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  5. # [00:02] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/e9c76968a95e - Edwin Flores - Bug 829408 - Force stagefright to return readable video frames on Gingerbread on the Galaxy SII r=doublec
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  36. # [00:39] <@roc> anyone know what impact Linux disk encryption has on performance, of say FF builds?
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  78. # [01:11] <NeilAway> how can I use a patch that applies with -F8 with mq?
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  83. # [01:14] <tbsaunde> NeilAway: why not just apply it to the tree with patch(1) and then qnew it?
  84. # [01:14] <tbsaunde> or are you asking something other than how do I qimport it?
  85. # [01:15] <NeilAway> tbsaunde: because I qimported it :s
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  87. # [01:16] <tbsaunde> NeilAway: well, couldn't you just use patch -F8 .hg/patches/whatever ?
  88. # [01:16] <NeilAway> tbsaunde: well, I stupidly qimported 8 patches, only to find that they need -F8 to apply
  89. # [01:17] <tbsaunde> NeilAway: ah
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  94. # [01:30] <reuben> NeilAway, maybe you can set patch = -F8 in [defaults] before pushing them?
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  96. # [01:33] <jesup|mac> roc: the W520 I got over a year ago had a 256GB SSD
  97. # [01:35] <jesup|mac> I thought the "standard" lenovo config nowadays with IT was an SSD
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  99. # [01:36] <jesup|mac> my mac doesn't have one (it was a second-hand macbook pro), and it shows, though it's fast enough.
  100. # [01:37] <jesup|mac> Sorry, confused: the desktop Dell was 256GB SSD, the lenovo was 512GB disk
  101. # [01:37] <jesup|mac> Sorry, was being distracted while I read backscroll
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  107. # [01:40] <jesup|mac> My W520's HD has been doing hourly-ish "beep" and head-recal seeks. Not Good..... Was looking at expensing an SSD to replace it as the primary before it fails on me (though SMART doesn't show anything, but I don't totally trust SMART having been a primary disk driver and FS person and helping qualify drives for large-scale poduction
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  110. # [01:45] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/3892ce628367 - Mark Hammond - Bug 833292 - prevent social initialization completing after window is unloaded. r=jaws
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  114. # [01:48] <Matti> jesup|mac: regarding SMART reliability you want to read http://storagemojo.com/2007/02/19/googles-disk-failure-experience/
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  116. # [01:49] <Matti> "They concluded that SMART data is almost useless for predicting the failure of a single drive."
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  118. # [01:50] <jesup|mac> Matti: Exactly. I've read that (and things like that).
  119. # [01:51] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/eef562ec97c8 - Ehsan Akhgari - Bug 832325 - Finish the initialization of nsSessionStartup correctly if permanent PB is turned on; r=ttaubert a=lsblakk
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  123. # [01:56] <jesup|mac> Matti: "Beep" and clear head-recals are a sign of something not happy. Not likely to be thermal as it's pretty steady-state when this happens. Probably a mis-seek.
  124. # [01:57] <Matti> jesup|mac: I had 2 drives in 10+ years that did this and they died a few weeks later
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  126. # [01:59] <NeilAway> reuben: well, I fiddled around with patch -R < .hg/patches/foo and patch -F8 < .hg/patches/foo and got something working, but thanks
  127. # [01:59] <reuben> cool :)
  128. # [02:00] <NeilAway> bah, I messed up the hg rebase, it says abort: cannot commit over an applied mq patch
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  131. # [02:01] * jesup|mac thinks about how HD's have changed since he worked on drivers, and a HOT drive could sustain 1MB/s and was 1GB (Maxtor prototype drives they lent me that I used to demonstrate streaming uncompressed video (HAM8 - see Hold-and-Modify on Wikipedia) directly from the drive on Amigas)
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  136. # [02:05] <jesup|mac> Matti: This has been periodic for months. I've been more proactive about backing up (though nowhere near enough, but I don't do dev there much), but have been too busy to actually replace the drive.
  137. # [02:06] <Matti> jesup|mac: maybe it's something else like emergeny anti shock parking
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  140. # [02:08] <jesup|mac> If so, it's confused as it does it sitting on a desk. And emergency parking would be faster, though maybe it did that, and follows it up with a recal once things seem ok. 256GB SSDs are circa $200ish now, so...
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  151. # [02:31] <@khuey> philor: ugh shouldn't have left :-/
  152. # [02:33] <Matti> jesup|mac: are you the randel jesup from Deathbed Vigil movie ?
  153. # [02:36] <@khuey> heh
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  155. # [02:37] <Matti> jesup|mac: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cI1F64RfcnQ#t=13m40
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  173. # [03:05] <jesup|mac> Matti: yeah
  174. # [03:06] <Matti> jesup|mac: cool !
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  180. # [03:08] <markh> khuey: do you happen to have a bug # for that "allow GC on multiple threads" work yet?
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  199. # [03:20] <@khuey> markh: no
  200. # [03:21] <markh> ok :) expect a ping once every couple of weeks from me ;)
  201. # [03:21] <@khuey> lol
  202. # [03:21] <@khuey> markh: what's your interest in it?
  203. # [03:22] <markh> mainly "websockets in workers", and the complexity of the patch without it is probably too much to bear!
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  205. # [03:24] <markh> khuey: so I just want to follow along and see how much it really would simplify things...
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  207. # [03:28] <jesup|mac> Matti: I don't look at all like that anymore :-) Oh, and a DVD version of it is finally available on Amazon.
  208. # [03:29] * jesup|mac didn't know this would be the result when he and Bryce Nesbitt decided a bankruptcy party would be a cool idea
  209. # [03:30] <Matti> the c64 started my interest in computers and lead to mozilla :-)
  210. # [03:31] <jesup|mac> markh: someone was just asking for PeerConnections in workers on discuss-webrtc... Not anytime soon, though honestly if it worked it would help fancier WebRTC apps
  211. # [03:32] <Matti> is your cube at mozilla in the same condition ? :-)
  212. # [03:33] <markh> jesup|mac: my interest is so we can move the "social" stuff to a real worker. There's some interest in using webrtc and the social stuff together, so this all dovetails nicely :)
  213. # [03:33] <markh> (we currently simulate a worker in the hidden window...)
  214. # [03:34] <derf> jesup|mac: What do you think PCs in Workers would actually help?
  215. # [03:35] <jesup> Matti: I work from home. And that was in mid-clear-out-my-office after 6 years as a packrat, and I was dumping stuff on the floor as I went through
  216. # [03:37] <Matti> i already thought that thie chaos was due to the last day, i would do the same
  217. # [03:37] <jesup> derf: Anything where the app wants to interact with the streams in realtime (have a say in how bits are allocated in congestion control, respond to muting, etc) Though anything involving UI is still gated on UI. Perhaps also some datachannel stuff. Haven't thought much about it; offhand comment mostly.
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  219. # [03:37] <derf> jesup: All the datachannel stuff is going to be serialized on the STS thread anyway.
  220. # [03:38] <jesup> yeah... When I first thought about this a Long TIme ago, I didn't realize that would be required. (and it's annoying) Though STS isn't the blocker that MainThread (and MainThread GC/CC) is
  221. # [03:39] <derf> Sure, I'm just saying that all of the important things are already done off-main-thread anyway.
  222. # [03:39] <jesup> I see GC pauses of 1/4-3/4 second, depending on machine, how long it's been running, etc :-(
  223. # [03:39] <derf> Where "important" == "expensive".
  224. # [03:40] * jesup knows it's his own fault, kinda, for being a tab hoarder
  225. # [03:40] <derf> What, you haven't fixed bug 669034 yet?
  226. # [03:40] <jesup> Yeah, but anything that touches JS means Ouch
  227. # [03:41] <jesup> derf: That's totally separate from the GC/CC issue! and that's actually not a huge pain anymore; we've made a lot of progress on that one
  228. # [03:41] <markh> you don't start out hoarding tabs - just one or 2, then they seem to multile all by themselves and next thing you know you are looking up "tab anonymous" groups in your local area. Its a scourge! Won't somebody just think of the children!
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  230. # [03:42] <jesup> 20MB main-thread IO's, with 100+MB allocations/JSON/etc were rather painful a year and half ago
  231. # [03:43] <jesup> markh: glandium has more than I do IIRC. I only have 950 (on my fastest machine)
  232. # [03:43] <jesup> afk
  233. # [03:43] <markh> wtf! You seriously need help ;)
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  239. # [03:47] <jesup|mac> Typically I have 50-100 loaded
  240. # [03:48] <jcranmer> firebot: uuid
  241. # [03:48] <firebot> 24adc746-b4a2-4b9d-9888-5a1559a8b080 (/msg firebot cid for CID form)
  242. # [03:48] <KaiRo> from what I'm told, FF is much better for tab hoarding than Chrome (as there's less per-tab overhead as long as we don't have a separate process for every tab)
  243. # [03:48] <jcranmer> don't worry about stealing that uuid, since it won't ever actually appear in a product version
  244. # [03:49] <jesup|mac> Far better. Though they make it hard to hoard by not supporting real tab-overflow last I hecked
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  246. # [03:49] <philor> heh, nice autocomplete, if you cc :dbaro while filing a bug, you get autocomplete that says "... (don't cc, use "
  247. # [03:49] * philor does neither instead
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  250. # [03:51] <@dbaron> cc: is ok for "things you believe I'd be interested in vaguely following when I read my bugmail folder thoroughly"
  251. # [03:52] <@dbaron> it's not so good for asking me a direct question that you want an answer to
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  261. # [04:03] <jwang> hi. i'm trying to build SeaMonkey by following the Simple SeaMonkey build. i'm encountering this error when using 'make': http://pastebin.com/WKATrswh could someone help me with this error? i have set up everything so far as written in the guide up to the make command
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  280. # [04:18] <njn> tn: holy shit
  281. # [04:19] <njn> bug 689623 just landed
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  283. # [04:19] <KWierso|Home> inorite
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  308. # [04:30] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/8bac7570f071 - Makoto Kato - Bug 774627 - Remove d2d pragma lib directives from MetroWidget. r=jimm
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  320. # [04:38] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/e6130d508d7d - Boris Zbarsky - Bug 844322. Make plug-in getters and setters JSPROP_SHARED so they don't get shadowed by expandos on the DOM nodes. r=jst
  321. # [04:41] <mjrosenb|unreliable> uh-oh, my arm-linux build looks like it just stopped working
  322. # [04:41] <mjrosenb|unreliable> this does not bode well
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  329. # [04:49] <jesup|mac> njn: bug 689623?!!! Cool.
