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51. # [00:21] <Hixie> bz_away: yt? (re https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=20701 )
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64. # [00:33] <@dolske> bsmedberg: ping?
65. # [00:34] <@dolske> josh: or you :)
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75. # [00:39] <@smaug> whimboo: I'm super busy at least until the end of this week and then in Paris next week
76. # [00:39] <@smaug> sorry
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78. # [00:40] <@smaug> (Perf work week in Paris)
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81. # [00:40] <whimboo> smaug: ok, no problem
82. # [00:40] <eeejay> anyone know why a scale css transform on a chrome doc takes so long?
83. # [00:40] <eeejay> is it a performance issue?
84. # [00:41] <eeejay> i know that is a crazy thing to do
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87. # [00:42] <JonathanS> No More Google Reader. :'(
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89. # [00:46] <@khuey> we can mark bug 750048 WONTFIX!
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91. # [00:47] <philor> do we have any other default things in the feed preview?
92. # [00:47] <philor> wait, do we still have the feed preview?
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95. # [00:49] <philor> ohgodmyyahoo
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97. # [00:49] <JonathanS> people still use my yahoo?
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99. # [00:50] <philor> seems unlikely
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101. # [00:50] <JonathanS> file a bug?
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104. # [00:51] * Waldo wonders how he's going to follow feeds come July
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107. # [00:51] <philor> huh, the new owners of bloglines at least haven't let the domain registration expire, wonder if they're actually still running it in a not-too-terrible way
108. # [00:52] <@khuey> can we remove the MOZ_PROFILER_NEW not set warning?
109. # [00:52] <dholbert> khuey, I filed https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=850833 on that
110. # [00:53] <@khuey> dholbert++
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112. # [00:53] <dholbert> erm, didn't mean to assign it to myself, though :)
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114. # [00:53] <dholbert> just noticed that
115. # [00:54] <@khuey> haha
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117. # [00:54] <@smaug> khuey: dholbert: I thought BenWa is about to clean that up
118. # [00:54] <dholbert> oh, well that's cool
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121. # [00:55] <dholbert> CC'd him on the bug, so he can confirm/deny
122. # [00:55] <dougt> jduell: ping?
123. # [00:55] <dougt> why isn't the xpt file for necko_websocket being shipped?
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151. # [01:02] <philor> dougt: SeaMonkey and Thunderbird ship it...
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154. # [01:03] <dougt> hmm. sounds like a bug
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161. # [01:07] <@dolske> let's put RSS in the new tab page!
162. # [01:07] <jhammel> ???
163. # [01:07] <JonathanS> dolske, why not to do same thing for view source?
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165. # [01:08] <jhammel> that sounds awesome, but i have no idea what you're talking about ;)
166. # [01:08] * @dolske is referring to the death-of-Google-Reader above.
167. # [01:08] <@dolske> (also joking. mostly)
168. # [01:09] <jhammel> ah
169. # [01:09] <jhammel> itym the death-of-the-last-plausible-use-case-that-RSS-is-user-facing
170. # [01:09] <jhammel> sad
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172. # [01:09] <jhammel> i miss my RSS icons
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174. # [01:10] <BenWa> dholbert: Yes we will clean that up shortly
175. # [01:10] <JonathanS> jhammel, what about feed preview?
176. # [01:10] <dholbert> BenWa, thanks
177. # [01:12] <philor> we should put RSS in Panorama
178. # [01:12] <jhammel> JonathanS: feed preview? for chrome?
179. # [01:12] <JonathanS> jhammel, i mean feed preview in current Firefox builds
180. # [01:12] <mbrubeck> Screw this. I'm building my own web. With blackjack, and RSS icons...
181. # [01:12] <JonathanS> mbrubeck, Bender is that you?
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183. # [01:13] <jhammel> JonathanS: orly? where does it live?
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186. # [01:13] <JonathanS> jhammel example http://www.reddit.com/.rss
187. # [01:14] <jhammel> mbrubeck: let's not forget the sleeping-but-deadly "Are URLs user-facing?" debate
188. # [01:14] <@dolske> philor: ...and call it Persona, of course.
189. # [01:14] <jhammel> JonathanS: you mean just the rendering of RSS feeds in Firefox?
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191. # [01:14] <mbrubeck> I know! I'll build a Firefox extension (or maybe an HTTP proxy?) that automatically does all browsing through the archive.org WayBack machine.
192. # [01:15] <mbrubeck> I'll browse in 1999.... forever
193. # [01:15] <JonathanS> jhammel, yeah
194. # [01:15] <jhammel> mbrubeck: and a user.css that makes everything feel like netscape 4.7
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196. # [01:16] <jhammel> JonathanS: yes, it is quite nice...*but* there's no real discovery for what resources have feeds
197. # [01:16] <mbrubeck> Or just use Netscape 4.7 :)
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199. # [01:16] <Matti> are we still supporting <blink> ?
200. # [01:17] <jhammel> JonathanS: like despite the <link rel="alternate" type="application/rss+xml" title="RSS" href="http://www.reddit.com/.rss" /> in reddit.com's markup, there's no way that this is exposed
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203. # [01:18] <mbrubeck> Well, it's "exposed" (in a non-very-discoverable way) in the Bookmarks menu ("Subscribe to this page") -- not as useful as the old RSS icon, to be sure.
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205. # [01:18] <fryn> jhammel: you can add the toolbar button to your toolbar
206. # [01:18] <fryn> and it will become enabled when there is a feed.
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208. # [01:19] <fryn> Matti: yes, we support <blink>.
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219. # [01:22] <JonathanS> mbrubeck, I knew that features for a long time.
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224. # [01:24] <rillian> didn't the DOM Inspector add-on used to show chrome elements? I can't get it to now
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226. # [01:24] <@khuey> dev-platform has been offered a lot of porn
227. # [01:25] <Callek> khuey: well didn't you hear! its no longer in fear of being illegal in EU
228. # [01:25] <Callek> ;-)
229. # [01:25] <JonathanS> Callek, Did you know Internet is for Porn?
230. # [01:25] <humph> dolske: are you around?
231. # [01:25] <Callek> JonathanS: yes
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234. # [01:26] <@dolske> humph: I am!
235. # [01:26] <humph> dolske: I am stuck, wonder if you could help me, or point me at someone
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238. # [01:26] <Mook_as> rillian: use the menu to make sure it's inspecting the right document? it inspects content by default
239. # [01:26] <JonathanS> EU must have common sense. Who is dumb enough to introduced it.
240. # [01:26] <humph> dolske: we added a captions div to video elements (in c++) for webvtt
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242. # [01:27] <humph> dolske: I need to get the subtitles we inject to the bottom of this div, see http://i.imgur.com/s5u6VJ7.png
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246. # [01:27] <humph> dolske: I tried changing html.css in layout, but it doesn't seem to affect things
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248. # [01:27] <clokep> Mossop: ping
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250. # [01:27] <Mossop> clokep: pong
251. # [01:27] <humph> dolske: I wonder if there are other places one my poke
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253. # [01:27] <humph> might*
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256. # [01:28] <clokep> Mossop: Hey I emailed you a few days ago (last week?), was just curious if you got it. It was about some conflicts we've been having in c-c.
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258. # [01:29] <Mossop> clokep: Ah sorry, I intend to respond but I was sick most of last week and have been distracted in a work week this week. I'll look back over it and get back to you tonight or tomorrow if that's ok
259. # [01:29] <clokep> Mossop: That's no problem. I was concerned it bounced / ended up in your spam. :)
260. # [01:29] <@dolske> humph: ah. you are discovering the joys of "native anonynmous content"
261. # [01:29] <clokep> There's no rush on it!
262. # [01:29] <rillian> Mook_as: that was it, thanks!
263. # [01:29] <humph> dolske: I'm experiencing a lot of joy, yes
264. # [01:29] <Mossop> clokep: Nope, it is sat in my inbox reminding me that I have to reply
265. # [01:30] <humph> any chance I could experience less?
266. # [01:30] <clokep> Mossop: Excellent, thanks so much!
267. # [01:30] <@dolske> humph: well, probably. where/how is your div being added?
268. # [01:30] <humph> nsVideoFrame.cpp
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271. # [01:30] <humph> similar to how a poster goes in
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273. # [01:30] <@dolske> bug #?
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277. # [01:31] <humph> dolske: this part landed, http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/layout/generic/nsVideoFrame.cpp#105
278. # [01:31] <@dolske> oh, I see, that's already in m-c
279. # [01:31] <humph> yeah
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288. # [01:32] <humph> dolske: stupid question, but do content styles affect this?
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290. # [01:33] <@dolske> no, quite deliberately. We don't want to expose implementation details of controls (for example) to the web, because stuff will start relying on it.
291. # [01:33] <humph> right, OK
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293. # [01:34] <humph> that's good, so it's not that I'm being bumped by the page's style
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295. # [01:35] <@dolske> humph: err, sorry, I'm talking DOM-wise. inherited styles can still leak though.
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297. # [01:36] <@dolske> I think you should be able to make "video > div { color: red; }" work in html.css.
298. # [01:36] <humph> alright, I'll keep going then
299. # [01:36] <humph> thanks
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302. # [01:38] <philor> dhylands: busted!
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304. # [01:38] <terrence> dhylands: ping
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312. # [01:42] <philor> dbaron: did you add a too-often Window has gone away?! assertion to libeditor/text/tests/test_bug527935.html?
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314. # [01:42] <@dbaron> philor, eh?
315. # [01:42] <@dbaron> philor, add how?
316. # [01:43] <jhammel> fryn: ah, thank you kindly; i did not know that was there
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318. # [01:44] <dhylands> philor: damn
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320. # [01:44] <philor> dbaron: retriggering back, and when I got to https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Mozilla-Inbound&rev=f5f4ef33fa06 there's one starred already
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325. # [01:46] <@dbaron> philor, I'm going to claim that changing how we count our CSS properties and property aliases, and making @-moz-keyframes subject to the pref that turns off support for prefixes for animations (without changing default behavior) are either going to break substantially more than just that or not be the cause of that problem
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327. # [01:46] <dhylands> philor: Any idea on what the real error is?
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329. # [01:46] <philor> dhylands: I think terrence might
330. # [01:46] <@dbaron> philor, in other words, it's one of those changes where I think "Firefox starts up successfully and looks right" is a pretty thorough test
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333. # [01:47] <@dbaron> philor, but I did indeed notice that that assertion bug has gone beserk today
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335. # [01:47] <mbrubeck> philor: Oops, I think I starred one of those too.
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338. # [01:48] <mbrubeck> and added it to bug 846150
339. # [01:48] <philor> fine by me, though not quite as fine as increasing the annotation
340. # [01:49] <terrence> dhylands: i'm looking at in in a disassembler now
341. # [01:49] <terrence> dhylands: it looks totally insane... maybe a miscompilation
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343. # [01:49] <dhylands> philor: ok - what's the procedure for doing a backout? I tried hg backout but I think I did something wrong
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345. # [01:50] <dhylands> terrence: I'm happy to back this out. I did have a green try run but I did a couple of minor changes which shouldn't have made any difference (famous last words)
346. # [01:50] <tbsaunde> so, does someone want to tell me why my linux64 build just built a file name ARMAssembler.cpp?
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349. # [01:51] <mbrubeck> dhylands: hg backout 29230c04b932 && hg commit -m "Back out 29230c04b932 (Bug 846670) because of broken Linux builds on a CLOSED TREE" && hg push
350. # [01:51] <mbrubeck> something like that should work
351. # [01:51] <mbrubeck> assuming your tree is an up-to-date inbound clone
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353. # [01:52] <dhylands> mbrubeck: thanks - I got part way there...
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355. # [01:53] <terrence> dhylands: yeah, this is actually pretty simple
356. # [01:53] <terrence> dhylands: it has |if (!rc) MOZ_CRASH();|
357. # [01:54] <terrence> dhylands: well, 0 is the success return for pthreads...
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360. # [01:55] <dhylands> terrance: Doh - that's what I get for not actually testing a change (billm had made some suggestions and I just copied and pasted it)
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362. # [01:55] <fryn> jhammel: np :)
363. # [01:55] <terrence> dhylands: heh, figures!
364. # [01:55] <fryn> jhammel: we're working on making our toolbar customization more friendly and discoverable
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367. # [01:56] <@khuey> can you make it not use RDF?
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372. # [01:57] <gavin> khuey: thinking of working on that too, actually
373. # [01:58] <fryn> khuey: that's assigned to dolske as of 2010 ;) https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=559505
374. # [01:58] <jhammel> fryn: heh, well i am no UI expert, but i can say that every time i do anything with it (or try to) i manage to mess something up
375. # [01:58] <fryn> bug name: localstore.rdf kills ponies
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377. # [01:58] * @dolske reassigns
378. # [01:58] <@dolske> (actually, mak is looking at such things now)
379. # [01:58] <fryn> jhammel: just don't insert anything in the section from the back button to the search bar. insert things to the right of the search bar and you're good.
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381. # [01:59] <gavin> dolske: he is?
382. # [01:59] <gavin> I was talking to neil about it today
383. # [01:59] <jhammel> fryn: as a tiny example, adding the RSS button now puts the reload button out of the ... yeah, that
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385. # [01:59] <@khuey> gavin: I don't have words for how awesome that would be
386. # [01:59] <@dolske> wasn't he keen on killing off RDF? I thought he just filed a meta bug about killing it elsewhere
387. # [01:59] <fryn> jhammel: yeah, we're removing our automagically transforming/combining stuff.
388. # [01:59] <@khuey> stab RDF in the face
389. # [02:00] <@khuey> spit on it's grave
390. # [02:00] <jhammel> i also have no idea how to delete things
391. # [02:00] <@khuey> er
392. # [02:00] <@khuey> itsa
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394. # [02:00] <@khuey> *its
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396. # [02:00] <@dolske> bug 833098
397. # [02:00] <fryn> jhammel: you drag it back to the panel. or you can restore default set, if you're lost, and try again. that panel is really old. hasn't changed much since Firefox v1. we're fixing it.
398. # [02:01] <jhammel> dolske: lol
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403. # [02:01] <jhammel> fryn: eh, i try, but it stays around :shrug: anyway, not really looking for a solution, just annoying
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405. # [02:01] <jhammel> but yes, i do find it hard+confusing a la Unfrozen Caveman Lawyer
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416. # [02:08] <NeilAway> humph: you probably want to put video controls CSS in, well, videocontrols.css ;-)
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422. # [02:12] <tbsaunde> NeilAway: on the subject of rdf didn't you have a reason for windowds using rdf?
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430. # [02:16] <jcranmer> tbsaunde: thinking about trashing RDF?
431. # [02:17] <tbsaunde> jcranmer: well, that bit atleast looks like low hanging fruit
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433. # [02:17] <tbsaunde> jcranmer: but I'm not terribly interested in fixing say localstore.rdf myself
434. # [02:18] <froydnj> tbsaunde: but, but, the ponies!
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436. # [02:18] <tbsaunde> froydnj: there's nothing specific to localstore about the pony killing
437. # [02:18] <jcranmer> tbsaunde: bug 835916 strikes me as interesting step towards killing RDF in a few more places in c-c
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441. # [02:20] <tbsaunde> jcranmer: I'll consider writing patches for c-c when its in m-c or maybe just underneath it :)
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444. # [02:21] <jcranmer> tbsaunde: well, the priority of that has just skyrocketed :-)
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447. # [02:23] <tbsaunde> jcranmer: yeah
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450. # [02:24] <jcranmer> I think I can emasculate configure within a week
451. # [02:24] <jcranmer> and actually making c-c build underneath that could happen in less than a month
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531. # [03:09] <yzen> froydnj: ping
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540. # [03:14] <philor> nooooooooo
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543. # [03:17] <philor> dbaron: looks like the increase in Window has gone away?! is from Windows reftests in half the time, can we maybe live with it and annotate it?
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564. # [03:31] <bent> snorp, ping
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568. # [03:36] <@dolske> NeilAway: ...exception that video captions are outside the videocontrol binding.
569. # [03:37] <@dolske> (though, tbh, I'm not sure what the specs say about that)
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586. # [03:50] <@bz_away> Do we have a ToNewUnicode equivalent taking char*?
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588. # [03:51] <@khuey> ToNewCString(nsDependentCString(blah))?
589. # [03:52] * @bz_away ended up doing that, yeah
590. # [03:52] <@bz_away> feels icky
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592. # [03:53] <@bz> I say that as someone calling ToNewUnicode on a frigging char*
593. # [03:53] <@bz> and assigning things into a PRUnichar***
594. # [03:53] <@bz> (yes, really; I wish I could use WebIDL here)
595. # [03:54] <tbsaunde> bz: this is xpidl crap you don't feel like changing to use AString?
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597. # [03:54] <bent> bz, nsCString(strdup())?
598. # [03:55] <bent> or does that copy twice
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601. # [03:55] <bent> nsAdoptingCString(strdup())
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607. # [04:02] <@bz> tbsaunde: I'm returning an array of strings
608. # [04:02] <@bz> tbsaunde: So my options are limited
609. # [04:02] <@bz> see, if this were webidl I'd get an nsTArray<nsString> passed int.
610. # [04:02] <@bz> er, passed in.
611. # [04:02] <tbsaunde> bz: yeah
612. # [04:02] <jcranmer> this is why I'm tempted to make an xpidl type that corresponds to real nsTArray<>
613. # [04:02] <@bz> And I'd fill it in.
614. # [04:02] <@bz> And I'd be done.
