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# Session Start: Sat Apr 13 00:00:01 2013
# Session Ident: #developers
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# [00:10] <mbrubeck> seth: It doesn't get sent to the graph server, but you can see the average in the TBPL footer when you click on the Talos job, and you can open the detailed logs for the raw data.
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# [00:10] <KWierso|Home> esprehn: you mean the network panel in the devtools stuff?
# [00:10] <seth> mbrubeck: gotcha. sounds like i should be able to get an idea of what's going on
# [00:11] <jcranmer> decoder: ping
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# [00:19] <@ted> bsmedberg: yes
# [00:19] <@ted> bsmedberg: espindola only had a mac impl at the time
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# [00:22] <ffledgling> ctalbert: I wanted to chat to discuss. Replied on mail now. :)
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# [00:27] <esprehn> KWierso|Home: no I mean navigator.connection
# [00:28] <ctalbert> ffledgling: ok thanks
# [00:28] <ctalbert> sorry
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# [00:34] <joeolivas> ehsan: ping
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# [00:35] <philor> wow, that took a long time - closed, bustage
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# [00:36] <philor> rillian: are you really busted, or do you just need to back out and reland with a touch of /CLOBBER?
# [00:37] * philor suspects "really busted"
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# [00:38] <rillian> philor: it built here!
# [00:39] <rillian> so I'm supposed to touch /CLOBBER now if I've changed any build files?
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# [00:39] <rillian> I don't understand what the rules are
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# [00:40] <rillian> definitely my fail
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# [00:40] <JosiahOne> Anyone got a Snow Leopard machine available?
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# [00:41] <hub> JosiahOne: I have one here. but it is not a development machine. ie I don't have a build tree on it
# [00:41] <hub> (I used to)
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# [00:41] <JosiahOne> hub: That's fine.
# [00:41] <rillian> philor: can I test this with try, or does try auto-clobber?
# [00:42] <JosiahOne> hub: Could you download ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/releases/17.0.1/mac/en-US/, run it, and tell me if the window resize button shows up at the bottom-right of the window?
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# [00:42] <joeolivas> is anyone familiar with the PGO gen process? I have a basic problem.
# [00:43] <philor> rillian: try only does clobbers
# [00:43] <hub> JosiahOne: downloading
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# [00:43] <JosiahOne> hub: Thanks.
# [00:43] <rillian> philor: ok, I'll try relanding with a clobber.
# [00:43] <philor> and it only seems like you have to touch /CLOBBER any time you touch anything :)
# [00:44] <JosiahOne> Lol.
# [00:44] <hub> JosiahOne: yes it has it.
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# [00:44] <aja> rillian: help me understand bug 860338. just removing old moz-prefixed api ?
# [00:44] <JosiahOne> hub: And can you verify that the current version of FIrefox doesn't?
# [00:45] <rillian> aja: removing a build-time switch to disable code we want to be always enabled
# [00:45] <hub> JosiahOne: Aurora doesn't. let me check on release
# [00:45] <JosiahOne> hub: Okay, thanks.
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# [00:45] <rillian> philor: CLOBBER says I have to actualy edit the file?
# [00:45] <hub> JosiahOne: will need to update it first.
# [00:45] <JosiahOne> hub: That's fine.
# [00:45] <rillian> how do I reimport the last commit into mq?
# [00:46] <aja> rillian: k, tks. that's what i was hoping.
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# [00:46] <philor> rillian: hg qimport -r tip
# [00:46] <hub> ouh, it crashes
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# [00:46] <JosiahOne> hub: Well that's not good.
# [00:47] <hub> JosiahOne: well, it was Firefox 10 it seems.
# [00:47] <philor> rillian: and yeah, edit rather than just touch, in theory it helps, um, somebody to know why it got updated
# [00:47] <hub> JosiahOne: updating as we speak
# [00:47] <jimb> bsmedberg: Why does ContentParent always carefully check if mMessageManager is null? It's set in the constructor, and never cleared.
# [00:47] <hub> JosiahOne: I use Aurora on that machine
# [00:47] <JosiahOne> hub: Lol.
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# [00:48] <hub> JosiahOne: I have a white square too.
# [00:48] <hub> JosiahOne: it wroks though, like on Aurora
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# [00:49] <hub> oh shit, that's beta
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# [00:49] <JosiahOne> hub: That's fine. I just wanted to know it happens, the bug reporter says it happens on the stable version as well.
# [00:50] <JosiahOne> hub: I wanted to make sure it wasn't just him.
# [00:50] <hub> JosiahOne: let me really install release
# [00:50] <JosiahOne> hub: Okay.
# [00:50] <hub> but yeah, I never paid attention actually.
# [00:50] <hub> it works
# [00:50] <hub> (I use this machine all the time)
# [00:50] <rillian> philor: how do I push the fix? add CLOSED TREE to the commit messages for the backout and reland?
# [00:50] <JosiahOne> So it *is* there, just the image is gone. Hmm...
# [00:51] <hub> JosiahOne: yup. so it is on 20
# [00:51] <JosiahOne> hub: Alright. Thanks for your help. I'm going to have to figure that out I guess.
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# [00:53] <philor> rillian: yeah, let's do that, do a CLOSED TREE backout, I'll reopen, you can reland
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# [00:54] <philor> I think people have claimed to believe that the right thing is a single push, backout+reland, but I'm not sure what their point is
# [00:55] <philor> whereas I know the point of backout+reopen, it gets me away from having to pay constant attention much sooner :)
# [00:55] <philor> how on earth did mak make getPaintCount not a function?
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# [00:56] <philor> or, alternately, how did Gijs?
# [00:57] <Gijs> What?
# [00:57] * Gijs only touched two JS files
# [00:58] <philor> hell, mak only touched one browser-chrome file
# [00:58] <Gijs> And I don't understand, fwiw, why tbpl lists 0 builds for me.
# [00:58] <philor> because (sound of sword swishing) mak is fast with a rebase
# [00:59] <philor> if your builds are still pending when there's another push on top of you, we only do builds on the push on top
# [00:59] <philor> and if the push on top is 45 seconds later, your builds are still going to be pending
# [01:00] <JosiahOne> Does anyone remember if Firefox for Lion/Mountain Lion ever had a resize icon on the bottom-right corner. I don't think it did, but maybe I am just forgetting.
# [01:01] <rillian> philor: ok, so just the backout. does CLOSED TREE have to be on the first line?
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# [01:02] <philor> rillian: nope, I always hide mine on the second line
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# [01:02] <rillian> too late
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# [01:03] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/7adc5fa8398c - Ralph Giles - Backed out changeset d757eeebcc43. r=bustage CLOSED TREE
# [01:03] <rillian> but good to know, thanks
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# [01:05] <philor> now I'm not sure if I want to reopen or not
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# [01:06] <rillian> hmm?
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# [01:08] <philor> utterly inexplicable stuff below you
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# [01:10] <drs> !seen smaug
# [01:10] <firebot> smaug was last seen 4 hours, 52 minutes and 48 seconds ago, saying '* smaug goes. will debug dictionary passing from chrome to content tomorrow' in #content.
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# [01:19] <rillian> looks like I don't get to reland today
# [01:19] <rillian> mfbt then
# [01:19] <philor> \o/
# [01:20] <decoder> jcranmer: semipong, ill be fully back on monday. sup?
# [01:20] <philor> the Ubuntu test slaves clearly started drinking quite a while ago, you'll have to hurry to catch up
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# [01:24] <@gavin> what is http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/xulrunner/setup/?
