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5. # [00:03] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/e5460d440665 - Daniel Holbert - (no bug, comment-only) s/:before/::before/ in one comment, for consistency with rest of the comment. DONTBUILD
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13. # [00:05] <jorendorff> Is there a way on the web to fetch a URL and get back *both* data *and* the actual URL of the resource (after all redirects)?
14. # [00:05] <jorendorff> XHR doesn't seem to expose the actual url...
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16. # [00:07] <fbender> jorendorff: I guess not. may be possible if one could tell XHR to not follow redirects … but what's your use case?
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20. # [00:07] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/42f4d65e3bf0 - Brian Nicholson - Bug 865005 - Part 2: Use SessionRestoreException to avoid swallowing unrelated exceptions. r=mfinkle
21. # [00:07] <jorendorff> fbender: It has to do with ECMAScript module loaders.
22. # [00:07] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/d3700ac5488a - Brian Nicholson - Bug 865005 - Part 1: Refactor initialization and create loadStartupTab() for initial tab. r=mfinkle
23. # [00:07] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/5a78a455ebf8 - Brian Nicholson - Bug 865005 - Part 4: Merge multiple session strings before restoring. r=mfinkle
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25. # [00:07] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/52406c8a57bc - Brian Nicholson - Bug 865005 - Part 3: Move session restore code into restoreSessionTabs(). r=mfinkle
26. # [00:08] <jorendorff> fbender: imagine one file does import "url(foo.js)", and inside that script it does import "url(bar.js)"
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28. # [00:08] <philor> so, who wants to back out https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/4d9806fa8737?
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30. # [00:08] <jorendorff> fbender: I think if there was a redirect you'd want to resolve bar.js relative to the *actual* location of foo, after redirects ...right?
31. # [00:08] <jorendorff> (ignore the surface syntax of those import statements, because it may change)
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34. # [00:10] <fbender> jorendorff: where exactly does the redirect happen, in foo or bar?
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37. # [00:10] <jld> Awesome. It's miscompiled if -fno-omit-frame-pointer is used, with unmodified Android toolchain.
38. # [00:10] <jorendorff> fbender: while fetching foo
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41. # [00:11] <fbender> ah hum … aren't ES module paths always absolute?
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45. # [00:15] <mcsmurf> jld: oh heh
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50. # [00:16] <jld> -fno-omit-frame-pointer, as it's interpreted for this ABI, is pretty much completely pointless -- but MOZ_PROFILING enables it.
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54. # [00:17] <tbsaunde> philor: for what?
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61. # [00:18] <jorendorff> fbender: URLs can be relative or absolute
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64. # [00:18] <philor> tbsaunde: "for breaking most of Talos" :)
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67. # [00:19] <philor> ", on a CLOSED TREE"
68. # [00:20] <fbender> jorendorff: are you trying to shim the ES6 module spec? because if not, the engine should always and automatically resolve bar.js relative to the including file (foo.js), and you should not need to deal with it …
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70. # [00:20] <jorendorff> fbender: i'm trying to implement that behavior, yes
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72. # [00:21] <jorendorff> "shim" implies that my implementation won't actually ship... which... i dunno
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74. # [00:22] <fbender> jorendorff: by shim I mean a lib that creates features a browser does not ship. so you are implementing the ES6 module spec in Fx right now?
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76. # [00:24] <fbender> (the shim lib is loaded by content and emulates a feature; it needs to rely on public JS/DOM APIs as it is just another JS script; whereas when you implement this feature into Fx, I don't see why you need a _web_ function )
77. # [00:24] <jorendorff> fbender: let's say shim
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79. # [00:25] <fbender> jorendorff: ok so if you import foo, which imports bar, the importing bar happens under the foo scope or the global scope?
80. # [00:25] <fbender> s/scope/context
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86. # [00:27] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/2d47bbb35842 - Trevor Saunders - backout 4d9806fa8737 for busting talos on a CLOSED TREE
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93. # [00:31] <philor> \o/
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101. # [00:35] <fitzgen> ejpbruel: dude!
102. # [00:35] <fitzgen> bug 637572
103. # [00:36] <fitzgen> you are my hero <3
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105. # [00:36] <ejpbruel> fitzgen: making great progress, too :)
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107. # [00:37] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/630a7d5a7ceb - Rodrigo Silveira - Bug 860899 - Fixup metro mochitests r=jimm
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113. # [00:40] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/8fbd99874bad - Gregory Szorc - Bug 863069 - Part 5: Require sorted lists in moz.build files; r=ted
114. # [00:40] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/da470133a9ba - Gregory Szorc - Bug 863069 - Part 4: Reorder lists to be alphabetical; r=ted
115. # [00:42] <jst> cviecco_: ping
116. # [00:42] <cviecco_> jst: pong
117. # [00:43] <jst> cviecco_: wondering if you'll be able to land https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=841569 on birch today?
118. # [00:44] <cviecco_> win32 is broken. Problem with large filenames.. I woud appreciate help on this one.
119. # [00:44] <cviecco_> jst: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=6549b397bd82
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123. # [00:46] <philor> mmm, wonder if Mercurial improved its handling of long filenames since v!.%.$
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127. # [00:47] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/efbb1fb5e563 - Myk Melez - bug 860043 - don't log by default; remove extraneous newlines; r=sicking
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132. # [00:49] <mbrubeck> glandium: So, we got number of constructors down to 161 at one point, now it's more than doubled again
133. # [00:49] <mbrubeck> I can track down the culprits if anyone cares...
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144. # [00:57] <Anarchy> If I insert blah.js into browser/defaults/preferences and have it bundled into the jar file shouldn't the prefs take hold in firefox?
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146. # [00:58] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/39b03fde453a - Bobby Holley - Bug 873253 Crash clicking on file input in XUL whitelisted site r=bz
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155. # [01:01] <philor> roc: ping
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157. # [01:01] <jst> cviecco_: say more
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160. # [01:03] <@roc> hi
161. # [01:03] <philor> roc: Windows on mozilla-beta seems unhappy with your patch
162. # [01:03] <@roc> which patch?
163. # [01:03] <mcsmurf> +++ b/security/manager/ssl/tests/unit/test_signed_apps/simple/a_very_long_filename_that_will_wrap_around_the_72_byte_file_name_limit_at_least_two_times_for_testing_wrapping_this_is_not_long_enough_but_this_the_filename_as_it_stands_now_probably_is.html
164. # [01:03] <mcsmurf> whoa...
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167. # [01:05] <philor> roc: https://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/e16d93efed19, https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=863224, https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Mozilla-Beta&rev=13b3cc44aaea
168. # [01:05] <mreavy> !seen ninjanoisy
169. # [01:05] <firebot> ninjanoisy was last seen 28 weeks, 3 hours, 45 minutes and 30 seconds ago, saying 'taking questions for cindy now' in #airmozilla.
170. # [01:05] <cviecco_> jst: new plan: land without patch on birch and do followup bug for test.
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172. # [01:05] <jst> cviecco_: ok, sounds good
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174. # [01:06] <philor> roc: RyanVM pushed it, so you might have gotten approval and not even seen it yet
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179. # [01:07] <@roc> we should probably just back it out of beta
180. # [01:07] <@roc> and not fix it there
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199. # [01:17] <froydnj> mbrubeck: guessing there's quite a few constructors from dom bindings, there's even a bug open for it
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202. # [01:18] <froydnj> mbrubeck: ionmonkey also has this header that causes static constructors in every file in which it's included =/
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218. # [01:28] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/ee77f9c5b8bd - Brian Nicholson - Bug 863803 - Part 2: Remove unneccesary call to hideAboutHome(). r=lucasr a=akeybl
219. # [01:28] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/49e34d4e8e8a - Brian Nicholson - Bug 838793 - Part 2: Move AboutHome update to foreground thread. r=lucasr a=akeybl
220. # [01:28] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/c89587a72be8 - Brian Nicholson - Bug 863803 - Part 1: Prevent multiple AboutHome fragments from being created after restore. r=lucasr a=akeybl
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222. # [01:29] <philor> here, let me close that for you
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316. # [02:29] <aja> anyone aware of bug # for m-c win64 build bustage?
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324. # [02:35] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/9eb574cd8faf - Ian Melven - Bug 763879 - implement inline stylesheet blocking for CSP (r=dbaron)
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337. # [02:41] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/6b181afc9fad - Ian Melven - Bug 842657 - Flip the pref to enable the CSP 1.0 parser for Firefox (r=jst)
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349. # [02:48] <shu> gps: ping
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351. # [02:49] <gaston> glandium: k, was just curious about the reasoning/discussion behind it (as of course as a distributor i have the same "problem")
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355. # [02:49] <firebot> Check-in:
356. # [02:49] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/9675dce26f53 - Tim Abraldes - bug 839342. Make metro widget listen for EdgeGestureStarted and EdgeGestureCanceled, in addition to EdgeGestureCompleted. Show the edge UI on EdgeGestureStarted and
357. # [02:49] <firebot> EdgeGestureCompleted, hide it on EdgeGestureCanceled. r=bbondy
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361. # [02:50] <gps> shu: pong
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372. # [02:54] <gps> shu: I will review that patch on a bug. there's no context in the patch and I think it is above the NO BUG threshold
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392. # [03:07] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/c3ffa85b028a - David Zbarsky - Fix b2g build, no bug
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412. # [03:24] <gps> inbound bustage!
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417. # [03:26] <gps> sweet - ordered moz.build files claimed their first victim!
418. # [03:26] <gps> looks like c3ffa85b028a fixes bustage not caught by the tree?
419. # [03:27] <@gavin> ordered moz.build files seems kind of dumb
420. # [03:27] <@gavin> why does it matter?
421. # [03:27] <gps> gavin: it helps readability
422. # [03:27] <philor> nooooo, I've been able to avoid reading the bug, but if it's in here while I have the tree closed I'll have to read it
423. # [03:27] <@gavin> ah, I love the readability arguments
424. # [03:27] * @gavin TROLL MODE ON
425. # [03:28] <gps> gavin: I'll let you and roc battle it out
426. # [03:28] <ekr_> Just out of curiosity ordered how?
427. # [03:28] <gps> list elements must be alphabetically ordered
428. # [03:28] <ekr_> And where can I learn about it?
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431. # [03:28] <gps> if you do it wrong it will tell you :)
432. # [03:28] <ekr_> I would be more excited about ordered include files in .cpp
433. # [03:29] <@gavin> gtg dinner time
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446. # [03:34] <@dolske> is the moz.build ordering locale-dependent? can I break it with carefully crafted entries? :D
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449. # [03:34] <gps> dolske: we checked that. it shouldn't be
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452. # [03:34] <@dolske> damnit.
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455. # [03:36] <@roc> gavin: Makefiles with filenames in random order are super ugly
456. # [03:37] <@roc> I would also be excited to have include files ordered in .cpp
457. # [03:37] <@roc> it's also annoying when you add a file to have to figure out if the previous maintainer had any kind of scheme, and if so, what it is
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460. # [03:40] <tbsaunde> roc: I'm curious why random order is ugly but that's probably not explainable
461. # [03:40] <@roc> I'm not sure
462. # [03:40] <ekr_> roc: my reason for order in he cpp files is it forces you to include what you use
463. # [03:41] <@roc> I think I instinctively look for some kind of pattern or reason behind the order, and fail to find it
464. # [03:41] <tbsaunde> roc: I agree that figuring out if there's a pattern is annoying but it seems that easier solved by giving up and using random order everywhere
465. # [03:41] <@roc> ekr_: I'm not sure how that helps?
466. # [03:41] <KaiRo> unfortunately there are entries that can't be randomly ordered, so not even alphabetically - because there are dependencies
467. # [03:41] <@roc> tbsaunde: that's a harder rule to enforce :-)
468. # [03:42] <@roc> ekr_: oh, you mean to keep header files from depending on the order in which they're included?
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474. # [03:43] <@dolske> I'm so lazy, I'm going to name my headers aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaheader.h so I don't have to scroll down in the file.
475. # [03:43] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/0052c752618e - Benjamin Peterson - Bug 873309 followup - Killed another unused function. r=me CLOSED TREE
476. # [03:43] <@dolske> sorry
477. # [03:44] <@dolske> AAAAAAAAAAAAheader.h
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479. # [03:44] <benjamin> '\001\001\001\001.h'
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481. # [03:45] <@dolske> \007, you say...
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483. # [03:45] <@dolske> (beep)
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485. # [03:45] <benjamin> the compiler could beep everytime you included that
486. # [03:45] * @dolske wonders how poorly \0 would fare.
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491. # [03:47] <cviecco_> what is birch's push url?
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494. # [03:48] <gaston> projects/birch/ iirc
495. # [03:48] <cviecco_> thanks
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498. # [03:49] <gaston> yeah that's it
499. # [03:49] <ekr_> roc: Yeah. That's the way google does it
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512. # [03:59] <ekr_> Kairo: the point is to make it so the header files don't work that way
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528. # [04:14] <gps> I reckon 4d8e2a106e82 should be backed out
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531. # [04:15] <benjamin> fixed now I think
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568. # [04:41] <benjamin> okay, open her up
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577. # [04:50] <benjamin> or how does one access treestatus?
578. # [04:50] <@roc> ekr: it would still be easy to have an accidental dependency of one .h file on another that happens to be earlier in alphabetical order. When include file order is random it's more likely that *some* translation unit will catch the problem. Maybe.
579. # [04:50] <philor> benjamin: already opened, thanks for fixing it up
580. # [04:51] <ekr> roc: sure, that can happen
581. # [04:51] <ekr> But as you know, people don't actually make it random
582. # [04:51] <ekr> Also, I think Google's toolchain does try to test for this.
583. # [04:51] <@roc> I'm just so lazy I don't want to have to think about where the best place would be to stuff an #include
584. # [04:52] <heycam> what's worse is when the #includes are split up into sections split up by blank lines
585. # [04:52] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/425ef8c24650 - Christian Sonne - Bug 857236 - followup fixing erroneous getBoolPref() call r=gavin
586. # [04:52] <@roc> oh yeah
587. # [04:52] <benjamin> is it possible to star multiple pushes in one comment btw?
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590. # [04:53] <philor> benjamin: multiple ways, the best is n and p to go to the next and previous failure, plus the spacebar to select them as you n through them
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592. # [04:54] <ekr> heycam: actually, I prefer that... Specifically, to break them up by like stdlib, stl, project, and then class
593. # [04:54] <benjamin> is this stuff documented
594. # [04:54] * benjamin feels like he's missing magically productivety features
595. # [04:54] <philor> you can also click one, ctrl/cmd+click the rest, but that's too clicky
596. # [04:55] <philor> or you can drag more to the top of the comment box, but that loses its charm quickly
597. # [04:55] <benjamin> ha
598. # [04:55] <philor> whoa, it is documented! help menu at the upper left, Keyboard/Mouse
599. # [04:56] <heycam> ekr: maybe. looking at https://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/file/tip/layout/base/nsPresShell.cpp and trying to work out why things are grouped as they are… well...
600. # [04:56] <ekr> heycam: oh, I totally agree. What's needed here is a standard.