615. # [04:02] <@bz> But as it is I get a frigging PRUnichar***
616. # [04:03] <jcranmer> I'm just trying to figure out if all I'd get is a r- "we don't want that" before embarking on such a quest
617. # [04:03] <jcranmer> (xpidl arrays are annoying piles of crap)
618. # [04:03] <tbsaunde> bz: yeah, so one thing I was pondering for returning a set of strings in xpidl was a [notxpcom] method that did the TArray thing and a scriptable wrapper that turned that into a nsIStringEnumerator
619. # [04:03] * @bz ponders converting inspector utils to webidl
620. # [04:04] <@bz> um
621. # [04:04] <tbsaunde> (for the nsITransferable nsISupportsArray stuff)
622. # [04:04] <@bz> I want this to be an array in the JS
623. # [04:04] <@bz> not an enumerator
624. # [04:04] <jcranmer> bz: that's why I want to actually make a real nsTArray parameter
625. # [04:04] <@bz> right
626. # [04:04] <@bz> anyway
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628. # [04:04] <@bz> none of that helps me right now
629. # [04:04] <jcranmer> bz: try nsIVariant?
630. # [04:05] <jcranmer> although I guess you still have to coerce to stupid xpidl crap to fill it
631. # [04:05] <tbsaunde> jcranmer: you want to teach xpconnect how to do that transformation?
632. # [04:05] <jcranmer> tbsaunde: yeah
633. # [04:05] <tbsaunde> bz: fair enough
634. # [04:05] <@bz> jcranmer: just not worth it
635. # [04:06] <jcranmer> bz: I've learned one thing at my time at Mozilla
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637. # [04:06] <jcranmer> dead technologies are going to be heavily used for a long time to come
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640. # [04:06] <jcranmer> there are scenarios where transitioning from xpidl is not feasible
641. # [04:07] <jcranmer> and I might as well make life easier for those people if no one else is going to
642. # [04:07] <tbsaunde> jcranmer: which? you have js and C++ impls?
643. # [04:07] <jcranmer> yep
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645. # [04:07] <@dolske> C++? Totally a dead technology. ;)
646. # [04:07] <jcranmer> actually, mostly C++ impls but lots of JS and C++ callers
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652. # [04:08] <@bz> dolske: you should see mccr8's patches. ;)
653. # [04:09] <jcranmer> C++ is much easier to refactor
654. # [04:09] <@bz> jcranmer: but yeah, dead technologies have a tendency to zombiefy
655. # [04:09] <@bz> zombify?
656. # [04:09] <tbsaunde> the fact those patches are a good idea makes me sort of sad
657. # [04:09] <@bz> tbsaunde: which patches?
658. # [04:09] <tbsaunde> jcranmer: and generally reason about
659. # [04:10] <@bz> tbsaunde: mccr8's?
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661. # [04:10] <tbsaunde> bz: supporting implementing stuff in js
662. # [04:10] <@bz> dolske: so I have a question for you, actually
663. # [04:10] <@bz> dolske: you know anything about our JS-implemented web-exposed stuff?
664. # [04:10] <@dolske> uh oh
665. # [04:10] <tbsaunde> bz: like given people are going to do it its a good idea
666. # [04:11] <@dolske> bz: hmm, maybe a bit tangentally, but mainly only stuff like videocontrols.
667. # [04:11] <@bz> dolske: I'm trying to get a better handle on the requirements, so looking for someone who's in the loop on it
668. # [04:11] <@bz> dolske: ok
669. # [04:11] <tbsaunde> but I'd much rather they not and either use C++ or beat rust into working in gecko
670. # [04:11] <@bz> dolske: do you know who might?
671. # [04:11] <@bz> tbsaunde: why?
672. # [04:11] <@dolske> bz: I assume you're talking about "implement random DOM API in JS" kinds of things?
673. # [04:11] <@bz> tbsaunde: (honest question)
674. # [04:11] <@bz> dolske: yes
675. # [04:12] <@dolske> bz: hmm. not beyond the usual suspects (sicking, jst, bkap, etc)
676. # [04:12] <tbsaunde> bz: mostly what jcranmer said its easier to refactor and reason about statically typed things
677. # [04:12] <bent> bz, gwagner has written a few DOM APIs in JS
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679. # [04:12] <jcranmer> I implement stuff in JS in TB mostly because it looks like the sanest way to go
680. # [04:12] * bent waves at the bus
681. # [04:12] <@dolske> and how could I forget bent :)
682. # [04:12] <tbsaunde> bz: also its nice to be able to be able to assume that functions won't gc / flush layout etc
683. # [04:13] <bent> dolske, i'm all c++ :)
684. # [04:13] <jcranmer> (I get the feeling that Mozilla is slowly threatening to kill off the C++ API)
685. # [04:13] <bent> dolske, until bz implements locks and condition variables in webidl that is
686. # [04:14] <@dolske> bent: locks in JS?! ....oh.
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688. # [04:14] <tbsaunde> bz: am I being crazy?
689. # [04:14] <@bz> bent: thanks!
690. # [04:14] <@dolske> I think I made half our new DEs fall over in shock. :)
691. # [04:14] * @bz sends mail
692. # [04:15] <@bz> bent: heh
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694. # [04:15] <tbsaunde> dolske: run to completion can be kind of anoying sometimes
695. # [04:15] <@bz> tbsaunde: you're right, but it can be faster to prototype and evolve code in JS
696. # [04:15] <bent> bz, seriously though, gwagner might be your guy
697. # [04:15] <@bz> bent: yeah, I'm sending him mail
698. # [04:15] <bent> ah ok
699. # [04:15] <tbsaunde> bz: I'll buy that's true for some people (though certainly not me)
700. # [04:17] <tbsaunde> bz: the can flush thing maybe somewhat specific to me / a11y
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704. # [04:19] <@bz> tbsaunde: ah, yeah, the can flush thing is pretty important for some sorts of code
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706. # [04:19] <@bz> tbsaunde: I think we just need to be deliberate about what we implement in which language
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708. # [04:20] <gwagner> bz: reuben is your guy. he started porting the contacts api which is implemented in JS
709. # [04:21] <tbsaunde> bz: yeah
710. # [04:21] <@bz> gwagner: porting to what?
711. # [04:21] <@bz> gwagner: mccr8's stuff?
712. # [04:21] <gwagner> webidl
713. # [04:21] <@bz> gwagner: webidl+C++, or webidl+JS?
714. # [04:21] <reuben> webidl + JS
715. # [04:21] <@bz> reuben: Ah, you're here!
716. # [04:21] <@bz> reuben: you're using mccr8's new stuff?
717. # [04:22] <reuben> bz: no, I've just started reading on WebIDL and how it works.
718. # [04:22] <gwagner> reuben: bug 827486
719. # [04:22] <tbsaunde> I think refactoring xpcom crap may have convinced me static typing was a really good idea more than Bob Harper managed to which is impressive
720. # [04:22] <gwagner> not even landed :)
721. # [04:24] <@bz> very new
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723. # [04:24] <reuben> yes, what I meant is that I haven't actually written anything other than converting .idl files to .webidl :)
724. # [04:24] <@bz> reuben: lemme resend you the mail I just sent gwagner
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731. # [04:26] <@bz> reuben: ok
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733. # [04:27] <reuben> bz: just got it, thanks
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746. # [04:31] <reuben> hey! gwagn… god damn it
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749. # [04:32] <@bz> reuben: hmm?
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751. # [04:33] <bent> he left
752. # [04:35] <reuben> bz: yea, I think he just dodged having to reply to that email. he is in fact your guy, since he's implemented multiple APIs in JS. I'll need more time before I can answer your questions :P
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758. # [04:37] <philor> grr, I really don't want to back out Windows reftests in half the time
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761. # [04:38] <philor> going from five unexpected mochitest assertions a day to fifty really isn't that big an increase, is it?
762. # [04:39] <RyanVM> philor: on the bright side, there's a patch up for review for it
763. # [04:39] <@bz> reuben: heh
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765. # [04:39] <@bz> reuben: well, whatever you guys can tell us... ;)
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767. # [04:39] <RyanVM> on the bad side, we'll see how long the review takes
768. # [04:39] <@bz> reuben: worst-case we find things the hard way as we implement and fail. ;)
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771. # [04:40] <philor> well, let's have an open inbound, see if we can't get some more bustage landed tonight
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774. # [04:43] <tbsaunde> hm I don't think I have any reviewed and known buted patches :(
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776. # [04:45] <Waldo> I landed all my stuff earlier
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784. # [04:53] <bent> bz, also, mrbkap did wifi in js i think
785. # [04:55] * philor wonders what on earth "submitBugzillaComment.php error: Content-Type application/json had a problem with your request. ***ERROR*** missing low surrogate character in surrogate pair, at character offset 1512 ["dc00b, expected ab\n..."] at /usr/local/share/perl/5.10.0/Catalyst/Action/Deserialize/JSON.pm line 26, <$fh> line 1. " means
786. # [04:55] <nigelb> A PHP page throwing a perl error? ew.
787. # [04:56] <philor> being fed a Perl error by an API by the name of BzAPI
788. # [04:56] <nigelb> ah
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791. # [04:57] <philor> I'm sure it's entirely tbpl's fault, because BzAPI is in all cases blameless, but that's submitting a comment for bug 696306 like we've done 400 times before
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793. # [04:57] <nigelb> can you link me to the page you're seeing this? I can probably debug a bit with the console.
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795. # [04:58] <nigelb> unless you're already doing the debugging.
796. # [04:58] <philor> no, and no
797. # [04:59] <philor> since reproing requires having an unstarred instance of that failure in a test that's by now disabled on every branch above esr17
798. # [04:59] <nigelb> ah
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801. # [05:01] <philor> oh, sweet, it's actually been busted forever, but the test has two failure modes, one that does and one that doesn't contain the extra stuff in https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=20630149&tree=Mozilla-Esr17
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803. # [05:02] <philor> so the bug only shows 400 of what must have been more like 1200 failures, because tbpl used to just eat error messages from BzAPI
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812. # [05:06] <MattN> philor: mind helping me star B2G R5 on m-c? it doesn't seem to match bug 818103 since it's doesn't have the text "This usually indicates the B2G process has crashed"
813. # [05:08] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/1987fe6f38d5 - Luke Wagner - Bug 850548 - fix ion::StackAlignment value on non-GNU (r=dvander)
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815. # [05:08] <philor> firey!
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818. # [05:09] <philor> MattN: okay, start on step one, which is to work yourself up to a massive rage
819. # [05:09] <MattN> I'm out of practice on that one
820. # [05:09] <philor> wait, wtf, http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/search?string=background-image-gradient-1-ref.html
821. # [05:10] <philor> the rage is essential for feeling good about the step where you say "screw this, I'm not wasting my time filing this bogus crap"
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825. # [05:11] <MattN> https://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/layout/reftests/css-calc/reftest.list
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827. # [05:11] <MattN> not sure why MXR didn't find that
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831. # [05:12] <fryn> use DXR, yo
832. # [05:12] <fryn> dxr.mozilla.org
833. # [05:12] <MattN> no
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835. # [05:12] <fryn> they improved it a lot
836. # [05:12] <fryn> it's pretty great now
837. # [05:12] <MattN> I tried last month
838. # [05:13] <philor> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=685516#c13
839. # [05:13] <MattN> heh
840. # [05:13] <fryn> orly? :( it works well for me. returns results much faster than MXR without having to remember to choose identifier or file path, etc.
841. # [05:14] <MattN> fryn: I don't remember what things bothered me atm.
842. # [05:15] <philor> I'm not quite clear on why b2g is !bug685516
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844. # [05:16] <@dolske> is DXR better with not-C[++] now?
845. # [05:16] <MattN> oh, yeah, it didn't work good with JS iirc
846. # [05:17] <jcranmer> dolske: someone is working on getting the JS static analysis in place
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848. # [05:17] <jcranmer> but we're probably still a few months out from that
849. # [05:17] <@dolske> jcranmer: I actually care more about simple string searches than smart JS stuff, but perhaps I am jaded from years of MXR's "lol, no, that is totally not a useful identifier search"
850. # [05:18] <philor> oh, random-if, it wouldn't matter
851. # [05:18] <philor> MattN: okay, I'll just file it against b2g and it'll ___
852. # [05:19] <tbsaunde> jcranmer: once we have that working we should really put it in the tree so you don't have have to spend time debugging stupid crap like "you idiot you typoed "fooBar as foobar"
853. # [05:19] <jcranmer> dolske: well, DXR supports regex search :0(
854. # [05:19] <jcranmer> er, :-)
855. # [05:19] <MattN> philor: thanks
856. # [05:19] <fryn> dolske: yeah, but it's so much easier for me to skim the search results in DXR because of the formatting.
857. # [05:19] <fryn> bold is easy for my eyes to filter on: http://dxr.allizom.org/search?tree=mozilla-central&q=mTabstrip&redirect=true
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859. # [05:20] <fryn> whereas, MXR looks like: https://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/search?string=mTabstrip ah my eyes!
860. # [05:20] <philor> how tiny an amount of bugmail do normal people get?
861. # [05:20] <MattN> fryn: that would be easy to fix in MXR :P
862. # [05:20] <philor> I keep seeing comments that are exactly "review ping?" without the persons name or nick, and every time as I archive them without giving any thought to who the reviewer might be, I wonder if the reviewer is doing the same thing
863. # [05:21] * hwine is now known as hwine-zzz
864. # [05:21] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/6bbd7ce8308e - Chris Double - Bug 848639 - Prevent DecodeHeader for Ogg Skeleton tracks from failing on valid indexes - r=cpearce
865. # [05:21] <gw280> hah!
866. # [05:21] <gw280> I never noticed this before during a build:
867. # [05:21] <gw280> creating ./config.status
868. # [05:21] <gw280> Reticulating splines...
869. # [05:22] <ewong> oh yay! firebot's back!
870. # [05:22] <aja> !seen firebot
871. # [05:22] <firebot> I'm right here, duh!
872. # [05:22] <jcranmer> gw280: you're at least the third person to realize that
873. # [05:23] <gw280> jcranmer: lol
874. # [05:23] <gw280> jcranmer: is it a new addition?
875. # [05:23] <seth> yeah i had to crack a smile at that too =)
876. # [05:23] <fryn> firebot: yay!
877. # [05:23] <firebot> fryn: rheeet!
878. # [05:23] <fryn> firebot: botsnack
879. # [05:23] * firebot beams
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881. # [05:24] <aja> ++jhammel--
882. # [05:24] <aja> should be aht up nowll caug
883. # [05:24] <@dolske> firebot: tell fryn about soft kitty
884. # [05:24] <firebot> dolske: told fryn
885. # [05:25] <aja> erm....should be all caught up now
886. # [05:25] <fryn> x)
887. # [05:25] <jcranmer> gw280: it's a week or two old
888. # [05:25] <gw280> jcranmer: ah
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960. # [06:29] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/06f85e10a40c - John Daggett - Bug 847272 - avoid userfontset updates within font stream handling methods. r=jkew
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975. # [06:40] <@dbaron> bz, did you intend to make a new review request in 839443?
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979. # [06:47] <@bz> dbaron: yes, I did
980. # [06:47] <@bz> dbaron: the only difference is an iid rev, fwiw
981. # [06:48] <@bz> dbaron: But I must have forgotten the -r arg. :(
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984. # [06:48] <@dbaron> bz, k
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990. # [06:59] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/8af239e2e57c - Fabrice Desré - Bug 848615 - B2G: IPC's nsStringBuffer leak r=bent
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999. # [07:14] <philor> bnicholson: still looks pretty busted to me
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1002. # [07:17] <rnewman> philor: what looks busted?
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1004. # [07:19] <philor> rnewman: that snuck by me, didn't realize it was a 4 day old failure I'd never seen
1005. # [07:19] <rnewman> (the rc2, right?)
1006. # [07:19] <philor> yep, that's all there is so far
1007. # [07:20] <rnewman> kk
1008. # [07:20] <mixedpuppy> I know this sounds counter intuitive, but is there any way to prevent firefox from updating flash?
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1010. # [07:21] <rnewman> mixedpuppy: plugins.update.*?
1011. # [07:21] <glob> happy bmo push day! http://globau.wordpress.com/2013/03/14/happy-bmo-push-day-34/
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1034. # [08:03] <@dolske> mixedpuppy: firefox doesn't update flash. the adobe updater does, though.
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1049. # [08:18] <mixedpuppy> dolske: ok, thanks
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1066. # [08:40] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/c5e8cbefa8c8 - Makoto Kato - Bug 850957 - Update injection test for some functions. r=ehsan
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1088. # [09:01] <smontagu> something wrong in my aurora push :(
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1095. # [09:04] <smontagu> ok, missing hunk, fix imminent
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1110. # [09:24] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/fa2ffdf930be - Daniel Holbert - Bug 841827: Mark flex container frame as having a relative height, if it's abspos w/ auto-height and top,bottom both set. r=dbaron
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1132. # [09:43] <SDUP> what do i have to do in order to access to my xpcom comp. written in c++ from a js script inside a web page ?
1133. # [09:43] <SDUP> without the XPConnect privilege (deprecated since fx13)
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1153. # [10:04] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/96af92fa87fd - Fernando Jiménez - Bug 843309 - paymentSuccess sometimes does not appear in scope (payment window does not close); r=fabrice
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1173. # [10:32] <reuben> SDUP: if I remember the discussions that happened around then, writing an add-on is the path to go if you *really* need to access XPCOM
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1175. # [10:34] <SDUP> the problem is that it seems that there's dozens "path to go"
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1177. # [10:36] <SDUP> reuben ; which one is the true path is what i want to know
1178. # [10:37] <reuben> SDUP: really? what other paths have you seen? I'd be surprised if we other means to get to Components weren't removed as part of the same set of changes that shipped in Fx13
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1182. # [10:41] <SDUP> well, you can inherit from nsIJSNativeInitializer in your class, and register it in the following categories : JAVASCRIPT_DOM_INTERFACE or JAVASCRIPT_GLOBAL_PROPERTY_CATEGORY or JAVASCRIPT_GLOBAL_CONSTRUCTOR
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1185. # [10:43] <SDUP> you create your xpcom component as a native JS object
1186. # [10:43] <SDUP> that's what i intended to do with my classes
1187. # [10:43] <reuben> oh, and then expose it to every webpage. yea for some reason I was imagining something that was only seen by your website
1188. # [10:46] <SDUP> i only shipped the components with a xulrunner-stub to render local web page (with file:// and chrome://)
1189. # [10:47] <SDUP> in the chrome context, there's no problem using the Components object because there's less restriction but i also want to access my xpcom component in a web page (accessed from a file URI)
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1191. # [10:47] <reuben> I see. so what's wrong with the global constructor approach?
