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1. # Session Start: Sat Mar 16 00:00:00 2013
2. # Session Ident: #developers
3. # [00:00] <philor> billm: pong
4. # [00:00] <billm> philor: what's the deal with win8 builds? for a while they were enabled, but now I don't see them anymore.
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7. # [00:01] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/b9fb91275c69 - Bobby Holley - Bug 850251 - Remove Off-Main-Thread XPCWrappedJS refcounting from HTTP Activity Distributor. r=mcmanus
8. # [00:01] <philor> billm: &showall=1, dunno why someone decided to hide the green things, other than the usual "you can't run visible on m-c if you don't run everywhere"
9. # [00:01] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/00dbfbea1ba8 - Bobby Holley - Bug 850249 - Remove Off-Main-Thread XPCWrappedJS refcounting from Wifi Listeners. r=mcmanus
10. # [00:01] <darktrojan> my nightly has lost its app.update.channel pref, any ideas?
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12. # [00:01] <billm> philor: so I don't have to worry about making them green? I have a patch that causes that a11y leak to be much more frequent on win8.
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14. # [00:02] <philor> billm: oh, https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=847447#c19 - apparently we didn't like the intermittent rate
15. # [00:02] <billm> philor: yay! thanks for the info.
16. # [00:02] <philor> billm: as it happens, for a comment later in that same bug I looked at win8 for that leak, and it was at 60%, so... you made it much more frequent?
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18. # [00:03] <philor> twice per run?
19. # [00:03] <philor> oh, what fun, now tbpl's timing out trying to generate logs
20. # [00:04] <billm> philor: it leaked 7/9 times with my patch
21. # [00:04] <billm> so maybe just a little higher :-)
22. # [00:05] <Waldo> who are the usual suspects to CC on browser benchmark metabugs these days, besides bz?
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24. # [00:06] <asdasd> welp, i can't get settimeout to happen faster, how is settimeout hooked into a lowlevel windows api for waiting ?
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47. # [00:19] <dholbert> asdasd, a little digging took me to https://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/xpcom/threads/nsTimerImpl.cpp (the setTimeout value is "aDelay" there)
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51. # [00:21] <dholbert> asdasd, which calls https://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/xpcom/threads/nsTimerImpl.cpp#630 to set "mTimeout"
52. # [00:22] <asdasd> cool, checking
53. # [00:22] <dholbert> asdasd, and it looks like that effectively gets compared to "Now()" in void nsTimerImpl::Fire()
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55. # [00:23] <dholbert> asdasd, so if you've hacked "Now()" to advance time extra-fast, I'd expect that you'd be getting the behavior you'd expect
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57. # [00:23] <asdasd> new Date() returns a faster time
58. # [00:23] <asdasd> that doesn't go via Now() in the end ?
59. # [00:26] <asdasd> dholbert, the Now is from mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/xpcom/ds/TimeStamp_windows.cpp yeah ?
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63. # [00:30] <asdasd> hmm, it seems there to use gettickcount64, might be the reason
64. # [00:30] <nsm> fabrice: so there are 3-4 different cert8.db in gecko/, which one of them should i replace
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66. # [00:31] <dholbert> asdasd, I'm not sure
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68. # [00:32] <edwin> Hmm, just had some trouble downloading nightly for android because nightly.m.o points to http://ftp.m.o/..., which *doesn't* redirect to ftp://ftp.m.o/...
69. # [00:32] <dholbert> asdasd, (yeah, looks like that'd be the right Now() implementation)
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71. # [00:33] <dholbert> edwin, http://ftp.m.o indeed doesn't redirect to ftp://, AFAIK, and that's fine
72. # [00:33] <dholbert> it just serves up an HTTP listing of the files, like e.g. your people.m.o directory does if you don't have an index.html
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74. # [00:33] <edwin> dholbert: Is http://ftp down right now or something? Can't seem to connect to it.
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76. # [00:34] <dholbert> edwin, hmm, it is loading slowly
77. # [00:34] <dholbert> edwin, http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/ftp.mozilla.org/ says it's down
78. # [00:34] <dholbert> edwin, see http://status.mozilla.com/
79. # [00:34] <dholbert> "service disruption"
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81. # [00:35] <edwin> I forget far too often that that status page exists.
82. # [00:35] <dholbert> someone in #it could tell you more; I'm sure it's already paged people or whatever
83. # [00:36] <dholbert> edwin, it eventually loaded for me, though, FWIW. just took longer than normal
84. # [00:36] <dholbert> edwin, maybe if we had asdasd's speedhacks, it'd load faster :)
85. # [00:36] <asdasd> :)
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88. # [00:37] <edwin> Seems to be fine now. That was quick.
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94. # [00:42] <NeilAway> Optimizer: weird, why would anyone do that?
95. # [00:43] <Optimizer> to have custom styles, I guess
96. # [00:43] <Optimizer> the devtools toolbox's tabs are that
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98. # [00:44] <jwir3> hm... is there a simple way, given an nsLineBox, to determine if that line box has a descendant that is an nsPlaceholderFrame?
99. # [00:45] <jwir3> basically I want to know if a placeholder frame exists in a given subtree
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114. # [00:52] <dholbert> jwir3, arbitrarily deep in that tree?
115. # [00:52] <asdasd> dholbert, ok, i might have an idea how to make it work, lets see.. :)
116. # [00:53] <dholbert> jwir3, I don't know if there's a "simple way" aside from just iterating across mFrames, recursively
117. # [00:53] <jwir3> dholbert: Well, more specifically, I am in a block, in the midst of reflow, and I just want to determine if a given line has a placeholder within it (so, yeah, I think so)
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119. # [00:54] <jwir3> dholbert: I feel like we should have a function that does this for us already (e.g. 'nsLayoutUtils::HasDescendentOfType(nsIAtom*))
120. # [00:54] <dholbert> jwir3, I suspect most code that wants to do that sort of thing could just instead call MungeDescententsOfType(nsIAtom*), since that's presumably what it wants to do next
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122. # [00:55] <dholbert> er "MungeDescendantsOfType" (not that spelling matters, since it's a nonexistent function :))
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125. # [00:55] <jwir3> hah
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128. # [00:56] <jwir3> i.e. "screw it up"?
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130. # [00:56] <mats> jwir3: sounds like what you want is a variation of CollectFloats ?
131. # [00:57] <mats> jwir3: it will do the traversal thing, removing the floats it finds that belongs to a specific block, ignoring the rest
132. # [00:57] <jwir3> mats: Hm, yes, that might work.
