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1. # Session Start: Sat Mar 09 00:00:00 2013
2. # Session Ident: #developers
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5. # [00:01] <mjrosenb> does anyone know how to turn off optimizations for a single function (which is sadly templated)
6. # [00:01] <mjrosenb> ?
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8. # [00:03] <BenWa> reuben: Opps sorry. Turns out jrmuizel_ credit card was the single point of failure :P
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10. # [00:03] <reuben> BenWa: lol. why isn't it on mozilla's infra?
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12. # [00:04] <BenWa> reuben: Because this it was easier to prototype
13. # [00:05] <evilpie> mjrosenb: depends on the compiler
14. # [00:05] <@khuey> mjrosenb: compiler specific or generally?
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16. # [00:06] <jaws> tomer: hi
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18. # [00:06] <jaws> tomer: when i tested it i forgot to use the -moz- prefix. thanks for the comment :)
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20. # [00:06] <BenWa> reuben: it should work now
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22. # [00:07] <tomer> jaws: It is also mentioned in the linked MDN article.
23. # [00:07] <mjrosenb> gcc-4.7
24. # [00:07] <mjrosenb> ok, I figured it out.
25. # [00:08] <jaws> tomer: yep, another strike against me :)
26. # [00:09] <reuben> BenWa: I'm still seeing the same error
27. # [00:09] <Waldo> jaws: is "ludicrous speed" really going to be the string in shipped UI?
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29. # [00:11] <tomer> jaws: Please keep in mind that adding unicode-bidi:-moz-plaintext to text/plain documents can't be landed while it breaks the Switch Page Direction feature. I wish the Switch Page Direction would be removed one day, but some people including our very own Mano argue it shouldn't.
30. # [00:11] * Waldo slightly hopes there'll be some sort of faster/slower in fine-ish increments UI, although he's not holding his breath on it
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32. # [00:12] <Waldo> seems to me that people would want that more than exact multiples, as someone talking at 1.0x may be fine, 1.5x too fast, 1.4x okay once you're used to it, or even more adaptive when you consider people talk at different speeds
33. # [00:12] <Waldo> I know the lectures/talks I've watched sped up, I've wanted to tweak speed fairly often when something important gets said just a little too fast
34. # [00:12] <BenWa> reuben: worked for me… weird
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42. # [00:15] <jaws> Waldo: yes, ludicrous speed is what we will ship unless something changes it
43. # [00:16] <Waldo> hah
44. # [00:16] <Waldo> translators may have fun translating that
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46. # [00:16] <jaws> Waldo: yeah, the DTD file mentions it is from Space Balls, but yes, will be a fun time... :P
47. # [00:17] <philor> seth: MSVC is not amused
48. # [00:17] <jaws> Waldo: regarding the finer grained controls, it sounds like you want some way to quickly revert back to Normal Speed?
49. # [00:17] <Waldo> jaws: P1 bug, text should reference "Spaceballs", not "Space Balls" :-P
50. # [00:17] <reuben> BenWa: I see. it's either my profile or one of my add-ons. it worked on Safari
51. # [00:17] <jaws> BLOCKER
52. # [00:18] <Waldo> jaws: not at all, just temporarily slow it down when a lecturer, say, goes on a faster-speed tangent, then speed it up again when that's done
53. # [00:18] <BenWa> It didn't work well in webkit last I looked
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55. # [00:18] <Waldo> jaws: possibly combined with going backwards a few seconds (of real time, not video native time) to replay that bit at slower speed
56. # [00:19] <jaws> Waldo: yeah, there's something there that we could do. i could picture mouse down to temporarily revert to Normal Speed. and then mouseup switches back to previuos playbackrate
57. # [00:19] <reuben> BenWa: ah, it's HTTPS Everywhere. it's probably redirecting the request to the appengine API, and breaking it in the process
58. # [00:19] <BenWa> Ohh I see
59. # [00:19] <Waldo> jaws: as far as faster/slower go, vlc has some reasonable fade-over-and-out UI to show 1.40x and so on
60. # [00:19] <sfink> just make the playback speed depend on how quickly you repeatedly bang on the spacebar, decaying towards paused when you stop
61. # [00:19] <Waldo> they used to have a very handy (at least, for most of what I watch) speed scaler widget
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64. # [00:20] <Waldo> it probably wasn't worth the UI space for viewing for most people, in general
65. # [00:20] <jgilbert> sfink++
66. # [00:20] <Waldo> most of what I'm watching outside a browser will be academic talks/lectures that I want to consume faster than original speed, tho, so for me it was about perfect
67. # [00:21] <@ted> BenWa: FYI have you seen paas.allizom.org?