  330. # [04:54] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/5f7a0300ac1f - Reuben Morais - Bug 844274 - Move contacts API getAll cache to child process. r=sicking
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  357. # [05:09] <firebot> edmorley was last seen 2 days, 10 hours, 59 minutes and 59 seconds ago, saying 'mbrubeck: ah I had not heard that quote before :-)' in #developers.
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  474. # [06:56] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/0fc2a36c23d8 - Kannan Vijayan - Bug 844253 - Change useNewType to be a flag on StackFrame instead of an explicitly passed argument. r=bhackett
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  482. # [07:08] <tn> njn, hopefully it sticks :)
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  496. # [07:37] <ewong> is https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=20056050&tree=Mozilla-Inbound a new bug(which I'll file) or is it bug 841150?
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  498. # [07:37] <ewong> err nvm..
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  500. # [07:39] <KWierso|Home> njn: ping?
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  505. # [07:40] <KWierso|Home> (your 'here' link in your blog post appears to be missing the ":")
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  509. # [07:46] <ewong> ah.. so that red on kvijayan's push needs a backout?
  510. # [07:46] <philor> I'm certainly leaning that way
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  515. # [07:51] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/96413f5e4533 - Phil Ringnalda - Back out 0fc2a36c23d8 (bug 844253) for bustage
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  519. # [07:55] <ewong> who do I ask for permission into treestatus.mozilla.org?
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  522. # [07:57] <ewong> and now that kvijayan's push was backed out.. we don't need to star any of the oranges on his push?
  523. # [08:01] <Optimize1> what does a warning message named "This is a harness error" mean ? (re: intermittent leak)
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  525. # [08:02] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/c94ed869af56 - Gina Yeh - Bug 844707 - Fix warnings in debug build, r=echou
  526. # [08:02] <philor> Optimize1: "nothing"
  527. # [08:03] <Optimize1> :/
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  529. # [08:03] <Optimize1> okay one more thing. Can a GC take away my event listener, or cause EventUtils to not synthesize a mouseout ?
  530. # [08:03] <Optimize1> (on Windows XP debug build)
  531. # [08:03] <philor> I've been meaning to ask aki what exactly it means, but it's just something that mozharness, the new way of running tests, sticks in for every error
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  543. # [08:16] <philor> oh, heh, it means "the line before this line contains the string 'TEST-UNEXPECTED'"
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  552. # [08:28] <ewong> would this be filed under Testing::General? https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=20056908&tree=Mozilla-Inbound
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  558. # [08:41] <@dbaron> ok, let's see if this patch sticks :-)
  559. # [08:41] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/d1490171893b - L. David Baron - Bug 404077: Add mochitest support (currently semi-disabled) for making tests fail when an unexpected number of assertions fire. r=ted
  560. # [08:41] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/fb5a9401e2d4 - L. David Baron - Bug 842476: Work around leak resulting from exception that happens during unload by propagating only the prompts we expect and not the later ones. r=jlebar
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  575. # [08:56] <Jesse> dbaron++
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  580. # [08:59] <@dbaron> Jesse, I'm still deep in XPConnect / JS trying to figure out why those exceptions weren't usefully reported in the first place
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  591. # [09:06] <@dbaron> so I think part of the problem is that the JS error reporting code is confused because the exception is a proxy for an exception
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  593. # [09:07] <Ms2ger> Bonjour
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  596. # [09:09] <@dbaron> Bon dia.
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  599. # [09:14] <Jesse> dbaron: aside from the leak, how far are we from assertions in mochitest counting as orange?
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  601. # [09:14] <@dbaron> Jesse, well, that leak shouldn't be a problem at this point
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  603. # [09:14] <@dbaron> Jesse, so the main obstacle, assuming the patch sticks, is going through all the tests and annotating expected assertions correctly
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  605. # [09:16] <Jesse> and/or downgrading assertions that fire in lots of tests, i hope
  606. # [09:16] <Jesse> dbaron: is that leak something that a normal web page can trigger?
  607. # [09:16] <@dbaron> Jesse, no, see comments towards end of bug
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  656. # [10:10] <Ms2ger> "Suppose beta is the number of bits in an unsigned integer word. Currently, beta = 32 on most machines, and beta = 60 or 64 on a few special machines."
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  658. # [10:10] <Ms2ger> Looks like this book is from '99 indeed
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  661. # [10:12] <ewong> gonna have to leave the rest of the 5 unstarred oranges to someone more knowledgeable..
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  671. # [10:26] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/7e5295f718b3 - Siddartha Pothapragada - Bug 840780 1/3 - New interfaces to access Secure element within UICC. r=mounir
  672. # [10:26] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/47298fca98be - Siddartha Pothapragada - Bug 840780 3/3 - B2G RIL: Add support to manage and access logical channels to UICC. r=vicamo
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  674. # [10:26] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/4b437ca4575b - Siddartha Pothapragada - Bug 840780 2/3 - DOM changes to IccManager to support Secure Access to the UICC. r=vicamo
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  681. # [10:34] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/6757e2f48c0a - Vicamo Yang - Bug 840780 (follow-up): fix nits. r=me
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  690. # [10:47] <Optimize1> Can GC on debug Windows XP build take away any event listeners ? or somehow cause EventUtils to not synthesize mouseout event ? (in a mochitest-bc test)
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  692. # [10:49] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/e81aef9e0d16 - Mike Hommey - Bug 832272 - Allow mostly parallel build of NSS. r=ted
  693. # [10:49] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/179a23a14368 - Mike Hommey - Bug 841011 - Use the parent directory of XRE_EXECUTABLE_FILE to find autoconf file. r=bsmedberg
  694. # [10:49] <Ms2ger> glandium, \o/
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  696. # [10:50] <glandium> Ms2ger: sadly, it's not so good on windows
  697. # [10:51] <Ms2ger> Fortunately for me, I don't care for windows ;)
  698. # [10:51] <Optimize1> Ms2ger--
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  700. # [10:51] <Ms2ger> :D
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  706. # [10:54] <Optimize1> Ms2ger: do not forget that your name starts with Microsoft
  707. # [10:54] <Optimize1> :P
  708. # [10:56] <glob> lol. told.
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  715. # [11:06] <Microsoft2ger> Optimize1: :)
  716. # [11:06] <@smaug> I don't think so. Microsoft is probably 2x older than Ms2ger
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  719. # [11:07] <Optimize1> smaug: how does that change anything ?
  720. # [11:11] <NeilAway> glandium: wow, you tried hard to avoid duplicating the libs, export and private_export code ;-)
  721. # [11:13] <glandium> NeilAway: because the nss build system is full of races
  722. # [11:15] <NeilAway> glandium: I was referring to $(foreach p,libs export private_export,$(addprefix $(p)-,$(NSS_DIRS))):
  723. # [11:15] <glandium> ah
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  731. # [11:21] <NeilAway> glandium: can you work around the pymake bug using $(foreach p,libs export private_export,$(addprefix $(p)-,$(NSS_DIRS))): $(p)-%
  732. # [11:21] <NeilAway> sorry, $(p)-%:
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  738. # [11:23] <glandium> NeilAway: $(p) is only good in the foreach
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  743. # [11:24] <NeilAway> glandium: yes, this would be in the foreach
  744. # [11:24] <NeilAway> glandium: $(foreach p,libs export private_export,$(addprefix $(p)-,$(NSS_DIRS))): $(p)-%:
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  746. # [11:25] <NeilAway> $(DEFAULT_GMAKE_ENV) $(MAKE) -C $(NSS_SRCDIR)/security/$* $(@:-$*=) $(DEFAULT_GMAKE_FLAGS)
  747. # [11:25] <NeilAway> glandium: oh, there are too many parentheses
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  749. # [11:26] <NeilAway> glandium: your foreach is writing out just the targets
  750. # [11:26] <glandium> that would require more fiddling, like using define/endef, and a $(call) in the foreach
  751. # [11:26] <NeilAway> glandium: I thought it was writing out the whole rule
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  753. # [11:28] <NeilAway> glandium: ok, so how about $(DEFAULT_GMAKE_ENV) $(MAKE) -C $(NSS_SRCDIR)/security/$(@:%-=) $(@:-%=) $(DEFAULT_GMAKE_FLAGS)
  754. # [11:29] <annevk> Does our networking code distinguish redirects that can be followed from those that cannot?
  755. # [11:29] <annevk> And then I mean in particular a missing Location header
  756. # [11:30] <glandium> NeilAway: iirc make does something fishy with % substitution when there are slashes involved
  757. # [11:30] <NeilAway> glandium: bah
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  763. # [11:38] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/cdc3588c8ce2 - Jonathan Kew - bug 700023 - enable graphite font shaping by default. r=jdaggett
  764. # [11:39] <Optimize1> awesome ^
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  766. # [11:40] <NeilAway> eek, Yoric is multilingual?
  767. # [11:41] <Ms2ger> Nah, he just speaks French
  768. # [11:41] <glandium> NeilAway: what kind of question is that?
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  774. # [11:44] <NeilAway> glandium: a bad one ;-)
  775. # [11:44] <Ms2ger> Clearly ;)
  776. # [11:44] <NeilAway> also, I now notice he's in #frenchmoz which should be a dead giveaway ;-)
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  781. # [11:47] <seif> hey guys
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  783. # [11:48] <seif> is it possible to install firefox os on a nexus 4
  784. # [11:48] <seif> ?
