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# [00:22] * jesup wishes we just had inbound1 and inbound2, so we'd have to work twice as hard to keep it all closed. ;-) (I don't think the 1-head-per-push stuff would fly, or N heads - too many merges needed and merge conflicts I suspect)
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# [00:22] <jesup> Of course, twice as hard as "really easy" is still "really easy" :-(
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# [00:23] <derf> I'm sure philor would like to do twice as much starring.
# [00:24] <jesup> I'm not sure it actually would result in a lot more starring (for very small N's like 2 or 3), but that would depend on how it interacts with the build system and coalescing
# [00:24] <philor> not twice as much, because inbound-2 totally ignores the fact that we don't have enough capacity for a single inbound which is closed most of the time
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# [00:25] <jesup> Yeah, I think you're still infra-bound in either case - tests/builds per hour would be roughly the same
# [00:25] <Jesse> jesup: having two inbounds would be a mess when there are conflicts. 1-head-per-push would not, and wouldn't cause many more conflicts than inbound does today.
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# [00:25] <jesup> Of course, having it closed means "no new non-Try jobs getting put in the queue"... Just close it every other hour to catch up!
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# [00:26] <Jesse> we could even have a way to ask "will my push conflict with anything else that's incoming at the moment?" which we can't do now
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# [00:27] <jesup> Jesse: perhaps you're right; I'm not an expert. Being able to detect conflicts would be important (so you can resolve and land in a dependent head of the other patch, I assume)
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# [00:30] <Jesse> technically you'd be replacing the other head, as seen by "hg heads". but yeah, you could do that, or wait for the other thing to reach mozilla-central, or even tell automation to ignore the other person's patch in favor of yours.
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# [00:38] <NeilAway> glandium: did you announce your chrome format changes somewhere?
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# [00:41] <sfink> at a theoretical level, 1-head-per-push is strictly better than today's system, because it exposes more information for the system to work from. eg, it could choose a set of nonconflicting patches to try out. Currently, when the tree is closed, the backlog is invisible but still real.
# [00:41] <sfink> at a practical level, today's system is strictly better than 1-head-per-push, because it's implemented and a known quantity :)
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# [00:42] <NeilAway> gps: would I be right in thinking that NO_MAKEFILE_RULE := 1 should only appear when the sourcedir does not have a makefile?
# [00:43] <derf> sfink: Sounds like you want http://www.chromium.org/developers/testing/commit-queue
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# [00:45] <sfink> derf: something much closer to that, yes
# [00:45] * till wonders why in the world Google's PR department let this image go public: http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-FcRHl1GIsQc/UWXPb3AadyI/AAAAAAAAMFQ/8eLn1iOZLC8/s1600/glass-collective.jpg
# [00:46] <sfink> though I was only comparing current vs 1-head-per-push above, not my hypothetical all-singing-and-dancing solution
# [00:46] <sfink> still working on that one
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# [00:47] <gps> NeilAway: I /think/ so. I'd have to check
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# [00:54] <NeilAway> gps: only all of my mailnews/*/backend.mk seem to have them, which makes updating the Makefile.in tricky :s
# [00:54] <jhammel> gps: that reminds me for no particular reason...i need to code my markup language
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# [00:58] <gps> NeilAway: https://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/file/a6fb03a70c9d/python/mozbuild/mozbuild/backend/recursivemake.py#l93
# [00:59] <gps> NeilAway: i.e. if you run |make| the Makefile should be updated from the Makefile.in
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# [01:02] <NeilAway> gps: ah, well comm-central's rules.mk doesn't include SUBSTITUTE_FILES yet :s
# [01:02] <NeilAway> gps: thanks for pointing me to it!
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# [01:03] <gps> o rly? that would be bad. that might explain some c-c build bugs I've seen!
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# [01:06] <NeilAway> gps: actually, it doesn't have NO_MAKEFILE_RULE either, but I had to port the patch to get --enable-experimental stuff working again
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# [01:06] <gps> this will all go away once comm-central is merged back into m-c :)
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# [01:07] <jesup> till: impressive egghead on that Google Glasses image
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# [01:07] <tbsaunde> gps: don't count your chickens till that hatch little grass hopper
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# [01:08] <till> jesup: indeed! But also, nice group of Terminators, there
# [01:08] <jesup> so, are we waiting until tomorrow (or next week) to open the tree? Any solution to the PGO?
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# [01:11] <tbsaunde> jesup: what happened?
# [01:11] <jesup> tbsaunde: look at inbound
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# [01:17] <NeilAway> gps: ah, Standard8 is on top of the problem in bug 852869 comment #9
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# [01:18] <Callek> NeilAway: I likely can't review for a day or two, if you trust your own review (or gps wants to review) go ahead!
# [01:19] <NeilAway> Callek: haven't got around to testing yet, I can't remember what the problem that I needed the change for was
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# [01:20] <philor> gps: got any idea what https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=21662998&tree=Mozilla-Inbound is?
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# [01:21] <jhammel> s read too much hitchiker's to give up on the towel
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# [01:22] <froydnj> yay, green xpcshell tests
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# [01:23] <philor> ah, more or less the same thing on the push below that, too, so apparently it's Windows bustage on clobber from somewhere in the last 16 or 18 pushes
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# [01:24] <gps> philor: I assume you mean https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=21661546&tree=Mozilla-Inbound&full=1#error0 ?
# [01:25] <seth> hmm
# [01:25] <philor> gps: I do not, though if you know for sure whether that's jandem's fault, and whether or not the clobber we can't get would fix it, that'd be cool too
# [01:25] <seth> so somehow my mozilla-central checkout became corrupt
# [01:25] <seth> weird
# [01:25] <dholbert> seth, boo
# [01:26] <philor> gps: but what I mean is the makefile bustage of Win opt, non-PGO, on both the tip and tip-1
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# [01:26] <seth> i should've seen this coming, since it was saying "1 file missing" even though no missing files were actually listed in "hg status" for a while now
# [01:26] <philor> where by opt I mean debug
# [01:26] <Luqman> having Array.prototype.remove shouldn't be causing execptions right?
# [01:26] <philor> keys are right next to each other
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# [01:27] <gps> philor: TBPL link please
# [01:27] <gps> (I'm not seeing makefile bustage
# [01:28] <gps> oh wait - No rule to remake missing include file e:/builds/moz2_slave/m-in-w32-d-0000000000000000000/build/config/baseconfig.mk
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# [01:30] <gps> that is a really special failure
# [01:30] <philor> it's a special day
# [01:30] <gps> that implies files disappeared during the build
# [01:30] <gps> that's the only way I can envision that error happening
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# [01:31] <philor> well, I know one way that might happen
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# [01:32] <bajaj> dougt: ping
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# [01:34] <dougt> bajaj: yo
# [01:35] <bajaj> dougt: hey..can you please help with https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=854863#c12
# [01:35] <dougt> looking
# [01:35] <bajaj> dougt: thanks
# [01:35] <tbsaunde> philor: so, shu has a patch touching ICs too, maybe we should clobber back one of them out clobber again and back out the other then assuming that fixes things reland which ever was inecent?
# [01:36] <dougt> bajaj: what do you need to know?
# [01:36] <philor> BenWa: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=21663240&tree=Mozilla-Inbound
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# [01:36] <bajaj> dougt: needs the right assignee per my read
# [01:37] <bajaj> so help with that ?
# [01:37] <dougt> :)
# [01:37] <bajaj> :)
# [01:37] <dougt> by tomorrow this time, it will have traction.
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# [01:37] <bajaj> dougt: great, thanks !
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# [01:37] <philor> hmm, does autoclobber work despite the clobberer not working?
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# [01:38] <philor> perhaps whoever backs out BenWa should touch /CLOBBER too, see if we can clobber any better than releng can
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# [01:41] <tbsaunde> philor: I just poked him
# [01:43] <BenWa> philor: autoclobber should be independant from CLOBBER
# [01:44] <gps> well, there are multiple auto clobbers
# [01:44] <gps> all clobbers I know of:
# [01:44] <philor> BenWa: sure, except that they are both using Python to try to delete things on Windows (in different ways, though), but you only came into that question because I'm looking for someone to back you out, because you still leak
# [01:44] <gps> 1) in-tree CLOBBER check that automatically clobbers by default
# [01:44] <gps> 2) periodic clobber in buildbot
# [01:44] <gps> 3) clobberer page to force clobbers
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# [01:45] <philor> don't forget the ever popular free-space clobber, where some other job tosses your job's dir because it wants the disk space
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# [01:46] <philor> BenWa: sorry, "still leaking and still crashing"
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# [01:46] <BenWa> Preparing the backout ATM
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# [01:47] <BenWa> philor: You want me to update CLOBBER?
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# [01:48] <philor> BenWa: yes please, it can't get any worse and it might get interesting
# [01:49] <shu> tbsaunde: something with Ion ICs is messing up windows PGO?
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# [01:49] <tbsaunde> philor: so, I'm finding it hard to blaim jandem for the PGO linking problem, but he touches a bunch of stuff in the area, and shu doesn't really so I'm tempted to try jandem as a culprit
# [01:50] <tbsaunde> shu: yes, see inbound
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# [01:50] <philor> tbsaunde: am I missing where shu pushed before the first instance, the one with the 13 failures?
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# [01:52] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/2949e808ed33 - Chris Peterson - Bug 852704 - Part 2: Fix JNI crash caused by DomKeyLocation's change from int to enum. r=blassey
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# [01:52] <philor> looks to me like the range is https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Mozilla-Inbound&fromchange=0ff1755d6359&tochange=78e13e815d62 since there's a green Win PGO below that
# [01:53] <tbsaunde> philor: I'm not sure I saw what was the first instance
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# [01:54] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/ee168b506dd7 - Benoit Girard - Backout e090321a025c
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# [01:54] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/5f7ef72c2c00 - Benoit Girard - Backout cb37a2ae805f on a CLOSED TREE
# [01:54] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/c4787f90e6b8 - Benoit Girard - Backout f7814e2bc3dd
# [01:55] <BenWa> philor: I don't have a bug # to push the CLOBBER
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# [01:56] <tbsaunde> philor: PGO or clobber PGO?/win 44
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# [01:57] <philor> BenWa: "Work around bug 860503 with CLOBBER" should nicely trick anything that wants a bug number :)
# [01:57] <BenWa> bug 860503 works. pushing
# [01:58] <tbsaunde> philor: then yeah shu is out, but maybe glandium is in
# [01:59] * philor helps people remember that central is not inbound-2
# [02:00] <jhammel> what, it's like inbound-3 now?
# [02:00] <Jesse> "No bug" or "[Bug that required a clobber] followup" would work too
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# [02:00] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/16ff946d028c - Benoit Girard - Work around bug 860503 with CLOBBER on a CLOSED TREE
# [02:01] <bholley> akeybl: yt?
# [02:01] <akeybl> yep
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# [02:02] <bholley> akeybl: The caja guys (google web sandboxing framework) want to know if we'd take a patch on aurora (that we landed on Nightly shortly after the merge) to make us spec compliant in a way that's important to them
# [02:02] <bholley> akeybl: (their framework doesn't work without it)
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# [02:02] <bholley> akeybl: it's a regression from FF15 I think, but we've been shipping it ever since
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# [02:03] <bholley> akeybl: bug in question is bug 789897. The patch is bigish, but relatively straightforward and low risk
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# [02:03] <bholley> akeybl: I'm not sure what our release management philosophy is on stuff like this
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# [02:04] <bholley> (Waldo: ^^ is a discussion relevant to you)
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# [02:05] <mbrubeck> bholley: We should probably also consider if it's important enough to take in one of the B2G branches
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# [02:05] <mbrubeck> and/or 17esr
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# [02:05] <bnicholson> philor: so with these rules, once some other unsuspecting victim pushes to m-c, i'm absolved of all of my star duties?
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# [02:05] <bholley> mbrubeck: at some point, yeah. That'd be higher risk though, right? This is just about accelerating our fix of this bug by 6 weeks
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# [02:06] <mbrubeck> bnicholson: I believe according to the rules you *should* both be watching at that point, until your non-PGO builds are done and tested and starred...
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# [02:06] <mbrubeck> bholley: Yeah, there's a higher bar for risk/reward on those branches.
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# [02:07] <akeybl> bholley: looking
# [02:07] <bholley> akeybl: I could also just flag it for approval-aurora. But it's weird to do that for a patch I didn't write
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# [02:10] <akeybl> bholley: explain it like I'm 5 - what can't they do right now that this would enable?
# [02:10] <akeybl> them or our users
# [02:11] <bholley> akeybl: sandbox web pages
# [02:11] <akeybl> is this just general security for our users?
# [02:11] <bholley> akeybl: their whole product doesn't work in Firefox
# [02:11] <akeybl> I see
# [02:11] <bholley> akeybl: https://developers.google.com/caja/docs/about/
# [02:11] <akeybl> yeah I was taking a look at that
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# [02:12] <akeybl> but it wasn't clear that they were completely broken
# [02:12] <bholley> akeybl: see the most recent comments in bug 674195
# [02:12] <bholley> (comment 27)
# [02:12] <bholley> akeybl: he just sent me mail asking: "Is there someone I can ask about how hard it would be to back-port this to 'mozilla21' and/or how would one go about this? It's a real killer for us.... :("
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# [02:13] <akeybl> I see that now
# [02:13] <akeybl> I was reading top down
# [02:14] <akeybl> bholley: I think we need a champion either on the security or product side
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# [02:14] <akeybl> either to make us compatible for product reasons or for the security of our users
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# [02:14] <akeybl> I can ping others
# [02:15] <bholley> akeybl: yeah, we should see if sec-eng cares about this
# [02:15] <akeybl> will do
# [02:15] <philor> bnicholson: not really, no - in theory cpeterson was supposed to hound you into starring your unstarred before he pushed, and then you're each responsible for your own
# [02:15] <bholley> akeybl: can you comment on the bug either way, so that they know what's up?
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# [02:16] <bholley> akeybl: also, for context. The patch is big, but conceptually it's simple. And it had a rocky landing, but only because of a typo. I don't think it's really regression-prone
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# [02:17] <dholbert> BenWa, looks like your clobber push didn't get any builds scheduled for some reason
# [02:17] <BenWa> dholbert: I'm not landing anything else today!
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# [02:17] <BenWa> :P
# [02:17] <dholbert> just thought you might be interested :)
# [02:18] <akeybl> bholley: sounds good, will do
# [02:18] <dholbert> kmoir, could you look into that, when you get a chance? (or maybe you already know why)
# [02:18] <philor> hmm, wonder whether that's from the "which project should we build?" stuff
# [02:18] <dholbert> kmoir, the question being "why didn't BenWa's push [top of m-i] get any builds scheduled?"
# [02:19] <tbsaunde> philor: so two people decided to forget the rules? :(
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# [02:20] <philor> tbsaunde: in their defense, a great many people have not been around long enough to have ever even met the rules for anything other than inbound
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# [02:20] <philor> bah, I need builds on that push, so I'm self-serving some
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# [02:21] <philor> maybe
# [02:23] <bnicholson> why was central closed if there's no breakage or unstarred failures?
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# [02:24] <njn> bnicholson: layers refactoring landing?
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# [02:24] <tbsaunde> philor: true
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# [02:25] <bnicholson> njn: oh -- shouldn't the CLOSED message at https://tbpl.mozilla.org/ mention that?
# [02:26] <cpeterson> hi, philor: I landed my Android-only patch on central because it is a critical fix. I saw that bnicholson's Android-only patch had passed the Android tests and I knew his patch could not have been responsible for the orange tests on Fedora or OSX.
# [02:26] <njn> bnicholson: that was just a guess
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# [02:27] <bnicholson> (same with my landing on central; updates are broken without it and it needs to make nightly)
# [02:27] <cpeterson> I know landing on central is not something to be done casually.. <:)
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# [02:28] <Waldo> bholley, akeybl: I think that could be backported, if necessary, without too much pain or suffering or risk; I'm not sure caja should be considered so absolutely important as to backport it, to be brutally honest, tho -- they have workarounds that don't use caja, so I think we lose now only in the sense of things being slightly slower with us, when they can't use the faster tricks
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# [02:29] <Gijs> bholley: ping! :)
# [02:29] <bholley> Gijs: ping me back in 15?
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# [02:30] <Gijs> bholley: will try, otherwise it'll be tomorrow, no worries. :)
# [02:30] <philor> central's closed because I don't trust people not to just decide to push and go home
# [02:31] <derf> Huh, what is mozregression?
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# [02:33] <mbrubeck> derf: It's pure awesome! http://mozilla.github.io/mozregression/
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# [02:33] <derf> So it's like a semi-automated Alice0775?
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# [02:35] <mbrubeck> derf: exactly :)
# [02:36] <akeybl> Waldo: yeah I was also told that this is just for a "native" version of Caja
# [02:36] <akeybl> Caja is still compatible with Firefox currently
# [02:36] <akeybl> just in a slower state
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# [02:41] <bholley> Gijs: hi
# [02:41] <Gijs> bholley: hi! :)
# [02:41] <Gijs> bholley: dolske pinged you a couple of hours ago about a XBL constructor issue I was having...
# [02:41] <dholbert> kmoir, never mind, looks like BenWa has builds going now
# [02:42] <Gijs> [13:35:53] Gijs So I have a XBL binding which uses XBL bindings for some of the elements in its content. I'm trying to essentially move the XBL binding to use HTML rather than XUL for almost all of its content. However, when swapping out stuff with HTML rather than XUL, I'm seeing setters on the inner binding being called before the constructor of the binding. If I check on vanilla nightly...
# [02:42] <Gijs> ...without my...
# [02:42] <Gijs> [13:35:53] Gijs ...changes, the calls are the "right" way around. Does anyone know offhand what might cause that?
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# [02:42] <bholley> Gijs: what do you mean "inner binding"?
# [02:42] <kmoir> okay, I was busy clobbering pgo builds by hand, missed your ping
# [02:43] <Gijs> bholley: the binding on the element that's inside the XBL content of the "outer" binding
# [02:43] <Gijs> so I have binding A, which has content, and one of the element in A's content is "bound to B" (this language is probably wrong)
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# [02:43] <Gijs> A's constructor sets some property on B
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# [02:44] <Gijs> when I had everything in XUL, B's constructor got invoked before the setter
# [02:44] <Gijs> when I switched to HTML, it... didn't. :(
# [02:44] <Gijs> and that made the setter sad, because the constructor obviously did init work that the setter assumed was done.
# [02:45] <Gijs> bholley: does that make sense?
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# [02:45] <bholley> Gijs: bindings are generally applied and removed in a pretty haphazard way
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# [02:46] <bholley> Gijs: it's probably just some artifact of different loading characteristics between HTML and XUL or something
# [02:46] <Gijs> Hmm.
# [02:46] <philor> dholbert: http://mxr.mozilla.org/build/source/buildbotcustom/misc.py#135
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# [02:46] <dholbert> philor, ...
# [02:47] <dholbert> philor, so if someone *just* touches the clobber file, we treat that as not-build-worthy?
# [02:47] <philor> yeah, so next time I'm wondering and ranting and where's-my-buildsing, remind me that I have to trigger them through self-serve for an only-CLOBBER
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# [02:47] <dholbert> I guess that makes some amount of sense, when it's a "oops I should have touched the clobber file in that last push" sort of situation
# [02:48] <Jesse> but it should be more like "cancel the last set of jobs"
# [02:48] <bholley> Gijs: bz is really the XBL expert though
# [02:48] <bholley> Gijs: I just know enough about it to get what I want done :-)
# [02:48] <@gavin> I don't think it makes any sense
# [02:48] <bholley> Gijs: if you're interested in fixing said bug, you should talk to him :-)
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# [02:49] <Gijs> bholley: I'm mostly interested in making it not happen to my videocontrols code :)
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# [02:49] <Gijs> If that requires fixing it... I may have to swallow that pill?
# [02:49] <Gijs> I was sort of assuming user error
# [02:49] <Gijs> and/or workarounds
# [02:49] <@gavin> dholbert: in that case you want builds to see that your clobber worked...
# [02:50] <dholbert> gavin, yeah, but in that case you may have already used clobberer tool
# [02:50] <bholley> Gijs: my guess would be that it's an XBL bug. But you should check with bz
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# [02:50] <dholbert> and you're touching the CLOBBER file more for merges to other trees, than anything else
# [02:50] <dholbert> dunno
# [02:51] <dholbert> gavin, I'm not defending the logic, I'm just trying to imagine how it came about :)
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# [02:52] <philor> blame says: "say you're pushing a Fennec patch that requires a clobber, touching that one file outside of mobile/ shouldn't cause you to trigger builds on every product"
# [02:53] <@gavin> we shouldn't be touching clobber often enough for that kind of thing to matter
# [02:53] <@gavin> and it leads to all sorts of confusion
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# [02:53] <Jesse> Callek: ^
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# [02:54] <@gavin> I'm going to back out CLOBBER support
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# [02:54] <philor> Lemonade springs *and* not having to clobber two or three times a day!
# [02:54] <Callek> gavin: again? what is the CLOBBER support problem this time?
# [02:55] * Callek admits I'm not a fan of auto-clobber, but I'm also less of a fan of the land/backout/land/backout/land/backout dance
# [02:55] <Jesse> Callek: we're questioning http://hg.mozilla.org/build/buildbotcustom/rev/214dde15ffed
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# [02:56] <Callek> Jesse: so that logic, (a) doesn't affect central and only affects inbound, (b) its an "exclude" list -- so that if you touch CLOBBER and mobile/ we only build mobile, not desktop, and if you touch CLOBBER and firefox/ you only get desktop not mobile, and if you touch CLOBBER and dom/* you get all, as always
# [02:57] <Callek> Jesse: basically it also has the side affect of if you push *JUST* a CLOBBER file change, you get no builds
# [02:57] <Callek> but the theory is you can use the buildbot/releng clobberer to retrigger builds if THAT is truely your issue
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# [02:58] <Callek> Jesse: does that line up with what you're seeing, and if so but you still don't like the logic, why
# [02:58] <philor> doubt anything interesting will happen in just another hour, but I'll be on the front desk and out of touch if it does
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# [02:59] <Jesse> Callek: those cases kind of make sense. we're worried about the case where you push something, and then follow up with a changeset that only touches CLOBBER.