68. # [00:21] <Waldo> sfink: dual purpose besides staying/keeping warm, I like it
69. # [00:21] <@ted> BenWa: https://mana.mozilla.org/wiki/display/websites/paas.allizom.org
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71. # [00:21] <@ted> it's "Stackato", which is basically a hosted Heroku
72. # [00:21] <@ted> super easy to spin up dev instances
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74. # [00:22] <philor> johns: and Android is not amused
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76. # [00:22] <BenWa> ted: Cool. I'll keep an eye on it
77. # [00:23] <johns> philor: ffffff
78. # [00:23] <johns> philor: I'll back it out (unless you're already on it)
79. # [00:23] <@ted> BenWa: check out the mana page, pretty easy to fiddle around with, i was able to spin up a little web.py webapp i have in like 10 minutes
80. # [00:24] <BenWa> ted: There's a 100% public instances right?
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82. # [00:24] <philor> johns: I'm not, I won't have a tree for another four hours - don't forget the CLOSED TREE in the commit message
83. # [00:25] <@ted> BenWa: yep
84. # [00:25] <BenWa> cool
85. # [00:25] <@ted> BenWa: if you just spin one up it winds up at <whatever>.paas.allizom.org
86. # [00:25] <@ted> getting it to mozilla.org requires secreview etc
87. # [00:25] <@ted> and this currently has no availability guarantees
88. # [00:26] <BenWa> ted: I'll look into that for my next services but for now I'll punt on migrating
89. # [00:26] <BenWa> I'll use that when I implement the profile video storage
90. # [00:26] <johns> philor: https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/ad90d1366dba
91. # [00:26] <@ted> yeah, seems reasonable
92. # [00:26] <glandium> oh https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=110907
93. # [00:26] <@ted> just figured i should make you aware
94. # [00:27] <BenWa> No. I remember doing a survey for something similar
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97. # [00:27] <@ted> the plan is to make that into a production-quality service so that you could spin up a dev instance, and when it gets secreview you could move it to production mozilla.org
98. # [00:27] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/ad90d1366dba - John Schoenick - Backout 9f5cff5a1a3d and 36cde68b1bf4 (Bug 783059) for Android M-1 Orange on a CLOSED TREE
99. # [00:27] * @ted wanders off
100. # [00:27] <johns> philor: The crappy part is I pushed to try but didn't include opt builds :(
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105. # [00:31] <Luqman> baku|away: ping
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107. # [00:31] <philor> johns: thx, yeah, the lack of debug android tests is annoying, just not quite as annying as the tests themselves were, with assertions only printed in the separate logcat at the end, and only if you managed to crash hard and fast so they made it into those few hundred lines
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112. # [00:33] * @khuey would really love to know what's so different about mac's thread scheduling that it has all sorts of oranges other platforms never see
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122. # [00:37] <glandium> khuey: mach? (not our build tool, but the micro kernel)
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126. # [00:38] <@khuey> right
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135. # [00:43] <sfink> ted: review ping for bug 838029
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153. # [00:57] <philor> "The window title for http://mochi.test:8888/browser/browser/components/privatebrowsing/test/browser/perwindow/browser_privatebrowsing_windowtitle_page.html..." srs? 4 "browser" but only 2 "privatebrowsing" in the path?
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168. # [01:11] <dholbert> philor, needs more /browser/
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170. # [01:12] <philor> perbrowserwindow/browser_privatebrowsing_browserwindowtitle_browserpage.html?browser=browser
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174. # [01:16] <froydnj> the test paths are too damn long
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176. # [01:17] <johns> philor: Do you need someone with a tree to backout seth?
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181. # [01:20] <philor> johns: sure, thanks - just don't tell the people with pending Windows jobs on Try that you're doing it, they're hoping inbound will stay closed long enough for them to get a test run
182. # [01:20] <philor> little do they realize aurora and beta are eating all the slaves anyway
183. # [01:21] <johns> philor: Sorry I should've offered to back him out along with my mess, not paying attention :-P
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186. # [01:23] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/1125469c5134 - John Schoenick - Backout d1f27bcc360a (Bug 849114) for windows bustage CLOSED TREE
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206. # [01:46] <philor> um, now what?