# [01:24] <jlebar> Can the editbugs gods please bless georgiana.chelu93@gmail.com ?
# [01:24] <@gavin> jlebar: done
# [01:24] <jlebar> gavin: thanks
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# [01:27] <NeilAway> !seen reuben
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# [01:29] <jcranmer> decoder: ah
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# [01:30] <NeilAway> hmm, pyinstall uses hard links on windows now? that would save me in this case. phew.
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# [01:31] <jcranmer> decoder: you're still using the code-coverage stuff, right?
# [01:31] <decoder> jcranmer: yes and no. i was using it but right now it's broken.
# [01:31] <decoder> :/
# [01:31] <jcranmer> :-/
# [01:31] <decoder> and I had no time yet to fix
# [01:32] <jcranmer> well, April is a busy month for me
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# [01:32] <decoder> same here, just came back fro,m
# [01:32] <decoder> *from conference
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# [01:32] <decoder> and it's 1:30am^^
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# [01:32] <jcranmer> but it soundslike the gcov issues with clang are fixed... so I was considering combiningmultipatform stuff
# [01:32] <decoder> ah cool=)
# [01:32] <jcranmer> (April month is project month for me)
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# [01:40] <bz_away> -DDEBUG -D_DEBUG
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# [01:40] <bz_away> What the hell?
# [01:40] <bz_away> Why is the compiler passing those?
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# [01:41] <bz> Something is seriously busted somewhere here....
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# [01:43] <bz> Anyone know what might have changed in the build system to cause this?
# [01:43] <bz> gps: ping
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# [01:44] <bz> khuey: ping
# [01:44] <gps> bz: the build system doesn't like Friday's?
# [01:44] <bz> gps: could be!
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# [01:45] <bz> gps: More seriously, something is very confused...
# [01:45] <gps> so what exactly is the question? something involving -DDEBUG
# [01:45] <bz> yes
# [01:45] <bz> My build is not compiling
# [01:45] <bz> and it's not compiling because the command line has -DDEBUG
# [01:45] <bz> for all the C++
# [01:45] <bz> Which is curious, since it's an --enable-optimize --disable-debug build
# [01:46] <bz> which means that some code that assumes some other defines are always defined if DEBUG is breaking
# [01:46] <bz> because those defines are NOT in fact defined
# [01:46] <bz> afaict
# [01:46] <gps> bz: look at objdir/config.status
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# [01:46] <bz> yep
# [01:46] <gps> it contains the output of configure and should answer your questions
# [01:46] <bz> which part?
# [01:46] <bz> (''' MOZ_DEBUG ''', r''' '''),
# [01:46] <gps> well, look for -DDEBUG for starters
# [01:46] <bz> Only appears in:
# [01:46] <bz> (''' MOZ_DEBUG_ENABLE_DEFS ''', r''' -DDEBUG -D_DEBUG -DTRACING '''),
# [01:47] <jgilbert> friday, friday, gotta burn down on friiiday~
# [01:47] <gps> I /think/ that's more or less a static define
# [01:47] <bz> The other semi-relevant bit is:
# [01:47] <bz> (''' ac_configure_args ''', r''' --disable-javaxpcom --enable-tests --enable-debugger-info-modules --enable-debug-symbols --enable-accessibility --enable-codesighs --disable-install-strip --enable-shared-js --enable-application=browser --disable-debug --enable-optimize --enable-profiling --enable-instruments --enable-dtrace '''),
# [01:47] <rillian> at least the backout it building
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# [01:49] <gps> bz: can you paste a compiler command containing -DDEBUG?
# [01:49] <bz> sure
# [01:49] <bz> http://www.pastebin.mozilla.org/2300195
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# [01:50] <KWierso|Home> akeybl: ping?
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# [01:51] <akeybl> yep
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# [01:51] <gps> bz: do you see -DDEBUG anywhere in objdir/config/autoconf.mk?
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# [01:52] <@bz> gps: or for the one that actually fails...
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# [01:52] <@bz> http://www.pastebin.mozilla.org/2300198
# [01:52] <@bz> gps: note it's failing on code inside an NS_ASSERTION, in a built that's supposed to be --disable-debug
# [01:52] <@bz> s/built/build/
# [01:53] <KWierso|Home> akeybl: regarding bug 816257, the pull request that's landed there should be pushed to inbound sometime after the tree re-opens tonight.
# [01:53] <KWierso|Home> akeybl: but, that pull request alone is not sufficient to resolve that bug
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# [01:53] <gps> bz: a ha! - look at <srcdir>/config/config.mk:156
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# [01:54] <akeybl> KWierso|Home: didn't mean to imply a rush, just wanted to understand when we'll be ready to uplift to Aurora
# [01:54] <gps> if MOZ_DEBUG or MOZ_DEBUG_SYMBOLS is defined, we pull in MOZ_DEBUG_FLAGS
# [01:54] <KWierso|Home> akeybl: we're going to be having a meeting about how we should be handling private browsing this next wednesday, so hopefully we'll have an ETA by then
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# [01:55] <gps> so --enable-debug-symbols || --enable-debug will pull in -DDEBUG -D_DEBUG
# [01:55] <@bz> gps: loooking
# [01:55] <@bz> uh...
# [01:55] <@bz> That's not right!
# [01:56] <@bz> But that code hasn't changed in a while
# [01:56] <gps> indeed
# [01:56] <@bz> so what gives
# [01:56] * seth grumbles about this release management email
# [01:56] <@bz> the code in the cpp file involved hasn't changed in a while either
# [01:56] <gps> it's possible configure recently changed
# [01:57] <seth> what exactly does "untouched this week" mean
# [01:57] <seth> they're already marked RESOLVED FIXED!
# [01:57] <gps> glandium: any recent changes to how -DDEBUG MOZ_DEBUG_ENABLE_DEFS etc is generated?
# [01:57] <akeybl> seth: if you're talking about the tracking/blocking notification emails, it's when the assignee has not modified the bug in any way
# [01:57] <akeybl> seth: what bug? probably needs to be uplifted
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# [01:58] <seth> akeybl: yeah, i know =) i requested uplift for all of them
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# [01:58] <seth> akeybl: i just don't like the wording since i fixed them a while ago, the fixes just needed to cook on m-c. call me picky =)
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# [01:59] <gps> looks like I missed glandium by 7 minutes according to #build
# [01:59] <gps> bz: do you think this is a regression?
# [01:59] <@bz> gps: well
# [01:59] <akeybl> ok yeah we're trying not to be wordy seth, let us know if you think there's a better way of describing it