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139. # [00:59] <mats> jwir3: depends on what you want you want to do with the placeholders/floats I guess
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142. # [01:00] <dhylands> bsmedburg: ping
143. # [01:00] <dhylands> bsmedberg: ping (spelled correctly this time)
144. # [01:01] <jwir3> mats: Well, basically all I want to do right now is in nsBlockFrame::ReflowDirtyLines(), if a line has a placeholder frame as a descendant (the float itself could have been pushed), I want to force it to reflow, even if the layout of the line (i.e. the available height) hasn't changed.
145. # [01:01] <jwir3> So that we can suck the floats back from our next-in-flow (if they were pushed), and reflow them correctly.
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158. # [01:06] <mats> jwir3: nsLineBox has a HadFloatPushed bit, maybe dbaron knows if that can help?
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169. # [01:17] <mrbkap> tanvi: ping?
170. # [01:17] <asdasd> hmm.. strange, any reaosn for firefox to decide i dont have a stable TSC on a normal computer /
171. # [01:17] <asdasd> can anyoen on windows, try doing set NSPR_LOG_MODULES=TimeStampWindows:5 set NSPR_LOG_FILE=nspr.log and see the sHasStableTSC value there ?
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173. # [01:18] <tanvi> mrbkap: pong
174. # [01:19] <mrbkap> tanvi: hey, are you up for a quick review to fix bug 850676
175. # [01:19] <mrbkap>
176. # [01:19] <mrbkap> ?
177. # [01:20] <mrbkap> tanvi: I'm attaching the patch as I type this.
178. # [01:20] <tanvi> mrbkap: for bug 850676, the current solution/review is to disable the test.
179. # [01:20] <tanvi> ah okay
180. # [01:20] <mrbkap> tanvi: I have a real patch.
181. # [01:20] <tanvi> sure
182. # [01:20] <mrbkap> Great!
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185. # [01:22] <philor> 983 unstarred, maybe I'll take the weekend off
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187. # [01:23] <tanvi> mrbkap: ping me when its updated. in the meantime, i'll continue debugging something else
188. # [01:23] <mrbkap> tanvi: patch in the bug.
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190. # [01:24] <mrbkap> tanvi: I don't know if the comment I added above the script test is useful, so tell me if you don't care about it.
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201. # [01:28] <tanvi> mrbkap: good catch!
202. # [01:28] <tanvi> mrbkap: i dont understand the comment you added above the resources script test.
203. # [01:29] <tanvi> mrbkap: we try to fetch the resource and either load or error
204. # [01:29] <tanvi> mrbkap: why is an execption thrown?
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206. # [01:29] <mrbkap> tanvi: there's an uncaught exception from the script because it uses language features (and chrome-only things) not available to content.
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208. # [01:30] <mrbkap> tanvi: so I started investigating the error and realized that it didn't matter since all we cared about was the script load.
209. # [01:30] <tanvi> mrbkap: do we need to catch the exception, or is it okay to continue ignoring it?
210. # [01:30] <mrbkap> tanvi: and not the result of the execution.
211. # [01:30] <mrbkap> tanvi: We can't catch it easily, it's fine to continue ignoring it.
212. # [01:30] <tanvi> mrbkap: okay sounds good
213. # [01:31] <tanvi> the patch looks good to me. not sure if i should r? to smaug (since he reviewed the original tests)
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216. # [01:32] <tanvi> mrbkap: i just r+
217. # [01:32] <tanvi> 'ed it
218. # [01:32] <tanvi> mrbkap: please check that it passes locally (or push it to try) before landing
219. # [01:33] <mrbkap> tanvi: It passes locally for sure.
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221. # [01:33] <tanvi> i just heard try is closed
222. # [01:33] <mrbkap> tanvi: and it fixes the symptom in the bug.
223. # [01:33] <tanvi> mrbkap: okay cool
224. # [01:34] <mrbkap> tanvi: I think wchen is eager to do a try run with this patch applied :)
225. # [01:34] <mrbkap> tanvi: this bug is blocking one of his big patches from landing.
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228. # [01:34] <BenWa> Wow, that's really red :'(
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230. # [01:34] <mrbkap> tanvi: Thanks for the review.
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234. # [01:37] <tanvi> mrbkap: no problem. thank you for finding the bug in the code!
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245. # [01:46] <@ted> tanvi, mrbkap: thanks for looking into that!
246. # [01:46] <@ted> always hate disabling tests without understanding why
247. # [01:46] <mrbkap> Yeah.
248. # [01:46] <mrbkap> Joel did most of the hard work narrowing it down, just needed a little extra effort to see where the exception was coming from.
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251. # [01:48] <Callek> jakem (in #planning) s urgently trying to find out what UA we use when getting the update (.mar file) on windows
252. # [01:48] <Callek> specifically for confirmation its not "Microsoft BITS/7.5" in some cases
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254. # [01:49] <@dolske> already got it.
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357. # [03:18] <Jesse> tbsaunde: thanks for the help in https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=571613. i'll try fuzzing without ignoring assertions in accessible/ and let you know how it goes.
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361. # [03:23] <dherman> are anchor links broken in nightly?
362. # [03:24] <dherman> my table of contents links at http://asmjs.org/spec/latest/ are no longer working
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364. # [03:24] <dherman> (but work fine in safari & chrome)
365. # [03:25] <Unfocused> dherman: wfm
366. # [03:26] <dherman> Unfocused: weird. macos?
367. # [03:26] <Unfocused> windows 8, latest nightly
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369. # [03:26] <dherman> oh weird, I shift-reloaded and it works
370. # [03:26] <dherman> creepy...
371. # [03:26] <Unfocused> ghost in the machine ;)
372. # [03:26] <dherman> yeah
373. # [03:27] <Callek> dherman: why would we break <a href=""> and not have anyone or any tests notice?
374. # [03:27] <Callek> just to shed light on why that was a silly question :-)
375. # [03:27] <philor> Callek: um, you must be new here
376. # [03:28] <Callek> philor++
377. # [03:28] <Callek> haha
378. # [03:28] <jcranmer> Callek: are you suggesting our tests are actually useful?