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317. # [03:17] <xonecas> Hi, is it possible to prgrammatically call a gCli command from another module?
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340. # [03:31] <@dolske> xonecas: what's a "gCli command"?
341. # [03:32] <xonecas> something you'd type in the web developer console
342. # [03:32] <xonecas> like "screenshot"
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345. # [03:33] <xonecas> it's a built in command.
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347. # [03:34] <xonecas> defined in browser/devtools/commandline/BuiltinCommands.jsm
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362. # [03:48] <firebot> Check-in:
363. # [03:48] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/071aab148869 - Zack Weinberg - Bug 847181: prune unused printing-related nsresult codes, make printing error codes available in Components.results, and improve English of printing error messages.
364. # [03:48] <firebot> r=smaug
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366. # [03:49] <philor> what are all these removeObserver() calls with three params?
367. # [03:49] <philor> "wrong"?
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376. # [03:57] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/e6d2b2cdbed4 - Bill McCloskey - Bug 846890 - Avoid check for native anonymous content when possible (r=bholley)
377. # [03:57] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/215fdb623ab6 - Bill McCloskey - Bug 846890 - Fix leak from cycle between parser and XULContentSinkImpl (r=smaug)
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379. # [03:57] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/2e5820d183e2 - Bill McCloskey - Bug 846890 - Disable security.fileuri.strict_origin_policy for reftests (r=dbaron,dholbert)
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388. # [04:00] <Mavericks> philor: link ?
389. # [04:01] <philor> Mavericks: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/search?string=removeobserver.*false&regexp=on
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397. # [04:07] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/48c7bf114f1d - Ryan VanderMeulen - Merge m-c to inbound.
398. # [04:07] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/e6215e0357fa - Robert Strong - Bug 848794 - Can't re-run Firefox stub installer after cancelling Install. r=bbondy
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435. # [04:55] <Mavericks> philor: just looked up removeObserver() on mdn. yeah
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440. # [05:00] <Mavericks> aah so does nsIObserverService.idl
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444. # [05:03] <JonathanS> if void* hhea = get_font_table(font, 'hhea'); is NULL, why it is calling sk_free(head); and return false
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459. # [05:18] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/be905015b253 - Yuan Xulei - Bug 848660 - Fix Gaia selector. r=fabrice
460. # [05:18] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/edf62f27b3c0 - Terrence Cole - Bug 849456 - Fix a potential NULL deref on OOM. r=mrosenberg
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514. # [06:18] <philor> so, on the bright side, billm made us run reftests faster; on the not so bright side, that's three new failures and seven instances of them already
515. # [06:19] <billm> philor: do you know why it fails if the number of differing pixels is less than the max?
516. # [06:22] <billm> oh, max difference does not mean what I thought it meant
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521. # [06:27] <billm> I guess I'll back out
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526. # [06:31] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/e38c5c346840 - Bill McCloskey - Back out bug 846890 for reftest orange
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690. # [12:09] <@smaug> except that m-i is rather orange
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692. # [12:20] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/a94beda5fc50 - ffxbld - No bug, Automated blocklist update from host bld-centos6-hp-006 - a=blocklist-update
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711. # [12:54] <Ms2ger> smaug, events, eh?
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714. # [12:55] <@smaug> Ms2ger: event
715. # [12:55] <@smaug> without 's'
716. # [12:55] <@smaug> landing just now
717. # [12:57] <Ms2ger> Make sure to star quickly ;)
718. # [12:57] <@smaug> and crossing fingers
719. # [12:57] <@smaug> Ms2ger: I just re-read m-i tree rules
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721. # [12:57] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/eaff15332579 - Olli Pettay - Bug 822399 - Make Event to use Paris bindings, r=peterv
722. # [12:57] <@smaug> I don't need to care about star'ing
723. # [12:58] <@smaug> otherwise I'd just keep using m-c
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729. # [13:12] <Ms2ger> Yeah, now I need to care about starring ;)
730. # [13:12] <Ms2ger> "TEST-UNEXPECTED-FAIL | /tests/dom/network/tests/test_networkstats_enabled_perm.html | navigator.mozNetworkStats should be a nsIDOMMozNetworkStatsManager object"
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732. # [13:12] <Ms2ger> How do you even break that?