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602. # [04:57] <ekr> for example: http://google-styleguide.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/cppguide.xml#Names_and_Order_of_Includes
603. # [04:57] <ekr> roc: it's putting your own .h first that really tends to encourage good behavior
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608. # [04:59] <@roc> sure. We actually are supposed to do that.
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610. # [04:59] <@roc> what's really needed is a standard that's machine-checkable, and to actually check it.
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612. # [05:00] <ekr> roc: for instance.... http://google-styleguide.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/cpplint/cpplint.py
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614. # [05:02] <ekr> but yeah, as you say, there's supposed to and do. It would definitely help me, at least, to have tools
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616. # [05:04] <@roc> mmm, regexps
617. # [05:04] <ekr> as they say, now you have two problems
618. # [05:04] <@bz_away> Don't forget /x
619. # [05:04] <@bz_away> But without that, I agree
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623. # [05:06] <philor> oh, look, bustage landed on bustage
624. # [05:06] * philor tries to remember how to make that surprised face
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626. # [05:07] <philor> TimAbraldes: you're going down!
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631. # [05:08] <@roc> I tried to persuade the Rust people to make every checkable style rule baked into the syntax of the language. That was considered too radical.
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634. # [05:09] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/7242ebeaad61 - Phil Ringnalda - Back out 9675dce26f53 (bug 839342) for browser-chrome bustage
635. # [05:10] <@bz_away> roc: heh
636. # [05:10] <Jesse> what do you mean by "every checkable style rule"? there are lots of those, some contradictory and many dumb
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638. # [05:10] <@roc> I mean, "produce a style guide, and then bake its recommendations into the language as far as is practical".
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640. # [05:10] <@bz_away> no more whitespace arguments
641. # [05:10] <@bz_away> or bracing arguments
642. # [05:11] <@bz_away> or commenting arguments
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645. # [05:11] <dougt> we need `mach fmt`
646. # [05:11] <@roc> no more "I imported this code into my project and it looks terribly out of place"
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648. # [05:11] <dougt> (like go fmt)
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651. # [05:13] <gps> dougt: there was talk of adopting clang's formatting tool for usage at Mozilla
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655. # [05:14] <@roc> that would be great
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657. # [05:14] <@roc> well
658. # [05:14] <@roc> it *could* be great
659. # [05:14] <dougt> roc: it would end any debate about formatting, whitespace, braces.
660. # [05:15] <dougt> we argue once, then never have to think about it again.
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663. # [05:15] <dougt> it probably could do more than just fmt
664. # [05:15] <dougt> http://beaufour.dk/jst-review/
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666. # [05:16] <gps> why aren't these tools in the tree and easily accessible to all?
667. # [05:16] <gps> a tool is nothing unless everyone knows about it
668. # [05:16] <@dolske> naw, we'd just argue more about adding additional checks. :P
669. # [05:16] <dougt> gps: true
670. # [05:16] <dougt> dolske: nope… we'd say "patches accepted"
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672. # [05:18] <@dolske> but seriously, I think it would be helpful to have a tool to enforce at least certain widely-accepted practices, mostly so that new contributors have a better idea of what to do (and don't have to discover nits from their reviewer after the work is done)
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674. # [05:19] <@dolske> also a pony
675. # [05:19] <ekr> dolske: I did find that useful when contributing to Google projects
676. # [05:19] <tbsaunde> gps: so hardware engineering mode where you keep your toolchian and everything else in the world in the tree?:p
677. # [05:20] <gps> tbsaunde: I don't care where it lives as long as you can go from 0 to "decent and productive development environment" with minimal effort
678. # [05:21] <gps> it bothers me people have written awesome tools used by just a handful of people
679. # [05:21] <tbsaunde> gps: sure, but I think there is some amount of harm in throwing everything in one repo
680. # [05:21] <gps> think of what would happen if everybody had the same access to good tools
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684. # [05:22] <tbsaunde> gps: I'm not convinced its that bad, there's google and package managers etc, people seem to find good text editors on there own just fine
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686. # [05:23] <gps> i'm not talking about text editors. I'm talking about tools to streamline all the other stuff you do
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688. # [05:24] <gps> create bugs, upload patches for review, conduct review, land patches, format code consistently, ...
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692. # [05:27] <tbsaunde> gps: honestly if you need a tool to file a bug I'd tend to suspect the real problem is bugzilla
693. # [05:27] <gps> well, there is that
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695. # [05:28] <ekr> tbsaunde: As long as you're talking about bugs and not upload patches
696. # [05:29] <gps> if you aren't using https://hg.mozilla.org/users/tmielczarek_mozilla.com/bzexport to upload patches to bugzilla, you are likely wasting hours every year
697. # [05:29] * @roc raises hand
698. # [05:29] <tbsaunde> gps: sure, that's sometimes true
699. # [05:30] <gps> while that extension kicks ass, there's so much more it can do
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701. # [05:30] <tbsaunde> gps: on the other hand my desktop doesn't have my bugzilla creds or a web browser so I sometimes scp patch from it to my local machine at which point bugzilla is faster than git-bz
702. # [05:31] <gps> would it be nice if you could just push a Mercurial bookmark or Git branch to a "bugzilla repo" and it would automatically show up as a review?
703. # [05:31] <tbsaunde> gps: on the other hand maybe in an ideal world that extension shouldn't exist and bugzilla should just have a command line client
704. # [05:31] <tbsaunde> gps: that would be fine too
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706. # [05:32] <tbsaunde> though I suspect that a command line client would be more flexible and about as easy to use
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710. # [05:34] <ekr> gps: agreed.
711. # [05:34] <ekr> while we are on the topic, splinter could be a lot better
712. # [05:35] <gps> https://wiki.mozilla.org/BMO/Splinter
713. # [05:35] <ekr> or we could use rietveld
714. # [05:36] <ekr> webkit's system doesn't do interdiffs, which is problematic
715. # [05:36] <gps> or we could use reviewboard
716. # [05:36] <gps> or we could use phabricator
717. # [05:36] <ekr> yep.
718. # [05:37] * tbsaunde is generally happy reading diffs
719. # [05:37] <gps> apparently it would be difficult to integrate something <not bugzilla> to use bugzilla's authorization system
720. # [05:37] <gps> once you use a modern review tool you can't really go back
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722. # [05:37] <tbsaunde> that said I'd like it if we did the patches go to ml thing instead of bugzilla
723. # [05:38] <ekr> ml?
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726. # [05:39] <@roc> I presume like lkml
727. # [05:40] <tbsaunde> msqrdstr: I think those doctors are generally more specialized?yeah, lkml style
728. # [05:40] <ekr> Tell me that the ml doesn't mean mailing lis there
729. # [05:40] <tbsaunde> err skip the first part
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731. # [05:40] <@roc> Bugzilla already supports Persona, we could get entirely away from Bugzilla-specific auth
732. # [05:40] <tbsaunde> ekr: it does mean mailing list
733. # [05:41] <ekr> tbsaunde: hmm.... I don't think that would be that much fun
734. # [05:41] <ekr> at least not for me
735. # [05:42] <gps> I thought you couldn't use Persona for viewing security bugs (or something like that)
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748. # [05:53] <TimAbraldes> philor: sorry :(
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750. # [05:54] <philor> TimAbraldes: no worries, I always like it when it's clear enough what happened that *I* can tell
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753. # [05:55] <@roc> gps: that's supposed to be fixed soon
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763. # [06:04] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/3a447f55a848 - Alexander Surkov - Bug 872964 - wrong result for getTextBeforeOffset for start word boundary at text length offset, r=tbsaunde
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770. # [06:11] <TimAbraldes> philor: I got that test working locally. Think that's good enough or should I be extra-sure with a try run?
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772. # [06:11] <tbsaunde> it sort of amuses me how parts of xpconnect try really hard to be fast and other parts are piles of unnecessary xpcom
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775. # [06:12] <philor> TimAbraldes: live dangerously!
776. # [06:12] * TimAbraldes pours vodka on keyboard and lights it on fire
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785. # [06:22] <firebot> Check-in:
786. # [06:22] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/5a7a5d48931d - Tim Abraldes - bug 839342. Make metro widget listen for EdgeGestureStarted and EdgeGestureCanceled, in addition to EdgeGestureCompleted. Show the edge UI on EdgeGestureStarted and
787. # [06:22] <firebot> EdgeGestureCompleted, hide it on EdgeGestureCanceled. This time without bustage! r=bbondy
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804. # [06:34] <RattyAway> ted: I thought I had it fixed but my problem came back after I rebooted http://pastebin.mozilla.org/2411861 This is using VS2010 with Win8 SDK installed
805. # [06:35] <RattyAway> looks like mozilla-build is picking up both the 7.0A SDK that comes with VS2010 and the 8.0 SDK
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837. # [07:05] <tbsaunde> also it would be kind of nice if we could use nsCStrings for WebIDL bindings when it would be easier
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853. # [07:21] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/f92daaee04ec - Benjamin Peterson - No bug - Fix indentation. r=trivial DONTBUILD
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873. # [07:46] <kentuckyfriedtakahe> Is Android 2.2 NoIon opt something brand new?
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886. # [08:04] <mbrubeck> kentuckyfriedtakahe: No, it's been around for a while; I believe at the request of the B2G developers because it is a test configuration that is close to B2G
887. # [08:05] <mbrubeck> welcome back, by the way
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893. # [08:06] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/693f3c772c0e - Alexander Surkov - Bug 873322 - need handy function for easy getText... testing, r=tbsaunde
894. # [08:06] <mbrubeck> original noion announcement: https://groups.google.com/d/topic/mozilla.dev.tree-management/ceYSI-rTKQk/discussion
895. # [08:07] <mbrubeck> it was disabled shortly after that but re-enabled just a week later in https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=793994
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909. # [08:24] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/b05f7ab3c76a - Frank Yan - Bug 861465 - Hide overlay buttons when showing app bars or in fullscreen mode. r=mbrubeck
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917. # [08:32] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/8d46dcc704d7 - Mike Hommey - Bug 859966 - Switch linux builds to gcc 4.7.2. r=gps
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937. # [08:46] <glazou> bonjour
938. # [08:46] <jlebar> Huge bucket of karma to hja.
939. # [08:46] <@bz> jlebar: ?
940. # [08:46] <jlebar> That sort of thing makes me proud to be a Mozillian.
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942. # [08:47] <@bz> jlebar: oh, the censorship thread?
943. # [08:47] <jlebar> bz: They're taking down the Iranian thing, yeah.
944. # [08:47] <@dolske> we have the best lawyers money can't buy.
945. # [08:47] <@bz> yeah, indeed
946. # [08:47] <@bz> dolske: ;)
947. # [08:47] * @dolske has been sitting on that one for a bit. :)
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950. # [08:49] <Ms2ger> Mm?
951. # [08:49] <reuben> what thread?
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953. # [08:52] <@roc> wow
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955. # [08:52] <efaust> where is this?
956. # [08:52] <@roc> when I try to download IE10 in IE9, things go wrong and I get a "thanks for trying IE10" page as if I'm already using it
957. # [08:52] <@roc> it's like they only expect people to be using Firefox and Chrome
958. # [08:53] <efaust> haha
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960. # [08:54] <@roc> oh wait. The joke's on me. This IS IE10
961. # [08:54] <@roc> MS updated me
962. # [08:54] <jlebar> lol
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964. # [08:55] <@bz> efaust: the iran thing?
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967. # [08:56] <@bz> efaust: https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/mozilla.governance/95cqn2nOFSw and specifically https://groups.google.com/d/msg/mozilla.governance/95cqn2nOFSw/NFxw4G-3NnwJ
968. # [08:56] * @bz updates docs and heads to bed
969. # [08:57] <efaust> bz: thanks!
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972. # [08:57] <@bz> efaust: no problem
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974. # [09:00] <@roc> Harvey also gave an inspirational speech at LEAD last week
975. # [09:00] <@roc> about something completely different
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977. # [09:01] <@roc> along the lines of "if the best use of our money for Mozilla's mission was to do something completely different so we all lose our jobs, that's what we should do"
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979. # [09:03] <glandium> jlebar: awesome mail indeed
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984. # [09:05] <reuben> nice
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1024. # [09:51] <firebot> Check-in:
1025. # [09:52] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/571f038800a4 - Mark Banner - Bug 872323 Ensure places is enabled in social tests now that they rely on places, so that apps which disable places by default have their tests passing. r=mixedpuppy
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1028. # [09:52] <glandium> kaie: ping
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1033. # [09:58] <firebot> Check-in:
1034. # [09:59] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/ab40846d1446 - Victor Porof - Bug 872864 - Intermittent browser_net_simple-request-data.js | The requestHeaders attachment has an incorrect |headers| property. - Got 6, expected 7 |
1035. # [09:59] <firebot> browser_net_simple-request-details.js | There should be 13 header values displayed in this tabpanel. etc, r=rcampbell
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1052. # [10:15] <Optimize1> I have seen this somewhere, but not recollecting now ..
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1054. # [10:15] <Optimize1> is there a way to do something like [for a of b] to populate an array ?
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1060. # [10:23] <atuljangra> Is http://www.whatcanidoformozilla.com down?
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1063. # [10:24] <glazou> atuljangra: http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/www.whatcanidoformozilla.com
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1066. # [10:25] <Optimize1> how to check if http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com is down ?
1067. # [10:26] <Optimize1> http://www.downforeveryoneorjustmedownforeveryoneorjustme.com ?
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1069. # [10:27] <atuljangra> Optimize1: haha
1070. # [10:27] <atuljangra> glazou: I was looking for something, but well the site is down :(
1071. # [10:28] <Optimize1> the question is not what can i do for mozilla
1072. # [10:28] <Optimize1> but rather "What can you do for mozilla"
1073. # [10:28] * atuljangra that was so deep I can't even see you :P
1074. # [10:28] <Optimize1> so . What can yo do for mozilla ?
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1076. # [10:29] <atuljangra> Currently I'm to find something really interesting to work upon during my summers.
1077. # [10:30] <Optimize1> gsoc?
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1079. # [10:31] <atuljangra> nope,
1080. # [10:31] <atuljangra> volunteer work
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1087. # [10:36] <atuljangra> where does pref team hang out?
1088. # [10:37] <Fallen> Optimize1: if you enter www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com on their site when its up, you get a nice message :)
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1092. # [10:41] <NeilAway> Optimize1: [a for (a of b)] ?
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1094. # [10:43] <NeilAway> Fallen: lol
1095. # [10:43] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/0221d61cef72 - Jan-Ivar Bruaroey - Bug 823512: Part 2: Update PeerConnection to spec. states + DataChannel. r=bz,rjesup,ekr
1096. # [10:43] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/b115d0dbc1d5 - Jan-Ivar Bruaroey - Bug 823512: Part 3: Deprecated API calls emit warnings to web-console. r=jesup,bz
1097. # [10:43] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/4f60fe3eefc5 - Jan-Ivar Bruaroey - Bug 823512: Part 4: Workaround for lack of serializer support (bug 863402). r=bz
1098. # [10:43] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/7e02515f7a1d - Jan-Ivar Bruaroey - Bug 823512: Rewrite PeerConnection in JS-implemented WebIDL r=bz,jesup
1099. # [10:44] <Optimize1> Fallen: no, what if the site is down ?