1192. # [10:49] <SDUP> well, i can instantiate my components (marked as JS wrapper to xpcom obj.) but i can't invoke their methods
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1197. # [10:52] <SDUP> i saw that i can create and have access to my xpcom obj. as native JS objects using the interface above but i still wondering why i have to set classInfo with DOM_OBJECT and register the IIDs of my xpcom comp. in the DOM_INTERFACE category
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1205. # [11:00] <reuben> SDUP: AFAIK (and quickly checking by jumping around MXR), it's because that allows your object to be wrapped/accessed by content. it's like saying "I'm aware that this will be called by unprivileged code". the people who can give you a better answer are sleeping, you should try #content during PDT work hours
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1208. # [11:02] <SDUP> reuben : thx for the tip (and i'll be sleeping too when they'll wake up )
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1210. # [11:03] <Ms2ger> What are you doing?
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1236. # [11:32] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/81b7759d33e9 - Jonathan Kew - bug 816709 - HiDPI support for Win8 Metro. r=jimm
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1243. # [11:40] <@roc> bold
1244. # [11:41] <Ms2ger> italic
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1246. # [11:43] <@roc> I was a little bit surprised we flipped the switch for HiDPI in regular Windows
1247. # [11:43] <@roc> it's good, but bold
1248. # [11:44] <smontagu> reminds me of "Yes Minister"
1249. # [11:44] <smontagu> a bold move loses votes, a courageous move loses the election
1250. # [11:44] <smontagu> or something like that
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1255. # [11:52] <annevk> heh
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1257. # [11:53] <annevk> smontagu: anyway we can resolve https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=849113 somehow?
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1261. # [11:55] <smontagu> annevk: I already suggested resolved: WONTFIX
1262. # [11:56] <smontagu> I think the reasons proposed are too theoretical and idealistic and we need it in the real world
1263. # [11:57] <annevk> if nobody is maintaining the code and we're not interested in making it work better or standardizing it, that does not really seem like a sensible long term solution
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1283. # [12:14] <Ms2ger> jimm--
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1286. # [12:17] <@smaug> Yoric: oh, I don't need to take train to Gare de Nord and then metro. 20 mins walk from a train station sounds better
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1288. # [12:17] <Yoric> smaug: Let me post the instructions.
1289. # [12:17] <@smaug> Yoric: I saw the intranet page
1290. # [12:17] <@smaug> s/de/du/
1291. # [12:17] <Yoric> I mean the walking instructions.
1292. # [12:18] <@smaug> ah
1293. # [12:18] <Ms2ger> "Walk there"
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1295. # [12:18] <nigelb> I love the London office's walking instructions.
1296. # [12:18] <nigelb> it's a video that christian took on his walk in.
1297. # [12:22] * @smaug should prepare for a week eating only cheese
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1299. # [12:22] <Yoric> nigelb: That's a nice idea.
1300. # [12:23] <Yoric> smaug: updated
1301. # [12:23] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/04695ce03bb6 - Brian Hackett - Bug 836968 - Cache shapes for JSON objects and assign types to constructed JSON objects and arrays, r=waldo,jandem.
1302. # [12:23] <nigelb> Yoric: Yeah, it helps me visualize the turns, so I know I'm looking for the right milestones :)
1303. # [12:23] <Yoric> Well, in that case, as smaug can see on the map, there is only one turn :)
1304. # [12:23] <@smaug> yeah, looks trivial
1305. # [12:23] <nigelb> ah, that's less confusing.
1306. # [12:23] <nigelb> London office has like... 6 turns?
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1309. # [12:25] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/cf64837a7dd7 - Kartikaya Gupta - Bug 847002 - Guard against going into codepaths that assume GetLayerManager doesn't return null. r=Cwiiis
1310. # [12:25] * pmoore|away is now known as pmoore
1311. # [12:25] <@smaug> Yoric: the new office isn't ready yet, right?
1312. # [12:25] <Yoric> Almost, but not quite yet.
1313. # [12:25] * @smaug wonders why opening new offices takes so much time.
1314. # [12:26] <Yoric> Our first day in the new office should be April 2nd.
1315. # [12:26] <Yoric> I have no real idea.
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1317. # [12:26] <Ms2ger> They need to force all the engineers out of the old one
1318. # [12:26] <annevk> smaug: wiring, security, moving everything, etc.
1319. # [12:26] <@smaug> but still
1320. # [12:26] <Ms2ger> Many haven't seen daylight for months
1321. # [12:27] <@smaug> constructing the new Paris office has taken how many months ? 6?
1322. # [12:27] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/7d91d21471d0 - Kartikaya Gupta - Back out d501d97c05a6 (bug 847002) because it doesn't help. r=me
1323. # [12:27] <annevk> smaug: organising the floor space can take up weeks from what I heard
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1326. # [12:27] <annevk> smaug: and we don't have someone full time there either
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1328. # [12:28] <edmorley> Ms2ger: lol
1329. # [12:28] <edmorley> Ms2ger: good morning btw :-)
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1331. # [12:29] <edmorley> nigelb: it's actually less turns if you don't take the immediate first left, and take the next (avoids zigzagging and is the same distance afaict)
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1333. # [12:30] <annevk> also has the nice old book and map shops
1334. # [12:30] <edmorley> nigelb: the only downside is that you are on the main street for slightly longer, which can be full of tourists blocking the path
1335. # [12:30] <edmorley> annevk: indeed :-)
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1342. # [12:39] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/ea13caf078a7 - Olli Pettay - Bug 847586 - Paris binding for MutationEvent, r=Ms2ger
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1344. # [12:39] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/46ba7eb77ae1 - Olli Pettay - Bug 847589 - Paris binding for AnimationEvent, r=Ms2ger
1345. # [12:39] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/6ab8497cb00f - Olli Pettay - Bug 847599 - Paris binding for TransitionEvent, r=Ms2ger
1346. # [12:40] <Yoric> Paris bindings?
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1348. # [12:40] <Yoric> I guess we must have a dungeon in our new offices.
1349. # [12:40] <@smaug> less boring than WebIDL bindings
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1354. # [12:48] <nigelb> edmorley: AH. Noted for next time :)
1355. # [12:48] <nigelb> edmorley: Probably for the good that I didn't spot the bookstore.
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1357. # [12:49] <edmorley> they quite often have some pretty cool first editions and things in there
1358. # [12:50] <nigelb> I don't have enough self control to walk into a bookstore and not buy a book :)
1359. # [12:52] <edmorley> nigelb: or a kobo :-)
1360. # [12:53] <nigelb> Exactly.
1361. # [12:53] <nigelb> The Kobo is helping, but now I just buy the book on Kobo instead :|
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1365. # [12:57] <darktrojan> anyone about who knows about the places component?
1366. # [12:57] <Unfocused> #places ?
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1368. # [12:59] <darktrojan> they have enough to talk about for a channel?
1369. # [12:59] <darktrojan> also nm, found the bug
1370. # [12:59] <Ms2ger> edmorley, good afternoon to you too :)
1371. # [12:59] <Unfocused> mostly its there for historical reasons :)
1372. # [12:59] <darktrojan> that is the point of the component, too
1373. # [13:00] <Unfocused> heh
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1379. # [13:06] * Ms2ger should try gold
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1383. # [13:09] <Ms2ger> IETF meeting, eh
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1408. # [13:29] <AryehGregor> Wow, gold uses like 1.6G of RAM instead of >3G. That sure fixes the problem.
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1413. # [13:32] <Ms2ger> AryehGregor, how did you install it?
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1415. # [13:32] <AryehGregor> Ms2ger, sudo apt-get install binutils-gold
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1417. # [13:33] <Ms2ger> And that's all that's needed?
1418. # [13:34] <AryehGregor> Yes.
1419. # [13:34] <AryehGregor> Some page on the Chromium website claimed this breaks kernel/kernel module builds, but I ignored it because I don't do those anyway.
1420. # [13:34] <Ms2ger> Neat
1421. # [13:34] <annevk> whoa AryehGregor!
1422. # [13:34] * AryehGregor has resurfaced for a couple of weeks during break
1423. # [13:35] <annevk> sweet, wb
1424. # [13:35] <Ms2ger> Oh hey, is this a DOM editors meeting? :)
1425. # [13:35] <annevk> resolved: introduce new holes for bz to trip over
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1427. # [13:36] <Ms2ger> I think the DOM is too JSy
1428. # [13:36] <annevk> Less TC39, more C++?
1429. # [13:36] <Ms2ger> sgtm
1430. # [13:36] <annevk> bring back the constants!
1431. # [13:37] <AryehGregor> Can someone remind me how to revert some revisions in hg in a stupid, non-repository-aware, "apply reverse patch" way?
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1433. # [13:37] <AryehGregor> That doesn't take like three minutes?
1434. # [13:37] <sheppy> More assembly language!
1435. # [13:37] <Ms2ger> Er, hg diff | patch?
1436. # [13:37] * sheppy crawls back into the 1970s.
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1440. # [13:39] <sheppy> I didn't switch away from primarily coding in assembly until around 1997. :)
1441. # [13:39] <sheppy> My latest project only has about 150 lines of asm code though.
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1443. # [13:39] <Ms2ger> Some people are weird :)
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1445. # [13:40] <sheppy> Yeah, I don't get people that don't use assembly either.
1446. # [13:40] * sheppy once wrote a series of articles on PowerPC assembly.
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1451. # [13:41] * AryehGregor pipes through sed 's/PRInt32/int32_t/g'
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1456. # [13:44] <AryehGregor> Can I just CC Alice on a bug and ask for a regression range?
1457. # [13:45] <AryehGregor> Is she paid, or just a random crazy person?
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1459. # [13:46] <sheppy> Haha
1460. # [13:46] <sheppy> As opposed to one of us paid crazy people?
1461. # [13:46] <Ms2ger> She's unpaid
1462. # [13:46] <Ms2ger> But she'll probably still do it
1463. # [13:48] <Ms2ger> Oh, wow
1464. # [13:48] <sheppy> Hm?
1465. # [13:49] <Ms2ger> A debug build that had to link libxul in < 15 minutes
1466. # [13:49] <Ms2ger> I should've done this long ago
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1475. # [13:55] <ttaubert> whimboo: ping
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1477. # [13:57] <whimboo> ttaubert: hi!
1478. # [13:57] <ttaubert> whimboo: hey! you wanted that wired article, right?
1479. # [13:57] <ttaubert> whimboo: I can take some pictures for you if you want :)
1480. # [13:58] <whimboo> ttaubert: yeah. that would be great. no chance for me to buy a printed one
1481. # [13:58] <whimboo> ttaubert: would be fantastic!
1482. # [13:58] <ttaubert> whimboo: ok, is your address whimboo@moz?
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1484. # [13:58] <whimboo> ttaubert: no. hskupin@.. :)
1485. # [13:59] <whimboo> thanks
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1489. # [14:02] <ttaubert> k :)
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1498. # [14:07] <AryehGregor> So this newfangled needinfo thing -- is it considered good etiquette for me to flag people like ehsan with it when asking for their feedback? I dunno what it's meant to be used for.
1499. # [14:07] <@bz_sleep> yes
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1501. # [14:07] <@ehsan> AryehGregor: yeah
1502. # [14:08] <@bz_sleep> it's meant to be used for asking a particular person
1503. # [14:08] <@bz_sleep> as opposed to just commenting in the bug and hoping they notice
1504. # [14:08] <Fe2000> Hi everyone! I'm looking for a developer for a simple extension to Thunderbird.. anyone can help me? Please reply in pvt. thanks!
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1509. # [14:10] <AryehGregor> Okay. :)
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1521. # [14:21] <JosiahOne> Fe2000: Your question isn't clear. Are you making an extension and need some help. If so, just ask the question.
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1531. # [14:24] <Fe2000> ok! i would like to develop an extension for Thunderbird that - when TB is launched - retrieves from a server (a) the list of folders that the given user has to subscribe and (b) the identities to use as sender when composing a new message.
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1533. # [14:25] <Fe2000> I need the help of a developer
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1537. # [14:27] <JosiahOne> Fe2000: Ironically, #developers is probably not the place to ask this. I don't know if we have an extensions room, but you should probably ask the question on #maildev. Actually, perhaps #thunderbird. Join one, ask the question, they will tell you where to go from there.
1538. # [14:27] <edmorley> Fe2000: it may also be a bit quiet on IRC until the US wakes up :-)
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1540. # [14:27] <JosiahOne> Fe2000: Well, at least until California does. :)
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1542. # [14:28] <Fe2000> :O i see…. so #developers is not the channel of developers
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1544. # [14:28] <JosiahOne> Fe2000: Developers who work on Firefox on TB directly mostly.
1545. # [14:28] <JosiahOne> Fe2000: Not so much extensions.
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1549. # [14:29] <JosiahOne> "On Firefox and TB" I mean.
1550. # [14:29] <Fe2000> … thanks to help me clarifying the point. I actually do not need to make an "extension", i need to modify TB. With or without an extension, that totally the same to me.
1551. # [14:29] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/44810fa6c312 - Ed Morley - Backed out changeset 6ab8497cb00f (bug 847599)
1552. # [14:29] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/630d841daf46 - Ed Morley - Backed out changeset ea13caf078a7 (bug 847586)
1553. # [14:29] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/9f128f1af706 - Ed Morley - Backed out changeset 46ba7eb77ae1 (bug 847589) for crashes on a CLOSED TREE
1554. # [14:29] <JosiahOne> Firebot, your back!
1555. # [14:29] <firebot> JosiahOne: Sorry, I've no idea what 'your back' might be.
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1557. # [14:30] <JosiahOne> Fe2000: Well, if you just want to ask whatever question you have, we might be able to answer it here.
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1562. # [14:32] <AryehGregor> If I'm updating a .webidl file and changing the interface, I don't have to do anything equivalent to updating IIDs in ye olde days, do I?
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1564. # [14:34] <Ms2ger> Indeed
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1568. # [14:34] <AryehGregor> Yay.
1569. # [14:34] <edmorley> firebot: botsnack
1570. # [14:35] * firebot smiles
1571. # [14:35] <RyanVM> yay, firebot's back
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1573. # [14:35] <Fe2000> JosiahOne: The "question" is that i'm not a developer… and i'm seeking someone that can do it
1574. # [14:36] <JosiahOne> Fe2000: Hehe. Yeah, then you will not get any info from here. :) I'm not sure where you should go if you want someone to do this for you.
1575. # [14:36] <JosiahOne> Firebot, go throw yourself a party.
1576. # [14:36] <firebot> JosiahOne: Sorry, I've no idea what 'go throw yourself a party' might be.
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1578. # [14:37] <JosiahOne> Firebot doesn't know how to have fun. Oh well. Back to work I guess.
1579. # [14:37] <firebot> JosiahOne: Sorry, I've no idea what 'doesn't know how to have fun. Oh well. Back to work I guess' might be.
1580. # [14:37] <JosiahOne> . . .
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1584. # [14:38] <Fe2000> josiahOne: let's modify the question: Anyone knows where can i find a developer to modify Thunderbird a little bit?
1585. # [14:39] <gaston> hire a consultant :)
1586. # [14:39] <JosiahOne> Fe2000: Now another question. Is this a bug you want fixed, or a specific issue you need addressed for yourself?
1587. # [14:39] <@bsmedberg> jlebar: how long have you been in Japan?
1588. # [14:39] <AryehGregor> Wait, so is nsIDOMNode.idl still used?
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1591. # [14:40] <JosiahOne> Fe2000: If it's a bug then we definitely will address it. Otherwise you will have some problems finding a spare developer.
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1593. # [14:41] <Ms2ger> AryehGregor, yes
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1596. # [14:41] <Ms2ger> AryehGregor, there's still a couple of nodes left to convert
1597. # [14:41] <AryehGregor> Ms2ger, so what does Node.webidl do?
1598. # [14:41] <AryehGregor> Oh, okay.
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1600. # [14:41] <Ms2ger> https://etherpad.mozilla.org/Paris-nodes
1601. # [14:42] <AryehGregor> Got it.
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1604. # [14:43] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/82bfa9035c6a - Mats Palmgren - Bug 847208 - Make RemoveFloat() check the PushedFloatsList too. r=dbaron
1605. # [14:43] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/4bfe5e636d68 - Mats Palmgren - Bug 850964 - Remove obsolete NS_FRAME_INVALIDATE_ON_MOVE flag. r=roc
1606. # [14:43] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/253df4cdfdb9 - Mats Palmgren - Bug 847208 - Reuse RemoveFloat() in a couple of places that did manual removal of a float child frame. r=dbaron
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1608. # [14:44] <AryehGregor> Does hg.mozilla.org support pushes using HTTPS instead of SSH? I might have to contend with a firewall at some point that only allows HTTP(S) . . .
1609. # [14:45] <Fe2000> JosiahOne i know that i will have some problems… otherwise i would not be here. It's not a bug...