# [01:59] <@bz> gps: in the sense that opt builds with this exact mozconfig used to build, sure thing!
# [01:59] <@bz> gps: I guess I could bisect it
# [01:59] <@bz> gps: probably take a while....
# [02:00] <gps> well, I /think/ you just need to bisect over the content of config.status/autoconf.mk
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# [02:00] <gps> just re-run |make -f client.mk configure|
# [02:00] <seth> akeybl: i guess from my perspective it'd be ideal if "resolved fixed; needs uplift" and "untouched" were separate categories. i'm mainly thinking about how this might appear to managers if they weren't following the bugs in question too closely
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# [02:01] <@bz> gps: hmmm
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# [02:01] <gps> bz: glandium has a better handle on configure changes than I do - he'd probably know off the top of his head
# [02:01] <@bz> MOZ_DEBUG_DISABLE_DEFS = -DNDEBUG -DTRIMMED
# [02:01] <@bz> MOZ_DEBUG_ENABLE_DEFS = -DDEBUG -D_DEBUG -DTRACING
# [02:01] <@bz> So those bits?
# [02:01] <John-Galt> bdahl: What's this for? https://addons.mozilla.org/files/browse/201180/file/components/PdfRedirector.js#top
# [02:01] <reuben> NeilAway: pong?
# [02:01] <gps> and perhaps whether MOZ_DEBUG and MOZ_DEBUG_SYMBOLS are defined
# [02:02] <@bz> My autoconf.mk does not have MOZ_DEBUG
# [02:02] <@bz> It does have MOZ_DEBUG_SYMBOLS
# [02:02] <gps> but it does have MOZ_DEBUG_SYMBOLS
# [02:02] <gps> you *do* have --enable-debug-symbols in your configure invocation though
# [02:02] <bdahl> John-Galt: used so pdf.js can display pdfs in embed/object tags
# [02:02] <gps> is it possible one of your included mozconfigs added it?
# [02:03] <@bz> I do
# [02:03] <@bz> sure
# [02:03] <@bz> it's in my mozconfig
# [02:03] <@bz> and has been for years
# [02:03] <@bz> so on esr17
# [02:03] <@bz> the config/autoconf.mk has:
# [02:03] <@bz> MOZ_DEBUG =
# [02:03] <@bz> MOZ_DEBUG_DISABLE_DEFS = -DNDEBUG -DTRIMMED
# [02:03] <@bz> MOZ_DEBUG_ENABLE_DEFS = -DDEBUG -D_DEBUG -DTRACING
# [02:03] <@bz> MOZ_DEBUG_FLAGS = -g
# [02:03] <@bz> MOZ_DEBUG_LDFLAGS = -framework ExceptionHandling
# [02:03] <@bz> MOZ_DEBUG_SYMBOLS = 1
# [02:04] <John-Galt> bdahl: Tags that have type="application/x-moz-playpreview-pdfjs"?
# [02:04] <@bz> The difference between that and my broken build is just the MOZ_DEBUG = bit
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# [02:05] <yury> John-Galt: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=839714
# [02:05] <@gavin> seth: managers aren't doing a very good job if they're not looking at the bugs :)
# [02:05] <gps> bz: bug 857557 might be relevant
# [02:06] * @bz bisects when that MOZ_DEBUG = went away
# [02:06] <seth> gavin: i concur =) it'd still be nice to split it out though
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# [02:06] <@bz> + self.substs[name]) for name in self.substs if self.substs[name]]))
# [02:06] <@bz> quite possible!
# [02:06] <gps> that would account for dropping MOZ_DEBUG =
# [02:06] <seth> gavin: even I was confused ("I thought I fixed those!") and I wrote the patches for all those bugs
# [02:07] <gps> but it shoudn't affect the build logic
# [02:07] <@bz> gps: ok
# [02:07] <yury> John-Galt: it will use "click-to-play" type of overlay over the plugin element, which will "load" application/x-moz-playpreview-pdfjs resource
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# [02:07] <gps> if it did, we should have breakage all over the place
# [02:07] <@bz> gps: mmmm
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# [02:07] <@bz> gps: let me try a few things
# [02:08] <yury> John-Galt: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/files/browse/201180/file/bootstrap.js#L124
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# [02:08] <John-Galt> yury: I see. Thanks.
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# [02:16] <@bz> gps: so....
# [02:16] <@bz> gps: if I locally back that patch out, I get -DNDEBUG instead of -DDEBUG
# [02:16] <@bz> gps: in my build lines
# [02:16] <@bz> gps: so something was caring about the MOZ_DEBUG= bit
# [02:17] <@bz> gps: possibly only if the DEBUG_SYMBOLS stuff is set
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# [02:20] <@bz> gps: yep, now the relevant file builds
# [02:20] <@bz> gps: I guess a bug is in order, eh? ;)
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# [02:23] <gps> bz: please file!
# [02:23] <gps> upload your config.status and autoconf.mk files before and after, please
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# [02:23] <@bz> sure thing
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# [02:29] <@bz> gps: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=861453
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# [02:54] <gps> bz: awesome bug report - thanks!
# [02:55] <@bz> gps: I try. ;)
# [02:55] <@bz> gps: any other info you need, just let me know. ;)
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# [03:20] <Czarconius> Need help getting started for GSoC '13. Would really appreciate the help.
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# [03:31] <Czarconius_> jcranmer: I've sent you a mail seeking information regarding the Mailbox-to-Maildir project(GSoC). Please guide me with the same.
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# [03:33] <@bz> gps: can I log something that would help?
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# [03:33] <@bz> gps: e.g. which branches are taken some places or something?
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# [03:34] <gps> bz: there is |make -d| but I don't think it goes down to quite that level
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# [03:34] <@bz> gps: hmm
# [03:34] <gps> bz: make showbuild
# [03:35] <@bz> make: *** No rule to make target `showbuild'. Stop.
# [03:35] * @bz did "make -f client.mk showbuild"
# [03:36] <gps> bz: no, run make from the objdir
# [03:37] <@bz> aha
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# [03:37] <gps> there are a bunch of "debug the build" targets in config/makefiles/debugmake.mk
# [03:37] <@bz> you want that before/after, I assume?
# [03:37] <gps> that might be useful!
# [03:38] <@bz> And if so, is it enough to make configure?
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# [03:38] <@bz> before the showbuild thing?
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# [03:39] <gps> bz: you need to run configure to update config.status and autoconf.mk
# [03:39] <@bz> right
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# [03:39] <@bz> but I don't need to do anything else, ok
# [03:39] * @bz attaches to bug
# [03:39] <gps> shouldn't
# [03:39] <gps> btw, https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/How_Mozilla%27s_build_system_works is now more or less up to date (at least the top part of the page)
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# [03:40] <@bz> attached to bug
# [03:41] <@bz> the only differences seem to be the cflags...
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# [03:42] <@bz> So
# [03:42] <@bz> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/config/config.mk#148
# [03:42] <@bz> That has got to be where the difference is
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# [03:43] <@bz> somehow
# [03:43] <gps> bz: I need to run to catch the last bus of the day. let's pick this up later
# [03:43] <@bz> ok
# [03:43] <Czarconius_> Could anyone help me getting started with development for the thunderbird project. What dev environment do I need to have? Where would I find the codebase?
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# [03:45] <tonymec> Czarconius_: start with https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Simple_Thunderbird_build then follow links if you need more info
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# [03:47] <@bz> lol
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# [03:47] <@bz> gps: I'll put stuff in the bug
# [03:48] <Czarconius_> tonymec: Thanks. By the way, what kind of confidence do I need to build in order to get selected for the GSoC project. I mean, do I need to solve any bugs, or suggest changes to the codebase, to assert my eligibility?
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# [03:50] <tonymec> Czarconius_: dunno. I've never been in a GSoC project in any quality. But someone else should be able to tell you.
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# [03:52] <Czarconius_> tonymec: Console displays this error: ldconfig deferred processing now taking place. What should I do next?
