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# [00:26] <Waldo> njn: I'm sure the clang people would be interested in the testcase that produced the error, if you could recreate it
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# [00:32] <mayhemer> no mochitests on fedora/64?
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# [00:33] <philor> nope, they moved to Ubuntu
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# [00:46] <we11ington> roc: Ping
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# [01:01] <mbrubeck> http://limpet.net/mbrubeck/images/robocop.jpg
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# [01:03] <@smaug> vlad: ping
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# [01:04] <vlad> smaug: pong
# [01:05] <vlad> smaug: hey, good timing, I was going to ping you tonight/tomorrow :)
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# [01:06] <@smaug> vlad: what is GDC?
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# [01:07] <vlad> game developers' conference
# [01:07] <@smaug> vlad: and so far I haven't even looked at that pointer lock bug, since other stuff still to do
# [01:08] <vlad> ok, anything higher priority? getting pointer lock (especially pointer-lock in non-fullscreen) is pretty key
# [01:08] <vlad> and we only have about a week to do it in (conference starts two weeks from tomorrow)
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# [01:09] <@smaug> vlad: well, getting webidl bindings for all the events it pretty high priority for me
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# [01:09] <@smaug> and doing reviews
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# [01:09] <@smaug> vlad: so there isn't much stuff I could really do later
# [01:09] <mbrubeck> philor: Is all this Android talos red a new problem that is contributing to the tree closure, or just normal old cranky tegras?
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# [01:09] <@smaug> vlad: problem is that I'll be in Paris next week
# [01:10] <@smaug> work week
# [01:10] <@smaug> though, hmm
# [01:10] <@smaug> that won't affect to what I do
# [01:10] <@smaug> except that need to discuss about snappy things too
# [01:10] <vlad> do you think it'll take a while?
# [01:10] <vlad> we mostly already have the various bits hooked together (e.g. hitting esc to break out)
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# [01:11] <vlad> it doesn't have to be perfect for the conference, but in nightly would be ideal (even if it's just nightly/beta and disabled if it ever makes it to aurora/release without additional fixes)
# [01:11] <@smaug> vlad: it takes couple of days, I think
# [01:12] <vlad> since I know there's other stuff, like alert() etc. needing to break out of pointer lock, not sure if that's already done
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# [01:12] <@smaug> vlad: curious, why you need that version of pointer lock?
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# [01:12] <@smaug> I mean, non-fullscreen
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# [01:13] <vlad> smaug: we have a bunch of games that really want mouselook without needing to fullscreen
# [01:13] <vlad> even bananabread really wants it, so that you can play in a window on the page
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# [01:16] <mbrubeck> RyanVM: I think we can reopen, unless this Android ts situation is something new.
# [01:16] <RyanVM> mbrubeck: i was hoping to ask philor about that
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# [01:16] <RyanVM> i'd also like a chance to actually star things up before reopening
# [01:16] <RyanVM> to make sure there's no other hidden gems
# [01:17] <@smaug> vlad: handling non-fullscreen pointer lock in a secure way can be just a bit tricky
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# [01:18] <mbrubeck> RyanVM: The robocop timeout on the "fix robocop timeouts" backout is also mild worrying
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# [01:18] <mbrubeck> though the all-green on tip is encouraging
# [01:18] <RyanVM> yeah, given the frequency before, I'm going to declare victory on that one
# [01:19] <RyanVM> in general, android has been hitting a lot more timeouts the last couple days
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# [01:19] <RyanVM> which as a whole is worrying
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# [01:21] <mattwoodrow> RyanVM: Do you want me to close bug 769975, or wait a few days for the fix to get to all branches and confirm that it's gone
# [01:22] <decoder> tree, Y U NO OPEN :(
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# [01:22] <RyanVM> decoder: too many people throwing h8 at Android
# [01:22] <@khuey> android deserves it
# [01:22] <decoder> make love not h8
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# [01:22] <RyanVM> mattwoodrow: close when it hits m-c and use the status flags for the branch tracking
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# [01:23] <RyanVM> khuey: we have our own OS now, can't we just ditch Android?
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# [01:23] <@khuey> srsly
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# [01:24] <RyanVM> decoder: I'm starring up android now
# [01:24] <RyanVM> decoder: hopefully won't be long before we can reopen
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# [01:27] <philor> RyanVM: 50-90% failure on ts is pretty much new today and new to inbound
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# [01:27] <decoder> RyanVM: cool =)
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# [01:27] <decoder> philor: thanks for tracking down why asan builds broke btw =)
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# [01:29] <RyanVM> philor: then we'll keep digging
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# [01:30] <philor> looks like we last hit that for ts on the 7th, so normal is more like 1/5th of an instance per day
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# [01:32] <philor> and then there's beta's bustage
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# [01:33] <RyanVM> philor: on the whole, android seems to be hitting the 2400s timeout a lot the last couple days
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# [01:36] <RyanVM> philor: looks like the ts red is fairly recent at least
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# [01:38] <philor> RyanVM: yeah, as long as the start isn't in one of the patches of red, or the patches of coalesced
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# [01:38] <RyanVM> unpossible :P
# [01:39] <RyanVM> like the robocop timeouts?
# [01:39] <RyanVM> hey, at least my shot in the dark guess was right!
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# [01:41] <bholley> bsmedberg: ping
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# [01:46] <Cwiiis> RyanVM, bug 846772 got backed out because of an unexpected test pass? :/
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# [01:47] <RyanVM> Cwiiis: gah
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# [01:48] <RyanVM> Cwiiis: sorry, trying to fight too many fires
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# [01:49] <Cwiiis> RyanVM, that's cool, I guess I'll just land this tomorrow
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# [01:49] <RyanVM> with a fixed manifest :)
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# [01:50] <Cwiiis> I guess it's nice it fixes a test, though I bet it's another subpixel alignment difference that should've been fuzzed instead of marked as failing...
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# [01:50] <RyanVM> a safe bet
# [01:50] <mbrubeck> It's a fails-if(small-screen) test
# [01:51] <mbrubeck> so maybe it just needed the extra screen space?
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# [01:51] <mbrubeck> not sure if your patch affects the size of the <browser>
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# [01:51] <Cwiiis> mbrubeck, right, must be (it does)
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# [01:52] <Cwiiis> mbrubeck, though we actually have a 'small-screen' case? And how is that determined?
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# [01:53] <mbrubeck> Cwiiis: yup... http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/layout/reftests/svg/smil/transform/reftest.list#17
# [01:53] <mbrubeck> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/layout/tools/reftest/reftest.js#540
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# [01:53] <Cwiiis> RyanVM, looks like backing out bug 849845 and 849958 didn't fix the ts timeouts? Or am I reading that wrong? Will they get re-landed?
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# [01:54] <mbrubeck> I like how we call gBrowser.getBoundingClientRect() a few lines earlier and then just ignore the result
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# [01:55] <Cwiiis> mbrubeck, so is that code just broken? Or is the fails-if case in that manifest not quite right?
# [01:55] <mbrubeck> Cwiiis: The backout fixed the robocop timeouts
# [01:55] <RyanVM> Cwiiis: the timeouts were real and fixed by the backout
# [01:55] <Cwiiis> ah, ok :/ hmm...
# [01:56] <mbrubeck> Cwiiis: it's looking at the window size instead of the <browser> size, which explains why it didn't automatically adapt to your patch
# [01:56] <RyanVM> they weren't finishing at all previously
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# [01:57] <mbrubeck> Cwiiis: And I guess your patch pushed the <browser> past some failure threshold for this particular test... so you should be able to just remove that fails-if annotation when you re-land your patch.
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# [01:57] <Cwiiis> mbrubeck, okidokes, will do
# [01:57] <Cwiiis> I'd best write a note, I'm not going to remember this conversation when I wake up tomorrow :p
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# [02:00] <Cwiiis> Right, well will fix that tomorrow morning I suppose... Ah well, one more day won't hurt
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# [02:05] <Cwiiis> mbrubeck, could I consider removing that fails-if an r+ from you?
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# [02:09] <reyre_mac> does anyone know why i would get this error on mac when trying to build with ./mach build ? http://pastebin.mozilla.org/2213170
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# [02:13] <dholbert> reyre_mac, never seen that before, but perhaps you don't have enough memory and your system is paging & taking too long?
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# [02:14] <dholbert> reyre_mac, linking takes several gigs of memory -- how much RAM do you have?
# [02:14] <dholbert> *linking libxul
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# [02:18] <Cwiiis> mbrubeck, ping?
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# [02:22] <philor> reyre_mac: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/config/utils.py#68 looks like that should be a stray lock file from some other PID, like some previous build that didn't go well
# [02:22] <philor> clobber to the rescue!
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# [02:22] <dholbert> oh, or that
# [02:23] <dholbert> thanks philor
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# [02:23] <reyre_mac> philor: yea i think that is what happened, was trying to build and it hit a segfault which made ff hang
# [02:23] <reyre_mac> wouldn't close after wards
# [02:23] <reyre_mac> thanks philor and dholbert : )
# [02:23] <dholbert> np :)
# [02:23] <dholbert> happy to mis-diagnose ;)
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# [02:24] <reyre_mac> heh : )
# [02:24] <Cwiiis> mbrubeck, cancel ping, got r+ from jwatt
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# [02:28] <Cwiiis> RyanVM, is the tree going to be reopened soon? The gamepad patch causes the ts timeouts because of that exception, the rest are fine (and I got an r+ on un-failing that test)
# [02:28] <Cwiiis> also, sorry for causing that failure :)
# [02:28] <RyanVM> Cwiiis: the timeouts are still happening on tip...?
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# [02:28] <seth> do our mutexes detect if you try to re-lock a lock you already hold, at least in debug mode?
# [02:29] <Cwiiis> RyanVM, oh, so I guess there were two problems? :/
# [02:29] <philor> at an absolute minimum
# [02:29] <RyanVM> retriggers appear to be pointing at 948da26ff5a0
# [02:30] <RyanVM> which certainly looks like a possibility
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# [02:30] <bnicholson> java.lang.IllegalArgumentException: Make sure the SurfaceView or associated SurfaceHolder has a valid Surface
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# [02:30] <bnicholson> that may be the exception causing the ts failures?
# [02:30] <Cwiiis> RyanVM, looks quite likely
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# [02:31] <tbsaunde> seth: in debug mode there is a dead lock detector, but I'm not absolutely sure it gets that case
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# [02:31] <tbsaunde> seth: otherwise Mutex is just a C++ wrapper around PRLock which doesn't check that
# [02:32] <seth> tbsaunde: you'd hope a deadlock detector would catch that but i wish i knew for sure..
# [02:32] <tbsaunde> seth: yeah, I just know nothing about it so don't want to make any promises
# [02:33] <seth> tbsaunde: i notice B2G has tests for it so hopefully the answer is yes, unless they use different mutexes there
# [02:33] <RyanVM> Cwiiis: go to bed :)
# [02:33] <tbsaunde> seth: I think bsmedberg is adding such a "SafeMutex"
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# [02:34] <tbsaunde> seth: what tests are these?
# [02:34] <Cwiiis> RyanVM, Yeah, I should just do that... Was hoping to catch the next m-c merge though, so if it's not too long till the tree reopens, I'll take my chances :)
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# [02:36] <RyanVM> Cwiiis: odds are good I'll be doing the next merge, and that won't be until late morning EST probably
# [02:36] <Unfocused> jlebar: your comment in bug 846019 confuses me (regarding putting the addon name in a separate field) - isn't that just putting the burden on every other tool?
# [02:36] <seth> tbsaunde: actually my bad, they're not just in B2G. xpcom/tests/TestDeadlockDetector.cpp. look at line 259, "Stupidest possible deadlock"
# [02:36] <philor> and minimum time to open now is just under 2 hours
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# [02:37] <tbsaunde> seth: ah cool :)
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# [02:41] <Cwiiis> RyanVM, got all my patches fixed now, will have a cup of tea and if the tree is still closed I'll get some sleep :)
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# [03:46] <philor> only seven backouts?
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# [03:54] <RyanVM> i'll try to do better tomorrow :(
# [03:55] <njn> RyanVM: those android ts results are looking good
# [03:55] <RyanVM> njn: feeling optimistic :)
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# [03:57] <RyanVM> inbound's open
# [03:57] <RyanVM> be nice to philor
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# [03:59] <njn> FIRST POST!
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# [03:59] * njn wonders if philor et al keep track of who breaks the tree the most
# [04:00] <RyanVM> i have a mental list of frequent offenders
# [04:00] <njn> a.k.a. "the sheriff shitlist"
# [04:00] <jcranmer> thankfully I'm not on that list :-)
# [04:00] <njn> RyanVM: the ratio of landed patches to burning trees would be quite interesting
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# [04:00] <philor> no, honey, we hate and fear all our children just the same
# [04:01] <jcranmer> I just seem to be on the reviewer shitlist based on my average turnaround time in review requests
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# [04:01] <RyanVM> holy crap, Cwiiis actually stayed up to push
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# [04:01] <Cwiiis> :)
# [04:01] <njn> "Our SS score on AWFY regressed by 7% over the weekend, due to DST in the US and Canada"
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# [04:02] * RyanVM can't wait to wake up to the backout push in the morning :P
# [04:02] * njn doesn't know whether to laugh or cry
# [04:02] <RyanVM> njn: I lulled
# [04:02] <njn> "Given the way the DST cache works, there's a chance this delta will go away in
# [04:02] <njn> a month or so. It would be interesting for someone to test with system time
# [04:02] <njn> adjusted to May or so to see if the problem shows up then."
# [04:02] <njn> die, sunspider, die
# [04:03] <Cwiiis> RyanVM, these should be pretty safe - the same patches as before but with that test fails-if removed and I fixed the exception in the test that caused ts to fail and tested that locally - if that fails, I guess it just wasn't meant to be tonight...
# [04:03] <Cwiiis> RyanVM, apologies in advance if I've ballsed anything up though
# [04:04] <philor> I'm more prone to keep track of who is never around on IRC after they've pushed, to ask "is it possible that..."
# [04:04] <RyanVM> Cwiiis: don't apologize to me, I'll be in bed :)
# [04:04] <Cwiiis> heh :) Well apologies to whoever has to sort it out, but I think it'll be fine :)
# [04:05] <philor> yay, 15 patches of b2g tests, nothing could go wrong there
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# [04:06] <njn> philor: I only landed two patches. You can call me "Mr Cautious"
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# [04:07] <tbsaunde> philor: are you sure you didn't mean right? ;)
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# [04:08] <RyanVM> only 39 csets landed since I reopened
# [04:08] <RyanVM> have fun, philor :)
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# [04:08] <philor> maybe I'll just go ahead and start filing the "timed out after " bugs on those tests now
# [04:08] <RyanVM> 44, there we go!
# [04:09] <njn> just re-close the tree again :P
# [04:10] <philor> don't think I haven't thought about "CLOSED. That's enough for now."
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# [04:17] <philor> it's a wonder anyone ever runs tests locally - it's only been a few weeks since we stopped running reftests and crashtests on Fedora, and we've already broken them
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# [04:21] <blassey> so... I updated my tree
# [04:21] <blassey> and now my build fails with "../../../dist/include/mozilla/Compiler.h:20:4: error: #error "mfbt (and Gecko) require at least gcc 4.4 to build." "
# [04:22] <blassey> but as far as I can tell gcc 4.4 isn't available for 10.7
# [04:22] <blassey> osx 10.7
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# [04:22] <blassey> anyone have any thoughts on that?
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# [04:22] <njn> blassey: clang
# [04:22] <Callek> blassey: Firefox or Fennec?
# [04:23] <blassey> fennec
# [04:23] <blassey> this is some host binaries
# [04:23] <JonathanS> blassey, Apple will not update GCC to the latest version
# [04:23] <Callek> blassey: give me a sec, I remember seeing a bug within the last day or two
# [04:23] <blassey> ok
# [04:23] * Callek has no idea how he knows this one
# [04:23] <JonathanS> Callek, who?
# [04:24] <blassey> the script here isn't any help https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Developer_Guide/Build_Instructions/Mac_OS_X_Prerequisites
# [04:25] <JonathanS> blassey, I see "Firefox no longer builds with gcc 4.2, but the build system should automatically select clang if it is available in the PATH."