1100. # [10:44] <Optimize1> where will you enter then ? :P
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1102. # [10:44] <Optimize1> NeilAway: thanks, its weird that I was not able to search it on google.
1103. # [10:45] <Optimize1> I was putting a let which was not required.
1104. # [10:45] <Fallen> Optimize1: watch out, the world might implode. I think there are other sites around
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1109. # [10:50] <atuljangra> Optimize1: Do you know nick of Shane Caraveo?
1110. # [10:50] <Optimize1> mixedpuppy
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1112. # [10:50] <atuljangra> okay.
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1116. # [10:52] <atuljangra> mixedpuppy: I was looking at https://wiki.mozilla.org/Firefox_Social_Integration and found it really interesting. Is this going to be offered as an add-on only, or we are going to integrate it into the main Firefox?
1117. # [10:52] <Optimize1> atuljangra: really ?
1118. # [10:53] <Optimize1> It is already in release versions since last version
1119. # [10:53] <mixedpuppy> atuljangra: SocialAPI has been integrated since Fx17, and has continuing work going on, currently looking at WebRTC Apps (Talkilla) use cases
1120. # [10:53] * atuljangra where the hell have I been :(
1121. # [10:54] <mixedpuppy> atuljangra: depending on what you would want to do, there are certainly places you could contribute
1122. # [10:54] <atuljangra> mixedpuppy: like?
1123. # [10:55] <Optimize1> atuljangra: for starters, getting up to date to Firefox ;)
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1125. # [10:55] <mixedpuppy> right now we're working on getting selenium working with socialapi. docs and tutorials need work. there's a good list of bugs for the development side.
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1127. # [10:56] <atuljangra> mixedpuppy: oh okay. I'll look into that.
1128. # [10:56] <atuljangra> Optimize1: :P
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1131. # [10:58] <atuljangra> Optimize1: What are you currently working on?
1132. # [10:59] <Optimize1> integrating a time machine in Firefox
1133. # [10:59] <Optimize1> it is taking too much time.
1134. # [10:59] <atuljangra> elaborate please
1135. # [10:59] <Optimize1> 78 patches and counting
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1137. # [11:00] <Optimize1> that was a joke
1138. # [11:00] <Optimize1> I cannot elaborate that :P
1139. # [11:00] <atuljangra> oh heh :P
1140. # [11:00] <atuljangra> so?
1141. # [11:01] <Optimize1> nuthin
1142. # [11:01] * mixedpuppy in meeting for a moment
1143. # [11:02] <atuljangra> Optimize1: okay. You applied for GSoC this year?
1144. # [11:02] <Optimize1> not a student anymore
1145. # [11:02] <atuljangra> oh, okay, so which company are you into?
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1151. # [11:11] <baku> Ms2ger, can we land DOMError ?
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1166. # [11:30] <Gijs> If I want leak logs like on tb, is --enable-trace-malloc still the thing to use?
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1172. # [11:41] <Optimize1> I really like the new google maps and the google now for desktop.
1173. # [11:41] <Optimize1> Sad that they both only work in Chrome.
1174. # [11:41] <Optimize1> though the technologies used are present in Firefox too.
1175. # [11:42] <Gijs> Optimize1: I think the new google maps stuff is supposed to work on Fx as soon as some fixes of ours land? Someone said yesterday those fixes were already on inbound...
1176. # [11:42] <Optimize1> oh ..
1177. # [11:43] <Optimize1> is it not simple wbgl ?
1178. # [11:43] <Optimize1> webGL
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1182. # [11:45] <Gijs> Optimize1: bug 872701
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1184. # [11:45] <Optimize1> YAY!
1185. # [11:45] <Optimize1> now when can I get search by voice on google ?
1186. # [11:46] <Optimize1> I mean it uses microphone, web audio etc.
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1188. # [11:46] <Optimize1> is it our fault too ?
1189. # [11:46] <Gijs> kids these days, you give a finger, they want the whole hand...
1190. # [11:46] <Gijs> ;)
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1192. # [11:46] <Gijs> No idea. :)
1193. # [11:47] <Optimize1> hey, I am just a year smaller than you ;)
1194. # [11:47] <Optimize1> may be 3
1195. # [11:47] <Optimize1> 2*
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1201. # [11:50] <mga> Gijs: ping
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1212. # [12:02] <Ms2ger> baku, looking
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1215. # [12:03] <Yoric> I get Assertion failure: _mOwningThread.GetThread() == PR_GetCurrentThread() (nsDOMMemoryFileDataOwnerMemoryReporter not thread-safe), at /Users/david/Documents/Code/mc-osfile/content/base/src/nsDOMFile.cpp:705
1216. # [12:03] <Yoric> Does this mean I made an error or nsDOMMemoryFileDataOwnerMemoryReporter has a problem?
1217. # [12:03] <Yoric> (building symbols atm to get details)
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1221. # [12:06] <Gijs> mga: pong
1222. # [12:07] <Gijs> Oh, wow, my windows build has thrown up an actual GUI window going "MS C/C++ Compiler Driver has stopped working"
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1224. # [12:07] <Gijs> That's... unfortunate.
1225. # [12:07] <mga> Gijs: I would be interested in fixing bug 291534, is it too much difficult for a new contributor?
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1229. # [12:09] <mga> Gijs: oh, and I usually code from Ubuntu, but since this bug is for all platforms I don't think it makes a huge difference on what OS I code, right?
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1231. # [12:10] <Gijs> mga: it doesn't make a big difference, although the bug talks about possibly wanting different behaviour for different platforms. :)
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1233. # [12:10] <Gijs> mga: if you know at least a bit of JS, I think it should probably be a good bug to start with, sure.
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1235. # [12:12] <mga> Gijs: in fact I asked because I read about this different behaviour issue... yes, a bit, some JS, some JQuery (but I don't think it's useful now, eheh), and I've already done two minor patches
1236. # [12:16] <edmorley> whoop infra issues \o/
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1238. # [12:18] <Callek> edmorley: infra issues?
1239. # [12:18] <Callek> explain
1240. # [12:18] <Gijs> mga: OK. Sounds like that would work. It's probably a good idea to look at how private browsing currently changes the window title.
1241. # [12:18] <edmorley> bugzilla ise500s, tbpl/build.m.o issues, tegras dropping out
1242. # [12:18] <edmorley> Callek: ^
1243. # [12:18] <Callek> o hell
1244. # [12:18] <Callek> :(
1245. # [12:18] <Gijs> mga: are you familiar with MXR? ( http://mxr.mozilla.org/ )
1246. # [12:19] <mga> Gijs: yes of course, what do I need to search?
1247. # [12:20] <Gijs> mga: so if you find the main browser.js and browser.xul files, and have a look at the extra title attributes we have there for private browsing, and see if you understand how that code works, that'd be a good start.
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1252. # [12:22] <Callek> edmorley: can you join me in #it (no info yet)
1253. # [12:22] <mga> Gijs: I've found the files, looking at them now :)
1254. # [12:22] <Ms2ger> baku, looks fine, but I want either peterv of bz to sign off the jsm change
1255. # [12:23] <baku> Ms2ger, ok
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1257. # [12:24] <Callek> edmorley: neither me nor pir can reproduce or idetify the issue, please join us :-)
1258. # [12:25] <edmorley> sure
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1262. # [12:33] <AutomatedTester> hmmm, https://www.evernote.com/shard/s63/sh/3c906b29-6ae7-4ee6-bb48-f6d273880206/d80eaf39c6347b98d539574a7f72f248 renders in Chrome but not in Firefox because of errors
1263. # [12:33] * pmoore|away is now known as pmoore
1264. # [12:33] <AutomatedTester> should I raise against evernote or against us?
1265. # [12:34] <edmorley> AutomatedTester: what does mozregression turn up?
1266. # [12:34] <AutomatedTester> edmorley: its been there for a while I just keep forgetting to mention it
1267. # [12:35] <edmorley> AutomatedTester: that page wfm fwiw
1268. # [12:35] <AutomatedTester> it shows an image with travis-ci?
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1271. # [12:36] <AutomatedTester> edmorley: ^
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1277. # [12:38] <edmorley> AutomatedTester: yeah :-)
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1279. # [12:38] <AutomatedTester> interesting
1280. # [12:38] <AutomatedTester> it doesnt work from release through nightly for me
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1284. # [12:43] <Gijs> I see an image loading and then that disappears?
1285. # [12:43] <Gijs> (on 22 beta)
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1292. # [12:53] <Gijs> yeah, "image corrupt or truncated" in the console... :s
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1302. # [13:09] <mga> Gijs: ok, I think I got some idea of how the private browsing title it's modified: the title modifiers are used here: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/browser/base/content/browser.js#6744
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1304. # [13:11] <mga> Gijs: in browser.xul we find the title modifiers, and then we do docElement.setAttribute("title", docElement.getAttribute("title_privatebrowsing")); etc
1305. # [13:12] <kaie> glandium, nonpong
1306. # [13:13] <mga> Gijs: when the title and titlemodifiers are all set, gBrowser.updateTitleBar() should be called
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1308. # [13:13] <mga> updateTitlebar() *
1309. # [13:15] <Gijs> mga: OK. So we want a similar strategy for safemode, You'll want to add localization strings, and add attributes that use those strings, and then add some code that swaps around the title modifiers with the safemode string if we're in safemode. Make sense?
1310. # [13:16] <mga> Gijs: localization strings are the ones holding the hardcoded value of, for example, "&mainWindow.titlePrivateBrowsingSuffix"?
1311. # [13:17] <edmorley> bug starring is currently broken on TBPL, filed bug 873423
1312. # [13:17] <Gijs> mga: right, so the "mainWindow.titlePrivateBrowsingSuffix" is the identifier of a localization string.
1313. # [13:18] <Gijs> mga: within XUL files, we use DTDs (entity definitions) to define localization strings.
1314. # [13:18] <mga> Gijs: very well, are they in browser.dtd?
1315. # [13:19] <Gijs> Yes, I presume so.
1316. # [13:19] <mga> Gijs: ok, all clear so far
1317. # [13:20] <Gijs> mga: you should be able to use the patch that's already on the bug (with r-) to figure out how to check if we're in safemode. Except that rather than the long complicated Cc["@....whatever" line, you can probably just use:
1318. # [13:20] <Gijs> Services.appinfo.inSafeMode :)
1319. # [13:22] <mga> Gijs: what about the strings I should use? Something like "(Safe Mode)", just like the modifier for PB?
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1321. # [13:24] <Gijs> mga: yeah, making it similar to the PB modifier would make sense.
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1324. # [13:25] <mga> Gijs: one more thing: where do I put this code in browser.js? Is the same location of the patch ok (if it still exists)?
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1326. # [13:25] <TheOne> I'm looking for Michel Renon from France. Does anyone know whether he is on irc and what his handle is?
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1328. # [13:26] <mga> Gijs: I mean after the "#ifndef MOZ_PLACES" bit
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1331. # [13:30] <Gijs> mga: this is a good question, one second.
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1333. # [13:31] <Gijs> mga: so, AFAICT from the patch that was pageShowEventHandlers, which wouldn't make sense.
1334. # [13:31] <Gijs> mga: the original patch had to modify the title every time, now we have generic code in tabbrowser.xml that takes care of that for us.
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1336. # [13:32] <Gijs> mga: so you only need to do something when the window loads. Check where the gPrivateBrowsingUI.init method is called, add a function that does the attribute swapping and stuff, and call that function from there, would be my suggestion.
1337. # [13:32] <Gijs> mga: I'm not sure if the module owners / peers who'll review your patch have better suggestions, but there's only one way to find out! ;)
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1340. # [13:37] <mga> Gijs: it's on line 946, in gBrowserInit()... the function should only contain the bit about checking if we are in safe mode etc, right? So can I put it wherever I want in the file (of course excluding the body of existing functions) or are there some best practices?
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1343. # [13:38] <mga> Gijs: for example do you usually put new functions at the end of files, or right before the bigger function in which the new function will be called, or else?
1344. # [13:39] <Gijs> mga: I would say browser.js is a bit of a hodgepodge already... that said, do the best you can. Just before the start of gPrivateBrowsingUI is probably not a bad idea.
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1346. # [13:39] <mga> Gijs: ok, and about comments... do I write a comment referencing the bug I'm fixing?
1347. # [13:39] <Gijs> Who would be a good person to ask about the query caret rect tests?
1348. # [13:40] <Gijs> mga: no.
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1351. # [13:40] <mga> Gijs: no comments at all?
1352. # [13:40] <Gijs> mga: this is more of an enhancement than a bug. If it were an actual bug and the reason you were doing something wasn't obvious from the context, then perhaps you would, but in this case anyone reading that code should be able to understand what you're trying to do
1353. # [13:41] <Gijs> mga: you can have a comment saying what the function does, but there's no need to have as much prose as code in there. If you pick sensible variable names, this will be a relatively easy bit of code to understand, I would imagine.
1354. # [13:42] <mga> Gijs: ok, so no comments probably (I prefer picking good variable names instead of writing comments, really) :)
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1357. # [13:43] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/a7bd66bbb68b - Ed Morley - Bug 872507 - Tweak logcat java-exception regex to strip more whitespace; r=jmaher
1358. # [13:44] <mga> Gijs: I find (I don't know if it's the case here) that often comments in the code are object of long discussions :) however I think it's all clear, do you have other suggestions? If not I'll switch OS and start working
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1360. # [13:45] <Gijs> mga: no, I think this should get you along for a bit... good luck, and feel free to ping me on IRC or shoot me a mail if you need something else... :)
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1362. # [13:45] <mga> Gijs: thank you very much for your time, bye! :)
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1366. # [13:51] <NeilAway> Gijs: is this truncated image an animated png that's less than 16K?
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1369. # [13:53] <Gijs> NeilAway: from the looks of it, no...
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1371. # [13:55] <NeilAway> Gijs: nm, I 've hit a recent animated png bug that's all, same console message
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1375. # [14:01] <nemo> ###!!! ABORT: X_GLXDestroyContext: GLXBadContext; 14 requests ago: file /build/buildd/firefox-21.0+build2/toolkit/xre/nsX11ErrorHandler.cpp, line 157
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1377. # [14:01] <nemo> huh. Firefox doesn't play nice w/ ssh -Y anymore?
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1384. # [14:08] <nemo> *sigh*
1385. # [14:08] <nemo> crash #2
1386. # [14:09] <nemo> I wonder if disabling accel might do the trick
1387. # [14:09] <nemo> didn't do this before it seems.. ah well
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1394. # [14:16] <nemo> https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/f10606ee-ea8f-4f02-b61a-c2ff22130517
1395. # [14:16] <nemo> I guess using ssh -Y is kind of a special case
1396. # [14:17] <nemo> maybe I should file a bug so people don't freak out about my gfx card info?
