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# Session Start: Sat Apr 06 00:00:00 2013
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# [00:00] <mjrosenb> try pushes should never need clobbers, correct?
# [00:00] <tbsaunde> mjrosenb: wel, they are always clobbbbers
# [00:01] <mjrosenb> tbsaunde: right.
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# [00:04] <tbsaunde> mjrosenb: so clobbering them again doesn't make any sense ;)
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# [00:07] <mjrosenb> is it possible for me to look at the files that try attempted to build?
# [00:07] <mjrosenb> oh yes.
# [00:08] <mjrosenb> the hg.mozilla.org link.
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# [00:10] <mjrosenb> oh, this is broken on no-ion builds?
# [00:10] <mjrosenb> wtf?
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# [00:11] <mjrosenb> and win7
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# [00:11] <mjrosenb> e:/builds/moz2_slave/try-w32-0000000000000000000000/build/js/src/ion/VMFunctions.cpp(55) : error C3861: 'optimize': identifier not found
# [00:11] <mjrosenb> e:/builds/moz2_slave/try-w32-0000000000000000000000/build/js/src/ion/VMFunctions.cpp(57) : error C2448: '__attribute__' : function-style initializer appears to be a function definition
# [00:12] <mjrosenb> those are errors on lines 55 and 57, yes?
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# [00:13] <dholbert> mjrosenb, correct
# [00:13] <mjrosenb> ahh.
# [00:13] <mjrosenb> I should look at vmfunctions.cpp
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# [00:14] <mjrosenb> not valuenumbering.cpp
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# [00:16] <mjrosenb> anyone remember what the macro that I need to check for for b2g is?
# [00:16] <mjrosenb> e.g. I need to do something both on android and b2g.
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# [00:17] * mjrosenb guesses __B2G__ with a runner-up of __MOZ_B2G__
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# [00:18] <mjrosenb> blast
# [00:18] <mjrosenb> foiled on both accounts
# [00:18] <Luqman> there's MOZ_WIDGET_GONK
# [00:18] <mjrosenb> MOZ_B2G
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# [00:24] <wg9s> tbsaunde: because you are not supposed to be adding code with warnings.
# [00:24] <wg9s> this is how it should be.
# [00:25] <@dolske> meanwhile, back in the real world...
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# [00:28] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/1d77d2aaabf9 - Jonathan Griffin - Bug 853188 - Use the url and line number passed to window.onerror, r=mdas
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# [00:29] <mjrosenb> wg9s: sadly, the parts of JSC that I need to include are littered with warnings.
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# [00:30] <@dbaron> mjrosenb, is ANDROID defined for both android and b2g?
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# [00:30] <wg9s> mjrosenb: I beleve there is a way if you put this stuff all in a seperate directory to exclue that directory form the fail on warning. someone else here probably knows how to do that.
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# [00:42] <mjrosenb> dbaron: don't know. __ANDROID__ is not.
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# [00:43] <@dbaron> mjrosenb, we explicitly put -DANDROID in CPPFLAGS (though not CFLAGS, looks like) for b2g
# [00:43] <@dbaron> mjrosenb, oh, and we also AC_DEFINE it, so it should be good
# [00:45] <mjrosenb> dbaron: cool, that makes my life easier.
# [00:45] <mjrosenb> dbaron: thanks!
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# [00:46] <mjrosenb> re-tries
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# [01:07] <mjrosenb> dbaron: try seems to disagree with you: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=21491650&tree=Try
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# [01:12] <mhaigh> Can someone help me out with an hg problem? I'm following https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Developer_Guide/Landing_a_patch but getting this error:
# [01:12] <mhaigh> ~/Mozilla/inbound % hg strip --no-backup 'roots(outgoing())'
# [01:12] <mhaigh> abort: empty revision set
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# [01:13] <jwir3> mhaigh: Why are you trying to strip a revision?
# [01:14] <@dolske> somewhat surprisingly, that's what the page says to do
# [01:14] <mhaigh> just cloned the Moz-central hg repo - that link describes steps to follow - I'm just following them
# [01:14] <@gavin> mhaigh: if you get that error, you can just skip that set
# [01:14] <jwir3> mahigh: Oh, you are trying to clone a copy of m-c into m-i
# [01:14] <@gavin> (means you have no outgoing changes to strip)
# [01:14] <@gavin> "skip that command", I mean
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# [01:15] <jwir3> dolske: Guh. That's weird. It seems unlikely that someone would have outgoing csets if they are on the wiki page for how to land a patch
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# [01:15] <@gavin> yeah
# [01:15] <mhaigh> cool :) Is this the best resource to help me understand how to land my first patch?
# [01:16] <@dolske> that page should probably just talk about how to clone m-i, and shift the fancy stuff to an advanced "optimizing your workflow" page somewhere.
# [01:16] <jwir3> mhaigh: Well, to tell you the truth, what I did was just clone mozilla-inbound directly from https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/Mozilla-inbound
# [01:16] <@dolske> mhaigh: do you have commit access?
# [01:16] <jwir3> mhaigh: But, I suppose that works ok, too. The really important step is the one labeled "make Mozilla-Inbound push compatible"
# [01:16] <mhaigh> dolske: yeah :)
# [01:17] <@dolske> ok, figured I'd ask to be sure :)
# [01:17] <mhaigh> jwir3 - yeah, this step is just to prevent you having to download it all from the server again, right?
# [01:17] <jwir3> mhaigh: yes
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# [01:18] <jwir3> mhaigh: One thing that I do, since 'qpush' and 'push' are only one character different, is I make my push command 'hg inbound' instead of 'hg push'
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# [01:18] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/23c638395987 - Daniel Holbert - Bug 473236, 2013 edition, part 2: Remove executable bit from any png files that are incorrectly marked as executable, tree-wide. DONTBUILD
# [01:19] <jwir3> mhaigh: ok, now, thanks to dholbert, you're going to need to rebase before pushing.
# [01:19] <jwir3> :D
# [01:19] <@gavin> hg transplant is a useful alternative to qimport for landing things
# [01:19] <dholbert> mhaigh, sorry! :)
# [01:19] <@gavin> that way you can use --filter to edit the commit message, and then you don'thave to qfinish
# [01:19] <mhaigh> jwir3 & dholbert: grrr
# [01:19] <jwir3> mhaigh: hg qpop -a; hg pull; hg update; hg qpush; hg qfin -a
# [01:19] <dholbert> mhaigh, good skill to learn :)
# [01:19] <jwir3> :)
# [01:19] <dholbert> if you haven't qfinished yet, it's super-easy
# [01:20] <dholbert> if you have, it's still not too bad
# [01:20] <mhaigh> so - I'm a hg noob and this is a lot to take in!!
# [01:20] <jwir3> mhaigh: It gets easier. Practice, practice. :)
# [01:21] <mhaigh> OK - thanks for your help - I'm going to try and ingest some of this
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# [01:22] <mhaigh> gavin: can you explain the transplant / qimport / qfinish comments?
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# [01:25] <jwir3> mhaigh: I don't know what transplant is, but qimport takes a changeset that is already committed locally and changes it into a patch
# [01:26] <jwir3> mhaigh: Basically, hg has commits, which are changes in the source tree, and patches, which are like commits, but they aren't finalized yet. Basically, they are diff files that can be reordered on your local working directory
# [01:26] <jwir3> mhaigh: qfinish does the opposite - it converts patches to actual commits in your working copy.
# [01:27] <mhaigh> jwir3: hm - ok. I think I'm going to need to read up on those a bit. :)
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# [01:34] <mhaigh> sorry for the noob questions - when creating a patch using hg qnew - the name I enter is just for my reference, or will that hold any significance once I submit it?
