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  5. # [00:01] <@ehsan> inbound open
  6. # [00:01] <mbrubeck> Nice, we just pulled ahead of V8 in Kraken on x64 thanks to bug 863349 and others: http://www.arewefastyet.com/#machine=12
  7. # [00:01] <@ehsan> Waldo: ok patch up for review
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  16. # [00:07] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/ee2b21075330 - Dave Hunt - Bug 863893 - Bump marionette_client version to 0.5.24. r=mdas
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  19. # [00:09] <Gijs> soooo... this profile manager segfault... has that been fixed yet?
  20. # [00:09] <Gijs> and/or do we know what caused it so I can update to something that doesn't crash on startup? :)
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  23. # [00:10] <@ehsan> Gijs: fixed on central
  24. # [00:10] <Gijs> ehsan: ah, OK, so just more updates + rebases then. Thanks! :)
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  33. # [00:12] <mbrubeck> bholley: Orange "make check" on mozilla-central (Mac and Linux)
  34. # [00:12] <bholley> mbrubeck: arg
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  40. # [00:14] <@ehsan> mccr8: bholley: victory \o/
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  42. # [00:15] <mccr8> ehsan: hooray!
  43. # [00:15] <@ehsan> I hope that this thread safe weak ptr thing would be useful to others as well
  44. # [00:16] <bholley> bsmedberg: still there by any chance?
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  46. # [00:17] <fryn> BenWa: ping
  47. # [00:17] <@ehsan> fryn: he's left
  48. # [00:17] <fryn> aw man :(
  49. # [00:17] <fryn> ehsan: thanks for letting me know :)
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  51. # [00:17] <@ehsan> np
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  56. # [00:20] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/62ec34a45dfd - David Zbarsky - [Bug 857884] Use dom::EventTarget more instead of nsIDOMEventTarget Part 5 r=Ms2ger
  57. # [00:20] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/bccba6d0be91 - David Zbarsky - Bug 857439 Followup: Add null-checks for WrapObject failing and assert that the JSObject took ownership if WrapObject succeeded r=bz
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  59. # [00:20] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/2201d650ac90 - David Zbarsky - Bug 861729 - Remove nsPIDOMWindow::GetExtantDocument r=Ms2ger
  60. # [00:21] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/f710f8fb2ab0 - David Zbarsky - Bug 861729 - Remove nsPIDOMWindow::mDocument r=Ms2ger
  61. # [00:21] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/dcee2cd3394a - David Zbarsky - [Bug 857884] Use dom::EventTarget more instead of nsIDOMEventTarget Part 6 r=Ms2ger
  62. # [00:21] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/16e42f1b8b58 - David Zbarsky - Bug 857884 - Use dom::EventTarget more in content/ and dom/ Part 4 r=Ms2ger
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  73. # [00:27] <nalexander> Well that's interesting: /Users/ncalexan/Mozilla/Android/android-ndk-r8c/toolchains/arm-linux-androideabi-4.6/prebuilt/darwin-x86/bin/../lib/gcc/arm-linux-androideabi/4.6/../../../../arm-linux-androideabi/bin/ld: fatal error: libxul.so: mmap: failed to allocate 1113889768 bytes for output file: Cannot allocate memory
  74. # [00:27] <nalexander> Anybody seen that one before?
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  76. # [00:30] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/c1483e6de03a - Brian Hackett - Bug 863524 - Do not mark atoms compartment during minor GC; r=billm,terrence
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  78. # [00:31] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/797eeb4f147a - Bobby Holley - Back out bug 863646 for make check orange (TestStartupCache).
  79. # [00:31] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/dd03d42b01b1 - Bobby Holley - Back out bug 860438 nsWindowWatcher patch for ProfileManager crashes.
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  82. # [00:33] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/ac14e49337b8 - Nick Alexander - Bug 863106 - Check for minidumps directory only when crash reporter is enabled. r=jmaher
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  89. # [00:36] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/f9405d359a22 - Brian Smith - Bug 787155: Avoid using libpkix on B2G to work around crash in PKIX_List_GetItem and improve performance, r=honzab, a=tef+
  90. # [00:37] <Waldo> ehsan: looks fine, except for the one concern noted; let me know if I'm misreading something
  91. # [00:38] <Mook_as> nalexander: is that using a 32 bit toolchain? you may be running out of address space...
  92. # [00:38] <dzbarsky> jlebar|away: ping?
  93. # [00:38] <jlebar|away> dzbarsky: hi
  94. # [00:39] <dzbarsky> jlebar|away: is nsGenericHTMLFrameElement::TitleChangedListener dead code now?
  95. # [00:39] <nalexander> Mook_as: I will have to investigate. I'm pretty surprised, I've built a great deal with this mozconfig and never had problems.
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  97. # [00:39] <@ehsan> Waldo: so I made WeakPtr constructible from WeakPtrBase
  98. # [00:39] <@ehsan> is that not enough?
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  101. # [00:40] <Waldo> oh, hm
  102. # [00:40] <Waldo> ah, right
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  104. # [00:40] <jlebar|away> dzbarsky: yes
  105. # [00:40] <nalexander> Mook_as: just FYI, https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=859341
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  107. # [00:41] <Waldo> ehsan: yeah, that looks fine then
  108. # [00:41] <dzbarsky> jlebar|away: r=you to remove?
  109. # [00:41] <jlebar|away> dzbarsky: yes, but please also update the comment in nsINode that mentions mTitleChangedListener
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  112. # [00:41] <dzbarsky> jlebar|away: yup, I saw that
  113. # [00:41] <jlebar|away> :)
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  115. # [00:42] <@ehsan> Waldo: so can I land this patch as is?