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1611. # [14:45] <AryehGregor> (although I don't know if the push would work even over HTTPS, since it probably uses stuff other than simple GET/POST)
1612. # [14:46] <Ms2ger> I don't think you can push over http/s, no
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1614. # [14:46] <AryehGregor> And autoland-inbound doesn't work yet, I guess?
1615. # [14:46] <jcranmer|away> oh dear, you're planning on removing the nsIDOMNode interface?
1616. # [14:47] <Ms2ger> jcranmer|away, I sure am :)
1617. # [14:47] <JosiahOne> Fe2000: Well if it isn't a bug I am sorry to say that you probably won't be able to convince a developer to write something for you. At least not on IRC. The people who have the experience to write something for you are paid employees of Mozilla and/or very busy volunteers who won't have time. People who have plenty of free time probably won't be able to create an extensions/custom build. Sorry. :)
1618. # [14:47] <Unfocused> you cannot push over https
1619. # [14:47] <jcranmer|away> Ms2ger: that is going to break comm-central something fierce
1620. # [14:48] <Unfocused> (its a mozilla restriction for security reasons, not inherent to hg)
1621. # [14:48] <jcranmer|away> Ms2ger: since we do a lot of C++ access to the DOM
1622. # [14:48] <Ms2ger> jcranmer|away, you think it won't do the same to m-c? :)
1623. # [14:48] * Unfocused sleep
1624. # [14:49] <jcranmer|away> Ms2ger: as long as there is a tolerable way to access the stuff from C++, I suppose it's acceptable
1625. # [14:49] <jcranmer|away> if your answer is "rewrite in JS", I hope you're willing to manually convert 10,000 lines of crufty poorly-tested and poorly-documented code to JS
1626. # [14:49] <@bz> jcranmer|away: removing nsIDOMNode is a ... long-term project
1627. # [14:49] <Ms2ger> jcranmer|away, the APIs to use it from within libxul are much better than the ones you use now
1628. # [14:50] <@bz> jcranmer|away: e.g. needs editor to be fixed first
1629. # [14:50] <@bz> jcranmer|away: but yes, we would need a replacement C++ API first
1630. # [14:50] <Ms2ger> jcranmer|away, outside libxul... We'll see in a few years when we try :)
1631. # [14:50] <jcranmer|away> Ms2ger: which APIs are those?
1632. # [14:50] <Ms2ger> jcranmer|away, nsINode
1633. # [14:50] <Ms2ger> jcranmer|away, and no, doesn't work with external strings atm
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1638. # [14:52] <@bz> <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd">
1639. # [14:52] * @bz wonders whether that puts IE10 in standards mode....
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1643. # [14:53] <annevk> bz: it says CSS1Compat
1644. # [14:53] <NeilAway> firebot: your back is <reply> *You're
1645. # [14:53] <firebot> NeilAway: ok
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1647. # [14:54] <@bz> annevk: yes, but that could be any of like 5 modes
1648. # [14:54] <annevk> bz: is there anything in particular you can test in IE to figure that out?
1649. # [14:54] <Ms2ger> bz, see hsivonen's epic description? :)
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1651. # [14:54] <@bz> annevk: what do their developer tools say?
1652. # [14:54] <@bz> Ms2ger: link?
1653. # [14:54] <Ms2ger> bz, I believe the prose is up to date, but the flow chart isn't
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1655. # [14:54] <Ms2ger> http://hsivonen.iki.fi/doctype/
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1659. # [14:56] <annevk> bz: Live DOM Viewer makes that awkward
1660. # [14:56] <annevk> and data: does not work
1661. # [14:56] <annevk> geez
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1665. # [14:57] <AryehGregor> Okay, so who should I pester to decide whether we want createElement to always return an element in the HTML namespace? https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=799937
1666. # [14:58] <AryehGregor> It's easy to do if we want it, and if we don't want it we should mark the bug WONTFIX and petition for a spec change.
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1668. # [14:58] <annevk> bz: it claims standards for http://dump.testsuite.org/html/xhtml-doctype.html
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1670. # [14:59] <@bz> annevk: thanks!
1671. # [14:59] <AryehGregor> bz said "sicking/smaug", but they seem to disagree. :(
1672. # [14:59] <@bz> mmm
1673. # [14:59] <@bz> Whom did they point you to?
1674. # [14:59] <@bz> The other option is peterv
1675. # [15:00] <@bz> but I guess the real problem is no one wants to make the call. :(
1676. # [15:00] <edmorley> jimm: yt?
1677. # [15:00] <peterv> ...
1678. # [15:00] <jimm> edmorley: yep
1679. # [15:00] <Ms2ger> bz, if so, do I get to make the call? ;)
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1682. # [15:01] <edmorley> jimm: hi :-) It seems that win8 has just been switched on for m-c; are you tracking these intermittents already? https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?jobname=winnt%206.2&onlyunstarred=1
1683. # [15:01] <jimm> oh sweet :)
1684. # [15:01] * AryehGregor is in favor of changing the spec, since browsers more or less agree on it and it makes no difference to anything anyway
1685. # [15:01] <jimm> let me get the bug
1686. # [15:02] <jimm> edmorley: bug 847447
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1688. # [15:02] <AryehGregor> Also, annevk said he's willing to accept a spec change if everyone speaks up in favor of it.
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1693. # [15:03] <jimm> edmorley: I will be landing a patch for all the svg problems on inbound in a bit
1694. # [15:03] <edmorley> jimm: great, thank you :-)
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1696. # [15:03] <annevk> AryehGregor: bz: I sort of think we should make a coherent story for the multiple Document / createElement thing and address them together
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1698. # [15:04] <annevk> AryehGregor: bz: I also think that the main problem here is the compat story and willingness of other browsers to converge on whatever is decided upon, not so much what we do...
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1700. # [15:05] <@bz> And getting any of the other folks to commit to anything is impossible. :(
1701. # [15:05] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/4acd42c81df7 - Adrian Tamas - Bug 822259 - Robocop: Add test for Find in Page feature. r=jmaher
1702. # [15:06] <annevk> Yes. Though others is mostly WebKit as we know from experience Microsoft will follow along in due course...
1703. # [15:07] <AryehGregor> annevk, for createElement, the three major engines all almost agree anyway.
1704. # [15:08] <AryehGregor> So it's much easier to just spec what we do.
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1707. # [15:08] <AryehGregor> (There's one weird case I found where IE disagrees with the proposed behavior, which is probably a bug, and one case where WebKit disagrees)
1708. # [15:09] <AryehGregor> (Gecko's behavior is exactly the proposed behavior AFAICT)
1709. # [15:09] <AryehGregor> Also, really, really, why did my build time double in the last several months? That's really annoying.
1710. # [15:09] <annevk> But IE10 does implement the DOM as specced?
1711. # [15:09] <AryehGregor> Did everyone else's build time double, or just me?
1712. # [15:09] <AryehGregor> annevk, it implements createElement almost exactly according to the proposed spec change, AFAICT.
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1715. # [15:10] <annevk> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=19431#c6 suggests only IE9 does that
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1717. # [15:10] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/071f20163360 - Jim Mathies - Bug 848936 - Annotate various SVG reftest failures on Win8. r=roc
1718. # [15:10] * khuey|away is now known as khuey
1719. # [15:11] <AryehGregor> annevk, hmm, that seems to not match what I write in comment 12.
1720. # [15:11] <AryehGregor> Dunno why.
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1722. # [15:11] <annevk> AryehGregor: Also, image/svg+xml is not tested
1723. # [15:11] <annevk> AryehGregor: I suspect that might default to SVG in some engines
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1725. # [15:12] <AryehGregor> This is far too trivial an issue to spend this much time arguing over.
1726. # [15:12] <annevk> AryehGregor: However, again, all this relates to whether or not we merge all Document objects or keep pretending different MIME types are actually different (while we think they should not be)
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1732. # [15:15] <annevk> If createElement and Document objects were not so central to pretty much every script I'd agree
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1735. # [15:16] <AryehGregor> The discussion is only relevant to documents served with an XML MIME type.
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1739. # [15:17] <annevk> Also document.createDocument() documents as they have that
1740. # [15:17] <annevk> or new Document() documents
1741. # [15:17] <AryehGregor> Sure.
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1745. # [15:20] <Ms2ger> AryehGregor, and yeah, we've been writing quite a bit of code lately
1746. # [15:21] <AryehGregor> :(
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1750. # [15:22] <AryehGregor> Ugh, who wrote all these stupid Range tests that take forever to run when I want to check for regressions in entirely unrelated DOM functionality? >:(
1751. # [15:22] <till> nice: http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/03/google-evicts-ad-blocking-software-from-google-play-store/
1752. # [15:23] * till hopes that'll lead to more people using FF on Android
1753. # [15:23] <Ms2ger> AryehGregor, we've all been complaining about them :)
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1766. # [15:33] <@bz> You can.
1767. # [15:33] <@bz> Will it be actionable?
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1769. # [15:33] <nigelb> Who will it be assigned to?
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1772. # [15:34] <froydnj> is khuey paying for caltrain tickets to reproduce?
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1778. # [15:35] <Ms2ger> We don't do that here
1779. # [15:35] <@khuey> froydnj: we have unlimited passes, no need to pay
1780. # [15:36] <@khuey> nigelb: an intern?
1781. # [15:36] <nigelb> khuey: Hah.
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1783. # [15:36] <nigelb> khuey: But do they ever leave the office?
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1786. # [15:37] <@bz> Anyone here have IE10?
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1788. # [15:37] <@khuey> once they fix their bugs they can leave
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1792. # [15:37] <AryehGregor> bz, I have some IE10 version in a Windows 8 Developer Preview VM that seems not to have expired yet for some reason.
1793. # [15:37] <@khuey> nope I haven't gotten it yet
1794. # [15:37] <Ms2ger> Mmm
1795. # [15:37] <Ms2ger> jimm?
1796. # [15:38] <@bz> ok
1797. # [15:38] * @bz tries other means
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1799. # [15:38] <@bz> AryehGregor: more interested in final release. ;)
1800. # [15:38] <AryehGregor> Reasonable. :)
1801. # [15:38] <jimm> bz: I have it here
1802. # [15:38] <ted> khuey: haha, what bug did you reproduce under those conditions?
1803. # [15:38] <ted> i assume it's more like "intermittent network connection"?
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1808. # [15:40] <@bz> jimm: what does http://web.mit.edu/bzbarsky/www/test.html look like for you?
1809. # [15:40] <jimm> looking
1810. # [15:40] <jimm> very very blue
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1812. # [15:41] <jimm> like as in an all blue page. nothing else.
1813. # [15:41] <Ms2ger> I'm blue, da ba dee, da ba die?
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1816. # [15:42] <@bz> jimm: ok
1817. # [15:42] <@bz> jimm: no, just trying to remote-debug something
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1820. # [15:43] <@khuey> Ms2ger++
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1828. # [15:49] <glandium> paul: is there a webdev tool to display POST data?
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1830. # [15:50] <glandium> paul: forget it, found it
1831. # [15:50] <till> glandium: if you don't need it within Firefox, Charles is nice
1832. # [15:50] <edmorley> glandium: web console -> black dot dropdown
1833. # [15:50] <edmorley> too late :-)
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1835. # [15:52] <glandium> glob: i have a serious problem with bugzilla. it's eating the beginning of an attachment
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1837. # [15:52] <glob> glandium, oh, that's interesting
1838. # [15:52] <glandium> exactly 32 bytes, even
1839. # [15:52] <glob> glandium, that's been reported by exactly one other person
1840. # [15:53] <glob> glandium, but it has us stumped
1841. # [15:53] <glandium> glob: and it does it reliably ; according to webtools, the POST data is correct
1842. # [15:53] <glandium> glob: is there an open bug?
1843. # [15:53] <glob> glandium, i'm in a meeting, can i ping you to figure some stuff out in about 10 or 15 mins?
1844. # [15:53] <@bz> So I tried RSS in Tbird
1845. # [15:53] <glandium> glob: sure
1846. # [15:53] <@bz> but it shows all the feeds all the time
1847. # [15:53] <@bz> Is there a way to hide the ones with no new stuff?
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1849. # [15:55] <Ms2ger> I liked Opera for feeds
1850. # [15:55] <jimm> edmorley: win8 m2 failures are being discussed in bug 850472
1851. # [15:55] <jimm> not sure what to do there
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1861. # [15:59] * @bz begins the Great Feed Reader Search
1862. # [16:00] <JosiahOne> bz: Feedly works well. It will migrate to it's own service when Google Reader expires. And you will still be able to log in with your Google Account.
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1867. # [16:01] <@bz> JosiahOne: hmmm.... should try
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1870. # [16:02] <JosiahOne> bz: Plus it has a nice ui. No desktop app, but they have a Firefox Extension.
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1875. # [16:04] <till> bz: I'll try NewsBlur, I think. Looks fugly but otherwise fairly usable
1876. # [16:04] <gaston> and you get fucked the next time the provider decides to discontinue the service :)
1877. # [16:04] <@bz> JosiahOne: I'd rather have the feed reader be in the browser
1878. # [16:05] <gaston> people never learn....
1879. # [16:05] <JosiahOne> gaston: Yeah, yeah. We know. :)
1880. # [16:06] <froydnj> taras: channeling my glandium: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/toolkit/components/telemetry/histogram_tools.py#213
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1884. # [16:07] <@smaug> whaat, how did that cause crashes
1885. # [16:07] <till> gaston: NewsBlur is open source, so I can install it wherever I want
1886. # [16:07] <gaston> as i do with tt-rss :)
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1888. # [16:08] <@smaug> I did push earlier versions of those patches to try
1889. # [16:08] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/051405e33fc4 - Oleg Romashin - Bug 848611 - MathAlgorithms.h:116: error: 'fabsl' was not declared in this scope. r=Waldo
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1896. # [16:10] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/a9984c7bfb50 - Jim Mathies - Bug 850454 - clipping-5-refi and scroll-1 reftests need to be fuzzy on Win8. r=joe
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1899. # [16:11] <{V}> bug 845840
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1910. # [16:17] <{V}> firebot, bug 845840
1911. # [16:17] <firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=845840 nor, --, ---, vladimir, NEW, File a support request with ms on our pgo problems
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1921. # [16:22] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/59611a3afcb3 - Ed Morley - Backed out changeset 4bfe5e636d68 (bug 850964) for assertions on a CLOSED TREE
1922. # [16:22] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/b7db07693ac5 - Ed Morley - Backed out changeset 82bfa9035c6a (bug 847208)
1923. # [16:22] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/b9bbc1547d32 - Ed Morley - Backed out changeset 253df4cdfdb9 (bug 847208)
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1994. # [16:37] <@bz> hmm
1995. # [16:37] <@bz> did bugzilla and mxr just die?
1996. # [16:37] <glob> bz, are you on mpt-vpn?
1997. # [16:37] <@bz> nope
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1999. # [16:37] <@bz> http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/bugzilla.mozilla.org says it's down for them too, fwiw
2000. # [16:37] <Standard8> mxr is dead here
2001. # [16:38] <glob> bmo's fine for me
2002. # [16:38] <@bz> iiinteresting
2003. # [16:38] <Standard8> bugzilla is ok
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2005. # [16:38] <glob> however my mpt-vpn session died
2006. # [16:38] <Standard8> mxr is service unavailable
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2009. # [16:38] <@bz> So my traceroute gets to v-501.core1.scl3.mozilla.net
2010. # [16:38] <@bz> And then dies
2011. # [16:38] * glob places money on the scl3 power outage
2012. # [16:39] * @bz too
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2089. # [16:43] <imelven> estimated end time : 2100 pdt
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2098. # [16:44] <philor> yeah, but that's the things-go-right estimate
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2110. # [16:45] <philor> RyanVM / edmorley: how do you feel about an inbound closure until it picks up a Mac build?
2111. # [16:45] <RyanVM> all for it
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2113. # [16:45] <edmorley> wfm
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2120. # [16:46] <philor> done
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2124. # [16:46] <edmorley> philor: do you happen to know of an open bug for the "text files all over the desktops of os x test machines affecting perf" issue? (https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=843545#c30) if not, I'll file
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2135. # [16:47] <philor> edmorley: nope, pretty sure both the cleanup of that and the way that someone's now timing out and leaving .part files are both unfiled
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2140. # [16:48] <philor> I never look at .part files, do they have content so it would be possible to tell who's leaving them?
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2144. # [16:48] <ted> they should contain the contents of the file being downloaded
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2146. # [16:49] <edmorley> philor: I'm not sure, I don't have access to the machines
2147. # [16:49] <ted> we download to .part, then when the download finishes we mv that to the original filename
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2154. # [16:50] <RyanVM> too bad we can't add a cleanup step to the slave reboot process
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2161. # [16:51] <edmorley> can someone ban AutomatedTester please
2162. # [16:51] <Ms2ger> dumitru?
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2167. # [16:51] <dumitru> Ms2ger: ?
2168. # [16:51] <dumitru> errrm
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2179. # [16:53] <edmorley> dumitru: we've used: +b AutomatedTester|AFK!*@* on the other channels
2180. # [16:53] <dumitru> I will kill his znc session
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2183. # [16:53] <edmorley> ah even better :-)
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2188. # [16:55] <We11ington> Does anyone know where Gecko touch events are spawned in Windows? In Mac, it's in nsChildView.mm (I'd give a link but MXR seems to be not working…)
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2190. # [16:56] <We11ington> mbrubeck: ^
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2203. # [17:01] <jimm> We11ington: yes
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2208. # [17:01] <jimm> both on desktop and in metro
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2210. # [17:01] <jimm> unfortunately I can't get to mxr otherwise I'd point you to the code.