379. # [03:28] <Callek> jcranmer: I'm suggesting *some* of our tests are useful
380. # [03:28] <jcranmer> everyone knows the point of our tests are to randomly fail
381. # [03:28] <Callek> jcranmer: glass half full! randomly pass
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383. # [03:29] <tbsaunde> Jesse: np \O/
384. # [03:30] <Jesse> dherman: i hit that earlier today
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386. # [03:36] <dherman> Callek: so, there is, in fact a bug
387. # [03:37] <Callek> dherman: I didn't say there wasn't a bug, or something intermittently causing it due to weird stuff -- I just meant it wasn't outright broken ;-P
388. # [03:37] <Callek> also humans++, tests--
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391. # [03:37] <dherman> Callek: I think it's bad practice to tell people they're asking silly questions when they report bugs
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394. # [03:38] <dherman> first time anyone's repsonded to me on IRC that way, and I'm not particularly pleased about it
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396. # [03:40] <Callek> dherman: I apologize then, I meant it more in jest, and said it only because I know you've been around a long time (I would never say that to a new face/name)
397. # [03:40] <dherman> ok cool
398. # [03:40] <dherman> yeah, you won't hurt my feelings
399. # [03:41] <Callek> more joking because it *sounds* like a silly Q, since its such a basic part of web functionality.
400. # [03:41] <dherman> understood. consider it forgotten
401. # [03:41] <Callek> kk
402. # [03:43] <Callek> dherman: while I have you, hows rust progressing? :-) -- is it at the point where I as a programmer who likes knowing multiple languages, though doesn't frequently use them all, should start learning it. Or does it still have a good deal to go before it stacks up compared to things like C++/Python
403. # [03:47] <philor> sweet, who broke search on inbound?
404. # [03:48] <philor> ah, that'd be fyan
405. # [03:49] <philor> what, did he think we didn't have a test for the Google search icon?
406. # [03:49] <dherman> Callek: depends on what you want to do
407. # [03:49] <dherman> if you want to learn it, now's a fine time
408. # [03:49] <dherman> it's stabilizing rapidly
409. # [03:50] <dherman> so any coming changes in the language won't be very drastic
410. # [03:50] <joe> "it won't kick you repeatedly or ANYTHING"
411. # [03:50] <dherman> but if you want to ship production software, you should wait a bit longer
412. # [03:50] <dherman> our goal is to hit 1.0 roughly by the end of 2013
413. # [03:50] <Callek> dherman: ok phrased another way, is there a partcular type of programming task its good for right now, and any particular task its poor for; and how is its OS interop so far?
414. # [03:51] * Callek doesn't expect to *ship* stuff based on rust yet, or ever. Just an idea of "I like to be able to edit/write simple stuff in a variety of languages if needed"
415. # [03:51] <dherman> so it's especially good for low-level programming where you need fine-grained control over resource usage, especially memory
416. # [03:51] <dherman> and for highly concurrent/parallel programs
417. # [03:51] <dherman> so for example, say you wanted to implement a web browser
418. # [03:51] <dherman> and you wanted to design it to use parallel algorithms as much as possible
419. # [03:51] <dherman> call this hypothetical browser "servo"
420. # [03:52] <Callek> hahaha
421. # [03:52] <dherman> ;-)
422. # [03:52] <Callek> O hi I know that term
423. # [03:52] <dherman> but also,
424. # [03:52] <dherman> we're finding games programmers are really interested in rust
425. # [03:52] <dherman> because it's quite well suited to the kind of programming they do
426. # [03:52] <joe> IT claims that ftp is back in service
427. # [03:52] <Callek> ooo yea I can imagine!
428. # [03:52] <joe> should we reopen?
429. # [03:52] <Callek> joe: sheriff is waiting for good signs of green (on all the jobs that previously failed)
430. # [03:53] <dherman> basically, there are two killer features of rust over C++: (1) concurrency isn't horrendously painful. (2) if you aren't using the explicitly-marked "unsafe" parts of the language, you can't crash, by design.
431. # [03:53] <dherman> (and they're explicitly marked, as in, you have to enter an `unsafe { ... }` block)
432. # [03:53] <Callek> hehe nice!
433. # [03:54] <Callek> so to be extra clear, precompiled or JIT-based language?
434. # [03:54] <dherman> precompiled
435. # [03:54] <dherman> it's very much a C++ style of language
436. # [03:54] <Callek> (as I thought, just double checking)
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439. # [03:55] <Callek> dherman: last high level question for the night -- multi-OS so far, or just 1-OS-Type (e.g. Linux, Linux+Mac+Windows, etc)
440. # [03:55] <philor> "abort: error: ''", thanks, hg, I'll just fix that then
441. # [03:55] <dherman> Callek: multi-OS
442. # [03:56] <Luqman> and multi-arch! (x86, arm, mips)
443. # [03:56] <dherman> I know we build on Linux Mac and Windows, but I'm not sure how well-tested we are on Windows
444. # [03:56] <dherman> and we recently got an ARM port
445. # [03:56] <dherman> though it's less stable
446. # [03:56] <Callek> dherman: have I mentioned that you're awesome! ;-)
447. # [03:56] <Callek> hehe
448. # [03:56] <dherman> we're all kinda scratching our heads over the MIPS port that was contributed
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450. # [03:56] * Callek can't imagine designing a programming language.
451. # [03:56] <Callek> hahahaha MIPS port?!?
452. # [03:56] <Callek> well now that is interesting
453. # [03:56] <dherman> Callek: I don't deserve the credit. it's graydon, niko, patrick, brian, and tim
454. # [03:57] <dherman> I'm just there to help troubleshoot
455. # [03:57] <jcranmer> people still use MIPS?
456. # [03:57] <dherman> jcranmer: srsly I have no idea :)
457. # [03:57] <joe> embedded i think
458. # [03:57] <Callek> well it does say "I work on: ... Rust" in your phonebook entry :-P
459. # [03:57] <joe> tivo might be mips?
460. # [03:57] <joe> i'm not positive
461. # [03:57] <joe> there are also, i shit you not, mips android handhelds
462. # [03:57] <dherman> Callek: yeah, I'm sort of like an advisor for the team
463. # [03:57] <ewong> pardon my late-entry question.. Rust is like C as in it requires a compiler?
464. # [03:58] <Callek> yep, I asked above
465. # [03:58] <dherman> ewong: that's right
466. # [03:58] <Callek> :-)
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469. # [03:58] <qDot> Oh, is ARM done now?
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471. # [03:58] <joe> qDot: yeah we decided to go old school
472. # [03:58] <qDot> We should really start rewriting FxOS in Rust now then.
473. # [03:58] * qDot ducks, covers.