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# [03:53] <tonymec> Czarconius_: wait, I think.
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# [03:56] <Czarconius_> tonymec: ps -elf | grep ldconfig, shows a dormat process. Nothing's going on.
# [03:56] <Czarconius_> tonymec: *dormant
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# [03:58] <tonymec> Czarconius_: dormant may mean waiting for I/O (disk I/O, or network I/O). Don't say too fast that nothing's going on. But someone else may be able to tell you better than I.
# [03:58] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/4d506e99c792 - ffxbld - Automated checkin: version bump for fennec 21.0b2 release. DONTBUILD CLOSED TREE a=release
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# [03:58] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/e0de9621fa3c - ffxbld - Added FENNEC_21_0b2_RELEASE FENNEC_21_0b2_BUILD2 tag(s) for changeset 4d506e99c792. DONTBUILD CLOSED TREE a=release
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# [03:59] <Czarconius_> tonymec: Ok. Thanks for the help anyways.
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# [04:00] <tonymec> Czarconius_: sorry I couldn't help you better. Dont /leave this channel but /join #maildev too.
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# [04:02] <Czarconius_> tonymec: No, it's alright. Appreciate it.
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# [04:08] <philor> ooh, bravely merged!
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# [04:13] <RyanVM> :D
# [04:13] <RyanVM> 10:15 on a Friday night, what could possibly go wrong?
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# [04:17] <RyanVM> i wanted to get the crash fix on m-c
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# [04:24] <RyanVM> so philor, when do you want to declare victory?
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# [04:25] <philor> RyanVM: I want reftests, and I wouldn't mind Callek saying something along the lines of "okay, it's all back to normal and able to spin up instances"
# [04:26] <philor> and I'd really like to see ubuntu64 debug stop being the one thing that coalesces backward, that's just weird
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# [04:26] <Callek> yea right now its not normal yet :(
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# [04:37] <jcranmer> RyanVM: ooh, ooh, are you merging the change that would finally reopen comm-central, except that now a JS change has lightning bricked‽
# [04:38] <RyanVM> yep!
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# [04:38] <Callek> jcranmer: he won't be until I make the releng systems happy
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# [04:38] <RyanVM> Callek: actually, I did :P
# [04:38] <Callek> jcranmer: also did you see the bug about ldap dir creation bustage!?
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# [04:39] <jcranmer> Callek: yes
# [04:40] <jcranmer> I think patch 4 in my queue fixes it
# [04:40] <jcranmer> between that and using an objdir in my directory for local tests, that's why I didn't notice it earlier
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# [04:40] <jcranmer> Callek: in any case, AFAICT, it's just a spurious directory creation at this point
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# [05:12] <RyanVM> philor: just me :)
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# [05:19] <@bz> oh, open inbound?
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# [05:22] <RyanVM> bz: bust away!
# [05:24] <jwalden> tree's open again? rookie error
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# [05:28] <heycam> bz, are style structs ever owned by more than one style context? or by zero style contexts?
# [05:28] <RyanVM> i really was starting to miss the nss crash
# [05:28] <RyanVM> good thing it came roaring back again
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# [05:31] <@bz> heycam: style structs are _owned_ by one style context, in the sense of being deleted
# [05:31] <@bz> heycam: but lots of style contexts can have pointers to the same struct
# [05:31] <heycam> bz, aha i see, ok
# [05:31] <@bz> heycam: e.g. when inheriting....
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# [05:31] <@bz> heycam: And in the sense of being deleted a style struct might be owned by a rulenode
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# [05:31] <@bz> heycam: and pointed to by various style contexts
# [05:32] <@bz> heycam: not sure whether I'm answering what you asked. ;)
# [05:32] <heycam> bz, so I'm looking at this assertion that I added recently in style struct member functions
# [05:32] <@bz> RyanVM: be nice! ;)
# [05:32] <@bz> RyanVM: maybe I won't bust it this time!
# [05:32] * @bz isn't sure what his overall record is, but _thinks_ it's better than 50-50
# [05:32] <RyanVM> bz: even if you do, I won't be awake to notice :)
# [05:32] <heycam> bz, and I'm wondering whether it makes sense that the mStyleDisplay value on nsHTMLReflowState doen't match up with .frame
# [05:33] <heycam> bz, I mean, rs.frame->StyleDisplay() != rs.mStyleDisplay
# [05:33] <@bz> What's the concrete class of rs.frame ?
# [05:33] <heycam> nsFirstLineFrame
# [05:33] <@bz> mStyleDisplay = frame->StyleDisplay();
# [05:34] <heycam> it looks like .frame is never changed
# [05:34] <heycam> (I don't like how this is a struct with public members, btw…)
# [05:34] <@bz> heh
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# [05:35] <heycam> and I can't see anything that sets mStyleDisplay apart from that one line
# [05:35] <@bz> yeah, having public _writable_ members like that is nuts
# [05:35] <heycam> so I assume the frame got restyled
# [05:35] <@bz> So the most likely conclusion is that between reflow state init and the assert the frame got a new sc
# [05:35] <@bz> yeah
# [05:35] <heycam> and is that a reasonable thing to happen?
# [05:35] <@bz> which for first-line is not impossible, I suppose
# [05:35] <@bz> all sorts of style reparenting weirdness around first-line.
# [05:35] <heycam> I wonder then if it matters that the cached mStyleDisplay is not the one that's now on the frame...
# [05:36] <@bz> I dunno about _reasonable_.
# [05:36] <@bz> But it's possible.
# [05:36] <@bz> well
# [05:36] <@bz> why do we care?
# [05:36] <@bz> And do we really care that they're pointer-identical
# [05:36] <@bz> or just about some data in them?
# [05:36] <heycam> the data, really
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# [05:36] <heycam> so I didn't check if the actual values changed
# [05:37] <@bz> Might be worth doing that instead
# [05:37] <heycam> might be interesting to compare, yeah
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# [05:37] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/4f911913dadf - Boris Zbarsky - Bug 860591. Install WebIDL quickstubs for event interfaces as needed. r=smaug
# [05:37] * @bz is sorry about the fact that any invariant you might want probably doesn't hold in our codebase....
# [05:38] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/b0af4212cb8b - Boris Zbarsky - Bug 861064. Root WebIDL dictionary Init. r=smaug,terrence
# [05:38] <heycam> for my bug I'll just change the IsFloating and GetDisplay on nsHTMLReflowState not to assume the frame/nsStyleDisplay don't match up any more
# [05:38] <heycam> ha
# [05:38] <heycam> bz, would it be valuable to encapsulate nsHTMLReflowState more than it is now?
# [05:39] <@bz> heycam: I think so, yes
# [05:39] <@bz> heycam: might run into people messing with it...
# [05:39] <heycam> bz, oh thanks for getting wycats to point out the JSIDL thing to me
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# [05:39] <@bz> heycam: no problem. Figured you might want to be in the loop. ;)
# [05:39] <heycam> yeah
# [05:39] <heycam> I had wanted to think about something like that (Web IDL but with types that actually match up with JS, etc.), but never got around to it.