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  118. # [00:42] <Waldo> ehsan: yeah
  119. # [00:42] <@ehsan> \o/
  120. # [00:42] <@ehsan> thanks so much for the quick review
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  127. # [00:46] <@roc> ehsan: why do we need this WeakPtrThreadSafe thing?
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  129. # [00:47] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/c23e30df38d1 - Ehsan Akhgari - Bug 863884 - Prepare WeakPtr to support a thread-safe variant; r=Waldo
  130. # [00:47] <@ehsan> roc: so remember how we're relying on the CC for our lifetime management?
  131. # [00:47] <@ehsan> this means that the CC has to know about all strong refs
  132. # [00:47] <@roc> yes, bear with me for a second
  133. # [00:47] <@ehsan> now, nsMainThreadPtrHolder holds on to our node
  134. # [00:47] <@ehsan> hrm ok
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  139. # [00:49] <@roc> sorry I'm thinking
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  141. # [00:49] <@ehsan> ok np
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  143. # [00:50] <@roc> yeah so
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  145. # [00:51] <@roc> why not give the Command runnable a strong reference to the AudioNodeStream
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  147. # [00:51] <@roc> er hang on
  148. # [00:52] <@roc> yeah
  149. # [00:52] <@roc> then in Run(), you can get the AudioNodeEngine from the stream. From the Engine you can get the ScriptProcessorNode.
  150. # [00:53] <@roc> When ScriptProcessorNode dies, its destructor would clear the Engine's reference to the node
  151. # [00:53] <aja> bholley: fyi, prof mgr patch got merged over to ux, too
  152. # [00:54] <@ehsan> roc: hmm, yeah I guess that would work...
  153. # [00:54] <jwir3> anyone else seeing "remote: abort: Operation not permitted: /repo/hg/mozilla/try/.hg/journal.bookmarks" when trying to push to try?
  154. # [00:54] <philor> dzbarsky: we could add you to treestatus, so you could just close the tree when you land...
  155. # [00:54] <@ehsan> roc: but note that this is a problem that we'll have in more than once plac
  156. # [00:55] <@ehsan> *place
  157. # [00:55] <jwir3> it just cropped up for me...
  158. # [00:55] <@ehsan> roc: if we're going to do our weak ptr this way, then I think we should come up with a generalized solution
  159. # [00:55] <@ehsan> based on what you suggest
  160. # [00:55] <@roc> ehsan: we could put a reference to the AudioNode into the AudioNodeEngine base class, and clear it from the AudioNode destructor
  161. # [00:55] <dzbarsky> philor: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=458cd89759b9 =(
  162. # [00:55] <@roc> so all nodes can use this scheme
  163. # [00:56] <dzbarsky> philor: let me back out the last 2 patches
  164. # [00:56] <@ehsan> perhaps
  165. # [00:56] <@ehsan> roc: but that would blow up in our face if somebody forgets to take a strong ref to the stream
  166. # [00:56] <@ehsan> roc: why are you opposed to the weak ptr solution btw?
  167. # [00:56] <@ehsan> that is much less fragile I think
  168. # [00:56] <@roc> well, the runnable has to have a strong ref to something
  169. # [00:56] <@ehsan> no :)
  170. # [00:57] <@ehsan> it should just deal with the case where the node dies before it
  171. # [00:57] <@ehsan> basically by doing nothing
  172. # [00:57] <@roc> if someone tries to dispatch a runnable that doesn't hold a strong ref to anything, they're in trouble
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  174. # [00:57] <@ehsan> no they're not
  175. # [00:57] <@ehsan> see what my current patch does
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  177. # [00:57] <@roc> ok
  178. # [00:57] <@ehsan> I just check the weak ptr, and if it's dead, don't do anything
  179. # [00:58] <@roc> but you should never try to dispatch a runnable with just bare pointers
  180. # [00:58] <@ehsan> I'm not
  181. # [00:58] <@ehsan> I dispatch it with a WeakPtrThreadSafe
  182. # [00:58] <@ehsan> which is safe
  183. # [00:59] <mccr8> it even says safe in the name! ;)
  184. # [00:59] <@roc> WeakPtrs add overhead
  185. # [00:59] <@ehsan> heh, right
  186. # [00:59] <@ehsan> yeah
  187. # [00:59] <@ehsan> but they also add clarity to the code
  188. # [00:59] <@roc> so I'm not being clear I guess
  189. # [00:59] <@ehsan> what you're suggesting is essentially a weak ptr itself
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  191. # [01:00] <@roc> I'm saying that I doubt "somebody forgets to take a strong ref to the stream"
  192. # [01:00] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/eefc8051c72f - David Zbarsky - Backout f710f8fb2ab0 for not building on windows
  193. # [01:00] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/6b7ed89e98a3 - David Zbarsky - Backout 2201d650ac90 for not building on Windows on a CLOSED TREE
  194. # [01:00] <@roc> If someone dispatches a runnable that contains just a "AudioNodeStream*" that should be pretty obviously broken
  195. # [01:00] <@ehsan> hmm
  196. # [01:00] <@ehsan> I guess
  197. # [01:00] <@roc> and they could just as easily dispatch a runnable containing just an AudioNode* copied from the WeakPtr
  198. # [01:01] <@ehsan> tbh I might be a bit biased towards the weakptr solution since I spent 2 hours to make it work ;)
  199. # [01:01] <@roc> maybe it'll be useful elsewhere :-)
  200. # [01:01] <@ehsan> yeah I guess so
  201. # [01:01] <@ehsan> roc: ok but most important of all, when are you leaving?