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1399. # [14:20] <nemo> and https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/755e11d2-6249-492e-a92b-abeda2130517
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1402. # [14:21] <nemo> eh. *files justincase*
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1406. # [14:28] <nemo> yeah. I think this is my fault, although verifying it will take a few days
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1421. # [14:51] <nemo> mm http://phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?80672-Ubuntu-13-10-Likely-Switching-To-Chromium-Browser and http://news.slashdot.org/story/13/05/16/2037212/ubuntu-developers-revisit-replacing-firefox-with-chromium have been generally savaging the Ubuntu choice
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1423. # [14:51] <nemo> eh. there's always Mint
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1435. # [15:08] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/ea25bacc8401 - Ryan VanderMeulen - Merge m-c to birch.
1436. # [15:08] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/b5a42a30e193 - Sotaro Ikeda - Bug 871753 Part1 - fix deadlock during youtube video playback. r=doublec
1437. # [15:08] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/2cad9e70289a - Sotaro Ikeda - Bug 871753 Part2 - add libstagefright_foundation r=mwu
1438. # [15:08] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/cb242a1cccb2 - Camilo Viecco - Bug 841569 - Cannot install image-uploader (fix handling of large filanames on b2g apps) r=bsmith
1439. # [15:09] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/cb242a1cccb2 - Camilo Viecco - Bug 841569 - Cannot install image-uploader (fix handling of large filanames on b2g apps) r=bsmith
1440. # [15:09] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/ea25bacc8401 - Ryan VanderMeulen - Merge m-c to birch.
1441. # [15:09] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/32191193cbb2 - Ryan VanderMeulen - Merge m-c to inbound.
1442. # [15:10] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/b5a42a30e193 - Sotaro Ikeda - Bug 871753 Part1 - fix deadlock during youtube video playback. r=doublec
1443. # [15:10] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/2cad9e70289a - Sotaro Ikeda - Bug 871753 Part2 - add libstagefright_foundation r=mwu
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1521. # [16:14] <froydnj> anybody have gcc 4.6 on linux and want to run a quick test for me?
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1526. # [16:16] <@ted> froydnj: i have gcc-4.6.real (Ubuntu/Linaro 4.6.4-1ubuntu1~12.04) 4.6.4
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1528. # [16:18] <froydnj> ted: http://www.pastebin.mozilla.org/2413108 , compile with g++ -S -O2 -o - atomic-test.cpp -std=c++0x
1529. # [16:18] <froydnj> ted: and pastebin the output, please
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1532. # [16:19] <@ted> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/2413109
1533. # [16:19] <froydnj> perfect, thanks
1534. # [16:20] <@ted> np
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1536. # [16:22] <wg9s> RyanVM: Thanks for checking in my patch!
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1539. # [16:22] <wg9s> RyanVM++
1540. # [16:23] <RyanVM> wg9s: np
1541. # [16:23] <RyanVM> noticed after the fact that it had the old bug # still, though :(
1542. # [16:24] <wg9s> OH guess I screwed up there. :-(
1543. # [16:25] <wg9s> so i must have cut and pasted the wrong bug cause i redid the patch and it is a whole new comment.
1544. # [16:25] <RyanVM> yeah, and I missed it too (I normally double-check before pushing)
1545. # [16:25] <wg9s> but i did have both bugs open so i guess i typed in the bug number fromt he wrong tab title.
1546. # [16:26] <wg9s> no that ai think about it.
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1549. # [16:26] <froydnj> what does B2G Arm opt on m-i correspond to on try? panda? or ics_armv7a_gecko?
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1551. # [16:27] <@ted> i suspect the latter
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1554. # [16:27] <@ted> i think it's just a gecko build with the B2G toolchain
1555. # [16:28] <RyanVM> b2g_mozilla-inbound_ics_armv7a_gecko build
1556. # [16:28] <froydnj> doh, it's right there
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1561. # [16:30] <@ted> hah
1562. # [16:30] <@ted> we need a wiki page we can link to that actually describes WTF each of our builds/tests is
1563. # [16:31] <@ted> what channel do firefox frontend devs hang out on?
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1565. # [16:31] <TimAbraldes> ted: #fx-team I believe
1566. # [16:31] <@ted> thanks
1567. # [16:31] <@ted> Manuela: ^^
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1569. # [16:31] <Manuela> hi all! I have a question regarding a browser chrome test :) could somone please help? :)
1570. # [16:31] <Manuela> thanks ted! :)
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1573. # [16:32] <wg9s> ted: yes needs to explain both the name it has in the JSON file and the abbreviation used by tbpl.
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1576. # [16:34] <jwir3> RyanVM: ping?
1577. # [16:34] <RyanVM> jwir3: pong
1578. # [16:34] <jwir3> RyanVM: is there a try-server equivalent for b2g18?
1579. # [16:34] <jwir3> oh wait
1580. # [16:34] <RyanVM> yes, "Try" :)
1581. # [16:34] * jwir3 realizes this question may have just been asked
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1583. # [16:34] <RyanVM> you can push b2g18 to Try
1584. # [16:35] <froydnj> inbound? :p
1585. # [16:35] <jwir3> RyanVM: oh, ok
1586. # [16:35] <jwir3> RyanVM: Cool. Thanks
1587. # [16:35] <RyanVM> just be forewarned that it'll give you some bogus test results
1588. # [16:35] <jwir3> ok
1589. # [16:35] <RyanVM> but I assume you're working on the uplift patch I backed out yesterday
1590. # [16:35] <jwir3> exactly
1591. # [16:35] <jwir3> yeah, there's a prereq patch that's needed
1592. # [16:35] <RyanVM> I would think you'll be OK for those platforms/reftests
1593. # [16:35] <RyanVM> I figured as much with a missing header file :)
1594. # [16:35] <jwir3> :)
1595. # [16:37] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/37b8fa6c1c92 - Mats Palmgren - Bug 813372 - Tweaking the test a bit to try to avoid intermittent failures.
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1598. # [16:42] <RyanVM> oh boy, merge bustage!
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1601. # [16:43] <RyanVM> jesup: ping
1602. # [16:43] <jesup> RyanVM: pong
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1605. # [16:43] <RyanVM> jesup: looks like a webrtc-related crash on the m-c -> inbound merge
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1607. # [16:44] <jesup> RyanVM: looking
1608. # [16:44] <RyanVM> thx
1609. # [16:45] <jesup> the crashtests, right?
1610. # [16:45] <RyanVM> yes
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1612. # [16:46] <RyanVM> at least it was a small merge :P
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1620. # [16:49] <jesup> bz: ping
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1624. # [16:50] <@bz> jesup: ack
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1626. # [16:51] <jesup> bz: we landed jib's webidl stuff last night on inbound. Ryan's getting a crash on inbound after merging m-c to inbound
1627. # [16:52] <@bz> mmm
1628. # [16:52] <@bz> crash where?
1629. # [16:52] <jesup> wasn't crashing after landing on inbound
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1632. # [16:52] <jesup> ProcessEvent
1633. # [16:52] <@bz> in the Windows crashtests?
1634. # [16:52] <RyanVM> and mochitest-3
1635. # [16:52] <jesup> ProcessNextEvent, sorry
1636. # [16:52] <RyanVM> debug builds
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1638. # [16:52] <RyanVM> (FWIW, I just clobbered and retriggered)
1639. # [16:53] <@bz> hmm
1640. # [16:53] <@bz> Crash is a null-deref in ProcessNextEvent
1641. # [16:53] * @bz looks at M3
1642. # [16:53] <@bz> dom/media/tests/mochitest/test_peerConnection_basicAudio.html
1643. # [16:54] <@bz> 07:43:48 INFO - Crash address: 0x24
1644. # [16:54] <@bz> Weird!
1645. # [16:54] <@ted> why is that weird?'
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1647. # [16:55] <@bz> 637 NOTIFY_EVENT_OBSERVERS(AfterProcessNextEvent, (this, mRunningEvent));
1648. # [16:55] <@bz> Is the crash line, apparently
1649. # [16:55] <@ted> just looks like a slight offset from NULL
1650. # [16:55] <@bz> well, yes
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1652. # [16:55] <@ted> or is your weird further up the stack
1653. # [16:55] <@bz> But null-deref crashes in that code should not be able to be triggered from JS
1654. # [16:55] <@ted> heh
1655. # [16:55] <@ted> gotcha
1656. # [16:55] <jesup> null pointer used to invoke a method one assumes
1657. # [16:55] <@bz> Well
1658. # [16:56] <@bz> no
1659. # [16:56] <@ted> probably accessing mRunningEvent
1660. # [16:56] <@ted> if i had to guess
1661. # [16:56] <@bz> worse
1662. # [16:56] <@bz> Null vtable pointer is my initial guess
1663. # [16:56] <@bz> which is always a bad sign
1664. # [16:56] <@bz> 07:43:48 INFO - 0 xul.dll!nsThread::ProcessNextEvent(bool,bool *) [nsThread.cpp:32191193cbb2 : 637 + 0x0]
1665. # [16:56] <@bz> That means line 637, right?
1666. # [16:56] <jesup> yes
1667. # [16:57] <@bz> So we're in this macro:
1668. # [16:57] <@bz> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/annotate/tip/xpcom/threads/nsThread.cpp#l553
1669. # [16:57] <@bz> So either "this" is dead
1670. # [16:57] <@bz> or obs_ is null
1671. # [16:57] <@bz> or obs_ is dead
1672. # [16:57] <@bz> hard to say which, because no line info for inside the macro. :(
1673. # [16:58] <@bz> But more importantly, none of the stuff we did should be affecting this, offhand...
1674. # [16:58] <@ted> i should figure out how to make mdsw dump source+assembly for the crashed aread
1675. # [16:58] <@ehsan> bsmedberg: ping
1676. # [16:58] <@bsmedberg> ehsan: pong
1677. # [16:58] <@bz> But the crashing tests sure make it look like peerconnection is the problem
1678. # [16:59] <jesup> bz: odd thing is it was fine until the m-c merge
1679. # [16:59] <@ehsan> bsmedberg: hey! do we need to ping you to add new projects to http://benjamin.smedbergs.us/weekly-updates.fcgi/?
1680. # [16:59] <@bz> right
1681. # [16:59] <@bz> odd indeed
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1683. # [16:59] <@bsmedberg> ehsan: no, the field at the bottom lets you add new ones
1684. # [16:59] <@bz> So our thread observers are....
1685. # [16:59] <@bz> XPCOM LazyIdleThread bits
1686. # [16:59] <@bz> appshell
1687. # [17:00] <@bz> socket transport service
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1689. # [17:00] <@bz> CSS loader
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1692. # [17:00] <@bz> nsXPConnect
1693. # [17:00] <@bz> ContentParent
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1695. # [17:00] <@bz> None of those should be affected by our changes, really
1696. # [17:00] <@ehsan> bsmedberg: ok cool! what's the spamfilter password? :)
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1698. # [17:01] <@bz> nsXPConnect is the closest
1699. # [17:01] <@bz> but if we're managing to end up with a dead nsXPConnect...
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1701. # [17:01] <@bz> Makes no sense
1702. # [17:01] <@bz> I vote we see what the clobber looks like
1703. # [17:02] <RyanVM> wfm :)
1704. # [17:02] <RyanVM> also, the push above that one has tests going now
1705. # [17:02] <RyanVM> should know how the crashtests do in <10min
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1708. # [17:03] <jesup> there's a lot of stuff hidden in the birch->m-i merge there....
1709. # [17:04] <RyanVM> heh
1710. # [17:04] <@bz> hmm
1711. # [17:04] <@bz> Doesn't show up in the pushlog.....
1712. # [17:05] <jesup> hey, how come all the birch stuff doesn't have pushlog links or separate changesets?
1713. # [17:05] <@bz> yeah
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1715. # [17:05] <@bz> That's my question
1716. # [17:05] <jesup> it's just this huge mass of stuff under "merge".... not good from a hg log perspective or blame
1717. # [17:06] <RyanVM> what do you mean?
1718. # [17:06] <@bz> well, wait
1719. # [17:06] <RyanVM> that birch merge has 3 csets
1720. # [17:06] <@bz> it depends on which side the diff is against
1721. # [17:06] <RyanVM> two bugs
1722. # [17:06] <jesup> lots of DOM suff there too
1723. # [17:06] <@bz> it looks like the merge changeset is diffing against the birch side
1724. # [17:06] <RyanVM> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Birch
1725. # [17:06] <@bz> on hgweb
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1727. # [17:07] <@bz> which is not so helpful, but that's how merges fly
1728. # [17:07] <RyanVM> yes
1729. # [17:07] <jesup> Sorry, it's listed as "merge m-c to birch"
1730. # [17:07] <RyanVM> jesup: that's standard for any branch merge
1731. # [17:07] <RyanVM> same as inbound -> m-c
1732. # [17:07] <RyanVM> fx-team
1733. # [17:07] <RyanVM> tec
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1735. # [17:08] <RyanVM> fwiw, I don't recall seeing hg having to do any file merging with birch lately
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1737. # [17:08] <RyanVM> everything applied without fixup
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1741. # [17:08] <RyanVM> next push has the same issues - going to have to wait on the clobbers I guess
1742. # [17:11] <@bz> Is someone up for trying to debug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=870709 if I send them login info?
1743. # [17:11] * @bz has too many things on his plate...
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1752. # [17:15] <Callek> bz: clearly you need a bigger plate
1753. # [17:15] <RyanVM> file a servicenow request?
1754. # [17:16] * Callek on the other hand. needs a bigger table in order to fit bigger or more plates on
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1757. # [17:18] <@bz> RyanVM: now you have two problems
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1759. # [17:18] <jesup> bz: so, it looks like there's a ton of DOM stuff in that m-c to birch merge cset. I'd strongly suggest (given we landed webidl code for webrtc last night) that something in there breaks code we just landed - but there's no easy way to bisect
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1763. # [17:19] <RyanVM> jesup: I'm confused
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1765. # [17:19] <RyanVM> that m-c -> birch merge is already green on birch
1766. # [17:19] <RyanVM> that m-c code is green
1767. # [17:20] <jesup> RyanVM: right, but in the meantime we landed code on inbound that apparently something on m-c/birch breaks
1768. # [17:20] <RyanVM> those DOM changes in the birch merge have been on inbound since last night when m-c and inbound were last merged
1769. # [17:21] <jesup> really? then how come they show up as changes in this merge?
1770. # [17:21] <RyanVM> jesup: because hg is dumb?
1771. # [17:21] <RyanVM> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Birch&rev=ea25bacc8401
1772. # [17:21] <jesup> Well, merges are 'special' ;-)
1773. # [17:21] <RyanVM> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?rev=ea767da526ff
1774. # [17:22] <RyanVM> the only thing different between those two is https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Birch&rev=2cad9e70289a
1775. # [17:22] <RyanVM> which seems...unlikely...no?
1776. # [17:23] <RyanVM> as long as the same file isn't getting simultaneously changed on the two branches
1777. # [17:23] <RyanVM> which I don't believe was the case for any of these
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1780. # [17:24] <jesup> ryan: so, crashes are Windows-only????
1781. # [17:24] <RyanVM> win debug, yes
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1783. # [17:24] <jesup> smacks of bug 870002...
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1785. # [17:24] <jesup> I wonder if it's a different signature for the same bug
1786. # [17:24] <_AtilA_> mattwoodrow|away, ping ?
1787. # [17:24] <@bz> Except now no longer intermittent?