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# [01:37] <derf> Just for your reference.
# [01:37] <mhaigh> thanks
# [01:37] <seth> mhaigh: it's just for your reference but it is possible for others to see (it'll be the filename of the patch you upload to bugzilla) so i wouldn't include your plans to overthrow the government or anything
# [01:38] <mhaigh> how did you know about those plans!?
# [01:38] <seth> we have eyes and ears everywhere
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# [01:39] <Mossop> seth: Depends how you upload the patch to bugzilla. Default hg only has 3 lines of context in your mq patch which isn't enough for review purposes generally. I tend to use qdiff and set that to give more lines of context to create patches for bugzilla
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# [01:40] <seth> Mossop: i tend to use bzexport =) you can set hg to provide more context, of course
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# [01:41] <Mossop> You can, the hg devs recommend against it though as it increases your changes of conflicts when applying patches
# [01:41] <@gavin> it's never been a problem for me in practice
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# [01:43] <mhaigh> ah - I've just run 'hg qfinish -a' and realised that I've applied my patch without a commit message - are there any guidelines for commit messages? if so, any way I can retrospectively apply one?
# [01:43] <seth> mhaigh: hg commit --amend
# [01:44] <dholbert> mhaigh, or better (in case there are other changes you need to do): hg qimport -r tip --name whatever.patch
# [01:44] <seth> mhaigh: i generally use "Bug XXXXXX (Part N) - Short description. r=reviewer"
# [01:44] <dholbert> (and then "hg qref -e" to edit the commit message in an editor)
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# [01:45] <seth> i dispute that that's better if all you need to do is change the commit message =)
# [01:45] <seth> mercurial's workflow around this kind of thing generally kinda sucks
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# [01:46] <dholbert> sorry -- unstated major premise: by the time you edit the commit message, someone else will have already pushed to m-i, and you'll have to rebase :)
# [01:46] <jmammal> mercurial has...little workflow (as does git), per se
# [01:46] <seth> dholbert: always do "hg pull --rebase" =)
# [01:46] <mhaigh> sounds difficult!
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# [01:46] <mjrosenb> dholbert: this is why you should push a 0300 PST!
# [01:47] <mhaigh> how do i work out who my reviewer is?
# [01:47] <seth> mhaigh: welcome to the world of distributed version control
# [01:47] <mhaigh> seth: using git on a small project with only one developer was much easier!
# [01:47] <dholbert> seth, (yeah... I'm told that works, but rebase is still too magic for my tastes. :) I prefer the mechanics of qpop / pull -u / qpush)
# [01:47] <seth> mhaigh: work out what module your patch affects, then look at this page (which you should bookmark): https://wiki.mozilla.org/Modules/Core
# [01:48] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/1b0d2a0323d1 - Margaret Leibovic - Bug 856369 - Fix typo in WebrtcUI script load. r=mfinkle
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# [01:48] <seth> mhaigh: you can request review from an owner or a peer
# [01:48] <seth> mhaigh: also good, if you're changing code, is to request review from the person that wrote it
# [01:48] <NeilAway> mounir: those file inputs look terrible :-(
# [01:48] <mjrosenb> dholbert: I would be much happier if qpush failing had the option to open a merge tool.
# [01:48] <dholbert> mhaigh, (also: if you don't have a reviewer yet, then you probably don't want to have qfinished yet. qfinish is for when your patch is reviewed and your patch is ready to be checked in)
# [01:49] <seth> dholbert: years of using git have led me to be perhaps a bit too cavalier about rebasing =)
# [01:49] <dholbert> mhaigh, (doesn't really matter, because it's a local operation, but it's the last step before you actually check it in)
# [01:49] <dholbert> seth, infidel! your mind has been poisoned
# [01:49] <dholbert> :)
# [01:49] <seth> i've seen things you can't unsee =)
# [01:50] <NeilAway> hmm, there's no hg commit --amend -D
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# [01:53] <mhaigh> seth - how do i work out which module code I'm changing? I've edited on file - /mobile/android/chrome/content/browser.js - but can't find reference to anything which looks linked on that url you provided
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# [01:56] <seth> mhaigh: i'm not totally sure for that file. you can always ask on IRC or try requesting review from someone that probably knows who the real reviewer should be (maybe brad lassey in this case) if all else fails
# [01:56] <@gavin> mhaigh: seth is just focused too much on core stuff :) https://wiki.mozilla.org/Modules/All is the global list
# [01:56] <dholbert> mhaigh, "hg log --limit 10 [filename]" will give you the last 10 commits to have changed the file
# [01:56] <mhaigh> ah ha - nice. thank you for all your help!
# [01:56] <seth> gavin: ah, good point! that's a better list
# [01:56] <dholbert> mhaigh, which will have bug numbers (which can give you hints about module, if you look at the bug pages) and possible-reviewers (from the author/reviewer)
# [01:56] <@gavin> mhaigh: that file is part of https://wiki.mozilla.org/Modules/All#Fennec
# [01:57] <@gavin> whose information is out of date - I'll fix!
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# [02:01] <mhaigh> alright - almost there - I've just edited my commit message, but the roundabout way of getting there has me a bit more confused. My bash history looks like this - what should I be doing next?
# [02:01] <mhaigh> 745 00:39 > hg qimport ../src/.hg/patches/793747
# [02:01] <mhaigh> 746 00:39 > hg qpush --move 793747
# [02:01] <mhaigh> 747 00:40 > hg qfinish -a
# [02:01] <mhaigh> 748 00:43 > hg qimport -r tip --name 793747
# [02:01] <mhaigh> 749 00:43 > hg qref -e
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# [02:02] <dholbert> mhaigh, you should never need to qimport from .hg/patches
# [02:02] <dholbert> mhaigh, qimport takes a patch that you have somewhere else on your computer, and sticks it *into* .hg/patches
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# [02:02] <mjrosenb> is the trychooser out of date?
# [02:03] <mhaigh> sorry - context! I originally started working off https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Developer_Guide/Landing_a_patch - so I have a src directory and an incoming directory
# [02:03] <mjrosenb> dholbert: unless he has a separate hg repository inside of src, thah he's importing it from.
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# [02:03] <dholbert> ah, ok
# [02:03] <mhaigh> I grabbed the patch from src into incoming
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# [02:03] <mhaigh> the commands listed were all executed in the incoming dir
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# [02:04] <mhaigh> sorry - inbound, not incoming
# [02:04] <dholbert> yup
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# [02:04] <@gavin> mhaigh: fwiw lines 747/748 cancel each other out
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# [02:05] <@gavin> mhaigh: generally, to push, the next steps would be "hg qfin" and then "hg push"
# [02:05] <mjrosenb> gavin: hg qfin -a
# [02:06] <mhaigh> ok - so if I 'hg qfin -a' then 'hg push' I'll be good?
# [02:06] <@gavin> I always thought it was dumb that qfin didn't have a better default behavior
# [02:06] <@gavin> mhaigh: yeah
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# [02:06] <dholbert> mhaigh, has your patch been reviewed?