# [04:26] <Callek> blassey: sooo I'm seeing what I saw was Bug 850089, which doesn't look like your issue, (saw as a result of Bug 850136, fwiw)
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# [04:32] <jcranmer> Callek: I redirected a c-c build-config review request to you
# [04:32] <Callek> jcranmer: is it an easy or hard one?
# [04:32] <Callek> if easy I can skim it now, if hard it might wait a bit more than a week
# [04:32] <Callek> (just fair warning)
# [04:33] <jcranmer> Callek: it's about 2 lines of code and ought to be reviewed before tomorrow morning
# [04:33] <jcranmer> Callek: bug 850389
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# [04:33] <Callek> jcranmer: ahh is this a "we'll break if we don't land" :-)
# [04:33] <jcranmer> yes
# [04:33] <Callek> ok, on it
# [04:34] <Callek> (thanks gps for patch)
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# [05:09] <philor> meanwhile, on mozilla-central, it's a merge from a tree with 13 unstarred failures, several of which are unknown, this should go well
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# [05:11] <@roc> wow, Alice identified a regression from December 2006
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# [05:12] <philor> a fearsome collection of builds
# [05:13] <philor> and a complete willingness to use them
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# [05:31] <dholbert> billm, ping
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# [05:39] <dholbert> billm, unping, posted on bug
# [05:40] <dholbert> ( https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=846890#c21 )
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# [05:50] <philor> [@ js::types::TypeCompartment::fixObjectType(JSContext*, JSObject*)]
# [05:50] <philor> don't make me hunt you down
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# [05:53] * mbrubeck votes for benjamin
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# [05:56] <romaxa_> ted: glandium: is there are way to override configure variables similar to confvars.sh ?
# [05:56] <romaxa_> ted: glandium: some mozconfig options or something like that?
# [05:58] <mbrubeck> You can export environment variables directly in mozconfig, or in your shell environment...
# [05:59] <mbrubeck> romaxa: Like these ones in the nightly mozconfigs: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/b2g/config/mozconfigs/linux32_gecko/nightly#26
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# [06:08] <romaxa_> mbrubeck: it does not work, that need to be exported after http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/configure.in#4271
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# [06:17] <philor> no sleeping just when the fickle finger of breaking cross site xhr points back to you!
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# [06:20] <philor> so, decoder broke b2g xpcshell, with jseng tests, and mbrubeck caused jseng crashes in xhr with metro UI?
# [06:20] <philor> looking good!
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# [06:35] <philor> meanwhile, on mozilla-central, it's obvious-merge-bustage
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# [06:37] <philor> and, oh joyous joy of joys, the source of the js::types::TypeCompartment::fixObjectType crash?
# [06:37] <philor> "Merge m-c to inbound"
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# [06:42] <philor> does just backing out every cset in a merge work?
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# [07:36] <philor> bhaaaaaaackett!
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# [07:47] <philor> rnewman: or is that just a bonus?
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# [08:04] <rnewman> philor: probably just a bonus :D
# [08:05] <rnewman> excellent, I made the code more thorough and it revealed bugs!
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# [08:06] <rnewman> philor: backing that out
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# [08:06] <philor> rnewman: no hurry
# [08:07] <philor> retriggers are running, and we're not reopening until I've got 20 or so green debug M1's on the tip
# [08:07] <philor> where I don't yet have builds
# [08:08] <rnewman> done anyway; I don't have time right now to fix it
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# [08:10] <rnewman> need me to star those, philor?
# [08:10] <philor> rnewman: nah, I'll get them, thanks
# [08:10] <rnewman> ta
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# [08:19] <philor> thanks for eating my retriggers, pesky keepalives, that really helped
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# [10:00] <Optimizer> if there is a new idl that was added, then what partial location should I choose to build firefox now ?
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# [10:49] <Optimizer> sooo lonenly
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# [10:51] <mib_ozvz0t> Hi, I am trying to build firefox for the first time. i get an error and the build fails. I've attatched the output contents. Please help in clearing the error http://mibpaste.com/oD2SN1
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# [10:51] <mib_wjedk0> Have you a proper version of g++ for compiling this code?
# [10:52] <mib_wjedk0> Well, wait
# [10:52] <mib_wjedk0> You have explicitly printed what went wrong
# [10:52] <mib_wjedk0> configure: error: Microsoft (R) Manifest Tool must be in your $PATH.
# [10:52] <mib_wjedk0> Have you checked it?
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# [10:53] <padenot> mib_wjedk0: have you installed mozilla-build.exe ?
# [10:54] <mib_wjedk0> If you are asking me if I have built my Mozilla from the source code or I have installed ready package, I have done the latter
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# [10:54] <mib_ozvz0t> mozilla-build exe, yes. As far as Microsoft (R) Manifest tool, i have no idea where it resides. (I cant find it in C:\Program Files). Is that something that comes with Visual C++ ?
# [10:55] <mib_wjedk0> Wait, I will try to check
# [10:55] <mib_wjedk0> It is in Program Files
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# [10:56] <mib_wjedk0> fat-c/Program Files/Mozilla Firefox
# [10:56] <mib_ozvz0t> Guess i need to install that. Also please list the necessary path variables that need to be set.
# [10:57] <edmorley> mib_ozvz0t: I would imagine your visual studio install is missing some components
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# [10:57] <edmorley> did you do a custom install and uncheck items?
# [10:59] <mib_ozvz0t> No. I used the web installer though. Will try reinstall using iso.
# [10:59] <edmorley> paul: ping
# [11:00] <mib_wjedk0> It shouldn't matter, I worked with Visual C++ installed from the web and it worked fine with everything what was intended for it
# [11:00] <Optimizer> edmorley: 3 am for him. is it regarding toolbox_window_shortcut test ?
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# [11:01] <edmorley> Optimizer: I thought it might be, but the lack of |away made me think it worth a try
# [11:01] <edmorley> Optimizer: it's about the permaorange he merged onto m-c
# [11:01] <Optimizer> nobody in devtools use that notation :P
# [11:02] <edmorley> yeah, IRC sucks for availability state management
# [11:02] * Optimizer sees
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# [11:02] <Optimizer> where ?
# [11:02] <mib_wjedk0> http://mozilla.6506.n7.nabble.com/Mozilla-Firefox-Build-Failed-td217497.html - is it post by you, mib_ozvz0t ?
# [11:02] <edmorley> winxp mochitest-chrome
# [11:02] <edmorley> and win7
# [11:03] <mib_ozvz0t> if VC++ is not the problem, maybe i shld reinstall sdk? .This question in the link says so: http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/Vsexpressvc/thread/bac02e6f-fda7-4d5d-9f5b-a70a2c4725be/
# [11:03] <edmorley> the new test landed by bug 847890
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# [11:03] <Optimizer> the oth ?
# [11:03] <mib_wjedk0> mib_ozvz0t, the post indicated by me is written by you?
# [11:03] <edmorley> weird thing is that it merged back to fx-team but isn't orange there
# [11:03] <edmorley> Optimizer: yes
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# [11:03] <Optimizer> ok I see
# [11:03] <Optimizer> i assume that devtools workweek is in progress :)
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# [11:04] <edmorley> Optimizer: oth = (mochitest-chrome,mochitest-ally, mochitest-plugins)
# [11:04] <Optimizer> I know, but I don't remember most of the time :)
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# [11:04] <edmorley> (the lower tbpl panel that lists the test/pass counts mentions suite names - is how I remind myself)
# [11:05] <Optimizer> speaking of suite names
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# [11:05] <Optimizer> is there a try syntax for running tests on windows 8
# [11:05] <edmorley> Optimizer: I'm not sure, 302 armen
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# [11:06] <mib_ozvz0t> No not by me although it is the exact same problem
# [11:06] <Optimizer> edmorley: you guys ahave status code fetish :P
# [11:06] <edmorley> Optimizer: though given that we only currently make one windows binary and test it on both win7 and winxp, I imagine you might just have to ask for all 3
# [11:06] <mib_wjedk0> Well, try to execute mt.exe by hand and tell if it works at all
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# [11:06] <Optimizer> edmorley: see, for windows xp and 7 I use -p win64, win32
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# [11:07] <Optimizer> but that never includes windows 8
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# [11:07] <edmorley> Optimizer: is win8 even running on Try yet? I thought not
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# [11:08] <Optimizer> maybe that is the reason
# [11:08] <edmorley> Optimizer: it isn't on try https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&showall=1&jobname=WINNT
# [11:08] <mib_wjedk0> I have found the code which generates such the error here: https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/ooo/trunk/main/moz/patches/embed_manifest.patch
# [11:08] <mib_wjedk0> although it can be implemented a bit different in Mozilla
# [11:08] <edmorley> Optimizer: cedar only for now iirc https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Cedar
# [11:09] <mib_wjedk0> anyway, you should be able to figure out what is lacking with careful analysis of a suitable script
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# [11:10] <mib_wjedk0> Perhaps it is caused by the fact that your $PATH is not appropriately exported?
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# [11:10] <mib_wjedk0> and pay your attention to following comment:
# [11:11] <mib_wjedk0> # ensure that mt.exe is Microsoft (R) Manifest Tool and not magnetic tape manipulation utility (or something else)
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# [11:12] <mib_wjedk0> By the way, If I may have one wish about Mozilla then I would like to have seen security standards increased
# [11:12] <mib_ozvz0t> i do think it is about the path variables. Can anyone list the absolute necessary path that need to be set?
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# [11:13] <mib_wjedk0> I can't, I am working on Unix now, but can you give your $PATH?
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# [11:15] <mib_ozvz0t> c:\mozilla-build;C:\Program Files\Microsoft SDKs\Windows\v7.0A\bin; and i added the last path for mt.exe
# [11:15] <mib_wjedk0> OK, type mt.exe
# [11:16] <mib_wjedk0> Or mt, as far as I remember the extension shouldn't be there
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# [11:17] <mib_ozvz0t> etc etc
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# [11:17] <mib_wjedk0> Have you already tried to compile with that PATH being set?
# [11:17] <mib_ozvz0t> yes
# [11:17] <mib_ozvz0t> although it does look wierd that there are only two path variables set?
# [11:18] <mib_wjedk0> What do you mean?
# [11:18] <mib_wjedk0> Have you set your PATH in console?
# [11:20] <mib_wjedk0> Hm
# [11:20] <mib_wjedk0> I have one idea
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# [11:21] <mib_wjedk0> Try to set PATH in suitable shell script
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# [11:23] <mib_wjedk0> The situation resembles that when PATH in Unix is set but not exported to external environment. Perhaps it is somewhat about this.
# [11:23] <Optimizer> edmorley: you have to backout 723281 too
# [11:25] <@smaug> mib_wjedk0: "security standards increased" ?
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# [11:26] <mib_wjedk0> Yes, what I mean is a minute detail, but to me it is important and it should be realized in an another way:
# [11:26] <edmorley> Optimizer: ta
# [11:27] <mib_wjedk0> When you go to ICQ chatrooms and so on, it is a common situation that your username is put there automatically
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# [11:28] <mib_wjedk0> Sometimes it contributes to the increase in risk being attacked less or more seriously
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# [11:30] <mib_wjedk0> Second issue, the Mozilla is set so that it is practically trivial to guess your location (what many pages do) and it is sometimes not desired
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# [11:31] <mib_wjedk0> However, to avoid that behaviour IP masking would have to be on all the time and it could cause a decrease of connections speed, so I am not sure if it would be a good idea to do so
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# [11:32] <mib_wjedk0> Although, generally, I am very glad with Mozilla
# [11:32] <mib_wjedk0> Thank you for doing a good job. It works some times faster than IE
# [11:32] <mib_wjedk0> Especially on Unix boxes.
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# [11:40] <mcsmurf> !seen paolo
# [11:41] <mcsmurf> !seen mcsmurf
# [11:41] <mcsmurf> no bot, no !seen looks like
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# [11:48] <mcsmurf> someone understands what "yield" exactly does? I'm having trouble understanding some JS test that uses it
# [11:49] <mcsmurf> I thought a function/generator called via "yield" must(?) return a promise
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# [11:49] <mcsmurf> basically I'm wondering about http://mxr.mozilla.org/comm-central/source/mozilla/toolkit/components/places/tests/unit/test_preventive_maintenance.js#1340
# [11:50] <mcsmurf> it calls "yield test.setup()" and setup() are a few normal JS functions, some of these contain other callls to "yield promiseSomething"
# [11:50] <mcsmurf> like this one http://mxr.mozilla.org/comm-central/source/mozilla/toolkit/components/places/tests/unit/test_preventive_maintenance.js#1265
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# [11:52] <mcsmurf> so when I'm inside a Task, do I need to call "yield ..." on every function inside that task that might/should block execution of task until the promise inside that function is resolved?
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# [11:54] <Optimizer> mcsmurf: geenrators are different from promises
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# [11:54] <Optimizer> yield basically remembers your location and enters the function from that point the next time it is called
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# [11:56] <mcsmurf> but what does it to in this case then?
# [11:57] <mcsmurf> of the setup function
# [11:57] <Optimizer> in that function, when setup will be called first time, it will return promiseAddVisits(..) and the next time when setup is called it will enter the function like the first yeild was not there
# [11:57] <Optimizer> although I don't know these tests, so I can't tell more about setup
# [11:59] <mcsmurf> and when the setup function does not include any call to a promise, what does yield then do?
# [11:59] <mcsmurf> just run setup like a normal JS function?
# [12:00] <mcsmurf> for example line 635
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# [12:02] <mcsmurf> I think yield needs a devmo article
# [12:02] <mcsmurf> actually I meant generator when I said promise..
# [12:02] <mcsmurf> *sigh*
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# [12:02] <Optimizer> https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/JavaScript/Guide/Iterators_and_Generators
# [12:03] <mcsmurf> I've read that one, but it did not help me that much regarding how yield is used in our tests
# [12:03] <Optimizer> in our tests is a different story
# [12:04] <Optimizer> you can check the head.js file corresponding to that directory
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# [12:04] <Optimizer> to know how they are called
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# [12:15] <edmorley> no firebot?
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# [12:34] <Optimizer> he is busy with the workweek
# [12:34] <Optimizer> or maybe dead
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# [12:37] <whimboo> ttaubert: good day! do you have a scan of the wired article? I was'nt able to buy one :(
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# [12:50] <decoder> whats the best way in bugzilla to search for a keyword like "testcase" but exclude "testcase-wanted"
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# [12:50] <decoder> do I really have to make two search criteria for that?
# [12:51] <edmorley> "matches regular expression"
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# [12:52] <decoder> hm.. does that apply to every single keyword or the keyword field as a text field?
# [12:53] * NeilAway sighs
# [12:53] <NeilAway> bugzilla interdiff patch 9 & 8? ok
# [12:54] <NeilAway> bugzilla interdiff patch 8 & 6? ok
# [12:54] <NeilAway> bugzilla interdiff patch 9 & 6? nope
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# [12:55] <Unfocused> yea :(
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# [12:58] <decoder> interesting
# [12:58] <decoder> I just opened an attachment in bugzilla
# [12:58] <decoder> with a long running script
# [12:58] <decoder> and slow script keeps popping up
# [12:58] <decoder> I say "stop script". 5 seconds later it's back again
# [12:58] <decoder> cant close the tab either
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# [13:06] <Optimizer> the checkin-neede keyword is enough for getting something landed on m-i ?