# [03:00] <@gavin> only touching CLOBBER should get you builds, because you're clobbering for a reason
# [03:00] <@gavin> "use self-serve" is not a good answer
# [03:00] <Callek> Jesse: if it is all in one push, you should be fine, we check all csets in a push (and if we go over the number of csets we reasonably care to look at, we build everything anyway)
# [03:00] <Callek> gavin: before we had auto-clobber at least, people frequently pushed, "o no I needed a clobber", "touch clobber file"
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# [03:01] <Callek> gavin: using the self server + buildbot clobber, I argue is the right choice, or a backout+reland with CLOBBER touched
# [03:01] <@gavin> why?
# [03:01] <Callek> but generally touching CLOBBER and then retrigger+clobber is just as useful
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# [03:02] <Callek> gavin: if you're pushing only CLOBBER you never know what builds needed to be clobbered or what ones you care about
# [03:03] <Callek> CLOBBER is a hint to the build system that it needed a clobber, triggering builds based on build system hints, to me doesn't make sense
# [03:03] <Callek> you trigger builds based on code chanegs.
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# [03:03] <Callek> if theres a failure for a stupid machine reason, we retrigger
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# [03:04] <Callek> a clobber-needed *ever* imo is a "build system is stupid and not tracking deps right, machine needs a clobber, so mark it as such and retrigger"
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# [03:04] <Callek> gavin: you also don't do a push wait 2 hours after many others have pushed ontop, notice YOUR push needed a clobber, and just push a CLOBBER file change and call the day done, you should be retriggering your builds after pressing the "please clobber these machines releng"
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# [03:12] <dholbert> So the bad news is, m-i is still busted, apparently
# [03:12] <dholbert> but I think I might have a fix
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# [03:14] <Callek> dholbert: `find dom/ | for line in $STDIN; do if $line.length() > MAXPATH: rm -rf $line; done;` (pseudo-code)
# [03:14] <dholbert> Callek, I think we're talking about different issues
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# [03:14] <dholbert> I'm talking about https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=21665343&tree=Mozilla-Inbound
# [03:15] <dholbert> " unresolved external symbol "protected: __thiscall js::ion::ICGetElemNativeStub::~ICGetElemNativeStub(void)" (??1ICGetElemNativeStub@ion@js@@IAE@XZ)"
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# [03:15] <dholbert> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=735201&action=diff added a decl for that destructor this morning, without adding an impl (there is no impl)
# [03:15] <Callek> dholbert: I'm talking about the same actually
# [03:15] <Callek> graphics-w32-d-000000000000000:Clobbering...
# [03:15] <dholbert> I think we just need {} after the destructor decl
# [03:15] <Callek> Removing build/
# [03:15] <Callek> Couldn't clobber properly, bailing out.
# [03:15] <Callek> program finished with exit code 1
# [03:15] <Callek> show full log
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# [03:17] <dholbert> Callek, ah, I see. well, the unresolved external thing appears to be another also-bad issue, then
# [03:17] <dholbert> Callek, we get that far, despite not being able to clobber, apparently
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# [03:17] <Callek> basically I'm talking about an issue that doesn't show as prominently and might be a root cause of why your issue is still an issue
# [03:17] <Callek> but it could be an entirely different thing too
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# [03:22] <dholbert> Callek, might be connected, but I don't immediately see why/how
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# [03:23] <dholbert> Callek, anyway, I'll probably push a fix for the thing I was talking about in a bit, per https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=859446#c12
# [03:23] <dholbert> (have to go for a bit, though)
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# [03:33] <tbsaunde> dholbert|afk: why not remove the decls, I don't see what purpose there serving do you?
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# [03:41] <dholbert> tbsaunde, they're in the 'protected' section of the class, so they ensure that not just anybody can delete an instance of you
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# [03:42] <j4nu5> John-Galt: free?
# [03:42] <dholbert> tbsaunde, I didn't add them, though, so I can't speak to whether that was the intention; I just know that's one justification for having explicit empty destructors
# [03:42] <tbsaunde> froydnj: I don't suppose your till around?
# [03:42] <John-Galt> j4nu5: Yeah, I guess
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# [03:44] <j4nu5> John-Galt: ive sent you a mail at your mozilla id ... can you please take a look at it? thanks :)
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# [03:52] <John-Galt> j4nu5: I think you're over thinking things, and I also think it's too early to get into precise implementation details.
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# [03:52] <John-Galt> In the case of search and homepage preference changes, we're mainly interested in providing extensions with a mandatory opt-in UI. There's no need to keep track of every extension that's installed and what it wants the homepage to be.
# [03:54] <John-Galt> I'm also not entirely sure how your SQLite DB solves the problem of prefs.js changes, since installers can presumably change that too.
# [03:54] <markh> anyone recommend a channel to ask about computing attributes in the face of transitions? #layout, or somewhere else?
# [03:54] <tbsaunde> dholbert: yeah, fiar point
# [03:55] <j4nu5> John-Galt: hmm .. ok. so the home/search page should be set to the default when extensions are uninstalled?
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# [03:55] <John-Galt> j4nu5: They should, yes.
# [03:56] <@bz> hmm
# [03:56] <@bz> is the video for today's meeting working for anyone else?
# [03:57] <John-Galt> bz: Nope.
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# [03:59] <RyanVM> o hai, did I miss anything interesting this afternoon?
# [04:01] <dholbert> Yup, looks like this undefined destructor thing was an issue earlier today, too, and we retriggered a bunch of times and never fixed it
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# [04:02] <dholbert> Callek, here's an example of a log where were unable to clobber properly but things were fine: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=21649003&tree=Mozilla-Inbound (before the thing I'm talking about regressed)
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# [04:02] <j4nu5> John-Galt: for the sqlite idea, i actually took the lead from the mozilla gsoc ideas page ... IMHO wont a bulletproof solution be too expensive?
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# [04:04] <Callek> dholbert: sure, my point of course is that failing to clobber can mask an issue where we thought a clobber would have fixed it, didn't so now we dive in to try and guess what was wrong
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# [04:04] <dholbert> Callek, ah, ok. In this case I think the build failure is a distinct issue. but yeah, failing at clobbering is bad, generally
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# [04:09] <philor> RyanVM: if you want to do one more backout for the day, I'd like to see what inbound looks like after qbackout d0e0bc4ccff0, but I'm still an hour from a tree
# [04:09] <RyanVM> philor: sure
# [04:10] <RyanVM> what reason to give?
# [04:10] <Unfocused> hm, downloading nightly updates has been really slow for me lately :\ anyone know whats up with that? nthomas|away?
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# [04:10] <philor> RyanVM: "suspicion of Win PGO bustage"
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# [04:11] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/4705e2c47b2b - Ryan VanderMeulen - Backed out changeset d0e0bc4ccff0 (bug 859446) for suspicion of Windows PGO bustage on a CLOSED TREE.
# [04:12] <John-Galt> j4nu5: That's yet to be decided. The best candidate near-bulletproof suggestion so far has been to store changes via the update service where available. I don't think simply adding secondary SQLite preference storage really solves anything, though.
# [04:12] <dholbert> nooooo
# [04:12] <dholbert> noooo
# [04:12] <dholbert> RyanVM / philor, I was literally about to push a fix for that
# [04:12] <dholbert> (it's what I've been discussing above :))
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# [04:13] <philor> ah, didn't see that amongst the clobberin' talk
# [04:13] <dholbert> np
# [04:14] <terrence> dholbert: r+, btw
# [04:14] <dholbert> terrence, thanks :)
# [04:14] <RyanVM> hah, fail
# [04:14] <philor> nattokirai: no, not likely to be open until after a WinPGO's-worth of time after whenever dholbert pushes
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# [04:14] <terrence> dholbert: I flagged jandem for feedback, so he can freak out tomorrow if this is the wrong approach
# [04:14] <dholbert> philor, naw, I'm gonna just hold off
# [04:14] <dholbert> philor, it's not my patch anyway
# [04:14] <RyanVM> sorry dholbert, I blame the golf and beer for my blindly doing as philor tells me :P
# [04:15] <philor> or after it gets backed out from under him, either one
# [04:15] <dholbert> philor, so it was followup-or-backout
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# [04:15] <dholbert> philor, and given that it's backed out, I'll let the patch-author merge in my followup, try-test it, and re-push at his leisure
# [04:15] <dholbert> RyanVM, no problem :)
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# [04:15] <j4nu5> John-Galt: k ... is there a current developers thread or something where i can get more info on this? thanks ...
# [04:15] <dholbert> RyanVM, it doesn't take golf and beer for that to generally be a good course of action
# [04:15] <RyanVM> heh, very true
# [04:16] <RyanVM> i'm just happy that I played a reasonably passable round for literally being the first time I picked up the sticks this year
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# [04:16] <philor> so roughly 3.5 hours and then we'll see
# [04:16] <dholbert> hmm actually... I suspect it's not possible to a Try run for Win 7 pgo, is it?
# [04:16] <dholbert> http://trychooser.pub.build.mozilla.org/ doesn't mention pgo anywhere
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# [04:17] <philor> https://wiki.mozilla.org/ReleaseEngineering/TryChooser#What_if_I_want_PGO_for_my_build
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# [04:18] <RyanVM> dholbert: yeah, you have to do it the hard way
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# [04:18] <@bz> hrm
# [04:19] <@bz> why does airmo use <video> in fx20 but demand flash on tip?
# [04:19] <@bz> Or does it only do flash for streams?
# [04:19] <@bz> (I mean live streams)
# [04:19] <njn> who knows about how SPS's sampling works?
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# [04:20] <John-Galt> j4nu5: Sorry, no, it's been discussed a lot of times, but not in one place.
# [04:21] <j4nu5> John-Galt: k .. ill see what i can find ... thanks :)
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# [04:22] <dholbert> philor, did you give someone else access to your keyboard in https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=860503#c3 ? That sounds far too cheery to be you. :)
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# [04:31] <njn> BenWa: ping
# [04:31] <BenWa> njn: pong
# [04:31] <njn> BenWa: what controls SPS's rate of sampling?
# [04:32] <njn> there's some kind of timer, obviously -- how is it impleemnted?
# [04:32] <BenWa> njn: by default 1ms on desktop in most places
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# [04:32] <BenWa> njn: while(true) { sleep(1ms); tgkill(pthread_handle); }
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# [04:33] <njn> BenWa: running on it's own thread, presumably... can you point me to the exact code?
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# [04:33] <BenWa> sure
# [04:33] <BenWa> njn: What platform?
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# [04:33] <njn> BenWa: what have you got? :)
# [04:33] <njn> Linux, ideally, to start...
# [04:34] <BenWa> njn: The code is cloned for each platform. I'd like to share it a bit more but it's not shared much ATM
# [04:34] <njn> that's ok
# [04:34] <BenWa> njn: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/tools/profiler/platform-linux.cc#168 Runs in the Sampler Thread
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# [04:34] <BenWa> njn: What are you looking into changing?
# [04:34] <njn> BenWa: oh, SPS runs on Linux now?
# [04:35] <njn> BenWa: not changing SPS, but implementing a new memory profiling thingy
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# [04:35] <njn> to find peak memory usage
# [04:35] <BenWa> njn: It always has, but it's got a fork() problem we're working on fixing
# [04:35] <njn> which requires doing periodic measurements
# [04:35] <BenWa> njn: Ahh. I've been wanting to use TraceMalloc to profile memory allocations
# [04:35] <njn> BenWa: tracemalloc is kind of icky
# [04:35] <BenWa> but sounds like you want to do something simpler
# [04:36] <njn> BenWa: yeah, just measure RSS every 1/N seconds
# [04:36] <njn> BenWa: DMD would be a better place to start looking that tracemalloc for profiling allocations
# [04:36] <BenWa> njn: Is RSS reading signal safe?
# [04:37] <njn> BenWa: the code is much more modern-style C++, and uses glandium's malloc-replacement
# [04:37] <njn> BenWa: on Linux you just read /proc/self/statm
# [04:37] <BenWa> Err yes. that's what I meant
# [04:37] <njn> BenWa: I assume it's thread-safe...
# [04:37] <BenWa> Yes but that's not safe to read from within a signal handler I believe
# [04:37] <njn> oh right
# [04:37] <BenWa> I know we used to use proc/self/maps which was a problem before
# [04:38] <njn> BenWa: it was a problem to read it from the signal handler?
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# [04:38] <BenWa> I think it was a potential problem but we never ran into it
# [04:38] <BenWa> So it may be safe but we weren't sure
# [04:39] <BenWa> njn: This is what you want to do I think: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/tools/profiler/TableTicker.cpp#428
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# [04:39] <BenWa> You want to add a tag with the current value of RSS
# [04:39] <BenWa> This is added to each sample
# [04:40] <njn> BenWa: are you suggesting I piggy-back this onto SPS?
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# [04:40] <njn> my sampling is likely to be much less frequent, e.g. 10 Hz or lower
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# [04:40] <BenWa> njn: Well I'd certainly like it. We've talked about adding system stats to profile but no one has done the work
# [04:41] <BenWa> njn: you could start with sampling it for each sample, even turn down the sampling to 10ms
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# [04:41] <BenWa> njn: The benefit of using the profiler is you get an idea of what the program is doing while the memory is spiking
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# [04:42] <njn> BenWa: what I really want to do is this: measure RSS a few times per second, and each time it hits a new peak that is sufficiently large than the previous heap, trigger a full memory report dump to file
# [04:42] <njn> s/heap/peak/
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# [04:43] <njn> and this peak-finding mode needs an on/off switch, clearly
# [04:43] <BenWa> njn: Is this a one off thing or is it useful to maintain?
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# [04:44] <njn> BenWa: unclear, but hopefully useful to maintain
# [04:44] <BenWa> njn: Can you call me on vidyo quickly?
# [04:44] <njn> BenWa: I'm happy with a prototype implementation to begin with
# [04:44] <njn> sure
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# [05:08] <sankha93> felipe: ping!
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# [05:10] <felipe> sankha93: pong
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# [05:10] <sankha93> felipe: I wanted to know more about the autosuggest search engine GSoC project
# [05:11] <felipe> sankha93: ok
# [05:12] <felipe> sankha93: do you have any specific questions?
# [05:12] <sankha93> felipe: the initial part of the project would be implement something like this? https://wiki.mozilla.org/Search_Service:Code_Design#Automatic_Detection
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# [05:13] <felipe> sankha93: yeah, that would be the main goal of the project: to get to a working version of that algorithm implemented
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# [05:14] <sankha93> felipe: okay, but that also means that we would need to run this algorithm on all form submits, just to check that if it is a search form or not?
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# [05:15] <felipe> sankha93: yeah, that's right
# [05:16] <felipe> but that shouldn't be a problem
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# [05:17] <sankha93> felipe: oh!
# [05:17] <sankha93> what if that site doesn't have a opensearch defined, do we generate it ourself?
# [05:18] <felipe> sankha93: yeah that's the goal of the project, to do that for websites without opensearch
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# [05:19] <sankha93> felipe: will this be mostly in JS, or need some changes to the C++ backend as well?
# [05:20] <felipe> sankha93: we want to detect a pattern of that website being used for search (e.g. various different inputs used in the same field), and generate something like an opensearch entry for it
# [05:20] <felipe> sankha93: mostly JS and some SQLite too
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# [05:21] <sankha93> felipe: can you point me to the relevant sources from where we can start implementing this feature? :)
# [05:22] <felipe> yeah, i'll send a PM
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# [05:22] <sankha93> okay, thanks! :)
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# [05:35] <Callek> ehsan: who would!
# [05:36] <@ehsan> not sure tbh
# [05:36] <Callek> ehsan: I'm going to need to restart for a win update, and I want to preserve as much state as I can for this actual issue
# [05:36] <@ehsan> ttaubert perhaps
# [05:36] <Callek> ehsan: for what its worth, as a matter of course, I'd prefer if "not me, sorry" was accompanied with a needinfo redirect or something
# [05:37] * philor wants a pony
# [05:37] <Callek> just clearing it and leaving things to language is (imho) bad form
# [05:37] <Callek> philor: I have 2
# [05:37] <@ehsan> a unicorn too ;)
# [05:37] <@ehsan> Callek: ttaubert was cced right?
# [05:37] <Callek> oooooo missed that alex needinfo'd both of you
# [05:38] <@ehsan> yeah
# [05:38] <Callek> ignore my mini-rant then
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# [05:42] <sankha93> what is the relevant source that adds a search engine to firefox?
# [05:42] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/1422a858262d - Cykesiopka - Bug 852295 - Allow Lightweight Themes in Permanent Private Browsing. r=dao a=akeybl
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# [05:57] <njn> BenWa: how do I create a new thread?
# [05:59] <njn> BenWa: just pthread_create, looks like it
# [05:59] <BenWa> njn: Not sure I understand. Using pthread: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/tools/profiler/platform-linux.cc#257
# [05:59] <njn> BenWa: yeah, I was wondering if there was a Mozilla way to do it
# [05:59] <BenWa> njn: You could use nspr
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# [06:01] <njn> Mook: a pretty vanilla thread, I think
# [06:01] <njn> Mook: what kind have you got?
# [06:01] <Mook> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/xpcom/threads/nsIThreadManager.idl#25 ?
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# [08:23] <tbsaunde> philor: have an eta on pgo builds?
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# [08:24] <philor> tbsaunde: not a good one, my theory was about 30 minutes ago, I must have been going off a non-clobber time
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# [08:24] <KWierso|Home> tbpl says 17 minutes to go
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# [08:26] <KWierso|Home> based on https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Mozilla-Inbound&rev=621656e9b09d 's results
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# [08:28] <philor> "Couldn't clobber properly, bailing out."
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# [08:33] <markh> to: /dev/null
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# [08:35] <philor> probably, I type at least five replies for every one I actually send
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# [08:36] <philor> "you're solving a problem which no longer exists, in a way which wouldn't have solved it when it did exist; instead you need to solve a problem you cannot solve"
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# [08:37] <tbsaunde> philor: what is that about?
# [08:37] <ewong> lol
# [08:37] <ewong> philor I needed that.. thanks!
# [08:38] <philor> tbsaunde: inbound closures, capacity, coalescing
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# [08:39] <philor> but, it can't be solved and what's the point?
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# [08:40] <philor> there is no time machine to undo the 24+ hour try backlogs, or to undo the effects of telling people to run fewer builds and tests than they need
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# [08:41] <philor> if an angel pulled up to the colo tomorrow with five times the current number of try slaves, it would still take 6-9 months to undo those, because we hold grudges rather than looking at how things currently actually are
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# [08:44] <philor> or longer, I still think Android is total crap, even though I'm staring obsessively at a push where it is pure green, far far better than desktop Win and Mac
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# [08:44] <tbsaunde> philor: yeah, so what is your alternative? suffering and pain?
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# [08:46] <philor> not coincidentally, that's what I have tattooed on my knuckles - luckily, my left hand has nine fingers
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# [08:47] <tbsaunde> hah
# [08:48] <philor> tbsaunde: but no, my alternative is to go full speed on increasing capacity, even when it means telling the golden child b2g "sorry, no, we can't give you even more tests that you will ignore by day after tomorrow," to go back to trying to gofaster, and to stop telling people to run less than they need on try
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# [08:49] <tbsaunde> philor: that seems reasonable
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# [09:05] <glandium> NeilAway: chrome format changes?
# [09:06] <glandium> ah
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# [09:07] <heycam> it is about that time
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# [09:08] <philor> okay, inbound's open
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# [09:09] <KWierso|Home> quick, you have ten minutes before it re-closes!
# [09:09] <KWierso|Home> :)
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# [09:10] <philor> fortunately, we learned our lesson from that 12 hour closure
# [09:10] <glandium> philor: what happened?
# [09:10] <philor> and now we'll, we'll uh, we...
# [09:11] <glandium> NeilAway: announced on dev-platform on Jan 23, subject "New packaging code", but google groups doesn't want to find it
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# [09:11] <philor> glandium: a push broke Win PGO, it looked like a clobber might fix it, the clobberer has become incapable of clobbering Windows, bustage landed, bustage landed, bustage landed, bustage landed, we still couldn't clobber, Win PGO was still busted
# [09:12] * nattokirai has decided inbound needs some cuddle time. will wait to push later...
# [09:12] <ewong> 12 hour closure? ouch
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# [09:12] <philor> yeah, end-to-end time bites, when everyone piles on bustage and you have to wait out a full cycle
# [09:13] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/a3b06580a0da - Mark Hammond - Bug 859230 - fix windowless docshell crash by returning object with strong ref to the browser. r=bz
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# [09:13] <glandium> philor: and in the end, was it a clobber?
# [09:13] <philor> there's half the slots for "most likely to be the next bustage" filled!
# [09:13] <philor> glandium: nope, it was a backout
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# [09:13] <KWierso|Home> glandium/neilaway: this? https://groups.google.com/forum/#!search/new$20packaging$20code|sort:date/mozilla.dev.platform/uFSkJQdguPo/m-sFdgXnsCMJ
# [09:14] * KWierso|Home had to search "all groups", not just dev.platform
# [09:14] <glandium> KWierso|Home: yeah, that
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# [09:14] <markh> that push doesn't touch the "chat" code, so it's probably safe!
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# [09:20] <philor> oh, hey, my shift's already over, we're into the lawless two hours
# [09:21] <halfie> glandium, thanks for the update on https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=857628
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# [09:22] <glandium> halfie: i won't be looking at what's going on with these failures in the near future, though
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# [09:23] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/63f2b10a44e2 - Randell Jesup - Bug 830100: Avoid deadlocks by sending packets asynchronously r=ekr
# [09:23] <halfie> glandium, wondering how ubuntu guys enabled hardening without such problems (or did they ignore the problems?)?
# [09:23] <glandium> halfie: maybe they just don't know.
# [09:24] <glandium> i'm not sure they actually run those tests
# [09:24] <glandium> chrisccoulson: ^
# [09:24] <halfie> glandium, that sound likely ;)
# [09:24] <halfie> and fitting to Ubuntu name :P
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# [09:25] <tbsaunde> glandium: good one with the dev-platform comment :) I didn't know how to put that
# [09:25] <chrisccoulson> which tests?
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# [09:26] <chrisccoulson> glandium, we run all the mochitests and haven't seen any issues specific to plugin-container
# [09:27] <glandium> chrisccoulson: you're building pie?
# [09:27] <chrisccoulson> glandium, yeah
# [09:27] <glandium> ah, but it only happens on debug builds for me on try
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# [09:27] <glandium> which wouldn't matter for ubuntu
# [09:27] <NeilAway> glandium: ah, that long ago, no wonder I couldn't find it
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# [09:28] <NeilAway> KWierso|Home: sorry, I use a real news reader
# [09:28] <chrisccoulson> glandium, yeah, we don't do debug builds
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# [09:28] <glob> pardon my ignorance, but what is this PIE you speak of?
# [09:28] <glob> (it's a hard one to google for!)
# [09:28] <glandium> glob: it's not a lie, like the cake
# [09:28] <KWierso|Home> strawberry
# [09:29] <glandium> glob: position independent executable
# [09:29] <glob> glandium, thanks :)
# [09:29] <chrisccoulson> glob, i'm a big fan of pie
# [09:30] <glob> chrisccoulson, you should talk to jmaher
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# [09:31] <glandium> KWierso|Home: http://xkcd.com/327/ ?
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# [09:31] <KWierso|Home> glandium: more like "enter username and email address into the 'forgot password' form, get a popup with that account's password in plaintext"
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# [09:32] <glandium> KWierso|Home: waw
# [09:32] <chrisccoulson> glandium, here's a list of tests that we do have problems with though: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bugs?field.tag=moz-test-failure
# [09:32] <chrisccoulson> although some of those are actually test-environment related
# [09:32] <glandium> glob: is it possible to do a search on bugs that have no comments containing a certain string?
# [09:32] <chrisccoulson> but unfortunately, i'm no longer working on this really
# [09:33] <glob> glandium, i don't think so
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# [09:33] <glandium> chrisccoulson: if you're not running the tests under gnome, that could explain at least some
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# [09:34] <glandium> glob: :( that would be extremely useful to track bugs not landed on inbound
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# [09:34] <glandium> we really ought to have a better integration between bugzilla and mercurial
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# [09:35] <KWierso|Home> well, playing with the concept of the github hooks, since they're written in ruby, and I don't know ruby...
# [09:36] <Wraithan> KWierso|Home: copy paste existing ones that are as similar as you can get
# [09:36] <Wraithan> that us what I do
# [09:36] <KWierso|Home> heh
# [09:36] <KWierso|Home> yeah
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# [09:37] <KWierso|Home> but yeah, addon sdk has hooks set up so if a commit includes "bug XXX", it will automatically comment in that bug with the commit details
# [09:38] <KWierso|Home> and if the commit includes "fix bug xxx", it will automatically resolve that bug :)
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# [09:38] <chrisccoulson> glandium, yeah, the tests aren't using a full gnome session. we use a stripped down session that just starts gnome-settings-daemon and metacity (so, no shell or any other bits)
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# [09:52] <glandium> NeilAway: i don't understand your mail
# [09:52] <glob> happy bmo push day! http://globau.wordpress.com/2013/04/11/happy-bmo-push-day-40/
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# [09:56] <Unfocused> \o/ bug 148564
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# [09:58] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/76c52c1ca95a - Jan de Mooij - Bug 859446 - Fix GCC warnings from baseline compiler merge. r=bhackett
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# [10:02] <smontagu> MOZ_CRASH : MOZ_ASSERT :: NS_ERROR : NS_ASSERTION?