2211. # [17:01] <bent> ted, ping
2212. # [17:01] <jimm> :/
2213. # [17:02] <We11ington> I think I found it, nsWinGesture.cpp
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2215. # [17:02] <We11ington> dxr is still working
2216. # [17:02] <We11ington> jimm: ^
2217. # [17:02] <ted> bent: pong
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2220. # [17:02] <bent> ted, hey, any suggestions on who i should look for for those nspr annotations?
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2222. # [17:03] <jimm> We11ington: there's also some code in nsWindow.cpp. Note we only generate those events on devices that have a touch input digitizer.
2223. # [17:03] <ted> i...don't know
2224. # [17:03] <jimm> like a touch screen.
2225. # [17:03] <ted> we could see if wtc is ok with doing that review
2226. # [17:03] <bent> yeah...
2227. # [17:03] <ted> otherwise maybe cjones if he hasn't run away yet
2228. # [17:03] <We11ington> jimm: Or a track pad?
2229. # [17:03] <bent> sewardj has been offline a little recently (or our timing has been off)
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2231. # [17:03] <ted> or glandium
2232. # [17:03] <We11ington> (multi-touch)
2233. # [17:03] <jimm> We11ington: nope
2234. # [17:04] <bent> hm
2235. # [17:04] <ted> bent: yeah, he said he wasn't going to be around till tomorrow
2236. # [17:04] <bent> derf maybe
2237. # [17:04] <We11ington> jimm: Hm. Then maybe we'll stick to just Mac for this. We're doing Mac's "smart zoom" (two fingers, two taps each--four touches total), which isn't recognized in Mac and appears to also not be in Windows
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2239. # [17:04] <jimm> We11ington: has to be something Windows recognizes.
2240. # [17:04] <ted> like i said, the build bits etc seem fine, it's just the placement of the annotations i don't know how to review
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2242. # [17:04] <We11ington> But it's not a gesture that Windows uses, so it'd be sorta weird to do it.
2243. # [17:04] <bent> ted, yeah, thanks for looking
2244. # [17:04] <ted> np
2245. # [17:05] <bent> i'll see what i can figure out
2246. # [17:05] <ted> sorry for review lag, my queue gets swamped and i get review anxiety
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2248. # [17:05] <jimm> We11ington: sounds like a mac only feature to me.
2249. # [17:05] <bent> ted, i'm right there with you
2250. # [17:05] <ted> i think i need therapy for that
2251. # [17:05] <bent> ted, oh, helgrind.h includes valgrind.h
2252. # [17:06] <jimm> We11ington: it would be nice to get touch events working on mac. afaik they don't.
2253. # [17:06] <bent> ted, so should that just not show up in configure tests?
2254. # [17:06] <ted> seems reasonable
2255. # [17:06] <We11ington> jimm: That's what we're doing. Student project.
2256. # [17:06] <jimm> cool!
2257. # [17:06] <Optimizer> edmorley: if I submit a patch, is it okay if you directly push to m-i this time ?
2258. # [17:06] <bent> ted, which, keeping it or leaving it out of the test?
2259. # [17:06] <Optimizer> (toolbox_window_shortcut intermittent on mac osx 10.8)
2260. # [17:07] <We11ington> We're doing rotate on IMageDocuments (which is already in Moz Central), and then doing double-tap-zoom and pinch-zoom as an add-on (since OMTC/APZC is gonna be happening later but is way too much for our very-short one-semester timeline)
2261. # [17:07] <We11ington> jimm: ^
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2263. # [17:07] <ted> bent: leaving it out
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2265. # [17:07] <bent> ok
2266. # [17:07] <edmorley> Optimizer: if you mark it checkin-needed, it will get landed sometime soon (trees will be closed for a bit due to the lack of Mac minis due to the SCL3 power maintenance)
2267. # [17:07] <ted> it's not a big deal either way, but one less test
2268. # [17:07] <Optimizer> edmorley: I know it will eventually, but in a bit of a hurry
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2270. # [17:08] <bent> ted, those tests check that the header can actually be included and compiled, right? not just that the header exists
2271. # [17:08] <We11ington> jimm: To do double-tap even in an add-on we have to actually have it recognized--which nsChildView doesn't. So, we'll write it ourselves (already have a prototype working). Since it's not a gesture that exists on Windows, it doesn't make too much sense to make it for Windows...
2272. # [17:08] <Optimizer> its almost a perma orange on mac os x 10.8
2273. # [17:08] <ted> bent: AIUI, yes
2274. # [17:08] <bent> k
2275. # [17:08] <ted> so having extraneous checks means a slower configure
2276. # [17:08] <bent> thanks
2277. # [17:08] <We11ington> So for now I think we'll do it Mac-only
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2279. # [17:08] <jimm> We11ington: note we have some simple gestures already hooked up to stuff like that that get fired by the track pad on mac.
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2281. # [17:08] <edmorley> Optimizer: remind me of the bug #?
2282. # [17:08] <jimm> We11ington: make sure you're not reinventing the wheel I guess.
2283. # [17:09] <Optimizer> edmorley: 838069
2284. # [17:09] <Optimizer> just uploading the patch
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2290. # [17:10] <We11ington> jimm: Yeah, rotate was all-new. The old way was to just scroll through full zoom, which looks decidedly un-pretty, especially compared to Safari
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2292. # [17:10] <We11ington> Basically the equivalent of pushing Cmd + or Cmd - many times
2293. # [17:10] <jimm> We11ington: take a look at http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/dom/interfaces/events/nsIDOMSimpleGestureEvent.idl
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2295. # [17:11] <jimm> we might want to get away from those and use w3c touch events instead.
2296. # [17:11] <We11ington> jimm: We actually have to extend that to make a new one
2297. # [17:11] <We11ington> W3C specified touch events?
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2300. # [17:11] <jimm> We11ington: ah, so you are planning on using nsIDOMSimpleGestureEvent?
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2302. # [17:12] <We11ington> Yup
2303. # [17:12] <We11ington> We have been so far
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2306. # [17:12] <jimm> ok, I was thinking you were trying to work with - http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/dom/interfaces/events/nsIDOMTouchEvent.idl
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2311. # [17:13] <padenot> edmorley: if I change the CLOBBER file, will a clobber happen automagically on the builders?
2312. # [17:14] <Ms2ger> padenot, no
2313. # [17:14] <padenot> ha
2314. # [17:14] <Ms2ger> Unless you fix that bug
2315. # [17:14] <We11ington> jimm: Ah, yeah. We're doing SimpleGestureEvent
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2317. # [17:14] <edmorley> padenot: no (bug filed for doing that), but at least means people pulling those changes into their own project tree know they have to clobber
2318. # [17:14] <Ms2ger> And that all developers will curse your soul
2319. # [17:15] <jimm> We11ington: sounds like you are on the right path. I'd suggest you cc smaug into your bug. he might have feedback on your implementation.
2320. # [17:15] <padenot> Ms2ger: I explicitly stated in the message that it's android only :-)
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2322. # [17:15] <We11ington> jimm: Will do, thanks!
2323. # [17:15] <jimm> np
2324. # [17:15] <edmorley> Ms2ger: or at least the ones that choose not to read the workaround printed as part of the warning
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2327. # [17:15] <gaston> the rate of CLOBBER touches is too damn high!
2328. # [17:16] <gaston> :)
2329. # [17:16] <edmorley> :-)
2330. # [17:16] <Optimizer> edmorley: just uploaded, the fix is as per what other tests do
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2332. # [17:16] <padenot> edmorley: would you mind to remind the correct procedure to get a clobber on inbound for my push, then?
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2334. # [17:16] <Ms2ger> edmorley, I always use the workaround, but I'll still curse his soul
2335. # [17:16] <Ms2ger> firebot, clobberer
2336. # [17:16] <edmorley> padenot: https://secure.pub.build.mozilla.org/clobberer/
2337. # [17:16] <firebot> Ms2ger: Sorry, I've no idea what 'clobberer' might be.
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2339. # [17:16] <Ms2ger> firebot, clobberer is https://secure.pub.build.mozilla.org/clobberer/
2340. # [17:16] <firebot> Ms2ger: ok
2341. # [17:16] <padenot> for one second, I though edmorley was firebot
2342. # [17:16] <edmorley> firebot: clobberer is https://secure.pub.build.mozilla.org/clobberer/
2343. # [17:16] <firebot> edmorley: Yep, that's what I thought. Thanks for confirming it.
2344. # [17:17] <edmorley> firebot: clobberer
2345. # [17:17] <firebot> edmorley: um... clobberer is https://secure.pub.build.mozilla.org/clobberer/
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2347. # [17:17] <edmorley> Ms2ger: bah I can't read scrollback
2348. # [17:17] <Ms2ger> edmorley, :)
2349. # [17:18] <jimm> wow, when did we get this new perf-o-matic dashboard. it's pretty slick.
2350. # [17:18] <padenot> ha, I can even clobber only the android builders
2351. # [17:18] <padenot> brilliant
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2355. # [17:19] <edmorley> padenot: if the CLOBBER file was touched, all platforms will need clobbering (we don't have platform specific clobber files); if you haven't modified it, then carry on as is :-)
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2358. # [17:20] <bent> snorp, ping
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2362. # [17:21] <snorp> bent: pong
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2367. # [17:21] <padenot> ha, tree closed :-(
2368. # [17:21] <padenot> and I triggered a clobber
2369. # [17:21] <padenot> meh
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2374. # [17:21] <bent> snorp, hey, you don't by any chance have an updated patch for bug 734691 now that bug 779291 landed, do you?
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2378. # [17:22] <Yoric> ttaubert: ping
2379. # [17:22] <snorp> bent: I fixed some conflicts earlier but I have no idea if it builds
2380. # [17:22] <ttaubert> Yoric: sup?
2381. # [17:22] <Yoric> hi
2382. # [17:22] <snorp> bent: on paternity leave this week so haven't really worked on it
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2384. # [17:22] <bent> snorp, ah, ok. congrats!
2385. # [17:22] <Yoric> ttaubert: While waiting for your feedback on bug 838577 (hint, hint), I have switched back to thumbnails.
2386. # [17:23] <snorp> bent: thanks
2387. # [17:23] * snorp builds patch
2388. # [17:23] <Yoric> Your test browser_thumbnails_storage_migrate3.js annoys me.
2389. # [17:23] <bent> snorp, one other question, is there a bug for windows thread registration?
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2391. # [17:23] <bent> i see it isn't implemented yet
2392. # [17:23] <Yoric> It explicitly depends on the ability to change ProfLD.
2393. # [17:23] <snorp> bent: not yet, we'll need one for that and mac
2394. # [17:23] <bent> at least in the most recent patch
2395. # [17:23] <ttaubert> Yoric: it's on my list, trying to catch up with my reviews
2396. # [17:23] <bent> ok
2397. # [17:23] <ttaubert> Yoric: can you rewrite it?
2398. # [17:23] <snorp> bent: patch is deeply flawed, though :(
2399. # [17:24] <bent> oh?
2400. # [17:24] <snorp> bent: I'm back to work monday so hope to have it fixed up soon
2401. # [17:24] <Yoric> ttaubert: I have migrated the feature to OS.File, and OS.File does not offer the ability to change ProfLD.
2402. # [17:24] <snorp> bent: yeah, see BenWa's r-
2403. # [17:24] <bent> snorp, that deadlock thing?
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2405. # [17:24] <Yoric> (well, OS.Constants.Path.localProfileDir)
2406. # [17:24] <ttaubert> Yoric: hm.
2407. # [17:24] <snorp> bent: mostly that, yeah, but other stuff too
2408. # [17:24] <bent> pshaw, who's afraid of a little deadlock
2409. # [17:24] <snorp> not me that's for sure
2410. # [17:24] <bent> but understood
2411. # [17:24] <ttaubert> Yoric: I liked having a test for the migration code though it's not super important
2412. # [17:24] <Yoric> ttaubert: Any suggestion?
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2415. # [17:25] <bent> snorp, the reason i'm curious is that i have a patch to add some dynamic markers to indexeddb events
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2418. # [17:25] <snorp> bent: nice
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2420. # [17:25] <bent> snorp, but they're not really helpful until we can get the annotations from the database threads
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2422. # [17:25] <snorp> bent: indeed :/
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2425. # [17:26] <bent> snorp, and we have a bunch of b2g app developers that are confusing bogged-down main threads with slow database accesses
2426. # [17:26] <bent> snorp, and i'd like to prove them wrong
2427. # [17:26] <bent> :)
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2429. # [17:26] <snorp> bent: fair enough
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2431. # [17:26] <bent> but hey, kids come first
2432. # [17:26] <ttaubert> Yoric: either there is a way to change to ProfLD directory or there isn't and we can't test it. up to you :) is it that hard to do or is it unnecessary clutter you want to avoid?
2433. # [17:26] <snorp> bent: I can send you my patch
2434. # [17:26] <bent> it's not urgent
2435. # [17:27] <BenWa> snorp: bent: Snorp's patch isn't landable but the risk of deadlock is low
2436. # [17:27] <BenWa> If you're looking to profile stuff locally it should be fine to apply locally
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2438. # [17:27] <snorp> bent: http://people.mozilla.org/~jwillcox/multithread-profiler.diff
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2440. # [17:27] <snorp> bent: could be a little hosed from the new stuff landing but shoudln't be hard to fix
2441. # [17:27] <BenWa> snorp: I'm hoping to work with julian during the snappy work week and get your MT patch to work with breakpad
2442. # [17:27] <bent> BenWa, well, two things... 1, the patch rotted quite a bit by recent breakpad thing, and 2, my primary dev env is windows
2443. # [17:27] <snorp> I need to run
2444. # [17:28] <bent> snorp, thanks
2445. # [17:28] <snorp> BenWa: nice
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2447. # [17:28] <BenWa> ahh ok, yes windows support is further out
2448. # [17:28] <snorp> yeah ugh windows
2449. # [17:28] <bent> do we have etas on any of that?
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2451. # [17:28] <bent> loose of course
2452. # [17:28] <snorp> bent: wait I thought you wanted to look at b2g stuff
2453. # [17:28] <Yoric> ttaubert: Well, I could add a feature to PageThumbs to use a directory other than localProfileDir.
2454. # [17:29] <BenWa> I'm hoping this stuff will be wrapped up within a month.
2455. # [17:29] <bent> snorp, yes... that's complicated too
2456. # [17:29] <BenWa> Likely earlier
2457. # [17:29] <bent> snorp, because we're on 18 branch
2458. # [17:29] <snorp> bent: ah right, ugh
2459. # [17:29] <snorp> bent: and building against current m-c is busted or something
2460. # [17:29] <bent> snorp, just trying to figure out what my smart move is here
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2462. # [17:29] <ttaubert> Yoric: that's another way to do it, yeah
2463. # [17:29] <Yoric> ttaubert: That looks a little complex, though.
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2465. # [17:29] <snorp> well mac will be working before windows
2466. # [17:29] <snorp> maybe find a mac like a civilized person :)
2467. # [17:29] <bent> maybe focusing on getting perf working on b2g is faster
2468. # [17:29] <BenWa> bent: What are you trying to profile. Perhaps you want to use VTune
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2470. # [17:30] <Yoric> Giving the ability to change directories from OS.Constants.Path is more complex.
2471. # [17:30] <bent> BenWa, the windows thing is not really related to my needs on b2g, it's just making it hard to develop an annotations patch locally
2472. # [17:30] <Yoric> Plus it doesn't match the |Constants| bit :)
2473. # [17:30] <BenWa> Ahh ok
2474. # [17:30] <bent> developing on the phone is not fun
2475. # [17:30] <ttaubert> Yoric: heh, indeed
2476. # [17:30] <bent> but nevertheless doable
2477. # [17:30] <BenWa> agreed
2478. # [17:31] <bent> so i thought it would be faster to do it on windows
2479. # [17:31] <bent> but that support isn't there
2480. # [17:31] <bent> so
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2482. # [17:31] <bent> back to developing on the phone i think
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2486. # [17:34] <Optimizer> edmorley: any chances of getting it pushed on m-i, or should I follow the plain old r? -> r+ -> land-in-fx-team approach ?
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2493. # [17:35] <Optimizer> I am okay with both :)
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2498. # [17:37] <edmorley> Optimizer: I'll push to inbound, but the trees are closed at the moment
2499. # [17:37] <edmorley> (see tbpl)
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2501. # [17:38] <Optimizer> I see
2502. # [17:38] <Optimizer> ok, mac is the one I am interested in so no use of pushing now
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2520. # [17:47] <RyanVM> http://isitmfbt.com/
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2543. # [17:55] <dougt> RyanVM: where do tracking b2g18 things land?
2544. # [17:56] <RyanVM> b2g18
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2546. # [17:56] <dougt> just there?
2547. # [17:56] <dougt> don't have to do anything landing on m-a or mb?
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2552. # [17:57] <bnicholson> philor|away: what looks busted?
2553. # [17:57] <RyanVM> dougt: correct
2554. # [17:58] <dougt> so awesome!
2555. # [17:58] <RyanVM> dougt: you can also do nothing and let it get picked up as part of the regular uplifts we're already doing
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2557. # [17:59] <dougt> RyanVM: i am lazy
2558. # [17:59] <dougt> i am clearly going to let you do the work.
2559. # [17:59] <RyanVM> hah
2560. # [17:59] <dougt> :)
2561. # [17:59] <RyanVM> bug #?
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2563. # [18:00] <dougt> 839757
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2565. # [18:00] <dougt> if it conflicts, i can get alberto to fix it… or I can.
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2567. # [18:00] <fabrice> dougt: there's no uplift to do here...
2568. # [18:00] <dougt> how so?
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2570. # [18:01] <dougt> isn't that what the tracking flag does?