  785. # [11:48] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/b0e002cb8693 - Gina Yeh - Bug 844705 - Should send socket data in main thread, r=echou
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  789. # [11:49] <glandium> seif: i don't think the porting bits have been done yet, but you can check on #b2g, you'll find more knowledgeable people there
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  791. # [11:49] <glandium> seif: also check xda-developers forums, i know they are doing porting for some phones, too
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  862. # [13:11] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/1fe51bcd9a8a - Jim Mathies - Bug 844113 - Properly calculate offsets in context menu messages originating from sub frames. r=fryn
  863. # [13:11] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/369c128126d5 - Jim Mathies - Bug 844113 - Add tests. r=mbrubeck
  864. # [13:11] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/c766cfa31d1c - Jim Mathies - Bug 844113 - Cleanup work in ContextMenuHandler.js. r=fryn
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  868. # [13:16] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/944d5d9aff21 - Fernando Jiménez - Bug 809219 - [WebPayment] mozPay unit tests; r=fabrice
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  886. # [13:35] <glandium> wtf, the last thread of dev-builds is not on google groups
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  890. # [13:39] <@ted> google groups is horrible
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  896. # [13:42] <hub> ted: horrible is an understatement
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  900. # [13:43] <@ted> s'true
  901. # [13:43] <@ted> remember when it used to be Deja News and it was awesome?
  902. # [13:43] <hub> I remember usenet in slrn
  903. # [13:44] <@ted> i forget what i used to post to usenet with
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  905. # [13:45] <glob|away> ted, nn? "no news is good news"
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  909. # [13:46] <hub> ted: all I remember than whatever client(s) I was using at the time they were superior to whatever Google slap on it now
  910. # [13:46] <hub> and I was not forced to authenticate to *view*
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  912. # [13:47] <hub> (yes if your session has expired, Google force you in)
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  914. # [13:48] <gaston> do lots of ppl use bugzilla helper within TB ?
  915. # [13:48] <@ted> huh
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  917. # [13:49] <gaston> hub: i use another browser without google session to browse ggl groups, otherwise its too painful
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  920. # [13:50] <hub> gaston: proof that it suck
  921. # [13:50] <gaston> gmane is not so bad for reading/browsing
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  924. # [13:52] <MrDHat> What are the pre requisites for contributing code to Open Badges?
  925. # [13:52] <@ted> interesting, my updates are broken on windows
  926. # [13:52] <@ted> in the error console i have "TypeError: gAppUpdater is undefined"
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  961. # [14:15] <decoder> okay who broke central
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  964. # [14:17] <Ms2ger> Wasn't me
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  967. # [14:19] <sheppy> I know for sure it wasn't me. :)
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  971. # [14:20] <decoder> nmatsakis: ping
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  973. # [14:21] <decoder> ah
  974. # [14:22] <decoder> Ms2ger:
  975. # [14:22] <Ms2ger> sheppy, surprise, it was actually you
  976. # [14:22] <decoder> the last inbound rev in https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=843684 fixes the bustage on central
  977. # [14:22] <decoder> it seems
  978. # [14:22] <decoder> can we merge that?
  979. # [14:23] <sheppy> Ms2ger: oops, well, I'm sure central deserved it.
  980. # [14:23] <RyanVM> decoder: the last rev that hasn't been built yet?
  981. # [14:23] <decoder> RyanVM: yea
  982. # [14:24] <RyanVM> it's usually preferable to make sure it builds and passes tests first :)
  983. # [14:24] <decoder> RyanVM: okay. but right now central doesnt build
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  985. # [14:24] <decoder> well, non-ts builds dont build
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  987. # [14:24] <decoder> ts builds work
  988. # [14:24] <Ms2ger> If someone feels like watching m-c, they can cherrypick that changeset ;)
  989. # [14:24] <RyanVM> Werrors?
  990. # [14:25] <Ms2ger> No, shell builds
  991. # [14:25] <decoder> shell builds without threadsafe are broken by that bug
  992. # [14:25] <Ms2ger> Which is a configuration we don't test in automation
  993. # [14:25] <RyanVM> ah
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  996. # [14:25] <RyanVM> decoder: I'd just apply that patch locally for the next few hours
  997. # [14:25] <decoder> RyanVM: doesnt work
  998. # [14:25] <decoder> we use this in automation
  999. # [14:25] <RyanVM> ?
  1000. # [14:26] <Ms2ger> Turn off fuzzing for the next few hours? :)
  1001. # [14:26] <decoder> yea. need to turn off all the fuzzing
  1002. # [14:26] <decoder> we dont have a single machine anymore doing this, but a whole set of automated machines
  1003. # [14:26] <RyanVM> you can't apply a patch locally for fuzzing?
  1004. # [14:26] <decoder> we cant just apply a patch manually
  1005. # [14:26] <decoder> no
  1006. # [14:26] <RyanVM> yikes
  1007. # [14:26] <RyanVM> that's....unfortunate
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  1010. # [14:27] <RyanVM> decoder: cherry-picking it over to m-c now
  1011. # [14:28] <decoder> RyanVM: thanks! =)
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  1013. # [14:28] <RyanVM> but going to at least wait to push until *something* shows a green build
  1014. # [14:28] <decoder> sure =)
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  1021. # [14:35] <MrDHat> I was going through Playdoh, the Mozilla Web framework
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  1023. # [14:36] <MrDHat> Do i need to know django before i start using it?
  1024. # [14:36] <@ted> playdoh is built on top of django, AIUI
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  1026. # [14:38] <MrDHat> ted: Does the documentation start from scratch or requires Django knowledge?
  1027. # [14:38] <@ted> i don't know
  1028. # [14:38] <@ted> you'd probably do better asking #webdev
  1029. # [14:39] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/a0a2f97ef16c - Nicholas D. Matsakis - Bug 843684 - Patch up include to avoid compilation warnings when JS_THREADSAFE is not defined r=njn
  1030. # [14:39] <RyanVM> decoder ^
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  1032. # [14:39] <RyanVM> decoder: btw, cool stuff w/ TSan
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  1034. # [14:40] * RyanVM hopes maybe some of those races are contributing to our test flakiness
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  1036. # [14:40] <@ted> decoder: kind of sucks that we don't produce the same type of build on tbpl that you rely on for fuzzing
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  1040. # [14:41] <decoder> ted: true, yes. i think many people also use non-ts builds for development
  1041. # [14:41] <decoder> RyanVM: thanks :) also cdiehl's work of course :) we're trying to get it working but there's a lot of initial effort required to shake out existing bugs
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  1043. # [14:42] <ewong> padenot: ping
  1044. # [14:42] <padenot> ewong: pong
  1045. # [14:42] <@ted> TSan?
  1046. # [14:42] <@ted> how many sanitizers are there
  1047. # [14:42] <RyanVM> decoder: i also have hopes that some of dbaron's recent work might help
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  1049. # [14:43] <decoder> RyanVM: which work?
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  1051. # [14:43] <ewong> padenot re: error "LNK2001: unresolved external symbol vpx_codec_vp8_cx ", what was the solution you mentioned before?
  1052. # [14:43] <decoder> ted: tsan is thread sanitizer. it detects thread data races
  1053. # [14:43] <@ted> ah, like helgrind
  1054. # [14:43] <decoder> ted: not exactly
  1055. # [14:43] <RyanVM> decoder: bug 842476
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  1058. # [14:43] <decoder> ted: it aims to detect the same bugs, but without the false positives
  1059. # [14:44] <@ted> gotcha
  1060. # [14:44] <decoder> ted: it knows about the builtin compiler primitives for atomic operations etc. as long as we're using that + pthreads, it's fine
  1061. # [14:44] <padenot> ewong: add it to "layout/media/symbols.def.in", I believe
  1062. # [14:44] <@ted> decoder: interesting
  1063. # [14:44] <decoder> if you start using asm stuff though, it wont work anymore
  1064. # [14:44] <padenot> ewong: can't remember if it worked, though
  1065. # [14:44] <ewong> padenot why isn't ff broken?
  1066. # [14:45] <padenot> because we all have different configurations :-)
  1067. # [14:45] <decoder> RyanVM: sounds good :)
  1068. # [14:45] <RyanVM> decoder: yeah, I'm hopeful anyway :)
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  1070. # [14:46] <decoder> ted: we still get a lot of "benign" races now. they might not be harmful, but still true races
  1071. # [14:46] <decoder> and we have to look at every single one of course
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  1075. # [14:50] <@ted> yeah
  1076. # [14:50] <@ted> i know sewardj has filed a bunch of bugs on stuff he's seen with helgrind
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  1080. # [14:51] <decoder> ted: yea. not sure though if all of those are relevant, because they could be false positives
  1081. # [14:51] <decoder> we cced sewardj on all of the tsan bugs though
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  1085. # [14:52] <jfkthame> anyone know if i can get tryserver to run reftests on ubuntu, like the cedar branch does? or would i need to actually land a patch on cedar to see them?
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  1089. # [14:55] <stevensn> I have a patch that was added to bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=814693 that has been reviewed + but I'm not sure how to get it checked in, the bug has already been resolved and I don't seem to be able to edit the keywords on that bug
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  1091. # [14:56] <Ms2ger> stevensn, I set the checkin flag
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  1094. # [14:58] <stevensn> Ms2ger: Thanks
  1095. # [14:58] <Ms2ger> Np
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  1098. # [14:59] <gaston> stevensn: what patches are pending on that particular bug ?
  1099. # [15:00] <gaston> the last attachment ?
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  1101. # [15:00] <stevensn> gaston: yes 698508
  1102. # [15:00] <gaston> zomg webrtc on ppc
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  1105. # [15:01] <gaston> let me push it :)
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  1110. # [15:02] <stevensn> webrtc compiled fine at the time, with that patch on more recent builds I get a linking error in the webrtc unit tests that I'll have to open a new bug for (if I work around that one it compiles again)
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  1114. # [15:05] <firebot> Check-in:
  1115. # [15:05] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/196d06d151a9 - Mohit Gahlot - Bug 823939 - <mmultiscripts> now doesnt consider base followed by only <mprescripts> and no (presubscript presuperscript) pair as invalid-markup. r=fredw, r=Pike
  1116. # [15:05] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/57b34be82096 - Alex Xu - Bug 840834 - Fix compiler warning. r=jesup
  1117. # [15:05] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/910837eec45a - David Rajchenbach-Teller - Bug 828223 - Write nsSearchService cache with OS.File + nsSearchService cache tests. r=gavin
  1118. # [15:05] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/35d80dce901a - David Rajchenbach-Teller - Bug 843479 - More logging for test_init_async_multiple_then_sync.js.