474. # [03:58] <joe> a=me
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476. # [03:59] <dherman> qDot: pretty sure one of the telcos has demanded it by next week
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478. # [03:59] <Callek> hey according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIPS_architecture there are MIPS chips manufactured even in 2012
479. # [03:59] <qDot> dherman: Which means we probably said we had it done 3 months ago. :3
480. # [03:59] <dherman> :)
481. # [03:59] <Callek> qDot++
482. # [03:59] <Callek> dherman++
483. # [04:00] <joe> http://developer.mips.com/android/
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488. # [04:01] <ewong> oh? Rust doesn't work on Vista?
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490. # [04:01] <Callek> ewong: Vista doesn't work on Vista
491. # [04:02] <ewong> lol
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493. # [04:03] <Callek> ewong: apparantly http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rust_%28programming_language%29 has a good overview ;-)
494. # [04:03] <Waldo> and I'm sure it's out of date
495. # [04:03] <Waldo> ;-)
496. # [04:04] <Luqman> ewong: https://github.com/mozilla/rust/wiki/Note-getting-started-developing-Rust
497. # [04:05] <dherman> the tutorial is a nice place to learn about Rust
498. # [04:05] <dherman> it's a big long for a tutorial, but it's still nicely written
499. # [04:05] <dherman> http://static.rust-lang.org/doc/tutorial.html
500. # [04:07] <Callek> dherman: so I guess I have one final high level question, can Rust written dll's (or even .lib's) get linked/shared with C/C++ based libraries?
501. # [04:07] <Luqman> Callek: http://brson.github.com/2013/03/10/embedding-rust-in-ruby/
502. # [04:07] <Callek> such that if we wanted to migrate parts (or all) of gecko to rust-based code, we could without needing to do a VERY large rewrite of the whole thing
503. # [04:07] <ewong> Will Firefox be re-written in Rust?
504. # [04:08] <ewong> probably a stupid question.. nvm
505. # [04:08] <dherman> Callek: it's a tricky question because Rust was designed to have a non-trivial runtime system with a task scheduler
506. # [04:08] <dherman> but
507. # [04:09] <Callek> Luqman: so just skimming that post, it sounds like 'no' but we could in theory create binary XPCOM components if we extend xpconnect
508. # [04:09] <dherman> we have plans to have a "runtime-free" version of Rust
509. # [04:09] <dherman> that doesn't have the task scheduler
510. # [04:09] <Callek> dherman: but then we'd lose much of the benefit of what servo is providing, aiui
511. # [04:09] <dherman> that will be much easier to embed
512. # [04:09] <dherman> but
513. # [04:09] <Luqman> Callek: huh, you can link against a rust library and call functions
514. # [04:09] <dherman> you can still link C/C++ into regular Rust programs
515. # [04:09] <Luqman> though you wouldn't have access to runtime things
516. # [04:10] <dherman> it's been designed for interop with C/C++ all along,
517. # [04:10] <dherman> but when you have a language with a non-trivial concurrency story,
518. # [04:10] <dherman> there are interop limitations
519. # [04:10] <dherman> I'm not up on the full details though
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522. # [04:10] <Callek> dherman: Luqman: ahh ok, so if we redid firefox to launch as "a rust program" we could in theory have xul.dll still be C++, etc
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524. # [04:10] <dherman> correct
525. # [04:10] <Callek> but yea, I'm more just thinking theory, no way am I doing any of said work
526. # [04:11] <dherman> ewong: we don't currently have plans to reimplement Firefox
527. # [04:11] <dherman> however, Servo is a project to do a complete reboot of a browser engine
528. # [04:11] <dherman> that could ultimately lead to a new browser
529. # [04:11] <jcranmer> do we have plans to let extensions write themselves in rust? :-)
530. # [04:11] <Callek> (but yea, knowing said architecture potentials helps me to remain current/useful even outside of my current area of expertise/employment :-) )
531. # [04:11] <Luqman> Callek: yes, calling into C from rust is pretty simple. C -> Rust is possible with some limitations
532. # [04:11] <dherman> or conceivably it could be Firefox v24601
533. # [04:11] <dherman> but that's a product decision, and one for quite a bit further down the road
534. # [04:11] <dherman> right now this is a technology research project
535. # [04:12] <dherman> jcranmer: no
536. # [04:12] <dherman> jcranmer: death to plugins
537. # [04:12] <dherman> if you need ultrafast logic, use asm.js!
538. # [04:12] <Callek> even IF we don't make Firefox into rust, I still think its a worthwhile project/plan. and awesome based on the little I've skimmed it
539. # [04:12] <jcranmer> Servo doesn't pass Acid1 yet?
540. # [04:12] <dherman> I don't believe so, no
541. # [04:13] <Callek> jcranmer: why do we need to pass Acid1
542. # [04:13] <dherman> Servo is still under-resourced but we've got some people joining the team RSN
543. # [04:13] <jcranmer> Callek: Acid1 is the simplest layout test
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545. # [04:13] <Callek> hehe, but tables are so 1995
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547. # [04:14] <jcranmer> actually, it's floats
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549. # [04:14] <Callek> jcranmer: floats are even old by now (floats were like 2002)
550. # [04:14] <Callek> http://www.webstandards.org/files/acid2/test.html#top is slightly better ;-)
551. # [04:14] <jcranmer> yes, but don't support them and you break the web
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553. # [04:16] <Callek> jcranmer: we could also just forget acid1-3 and test http://www.hixie.ch/tests/evil/acid/004/ instead
554. # [04:16] <Callek> for servo
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570. # [04:30] <ewong> I only blinked! m-i went from 10 unstarred to 405!! O_O
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574. # [04:38] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/af48e32a1479 - Gregor Wagner - Bug 851741 - Contacts API: make continue async. r=bent
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631. # [05:20] <tbsaunde> jcranmer: have any worris about c-c if I kill _IMPL_NS_LAYOUT ?
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633. # [05:23] <jcranmer> uh?
634. # [05:23] <jcranmer> "no clue"
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637. # [05:24] <tbsaunde> jcranmer: ok I seem to remember grep not finding anything suspicious so I won't worry about it :)
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642. # [05:31] <philor> of course, the first push might have broken b2g, no idea how anyone would tell
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656. # [05:42] <digitsm> Hello
657. # [05:42] <digitsm> I have a question about rapid changes during beginning of developments in mozilla projects
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659. # [05:44] <digitsm> In my experience, in the beginning of a project, usually there're many changes, especially in the shared (core) components
660. # [05:44] <digitsm> in this case many conflicts will occur
661. # [05:45] <digitsm> How do you (=mozilla developers) resolve this conflicts?
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664. # [05:46] <jcranmer> in the beginning of a project, there's not enough developers to cause conflicts :-P
665. # [05:47] <digitsm> jcranmer: Why not? Don't you think 5-6 members are enough?