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# [10:04] <halfie> glandium, so what do you think about the PIE bug? does downstream (Fedora) needs to carry the burden of patching Firefox since upstream doesn't want to break debug builds?
# [10:04] <halfie> maybe a condition can be added which says if we are making debug builds then disable PIE. doesn't look like a good idea though.
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# [10:05] <glandium> halfie: i'd rather know what's going on before going any further
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# [10:06] <chrisccoulson> are we the only ones using it?
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# [10:06] <halfie> glandium, I see, it makes sense to see actually what is breaking and how exactly.
# [10:06] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/1381f98f22f5 - Gabor Krizsanits - Bug 851695 - PreCreate for BackstagePass. r=bholley
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# [10:06] <glandium> chrisccoulson: fedora is apparently patching for pie too
# [10:07] <glandium> at least that what halfie seems to be saying
# [10:07] <halfie> glandium, not exactly
# [10:07] <halfie> I have proposed to do it but they might not to it after all, glandium
# [10:07] <halfie> s/not to it/not do it
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# [10:08] <halfie> chrisccoulson, I would like to see Fedora shipping PIE enabled Firefox just like Ubuntu.
# [10:10] <chrisccoulson> halfie, it's probably the only sensible thing we do ;)
# [10:10] <KWierso|Home> glob: where's the mozilla theme for bmo located, out of curiosity?
# [10:10] <halfie> chrisccoulson, heh :D
# [10:10] <glob> KWierso|Home, located?
# [10:10] <KWierso|Home> the repository for it?
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# [10:11] <glob> KWierso|Home, http://bzr.mozilla.org/bmo/4.2/files/head:/skins/contrib/Mozilla/
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# [10:11] <KWierso|Home> glob: thanks :)
# [10:11] <halfie> latest benchmarks, https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2013-April/181170.html
# [10:11] <halfie> regarding PIE builds
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# [10:29] <glob> KWierso|Home, thanks for the patch! also, lol @ ".. as there are no resolved bugs in the Sandstone component"
# [10:29] <KWierso|Home> well, there's some dupes I see, but nothing fixed :)
# [10:30] <glob> KWierso|Home, yeah, priorities have swung elsewhere unfortunately. i'm fine to review that
# [10:30] <NeilAway> glandium: there's a rule in suite/app/Makefile.in that only triggers for omnijar builds
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# [10:31] <glandium> NeilAway: MOZ_OMNIJAR is still defined
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# [10:34] <NeilAway> glandium: http://mxr.mozilla.org/comm-central/source/suite/app/Makefile.in#143
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# [10:34] <NeilAway> glandium: I don't want that, so I need to build with --enable-chrome-format=flat which gives me the same affect as =symlink used to
# [10:34] <NeilAway> *effect
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# [10:35] <glandium> NeilAway: and how exactly is that a problem?
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# [10:36] <NeilAway> glandium: the behaviour of distributed extensions and in-tree extensions is completely different
# [10:36] <glandium> NeilAway: i mean, what difference does it make with the old behaviour that would be a problem?
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# [10:37] <NeilAway> glandium: I'm not sure what you're asking
# [10:37] <NeilAway> glandium: the behaviour of =omni hasn't changed
# [10:38] <NeilAway> glandium: except on Windows, the behaviour of =flat is now the same as =symlink used to behave
# [10:38] <glandium> on windows, =symlink was =flat
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# [10:38] <glandium> so on windows, =flat is like =flat was
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# [10:39] <NeilAway> glandium: right, but on non-windows, =flat is what =symlink was
# [10:40] <glandium> NeilAway: and how is that a problem?
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# [10:41] <NeilAway> glandium: hmm, maybe I misinterpreted your post
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# [10:42] <NeilAway> glandium: but I can't recommend =omni for anyone wanting to test changes to SeaMonkey's Modern theme
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# [10:43] <glandium> NeilAway: that being said, that ifdef MOZ_OMNIJAR snippet should really not be depending on omnijar
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# [10:51] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/0bdd532aab3d - Alessandro Decina - Bug 853325 - Improve buffered time ranges accuracy with the GStreamer media backend r=doublec
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# [11:15] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/e1336dc1f555 - Jonathan Watt - Bug 859305 - Stop the browser app from panning the page when the user drags an <input type=range>'s thumb in the out-of-process case. r=smaug
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# [11:34] <aja> Unfocused: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=855452#c4
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# [11:45] <Unfocused> aja: huh
# [11:46] <Unfocused> works fine for me on jamun, which is based on UX
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# [11:47] <Unfocused> anything in the error console on startup that you culd paste into the bug?
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# [11:52] <aja> Unfocused: dunno....didn't see way to show error console in it either
# [11:53] <Unfocused> aja: ctrl-shift-j (the menuitem is hidden unless you flip a hidden pref)
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# [11:55] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/e61a6b209a8e - calbld - Added tag CALENDAR_2_3b1_RELEASE for changeset default. CLOSED TREE a=release
# [11:55] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/905be9f138e1 - calbld - Added tag CALENDAR_2_3b1_BUILD1 for changeset default. CLOSED TREE a=release
# [11:56] <aja> Unfocused: toggled devtools.errorconsole.enabled;true....and still nada
# [11:57] * glazou fights with the new langpacks organization
# [11:58] <Unfocused> aja: iirc, it won't show up until a restart. and it should appear in firefox menu -> web developer -> error console (just above get More Tools)
# [11:59] <aja> Unfocused: not there though....but toggled pref is remembered
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# [12:00] * Unfocused shrugs
# [12:01] <Unfocused> the shortcut should work regardless, though
# [12:01] <aja> Unfocused: think i read that error console ui was going away in favor of an enhanced web console....related?
# [12:01] <Unfocused> yea, but that hasn't happened yet
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# [12:01] <aja> didn't think so
# [12:03] <aja> Unfocused: gonna try a new profile...brb
# [12:03] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/8ce65f4eb1ba - Gabor Krizsanits - Bug 820170 - Wrapping nodes into documents compartment. r=bholley, r=enn
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# [12:06] <Callek> Unfocused: if ttaubert isn't a good candidate can you look or find someone to look at Bug 859025 -- before I'm forced to restart due to this windows update that prompts every 4 hours
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# [12:06] <Callek> or my ever increasingly slowdowns in my aurora itself that is likely due to combinations of big websites, the sheer amount of tabs/mem I use in a session, and leaks in flash
# [12:07] <glazou> Unfocused: a make in toolkit/ does not build toolkit/mozapps/extensions automatically any more?
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# [12:07] <Unfocused> glazou: it better
# [12:07] <glazou> so there is something I have missed here
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# [12:08] <Callek> glazou: are you forgetting to do the package to roll it back into omnijar?
# [12:08] <glazou> share?
# [12:08] <Unfocused> Callek: alas, i know very little about panorama - nor who knows that area these days
# [12:08] <Callek> Unfocused: I remember aza raszkin (sp?) did
# [12:08] <firebot> The dictionary service is not accessible right now, sorry.
# [12:08] <ttaubert> I do but I can't reproduce that failure :)
# [12:08] <ttaubert> Callek: ^
# [12:08] <Callek> but alas he became an euntrapenuer
# [12:09] <Unfocused> (and after just recently getting out of hospital again, i really need to get to sleep now-ish)
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# [12:09] <Callek> ttaubert: is there ANYTHING i can do in my running session to help you diagnose
# [12:09] <Unfocused> Callek: yea... aza hasn't been around in years
# [12:09] <ttaubert> Callek: did you disable any add-ons? tried in safe mode?
# [12:09] <Callek> ttaubert: including anything executed in error console/js console and even dumping direct to a debugger
# [12:09] <glazou> panorama still exists?
# [12:09] <ttaubert> sure
# [12:09] <Callek> ttaubert: I haven't restarted since I hit it so that I can provide "as exists" info
# [12:10] <ttaubert> Callek: I see
# [12:10] <ttaubert> hmm
# [12:10] <ttaubert> let me think
# [12:10] <Callek> my Aurora had already been up for a few days when I noticed it, so wasn't sure *when* it struck, if it was from moment 0 or what
# [12:10] <aja> Unfocused: busted with brand new profile, too. no extensions, all plugins disabled, no added services
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# [12:11] <Callek> ttaubert: only extension relating to tabs I had was "Tab Stats" which is restartless, and I've disabled it to no luck in getting things fixed
# [12:11] <Unfocused> aja: *shrug* no idea. add that to the bug?
# [12:11] <ttaubert> Callek: hm ok
# [12:11] <Callek> ttaubert: I also have test pilot enabled, but I don't remember any tab-related studies going on
# [12:11] <aja> k
# [12:11] <Callek> beyond that only other extensions, which are very very very unlikely to cause this: about:accessibilityenabled, chatzilla, mass password reset password reuse visualizer
# [12:11] <Unfocused> Callek: why do you assume a restartless addon isn't buggy enough to undo all its changes by disabling it? :)
# [12:12] <ttaubert> Callek: what value has 'TabView._window' in chrome context (try with the scratchpad or something)
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# [12:12] <Callek> Unfocused: I don't, but is why I still mentioned it
# [12:13] <Callek> ttaubert: how do I launch the scratchpad so it gets window as the XULWindow object in chrome perms, rather than the _content window
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# [12:13] <Callek> (I haven't done client side dev in a few years, so I'm a bit out of practice here)
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# [12:14] <ttaubert> Callek: there is an 'Environment' menu if you enable 'devtools.chrome.enabled'
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# [12:14] <ttaubert> I think that needs a restart so... :(
# [12:14] * Callek does that
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# [12:17] <Callek> ttaubert: so it let me mark it as browser context, however when I execute TabView or TabView._window no output is printed to the scratchpad (or error console)
# [12:17] <ttaubert> hm
# [12:17] <ttaubert> Cmd + L?
# [12:17] <Callek> ttaubert: ahh there we go
# [12:17] <Callek> TabView._window is null, TabView does exist as an object
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# [12:18] <ttaubert> ok, so _window is the panorama iframe that's not initialized for whatever reason then
# [12:18] <ttaubert> Callek: what about TabView._initialized?
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# [12:18] <Callek> ttaubert: true
# [12:18] <ttaubert> darn
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# [12:19] <ttaubert> oh no wait that's still a possible state
# [12:19] <aja> Unfocused: added to bug as per your request
# [12:19] <ttaubert> Callek: Tabview.show()?
# [12:19] <ttaubert> TabView.show()
# [12:19] * Callek presumes to Run that one, not just ctrl+L
# [12:19] <ttaubert> that's the same
# [12:19] <ttaubert> :)
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# [12:20] <Callek> ttaubert: return val of |undefined| and no change in UI
# [12:20] <ttaubert> ok
# [12:20] <Callek> (I also don't see an error in Error Console, not sure if that is expected for this codepath)
# [12:20] <ttaubert> Callek: TabView._iframe?
# [12:20] <Callek> ttaubert: Object XULElement
# [12:20] <ttaubert> aha
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# [12:21] <ttaubert> Callek: TabView._initFrameCallbacks.length?
# [12:21] <ttaubert> TabView._isFrameLoading?
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# [12:21] <Callek> 21 ---- true
# [12:21] <Callek> respectively
# [12:21] <ttaubert> 21
# [12:21] <ttaubert> nice
# [12:22] <ttaubert> Callek: so we started loading the panorama iframe
# [12:22] <ttaubert> but it never loaded for some reason
# [12:22] <ttaubert> your data will still be there
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# [12:22] <Callek> ttaubert: so session store won't have ripped it out by not finding it, for example?
# [12:23] <ttaubert> Callek: no, it shouldn't. it's like you never opened Panorama
# [12:23] <ttaubert> Callek: you can make a backup of sessionstore.js to be on the safe side if you want
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# [12:23] <ttaubert> Callek: would be interesting to know why it didn't get loaded probably...
# [12:23] <Callek> ttaubert: is there anything useful to gain from this exploratory to a "should track for 22 " or "I see what could cause this, [easy|hard|not-worth-it] fix"
# [12:24] <ttaubert> Callek: if you have a couple more minutes we could try to investigate the iframe's state
# [12:24] <Callek> ttaubert: I do have a few more minutes (I'm going on ~22 hours since waking up though so its also just as well if I put myself to bed and pickup later/tomorrow with you)
# [12:24] <Callek> I don't mind going a day or two more before restart
# [12:25] <ttaubert> oh god, yeah you should sleep :)
# [12:25] <Callek> ttaubert: my main concern here is that it doesn't strike legit other users, and/or at least identifying that it is a very rare situation/etc
# [12:25] <ttaubert> Callek: never heard of a problem like that until now
# [12:25] <Callek> ttaubert: especially as early in said release cycle as possible ;-)
# [12:25] <ttaubert> would be best to figure out why it's not loaded yet
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# [12:25] <ttaubert> and I'm sure we didn't change anything in the last weeks
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# [12:26] <Callek> ttaubert: this is my first install since the aurora uplift fwiw
# [12:26] <Callek> I tend to restart and take updates about once every 1-2 weeks
# [12:26] <ttaubert> Callek: hm. ok. let's investigate later when caught some sleep :) I'll note our findings in the bug
# [12:27] <Callek> ttaubert: if there is any quick stuff you think can be useful as-is thats fine
# [12:27] <Callek> (I feel wide awake, but I do know if I don't sleep I'm going to regret it :-)
# [12:27] <ttaubert> heh, I know that state
# [12:27] <ttaubert> Callek: TabView._iframe.src?
# [12:27] <Callek> ttaubert: undefined
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# [12:28] <ttaubert> Callek: oops. TabView._iframe.getAttribute("src")
# [12:28] <Callek> chrome://browser/content/tabview.html
# [12:28] <ttaubert> hm ok that's correct
# [12:29] <ttaubert> Callek: TabView._iframe.contentDocument.readyState
# [12:29] <Callek> ttaubert: complete
# [12:30] <ttaubert> Callek: TabView._iframe.contentWindow.UI._frameInitialized
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# [12:30] <Callek> Exception: TabView._iframe.contentWindow.UI is undefined
# [12:30] <ttaubert> ok, interesting
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# [12:32] <ttaubert> Callek: ok then .... what does TabView._iframe.contentDocument.documentElement.innerHTML give you? there could be a lot of personal data in there. does it look like it could be the Panorama page?
# [12:32] <ttaubert> maybe it's an error page?
# [12:33] <Callek> ttaubert: content was safe for pastebin: http://callek.pastebin.mozilla.org/2294549
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# [12:33] <ttaubert> Callek: very interesting. looks like tabview.js got never loaded/executed
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# [12:33] <ttaubert> otherwise "UI" would be defined
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# [12:34] <ttaubert> Callek: I don't think there's much more to find out about the 'why' here, unfortunately
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# [12:36] <Callek> ttaubert: so looking at http://mxr.mozilla.org/comm-aurora/source/mozilla/browser/components/tabview/tabview.js and TabView._iframe.contentWindow.gWindow this looks real strange
# [12:36] <Callek> (gWindow is undefined in my test)
# [12:36] <Yoric> !seen mak
# [12:36] <Callek> ttaubert: oooo even "better"
# [12:36] <firebot> mak was last seen 15 hours, 6 minutes and 35 seconds ago, saying 'thing, too... I blame khuey for the typo' in #developers.
# [12:36] <Callek> TabView._iframe.contentWindow.tabviewString
# [12:36] <Callek> /*
# [12:36] <Callek> function tabviewString(name) /* use strict */ tabviewBundle.GetStringFromName('tabview.' + name)
# [12:37] <Callek> */
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# [12:37] <Yoric> ttaubert: ping^H^H^H^Hsnap!
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# [12:37] <ttaubert> Callek: wat? :)
# [12:38] <ttaubert> Callek: did it just stop loading in the middle somewhere?
# [12:38] <Callek> ttaubert: so gWindow is undef, however the function not far above it exists
# [12:39] <ttaubert> yeah
# [12:39] <ttaubert> Yoric: pong
# [12:40] <Callek> gPrefBranch doesn't exist, |TabView._iframe.contentWindow.XPCOMUtils| is also undef
# [12:40] <edmorley> who should I ask for a work reference for a rental property?
# [12:40] <Callek> ttaubert: this is looking more and more (to me) like a refcount error in the JS engine, possibly from a mem pressure, or CC/GC
# [12:41] <Callek> s/JS Engine/Our backend/
# [12:41] <ttaubert> Callek: func defs are hoisted so there may have been an error when loading a JSM maybe? the error console doesn't keep everything and that might have disappeared already
# [12:41] <Callek> yea :(
# [12:41] <Callek> let me see if I can load these JSM's manually ;-)
# [12:41] <ttaubert> :)
# [12:42] <Callek> (Cu exists and maps right)
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# [12:42] <ttaubert> Callek: you could also remove and append tabview.js as a script again maybe
# [12:42] <Callek> ttaubert: sure, I'm just trying to see if these Cu.import's work
# [12:42] <ttaubert> ok
# [12:42] <Callek> if it does, I'd say we comment my findings I restart tomorrow and test
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# [12:43] <Callek> if it works, we reso/incomplete (imho)
# [12:43] <ttaubert> ok
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# [12:43] <Callek> ttaubert: ahh this looks suspicious:
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# [12:44] <Callek> TabView._iframe.contentWindow.Cu.import("resource:///gre/modules/Services.jsm");
# [12:44] <Callek> /*Exception: Component returned failure code: 0x80520012 (NS_ERROR_FILE_NOT_FOUND) [nsIXPCComponents_Utils.import] */
# [12:44] <ttaubert> hm
# [12:44] <ttaubert> why could that be
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# [12:45] <Callek> (I should note if Services.jsm was truely gone I wouldn't be complaining about panorama alone)
# [12:45] <ttaubert> yeah
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# [12:45] <ttaubert> that's pretty basic
# [12:45] <ttaubert> :)
# [12:45] <ttaubert> try resource://gre
# [12:45] <ttaubert> instead of ///gre
# [12:46] <Callek> ok that worked
# [12:46] <ttaubert> so the path is wrong
# [12:46] <Callek> ooo duh, it is // in the file
# [12:46] <Callek> I just copy/pasted wrong
# [12:46] <ttaubert> oh
# [12:46] <ttaubert> =)
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# [12:48] <ttaubert> Callek: so how about http://pastebin.mozilla.org/2294612 ?
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# [12:48] <incorelabs> GSOC ?
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# [12:49] <Callek> afaict it didn't help at all
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# [12:49] <incorelabs> y so?
# [12:49] <ttaubert> no errors?
# [12:49] <ttaubert> in the console?
# [12:50] <Callek> just "undefined"
# [12:50] <ttaubert> I mean the error console?
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# [12:51] <Callek> nothing in there either
# [12:51] <ttaubert> meh
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# [12:53] <Callek> ttaubert: so yes the iQ function exists, but rsingleTag is undef
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# [12:53] <Callek> ttaubert: its almost like it parsed the file but never *ran* the file
# [12:54] <ttaubert> that's really strange
# [12:55] <Callek> ttaubert: so yea, iQClass exists, I can get a dump of its initializing function body, but none of the methods as expressed with .prototype exist on it
# [12:55] <Callek> ttaubert: (e.g. .toString is native-code)
# [12:55] <ttaubert> hm
# [12:55] <ttaubert> so probably a platform hiccup?
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# [12:56] <Callek> ttaubert: I can't really think of any legit reason for this unless it was some weird issue with sec contexts
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# [12:57] <Callek> beyond that it could be a brief memory corruption on my laptop, but I havent seen any other signs of such, so I would be surprised, but I think my need to tie you up is basically gone now, I'll plan to restart in the next day or two, update my aurora and re-test
# [12:57] <Callek> ttaubert: are you willing to enumerate what we found in the bug (in better words than I)
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# [12:58] <ttaubert> Callek: sure, I'll do
# [12:58] <Callek> (if after restart it still has issues it sure will warrent closer look(s) with broader tests/people, imho -- but thats about all the reasonable debugging we should do for one person, with one instance)
# [12:59] <ttaubert> yeah, I hope it doesn't happen again
# [12:59] <ttaubert> :)
# [13:02] <Callek> ttaubert: either way I do think it was valuable for us to look into it, while it is happening, rather than worry about me trying to reproduce some obscure way to trigger it ;-)
# [13:02] <ttaubert> Callek: yes, I agree
# [13:02] <Callek> Thank you again for your time!
# [13:04] <ttaubert> Callek: sure! ty for keeping the state around all the time :)
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# [13:34] <glandium> Callek: you don't sleep a lot, do you?
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# [13:35] <Ms2ger> Can't sleep, the build system will eat me?
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# [13:40] <hsivonen> is the build supposed to support a --disable-webrtc option?
# [13:41] <glandium> hsivonen: yes
# [13:41] <hsivonen> glandium: ok. thanks.
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# [13:41] <hsivonen> I guess the build system can't figure out on its own what it needs to rebuild when stuff like that changes
# [13:42] <glandium> hsivonen: in theory, it should rebuild everything
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# [13:42] <glandium> but there are some things that are not working properly
# [13:42] <hsivonen> glandium: the theory didn't match practice :-(
# [13:43] <glandium> hsivonen: theory matches practice, theoretically
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# [13:43] <glandium> :)
# [13:43] * hsivonen expects more problems arising from WebRTC's use of platform libraries for string handling
# [13:44] <glandium> hsivonen: std::string?
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# [13:45] <hsivonen> glandium: so far I've seen today "isascii" causing a build failure and other WebRTC code failing if the locale string does not contain "UTF-8"
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# [13:45] <hsivonen> glandium: so plain C string handling
# [13:45] <glandium> hsivonen: isascii is not plain C
# [13:45] <glandium> that's the problem
# [13:45] <Ms2ger> The UTF-8 thing is sad :/
# [13:45] <@ted> hsivonen: i almost cried when i was doing webrtc porting work and found that it wanted to link in *another* copy of expat
# [13:45] <glandium> hsivonen: 860222
# [13:45] <@ted> (i think that got fixed since)
# [13:45] <hsivonen> ted: how?
# [13:45] <@ted> hsivonen: they were linking in libjingle at the time, which required expat
# [13:46] <hsivonen> ted: in the UTF-8 mode, I expect
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# [13:46] <hsivonen> ted: ours is UTF-16 mode
# [13:46] <@ted> but we couldn't use our in-tree copy because jingle expected it to be using utf-8 and ours uses utf-16
# [13:46] <@ted> yup'
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# [13:47] <hsivonen> ted: was the WebRTC code changed to use expat in the UTF-16 mode?
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# [13:48] <@ted> i think they dropped the libjingle dep
# [13:48] <jesup> We removed jingle and replaces it with sipcc from Cisco
# [13:48] <@ted> so expat went with it
# [13:48] <hsivonen> I see
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# [13:48] <jesup> aka media/webrtc/signaling/src/several-directories
# [13:48] <@ted> webrtc is weird
# [13:49] <@ted> it has this fiction that it's a standalone project
# [13:49] <@ted> except nobody uses it that way
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# [13:49] <glandium> haha http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/media/mtransport/third_party/nICEr/src/util/mbslen.c#94
# [13:49] <jesup> isascii was a trivial use in another imported lib (for TURN use)
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# [13:49] <glandium> jesup: isascii is a mozilla addition to that lib
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# [13:50] <hsivonen> glandium: whoa, whoa. it actually calls setlocale! That can't be good.