  202. # [01:02] <@roc> tomorrow afternoon
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  204. # [01:02] <@ehsan> it's Friday night here, and I needed to leave half an hour ago
  205. # [01:02] <@roc> go
  206. # [01:02] <@ehsan> ok so if I finish the patch tomorrow will you be able to look at it?
  207. # [01:02] <@roc> maybe
  208. # [01:02] <@roc> I'll be back again on your Monday night anyway
  209. # [01:02] <@roc> no biggie
  210. # [01:02] <@ehsan> oh yes, right
  211. # [01:02] <@ehsan> ok
  212. # [01:02] <@ehsan> cool :)
  213. # [01:02] <@ehsan> I just want this in asap
  214. # [01:02] <@ehsan> so that we can get some tests
  215. # [01:02] <@roc> well, unless something bad happens in the wilderness :-)
  216. # [01:03] <@ehsan> hehe, stay away from danger~
  217. # [01:03] <@ehsan> if you hear a roar, DO NOT GO AND CHECK IT OUT
  218. # [01:03] <@ehsan> that's almost always a bad idea
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  220. # [01:04] <@ehsan> roc: ok so I'll do my best to finish this up (with tests tomorrow)
  221. # [01:04] <@ehsan> gotta go now
  222. # [01:04] <@roc> there isn't anything in NZ that roars
  223. # [01:04] <@roc> see ya
  224. # [01:04] <@ehsan> cya
  225. # [01:04] <@ehsan> and have fun :)
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  233. # [01:13] <wg9s> roc: but we keep hearing that travelling in New Zealand is similar to travelling in Tazmania.
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  236. # [01:15] <Waldo> nothing that roars, really?
  237. # [01:16] * Waldo revises his estimate of how hardcore NZ is
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  239. # [01:16] <rillian> Waldo: NZ doesn't require roaring animals. That is how hardcore it is.
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  248. # [01:23] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/87ac8643d3b3 - Jeff Gilbert - Bug 822431 - Use MOZ_UNLIKELY in MOZ_ASSERT. r=waldo
  249. # [01:23] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/6953e922b5c7 - Chris Peterson - Bug 862069 - Toggle gesture keyboards' input type when user enters a search query in the AwesomeBar. r=jchen
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  255. # [01:30] <BenWa> gps: did you find the gtest bug?
  256. # [01:31] <BenWa> gps: This is the big pre-req for it. bug 844288 . I'd love some help since I'm terrible at build system changes
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  267. # [01:37] <nrc> NZ is not hardcore at all - no venomous animals, no dangerous animals, no serious weather, hardly any crime
  268. # [01:37] <nrc> the only things to worry about are earthquakes and volcanoes
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  270. # [01:38] <nrc> and we only have them because otherwise it would be too boring
  271. # [01:38] <jesup> And giant flightless parrots
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  273. # [01:39] <nrc> they are only dangerous if you are a car
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  275. # [01:40] <jcranmer> the only thing we have to watch out for are tornados, flooding, and snowstorms
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  311. # [02:11] <billm> does anyone know where these messages are coming from: "[debug] epoll_dispatch: epoll_wait reports 1" ?
  312. # [02:12] <jdm> billm: yep, there's a bug open about it
  313. # [02:12] <jdm> and discussion is ongoing
  314. # [02:12] <mbrubeck> Sometimes I wonder why we bother tracking perf benchmarks and regressions if we're just end up letting them slide like this: http://graphs.mozilla.org/graph.html#tests=[[83,1,12]]&sel=none&displayrange=365&datatype=running
  315. # [02:13] <jdm> bug 860885
  316. # [02:13] <jdm> oof
  317. # [02:13] <jdm> that's quite a trend
  318. # [02:13] <mbrubeck> Ts on Windows has regressed 40% since a year ago
  319. # [02:13] <@smaug> that is very well known problem
  320. # [02:14] <billm> jdm: thanks!
  321. # [02:14] <@smaug> and hard to track
  322. # [02:14] <@smaug> since the regression has happened slowly
  323. # [02:14] <mbrubeck> It's not that hard to track, if we actually cared about it.
  324. # [02:14] <@smaug> I've understood it has been hard to track
  325. # [02:15] <@smaug> but vladan and taras would know better
  326. # [02:15] <mbrubeck> I just backed out the cause of the most recent regression.
  327. # [02:15] <vladan> smaug mbrubeck: there is bug 778718
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  329. # [02:16] <vladan-afk> g2g
  330. # [02:17] <mbrubeck> I should try running the new and improved analyze.py over the historical data
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  334. # [02:19] <mbrubeck> But perhaps we should start backing out regression-causing bugs like 826093 immediately instead of filing follow-ups that may or may not get fixed.
  335. # [02:19] <mbrubeck> because even if I find out what caused the old regressions, it's a bit late now. :/
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  337. # [02:20] <mbrubeck> grar, looks like there is also a good deal of gradual regression that the analyzer won't help with. :(
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  339. # [02:20] <mbrubeck> I wonder how much total code size affects this.
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  342. # [02:22] <mbrubeck> otoh there are regressions that *do* have clear ranges like http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/pushloghtml?fromchange=a050d7a604fe&tochange=362510d94a1b but apparently no one bothered to even comment in the bug about it.
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  344. # [02:25] <mbrubeck> whole bunch of emails to tree-management about it; no reaction at all.