1788. # [17:24] <MrDHat> I am planning to use the Mozillians API for an app.Will I be able to procure user data which is not Public through the API?
1789. # [17:25] <jesup> which would be great!
1790. # [17:25] <RyanVM> given the webidl build system's past reputation for past flakiness and Windows' known build flakiness, I'm still leaning towards needs-clobber
1791. # [17:25] <jesup> RyanVM: you have a strong point there
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1793. # [17:25] <jesup> ETA for clobber results?
1794. # [17:25] <mkaply> Anyone know who is the most knowledgable about Mac, in particular Firefox startup on Mac?
1795. # [17:25] <RyanVM> "awhile" :(
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1797. # [17:25] <RyanVM> probably an hour-ish
1798. # [17:26] <RyanVM> win debug builds take ~2h
1799. # [17:26] <jesup> We could also throw a try with roc's patch backed out
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1802. # [17:26] <jesup> At least get an hour's head-start
1803. # [17:26] <RyanVM> except that if it's needs-clobber, it would be green even with roc's patch
1804. # [17:27] <RyanVM> well, OK, I see what you're saying
1805. # [17:27] <RyanVM> we already have the "with patch" scenario on inbound
1806. # [17:27] <jesup> right, but if needs-clobber fails, then we're an hour down the road of trying to see if it's 870002
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1808. # [17:27] <jesup> right
1809. # [17:27] <RyanVM> try: -b d -p win32 -u crashtest,mochitest-3 -t none
1810. # [17:27] <RyanVM> fire away :)
1811. # [17:28] <RyanVM> unless you want opt for something else
1812. # [17:28] <jesup> will do in a sec; need to figure the backout
1813. # [17:28] <RyanVM> jesup: also, fwiw - https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?rev=cb242a1cccb2
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1820. # [17:33] <imelven> RyanVM: ping
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1822. # [17:33] <RyanVM> imelven: pong
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1824. # [17:34] <imelven> RyanVM: bsmith relanded the csp inline stuff again yesterday and it looks like that happened before you merged m-i to m-c but i don't seem to see it in central
1825. # [17:34] <imelven> im sure i'm just confused, so i'm asking in the hopes of learning something ;)
1826. # [17:35] <jesup> RyanVM: (and bz) https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=1ea5edbce428
1827. # [17:35] <RyanVM> imelven: we don't usually pull inbound tip when we merge to m-c
1828. # [17:35] <RyanVM> so presumably it landed after whatever cset was used as our basis for the merge
1829. # [17:35] <RyanVM> imelven: this was the rev we pull for the merge - https://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/630a7d5a7ceb
1830. # [17:36] <imelven> ok, how do i see which cset you pulled to merge ?
1831. # [17:36] <@bz> jesup: when did the thing you're backing out merge?
1832. # [17:36] <@bz> imelven: look at the parents?
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1834. # [17:36] <@bz> imelven: of the merge, that is
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1836. # [17:36] <RyanVM> imelven: and indeed, 630a7d5a7ceb was from before bsmith's push
1837. # [17:37] <imelven> bz: yeah, i tried that but that seemed to imply it would be in there
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1839. # [17:37] <RyanVM> imelven: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/pushloghtml/3
1840. # [17:37] <imelven> RyanVM: shouldn't that be an m-i cset and not an m-c cset ?
1841. # [17:37] <RyanVM> hmm?
1842. # [17:37] <@bz> imelven: after the merge, the changesets are both places
1843. # [17:38] <@bz> imelven: well, after the merge and push
1844. # [17:38] <@bz> imelven: so looking at the last merge
1845. # [17:38] <@bz> https://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/ea767da526ff
1846. # [17:38] <@bz> It has two parents
1847. # [17:38] <@bz> b8b132da6287 and 630a7d5a7ceb
1848. # [17:39] <imelven> ahh i think im starting to get it
1849. # [17:39] <mbrubeck> ehsan: Just as a heads-up, we did regress some things like Ts slightly from the opt-in PGO change: http://graphs.mozilla.org/graph.html#tests=[[227,63,1]]&sel=1368200291282,1368805091282&displayrange=7&datatype=running
1850. # [17:39] <imelven> right, and one of those parents is the one ryanVM pointed to
1851. # [17:39] <mbrubeck> ehsan: I suspect we might just choose to eat that regression in exchange for getting to keep using PGO this year. :P
1852. # [17:39] <@bz> right
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1854. # [17:39] <@ehsan> hmm
1855. # [17:39] <@bz> b8b132da6287 is itself a " Ryan VanderMeulen b
1856. # [17:39] <@bz> er, merge fx-team to m-c
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1858. # [17:39] <@ehsan> mbrubeck: what are the regression numbers?
1859. # [17:40] <@bz> if hg view worked on our repo, this would all be not too bad. ;)
1860. # [17:40] <RyanVM> mbrubeck: or we figure out what else needs opting in :) Presumably it's still <all :)
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1863. # [17:40] <@ted> my cutoff was totally arbitrary
1864. # [17:40] <imelven> bz RyanVM: ok thanks for the explanation :)
1865. # [17:40] <RyanVM> imelven: but yeah, anyway, his push didn't land in time for that merge :P. It'll be in the next one.
1866. # [17:41] <RyanVM> which will be whenever the current inbound issues are sorted out
1867. # [17:41] <mbrubeck> ehsan: Looks like Ts Paint regressed by about 20ms (4%) on XP
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1869. # [17:41] <RyanVM> pfft, xp
1870. # [17:41] <@ehsan> hmm
1871. # [17:41] <mbrubeck> ehsan: From my spot checks, I don't see any effect on benchmarks other than Ts
1872. # [17:41] <imelven> RyanVM: no worries re waiting for the next one :)
1873. # [17:41] <@ted> interesting
1874. # [17:41] <mbrubeck> When the next PGO build finishes in a couple hours, the analyzer should start sending its emails
1875. # [17:41] <@ted> mbrubeck: i did a full try run and didn't see that
1876. # [17:42] <jesup> afk for a bit....
1877. # [17:42] <@ehsan> mbrubeck: ted: perhaps we can play a bit with the threshold value?
1878. # [17:42] <@ted> ehsan: now that the mechanism is in there it should be trivial to add or remove dirs
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1880. # [17:42] <@ehsan> ted: yeah... I'd really prefer us not regress Ts here... :/
1881. # [17:43] <@ted> indeed
1882. # [17:43] <@bz> http://news.slashdot.org/story/13/05/16/2037212/ubuntu-developers-revisit-replacing-firefox-with-chromium hasa bunch of positive comments about us
1883. # [17:43] <@bz> is nice
1884. # [17:44] <RyanVM> unpossible
1885. # [17:44] <@bz> Check it out
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1890. # [17:46] <@ehsan> hrm, chromium on linux is not accessible?
1891. # [17:46] <@ehsan> FAIL
1892. # [17:46] <mbrubeck> ted: The regression on Win7 was a bit smaller, around 15ms (2%)
1893. # [17:46] <mbrubeck> hmm, or maybe not
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1897. # [17:47] <mbrubeck> See the funny outliers on the graph right before the PGO change landed? http://graphs.mozilla.org/graph.html#tests=[[83,63,12]]&sel=1368200746612,1368805546612&displayrange=7&datatype=running
1898. # [17:48] <mbrubeck> They correspond to runs with abnormally low linker memory: http://graphs.mozilla.org/graph.html#tests=[[205,63,8]]&sel=1368200847650,1368805647650&displayrange=7&datatype=running
1899. # [17:48] <@ehsan> huh
1900. # [17:48] <mbrubeck> So apparently those outliers in the libxul link memory graph are builds where PGO is basically not happening
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1902. # [17:48] <@ehsan> I'm *really* curious to figure out what's up with those outliers
1903. # [17:48] <@ted> that's uh
1904. # [17:48] <mbrubeck> also, the timing of those last 3 outliers is going to mess with the stats on the opt-in landing
1905. # [17:49] <@ted> are they post-landing?
1906. # [17:49] <@ehsan> ted: did you read my post on dev.platform about my suspicion on the outliers having something to do with patches that touch configure etc?
1907. # [17:49] <@ted> or pre?
1908. # [17:49] <@ted> glandium mentioned this yesterday
1909. # [17:49] <@ehsan> pre
1910. # [17:49] <@ted> i expect that if we didn't clobber then this will sort of trickle in
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1912. # [17:49] <@ehsan> this being?
1913. # [17:49] <@ted> because it doesn't actually take affect until we rebuild the objs in the dirs in question
1914. # [17:49] <mbrubeck> ted: pre
1915. # [17:49] <@ted> (opt-in PGO)
1916. # [17:49] <@ehsan> well yeah, but these are pre-landing
1917. # [17:50] <@ehsan> and have been happening for a long time
1918. # [17:50] <mbrubeck> ted: In fact, if you expand those graphs both to 30 days you can see the same thing happening
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1920. # [17:50] <davidb> wild
1921. # [17:50] <@ted> mbrubeck: that is weird
1922. # [17:50] <@ted> ehsan: i had not seen that
1923. # [17:50] <mbrubeck> I'm going to look up those changesets...
1924. # [17:50] <@ehsan> ted: I eyeballed the regression ranges for a few of those on dev.platform, and they all had something which either touched configure or config.mk or something in the core build system which presumably would cause everything to be rebuilt
1925. # [17:50] <@ehsan> let me see if I can find that post
1926. # [17:51] <RyanVM> if it were clobber-related, wouldn't we see consistently-lower memory usage on nightlies?
1927. # [17:51] <RyanVM> (and if so, do we?)
1928. # [17:51] <@ehsan> ted: https://groups.google.com/d/msg/mozilla.dev.platform/PVcbThwogSw/7a3JVC6C0qEJ
1929. # [17:52] <@ehsan> RyanVM: no, they're not clobber related
1930. # [17:52] <@ted> RyanVM: i meant for my patch
1931. # [17:52] <RyanVM> I was thinking more along the lines of "which presumably would cause everything to be rebuilt"
1932. # [17:52] <@ted> ah
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1934. # [17:53] <@ehsan> RyanVM: well, with a clobber, the obj files are not there when we try to create them
1935. # [17:53] <RyanVM> true
1936. # [17:54] <@ehsan> I don't know enough about the build system to know whether the presence of those objects can cause a difference in PGO builds or not
1937. # [17:54] <@ehsan> but I suspect the answer might be "yes"
1938. # [17:54] <RyanVM> lots of black magic there :)
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1942. # [17:55] <@ted> supposedly the object files should not make a difference
1943. # [17:55] <@ted> in a PGO build
1944. # [17:55] <@ted> since they're not really compiled
1945. # [17:55] <@ted> but the pgd file, that could make a difference
1946. # [17:56] <@ted> it lives next to the .dll/.exe files, and it stores the profiling info
1947. # [17:56] <@ehsan> huh, the pgd files!
1948. # [17:56] <@ted> i think we try to clear it every run
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1950. # [17:57] <@ehsan> can you verify that?
1951. # [17:57] <@ted> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/config/rules.mk#730
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1953. # [17:57] <@ted> maybe that's not sufficient
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1956. # [17:57] <@ted> we could try rm'ing it, not sure if that'd hurt anything
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1958. # [17:57] <@ehsan> hmm
1959. # [17:58] <@ehsan> I don't know what pgomgr -clear is supposed to do...
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1961. # [17:58] <RyanVM> mccr8: yeesh, queuing up to re-bust inbound as soon as it re-opens isn't very polite :)
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1963. # [17:58] <mbrubeck> we prefer pushing and shoving to re-bust inbound
1964. # [17:58] <RyanVM> ah f' it, just push with CLOSED TREE :D
1965. # [17:59] <@ted> " /clear—Causes the .pgd file to be cleared of all profile information. You cannot specify a .pgc file when /clear is specified."
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1968. # [18:01] <@ehsan> ted: so, what's the difference with /clear and rm? pardon the pun, but that's not clear!
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1972. # [18:01] <@ted> oh
1973. # [18:01] <@ted> i suspect i know why we didn't use rm
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1975. # [18:02] <@ted> because if you don't wind up having to re-link on a dep build then it won't get recreated
1976. # [18:02] <RyanVM> because rm on windows = teh suck?
1977. # [18:02] <RyanVM> sorry
1978. # [18:03] <@ted> we could probably make that less bad by putting it in the link rules for the dll/exe
1979. # [18:03] <@ted> and just rm'ing it right before we link
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1987. # [18:05] <@ehsan> ted: I only mostly follow you at this point :)
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1990. # [18:06] <@ted> hah
1991. # [18:06] <@ted> so, we do PGO builds as dep builds sometimes
1992. # [18:06] <@ted> if we rm'ed every pgd file in the export phase, some of them wouldn't come back
1993. # [18:06] <@ted> because we wouldn't wind up re-linking the binary
1994. # [18:06] <@ted> just using -clear ought to be safe
1995. # [18:07] <@ted> but i'm saying alternately we could just rm the pgd file right before we link in the first build pass
1996. # [18:07] <@ted> because it'll get recreated anyway
1997. # [18:07] <@ehsan> right
1998. # [18:07] <@ehsan> ok
1999. # [18:07] <@ehsan> that makes sense to me
2000. # [18:07] <@ted> this assumes that our problem is that pgomgr -clear isn't actually doing what we want
2001. # [18:07] <@ehsan> yes
2002. # [18:07] <@ehsan> I guess we can try that and see?
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2004. # [18:08] <tbsaunde> ehsan: so I picked one of those changesets you linked in that mail a while ago and pushed before and after it to try and couldn't find any difference in pgo memory between the two
2005. # [18:08] <@ehsan> tbsaunde: try doesn't do dep builds
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2034. # [18:22] <RyanVM> jesup: bz: so inbound tip shows green win debug crashtests
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2039. # [18:24] <@bz> RyanVM: mmmm
2040. # [18:24] <@bz> RyanVM: So we think the clobber cleared things up?
2041. # [18:25] <RyanVM> bz: this is the build that kicked off from the push, not my retrigger
2042. # [18:25] <RyanVM> could have been a clobber, but I won't know until it finishes
2043. # [18:25] <@khuey|jfk-airport> getting a new battery before a 12 hour flight
2044. # [18:25] <@khuey|jfk-airport> best decision ever
2045. # [18:26] <@bz> khuey|jfk-airport: Heh
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2047. # [18:26] <@bz> khuey|jfk-airport: "Pick planes with power outlets"
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2050. # [18:26] <@khuey|jfk-airport> bz: "good luck with that on international flights"
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2052. # [18:26] <@gavin> international flights are more likely to have power outlets, aren't they?/
2053. # [18:27] <@bz> It depends
2054. # [18:27] <@bz> for example, most of my domestic flights are on Virgin America
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2057. # [18:27] <@bz> which always has them
2058. # [18:27] <@bz> but never flies intl
2059. # [18:27] <@gavin> I mean overall, considering the global fleet of all commercial airlines
2060. # [18:27] <@bz> But yes, for someone like American or United....