  1119. # [15:06] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/df3c51f6c752 - David Rajchenbach-Teller - Bug 840436 - OS.File.writeAtomic without flush doesn't rename anymore. r=froydnj
  1120. # [15:06] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/f7b1ac19bfac - Cykesiopka - Bug 326317 - Fix issues with comments in nsTSubstring.h. r=dbaron
  1121. # [15:06] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/0470103ac4a8 - Andrew Quartey - Bug 715767 - Make LayerManagerD3D10::ReportFailure threadsafe. r=joe
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  1123. # [15:06] <nmatsakis> decoder: pong
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  1126. # [15:08] <decoder> nmatsakis: nevermind, already sorted. i had build problems due to your patch
  1127. # [15:08] <nmatsakis> Yeah, I see that, I apologize.
  1128. # [15:09] <nmatsakis> I guess that the try server doesn't test any builds without JS_THREADSAFE enabled.
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  1130. # [15:09] <nmatsakis> (or else I overlooked an error)
  1131. # [15:10] <nmatsakis> either way, hopefully all straightened out now.
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  1133. # [15:10] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/efd019bee0ff - Steve Singer - Bug 814693 Followup - fix/enable webrtc on ppc. r=ted,jesup
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  1135. # [15:11] <evilpie> Ms2ger: how do i find the code which implements new File or new Blob?
  1136. # [15:12] <Ms2ger> That's the Initialize function
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  1140. # [15:13] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/54f36ac812fd - Eddy Bruel - Bug 757188 - Implement Script.getAllColumnOffsets; r=jorendorff
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  1144. # [15:15] <evilpie> https://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/content/base/src/nsDOMBlobBuilder.cpp#146 this?
  1145. # [15:15] <evilpie> i assume nsDOMMultipartFile::InitFile is somehow important as well
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  1147. # [15:16] * Ms2ger looks
  1148. # [15:16] <Ms2ger> https://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/content/base/src/nsDOMBlobBuilder.cpp#169
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  1150. # [15:17] <Ms2ger> So, new Blob/File calls nsDOMMultipartFile::NewBlob/NewFile and then Initialize on the returned object.
  1151. # [15:17] <evilpie> looks like the constructor for File is like new File(String|nsIFile, {name:name, type:type})
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  1216. # [16:01] <annevk> Pike: encoding standard is based on what browsers do with encodings
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  1222. # [16:05] * NeilAway wonders whether jimm or bbondy have any ideas as to how to debug the crash he's getting in bug 658829
  1223. # [16:05] <sewardj> cdiehl: ping
  1224. # [16:05] <cdiehl> sewardj: pong
  1225. # [16:05] <bbondy> looking
  1226. # [16:05] <sewardj> cdiehl: the races you filed .. this is done on Fx with some markup for TSan ?
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  1228. # [16:06] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/8bd5d8525ace - Gene Lian - Bug 839436 - B2G MMS: make DB be able to save MMS messages. r=vicamo
  1229. # [16:06] <cdiehl> sewardj: we are testing right now with TSanV2 and to launch Fx without startup races
  1230. # [16:07] <bbondy> NeilAway: you can reproduce consistently?
  1231. # [16:07] <sewardj> cdiehl: uh, that's not what I asked
  1232. # [16:07] <sewardj> cdiehl: are you using annotations for Fx ?
  1233. # [16:07] <cdiehl> sewardj: no, not yet
  1234. # [16:08] <sewardj> cdiehl: how do you avoid getting lots of false positives for threadsafe refcounting?
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  1239. # [16:09] <cdiehl> sewardj: at the moment we don't
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  1241. # [16:09] <cdiehl> we file as is and let developers decide
  1242. # [16:10] <@ted> ick, i tried the stub installer for the first time
  1243. # [16:10] <@ted> and it apparently failed downloading and gave me a crappy error message
  1244. # [16:10] <sewardj> cdiehl: I am concerned .. IME without marked up Fx, 90% of what you get from these race detectors is noise
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  1247. # [16:11] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/e9e4dab21e79 - Henri Sivonen - Bug 844792 - Warn about the upcoming removal of multipart support in XHR. r=smaug.
  1248. # [16:11] <decoder> sewardj: thats not true
  1249. # [16:11] <decoder> sewardj: tsan v2 works entirely different than helgrind or other runtime race detectors
  1250. # [16:12] <firebot> Check-in:
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  1252. # [16:12] <sewardj> decoder: oh. is there a description somewhere?
  1253. # [16:12] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/1c8ec52deaf4 - Marco Chen - Bug 836655 - [Audio] To remove ChildID if there is no content channel playing in foreground. And only send audio-channel-changed with normal when ChildID in the background
  1254. # [16:12] <firebot> has content channel in playing state. r=baku
  1255. # [16:12] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/ec88008d4498 - Marco Chen - Bug 836655 - Modify unit test for adapting change in this bug. r=baku
  1256. # [16:12] <decoder> sewardj: yea. hold on. but not all the details are in there, I had to ask the developers directly regarding false positives etc
  1257. # [16:12] <decoder> sewardj: ill get you some info one sec
  1258. # [16:13] <NeilAway> bbondy: yeah, I just have to load jimm's undetermined progressmeter test page
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  1260. # [16:14] <cdiehl> decoder, sewardj: the algorithm used by TSanV2 is described here: http://code.google.com/p/thread-sanitizer/wiki/Algorithm
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  1266. # [16:15] <decoder> sewardj:
  1267. # [16:15] <decoder> 15:17 < kcc> decoder: helgrind and the old valgrind-based tsan need tons of annotations, indeed
  1268. # [16:15] <decoder> 15:18 < kcc> decoder: but the new tsan does not, because it natively understand atomics, if they are written using compiler builtins (e.g. __sync_blah)
  1269. # [16:15] <decoder> 15:19 < kcc> decoder: if the code uses inline asm to implement atomics -- no luck here either
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  1273. # [16:16] <decoder> according to kcc, the bugs that we see should all be correctly reported races, although some might still be benign (though most of them should still be fixed)
  1274. # [16:16] <sewardj> decoder: ah, that's interesting. So you're using a compile-time version of TSan, not a jit-based one?
  1275. # [16:16] <decoder> sewardj: exactly
  1276. # [16:17] <sewardj> decoder: maybe ask kcc if it is correct even in the case for destructors in threadsafe refcounting?
  1277. # [16:17] <decoder> sewardj: I can do that, but it's usually hard to catch him on IRC. you can ask this on the threadsanitizer google group, or I can do it for you of course
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  1281. # [16:19] <decoder> sewardj: https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!forum/thread-sanitizer
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  1291. # [16:25] <bbondy> NeilAway I'm not sure without loading it into a debugger myself, maybe just ask Jim to take a look again. Looks like maybe you need to disable hardware acceleration or force fail dx10 and dx10.1 and use dx9.3 so cairo is used
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  1293. # [16:27] <NeilAway> bbondy: hardware acceleration? over rdp? I doubt it ;-)
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  1295. # [16:28] <bbondy> maybe it always uses cairo for that code not sure
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  1325. # [16:47] <Callek> timeless: ping
  1326. # [16:47] <timeless> pong
  1327. # [16:48] <timeless> Callek: you going to add pinned rev for smaug ?
  1328. # [16:48] <Callek> timeless: I've been asked to help drive a small cluster of IT bugs, can you respond to Bug 829286
  1329. # [16:48] <Callek> (I'm poking in IRC due to your prior to me "I miss bugmail")
  1330. # [16:49] <timeless> i still use it
  1331. # [16:49] <timeless> in fact, i used it on Friday or so
  1332. # [16:49] <Callek> timeless: yea, coord with gcox about that then
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  1334. # [16:49] <Callek> timeless: (in bug preferred for tracking)
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  1340. # [16:51] <timeless> Callek: if it goes down for an hour or whatever, no big deal -- i.e. they can just move it
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  1342. # [16:52] <Callek> timeless: -->bug :-P
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  1348. # [16:54] <timeless> grr. this isn't my day job, i really shouldn't spend work hours on it
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  1350. # [16:56] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/f7b54c3d6937 - Jonathan Kew - bug 844454 - don't try to get a Unicode decoder for an empty charset name. r=hsivonen
  1351. # [16:56] <Callek> timeless: well you told me to poke you in IRC when bugmail-needs were not noticed
  1352. # [16:56] <Callek> but thanks
  1353. # [16:56] <timeless> yep, appreciated
  1354. # [16:57] <timeless> you can poke during any hour
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  1356. # [16:57] <timeless> but i shouldn't be forced to spend hours in bugzilla
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  1444. # [17:34] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/77a94dc888c9 - Jim Chen - Bug 831144 - Properly pass meta states to Gecko; r=cpeterson
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  1461. # [17:43] <tzimmermann> gsvelto: ping
  1462. # [17:44] <gsvelto> tzimmermann: hey
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  1465. # [17:44] <tzimmermann> gsvelto: hi! I just had a look at the list of your topics for the workshop. how much time do you plan to spend on it?
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  1467. # [17:45] <gsvelto> tzimmermann: One hour should do for the combined topics & practical session
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  1469. # [17:45] <gsvelto> tzimmermann: I think we have two hours in total right?
  1470. # [17:45] <tzimmermann> gsvelto: what?
  1471. # [17:46] <gsvelto> tzimmermann: I mean for the presentation
  1472. # [17:46] <tzimmermann> gsvelto: hmm, ok. i'll keep this in mind.
  1473. # [17:46] <tzimmermann> seems quite short to me
  1474. # [17:47] <gsvelto> tzimmermann: I'm not sure, let's ask David
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  1478. # [17:48] <gustavold> I was unsure which component to use on bug 844883, so I just put 'General'. I would appreciate if someone could have a look and move it to a more appropriate component
  1479. # [17:48] <tzimmermann> gsvelto: can't find him on irc. i think he once said 'as much as we want'
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  1481. # [17:48] <tzimmermann> gsvelto: but there's got to be an upper limit
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  1483. # [17:50] <tzimmermann> gsvelto: i'll probably need 90min at least
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  1492. # [17:52] <gsvelto> tzimmermann: I seem to remember we should have ~2 hours for the presentation and the rest of the afternoon for the practical session. If that's the case we can make the presentation longer. Let's shoot him an e-mail so that we can be sure.
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  1495. # [17:53] <tzimmermann> tzimmermann: shall i do this?