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  355. # [02:35] <jhammel> mbrubeck: i wish i could say i'm surprised, but that's me making a face like philor's
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  387. # [03:15] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/6eb19014d780 - Kannan Vijayan - Bug 861596 - Add optimized ArgumentsObject stubs to Ion ICs. r=h4writer
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  409. # [03:39] <philor> djvj: you've got a busted Arm
  410. # [03:39] <philor> or four
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  420. # [03:46] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/6cad92d16bda - Phil Ringnalda - Back out 6eb19014d780 (bug 861596) for Arm build bustage
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  464. # [04:38] <philor> okay, who doubled the time to run browser-chrome since 17?
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  466. # [04:39] <KWierso> not it
  467. # [04:39] <philor> and that's a particularly important question for the platforms, which shall remain named Windows, which were at half the time after which buildbot will just kill a step, before we doubled the time
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  469. # [04:41] <nrc> all of us? :-(
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  471. # [04:42] <@bz> philor: ouch
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  473. # [04:42] <philor> I doubt it's everyone - we've only gone from 31K to 38K tests, and I don't think we've become twice as slow in general
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  475. # [04:43] <@bz> we need a isbrowserchromefastyet.com
  476. # [04:44] <philor> and an istesting::browsertestactuallythebrowserchromecomponent.com
  477. # [04:44] <philor> pretty much every time I consider filing a bug there I wind up looking at the existing open bugs to see whether that really is browser-chrome
  478. # [04:44] <nrc> we should probably just buy yet.com and build an arewe... generator
  479. # [04:45] <philor> goodness gracious
  480. # [04:45] <philor> 09:52:36 INFO - ###!!! ASSERTION: Want to fire DOMNodeRemoved event, but it's not safe: '(aChild->IsNodeOfType(nsINode::eCONTENT) && static_cast<nsIContent*>(aChild)-> IsInNativeAnonymousSubtree()) || IsSafeToRunScript() || sDOMNodeRemovedSuppressCount', file e:/builds/moz2_slave/m-cen-w32-d-000000000000000000/build/content/base/src/nsContentUtils.cpp, line 3941
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  482. # [04:45] <philor> 09:52:46 INFO - nsINode::RemoveChild(nsINode &,mozilla::ErrorResult &) [content/base/src/nsINode.cpp:452]
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  484. # [04:46] <philor> 10 seconds to ponder outputting an assertion stack?
  485. # [04:46] <@bz> mutation events
  486. # [04:46] <@bz> kill, kill
  487. # [04:47] <philor> oh, only 10 seconds for the first one, apparently
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  489. # [04:47] <djvj> philor: gah!
  490. # [04:47] <philor> what's the bug component for "I want someone else to scroll through this entire full log looking for slownesses"?
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  492. # [04:48] <philor> djvj: yeah, just Arm, but apparently we're supposed to keep building on it, dunno quite why
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  494. # [04:48] <djvj> philor: srsly, who even _uses_ that arch?
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  498. # [04:49] <@bz> djvj: people who have MIPS envy? ;)
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  508. # [04:52] <philor> wonder what the total time is to output 18 nsFileStreams.cpp warnings every couple lines of anything else
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  512. # [04:54] <@bz> 10ZWL or so, if time is money?
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  518. # [04:59] <philor> http://www.pastebin.mozilla.org/2321761 is a nice assertion too - we seem to hit it twice, so it's around a second per instance to output the stack
  519. # [05:00] <philor> twice or four or six times in a row
  520. # [05:00] <@bz> So what do I set the target milestone to on bug 862702 once it's all landed?
  521. # [05:00] <@bz> I'm landing a patch on beta only and a test on beta and m-c....
  522. # [05:00] <@bz> but the bug is already fixed on m-c by other things
  523. # [05:01] <@bz> (and fixed on aurora too)
  524. # [05:01] <philor> leave it at --- and if anyone questions you, tell them to pick one?
  525. # [05:02] <@bz> okee
  526. # [05:02] * @bz lands test, marks bug as [leave open]
  527. # [05:05] <philor> hmm, there are multiple tests where we spend two or three seconds hitting that Shouldn't be trying to restyle non-elements directly assertion
  528. # [05:05] <philor> do that several thousand times, pretty soon you're talking about real time
  529. # [05:05] <@bz> philor: ugh
  530. # [05:05] <@bz> philor: editor tests?
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  532. # [05:06] <philor> bz: nope, I'm in sessionstore right now, started seeing it in... prefs I think
  533. # [05:07] <philor> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=22025306&tree=Mozilla-Central&full=1 if you want to have a random scroll around :)
  534. # [05:07] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/a7f043c6396f - Boris Zbarsky - Test for bug 862702. r=peterv
  535. # [05:07] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/725226475323 - Boris Zbarsky - Bug 863386. Add support for nullable enum arguments and return values. r=mccr8
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  537. # [05:07] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/e5d4a350a668 - Boris Zbarsky - Bug 862540. Make window.status actually be settable (but have no effect unless the pref that no one ever sets is set). r=smaug
  538. # [05:07] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/fc6404ba7c74 - Boris Zbarsky - Bug 862917. Remove the non-standard window.defaultStatus. r=smaug,gavin
  539. # [05:07] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/eb589744522d - Boris Zbarsky - Bug 862077. Even if we have a wrapper cache, don't assume that no cached wrapper means no wrapped native.: it's not true for inner windows. r=peterv
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  542. # [05:10] <@bz> philor: huh. Looking
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  544. # [05:11] <philor> hmm, and win7 PGO b-c went from 30 minutes on esr17 to 38 minutes on m-c, so maybe the answer really is that we went assertion-happy
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  549. # [05:12] <@bz> oh, wait
  550. # [05:12] <@bz> this is restyling non-elements, not the other thing
  551. # [05:12] <@bz> wtf?
  552. # [05:13] <@bz> Someone broke something. :(
  553. # [05:13] <@bz> philor: do you know if there's a bug for this?