# [02:07] <mhaigh> no - it need reviewing
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# [02:07] <dholbert> mhaigh, then definitely don't hg qfin -a and hg push until that happens :)
# [02:07] <dholbert> but hypothetically, if it had been reviewed
# [02:07] <dholbert> then that's what you would do to check it in
# [02:07] <mhaigh> argh - I just did
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# [02:07] <@gavin> to which repository?
# [02:07] <mhaigh> inbound
# [02:07] <tbsaunde> gavin: if I only had a dollar for every dumb default mercurial has :/
# [02:08] <dholbert> mhaigh, I don't see it at https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Mozilla-Inbound ...
# [02:08] <@gavin> I don't see any pushes to inbound
# [02:08] <dholbert> mhaigh, what was the output when you pushed?
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# [02:08] <dholbert> mhaigh, I sort of suspect the push failed, because there are a number of ways your push can fail the first time you push
# [02:08] <mhaigh> ah yeah - it was aborted!
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# [02:08] <dholbert> good :)
# [02:08] <@gavin> actually, looks like you only have level 1 access
# [02:08] <@gavin> so you can't push to inbound
# [02:09] <dholbert> I was starting to wonder... yeah, it takes a little while / a little experience to get level 3 access
# [02:09] <dholbert> by the time you get level 3 access, a lot of this stuff should hopefully be a bit more internalized & clearer :)
# [02:09] <mhaigh> my bad! thought the levels were the other way around.
# [02:09] <dholbert> level 1 = try only
# [02:09] * mhaigh is a bit confused right now and also massively jet lagged!
# [02:10] <dholbert> mhaigh, https://www.mozilla.org/hacking/commit-access-policy/ has the commit access levels
# [02:10] <dholbert> mhaigh, level 1 and level 3 are the relevant ones for people working on any flavor of Firefox / Gecko
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# [02:11] <dholbert> mhaigh, note that until you have commit access, other people can and will check in your patches for you when the patches are ready
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# [02:11] <dholbert> s/commit access/level 3 commit access/
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# [02:12] <mhaigh> dholbert: ok - i'm going to follow https://wiki.mozilla.org/Build:TryServer
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# [02:13] <dholbert> mhaigh, BTW, I wouldn't recommend pushing to try from a mozilla-inbound tree -- better to do it from mozilla-central, because mozilla-central is more likely to be in a known-good state
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# [02:13] <mhaigh> ok - I should just delete the inbound folder for the moment?
# [02:13] <dholbert> mhaigh, yeah (or rename it, if there's any chance you have unsaved work there that you might've forgotten about / forgotten to back up
# [02:14] <mjrosenb> can trychooser be given a commit string?
# [02:14] <dholbert> the only reason to use a mozilla-inbound tree is if you're actually checking in a patch yourself, basically
# [02:14] <mjrosenb> dholbert: funny that, I usually push to try from m-i.
# [02:15] <dholbert> mjrosenb, that's fine, you just do so at your own risk :)
# [02:15] <dholbert> and especially for people who are starting out, arbitrary random Try oranges/reds from a busted inbound revision will be more confusing/mysterious
# [02:16] <mjrosenb> dholbert: true.
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# [02:16] <tbsaunde> dholbert: do you actually have seperate trees to push to inbound / central / whatever?
# [02:16] <dholbert> tbsaunde, yeah
# [02:16] <dholbert> tbsaunde, I do my daily development in a m-c tree
# [02:16] <tbsaunde> weird
# [02:16] <dholbert> so that I can be likely to build successfully :)
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# [02:17] <dholbert> and I share my patches directory w/ an inbound tree, and I qpush/qfin/push patches there when they're ready to land
# [02:17] <tbsaunde> dholbert: grabing a random m-i changeset almost always is good enough for my try pushes
# [02:18] <dholbert> tbsaunde, that's not surprising; m-c will just have a much higher value of "almost always" :)
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# [02:18] <tbsaunde> dholbert: that's cute, I actually just have one hg tree that knows how to pull from m-i / m-c / aurora / beta / esr
# [02:18] <mjrosenb> so what is the recommended method of getting a try message these days?
# [02:19] <dholbert> http://trychooser.pub.build.mozilla.org/ last I checked
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# [02:19] <mjrosenb> dholbert: I'm guessing I can't pass one of those string to the hg trychooser plugin?
# [02:20] <dholbert> mjrosenb, I don't use the trychooser plugin
# [02:20] <dholbert> mjrosenb, I use hg qnew trychooser -m "string"
# [02:20] <jmammal> few do, abict
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# [02:20] <dholbert> (where 'trychooser' is then the name of a patch at the top of my queue, which just exists for the sake of having the special commit message)
# [02:21] <dholbert> tbsaunde, fancy! I don't do that partly out of paranoia that I might push to the wrong tree, and inadvertantly merge m-i to m-c prematurely or something
# [02:21] <dholbert> plus disk space is cheap
# [02:21] <mjrosenb> dholbert: doesn't pushing put mercurial into a state where it won't let you pop the patch?
# [02:21] <dholbert> mjrosenb, yes, until hg.mozilla.org gets an hg update
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# [02:21] <dholbert> mjrosenb, "hg phase -f -d qbase" fixes it
# [02:22] <mjrosenb> dholbert: yeah... that is why I use trychooser
# [02:22] <dholbert> -f = force, -d = draft (the normal state of a patch)
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# [02:22] <dholbert> suit yourself :)
# [02:22] <mjrosenb> also, because I can never remember the try server's path.
# [02:22] <Luqman> you can also just make it post-push hook
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# [02:22] <dholbert> Luqman, I've been told that, but it's never worked when I've tried to set it up
# [02:22] <mjrosenb> Luqman: do tell...
# [02:22] <dholbert> and I'm not the only onne who's had that experience
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# [02:23] <seth> i couldn't get it to work either, despite multiple tries
# [02:23] <mjrosenb> yeah... this is why I like trychooser
# [02:23] <seth> (as an aside, i find it pretty useful to have a bunch of different try patches laying around in my patch queue, pre-configured for different combinations of platforms and tests. saves a lot of time)
# [02:24] <Luqman> dholbert: mjrosenb: i have [hooks]\n post-push = hg phase --force --draft "mq()" in my hgrc and it seems to work
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# [02:24] <mjrosenb> Luqman: so that applies to all places that you push to, not just try, right?
# [02:25] <Luqman> i suppose, but that's the only place i push so...
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# [02:25] <seth> yeah, i had tried to make it work for try pushes only...
# [02:25] <mjrosenb> Luqman: you *never* push to m-i?
# [02:25] <dholbert> mjrosenb, IIRC, it's also not a huge deal if you have patches in your history that are marked as draft
# [02:25] <mjrosenb> dholbert: guess so.
# [02:25] <dholbert> like, nothing will go horribly wrong
# [02:25] <tbsaunde> seth: yeah, I have ~30 patches in my queue of which atleast 15 are try<whatever>
# [02:26] <Luqman> mjrosenb: i only have level 1
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# [02:29] <Luqman> mjrosenb: https://wiki.mozilla.org/ReleaseEngineering/TryServer seems to have a solution for when doing the phase for only try
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# [02:31] <seth> Luqman: that's exactly what I didn't (and I suspect dholbert too). doesn't work
# [02:31] <seth> Luqman: maybe it did work on some previous version of mercurial
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# [02:31] <seth> sorry, that's exactly what I *tried*
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# [02:31] <dholbert> seth / Luqman, yeah, I got my attempted hook off of a wiki page, probably that one
# [02:32] <Luqman> seems like someone should edit the wiki
# [02:32] <dholbert> anyway, I've internalized hg phase -f -d qbase enough that it doesn't bother me too much :)
# [02:32] <dholbert> IIRC it had a caveat saying it may or may not work, at one point
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# [02:36] <seth> you can also just make mercurial alias to do it for you. i have "hg tryfix", which i run after "hg try"
# [02:36] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/3a9ac6eb47b5 - Shane Caraveo - bug 845151 add new service icon for social services tab in about:addons, r=markh
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# [02:39] <mjrosenb> are the otoro builds/runs hidden from tbpl?