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  1497. # [17:53] <tzimmermann> gsvelto:^
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  1501. # [17:56] <kk1fff> hi, can I use certoverride service in content process?
  1502. # [17:57] <bjacob> KaiRo: Bas: joe: akeybl: huge spike of crashes on win8 http://people.mozilla.org/~bjacob/gfx_features_stats/#os-market-share - already known?
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  1505. # [17:58] <@ted> bjacob: are you just scraping os version info out of crash-stats?
  1506. # [17:58] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/72293b033da5 - Boris Zbarsky - Bug 842561 - Assert that our inheritance chain is correct for WebIDL objects. r=peterv, a=lsblakk
  1507. # [17:58] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/d548d3afbaf5 - Brian Hackett - Bug 842305 - Don't try to cleanup values in global frames and watch for null payloads flowing into Ion. r=jandem, a=lsblakk
  1508. # [17:58] <@ted> bjacob: there are some really bad crashes that we think are ATI driver bugs
  1509. # [17:58] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/43474580e1da - Robert O'Callahan - Bug 820379 - Handle failure to create a snapshot surface in GetImageDataArray. r=mattwoodrow, a=lsblakk
  1510. # [17:58] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/4e196e32e74d - Kyle Huey - Bug 816498 - Fix some things about background attribute handling that are still broken. r=bz, a=lsblakk
  1511. # [17:58] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/ddf5c3507df4 - Brian Nicholson - Bug 829927 - Don't read favicon URL if it's null. r=mfinkle, a=lsblakk
  1512. # [17:58] <Bas> ted: This is an -extremely- sudden spike though.
  1513. # [17:58] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/b7949f0b7acb - Sriram Ramasubramanian - Bug 843827 - Makefile entry missing on MDPI phone. r=mfinkle, a=lsblakk
  1514. # [17:59] <@ted> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=830531 for example
  1515. # [17:59] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/aeea02f63cb2 - Andrew McCreight - Bug 784730 - Crash in ReparentWrapperIfFound if wrapper already in scope. r=bholley, a=lsblakk
  1516. # [17:59] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/98579b64434a - Bobby Holley - Bug 803870 - Compare the subject with the outer window for History. r=bz, a=lsblakk
  1517. # [17:59] <@ted> Bas: sure, could be a new driver version or just 18.0.2
  1518. # [17:59] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/8bac505d0a83 - Felipe Gomes - Bug 824651 - Tab bar height is doubled on Win8 devices with touchscreens. r=dao, a=lsblakk
  1519. # [17:59] <@ted> does it correlate with 18.0.2?
  1520. # [17:59] <Bas> ted: People don't update that suddenly I don't think.
  1521. # [18:00] <@ted> i don't actually know, but i'm sure we have that data
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  1525. # [18:02] <@ted> Bas: in any event, that bug i linked is one huge known win8 crasher
  1526. # [18:02] <akeybl> bjacob: bug 830531
  1527. # [18:02] <akeybl> ?
  1528. # [18:02] <@ted> (but you're both already CCed there)
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  1531. # [18:04] <KaiRo> bjacob: well-known unfortunately
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  1535. # [18:05] <KaiRo> bjacob: bug 830531
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  1543. # [18:11] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/77269eb211df - Adam Roach [:abr] - Bug 843595 - Null checks on pair dtor r=ekr
  1544. # [18:11] <mccr8> RyanVM: thanks for landing my patch on beta!
  1545. # [18:11] <RyanVM> mccr8: np!
  1546. # [18:12] <RyanVM> mcrr8: waiting ot mark the bug until I do the b2g18 landing (in my queue atm)
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  1548. # [18:13] <gsvelto> tzimmermann: yes, please do and CC me (sorry for the delay)
  1549. # [18:13] <@khuey> RyanVM++
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  1552. # [18:14] <tzimmermann> gsvelto: done
  1553. # [18:14] <gsvelto> tzimmermann: thanks
  1554. # [18:14] <jdm> RyanVM: red on beta
  1555. # [18:14] <jdm> I suspect boris' patch
  1556. # [18:14] <RyanVM> jdm: heh, hadn't even refreshed for me yet
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  1559. # [18:17] <bholley> RyanVM++
  1560. # [18:17] <gsvelto> tzimmermann: Just saw his reply, looking good!
  1561. # [18:18] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/771f5f0cfce6 - Ryan VanderMeulen - Backed out changeset 72293b033da5 (bug 842561) for bustage. a=backout
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  1563. # [18:18] <tzimmermann> gsvelto: ah, nice
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  1566. # [18:19] <gsvelto> tzimmermann: I think we'll basically have the entire afternoon, we just have to avoid tiring our attendance too much :)
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  1569. # [18:20] <NeilAway> eek! static contructor!
  1570. # [18:20] <tzimmermann> gsvelto: :D
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  1573. # [18:20] <tzimmermann> gsvelto: we haven't even started and I already got the first reponses about being to low-level focused ;)
  1574. # [18:21] <gsvelto> tzimmermann: Don't worry, I think that people should understand what's going on also on the level "below" them to have a complete picture of a workload's performance profile
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  1595. # [18:33] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/373699ce4c96 - Ryan VanderMeulen - Backed out changesets 77a94dc888c9 and 3f6e6912e71a (bug 831144) for Android mochitest failures on a CLOSED TREE.
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  1599. # [18:34] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/10d6868530d7 - Kyle Huey - Bug 784812: Implement real dependencies for WebIDL bindings. r=bz,ted
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  1604. # [18:37] <annevk> smaug: yo yo
  1605. # [18:37] <annevk> smaug: so in network land for XHR, once we switch to HEADERS_RECEIVED, we must pretty much switch to LOADING stright away I suppose?
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  1618. # [18:41] <@bz> ryanvm: ping
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  1620. # [18:42] <RyanVM> bz: pong
  1621. # [18:42] <@bz> ryanvm: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=842561#c17
  1622. # [18:43] <@bz> ryanvm: should I push that stuff, or are you going to after pushing the other bug to aurora?
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  1624. # [18:43] <RyanVM> argh, sorry :(
  1625. # [18:43] <RyanVM> i'll take care of it
  1626. # [18:43] <RyanVM> I had gone through beta uplifts but hadn't gotten through all of the aurora ones
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  1632. # [18:45] <NeilAway> bz: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=839944#c3 is weird, but I haven't had a chance to poke around in a debugger yet
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  1634. # [18:46] <@bz> RyanVM: ah, ok. Yeah, on beta it can just get pushed.
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  1636. # [18:46] <@bz> neilaway: seems par for the course for that code. :(
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  1640. # [18:49] <NeilAway> bz: well, the thing that weirds me most is that " Waffle Houst " is a substring of the text node
  1641. # [18:49] <NeilAway> *House
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  1649. # [18:55] <@smaug> annevk: uh, sorry, my mind is in speech API still few minutes
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  1671. # [19:04] <mounir> bajaj: pong
  1672. # [19:05] <bajaj> mounir: can you please give your input on https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=841882#c15
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  1674. # [19:05] <mounir> bajaj: I will do that backout
  1675. # [19:05] <bajaj> mounir: not sure if the bug needs to be tracked, if we go ahead with the backout here
  1676. # [19:06] <mounir> bajaj: I have to find time :(
  1677. # [19:06] <bajaj> mounir: :)
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  1720. # [19:33] <tbsaunde> glandium: ping
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  1723. # [19:35] <glandium> tbsaunde: pong
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  1741. # [19:40] <@bz> jcranmer: ack
  1742. # [19:41] <jcranmer> bz: so, how invasive are quirks mode changes?
  1743. # [19:41] <tbsaunde> glandium: so, I'm trying to cross compile to linux 32 from debian 64, does this mean I'm insane already and should install a chroot?
  1744. # [19:41] <jcranmer> and how hard would a <style scoped> @-moz-enable-quirks; </style> be?
  1745. # [19:41] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/f66f6db7f212 - Bobby Holley - Bug 843711 - Fix up new |Components| culprits in test suite. r=mccr8
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  1747. # [19:41] <Waldo> tbsaunde: I think that's supposed to be relatively easy
  1748. # [19:41] <glandium> tbsaunde: i think that's not really well supported
  1749. # [19:41] <tbsaunde> Waldo: that's a nice theory
  1750. # [19:41] <@bz> jcranmer: what do you mean by changes?
  1751. # [19:42] <glandium> tbsaunde: you'd probably waste less time debootstrapping a chroot
  1752. # [19:42] <jcranmer> bz: differences from standards mode
  1753. # [19:42] <@bz> jcranmer: Having an at-rule that sends a CSS parser into quirks mode after that point is probably possinle
  1754. # [19:42] <Waldo> tbsaunde: certainly it hasn't been too bad compiling a 32-bit JS shell from 64-bit for me
  1755. # [19:42] <@bz> jcranmer: various
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  1757. # [19:42] <Waldo> tbsaunde: fun part might be installing all the 32-bit libs you need, but I dunno how debian handles that
  1758. # [19:42] <tbsaunde> glandium: if not I'm passing --target=i386-linux-gnu but configure is still finding the x86_64 include paths for some things like gtk
  1759. # [19:42] <jcranmer> in other words, is it feasible to enable quirks mode only for a subtree of the DOM?
  1760. # [19:42] <@bz> no
  1761. # [19:42] <glandium> tbsaunde: yeah, you need to set a variable for pkgconfig
  1762. # [19:43] <glandium> tbsaunde: and probably other things blow too
  1763. # [19:43] <@bz> but you can enable it for the parsing of particular css bits
  1764. # [19:43] <@bz> that won't affect rendering-only quirks, of course
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  1766. # [19:43] <glandium> tbsaunde: really, less hair pulled with a chroot
  1767. # [19:43] <tbsaunde> glandium: yeah, ok
  1768. # [19:43] <@bz> Or HTML parser quirks, for that matter.
  1769. # [19:43] * tbsaunde sighs
  1770. # [19:43] <jcranmer> how much of the quirks aren't controlled by quirks.css?