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  555. # [05:14] <philor> bz: I'm sure there isn't for the slowness, I don't think there is for the assertion
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  558. # [05:16] <philor> other than the one that irving filed on mailnews, which could be the same start-of-an-explosion of them
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  560. # [05:17] <@bz> ok
  561. # [05:17] * @bz will file
  562. # [05:18] <@bz> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=761848
  563. # [05:18] <@bz> But this is probably not it....
  564. # [05:18] * @bz will debug
  565. # [05:18] <@bz> once I have a build
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  580. # [05:33] <jesup> bz: so the sheriffs (and others) were asking if we could do something to the full-log outputs to avoid locking the UI while they reflow... (Uploaded a profile to bug 367116, though unless we have magic, reflowing a big tbpl log will take a while). What can break up reflows to allow UI use?
  581. # [05:34] * jesup wishes for magic
  582. # [05:35] <jesup> Or we could do the reflow off-main-thread... ;-) I'm only 95% joking...
  583. # [05:35] <jesup> bbiab
  584. # [05:36] <philor> hmm, that assertion existed on 17, but we didn't hit it once in browser-chrome; on b2g18, and 19 when it was on mozilla-release, we do
  585. # [05:36] * philor blames b2g
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  593. # [05:51] <@bz> jesup: well
  594. # [05:51] <@bz> jesup: we _have_ interruptible reflow, in theory
  595. # [05:52] <@bz> jesup: if no one broke it
  596. # [05:52] <@bz> man, jprof
  597. # [05:52] <@bz> brings back memories
  598. # [05:53] <@bz> So for that profile....
  599. # [05:53] <@bz> lots of time under textrun construction
  600. # [05:53] <@bz> which is not interruptible
  601. # [05:53] <@bz> so if we're constructing one ginormous textrun....
  602. # [05:54] <@bz> Worth checking whether we have lots of calls to textrun init or just one for a huge run
  603. # [05:54] <@bz> jesup: ^
  604. # [05:54] <@bz> OK, so xpidl question
  605. # [05:54] <@bz> if I have:
  606. # [05:54] <@bz> interface nsIFoo : nsISupports {
  607. # [05:54] <@bz> attribute long foo;
  608. # [05:55] <@bz> void setFoo(long a, long b);
  609. # [05:55] <@bz> }
  610. # [05:55] <@bz> Will that totally fall down and die to to msvc reordering vtables?
  611. # [05:55] * @bz would think so
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  613. # [05:55] <jcranmer> bz: yep
  614. # [05:55] <@bz> why do we not disallow that?
  615. # [05:55] <jcranmer> the old xpidl did
  616. # [05:55] <@bz> um
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  618. # [05:56] <@bz> but pyxpidl does not?
  619. # [05:56] <jcranmer> pyidl didn't port that check IIRC
  620. # [05:56] <@bz> Is there a bug?
  621. # [05:56] <@bz> 'cause this patch I'm reviewing would totally cause this
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  623. # [05:57] <jcranmer> I don't think there is
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  627. # [06:01] <@bz> er, cc
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  666. # [07:08] * @bz can't reproduce
  667. # [07:09] <Asa> is bugzilla crawling for anyone else?
  668. # [07:10] <jesup> bz: I tried breaking up the run by throwing in <div>'s and <p>'s every thousand lines, it made no difference
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  670. # [07:11] <@bz> jesup: ok
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  672. # [07:11] <@bz> jesup: how many lines are there total?
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  675. # [07:12] <jesup> bz: jprof can output cleopatra-compatible data as well (at least for the simple case; it doesn't really work for per-thread IIRC (or did I have it output N cleopatra dumps?)
  676. # [07:13] <jesup> bz: well, I think I put them in every 1000 lines, and there were about 300 <div>'s. It was all in one <pre>, but I think I also tried <div><pre>...</pre></div>
  677. # [07:14] <jesup> And I think I tried it without the <pre>s
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  682. # [07:19] <@bz> mmm
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  684. # [07:21] <@bz> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/diff/f3cd319dd52d/content/base/src/nsGenericElement.cpp
  685. # [07:21] * @bz hates people using rebase. :(
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  688. # [07:23] <jesup> big change...
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  692. # [07:31] <@bz> jesup: bogus change
  693. # [07:31] <@bz> jesup: corrupt blame
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  701. # [07:42] <Mook> that sounds like a problem in the rebase implementation rather than something intrinsically wrong with the idea, at least?
  702. # [07:42] <JonathanS> C++ in Clang is now fully operational compilers
  703. # [07:43] <JonathanS> c++11
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  709. # [08:00] <@bz> Mook: well, sure
  710. # [08:00] <@bz> Mook: but the upshot is that people using rebase have corrupted a bunch of our blame due to this (known, fixed in newer hg versions) bug. :(
  711. # [08:00] * @bz is still sorta incredulous that the concept of unrecoverable blame corruption was somehow around
  712. # [08:01] <Mook> right, I'm not disagreeing that it's horrible, but that lets me blame the hg implementation more than the people who run into the bug
  713. # [08:01] <jesup> bz: I wish there was a way to (easily) get "previous blame for line"
  714. # [08:02] <Mook> I mean, it's a version control system... that's kinda the thing it *must* get right :(
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  1188. # [10:11] <Yoric> hi
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  1193. # [10:24] <Yoric> I have ###!!! ASSERTION: Non-empty event queue being destroyed; events being leaked.: 'IsEmpty()'
  1194. # [10:25] <Yoric> Is there a quick way to find out which thread is concerned?
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  1196. # [10:27] <Yoric> Mmmhh....