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734. # [13:14] * Ms2ger kicks mounir
735. # [13:14] <Ms2ger> Oh hey, he's not even involved
736. # [13:14] * Ms2ger kicks philikon
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741. # [13:20] <Ms2ger> Lovely: ASSERTION: RECURSION_LEVEL(table_) > 0: 'RECURSION_LEVEL(table) > 0', file e:/builds/moz2_slave/m-in-w32-d-0000000000000000000/build/obj-firefox/xpcom/build/pldhash.cpp, line 670
742. # [13:20] <NeilAway> smaug: starring
743. # [13:21] <NeilAway> smaug: staring is something you do at code
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748. # [13:33] <@smaug> NeilAway: good luck trying to teach me English ;)
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752. # [13:37] <NeilAway> smaug: could be worse, you could be trying to teach me Finnish :-P
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784. # [14:30] <mounir> Ms2ger: why?
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786. # [14:32] <Ms2ger> mounir, it was actually philikon, I take that kick back :)
787. # [14:32] <mounir> Ms2ger: okay ;)
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830. # [16:14] <Yoric> ttaubert: ping
831. # [16:14] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/4db85af71a2c - David Anderson - Use the right JSOP_CALLEE when inlining (bug 842300, r=nbp).
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852. # [17:00] <Yoric> !seen ttaubert
853. # [17:00] <firebot> ttaubert was last seen 2 days, 19 hours, 13 minutes and 3 seconds ago, saying '(proxy auto config)' in #fx-team.
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857. # [17:02] <Yoric> ttaubert: I'm doing good progress with bug 838577, but I have an issue with test browser_586068-select.js. After running this test, the selected tab is 2, which messes browser_586147.js. Is there some way that the selected tab is reset between tests? I can't find anything such in the test suite.
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861. # [17:07] <philor> sfink: it burns
862. # [17:07] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/d073b1e6ba69 - Kannan Vijayan - Bug 849302 - Allow rooting of IonCode objects. r=terrence
863. # [17:08] <philor> here, lemme just close that
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868. # [17:20] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/4657492d3aaf - Phil Ringnalda - Back out c9f5d3ebba39 (bug 835552) for Windows build bustage
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907. # [17:46] <@smaug> whaat, who has taken the links to logs away from the topic
908. # [17:46] * smaug changes topic to 'Intermittent-failure rate is out of control - please help! http://brasstacks.mozilla.com/orangefactor/ || https://etherpad.mozilla.org/commonissues || Next merge 2 April || Want to help? See #introduction || http://logbot.glob.com.au/?c=developers'
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918. # [17:53] <Ms2ger> !summon roc
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926. # [18:04] <@smaug> how disappointing. Largest change to event handling since 2006 and tree didn't burn
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949. # [18:25] <zzzzz_work> is tbpl on m-c not updating ?
950. # [18:25] <Optimizer> can I retrigger a full try using tbpl ?
951. # [18:25] <zzzzz_work> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=845807#c46 indicates a backout but I'm not seeing it
952. # [18:26] <zzzzz_work> oh, wait.. that's old news
953. # [18:26] <zzzzz_work> not really backed out yet
954. # [18:26] <Optimizer> zzzzz_work: you should not sleep at work
955. # [18:26] <zzzzz_work> I guess ...
956. # [18:26] <Optimizer> also, that has a whiteboard of backout, saying that backout is needed
957. # [18:26] <zzzzz_work> yeah, I see now .
958. # [18:26] <zzzzz_work> thanks
959. # [18:27] <Optimizer> np
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993. # [19:00] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/0d09c1509a43 - Terrence Cole - Bug 847698 - Move most slot allocation closer to object creation; r=bhackett
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995. # [19:02] <Wraithan> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=849532 -- not wonderful bug
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997. # [19:03] <Wraithan> it is only 8k but littering the system is no ideal.
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1002. # [19:07] <gaston> gps: congrats on build module ownership :)
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1022. # [19:43] <evilpie> why can you drag an drop an image from the download manager, but not from a webpage on linux?
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1025. # [19:47] <@smaug> evilpie: drag and drop to where?