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  1777. # [19:46] <@bz> jcranmer: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/search?string=GetCompatibilityMode
  1778. # [19:47] <@bz> jcranmer: and http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/ident?i=CompatibilityMode&tree=mozilla-central&filter=&strict=1
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  1780. # [19:48] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/75ffb31383a7 - William Chen - Bug 837352 - Don't generate dictionary code in WebIDL unless used in generated code. r=bz
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  1792. # [19:51] <annevk> jcranmer: see also http://quirks.spec.whatwg.org/
  1793. # [19:51] <annevk> jcranmer: but please don't grow the list or make it more complicated :-)
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  1795. # [19:52] <jcranmer> http://dxr.mozilla.org/search?tree=mozilla-central&q=%2Bfunction-ref%3A%22nsPresContext%3A%3ACompatibilityMode%28%29%20const%22
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  1798. # [19:52] <jcranmer> so... very difficult to do quirks subtrees
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  1801. # [19:53] <jcranmer> and here I was thinking that most of them were those listed in quirks.css
  1802. # [19:53] <@bz> jcranmer: the ones that can be expressed in CSS (which is in fact most of them, iirc) are
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  1806. # [19:54] <jcranmer> so, in theory, I could pull in several of them just by <style scoped>@import quirks.css</style>
  1807. # [19:54] <jcranmer> but the table layout is probably on important quirk
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  1812. # [19:58] <annevk> oh, MDN?
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  1814. # [19:59] <jcranmer> bz: hmm, isn't it theoretically possible to make the table layout be a -moz-quirky-table CSS layout?
  1815. # [19:59] <annevk> MDN should say: "Use <!doctype html> please! #kthxbai"
  1816. # [19:59] <jcranmer> annevk: I'm messing with emails
  1817. # [19:59] <annevk> oh right
  1818. # [19:59] <jcranmer> annevk: <!doctype html> might not be very usable there...
  1819. # [20:00] * jcranmer needs to just suck it up and check various email clients to see how they do quirks mode
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  1823. # [20:04] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/a2dbc433130f - Jonathan Griffin - Bug 831367 - Simplify SpecialPowersAPI.bindDOMWindowUtils(), r=ted
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  1843. # [20:13] <MrDHat> Is there something like branches in hg as there are in git?
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  1845. # [20:14] <Archaeopteryx> are you looking for mercurial queues?
  1846. # [20:15] <mbrubeck> MrDHat: What hg calls "branches" are pretty different from git's in practice; there are some extensions that add "lightweight" git-like branches or bookmarks
  1847. # [20:15] <Mossop> MrDHat: Hg has branches, though they aren't quite like git. It also has a feature called bookmarks which is closer
  1848. # [20:15] <mbrubeck> http://mercurial.selenic.com/wiki/Bookmarks
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  1850. # [20:16] <mbrubeck> But Mozilla developers at least use the "mq" extension more, for many of the use cases of git branches.
  1851. # [20:16] <MrDHat> So bookmarks work in the same way as branches in git?
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  1853. # [20:16] <Ms2ger> "The same way" is a dangerous assumption :)
  1854. # [20:16] <Mossop> They are very similar, still not quite the same
  1855. # [20:16] <MrDHat> Ah, ok
  1856. # [20:16] <Ms2ger> Most likely, they'll at least have much superior UX
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  1858. # [20:17] <MrDHat> So if i am looking to submit a patch for mozilla-central, how do i do it?
  1859. # [20:17] <Mossop> Most people use mercurial queues to create their patch rather than branches or anything else
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  1861. # [20:18] <jgilbert> you submit a patch to the relevant bug
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  1863. # [20:18] <Ms2ger> We don't really care how you create your patches
  1864. # [20:18] <Ms2ger> As long as they look like diff -pU8 would
  1865. # [20:19] <MrDHat> https://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/Mercurial_Queues says queues are destructive!
  1866. # [20:19] <MrDHat> As i am new to hg, so wouldn't like to take that risk :)
  1867. # [20:19] <Waldo> hi annevk!
  1868. # [20:19] <Ms2ger> Not particularly
  1869. # [20:19] <tbsaunde> MrDHat: in the same way rebase is except you do it more, and have no reflog
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  1871. # [20:19] <Ms2ger> You can lose data, but I lose a lot more data with git
  1872. # [20:19] <Mossop> https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Mercurial_FAQ#How_can_I_generate_a_patch_for_somebody_else_to_check-in_for_me.3F has some info
  1873. # [20:19] <annevk> Waldo: ta
  1874. # [20:19] <Waldo> and you look sort of vaguely almost like mrbkap if I squint slightly :-)
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  1876. # [20:19] <annevk> heh
  1877. # [20:20] <tbsaunde> Ms2ger: I think that has more to do with you being bad at git :p
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  1880. # [20:20] <Ms2ger> tbsaunde, I like to think of it as git having terrible UX :)
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  1883. # [20:21] <Mossop> MrDHat: queues are only destructive to your own work, don't think you can mess up the repo with it
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  1885. # [20:21] <bsmedberg> unless there's a bug ;-)
  1886. # [20:21] <Ms2ger> Mossop, unlike rebase ;)
  1887. # [20:22] <MrDHat> nvm i'll use Mossop 's link, that looks safer ;)
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  1890. # [20:22] <Mossop> (my link uses mercurial queues)
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  1892. # [20:22] <MrDHat> lol ok
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  1894. # [20:22] <MrDHat> I'll give it a try, thanks :)
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  1904. # [20:27] <gkw> nice! Sony joins in the Firefox OS bandwagon too: http://thenextweb.com/mobile/2013/02/25/sony-jumps-on-the-mozilla-bandwagon-will-bring-launch-firefox-os/
  1905. # [20:28] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/378b38064043 - Anton Kovalyov - Bug 842650 - Disable Profiler Preference in Firefox 20, r=robcee, a=lsblakk
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  1910. # [20:29] <fox2mike> akeybl: ping
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  1917. # [20:32] <MrDHat> Do i need to create the hgrc file, the first time i use hg?
  1918. # [20:32] <@gavin> you should set up your ~/.hgrc, yeah
  1919. # [20:32] <@gavin> none of it is striclty necessary, but for Mozilla stuff you want to at least add a username and maybe some diff options
  1920. # [20:32] <@gavin> (per the info on MDN)
  1921. # [20:34] <@dolske> what is "BC" in "Firefox (BC+Ion+TI)"
  1922. # [20:34] <akeybl> fox2mike: hi there
  1923. # [20:34] <@dolske> (from arewefastyet.com)
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  1925. # [20:34] <mccr8> dolske: baseline compiler
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  1927. # [20:34] <mccr8> dolske: replacement for Jaegermonkey
  1928. # [20:34] <@dolske> ah
  1929. # [20:34] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/fd03d6a24c3e - Andrew Halberstadt - Bug 843747 - Disable handful of b2g emulator mochitests that fail with an ubuntu vm as host, r=jgriffin
  1930. # [20:35] <mccr8> code that's hot enough to compile, but not hot enough for full ionmonkey treatment
  1931. # [20:35] <@dolske> mccr8: ....does it not have a *monkey name? :)
  1932. # [20:35] <@dolske> BaseChimp, perhaps? ;)
  1933. # [20:35] <mccr8> hah, I guess not!
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  1939. # [20:39] <evilpie> dolske: my offer "BlitzMonkey" wasn't that well regarded
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  1945. # [20:41] <@dolske> evilpie: I'd be hesitant to name a feature "BM" too. :P
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  1949. # [20:42] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/d63e1c2e39b2 - Kartikaya Gupta - Bug 842946 - When there is no selected tab, don't try to apply viewport updates. r=mfinkle
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  1951. # [20:43] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/18a5e71f82c4 - Kartikaya Gupta - Bug 844930 - Make deprecation warning more useful. r=bnicholson
  1952. # [20:43] <gps> 1519 files removed from m-c on the last pull! what did we nuke from orbit?
  1953. # [20:44] <evilpie> dolske: i don't get it? some brits have bad memories with in particular "blitzkrieg"
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  1957. # [20:46] <Waldo> don't mention the war!
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  1959. # [20:47] <evilpie> but you won!
  1960. # [20:48] <jhammel|busy> evilpie: that's just what they *want* you to think!
  1961. # [20:48] <Waldo> evilpie: you have to have seen fawlty towers, right?
  1962. # [20:48] <Mossop> Not sure anyone really won that war
  1963. # [20:48] <Waldo> if not this can be Rectified
  1964. # [20:48] <@khuey> evilpie: why would the brits have bad memories
  1965. # [20:48] <@khuey> evilpie: and not the french, belgians, dutch, polish ....
  1966. # [20:49] * evilpie should have never opened that can here
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  1971. # [20:51] <@dolske> evilpie: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bm
  1972. # [20:52] <evilpie> dolske: i don't find that to bad
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  1976. # [20:54] <bsmedberg> ted: https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/6aa4188f-d11f-4d51-93a3-6c78c2130225 can you think of a reason we'd actually be hitting OOM in that case?
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  1995. # [20:59] <@ted> bsmedberg: having a hard time seeing how that's possible
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  1997. # [20:59] <@ted> lots of available VM, only allocating 32k
  1998. # [20:59] <@ted> 32k seems like a plausible allocation size for a pipe buffer
  1999. # [21:00] <bsmedberg> yes, it's the correct size
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  2001. # [21:00] <bsmedberg> ted: only thing I can think of is some internal memory corruption in the jemalloc structures
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  2003. # [21:00] <bsmedberg> but I wouldn't expect it to show up like this
  2004. # [21:00] <@ted> that was where i was thinking too
  2005. # [21:00] <@ted> yeah, i would expect us to be crashing inside malloc then
  2006. # [21:01] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/134b35ff1447 - Boris Zbarsky - Bug 842561 - Assert that our inheritance chain is correct for WebIDL objects. r=peterv, a=lsblakk
  2007. # [21:01] <@ted> bsmedberg: thread 0 is interesting...
  2008. # [21:01] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/ed89526b7d3f - Jim Chen - Bug 842687 - Use uint32 instead of bool for certain plug-in values. r=bsmedberg, a=bajaj
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  2011. # [21:02] <bsmedberg> ted: huh
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  2015. # [21:03] <@ted> bsmedberg: wonder if there's some weird race
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  2017. # [21:04] <Ms2ger> !summon bjacob
  2018. # [21:04] <@ted> jlebar: https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/6aa4188f-d11f-4d51-93a3-6c78c2130225
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  2020. # [21:05] <jlebar> ted: reading the backlog
  2021. # [21:05] <@ted> jlebar: the crashing thread is OOMing on a 32k allocation when we're showing lots of available virtual memory, but thread 0 is inside NtAllocateVirtualMemory
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  2023. # [21:05] <jlebar> ted: Available Page File 5763072. Is that bytes?