2571. # [18:01] <fabrice> dougt: it's no leo+, only tracking-b2g18
2572. # [18:01] <RyanVM> fabrice: tracking+ has ulpift approvla through tomorrow
2573. # [18:01] <dougt> so, i have been out of triage for like 3 weeks.
2574. # [18:01] <RyanVM> wow, typing fail
2575. # [18:01] <fabrice> RyanVM: really?
2576. # [18:01] <dougt> i don't really know what is what.
2577. # [18:01] <RyanVM> dougt: it shows up on the tracking+ query, so you're good
2578. # [18:01] <dougt> RyanVM: cool
2579. # [18:01] <RyanVM> fabrice: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Release_Management/B2G_Landing#Automatic_Uplifts
2580. # [18:02] <dougt> so, after tomorrow, what will i need to land on b2g18?
2581. # [18:02] <RyanVM> fabrice: and https://wiki.mozilla.org/Release_Management/B2G_Landing#Landing_tracking-b2g18.2B_bugs_for_v1.x_before_Feature_Complete_.28Updated_3.2F1.29
2582. # [18:02] <dougt> leo+?
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2584. # [18:02] <RyanVM> or approval-b2g18+
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2605. # [18:08] <dougt> RyanVM|lunch: thanks a bunch
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2609. # [18:10] <RyanVM|lunch> dougt: np, i'll see how those apply when I'm done with lunch and ping you if there's any problems
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2621. # [18:16] <@smaug> oh, https://people.mozilla.com/~catlee/highscores/highscores.html I didn't think I've pushed that many patches to try. Though, I guess that counts last weekend
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2625. # [18:17] * Ms2ger should be able to overtake joe
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2637. # [18:20] <@bz> What's with the weird "winners don't use drugs" thing on that page?
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2641. # [18:20] <RyanVM|lunch> bz: didn't play many video games as a kid, eh? :)
2642. # [18:20] <Ms2ger> And the FBI(?) seal?
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2644. # [18:21] <@bz> RyanVM|lunch: I did, actually.
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2646. # [18:21] <RyanVM|lunch> trying to remember which game that was
2647. # [18:21] <RyanVM|lunch> double dragon?
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2649. # [18:21] <RyanVM|lunch> smaug: congrats on overtaking the b2g crowd, that's quite the accomplishment
2650. # [18:21] <jhammel> RyanVM|lunch: several of them
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2652. # [18:22] <Ms2ger> RyanVM, the b2g crowd uses try?
2653. # [18:22] <@bz> Ms2ger:yes, indeed
2654. # [18:22] <jhammel> Ms2ger: yeah, but they call it beta ;)
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2660. # [18:24] <Ms2ger> Ah, here: https://people.mozilla.com/~catlee/highscores/Winners_Dont_Use_Drugs.png
2661. # [18:24] <evilpie> bz: boy <a download> is seriously annoying me
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2663. # [18:24] <dougt> Ms2ger: http://www.soveriegn.freeservers.com/drugs.htm
2664. # [18:25] <jhammel> well, if Tim Allen does drugs that scares me straight
2665. # [18:25] <dougt> didn't he go to prison for like 20 years or something.
2666. # [18:25] <jhammel> and who the hell is William Clinton?
2667. # [18:26] <dougt> (only 2)
2668. # [18:26] <dougt> you might know him by his common name "Slick Willy"
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2670. # [18:26] <JonathanS> Ex-President Bill Clinton
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2672. # [18:27] <jhammel> jorendorff: ;)
2673. # [18:27] <jhammel> er, JonathanS
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2675. # [18:28] <jhammel> interesting they didn't put Dubya on there
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2690. # [18:34] <gaston> jaws: what's the deal with in-content prefs by default ?
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2697. # [18:38] <Ms2ger> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/page.cgi?id=mydashboard.html is quite neat
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2699. # [18:39] <@dolske> gaston: what about them?
2700. # [18:39] <ted> Ms2ger: heh :)
2701. # [18:39] <ted> bz: you found my easter egg :)
2702. # [18:40] <Ms2ger> ted, I don't want to know what yours looks like
2703. # [18:40] <ted> bz: the high score list just reminded me of arcade games
2704. # [18:40] <@bz> Ms2ger: oh, that's nice.
2705. # [18:40] * @bz bookmarks
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2714. # [18:42] <reuben> http://harthur.github.com/bugzilla-todos/ is also quite nice
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2717. # [18:43] <gaston> dolske: there was lots of progress a year ago when the project was done with the students.. and now it just looks stalled
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2723. # [18:45] <reuben> cers: ^
2724. # [18:45] <@dolske> gaston: yes, it's low priority.
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2726. # [18:45] <lizzard> reuben: I like that!
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2729. # [18:46] <cers> gaston, dolske: I'm working on them now though - guess I ought to take the bug
2730. # [18:46] <lizzard> reuben: it shoudl be possible to add that view into the user dashboard in the upgraded bugzilla.mozilla.org
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2734. # [18:47] <gaston> cers: cool, good to know !
2735. # [18:47] <cers> ah wait, I already took it :-)
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2737. # [18:47] <cers> bug 754344
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2741. # [18:49] <@ted> bz: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winners_Don%27t_Use_Drugs if you didn't bother looking it up
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2745. # [18:50] <gabor> Enn: Hey there! smaug told me you know a lot about nsXULCommandDispatcher...
2746. # [18:50] <Enn> ok
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2748. # [18:51] <@smaug> sorry Enn :)
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2750. # [18:51] <gabor> Enn: so I'm trying to understand something weird about it, it looks like it's UpdateCommand with a 'focus' event fires in some weird cases
2751. # [18:51] <gabor> Enn: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=20626531&tree=Try&full=1#error1
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2753. # [18:52] <gabor> for example in this stack it looks like an HTMLImageElement gets the focus as far as I can tell, but I dont see any images in that test...
2754. # [18:53] <gabor> Enn: could you explain me in a nuttshell how does this thing work?
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2757. # [18:54] <jaws> gaston: i think cers is working on it now
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2759. # [18:55] <Enn> gabor: no, something with an image might be being done, but I don't think it necessarily is the case that it is focused
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2762. # [18:56] <Enn> gabor: the log suggests that a page is being loaded and UpdateCommand is being called to updated its state because the new page was focused
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2764. # [18:57] <gabor> Enn: yeah, so what I'm particularily interested in, can this thing sometime interact with things that should be already dead? what I experience is that it interacts with nodes, from documents, where the window of the document is not alive any more
2765. # [18:57] <Enn> gabor: note that UpdateCommands calls things on the top-level chrome window not on the page, so the image is likely somewhere in the chrome
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2769. # [19:01] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/6de22de62acc - Brian Nicholson - Bug 835022 - Switch to correct tab when a tab is closed. r=mfinkle, a=lsblakk
2770. # [19:01] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/784c1f1815a9 - Sriram Ramasubramanian - Bug 849495 - LWTheme bitmap should be at least as wide as the device width. r=mfinkle, a=lsblakk
2771. # [19:01] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/f44933ff448f - Lucas Rocha - Bug 818079 - Don't allow entering awesomescreen while animating. r=mfinkle, a=lsblakk
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2780. # [19:08] <JonathanS> http://cpprocks.com/c11-compiler-support-shootout-visual-studio-gcc-clang-intel/ found new list.
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2786. # [19:13] <Ms2ger> timeless still has 1% of Core bugs assigned to him
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2789. # [19:13] <Ms2ger> Only smontagu has more
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2810. # [19:21] <mounir> edmorley: ping
2811. # [19:21] <edmorley> mounir: hi :-)
2812. # [19:21] <mounir> edmorley: commented in the bug
2813. # [19:22] <mounir> bug 766546
2814. # [19:22] <Optimizer> what's Michael Hoye's irc handle
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2818. # [19:22] <Optimizer> mhoye is not online
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2820. # [19:23] <timeless> Ms2ger: wow
2821. # [19:23] <bajaj> rnewman: ping
2822. # [19:23] <Ms2ger> timeless, indeed :)
2823. # [19:23] <rnewman> bajaj: pong
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2826. # [19:23] <timeless> Ms2ger: these are open bugs?
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2828. # [19:23] <Ms2ger> timeless, yep
2829. # [19:23] <bajaj> rnewman: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=845431 does this need privacy review to land on aurora ?
2830. # [19:24] <Ms2ger> timeless, you've got 214, apparently
2831. # [19:24] <bajaj> rnewman: i am holding off approval per comment 9, but not sure its necessary for aurora
2832. # [19:24] <jhammel> timeless: so we can expect those resolved by EOQ?
2833. # [19:24] <jhammel> sorry, meant EOD ;)
2834. # [19:24] <rnewman> let me take a look
2835. # [19:24] <Ms2ger> Which is only .5%
2836. # [19:24] <Optimizer> the post says the points and how to earn the badges, but who to contact to actually get those badges
2837. # [19:25] <timeless> grrr, bugzilla is not back safe
2838. # [19:25] <Ms2ger> timeless, and actually, that's more than xforms@core.bugs :)
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2840. # [19:25] <timeless> it totally screws things up
2841. # [19:25] * timeless doesn't want to know how it manages that
2842. # [19:25] <rnewman> bajaj: we'll only uplift it once we get either an OK or a "doesn't need OK"
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2844. # [19:25] <rnewman> want me to ping you when we get an answer, or just set the flag and we'll run with it?
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2847. # [19:26] <timeless> jhammel: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?f1=attachments.ispatch&list_id=6019265&o1=equals&resolution=---&emailtype1=exact&query_format=advanced&emailassigned_to1=1&email1=timeless%40bemail.org&v1=1&product=Core
2848. # [19:26] <timeless> feel free to take any of those
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2850. # [19:26] <timeless> 156 bugs assigned to me w/ an attachment is patch
2851. # [19:26] <bajaj> rnewman: pinging me or commenting on the bug will help once you have an answer :) thanks
2852. # [19:26] <rnewman> will do
2853. # [19:26] <rnewman> thanks
2854. # [19:26] <timeless> which is very close to 75% of my bugs
2855. # [19:26] <timeless> that's really not bad
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2857. # [19:26] <jhammel> wow
2858. # [19:26] <timeless> it's just of course, a not great completion record :)
2859. # [19:27] <jhammel> by OSS standards, it kinda is :)
2860. # [19:27] <timeless> most of the others are probably crash-analysis bugs in the weeds which you might as well close, i'm not going to revisit them. i've long since lost whichever machine crashed
2861. # [19:27] <gaston> a great non-completion record ? :)
2862. # [19:28] <timeless> gaston: i had trouble parsing jhammel 's statement too :)
2863. # [19:28] <timeless> actually, to be fair, you should look at a different set of stats
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2870. # [19:29] <timeless> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/report.cgi?y_axis_field=resolution&query_format=report-table&product=Core&emailassigned_to1=1&emailtype1=exact&email1=timeless%40bemail.org&format=table&action=wrap
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2872. # [19:30] <rnewman> bajaj: beta and release; please flag at your leisure!
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2874. # [19:30] <timeless> i have a 66% fix rate of bugs assigned to me
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2876. # [19:30] <Ms2ger> Hmm, these statistics are fun
2877. # [19:30] <bajaj> rnewman: thanks sounds good
2878. # [19:30] <timeless> note that i'm limiting to core
2879. # [19:30] <Ms2ger> Of the Core bugs with an M1 milestone, 88% is fixed
2880. # [19:31] <timeless> you really don't want to try to look at me across the whole bugzilla db
2881. # [19:31] <lizzard> timeless: nice!
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2883. # [19:31] <@khuey> Ms2ger: want to calculate the burndown rate in bugs/year?
2884. # [19:31] <timeless> since some products are totally different
2885. # [19:31] <timeless> khuey: it's more of a blow-up rate :)
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2891. # [19:31] <Ms2ger> Heh
2892. # [19:31] <Ms2ger> 77% of Future bugs are fixed
2893. # [19:32] <Ms2ger> Or closed, at least
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2896. # [19:32] <mbrubeck> Proof that we are living in The Future
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2910. # [19:35] <@dolske> still waiting for netscape4 parity, here.
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2912. # [19:36] <jdm> Optimizer: his handle is mhoye
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2915. # [19:36] <jdm> and he's totally online
2916. # [19:36] <Optimizer> not here ?
2917. # [19:36] <jdm> correct
2918. # [19:36] <jdm> he's not a developer
2919. # [19:36] <Ms2ger> firebot, seen mhoye
2920. # [19:36] <Optimizer> I see
2921. # [19:36] <firebot> mhoye was last seen 7 minutes and 54 seconds ago, saying 'Badge idea: "The Corleone" - Threatens to switch to chrome in a bug.' in #fx-team.
2922. # [19:36] <jdm> Optimizer: /whois is your friend
2923. # [19:36] <jhammel> lol
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2925. # [19:37] <Optimizer> jdm: thanks.
2926. # [19:37] <mbrubeck> 61.6% of parity-ie bugs are closed.
2927. # [19:37] <@khuey> how many as WONTFIX?
2928. # [19:37] <mbrubeck> 12.3%
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2930. # [19:38] <Optimizer> how many as AREYOUKIDDINGME ?
2931. # [19:39] <Optimizer> like this fictional "support document.attachEvent" bug :P
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2934. # [19:40] <@bz> we should wontfix attachEvent
2935. # [19:40] <@bz> if it's open
2936. # [19:40] <Optimizer> totally
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2948. # [19:47] <@bsmedberg> BenWa: pong
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2950. # [19:47] <BenWa> bsmedberg: RE: pending messages when closing the channel.
2951. # [19:47] <BenWa> You mentioned that the design prevents it from being possible?
2952. # [19:48] <BenWa> I'm looking into this since we've hit this problem twice now in OMTC and it's very easy to get wrong and go unnotice
2953. # [19:48] <@bsmedberg> BenWa: well...
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2955. # [19:48] <@bsmedberg> BenWa: I guess that depends on the transport
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2957. # [19:49] <BenWa> i.e. The 'Link' implementation?
2958. # [19:49] <@bsmedberg> for the cross-thread transport, I think the client has to prevent there being pending messages when the channel is closed
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2960. # [19:49] <@bsmedberg> sorry, sorry
2961. # [19:49] <@bsmedberg> for the cross-*process* transport, I think the client has to prevent there being pending messages when the channel is closed
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2963. # [19:49] <@bsmedberg> for the cross-thread transport, I'm not sure, I'd have to look at how the messages are queued
2964. # [19:50] <BenWa> who's the 'client'. The IPDL user code?
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2966. # [19:50] <@bsmedberg> yes
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2968. # [19:51] <BenWa> bsmedberg: So for OMTC we had to introduce this PostTask to make sure that the Shmem destroy replies were received on time: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/widget/xpwidgets/nsBaseWidget.cpp#133
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2970. # [19:52] <@bsmedberg> that looks roughly correct, yes
2971. # [19:52] <BenWa> so if you're telling me the user has to prevent pending messages then for the OMTC case I'd like to have an assert. This is the type of thing people regress, don't notice and that I get pick up the pieces in a few months when the original code doesn't have an owner
2972. # [19:52] <BenWa> /rant
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2974. # [19:53] <BenWa> I guess the question is wether we want this assert for OMTC only or for everything?
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2977. # [19:53] <@bsmedberg> It's hard to assert because it's inherently racy
2978. # [19:53] <@bsmedberg> but sure, we should try
2979. # [19:54] <BenWa> Alright, assuming it's possible to write
2980. # [19:54] <BenWa> I honestly though OOPP would complain when that happened
2981. # [19:54] <BenWa> maybe it was just from crashes
2982. # [19:55] <@bsmedberg> the other side could probably do the assert better
2983. # [19:55] <BenWa> who's the 'other' side?
2984. # [19:55] <@bsmedberg> e.g. "hey I expected to receive Willstop before the channel closed"
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2987. # [19:56] <BenWa> WillStop is just a user message. I wanted to see if it was possible to peak into the queue of messages and make sure it was empty
2988. # [19:56] <@bsmedberg> also if PCompositor had a state machine, we could use the state machine to guarantee this
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2990. # [19:56] <@bsmedberg> that's the "real" answer to this
2991. # [19:57] <BenWa> bsmedberg: Right, I remember the IPDL state feature but it was never used. Why is that?
2992. # [19:57] <@bsmedberg> although getting the state machine to be provably nonracy is hard
2993. # [19:57] <@bsmedberg> BenWa: it really *should* be used for the B2G protocols
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2997. # [19:57] <@bsmedberg> it really couldn't be used for plugins because NPAPI is so gross there is no good state we can preserve
2998. # [19:58] <@bsmedberg> RPC messages make a state machine really hard to prove
2999. # [19:58] <BenWa> bsmedberg: What is the right thing to do here. Use ipdl state or check if the message queue is empty on destruction?
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3003. # [19:58] <@bsmedberg> BenWa: a state machine is a very good longer-term solution
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3005. # [19:58] <@bsmedberg> I'm not sure it's a useful short-term solution, so we should also assert empty-on-destruction
3006. # [19:59] <BenWa> bsmedberg: Why is it hard to add a stop state to PCompositor?
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3009. # [19:59] <@bsmedberg> because you have to prove that the other side isn't going to race on the state, IIRC
3010. # [19:59] <@bsmedberg> I'd have to experiment with the protocol to know that for certain
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3016. # [20:01] <BenWa> Well right now we're assuming we send the right messages at the right time and cross our fingers. If IPDL state adds proper runtime asserts that's better then the current state
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3026. # [20:05] <mbrubeck> woo! more mac jobs starting to come in on inbound...
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3034. # [20:07] <philor> woo, only 10 pending builds, we should be able to open inbound for as much as 30 seconds!