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# [13:10] <RyanVM> paul: ping
# [13:11] <RyanVM> Optimizer: yes
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# [13:11] <Optimizer> RyanVM: thats clever
# [13:11] <Optimizer> you just checked it in and replied :P
# [13:11] <RyanVM> we aim to please ;)
# [13:11] <Optimizer> <3
# [13:12] <Optimizer> ah well, I wanted it in m-i
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# [13:12] <RyanVM> yeah, I saw that after pushing it :P
# [13:12] <Optimizer> </3
# [13:12] <RyanVM> that stuff usually goes on fx-team
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# [13:12] <Optimizer> I know, but the failure was on m-i, so I wanted it to go there directly
# [13:12] <RyanVM> oh well, I'll merge fx-team to m-c later today
# [13:12] <Optimizer> moreover, fx-team is at permaorange right now
# [13:13] <RyanVM> if it's on inbound, it's on m-c and every other tree that pulls it
# [13:13] <Optimizer> as m-c -> fx-team did not happen after the backout from m-c
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# [13:13] <RyanVM> look at fx-team ;)
# [13:13] <RyanVM> sheesh, what do you take me for?
# [13:13] <Optimizer> oh you
# [13:13] <Optimizer> all blame to my feedmark
# [13:14] <Optimizer> :)
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# [13:14] <edmorley> RyanVM: I was going to wait until m-c tip was definitely green
# [13:15] <edmorley> but almost there, so shouldn't hurt :-)
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# [13:17] <RyanVM> Optimizer: honestly, it's likely to land faster on m-c via fx-team than inbound
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# [13:17] <RyanVM> edmorley: and last night had me actually thinking that two inbounds would be handy
# [13:17] <Optimizer> m-i merges less often than fx-team ?
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# [13:18] <RyanVM> it's less prone to bustage and closures
# [13:18] <Optimizer> I see
# [13:18] <Optimizer> got the point
# [13:18] <RyanVM> i had intended to do a second inbound->m-c merge last night but never could due to bustage
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# [13:19] <RyanVM> edmorley: with multiple inbounds, we could at least avoid the 46csets in 15min after the tree reopens crap
# [13:19] <RyanVM> and we got burned yesterday by test bustage landing on top of build bustage
# [13:19] <Optimizer> lol
# [13:19] <edmorley> true, but per our call with joduinn, conflicts are what has me concerned
# [13:20] <Optimizer> b2g - desktop - android
# [13:20] <Optimizer> these three can be separated out with very less chances of conflicts
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# [13:23] <edmorley> Optimizer: agree that they need splitting by team (though lot of overlap); inbound-{1,2,3} (which was what had been bounced around as an idea) wouldn't work as well imo
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# [13:26] <Unfocused> \o/ fx-team
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# [13:34] <Optimizer> Unfocused: ?
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# [13:36] <JosiahOne> If I delete an image, do hg add. Then add another image under the same name, and do hg add. Will my patch replace the image correctly.?
# [13:36] <Unfocused> Optimizer: obviously, fx-team wins. i don't know what, but we win it :P
# [13:36] <Optimizer> win what ? :S
# [13:37] <Optimizer> JosiahOne: name doesnot matter
# [13:37] <Optimizer> so yes
# [13:38] <JosiahOne> Optimizer: Wonderful. Thanks.
# [13:38] * Optimizer never knew Unfocused was also in fx-team
# [13:38] <Unfocused> orly?
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# [13:38] <Unfocused> well, i am :)
# [13:38] <Optimizer> william ?
# [13:38] <Unfocused> where'd you think i was?
# [13:38] <Optimizer> well m-c ?
# [13:39] <Unfocused> ...
# [13:39] <Optimizer> oh right, Now I remember your add-ons changes landing in fx-team
# [13:39] <Optimizer> :)
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# [13:42] <edmorley> RyanVM: burning on tip
# [13:42] <RyanVM> I think that's Gaia bustage
# [13:42] <RyanVM> b2g18 is burning too
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# [13:45] <edmorley> yeah I was struggling to see how it could have cause it on inbound; yey for multiple trees
# [13:45] <edmorley> s/trees/repos
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# [13:47] <RyanVM> so, do we close the trees?
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# [13:47] <RyanVM> fx'team is burning too
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# [13:49] <edmorley> RyanVM: I say yes
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# [13:52] <Optimizer> but its weird that any of the changes in the last green tree did not touch gaia on fx-team
# [13:53] <edmorley> Optimizer: I'm not sure what you mean?
# [13:54] <Optimizer> no gaia related changes after https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Fx-Team&rev=a9d191946bb2
# [13:54] <edmorley> Optimizer: it's a separate repo
# [13:55] <RyanVM> Optimizer: hence the breaking multiple trees at once
# [13:55] <Optimizer> so changes done to them are not visible on tbpl ?
# [13:55] <edmorley> correct
# [13:55] <edmorley> (and yey!)
# [13:56] <Optimizer> well, enjoy backing out then :)
# [13:56] <edmorley> RyanVM: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/gaia-central/rev/6e037b6f3340 I presume
# [13:57] <KaiRo> welcome to the new world of B2G and tbpl's inadequacy for multi-repo builds
# [13:57] <edmorley> I don't have gaia trees checked out, nor github permissions for them (nor the inclination to deal with them if I'm honest)
# [13:57] <RyanVM> edmorley: #b2g is working on it
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# [13:58] <KaiRo> Thunderbird and SeaMonkey teams have maoned for some time about tbpl not supporting multi-repo, now it also hits top-of-the-breed Mozilla products
# [13:59] <edmorley> seamonkey uses a fork of tbpl; but agree for thunderbird
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# [13:59] <edmorley> one of the goals of treeherder (the replacement for tbpl) is to support multi-repo, amongst other things
# [13:59] <KaiRo> edmorley: fork or not, it's the same code
# [14:00] <Optimizer> hope it does nto intermittently stop at 9% loading
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# [14:00] <edmorley> KaiRo: which seamonkey could patch if they so chose
# [14:01] <yzen> Yoric: hi, thanks for the review (848278), I updated the patch, let me know if there's anything else I can do :)
# [14:01] <KaiRo> edmorley: haha, I don't think anyone in the SeaMonkey project knows that code or has time to dig into it
# [14:01] * KaiRo always disliked tbpl anyhow and is glad he doesn't need to care about it for any product nowadays
# [14:01] <edmorley> KaiRo: agree, but I just mean it's not a case of "meany mozilla not supporting seamonkey" (like typically comes up)
# [14:02] <KaiRo> edmorley: I didn't say that, and it's been a long long time since that came up by any SM member, even if some people here wrongly think that's always the case
# [14:03] <edmorley> ok :-)
# [14:03] * KaiRo is also happy he's out of SeaMonkey just because he doesn't need to have himself ranted at by people ignoring everything besides FF-desktop
# [14:03] <edmorley> Optimizer: the 9% thing is due to build/releng issues meaning the TBPL client cannot load the json data sources - in the last few months I've added better error message support to TBPL, so if there is a failure, you should see which data source is failing to load in more cases now
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# [14:04] <KaiRo> nowadays I only get ranted at because I ask them to fix their crashes :p
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# [14:04] <Optimizer> I see
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# [14:04] <edmorley> KaiRo: hehe :-)
# [14:05] <KaiRo> :)
# [14:05] <edmorley> Optimizer: for treeherder, the intention is not to load 50% of the resources directly in the UI, and instead handle virtually everything else server side (perhaps not the treestatus calls; though TBD)
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# [14:23] <@ehsan> RyanVM: I retriggered gaia builds on inbound/central
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# [14:23] <@ehsan> to see if the fix pushed to gaia works
# [14:23] <RyanVM> ehsan: k
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# [14:30] <Yoric> yzen: Let's also ask froydnj if he has any additional ideas.
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# [14:30] <Yoric> He's the other owner of OS.File.
# [14:30] <yzen> Yoric: sure
# [14:30] <Yoric> And he generally has good ideas :)
# [14:30] <yzen> :)
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# [14:33] <edmorley> can anyone tell me in what group bug 833362 is?
# [14:33] <edmorley> f***ing hidden bugs when marking merges
# [14:33] <edmorley> :-)
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# [14:35] <glob> edmorley, yup, hang on
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# [14:35] <edmorley> glob: thank you :-)
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# [14:35] <RyanVM> edmorley: probably a wrong bug # in the commit message
# [14:35] <glob> edmorley, it's a typo'd bug number
# [14:36] <RyanVM> win
# [14:36] <edmorley> hehe
# [14:36] <glob> edmorley, that's a mozilla reps bug, budget request
# [14:36] <edmorley> glob: cool, ta :-)
# [14:36] <edmorley> RyanVM: and nicely predicted
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# [14:39] <edmorley> 844362 it would seem
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# [14:44] <yzen> Yoric: should I ask for a comment on the bug ?
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# [14:46] <Yoric> yzen: done :)
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# [14:47] <yzen> Yoric: thanks!
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# [14:52] <blassey> ../../../dist/include/mozilla/Compiler.h:20:4: error: #error "mfbt (and Gecko) require at least gcc 4.4 to build."
# [14:52] <blassey> can someone help me fix my build??
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# [14:53] <JosiahOne> blassey: Update GCC?
# [14:53] <blassey> how?
# [14:54] <JosiahOne> blassey: What platform you on?
# [14:54] <blassey> OSX
# [14:54] <blassey> 10.7
# [14:54] <JosiahOne> blassey: Odd...
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# [14:54] <JosiahOne> blassey: I'm on OS X and I never had to deal with this.
# [14:54] <blassey> there is no gcc 4.4 for OSX 10.7
# [14:54] <blassey> there's only 4.2.1
# [14:54] <blassey> and for 10.8 there is 4.6
# [14:55] <JosiahOne> blassey: Oh, well I'm on 10.8, so that must be the reason.
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# [14:55] <padenot> either use clang or install a newer gcc using brew or something
# [14:55] <blassey> yup
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# [14:55] <blassey> padenot: there is clang on the system
# [14:55] <JosiahOne> Yeah, I use clang.
# [14:55] <blassey> why isn't configure using it?
# [14:55] <jimm> edmorley: sorry, with inbound so messed up. didn't mean to throw a wrench in things.
# [14:55] <padenot> CC=clang CXX=clang++
# [14:55] <padenot> in the mozconfig
# [14:56] <edmorley> jimm: it's ok, easily fixed :-)
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# [14:56] <padenot> not sure why it is not picked up by the mozconfig, though
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# [14:56] <padenot> s/mozconfig/configure/
# [14:56] <blassey> well.. CC=arm-linux-androideabi-gcc
# [14:57] <blassey> so HOST_CC I guess
# [14:57] <padenot> ha yeah
# [14:57] <blassey> still...
# [14:57] <glandium> blassey: file a bug
# [14:57] <blassey> is no one else building on 10.7?
# [14:57] <glandium> blassey: the build system is stupid about host stuff
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# [14:57] <glandium> blassey: i think everyont uses a mozconfig with HOST_CC/CXX set
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# [14:58] <blassey> really?
# [14:58] <blassey> glandium: I don't think so
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# [14:59] <glandium> blassey: either that, or they have special symlink
# [14:59] <glandium> +s
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# [15:00] <glandium> blassey: maybe the fact you appear to have gcc 4.2 doesn't help. newer Xcode doesn't even have gcc
# [15:00] <blassey> glandium: I think the goal has always been to have a minimal mozconfig
# [15:01] <edmorley> !seen jwatt
# [15:01] <edmorley> bah no firebot
# [15:02] <AryehGregor> Is there some reason why compiling Firefox from scratch took 15 minutes on my hardware six months ago, and now seems to take more like 30 and counting?
# [15:02] <glandium> AryehGregor: more code
# [15:02] <glandium> more templates, too
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# [15:04] <RyanVM> or not
# [15:04] <RyanVM> hah
# [15:04] <edmorley> :-)
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# [15:04] <RyanVM> of course, that means you have to do the starring/commenting
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# [15:09] <AryehGregor> Also, is there any way to push patches using HTTPS instead of SSH? It seems hg supports that . . .
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# [15:13] <AryehGregor> Also: 1:36.63 collect2: ld terminated with signal 11 [Segmentation fault], core dumped
# [15:13] <AryehGregor> I'm on Linux 32-bit PAE with 16G RAM, and it would link fine when I last tried like six months ago.
# [15:13] <AryehGregor> Also: hi!
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# [15:13] <nemo> heh. every other day I'm reminded what a horrible idea it was for Firefox to copy Chrome instead of Opera
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# [15:13] <nemo> referring to https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=667271
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# [15:14] <nemo> well. to be accurate - mobile, curiously, *does* implement this correctly which doesn't sactly mesh w/ the whole saving space thing, given how wide screens are on desktops these days
# [15:14] <nemo> anyway. today's horror wasn't getting a URL screwed up by trim, was spending 10m on remote debug w/ boss who didn't realise that he needed http:// for nonstandard ports
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# [15:14] <nemo> he assumed http:// was "always there"
# [15:15] <RyanVM> joe: you landing bug 840353 on esr17 too?
# [15:15] <nemo> if opera behaviour had been followed...
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# [15:15] <joe> RyanVM: yeah, just cloning esr17
# [15:15] <nemo> took me quite a while to realise what he was doing wrong
# [15:15] <RyanVM> ok
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# [15:22] <edmorley> RyanVM: reopened
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# [15:27] <AryehGregor> *And* I keep getting disconnected, so if anyone answered me at any point, I didn't see it.
# [15:27] <AryehGregor> Sigh.
# [15:27] <JosiahOne> AryehGregor: No one answered you.
# [15:27] <JosiahOne> AryehGregor: If that makes you feel any better. :)
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# [15:30] <@smaug> Hey AryehGregor. Haven't seen you for awhile
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# [15:32] <{V}> AryehGregor, there's a log mentioned in the topic: http://logbot.glob.com.au/?c=developers
# [15:32] <tbsaunde> AryehGregor: hey :) yeah clue about ld dumping core :(
# [15:33] <tbsaunde> *no clue
# [15:35] <Yoric> Where is forebot?
# [15:35] <Yoric> Where is firebot?
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# [15:36] <Yoric> whimboo: someone for you on #introduction
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# [15:39] <Yoric> whimboo: Will do.
# [15:39] <whimboo> Yoric: thanks!
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# [15:56] <RyanVM> jesup|laptop: ping
# [15:57] <jesup|laptop> RyanVM: pong
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# [15:57] <RyanVM> jesup|laptop: any progress on the leaks/asserts by chance?
# [15:57] <avih> jmaher: hey :)
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# [15:59] <avih> jmaher: should i push the tscroll/talos-debug patches myself? i had the impression you wanna make the modified tscroll a new test. also, i don't know if i have commit access to talos...
# [15:59] <jesup|laptop> Waiting on reviews mostly. The thread leak is being investigated, but one primary person on that is here at IETF and pretty busy with meetings (abr). ehugg and jib may be able to help in the meantime
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# [16:09] <jesup|laptop> RyanVM:
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# [16:09] <jesup|laptop> RyanVM: I poked them to look at it
# [16:09] <RyanVM> thanks :)
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# [16:10] <jmaher> avih: I have it on my todo list to finish up the stats part of it and work on pushing it
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# [16:13] <avih> jmaher: oh, cool, thanks. as for the warmup-detection, since my draft seems to work well on scroll intervals noise, do you think we should check if it may also apply to general talos tests?
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# [16:13] <jmaher> avih: in talos-debug.js ?
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# [16:14] <avih> jmaher: yes, the detection at talos-debug. maybe we can apply a similar system globally
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# [16:15] <avih> jmaher: i'll probably need to test it first on some existing data, see if it's decent. maybe we can fine tune it a bit to get it generally reliable, maybe it'll proove too hard. can't tell before i tried
# [16:15] <jmaher> avih: the current approach is to figure this out on a per test basis
# [16:16] <avih> jmaher: the current talos approach?
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# [16:16] <jmaher> but if this results in the same stuff we have figured out by hand, it might be a good replacement and solution for future tests!