2061. # [18:28] <@bz> What it really comes down to is "good luck getting a power outlet unless you're flying the right airline"
2062. # [18:28] <RyanVM> bz: some of the post-clobber retriggers have started spawning tests, so we'll know soon
2063. # [18:29] <@khuey|jfk-airport> as far as I know AA has no power in economy on international flights
2064. # [18:29] <@khuey|jfk-airport> DL has it for some, but not the plane I'm on today
2065. # [18:29] * @khuey|jfk-airport has no idea about United
2066. # [18:29] <@gavin> I thought you were flying delta?
2067. # [18:29] <cpeterson> when in doubt, bring your own power.
2068. # [18:29] <@khuey|jfk-airport> cpeterson: indeed
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2079. # [18:37] <froydnj> hm, apparently -p ics_armv7_gecko -b o doesn't work :(
2080. # [18:37] <RyanVM> link?
2081. # [18:38] <froydnj> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=f84480dacfaa
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2084. # [18:39] <@bz> when in doubt, bring some paper books
2085. # [18:39] <RyanVM> odd
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2088. # [18:39] <@bz> " You asked Jeff Walden [:Waldo] (remove +bmo to email) <jwalden+bmo@mit.edu> for review on bug 873229, attachment 751076, but that bug has been restricted to users in certain groups, and the user you asked isn't in all the groups to which the bug has been restricted. Please choose someone else to ask, or make the bug accessible to users on its CC: list and add that user to the list. "
2089. # [18:39] * @bz mutters
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2091. # [18:39] <@bz> bzexport just silently failed to mark the review...
2092. # [18:39] <RyanVM> yeah, the new sg stuff is annoying
2093. # [18:39] <ahal> froydnj: ics_armv7a_gecko
2094. # [18:39] <RyanVM> try: -b o -p ics_armv7a_gecko -u none -t none
2095. # [18:40] <spohl> I had a quick style question: how would I properly align and indent this code to respect the 80 character-per-line limitation? http://www.pastebin.mozilla.org/2413434
2096. # [18:40] <RyanVM> froydnj: you didn't use trychooser?
2097. # [18:40] <ahal> RyanVM: he forgot the 'a'
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2099. # [18:40] <froydnj> sigh
2100. # [18:40] <froydnj> RyanVM: *hangs head in shame*
2101. # [18:40] <@bz> spohl: I'd do http://www.pastebin.mozilla.org/2413446
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2104. # [18:41] <spohl> bz: thank you!
2105. # [18:41] <tbsaunde> ehsan: I know, my point was that's more evidence that dep building / clobbering is involved
2106. # [18:41] * froydnj pushes again
2107. # [18:42] <@ehsan> tbsaunde: yeah, for sure
2108. # [18:42] <RyanVM> jesup: bz: clobbers are coming in green
2109. # [18:42] <RyanVM> woowoo
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2111. # [18:42] <@bz> spohl: no problem
2112. # [18:42] <@bz> "yay"
2113. # [18:42] <@bz> also "wtf"
2114. # [18:42] <@bz> any time a clobber fixes a bug, "wtf"
2115. # [18:43] <RyanVM> bz: I'm just going to blame khuey|jfk-airport
2116. # [18:43] <RyanVM> :)
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2119. # [18:43] <@khuey|jfk-airport> I can hear you
2120. # [18:43] <edmorley> \o/
2121. # [18:43] <spohl> I noticed that clobbers sometimes fix bugs because GUIDs for interfaces weren't updated when a patch modified them.
2122. # [18:44] <RyanVM> khuey|jfk-airport: i'll whisper next time
2123. # [18:44] <@khuey|jfk-airport> ah, yes
2124. # [18:44] <@ehsan> spohl: yeah, I think we have a bug on file for that
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2126. # [18:44] <@khuey|jfk-airport> if you don't update teh uuid the packager gets confused
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2128. # [18:44] <spohl> ehsan: I figured that's a good thing, actually. :-)
2129. # [18:44] <@khuey|jfk-airport> it's telling you your patch has a bug ;-)
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2131. # [18:45] <@ehsan> spohl: no, it's terrible. you push to try, see everything is green, you push to inbound, and then you burn
2132. # [18:45] <RyanVM> jib ^
2133. # [18:45] <spohl> ehsan: true. I wish try was set up the same way.
2134. # [18:46] <spohl> ehsan: but I'm not sure hiding it on inbound would be good
2135. # [18:46] <jib> ryanvm: are we burning?
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2137. # [18:46] <RyanVM> not anymore
2138. # [18:46] <RyanVM> see khuey's note above
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2140. # [18:46] <RyanVM> we had needs-clobber bustage from your push
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2143. # [18:47] <RyanVM> mccr8: bust away
2144. # [18:47] <@ehsan> spohl: well the right thing to do is to make sure that we handle the idl changes properly in all types of builds
2145. # [18:47] <mccr8> RyanVM: woo, thanks!
2146. # [18:47] <tbsaunde> ehsan: how would you propose uuid isn't updated case properly in a clobber?
2147. # [18:48] <spohl> ehsan: you mean an error along the lines of: "you updated an interface, but failed to update the GUID"?
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2150. # [18:48] <@ehsan> tbsaunde: I don't remember the details of the bug exactly, but iirc the xpt linker assumes that if the uuid has not changed, then the interface has not changed
2151. # [18:48] <@ehsan> which is wrong
2152. # [18:48] <@ehsan> spohl: well, kind of
2153. # [18:49] <@ehsan> spohl: the thing that I'm talking about kicks in if you change something which doesn't affect the vtable
2154. # [18:49] <@ehsan> such as, a const, let's say, in the IDL
2155. # [18:49] <@khuey|jfk-airport> meh
2156. # [18:49] <@khuey|jfk-airport> it's good hygiene
2157. # [18:49] <@ehsan> that way the dep build will not get the new const value
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2159. # [18:49] <@ehsan> khuey|jfk-airport: do you remmeber the bug that I'm talking about?
2160. # [18:50] <@khuey|jfk-airport> ehsan: are you asking if I remember the existence of the bug? or the bug #?
2161. # [18:50] <spohl> ehsan: I see. I was in the situation where the vtable changed, but didn't get caught until it was pushed to inbound. but once there, I was glad it failed.
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2163. # [18:50] <spohl> ehsan: I guess try clobbered the build while inbound didn't.
2164. # [18:50] <@ehsan> khuey|jfk-airport: the latter
2165. # [18:50] <@khuey|jfk-airport> ehsan: no
2166. # [18:50] <@ehsan> spohl: yeah that's different
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2168. # [18:51] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/ae494c31aab2 - Nathan Froyd - Bug 871578 - don't include AccessCheck.h in bindings unless necessary; r=bz
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2170. # [18:51] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/1f6740440eaa - Nathan Froyd - Bug 871578 - don't include nsContentUtils.h in bindings unless necessary; r=bz
2171. # [18:51] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/cba05b3ed149 - Nathan Froyd - Bug 871595 - don't include WrapperFactory.h in AccessCheck.h; r=bholley
2172. # [18:51] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/cba13f787578 - Nathan Froyd - Bug 873493 - add lldb to the list of known debuggers; r=jmaher
2173. # [18:51] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/bbdc152f3fbf - Nathan Froyd - Bug 873479 - fix BindingUtils.h to compile with GCC 4.4 in non-C++0x mode; r=bz
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2175. # [18:52] <@ehsan> froydnj: do you use lldb?
2176. # [18:52] <jib> ryanvm: can you give me a tl;dr - I changed all the uuids on the apis that changed. What should I have done differently?
2177. # [18:52] <RyanVM> jib: 302 khuey|jfk-airport
2178. # [18:53] <froydnj> ehsan: have been using it a bit, thought it would do better on C++ than the ancient GDB apple ships
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2180. # [18:53] <@ehsan> froydnj: is that on mac?
2181. # [18:53] <froydnj> ehsan: yes
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2183. # [18:53] <@ehsan> cool
2184. # [18:53] <@ehsan> how has your experience been?
2185. # [18:53] <jib> ryanvm: what's 302? I'm using Colloquy
2186. # [18:53] <RyanVM> redirect? :)
2187. # [18:53] <jib> :-)
2188. # [18:54] <@khuey|jfk-airport> if you changed the uuids then idk what's wrong
2189. # [18:54] <@khuey|jfk-airport> I didn't look at the patch
2190. # [18:54] <froydnj> its commands seem a bit more verbose than GDB, it's possible I haven't discovered the proper aliases yet
2191. # [18:54] <@khuey|jfk-airport> somebody said that's what was wrong
2192. # [18:55] <froydnj> but I haven't done much other than set breakpoints and poke at some memory and disassembly
2193. # [18:55] <@ehsan> froydnj: any compelling features?
2194. # [18:56] <froydnj> ehsan: it's a lot newer than gdb 6.3 is about all I've found so far :)
2195. # [18:56] <@ehsan> ok, thanks!
2196. # [18:56] <bjacob> sewardj: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Debugging_Mozilla_with_Valgrind still says it's mandatory to disable jemalloc, is that really still current?
2197. # [18:57] <jib> khuey: so what's the tl;dr on lesson learned? Should I have forced clobber in the patch? whenever uuids change?
2198. # [18:57] <@gavin> no
2199. # [18:57] <@gavin> you should never force clobber anything and we should abolish force clobbering
2200. # [18:57] <jib> ok
2201. # [18:58] <@gavin> but more seriously, interface changes shouldn't require clobbers and when thy do you should file a bug and let me know about it so that I can go over to gps' house and yell wildly at him
2202. # [18:58] <froydnj> video or it didn't happen
2203. # [18:58] <jib> gavin: the patch modified the codegen as well, so maybe that's why
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2206. # [18:59] <jib> the webidl parser
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2208. # [19:00] <@gavin> sounds potentially more acceptable
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2210. # [19:00] <@gavin> yet still worthy of inducing anger and discomfort
2211. # [19:00] <@ehsan> froydnj: see http://blog.llvm.org/2011/04/regular-expression-commands.html on the command verbosity :)
2212. # [19:01] <jib> compiler
2213. # [19:01] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/8c5fe18e0d4e - Kushagra Sinha - Bug 870622 - Unexpected Unix error when filename is not defined. Typechecking for |writeAtomic| function. r=yoric
2214. # [19:01] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/6fbf2f955014 - Wes Johnston - Bug 872504 - Update xml files missed by bug 833625. r=mleibovic
2215. # [19:01] <@ehsan> froydnj: I wonder if somebody has a gdb compat lldbinit file somewhere?
2216. # [19:01] <gabor> gavin: I had an issue with that... changing an idl and needed a clobber on _some_ platforms... will file a bug about it then
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2218. # [19:01] <froydnj> ehsan: I wouldn't be too surprised if somebody does
2219. # [19:01] <@ehsan> froydnj: https://github.com/bsmt/lldbinit is a start
2220. # [19:02] <@ehsan> froydnj: heck, we should just add one to the tree, next to out gdbinit :)
2221. # [19:02] <@ehsan> *our
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2224. # [19:03] <froydnj> ISTR lldb having python support, seems like that'd be a lot easier than some regex matching
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2228. # [19:03] <@ehsan> froydnj: yeah.. also think about pretty printers for our data structurs etc
2229. # [19:03] <@ehsan> no more ptarray and ps \o/
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2231. # [19:04] <froydnj> thought our gdb pretty-printing code already made those obsolete
2232. # [19:05] <froydnj> maybe not
2233. # [19:05] <@ehsan> we don't have such a thing on mac ;)
2234. # [19:05] <@ehsan> mac's gdb lacks python bindings
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2236. # [19:05] <froydnj> ah, right, old gdb
2237. # [19:05] <@ehsan> yes
2238. # [19:06] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/5d08f867dc52 - Andrew McCreight - Bug 866429 - Simplify shutdown cycle collections. r=smaug
2239. # [19:06] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/3a50323631c8 - Andrew McCreight - Bug 865320 - Move the logic for deciding when to doing a merging CC into the cycle collector. r=smaug
2240. # [19:06] <@khuey|jfk-airport> ugh I bet you just bitrotted my patches
2241. # [19:06] <till> froydnj, ehsan: the gdb available via Homebrew supports pretty printers
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2243. # [19:07] <till> Sadly, it crashes when calling even the simplest getter, for me
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2245. # [19:07] <@ehsan> till: I've tried the fsf gdb on mac a few times, and it has never worked well for me
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2247. # [19:07] <@ehsan> till: jdm was working on that for a while iirc
2248. # [19:07] * jdm perks up
2249. # [19:07] <@ehsan> not sure if that ever started to work reliably
2250. # [19:07] <jdm> ah yes
2251. # [19:07] <jdm> no, I never got it working correctly
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2253. # [19:08] <@ehsan> lldb is the future, forget gdb :P
2254. # [19:08] <till> ehsan: I gave up after jimb told me that I should just go and use lldb
2255. # [19:08] <till> heh
2256. # [19:08] <@ehsan> right choice!
2257. # [19:08] <jib> ehsan: sarcasm or yay lldb?
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2259. # [19:09] <@ehsan> jib: no sarcasm!
2260. # [19:09] <jib> cool
2261. # [19:09] <@ehsan> jib: apple has zero interest to make gdb work well on mac
2262. # [19:09] <till> lldb is pretty cool
2263. # [19:09] <@ehsan> jib: and word on the street is that the next xcode will remove both gcc and gdb completely
2264. # [19:09] <@ehsan> so you might consider that a hint ;)
2265. # [19:09] <till> I looked into porting the pretty printers. Shouldn't be too hard, but is some work.
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2267. # [19:10] <@ehsan> till: do let me know if you ever do that, please!
2268. # [19:10] <till> ehsan: certainly
2269. # [19:10] * @ehsan should try lldb again
2270. # [19:10] <@ehsan> last I tried it could debug ls
2271. # [19:10] <@ehsan> but not firefo
2272. # [19:10] <@ehsan> *firefox
2273. # [19:10] <@ehsan> and I tend to debug firefox more than ls...
2274. # [19:10] <jib> ehsan: glad I'm not the only one using xcode
2275. # [19:11] <@ehsan> jib: I don't use xcode :P
2276. # [19:11] <till> ehsan: *ls*, or js?
2277. # [19:11] <@ehsan> till: /bin/ls :)
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2279. # [19:11] <till> interesting :)
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2281. # [19:11] <till> It works for the js shell, too
2282. # [19:11] <jesup> RyanVM: back
2283. # [19:11] <jesup> RyanVM: did the clobber work?
2284. # [19:11] <RyanVM> yep
2285. # [19:12] <@ehsan> till: well, I trust you guys not putting bugs in the js engine, so debugging js would be pointless anyways ;)
2286. # [19:12] <jesup> ratzen-fracken-#(&#
2287. # [19:12] <@ehsan> (sarcasm!)
2288. # [19:12] <till> ehsan: good point!
2289. # [19:12] * till never actually had to debug anything. Ever.
2290. # [19:12] <@ehsan> till: but seriously froydnj tells me lldb now works on firefox itself as well
2291. # [19:12] <till> nice!
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2295. # [19:13] <jesup> cancelled all my remainign try jobs
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2297. # [19:13] <jib> Xcode works pretty well with our tree and gives you an lldb prompt in the debugger by default (you can switch to gdb if you want)
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2314. # [19:22] <Optimizer> like from 2-3 days .