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# [13:51] <jesup> well, actually additions that are going to be upstreamed back to the source - and written by the upstream author aka ekr
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# [13:51] <glandium> hsivonen: library code that calls setlocale, awesome ain't it?
# [13:51] <hsivonen> oh is setlocale a getter if you pass in 0?
# [13:51] <glandium> btw, ICU does too
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# [13:52] * Ms2ger expects the webrtc code to provide job security to security researchers for the next decade
# [13:52] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/e4187e42329b - Blake Kaplan - Bug 840098. r=bz
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# [13:52] <glandium> hsivonen: yes indeed
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# [13:53] <hsivonen> glandium: really weird API design
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# [13:53] <@ted> we should compile all of webrtc to js with emscripten
# [13:54] <hsivonen> copyright Adobe System, Incorporated
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# [13:54] <jesup> Yeah, the entire reason that's there is to have a UTF8 strlen to error-check strings in ICE (and this is all in C, unfortunately)
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# [13:54] <Ms2ger> So make it C++
# [13:54] * hsivonen didn't expect to see Adobe code in WebRTC
# [13:55] <Ms2ger> There's a lot of... stuff in there
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# [13:55] <hsivonen> I guess I'm not properly aware of the history of the project
# [13:55] <jesup> (the setlocale/utf-8 thing) I ran into that a few days ago and wasn't happy, but didn't have a quick solution.
# [13:55] <@ted> hsivonen: i think most of it is Google's usual "jam random stuff together" open source philosophy
# [13:55] <jesup> I had lots of fun with Gerv on the licenses texts
# [13:56] <hsivonen> jesup: is it trying to count the number of code points in a UTF-8 string?
# [13:57] <glandium> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/intl/locale/src/unix/nsDateTimeFormatUnix.cpp#110 oh my
# [13:57] <jesup> pretty much to verify it will fit in a particular buffer
# [13:57] <hsivonen> jesup: a buffer of what kind of units?
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# [13:59] <hsivonen> (if operating on UTF-8 requires #ifdefs for platform libs, my instinct would be not to use platform libs)
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# [14:01] <jesup> we imported the webrtc/trunk code, which is pretty clean license-wise (open-sourced code they got from GIPS, now part of google). We also imported sipcc from Cisco (they MPL'd it for us), libsrtp (mostly cisco, open-source), sctp (a mess of individual copyrights per-file from the BSD kernel originally, done with help from the authors), and nicer/nrappkit (media/mtransport/thirdparty), where...
# [14:01] <jesup> ...this is (originally written by ekr)
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# [14:01] <jesup> That's most of it.
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# [14:02] <hsivonen> the POSIX spec for mbrlen suggests the function comes from an era predating good understanding about how to write Unicode-correct software
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# [14:03] <hsivonen> as in, the mbrlen function seems to assume concepts that one shouldn't have to assume or one should assume to be locale-independent when working with Unicode
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# [14:05] <jesup> hsivonen: see media/mtransport/third_party/nICEr/src/stun/stun_codec.c - this all falls out of the *_illegal() functions there
# [14:05] <hsivonen> (sadly, all the wchar_t stuff in C/C++ also predate a good understanding of what makes sense for Unicode)
# [14:05] <glandium> hsivonen: doesn't it just use the encoding part of the locale only? surely it can't determine if it has to expect utf-8, utf-16 or any other multibyte encoding without something telling it
# [14:06] <hsivonen> glandium: my point is that proper API design should have API inputs and output be specced to be a certain kind of UTF
# [14:06] <hsivonen> glandium: not magically changing based on external state
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# [14:08] <hsivonen> jesup: why does STUN care about the number of *characters* at all?
# [14:09] <jfkthame> why are they using mbslen anyway? is that even defined by posix?
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# [14:09] <glandium> jfkthame: mbrlen is posix
# [14:10] <jesup> To be honest, I was planning to ask ekr to remove the current code and redo it (it's used via a table (->illegal()) in nr_stun_encode_message())
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# [14:10] <glandium> hsivonen: yeah, it probably only needs to care about the number of bytes
# [14:10] <jesup> jfkthame: it synthesizes mbslen() in mbslen.c from mbrlen
# [14:10] <jfkthame> really? i'm pretty sure it wasn't a few years ago
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# [14:11] <glandium> jfkthame: it is C99, too
# [14:11] <jfkthame> yuck
# [14:11] <glandium> jimm: anyone with shell access on people should be able to
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# [14:12] <jimm> glandium: thx.
# [14:12] <hsivonen> I wonder if the stuff at http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/media/mtransport/third_party/nICEr/src/stun/stun_msg.h#42 comes from a spec
# [14:13] <jesup> glandium: exactly my thought (bytes), but I wonder if this is checking a requirement of the spec (i.e. does the spec require <= 128 UTF8 chars for a field)
# [14:13] <Ms2ger> Ehehehehe
# [14:13] <jesup> hsivonen: exactly
# [14:13] <hsivonen> and if so, why would a spec care about the number of UTF-32 code units if that's what "character" means
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# [14:14] <hsivonen> sadness. The STUN spec actually does care about characters
# [14:14] <hsivonen> why oh why?
# [14:14] <glandium> hsivonen: because in the 21st century, people still don't have a clue about unicode
# [14:14] <jesup> hsivonen: ICE is an 120-page RFC, then you also have STUN and TURN in there
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# [14:15] <hsivonen> jesup: if those UTF-8 strings can be trusted to be valid UTF-8, it should be pretty easy to write a function that counts the non-continuation bytes in the string
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# [14:16] <jesup> Original STUN spec (3489) was finalized in 2003
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# [14:39] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/e9116e0abdd6 - Brian R. Bondy - Bug 850492. r=rstrong, a=bajaj
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# [14:58] <@bz> maybe I need to update my nightly
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# [14:59] <AryehGregor> Hmm, so looks like nsStringBuffer::Alloc really should return already_AddRefed.
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# [14:59] <AryehGregor> Yes?
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# [15:00] <Ms2ger> bz, ^
# [15:01] <AryehGregor> Or is it not okay for it to depend on nsCOMPtr.h?
# [15:01] <AryehGregor> It should be okay, I'd think.
# [15:01] <srishti> bz, to merge two patch into one I should make the old patch as obsolete
# [15:01] <edmorley> bz: latest nightly mixed content patch breaks vid.ly and this air.m.o replay (bug 841613)
# [15:01] <edmorley> s/this/thus/
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# [15:02] <edmorley> bz: believe workaround is to allow per site using awesomebar shield icon thingy
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# [15:02] <@bz> AryehGregor: probably, yes....
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# [15:03] <@bz> srishti: you should mark them both obsolete and upload a single patch with the changes in it
# [15:03] <@bz> edmorley: oh!
# [15:03] <srishti> okay
# [15:03] <@bz> edmorley: I totally missed that shield
# [15:03] <@bz> ok, then
# [15:03] <@bz> So playing a live stream on airmo still works
# [15:03] <@bz> but requires flash
# [15:03] <@bz> and watching replays uses <video>
# [15:04] <@bz> but is broken
# [15:04] <@bz> "sweet"
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# [15:04] <Ms2ger> hdr->mRefCount = 1;, eh
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# [15:04] <annevk> someone has to manually convert the feed I believe
# [15:04] <annevk> well I heard
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# [15:05] <jesup> glandium/hsivonen: Thanks. And a pointer to a better solution that meets the spec (and we can upstream) would be great; I haven't had a chance to look (and I'm not that knowledgable about low-level UTF8 handling)
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# [15:06] <jesup> but my reaction when I saw this a few days ago was "really, we need to do this?"
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# [15:08] <jesup> So I haven't seen any instances of the bug 846137 orange asertion since we landed it; barring objection I'm going to dup all the clones of it to it
# [15:08] <jesup> edmorley: good by you?
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# [15:09] <AryehGregor> bz, so if I make Alloc() return already_AddRefed, what do I do here? http://dxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/xpcom/string/src/nsTSubstring.cpp#l126
# [15:09] <edmorley> jesup: wfm, thank you
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# [15:10] <@bz> AryehGregor: .get() ?
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# [15:10] <hsivonen> jesup: proposed better solution (completely untested--not even compiled--assumes input is valid UTF-8): https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=736258&action=diff
# [15:10] <AryehGregor> bz, ah, that will do it.
# [15:11] <AryehGregor> Right.
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# [15:13] <jesup> hsivonen: can't assume valid input :-( data can come from server/incoming-UDP-packet
# [15:13] <annevk> hsivonen: surely we have a method for that somewhere?
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# [15:13] <jesup> annevk: not in C...
# [15:13] <hsivonen> jesup: how did the old code know that the system libs don't assume valid input?
# [15:13] <annevk> jesup: our decoder/encoder is not in C? hmm
# [15:14] <hsivonen> jesup: I thought this was for outgoing data
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# [15:14] <jesup> and this is an imported lib
# [15:14] <jesup> hsivonen: I think it's used for both
# [15:14] <Ms2ger> hsivonen, assuming correctness of the existing code... Not sure that's a good idea
# [15:14] <hsivonen> annevk: C++
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# [15:14] <jesup> ekr: ping
# [15:14] <annevk> jesup: sorry, missed third_party
# [15:14] <ekr> jesup: pong
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# [15:15] <jesup> ekr: ^ discussion of the mbslen/*_illegal() stuff in stun_codec.c
# [15:16] <AryehGregor> Ms2ger, so you know you've been volunteered to review this patch, right?
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# [15:16] <ekr> jesup: I would need to trace through this, but remember that even outgoing data is derived from JS, so it seems like we want error checking in any case
# [15:16] <Ms2ger> AryehGregor, explicit already_AddRefed?
# [15:17] <AryehGregor> Ms2ger, yep!
# [15:17] <Ms2ger> AryehGregor, not my turf, try ehsan :)
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# [15:17] <hsivonen> ekr: if a string comes from JS, can't we assume it's valid UTF-8 except perhaps for CESU-8-encoded unpaired surrogates?
# [15:18] <hsivonen> ekr: it comes from JS as JS strings, right?
# [15:18] <ekr> This is a library.
# [15:18] <ekr> so, no, it shouldnt be assuming correct inputs from the callers
# [15:18] <hsivonen> ekr: anyway, if the input can't be trusted to be valid UTF-8, the old code is probably wrong, too
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# [15:19] <ekr> I missed why...
# [15:19] <jesup> ekr: is this used to parse incoming data as well as generate outgoing? Or just outgoing? (the _illegal()/mbslen stuff)
# [15:19] <ekr> jesup: as I said, I would need to trace through the code to be sure
# [15:19] <hsivonen> ekr: how does the old code know that the system libs work if invalid UTF-8 is passed to the system libs?
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# [15:19] <hsivonen> seems like counting characters and checking for UTF-8 validity are separate concerns
# [15:20] <hsivonen> so if the input might be invalid UTF-8, there should probably be a UTF-8 sanitizer somewhere before we get to mbslen
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# [15:21] <ekr> hsivonen: you are concerned about the call to mbrlen?
# [15:21] <glandium> ekr: more by the UTF-8 requirement
# [15:21] <glandium> in the locale
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# [15:21] <jesup> hsivonen: the spec requires that the fields be "a UTF-8 encoded sequence of less than 128 characters (which can be as long as 763 bytes)" (one example from the spec)
# [15:22] <hsivonen> ekr: yes. my suggested re-implementation of mbrlen assumes valid UTF-8 input to mbslen
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# [15:22] <ekr> glandium: well, the setlocale doesn't depend on input from the user
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# [15:22] <hsivonen> and the old implementation assumed that, too, to the extent the behavior of the system functions is undefined in the case of bogus input
# [15:22] <glandium> ekr: it depends on the system locale
# [15:22] <ekr> hsivonen: it's undefined?
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# [15:22] <glandium> and it depends on it being UTF-8
# [15:22] <RyanVM> ted: inbound bustage
# [15:22] <ekr> Looking at the mac man page, it doesn't look undefined to me.
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# [15:23] <RyanVM> Ms2ger ^
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# [15:23] <Ms2ger> RyanVM, I'm honoured you join irc just for us
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# [15:23] <@ted> le sigh, b2g
# [15:24] <RyanVM> yeah, no more hiding out for me this morning :(
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# [15:24] <hsivonen> ekr: oh, right. POSIX says to set errno in case of encoding error
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# [15:24] <@ted> RyanVM: sorry, i apparently didn't build that on b2g/android on try
# [15:24] <Ms2ger> ted, backout, I guess?
# [15:24] <@ted> i'll back out the webidl patch
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# [15:25] <hsivonen> ekr: anyway, implementing UTF-8 validation while at it would be better than calling setlocale.
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# [15:25] <@ted> your name is even in the patch :)
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# [15:26] <ekr> I'll take a look through the code and see if this is doing something importnat.
# [15:26] <@ted> well, i disabled this code on android/b2g
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# [15:26] <@ted> because i didn't want to deal with the oranges i was seeing there
# [15:27] <@ted> argh
# [15:27] <@ted> you closed the tree and i committed my merge backout without CLOSED TREE
# [15:27] <@ted> we should so fix this shit to not use changeset message text
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# [15:28] <RyanVM> hg qimport -r && hg qref -e
# [15:28] <RyanVM> ted: beats getting push raced :\
# [15:28] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/ca09bff8d6f4 - Ted Mielczarek - backed out dcf67f13c6bb – bug 851542 - for B2G bustage CLOSED TREE
# [15:29] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/90ae6736f95e - Ted Mielczarek - Backed out changeset dcf67f13c6bb, bug 851542 for B2G bustage.
# [15:29] <@ted> RyanVM: can't qimport merge changesets
# [15:29] <@ted> luckily hg rollback worked
# [15:29] <jesup> The code is making sure the strings fit the requirements of the spec (< NNN UTF-8 chars), so it has a purpose (and even more-so if it's being used for input-from-network validation as well)
# [15:29] <RyanVM> ted: hg qbackout :)
# [15:29] <@ted> what
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# [15:30] <RyanVM> saves the merge
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# [15:30] <RyanVM> https://bitbucket.org/sfink/qbackout
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# [15:31] <@ted> huh
# [15:31] <@ted> thanks
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# [15:31] <RyanVM> w/o qbackout, you can hg qnew, hg backout, hg qref too to avoid the merge
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# [15:33] <@ted> ah
# [15:33] <@ted> i installed qbackout, seems useful
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# [15:33] <jesup> hsivonen: (and ekr) My first thought when we had a problem there on cdiehl's testing a few days ago was to dump it, but it's not so simple. And actually disabling it for Android like ted did might be a bad idea since when it fails it effectively bypasses the check. (Ditto if the locale isn't UTF8/UTF-8)
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# [15:35] <RyanVM> ted: it is :)
# [15:35] <RyanVM> very handy for multiple-cset backouts
# [15:36] <@ted> jesup: sorry, my "disabled" comment was in re: gamepad
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# [15:38] <bent> RyanVM, any chance you can uplift 858674 too?
# [15:38] <edmorley> ted: qbackout also has a reland feature
# [15:38] <edmorley> --apply iirc
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# [15:41] <jesup> right, for re-landing a patch that was backed out by someone else
# [15:41] <@ted> edmorley: neat
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# [15:41] <jesup> ted: sorry, your comment messed my brain up. It was dmose who disabled it on Android IIRC
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# [15:43] <@ted> :)
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# [15:43] <RyanVM> bent: but of course, was just waiting on a new patch
# [15:44] <bent> yeah, sorry. it's up now
# [15:44] <bent> took too long figuring out that other cookie craziness
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# [15:46] <RyanVM> bent: fyi, I try to do my uplifts in the morning before the infra load goes crazy
# [15:46] <bent> yeah, makes sense
# [15:46] <RyanVM> bent: so no promises I'll get it today, but for sure tomorrow if I don't
# [15:47] <bent> oh, i missed your morning batch today?
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# [15:47] <bent> you're on pacific time right?
# [15:48] <JosiahOne> When pushing a commit, what's the a= for? Author?
# [15:48] * bent wonders what time RyanVM wakes up
# [15:48] <padenot> JosiahOne: approval
# [15:48] <JosiahOne> padenot: Ah, thanks.
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# [15:48] <padenot> JosiahOne: when landing on aurora, beta, or release
# [15:49] <JosiahOne> padenot: Okay, so that shouldn't affect me. Oh, but do I need Level 2 access to land on the UX branch?
# [15:49] <padenot> JosiahOne: level 3 to land on m-c like repos, afaik, but I'm not sure
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# [15:50] <bent> RyanVM, i can pull the tree to land it this morning if you're done for the moment
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# [15:50] * bent is anxious to get this set landed
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# [15:51] <JosiahOne> padenot: "Level 2 - This access allows one to check in to everywhere in any SCM (CVS, Hg, SVN, Bzr or Git) except the core product code in Hg and the exceptions listed above."
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# [15:51] <RyanVM> bent: eastern time
# [15:51] <bent> ah
# [15:51] <padenot> I would expect the UX branch to be core product
# [15:51] <bent> mystery solved!
# [15:51] <JosiahOne> padenot: Repos in three are, m-i, m-c, c-c, releases, mobile-browser, projects/electrolysis, projects/firefox-lorentz
# [15:51] <RyanVM> bent: it's not that I can't land it quick
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# [15:52] <RyanVM> i just want to avoid pushing individual csets as much as possible
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# [15:52] <padenot> JosiahOne: this does not seem to be up to date
# [15:52] <RyanVM> so you doing it vs. me is besides the point
# [15:52] <JosiahOne> padenot: http://www.mozilla.org/hacking/commit-access-policy/ is not up to date?
# [15:52] <Ms2ger> Heh, projects/firefox-lorentz
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# [15:53] <Ms2ger> padenot, note that ux doesn't merge back to m-c, so it might be <3
# [15:53] <RyanVM> bent: i'll tell you waht
# [15:53] <JosiahOne> Ms2ger: That's what I was wondering.
# [15:53] <jesup> I think level 1 is all that is needed for a branch repo like alder/birch/etc
# [15:53] <RyanVM> talk khuey into posting an updated patch for bug 854799 and I'll land the two together
# [15:53] <padenot> interesting
# [15:53] <RyanVM> jesup: IIRC, that's right
# [15:53] <JosiahOne> Maybe I'll try to push and see if I get rejected.
# [15:53] <RyanVM> well, user repos are level 1
# [15:54] <RyanVM> twigs might not be
# [15:54] <bent> RyanVM, he's sleeping i think
# [15:54] <jesup> which is ironic since they often get merged to m-i/m-c
# [15:54] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/703e4668b5c8 - John Daggett - Bug 761442 - treat substitution and positioning lookups involving <space> differently. r=jkew
# [15:54] <JosiahOne> Ms2ger: Just to make sure I understand this correctly. hg commit -m first. Then hg push repoName right?
# [15:54] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/8a0073ae1a45 - Jonathan Kew - Bug 761442 - don't use per-word shaping with fonts that use <space> in opentype lookups. r=jdaggett
# [15:54] <RyanVM> bent: isn't he in Toronto?
# [15:54] <bent> no
# [15:54] <bent> sf
# [15:54] <RyanVM> oh
# [15:54] <RyanVM> well, he should be up soon enough :)
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# [15:58] <JosiahOne> When I commit, only the patches I have qpushed will be committed right? I don't want to accidentally send a whole bunch of unfinished ones.
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# [15:59] <padenot> you have to use qfinish
# [15:59] <JosiahOne> padenot: Before commit?
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# [16:00] <RyanVM> qfinish does the commit
# [16:00] <RyanVM> qpush, qfin, push
# [16:00] <RyanVM> is the basic order
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# [16:01] <RyanVM> and you can always hg out to see what you're pushing
# [16:01] <RyanVM> always a smart thing to do :)
# [16:01] <JosiahOne> RyanVM: Ah, yes. Alright
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# [16:02] <RyanVM> edmorley: the rc2 failures are...concerning
# [16:03] <JosiahOne> ssl required?
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# [16:03] <RyanVM> JosiahOne: to push? yes
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# [16:03] <JosiahOne> RyanVM: I see that, that was the output it gave me.
# [16:03] <edmorley> RyanVM: yeah :-(
# [16:04] <padenot> JosiahOne: just put you full username in your .hg/hgrc
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# [16:04] <RyanVM> edmorley: I'm also writing up an email to b2g-internal right now with a kind-of summary about our discussions on landings next week
# [16:04] <padenot> JosiahOne: mine is ssh://paul%40paul.cx@hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound, for example
# [16:04] <jesup> RyanVM: JosiahOne: I always "hg outgoing" before "hg push inbound" as a sanity check and to make sure I added all my r='s
# [16:04] <RyanVM> so we can hopefully avoid the mess that was the last work week
# [16:04] <edmorley> :-)
# [16:04] <@ted> JosiahOne: if you get "ssl required" that means you're trying to push to the http URL
# [16:04] <padenot> JosiahOne: where paul@paul.cx is my email
# [16:04] <@ted> and you need an ssh URL
# [16:04] <JosiahOne> Ah.
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# [16:05] <Ms2ger> padenot, why?
# [16:05] <@ted> JosiahOne: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Mercurial_FAQ#Help.2C_I_can.27t_push.21
# [16:05] <@ted> is pretty handy
# [16:05] <padenot> Ms2ger: why what?
# [16:05] <Ms2ger> padenot, why put your email address in there
# [16:05] <RyanVM> edmorley: I guess we'll see what the next android build does to see if it's a one-off or if something really did break with the merge
# [16:05] <padenot> Ms2ger: because I tried not to, and it did not work, and then I put it, and it worked
# [16:05] <Ms2ger> padenot, wfm!
# [16:06] <padenot> Ms2ger: I'm a simple person
# [16:06] <RyanVM> don't know what timezone bnicholson or cpeterson are in off hand
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# [16:06] <jesup> JosiahOne: and in the .hg/hgrc, I have "inbound = ssh://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/" and no default-push, so "hg push" will just give me an error
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# [16:06] <@ted> i do something similar to jesup, although mine is just "mi = ssh://..."
# [16:06] <@ted> so i jsut "hg push mi"
# [16:06] <jesup> avoids typoing "hg qpush" as "hg push", and makes sure I'm commiting on the branch/repo I meant to. Ditto for m-c, for branch repos like alder, etc
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# [16:12] <RyanVM> jesup: not a horrible idea :)
# [16:12] <RyanVM> i use default-push, but I agree that what you do is safer
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# [16:14] <jesup> Yeah, I bit myself typing "hg qfin -a; hg push" in the wrong directory more than once, though *usually* the push checks will catch that. and hg push for hg qpush... way too easy.
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# [16:15] <JosiahOne> Umm… So, why does hg status and hg diff not show anything anymore?
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# [16:15] <padenot> because you qfinished?