1026. # [19:47] <evilpie> desktop
1027. # [19:47] <@smaug> hmm
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1029. # [19:47] <@smaug> that is odd
1030. # [19:48] <@smaug> evilpie: do you get any security exceptions ?
1031. # [19:48] <evilpie> let me check
1032. # [19:49] <dougt> evilpie: i think you should be able to drag any image from web content to the file system.
1033. # [19:49] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/1fc2be2d8cb7 - Ryan VanderMeulen - Backed out changesets a8088accbcbe and 6e7e6773c836 (bug 845807).
1034. # [19:49] <evilpie> well it it works kind of
1035. # [19:49] <evilpie> but i don't want "Link to http://i.imgur.com/sg017lt.gif"
1036. # [19:49] <evilpie> pretty useless imo
1037. # [19:49] <dougt> amazing gif
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1039. # [19:51] <@smaug> evilpie: have you discussed with Enn ?
1040. # [19:51] <evilpie> never heard that name :)
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1042. # [19:51] <@smaug> Enn owns dnd ;)
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1045. # [19:51] <evilpie> what i am actually aiming at is implementing dnd for <a download>
1046. # [19:52] <evilpie> but kind of hard when it doesn't even work normally
1047. # [19:52] <@smaug> ( Enn == Neil Deakin )
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1050. # [19:59] <evilpie> thanks going to contact him
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1056. # [20:03] <gaston> gkw: nice post re the pwn2own analysis
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1062. # [20:09] <krishna> Hi everyone..i wish to know how to enable australis tabs in nightly?
1063. # [20:12] <evilpie> download the ux nightly https://people.mozilla.com/~jwein/ux-nightly/
1064. # [20:15] <krishna> evilpie: Thanks ! I downloaded the build from nighty channel http://nightly.mozilla.org/ . Are those different from these one's ?
1065. # [20:15] <evilpie> yes
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1067. # [20:16] <evilpie> the ux nightly builds have all the fresh ux experiments for example australis tabs
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1069. # [20:16] <krishna> okay ! Thanks ! will try with this one :)
1070. # [20:16] <evilpie> np
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1075. # [20:21] <evilpie> only me or is 11% heap-unclassified quite high?
1076. # [20:21] <Mavericks> is the name australis anyway related to aurora borealis ? is it based of off star australis ?
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1080. # [20:26] <krishna> evilpie: In a recent blog post i read that now australis has landed in nightlies http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/03/firefoxs-new-theme-starts-taking-shape-on-linux . So by what time this build will be available in main nightly site?
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1082. # [20:26] <Ms2ger> evilpie, back in my days, we used to have 50% heap-unclassified! :)
1083. # [20:27] <Mossop_away> krishna: It's in the UX nightlies, no telling when it will make it to the main nightlies
1084. # [20:28] <krishna> Mossop_away: okkay ! Thanks :)
1085. # [20:28] <evilpie> Ms2ger: back in your days people didn't use smartphones either
1086. # [20:29] <Ms2ger> A smartphone? What's that? :)
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1088. # [20:30] <evilpie> never really took you for a smartphone person, you probably wouldn't tell anyone your number
1089. # [20:30] * Archaeopteryx wonders that they even had numbers for heap-unclassified in Ms2ger's days
1090. # [20:31] <Ms2ger> Heh
1091. # [20:31] <Ms2ger> I've got a pretty smart phone
1092. # [20:31] <Ms2ger> A nokia 1101
1093. # [20:31] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/d94adb1f5b10 - ffxbld - No bug, Automated blocklist update from host bld-linux64-ix-020 - a=blocklist-update
1094. # [20:31] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/50caa662b5a4 - Ryan VanderMeulen - Merge m-c to inbound.
1095. # [20:31] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/9e6232e86000 - Jan-Ivar Bruaroey - Bug 837919 - RTCPeerConnection constructor supports FQDN STUN servers. r=ekr
1096. # [20:31] <jcranmer|away> look at thunderbird, heap-unclassified is typically > 33%
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1098. # [20:32] <evilpie> probably missing some important reports that are not hit in firefox
1099. # [20:32] <evilpie> we don't care about thunderbird (tm)
1100. # [20:32] <Archaeopteryx> a burning comm-central tells us this every week
1101. # [20:33] <evilpie> what is that?