# [16:16] <avih> jmaher: is your year-old post about running 10 tests and removing a single noisy item still valid?
# [16:17] <avih> or did you move to 30/5 ?
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# [16:18] <jmaher> avih: we are at 25 and dropping the first 5
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# [16:18] <Matt> if I want localStorage to work in an HTML document loaded from my own protocol handler
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# [16:18] <Matt> right now I have the problem that it's trying to get the localStorage associated with the principal of the document
# [16:19] <avih> jmaher: oh, cool. do you periodically check if 5/25 is valid? maybe some tests stabilize after 7? or maybe for some 2 runs is enough?
# [16:19] <Matt> and since my doc has chrome permissions it says localStorage is NS_ERROR_NOT_AVAILABLE on the window
# [16:19] <Matt> presumably due to https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=795615#c11
# [16:19] <Matt> ehm
# [16:19] <Matt> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=795615
# [16:19] <Matt> how do I change my protocol handler so this works?
# [16:20] <Matt> should I make newURI return an nsIURIWithPrincipal or something?
# [16:20] <Matt> I spent a bit of time in the debugger but it looks like the principal used in nsGlobalWindow::GetLocalStorage comes from the document
# [16:20] <jmaher> avih: we really could get away with dropping 3, but we don't revisit it
# [16:20] <jmaher> although we should
# [16:20] <Matt> so I'd have to track down where the document gets the principal from… I guess the channel
# [16:20] <avih> jmaher: the thing is, with 25 runs, if you miss even 1 noisy sample, stddev can go relatively wild
# [16:20] <Matt> anyway, any guidance would be appreciated
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# [16:21] <avih> jmaher: where can i get some historical data of such 25-runs results for different tests?
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# [16:23] <jmaher> avih: from datazilla, I don't have a link right now
# [16:24] <avih> jmaher: ok. will you be at the workweek next week?
# [16:24] <gabor> Is there a way to run one specific test on try? My problem is when I run the test suit it is crashing before reaching the test I'm interested in...
# [16:24] <avih> jmaher: you wanna try working on this a bit with me?
# [16:24] <jmaher> avih: no
# [16:24] <avih> k
# [16:24] <jmaher> err, I won't be at the workweek
# [16:24] <avih> yeah, got it :)
# [16:24] <jmaher> avih: but in a bit I can work with you to get the data you are looking f or
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# [16:25] <avih> jmaher: i'd appreciate it. ping me when you get some time for this?
# [16:25] <jmaher> avih: yeah, the talos and tscroll stuff is high on my priority list for today
# [16:25] <gabor> edmorley: ping
# [16:25] <avih> jmaher: :D
# [16:25] <avih> thx :)
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# [16:27] <edmorley> gabor: hi
# [16:27] <gabor> edmorely: hi there, so I thought you might be able to help me with a tryserver related question
# [16:28] <gabor> edmorley: I'm trying to get a stack trace from a test that fails only on try not locally
# [16:28] <gabor> edmorley: problem is if I run the test suit it is crashing earlier than it could reach the test I'm interested in
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# [16:28] <gabor> edmorley: can I launch one specific test only on try somehow?
# [16:29] <avih> what could be a reason for linker terminated? http://pastebin.mozilla.org/2214720 : starts with: 1:43.43 collect2: ld terminated with signal 9 [Killed]
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# [16:29] <edmorley> gabor: comment the others out in the makefile (or manifests, depending on which suite)
# [16:29] <edmorley> perhaps?
# [16:29] <edmorley> gabor: try link?
# [16:29] <gabor> edmorley: hmmm... good idea
# [16:29] <gabor> edmorley: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=49d30205a67c
# [16:29] <jimm> splinter seems to be busted in bugzilla.
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# [16:30] <Matt> bz: ping
# [16:30] <@bz> Matt: ack
# [16:30] <glob> jimm, yessir, i broke it
# [16:30] <gabor> edmorley: this is without the assert https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=0be91b6aa927 the one I'm interested in is in oth
# [16:30] <Matt> bz: before I spent tons of time on this, it would be great to get your expert opinion
# [16:30] <glob> jimm, pestering IT as we speak
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# [16:30] <Matt> I'd like to make it possible to use localStorage in a document loaded from my protocol handler
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# [16:30] <jimm> glob: :) ok
# [16:31] <gabor> edmorley: so where are the tests specified for oth?
# [16:31] <Matt> which inherits its security context (and thus presumably its principal) from the chrome window that contains it
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# [16:31] <Matt> (i.e. the <browser> element)
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# [16:31] <edmorley> gabor: makefiles for mochitests
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# [16:31] <Matt> I guess I want my protocol handler to provide a custom principal that wraps the real principal
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# [16:31] <edmorley> gabor: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/dom/base/test/Makefile.in#33
# [16:31] <Matt> but tricks the DOMStorage code so it can generate a local storage key
# [16:31] <Matt> bz: does that sound like something doable?
# [16:32] <Matt> or is there some other, better approach?
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# [16:32] <Matt> normally localStorage won't work in documents that have the system principal
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# [16:32] <gabor> edmorley: alright, thanks for the idea! I'll give it a try
# [16:33] <Matt> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=795615
# [16:33] <edmorley> gabor: np :-) (hope you don't hit more after that!)
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# [16:34] <gabor> edmorley: yeah... my plan is to comment all the chrome tests out that comes before my test... just in case :)
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# [16:39] <@bz> Matt: hmm
# [16:39] <@bz> Matt: So you want to have a system principal for some reason, presumably?
# [16:39] <Matt> bz: I have to
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# [16:39] <@bz> Matt: there's no way to really create a "system-like" principal
# [16:39] <Matt> otherwise my cross site XHR won't work
# [16:39] <@bz> Matt: checks for system principal are just a pointer comparison against a singleton
# [16:40] <Matt> ugh
# [16:40] <Matt> in that case wrapping it won't help
# [16:40] <@bz> Right
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# [16:40] <@bz> mayhemer may know more about localStorage and whether you can make it work...
# [16:40] <Matt> yeah
# [16:40] <Matt> ok I'll check with him
# [16:40] <mayhemer> Matt: yes?
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# [16:40] <@bz> (I mean, there are nasty hacks like loading a subframe, doing localStorage in it, and communicating via postmessage)
# [16:40] <Matt> probably the only solution will be to not use the system principal and figure out some other way to make cross site XHR work
# [16:40] <@bz> Is do_GetAtom infallible nowadays?
# [16:41] <Matt> bz: it has to use normal localStorage syntax
# [16:41] <Matt> mayhemer: ahoj :-)
# [16:41] <Matt> did you see my description of the problem in the scrollback?
# [16:41] <Matt> in a nutshell I have a document with chrome privileges and I want to get localStorage working in it
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# [16:42] <Matt> it's loaded into a <browser> in a XUL window from my own protocol handler, but I had to give it the system principal since another requirement is that it have unrestricted ability to do cross-site XHR
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# [16:51] <Matt> bz: assuming I'm right and documents with the system principal can't use local storage, the only solution I can see would be to enable UniversalXPConnect
# [16:51] <Matt> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/content/base/src/nsContentUtils.cpp#1761
# [16:51] <Matt> that will cause nsContentUtils::IsCallerChrome to return true and it looks to me like the security checks for XHR will be turned off
# [16:51] <Matt> is it possible to enable UniversalXPConnect from "outside" the window
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# [16:54] <@bz> Matt: so....
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# [16:54] <@bz> Matt: There is no more universalxpconnect
# [16:54] <mayhemer> Matt: I can see the problem from 16:27 of my local time (i.e. only 20 minutes back)
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# [16:55] <mayhemer> Matt: what is the problem exactly?
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# [16:55] <Matt> bz: I had a feeling you'd say that
# [16:55] <Matt> it's still in the codebase...
# [16:55] <@bz> Matt: well....
# [16:55] <@bz> Matt: there is for tests only
# [16:55] <@bz> Matt: but we're working on removing that
# [16:55] <Matt> mayhemer: the problem is my document has the system principal so it can't use localStorage
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# [16:55] <@bz> Matt: so it might work as a temporary measure...
# [16:55] <Matt> bz: yeah that doesn't sound like a good idea
# [16:55] <Matt> mayhemer: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=795615#c11
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# [16:56] <Matt> argh, why does it keep linking that comment
# [16:56] <Matt> anyway I mean the whole bug
# [16:56] <Matt> so it sounds like in the current codebase no window can simultaneously have unfettered cross-site XHR *and* localStorage
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# [16:57] <Matt> bummer
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# [16:58] <@bz> Of course we're trying to get people to stop using localStorage
# [16:58] <@bz> so....
# [16:58] <@bz> And in particular, if you're part of the browser UI and using localStorage, it's r-
# [16:58] <@bz> Not sure whether we enforce that on extensions
# [16:59] <mayhemer> Matt: I don't see the problem described in that comment, however.. did you try any of builds here? https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=032220787ff0
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# [17:00] <Matt> bz: I agree but ideally we would be compatible with Chrome, so I'm constrained by what Chrome extension authors do
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# [17:00] <Matt> that said documenting that we don't support localStorage in our background window may well be the best solution
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# [17:01] <Matt> otherwise I'll probably have to inject an XHR implementation into the window that delegates to a real XHR in a Chrome context via postMessage or something
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# [17:01] <Matt> and stop using the system principal in the window
# [17:01] <Matt> and getting localStorage to work probably won't be that easy even if I do that
# [17:01] <Matt> mayhemer: how would those builds help?
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# [17:02] <Matt> mayhemer: I meant to link https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=795615#c5
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# [17:04] <mayhemer> Matt: those build are armed with the whole new localStorage implementation, I'd like you to check it still doesn't work
# [17:05] <mayhemer> Matt: however, I know there are issues with determing where exactly to scope the storage data for privileged origins
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# [17:05] <mayhemer> Matt: is there a simple use case, an extension, or whatever, I can test with?
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# [17:05] <mayhemer> Matt: I believe it's simple to fix...
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# [17:23] <glandium> glob: splinter links are broken
# [17:24] <glob> glandium, thanks. tracking with bug 850675
# [17:24] <glob> err bug 850677
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# [17:30] <tbsaunde> jcranmer: no it exists so you can write a script that does touch CLOBBER ; ../$SRDIR/configure
# [17:31] <jcranmer> tbsaunde: too bad our buildbots don't do that
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# [17:35] <yzen> Yoric, froydnj: I summarized the outstanding work for 848278, hopefully i did not miss anything
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# [17:37] <Yoric> I believe that jssubscript-loader will not create any compartment. Can anyone confirm/infirm?
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# [17:37] <jcranmer> the jssubscript loader loads into the current global
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# [17:38] <jcranmer> with compartment-per-global, that shouldn't make new compartments
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# [17:41] <jcranmer> yes
# [17:41] <Honza> $("#test").attributes instanceof window.Attr is no longer true, anyone knows why?
# [17:42] <jcranmer> because we're removing Attr slowly
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# [17:43] <Honza> (in latest Nightly)
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# [17:43] <Yoric> jcranmer: Thanks.
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# [17:45] <@bz> Honza: uh
# [17:45] <@bz> Honza: why would that ever be true?
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# [17:46] <@bz> Honza: .attributes is not an Attr and never was
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# [17:47] <@bz> uh
# [17:47] <Honza> Hm... Firebug has been using that and now one of the tests fail...
# [17:47] <@bz> Honza: I can only assume you copy/pasted something wrong
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# [17:47] <@bz> Honza: Since what you pasted can't possibly be true, yes?
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# [17:48] <@bz> Our UI sets random attributes on root elements?
# [17:48] <@bz> wtf?
# [17:48] <@khuey> bz: what could go wrong?
# [17:48] <@bz> khuey: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/browser/base/content/browser.js#4740
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# [17:49] <@bz> khuey: hmm. I guess we only do it for about:
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# [17:49] <@bz> khuey: which is still broken
# [17:49] * @bz files bug
# [17:49] <@khuey> bz: our C++ code sets random attributes on elements
# [17:49] <@bz> yes
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# [17:49] <@bz> Those are bad too. ;)
# [17:50] <jcranmer> when you say that
# [17:50] <jcranmer> I'm imagining
# [17:50] <jcranmer> this[Math.random()] = foo
# [17:50] <@bz> Oh, this is a recent regression too
# [17:50] <@bz> ok
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# [17:50] * @bz files, requests blocking
# [17:50] <@khuey> there is no blocking
# [17:50] <@bz> whatever
# [17:50] <lsblakk> reed: checking in about bug 844527 - where's that at? we're planning to gtb on a beta soon, so let me know when you have a sec
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# [17:51] <gavin> bz: huh? why is it a problem?
# [17:51] <@bz> gavin: well, it's a spec violation
# [17:51] <@bz> gavin: for a start
# [17:51] <gavin> for about: pages? who cares
# [17:51] <@bz> about:blank
# [17:51] <Honza> jcranmer: so, what's the type of element.attributes array? If the user logs elements.attributes in the Firebug console, is there any way to recognize that the logged object is "attributes"?
# [17:52] <@bz> I apparently do, since I just hit a failure due to this
# [17:52] <jcranmer> I have no idea
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# [17:52] <jcranmer> I just know we removed nsIDOMNamedAttrMap or something
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# [17:52] <gavin> bz: true, we can exclude about:blank
# [17:52] <@bz> gavin: please
# [17:52] <gavin> (though it only applies to about:blank at the top level)
# [17:52] <nrc> jimm: ping
# [17:52] <@bz> gavin: yes
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# [17:52] <@bz> gavin: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=850730
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# [17:53] <@bz> Honza: element.attributes is a NamedNodeMap at the moment
# [17:53] <@bz> Honza: whether it stays that way is unclear
# [17:54] <@bz> Honza: for example, the current DOMCore draft is:
# [17:54] <@bz> readonly attribute Attr[] attributes;
# [17:54] <@bz> (which may or may not stay the case)
# [17:54] <@khuey> its not a named node map anymore
# [17:54] <@khuey> as of the other day
# [17:54] <@bz> Oh, hmm
# [17:54] <@bz> maybe I need to update
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# [17:54] <Honza> bz: I see, thanks
# [17:54] <@khuey> nsIDOMMozNamedAttrMap
# [17:54] <@bz> OK
# [17:54] <@bz> So
# [17:55] <@bz> I dare someone to point me to a use of [] in WebIDL that's not busted
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# [17:55] <@khuey> !summon heycam
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# [17:55] <@khuey> :-P
# [17:55] <@bz> Though....
# [17:55] <Honza> ah, so it is not
# [17:55] <@bz> this one may in fact be not busted
# [17:55] <@bz> Go Anne. ;)
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# [17:59] <till> Nice: After getting a patch approved for Aurora and Beta, I just received the "Congratulations on having your first patch approved" mail. :)
# [17:59] <till> lsblakk: ping
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# [18:00] <SDUP> can we use an xpcom object inside a local web page ? Put your xpcom object in the "JS-global-constuctor" ? Add classInfo to your class ? i need help !
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# [18:02] <@bz> gavin: got a sec?
# [18:02] <@bz> gavin: Looking at http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/dom/interfaces/xul/nsIDOMXULDocument.idl do you know which of those methods that take strings are likely to depend on the "null turns into empty string" behavior?
# [18:03] <@bz> gavin: I suppose I could just preserve that behavior to avoid risk when converting to webidl, but if it's not needed.....
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# [18:03] <gavin> bz: I assume getElementsByAttribute* and persist() probably would
# [18:03] <@khuey> RyanVM: lol
# [18:04] <RyanVM> khuey: hey, it's the sheriff-approved method for dealing with orange
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# [18:05] <@khuey> RyanVM: so I've noticed
# [18:06] <@bz> gavin: ok, makes sense
# [18:06] <@bz> gavin: for the value, at least?
# [18:06] <gavin> bz: yeah
# [18:06] <@bz> gavin: and for the id in the persist case?
# [18:07] * @bz really hopes no one is depending on it for attr names
# [18:07] <@bz> or namespace URIs, natch
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# [18:09] <lsblakk> till: pong
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# [18:11] <till> lsblakk: thanks for the approvals in bug 787927
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# [18:11] <till> lsblakk: unfortunately, I'm not sure what next steps I have to take. Prepare the patches and push them? Can I even do that?