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# [16:16] <JosiahOne> padenot: Oh yes. Duh. :p
# [16:17] <JosiahOne> And hg push will push to the default-push path right?
# [16:17] <jesup> JosiahOne: yes. Which is why I disable it ;-)
# [16:17] <JosiahOne> jesup: I just checked mine, it's ssh://josiah%40programmer.net@hg.mozilla.org/projects/ux
# [16:18] <jesup> Just change "default-push" to "ux" and use "hg push ux"
# [16:18] <jesup> :-)
# [16:18] <JosiahOne> jesup: And hg outgoing showed my changeset, so I think it's all good.
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# [16:18] <jesup> JosiahOne: sounds right
# [16:19] <JosiahOne> jesup: (This is pulled from UX channel, so I won't accidentally push to the wrong place)
# [16:19] <JosiahOne> Alright, here we go. Let's hope I don't kill UX.
# [16:20] <JosiahOne> ...
# [16:20] <jesup> JosiahOne: yeah, once you have 2 or three repos with different sources, "hg push foo" is a useful backcheck. Also per previous comments, it protects you against typoing "hg qpush"
# [16:20] <JosiahOne> Permission denied.
# [16:20] <JosiahOne> Now I need to go request level 2 access and see if that works.
# [16:20] <padenot> you got you public key right?
# [16:21] <JosiahOne> padenot: Yeah, I have pushed to try. But I only have level 1 access right now
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# [16:22] <JosiahOne> To upgrade access, do I need to send in a Committer's agreement again?
# [16:22] <jesup> Level 1 works for projects/alder, IIRC - is it different for ux?
# [16:22] <jesup> JosiahOne: no
# [16:23] <JosiahOne> jesup: But the public key yes?
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# [16:23] <jesup> I use ssh://hg.mozilla.org/.... and have a host/user entry in .ssh/config
# [16:23] <jesup> but that shouldn't matter I think
# [16:23] <padenot> yeah, I do like JosiahOne and it works
# [16:24] <JosiahOne> So I think I need level 2 access. I could compare with the tree, just not push to it.
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# [16:24] <MrDHat> Does popcorn.js support WebRTC?
# [16:24] <JosiahOne> jesup: But I'm going to have to re-attach the ssh public key when I file the bug right?
# [16:25] <padenot> JosiahOne: nope
# [16:25] <JosiahOne> padenot: Oh, alright then. I just need to file another bug and get a voucher then?
# [16:25] <padenot> yup
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# [16:26] <jesup> MrDHat: no, I don't believe so (WebRTC probably doesn't make sense; getUserMedia() might make sense (maybe) once the Recording API is in place)
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# [16:27] <MrDHat> jesup: By WebRTC i meant getUserMedia() here. :)
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# [16:28] <jesup> MrDHat: I don't think they support it currently. Right now it's tough to transform it into any encoded media, though you can use it "live" in media elements or process it through canvases (and thus to webGL stuff)
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# [16:29] <MrDHat> jesup: What about supporting it in Popcorn maker? Is it feasible at this time?
# [16:30] <jesup> MrDHat: you need to talk to Popcorn people; I have no idea how that works.
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# [16:30] <jesup> I suspect you need the recording API to be supported to get encoded copies to store in a file/blob/etc
# [16:30] <MrDHat> jesup: Do you know anyone on the popcorn team?
# [16:30] <jesup> that's going to be added in the near future
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# [16:31] <jesup> not really, no, but I'm sure people here do. (Do they have a channel or mailing list?
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# [16:32] <padenot> MrDHat: #popcorn could be a good starting point :-)
# [16:32] <MrDHat> padenot: Thanks :)
# [16:32] <JosiahOne> Hmm, I need a Mozilla code module owner. Is there a list or something of people who are available for that.
# [16:33] <JosiahOne> Or if someone would like to vouch for me here, that would be great.
# [16:33] <@ted> JosiahOne: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Modules
# [16:33] <gcp> https://wiki.mozilla.org/Modules
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# [16:33] <jwir3> JosiahOne: Who have you been working with on patches to this point?
# [16:33] <Pike> JosiahOne: if you need an owner, the chances it's you are high
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# [16:35] <jmaher> edmorley: the merge you did from m-c -> m-i (https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Mozilla-Inbound&rev=1c28a906a213) has android rc2 failures- unfortunately in 3.5 hours since that was pushed we don't have any further results
# [16:35] <JosiahOne> jwir3: spohl and smichaud mostly.
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# [16:35] <JosiahOne> jwir3: Also aceman and Paenglab.
# [16:35] <jmaher> edmorley: I don't see a backout for either of the two changesets that caused the breakage
# [16:35] <jwir3> JosiahOne: So they might be able to vouch for you, although I don't know if they are module owners.
# [16:36] <jwir3> JosiahOne: Typically, when getting review on a patch, it would be expected that the module owner for the module in which the patch is written would be performing the review (or a peer)
# [16:36] <edmorley> jmaher: there hasn't been a backout yet
# [16:36] <Pike> JosiahOne: what's the module to begin with?
# [16:36] <jmaher> edmorley: I didn't see either of the bugs mentioned in a backout comment
# [16:36] <JosiahOne> Pike: In this case, Firefox.
# [16:36] <jesup> JosiahOne: or get one of them to convince the relevant module owner
# [16:37] <JosiahOne> Dao has done most of my reviews actually.
# [16:37] <Pike> JosiahOne: err, Firefox as a module is properly owned
# [16:37] <edmorley> jmaher: yeah that's what I mean, there hasn't been a backout yet, we were waiting to see if it went away on a later push (eg clobber needed)
# [16:37] <jesup> ("one of" = one of the people who's been working with you
# [16:37] <jwir3> Pike: I don't think it's a question of whether the module needs a new owner, I think JosiahOne is looking for someone to vouch for him to get a higher level commit access
# [16:37] <JosiahOne> jwir3: Correct.
# [16:38] <Pike> ahh
# [16:38] <RyanVM> jmaher: mfinkle's looking into it too
# [16:38] <RyanVM> edmorley^
# [16:38] <jmaher> edmorley: ok- with so many pushes, we are going to lose 8 hours before we get results
# [16:38] <RyanVM> could be a bad merge too
# [16:38] <JosiahOne> I do a variety of things, not one specific module. Mostly I do front-end on TB and FX. But I'm not exactly sure you should vouch for me then. Spohl vouched for Level 1, but he's not any core owner.
# [16:39] <jmaher> thanks guys for staying on top of it
# [16:39] <jmaher> edmorley: RyanVM mfinkle ^
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# [16:40] <jcranmer|away> Ms2ger: *bop*
# [16:40] <Pike> JosiahOne: dao would be a good voucher, and smichaud. Both are peers (Firefox and Widget osx)
# [16:40] <jcranmer|away> Ms2ger: can you look into your tests' overly long path issues?
# [16:40] <jesup> If level two needs a module owner, ask the module owner of one of the areas you've been working in, and ask the people you've been working with to say "yes, he should be". Likely this is easy
# [16:40] <JosiahOne> Pike: Do peers count, it says Owner.
# [16:40] <@ted> pretty sure it means owner
# [16:40] <Ms2ger> jcranmer|away, what about it? Standard8 wrote a patch to deal with it on the buildbots
# [16:41] <JosiahOne> Pike: If peers count then I have a whole bunch of people. But Owners is a little more difficult.
# [16:41] <Pike> that's weird, level 2 needs one owner, level 3 needs two owner/peers
# [16:41] <jcranmer|away> Ms2ger: and the releng people would rather shorten those pathnames
# [16:41] <jesup> pike: yeah, that's odd
# [16:41] <jwir3> Pike: I feel like that is a typo. Maybe ask gerv?
# [16:41] <jesup> gerv: ping ^
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# [16:42] <Pike> I wonder if that's for "I want to contribute to the UX branch or e10s", and then you'd get the owner of that effort to vouch
# [16:42] <Ms2ger> jcranmer|away, if someone wants to shorten them, I won't block that, but those changes will be overridden next time they're synced...
# [16:43] <Pike> you can also just ask gavin, and CC dao, and if dao says nice things, gavin might just rubberstamp that
# [16:43] <JosiahOne> I can't believe they mean one Core Owner. For Firefox that leaves only gavin sharp.
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# [16:43] <Pike> JosiahOne: given that gavin follows every bug on the planet anyway, that's OK ;-)
# [16:43] <jcranmer|away> Ms2ger: can you put that on the bugs?
# [16:44] <JosiahOne> Pike: :)
# [16:44] <Ms2ger> jcranmer|away, sure. Number?
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# [16:44] <jwir3> JosiahOne: yeah, gavin is super-active. So that doesn't surprise me. What does surprise me is that it's inconsistent with level 2/level 3 commit access.
# [16:44] <jcranmer|away> Ms2ger: bug 859101
# [16:45] <RyanVM> bent: ping
# [16:45] <jwir3> JosiahOne: If that's the case, then maybe just skip level 2 and go straight for level 3, getting peers to vouch for you? ;)
# [16:45] <jwir3> JosiahOne: To be fair, it's not uncommon than a developer will skip level 2 and go from level 1 -> level 3.
# [16:45] <JosiahOne> jwir3: It says you can't skip, you need the previous level.
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# [16:45] <jwir3> JosiahOne: oh really? perhaps that's new
# [16:45] <bent> RyanVM, here
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# [16:46] <Ms2ger> jcranmer|away, done
# [16:46] <RyanVM> bent: got a linux xpcshell failure on b2g18 and b2g18_v1_0_1 that I think may be yours
# [16:46] <JosiahOne> jwir3: "Each level of permission implies having the previous levels - e.g. level 2 implies level 1"
# [16:46] <RyanVM> bent: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=21683585&tree=Mozilla-B2g18
# [16:46] <RyanVM> bent: same failure on v1.0.1, but I starred it as something else
# [16:46] <jwir3> JosiahOne: oh, so that means that you can commit to anything Up to and including level 2
# [16:47] <Pike> JosiahOne: I don't see that
# [16:47] <JosiahOne> Pike: http://www.mozilla.org/hacking/commit-access-policy/
# [16:47] <Pike> JosiahOne: yes, which sentence there is the one you're referring to?
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# [16:47] <bent> RyanVM, yeah... probably so. We have hardcoded numbers living all over the place :(
# [16:47] <JosiahOne> Pike: Under summary, after the 3 sub-points.
# [16:47] <bent> RyanVM, backing this out is tricky though
# [16:47] <RyanVM> bent: pastebin me a fix?
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# [16:48] <RyanVM> bent: only fails on opt too apparently :(
# [16:48] <JosiahOne> But maybe it means that having a level implies that you have access to previous ones.
# [16:48] <bent> RyanVM, yeah, i'd prefer to fix in-tree
# [16:48] <JosiahOne> Not that you have to have the previous one.
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# [16:48] <Pike> JosiahOne: level 3 implies level 1 access and level 2 access, that's what that sentence means
# [16:48] <JosiahOne> Pike: Gotcha
# [16:48] <Pike> JosiahOne: it doesn't mean that you need level 2 to become level 3
# [16:48] <RyanVM> bent: fine with me (this week, not so sure about next :) )
# [16:48] <bent> i really should just disable that telemetry test on b2g
# [16:48] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/53e7c851a6a7 - Fabrice Desré - Bug 853716 - Let the SMS protocol handler deal with sms: url without numbers r=baku
# [16:48] <bent> it's nothing but trouble
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# [16:49] <bent> only on opt? that is surprising
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# [16:49] <RyanVM> bent: yeah, opt only apparently
# [16:50] <RyanVM> but hitting on both branches is suspicious :(
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# [16:51] <JosiahOne> jdm: Ping.
# [16:52] <jdm> JosiahOne: pong
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# [16:52] <JosiahOne> jdm: So this is all really confusing me know. But I just want to be able to push to the UX branch. You don't happen to know what Level access is needed do you?
# [16:52] <JosiahOne> s/know/now
# [16:52] <jdm> ah, I understand
# [16:53] <jdm> I don't, but the folks in #fx-team might
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# [16:53] <JosiahOne> jdm: Asking. Thanks.
# [16:53] <JosiahOne> jdm: And it does turn out requesting level 2 access was a waste of time, but whatever. :)
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# [16:56] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/0e4434a4e7f3 - Daniel Holbert - Bug 851379 part 2: Make ComputeMargin, ComputePadding, and InitOffsets take a horizontal *and* vertical percent basis, so that we can resolve vertical margins and
# [16:56] <firebot> padding against containing block *height* in flex items. r=mats
# [16:56] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/b16ed870d536 - Daniel Holbert - Bug 851379, part 4: Fix InitOffsets logging code to display horizontal and vertical percent basis, instead of just a containing block width. r=mats
# [16:56] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/2cb63e38eeaf - Daniel Holbert - Bug 851379 part 1: Rename ComputeWidthDependentValue to ComputeCBDependentValue. r=mats
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# [16:58] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/78bdaf0577cd - Jim Chen - Bug 857413 - Use only one copy of GeckoInputConnection.InputThreadUtils; r=cpeterson
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# [16:58] <RyanVM> bent: as an additional carrot for you, I'll land bug 858674 as a ride-along with your other fix ;)
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# [16:59] <JosiahOne> Ah ha. mconley is a module owner. Problem solved.
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# [17:03] <Yoric> mak: ping
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# [17:03] <mak> Yoric: y?
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# [17:03] <Yoric> I'm working on bug 702559.
# [17:03] <Yoric> afk brb
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# [17:04] <Yoric> (phone)
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# [17:06] <mayanklal> /msg NickServ confirm frjgxNgIS
# [17:06] <mayanklal> /msg nickserv confirm frjgxNgIS
# [17:07] <philor> hunter2
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# [17:08] <edmorley> mayanklal: you may wish to change that
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# [17:08] <mayanklal> yeah!! I'm on it.
# [17:08] <RyanVM> that's not the password
# [17:08] <RyanVM> iirc
# [17:08] <RyanVM> just the confirm code
# [17:09] <edmorley> oh email conf?
# [17:09] <RyanVM> yeah
# [17:09] <mayanklal> Got it!! I think it's not an issue.
# [17:09] <RyanVM> I just went through that rigamarole yesterday
# [17:09] <edmorley> nickserv is one of those things I use so infrequently once set up that I always have to google
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# [17:09] <RyanVM> because when I registered my nick, I was a lot more naive about passwords
# [17:10] <Yoric> mak: Ok, I'm back.
# [17:10] <RyanVM> and didn't want to set myself for accidental exposure in-channel
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# [17:10] <Yoric> mak: I have a little fear about changing the signature of method |complete|.
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# [17:10] <RyanVM> so I finally changed it yesterday to something unique
# [17:10] <mayanklal> i want to discuss my project idea with you guys.
# [17:10] <Yoric> mak: Don't we risk breaking 1/ binary addons 2/ Thunderbird?
# [17:10] <RyanVM> jfkthame: things aren't looking good for your push
# [17:11] <mak> Yoric: yes there's some risk, but it's cpp consumers, it's very easy to find the breakage and it's very easy to fix it (in this case)
# [17:11] <jfkthame> did i push something?
# [17:11] * jfkthame goes to look….
# [17:11] <Yoric> mak: ok
# [17:11] <edmorley> RyanVM: yeah, ilovewebkit would have been embarrassing if you ever typed it in-channel
# [17:11] <mib_h8mnk3> hello, I'm trying to develop a downloading feature for firefox. I dont know which part of the source to consider for that. can anyone help me out?
# [17:11] <Yoric> mak: Thunderbird and Seamonkey breakages are on your head, then?
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# [17:12] <Yoric> mib_h8mnk3: You'll have to be more specific.
# [17:12] <RyanVM> edmorley: *blinks* you h4xx0ring me?
# [17:12] <mak> Yoric: we can surely file a dependency to fix them, should not be too problematic, let me see
# [17:12] <RyanVM> jfkthame: mr. dagget trying to help out apparently :)
# [17:13] <mib_h8mnk3> Yoric: I'm supposed to implement metalinker support to firefox
# [17:13] <RyanVM> nattokirai: ping
# [17:13] <jfkthame> ah, yes, i figured that must be what you meant
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# [17:13] <RyanVM> jfkthame: mind taking a quick look?
# [17:13] <jfkthame> so far i only see the os x m5…. are there other issues?
# [17:13] <mak> Yoric: at first glance I don't see consumers out of m-c
# [17:13] <RyanVM> no, but the same failure twice in a row isn't encouraging
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# [17:14] <RyanVM> jftkthame: actually, the failure goes back further
# [17:14] <jfkthame> true, but offhand it doesn't sound likely to be caused by those patches…let's see...\
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# [17:14] <jfkthame> ah, yes, blame ted's backout :)
# [17:14] <@ted> hah
# [17:15] <@ted> feel free to backout my backout :-P
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# [17:15] <mayanklal> I'm trying to develop a session manager for firefox that identifies a user through his id and password and restores his tabs,history and bookmarks.
# [17:16] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/65a30bc9da3c - Scott Johnson - Bug 824965: Implement a method of getting correct CaretPosition from within anonymous content nodes. [r=ehsan]
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# [17:17] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/904b91062c25 - Panos Astithas - Bug 859569 - Target.makeRemote should attachTab; r=dcamp
# [17:17] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/b9d56a1e0a61 - Tim Taubert - merge m-c to fx-team
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# [17:17] <jfkthame> RyanVM: maybe try a couple more retriggers, see if it really is perma?
# [17:17] <RyanVM> jfkthame: ted: yeah, the lack of osx builds for a stretch isn't helping our cause either
# [17:17] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/04d0c8e895ce - Tim Taubert - Bug 858643 - Don't handle mouseover event for closing tabs; r=dao
# [17:17] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/d1264794ca7e - Anton Kovalyov - Bug 858759 - Move profiler.css to browser/themes. r=vporof
# [17:17] <philor> neat, inbound has multiple bustages from the merge from m-c?
# [17:17] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/8a7fdc4019c8 - Tim Taubert - Bug 860622 - Stop preprocessing browser/base/content/pageinfo/pageInfo.js; r=dolske
# [17:17] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/3a90900fe780 - Tim Taubert - Bug 860621 - Fix allowPopups option for RecentWindow.getMostRecentBrowserWindow; r=dao
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# [17:18] <RyanVM> philor: could be :P
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# [17:18] <mib_h8mnk3> guys. I think you didn't see my question, shall I post it again?
# [17:19] <@ted> mib_h8mnk3: sorry, this channel is pretty tied up with tree management at the moment
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# [17:20] <RyanVM> ted: jfkthame: philor: that said, ted's backout was webidl-related
# [17:20] <RyanVM> which makes me insta-suspicious
# [17:20] <@ted> what's broken here?
# [17:20] <RyanVM> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=21684952&tree=Mozilla-Inbound
# [17:21] <philor> i'd bet on Enn
# [17:21] * philor puts his bet in the form of retriggers
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# [17:22] <@ted> i would be pretty surprised to find that my patch or backout had any effect on that
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# [17:22] <@ted> it added new webidl bindings, but they don't touch anything else
# [17:22] <RyanVM> philor: i clobbered inbound and triggered a new osx debug build on the backout
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# [17:22] <jfkthame> philor: yeah, that looks a plausible candidate, but it's intermittent so it'll take a bunch of retriggers to confirm
# [17:22] <Ms2ger> ted, note that the webidl build system sucks
# [17:22] <RyanVM> ted: as fragile as the webidl build system seems to be, I wouldn't be shocked
# [17:22] <@ted> yeah, but even with that
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# [17:23] <WeirdAl> !seen mano
# [17:23] <firebot> mano was last seen 26 hours, 27 minutes and 23 seconds ago, saying 'sorta kinda' in #places.
# [17:23] <@ted> if it was crashing in M3 in the gamepad tests i would be suspicious
# [17:24] <philor> even though the first instance is three pushes later, that's only 5 runs across the three flavors of OS X, thanks coalescing
# [17:24] <tbsaunde> ted: the weirdness that can come from not clobbering or correctly building webidl should not be under estimated
# [17:24] <jfkthame> so bug 851641 dates back a few weeks, actually…. maybe we just got unlucky, or maybe it's really become more frequent
# [17:25] <@ted> mmm
# [17:25] <tbsaunde> philor: in soviet russia tree trolls you
# [17:25] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/146c6ca0aa6d - Ethan Hugg - Bug 855335 - Signaling - fix Wformat warnings in logging r=jesup
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# [17:26] <mib_h8mnk3> ted: ok I'll come again later. :)
# [17:27] <philor> two try runs in the bug, December and android+m2
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# [17:27] <mayanklal> I'll also come again later. :)
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# [17:36] <RyanVM> philor: when's the last time you saw one of these, btw? https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Mozilla-B2g18&rev=84f2fee5d8e8
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# [17:36] <edmorley> RyanVM: ha, nice :-)
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# [17:37] <RyanVM> it's so pretty!
# [17:37] <jfkthame> RyanVM: wow, that looks pretty - although the "CLOSED" message at the top kinda takes the shine off it a little
# [17:37] <RyanVM> heh
# [17:37] <philor> RyanVM: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Mozilla-Esr17&rev=f300f1d35137 says it's been longer than I thought
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# [17:38] <@gavin> JosiahOne: that part you quoted doesn't say you can't skip
# [17:39] <@gavin> JosiahOne: it just says if you do skip to level 3, you automatically get level 2
# [17:39] <@gavin> JosiahOne: level 2 isn't actually useful for much in hg, so most people skip
# [17:39] <JosiahOne> gavin: Yeah, I figured that out. :)
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# [17:39] <mreavy> RyanVM: it's sad when an all green push is news. :-( But I agree that it sure looks pretty
# [17:39] <RyanVM> mreavy: such is life these days
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# [17:40] <mreavy> RyanVM: indeed. we're trying to make it greener for ya.
# [17:40] <Ms2ger> mreavy++
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# [17:42] <@bz> hmm
# [17:42] <@bz> if I want to rip an airmo video out
# [17:42] <@bz> I can't do that?
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# [17:42] <@bz> (Without going fullscreen)
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# [17:42] <padenot> bz: right click, show video, drag the tab out
# [17:43] <@bz> ah, nice
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# [17:43] <@bz> "permission denied"
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# [17:43] <RyanVM> philor: mfinkle: edmorley: jmaher: rc2 is green on the next push
# [17:44] <bent> RyanVM, so, https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Mozilla-B2g18_v1_0_1
# [17:44] <RyanVM> philor: and you win the prize on your retriggers apparently
# [17:44] <RyanVM> bent: saw that
# [17:44] <RyanVM> bent: hence the retriggers :P
# [17:44] <bent> my local opt build passes
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# [17:45] <RyanVM> bent: the b2g18 retrigger was orange
# [17:45] <bent> does this fail anywhere on non-pgo?
# [17:45] <RyanVM> we'll see what the next few do
# [17:45] <RyanVM> not that I've seen
# [17:45] <philor> rats, I didn't score on 10.8
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# [17:45] <bent> given that we don't use places on b2g i'm really leaning towards disabling that one telemetry item
# [17:46] <jfkthame> still, 1 in 3 overall is not bad shooting
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# [17:46] <padenot> bz: if it is a vid.ly video, I would recommend to start playing it briefly before doing the show video stuff
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# [17:47] <@bz> padenot: yeah, same thing
# [17:47] <@bz> padenot: note this is not one of the public videos....
# [17:47] <padenot> is it yesterday all hands?
# [17:47] <@bz> yes
# [17:47] <padenot> because people have reported problems with it
# [17:48] <@bz> Apart from the "HD" button not working....
# [17:48] <padenot> (on the airmo side)
# [17:48] <@bz> and seeking being wonky, like usual for these videos
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# [17:48] <@bz> it seems to be ok
# [17:48] <@bz> in fx20
# [17:48] <@bz> (obviously in a nightly it's broken)
# [17:48] <RyanVM> philor: I've got the backout ready to push whenever it pleases you
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# [17:49] <philor> RyanVM: according to tbpl, ~3 minutes for the retriggers on the push below is when it will
# [17:49] <jmaher> RyanVM: thanks for the update on rc2
# [17:50] <bent> RyanVM, http://www.pastebin.mozilla.org/2295397
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# [17:53] <RyanVM> bent: thanks
# [17:53] <RyanVM> khuey: ping
# [17:54] <RyanVM> jmaher: mfinkle: ...then we get another failure
# [17:54] <jmaher> ha!
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# [17:56] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/afc39d8b649a - Ryan VanderMeulen - Backed out 17 changesets (bug 566746, bug 697377) for frequent OSX debug mochitest-5 crashes.