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2364. # [19:56] <evilpie> 1:09.55 File "/home/tom/Desktop/e10s/toolkit/library/dependentlibs.py", line 127, in main
2365. # [19:56] <evilpie> 1:09.55 assert(ext == '.dll')
2366. # [19:56] <evilpie> is that something that occurred on trunk?
2367. # [19:56] <gustavold> hi terrence, is there anything else you need to get the patch from bug 840242 committed?
2368. # [19:56] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/4b3f1fe5c097 - Gregory Szorc - Bug 860957 - Support for invoking non-recursive targets during partial tree builds; r=glandium
2369. # [19:56] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/d14e9efe0b00 - Gregory Szorc - Bug 848530 - Check for moz.build traversal at top of build; r=glandium
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2380. # [19:59] <armenzg> edmorley: philor RyanVM I have enabled Windows XP on iX for m-i, try and cedar - I will disable the builders for now
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2383. # [20:00] <armenzg> I need a lot of load to catch bad slaves (even though these machines seem to behave better than Win7 machines on iX)
2384. # [20:00] <terrence> gustavold: do you have a spare week you could loan me?
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2386. # [20:00] <gustavold> terrence: sure I have
2387. # [20:00] <gustavold> =)
2388. # [20:00] <terrence> gustavold: I just need to do the thing...
2389. # [20:01] <terrence> gustavold: do you need it in 25?
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2391. # [20:01] <gustavold> terrence: I understand
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2393. # [20:01] <gustavold> terrence: I've been backporting that patch since mozilla-18
2394. # [20:01] <gustavold> terrence: I'm doing it now for mozilla-21
2395. # [20:01] <terrence> gustavold: :-)
2396. # [20:01] <gustavold> I just want to make sure I will stop backporting it some time in the future
2397. # [20:01] <terrence> gustavold: thanks for your patience! I'll try to have it in by the time mozilla25 uplifts
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2399. # [20:02] <RyanVM> Mossop: should I hold off on pushing the pdf.js update based on your comments?
2400. # [20:02] <gustavold> terrence: I know you must have a big pile of stuff to be done in front of your and I really appreciate your help
2401. # [20:02] <RyanVM> dammit, that's twice I've been hit by "Farewell Ryan" in my inbox today
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2404. # [20:03] <Mossop> RyanVM: Should wait for a response yes
2405. # [20:03] <RyanVM> argh
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2410. # [20:04] <Mossop> edmorley: bholley mentioned yesterday that stacks from crashes were probably a requirement for test suites on tbpl, might want to add that to your wiki page
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2424. # [20:09] <jwir3> RyanVM: haha that sucks
2425. # [20:10] <jwir3> RyanVM: Like an email saying "well, we've had enough of you, RyanVM, so goodbye"
2426. # [20:10] <jwir3> only twice lol
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2430. # [20:11] <RyanVM> jwir3: yeah, it's good for a quick WTF :)
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2436. # [20:14] <jesup> I forget, who needs to give ba= for beta? (internal-only IDL change)
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2438. # [20:16] <jwir3> jesup: usually either bajaj or akeybl
2439. # [20:16] <jwir3> jesup: sometimes lsblakk, but I think lsblakk is on vacation or at io or something
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2443. # [20:18] <bajaj> jesup: can you please nominate for approval-mozilla-beta and we should clear that in our triage this afternoon..
2444. # [20:18] <jesup> bajaj: ok, but it's already beta+'d
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2446. # [20:18] <bajaj> so landing away then ?
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2448. # [20:19] <jesup> ok, I just need to add the ba= then. thanks
2449. # [20:19] <@bsmedberg> Is there a "mach allthetestsin extensions/cookie" ?
2450. # [20:19] <@bsmedberg> jesup: internal-only? heh
2451. # [20:19] <@bsmedberg> what IDL?
2452. # [20:20] <jesup> IPeerConnection.idl - used only by PeerConnection.js
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2455. # [20:20] <gps> bsmedberg: not yet. we need an accurate way to identify what flavor tests are first
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2457. # [20:21] <gps> that's coming between jmaher's consistent directory naming patch and moving mochitests to manifests
2458. # [20:21] <jmaher> gps: but nobody likes that
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2461. # [20:21] <gps> jmaher: which part?
2462. # [20:21] <jmaher> gps: clean directories
2463. # [20:21] <@bsmedberg> moving them all to subdirs
2464. # [20:21] <jesup> and yes, checking - I did flag the UUID change in the approval requests
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2466. # [20:22] <jmaher> gps: btw, I have a manifest solution in ted's review queue, that would put us on the fast path to manifesting
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2468. # [20:22] <gps> why are all the great patches always in Ted's review queue ;)
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2470. # [20:22] <jesup> and akeybl agreed, so we're good
2471. # [20:22] <@bsmedberg> jesup: so there's no realistic chance that the realplayer browser record extension is using IPeerConnection from C++ code?
2472. # [20:23] <jmaher> gps: you can take it out if yo uwant
2473. # [20:23] <eeejay> is there a way to get the css pixel ratio without css media queries?
2474. # [20:23] <jmaher> gps: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=868158
2475. # [20:23] <eeejay> wu.getResolution() does not do that
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2477. # [20:25] <jesup> bsmedberg: I certainly hope not! As 22 will be the first version with PeerConnection preffed on at all... and given the spec is still under major change, relying on the supporting internal interfaces would be a really bad idea
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2479. # [20:25] <@bsmedberg> jesup: well, they already do plenty of things that are a really bad idea. But in this case it doesn't sound like a problem.
2480. # [20:25] <jesup> And we just landed patches on inbound to convert it all to webidl...
2481. # [20:25] <eeejay> devicePixelRatio!
2482. # [20:26] <@bsmedberg> It's amusing that webidl is the thing that's really going to save us from XPCOM binary compat headaches.
2483. # [20:26] <@bsmedberg> a few more releases and we can just remove binary components altogether.
2484. # [20:27] <@bz> Who knows our devicestorage stuff?
2485. # [20:27] <@ted> heh
2486. # [20:28] <@bz> seriously
2487. # [20:28] <@bz> If I wanted to make a slight API change in edge cases, say
2488. # [20:28] <@bz> who do I talk to?
2489. # [20:28] * @bsmedberg discovers that mach xpcshell-tests in a subdirectory doesn't run just that directory's tests
2490. # [20:29] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/42004cbf8fb5 - Randell Jesup - Bug 864255: Move more of PeerConnectionMedia shutdown to occur synchronously r=ekr ba=akeybl
2491. # [20:29] <@gavin> bsmedberg: you mean it goes deeper?
2492. # [20:29] <@ted> bsmedberg: hm, that's unfortunate
2493. # [20:29] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/a9497c55df4b - Randell Jesup - Bug 864255: fix mediapipeline_unittests to match new assertion r=ekr ba=akeybl
2494. # [20:29] <RyanVM> bz: dhylands maybe?
2495. # [20:29] <@gavin> I kind of expect that
2496. # [20:29] <nalexander> bsmedberg: I think |mach xpcshell-tests .| does what you want.
2497. # [20:29] <@bsmedberg> gavin: no it goes up to the toplevel and runs all the tests
2498. # [20:29] <tbsaunde> bz: dougt ?
2499. # [20:29] <@gavin> bsmedberg: oh, I misread. when you don't specify a path explcitly
2500. # [20:29] <@gavin> yeah ok
2501. # [20:30] <@bsmedberg> yeah, I assumed that it would assume the current directory
2502. # [20:30] <@bsmedberg> chains of assumptions are bad
2503. # [20:30] <@bsmedberg> nalexander: you are correct
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2505. # [20:30] <nalexander> Huzzah!
2506. # [20:31] <gps> mach xpcshell-test will recurse into child directories looking for xpcshell.ini if the specified directory does not contain an xpcshell.ini
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2508. # [20:32] <@gavin> gps: we're talking about the case where you don't specify a directory
2509. # [20:32] <@gavin> it does not default to cwd
2510. # [20:32] <@gavin> it defaults to top level
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2513. # [20:33] <@bz> RyanVM, tbsaunde: thanks
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2515. # [20:33] <dhylands> bz: in a meeting can talk about device storage soon
2516. # [20:34] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/5c4392f60d58 - Till Schneidereit - Bug 871857 - Only expose the Shell function getSelfHostedValue if MOZ_SELFHOSTEDJS is set. r=jwalden
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2520. # [20:36] <@bz> dhylands: ok, let me know
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2523. # [20:36] <dhylands> bz: just got off the phone - so what would you like to know
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2525. # [20:37] <@bz> dhylands: hey
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2528. # [20:37] <@bz> dhylands: so this test:
2529. # [20:37] <@bz> 49 throws = false;
2530. # [20:37] <@bz> 50 try {
2531. # [20:37] <@bz> 51 var cursor = storage.enumerate("string", {"since": 1});
2532. # [20:37] <@bz> 52 } catch(e) {throws = true}
2533. # [20:37] <@bz> 53 ok(!throws, "enumerate a string and object parameter");
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2535. # [20:37] <@bz> dhylands: in the C++ code the "since" there is ignored
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2537. # [20:37] <@bz> dhylands: unless it's a Date object
2538. # [20:38] <@bz> dhylands: so I'm trying to figure out whether we purposefully silently ignore non-Date input
2539. # [20:38] <@bz> dhylands: or whether the test has just diverged from the code
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2541. # [20:38] <dhylands> bz: Thats a good question
2542. # [20:39] <dhylands> bz: I haven't used that particular feature. Let me take a look at the code
2543. # [20:39] <@bz> dhylands: because I'm trying to recast the code to use WebIDL, and if I just declare this as a dictionary with Date then of course it throws on 1
2544. # [20:39] <@bz> dhylands: the code is ... nonsense, fwiw
2545. # [20:39] <@bz> - if (NS_SUCCEEDED(rv) && !JSVAL_IS_VOID(params.since) && !params.since.isNull() && params.since.isObject()) {
2546. # [20:39] <@bz> e.g. isObject() implies !isNull() and !IS_VOID()
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2549. # [20:40] <@bz> dhylands: but ignoring that, basically it silently ignores anything that's not a valid date
2550. # [20:40] <@bz> dhylands: which seems like slightly odd behavior, honestly
2551. # [20:40] <dhylands> bz: indeed
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2553. # [20:41] <dhylands> bz: So I just took a look at the gaia mediadb which uses it, and it passes in a "new Date(timestamp)"
2554. # [20:42] <dhylands> bz: It seems perfectly reasonable to me to require it to be a date, especially since that's what the code does, and to treat other non-sensical things as errors
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2556. # [20:42] <dhylands> bz: So I'd say the test was probably flawed
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2558. # [20:43] <@bz> dhylands: awesome
2559. # [20:43] <@bz> dhylands: one last question
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2561. # [20:43] <@bz> dhylands: should a Date with a NaN timestamp throw or get ignored?
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2563. # [20:43] <@bz> dhylands: (That would have to be done in the C++, not the binding; just want to know whether it should be done)
2564. # [20:44] <dhylands> bz: I honestly don't have an opinion. I see that the code does both things for different types of errors. Wouldn't that be more upto the Date class?
2565. # [20:44] <@bz> dhylands: well, so
2566. # [20:45] <@bz> dhylands: this code is trying to extract a PRTime
2567. # [20:45] <@bz> dhylands: if a date has a NaN timestamp...
2568. # [20:45] * @bz goes to check what happens when you assign NaN to a uint64_t
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2573. # [20:46] <dhylands> bz: yeah - I mean what does that mean? You could probably interpret NaN several different ways. I'd be happy to say you get undefined behaviour :) (C seems to be famous for that)
2574. # [20:46] <@bz> dhylands: undefined behavior is really not ok for web apis. ;)
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2577. # [20:46] <@bz> dhylands: I mean, you could interpret it in different ways, but the question is how this particular API should do it.
2578. # [20:47] <dhylands> bz: So I'd be happy to be consistent with however other APIs deal with this
2579. # [20:48] <@bz> I don't know that other APIs do anything with dates yet in the web platform
2580. # [20:48] <@bz> it's a brave new thing
2581. # [20:48] <@bz> I mean, input has a valueAsDate
2582. # [20:48] <@bz> which sets value to "" on NaN dates
2583. # [20:49] <@bz> but it's not trying to get a timestamp out
2584. # [20:49] <@bz> fwiw, assigning NaN directly to uint64_t is almost certainly not what we want
2585. # [20:49] * @bz gets 9223372036854775808
2586. # [20:49] <@bz> ok
2587. # [20:49] <@bz> I guess I'll just keep current behavior in that case
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2589. # [20:50] <dhylands> bz: I don't have enough JS background to know which one is easier to deal with. It is an async api, so it seems like everybody will have onerror. But looking at the code, it would be a whole lot easier to return an error code, which translates into a throw
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2593. # [20:51] <@bz> dhylands: So here's what the code looks like in my tree right now:
2594. # [20:52] <@bz> if (params.mSince.WasPassed() && !params.mSince.Value().IsUndefined()) {
2595. # [20:52] <@bz> *aTime = params.mSince.Value().TimeStamp();
2596. # [20:52] <@bz> } else {
2597. # [20:52] <@bz> *aTime = 0;
2598. # [20:52] <@bz> }
2599. # [20:52] <@bz> That treats NaN date as 0, just like it treats there not being a "since" at all
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2601. # [20:53] <@bz> It would be easy to throw an error, for sure
2602. # [20:53] <dhylands> bz: and to be quite truthful, I'm happy with that too. It's well defined and you can easily document it
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2605. # [20:53] <dhylands> ba: happy with what you coded
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2611. # [20:54] <@bz> dhylands: great, thanks
2612. # [20:55] <quaddle> Hi people! I'm developing a plugin and I need some files created by my plugin can be edited by the default text editor. Can you give me a clue about how to do? Or what to read about?
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2615. # [20:56] <dhylands> bz: happy to help :)
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2646. # [21:10] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/23741f85220a - Jeff Walden - Bug 872853 - Move StringToNumberType into jsnum.cpp, now that it's not used anywhere else, and remove jsnuminlines.h. r=evilpie
2647. # [21:10] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/8ed13280c811 - Jeff Walden - Bug 872853 - Make +"0x" evaluate to NaN. r=evilpie
2648. # [21:10] <jwalden> hmm, that tree looks unhappy
2649. # [21:10] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/23d6197df2dd - Jeff Walden - Bug 649570 - |delete window.NaN| should be a TypeError. This got fixed...sometime. Add a a test so we don't regress this in the future. r=sparky
2650. # [21:10] <till> To whom it may concern: looking into the bustage now
2651. # [21:10] * openjck|lunch is now known as openjck
2652. # [21:11] <philor> till: infra, not your bustage
2653. # [21:12] <till> philor: whew, thanks!
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2656. # [21:14] <RyanVM> till: I had my nastygram all ready to go too
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2658. # [21:15] <till> RyanVM: sorry for the missed opportunity
2659. # [21:15] <RyanVM> till: It's OK, I'm sure I'll get to use it at some point :)
2660. # [21:16] <RyanVM> philor: err, shouldn't the infra issues be sorted out?