# [18:11] <lsblakk> till: RyanVM will be doing uplifts shortly
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# [18:12] <lsblakk> till: of all approved branch patches
# [18:12] <till> lsblakk: ah, ok. So I just wait for that and only have to do something if he runs into problems?
# [18:12] <till> (which he shouldn't, both uplifts are easy merges)
# [18:12] <lsblakk> right
# [18:12] <till> lsblakk: cool, thanks for the info
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# [18:16] <dougt> gavin: what is the name of the firefox mailing list fe people use?
# [18:16] <dougt> is it m.d.a.firefox
# [18:16] <RyanVM> mixedpuppy: ping
# [18:16] * Waldo sighs over the speed of rebasing through 30-odd patches and inbound congestion
# [18:17] <Waldo> almost enough to make me want to use mozilla-central
# [18:17] <gavin> dougt: dev-firefox
# [18:17] <gavin> er, firefox-dev
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# [18:17] <dougt> o dpm
# [18:17] <dougt> i don't see it on news.mozilla.org
# [18:17] <gavin> it's not on news.mozilla.org
# [18:17] <dougt> well… w.t.f.
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# [18:17] <gavin> NNTP is old
# [18:17] <dougt> it isn't a newsgroup?
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# [18:18] <dougt> gavin: so is firefox
# [18:18] <dougt> so is gecko
# [18:18] <dougt> so am i… fml
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# [18:18] * fabrice tries telnet dougt 119
# [18:18] <dougt> gavin: so, is this the only mailing list that is probably important that isn't nntp?
# [18:19] <dougt> fabrice: dougt.org might work.
# [18:19] <gavin> dougt: there's a readonly NNTP mirror
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# [18:19] <dougt> gavin: so, we have most of the important mailing list accessible via news.mozilla.org
# [18:19] <gavin> dougt: for old people: http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.comp.mozilla.firefox.devel
# [18:20] <dougt> but not the firefox mailing list. :)
# [18:20] <gavin> yes
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# [18:20] <dougt> gavin: intentional?
# [18:20] <gavin> yes
# [18:20] <@khuey> fabrice: I think we need some gopher or finger jokes in here
# [18:20] * dougt gives khuey the finger.
# [18:21] <Mook_as> gavin: thanks for getting the nntp gateway setup with gmane :) (at least it's _something_ )
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# [18:21] <gavin> what do you guys have against email?
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# [18:21] <froydnj> bholley: inbound's burning
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# [18:22] <@dbaron> bholley, red
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# [18:22] <RyanVM> and closed
# [18:22] <dougt> gavin: nothing… i am mostly upset about the lack of consistency.
# [18:22] <mayhemer> vladan: ping
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# [18:22] <vladan> mayhemer: pong
# [18:22] <bholley> hm these all went through try...
# [18:22] <mayhemer> vladan: hi
# [18:22] <dougt> gavin: i don't care about nntp at all either… but it is what everything else does use currently
# [18:22] <froydnj> Waldo: way to land the mega-patch before tree closure
# [18:22] <vladan> mayhemer: let's talk on #perf? less noisy
# [18:23] <bholley> or maybe not
# [18:23] <bholley> sec
# [18:23] <Waldo> froydnj: hrm, what's this about closure?
# [18:23] <bholley> aw jeeze
# [18:23] <gavin> dougt: if everyone jumped off a bridge, would you jump too?
# [18:24] <bholley> RyanVM: we should back out 19f154ee6f54 and e44bc308642a
# [18:24] <bholley> RyanVM: sorry about that
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# [18:24] <Waldo> NNTP is pretty nice for discussions and archives; that our mailing list-NNTP two-way system is awful is a separate matter
# [18:24] <lsblakk> gavin: ping on bug 838864
# [18:24] <dougt> gavin: no, but i'd push you just so that you'd break up with me.
# [18:24] <bholley> RyanVM: I'm happy to do the backout but you're probably more pro at it
# [18:25] <dougt> gavin: i posted (yeah, nntp) something to the mobile newsgroup
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# [18:25] <dougt> gavin: please read when you get a chance.
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# [18:25] <dougt> gavin: i can print it off and put it in your inbox if you like too.
# [18:25] <RyanVM> bholley: pushed
# [18:26] <bholley> RyanVM: thanks - sorry :-(
# [18:26] <gavin> dougt: I will leave you a voicemail with my fax number
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# [18:26] <gavin> lsblakk: bug 839629 is what's tracking the actionable items here. I can lean on it.
# [18:26] <dougt> gavin: i have my pager on, could you beep me when you do?
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# [18:27] <Waldo> dougt: if you have one of the older Boy Scout handbooks they have semaphore in it
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# [18:28] <Waldo> older as in a dozen years or so, that is
# [18:28] <lsblakk> gavin: ok thanks
# [18:28] <lsblakk> gavin: planning to gtb on beta in the next several hours
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# [18:28] <dougt> Waldo: when I became an eagle, my mom bough me the 1911 handbook.
# [18:28] <dougt> bought ^
# [18:28] <Waldo> dougt: I feel like I should snark about how old you are now :-P
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# [18:29] <lsblakk> gavin: is there anything about bug 839629 that needs to land in beta *today*? or are you just generally on it?
# [18:29] <dougt> not protected yet… have at it.
# [18:29] <Waldo> surprised those are available enough to buy 'em, even back whenever that must have been
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# [18:29] <dougt> it was clearly used.
# [18:29] <Waldo> I guess it depends on the quality, yeah
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# [18:29] <dougt> (but in much better condition than mine! I had to wrap mine in duct tape to keep it together)
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# [18:29] <gavin> lsblakk: bug 839629 is all about the addons, nothing to do with product code. but if we don't get it fixed in time, we need to re-land bug 838864's patch.
# [18:30] <dougt> Waldo: did you get the questionnaire?
# [18:30] <lsblakk> gavin: ty
# [18:30] <dougt> Waldo: in protest, i had them remove me from all mailing lists… and I guess that means I can't vote.
# [18:30] <Waldo> which questionnaire?
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# [18:31] <dougt> about allowing gay people...
# [18:31] <lsblakk> dougt: what?
# [18:31] <dougt> i posted something on fb about it.
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# [18:32] <Waldo> dougt: oh, no, I haven't been involved in eight or so years; kind of meant to when I headed off to college, but assuming interaction from hundreds of miles away was foolish, and MIT pwnt my time enough that doing something local was a stretch, and I haven't gotten re-involved after that
# [18:32] <@khuey> lsblakk: boy scouts
# [18:32] <gavin> lsblakk: simple functionality flip, so no risk. what's the latest we can land it for 20?
# [18:32] <dougt> lsblakk: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/8727858/Screen%20Shot%202013-03-13%20at%2010.29.47%20AM.png
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# [18:33] <Waldo> I'd assume it'll happen if I ever have kids, but I suspect unlikely before then, as things stand now
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# [18:34] <Waldo> and this is why rage-quitting is less helpful than remaining somewhere to influence policies from within, except in more extreme cases
# [18:34] <dougt> lsblakk: oh there was another part in that post… " The Boy Scout of America are not Brave."
# [18:34] <dougt> Waldo: yeah, srsly.
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# [18:34] <Waldo> although, from the point of view of the policy, brave is beside the point, and "morally straight" (no pun intended) was the real point
# [18:34] <dougt> Waldo: fwiw, the issue never came up in my local troup. which is good.
# [18:34] <Waldo> you're arguing at cross purposes
# [18:35] <dougt> well, this is a money thing.
# [18:35] <Waldo> it always seemed strange as something from above, rather something for individual troops to figure out however they wanted
# [18:35] <dougt> the girl scouts don't have this issue.
# [18:35] <dougt> hmm.
# [18:35] <Waldo> I was at a Catholic church troop, so you'd expect the line there
# [18:35] <@khuey> the girl scouts have their own problems
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# [18:35] <dougt> maybe we are off topic here. :)
# [18:35] <Waldo> something 4H or local club, much less so
# [18:35] <dougt> khuey: cookies?
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# [18:36] <Waldo> dougt: not liking bleach for cleaning dishes
# [18:36] <@khuey> dougt: http://articles.cnn.com/2012-01-13/living/living_girl-scout-boycott_1_gsusa-cookie-boycott-troop-leader?_s=PM:LIVING
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# [18:36] <dougt> fuck
# [18:36] <@khuey> dougt: shit like that
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# [18:37] <dougt> not even tolerance. damn.
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# [18:50] <jduell> doublec: ping
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# [18:51] <@bz> mmm
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# [18:52] <@bz> so we have no mac minis tomorrow?
# [18:52] <@bz> in SCL3?
# [18:52] <@bz> What does that mean in practice?
# [18:52] <@bsmedberg> bz: or we frantically switch the plugs from A to B ;-)
# [18:52] <gavin> friday, right?
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# [18:52] <@bsmedberg> gavin: no the 14th
# [18:53] <sfink> better start spinning up the flywheel
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# [18:53] <@khuey> well the email subject says friday
# [18:53] <gavin> bsmedberg: oh, the subject line says the 15th...
# [18:53] <@khuey> and the body says thursday
# [18:53] <@khuey> so ..
# [18:54] <philor> unless it has changed recently, it's not no mac minis, it's only half of the 10.8 minis at a time
# [18:54] <@khuey> we should assume we have no minis on both days
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# [18:55] <philor> of course bug 848086 tells me to piss off, so I don't know if anything has changed since the one thing I heard about it a week ago
# [18:55] <@bz> philor: mmm
# [18:55] <@bz> philor: are we sure that the minis are distributed across both sides?
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# [18:56] <@bz> philor: thanks for the link
# [18:56] <philor> "which are roughly split in numbers between the two power sides" -- hwine
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# [18:56] <@bz> yeah
# [18:56] <@bz> the csv in the bug agrees
# [18:56] <@bz> ok
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# [18:57] <philor> and since 10.8 is the newest pool, we have considerably more capacity there than anywhere else other than tegra/panda
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# [18:59] <@khuey> Andy Rubin is being replaced by Sundar Pichai
# [19:00] <@khuey> that's interesting
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# [19:01] <@bz> More interestingly, Chrome and Android and Google Apps are now under one person
# [19:01] <@khuey> yep
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# [19:01] <@bz> Interesting indeed.
# [19:02] <sfink> ooh, they're going to force Chrome and Android to get along?
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# [19:02] <evilpie> [Spliter] seems broken
# [19:02] <evilpie> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/page.cgi?id=splinter.html/&bug=850730&attachment=724480
# [19:02] <evilpie> note the /
# [19:02] <@bz> "On March 13, 2013, Larry Page announced [6] that Pichai would now add Android to the list of Google products he maintains, replacing Andy Rubin while still also managing Chrome OS. Speculation on Google+ hinted at this being a step in a possible merge of the two platforms."
# [19:02] <@bz> sez wikipedia
# [19:02] <@bz> which means it's true, yes? ;)
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# [19:03] <NeilAway> evilpie: actually, it's still in my scrollback, bug 850677
# [19:03] <evilpie> thanks :)
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# [19:08] <@bsmedberg> are iframes transparent by default?!
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# [19:10] <Waldo> I believe the answer may be yes
# [19:11] <ochameau> does someone around has an opinion about using <iframe mozbrowser> on firefox with the pref kept to off? Is it reasonable to use them yet? I'm not sure but it looks like we can already use them without remote=true in order to get iframe whose top/parent won't be parent frame.
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# [19:11] <Waldo> bsmedberg: data:text/html;charset=UTF-8,<style>body { background: rgb(220,220,220); }</style><iframe src="data:text/html;charset=UTF-8,"></iframe>
# [19:11] <Waldo> so yes
# [19:12] <mixedpuppy> RyanVM: pong
# [19:12] <RyanVM> mixedpuppy: any ideas on all the various browser_social oranges?
# [19:12] <Matt> mayhemer: still there?
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# [19:12] <@bsmedberg> Waldo: hrm http://benjamin.smedbergs.us/tests/crosscompartment-call-tightloop.html
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# [19:14] <mixedpuppy> RyanVM: I am going to try and address those test failures tomorrow, I had started looking at them and doing some cleanup on issues I found
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# [19:14] <RyanVM> mixedpuppy: ok
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# [19:15] <till> RyanVM: thanks for the uplift in bug 787927
# [19:15] <RyanVM> till: np, it was pretty much painless
# [19:16] <RyanVM> till: the beta uplift had a small difference in vm/debugger.cpp
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# [19:16] <RyanVM> the if(oom) isn't there
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# [19:16] <RyanVM> but I figured I knew what you were going for :)
# [19:16] <till> RyanVM: yeah, I tested the patches yesterday to make sure of that. I'd have attached patches otherwise.
# [19:16] <till> So did I :)
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# [19:18] <Waldo> dholbert: btw, you want to not report bugs on the new warnings in Intl.cpp that I fixed an hour ago :-)
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# [19:19] <edmorley|mtg> gerv: is bugzilla1.community.scl3.mozilla.com bzapi?
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# [19:20] <edmorley> gerv: context bug 848086 and knowing whether the datacenter maintenance will take out bzapi and thus need tree closure
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# [19:23] <@ehsan> glandium: ping
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# [19:24] <glandium> ehsan: pong
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# [19:24] <TimAbraldes> If I try to update the places DB of a profile that is currently in use (from a process other than the Fx process that has the profile loaded), am I asking for trouble? or will sqlite magically handle that?
# [19:24] <@ehsan> glandium: for bug 849995, I'm thinking of editing build/autoconf/compiler-opts.m4 isntead of modifying configure.in
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# [19:24] <@ehsan> glandium: sounds like a good idea?
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# [19:25] <dholbert> Waldo, ok :)
# [19:26] <@bsmedberg> TimAbraldes: yes you are asking for trouble
# [19:26] <glandium> ehsan: i'd rather all warnings to be treated the same, with MOZ_C_SUPPORTS_WARNING/MOZ_CXX_SUPPORTS_WARNING
# [19:27] <@ehsan> glandium: hmm, not sure what you're suggesting
# [19:27] <@ehsan> those macros just check to see if the warning flags passed in are valid, right?
# [19:28] <glandium> ehsan: and adds them if they are
# [19:28] <@ehsan> orly?
# [19:28] <@ehsan> oh I see
# [19:29] <@ehsan> glandium: so you're suggesting what dholbert suggested?
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# [19:30] <TimAbraldes> bsmedberg: let's say I can somehow guarantee that the profile isn't in use. Do we have a nice mechanism/tool (something along the lines of PlacesUtils.jsm) for modifying a places DB that isn't the one in my currently active profile?
# [19:30] <glandium> ehsan: indeed
# [19:30] <@bsmedberg> I don't know that answer, you need a places peer.
# [19:30] <@ehsan> glandium: great, thanks! this saves one review roundtrip :)
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# [19:31] <TimAbraldes> bsmedberg: ok, thanks for the initial info
# [19:31] <@ehsan> I'm so sorry that I'm touching configure everyone
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# [19:34] <Waldo> heh
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# [19:37] <mayhemer> Matt: pong
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# [19:38] <tbsaunde> ehsan: its fine just refactor it all while your already touching it :)
# [19:38] <glandium> ehsan: splinter doesn't work :(
# [19:38] <TimAbraldes> mak: Do you know if a nice mechanism/tool (something along the lines of PlacesUtils.jsm) exists for modifying a places DB that isn't the one in my currently active profile? (or do you know who I should ask about this?)
# [19:39] <davidb> glandium, ehsan just remove the extra / in the url
# [19:39] <davidb> after splinter.html
# [19:40] <davidb> how that got there i dunno
# [19:40] <glandium> heh, it works now
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# [19:41] <@ehsan> glandium: should be a simple review even without splinter
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# [19:41] <@ehsan> davidb: what extra /?