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# [18:00] <RyanVM> jmaher: i'm still not ruling out build weirdness - I've got m-c retriggers going on the "good" builds and we're still waiting on a clobbered re-build on the merge cset
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# [18:18] <catlee> RyanVM: can I push a patch to refresh gonk snapshots on b2g18?
# [18:18] <bent> RyanVM, are you planning to push that diff?
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# [18:19] <AryehGregor> Okay, so what is this code doing and how should I fix it? http://dxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/toolkit/components/typeaheadfind/nsTypeAheadFind.cpp#l1201
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# [18:24] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/bc4dd82e27cd - David Keeler - bug 856777 - observe plugin-info-updated in nsPluginArray, not Navigator r=khuey
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# [18:26] <RyanVM> bent: yes
# [18:26] <RyanVM> catlee: can I push it along with my other stuff?
# [18:27] <catlee-lunch> RyanVM: sure!
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# [18:27] <catlee-lunch> where?
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# [18:27] <philor> ted: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=21686246&tree=Mozilla-Inbound - Baby's First Intermittent?
# [18:27] <RyanVM> pastebin?
# [18:27] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/315f6b451d07 - David Zbarsky - Bug 857884 - Use dom::EventTarget more in content/ and dom/ Part 3 r=Ms2ger
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# [18:27] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/a550dadafa30 - David Zbarsky - Bug 857884 - Use dom::EventTarget more in content/ and dom/ Part 4 r=Ms2ger
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# [18:30] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/46f9dbef58ea - Honza Bambas - Bug 600307 - localStorage and sessionStorage implementation overhaul, r=mak77+smaug, sr=smaug
# [18:31] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/001296076966 - Honza Bambas - Bug 850362 - reintroduce bug 842852 - localStorage optimizations, r=mak77
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# [18:31] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/bdf42baf15d8 - Frank Yan - Bug 860095 - Adjust overlay button sizing and positioning, especially in RTL mode. r=mbrubeck
# [18:31] <RyanVM> catlee-lunch: just pastebin or email your patch and I'll push
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# [18:34] <catlee-lunch> RyanVM: http://hg.mozilla.org/users/catlee_mozilla.com/mozilla-b2g18/rev/8a2471960574
# [18:34] <catlee-lunch> thx
# [18:34] <catlee-lunch> bbiab
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# [18:36] <@ted> philor: oof, that's...exciting
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# [18:37] <RyanVM> ted: you must be so proud
# [18:37] <RyanVM> your little test is growing up so fast!
# [18:37] <@ted> it really is a little test
# [18:37] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/03f97f46000d - Chris Lord - Bug 859100 - Fix NullPointerException in BrowserToolbar.canToolbarHide. r=kats
# [18:38] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/0a4e209fddea - Chris Lord - Bug 859031 - Fix NullPointerException in dynamic toolbar prefs getter. r=lucasr
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# [18:38] <@ted> unless that actually is some horrible fallout from my webidl backout
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# [18:42] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/e82da4f52af8 - Jeff Muizelaar - Bug 860446: Properly readback from WebGL with B2G. r=bjacob
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# [18:43] <j4nu5> John-Galt: hi. needed a little help with the enhanced customization api gsoc project ... in our last chat you suggested "store changes via the update service where available" ... i could not dig up anything related to the update service ... can u help me with a starting point?
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# [18:43] <j4nu5> or if it has been fully decided to use the update service, i can mention that in my application ... thanks!
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# [18:45] <mayhemer> what is the reason of closing mozilla-inbound?
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# [18:46] <RyanVM> mayhember: android's blowing up?
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# [18:47] <mayhemer> Ryan: that is the Unagy opt Bi burn?
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# [18:47] <mayhemer> RyanVM: ^^
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# [18:47] <RyanVM> no, it's the 30+ orange android tests
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# [18:48] <philor> mayhemer: tbpl's default view of just the most recent 10 pushes is rarely enough to look at inbound during the US daytime
# [18:48] <mayhemer> RyanVM: :((
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# [18:49] <philor> except during the frequent times when people push something that doesn't even compile, then we can get the bustage into the most recent 10
# [18:49] <@ted> time open 1147566 min
# [18:49] <@ted> firefox health report tells me my browser has been open for almost 2.25 yaers
# [18:49] <@ted> years
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# [18:50] <@ted> (on linux)
# [18:51] <mayhemer> RyanVM: philor|away: just let you know that the localStorage overhaul has a lot of very recent completely green try runs ;)
# [18:51] <RyanVM> ERROR: Could not find test manifest '-'
# [18:52] <@bz> ted: that number is ... fishy
# [18:52] <RyanVM> i've heard that one before
# [18:52] <@bz> ted: for everyone
# [18:52] * @bz has 6047608 min
# [18:52] <@bz> which is also dubious
# [18:52] <@ted> yeah
# [18:53] <bent> bsmedberg, your graph crashes nightly for me every time ;)
# [18:53] * @ted isn't sure how it's counting
# [18:53] <@bz> The "This month" number seems correct
# [18:53] <@ted> but i built this PC less than a year ago
# [18:53] <@bsmedberg> bent: that's awesome, is it filed?
# [18:53] <jfkthame> hmm, yeah, my build that has only existed for 30 seconds or so reports 1593738 min
# [18:53] <@ted> the profile probably has some old bits
# [18:53] <@bz> ted: did you migrate a profile?
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# [18:53] <@ted> but i wouldn't believe that as "time open"
# [18:53] <@bz> ted: But yeah, I have no idea what that actually counts
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# [18:54] <bent> bsmedberg, bug 782032
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# [18:54] <@bsmedberg> EXCEPTION_INT_DIVIDE_BY_ZERO
# [18:54] <jfkthame> oh, wait, "time open" means the amount of time the current profile has been open, not the current browser, i guess
# [18:54] <@bsmedberg> size.width / newSize.width
# [18:55] <@ted> jfkthame: ahh
# [18:55] <@ted> that i could believe
# [18:55] <jfkthame> i'd say that's less than obvious
# [18:55] <@ted> http://people.mozilla.com/~tmielczarek/startup.png
# [18:55] <@ted> also
# [18:55] <@ted> i think the startup numbers are suspect
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# [18:55] <@ted> i just realized the scale of the graph there
# [18:55] <@ted> apparently it took me 36 hours to start firefox last week
# [18:55] <@bz> jfkthame: even so.....
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# [18:56] <@bz> jfkthame: I guess it's possible that I migrated my Linux profile onto my Mac
# [18:56] <jfkthame> bz: yes, even so i don't actually believe it
# [18:56] <jfkthame> it gives me the exact same number for "this month"
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# [18:56] <@bsmedberg> bent: that's really special... apparently we're trying to copy something from a 0-width or 0-height surface
# [18:56] <@bz> huh
# [18:56] <jfkthame> and i'm sure i haven't had it open that much
# [18:56] <@bz> my "this month" number is about right
# [18:56] <@bz> afaict
# [18:56] <@ted> bz: heh
# [18:57] <@bsmedberg> bent: do you know if it's using your intel GPU or your nvidia GPU?
# [18:57] <bent> bsmedberg, yeah, I don't often see div-by-0 bugs!
# [18:57] <jfkthame> it also tells me "crashes: 0", which i know is untrue
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# [18:57] <jfkthame> looks to me like the health report could use a good doctor
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# [18:57] <@ted> heh
# [18:57] <@ted> jfkthame: crashes that resulted in the crash reporter?
# [18:57] <@ted> that you submitted?
# [18:58] <jfkthame> that's probably what it means, but it doesn't say so
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# [18:58] <bent> bsmedberg, i believe the intel one
# [18:58] <Ms2ger> mayhemer, *completely* green try runs? Sounds suspect ;)
# [18:58] <bent> bsmedberg, but it's always confusing
# [18:58] <@bsmedberg> bent: I'm going to run the same memory report on your crash...
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# [18:58] <bent> bsmedberg, do the second one,
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# [18:58] <bent> bsmedberg, my uptime was way less
# [18:59] <bent> less noise maybe
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# [18:59] <edmorley> RyanVM, KWierso|Home: Clint would like us to have a weekly 30min meeting, does the 30mins before the a-team meeting work for both of you>
# [18:59] <edmorley> RyanVM, KWierso|V: sorry meant #ateam
# [18:59] <jesup> ted: where do I see the numbers on health report?
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# [19:00] * jesup 's profile is old....
# [19:00] <@ted> jesup: about:healthreport
# [19:00] <mayhemer> Ms2ger: yes, just usual expected oranges
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# [19:00] <RyanVM> edmorley: wfm
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# [19:02] <jmaher> aki: RyanVM: the reftest/crashtest stuff messed up the --bootstrap parameter into - - b o o t s t r a p
# [19:02] <aki> Callek: ^^
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# [19:02] <jmaher> it appears we switched ANDROID_UNITTEST_REMOTE_EXTRAS['cmdOptions'] = ['--bootstrap'] to ANDROID_UNITTEST_REMOTE_EXTRAS = {'cmdOptions': '--bootstrap', }
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# [19:03] <jmaher> not sure what else did it
# [19:03] <jesup> Awww, only 3927 days, 10.7 years....
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# [19:03] <@bsmedberg> bent: no, you've got a nice huge 0x70DF0000 block of memory free
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# [19:04] <NeilAway> AryehGregor: in case nobody answered, nsCOMPtr<nsIPresShell> shell(do_QueryReferent(mPresShell))); if (shell) { ... { shell = nullptr; } } return shell.forget();
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# [19:04] <@bsmedberg> so your issue at least is not VM leakage
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# [19:04] <@ted> http://www.pastebin.mozilla.org/2295617
# [19:04] <@ted> yeah man
# [19:04] <@ted> i don't know what the units on those numbers are
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# [19:11] <mib_h8mnk3> hi is there any quicker way to build the firefox source? I mean every time do I have to build the whole source or can I only build the parts that I changed ?
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# [19:12] <@bsmedberg> bent: can you just debug that when it crashes and put all the relevant locals into the bug report? I think bas would probably just want to know where in that stack we ended up with a 0-size surface
# [19:12] <bent> yeah
# [19:12] <mbrubeck> mib_h8mnk3: You can build just the parts that change
# [19:12] <Ms2ger> mib_h8mnk3, the build system only rebuilds the parts that changed
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# [19:12] <@bz> In theory
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# [19:13] <jesup> ted: only 855 bookmarks? I'm nearing 5000. (Boy am I glad we don't have the perf issue we once had with building the Bookmarks menu when the # of bookmarks got up into the hundreds)
# [19:13] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/ed781d87fc46 - Ryan VanderMeulen - Backed out changeset 2ceca4816688 (bug 854614) for intermittent mochitest-a11y crashes on a CLOSED TREE.
# [19:13] <mbrubeck> mib_h8mnk3: "./mach build" will scan for changes and build only those... in some cases you can do even faster builds, for example if you only changed files in "browser" and they don't have any dependent files in other locations, you can run "./mach build browser"
# [19:13] <yzen> Yoric: ping
# [19:13] <mib_h8mnk3> mbrubeck: , Ms2ger: do I have to edit .mozconfig file or is it the way it normally behave?
# [19:13] <@ted> jesup: yeah, seems plausible
# [19:13] <Ms2ger> mib_h8mnk3, no, just ./mach build
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# [19:14] <@ted> i don't think i've maintained all my bookmarks from when i first started using phoenix
# [19:14] <@ted> probably only since shortly before the sync era
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# [19:14] <mib_h8mnk3> mbrubeck: thanks. I think I got my answer :)
# [19:14] <mib_h8mnk3> thanks guys..
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# [19:19] <bent> ugh
# [19:19] <bent> ted, is there a bug for the source server support not working?
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# [19:20] * bent thinks he asked this before sometime
# [19:20] <@ted> bent: yes :-(
# [19:20] <bent> ah, cool
# [19:20] <bent> which?
# [19:20] <@ted> bug 846864
# [19:20] <jesup> yeah, dealing with merging bookmarks totally scared me off setting up Sync
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# [19:23] <@khuey> we really need to fix that ...
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# [19:24] <RyanVM> ted: two failures on your test now
# [19:24] <@ted> RyanVM: now i am growing more suspicious of the webidl build system
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# [19:25] <RyanVM> as well you should be
# [19:25] <@ted> i fixed my webidl patch, maybe i can just reland it and that will make it go away
# [19:25] <froydnj> ted: need to spend some time sheriffing to cure you of your eternal optimism ;)
# [19:26] <Gijs> bz: so last week dolske was asking about how to move videocontrols to be non-native anonymous content
# [19:26] <Gijs> bz: so I've tried commenting out all the native stuff in nsVideoFrame.cpp, and making an XBL binding for <video> and sticking a videocontrols elem in its <content> but it seems to not work... did I misunderstand what you meant?
# [19:26] <@ted> froydnj: son, i got scars from intermittent orange older than you
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# [19:27] * RyanVM <3's jit-test failures and their completely useless output
# [19:27] <RyanVM> "yep, it failed"
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# [19:30] <JosiahOne> There doesn't happen to be a way to undo a qfinish is there?
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# [19:30] <sfink> JosiahOne: |hg qimport -r...|
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# [19:31] <JosiahOne> sfink: Thanks.
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# [19:35] <vd|zzZzZ> BenWa, dhylands: I coined a bunch of unit tests for Bug 819016 and posted a patch to the bug report
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# [19:38] <dhylands> vd: Since the original bug is marked as fixed, it makes sense to open a new bug and put the tests there.
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# [19:39] <vd> dhylands: ok, I will open a new bug
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# [19:40] <RyanVM> jmaher: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Mozilla-Inbound&rev=1c28a906a213
# [19:41] <jmaher> RyanVM: "bad Callek!"
# [19:41] <RyanVM> :D
# [19:41] <RyanVM> look at rc2
# [19:41] <RyanVM> the first 2 are from earlier
# [19:41] <Callek> yea I enjoyed the star comment
# [19:41] <RyanVM> the next 5 are post-clobber
# [19:42] <jmaher> RyanVM: Callek: do you guys have this under control?
# [19:42] <RyanVM> jmaher: the reftest issue is fixed, yes
# [19:42] <Callek> jmaher: yea, was a bustage in my releng-rollout today, that looks now fixed
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# [19:43] * Callek didn't know how he failed to properly test this
# [19:43] <RyanVM> jmaher: this is the next android build+tests post-clobber: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Mozilla-Inbound&rev=65a30bc9da3c
# [19:43] <@bsmedberg> wow
# [19:43] <@bsmedberg> you can actually fork processes on windows
# [19:43] <catlee> RyanVM: thanks!
# [19:43] <RyanVM> catlee: np
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# [19:43] <RyanVM> catlee: did you see my other birch suggestions?
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# [19:43] <@ted> bsmedberg: huh?
# [19:43] <catlee> RyanVM: nope, where?
# [19:43] <@bsmedberg> ted: RtlCloneUserProcess
# [19:44] <RyanVM> jmaher: so we should know more soon, but I *think* the results are showing the clobber to have worked
# [19:44] <RyanVM> catlee: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=860588#c3
# [19:45] <jmaher> oh cool
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# [19:46] <vd> dhylands: would you like to be set as reviewer of the patch in the new bug report?
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# [19:48] <catlee> RyanVM: sounds reasonable. Did you mean in your first paragraph to only run debug builds for linux and not for win32 or osx?
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# [19:48] <RyanVM> catlee: correct, only on the ec2-based builders, not physical boxes
# [19:48] <catlee> right
# [19:48] <catlee> I had some trouble parsing that
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# [19:49] <catlee> RyanVM: well, that WFM; how do we get signoff for htat?
# [19:49] <RyanVM> catlee: gal or someone?
# [19:49] <RyanVM> catlee: but yeah, that would cut our number of osx/win builds in half right there
# [19:49] <froydnj> ted: /wind 20
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# [19:50] <RyanVM> catlee: killing checktests would cut the runtime in half
# [19:50] <catlee> wat?
# [19:50] <catlee> that's crazy
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# [19:50] <RyanVM> it's about right
# [19:50] <RyanVM> ok, maybe 1/3
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# [19:52] <froydnj> bsmedberg: looks like the cygwin folks already tried that =/
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# [19:53] <catlee> RyanVM: can you follow up to your post to dev-b2g and suggest that?
# [19:53] <RyanVM> sure
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# [19:54] <RyanVM> philor: so far every rc2 that's run on a for-sure clobbered build is green
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# [19:56] <RyanVM> which leaves ted's bustage as the main sore thumb remaining on inbound
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# [19:56] <RyanVM> and dzbarsky's m-oth
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# [19:57] <@ted> RyanVM: i can re-land my patch
# [19:57] <@ted> or you can clobber
# [19:57] <@ted> your choice
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# [19:58] <@khuey> why do we need to clobber?
# [19:58] <RyanVM> ted: inbound's already been clobbered
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# [19:58] <RyanVM> khuey: because you don't update your patches for b2g18
# [19:58] <catlee> why do we even do dep builds?
# [19:58] <RyanVM> :P
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# [19:59] <RyanVM> heh
# [19:59] <RyanVM> ted: just re-land when inbound opens in a bit
# [19:59] <@ted> RyanVM: were there any failures post-clobber?
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# [19:59] <@ted> i mean, i have a hard time believing these are unrelated
# [19:59] <@ted> that code has been in for weeks and that test has never failed
# [19:59] <RyanVM> ted: not that I can see, but it was somewhat infrequent to begin with
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# [20:00] <@ted> and now it fails twice after i back out that patch
# [20:00] <RyanVM> which is why I'm fine with you re-landing and we'll keep an eye on it
# [20:00] <@ted> ok
# [20:00] <@ted> i'd pushed this to try and things were green, i just didn't build on android/b2g because i am foolish
# [20:00] <@ted> (also because i was trying to save resources and didn't think about it)
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# [20:02] <philor> whee, now we're getting a decent amount of bustage
# [20:02] <catlee> back on track!
# [20:02] <philor> I was worried we'd lost our ability to push totally broken crap, as long as it took after last night's reopening
# [20:02] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/eefef98b23fb - Ryan VanderMeulen - Backed out changesets a550dadafa30 and 315f6b451d07 (bug 857884) for mochitest failures on a CLOSED TREE.
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# [20:03] <Waldo> philor: we'll al^H^Hnever let you down
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# [20:06] <RyanVM> ted: inbound's open
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# [20:07] <@ted> cool, thanks
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# [20:07] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/882345a7a0a9 - Brian Smith - Bug 733632: Remove SSL/TLS Version UI, r=kaie, r=bsmith
# [20:07] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/04dbe811e4a0 - Brian Smith - Bug 733642: Allow the user to enable any version of TLS that libssl supports, maintaining our current defaults, r=dolske
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# [20:08] <@ted> and i already lost a push race :)
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# [20:08] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/dfed7579f792 - Ms2ger - bug 851542 - Gamepad to webidl (with nsIVariant). r=smaug
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# [20:09] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/737464b363f5 - Joel Maher - Bug 858084 - upload a new talos.zip to to fix the mozcrash issue. r=armenzg
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# [20:10] <RyanVM> mochitests are pretty easy to run w/ mach, right?
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# [20:10] <gps> RyanVM: yes
# [20:11] <sfink> easier than any other way
# [20:11] <sfink> except they still take over your computer
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# [20:11] <RyanVM> so a developer could do so without too much effort if they so chose, right?
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# [20:11] <sfink> if you ignore the "take over your computer" part, yes
# [20:12] <RyanVM> rather than waiting on a Try push or not doing anything at all
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# [20:12] <RyanVM> sfink: meh, it's just an excuse for an office chair swordfight
# [20:12] <sfink> if there's a single test that's failing, that's totally reasonable
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# [20:12] <jdm> RyanVM: you appear to be in a sassy mood today
# [20:12] <jdm> "We generally recommend that mochitests continue to pass after a patch lands."
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# [20:12] <RyanVM> sfink: or say a few suites that fail epically?
# [20:13] <RyanVM> jdm: only been cleaning up bustage for 6 hours so far today :)
# [20:13] <jdm> oh man
# [20:13] <jdm> my heart goes out to you in a sincere way
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# [20:13] <sfink> if they fail epically, then generally it doesn't take long to reproduce, so sure
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# [20:13] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/270ad24960d3 - Bobby Holley - Bug 859957 - Simplify [[DefaultValue]] security wrapping setup. r=mrbkap,gabor,ejpbruel
# [20:15] <sfink> if you're swordfighting in an actual mozilla office chair, then you're in a mozilla office, which suggests that perhaps we should have one or two VNC servers for each platform in each office to easily run mochitests on
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# [20:15] <sfink> not that I'm volunteering to set up or maintain them
# [20:15] <Ms2ger> sfink, you mean, try? :)
# [20:16] <philor> nah, nobody uses try, it always takes more than 24 hour to get any results at all
# [20:16] <sfink> try, except you can easily run single tests, and log in without filing a bug to request a slave etc
# [20:16] <RyanVM> sfink: all I'm saying is that for all the whining we do about Try being backed up, doing a local sanity check doesn't seem like a horrible burdon
# [20:16] <philor> needs-focus is a burden, though
# [20:16] <RyanVM> so start it and grab lunch
# [20:16] <RyanVM> or go to bed
# [20:17] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/a1c5f1c5fb1d - Sean Stangl - Bug 853154 - Generate and root target JSScripts during MIR construction. r=h4writer, a=akeybl
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# [20:17] <gps> why don't our test runners automatically re-run tests that fail as a method to isolate intermittent from persistent failures?
# [20:17] <Ms2ger> My laptop is next to my bed, I can't sleep while running mochitests
# [20:17] <philor> infinite loop
# [20:17] <@bz> you run mochitests locally?
# [20:18] <@ted> gps: it's a pain
# [20:18] <@ted> to get right
# [20:18] <@ted> is all
# [20:18] <Ms2ger> bz, RyanVM is suggesting we do
# [20:18] <mib_h8mnk3> hi after I build the firefox source I ran it and gor this error msg : Could not find the Mozilla runtime. (working on ubuntu PC)
# [20:18] <RyanVM> do we really need to push to inbound to find out that a patch blows up basically every mochitest suite?