  1197. # [10:27] <Yoric> That stack trace is suspicious.
  1198. # [10:27] <Yoric> JS GC causing a thread to be deallocated?
  1199. # [10:27] <Yoric> Ah, that might be possible.
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  1262. # [12:16] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/eace0bc312cb - Tetsuharu OHZEKI - Bug 863285 - Cache the result of Ci.nsIMemory.isLowMemoryPlatform(). r=Kartikaya
  1263. # [12:16] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/0a4c864fb3d2 - ffxbld - No bug, Automated blocklist update from host bld-linux64-ec2-725 - a=blocklist-update
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  1314. # [13:27] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/5f3d642ca201 - Cameron McCormack - No bug - Minor comment tweak. (DONTBUILD)
  1315. # [13:27] <heycam> billm++ for disabling safe mode on debug builds, that's annoyed me a few times
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  1372. # [15:02] <kanha> Hi, I have created a Page on Mozillawiki month ago but I didn't remember the exact url of that page. How can I find that page?
  1373. # [15:02] <kanha> ah, got it :)
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  1772. # [16:11] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/245d846cba1e - Benoit Jacob - Bug 863397 - Trim ImageLayerOGL from B2G paths (it's no longer used on B2G) - r=Bas
  1773. # [16:11] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/9c1d801e7c41 - Benoit Jacob - Bug 863397 - Remove all the eglLockSurface-using code; leave the GL symbols in - r=jgilbert
  1774. # [16:11] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/9ce0470ce50b - Benoit Jacob - Bug 863397 - kill BindExternalBuffer and UnbindExternalBuffer with FIRE - r=jgilbert
  1775. # [16:11] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/c7242b94653d - Benoit Jacob - Bug 863397 - remove more dead B2G paths, mostly in TextureImage - r=nical
  1776. # [16:11] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/94cbf81e8fff - Benoit Jacob - Bug 863397 - remove a couple more unused static functions - r=nical
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  1817. # [17:05] <Carnation> or Kris Maglione?
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  1819. # [17:07] <KaiRo> Carnation: probably not at work on a weekend - what are you looking for?
  1820. # [17:08] <Carnation> Regarding gsoc. They are mentors to a project. I know i am far too late, but wanted to contact now
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  1825. # [17:15] <viktorija> lsblakk: Hi I would like to apply for OPW and to contribute to the Bug Wrangler, can you please help me how to get start with it?thank you
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  1860. # [18:01] <ekr> Confirming question: nsIObserver is browser global. I.e., if I do Services.obs.addObserver() in a JSM invoked from origin A and then .notifyObservers() from origin B, that works, right?
  1861. # [18:02] <ekr> (Preemptive note: this isn't something I want to do… I'm looking at some code and trying to make sure I understand it)
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  1866. # [18:07] <mbrubeck> ekr: Yes, that's correct.
  1867. # [18:07] <ekr> mrubeck: thanks!
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  1876. # [18:15] <mkohler> jviereck: in case somebody asks, I uploaded a patch today: bug 795588
  1877. # [18:16] <jviereck> mkohler: +1!
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  1890. # [18:31] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/797eeb4f147a - Bobby Holley - Back out bug 863646 for make check orange (TestStartupCache).
  1891. # [18:31] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/c9143c77058c - Ehsan Akhgari - Merge mozilla-central into mozilla-inbound
  1892. # [18:31] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/dd03d42b01b1 - Bobby Holley - Back out bug 860438 nsWindowWatcher patch for ProfileManager crashes.
  1893. # [18:31] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/4420f27742c7 - ffxbld - No bug, Automated blocklist update from host bld-linux64-ix-016 - a=blocklist-update
  1894. # [18:31] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/c74f44828165 - Bobby Holley - Bug 863646 - Force layout initialization in XPCOM initialization. r=bsmedberg
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  1916. # [18:48] <ttaubert> mkohler: good find. I'll take a closer look at it later!
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  1954. # [19:20] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/4d3894186e6e - Peter Van der Beken - Bug 852094 - Support Unforgeable on proxy-based DOM bindings. r=bz.
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  1956. # [19:20] <xsun> Hi there, can someone explain why there is image encoders on firefox source code? I mean, since firefox just render the images, we just need image decoders... is that right?
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  1958. # [19:25] <ttaubert> xsun: well, there's also stuff like canvas.toDataURL() or canvas.toBlob() that definitely need encoders. I'm sure there are other internal use cases but the canvas ones are required by web standards
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  1960. # [19:26] <ekr> anyone know offhand the right make command to rebuild just .jsm files?
  1961. # [19:26] <ekr> I.e., make -C <objdir>/foo/bar doesn't work where the .jsm is in foo/bar
  1962. # [19:27] <xsun> ttaubert: Hmmm, I got it. Thanks very much!
  1963. # [19:27] <ttaubert> xsun: sure :)
  1964. # [19:28] <ttaubert> ekr: which directory is the jsm in?
  1965. # [19:28] <ekr> browser/modules
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  1967. # [19:28] <ttaubert> ekr: try "./mach build browser/"
  1968. # [19:28] <ekr> ttaubert: thanks
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  1978. # [19:38] <ekr> ttaubert: success
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  1986. # [19:51] <xsun> The constant NS_JPEGENCODER_CID is the container identification for jpg?
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  1994. # [20:01] <ekr> ttaubert: ok, now it's not picking up my changes to the file, even when I do 'make -f client.mk'. The files in the objdir look to have been changed.
  1995. # [20:01] <ekr> any thoughts about where I should be looking?