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3039. # [20:09] <mbrubeck> I have a bunch of patches queued up that are NPOTB on Mac, tempted to land them with "a=notmac"
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3041. # [20:09] <mbrubeck> (Or I could land them on m-c but they'd end up hogging Mac slaves uselessly)
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3046. # [20:10] <mbrubeck> We need DONTBUILD-IF(mac)... or DONTBUILD-EXCEPT(win)
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3063. # [20:16] <Mook_as> or enough slaves (somehow) so that people stop caring :p
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3066. # [20:19] <mbrubeck> It's not just that our capacity is too low... Every time I push a Metro-only patch and it generates a bunch of useless builds for Android, Mac, B2G, Linux... it means it is uselessly increasing our sheriffing workload (e.g. starring oranges) and useless adding to the cost/workload of operating all that capacity...
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3068. # [20:19] <mbrubeck> So even if we had the ability to add unlimited number of slaves on demand, we should still prefer not to run useless jobs on them if we can avoid it.
3069. # [20:20] <RyanVM> mbrubeck: see bug 849385
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3072. # [20:20] <mbrubeck> nice... I also filed bug 832008
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3080. # [20:24] <RyanVM> dougt: well, this isn't going swimmingly
3081. # [20:25] <RyanVM> dougt: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=20653720&tree=Mozilla-B2g18
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3084. # [20:26] <RyanVM> dougt: though it looks like it might be an easy fix
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3092. # [20:27] <shu> ted: ping; you think you can get to Preprocessor reviews soon?
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3097. # [20:32] <vlad> brainfart: if I load a js script from foo/bar.js, are any XHRs relative to foo, or relative to the document?
3098. # [20:33] <gcp> how do I get to about:crashes in thunderbird?
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3100. # [20:35] <blassey> mounir: are there test pages for websms?
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3104. # [20:37] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/3da6a0ba66ff - Jed Parsons - Bug 839500 - Close system persona iframe when not in use. r=fabrice, r=benadida
3105. # [20:37] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/6347b649cc74 - Girish Sharma - Bug 838069 - Intermittent browser_toolbox_window_shortcuts.js - disabling on Mac OS X 10.8 and Windows XP
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3107. # [20:38] <jduell> bz: ping
3108. # [20:38] <mounir> blassey: there were
3109. # [20:38] <mounir> blassey: I could find some
3110. # [20:38] <blassey> if you could, that would be useful
3111. # [20:38] <mounir> blassey: but I'm afraid the API might got a bit different now
3112. # [20:38] <blassey> (getting into a shipable form for android)
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3114. # [20:38] <@bz> jduell: ack
3115. # [20:39] <mounir> blassey: couldn't the SMS app from B2G be ported to be installed on Android?
3116. # [20:39] <blassey> dang, that's less than useful
3117. # [20:39] <blassey> hmm
3118. # [20:39] <blassey> perhaps
3119. # [20:39] <mounir> blassey: that would be a good target I guess
3120. # [20:39] <blassey> got a link for htat?
3121. # [20:39] <mounir> blassey: cause the backend will likely need some fixes
3122. # [20:39] <mounir> blassey: https://github.com/mozilla-b2g/gaia/tree/master/apps/communications
3123. # [20:40] <mounir> blassey: sorry, https://github.com/mozilla-b2g/gaia/tree/master/apps/sms
3124. # [20:40] <jduell> bz: so the fix for CORS checks for multiple Access-Control-Allow-Origin headers seems to be breaking enough sites that we're thinking of backing out and fixing the right way (at CORS level, not HTTP, so we stop failing non CORS requests with multiple headers). Do you object to backing out? Would it be a big sec issue to go without any checks until we have them in CORS?
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3126. # [20:40] <jduell> bz: this is bug 814117, BTW
3127. # [20:40] <jduell> See also https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=845273#c10
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3130. # [20:41] <@bz> jduell: I don't object to backing out
3131. # [20:41] <blassey> hmm... fatal: https://github.com/mozilla-b2g/gaia/tree/master/apps/sms/info/refs not found: did you run git update-server-info on the server?
3132. # [20:41] <@bz> jduell: but fixing this on the CORS level is impossible right now
3133. # [20:41] <@bz> jduell: since necko doesn't give us the information to do it, afaict
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3135. # [20:42] <jduell> bz: would bsmith's logic here work: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=847533#c3
3136. # [20:42] <fabrice> mounir: blassey: android first need to get proper webapps/permission support
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3139. # [20:42] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/7ff84bff1a61 - Matt Brubeck - Bug 851156 (part 2) - Clean up unused strings in Metro locale files [r=jimm]
3140. # [20:42] <jduell> i.e. fail if we see multiple values (which IIRC CORS is supposed to do anyway?)
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3142. # [20:42] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/bdff2cef7745 - Matt Brubeck - Bug 851156 (part 1) - Clean Metro strings for button and menu labels [r=jimm]
3143. # [20:42] <@bz> jduell: So the problem is that they're sending multiple Access-Control-Allow-Origin even for a non-CORS request?
3144. # [20:42] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/effe4b6bca9c - Matt Brubeck - Bug 840690 - Improve handling of relative paths when running mach in subdirectories [r=gps]
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3146. # [20:42] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/4d6bd84ed4fd - Matt Brubeck - Bug 845096 - Clean up Metro sync strings [r=jimm]
3147. # [20:42] <blassey> fabrice: I'm working on the permissions stuff
3148. # [20:42] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/867f0631207a - Matt Brubeck - Bug 851156 (part 3) - Clean up Metro password manager strings [r=jimm]
3149. # [20:42] <jduell> bz: yup. And some reasonably big sites (UK tabloids)
3150. # [20:43] <blassey> thought since websms was already implemented it would be a good test case
3151. # [20:43] <@bz> jduell: fun
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3153. # [20:43] <@bz> jduell: ok, let's back out for a start
3154. # [20:43] <fabrice> blassey: you should get it almost for free with the packaged apps support that jhugman is doing no?
3155. # [20:43] <@bz> jduell: then we can figure out how to refix it....
3156. # [20:43] <jduell> bz: yeah, I haven't had this much fun since we cracked down on Location headers that weren't in redirect requests.
3157. # [20:43] <@bz> jduell: heh
3158. # [20:43] <blassey> fabrice: I'm working on getting helper services
3159. # [20:44] <blassey> that can request additional permissions from android
3160. # [20:44] <blassey> so we don't have to ship to the store asking for the world
3161. # [20:44] <blassey> so different permissions
3162. # [20:44] <jduell> bz: I know I should know this by now, but if I'm backing out a bug that's in m-c/aurora/beta but hasn't hit release, can I back out in the orig bug or should I file a new one?
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3164. # [20:45] <Optimizer> RyanVM: thanks for the m-i push.
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3166. # [20:45] <jaws> ehsan: ping?
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3168. # [20:46] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/d9b1dbbb28d4 - Gregory Szorc - Bug 851141 - Use appropriate config.status for external moz.build files; r=gps
3169. # [20:46] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/8920d009778e - Gregory Szorc - Bug 846523 - Relax Unicode encoding requirements in moz.build files; r=ted
3170. # [20:46] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/c994692d1ea8 - Gregory Szorc - Bug 844204 - Report high Finder CPU usage when building; r=ted
3171. # [20:46] <jduell> RyanVM: do you know? ^^ (just my last question :)
3172. # [20:46] <@bz> jduell: I'd file a new one
3173. # [20:47] <@bz> jduell: so we can track the branch backports....
3174. # [20:47] <jduell> bz: ok, thanks
3175. # [20:47] <jduell> RyanVM: nm
3176. # [20:47] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/daa5e00d6428 - Boris Zbarsky - Bug 848745 part 1. Add a scriptable API for converting CSS color names to RGB triples. r=dbaron,miker
3177. # [20:47] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/083ae059a5f1 - Boris Zbarsky - Bug 849307. When generating code for a WebIDL dictionary with interface members, include the relevant headers for those interfaces in the binding header file, not just
3178. # [20:47] <firebot> the binding implementation file. r=peterv
3179. # [20:47] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/a3fcc4ba944c - Boris Zbarsky - Bug 839443. Add an API for getting our supported CSS property names in inspector code. r=dbaron
3180. # [20:47] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/04e088286219 - Boris Zbarsky - Bug 848745 part 2. Add a scriptable API for converting RGB triples to CSS color names. r=dbaron,miker
3181. # [20:48] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/7dc016fc39bf - Boris Zbarsky - Bug 837339. Re-disallow nullable dictionary members inside dictionaries. r=khuey
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3193. # [20:53] <bhearsum> bbondy: is mar channel id compiled into any binaries?
3194. # [20:54] <bhearsum> (or anyone else who knows, maybe ehsan or rstrong?)
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3196. # [20:54] <bbondy> I *think* that it's used to generate the ini that gets included and also used to generate the mars
3197. # [20:54] <bbondy> but not directly part of a binary
3198. # [20:54] <bhearsum> https://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/toolkit/mozapps/update/updater/updater.cpp#2084 seems to confirm that...
3199. # [20:54] <bbondy> looking on dxr
3200. # [20:55] <bhearsum> if i'm reading it correctly
3201. # [20:55] <bbondy> ya what I said seems correct
3202. # [20:56] <bhearsum> thanks, that's very helpful to the investigation i'm doing!
3203. # [20:56] <bbondy> np
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3227. # [21:03] <BenWa> bsmedberg: Alright I'm looking into it now. There's two approaches I see. (1) Flag certain message loops and assert their empty on destruction. (2) Track the last message sent and wrap the message dispatch
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3231. # [21:03] <@bz> hmm
3232. # [21:03] <@bz> b2g test red?
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3258. # [21:10] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/7d2ea731f5a5 - Jeff Hammel - Bug 838374 - release mozprofile, mozprocess, mozdevice (and other?) and mirror to m-c;r=ahal
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3261. # [21:12] <mbrubeck> "HTTP error 403 while getting http://puppetagain.pub.build.mozilla.org/data/python/packages/mozrunner-5.15.tar.gz"
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3263. # [21:13] <RyanVM> yeah, looks like a releng issue
3264. # [21:13] <RyanVM> mbrubeck: thanks
3265. # [21:13] <bhearsum> armenzg: ^
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3267. # [21:13] <ahal> mbrubeck: RyanVM: were on it
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3269. # [21:13] <bhearsum> sounds like you need to chmod some files
3270. # [21:13] <ahal> armenzg: just chmodded them
3271. # [21:13] <RyanVM> nice
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3273. # [21:14] <mbrubeck> I wonder if it's time to wait for OS X jobs again anyway
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3277. # [21:16] <armenzg> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Mozilla-Inbound&jobname=b2g_&revision=3da6a0ba66ff
3278. # [21:16] <armenzg> if after 3 minutes it doesn't burn then we're good
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3280. # [21:16] * armenzg updates instructions
3281. # [21:17] <armenzg> we should really control which versions each mozharness script uses
3282. # [21:18] * mbrubeck will be out for a bit... armenzg and/or RyanVM, can you reopen the tree when it's ready? (Unless RyanVM wants to wait on mac builds again.)
3283. # [21:18] <RyanVM> mbrubeck: i'm on it, thanks
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3285. # [21:18] <armenzg> thanks RyanVM
3286. # [21:19] <mbrubeck> oops, I have a typo in the tree status. :P
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3296. # [21:22] <@smaug> jaws: ping
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3300. # [21:23] <@smaug> jaws: or, nm. I need to find STR for these chrome leaks
3301. # [21:24] <@smaug> jaws: but looks like over the time more and more xul elements end up to cycle collection graph
3302. # [21:24] <@smaug> lots of menuitem elements
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3304. # [21:24] <@smaug> could be a leak or missing optimization
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3310. # [21:27] <@bsmedberg> mwobensmith: you know we already have adobe symbols, right?
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3312. # [21:28] <jimm> who can I bug for a minor d2d/win8 reftest annotation tweak besides roc?
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3314. # [21:28] <jimm> mbrubeck: ^ you mind?
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3316. # [21:29] <mbrubeck> jimm: Just about to run out, but I can get to it in a little while if you don't mind waiting.
3317. # [21:29] <jimm> np
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3319. # [21:29] <jimm> I've just sent about five of these to roc so I'm looking for a new victim
3320. # [21:29] <mwobensmith> bsmedberg: Yes, rumor has it. :) Any idea who that bug should be assigned to?
3321. # [21:30] <@roc> why bother
3322. # [21:30] <@bsmedberg> mwobensmith: well, I really don't understand why all the ASAN bugs are filed with really small stacks to begin with... can we just get an ASAN run with longer stacks in general?
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3324. # [21:31] <mbrubeck> roc: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=851271 is the latest if you want to steal the review
3325. # [21:31] <mwobensmith> bsmedberg: That I can't answer. Maybe that would be a good question for decoder or someone?
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3331. # [21:32] <jimm> roc: I'm not sure what your review queue looks like, but I imagine it's a pretty busy place
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3336. # [21:34] <gaston> jesup|laptop: what's the env var / about:config twiddle to make webrtc chatty/debug ?
3337. # [21:34] <@roc> so just one more review won't make a difference :-)
3338. # [21:35] <jimm> :)
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3343. # [21:35] <jimm> until the next push to inbounds, and then there are five more after that..
3344. # [21:36] <@ehsan> jaws: pongisj
3345. # [21:36] <gaston> hmpf. simple dataconnection example doesnt work.
3346. # [21:36] <@ehsan> pongish, even
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3350. # [21:37] <decoder> bsmedberg: it's simple, most people use opt-builds for asan
3351. # [21:37] <decoder> opt builds are inlined
3352. # [21:37] <decoder> therefore you get short stacks
3353. # [21:37] <decoder> for a longer stack, a debug build is required
3354. # [21:38] <decoder> but people dont use debug builds for testing/fuzzing, and file the bugs using the opt-stacksa
3355. # [21:38] <decoder> -a
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3360. # [21:40] <@bsmedberg> decoder: why would "inlined" == "short stacks"?
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3367. # [21:43] <@bsmedberg> decoder: or should we have ASAN use the breakpad stackwalking mechanism so it produces better stacks... the stacks in bug 848237 right now just aren't long enough to know whether the moz_xmalloc comes from the same callsite as the subsequent use
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3369. # [21:43] * froydnj is pretty sure that's going to seriously slow down ASAN test runs
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3377. # [21:46] <@khuey> what is a 2G test?
3378. # [21:46] <@khuey> and why do I care if its red?
3379. # [21:47] <@bz> b2g
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3381. # [21:47] <@bz> as for whether you care... interesting question. ;)
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3384. # [21:48] <ahal> also they are green now
3385. # [21:48] <ahal> so tree can be reopened
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3389. # [21:49] <JosiahOne> dolske: Ping.
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3404. # [21:54] <dougt> khuey
3405. # [21:54] <dougt> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/page.cgi?id=splinter.html&bug=822712&attachment=724639
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3413. # [21:55] <vlad> smaug: ping
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3416. # [21:56] <@smaug> vlad: pong
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3418. # [21:56] <vlad> smaug: heya, wanted to poke you about pointer lock -- any progress on that? specifically about pointer lock in non-fullscreen
3419. # [21:56] <jaws> ehsan: sorry, forgot to unping
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3421. # [21:57] <@ehsan> jaws: you are forgiven ;)
3422. # [21:57] <@dolske> JosiahOne: pong, quickly
3423. # [21:57] <@ehsan> just this one time though
3424. # [21:57] <@smaug> no progress. I've had to do other stuff, but from tomorrow I can focus only on pointer lock
3425. # [21:57] <jaws> :)
3426. # [21:57] <@smaug> (if I get still one review done )
3427. # [21:57] <vlad> smaug: ok, awesome; think it will be a lot of work? still hoping to get it in by next tuesday/wednesday or so
3428. # [21:57] <JosiahOne> dolske: I was just curious if you tried the try build I supplied on that swipe bug?
3429. # [21:57] <@smaug> vlad: *next* Tuesday?
3430. # [21:57] <vlad> let me know if you need any people to help either with pointer lock (reviewers, etc.) or to take over any immediately pressing tasks
3431. # [21:57] <@smaug> that is really soon
3432. # [21:57] <vlad> yes
3433. # [21:57] <vlad> like, 5 days from now
3434. # [21:57] <vlad> sure is
3435. # [21:58] <vlad> did jst not mention that? :)
3436. # [21:58] <@smaug> I was hoping like the week after that
3437. # [21:58] <vlad> wellll
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3439. # [21:58] <vlad> technically it is the tuesday of the week after that
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3441. # [21:58] <vlad> conference starts that wednesday
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3443. # [21:58] <RyanVM> tree's open, but don't be surprised if we close it again before too long as long as the OSX builder situation persists
3444. # [21:58] <@smaug> vlad: jst mentioned there is GDC in two weeks
3445. # [21:58] <@dolske> JosiahOne: no, sorry.
3446. # [21:59] <@smaug> is it gdc or gcd or cdg ... something like that :)
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3449. # [21:59] <JosiahOne> dolske: It's fine. If you ever have a chance I would suggest you try it, just to see how the animation acts.
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3451. # [21:59] <vlad> smaug: so yeah, maybe aim for mid-next-week, even if you miss... within the 5-6 days after that would still work :) Please find me on irc or drop me an email if you are blocked on anything (I can probably arrange caffeine IVs or similar too if needed) :)
3452. # [21:59] <@smaug> vlad: anyhow, it helps when I know I don't have 1MB of code in my review queue
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3454. # [21:59] <vlad> that is pretty awful
3455. # [22:00] <vlad> what bug, out of curiosity?
3456. # [22:00] <vlad> don't say layers refactor
3457. # [22:00] * @smaug knows nothing about graphics
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3461. # [22:00] <@smaug> I had speech stuff (recognition, tts), localStorage, DOM 3 key events ...