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667. # [05:47] <digitsm> even with 2 members you might get many conflicts!
668. # [05:48] <digitsm> because the need to change shared components
669. # [05:48] <digitsm> rapidly
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671. # [05:49] <jcranmer> I resolve conflicts with the help of a three-way merge program
672. # [05:49] * KWierso|Home prefers arm wrestling, personally
673. # [05:49] <jcranmer> but I'm also the kind of person who has 1000+-line patches semi-perma-applied
674. # [05:49] <darktrojan> paper scissors rock
675. # [05:49] <jcranmer> so conflicts happen on a regular basis for me
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678. # [05:50] <digitsm> jcranmer: everybody uses a merge program
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680. # [05:51] <digitsm> jcranmer: but in most cases conflicts could not be resolved completely by a merger program
681. # [05:52] <digitsm> as every developer in a team might know, conflicts are always nightmare of developers
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684. # [05:53] <digitsm> I've seen 4 type of conflict resolving methods:
685. # [05:54] <qDot> philor: Uh, wow. Something went way wrong there, sorry.
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687. # [05:55] <digitsm> 1- Giving commit access to every team member -> a careless team member may overwrite others' efforts -> a repo manager should always review changes in the tree
688. # [05:55] <philor> qDot: looks like it's building fine on Windows ;)
689. # [05:55] <qDot> \o/
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693. # [05:56] <digitsm> 2- Micro$oft Team Foundation Server way: When somebody is working on a file it'll be read-only for the others
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696. # [05:58] <qDot> Ok.
697. # [05:58] <qDot> This used to not build for android.
698. # [05:58] <qDot> Because this shouldn't build on android.
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700. # [05:58] <qDot> So, um, how the fuck is this building on android.
701. # [06:00] <philor> poorly?
702. # [06:00] <digitsm> 3- Mozilla way: No direct repo change, only submitting code through patches. If any conflict occur the assignee must resolve it and reviewer must be careful about not overwriting others' jobs
703. # [06:00] <qDot> Wait. Does Android identify as OS_ARCH Linux?
704. # [06:01] <qDot> (In the new build system)
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716. # [06:07] <qDot> Huh. Well, it's been building for android for a while.
717. # [06:07] <qDot> That's fun.
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727. # [06:12] <philor> sigh
728. # [06:13] <philor> dzbarsky: did you need a clobber, for the sake of the lamest OS?
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730. # [06:13] <dzbarsky> philor: quite possibly. I thought we fixed that bug!
731. # [06:14] <philor> and yes, it's a bit ambiguous whether I mean Windows, or the b2g one I didn't look at
732. # [06:14] <dzbarsky> lol. /bin/bash: adb: command not found. awesome
733. # [06:14] <qDot> Huh.
734. # [06:14] <philor> yeah, I think they might be printing that even in green ones, haven't really looked
735. # [06:14] <qDot> Man, this is a good time all around.
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758. # [06:33] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/6922ed98876a - Ehsan Akhgari - Bug 851603 - Enable Web Audio in Nightly; r=roc
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773. # [06:43] <qDot> Wheeee webaudio is in!
774. # [06:44] <JonathanS> qDot, not in m-c
775. # [06:44] <qDot> JonathanS: m-i is close enough.
776. # [06:45] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/3a1ab4d11513 - Daniel Holbert - Bug 851607: Make nsFlexContainerFrame::Reflow reflow its children unconditionally. r=dbaron
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817. # [07:37] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/f4beba4909b0 - Frank Yan - Bug 848150 - Update about:home favicons and Google search engine icon. r=dolske ui-r=shorlander ui-r=limi
818. # [07:37] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/1666ca9b946b - Frank Yan - Bug 848150 - Update icon data url in Google search plugin test. a=test-only
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832. # [08:08] <philor> gee, I wonder who wrote this failing test that makes sure Web Audio is preffed off?
833. # [08:09] <KWierso|Home> wasn'
834. # [08:09] <KWierso|Home> t me
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836. # [08:11] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/18c542deba74 - Phil Ringnalda - Back out 6922ed98876a (bug 851603) for failing a test it should have removed
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838. # [08:16] <Ms2ger> Bonjour
839. # [08:16] <KWierso|Home> and that's my cue to go grab my laundry :)
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841. # [08:25] <Ms2ger> reuben--
842. # [08:25] <reuben> boo
843. # [08:25] <reuben> what did I do
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846. # [08:26] <Ms2ger> Bug 837865
847. # [08:26] * Ms2ger waves at philor
848. # [08:27] <philor> morning
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850. # [08:27] <reuben> uh… okay
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854. # [08:30] <reuben> oooh, I see. hehehehe
855. # [08:30] <philor> test_input_range_mouse_and_touch_events.html | Assertion count 2 is greater than expected range 0-0 assertions
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925. # [10:50] <nrc> to copy the minimum I need to run Firefox from by obj directory, do I need all of dist or just dist/bin?
926. # [10:51] <nrc> from *my
927. # [10:52] <Unfocused> just dist/bin
928. # [10:53] <nrc> thanks Unfocused!
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930. # [10:55] <Ms2ger> Or ./mach package?
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933. # [10:58] <nrc> Ms2ger: I want to do it myself, inspired to get my hands dirty
934. # [10:58] <nrc> thanks though :-)
935. # [10:58] <Ms2ger> Np
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941. # [11:07] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/1456c01ca2b8 - Ms2ger - Merge backout on a CLOSED TREE.
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994. # [12:58] <froydnj> grrr, CLOSED TREE
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998. # [13:03] <evilpie> interesting is the webvtt specification really that large?
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1039. # [13:50] <@smaug> ahaa, permission management UI is nicely very inconsistent
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1042. # [13:53] <Optimizer> and aha, you opened it by typing its full url!
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1047. # [13:56] <@smaug> so, in page info -> permissions one can have Always Ask on the left or right
1048. # [13:57] <@smaug> what is the difference having it left vs. use default + always ask
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1051. # [14:00] <Optimizer> I have it on left
1052. # [14:03] <@smaug> perhaps adding permission checks is on purpose made as complicated as possible, so that we don't add them too often :)
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1076. # [14:40] <srishti> bz can you take a look at this function http://pastebin.mozilla.org/2221244
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1084. # [14:53] <wg9s> hmm
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1101. # [15:16] <annevk> Why does MozillaWiki not use Persona?