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# [02:39] <philor> nothing is hidden from tbpl, nothing! bwahahahahahaha
# [02:40] <philor> mjrosenb: they do, however, only run on b2g18ish branches anymore
# [02:40] <seth> panoptpbl
# [02:41] <mjrosenb> p2g18ish?
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# [02:45] <mjrosenb> err, b2g18ish: I'm not entirely sure what that means
# [02:45] <mjrosenb> b2g from firefox-18 days?
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# [02:46] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/183c3d7a2c18 - David Zbarsky - Bug 857884 - Use dom::EventTarget more in content/ and dom/ r=Ms2ger
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# [02:50] <philor> also? *man* I'm jealous of the very thought of not knowing about the b2g18s
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# [03:36] <Callek> philor: hey, we're about 20-30% fail for android xpcshell, but I'm tempted to unhide them now that I filed https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=858865 (so it will suggest on next hit) -- how do you feel about that?
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# [03:37] <Callek> philor: fair
# [03:37] <Callek> its sadly an intermittent I didn't hit on cedar/staging
# [03:37] <Callek> but entirely understandable
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# [03:56] <@bz_away> is there a bug on this gl image refcounting thing?
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# [05:10] <subhasish> Mentor of this project is Jean-Yves Perrier
# [05:10] <subhasish> can anybody give me his irc nickname??
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# [06:04] <philor> someone cc me on 852134, please?
# [06:04] <Callek> philor: numero
# [06:05] <Callek> philor: done
# [06:05] <philor> thanks!
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# [06:05] <philor> ouch, and I burned a build in 3 minutes
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# [07:03] <sfink> mjrosenb: https://bitbucket.org/sfink/trychooser is up to date, or at the very least less out of date than the pbiggar one linked from http://trychooser.pub.build.mozilla.org/
# [07:04] <sfink> mjrosenb: and it also allows running with -m if you already have your try syntax string -- |hg trychooser -m 'try: -b do -p commodore64...'|
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# [07:14] <reuben> "The amount of innovation coming from Mozilla has been staggering the last year. IonMonkey, asm.js, impressive memory usage improvements (Firefox is now by far the least memory hungry browser among the modern ones), new baseline jit...Rock on, Mozilla."
# [07:14] <reuben> \o/
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# [07:16] <reuben> sad that Firefox OS is not in that list though
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# [07:18] <Callek> reuben: well FirefoxOS is a thing, but not a consumer thing yet
# [07:18] <reuben> Callek: yes, but that was on Hacker News
# [07:18] <Callek> and it won't be a US consumer thing for a LOT longer. Since we have to recognize/think about our target audience when we think about consumer level :-)
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# [07:19] <Callek> reuben: sure, but hacker news even has trouble relating as well because people who watch hacker news don't quite recognize FirefoxOS as a "thing" because (a) they haven't touched it, (b) its feature set is horrid compared to the US smartphone market atm, (c) its not even out for any consumers yet
# [07:20] <Callek> (I don't count geeksphone, since they are developer targetted phones and had limited QTY's and are completely sold out atm)
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# [07:26] <mbrubeck> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=627860
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# [08:07] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/3fd2c9248357 - Brian R. Bondy - Bug 850492. r=rstrong.
# [08:07] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/9e6fe353c9b4 - Brian R. Bondy - Bug 854088. r=rstrong.
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# [08:13] <Callek> hehe
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# [09:33] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/28b7fa5d890b - Randell Jesup - Bug 838319: don't assert() on bad STUN input credentials; accept utf8 for UTF-8 r=dmose
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# [09:37] <Ms2ger> jesup, you know that we've got two encoding libraries already, right?
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# [10:33] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/04864ed004a7 - James Willcox - Bug 858039 - Make SurfaceStream_TripleBuffer_Async use the correct SurfaceStreamType. r=jgilbert
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# [10:39] <Callek> sewardj_: ping
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# [10:39] <sewardj_> Callek: pong
# [10:40] <Callek> sewardj_: did you just (last 20 min or so) do [or attempt to do] an inbound push
# [10:40] <sewardj_> Callek: I did, yes. It failed.
# [10:40] <Callek> sewardj_: even if it was an accidental push to inbound
# [10:40] <Callek> sewardj_: do you happen to have the log/message where it failed still?
# [10:40] <sewardj_> Callek: yeah, moment
# [10:41] * Callek is tracking down a side-issue related to this, and I knew the file that screamed was "owned" by you :-)
# [10:41] <Callek> sewardj_: also what is your commit priv levels, L3?
# [10:41] <sewardj_> Callek: yes, L3
# [10:42] <sewardj_> Callek: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/2278183 was the whole sequence
# [10:42] <Callek> thanks!
# [10:42] <sewardj_> Callek: I didn't understand why it failed
# [10:43] <Callek> sewardj_: |hg heads default| should tell you at least something
# [10:43] <Callek> likely you edited/committed locally on a different head
# [10:44] <Callek> (e.g. a non-updated source checkout)
# [10:44] <Callek> and/or you pull'd without rebase
# [10:44] <Callek> at some point earlier
# [10:44] <Callek> therefore your current cset can't be rebased
# [10:44] <sewardj_> Callek: could be. I just nuked that local repo and repulled m-i
# [10:44] <Callek> that works too
# [10:45] <sewardj_> Callek: did I cause a problem, or .. ? Do I need to do anything other than re-try to land the patch?
# [10:46] <Callek> sewardj_: it caused an IT alert, but my push proved it wasn't really a problem
# [10:46] * sewardj_ mystified
# [10:46] <Callek> (its a new alert that had been flapping a lot this past week, I told IT to page me directly when it next went off since we had a theory it wasn't a "real" issue)
# [10:47] <Callek> (the alert was created to try and catch a case where people can't push to try/etc)
# [10:47] <sewardj_> Callek: can I try again to push now?
# [10:47] <Callek> yea, go ahead
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# [10:48] <sewardj_> Callek: ok, that worked
# [10:48] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/b56d762d3511 - Julian Seward - Bug 857242 - Make profiler verbosity on desktop be runtime-selectable. r=bgirard
# [10:49] <Callek> great!
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# [10:51] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/2f719ebae709 - Dave Hunt - Bug 858290 - Need to enable focusmanager.testmode for tests run against B2G desktop builds. r=jgriffin
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# [11:26] <RattyAway> who's the crash reporter expert here?
# [11:26] <RattyAway> c:/t1/hg/comm-central/mozilla/toolkit/crashreporter/client/crashreporter_win.cpp(1227) : error C2065: 'nullptr' : undeclared identifier
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# [11:35] <Ms2ger> RattyAway, hi
# [11:36] <RattyAway> so anyone know what Jacek Caban's nick on irc is?
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# [11:36] <RattyAway> Ms2ger: hi!