  1996. # [20:02] <ekr> ttaubert: oh, never mind. I'm a moron
  1997. # [20:02] <ekr> mozconfig was shoving things in the wrong directory
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  2088. # [21:16] <glosoli> Hmm I don't understand JetPack, is any JetPack add-on in current Firefox add-on site
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  2090. # [21:17] <@smaug> glosoli: for example https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/memchaser/?src=ss
  2091. # [21:17] * @smaug doesn't know what is the right term these days, jetpack or addon sdk
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  2094. # [21:18] <glosoli> smaug: well ,most definitely not all the addons are jetpack, or I am completely wrong
  2095. # [21:18] <glosoli> ?
  2096. # [21:18] <@smaug> #jetpack channel would be better place to ask anyway
  2097. # [21:18] <@smaug> glosoli: true, addons don't have to use jetpack/addon sdk
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  2100. # [21:18] <glosoli> smaug: Nah, you answered enough for me, to be honest' that's all I wanted for the moment :)
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  2123. # [21:41] <we11ington> Has anyone used MozRegression? I can't get it to use the --profile option correctly
  2124. # [21:41] <we11ington> I tried both the full path of the profile and also the profile name
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  2127. # [21:45] <we11ington> Moreover it's throwing an error every time because it can't clean up the old build, if I understand the error correctly
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  2129. # [21:46] <KWierso|Home> glosoli, smaug: jetpack questions? :)
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  2131. # [21:47] <glosoli> KWierso|Home: Yeah, I was curious if there is some way to find out if add-on is written using jetpack sdk
  2132. # [21:49] <KWierso|Home> glosoli: a good hint is the existence of a harness-options.json file in the root of the xpi file
  2133. # [21:50] <glosoli> as I read about Mozilla thinking to change it's technology used for processes and memory stuff, I also seen in the article something about add-on sdk and that it would make bad things for the older sdk addons
  2134. # [21:50] <glosoli> or am I wrong KWierso|Home
  2135. # [21:50] <glosoli> ?
  2136. # [21:51] <KWierso|Home> the stuff I read said that if you want to be more easily compatible with the upcoming platform changes, you should use the SDK to build your addon
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  2138. # [21:52] <glosoli> KWierso|Home: JetPack SDK you mean ?
  2139. # [21:52] <KWierso|Home> yeah
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  2141. # [21:52] <glosoli> Ok, curiosity solved
  2142. # [21:52] <KWierso|Home> so, the project name is "Jetpack", but the product we make is the "Add-on SDK"
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  2144. # [21:54] <glosoli> well so any add-ons made previously, also had some SDK..
  2145. # [21:54] <glosoli> did not it ?
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  2148. # [21:55] <KWierso|Home> eh, not exactly
  2149. # [21:55] <glosoli> Enlighten me then :?
  2150. # [21:56] <KWierso|Home> traditional addons just overlay Firefox's interface with their own files, there wasn't really much of an SDK to do it. These addons require a restart of Firefox to apply their changes.
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  2152. # [21:57] <glosoli> hmm interesting, so likely any add-on that does not use Add-on SDK is just a hack
  2153. # [21:57] <KWierso|Home> There's a middle-ground of addons that don't require a restart, but are also not using the Add-on SDK APIs. A bootstrap.js file is loaded that can call functions to do things, and I don't think they do the overlay thing.
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  2155. # [21:58] <KaiRo> the add-ons sdk (codenamed "jetpack") adds another layer between the raw interfaces in Firefox and your add-on - you can build add-ons using the other interfaces directly (and you can do even more stuff with those) but you lose a lot of simplicity and convenience with it, including a lot of forward-compatibility
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  2157. # [21:58] <KWierso|Home> Then there's the addons built with the Add-on SDK APIs. They're also restartless, but the SDK comes with tools to test and package the addon.
  2158. # [21:59] <glosoli> Hmm, and add-ons are written in Pure JS, HTML, CSS and ?
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  2160. # [21:59] <KWierso|Home> glosoli: well, a "hack" that was the entire mozilla addons ecosystem up until sometime around 2010... :P
  2161. # [21:59] <KaiRo> i.e. if you don't use the add-ons sdk, you better know what you are doing and why, cause there be dragons
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  2164. # [22:03] <KWierso|Home> glosoli: the Add-on SDK team deals with compatibility changes inside the SDK itself so all addons need to do is update to the newer versions of the SDK to pick up the compatibility fixes; they don't have to reimplement the fixes for each addon
  2165. # [22:03] <glosoli> Hmm well that makes a lot of sense
  2166. # [22:03] <KWierso|Home> and now that the SDK ships in Firefox (or will in a few weeks!!!), hopefully addon developers won't even need to notice it anymore, since the compatibility with a given version of Firefox comes from code that ships with that version of Firefox
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  2168. # [22:05] <glosoli> Hmm, so wait if SDK is not inside the current Firefox
  2169. # [22:05] <glosoli> how does it function
  2170. # [22:05] <glosoli> ?
  2171. # [22:05] <KaiRo> you package the SDK with your add-on
  2172. # [22:05] <KWierso|Home> you pack up the SDK code within your addon's xpi file, currently
  2173. # [22:05] <glosoli> hmm, how much space does SDK take up ?
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  2175. # [22:05] <KWierso|Home> a bunch, but less than it did a year or so back
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  2177. # [22:06] <KaiRo> KWierso|Home: I can't let it stand that before 2010 add-ons were a hack, Firefox never had the real hackish add-on system, as that was what the suite (or "old xpfe") had up to SeaMonkey 1.1, where add-ons were basically just a by-product of how the UI was built
  2178. # [22:07] <KWierso|Home> KaiRo: noted.