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1106. # [15:21] <KaiRo> annevk: probably because nobody has integrated a Persona module for MediaWiki yet (if it even exists yet)
1107. # [15:22] <KaiRo> we definitely should, though
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1109. # [15:22] <annevk> Could someone maybe change the email address for User:Anne on MozillaWiki to annevk@annevk.nl so I can successfully do a password reset?
1110. # [15:22] <KaiRo> rolling out Persona login to all our properties is still an ongoing process
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1113. # [15:23] <annevk> I see
1114. # [15:23] <annevk> I can also create a new account, but it seems better to fragment less...
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1122. # [15:30] <KaiRo> annevk: from all I can gather, you need to file a bug for that, as this seems to need direct DB manipulation
1123. # [15:30] <annevk> I see, I'll create annevk then :-)
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1125. # [15:31] <KaiRo> with my account that AFAIK is an admin, I can block users, but that's all
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1128. # [15:31] <KaiRo> annevk: looks like there is a mediawiki add-on that would allow that stuff, but I guess we have not installed that
1129. # [15:33] <annevk> KaiRo: can you add User:Annevk to the list of people that can make edits?
1130. # [15:33] <annevk> KaiRo: I'll just link to my old account from there
1131. # [15:34] <annevk> Oh, had to confirm email
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1141. # [15:43] <KaiRo> annevk: yes, AFAIK, you always should be able to make edits once your account is confirmed
1142. # [15:43] <KaiRo> (unless you're blocked)
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1148. # [15:46] <annevk> Thanks for the help
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1222. # [17:32] <@smaug> this is so silly...
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1224. # [17:34] <vlad> anyone know how to debug nightly not finding updates?
1225. # [17:35] <@smaug> gavin: ping
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1234. # [17:47] <philor> this is a fine kettle of rotten fish heads
1235. # [17:47] <philor> we're closed for two load-related things, which of course don't show when it's Saturday and closed trees kill all the load
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1237. # [17:49] <vlad> philor: huh; why now?
1238. # [17:49] <vlad> rather, what changed to cause the load issues to start showing up?
1239. # [17:50] <vlad> oh i see
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1242. # [17:51] <philor> the ec2 one is the bestest, since it's "you'll fail if some job just finished before your job"
1243. # [17:52] <philor> Ms2ger: thanks for all the backouts :)
1244. # [17:52] <Ms2ger> Always happy to :)
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1261. # [18:08] <@smaug> this can't go well
1262. # [18:08] * @smaug is hacking chrome js
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1264. # [18:09] <WeirdAl> what, smaug?
1265. # [18:09] <philor> at least you haven't touched the XUL. yet.
1266. # [18:09] <WeirdAl> (I have a couple hours to kill)
1267. # [18:10] <@smaug> philor: oh, I have
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1269. # [18:10] <@smaug> WeirdAl: trying to add a permission check
1270. # [18:11] * WeirdAl blinks :|
1271. # [18:11] <@smaug> apparently one needs to hack 5-10 chrome js/XUL/dtd/properies file to a
1272. # [18:11] <@smaug> dd a new permission check
1273. # [18:11] <WeirdAl> lovely
1274. # [18:11] <@smaug> and totally copy paste code all the time
1275. # [18:12] <WeirdAl> sounds like permission checks need a jsm
1276. # [18:12] <WeirdAl> -- how many are there?
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1278. # [18:13] <WeirdAl> (checks, I mean)
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1280. # [18:14] <@smaug> WeirdAl: geolocation, webrtc, some indexeddb...
1281. # [18:14] <@smaug> and all actually do something different
1282. # [18:14] <@smaug> oh, there is also fullscreen
1283. # [18:14] <@smaug> and some plugin stuff
1284. # [18:14] <WeirdAl> yeah, at that point we really should look into consolidating common code somehow
1285. # [18:15] <WeirdAl> it's one of the reasons I'm working on a tree views module
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1287. # [18:15] <WeirdAl> but then I'm just repeating the obvious
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1314. # [18:39] <Optimizer> if in browser chrome , I use a css media query and I want it to use the size of the window element where the style is applied, is it possible ?
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1325. # [18:45] <NeilAway> smaug: how does the permission manager in this addon compare? https://addons.mozilla.org/addon/162068/
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1328. # [18:49] <NeilAway> hmm, build still running after 24 hours?
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1340. # [18:54] <philor> we have things that pretend to have been running for 12 days, 24 hours is nothing
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1351. # [19:00] <@smaug> NeilAway: dunno. The APIs we have are ok, and UI looks ok too, but just adding anything new is awkward
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1353. # [19:02] * @smaug admits adding event interface implementations used to be at least as horrible
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1389. # [19:39] <@gavin> smaug: pong
1390. # [19:39] <@smaug> gavin: hmm, nm
1391. # [19:39] <@gavin> heh ok
1392. # [19:39] <@smaug> I think I found all the places I need to change in order to add a new permission check
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1396. # [19:40] <@gavin> smaug: what do you mean by "permission check"?
1397. # [19:41] <@smaug> gavin: something like the check you get with geolocation
1398. # [19:41] <@smaug> or webrtc etc
1399. # [19:42] <@gavin> I still don't know what you mean by "check"
1400. # [19:42] <@gavin> you mean UI for managing permissions/doorhangers?
1401. # [19:42] <@smaug> gavin: I mean the whole thing... how in C++ we can check/ask for a permission
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1403. # [19:43] <@smaug> and get the doorhanger shown to user
1404. # [19:43] <@smaug> and show the permission in the page info
1405. # [19:43] <@smaug> way more complicated than I expected
1406. # [19:43] <@gavin> yeah, there's no great all-encompassing mechanism for that
1407. # [19:44] <@smaug> implementing the feature (non-fullscreen pointer lock) is trivial comparing to this permission handling
1408. # [19:44] <vlad> anyone know how to kill off today's nightly builds?
1409. # [19:44] <@gavin> about:permissions was supposed to help, but we didn't finish it and so the problem kind of became worse
1410. # [19:44] <vlad> they are super crashy due to the json issue
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1419. # [19:53] <philor> vlad: one of two things - file a bug in mozilla.org: releng, "disable updates to 2013-03-16 for mozilla-central", or, just back it out, CLOSED TREE, babysit the tests which will fail and fail, and trigger new nightlies on the backout through self-serve
1420. # [19:54] <philor> or perhaps the tests won't fail much, since it'll be the only thing running
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1422. # [19:54] <vlad> so the second thing sounds like a lot of effort
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1447. # [20:18] <@bsmedberg> Argh, fog is causing me to arrive in Paris 8 hours late and spend way too much time in airports.