# [11:36] <Callek> I think jacek /me looks
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# [11:36] <Ms2ger> RattyAway, is this just missing a #include "mozilla/NullPtr.h"?
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# [11:36] <RattyAway> Ms2ger: err no idea, let me test this
# [11:36] <Callek> RattyAway: https://mozillians.org/en-US/u/jacek/ indeed ;-)
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# [11:50] <RattyAway> Ms2ger: thanks it looks like it works.
# [11:50] <Ms2ger> Np
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# [12:17] <RattyAway> Crash dump filename: ...\appdata\local\temp\tmplcekwn\minidumps\8a8b5422-a24f-470a-9e5f-6efc0f1145ae.dmp
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# [12:17] <RattyAway> MINIDUMP_STACKWALK not set, can't process dump.
# [12:17] <RattyAway> Any idea what this means?
# [12:18] <RattyAway> I've been getting a crash on startup the last few days (my own builds)
# [12:18] <@roc> I can't build mozilla-central on Windows because sqlite can't find malloc_usable_size
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# [12:40] <Callek> smaug: sooo why the heck is disable-webspeech needed for SeaMonkey/TB to not break in this way
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# [12:40] <Callek> smaug: if Firefox is building fine with it, the idea that it breaks SeaMonkey sounds totally wrong
# [12:41] * Callek is just trying to understand
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# [12:45] <Callek> smaug: basically the error SeaMonkey/TB are seeing sounds like a totally broken aspect of some piece of 525444 -- possibly a refcount being doubly released or something
# [12:46] <Callek> and makes me not trust it for Firefox/other code as it stands
# [12:46] <Callek> but if we're shipping it for web-compat for Firefox and gecko proper, I really want to be able to ship it for SeaMonkey
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# [12:49] <@smaug> Callek: I have no idea
# [12:50] <@smaug> Callek: .xpt would be still the best guess
# [12:50] <Callek> yea, mark adding it to .xpt list didn't (seem) to work based on his try push
# [12:50] <Callek> (of course I wonder if he wrapped it in the ifdef since comm- code won't have the define)
# [12:51] <Callek> oo no he didn't https://hg.mozilla.org/try-comm-central/rev/7e1e985cbebe
# [12:51] <@smaug> the thing is that speech stuff isn't called at all by default
# [12:52] <@smaug> so the problem needs to be with .xpt or classinfo
# [12:52] <Callek> yea, which is why I suspect refcount
# [12:52] <Callek> and I should not SM and TB build *without* webAppRT
# [12:52] <Callek> incase that sparks a thought
# [12:52] <@smaug> no, refcnt would need one to call speec stuff
# [12:52] <Callek> smaug: would it for teh DOM wrappers that tie into window/classinfo?
# [12:53] * Callek admits its been a while since he touched anything that affected classinfo
# [12:54] <@smaug> don't understand the question
# [12:55] <Callek> smaug: doesn't the instantiation of DOM's window object cause the changes we did for classinfo to get parts of the added webspeech stuff to run
# [12:55] <Callek> (e.g. some refcounted members of related DOM objects)
# [12:56] <@smaug> don't understand how refcounting is related to this
# [12:56] <Callek> refcounting is a theory of mine, but yea, no good idea overall
# [12:57] * Callek admits he is overtired a bit too, but you're suggestion of disabling a feature present in Firefox confused/puzzled me
# [12:57] <Callek> (I also admit I thought we had tests to scream loudly on the build if we were missing xpt's in our package-manifest for both TB and SeaMonkey, but its possible that those tests are broke now as well
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# [12:58] <@smaug> well, the feature isn't really present yet
# [12:58] <@smaug> we don't have the backend
# [12:59] <@smaug> don't see any problem in classinfo
# [12:59] <Callek> smaug: so ok -- I'll defer and stop using your time until Mark looks more and/or I have more time to *actually* compile/test a few things myself
# [12:59] * Callek notes its been >6 weeks since I personally did a compile as well
# [13:00] <Ms2ger> You're a manager now? ;)
# [13:00] <Callek> (the benefit of working in releng, means I don't have to do much compiling)
# [13:00] <Callek> Ms2ger: no, I just work on the automation around our builds, never the builds themselves
# [13:00] <Callek> (my code doesn't ship to users, but empowers us to ship to users)
# [13:00] <Ms2ger> What's this error, btw?
# [13:01] <Callek> Ms2ger: Bug 858014
# [13:01] <@smaug> hmm, eeejay didn't do what I asked in the review
# [13:01] <Ms2ger> Fun
# [13:02] <@smaug> but doesn't matter in this case
# [13:02] <@smaug> but should have used CONDITIONAL_ in classinfo
# [13:02] <Callek> smaug: HA! thats why until I'm very confident in someone, even if I conditionally review+ I skim an interdiff when done
# [13:03] <Callek> but I also have that luxery to do so at this point, I suspect your review queue doesn't allow that (unless you wanted to do nothing BUT review)
# [13:04] <@smaug> I can't re-re-re-review all the patches
# [13:04] <Callek> (admittedly there is always the human error where peopel I do trust don't follow my review nits correctly -- and vice versa I have messed up myself a few times)
# [13:04] <Ms2ger> r-, missing interdiff :)
# [13:04] <Callek> smaug: sure you can! You just have to get your hands on Operas Time Machine, or the Steve Jobs clone machine
# [13:05] <@smaug> Opera's Time Machine would help :) But don't want help from Steve Jobs
# [13:05] <Callek> no not steve jobs himself, just his clone machine, so you can clone yourself
# [13:06] * @smaug would prefer cloning bz :p
# [13:06] <Ms2ger> Mm
# [13:07] <Ms2ger> Make dzbarsky check if your review comments were applied :)
# [13:07] <Callek> smaug: haha, yea I'd prefer a LOT of mozillians cloned, not sure I want myself cloned I picture the dilema about who gets to do the fun stuff and who has to do the chores -- and what to call each of us among ourselves
# [13:08] <Callek> [/the things callek thinks about]
# [13:09] <@smaug> Callek: so, if I try to reproduce this.. how do I compile tb ?
# [13:09] <@smaug> ah, https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Simple_Thunderbird_build
# [13:09] <Callek> smaug: short story, clone c-c, clone m-c to @c-c-src@/mozilla/
# [13:10] <Callek> but yea https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Simple_Thunderbird_build is the best
# [13:11] <Callek> smaug: client.py co pulls mozilla-central to mozilla/ (which is all you need for TB) and the extensions to their proper dir for SeaMonkey
# [13:11] * @smaug could let TB compile while we he walks around the island
# [13:11] <Callek> the extensions are so small its almost instant but since you'll likely have m-c local itd be faster to do a clone from local dist instead :-)
# [13:11] <Callek> anyway, thanks for looking as well, and enjoy your day
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# [13:14] <mounir> NeilAway: what particularly you do not like with the new <input type='file'> design?
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# [14:33] <RattyAway> Unhandled exception at 0x6e49d0f9 (mozjs.dll) in seamonkey.exe: 0xC0000005: Access violation writing location 0x00000000.