# [05:40] <heycam> so it'll be good to see what comes out of his efforts
# [05:40] <@bz> heycam: Ah, ok
# [05:40] <@bz> heycam: So on the one hand it seems like mostly syntax
# [05:40] <heycam> there is one advantage to having new syntax
# [05:40] <@bz> heycam: on the other hand, syntax is important and can shape default behavior.
# [05:40] <heycam> it means we can come up with more sane bindings for "new" APIs
# [05:40] <@bz> heycam: rewriting all existing idl to the new setup will be fun. ;)
# [05:40] <heycam> if we don't mind the inconsistencies with old ones, and feel it's important enough to try to switch
# [05:41] <heycam> well
# [05:41] <heycam> I'd hope that they could coexist
# [05:41] <@bz> heycam: Not in my tree!
# [05:41] <heycam> in the near term
# [05:41] <heycam> :o
# [05:41] <heycam> I mean more specwise compatibility
# [05:41] <@bz> heycam: well, sure
# [05:41] <@bz> heycam: but in terms of implementing the thing....
# [05:42] <@bz> heycam: you have to build a unified data model
# [05:42] <heycam> mm
# [05:42] <@bz> heycam: because you can have cross-references and they have to work!
# [05:42] <heycam> I'm sure you're not interested in throwing away all this recent work, naturally ;)
# [05:42] <@bz> welll
# [05:42] <@bz> that's the thing
# [05:42] <@bz> The data model is not changing much
# [05:43] <@bz> it's really mostly a new syntax to express the same concepts.
# [05:43] <@bz> as far as I can tell.
# [05:43] <heycam> I guess we'll see
# [05:43] <@bz> yeah
# [05:43] <heycam> I can easily imagine slightly different type conversions or whatever
# [05:43] <heycam> s/different/"better"/
# [05:43] <@bz> wycats does have the goal of being able to express existing stuff in his new thing
# [05:43] <heycam> ok
# [05:43] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/efaa46a0e3e6 - Nathan Froyd - Bug 860457 - use uintptr_t instead of unsigned long in celldata.h; r=dholbert
# [05:44] <heycam> so it's going to be mostly as complex as Web IDL is now? :)
# [05:44] <@bz> at least as far as I could tell.
# [05:44] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/ab6e995676bd - Nathan Froyd - Bug 859257 - include jscpucfg.h in NumericConversions.h so DoublePun definitions are correct; r=Waldo
# [05:44] <@bz> heh
# [05:44] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/8c302ab916b3 - Nathan Froyd - Bug 859367 - make xpt.py use unpack_from instead of unpack; r=ted
# [05:44] <@bz> I think he was going to have a spec
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# [05:44] <heycam> yeah I got a pointer to a start of one
# [05:44] <@bz> and then a "legacy stuff" appendix. ;)
# [05:44] <heycam> aha
# [05:44] <@bz> so most people never get to find out about all the bad things they can do.
# [05:44] <heycam> I think that's something allen wanted for a while… separating out the things that people shouldn't really use in new apis into a different section
# [05:44] <heycam> to avoid attracting people to it
# [05:44] <heycam> yeah
# [05:45] <heycam> still nobody reads the spec, it's just because they copy other specs that these things proliferate
# [05:45] <jcranmer> it would be nice to integrate webidl with xpcom so we could use it for non-web APIs
# [05:45] <@bz> oh, cmon
# [05:45] <@bz> I know at least 1.5-2 people who have read the spec
# [05:45] <@bz> not counting you
# [05:45] <heycam> :)
# [05:45] * @bz counts himself as about 0.6-0.7 person there
# [05:45] <heycam> you undersell yourself ;)
# [05:46] <@bz> well, I'm pretty sure I haven't read every word
# [05:46] <@bz> on the other hand, I've read some parts multiple times....
# [05:46] <@bz> anyway.
# [05:46] * heycam wonders if he has
# [05:46] <aja> tl;dr
# [05:46] <heycam> tl;dr interface Blah { write whatever the hell you feel like in here }
# [05:46] <@bz> So anyway, the main behavior changes I've seen in his stuff are...
# [05:47] <@bz> 1) A difference between ToString (which will coerce) and String (which will type-check and bail or something)
# [05:47] <@bz> 2) Defaulting undefined to mean "not passed" if not coercing
# [05:47] <@bz> 3) Integer stuff
# [05:48] * @bz is not sure what we'll do about the integer situation
# [05:48] <@bz> we may need to have legacy 32-bit types or something if we're really paranoid
# [05:48] <heycam> I think numeric types is the area most ripe for improvement
# [05:48] <heycam> at least in terms of syntax
# [05:49] <heycam> I don't understand the 1)
# [05:49] <@bz> So in WebIDL right now if an argument is DOMString
# [05:49] <@bz> and I pass 42
# [05:49] <@bz> The other side gets "42"
# [05:50] <@bz> and if I pass null the other side gets "null"
# [05:50] <@bz> wycats' claim is that this is better expressed by naming the type ToString
# [05:50] <@bz> Since that's what it really does.
# [05:50] <heycam> huh.
# [05:50] <@bz> And that it may be worth having a String type which will be more like a typeof == "string" check
# [05:50] <@bz> At least if I understood right.
# [05:50] <heycam> I guess I could see that
# [05:51] <heycam> would make the rules for when things get coerced more clear
# [05:51] <heycam> especially when you're dealing with union types etc.
# [05:51] <@bz> Yeah, I think that's one of his goals
# [05:51] <heycam> not sure about "ToString" as the name though :)
# [05:51] <@bz> To make the coercion vs testing thing clearer.
# [05:51] <@bz> anyway
# [05:51] <@bz> we'll see how it ends up looking
# [05:51] <heycam> yeah
# [05:51] <@bz> The good news is that a large fraction of the work we've done is the C++ end
# [05:52] <@bz> which won't change much no matter what happens here
# [05:52] <heycam> ok that's good
# [05:52] <@bz> And the codegen might not need much change either; we'll see
# [05:52] <heycam> my two nsStyleDisplays look about the same btw
# [05:52] <heycam> so I guess it doesn't matter
# [05:52] <heycam> at least in this case
# [05:52] <@bz> I mean, clearly some, but to the extent that the behavior is not meant to change....
# [05:52] <@bz> The parser, we'll see
# [05:53] <@bz> I'm not sure he's really thought about the need for an LL(1) grammar or whatnot.
# [05:53] <@bz> Btw, is JS LL(1) ?
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# [05:53] <heycam> I hope the parser is the easiest part of it (though not looking at it I don't really know)
# [05:53] <@bz> Because he really wants to use ES syntax bits
# [05:53] <heycam> bz, not as written in the spec, for sure
# [05:53] <@bz> and I worry a bit about that.
# [05:53] <@bz> Because having to hand-roll a parser is not sounding all that appealing. ;)
# [05:53] <heycam> bz, I remember there are various productions that do some negative assertion lookahead too
# [05:54] <heycam> bz, is JSIDL meant to be in JS syntax?
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# [05:54] <jcranmer> bz: well, you need to have a custom lexer because of the div/regex problem
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# [05:55] <RyanVM> mbrubeck: there were issues earlier
# [05:55] <RyanVM> should be ok now
# [05:55] <mbrubeck> thanks, RyanVM
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# [05:56] <@bz> heycam: I think he'd like to reuse elements of it
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# [05:56] <heycam> bz, hopefully it's a small sane subset then
# [05:57] <@bz> heycam: yeah, that's the hope
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# [05:57] <@bz> jcranmer: div/regex?