# [20:18] <RyanVM> on eveyr platform?
# [20:18] <@bz> RyanVM: so the problem is that running mochitests is a huge PITA. ;)
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# [20:20] <RyanVM> so are backouts and tree closures
# [20:20] <@bz> RyanVM: yes
# [20:20] <@bz> RyanVM: but this is a classic case of externalities
# [20:20] <sfink> not so much for the pusher
# [20:20] <dholbert> mib_h8mnk3, where did you get the source, and what command are you invoking to run firefox?
# [20:20] <@bz> RyanVM: backouts and tree closures are a PITA for other people
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# [20:20] <@bz> RyanVM: whereas running mochitests is a PITA for the person running them
# [20:21] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/fff11ed20a04 - Allison Naaktgeboren - Bug 835999 - add a topsites grid to the snapped view.r=mbrubeck
# [20:21] <philor> I know, maybe we should NOT DISCOURAGE PEOPLE FROM RUNNING TESTS ON TRY@
# [20:21] <derf> Also, running mochitests is a PITA for _every_ _patch_.
# [20:21] <@bz> philor++
# [20:21] <mib_h8mnk3> dholbert: I just followed this https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Simple_Firefox_build
# [20:21] <RyanVM> bz: I don't know, I recall hearing you complain more than once about inbound closures
# [20:21] <derf> While most of the time when you push something you don't break the tree.
# [20:21] <@bz> RyanVM: I mean... you've run mochitests, right?
# [20:21] <RyanVM> affecting your workflow negatively
# [20:21] <RyanVM> in the good old days, yes :)
# [20:21] <RyanVM> pre-mach
# [20:21] <@bz> RyanVM: That is a pale shadow of how negative running mochitests locally would be
# [20:21] <philor> have a high scores page for backed out pushes, instead of careful development practices
# [20:21] <@bz> RyanVM: if the tree is closed, I can do other things
# [20:22] <dholbert> mib_h8mnk3, so you're running "obj-*/dist/bin/firefox" to start it?
# [20:22] <@bz> RyanVM: If I'm running mochitests locally, I go for a walk
# [20:22] <froydnj> a long walk
# [20:22] <@bz> RyanVM: because I can't use the computer
# [20:22] <sfink> philor++
# [20:22] <@bz> RyanVM: until they're done.
# [20:22] <dholbert> mib_h8mnk3, try "mkdir /tmp/foo; obj-whatever/dist/bin/firefox -profile /tmp/foo -no-remote"
# [20:22] <mbrubeck> speaking of which, /me needs to start a local mochitest run for bug 847279 :(
# [20:22] <RyanVM> bz: sounds like a wise thing to do anyway
# [20:22] * @bz will sometimes spot-run a single test
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# [20:22] <@bz> RyanVM: which?
# [20:22] <@ted> i don't think ryanvm is saying "run all mochitests"
# [20:22] <@ted> because yeah, that sucks
# [20:22] <@ted> i think just "did you run any mochitests at all"
# [20:22] <Ms2ger> Mm
# [20:22] <@bz> That's what I sure thought he was saying!
# [20:23] <derf> I mean, if I want to run tests, I push to try.
# [20:23] <philor> just run all the ones that your patch will cause to fail
# [20:23] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/b225cfbfda52 - Sriram Ramasubramanian - Bug 848961: Cleanup font-sizes in Android UI. [r=mfinkle]
# [20:23] <@bz> I mean, clearly I run the mochitests I added.
# [20:23] <Ms2ger> Where did the Sombrero of Shame go?
# [20:23] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/13606f290f3b - Sriram Ramasubramanian - Bug 823644: Base TextAppearances for the application. [r=mfinkle]
# [20:23] <gps> thanks everyone for reminding me to finish my "tests requiring focus considered evil" post
# [20:23] <catlee> RyanVM: I've got something similar for b2g-v101 - do you have anything you need landed there too?
# [20:23] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/625041f40a97 - Sriram Ramasubramanian - Bug 823644: Remove the style named "Screen". [r=mfinkle]
# [20:23] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/c6e7a7888876 - Sriram Ramasubramanian - Bug 850927: Redundant doorhanger layout xml file. [r=mfinkle]
# [20:23] <philor> determining which that is is an exercise left up to the reader
# [20:23] <RyanVM> catlee: already did :(
# [20:23] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/50ddb97f5723 - Sriram Ramasubramanian - Bug 823644: Cleanup list-view style. [r=mfinkle]
# [20:23] <@bz> Note that sometimes you can't win
# [20:23] <froydnj> gps++
# [20:23] <RyanVM> though I can push khuey's patch
# [20:23] <@ted> i think if you ran the tests you added or tests in the area of code you touched
# [20:23] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/f85629692c59 - Sriram Ramasubramanian - Bug 823644: Text appearance for about:home. [r=mfinkle]
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# [20:23] <@ted> then you have done your due dilligence
# [20:23] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/0b212f5b6bbc - Sriram Ramasubramanian - Bug 823644: Base theme for Fennec. [r=mfinkle]
# [20:23] <RyanVM> catlee: yeah, send it my way
# [20:23] * @bz points to this b2g insanity he's been debugging for the last few days
# [20:23] <@bz> ted: that concept may not exist
# [20:23] <@gavin> gps: there will always be tests that require focus
# [20:23] <@bz> ted: e.g. if I touch bindings code...
# [20:24] <@bz> ted: the "area of code" means "everything"
# [20:24] <Ms2ger> gavin, but most of them don't
# [20:24] <gps> gavin: sure. but we can actively work to minimize that number
# [20:24] <@gavin> gps: cause you know, we need to test focus :)
# [20:24] <@gavin> requiring focus unnecessarily, sure
# [20:24] <Ms2ger> gavin, also, in the middle of a run
# [20:24] <@gavin> splitting them up into a separate run, sure
# [20:24] <@ted> bz: yeah, that sucks
# [20:24] <nalexander> What is the command to run "M bc" locally? Is that ./mach mochitest-chrome?
# [20:24] <RyanVM> whatever, /me lunches
# [20:25] <Ms2ger> nalexander, no
# [20:25] <nalexander> Or ./mach mochitest-browser?
# [20:25] <@gavin> but I'm not actually sure I believe that there are many tests that in theory don't require focus but don't in practice
# [20:25] <Ms2ger> Browser
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# [20:25] <@ted> nalexander: the latter
# [20:25] <RyanVM> someone else can star inbound for awhile
# [20:25] <mbrubeck> nalexander: mochitest-browser
# [20:25] <nalexander> Thanks guys!
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# [20:25] <@bz> ted: on the other hand, I do use try, for precisely that reason....
# [20:25] <@gavin> mach should just accept the same aliases that tbpl uses
# [20:25] * @bz really wishes we were not so short on builder capacity
# [20:25] <gps> gavin: file a bug
# [20:25] <@ted> if only we had some sort of sane centralized naming
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# [20:25] <@bz> including test slaves
# [20:25] <Ms2ger> ted, and if that lived in the tree ;)
# [20:25] <gps> gavin: also, once mochitest manifests land, |mach test <path>| should be doable
# [20:25] <gps> no need to be concerned with a test's flavor
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# [20:26] <@gavin> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=860839
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# [20:26] <Ms2ger> gps, should be easy, just look at the path after jmaher lands his patches
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# [20:28] <jmaher> Ms2ger++
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# [20:29] <jmaher> mbrubeck: your patch for tresize looks good: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=a297fd1930b4 (linux T(c) )
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# [20:32] <mbrubeck> jmaher: yay! Now I wonder how many other date.getTime and Date.now calls we can convert. :)
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# [20:32] <jmaher> mbrubeck: I will see if we can do this in other tests...thanks for the jumpstart on this
# [20:33] <mbrubeck> jmaher: It doesn't look like that Try run had my patch applied, though
# [20:33] <jmaher> mbrubeck:
# [20:33] <mbrubeck> the raw data in the logs is all in integers, and talos/startup_test/tresize-test.html in http://people.mozilla.org/~jmaher/taloszips/zips/talos.80db1b4c85b4.zip does not have my changes
# [20:34] <jmaher> mbrubeck: it should have had your patch...hmm
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# [20:36] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/e1fd922ead11 - Boris Zbarsky - Bug 860551. Fix instanceof for prototype-less interface objects to be saner. r=dzbarsky
# [20:36] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/fc32e1f944e3 - Boris Zbarsky - Bug 860473 part 3. Root ErrorResult::ThrowJSException. r=evilpie,smaug
# [20:36] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/dfa9337d57ed - Boris Zbarsky - Bug 860473 part 1. Root WebIDL dictionary ParseJSON. r=evilpie, smaug
# [20:36] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/83b8038839f1 - Michael Harrison - Bug 855402. Don't try to write to the startup cache if there isn't one, and definitely don't start _thinking_ we've written to it. r=ehsan
# [20:36] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/df6981fad6a2 - Boris Zbarsky - Bug 860473 part 2. Root WebIDL dictionary ToObject. r=evilpie,smaug
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# [20:38] <catlee> RyanVM|lunch: http://hg.mozilla.org/users/catlee_mozilla.com/mozilla-b2g18_v1_0_1/rev/58a13f0575cb
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# [20:42] <catlee> RyanVM|lunch: http://hg.mozilla.org/users/catlee_mozilla.com/mozilla-b2g18_v1_0_1/rev/b35eed1ab45e
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# [20:43] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/e438d532b4af - Sean Stangl - Bug 858783 - Check user-controlled asm.js flag. r=luke
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# [20:44] <nalexander> What does gre stand for? I.e., why am I always writing gre/modules?
# [20:44] <@gavin> gecko runtime environment
# [20:45] <nalexander> gavin: ta.
# [20:45] <@bsmedberg> johns/bz: in case it's not clear from the reports, bug 859099 is not a null-deref, it's almost certainly the pure-virtual handler kicking in
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# [20:49] <jmaher> mbrubeck: I downloaded the talos.zip and verified your fix is in it
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# [20:49] <Waldo> froydnj: if I rubberstamp bug 859257, how much would adding those volatiles make it less likely for the underlying bug to be fixed in short order? (and, ideally, for the effort of developing a fix to point out a better solution that doesn't involve forcing every read/write to happen anew each time)
# [20:49] <jmaher> mbrubeck: the first data point (reported as 14.00) didn't have your fix, the rest of them do have your fix
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# [20:56] <froydnj> lovely, the clang build has parallel races :(
# [20:57] <froydnj> Waldo: I think rs+'ing that patch would have epsilon effect on the timeline for the bug fix
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# [20:57] <abr> How long does tbpl keep logs around?
# [20:57] <froydnj> Waldo: was planning on investigating later today or tomorrow
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# [20:58] <abr> I'm trying to get one from the main tree from mid-February, but all I get is "Unknown run ID."
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# [20:58] <Waldo> froydnj: okay; random nuke-from-orbit volatile-hammering is just something I'd rather avoid -- one thing if it'd been a surgical strike, but that's not one :-)
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# [20:59] <philor> abr: the same time as ftp.m.o keeps them around, 30 days I think
# [20:59] <abr> philor: Aha, thanks.
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# [21:02] <RyanVM> bz: I guess my main point is that especially now, we can't afford to have people using inbound as Try
# [21:02] <RyanVM> and that was clearly the case in this instance
# [21:02] <RyanVM> or the case of landing patches that don't even compile
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# [21:04] <@bz> RyanVM: Oh, _that_ we agree on
# [21:04] <@bz> RyanVM: Doing basic due diligence should not be optional
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# [21:07] <Yoric> mak: Meeting in progress.
# [21:07] <Yoric> gps: Meeting in progress.
# [21:07] <Yoric> jwalker: Meeting in progress.
# [21:07] <@bsmedberg> How is it I get quicksearch to look at bug comments?
# [21:07] <@gavin> Yoric: meeting?
# [21:07] <jesup> bz/RyanVM: agreed; though we can't afford (timewise of infra-wise) a try run for every commit, so generally (for a lot of patches) we'll get builds-and-works-on-my-local-platform, which once in a while blows up compiling on others (esp. with warn-as-errors)
# [21:07] <Yoric> gavin: Async & Responsive
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# [21:09] <mak> Yoric: can't find the invite
# [21:09] <Yoric> mak: Performance room
# [21:10] <Yoric> gavin: You're not in the shortlist :)
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# [21:10] <mbrubeck> jmaher: Ah, you are right. Thanks!
# [21:11] <mbrubeck> jmaher: I had found that Try push earlier and checked out the .zip to see if it was "my" Try push -- you must have changed it later. :)
# [21:11] * mbrubeck is too eager
# [21:11] <jmaher> mbrubeck: it was confusing- I was using my try saver trick to switch out talos.zip and retrigger
# [21:11] <jmaher> I like keeping off the high score list ;)
# [21:11] <tbsaunde> bsmedberg: did you somehow miss that one of my patches in bug 860027 was missing a file?
# [21:11] <@bz> jesup: I think RyanVM would be happy if there were no pushes that fail to build on _all_ platforms.
# [21:12] <jesup> bz++
# [21:12] <RyanVM> bz: yes
# [21:12] <@bsmedberg> tbsaunde: apparently
# [21:12] <RyanVM> i'm looking for basic sanity checks
# [21:12] <Yoric> mak: https://etherpad.mozilla.org/Async&Responsive
# [21:12] <Yoric> ttaubert: gps: ^
# [21:13] <tbsaunde> bsmedberg: want me to upload it?
# [21:13] * @bsmedberg wonders if there's a way to contract out writing a windows debugger tool
# [21:13] <BenWa> bsmedberg: Looks like you found a pattern, can we try to break on allocations of size 0x880000?
# [21:13] <@bsmedberg> tbsaunde: yeah probably
# [21:13] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/dbf9ab7dec31 - Michael Vines - Bug 859486 - Add system property to enable the unloading of Wi-Fi drivers r=mrbkap
# [21:13] <@bsmedberg> BenWa: oh, I already knew of that pattern, but what do we *do* after we break?
# [21:13] <tbsaunde> bsmedberg: will do
# [21:14] <@bsmedberg> BenWa: and that size may be specific to the window size of Firefox or something
# [21:14] <mbrubeck> jmaher, catlee: By the way... just thinking out loud here... if the output from a Talos run included average *and* stddev (instead of just average like it does now), we could do better statistical comparisons with fewer datapoints.
# [21:14] * @bsmedberg is willing to say that it probably is dependent on some graphics buffer size
# [21:14] <tbsaunde> RyanVM: so your pushing for all pushes haveing builds everywhere atleast on try first?
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# [21:14] <@bz> no
# [21:15] <@bz> he's pushing for all pushes to have been built _somewhere_
# [21:15] <@bz> Which seems pretty reasonable
# [21:15] <jmaher> mbrubeck: this is part of the reason we want to report *all* the data to the graph server, that required a lot of changes, hence datazilla which collects all the raw data points
# [21:15] <BenWa> bsmedberg: graphics buffer tend to not be as nice as 0x880000
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# [21:15] <BenWa> windows are often not even sized for example
# [21:15] <jmaher> mbrubeck: I would be open to something in the short term now, we can easily report more stuff :)
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# [21:15] <mbrubeck> jmaher: Awesome. I've started reading up on datazilla but I don't have the whole picture yet.
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# [21:16] <tbsaunde> bz: ah, yeah, that's reasonable
# [21:16] <jmaher> mbrubeck: it is a dictionary definition of running into roadblocks...we have come far with the talos portion of it
# [21:16] <RyanVM> bz: preferably a test run *somewhere* too
# [21:16] <@bsmedberg> BenWa: any block is going to be a multiple of 64k
# [21:16] <RyanVM> even one platform on Try is better than nothing
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# [21:16] <BenWa> ohh right, nevermind =\
# [21:17] <RyanVM> or if you're going to be away from your computer for an hour or two, locally
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# [21:17] <BenWa> It's about 1055 32bit pixels squared if it's a memory buffer. So it is possible I guess
# [21:17] <tbsaunde> RyanVM: yeah, that's reasonable, and what I usually do unless its super unlikely the patch will be tested (like build fixes or untested code)
# [21:17] <@bsmedberg> BenWa: right now I want the simplest solution that will let this user log all the calls to MapViewOfFile and UnmapViewOfFile in some reasonable way
# [21:17] <BenWa> 1500* actually
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# [21:18] <mbrubeck> jmaher: If there are any ways I can help out without too much time away from my real job, I'd be happy. I've recently become obsessed again with Talos regression-finding bugs, as you probably noticed. :)
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# [21:18] <jmaher> mbrubeck: yes, I have noticed- that is a good thing!
# [21:19] <jmaher> mbrubeck: we are planning to send emails to a mailing list in the next couple weeks for our automatic regression finder for tp5
# [21:19] <jesup> bz: the only times I don't is when it's just a rebase after pull-u (which is all the time), or sometimes minor nit-fixes (comments, indent, style) and my inbound tree is clobbered or otherwise needs full rebuild. If my tree is clean, it's only a few minutes to spin a build, but I realize not everyone's is that fast -- especially on Windows
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# [21:20] <jmaher> mbrubeck: we could add you to that list- moar eyes on the results at that stage would be very helpful!
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# [21:20] * jesup should see how much faster windows builds are now that he has an SSD and 16GB ram - if VS2010 would actually run :-(
# [21:21] <mbrubeck> jmaher: sure, please do
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# [21:21] <jesup> Full uninstall and re-install (vs2010 and mozillabuild), still doesn't work
# [21:22] <jesup> Impressively borked.
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# [21:22] <mcsmurf> jesup: you get a build error?
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# [21:24] <jesup> Can't find a DLL trying to compile in configure - and the DLL is there
# [21:24] <jmaher> mbrubeck: filed the bug for IT to do that- next week I will send out a general update to folks, I will include you on the list
# [21:24] <froydnj> DONTBUILD can appear anywhere in the commit message, correct?
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# [21:25] <billm> does anyone know what to do about this error when starting mochitests: "ImportError: No module named mozcrash"
# [21:25] <@bz> yes
# [21:25] <@bz> run python from objdir/_virtualenv/bin/python
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# [21:25] <billm> is that something I just have to do always now?
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# [21:26] <@bz> yep
# [21:26] <billm> that sucks
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# [21:26] <gcp> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=afc339eb875b
# [21:26] <gcp> pink?
# [21:26] <mcsmurf> maybe alias python in your build env
# [21:26] <@bz> I believe the standard advice is to use mach
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# [21:26] <billm> bz: ok, thanks
# [21:27] <@bz> But yes, it does rather suck.
# [21:27] <padenot> gcp: ping is cancelled
# [21:27] <@bz> No problem.
# [21:27] <jhammel> gps: how would you feel about adding exporting the virtualenv bin PATH or at least displaying it at the end-of-build
# [21:27] <billm> I haven't had good experiences with mach, but maybe I'll try again
# [21:27] <jhammel> ?
# [21:27] <gcp> that's new, isn't it. it used to just be red.
# [21:27] <padenot> purple
# [21:27] <padenot> red is failed
# [21:28] <@bz> billm: file bugs on gps as needed.....
# [21:28] <jesup> mcsmurf: can't open file LIBCMT.lib
# [21:28] <mcsmurf> jesup: hm, never heard of that one..
# [21:28] <gps> billm: I'm very curious whenever someone says mach isn't sufficient today
# [21:28] <mcsmurf> and I've seen quite a few build errors on windows ;)
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# [21:28] <jesup> And that is using ./mach (or python, doesn't mattet)
# [21:28] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/71bf6bcba445 - Nathan Froyd - Bug 860860 - use json instead of simplejson in build-clang.py; r=gps
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# [21:30] <gps> jhammel: I have a giant blog post queued that touches on that question
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# [21:31] <jhammel> gps: you and your giant blog posts :P i look forward to reading
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# [21:31] <Ms2ger> billm, I'm curious too :)
# [21:31] <gps> jhammel: this one is worse than most. it's essentially a brain dump of all the semi-related issues involved with mach, build system, moz.build, etc
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# [21:32] <billm> gps: I tried it again and it looks better. I'll see how it goes. in the past I had trouble because I couldn't run tests with a debugger.
# [21:33] <jhammel> gps: you should say "skyward vision" instead of brain dump...better for branding :P
# [21:33] <Ms2ger> billm, that, at least, should be fixed now :)
# [21:33] <gps> billm: if you find any rough edges, please file bugs!
# [21:33] <billm> gps: also, there doesn't seem to be much documentation on how to specify an objdir
# [21:33] <gps> billm: it uses mozconfigs
# [21:33] <Ms2ger> billm, specifying an objdir doesn't work yet
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# [21:33] <gps> MOZCONFIG=/path/to/mozconfig mach foo
# [21:34] <gps> if the default mozconfig isn't appropriate
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# [21:34] <gps> billm: see https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Developer_Guide/mach#Adding_mach_to_your_shell%27s_search_path
# [21:34] <billm> gps: yeah, I finally figured that out, but there's no documentation for it that I could find
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# [21:35] <gps> OK. I'll try to throw some docs up somewhere
# [21:35] <billm> gps: imo, the main help screen for mach should tell you how to use mozconfigs so you can change the objdir.
# [21:35] <gps> indeed
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# [21:35] <billm> thanks
# [21:35] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/5e573a8f7ce1 - Reuben Morais - Bug 856358 - Remove ContactProperties types from window. r=gwagner
# [21:35] * Ms2ger doesn't think mach should use mozconfigs at all
# [21:36] <gaston> glandium: can you explain the motivation for moving stuff under browser/ in the package in 21b1 ? i'm just curious
# [21:36] <yzen> Yoric: i have a couple of questions re bug 833286 whenever you have a moment
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# [21:36] <Ms2ger> gaston, metro
# [21:36] <gaston> ugh
# [21:36] <gps> Ms2ger: indeed. that's covered in my blog post
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# [21:37] <Ms2ger> gps, I look forward to it :)
# [21:37] * jhammel wonders if temporal paradoxes are covered in gps's blog post, along with a proof of Fermat's last theorem....
# [21:37] <mccr8> anybody know of a bug on file about the new tab page having a bunch of 3x3 squares on the right side, then if you click on it, the new tab page is blank?
# [21:37] <gaston> -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 6194174 Apr 11 21:28 ../fake-amd64/usr/local/lib/firefox-21.0//omni.ja
# [21:38] <gaston> -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 3529836 Apr 11 21:28 ../fake-amd64/usr/local/lib/firefox-21.0/browser/omni.ja
# [21:38] <gaston> was this intended ?
# [21:38] <gps> gaston: that looks off. ping glandium
# [21:38] <gaston> two different omni.ja files ?
# [21:39] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/2d4d6eea0dd6 - leo.bugzilla.gecko@gmail.com - Bug 852057 - Sort contacts correctly when givenName or familyName is null. r=gwagner
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# [21:40] <glandium> gaston: yes
# [21:40] <RyanVM> abr: inbound bustage
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# [21:40] <gaston> so one for webapprt and one for browser ?
# [21:40] <abr> Argh! Thanks for the heads up.
# [21:41] <Yoric> yzen: Maybe in 1/2h.
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# [21:42] <yzen> Yoric: thanks, ill ping again :)
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# [21:43] <glandium> gaston: one for webapprt, one for browser and one for gre
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# [21:43] <gaston> ok, as long as it makes sense somewhere.. :)
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# [21:44] <glandium> Ms2ger: why shouldn't it use mozconfig?
# [21:44] <abr> ryanvm: can you throw the patch out?
# [21:44] <Ms2ger> glandium, I hate mozconfigs :)
# [21:44] <RyanVM> abr: sure
# [21:44] <abr> Thanks
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# [21:46] <jhammel> Ms2ger: why do you hate mozconfigs?
# [21:46] <Ms2ger> jhammel, they look worse than inis
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# [21:46] <jhammel> oh, just as an aesthetic
# [21:46] <jhammel> who cares? they could be lisp
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# [21:46] <luisbg> is there any document/video out there to learn about the event loop used in the mozilla projects?
# [21:46] <Ms2ger> jhammel, also, the fact that it's a shell script
# [21:47] <Ms2ger> luisbg, the HTML spec, I guess
# [21:47] <glandium> Ms2ger: i actually like that it's a shell script
# [21:47] <jhammel> Ms2ger: well, yes; like i said...could be lisp
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# [21:47] <luisbg> Ms2ger, which spec sorry?
# [21:47] <Ms2ger> luisbg, HTML: http://www.whatwg.org/html
# [21:47] <glandium> Ms2ger: because i have exactly one mozconfig that allows me to build all kinds of combination of setups
# [21:48] <jhammel> ...and its also my .bashrc...
# [21:48] <glandium> android/desktop opt/debug/pgo x86/mips/arm etc.
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# [21:49] <glandium> different ndk, different android version, etc.