  2024. # [21:05] <@ted> believe so yes
  2025. # [21:06] <jlebar> ted: 5mb of available page size?
  2026. # [21:06] <@ted> that does sound low
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  2028. # [21:06] <juanb> jfkthame: pong
  2029. # [21:06] <jlebar> 6mb, but still.
  2030. # [21:06] <@ted> it claims 2GB of available virtual memory
  2031. # [21:06] <jlebar> sure, but Windows will kill you if you run out of commit space.
  2032. # [21:06] <jlebar> That's the "available page file".
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  2034. # [21:06] <@ted> jlebar: these values are straight from whatever windows API gives you that data btw
  2035. # [21:07] <jlebar> ted: right. And we don't read them at the precise moment when we oom (that's impossible, anyway).
  2036. # [21:07] <@ted> GlobalMemoryStatusEx
  2037. # [21:07] <@ted> right
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  2039. # [21:07] <jlebar> ted: so I suspect we're just getting killed because of that.
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  2041. # [21:07] <@ted> "killed" how?
  2042. # [21:07] <@ted> jemalloc is returning NULL
  2043. # [21:07] <bjacob> Ms2ger: pong, and sorry for the late review
  2044. # [21:07] <@ted> so we're mozalloc_aborting
  2045. # [21:08] <jlebar> ted: Well, what is the contract for VirtualAlloc when we're out of commit space, I wonder?
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  2047. # [21:08] <Ms2ger> bjacob, heh, that's all I wanted to remind you off :)
  2048. # [21:08] <@ted> beats me
  2049. # [21:08] * jlebar is reading
  2050. # [21:08] <bjacob> Ms2ger: it's on the top of the things that make me feel bad for not doing in time
  2051. # [21:09] <Ms2ger> bjacob, I'd like the review, but I'll settle for that ;)
  2052. # [21:09] <bsmedberg> ted: the size on the main thread is 0x1000
  2053. # [21:09] <jlebar> ted: of course msdn doesn't say. But that has to be what's happening.
  2054. # [21:09] <bjacob> Ms2ger: right now i'm working on a b2g thing that that means that if mozilla dies it's MY FAULT
  2055. # [21:09] <Ms2ger> :)
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  2059. # [21:10] <jlebar> ted: Linux will let you mmap anonymous memory when there isnt' enough space in swap + ram. THen it will kill some process when you try to touch that memory.
  2060. # [21:10] <@ted> yeah
  2061. # [21:10] <jlebar> ted: But Windows will not over-commit.
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  2064. # [21:10] <@ted> so you think jemalloc tried to VirtualAlloc, failed, and that's why it handed back NULL?
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  2066. # [21:10] <jlebar> ted: yes
  2067. # [21:11] <@ted> ok, that sounds plausible
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  2069. # [21:11] <@ted> 5MB does sound really low for free pagefile
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  2115. # [21:29] <@dbaron> hmmm... annotating ~330 mochitests doesn't look fun
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  2121. # [21:31] <@dbaron> mbrubeck, the browser-chrome orange seems likely to be you, I think
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  2124. # [21:31] <@dbaron> mbrubeck, though could be jgriffin as well
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  2128. # [21:32] <RyanVM> dbaron: mbrubeck: pretty sure it's mbrubeck
  2129. # [21:32] <RyanVM> jgriffin's got green Try runs in his bug
  2130. # [21:33] <RyanVM> and mbrubeck's touches that test
  2131. # [21:33] <@dbaron> RyanVM, and the orange looks like it's an orange that makes the run finish faster
  2132. # [21:33] <RyanVM> mbruheh
  2133. # [21:33] <RyanVM> heh
  2134. # [21:33] <@dbaron> RyanVM, er, maybe not
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  2139. # [21:35] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/2da4ecd0b47d - Ryan VanderMeulen - Backed out changesets e8202e140fd8 and b1cd489945f5 (bug 844328) for mochitest-bc orange on a CLOSED TREE.
  2140. # [21:35] <RyanVM> though I suppose I really didn't need to back out both csets
  2141. # [21:35] <RyanVM> oh well
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  2143. # [21:36] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/79265e5ffdc4 - Matt Brubeck - Bug 844328 - Silence debug warning about _onTouchStart return value [r=jimm]
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  2156. # [21:46] <Waldo> dbaron: alternatively we could fix the assertions ;-)
  2157. # [21:47] * Waldo makes a bold suggestion
  2158. # [21:47] <@dbaron> Waldo, not today
  2159. # [21:47] * Waldo imagines an insanity dbaron meme
  2160. # [21:48] <Waldo> (your assessment of the calculus here is clearly correct, of course)
  2161. # [21:48] <bent> mak, ping
  2162. # [21:48] <mak> bent: hi
  2163. # [21:48] <bent> mak, hi,
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  2166. # [21:49] <bent> mak, do you see any problems if we do what i suggest in bug 840377 comment 12?
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  2170. # [21:50] <mak> bent: let me read the bug, I didn't know it
  2171. # [21:50] <bent> mak, yeah, i should have cc'd you
  2172. # [21:50] <mrbkap> bent: I still bet that the cause of the bug is random memory corruption.
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  2175. # [21:51] <mrbkap> bent: rather than a bug in sqlite :?
  2176. # [21:51] <bent> mak, basically we've only ever seen it on b2g18 (where we have low memory)
  2177. # [21:51] <bent> mrbkap, oh, i don't think it will fix your bug
  2178. # [21:51] <bent> mrbkap, i just don't want to see this particular iloop ever again
  2179. # [21:51] <mrbkap> bent: no, I think that it has the same root cause as "my" bug (read gwagner's bug :P)
  2180. # [21:51] <bent> hm, i guess...
  2181. # [21:52] <mrbkap> bent: have you had any luck reproducing it?
  2182. # [21:52] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/aa7ee3a0eede - Kartikaya Gupta - Bug 840721 - Add a PostDelayedTask method to the GeckoContentController interface. r=cjones
  2183. # [21:52] <bent> mak, the basic question is whether you're ok locally patching sqlite on b2g18 only and then waiting for a regular sqlite release for the patch on trunk
  2184. # [21:52] <bent> mrbkap, none
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  2186. # [21:52] <bent> mrbkap, i've found like ten other problems
  2187. # [21:52] <bent> mrbkap, but not that one :(
  2188. # [21:53] <mrbkap> bent: you're still valgrinding it, right?
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  2190. # [21:53] <bent> yep
  2191. # [21:54] <@roc> ho hum
  2192. # [21:54] <bent> mrbkap, i've found several illegal writes, so who knows
  2193. # [21:54] <mak> bent: I think I'm fine with us taking a temporary patch on a branch, provided that branch is a "dead" leaf, so next version of that branch will get a proper new SQLite version through a new merge from trunk.
  2194. # [21:54] <bent> mak, that's my understanding, yeah
  2195. # [21:55] <mak> bent: clearly that is valid if we already upstreamed the fix (and looks like we did here)
  2196. # [21:55] <bent> yeop
  2197. # [21:55] <bent> er
  2198. # [21:55] <bent> yep
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  2201. # [21:56] <mrbkap> bent: apparently there's a way of marking memory as "this shouldn't change from here on out" in valgrind.
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  2203. # [21:56] <bent> mrbkap, i did that!
  2204. # [21:56] <mrbkap> bent: so we could mark mResultVal as that.
  2205. # [21:56] <mrbkap> bent: oh, cool.
  2206. # [21:56] <bent> mrbkap, i have tons of annotations
  2207. # [21:56] <bent> mrbkap, still no dice
  2208. # [21:57] <RyanVM> philor: so yeah - https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=20071341&tree=Mozilla-Inbound
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  2210. # [21:58] <bent> RyanVM, does the b2g18 uplift for bug 803688 show up on your magic queries?
  2211. # [21:59] <philor> RyanVM: only thing vaguely related I remember is that navigating the whole window back will eat failure, that's how all those reftest-with-caret mochitests failed silently for so long, but that didn't involve saying one failed when it wasn't logged
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  2213. # [21:59] <RyanVM> bent: yeah
  2214. # [21:59] <bent> \o/
  2215. # [21:59] <bent> ok
  2216. # [22:00] <RyanVM> bent: speaking of which, are there any plans to do anything with bug 835575 still?
  2217. # [22:00] <RyanVM> that's also showing up ;)
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  2219. # [22:00] <mbrubeck> oops, looks like I removed the finish() from that test. :/
  2220. # [22:00] <RyanVM> mbrubeck; that would do it!
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  2222. # [22:00] <bent> RyanVM, hm, i should ask
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  2224. # [22:01] <RyanVM> bent: I'll probably do another round of uplifts tonight after the next m-c merge
  2225. # [22:01] <bent> RyanVM, ok, thanks
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  2227. # [22:02] <philor> aki: don't suppose there's anything mozharness does to count failures that would explain https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=20071341&tree=Mozilla-Inbound with the 1 failed test and 0 "-UNEXPECTED"s?
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  2230. # [22:03] <philor> or does the mochitest harness do the counting?
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  2233. # [22:03] <aki> i think mozharness counts
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  2236. # [22:03] <aki> and buildbot
  2237. # [22:04] <aki> wait, i might be wrong
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  2240. # [22:05] <aki> yeah, i think http://pastebin.mozilla.org/2175930 is from mochitest
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  2242. # [22:05] <aki> which seems consistent with 10:23:20 INFO - TinderboxPrint: mochitest-browser-chrome<br/>45190/<em class="testfail">1</em>/43
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  2244. # [22:06] <philor> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/testing/mochitest/browser-test.js#182
  2245. # [22:08] <philor> the bit above that is nicely obscure
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  2260. # [22:17] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/919c98296dbf - Matt Woodrow - Bug 841308 - Make WillPaintWindow be called for cocoa popups. r=roc
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  2272. # [22:22] <tanvi> bz - ping
  2273. # [22:22] <tanvi> was reading the whatwg thread on cross-origin redirects to a data URL
  2274. # [22:23] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/99f36af07e3b - Jonathan Griffin - Bug 844942 - Let switching to top-level frame work even when current frame is invalid, r=mdas
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  2276. # [22:23] <tanvi> bz - firefox had this bug with the jar protocol, and it sounds like it had it with wyciwyg too: https://blog.mozilla.org/security/2007/11/16/jar-protocol-xss-security-issues/, https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=369814#c50,
  2277. # [22:24] <tanvi> bz- maybe that is why chrome is generating the "unsafe redirect" warning
  2278. # [22:24] <tanvi> bz- have we checked that this issue doesn't exist with other protocols?