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# [19:41] <@bsmedberg> bholley: can you verify that http://benjamin.smedbergs.us/tests/crosscompartment-call-tightloop.html will call CrossCompartmentWrapper::call in its tight loop?
# [19:42] <davidb> ehsan: i think glandium was mentioning splinter review not working...
# [19:42] <@smaug> sheppy: is there a blame for mdn
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# [19:42] <davidb> ehsan: i think it is because of an extra /
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# [19:42] <@smaug> sheppy: something which tells which change modified certain line
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# [19:43] <AryehGregor> So ld.bfd.real gets to 2.3G memory usage, stays there for a while, jumps to 2.9G or so, then dies with OOM. I'm on PAE, so in theory it should be able to use 4.0G. (this is tip mozilla-central)
# [19:43] <AryehGregor> Any ideas?
# [19:43] <@ehsan> davidb: I still don't know what extra / you're talking about! ;)
# [19:44] <bholley> bsmedberg: that loop doesn't seem very tight to me
# [19:44] <AryehGregor> I was able to successfully link five months or so ago, when I last tried, IIRC . . .
# [19:44] <@bsmedberg> bholley: well I need to try to get the graphics system to cause the memory corruption at the same time
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# [19:44] <@bsmedberg> I can remove that part
# [19:44] <bholley> bsmedberg: hm
# [19:44] <davidb> ehsan: when you click on Splinter Review link in a bug… for me it adds a bogus /
# [19:44] <bholley> bsmedberg: well, the DOM, layout, and gfx overhead will dwarf the CCW overhead
# [19:44] <@ehsan> oh!
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# [19:45] <@ehsan> davidb: have you filed that bug? :)
# [19:45] <benjamin> it's already filed
# [19:45] <glandium> AryehGregor: use gold
# [19:45] <benjamin> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=850675
# [19:45] <davidb> benjamin: ty
# [19:45] <glandium> davidb: and it stopped doing it for me
# [19:45] <AryehGregor> glandium, hmm, okay. I think last I tried, it was worse. Any particular version needed, or will the distro version work?
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# [19:45] <tbsaunde> AryehGregor: you can turn of debug symbols though obviously that *really* sucks
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# [19:46] <AryehGregor> tbsaunde, yeah, not very useful for dev work.
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# [19:47] <glandium> AryehGregor: it should work
# [19:47] <@bsmedberg> did we add something which stops intervals running in background tabs?
# [19:47] <tbsaunde> AryehGregor: if you say it dies at 2.9 I would think its a reasonable guess the kernel isn't actually letting it use all 4g for some reason
# [19:47] <AryehGregor> tbsaunde, yes, that was my guess. Not sure why.
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# [19:47] <AryehGregor> Presumably five months ago it just actually used less than 3G.
# [19:47] <bholley> bsmedberg: they get throttled I think
# [19:47] <bholley> bsmedberg: maybe move the gfx stuff out of the inner loop?
# [19:47] <AryehGregor> I guess normal people compile debug Linux builds of Firefox on 64-bit, huh?
# [19:48] <@bsmedberg> Yeah
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# [19:48] <@bsmedberg> is there a way to disable that throttling?
# [19:48] <@bsmedberg> bz: ^^
# [19:48] <@bz> bsmedberg: there's a pref
# [19:48] <tbsaunde> AryehGregor: yeah, I think basically everybody uses linux64 :/
# [19:48] <RyanVM> joe: fwiw, to answer your earlier question today in #b2g, sounds like you were hitting bug 847105
# [19:48] <AryehGregor> I made the bad decision to install 32-bit in 2007 or so when I started using it, and there's no sane upgrade path last I heard, so . . .
# [19:49] <jcranmer> AryehGregor: we may have started building intl/icu...
# [19:49] <AryehGregor> (at that time, it gave slightly better compat for Flash or something, oh well)
# [19:49] <@bz> bsmedberg: dom.min_background_timeout_value
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# [19:49] <@bz> bsmebderg: in ms
# [19:49] <joe> RyanVM: it happens a *lot* to my try pushes
# [19:49] <AryehGregor> Okay, so I'll try gold tomorrow. If that fails, I can get at least some work done without debug symbols.
# [19:49] <AryehGregor> Thanks.
# [19:49] <jhammel> AryehGregor: heh, i was in the same boat....then i got a new computer
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# [19:49] <Ms2ger> Oh hey, AryehGregor
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# [19:49] <AryehGregor> I got new computer *parts*, just I always transferred the hard drive contents . . .
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# [19:49] <@bz> AryehGregor: what debug flags are you using?
# [19:50] <joe> RyanVM: currently running a fully clean mozilla-inbound try run to see what happens: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=4f6c25e6ff63
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# [19:50] <AryehGregor> bz, I don't think I'm using anything special. mach reads common mozconfig options, right? I have --enable-debug, --disable-optimize, --enable-warnings-as-errors. That's all the ac_add_options I see.
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# [19:50] <@bz> AryehGregor: ok
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# [19:51] <@bz> AryehGregor: I had --enable-debug="-g3" and that was not happy. ;)
# [19:51] <AryehGregor> Heh.
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# [19:51] <Ms2ger> See you
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# [19:53] <@bz> For, or into?
# [19:53] <Waldo> yes
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# [19:58] <RyanVM> bholley: looks like mochitest-1 failures on your inbound push
# [19:58] <RyanVM> bholley: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=20612354&tree=Mozilla-Inbound
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# [19:59] <bholley> RyanVM: looks related. It had a green linux64 try push, albeit with some other patches. sec
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# [20:01] <bholley> RyanVM: oh, awesome. This test is disabled on linux64 :-(
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# [20:02] <RyanVM> hah
# [20:02] <RyanVM> fial
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# [20:04] <bholley> RyanVM: hm, doesn't appear to be anything super simple. Let's back out the videocontrols patch and I'll investigate?
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# [20:04] <RyanVM> ok
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# [20:06] <avih> RyanVM: hey, got a min?
# [20:07] <RyanVM> avih: sure
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# [20:09] <avih> RyanVM: would appreciate some perspective. trying to land 590422, and we know it increases frequency of 749894 (performance now oranges). but now we also know that the real cause for the latter is 822490 (simplify windows timestamp), which 836869 tries to improve. so now i can't land my bug due the existing regression, and i'm not sure what could be done about it
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# [20:11] <avih> RyanVM: the other intermittent oranges are also being taken care of, regardless of my patch, so i don't know if re-landing mine will re-trigger them. i can try, but the performance_now orange is probably the most related one to my bug.
# [20:11] <RyanVM> avih: any idea how big of a job bug 836869 is going to be?
# [20:12] <avih> RyanVM: not really.
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# [20:13] <RyanVM> avih: problem is, my recollection is that it makes bug 749894 a *lot* more frequent
# [20:13] <bholley> RyanVM: that may have actually been a red herring. Let's just amend that backout to back out all three, just to be safe
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# [20:13] <bholley> RyanVM: I think the problem might be in the field.xml patch
# [20:13] <avih> RyanVM: that's very probable, but it's not the cause of the regression, just an amplifier of it
# [20:13] <RyanVM> avih: assuming bug 836869 is next on your list, maybe we should just disable the test for the time being?
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# [20:14] <RyanVM> on xp
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# [20:14] <bholley> RyanVM: er, actually
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# [20:15] <bholley> RyanVM: well, I'm still not sure, but yeah, if it's easier for you I'd say back em all out
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# [20:15] <avih> RyanVM: disabling performance_now on xp would be good, as it's still intermittent, and it still stands before some decision of what criterion should be used for the pass/fail
# [20:16] <RyanVM> good, because I was already mid-push when I saw that last one :P
# [20:16] <bholley> hehehe
# [20:16] <RyanVM> avih: I don't see an issue with that, but ultimately that sounds like a decision to be made w/ vlad's input
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# [20:16] <RyanVM> avih: but I'm sure nobody wants to see bug 590422 held up over an intermittent xp test failure
# [20:16] <avih> RyanVM: sure. let's see if he's around.
# [20:16] <avih> vlad: ping
# [20:17] <vlad> avih: pong
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# [20:18] <avih> vlad: do you think we should disable performance/-now test on xp until: 1. QPC is disabled less. 2. we decide if performance/-now should pass or fail when QPC is disabled?
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# [20:18] <avih> vlad: i think that's the major holdback right now for removing the timer filter
# [20:19] <bholley> RyanVM: was that the only orange I should be looking at with these patches?
# [20:19] <RyanVM> bholley: afaik
# [20:19] <vlad> avih: I'm probably the wrong person to ask
# [20:19] <bholley> RyanVM: ok, thanks
# [20:19] <RyanVM> though osx is usually the first to come in
# [20:19] <vlad> avih: I'm happy to kill whatever off with fire on Windows XP
# [20:19] <vlad> as long as people on XP can still browse yahoo.com or whatever, I don't care much beyond that :)
# [20:19] <RyanVM> bholley: if more turn up, I'll add a comment to the bug
# [20:20] <RyanVM> since it's all backed out at this point anyway
# [20:20] <bholley> RyanVM: :-)
# [20:20] <avih> vlad: RyanVM suggested that we should hear your opinion before disabling perf.now test on xp.
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# [20:21] <vlad> avih: sure, disable it :)
# [20:21] <avih> vlad: another option is to land my patch for perf.now, which makes it pass even if QPC is disabled, and when QPC improves, revisit the perf.now fail criteria
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# [20:22] <avih> vlad: you're as happy as i should be for disabling it ;)
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# [20:24] <avih> vlad: i think the last suggestion is the best. we keep perf.now enabled on xp, and i'll file a bug to revisit its fail criteria and use it as blocking the simplified timestamp bug (which is the real cause for recent oranges with perf.now). you're good with this?
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# [20:25] <vlad> sounds good
# [20:25] <@bz> hrm
# [20:25] <@bz> linking libxul on Linux has gotten way slower. :(
# [20:25] <avih> vlad: ok. could you please land my patch v4 at bug 749894 then?
# [20:26] * @bz could have sworn this machine used to do it in ~10s
# [20:26] <@bz> and now it's taking a Very Long Time
# [20:26] <@bz> I wonder why....
# [20:26] <vlad> avih: not at the moment :/
# [20:26] <avih> bz: grats for the distinguished engineer or whatever they called it :)
# [20:26] <vlad> super busy with gdc stuff until after next week
# [20:26] <avih> vlad: k, i'll make it land :)
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# [20:28] <@bz> avih: thanks. ;)
# [20:29] <mbrubeck> Was our Orange Factor really >50 yesterday?! http://brasstacks.mozilla.com/orangefactor/?display=OrangeFactor
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# [20:29] <Ms2ger> mbrubeck, would that surprise you?
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# [20:30] <mbrubeck> "592 failures in 11 testruns"
# [20:30] <RyanVM> dunno, we *might* be missing some data there P
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# [20:30] <mcote> mbrubeck: probably still processing data
# [20:30] <mbrubeck> the 592 failures is plausible... the demoninator might be a *bit* low. :)
# [20:30] <mcote> mbrubeck: some pulse middleware went down again, and it was reset earlier today so it's still catching up
# [20:31] <Ms2ger> Heh, pulse
# [20:31] <mbrubeck> cool, thanks mcote
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# [20:31] <mcote> np. I hope to get some time to figure out that issue next quarter, since it happens every couple months it seems
# [20:32] <mbrubeck> I still haven't got around to writing an app that listens to pulse and plays jungle sounds based on events... birds twittering when jobs start... twigs snapping when tests fail... a low growl when a build burns...
# [20:32] <Ms2ger> mbrubeck, you must love low growls
# [20:32] <mbrubeck> It has bugzilla data too, right? Maybe the noise of the wind gets louder or softer depending on the rate of incoming bugs.
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# [20:47] <bnicholson> ehsan: when i switch between git branches, i always get a clobber message when i try to build - do you know of any workarounds?
# [20:47] <@ehsan> bnicholson: yeah, ignore it ;)
# [20:47] <@ehsan> rm objdir/CLOBBER
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# [20:48] <bnicholson> yeah, i've been doing that...just hoping there was a less annoying fix you've come up with
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# [20:49] <@ehsan> nah, the build system just compares the contents of the CLOBBER files, so it's hard to work around this...
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# [20:51] <tbsaunde> I wonder if git has a on branch change hook, or you could just patch match / client.mk / whatever to touch the file for you
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# [20:52] <nrc> jimm: ping
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# [20:54] <nrc> jimm: hi, we have windows build errors on the graphics branch, looks like we have the wrong sdk. Have you had similar things and do you know what I need to ask for to fix it?
# [20:55] <jimm> nrc: we converted all our win builders over the 8.0 sdk so you should have access to it. can you point me to a build log?
# [20:55] <nrc> jimm: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Graphics
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# [20:55] <nrc> every Windows build
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# [20:57] <jimm> nrc: did you guys enable metro builds?
# [20:57] <bnicholson> ehsan: what workflow do you use when you want to land something from git -> hg? i'm using a script now that exports a commit to a patch, then i qimport that patch in hg, then land it...but it's a bit cumbersome
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# [20:58] <jimm> nrc: you are building with --enable-metro
# [20:58] <@smaug> oh, something must be wrong. no clobbering today
# [20:58] <jimm> nrc: you need to add ab include to CompositorD3D11.cpp
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# [20:59] <jimm> s/ab/an
# [20:59] <NeilAway> smaug: heh
# [20:59] <@ehsan> bnicholson: my workflow is really lacking there, it's mostly git show whatever>/tmp/x && cd hg && hg qim /tmp/x && hg qpush && hg qref -e && hg qfi . && hg push!
# [20:59] <jimm> nrc: for the IsRunningInWindowsMetro error, I think you just need to merge in mc.
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# [20:59] <jimm> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/search?string=IsRunningInWindowsMetro
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# [20:59] <@ehsan> bnicholson: jlebar has some fancy scripts for this, and I meant to try them a few times but that never happened
# [21:00] <nrc> jimm: if enabling metro is something we need to do for the branch, then I don't think so
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# [21:00] <davidb> NeilAway: where is firebot these days?
# [21:00] <nrc> jimm: thanks, I'll do a merge
# [21:01] * NeilAway has no idea
# [21:01] <bnicholson> ehsan: i saw those scripts but didn't see anything about landing on hg from git...maybe i missed it
# [21:01] <jimm> nrc: metro code was copy pasted into CompositorD3D11 but you forgot to add..
# [21:01] <jimm> +#ifdef MOZ_METRO
# [21:01] <jimm> +#include <DXGI1_2.h>
# [21:01] <jimm> +#endif
# [21:02] <nrc> jimm: do you know which include we need in CompositorD3D11 (this all builds locally for Bas and I, btw)
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# [21:02] <jimm> to the top of the file
# [21:02] <nrc> jimm: heh, too quick for me
# [21:02] <nrc> jimm: thanks
# [21:02] <jimm> nrc: Bas probably doesn't have --enable-metro in his mozconfig
# [21:02] <bnicholson> oh push-to-hg, i guess that's what i'm looking for
# [21:02] <jimm> sure
# [21:02] <dhylands> Can I get somebody to add editbugs privilege for [:vd] vd@FreeBSD.org?
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# [21:03] <doublec> jduell: pong
# [21:03] <dholbert> dhylands, https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/page.cgi?id=get_permissions.html has instructions for that, though IRC may be faster
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# [21:04] <dhylands> dholbert: Thanks - I'll get vd to follow that procedure...
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# [21:05] <Ms2ger> dholbert, is that the old "before you mail gerv" text?
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# [21:05] <dholbert> Ms2ger, yeah
# [21:05] <Fallen> whats the quickest way to rebuild the backend.mk files?
# [21:05] <Fallen> possibly only for a specific subdir
# [21:05] <dholbert> Ms2ger, I was about to give dhylands the "before you mail gerv" page, but that page links to this bugzilla page now
# [21:06] <dholbert> w/ the same steps
# [21:06] <Ms2ger> Fallen, make in the objdir
# [21:06] <Fallen> hrmpf that takes a while :-/
# [21:07] <twi> is the checkin flag on bugzilla the same thing as checkin-needed? can i set it to ask someone to checkin patches?