# [21:49] <glandium> that would just not work with static files
# [21:49] <luisbg> Ms2ger, wow! that is a really interested document. thanks :)
# [21:49] <luisbg> Ms2ger, unfortunately it isn't what I was looking for
# [21:49] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/f23121d10690 - Ryan VanderMeulen - Backed out changeset f556245d6da1 (bug 856848) for build bustage on a CLOSED TREE.
# [21:50] <luisbg> I'm looking at code that sends notifications, or other code that in the comments it takes about "send it to the event loop". in mozilla-core
# [21:50] <luisbg> wondering how this event loop works
# [21:50] <Ms2ger> How about http://www.whatwg.org/html/#event-loops ?
# [21:50] <sfink> mccr8: uh, I think that's the intended UI. (Tooltip says 'Hide the new tab page', unless you're one of us who have already clicked it to get rid of the annoying new tab page, in which case it'll say 'Show the new tab page')
# [21:51] <luisbg> Ms2ger, oooh. Interesting. thanks :)
# [21:51] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/e7cb5c6e47f0 - Ryan VanderMeulen - Backed out changeset 5e573a8f7ce1 (bug 856358) for bustage on a CLOSED TREE.
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# [21:54] <mccr8> sfink: hmmm weird! I see over a dozen of the little things to click on which seems weird to me. but thanks.
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# [21:54] <sfink> mccr8: wait, over a dozen? There should just be a compact grid of 3x3 gray squares in the upper right.
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# [21:55] <mccr8> sfink: for me, the entire right side of the new tabs page is lined with the squares-of-squares
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# [21:55] <sfink> oh, you said "a bunch of 3x3 squares". Yeah, that seems bad.
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# [21:55] <sfink> there should be 1.
# [21:56] <Gijs> mccr8: sfink: yeah, known issue, fixed on inbound.
# [21:56] <mccr8> Gijs: great, thanks! I won't file then. ;)
# [21:56] <Gijs> bug 860370
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# [21:59] <reuben> RyanVM: hey, thanks for backing me out. I think that's because it needs a clobber. where is the process documented?
# [21:59] <RyanVM> reuben: these days, you just need to push an update to CLOBBER alongside your other changes
# [22:00] <reuben> RyanVM: cool
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# [22:02] <@khuey> what did you back out?
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# [22:03] <RyanVM> see inbound tip
# [22:03] <RyanVM> yay, a new leak on inbound too
# [22:03] <philor> what didn't you back out? is a much easier question to answer, generally
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# [22:04] <j4nu5> John-Galt: hi. needed a little help with the enhanced customization api gsoc project ... in our last chat you suggested "store changes via the update service where available" ... i could not dig up anything related to the update service ... can u help me with a starting point?
# [22:04] <catlee> mbrubeck: I'm not sure how https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/page.cgi?id=splinter.html&bug=858756&attachment=734198 will behave as it processes new data. wouldn't we possibly get multiple regression notices?
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# [22:05] <reuben> Bas: I don't think you intended to land these? :) http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/ee5ca214e87c#l92.3 and http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/ee5ca214e87c#l95.3
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# [22:05] <John-Galt> j4nu5: https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/what-mozilla-maintenance-service https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=481815
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# [22:06] <j4nu5> John-Galt: thanks :)
# [22:07] <RyanVM> philor: why am I having a hard time believing that this backout seriously made winxp m2 start leaking? https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/ed781d87fc46
# [22:07] <naveed> till:ping
# [22:07] <Bas> reuben: We noted them :) Sorry! :)
# [22:07] <till> naveed: hey
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# [22:10] <j4nu5> John-Galt: isnt it windows specific ... or the underlying mechanism http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/toolkit/mozapps/update/nsIUpdateService.idl and thus platform independent?
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# [22:10] <jlebar> Can I dump to the console or otherwise do some sort of output from a DOM worker, without going through the main thread?
# [22:10] <j4nu5> *is the underlying mechanism
# [22:11] <reuben> I'm not sure what to put in the CLOBBER file. "Bug 856358 needs a clobber because it renames an IDL file" ?
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# [22:11] * reuben expected the build system to know better
# [22:11] <Ms2ger> Bwahahahaha
# [22:11] <John-Galt> j4nu5: It is. You'd need a fallback method for when the service is not available.
# [22:12] <@khuey> reuben: I think people broke this recently
# [22:12] <gaston> glandium: so the "top-level" omni.ja is for gre ?
# [22:12] <vd> Am I supposed to use both "ac_add_options --enable-application=browser" and "ac_add_options --enable-default-toolkit=cairo-gonk" in $MOZCONFIG while compiling mozilla-central? Any chance those two are mutually exclusive?
# [22:12] <John-Galt> This is mainly a problem on Windows, though, since that's what malware tends to target, so it's not a huge issue.
# [22:12] <@khuey> reuben: can you file a bug?
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# [22:12] <reuben> khuey: bad! I'll file a bug
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# [22:13] <@smaug> vd: you're not supposed to use --enable-default-toolkit
# [22:13] <@smaug> usually
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# [22:13] <j4nu5> John-Galt: storage seems to be an important part of the project IMHO ... wont a forked, platform based approach be unclean?
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# [22:15] <John-Galt> j4nu5: Sometimes things need to be platform-specific. In any case, it doesn't need to be strictly platform-specific. If we decide to use the update service, we should do so when it's available and do something else when it's not.
# [22:16] <vd> smaug: ok, the reason I did that is that I want to have MOZ_WIDGET_GONK defined while compilng xpcom/glue/FileUtils.cpp and I spotted that it will be defined if I use --enable-default-toolkit=cairo-gonk. How do I compile mozilla-central so that macro is defined?
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# [22:16] <philor> RyanVM: seems awfully unlikely, doesn't it?
# [22:16] <@smaug> vd: so do you want to compile normal desktop Firefox?
# [22:17] <@smaug> gonk is for b2g
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# [22:17] <philor> sort of hard to see straight down there, among all the other failure
# [22:18] <vd> smaug: I do not care, I used to compile normal desktop firefox so I could run firefox -unittest, if I am not to compile firefox, then how do I exec the unit tests?
# [22:18] <nalexander> Hey, I'm watching Services-Central and trying to star my build. But my stars don't "stick". Do I need to do something, like log in?
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# [22:18] * @smaug doesn't know what -unittest is
# [22:19] <vd> hmm
# [22:19] <@smaug> oh, you don't mean a parameter to firefox binary
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# [22:19] <j4nu5> John-Galt: ok ... 1 more thing: for reverting the protected preferences when an extension is uninstalled, what is the usual approach: an observer-observable design or changing the behaviour of the uninstall/disable button
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# [22:19] <@gavin> nalexander: shouldn't
# [22:19] <dholbert> vd, if there are unittests that are #ifdef MOZ_WIDGET_GONK, then they presumably are only intended to be run in firefox OS builds
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# [22:19] <vd> smaug: I mean the param to the firefox binary indeed
# [22:19] <dholbert> vd, so unless you're building firefox os, I wouldn't worry about them
# [22:19] <@smaug> you do
# [22:19] <@smaug> then I have no idea what -unittest is about
# [22:19] <nalexander> gavin: you mean, I shouldn't need to log in for my stars to be permanent?
# [22:20] <j4nu5> John-Galt: i.e. the api actively observing extensions or providing callbacks to the api in the uninstall mechanism ...
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# [22:20] <vd> dholbert: I want to add a unit test that calls a function defined inside MOZ_WIDGET_GONK
# [22:21] <dholbert> vd, is this unit test intended to be run only for firefox os, or on all platforms?
# [22:21] <@gavin> nalexander: correct
# [22:21] <dholbert> vd, basically, I'd ask whoever wrote the code that you're calling into
# [22:21] <John-Galt> j4nu5: Depending on the type of extension, either an AddonManager observer, or shutdown and uninstall callbacks in bootstrap.js
# [22:21] <vd> dholbert: I wrote it!
# [22:21] <nalexander> gavin: ah, I wasn't adding the comment correctly. Thanks.
# [22:21] <dholbert> oh... /me just noticed that :)
# [22:21] <vd> :)
# [22:21] <mbrubeck> catlee: We use warning_history.json to prevent re-sending the exact same warning email -- that will still work the same after this patch.
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# [22:21] <John-Galt> j4nu5: In this case, since the code would not reside in the add-on, add-on observers would be the only option.
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# [22:22] <mbrubeck> catlee: In fact, it will work better, since currently we might flag several changesets in a row for the same regression. On the first run, we'll send an email for the first changeset. On the next run, we skip that but send an email for the second changset... and so on.
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# [22:22] <vd> dholbert: it is a generic function ReadSysFile(), could possibly eventiually be used elsewhere
# [22:22] <mbrubeck> catlee: With the patch, we will choose just one of those changesets to flag, send an email for it, and put it in warning_history.json
# [22:23] <dholbert> vd, is there any reason it has to be #ifdef'ed?
# [22:23] <vd> dholbert: but if we assume that the func is only going to be used on firefox os
# [22:23] <vd> dholbert: yes, to minimize bloat where the func is not going to be used
# [22:23] <dholbert> ah, ok
# [22:24] <dholbert> vd, you could make it #if defined (MOZ_WIDGET_GONK) || defined (DEBUG), perhaps
# [22:24] <vd> aha!
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# [22:24] <vd> this is what I did :)
# [22:25] <dholbert> vd, but it sounds like dhylands can give you more direct / informed tips on this
# [22:25] <vd> but BenWa suggested that the unit test be defined only where the func is defined
# [22:26] <vd> I used #if defined (MOZ_WIDGET_GONK) || defined(MOZ_ENABLE_GTEST)
# [22:26] <j4nu5> John-Galt: ok ... ill send another draft of my application soon .. thanks!
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# [22:26] <dholbert> vd, looks like you were checking GTEST, not DEBUG
# [22:26] <BenWa> vd: MOZ_ENABLE_GTEST will be replaced by MOZ_ENABLE_TESTS (sp?) which is the configuration which ship
# [22:26] <firebot> The dictionary service is not accessible right now, sorry.
# [22:27] <BenWa> so it's effectively doing || true :)
# [22:27] <dholbert> vd, offhand, if the only reason we're #ifdef'ing the code is to reduce libxul size, then || defined(DEBUG) will let you test it on desktop (on debug builds) while still not increasing the size of release builds
# [22:27] <vd> I used || defined(MOZ_ENABLE_GTEST) only to make the function appear with I compile without MOZ_WIDGET_GONK defined
# [22:27] <BenWa> dholbert: Yes, that would probably be ok
# [22:27] <vd> dholbert: right
# [22:28] <catlee> mbrubeck: right, but won't the worst t-value change as you get more data?
# [22:28] <dholbert> vd, and as BenWa says, MOZ_ENABLE_GTEST is always defined (or will be, or something)
# [22:28] <BenWa> right, will be soon
# [22:28] <dholbert> vd, so that was equivalent to just removing the ifdef
# [22:28] <dholbert> vd, checking DEBUG is actually checking something useful
# [22:28] <dholbert> rather than something that's always-true
# [22:28] <vd> BenWa: ok, so would it be ok to replace the MOZ_GTEST with DEBUG?
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# [22:29] <dholbert> vd, having said that, dhylands may have other information that makes this unnecessary / overkill
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# [22:29] <vd> dhylands: ping
# [22:29] <Yoric> yzen: I don't think I'll be able to do it today.
# [22:29] <Yoric> Sorry.
# [22:29] <BenWa> vd: Well if we don't plan on shipping the function on libxul no point in testing it
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# [22:30] <BenWa> for those platforms*
# [22:30] <yzen> Yoric: no problem ill try to update the bug with my comments :)
# [22:30] <dholbert> vd, but absent that information, then replacing MOZ_ENABLE_GTEST with DEBUG seems like a reasonable way to address BenWa's comment, IMHO (aside from what he just said now)
# [22:30] <Yoric> yzen: Don't forget to needinfo? me.
# [22:30] <yzen> Yoric: will do
# [22:30] <yzen> thanks
# [22:30] <vd> BenWa: the thing is that - how do I call the test if not compiling --enable-application=browser ?
# [22:30] <dholbert> BenWa, if it's general-purpose code that we might use on other platforms at some point (and it's easier to test on desktop than on mobile), then no harm in testing it on multiple platforms, right?
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# [22:31] <vd> since there will not be firefox executable to call with firefox -unittest
# [22:31] <BenWa> vd: So unittest haven't been ported to b2g so I don't know
# [22:32] <BenWa> There's a patch for running them on fennec but it's still WIP
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# [22:32] <vd> BenWa: so, could we test that function on the desktop build in this case?
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# [22:34] <mbrubeck> catlee: Yes, I suppose it's possible -- but we would probably already generate two emails in that case
# [22:34] <BenWa> vd: Yes let's use DEBUG
# [22:35] <vd> BenWa: ok, nice
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# [22:35] <vd> let me address your other suggestions...
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# [22:36] <dhylands> vd pong
# [22:36] <mbrubeck> catlee: We could eliminate the possibility of the "worst" changeset changing but we would need to delay the analysis until we had (2*fore_window) trailing datapoints. :/
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# [22:37] <vd> dhylands: problem "solved", we were wondering how to call the unit tests in b2g, on desktop I call "./firefox -unittest"
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# [22:40] <glandium> gaston: yes
# [22:40] <@bsmedberg> BenWa: yeah, I got another user and the block sizes are 0x4f7000 and 0x520000
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# [22:41] <BenWa> ok
# [22:41] <RyanVM> philor: I'm liking mayhemer's patch
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# [22:42] <tbsaunde> 0/win 29
# [22:42] <mayhemer> RyanVM: sarcasm? :)
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# [22:42] <RyanVM> mayhemer: as in, I'm liking yours as the culprit for the current winxp m2 orange
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# [22:43] <mayhemer> RyanVM: win xp M2 seems green after my patch
# [22:43] <RyanVM> look up
# [22:43] <RyanVM> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=21692959&tree=Mozilla-Inbound
# [22:43] <philor> and on some remarkably green try pushes, so we'll see
# [22:44] <RyanVM> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=21694021&tree=Mozilla-Inbound
# [22:44] <RyanVM> the leaks look suspicious
# [22:44] <mayhemer> RyanVM: hmm.. didn't show up during those all try runs
# [22:44] <lsblakk> RyanVM: where are your queries for unlanded tef/leo uplifts?
# [22:44] <lsblakk> where or what
# [22:44] <RyanVM> lsblakk: In my bookmarks :)
# [22:44] <lsblakk> RyanVM: mind throwing me a pastebin?
# [22:44] <RyanVM> sure
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# [22:45] <mbrubeck> catlee: I'll think about how to fix the problem of the worst score changing with new data -- I think I have an approach that'll work without delaying most alerts; just need to think it through.
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# [22:46] <@gavin> jgilbert: I have Ultimate booked for a meeting at 2pm, any chance you'll be done a few minutes before that so I can set up?
# [22:46] <RyanVM> lsblakk: http://www.pastebin.mozilla.org/2296385
# [22:46] <jgilbert> gavin: should be, yeah
# [22:46] <jesup> can someone with a working VS2010 setup pastebin their LIB and LIBPATH variables? also the output of "find -name libcmt.lib" from the Microsoft Visual Studio 10.0/VC directory? I'd appreciate it
# [22:46] <mayhemer> RyanVM: it definitely looks like it's caused by my patch
# [22:46] <lsblakk> thanks RyanVM
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# [22:47] <gaston> glandium: help welcome on 853364 - since it's now also affecting me on aurora..
# [22:47] <@gavin> jgilbert: cool, thanks
# [22:47] <mrbkap> RyanVM++
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# [22:47] <kentuckyfriedtakahe> RyanVM: can you remind me which flag I'm supposed to use to nominate bug 858550
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# [22:47] <@bsmedberg> BenWa: fortunately, we seem to have some pretty technical users experiencing this, so the tooling doesn't have to be pretty.
# [22:47] <RyanVM> lsblakk: I do periodically use the queries in the wiki too
# [22:47] <RyanVM> just to be sure I'm not missing anything
# [22:47] <mcsmurf> jesup: let me see, need to check via remote desktop on my other PC
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# [22:47] <glandium> gaston: i won't install openbsd to figure out why your nss is calling openssl ;)
# [22:48] <mcsmurf> (on MSVC 2010)
# [22:48] <BenWa> bsmedberg: excellent
# [22:48] <RyanVM> kentuckyfriedtakahe: looks like it is?
# [22:48] <jesup> mcsmurf: thanks. I haven't been able to build on windows for months
# [22:48] <RyanVM> oh, for b2g
# [22:48] <RyanVM> either request blocking (tef? for 1.0.1 or leo? for 1.1)
# [22:48] <RyanVM> or approval-b2g18 for 1.1
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# [22:49] <@bz> MOZ_HAVE_CXX11_NULLPTR
# [22:49] <@bz> Which platforms do we have that on?
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# [22:49] <@bz> ah, all of the newish ones.
# [22:50] <@bz> Excellent
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# [22:50] <gaston> glandium: i didnt ask for that, just giving random advices might help :)
# [22:50] <ehugg> jesup: MSVC2012 if that helps - http://pastebin.mozilla.org/2296388
# [22:50] <gaston> now m-a & m-c just SIGTRAP on startup.... :(
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# [22:52] <mcsmurf> jesup: output at http://pastebin.mozilla.org/2296390
# [22:53] <jesup> thanks; now to see how it matches up
# [22:53] <jesup> Aha. I only have amd64/libcmt.lib, not the other two. Let me try another re-install
# [22:54] <mcsmurf> heh
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# [22:59] <mayhemer> RyanVM: so, what should we do with the domstorage patch? I'm going to look at it right now, but it will take some time.
# [22:59] <mayhemer> RyanVM: so if you are not willing to accept the intermittent leak on M(2) I will back out
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# [23:00] <johns> "The correct solution to this bug is to stop using Java."
# [23:01] <johns> bsmedberg++
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# [23:02] <mayhemer> RyanVM: I also found a crash, so it need to back out
# [23:02] <mayhemer> needs
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# [23:02] <RyanVM> mayhemer: let's back out
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# [23:02] <mayhemer> RyanVM: I'll prepare it
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# [23:03] <catlee> RyanVM: did you ever push my patch to b2g18-v101?
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# [23:03] <RyanVM> catlee: not yet, but I will in a bit
# [23:03] <RyanVM> it's in my queue
# [23:03] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/4e471f497482 - Ryan VanderMeulen - Backed out 2 changesets (bug 850362, bug 600307) for Windows XP leaks on a CLOSED TREE.
# [23:03] <RyanVM> just been dealing with inbound
# [23:03] <catlee> k
# [23:03] <RyanVM> mayhemer: done :P
# [23:03] <catlee> I can do it too
# [23:04] <mayhemer> RyanVM: ah, thanks, you are quick :)
# [23:04] <@ehsan> RyanVM: is cypress the name of a branch?
# [23:04] <RyanVM> ehsan: yes, another twig
# [23:04] <@ehsan> ok adding it now
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# [23:05] <RyanVM> ehsan: with any luck, we won't use it
# [23:05] <sfink> tmux really is nicer than screen
# [23:05] <RyanVM> i'm really hoping we don't
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# [23:05] <@ehsan> RyanVM: it's ok, branches are cheap (in git ;)
# [23:06] <froydnj> sfink: what's improved?
# [23:06] <sfink> froydnj: a regularized command interface
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# [23:07] <sfink> less flakiness when trying to automate it
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# [23:07] <sfink> a somewhat more sane default prefix key
# [23:07] <sfink> more stuff accessible externally from the command line
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# [23:08] <sfink> sadly, screen is still hardwired into my brain/finger connection
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# [23:10] <derf> sfink: Also, a name that can be Googled.
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# [23:11] <sfink> derf++
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# [23:11] <jgilbert> derf: you might be interested in this neat utility called 'the', a fork of 'and'
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# [23:12] <sfink> oh, I forked that one on github. I renamed it to |-it|
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# [23:14] <jesup> I wonder when someone will derive 'a' from 'it'
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# [23:15] <gps> RyanVM, philor|away: can we get a whiteboard for test failures due to timer foo on Windows 8?
# [23:15] <gps> or a tracking bug or something
# [23:16] <gps> maybe I should just create one...
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# [23:19] <philor> gps: you should, and add some to it, so I'll have a clue what to look for
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# [23:20] <dholbert> tbsaunde, thanks for the component-reassign; I must've mis-clicked
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# [23:20] <catlee> so, does the in-tree autoclobberer need to learn the same tricks as clobberer.py just did?
# [23:21] <tbsaunde> dholbert: np
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# [23:22] <sfink> RyanVM: should I ignore the 2 unstarred failures on aurora and push bug 822041?
# [23:22] <RyanVM> go for it
# [23:22] <catlee> wow, make buildsymbols on osx takes forever
# [23:23] <mcsmurf> catlee: mainly the in-tree clobberer needs to learn how to delete files on Windows ;)
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# [23:23] <philor> that'd be what the clobberer just learned
# [23:23] <catlee> mcsmurf: yeah, that's what clobberer.py just learned
# [23:23] <mcsmurf> cool :)
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# [23:24] <catlee> http://hg.mozilla.org/build/tools/file/92c703e1c26d/clobberer/clobberer.py#l42
# [23:24] <philor> and I was going to claim it didn't, since we did a CLOBBER last night and it worked, but it didn't really, because kmoir had hand-clobbered all ten thousand slaves before we did, so "Clobber not needed."
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# [23:26] <reuben> bsmedberg: ping
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# [23:27] <jaynyc> Hi all. I am looking for a freelance Gecko developer to help with a custom build of Firefox. If you are such a developer, or can recommend one, can you please private message me?
# [23:28] <reuben> jaynyc: might want to try https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/jobs
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# [23:35] <catlee> RyanVM: thanks!
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# [23:36] <RyanVM> np, thanks for waiting :)
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# [23:40] <jesup> mcsmurf: ehugg: reinstalling (again) seems to have fixed it. We'll see if it survives updating vs2010
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# [23:40] <mcsmurf> jesup: updating now that it works, are you crazy?! ;)
# [23:40] <mcsmurf> but VS2010 SP1 is a good idea though
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# [23:41] <mcsmurf> I've heard
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# [23:41] <mcsmurf> especially as VS2010 breaks when installing .net 4.5 ;)
# [23:41] <jesup> Probably so. WHich was what broke it last time I think, but we'll see
# [23:41] <mcsmurf> without SP1
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# [23:47] <catlee> philor: I suspect pytz.timezone("UTC") will do what you want
# [23:47] <philor> thanks
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# [23:48] <philor> I should just push that, wth, but I've only got 90 seconds of lunchtime left
# [23:48] <catlee> :P
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# [23:48] <catlee> can't be any worse than it already is, right?
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# [23:49] <philor> made it through all but 220 bugmails, though!
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# [23:49] <IanN> trying to build current beta, and getting "xpidl.IDLError: error: invalid syntax, mozilla/dom/interfaces/events/nsIDOMDeviceProximityEvent.idl line 24:18 double value = Infinity;"
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# [23:50] <mcsmurf> isnt this the usual "you have to delete the *.pyc files" error in srcdir error?
# [23:51] <mcsmurf> now that's too many errors
# [23:52] <mcsmurf> IanN: look for xpidllex.py* and xpidlyacc.py* in your srcdir
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# [23:52] <mcsmurf> in xpcom/idl-parser
# [23:52] <mcsmurf> you need to remove those afaik
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# [23:52] <catlee> philor|away: I'm not sure if the UI needs to know about the TZ change too...
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# [23:58] <sfink> how do I run the marionette test suite on a local build?
# [23:58] <IanN> mcsmurf: thanks, it looks promising
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# [23:59] <derf> gps: The media/webrtc/trunk/src directories weren't deleted, they were moved.
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