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  2180. # [22:08] <glosoli> Well
  2181. # [22:08] <glosoli> I am not sure how else
  2182. # [22:08] <glosoli> I could call a thing, that modifies something :)
  2183. # [22:08] * KWierso|Home had hoped the scare quotes around "hack" were sufficient for conveying not being entirely serious
  2184. # [22:08] <glosoli> No offence, but I could not find any better word than hack for it
  2185. # [22:09] * KaiRo thinks it's fun that the whole add-ons ecosystem of today actually only came into place as an accidental by-product of creating a XUL UI
  2186. # [22:09] <glosoli> so XUL is also maintained by Mozilla
  2187. # [22:09] <glosoli> ?
  2188. # [22:09] <glosoli> Ah, I should have asked after Googling lol..
  2189. # [22:10] <KWierso|Home> XUL is Firefox's interface
  2190. # [22:10] <KWierso|Home> (though no longer the case for the android version of the browser, and I think also not the case for Firefox for Metro)
  2191. # [22:10] <KaiRo> glosoli: XUL was created because HTML wasn't ready to create nice UIs back in 1999, but the Netscape engineers figured that "something quite similar" could be used to create to cross-platform UI they wanted
  2192. # [22:11] <glosoli> I was more curious, if I can use XUL to provide user interface for the other apps that are not web related
  2193. # [22:11] <glosoli> :?
  2194. # [22:11] <KaiRo> sure
  2195. # [22:11] <glosoli> For example, I can possible make Python app and use XUL as a front-end for it
  2196. # [22:11] <glosoli> ?
  2197. # [22:11] <glosoli> s/possible/possibly
  2198. # [22:12] <KaiRo> just like you can to Firefox OS apps that aren't web-related per se, but are written in HTML
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  2200. # [22:13] <glosoli> Hmm interesting
  2201. # [22:14] <KaiRo> glosoli: well, if you look at Activestate Komodo, that's a programming IDE written in XUL and with some python stuff
  2202. # [22:14] <glosoli> KaiRo: yeah, in fact I used it like year ago, looked quite good and was responding poperly
  2203. # [22:15] <glosoli> Just at that time I did not known that it used XUL for a front-end, cool
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  2205. # [22:15] * Callek highly recommends Komodo-[Edit|IDE] fwiw
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  2208. # [22:16] <Callek> glosoli: Komodo for example has custom tie-in stuff with Gecko to support python as a driver for a lot of things, its not in Firefox/Gecko itself though, and is part of the activestate stack
  2209. # [22:16] <glosoli> Hmm, but Gecko in near future will be replaced with something written in Rust if I recall correctly ?
  2210. # [22:17] <Ms2ger> If by "near future" you mean in a decade or so
  2211. # [22:17] <Ms2ger> Also, only parts will end up in rust
  2212. # [22:17] <glosoli> Yeah ;d 10 years is little gap from my point of view
  2213. # [22:17] <KaiRo> glosoli: nowadays, it's probably a better idea to right to HTML with app development where possible, esp. with the APIs we're creating with Firefox OS and similar things, but in the last decade, XUL was quite advaced in the direction of cross-platform UI design
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  2215. # [22:18] <KaiRo> glosoli: Servo is only a research project so far, there are no real plans to replace Gecko for quite a while
  2216. # [22:18] <mkohler> ttaubert: is bug 717044 still wanted? would try to create a patch now :)
  2217. # [22:19] <glosoli> KaiRo: well Research projects usually end up as something used widely if the result was the one that was anticipated
  2218. # [22:19] <ttaubert> mkohler: not sure if we want to spend time on that. about:newtab might actually contain form data for example in the future
  2219. # [22:22] <glosoli> KaiRo: ah just to mention, would you consider Oracles approach of JavaFX following Mozillas XUL ?
  2220. # [22:23] <mkohler> ttaubert: or what about 809037?
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  2227. # [22:36] <KaiRo> glosoli: sorry, I know too little about what Oracle does
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  2229. # [22:36] <glosoli> KaiRo: Ah ok :) just felt like their introduced some sort of similar technology
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  2235. # [22:39] <KaiRo> glosoli: easily possible, a number of efforts to go in that direction were made in various places over the years, but it looks like the large trend is now going to the target that some Netscape engineers dreamed of when inventing XUL: app(lication)s being actually written in HTML right away
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  2237. # [22:39] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/da58003e7959 - Masatoshi Kimura - Bug 859020 - Remove the MSVC exemption for FAIL_ON_WARNINGS in dom. r=bz
  2238. # [22:39] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/b8c53988e541 - Masatoshi Kimura - Bug 859023 - Remove the MSVC exemption for FAIL_ON_WARNINGS in content/mathml/content/src. r=karlt
  2239. # [22:40] <glosoli> KaiRo: hmmm, so basically any knowledge I already got on XML or HTML may easily be applied while writing apps in XUL ?
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  2241. # [22:41] <mkohler> mkohler: or do you have another bug I could work on?
  2242. # [22:41] <KaiRo> glosoli: yes, XUL is just an XML variant, and uses JS and CSS, it just has specialized tags for UI elements, and we have some additions to what you can access from JS
  2243. # [22:42] <glosoli> KaiRo: hmm, does it support RequireJS ?
  2244. # [22:42] <glosoli> probably a stupid question
  2245. # [22:42] <glosoli> But afaik RequireJS is for Node.js not sure if it can work outside it :?
  2246. # [22:43] <KaiRo> glosoli: I haven't seen RequireJS in XUL, but then I'm pretty bad with JS libaries and such stuff
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  2249. # [22:43] <glosoli> so am I ;d
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