1102. # [20:33] <jcranmer|away> evilpie: we don't have memory reporting for our databases, basically
1103. # [20:34] <Archaeopteryx> Thunderbird's repository
1104. # [20:36] * NeilAway actually got 50% without even opening mail, needs to remember to track that down
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1106. # [20:38] <jcranmer|away> I should finish up my mork reporter
1107. # [20:38] <Ms2ger> Heh, mork
1108. # [20:39] <jcranmer|away> actually, I have an idea for a transition plan away from it
1109. # [20:39] <Ms2ger> \o/
1110. # [20:39] * jcranmer|away is now known as jcranmer
1111. # [20:39] <jcranmer> it just gets to go in my queue after rm -rf'ing libmime
1112. # [20:39] <jcranmer> and probably post-fix-compose
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1130. # [20:59] <Ms2ger> RyanVM++
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1135. # [21:06] <jcranmer> okay, I need better namesfor my patches
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1137. # [21:08] <Archaeopteryx> your patches or your queues?
1138. # [21:09] <Ms2ger> Name them after random cities
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1141. # [21:09] <jcranmer> I have five patches that start with "mimeconverter-" and I was trying to remember which one I wanted
1142. # [21:10] <@khuey> mimeconverter-diaf
1143. # [21:10] <jcranmer> ?
1144. # [21:11] <@khuey> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=D.I.A.F.
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1148. # [21:14] <Ms2ger> mimeconverter-Copenhagen
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1151. # [21:18] <@smaug> anyone going to merge m-i to m-c soon?
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1155. # [21:20] <jcranmer> khuey: it's headerparser that dies in a fire, not mimeconverter
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1166. # [21:34] <jcranmer> is it sad that I have 20 patches just to reimplement two interfaces?
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1169. # [21:35] <Archaeopteryx> use hg qfold *runs*
1170. # [21:36] * jcranmer sighs at self-bitrotting
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1174. # [21:41] <jcranmer> I'm sure my reviewers would love reviewing patches that are +3812/-4852
1175. # [21:42] <Archaeopteryx> more lines removed than added, for sure they'd do
1176. # [21:42] <jcranmer> okay, I should be fair
1177. # [21:42] <jcranmer> +609 come from patches that aren't related
1178. # [21:42] <jcranmer> just as an artifact of how I ordered the queue
1179. # [21:43] <wg9s> jcranmer: Silly me misread this as 3812 people were for it and 4852 against it! ;-)
1180. # [21:44] <jcranmer> :-/, my patch queue is still only 510K
1181. # [21:44] * Ms2ger looks at his
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1183. # [21:44] <Ms2ger> 469 files changed, 11914 insertions(+), 16051 deletions(-)
1184. # [21:44] <jcranmer> 112 files here, but I'm only halfway through the job
1185. # [21:45] <jcranmer> of course, in a year or so, I'll have a nice -20K/+a few patch in my queue
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1187. # [21:45] <KWierso|Home> 0, 0, 0, here... The only way to win the game is to not play...
1188. # [21:45] <Ms2ger> KWierso|Home, love?
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1190. # [21:45] <KWierso|Home> close enough
1191. # [21:45] <Archaeopteryx> wg9s: you must be from the future, bug 48570 hasn't yet enabled the bikeshedding
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1197. # [21:48] <wg9s> Archaeopteryx: I am not at all following the refernce here.
1198. # [21:49] <KWierso|Home> wg9s: we can't tell how many are against a change because bugzilla doesn't allow anti-votes
1199. # [21:49] <KWierso|Home> :P
1200. # [21:49] <wg9s> OH
1201. # [21:49] <wg9s> I get it now.
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1204. # [21:51] <wg9s> Just like facebook only allows likes but not hates. ;-)
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1208. # [21:56] <wg9s> Of course my feleing is that at least for bugzilla.mozilla.org, we should just disable votes altogethere since they are ingnored anyway. just gives people an idea that something they do here might make a difference, where, in fact it does not.
1209. # [21:57] <evilpie> sometimes during idle time i look at bugs ordered by vote
1210. # [21:57] <Archaeopteryx> they should be renamed, a feature for subscribing to bugs and only get mails if then status changes is imho essential
1211. # [21:58] <Archaeopteryx> there are that many people who vote on js bugs?