# [14:34] <RattyAway> Who's the JS expert around at the moment?
# [14:34] <RattyAway> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/2278547
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# [14:35] <RattyAway> Callstack: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/2278550
# [14:36] <NeilAway> mounir: IMHO the text seems to be less obviously associated with the button
# [14:38] <NeilAway> mounir: also having the button on the left looks odd to me
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# [15:00] <NeilAway> how do you fix "No rule to make target .../Makefile.in" ?
# [15:01] <NeilAway> or in fact, there's a previous error "No rule to make target Makefile.in"
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# [15:05] <NeilAway> hmm, it was removed by bug 844635
# [15:06] <RattyAway> ok so turning off javascript.options.baselinejit.chrome and javascript.options.baselinejit.content stops SeaMonkey from crashing
# [15:07] <RattyAway> Ms2ger: so who are the people doing the baseline compiler?
# [15:07] <Ms2ger> #jsapi
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# [15:19] <RattyAway> Ms2ger: thanks
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# [15:48] <ovilia> Hi
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# [15:50] <ovilia> I want to join a Mozilla project of GSoC. I sent email to project owner two weeks ago but still got no reply. What should I do?
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# [15:51] <ovilia> Could anybody give me some advice? I'm new here. Thank you!
# [15:55] <@smaug> ovilia: which project?
# [15:55] <ovilia> Web Audio Compatibility Project
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# [15:57] <@smaug> ovilia: I'd send email again, or ask ehsan or jgriffiths here
# [15:57] <@smaug> Monday might be better time
# [15:58] <ovilia> I sent it again a week ago, to both of them.
# [15:58] <@smaug> jmm
# [15:58] <@smaug> hmm
# [15:58] <@smaug> ovilia: try then ping here
# [15:59] <ovilia> OK. Thanks!
# [15:59] <@smaug> jgriffiths seems to be in Vancouver and ehsan in Toronto
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# [16:01] <ovilia> You meaning working or out of office?
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# [16:03] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/332061725181 - Jan-Ivar Bruaroey - Bug 855498: Async onEvent to PC on main + safe-join of SyncRunnable-using SIPCC threads. r=jesup
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# [16:06] <@smaug> ovilia: I mean where they live
# [16:06] <@smaug> ovilia: just that you know the right time zone
# [16:07] <ovilia> I think two weeks is too long for a time-zone problem...
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# [16:07] <Ms2ger> Well, I dunno, Canada is *far*
# [16:07] <@smaug> oh, didn't mean that. just about using IRC
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# [16:08] <ovilia> Oh. So should I calculate the *right* time to be on IRC to ping them?
# [16:09] <@smaug> right
# [16:09] <Ms2ger> Which would be... Now-ish, on a weekday, I guess
# [16:09] <@smaug> I can't know why they haven't replied to your email
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# [16:11] <ovilia> Are they employees of Mozilla? What is the probability of them being on IRC if they're available?
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# [16:12] <@smaug> ehsan at least is on IRC very actively
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# [16:13] <ovilia> Nice~
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# [16:59] <ehoogeveen> roc: bug 719579 forced it to use malloc_usable_size with jemalloc on Windows I don't know why the linker chokes on it with --enable-debug
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# [17:15] <Shachar> Hello, Is it possible to somehow save a file in chunks from javascript (like a.download) but not all the file in one time?
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# [17:18] <glandium> ehoogeveen: i'm pretty sure jemalloc+debug doesn't work on windows
# [17:18] <glandium> at least currently
# [17:18] <glandium> but that's going to change
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# [17:19] <ehoogeveen> glandium: right now DMD seems to require debug on Windows, so I can't build it..
# [17:19] * ehoogeveen wonders how ehsan got it working
# [17:19] <Shachar> e.g: blob = file.slice(start,end); reader.readAsArrayBuffer(blob); only other way around?
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# [17:20] <ehoogeveen> glandium: Mind you DMD doesn't require debug on linux, so maybe removing that dependency might be a higher priority as far as I'm concerned :)
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# [17:22] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/8bcd935cbcfe - Tom Schuster - Bug 854614 - Root xpc_qsUnwrapThis. r=terrence,bholley
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# [17:25] <ehoogeveen> glandium: the linker choking on malloc_usable_size does seem to be the *only* compilation problem with debug+jemalloc on Windows - I tried replacing it with _msize and it built correctly (but that apparently has issues)
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# [17:39] <@bz_weekend> Given an mOwningThread
# [17:39] <@bz_weekend> how can I find out what thread it is?
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# [17:47] <jdm> what
# [17:47] <jdm> ryan isn't even here and he's uplifting things
# [17:48] <jdm> I was mightily confused when I tried to uplift my patch and found that it was already there
# [17:48] <jdm> and had just appeared about two minutes earlier
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# [17:51] <@bsmedberg> bz_weekend: what OS?
# [17:52] <@bz_weekend> bsmedberg: Mac
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# [17:52] <@bz_weekend> bsmedberg: I have an assert in release because it's happening on the wrong thread
# [17:52] <@bz_weekend> bsmedberg: and looking for info on what the right thread is....
# [17:52] <@bsmedberg> bz_weekend: well, it's a PRThread*, hold on
# [17:53] <@bz_weekend> yeah, so
# [17:53] <@bz_weekend> My debugger claims to know nothing about PRThread
# [17:54] <@bsmedberg> that's unfortunate
# [17:54] <@bz_weekend> (gdb) p *(PRThread*)this->_mOwningThread->mThread
# [17:54] <@bz_weekend> $17 = <incomplete type>
# [17:54] <@bz_weekend> (gdb) x/10wa this->_mOwningThread->mThread
# [17:54] <@bz_weekend> 0x10f6af420: 0x82 0x1 0x0 0x0
# [17:54] <@bz_weekend> 0x10f6af430: 0x0 0x0 0x0 0x0
# [17:54] <@bz_weekend> 0x10f6af440: 0x0 0x0
# [17:54] <@bz_weekend> Also claims to know nothing about "struct PRThread", fwiw
# [17:55] <@bz_weekend> The good news is that I can reproduce this quite reliably
# [17:55] <@bz_weekend> so if I can add something in the code that will make this easier to debug.....
# [17:56] <@bsmedberg> bz_weekend: static void DumpThread(PRThread*)?
# [17:56] <@bsmedberg> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/nsprpub/pr/include/private/primpl.h#1531 has the decl
# [17:56] * @bz_weekend tries
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# [17:57] <@bz_weekend> well, my debugger claims to know nothing about it...
# [17:57] * @bz_weekend adds it to the source
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# [18:03] <@bz_weekend> hmmm
# [18:03] <@bz_weekend> how do I get a PRFileDesc for stderr?
# [18:04] <@bz_weekend> Ah, PR_STDERR
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# [18:17] <NeilAway> glandium: well I build jemalloc + debug on win64, which isn't even supported ;-)
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# [18:31] <@bz_weekend> startFunc is null
# [18:31] <@bz_weekend> is that expected?
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# [18:43] <philor> huh. do we somehow load <link rel="help">?
# [18:44] <philor> well, <link rel=help>, since apparently quotes on attributes are oldschool
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# [18:45] <philor> but Ms2ger's leak of Ms2ger's test with Ms2ger's help links to es5.github.com leaks that URL
# [18:45] <philor> WITCH!
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# [18:47] <marxin> Hi, I would like to build firefox where libxul.so won't be loaded sequetilly by loader. Is it caused by elfhack such a behaviour?