# [21:07] <@ehsan> bnicholson: https://github.com/jlebar/moz-git-tools, git-push-to-hg is what you want
# [21:07] <bnicholson> yeah, found it
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# [21:07] <@bz> gah
# [21:07] <@ehsan> twi: the checkin flag is usually used if the bug has multiple patches and you only want some of them landed
# [21:07] <@bz> we have to rev the uuid on non-ABI-changing changes? :(
# [21:07] <@bz> sadfaces.
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# [21:07] <@ehsan> twi: otherwise just set the checkin-needed keyword on it
# [21:08] <twi> ehsan ah, makes sense
# [21:08] <@ehsan> bz: yeah indeed
# [21:08] <twi> ehsan i don't seem to be able to set checkin-needed, i'll just add a comment asking i guess
# [21:08] <@ehsan> bz: joe told me the story of how he found and diagnosed that bug... not fun
# [21:08] <@ehsan> twi: which bug is this?
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# [21:08] <@ehsan> twi: can you set any keywords?
# [21:08] <@ehsan> if not, I can give you editbugs
# [21:08] <twi> i can set other keywords
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# [21:08] <twi> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=833628
# [21:08] <@bz> ehsan: that sucks.
# [21:09] <twi> and https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=761018
# [21:09] <@bz> ehsan: thank you for telling me. ;)
# [21:09] <@ehsan> twi: are you alessandro.d@g.c?
# [21:09] <twi> yep
# [21:10] <@ehsan> twi: so you do have editbugs
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# [21:10] <@ehsan> it makes no sense for you to be able to set other keywords and not checkin-needed!!!
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# [21:10] <@ehsan> twi: have you filed a bug about that?
# [21:10] <twi> oh i see, checkin needed is a bug global flag, i was trying to set it on the individual patches
# [21:10] <@ehsan> oh right
# [21:11] <@ehsan> yeah
# [21:11] <@ehsan> sorry about the confusion
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# [21:11] <twi> alright, thanks and sorry for the noise :)
# [21:11] <@ehsan> twi: I'm landing your patch anyways!
# [21:11] <twi> ehsan you rock sir
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# [21:12] <twi> oh and there is this too https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=760140 (they are all related)
# [21:12] <@ehsan> twi: nope, you wrote the patches, so it's you who rocks :)
# [21:13] <twi> hehe
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# [21:13] <@ehsan> oh, sorry I missed the other two!
# [21:13] <@ehsan> will land them too right now
# [21:13] <twi> super :)
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# [21:14] <@ehsan> twi: done
# [21:14] <twi> victory, thanks again
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# [21:18] <armenzg> jimm: I would like to push a new merge to Cedar to know where we are with test orangeness
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# [21:18] <armenzg> I am going to be merging
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# [21:21] <bajaj> dvander: ping
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# [21:21] <jimm> armenzg: don't think there's anything in that for win8. there is one patch on inbound currently that hasn't hit mc yet.
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# [21:22] <armenzg> jimm: I should wait then
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# [21:22] <armenzg> I will re-trigger the ones that were failing due to the media package missing
# [21:22] <jimm> armenzg: how about the fix for bug 847879?
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# [21:22] <jimm> should that be addressed in the next set of builds?
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# [21:23] <jimm> ah
# [21:23] <jimm> heh
# [21:23] <armenzg> jimm: yes' that is what I want to tre-trigger
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# [21:23] <armenzg> *retrigger
# [21:23] <jimm> sounds good
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# [21:24] <jimm> armenzg: open issues remaining are the indexedDB test failures (bug 850472) and the direct2d color shifting problem (bug 848936)
# [21:24] <Bas> nrc jimm: It's true, I don't, in this tree :) Sorry!
# [21:25] <armenzg> jimm: is the ETA for the fixes this week or the following one? or don't know
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# [21:25] <jimm> armenzg: those bugs are not currently owned unfortuantely
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# [21:25] <dvander> bajaj, pong
# [21:26] <armenzg> jimm: anything I can help with?
# [21:26] <bajaj> dvander: can you please help uplift patch in https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=842300
# [21:26] <@roc> ehsan: victory!
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# [21:26] <jimm> armenzg: someone needs to make a call in bug 850472 about the indexedDB tests.
# [21:27] <@ehsan> roc: \o/
# [21:27] <bajaj> dvander: for beta/aurora
# [21:27] <jimm> Bas: do you have any ideas on bug 848936? that's holding up getting win8 desktop running on mc.
# [21:27] <armenzg> jimm: ok; on another note, fine if I enable on m-c, m-i and try?
# [21:27] <@ehsan> roc: thanks for not letting me check in the original horrible code that I wrote!
# [21:27] <dvander> bajaj, sure thing
# [21:27] <bajaj> dvander: thanks
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# [21:27] <jimm> armenzg: tests will still fail. will they be hidden?
# [21:27] <Bas> jimm: ATI hardware, I'm guessing?
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# [21:27] <@roc> ehsan: this code is beautiful
# [21:27] <Bas> jimm: Those fail for me locally on m-c too.
# [21:27] <armenzg> jimm: correct
# [21:27] <jimm> Bas: our new testing hardware, let me find the dxdiag
# [21:28] <@ehsan> roc: agreed
# [21:28] <@ehsan> roc: and it actually makes sense now
# [21:28] <jimm> Bas: https://bug847447.bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=723225
# [21:28] <Bas> jimm: -Always- compare m-c reftest runs with reftest runs with your changes, when testing with D2D :)
# [21:29] <Bas> jimm: Our tinderbox test machines are the magical machines where reftests pass, I've never seen them pass with D2D on any other hardware :)
# [21:30] <jimm> Bas: what do you think we should do? fuzzy the heck out of the tests, disable them, ..?
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# [21:30] <jimm> Bas: note all our tinderbox tests on windows are migrating to this new hardware. the mac minis are going away.
# [21:30] <Bas> jimm: Fuzzy them, yes. A subpixel difference of 1 max is really always innocent when it comes to how we do reftests.
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# [21:31] <Bas> jimm: fwiw, I think they're due to GPU rounding not being IEEE 754 compliant
# [21:31] <jimm> hmm, I wonder if reftest annotations supports a |fuzzy if accelerated| switch
# [21:31] <Bas> jimm: They do.
# [21:32] <jimm> Bas: ok, will do. thanks for the feedback.
# [21:32] <Bas> fuzzy-if(d2d, 1, 3000) I believe, for an example.
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# [21:32] <dholbert> bz, how do I trigger style context reparenting, in the way that you were hinting at in https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=849407#c5 ?
# [21:32] <jimm> sweet, thx
# [21:33] <dholbert> bz, I tried reparenting a node (in a way that impacts style, due to a child selector on the new parent), but that didn't trigger any calls to nsFrameManager::ReparentStyleContext or nsStyleSet::ReparentStyleContext
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# [21:35] <@smaug> hmm, abort: push failed:
# [21:35] <@smaug> 'unsynced changes'
# [21:35] <@smaug> oh
# [21:36] <@smaug> hg has just changed error message
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# [21:37] <@bsmedberg> Yoric: I feel like there's some essential mechanism that I'm missing here...
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# [21:38] <@bsmedberg> bent: please verify https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=684887#c19 is ok before I push...
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# [21:38] <Yoric> bsmedberg: this nsIAsyncObserver is just a glorified callback mechanism designed to (hopefully) not break the current shutdown process if we introduce it progressively.
# [21:38] <@bsmedberg> Yoric: yes, it's the thing about spinning the event loop I don't understand
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# [21:39] <Yoric> Why do you want to spin the event loop?
# [21:40] <@bsmedberg> How would you *not* spin the event loop?
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# [21:40] <@bsmedberg> We're in NS_ShutdownXPCOM, the stack is going to unwind and close the program.
# [21:40] <@bsmedberg> You have no choice but to sit in that C++ frame, right?
# [21:41] <tbsaunde> bsmedberg: we could just block, but I think I've been told the xpcom thread rules don't allow that?
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# [21:41] <@bsmedberg> well, what does "just block" mean. How would we have an opportunity to recieve the messages that would unblock shutdown?
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# [21:42] <Yoric> I was actually not talking about NS_ShutdownXPCOM. Let me check the current source.
# [21:42] <tbsaunde> bsmedberg: cond weight and convert the messages to cond signals
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# [21:42] <@khuey> tbsaunde: that's basically what spinning the event loop does under the covers
# [21:42] <tbsaunde> but I really have no idea how xpcom shutdown works, but afaik its the only alternative to spinning the event loop
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# [21:43] <@bsmedberg> Who's sheriffing inbound right now?
# [21:43] <tbsaunde> khuey: yeah, but no events are running on the main thread
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# [21:44] <Yoric> bsmedberg: Do you remember where NS_ShutdownXPCOM is actually implemented?
# [21:44] <Ms2ger> bsmedberg, what's up?
# [21:44] <@bsmedberg> tbsaunde: you'd have to then write all the other code to assume that the main thread could stop processing events, which is not really practical. At least until after xpcom-shutdown-threads, which is way after what we're talking about
# [21:44] <Jasper> Where does Firefox get its focus tracking from on X?
# [21:44] <Jasper> I want to see if I can make it respect _NET_WM_STATE_FOCUSED.
# [21:44] <tbsaunde> bsmedberg: hm ok
# [21:45] <@bsmedberg> Yoric: it gets called from http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/toolkit/xre/nsAppRunner.cpp#1102 which first fires the profile notifications and then calls into NS_ShutdownXPCOM to fire the xpcom-shutdown notifications
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# [21:45] <jimm> armenzg: when do you think we'll be able to start looking at enabling the first set of metro mochitest chrome tests?
# [21:45] <@bsmedberg> Yoric: the plan for early-exit was to basically call exit() ater gDirServiceProvider->DoShutdown()
# [21:46] <Yoric> Ok, got it: http://dxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/xpcom/build/nsXPComInit.cpp#l519
# [21:46] <armenzg> jimm: I will look at the bug this week
# [21:46] <Yoric> bsmedberg: Note that I was not talking about xpcom-shutdown-threads.
# [21:46] <jimm> armenzg: sweet, thx
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# [21:46] <@bsmedberg> Yoric: all roughly the same, though
# [21:46] <Yoric> I was talking about parts of the shutdown process that came before.
# [21:46] <armenzg> I will clear up most of the win8 infra work by tomorrow EOD
# [21:46] <armenzg> yw
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# [21:47] <@bsmedberg> and way way too late to do anything about saving data!
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# [21:47] <Yoric> Which is why I was talking about things that happened before.
# [21:47] <Yoric> quit-application, quit-application-granted, etc.
# [21:47] <@bsmedberg> quit-application is a UI-level notification, FWIW
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# [21:48] <Yoric> I'm trying to remember the exact order of events.
# [21:48] <@bsmedberg> https://wiki.mozilla.org/XPCOM_Shutdown is the normative reference
# [21:48] <@smaug> ah, there it is
# [21:48] <@bsmedberg> the UI events happen before that but aren't reliable
# [21:48] <@smaug> daily clobber
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# [21:49] <Yoric> bsmedberg: So the idea was to use it at various places, but in particular from quit-application-requested to xpcom-will-shutdown.
# [21:49] <Yoric> Not for xpcom-shutdown.
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# [21:49] <Yoric> If I have been misusing the term shutdown, sorry about the confusion.
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# [21:50] <@bsmedberg> yeah, quit-application-requested needs significant work in itself
# [21:50] <Yoric> Although they are all considered part of shutdown in the documentation.
# [21:50] <@bsmedberg> but the places and FHR stuff all seem to basically want to leave storage stuff synced before allowing profile-before-change to finish
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# [21:51] <Yoric> Is that a problem?
# [21:51] <@bsmedberg> no, as long as you're ok with the implementation of that spinning the event loop ;-)
# [21:52] <@bsmedberg> basically you'd need to spin it and wait for completion from nsXREDirProvider::DoShutdown http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/toolkit/xre/nsXREDirProvider.cpp#869
# [21:52] <@bsmedberg> since that is a situation where we can't let the stack unwind
# [21:53] <Yoric> I don't really understand why.
# [21:53] <@bsmedberg> Yeah, that's where I'm stuck. I don't understand why *not* ;-)
# [21:53] <Yoric> If profile-before-change is only fired after all dependencies are satisfied (which requires rewriting the code that fires it as a nsIAsyncObserver or some other comparable mechanism), why would he need to do active wait?
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# [21:53] <Yoric> :)
# [21:54] <@bsmedberg> Yoric: it is fired after the main event loop stops functioning
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# [21:54] <@bsmedberg> you could argue that we should rearrange things so that we only fire it we've completed a bunch of steps first
# [21:54] <Yoric> Is it?
# [21:54] <@bsmedberg> yes
# [21:55] <@bsmedberg> where by "functioning" I mean "we've exited from nsAppShell::Run which is what typically runs the main GUI event loop"
# [21:55] <Yoric> Ok, I thought that only happened later.
# [21:56] <@bsmedberg> no, the normal sequence (currently) is
# [21:56] <@bsmedberg> nsAppStartup determines that we're going to be quitting
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# [21:57] <@bsmedberg> there's a bunch of quit-application-requested and quit-application magic *before* this point
# [21:57] <@bsmedberg> but once we get to http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/toolkit/components/startup/nsAppStartup.cpp#442 we're at the point of no return
# [21:57] <@bsmedberg> that posts a message to the appshell to tell it to exit the main event loop
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# [21:58] <@bsmedberg> the appshell then exits the nsAppShell::Run method, which unwinds to here: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/toolkit/xre/nsAppRunner.cpp#3881
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# [21:59] <Yoric> Actually, the idea is not necessarily to remove any loop spinning that currently happens.
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# [21:59] <@bsmedberg> *then* our stack is very short: basically XRE_main -> XRE_mainRun. As we unwind that stack we shutdown the xredirprovider (which fires the profile-before-change notifications) and then NS_ShutdownXPCOM (which fires xpcom-will-shutdown/xpcom-shutdown/xpcom-shutdown-threads)
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# [21:59] <Yoric> (although removing loop spinning wherever possible could be a good idea)
# [21:59] <Yoric> The idea is to add further constraints.
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# [22:00] <Yoric> So that code that relies on asynchronous or off main thread stuff has a chance to complete before the events are fired.
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# [22:00] <Yoric> So, essentially, at some points, we currently spin the loop and then fire an event.
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# [22:00] <Yoric> This would be converted to spin the loop and then release a constraint.
# [22:01] <Yoric> But the event is fired once all constraints have been released.
# [22:01] <@bsmedberg> Yeah, I think this can happen, but it's going to involve some careful negotiation
# [22:01] <@bsmedberg> and the windows shutdown case is going to be a PITA
# [22:01] <Yoric> I expect so.
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# [22:02] <Yoric> One other use case that has now disappeared but didn't involve shutdown was switching between regular and private browsing, which was rather nasty on everything asynchronous.
# [22:02] <@bsmedberg> anyway, gtg. Sheriffs, I'll be watching inbound from my laptop and I did a full try run on that scary component manager patch, but if there's any trouble with it I plan to eagerly back out, or you can
# [22:02] <Yoric> Yeah, time to call this a night.
# [22:02] <Yoric> bsmedberg: Thanks for the discussion.
# [22:02] <Yoric> And for the clarification.
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# [22:06] <vlad> bz: ping
# [22:06] <vlad> damn, no sicking
# [22:06] <@bz> vlad: ack
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# [22:06] <vlad> haha
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# [22:07] <vlad> bz: so XHR + arraybuffers
# [22:07] <@bz> vlad: On second thought, I don't think I want to be sicking right now. ;)
# [22:07] <vlad> really bad for memory usage for large data downloads
# [22:07] <vlad> (seriously)
# [22:07] <@bz> hmmm
# [22:07] <@bz> Why?
# [22:07] <vlad> we don't trust Content-Length at all, do we?
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# [22:07] <@bz> vlad: nope
# [22:07] <vlad> because we read into a nsCString first, growing it as it goes
# [22:07] <@bz> ok
# [22:07] <vlad> and then when we request .response, we create an ArrayBuffer and copy the data
# [22:07] <@bz> So that should do some doubling + realloc
# [22:07] <bent> bsmedberg, looks good
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# [22:08] <@bz> but don't drop the old string?