1212. # [21:58] <wg9s> but the idea of voting makes it seem these bugs with more votes will have priority over others.
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1214. # [21:58] <jcranmer> evilpie: I keep a list of he highest-voe open bugs
1215. # [21:58] <wg9s> but that is not how bugs with a lot of votes are viewed by anyone with the ability to fix them
1216. # [21:59] <jcranmer> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=runnamed&namedcmd=high-vote%20TB%20bugs&list_id=5949167
1217. # [21:59] <evilpie> jcranmer: good idea, should get this into an app-tab!
1218. # [21:59] <wg9s> well then i guess votes have more weight than i thougt
1219. # [21:59] <wg9s> so then why dont we support MNG?
1220. # [21:59] <evilpie> jcranmer: i think you need to make that public?
1221. # [21:59] <evilpie> what is MNG?
1222. # [22:00] <jcranmer> evilpie: shared with canconfirm
1223. # [22:00] <evilpie> to be honest we even ignore the priority field from time to time
1224. # [22:00] <jcranmer> evilpie: the highest-vote bug in all of bugzilla
1225. # [22:00] <evilpie> i have canconfirm, editbugs, editbugs-team
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1227. # [22:01] <Archaeopteryx> evilpie: animated PNGs
1228. # [22:01] <jcranmer> oh, hey, xforms is getting up there
1229. # [22:02] <jcranmer> 640 votes to MNG's 699
1230. # [22:02] <evilpie> lol the js engine only has 34 bugs with more than 10 votes
1231. # [22:02] <Archaeopteryx> jcranmer: also can't access your search
1232. # [22:02] <jcranmer> it's a saved search
1233. # [22:02] <wg9s> which actually means xfaoms is probably more popular.
1234. # [22:02] <jcranmer> just look for "hig-vote TB bugs" in the list of saved searchs
1235. # [22:03] <jcranmer> votes are heavily correlated with how difficult a feature is to implement
1236. # [22:03] <wg9s> mng had a huge political campaign asking people to vote for the bug.
1237. # [22:03] <jcranmer> heh
1238. # [22:04] <jcranmer> "Remove CNNIC CA" has 208 votes
1239. # [22:04] <evilpie> maybe we should reconsider web-p?
1240. # [22:05] <jcranmer> dbaron had a good blog post about why ordering priority by bug votes is stupid
1241. # [22:05] <@dbaron> I think there was a slashdot post asking people to vote for the xforms bug
1242. # [22:05] <wg9s> but then mng also had the we gave you the code you acdepted it now it does nto work we are not going to help you fix it issue.
1243. # [22:06] <@dbaron> jcranmer, but that was about priority by age
1244. # [22:06] <jcranmer> hmm, maybe I'm misremembering hen
1245. # [22:06] <KWierso|Home> http://dbaron.org/log/20090120-bug-priorities
1246. # [22:06] <jcranmer> I wrote one about some idiot orderings in TB's vote order list
1247. # [22:07] <@dbaron> I was thinking about http://dbaron.org/log/20080515-age-of-bugs
1248. # [22:07] <jcranmer> which would imply that we shouldn't bother fixing any AB issues until we had better support for binary newsgroups
1249. # [22:08] <jcranmer> votes are pretty much a way to let users vent :-)
1250. # [22:09] <evilpie> does this work https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&remaction=run&namedcmd=Votes%20greater%20than%2050&sharer_id=393835&list_id=5949262
1251. # [22:10] <Archaeopteryx> evilpie: works
1252. # [22:10] <KWierso|Home> evilpie: yes, but it doesn't actually list each bug's vote count
1253. # [22:10] <wg9s> jcranmer: yes bugs with a lot of votes are the same ones that have so many useless comments that their likelihood of being resolved is very close to zero.
1254. # [22:10] <evilpie> okay let me figure out how to get the vote column
1255. # [22:10] <WeirdAl> we should really allow votes to expire
1256. # [22:11] <Archaeopteryx> and how to sort
1257. # [22:11] <WeirdAl> after a couple years, an issue might be less important to the voter
1258. # [22:11] <Archaeopteryx> "have your say, vote every 4 years"
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1260. # [22:12] <jcranmer> wg9s: well, it's more that really old bugs tend to accumulate more votes due to timeframe
1261. # [22:12] <jcranmer> wg9s: in the top 10 vote counts, only two bugs have 6-digit bug numbers
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1263. # [22:13] <evilpie> okay was that change only local?