# [05:57] <jcranmer> bz: is `/' the division operator or the beginning of a regular expression
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# [05:57] <@bz> jcranmer: you mean for JS? Or you mean for an IDL that reuses JS syntax elements?
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# [05:57] <jcranmer> for JS
# [05:57] <jcranmer> you asked if JS was LL(1)
# [05:58] <@bz> jcranmer: I propose execution of anyone using regex syntax in IDL. ;)
# [05:58] <@bz> Ah, right
# [05:58] <@bz> Full JS certainly is not.
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# [05:59] <@bz> ok
# [05:59] <@bz> bedtime
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# [06:00] <jcranmer> thje grammar as written isn't LL(1), but I'm paging through it to see if it could be if rewritten
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# [06:01] <jcranmer> ough it to see if left-factoring is all you would need to do
# [06:01] <jcranmer> (constructs like A -> A b are not LL(1) as written)
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# [06:08] <@bz_sleep> really, my requirement is not LL(1)
# [06:08] <@bz_sleep> my requirement is "can be done with lex&yacc"
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# [06:13] <jcranmer> (and regex can be solved with stateful parsing)
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# [06:14] <@bz_sleep> done
# [06:15] <jcranmer> sorry, I have a minor hate spiel about non-regular lexing
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# [07:55] <Jesse_> bz midaired my tracking nomination... by marking tracking+
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# [07:55] <Jesse_> :)
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# [08:29] <ayush> Hi
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# [08:37] <glandium> bz_sleep: don't export MOZ_DEBUG ;)
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# [08:42] <Ms2ger> Bonjour
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# [08:44] <VirajSinha> hey felipe
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# [08:49] <sachin_h> Hello. When I try to test an API in scratchpad, by loading the jsm file like so :
# [08:49] <sachin_h> Components.utils.import("resource://gre/modules/AddonRepository.jsm");
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# [08:49] <sachin_h> I get this message : Permission denied to access property 'utils'
# [08:50] <sachin_h> Is there is way by which I can use Scratchpad to test?
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# [08:52] <Mook> sachin_h: I think you need to set devtools.chrome.enabled in about:config then use the menu item Environment -> Browser
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# [08:55] <sachin_h> Mook : Thank you!
# [08:55] <Mook> you're welcome.
# [08:55] <sachin_h> It worked.
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# [10:12] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/1fd472d11b4c - Jonathan Kew - bug 838239 - check for possible DPI change when restoring content from browser history. r=roc
# [10:12] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/a0e3cd48151b - Jonathan Kew - bug 861112 - (widget/gtk2) scaling from display to device pixels should only apply to top-level windows/dialogs/popups, not to child or plugin windows. r=roc
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# [13:27] <crussell> I just killed my well-referenced bug with Ctrl+Shift+W instead of Ctrl+Shift+T
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# [13:54] <annevk> file a bug on Bugzilla to use beforeunload
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# [13:54] <annevk> if you entered a bunch of data, it really ought to prompt you first
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# [13:55] <Ms2ger> Heh
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# [13:56] <annevk> or maybe that should even be part of the browser?
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# [13:57] <Ms2ger> As in https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=852279 ?
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# [14:17] <Dagger> and everybody should have https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/textarea-cache installed
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# [14:22] <@smaug> --annevk
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# [14:22] <@smaug> we want bugzilla to be able to bfcache as many pages as possible
# [14:22] <@smaug> so no unload or beforeunlod listeners
# [14:22] <@smaug> but annevk wasn't serious :)
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# [14:25] <annevk> if that breaks bfcache we should maybe have a feature that doesn't but still allows alerting the user for potential dataloss
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# [14:31] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/9022b73d427a - Olli Pettay - Bug 860971, if changing the visibility changes contentviewer, don't try to proceed in nsFrameLoader::Show, r=bz
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# [14:36] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/334da067051e - Mark Capella - Bug 848267 - Awesomebar loses correct tab selection, r=wesj, f=lucasr
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# [16:52] <yzen> Yoric: hi, should I push flag as check-in needed or push to try, re bug 861264?
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# [17:30] <dtrebbien> Hi
# [17:30] <dtrebbien> I am wondering if someone can help me work on https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=861217
# [17:31] <dtrebbien> I would like to contribute some tests myself as my first contribution.
# [17:31] <dtrebbien> I have successfully built Firefox from source on my Mac (Mac OS 10.7.5), and I am looking at trying to run the test suites.
# [17:32] <dtrebbien> First off, what test suite would be best to add the tests?
# [17:32] <dtrebbien> Is it Mochitest?
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# [17:33] <Fallen> dtrebbien: your mentor is bz_sleep, but he is sleeping. Unless someone else here can help you, weekdays is probably easier to find someone
# [17:35] <dtrebbien> I see. That's what [mentor=bz] means.
# [17:36] <dtrebbien> I can't really work on this during the week.
# [17:37] <dtrebbien> Do you know how to run the dom tests?
# [17:37] <dtrebbien> I was attempting to follow the instructions on the wiki, but I was seeing an error.
# [17:37] <Callek> dtrebbien: you can always e-mail bz and he might be able to reply/come around today for you
# [17:38] <dtrebbien> Oh, okay.
# [17:38] <Callek> bzbarsky@mozilla.com is his work e-mail
# [17:38] * Callek doesn't know if he uses that more/less/the-same as his .mit e-mail I recall he used to have
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# [17:41] <Ms2ger> Callek, dtrebbien, bzbarsky at mit dot edu
# [17:42] <Callek> Ms2ger: indeed, just didn't know for sure if he still used that, my zimbra autocompl'ed to his @m.c -- he may also forward m.c to his mit etc
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# [17:42] * Callek is willing to bet he at the least reads his @m.c regularly, one way or another
# [17:42] <Ms2ger> Callek, the MIT one is the one he suggests himself, that's all I know :)
# [17:42] <Callek> ahhhhh ok
# [17:42] <Callek> y'see I didn't know that :-)
# [17:43] <dtrebbien> Okay. I will contact Boris at his MIT email address.
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# [18:15] <shu> is it known that something wonky is going on with the Fedora64 boxes on try?
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# [18:16] <Ms2ger> shu, what's wrong?
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# [18:17] <shu> Ms2ger: the builds are busted at not able to find gtk
# [18:18] <wg9s> yes getting this error
# [18:18] <wg9s> configure: error: Library requirements (gtk+-2.0 >= 2.10.0 gtk+-unix-print-2.0 glib-2.0 gobject-2.0 gdk-x11-2.0) not met; consider adjusting the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if your libraries are in a nonstandard prefix so pkg-config can find them.
# [18:19] <Ms2ger> Fun
# [18:19] <Ms2ger> Callek?
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# [18:20] <Callek> huh that sounds bad
# [18:20] <Callek> shu: have a link to your try push?
# [18:20] <Callek> and what branch was it based on?
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# [18:20] * Callek is almost ready to blame glandium for that breakage, fwiw :-P
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# [18:21] <Callek> (since he convinced me to take i686 packages for linux64 on try to test cross-compile)
# [18:21] <shu> Callek: inbound, and here: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=cf3ef1bd6177
# [18:21] <shu> Callek: the SM(r) build is also failing weirdly, says cannot link incompatible -lz
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# [18:23] <Callek> shu: so, I can't look deeply into this, this very second, but can you do me a favor, and push an unmodified inbound to try, with SM(r) test + linux64-only -- ping me here its try link, and I'll promise to look closer today
# [18:25] <shu> Callek: oh i'm in no hurry either
# [18:25] <shu> Callek: let me do that now
# [18:25] <Callek> thanks
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# [18:26] <shu> Callek: what's the try syntax for SM(r)?