# [22:08] <vlad> the nsCString growth does doubling and realloc, so you end up with 512MB when your data is 300MB
# [22:08] <@bz> ah
# [22:08] <@bz> well, so
# [22:08] <vlad> and we don't drop the string when you request response
# [22:08] <@bz> It's possible that we could preallocate the string based on content-length
# [22:08] <@bz> depending
# [22:08] <vlad> can we pre-allocate an arraybuffer?
# [22:09] <avih> RyanVM: could you please help me choose if bug 850846 (decide failure criteria for perf.now test) should block bug 749894 (perf.now oranges) or bug 836869?
# [22:09] <@bz> we could, but we can't resize them
# [22:09] <vlad> that's fine -- we can trust content-length
# [22:09] <vlad> if it ends up being lies
# [22:09] <vlad> then we go back to a string and the slow path
# [22:09] <@bz> There's another problem
# [22:09] <vlad> (slow-er, memory-intense path)
# [22:09] <@bz> content-length is the length on the wire
# [22:09] <vlad> getting .response while reading isn't done?
# [22:09] <@bz> Do we know to what extent that matters for typical use cases here?
# [22:09] <vlad> ah, hm, why's that matter?
# [22:10] <@bz> gzip
# [22:10] <@bz> Content-Encoding: gzip means Content-Length is the length _after_ compression
# [22:10] <vlad> oh content-length is the gzip-encoded bits.. argh.
# [22:10] <vlad> yeah
# [22:10] <@bz> now if people don't do this with gzip-encoded stuff....
# [22:10] <vlad> that's crummy, hrm
# [22:10] <@bz> then maybe it's less of a problem
# [22:10] <vlad> yeah, in theory you shouldn't
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# [22:11] <@bz> so .response during load is not a problem
# [22:11] <vlad> though I can come up with cases where you'll want it
# [22:11] <vlad> but not in our particular use case I guess
# [22:11] <@bz> because for the arraybuffer case we only allow it when DONE
# [22:11] <vlad> ah! perfect
# [22:11] <askalski> hi!
# [22:11] <askalski> is there an official date for b2g phones to hit the shops?
# [22:11] <@bz> (unless it's the chunked-arraybuffer case, in which case it's all fine anyway)
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# [22:11] <vlad> yeah
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# [22:11] <jcranmer> RyanVM | philor | anyone who watches the tree: ping
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# [22:12] <vlad> bz: so as a first easy fix, after we request response, we should blow away mResponseBody
# [22:12] <@bz> vlad: yes
# [22:12] <@bz> vlad: agreed
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# [22:12] <vlad> ok, I will make that patch.. that will help a ton, even though it will mean that we'll have ~800MB in use at one point when we really only need 300MB
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# [22:13] <@bz> Looks like not
# [22:13] <vlad> perfect
# [22:14] <@bz> so yeah, truncating mResponseBody is an obvious win
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# [22:14] <@bz> Do we not have an API to create an arraybuffer with a given memory area?
# [22:14] <vlad> we do not, but we could add one.. it will be the first/only use of an "external" arraybuffer
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# [22:15] <vlad> and it will have to come with serious caveats about not freeing that memory block
# [22:15] <@bz> Yeah
# [22:15] <vlad> wait, I don't see how we can do it in this case
# [22:15] <vlad> you can reuse the XHR..
# [22:15] <vlad> so we'd have to somehow transfer ownership of the memory to the ArrayBuffer itself
# [22:15] <@bz> yes
# [22:15] <@bz> Like allocate it with JS_malloc
# [22:15] <vlad> the string?
# [22:15] <@bz> and let it free it with JS_free
# [22:15] <vlad> yeah
# [22:15] <@bz> the byte array
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# [22:16] <@bz> basically...
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# [22:16] <@bz> ditch the nsCString completely
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# [22:16] <@bz> allocate it with JS_malloc/JS_realloc by hand
# [22:16] <vlad> the other thing is, we -could- add the ability to realloc ArrayBuffers internally
# [22:16] <@bz> using whatever growth algorithm we want
# [22:16] <@bz> That's harder
# [22:16] <@bz> I suspect
# [22:16] <@bz> because the pointers may be baked into jitcode
# [22:16] <vlad> (also, I'd suggest that we'd want a growth algorithm that stops doubling after some point)
# [22:16] <avih> jmaher: i want to retry landing a bug which, among other things, had some regression of tscroll on xp. should i be worried of tscroll regression?
# [22:16] <@bz> so it would have to come with caveats, etc
# [22:16] <vlad> bz: yeah, I mean before js gets a chance to observe it
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# [22:17] <@bz> Well
# [22:17] <@bz> so
# [22:17] <vlad> definitely with caveats
# [22:17] <@bz> one option is to change the nsCString behavior
# [22:17] <@bz> to stop doubling after some point
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# [22:17] <@bz> question being, what point?
# [22:17] <vlad> we should probably do that anyway
# [22:17] <@bz> But then we'd still need two buffers
# [22:17] <vlad> right
# [22:17] <vlad> I think if you're about to add > N bytes, you should just start adding N byte chunks instead of doubling
# [22:18] <@bz> if we can convince the js folks to give us API for creating something with a given buffer
# [22:18] <vlad> where N is something like 16MB
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# [22:18] <@bz> then we wouldn't want to use a string anyway
# [22:18] <vlad> hm, interseting, I think that that's harder
# [22:18] <@bz> just do the growth by hand
# [22:18] <vlad> er, interesting
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# [22:18] <@bz> It seems pretty doable to me
# [22:18] <vlad> oh I see what you mean.. so not create from the string, the ArrayBuffer always owns the memory
# [22:18] <@bz> annoying, but doable
# [22:18] <vlad> we would just hand it
# [22:19] <vlad> er hand it the buffer
# [22:19] <@bz> yeah
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# [22:19] <@bz> so XHR would allocate the buffer with JS_malloc/JS_realloc
# [22:19] <@bz> and then either hand over ownership to the arraybuffer
# [22:19] <@bz> or jsut JS_free itself for the other load types
# [22:19] <@bz> (if desired, we could do the JS thing only if the type is arraybuffer)
# [22:19] <vlad> yeah, I think we can do this
# [22:19] <@bz> That would avoid even the transitory spike as we copy
# [22:19] <@bz> Just needs API
# [22:20] <vlad> yup
# [22:20] <vlad> I can hack in that api
# [22:20] <vlad> so question is, should I just do that, or should I do the patch to drop the responsebody?
# [22:20] <@bz> I mean...
# [22:20] <vlad> I guess I should just do the right thing
# [22:20] <philor> jcranmer: pong
# [22:20] <@bz> 395 ArrayBufferObject::create(JSContext *cx, uint32_t nbytes, uint8_t *contents)
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# [22:20] <jcranmer> philor: a few questions
# [22:20] <vlad> bz: yeah, it's not hard
# [22:20] <jcranmer> 1. What are the rules for landing on m-c instead of m-i
# [22:20] <@bz> but that does copying
# [22:20] <vlad> bz: also note ArrayBufferObject::changeContents
# [22:21] * @bz is looking at existing code
# [22:21] <vlad> I forgot that we track all views now
# [22:21] <jcranmer> especially if I have a patch which shouldn't be touched at all by any FF build
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# [22:21] <@bz> ah, interesting
# [22:21] <@bz> anyway
# [22:21] <jcranmer> 2. If I landed on m-i right now, about when would I expect it to merge to m-c?
# [22:21] <@bz> That would get us the best behavior for this case
# [22:21] <vlad> bz: yeah; ok, I'll work on that
# [22:21] <@bz> at some annoyance cost in other cases....
# [22:21] <jcranmer> maybe "a few" really means two
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# [22:21] <vlad> in which cases?
# [22:21] <vlad> oh, needing to grow?
# [22:22] <@bz> well, the non-arraybuffer ones. ;)
# [22:22] <@bz> Right
# [22:22] <vlad> yeah, but that shouldn't change, right?
# [22:22] <@bz> A side issue is we'd need to make sure the JScontext stays alive
# [22:22] <vlad> just will be some more code in there to manage this
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# [22:22] <@bz> oh, so we'd keep using the nsCString for those?
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# [22:22] <vlad> yeah, I think so
# [22:22] <@bz> Yeah, that's simpler
# [22:22] <vlad> for sanity
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# [22:22] <vlad> we may not need to keep the JSContext alive either -- we technically don't have to allocate against a cx
# [22:23] <vlad> or you mean just for the cached object?
# [22:23] <vlad> hrm, how would you ever request the reponse of a XHR object where the JS context is dead?
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# [22:25] <Waldo> vlad, bz: the context is semi-irrelevant from the JS point of view, except in that it semi-determines the global object for which the ArrayBuffer will be created
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# [22:26] <vlad> bz: actually, no different than what we have right now -- we create an ArrayBuffer JSObject and then cache it for future calls to .response
# [22:26] <Waldo> vlad, bz: ArrayBuffers with external memory is one of those hard things that's been on the list, just gets pretty messy because of ownership issues and all :-\ possibly those have been solved now that we have transferrable stuff, but I'm not sure; sfink might know
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# [22:26] <vlad> Waldo: no external ownership!
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# [22:27] <vlad> We just want to allocate its contents ourselves, I'm probably going to expose a variant of its internal AllocateArrayBufferContents
# [22:27] <Waldo> hmm, maybe
# [22:27] <vlad> it should be pretty trivial, I think
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# [22:28] <sfink> I need to dig up the current state of this. It's a recurring request, and I thought I had added some half-assed way of doing it most recently.
# [22:28] <philor> jcranmer: maybe get merged tonight after RyanVM eats dinner and then comes back to work, maybe in edmorley's UTCish morning, maybe in RyanVM's morning, there's no guarantee of service, particularly given how much we shit on the tree
# [22:28] <vlad> sfink: mind taking a quick look now? otherwise I'm going to write up a patch tonight
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# [22:28] <vlad> using 300MB instead of 800MB during loading is a pretty big deal on 32-bit archs :)
# [22:28] <Waldo> something specifically to create ArrayBuffer memory is plausible
# [22:29] <@bz> or on a 256MB phone? ;)
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# [22:29] <@bz> so our problem is we don't know the length up front
# [22:29] <@bz> so we need a thing that we can allocate
# [22:29] <@bz> then realloc some
# [22:29] <philor> jcranmer: you can push to m-c with DONTBUILD in the commit message, it's just a slightly inconvenient thing for people who merge from m-c to their branches, since if they don't have to merge for the merge, that's their tip commit and their merge doesn't build on their branch
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# [22:29] <@bz> then tell the array buffer "OK, you now totally own this"
# [22:29] <vlad> yeah
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# [22:29] <vlad> API should be simple if something doesn't already exist, though I don't see it in jstypedarray
# [22:29] <Waldo> hm, that's definitely nicer than more external-ish ownership
# [22:30] <jcranmer> philor: okay, point taken, although my decision has been swayed by other events
# [22:30] <sfink> ok, what I was thinking of is JS_StealArrayBufferContents, which now returns both a pointer to the data and a pointer to the real start of the allocated memory
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# [22:30] <vlad> sfink: that's basically exactly what I was thinking of, but instead of Steal, an allocate version of it
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# [22:31] <vlad> sfink: and then the opposite, to create an ArrayBuffer given the base contents ptr
# [22:31] <vlad> oh hey, JS_NewArrayBufferWithContents
# [22:31] <gkw> lsblakk: ping about bug 832706
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# [22:31] <vlad> and JS_AllocateArrayBufferContents
# [22:31] <vlad> sfink: yeah, you already did this :D
# [22:32] <lsblakk> gkw: looking
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# [22:32] <gkw> lsblakk: specifically the last comment, thanks!
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# [22:32] <Waldo> sfink: JS_NewArrayBufferWithContents is missing a null-check, looks like
# [22:32] <sfink> oh. Durn, so I did.
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# [22:32] <vlad> sfink: only thing I might add is a ReallocArrayBufferContents
# [22:33] <vlad> so that we can use realloc() if possible
# [22:33] <@bz> right
# [22:33] <@bz> I was about to say
# [22:33] <vlad> but this would be enough to do this, given content-length info
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# [22:35] <vlad> actually, it's even simpler
# [22:35] * vlad will just write a patch :p
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# [22:35] <sfink> Waldo: huh? null check where? JS_NewArrayBufferWithContents has a null check.
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# [22:36] <Waldo> sfink: JS_NewArrayBufferWithContents is missing a null-check of JSObject *obj = ArrayBufferObject::create(cx, 0); (and really should just assert that the input pointer is non-null, seems to me)
# [22:36] <sfink> oh, uh, yeah
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# [22:41] <sfink> Waldo: r? http://pastebin.mozilla.org/2215421 (warning: the diff is stoopid)
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# [22:41] <Waldo> sfink: r+
# [22:42] <sfink> thx
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# [22:52] <@ehsan> philor: I'll back out my patch, and fix the other one
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# [22:53] <philor> :D
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# [22:55] <wg9s> I is for infrastructure issue r is for retrigger.
# [22:55] <@ehsan> jdm: can you quickly look into what is wrong with this linux test btw?
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# [22:56] <@ehsan> (pretty please?)
# [22:56] <@ehsan> I won't get to do that today :(
# [22:56] <jdm> ehsan: which test?
# [22:56] <@ehsan> jdm: https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/8a1ef77e58f6
# [22:56] <jdm> sure
# [22:57] <wg9s> so "i;r" is for this was retriggered for an infrastucure isse.
# [22:57] <@ehsan> jdm: thanks, I owe you one
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# [22:59] <wg9s> jdm" noproblem
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# [23:13] <bajaj> dzbarsky: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=846710#c11 , pinging to check if we are ready for uplift?
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# [23:13] <njn> I thought I heard that bugzilla 4.2 let you make an attachment from the clipboard, but I can't find that functionality
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# [23:14] <bajaj> dzbarsky: thanks, can you please nominate the patches for approval request :)
# [23:14] <jhammel> njn: see the link text near the file upload box
# [23:14] <njn> jhammel: just found it, thanks
# [23:14] <jhammel> njn: (i'm very excited about that myself)
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# [23:14] <jhammel> now, if it did the third thing that all websites should do and let me point to a url....
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# [23:27] <fryn> RyanVM: just to make sure, once a patch gets aurora approval, you guys will pick it up and push it there without me needing to do anything extra?
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# [23:29] <dzbarsky> bajaj: aurora and beta?
# [23:31] <bajaj> dzbarsky: definitely nominate the patch for both with risk analysis. Considering where we are in the cycle we may/may not approve for beta :)
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# [23:45] <gaston> !seen jesup
# [23:46] <gaston> meh still no firebot
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# [23:50] <jhammel> !seen firebot
# [23:50] <@dolske> heh
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# [23:56] <dholbert> jhammel++
# [23:57] <dholbert> [if jhammel receives a ++, and there's no firebot there to see it, is he really a better person?]
# [23:57] <jhammel> heh
# [23:57] <jhammel> i actually don't really care about firebot karma
# [23:57] <jhammel> blasphemy, i know ;)
# [23:58] <dholbert> jhammel--
# [23:58] <jhammel> heh
# [23:58] <jhammel> give me back my point of non-recorded karma, dammit!
# [23:58] <dholbert> :)
# [23:58] <jcranmer> ++jhammel--
# [23:58] <jhammel> lol
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# Session Close: Thu Mar 14 00:00:00 2013

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