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# [18:49] <vlad> avih: super simple -- you'll need two subclasses of nsIRunnable, one that's the thread runnable, and one that's the event runnable. Then you nsCOMPtr<nsIThread> thread; NS_NewThread(getter_AddRefs(thread), new MyThreadRunnable());
# [18:50] <mbrubeck> marxin: I don't think it's elfhack... if I understand right, elfhack just optimized the binary files at build time, and doesn't do anything at runtime
# [18:50] <vlad> then you have a TriggerRefreshRunnable(), which can basically be the same as the nsITimer runnable that's already in RefreshDriver
# [18:50] <vlad> avih: and then on your thread, you call NS_DispatchToMainThread(triggerRefresh);
# [18:51] <avih> vlad: thanks for the pointer :) will give it a go. can i expect it to die gracefully on shutdown? or do i need to take special care of that?
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# [18:52] <@bz_weekend> compositor
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# [18:52] <vlad> avih: avih it will die gracefully on shutdown, though there will be a bunch of thigns you'd want to do to actually be able to ship the patch
# [18:52] <vlad> but the above is just the basics to test :)
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# [18:53] <marxin> mbrubeck: I used systemtap tool logging me every disk load, while chromium was loaded in an expected way, libxul.so was loaded sequentially. I guess by some kind of hack :0
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# [18:53] <vlad> (e.g. you'd want to set it up so that we only get notified of refreshes if something is actually waiting)
# [18:53] <avih> vlad: i will start with that. if you feel like dropping more tips, i won't stop you ;) thanks :)
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# [18:54] <mbrubeck> marxin: Yeah, I'm searching for where that code lives now...
# [18:54] <mbrubeck> https://blog.mozilla.org/tglek/2011/09/20/firefox-7-cheating-the-operating-system-to-start-faster/ has some background, but might be out of date
# [18:54] <marxin> mbrubeck: I expected something like this: http://glandium.org/blog/?p=1296
# [18:54] <avih> yes, i see you point. though if nothing is waiting (layout flush, yes?) then the handler won't waste much time anyway
# [18:55] <marxin> mbrubeck: looks like what we are looking for, any switch for disabling that feature?
# [18:56] <vlad> avih: yeah, it's true
# [18:56] <vlad> avih: but it does mean that we'll be dispatching events to the main thread and waking up both threads for no reason
# [18:56] <vlad> but again, that's details to tweak later :)
# [18:56] <vlad> avih: one thing that sucks -- windows 8, there's no way to turn off the DWM
# [18:56] <avih> yes and yes :)
# [18:56] <vlad> so vsync is *always* on
# [18:57] <avih> and why would it suck?
# [18:57] <vlad> well, for testing mainly
# [18:57] <avih> ah
# [18:57] <vlad> because it won't be as obvious when we get it wrong
# [18:58] <vlad> it will manifest as occasional doubled/dropped frames
# [18:58] <avih> i think it's quite noticeable that you don't hit vsync perfectly even if WDM is enabled
# [18:58] <avih> scroll tests are just not smooth
# [18:58] <avih> you can try the test patches i posted at the windows vsync bug
# [18:58] <vlad> right
# [18:59] <vlad> because of the doubled/dropped frames
# [18:59] <mbrubeck> marxin: I don't know, sorry. You might need to ask taras or glandium when they are around
# [18:59] <vlad> the colorbar approach without forced vsync just gives you a very visual representation of what's going on
# [18:59] <avih> which is how i tested the phase shift control, and it does make a difference
# [18:59] <vlad> it'll still give info even with dwm enabled (and i'll do that on monday)
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# [19:00] <avih> vlad: indeed. if you reviewed the color changes automatically you would identify double/skipped colors, but with your eye scroll smoothness might work better than colors changes.
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# [19:00] <vlad> yeah, absolutely
# [19:00] <vlad> the colors are worthless without the recording :)
# [19:00] <vlad> the recording is just nice because it's totally quantifiable
# [19:01] <Ms2ger> philor, you're kidding, right? :/
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# [19:02] <avih> vlad: problem with the recording that it's not necessarily synced to neither vsync nor firefox present
# [19:02] <vlad> the recording is synced to vsync
# [19:02] <vlad> like, it's the actual frames going to the video card
# [19:02] <vlad> er
# [19:02] <avih> you sure of that?
# [19:02] <vlad> to the monitor
# [19:02] <avih> if you use vdub to record, then it might dup/drop frames to sync to the audio.
# [19:02] <vlad> no, it's recorded using a high-end capture card :)
# [19:03] <vlad> and some software specific for it
# [19:03] <avih> the audio is usually the main timing source iirc in vdub, but iirc that can be changed
# [19:03] <avih> oh :)
# [19:03] <vlad> I just used vdub to edit some stuff out and to make it easy to move forward/backwards in frames
# [19:03] <vlad> because that is *painful* in vlc :)
# [19:03] <avih> vlc sucks. i don't know how it got so successful...
# [19:04] <vlad> I dunno; for just basic playback it's pretty good
# [19:04] <avih> it has the worse UI and stability i've ever saw in a video player. and i've seen a LOT of them
# [19:04] <vlad> and it has its own decoders so I don't have to hunt down a billion codecs
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# [19:04] <avih> true that
# [19:05] <avih> vlad: you could use SMPLAYER, it's the unix mplayer,m so uses avcodec/ffmpeg as the base, but works very nicely cross platform
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# [19:06] <philor> Ms2ger: I've never looked at what it takes to make that list of leaked URLs, may well just be NS_NewURI without ever loading it, and it's just leaked because the whole world's getting leaked
# [19:06] <avih> vlad: or you could use media player classic which will use DXVA, so you get acceleration on weak CPUs, like newer atoms
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# [19:07] <marxin> mbrubeck: I went through all --disable-xxx options in configure.in and nothing interesting expect --disable-xul. Do you know what that option do?
# [19:07] <philor> "you might just leak 132186283 bytes without touching the network!" :)
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# [19:08] <Ms2ger> Well, that sure makes me feel better!
# [19:10] <vlad> avih: yeah, MPC I used sometimes
# [19:10] <vlad> smplayer I didn't know about though, that's interesting
# [19:10] <vlad> it kinda looks ugly though
# [19:10] <vlad> looks like gtk :)
# [19:11] <avih> vlad: it's QT4 :)
# [19:11] <avih> it has few built in skins
# [19:11] <vlad> better I guess :)
# [19:11] <avih> it's been my main player on fast systems. most features, deinterlacers, filters, etc
# [19:12] <avih> on low-end systems, MPC due to DXVA
# [19:12] <Ms2ger> philor, okay, it's just dumping leaked nsStandardURLs, phew :)
# [19:13] <avih> vlad: get the portable version of SMPlayer. give it a min to enumerate fonts on first run, then you're ready to go.
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# [19:13] <avih> (official portable version, not from portableapps.com)
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# [19:22] <avih> vlad: with smplayer, you can skip frames forward/backward using < / >
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# [19:57] <ehoogeveen> avih, vlad: for high end systems you can also use the MadVR renderer with MPC (and the LAV filters for decoding perhaps)
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# [19:59] <ehoogeveen> avih: ah, moderator on doom9, right? So you would know :)
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# [20:27] <Shachar> Hello, Is it possible to somehow save a file in chunks from javascript (like a.download) but not all the file in one time?