  2279. # [22:24] <@bz> tanvi: Not sure
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  2281. # [22:26] <tanvi> dveditz ^^
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  2283. # [22:29] <@dveditz> tanvi: the jar issue was separate from redirects
  2284. # [22:30] <@dveditz> it’s just a dangerous feature
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  2287. # [22:31] <tanvi> the jar protocol issue made an open redirect into an XSS. and there were open redirects everywhere in 2007, and today i feel like there are even more.
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  2294. # [22:34] <annevk> that sounds relevant to my interests
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  2296. # [22:35] <@dolske> heh
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  2319. # [22:53] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/f353efb7e15a - Bobby Holley - Bug 836301 - Add tracking for whether we have a non-trivial enter() trap. r=mrbkap
  2320. # [22:53] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/fdf8b5dab36c - Bobby Holley - Bug 836301 - Hoist enter() calls from {Xray,}Wrapper::foo into Proxy::foo. r=mrbkap
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  2323. # [22:53] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/520ff1852daf - Bobby Holley - Bug 836301 - Stop using JSRESOLVE_ASSIGNING to determine GET vs SET. r=mrbkap
  2324. # [22:53] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/1638e21ef27d - Bobby Holley - Bug 836301 - Hoist enter() into BaseProxyHandler. r=mrbkap
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  2339. # [22:57] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/8df29822474e - Tim Taubert - Bug 829568 - part 3 - restore the initial session in case the user opens a non-private window; r=felipe a=akeybl
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  2358. # [23:05] <jwatt> is anyone here an rtl user?
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  2360. # [23:06] <bsmedberg> timeless can be, I think
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  2368. # [23:07] <jcranmer> ?taht s'thaW ?ltr
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  2374. # [23:08] <jcranmer> tahW*
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  2384. # [23:09] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/dba451863c29 - Kartikaya Gupta - Bug 843888 - Reduce LayerView overdraw by removing the background. r=sriram
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  2391. # [23:11] <@smaug> roc: vlad: so, Bug 822096 is happening now on this Nightly instance
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  2396. # [23:11] <@smaug> any hints what I should do?
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  2398. # [23:11] <@smaug> to debug the problem
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  2416. # [23:13] <bsmedberg> Who should I ask about nsPipe behavior?
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  2420. # [23:14] <cjones> an nsPlumber
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  2422. # [23:14] <@smaug> jwatt: you know, we have logs for this channel ;)
  2423. # [23:14] * cjones lets himself out
  2424. # [23:14] <jcranmer> bsmedberg: my normal answer for that would be you...
  2425. # [23:14] <jcranmer> [oh, nsPipe is necko, not xpcom, isn't it?]
  2426. # [23:14] <bsmedberg> well, it's not the part of XPCOM I've ever hacked on
  2427. # [23:14] <bsmedberg> it's more necko-y, yes
  2428. # [23:15] <jcranmer> taras: any objections to closing all the xhydra bugs wontfix?
  2429. # [23:15] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/0f9bcf85f0b7 - Brian Hackett - Bug 844364 - Fix bogus assertion, inverted test when compiling JSOP_EVAL, r=jandem.
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  2431. # [23:15] <bsmedberg> jcranmer: :-( or port them to be clang analysis bugs
  2432. # [23:15] <jcranmer> bsmedberg: I'm referring to the dehydra bugs
  2433. # [23:16] <jcranmer> not "any analysis bugs"
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  2436. # [23:16] <bsmedberg> oh
  2437. # [23:16] <jcranmer> bsmedberg: so bug 427536
  2438. # [23:16] * bsmedberg suspects they are nonvaluable, but defers to taras
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  2441. # [23:17] <jcranmer> I think there's a page on Elsa's website claiming that we still use it
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  2445. # [23:19] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/e6f94804e6a7 - Brian Hackett - Bug 844482 - Watch for OOM disabling TI under CreateThisForFunction, r=dvander.
  2446. # [23:19] * jcranmer was reminded of this by seeing cjones clean out all his old bugs today
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  2453. # [23:22] <jwatt> smaug: that might help if logbot hadn't been out of the channel too
  2454. # [23:23] <jwatt> ;)
  2455. # [23:23] <@smaug> whaat
  2456. # [23:23] <@smaug> what about krijn's log
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  2465. # [23:26] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/72ede8c87fed - Ehsan Akhgari - Bug 780474 - Disable the struct/class mismatch warning on MSVC as well; r=glandium
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  2467. # [23:26] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/62243742ec76 - Ehsan Akhgari - Bug 844169 - Part 1: Rename nsHTMLIFrameElement to mozilla::dom::HTMLIFrameElement; r=bzbarsky
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  2471. # [23:28] <jwatt> smaug: that works better
  2472. # [23:29] <Waldo> bsmedberg: there's a slight chance I might be able to answer, having touched nsPipe at some point
  2473. # [23:29] <bsmedberg> Waldo: question in bug 842951
  2474. # [23:29] <bsmedberg> ack
  2475. # [23:29] <bsmedberg> Waldo: question in bug 842941
  2476. # [23:30] <@smaug> no, scrolling is painfully slow
  2477. # [23:30] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/74ad7a9937dc - Brian Hackett - Bug 841530 - Tweaks to fit JIT inspector after the decompilerectomy, r=pierron.
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  2484. # [23:38] <Waldo> bsmedberg: what do you mean by "will continue to be correct"? in the face of what exact change?
  2485. # [23:38] <taras> jcranmer: do it
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  2487. # [23:39] <jduell> bsmedberg: Waldo: I don't know nsPipe well, but glancing at the code it looks like if we get null from OOM instead of full pipe, we wind up waiting on mReentrantMonitor until something tells us pipe is no longer full (i.e. something sets mBlocked and then checks it in OnOutputWritable). I wouldn't count on that?
  2488. # [23:39] <taras> jcranmer: should remove those sections of bz
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  2491. # [23:39] <jcranmer> Rewriting + Analysis is perhaps useful
  2492. # [23:39] <jcranmer> if I ever finish my clang static analysis plugin
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  2494. # [23:40] <Waldo> being able to do more rewrites simply would be a good thing
  2495. # [23:40] <stuart> i wish pdf.js was about 15x faster
  2496. # [23:40] <seth> jcranmer: curious which plugin you're referring to?
  2497. # [23:41] <yury> stuart: what you would do then?
  2498. # [23:41] <stuart> be able to actually zoom in to maps :)
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  2500. # [23:41] <Waldo> grouch about something other than pdf.js, most likely ;-)
  2501. # [23:42] <jhammel|busy> Waldo++
  2502. # [23:42] <yury> :)
  2503. # [23:42] <jcranmer> seth: I ported the current dehydra analyses to clang
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  2506. # [23:42] <jcranmer> I just haven't checked them in yet since we don't have working builders that could check them, even on try
  2507. # [23:43] <seth> jcranmer: ah, i see. sounds interesting.
  2508. # [23:44] <jcranmer> OS X builders fail because clang plugins are foobared on mac, and Linux builders fail because they HOST_*FLAGS kick in at the wrong plaes
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  2511. # [23:44] <Waldo> jduell: for a non-blocking stream, OOM failure in that case would claim that only the leading edge of bytes was written, then return/continue with normal execution (it's always legal for writing N bytes to a stream to return and indicate it had written only M bytes where M < N)
  2512. # [23:44] <seth> apple's build of clang kinda sucks. i've started using my own
  2513. # [23:44] <Waldo> jduell: for a blocking stream you'd get that Wait() behavior
  2514. # [23:45] <Waldo> jduell: blocking streams are increasingly frowned upon :-)
  2515. # [23:45] <seth> why don't they include the libclang headers, for example?!
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  2517. # [23:45] <jcranmer> (the problem with apple's build is it strips the symbols that you need to link against)
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  2520. # [23:45] <Waldo> jduell: I think if you hit OOM there, and it was a blocking stream, it's unclear what should happen exactly
  2521. # [23:45] <seth> hah! perhaps that's why they don't include the headers
  2522. # [23:46] <Waldo> jduell: if the stream got OOM because it got really full and the system ran out of memory, the consumer on the other end might well remove enough stuff to unblock it
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  2528. # [23:48] <Waldo> jduell: but there's a wrinkle, because nsSegmentedBuffer can return nullptr both for OOM, and for the buffer reaching its maxsize (as indicated at Init time)
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  2531. # [23:48] <Waldo> jduell: the latter I suspect isn't especially hard to hit -- any pipe that's not of unbounded size probably can be futzed to hit it
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  2533. # [23:50] <Waldo> jduell, bsmedberg: probably the rightest fix would be to make AppendSegments return nsresult and pointer both, so as not to conflate OOM and out-of-space
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  2542. # [23:57] <rniwa> rhelmer: hi!
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  2544. # [23:58] <rhelmer> rniwa: hey how are you
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  2546. # [23:58] <rniwa> rhelmer: good.
  2547. # [23:58] <rhelmer> ?
  2548. # [23:58] <rhelmer> great
  2549. # [23:58] <rniwa> rhelmer: fyi, we've launched https://perf.webkit.org/
  2550. # [23:58] <rniwa> rhelmer: it's sort of a mixture of graph server & datazilla.
  2551. # [23:59] <rhelmer> Oh cool
  2552. # [23:59] <rniwa> rhelmer: we had some specific use cases for apple internal tool
  2553. # [23:59] <rniwa> rhelmer: so we've created it from scratch
  2554. # [23:59] <rniwa> rhelmer: maybe it's something of your interest :)
  2555. # [23:59] <jduell> Waldo: does it make a difference whether nsSegmentedBuffer returns null because of OOM or max size reached? Either way it's saying "no more bytes avail right now", right? So does existing logic work (wait until consumer reads from pipe)?
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