1448. # [20:18] <WeirdAl> tbsaunde: ping
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1450. # [20:19] * WeirdAl is considering removing all nsISupportsArray usage from layout/xul/tree and replacing it with nsAtomList or something like it
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1452. # [20:20] <WeirdAl> our current use of nsISupportsArray is... overkill
1453. # [20:20] <WeirdAl> even nsCOMArray<nsIAtom> would be smarter
1454. # [20:21] <seth> does anyone know how i can get the width of scrollbars on the current platform without needing to run layout?
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1456. # [20:21] <WeirdAl> nsAtomList would be ideal
1457. # [20:23] <@smaug> WeirdAl: nsTArray<nsCOMPtr<nsIAtom> >
1458. # [20:23] <WeirdAl> that'd work too :)
1459. # [20:23] <@smaug> seth: someone just added a helper method to nsIDOMWindowUtils, IIRC
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1462. # [20:24] <seth> smaug: super! thanks
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1484. # [20:42] <we11ington> Does anybody know why attempting to log into Persona never fails to crash the browser?
1485. # [20:42] <we11ington> Segmentation fault: 11
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1487. # [20:42] <we11ington> (On a very recent nightly build)
1488. # [20:43] <tbsaunde> WeirdAl: hey
1489. # [20:43] <@bsmedberg> we11ington: did you submit a crash report?
1490. # [20:43] <we11ington> bsmedberg: Not yet, I'mma go try again
1491. # [20:43] <we11ington> bsmedberg: Appears to have been one of the add ons, it worked in safe mode
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1493. # [20:44] <we11ington> DOM inspector, Firebug, and Gecko Profiler are the only ones I had
1494. # [20:44] <WeirdAl> hi tbsaunde - see above @ 12:23
1495. # [20:44] <WeirdAl> about 15 lines up
1496. # [20:44] <WeirdAl> any opinion?
1497. # [20:44] <tbsaunde> WeirdAl: afaik the only thing left is mScratchArray which I wanted to make not a member at the same time
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1501. # [20:45] <tbsaunde> WeirdAl: but I have no objection if you do it :)
1502. # [20:45] <WeirdAl> well, replacing it with a nsCOMArray<nsIAtom> should be safe enough. Making it a non-member I'd rather do in a separate patch
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1505. # [20:46] <tbsaunde> WeirdAl: I'm not honestly clear why we need an array there at all
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1507. # [20:46] <WeirdAl> I don't think we do
1508. # [20:47] <WeirdAl> but I'm taking this incrementally :)
1509. # [20:47] <tbsaunde> WeirdAl: I think you could just store the string and try to find the atom in that
1510. # [20:47] <WeirdAl> it's used in nsTreeStyleCache::GetStyleContext
1511. # [20:47] <tbsaunde> WeirdAl: yeah, I know
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1515. # [20:48] <tbsaunde> WeirdAl: so even if you do it incrementally I'd suggest going to storing a string first, but its not my code and I don't really care much
1516. # [20:48] <WeirdAl> I'll file a bug and assign to myself... I need something to do over the weekend ;)
1517. # [20:49] <tbsaunde> tbh the reason I left the nsISupportsArray is I care more about killing the public uses of it so we can atleast make it noscript
1518. # [20:49] <tbsaunde> WeirdAl: sounds good
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1521. # [20:51] <WeirdAl> tbsaunde: who'd be good to review?
1522. # [20:53] <tbsaunde> WeirdAl: I'd think roc / bz?
1523. # [20:53] <WeirdAl> thanks
1524. # [20:54] <WeirdAl> all right, I gotta go... I have a train to catch
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1566. # [21:54] <seth> wow
1567. # [21:55] <seth> i think i just set a new record for number of assertions fired while still passing tests
1568. # [21:55] <seth> 80 from a single test alone
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1572. # [22:01] <Jesse> seth: your test harness has an odd sense of what it means for a test to "pass"
1573. # [22:01] <seth> Jesse: reftests, like beauty, are only skin deep
1574. # [22:02] <Ms2ger> Heh
1575. # [22:03] <Ms2ger> The WebRTC tests easily get up to 400
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1589. # [22:14] <bhackett> ehsan, philor|away, anyone: can inbound be reopened?
1590. # [22:14] <@ehsan> bhackett: ask rail but I don't think so :(
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1592. # [22:14] <bhackett> ehsan: what's the problem?
1593. # [22:14] <bhackett> ehsan: I have a small patch for a topcrash I need to push
1594. # [22:15] <@gavin> see treestatus?
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1596. # [22:15] <bhackett> gavin: I see stuff about timeouts but it looks like they were retriggered on inbound and worked the second time
1597. # [22:16] <@ehsan> bhackett: there are two bug numbers linked to in the tree status
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1599. # [22:16] <WeirdAl> wifi on a train is pretty cool
1600. # [22:17] * mattwoodrow|away is now known as mattwoodrow
1601. # [22:17] <WeirdAl> and porting from nsISupportsArray to nsCOMArray was surprisingly easy
1602. # [22:18] <bhackett> ehsan: one looks fixed, the other one doesn't look like it's affecting inbound
1603. # [22:18] <Ms2ger> bhackett, they will probably come back as soon as you get any load
1604. # [22:19] <bhackett> Ms2ger: well, it's saturday
1605. # [22:19] <bhackett> I'm trying to do some work
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1607. # [22:19] <Ms2ger> You're not alone
1608. # [22:20] <NeilAway> smaug: nah, nsCOMArray<nsIAtom> would be better than nsTArray
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1610. # [22:20] <@ehsan> bhackett: I also have patches that I want to land, but I'm not sure what the status of those bugs is
1611. # [22:21] <@ehsan> bhackett: I asked a while ago on #releng whether it's reasonable to expect the trees to be reopened before monday
1612. # [22:21] <@ehsan> and the answer was probably not
1613. # [22:21] <bhackett> ok
1614. # [22:21] * @dolske hopes bhackett is trying to land the fixes for the super-crashy nightly. :)
1615. # [22:21] <bhackett> dolske: yes, I am
1616. # [22:22] <WeirdAl> super-crashy nightly? Now he tells me :p
1617. # [22:22] <@dolske> vlad was grumbling too, we should seriously consider taking them even if the tree is closed
1618. # [22:22] <bhackett> it's a simple fix
1619. # [22:23] <bhackett> who should I talk to about just pushing it anyways
1620. # [22:23] <JonathanS> WeirdAl it was JSON bugs checked in
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1622. # [22:23] <NeilAway> WeirdAl: I could look at that nsISupportsArray patch too if you like
1623. # [22:23] <Ms2ger> bhackett, philor|away, RyanVM or edmorley
1624. # [22:24] <@ehsan> bhackett: ask on #releng, but you shouldn't land on a closed tree without knowing what the implications are
1625. # [22:24] <WeirdAl> NeilAway: I'd appreciate that... I'm building now on a Macbook to see if it at least compiles
1626. # [22:24] <@ehsan> I'm not sure what the current status is
1627. # [22:24] <WeirdAl> NeilAway: frankly I'm much more concerned about custom tree views losing twisty icons.