1264. # [22:13] <wg9s> jcranmer: it is far more useful to try to fix and attach a patch than to vote.
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1266. # [22:13] <evilpie> i guess i only added votes to my result list now :/
1267. # [22:14] <Archaeopteryx> wg9s: unfortunately, it's also far more difficult
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1269. # [22:14] <jcranmer> granted, the CardDAV bug is one where I would actually say "this should be implemented" by its vote count
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1272. # [22:14] <jcranmer> (and the only reason it hasn't been yet is because we're rewriting the address book from scratch)
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1274. # [22:15] <evilpie> bug 63687 is curious
1275. # [22:17] <evilpie> woot somebody is actually working on gtk3 porting
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1277. # [22:17] <wg9s> Archaeopteryx: not really, I have fixed issues for people who had no idea how to fix it themselves who could explain their issue on irc and explain why this was a usefully fix. even if it was not something that I was really interested in fixing for myself.
1278. # [22:18] <evilpie> imagine you could create page where people could fund you for fixing their personal annoyance with firefox
1279. # [22:19] <Archaeopteryx> some people hire other people to fix bugs
1280. # [22:19] <wg9s> Yes and pay me with beer! :-)
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1283. # [22:23] <Archaeopteryx> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=178506#c98 paid 12 USD/hour in late 2009
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1293. # [22:31] <@dolske> heh. didn't that eventually get fixed and then backed out? :)
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1299. # [22:33] <wg9s> dolske: You know I think you are correct!
1300. # [22:33] <@dolske> It's been known to happen.
1301. # [22:35] <wg9s> dolske: I have actually been right on occasion. ;-)
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1303. # [22:37] <wg9s> dolske: also too bad we stopped doing the Summit's I really think we would get along better if we went out for beer together.
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1305. # [22:41] <Archaeopteryx> wg9s: you might be interested in https://groups.google.com/d/msg/mozilla.reps.council/wBcQZQP4H1w/KDIJWoUAMIUJ and its replies
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1307. # [22:43] <wg9s> Archaeopteryx: yes since previously it sounded like the entire sumit idea had been abandoned.
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1310. # [22:45] <wg9s> Archaeopteryx: hopefully i do not piss people off before going so I dont get invited.
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1315. # [22:49] <jcranmer> I think I would prefer a summer date
1316. # [22:49] <jcranmer> simply because I am less likely to miss class
1317. # [22:50] <wg9s> I had the opposite issue in 2010, got invited and it actually had a negative impact on me fixing and issue I was working on that was going to block getting firefox 4 released.
1318. # [22:50] <wg9s> I had to keep going back to my room and firing off builds between sessions to try to test fixes for the issue.
1319. # [22:51] <evilpie> i was to unproductive during work week :)
1320. # [22:51] <wg9s> but it was still great to be invited. and i did mange to get the issue fixed, so it all worked out.
1321. # [22:52] <jcranmer> except that we might have a research group meeting on July 15-19
1322. # [22:54] <wg9s> last time was just after July 4th weekend
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1324. # [22:56] <jcranmer> the link you had said possibly July 18-July 21
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1326. # [22:59] <Archaeopteryx> latest date in that discussion is october
1327. # [23:00] <jcranmer> yeah
1328. # [23:00] <wg9s> \the bug that was the issue was Bug 575245
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1330. # [23:00] <jcranmer> I shouldn't speculate until official information comes out
1331. # [23:00] <wg9s> was really a huge issue
1332. # [23:01] <wg9s> that i did not realize was an issue till i was stuck at the summit, making it hard to work on it.
1333. # [23:01] <evilpie> we also need some ideas which releases we are going to celebrate bigger
1334. # [23:01] <wg9s> but like I said it all worked out.
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1339. # [23:10] <wg9s> I think somehow Firefox OS is something that needs to be celebrated. Not sure how i helped, execpt that I did do work on getting android builds working (but not really on b2g)
1340. # [23:10] <wg9s> So not sure on what basis I soud be invited.
1341. # [23:11] <wg9s> should
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1344. # [23:12] <evilpie> "I am awesome"
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1346. # [23:12] <KWierso|Home> ^
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