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3465. # [22:01] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/8b3c093d11eb - Dave Hylands - Bug 846670 - Initialize stackBase and stackSize properly for the main-thread when using bionic. r=billm
3466. # [22:01] <vlad> if those aren't critical for the next week, can you defer?
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3469. # [22:02] <@smaug> vlad: I'll do still some localStorage reviewing today, and focus then on pointer lock
3470. # [22:02] <vlad> awesome, thanks!
3471. # [22:02] <@smaug> hopefully I can fix pointer lock using linux only
3472. # [22:02] <@smaug> otherwise I'm in trouble
3473. # [22:02] <@ehsan> dholbert: an I mean, this bug had a freaking total of two comments!!!
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3475. # [22:02] <dholbert> ehsan, so much to read!
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3477. # [22:03] <@ehsan> yeah
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3482. # [22:03] <shu> glandium: ping
3483. # [22:04] <RyanVM> dholbert: ehsan: see, this is just what happens when people spam bugs incessantly
3484. # [22:04] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/2626965bcf33 - Jason Duell - Bug 845273 - Backout Access-Control-Allow-Origin checks (bug 814117) for site breakage r=jduell
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3486. # [22:04] <@ehsan> RyanVM: yeah, dholbert, next time, when you write a patch, vote on the bug instead of commenting :P
3487. # [22:04] <dholbert> :)
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3489. # [22:04] <glandium> shu: pong
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3491. # [22:05] <shu> glandium: i've been trying to get ted to review some Preprocessor patches, but he seems to be hard to track down. mind doing some Preprocessor reviews?
3492. # [22:06] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/ce589d7d2b00 - Jason Duell - Bug 845273 - Backout Access-Control-Allow-Origin checks (bug 814117) for site breakage r=jduell a=lsblakk
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3495. # [22:06] <glandium> shu: what for?
3496. # [22:06] <glandium> shu: i mean, what bug?
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3499. # [22:07] <shu> glandium: bug 848634, it's for removing some shoddy v8 tools we imported for self-hosted JS
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3511. # [22:10] <glandium> shu: i'd be more confortable with ted at least high-level reviewing it. Or at least discussing it with him, because I'm not sure we want to follow that path.
3512. # [22:10] <@ehsan> jdm: is this patch fixed? https://bug845592.bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=725045
3513. # [22:11] <glandium> shu: I'm tempted to ask why not just use cpp ?
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3516. # [22:11] <glandium> js is C-like, from the preprocessor point of view
3517. # [22:11] <glandium> ah. msvc
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3525. # [22:13] <shu> glandium: windows oddities, where cpp isn't available, etc
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3527. # [22:14] <shu> glandium: i would like to just use cpp tbh, but that's probably a giant PITA
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3529. # [22:14] <froydnj> shu: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/dom/bindings/Makefile.in#144
3530. # [22:14] <shu> glandium: okay, i'll wait for ted then i suppose
3531. # [22:15] <froydnj> using cpp is easy :)
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3535. # [22:16] <glandium> froydnj: i wonder how well that works on windows
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3537. # [22:16] <shu> froydnj: does the msvc cpp support things like -imacros and -P (inhibit linemarkers)?
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3541. # [22:18] <shu> i had assumed that the reason we have things like Preprocessor and pymake was because of windows
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3545. # [22:18] <glandium> shu: check http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-US/library/9s7c9wdw%28v=vs.100%29.aspx :)
3546. # [22:18] <RyanVM> billm, assertion killer! 8)
3547. # [22:19] <glandium> shu: pymake is because make sucks on windows
3548. # [22:19] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/1e4be735f546 - Kyle Huey - Bug 849943: Remove an extra bounce to the end of the main thread event queue for IPC IndexedDB. r=bent
3549. # [22:19] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/8f6fa0ad1273 - Kyle Huey - Bug 714453: Make pldhash assertions fatal. r=dbaron
3550. # [22:19] <RyanVM> glandium: how do we enable hg extensions?
3551. # [22:19] <RyanVM> glandium: since hg purge is one
3552. # [22:19] <fryn> !seen spohl
3553. # [22:19] <glandium> shu: preprocessor is because cpp doesn't quite work for non-c
3554. # [22:19] <firebot> spohl was last seen 7 days, 14 hours, 39 minutes and 43 seconds ago, saying 'bz: … or shumway.' in #developers.
3555. # [22:19] <glandium> shu: but js is almost c for the preprocessor
3556. # [22:19] <froydnj> glandium: seems to work ok on windows...or at least it has so far ;)
3557. # [22:20] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/a60d1c61af47 - Josh Matthews - Bug 847959 - Make RecentWindow return any browser window regardless of requested privacy state when perma-PB mode is enabled. r=ehsan
3558. # [22:20] <glandium> RyanVM: edit hgrc?
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3560. # [22:20] <RyanVM> glandium: dunno what the releng procedure is for doing that on the slaves
3561. # [22:20] <RyanVM> that was my question
3562. # [22:21] <RyanVM> jimm: can we hide win8 tests yet?
3563. # [22:21] <shu> glandium: but leaving in line and file markers that start with # isn't
3564. # [22:21] <glandium> RyanVM: there are plenty of locations where to put an hgrc, i bet they can deploy that easily
3565. # [22:21] <jdm> ehsan: yes
3566. # [22:21] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/f766a0b46868 - Benoit Girard - Bug 850833 - Remove desktop logging for Gecko Profiker. r=ehsan
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3569. # [22:21] <glandium> shu: isn't what?
3570. # [22:21] <shu> glandium: isn't JS
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3572. # [22:22] <@ehsan> jdm: what has changed?
3573. # [22:22] <shu> glandium: also i was told by someone from the JS team to use Preprocessor over cpp :P
3574. # [22:22] <jdm> ehsan: we don't need to check the accesskeys for the appmenu
3575. # [22:22] <jimm> RyanVM: thought they would be initially. check with armenzg maybe?
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3578. # [22:23] <jdm> ehsan: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?oldid=721042&action=interdiff&newid=725045&headers=1 is informative :)
3579. # [22:23] <RyanVM> jimm: armenzg's afk :(
3580. # [22:23] <mbrubeck> "Welcome to Mozilla-Inbound. It has been [0012] pushes since the last Mac build."
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3582. # [22:24] <RyanVM> mbrubeck: 5 since osx opt
3583. # [22:24] <glandium> shu: yeah well, you're making preprocessor an even more bastardized cpp than it already is, and i'm not sure i'm confident with the idea
3584. # [22:24] <RyanVM> but yeah, getting to be closing time again
3585. # [22:24] <jimm> RyanVM: isn't that some sort of tbpl edit? I don't know who owns that.
3586. # [22:24] <shu> glandium: because of maintenance issues down the road?
3587. # [22:24] <RyanVM> jimm: yes, I can hide them
3588. # [22:24] <RyanVM> if I get the OK to do so
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3591. # [22:25] <@ehsan> jdm: oh, heh, I had the same URL open in two tabs
3592. # [22:25] <jimm> RyanVM: any idea why mochitest-2 isn't showing up for most of win8?
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3594. # [22:25] <jdm> ha
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3596. # [22:25] <@ehsan> and wondering why they are the same!
3597. # [22:25] <@ehsan> jdm: so should I land that patch?
3598. # [22:25] <jdm> ehsan: yep
3599. # [22:25] <RyanVM> jimm: probably already hidden
3600. # [22:25] <@ehsan> ty
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3602. # [22:25] <RyanVM> jimm: but I'm seeing a few more failures on inbound currently
3603. # [22:25] <jimm> RyanVM: I see it on Win8 pgo, but not the others
3604. # [22:25] <fryn> is there any plan to mitigate the inbound backlog problem, because it doesn't look like it will be getting any better?
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3606. # [22:26] <RyanVM> jimm: we can't adjust which builds are shown until one of those builds is actually done, so opt/debug were probably hidden before there was a pgo M2 to hide
3607. # [22:26] <jimm> RyanVM: if you find new ones that don't have bugs, please post them to bug 847447
3608. # [22:26] <glandium> shu: because the more it is like cpp, the more tempting it is for people to use it like cpp, and be surprised it doesn't work like cpp
3609. # [22:26] <jimm> and we'll file them and fix
3610. # [22:26] <RyanVM> jimm: take a scan on inbound right now
3611. # [22:26] <RyanVM> there's a couple win8 failures there
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3613. # [22:27] <jimm> RyanVM: can you point me to a push?
3614. # [22:27] <shu> glandium: ah, i hear you, let me see if we can just use cpp instead even on msvc
3615. # [22:27] <RyanVM> jimm: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Mozilla-Inbound&rev=04e088286219
3616. # [22:27] <RyanVM> jimm: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Mozilla-Inbound&rev=59611a3afcb3
3617. # [22:27] <RyanVM> jimm: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Mozilla-Inbound&rev=253df4cdfdb9
3618. # [22:27] <@ehsan> oh crap
3619. # [22:28] <@ehsan> inbound was open *just* a second ago!!!
3620. # [22:28] <RyanVM> jimm: i'm tempted to hide mochitest b-c for now
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3622. # [22:28] <@ehsan> sadface
3623. # [22:28] <jimm> the first browser-chrome test looks new
3624. # [22:28] <RyanVM> jimm: I think I saw you talking about the reftest already
3625. # [22:28] <RyanVM> jimm: should I just star those as bug 847447?
3626. # [22:28] <jimm> everything in the second scet should be filed
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3628. # [22:29] <jimm> s/scet/cset
3629. # [22:29] <jimm> RyanVM: sure
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3635. # [22:31] <jimm> RyanVM: we are going to see some weirdness, these tests are running on hardware that is twice as fast as the old minis, with better gfx hardware as well.
3636. # [22:32] <RyanVM> nice
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3651. # [22:39] <jimm> RyanVM: filed bug 851300 on that random bc failure
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3659. # [22:42] <NeilAway> huh, I blanked the CC field, and bugzilla suggested CCing gavin...
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3661. # [22:43] <dholbert> it's a fair suggestion
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3665. # [22:45] <RyanVM> jhammel: suspicious-looking orange on inbound
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3668. # [22:47] <johns> Is |touch CLOBBER| just part of the m-i <-> m-c uplift process now
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3670. # [22:48] <RyanVM> feels that way
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3673. # [22:49] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/b3c09fc390c5 - Ryan VanderMeulen - Backed out changeset 7d2ea731f5a5 (bug 838374) for B2G test bustage on a CLOSED TREE.
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3679. # [22:53] <jesup|laptop> gaston: NSPR_LOG_MODULES datachannel:5,signaling:5,mediapipeline:5,media-conduit:5,mediamanager:5,getusermedia:5 (that's most of them)
3680. # [22:53] <jesup|laptop> gaston: generally ask in #media
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3682. # [22:54] <gaston> ok thanks
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3690. # [22:55] <vlad> if I had a file with simple x,y lines, how would you generate a graph from it?
3691. # [22:55] <vlad> don't say gnuplot
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3693. # [22:55] <vlad> (because i'm on windows)
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3700. # [22:59] <RyanVM> alright, backout #2
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3704. # [22:59] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/828162ad3ab0 - Ryan VanderMeulen - Backed out changeset 3614febde426 (bug 841028) for xpcshell failures on a CLOSED TREE.
3705. # [23:00] * dholbert thinks we need an updated version of https://jboriss.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/tinderbox.png for RyanVM and/or philor
3706. # [23:01] <RyanVM> hah
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3712. # [23:03] <RyanVM> maybe these pseudo-metered landings aren't such a bad thing after all :P
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3719. # [23:06] <RyanVM> BenWa: bustage on inbound that looks like yours
3720. # [23:06] <BenWa> looking
3721. # [23:07] * RyanVM rubs his hands gleefully at the thought of #3 looming
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3723. # [23:07] <RyanVM> this is fun, open the tree, let people land, close the tree, backout everything that just landed
3724. # [23:08] <BenWa> RyanVM: Grrr. it's a warning :(
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3726. # [23:08] <gaston> ''fun''
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3729. # [23:09] <RyanVM> ok, who's within throwing distance of dholbert?
3730. # [23:09] <RyanVM> ctalbert!
3731. # [23:09] <RyanVM> oh wait, he moved :(
3732. # [23:09] <dholbert> RyanVM, his desk is near me, but he's rarely at it :)
3733. # [23:09] * philor|away is now known as philor
3734. # [23:10] <Callek> dholbert++
3735. # [23:10] <Callek> ;-)
3736. # [23:10] <RyanVM> I know :(
3737. # [23:10] <Callek> (for the he's rarely at it, not the need to get stuff thrown at you)
3738. # [23:10] <RyanVM> BenWa: feel free to push a fix with CLOSED TREE
3739. # [23:10] <BenWa> ok thanks
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3751. # [23:14] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/9d96ddb6f022 - Benoit Girard - Bug 850833 - Fix unused function warning. r=bustage CLOSED TREE
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3760. # [23:19] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/3e1241c6d2ce - Hannes Verschore - Backed out changeset 9f39547cfab3 (bug 850534) for yarr crashes on a CLOSED TREE
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3762. # [23:21] <RyanVM> dholbert: <3
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3764. # [23:21] <tbsaunde> /win 29
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3766. # [23:22] <RyanVM> jimm: seeing pretty frequent win8 talos timeouts too
3767. # [23:23] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/936255a0384a - Heather Arthur - Bug 850513 - [style inspector] Remove notification when navigating away with unsaved changes. r=paul
3768. # [23:23] * rail is now known as rail_away
3769. # [23:23] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/a4b1b14b865a - Paul Rouget - merge fx-team to m-c
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3771. # [23:23] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/10e454c16406 - Michael Ratcliffe - Bug 818151 - [toolbox] adapt the toolbox UI to make it fit on the side of the browser r=paul
3772. # [23:23] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/2e3aba92a713 - Girish Sharma - Bug 831693 - Experiment with auto completion in Inspector Searchbox, r=paul
3773. # [23:23] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/ab77f1f91522 - Girish Sharma - Bug 835899 - Web Console autocomplete popup could need some UI love, r=msucan, r=paul
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3777. # [23:24] <RyanVM> paul: ping
3778. # [23:24] <philor> mmm, that's not good, dom/src/foo/test_foo.html timed out on aurora, did somebody add a directory?
3779. # [23:24] <shu> glandium: ping
3780. # [23:25] <yzen> Yoric: hi, i know you're probably busy, I have a patch for bug 848278 that does what you and froydnj requested. maybe one of you could take a look
3781. # [23:26] <h4writer> RyanVM, and thanks for the firebot tip ;)
3782. # [23:26] <Yoric> yzen: I'll try and do this tomorrow morning.
3783. # [23:26] <glandium> shu: pong
3784. # [23:26] <RyanVM> np
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3786. # [23:26] <h4writer> Ryan, I wasn't aware it uses information out of different channels
3787. # [23:26] <shu> glandium: if i have a .js file that has cpp directives like #include, how do i automatically generate dependencies for it in the Makefile?
3788. # [23:28] <glandium> shu: you mimick the rules we have for C++ files (and be aware they are going to change with bug 462463)
3789. # [23:28] <paul> RyanVM: pong?
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3791. # [23:28] <shu> glandium: i'm unfortunately unfamiliar with our build system (or build systems in general), i was asking for a line or something i can look at and cargo cult my way into working order :)
3792. # [23:28] <paul> RyanVM: extremly bad connection here… I might get disconnected
3793. # [23:29] <RyanVM> paul: was just wondering if you knew about m-cMerge for after you merge fx-team to m-c
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3795. # [23:29] <RyanVM> automates all the bug marking for you
3796. # [23:29] <glandium> shu: you're going to have a hard time cargo-culting that
3797. # [23:29] <paul> RyanVM: what is that?
3798. # [23:30] <glandium> shu: we have different rules at different places for different compilers
3799. # [23:30] <RyanVM> paul: if you go to your push on tbpl, there's an "Open in m-cMerge" link on the rigth side
3800. # [23:30] <paul> RyanVM: indeed :) Looking…
3801. # [23:30] <RyanVM> paul: you'll like it :)
3802. # [23:30] <shu> glandium: well, where should i be looking?
3803. # [23:31] <glandium> shu: look at the patches in bug 462463, they will give you an idea where to look, even if they don't show everything
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3805. # [23:31] <glandium> shu: and prepare to cry :)
3806. # [23:32] <shu> glandium: heh, thanks...
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3808. # [23:32] <glandium> shu: only for that reason using Preprocessor.py might actually not be so bad of an idea
3809. # [23:32] <glandium> shu: see, i have mixed feelings
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3811. # [23:33] <shu> glandium: well, we can always hardcode the list of dependencies for the self-hosted js stuff
3812. # [23:34] <shu> glandium: but it's a pain to maintain 2 lists, one in the file that includes everything, and one in the dep list
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3815. # [23:35] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/703670711419 - Richard Newman - Bug 851209 - Make exceptionStr robust against null exceptions. r=gps
3816. # [23:35] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/e542dc7d6501 - Richard Newman - Merge m-c to s-c.
3817. # [23:35] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/0f7261e288f2 - Richard Newman - Merge m-c to s-c.
3818. # [23:35] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/9db3cfddc9be - Richard Newman - Bug 849353 - Add basic app info section to top level of FHR payload. r=gps
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3822. # [23:37] <yzen> Yoric: thank a bunch!
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3848. # [23:47] <jimm> RyanVM: I'll file a bug on that
3849. # [23:47] <RyanVM> ok
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3857. # [23:52] <jimm> RyanVM: oh, you already have a bug filed on it.
3858. # [23:52] <jimm> I'll mention it in the tracker.
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3861. # [23:54] <RyanVM> i did?
3862. # [23:54] <RyanVM> i just starred them under the existing bug on file
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3867. # [23:57] <jimm> same bug
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3869. # [23:57] <jimm> don't think we need to file a new one if we've already seen it.
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