# [20:27] <Shachar> e.g: blob = file.slice(start,end); reader.readAsArrayBuffer(blob); only other way around?
# [20:30] <avih> Shachar: you mean read in chunks from a URI? or save local data in chunks to disk?
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# [20:31] <avih> Shachar: i think both should be possible, but you might need chrome privileges
# [20:31] <avih> i did the former some years ago like a download manager in concurrent chunks.
# [20:34] <Shachar> save data like Uint8array to an actual accessible for a user file
# [20:34] <Shachar> in chunks
# [20:34] <RattyAway> the DownThemAll extension does this.
# [20:34] <Shachar> not local storage/indexDB stuff
# [20:34] <Shachar> (in javascript)
# [20:34] <RattyAway> Shachar: pehaps you can look at its code
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# [20:35] <Shachar> RattyAway: would be happy to
# [20:36] <Shachar> I ment the download manager you mentioend above
# [20:36] <Shachar> I want this to be without extensions...
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# [20:38] <Shachar> A way to solve this I thought is maybe use local storage to save stuff chunk by chunk and then (if possible) to a.download a local storage URI?
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# [20:39] <evilpie> https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/a85d21e394c0 caused bustage
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# [21:44] <jcranmer> ted: ping?
# [21:44] <jcranmer> bsmedberg: ping?
# [21:45] <@bsmedberg> jcranmer: pong
# [21:46] <jcranmer> bsmedberg: so, I'm trying to add a mozilla::services equivalent for comm-central right now
# [21:46] <jcranmer> (see bug 856914)
# [21:47] <jcranmer> the problem I've been having is figuring out the best place to add the shutdown
# [21:47] <@bsmedberg> what shutdown?
# [21:47] <jcranmer> shutting down the c-c-specific services
# [21:49] <@bsmedberg> you mean releasing them?
# [21:49] <jcranmer> yeah
# [21:49] <jcranmer> the equivalent to mozilla::services::Shutdown
# [21:50] <@bsmedberg> do it in xpcom-shutdown-threads
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# [21:50] <@bsmedberg> and assert if people try to use it after that
# [21:50] <jcranmer> I need to use it in xpcom-shutdown
# [21:51] <jcranmer> but xpcom-shutdown-threads happens afterwards, Iguess
# [21:51] <@bsmedberg> indeed
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# [21:52] <@bsmedberg> I'm skeptical of adding new hooks until we prove that xpcom-shutdown-threads won't work
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# [21:53] <jcranmer> okay
# [21:54] <jcranmer> module dtors definitely don't work
# [21:54] <jcranmer> :)
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# [23:11] <luisbg> how is this meant to be done?
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# [23:44] <TheKiller> Hello everyone.
# [23:45] <TheKiller> I have a bug right now in FF 20. Its there for ages. I think i submitted a bug a while back
# [23:45] <TheKiller> but i couldnt give steps to reproduce.
# [23:46] <TheKiller> It only occours sometimes in textareas.
# [23:46] <TheKiller> Would anyone be interested in having a look at it?
# [23:46] <@smaug> depends on whether there is a testcase
# [23:47] <@smaug> and whether it is possible to reproduce the problem :)
# [23:47] <@smaug> bug# ?
# [23:47] <TheKiller> When you click empty space, it should move the blinking line at the end of the line.
# [23:47] <TheKiller> It wont do that
# [23:47] <TheKiller> it moves the blinking text line only if you click text.
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# [23:48] <@smaug> can't see such behavior here
# [23:48] <@smaug> at least atm
# [23:48] <TheKiller> it happens rarely
# [23:48] <@smaug> so need to find some str
# [23:48] <TheKiller> i tried to save the page the issue is on
# [23:48] <TheKiller> in a html file
# [23:48] <TheKiller> but the issue doesnt persist there.
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# [23:49] <@smaug> does it happen reliably on some web page?
# [23:49] <TheKiller> It mostly happens when i access the "DirectAdmin" control panel's text editor.
# [23:50] <TheKiller> Its alike cPanel.
# [23:50] <@smaug> also, do you have regression range?
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# [23:50] <TheKiller> regression range?
# [23:50] <TheKiller> not sure i do
# [23:51] <@smaug> or has Firefox always had that behavior
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# [23:51] <TheKiller> If you have Teamviewer, i could give you access to see it happen.
# [23:51] <@smaug> if not, regression range would be *very* useful
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# [23:51] <TheKiller> no. FF doesnt have this behaivour.
# [23:51] <@smaug> er, what?
# [23:51] <TheKiller> I said; it happens rarely
# [23:52] <@smaug> "I have a bug right now in FF 20." ... "FF doesn't have this behaivour"
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# [23:52] <@smaug> oh, you mean FF hasn't had the behavior always
# [23:53] * @smaug doesn't know what is Teamviewer
# [23:53] <TheKiller> yeah
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# [23:53] <@smaug> TheKiller: regression range would be really really nice
# [23:53] <luisbg> I'm doing changes in image/src/X.cpp file; then ./mach build image/src/ ; then run obj-*/dist/bin/firefox -no-remote -P
# [23:53] <@smaug> what is the first FF release which has the problem
# [23:53] <luisbg> and my changes aren't being executed (it runs older build)
# [23:53] <luisbg> why?
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# [23:53] <TheKiller> FF doesnt have this behaivour normally. It happens RARELY/Sometimes, inside textareas.
# [23:53] <@smaug> sure
# [23:53] <luisbg> older build of the same object file I mean
# [23:53] <@smaug> but which is the first FF release which has the behavior occasionally
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# [23:54] <TheKiller> I cant remember sadly.
# [23:54] <@smaug> try?
# [23:54] <@smaug> :)
# [23:54] <@smaug> I mean, test some older FF release?
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# [23:55] <@smaug> luisbg: dunno about mach, but in make you need to compile/link libxul, which is in toolkit/library
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# [23:55] <TheKiller> smaug
# [23:55] <TheKiller> https://go.teamviewer.com/v8/en/
# [23:55] <luisbg> smaug, d'oh! I had a note somewhere about this and I had forgotten
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# [23:55] <luisbg> than I need to link it after building
# [23:55] <TheKiller> Please try browsing there and paste; m58-015-474
# [23:55] <luisbg> s/than/that
# [23:56] <luisbg> smaug, thanks! :)
# [23:56] <@smaug> TheKiller: that is some Flash thingie
# [23:56] <TheKiller> ?
# [23:57] <TheKiller> Do you see my screen>?
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# [23:57] <TheKiller> ok lol
# [23:57] <@smaug> ok, I see something
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# [23:57] <TheKiller> nice
# [23:57] <TheKiller> do you see the beeping text line ?
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# [23:58] <@smaug> beeping?
# [23:58] <@smaug> I did see some textarea
# [23:58] <TheKiller> If i click at the end of the line, the beeping line wont move at its end.
# [23:58] <@smaug> is that actually <textarea> or contenteditable
# [23:58] <@smaug> or something else
# [23:59] <@smaug> k
# [23:59] <TheKiller> <textarea wrap="off" cols="120" rows="24" name="text" class="code_edit" style="width: 1091px; height: 583px;">
# [23:59] <jcranmer> firebot: uuid
# [23:59] <firebot> 15f9cc44-afdf-48c8-9de7-3ca0f18fc3b6 (/msg firebot cid for CID form)
# [23:59] <@smaug> TheKiller: so, we need STR or regression range, or hopefully both
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