1628. # [22:24] <JonathanS> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=851806 super-crash-happy
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1631. # [22:26] <WeirdAl> NeilAway: bug 849534
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1634. # [22:29] <vlad> ehsan: I think the current status is mainly that while things are still "moving", fetches from http://ftp.m.o are still dying more often than not
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1636. # [22:29] <vlad> so we can take patches, we just can't reliably continue development because we have no idea what coverage/builds we'll get
1637. # [22:30] <bhackett> vlad: so can I push this patch?
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1640. # [22:33] <@ehsan> bhackett: even if you patch to inbound, I don't expect anybody to want to merge inbound to central when the tree looks like this :/
1641. # [22:33] <@ehsan> which means that the fix will not appear in Nightly
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1644. # [22:38] <vlad> bhackett: you're probably better off pushing a backout direct to m-c, actually
1645. # [22:38] <vlad> and just repushing everything together once things aren't a mess
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1647. # [22:38] <bhackett> vlad: ok
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1665. # [22:54] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/6d587302645a - Brian Hackett - Backout 04695ce03bb6 (bug 836968) for topcrashing on a CLOSED TREE
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1672. # [23:06] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/6d587302645a - Brian Hackett - Backout 04695ce03bb6 (bug 836968) for topcrashing on a CLOSED TREE
1673. # [23:06] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/0b052daa913c - Phil Ringnalda - Merge inbound and m-c
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1678. # [23:09] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/85f522534c5a - Drew Willcoxon - Bug 829456 - Update browser-fullZoom.js to use nsIContentPrefService2. r=mak
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1680. # [23:11] <bhackett> argh
1681. # [23:11] <bhackett> philor: ping
1682. # [23:11] <philor> bhackett: pong
1683. # [23:12] <bhackett> philor: what is the state of the bugs why inbound was closed earlier?
1684. # [23:12] <bhackett> philor: I'm wondering if I can backout the backout I just did and push the proper fix
1685. # [23:12] <philor> bhackett: of course, inbound's open
1686. # [23:12] <bhackett> ok
1687. # [23:13] <philor> he said with a blank look of innocence, trying to hide the fact that he wants as many pushes as possible going hoping to demonstrate that one or both still exist if they do
1688. # [23:14] <philor> of course, since the crashing code is apparently untested, good luck knowing whether or not you fix it :)
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1691. # [23:16] <kaie> is it possible to do a try build for the esr17 branch?
1692. # [23:17] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/3648f5fa5787 - Jonathan Watt - Bug 851090 - Make <input type=range> fire change/input events as appropriate. r=mounir.
1693. # [23:18] <@gavin> kaie: not really
1694. # [23:18] <kaie> gavin, ok no problem, thx
1695. # [23:18] <@gavin> it may work, if the configs since 17 haven't changed significantly
1696. # [23:18] <philor> depends on your tolerance for bustage
1697. # [23:18] <kaie> well, just double checking, so nobody will blame me for not having tried, if I break the build
1698. # [23:19] <philor> esr17 switch to mock for Linux builds, so they might work now
1699. # [23:19] <kaie> philor, latest checkin indicates mock support got backed out
1700. # [23:19] <philor> Windows... dunno if 17 did pymake
1701. # [23:20] <kaie> I'll just do a local build, and if that works, it should be fine. Will upgrade NSPR from 4.9.2 to 4.9.5, and NSS from 3.13.6 to 3.14.3
1702. # [23:20] <philor> kaie: that was a backout from the relbranches
1703. # [23:20] <kaie> ah ok
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1709. # [23:24] <philor> imelven: want to resolve your bug 849791 for me? just merged it to m-c, but I don't have access
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1712. # [23:29] <JosiahOne> Does Markus Stange use IRC?
1713. # [23:30] <nrc> Can someone help me with .so files? I have moved the dist/bin directory to another computer, but trying to run Firefox gives me an error about a missing libxul.so, which is not surprising becaus eit si a simlink to toolkit/library/libxul.so. But, that file is 700mb, so I assume we don't usually distribute that. What do I need?
1714. # [23:31] <nrc> Or perhaps would it be much smaller without debug info?
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1717. # [23:33] <philor> !seen mstange
1718. # [23:34] <firebot> mstange was last seen 81 weeks, 2 days, 3 hours, 37 minutes and 9 seconds ago,
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1720. # [23:34] <JosiahOne> Guess not.
1721. # [23:34] <JosiahOne> Thanks philor.
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1725. # [23:37] <philor> seems strange not having killer remind us that he's never seen anyone and that's just the way he likes it
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1731. # [23:44] <edmorley> philor: how long do you give it before we end up closing again? :-)
1732. # [23:44] <edmorley> philor: and howdy!
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1734. # [23:44] <philor> edmorley: depends, do you mean before we end up closing for infra, or for bustage?
1735. # [23:45] <philor> for bustage, the way to bet is "three pushes, not counting how many land after the third"
1736. # [23:45] <edmorley> well the former, but I guess either is on the cards :-)
1737. # [23:45] <philor> what's the param to tell m-cMerge that you want it to pick up where it stalled out?
1738. # [23:45] <philor> or did I dream that, and that's why I can't find mail about it?
1739. # [23:47] <edmorley> philor: I have http://pastebin.mozilla.org/2221912
1740. # [23:47] <philor> oh, nevermind, it's doing the right thing, I just didn't realize it was showing me all the things it wasn't going to comment on because it already had
1741. # [23:48] <philor> yep, thanks, that was what I guessed it would be, but I didn't realize it would still show the ones it knew it had already done, with comment and resolve unchecked
1742. # [23:48] <edmorley> ah
1743. # [23:48] <edmorley> I've not yet had cause to use it
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1745. # [23:49] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/29fdd1949b09 - Brian Hackett - Bug 836968 - Cache shapes for JSON objects and assign types to constructed JSON objects and arrays, r=waldo,jandem.
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