# [18:26] <Callek> shu: I'm ok if you do the whole tests and not just SM(r)
# [18:26] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/390be7c3dd3a - Norbert Lindenberg - Bug 853301 - Enable ECMAScript Internationalization API for desktop Firefox. r=gps, r=brendan, sr=asa
# [18:26] <Callek> just only do linux64 ;-)
# [18:26] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/029a6cc8ca0a - Norbert Lindenberg - Bug 724533 - Integrate ICU into the Mozilla build. r=glandium
# [18:26] <Callek> shu: http://trychooser.pub.build.mozilla.org/
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# [18:28] <shu> Callek: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=6ae475a235da
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# [18:29] <Callek> thx
# [18:30] <shu> Callek: thanks for taking a look; i'm off
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# [18:34] <wg9s> Ms2ger: can you approve my access for level 1 access so i can push to try? bug 861526
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# [18:36] <Ms2ger> wg9s, done
# [18:36] <wg9s> Thanks!
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# [18:37] <Ms2ger> Np
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# [18:39] <Callek> wg9s: huh you didn't even have L1 access?
# [18:39] <Callek> wow
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# [18:40] <wg9s> no i have never actually ever checked anything in.
# [18:40] <Callek> Ms2ger: haha really?
# [18:40] <Callek> did you write that?
# [18:41] <Ms2ger> No, wasn't me
# [18:41] <nigelb> I want to write "Ms2ger is a legend."
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# [18:41] <nigelb> and leave it there.
# [18:41] <Ms2ger> nigelb, you're too kind, sir :)
# [18:41] <nigelb> Ms2ger: :)
# [18:41] <wg9s> odd for someone who contributed his first patch over 10 years ago I guess.
# [18:42] <Callek> I also admit I never knew your name
# [18:42] <Callek> I also never thought to ask/bothered since I do know you (by IRC)
# [18:42] <wg9s> but have always depended on the kindness of others to land my stuff, but now i have a patch i need to test on try.
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# [18:45] <Ms2ger> https://badges.mozilla.org/en-US/badges/badge/Locked-out-of-LDAP-account
# [18:46] <nigelb> Hehehe.
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# [18:48] <nigelb> There's a reddit post asking Hixie to read up on HTML5.
# [18:48] <nigelb> Haha.
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# [18:51] <jcranmer> uh
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# [18:57] <wg9s> arrgghh! this is not going to help anyway. does not seem to be any mechanism to do PGO builds on try.
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# [18:59] <KaiRo> nigelb: he definitely should, he surely has clue about it
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# [19:00] <Ms2ger> wg9s, there is some way...
# [19:00] <wg9s> ok but does not seem to be a choice on trychoser.
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# [19:00] <wg9s> chooser
# [19:00] <Ms2ger> https://wiki.mozilla.org/ReleaseEngineering/TryChooser#What_if_I_want_PGO_for_my_build
# [19:00] <nigelb> KaiRo: hehe.
# [19:01] <wg9s> i want to push a patch and force 6 Windows PGO builds with tests.
# [19:01] <wg9s> OK
# [19:01] <wg9s> thanks
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# [19:02] <wg9s> ah so i have to add a change to the mozconfig to what I push to do PGO OK that will work i guess
# [19:03] <KaiRo> nigelb: and I meant "no clue", but I guess you understood
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# [19:08] <wg9s> Ms2ger: and to do it 6 times I just push 6 times?
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# [19:09] <Ms2ger> wg9s, or you can retrigger the builds from TBPL; the blue arrow at the bottom of the screen when you click the "B"
# [19:10] * @smaug rarely lols but sr=asa :)
# [19:10] <wg9s> Ms2ger: but will that re-do the tests
# [19:10] <Ms2ger> Yes
# [19:10] <@smaug> (I know, it is not really an sr)
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# [19:22] <fabrice> lol
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# [19:29] <@smaug> happens once a year when I find such case which mxr can't handle
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# [19:30] <jcranmer> ?
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# [19:39] <JosiahOne> Hmm… Does something like this work in a js file?
# [19:39] <JosiahOne> #if defined(XP_MACOSX) && defined(AUSTRALIS)
# [19:40] <JosiahOne> (As a dual ifdef statement)
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# [19:54] <@smaug> e
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# [20:03] <NeilAway> Ms2ger: huh, I got a certificate for tbpl trying to visit that badges link
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# [20:04] <NeilAway> JosiahOne: you probably mean "in a file that is preprocessed to js by the build system", but the answer is still no
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# [20:05] <Callek> fwiw
# [20:05] <JosiahOne> NeilAway: Okay thanks. (And yes, that is what I meant)
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# [20:14] <sfink> dunno, but I want it
# [20:15] <mbrubeck> NeilAway: fennec has "zombify": http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/mobile/android/chrome/content/browser.js#7184
# [20:16] <mbrubeck> sorry, meant to link to http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/mobile/android/chrome/content/MemoryObserver.js#34
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# [20:18] <NeilAway> mbrubeck: ta, I'll link the guy in m.wishlist to that
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# [20:21] <philor> oh, yeah, of course, Core::General and somehow know who to cc
# [20:21] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/6155cad4bea3 - Matt Brubeck - Bug 847279 - Remove extra mouse click in test_bug620145.html [r=dolske]
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# [20:23] <@smaug> philor: speech stuff? CC me
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# [20:24] <@smaug> and maybe ggp and eeejay
# [20:24] <philor> smaug: yeah, I went with "clone a previous intermittent (which also says that you need a component) and assume RyanVM got a good cc list on it"
# [20:24] <philor> but, why?
# [20:25] <philor> have we started charging an outrageous fee to create a component, or is it just something that's probably going to get dropped, or what?
# [20:26] <@smaug> should use DOM as a component
# [20:26] <@smaug> we've tried to reduce the number of components
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# [20:44] <Ms2ger> philor, we really don't
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# [20:47] <philor> of the sort that winds up in a heart attack and death
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# [21:01] <glandium> Callek: back me out ;(
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# [21:04] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/7973e5a69dc5 - Ehsan Akhgari - Bug 861325 - Use an optional NamedConstructor argument for HTMLAudioElement; r=bzbarsky
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# [21:07] <Ms2ger> "I just faxed it."
# [21:07] <Ms2ger> That's not something I expected to see
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# [21:17] <wg9s> Ms2ger: You saying faxing is too "Old School"?
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# [21:19] <Ms2ger> wg9s, I don't think I've ever used a fax :)
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# [21:20] <philor> oh, that's why I didn't see the prereq for ICU land, because it didn't
# [21:20] <wg9s> was having trouble getting my scanner to work, then realized it was because i needed to permit it to open pop-ups.
# [21:21] <wg9s> i have not used this scanner much either.
# [21:21] <Ms2ger> philor, oh, is it permaorange?
# [21:21] <wg9s> my previous copier broke so replaced it with a copier printer fax scanner thing. had not ever tried it scanner function.
# [21:22] <philor> and it has an unmarked review by someone who is "New to Bugzilla", interesting
# [21:22] <philor> Ms2ger: yeah, Win xpcshell, bug 845190
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# [21:22] <wg9s> that whole agreement seems rather lame for try access.
# [21:22] <Ms2ger> naveed!
# [21:23] <philor> perhaps that patch fixes the perma, perhaps rabbidrabbit is a good reviewer for OS.File, perhaps perhaps
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# [21:24] <Yoric> philor: What but is that?
# [21:24] <Yoric> s/but/bug/
# [21:24] <philor> Yoric: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=845190
# [21:24] <Yoric> Normally, there are only two reviewers for OS.File at the moment: froydnj and myself.
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# [21:25] <philor> this bug is filled with odd, since it's a search test and an OS.File test blocking a jseng bug that apparently there is extreme pressure from above to land
# [21:25] <wg9s> sparagraph 1 and 2 seem relevant. 3 though 6 seem to really not be for access to push to try only.
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# [21:25] <Yoric> Now rabbidrabbit is the author of the patch that seems to trigger the bug.
# [21:25] <Yoric> (don't know if the patch actually causes it)
# [21:26] <Yoric> I'll pick up the review.
# [21:26] * wg9s wonders if rabbid rabbits are the cause of all bugs. ;-)
# [21:27] <philor> thx - my current problem is that Norbert's patch that was blocked by it has landed on inbound, where it's permaoranging us, though I may or may not be backing it out over b2g desktop
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# [21:33] <VirajSinha> Hello everyone. This is regarding the GSoC project "Autosuggest Search Engine". I don't know whom to contact as felipe is away so can anyone please help me.
# [21:33] <JosiahOne> VirajSinha: Perhaps.
# [21:34] <JosiahOne> VirajSinha: It's best around here to just ask the question. Just so you know. :)
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# [21:48] <VirajSinha> hey actualli i have thought of a basic algorithm to approach this
# [21:49] <VirajSinha> i just needed to talk with the mentors to see if how we should move forward and if i am on the right track.
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# [21:51] <wg9s> VirajSinha: Is there a bug associated with this project? If so it might be best to describe the algorithm in the bug and ask for feedback.
# [21:51] <VirajSinha> no there is no bug
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# [21:52] <wg9s> perhaps you should file one and assign it to yourself.
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# [21:52] <wg9s> documenting things in a bug keeps a history that others acn learn from as well.
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# [21:58] <felipe> VirajSinha: hi
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# [21:58] <VirajSinha> hello felipe
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# [22:00] <VirajSinha_> felipe: i just wanted to discuss about this basic algorithm i thought of looking into the form action of the dom to identify if it is really being used as a search engine
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# [22:01] <felipe> VirajSinha_: cool, what's your idea?
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# [22:03] <VirajSinha_> felipe: suppose i go to xyz.com and firefox has the dom. in the dom of xyz.com i look for a form element and when it is found it's action. now if the user types a query say beatles and the page is redirected to xyz.com/action?variable=beatles
# [22:04] <VirajSinha_> we know that it has been used for searching and store xyz.com
# [22:04] <VirajSinha_> and after every search update the points for it
# [22:05] <VirajSinha_> so that when it crosses a particular point we know that it is being used often and can show user the option to add this as a search engine
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# [22:07] <felipe> VirajSinha_: that's a good start. but you'll need some refinements. what if for example the form has more than one field? how do you know which one is the right one?
# [22:07] <VirajSinha_> yea like we need a form with just one textbox
# [22:07] <VirajSinha_> but it can have more than one buttons
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# [22:08] <felipe> so in your algorithm you plan to not consider forms with more than 1 text input?
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# [22:10] <Yoric> ttaubert: \o/
# [22:11] <VirajSinha_> i think we can have multiple textboxes as well its the action which is important
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# [22:11] <VirajSinha_> also we need to distinguish the search engine form from a normal application form.
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# [22:12] <VirajSinha_> or a login/signup form
# [22:12] <felipe> yeah
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# [22:15] <VirajSinha_> but i can't think of search engines having two textboxes as query can be typed in just one..
# [22:15] <VirajSinha_> that is why i initially thought of only having one textbox
# [22:15] <felipe> yeah, it's a fair condition (only 1 text input)
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# [22:16] <felipe> but remember that forms usually have other invisible fields that you shouldn't dismiss
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# [22:17] <VirajSinha_> yup you are right so if input type="hidden" we can ignore that..
# [22:17] <felipe> right
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# [22:18] <VirajSinha_> yea it's a start i am sure that there will be a lot of case which we will need to think about and some tedious ones as well
# [22:19] <felipe> VirajSinha_: one thing that I suggest is that you find some websites where you want this feature to work
# [22:19] <felipe> and then manually "test" your algorithm to see how well it would work for each website
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# [22:20] <VirajSinha_> ok i will get on that. Thanks felipe
# [22:20] <felipe> you're welcome
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# [22:22] <VirajSinha_> felipe: should i make a plugin for that?
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# [22:22] <felipe> VirajSinha_: no, this project should be done as a patch for Firefox
# [22:23] <VirajSinha_> felipe: ok. I am sorry to bother you with this but I have never made a patch for Firefox before.
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# [22:25] <felipe> VirajSinha_: do you know how mercurial or git works?
# [22:26] <VirajSinha_> felipe: i have used git before not mercurial.
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# [22:27] <felipe> VirajSinha_: they're similar in basic usage. this page should help you get started on compiling Firefox: https://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/Simple_Firefox_build
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# [22:29] <VirajSinha_> felipe: thanks man. Can I bug you if I face problems with understanding the code.
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# [22:30] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/a18b89e5b3e6 - Phil Ringnalda - Back out 390be7c3dd3a (bug 853301) and 029a6cc8ca0a (bug 724533) for b2g desktop Windows build bustage and Windows xpcshell orange
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# [22:35] <felipe> VirajSinha_: yes sure
# [22:36] <VirajSinha_> felipe: Thaks man . Good night. It's 2 a.m here..:)
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# [22:37] <felipe> goodbye
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# [22:52] <t0by> Hi!
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# [22:56] <t0by> ctalbert|afk, ahal, may I bother you - and anyone else interested - for a moment? I'm having a look at Mozilla's SOC 2013 page, and I find "your" entries under Automation and Tools interesting, along with "Thunderbird Tests". I was thinking of applying; I've read the FAQs, but I haven't applied for SOC projects and I'm not familiar with Mozilla development. On the other hand, I do have some real life ex
# [22:56] <t0by> perience and I'm a good student. Do you think I should consider applying anyway? Thanks!
# [22:57] <t0by> *but I have never applied for SOC blah blah, sorry.
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# [23:01] <KWierso|Home> t0by: you might have better luck over in #ateam :)
# [23:02] <t0by> KWierso|Home, sorry, the site pointed here :)
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# [23:33] <wsm> what does "bad script XDR magic number" mean with https://getsatisfaction.com/mozilla_messaging/topics/frequent_crash_mozalloc_abort_char_const_const_ns_debugbreak_p_nsastring_internal_setcapacity_unsigned_int#reply_11460888 ??
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# [23:40] <KWierso|Home> wsm: this is the only place I can find that error being thrown in comm-central's mxr: http://mxr.mozilla.org/comm-central/source/mozilla/js/src/vm/Xdr.cpp#92
# [23:41] <luisbg> is there any reason to create a nsRefPtr (pointing to a decoder) but not using it at all?
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