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2662. # [21:16] <philor> RyanVM: for "started 12:04" or later, should be
2663. # [21:16] * mdas is now known as mdas|afk
2664. # [21:16] <RyanVM> then we've still got problems
2665. # [21:17] <philor> yep
2666. # [21:17] <RyanVM> re-closed
2667. # [21:18] * jwalden does a success-kid
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2675. # [21:23] <jwalden> http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/37916394.jpg
2676. # [21:24] <jwalden> coming to a mozillamemes near you
2677. # [21:25] <gary> well,how is the google summer of code going?does the result come out?
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2680. # [21:26] <till> http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/37916539.jpg
2681. # [21:26] <catlee> is there a way to interrupt firefox when it's gone off into an infinite loop in js?
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2683. # [21:27] <WeirdAl> jwalden: is there a meme for waiting six weeks (or eighteen months) for a code review?
2684. # [21:27] <RyanVM> till: hah
2685. # [21:27] <quaddle> Hi people! I'm developing a plugin and I need some files created by my plugin can be edited by the default text editor. Can you give me a clue about how to do? Or what to read about?
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2687. # [21:28] <nalexander> quaddle: I think #jetpack will be better for this question.
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2689. # [21:29] <quaddle> Thanks nalexander
2690. # [21:29] <quaddle> !
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2693. # [21:30] <jwalden> WeirdAl: dunno
2694. # [21:31] <WeirdAl> jwalden: (actually I need a meme for writing patches for the least loved parts of our tree - that's probably why reviews take forever)
2695. # [21:31] * jwalden recommends nobody write RDF patches ;-)
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2699. # [21:32] <till> WeirdAl: I'd recommend http://memegenerator.net/Too-Damn-High
2700. # [21:33] <WeirdAl> nah, my mood isn't one of outrage ;)
2701. # [21:33] * @bsmedberg really wishes there were a way to make `mach build` always mean `mach build .`
2702. # [21:34] <gaston> jcranmer|away: fwiw, configure on c-c still fails for me with ' raise Preprocessor.Error(self, 'FILE_NOT_FOUND', str(args))' :)
2703. # [21:34] <patrickg> mach() { if [ $# -eq 1 -a "$1" = "build" ]; then mach build .; else \mach $*; fi; } # or something like that?
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2707. # [21:35] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/c3b24901a518 - Jonathan Griffin - Bug 869536 - Make Marionette use its own tab on Firefox, r=mdas
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2712. # [21:40] <Mossop> bholley: Is the code here likely to crash on windows too?
2713. # [21:40] <Mossop> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=ee6d6f4fe8ae
2714. # [21:40] <bholley> Mossop: not sure. I ended up fix those crashes
2715. # [21:41] <bholley> Mossop: I wouldn't use it as any reliable metric
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2718. # [21:42] <Mossop> Ok, maybe I'll just insert a null pointer call somewhere
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2745. # [22:03] <@bz> virtual void trace(JSTracer *trc) MOZ_OVERRIDE {
2746. # [22:03] <@bz> this->TraceDictionary(trc);
2747. # [22:03] <@bz> }
2748. # [22:03] <@bz> Why am I having to do the this-> thing?
2749. # [22:03] <@bz> Without that, clang goes:
2750. # [22:03] <@bz> ../../../dist/include/mozilla/dom/BindingUtils.h:1818:5: error: use of undeclared identifier 'TraceDictionary'
2751. # [22:03] <@bz> TraceDictionary(trc);
2752. # [22:03] <@bz> My class looks like this:
2753. # [22:03] <@bz> template<typename T>
2754. # [22:03] <@bz> class MOZ_STACK_CLASS RootedDictionary : public T,
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2756. # [22:04] <@bz> And the instantiation has a TraceDictionary on T
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2761. # [22:07] <froydnj> bz: welcome to C++'s name lookup rules
2762. # [22:08] <@bz> froydnj: mmm
2763. # [22:08] <@bz> froydnj: Is the problem being a template?
2764. # [22:08] <@bz> froydnj: or inheriting from something that depends on the template parameters?
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2766. # [22:10] <froydnj> bz: who is defining TraceDictionary here?
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2768. # [22:11] <@bz> froydnj: T
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2770. # [22:11] <@bz> froydnj: So this would typically get used like:
2771. # [22:12] <@bz> RootedDictionary<SomeDictionaryClass> dict(cx);
2772. # [22:12] <@bz> and then SomeDictionaryClass has a TraceDictionary
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2776. # [22:12] <@ehsan> bz: it is because of the template, since the compiler doesn't know it's supposed to look at the scope of T before it fully instantiates the template
2777. # [22:12] <@bz> Gotcha
2778. # [22:12] * @bz throws in the this-> and moves on
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2780. # [22:13] * @bz is writing too many templates recently
2781. # [22:13] <froydnj> yeah, that
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2784. # [22:13] <@bz> templates, and python code generating templates
2785. # [22:13] <@bz> and mixing and matching of the two
2786. # [22:13] <@ehsan> bz: fwiw, it's not you, it's C++
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2788. # [22:13] <froydnj> a slightly more spelled-out explanation: http://eli.thegreenplace.net/2012/02/06/dependent-name-lookup-for-c-templates/ (courtesty Waldo)
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2790. # [22:13] <@bz> So now I've got python code making some choices, and the C++ compiler doing some choices
2791. # [22:13] <@bz> and then maybe some runtime polymorphism
2792. # [22:13] <@bz> and the upshot is that I have no idea whether this code works. ;)
2793. # [22:14] * @bz really needs to step through it in a debugger and make sure the right methods end up getting invoked
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2796. # [22:14] <@ehsan> lol
2797. # [22:14] <@bz> Seriously
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2799. # [22:14] <froydnj> why debugger? just look at the assembly
2800. # [22:14] <@bz> froydnj: lol
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2804. # [22:15] <@bz> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/dom/bindings/BindingUtils.h#1688
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2806. # [22:15] <@bz> I'm fairly certain that I manage to invoke those methods
2807. # [22:15] <@bz> with some T
2808. # [22:15] <@ehsan> bz: the best part is that once you're done, you will be the only person understanding this code ;)
2809. # [22:16] <@bz> well, peterv reviewed
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2812. # [22:16] * @bz is about 70% sure they get the right T
2813. # [22:16] <@ehsan> bz: yes you can, since the compiler needs to instantiate SeuqenceTraces<T> first
2814. # [22:16] <@ehsan> and then it knows what members that class has
2815. # [22:16] <@bz> and then they invoke SequenceTracer<T>::TraceSequence
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2817. # [22:16] <@bz> And I _think_ I got those templates right
2818. # [22:17] <@bz> such that they should do the right thing
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2820. # [22:17] <@ehsan> most likely
2821. # [22:17] <@ehsan> but who can say? ;)
2822. # [22:17] <@bz> And in particular, I _think_ the one that does no tracing should fail to compile
2823. # [22:17] <@bz> Lacking a TraceSequence method
2824. # [22:17] <@bz> and the other ones _should_ fail to compile if called on the wrong types
2825. # [22:17] <@ehsan> oh for sure
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2827. # [22:18] <@bz> I think
2828. # [22:18] <@ehsan> you can't instantiate a template unless the names in its body can be fully qualified
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2830. # [22:18] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/43872f1bfbda - David Zbarsky - Bug 864206 - Use dom::Touch instead of nsIDOMTouch where possible r=Ms2ger
2831. # [22:18] <@bz> But the whole thing gives me the wiggles
2832. # [22:18] <@ehsan> you can write code which relies on this, i.e., to select a proper partial specialization, for example
2833. # [22:18] <@ehsan> why?
2834. # [22:19] <@bz> because it's too complicated for me to really reason about.
2835. # [22:19] <@ehsan> this is a very common technique
2836. # [22:19] <jdm> feh, I must now choose between two tasks about which I am equally stumped
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2838. # [22:19] <@bz> ehsan: yes
2839. # [22:19] <@ehsan> I think there's an idiom with a name based on it
2840. # [22:19] * @ehsan doesn't know what that name would be though!
2841. # [22:19] <@bz> ehsan: I still claim it's too complicated to reason about!
2842. # [22:19] <@ehsan> bz: well, no arguments on that!
2843. # [22:19] <@ehsan> bz: it just shouldn't worry you
2844. # [22:19] <@ehsan> that's all!
2845. # [22:20] <@bz> lol
2846. # [22:20] <@ehsan> (once you get it working, of course!)
2847. # [22:20] <@ehsan> :D
2848. # [22:20] <@bz> So your claim is that having a pile of code that's too complicated too reason about is just par for the course in browser engine development and I should make my peace with that?
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2850. # [22:20] <@bz> I buy that claim, but not happily. ;)
2851. # [22:20] <tbsaunde> "I have no idea how this code works but it seems to so I'm not concerned at all it could be wrong"
2852. # [22:21] <@ehsan> bz: hehe
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2854. # [22:21] <@ehsan> bz: here let me show you some code that I wrote
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2856. # [22:21] <@ehsan> which I don't fully understand ;)
2857. # [22:21] <tbsaunde> bz: or maybe par for thecourse in C++ template meta programming
2858. # [22:21] <@ehsan> bz: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/content/media/AudioEventTimeline.h#255
2859. # [22:21] <@bz> tbsaunde: I would be less worried if the cost of a mistake here were not gc hazards. ;)
2860. # [22:21] <@ehsan> see mEvents[i].template Time<TimeType>() there? ;)
2861. # [22:21] <@ehsan> hope this makes you feel better!
2862. # [22:22] <@bz> er...
2863. # [22:22] <@bz> what does that even mean?
2864. # [22:22] <@ehsan> heh
2865. # [22:22] * froydnj discovered the necessity of that the other day
2866. # [22:22] <@ehsan> it means call the Time() template member and instantiate it with TimeType
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2869. # [22:22] <@bz> Well, yes
2870. # [22:22] <@ehsan> or something along those lines ;)
2871. # [22:22] <@bz> but why do you need the "template" bit?
2872. # [22:22] <@ehsan> this is also a result of dependent name lookup
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2874. # [22:23] <@ehsan> because the name Time depends on the template argument this class is instantiated with!
2875. # [22:23] <@ehsan> or something like that ;)
2876. # [22:23] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/242121889ccd - Shane Caraveo - Bug 862314 - Prevent double install of providers. r=markh, a=akeybl
2877. # [22:23] <@bz> and who came up with syntax that allows " " in the thing between the '.' and the '(' that's not inside <> ?
2878. # [22:23] <@bz> ehsan: ergh
2879. # [22:23] <@ehsan> bz: Bjarne Stroustrup!
2880. # [22:23] <@bz> ehsan: I will remember that for when I get a weird compile error
2881. # [22:23] <@bz> ehsan: wait, wait
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2883. # [22:24] <@bz> ehsan: so Time is a template of "this"?
2884. # [22:24] <@ehsan> bz: in this class clang just tells you "stick a 'template' in here"!
2885. # [22:24] <froydnj> clang will at least tell you that you need |template| there
2886. # [22:24] <@bz> ehsan: so sometimes this calls mEvents[i].Foo()
2887. # [22:24] <@ehsan> yes
2888. # [22:24] <@bz> And sometimes mEvents[i].Bar() ?
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2890. # [22:24] * @bz looks up the class decl
2891. # [22:24] <@ehsan> bz: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/content/media/AudioEventTimeline.h#83
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2893. # [22:25] <@ehsan> I instantiate this with both double and int64_t
2894. # [22:25] <@bz> ok
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2896. # [22:25] <@bz> so the method is always called Time
2897. # [22:25] <@ehsan> yes
2898. # [22:25] <@bz> alright
2899. # [22:25] <@bz> that part is sane....
2900. # [22:25] <@ehsan> according to us humans
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2902. # [22:25] <@ehsan> the compiler sees two names though
2903. # [22:25] <jwir3> if I want to get a patch uplifted to b2g18 because it's a prereq for another patch that already has b2g18: leo+, what flag should I add to the patch?
2904. # [22:25] <@bz> well
2905. # [22:26] <@ehsan> and without that template there it can't know what the name would be
2906. # [22:26] <@bz> so in theory there is a Time for every possible return type
2907. # [22:26] <@ehsan> correct
2908. # [22:26] <@bz> so when you invoke it you have to do Time<Foo>()
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2910. # [22:26] <@bz> That part is all cool by me
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2912. # [22:26] <@bz> But why do you have to say ".template"? ;)
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2915. # [22:27] <@ehsan> bz: because < is also a comparison operator!
2916. # [22:27] <@ehsan> so the compiler doesn't know where your name "ends"
2917. # [22:27] <@bz> aha!
2918. # [22:27] <@bz> OK, now it makes sense
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2920. # [22:27] <@ehsan> i.e., whether it's Time or Time<TimeType>
2921. # [22:27] <@bz> Ok, so that's at least a good reason
2922. # [22:27] <@bz> right
2923. # [22:27] <@ehsan> man, this will make an *excellent* interview question :P
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2925. # [22:27] * @bz would totally fail a Mozilla interview
2926. # [22:27] <@ehsan> bz: sorry, you don't get to keep your job!
2927. # [22:28] <@bz> Good thing I never had to do one. ;)
2928. # [22:28] <@ehsan> hehe
2929. # [22:28] <quaddle> Hi people! I'm developing an addon and I need some files created by my plugin can be edited by the default text editor. Can you give me a clue about how to do? Or what to read about?
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2934. # [22:29] <kanru> jwir3: ask leo? for it
2935. # [22:29] <jwir3> kanru: thx
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2939. # [22:30] * @bz does add this to his interview question file.
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2941. # [22:30] * froydnj makes a note to not be interviewed by ehsan or bz
2942. # [22:31] <@ehsan> bz: please don't, I was kidding!
2943. # [22:31] <@bz> It's ok
2944. # [22:31] <@bz> I only do phone screens
2945. # [22:31] <@bz> and this is not a reasonable question for a phone screen
2946. # [22:31] <@ehsan> bz: I would fail to give a non-hand-wavy answer to this myself!
2947. # [22:31] <@bz> needs a whiteboard
2948. # [22:31] <@ehsan> and I really like my job!
2949. # [22:31] <@bz> Just to describe the question
2950. # [22:31] <@ehsan> hehe
2951. # [22:31] <@ehsan> well
2952. # [22:31] <@ehsan> you could ask it in the following manner:
2953. # [22:32] <@ehsan> "Please describe the C++ name lookup algorithm"
2954. # [22:32] <@ehsan> :D
2955. # [22:32] * jmaher is now known as jmaher|afk
2956. # [22:32] <@ehsan> and you can also ask about argument dependent name lookup for extra fun
2957. # [22:32] <@bz> _That_ is not an OK interview question
2958. # [22:32] <@bz> Unless you're interviewing a C++ compiler developer or something
2959. # [22:32] <@ehsan> bz: good to know that you draw the line somewhere ;()
2960. # [22:33] <jdm> quaddle: as in, you want to open the default text editor and open a file in it?
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2963. # [22:33] <@ehsan> bz: I have thought about hiring a C++ compiler hacker
2964. # [22:34] <@bz> ehsan: Having espindola around was pretty useful.
2965. # [22:34] <@bz> ehsan: for getting clang bugs fixed.
2966. # [22:34] <@ehsan> bz: he's not around any more
2967. # [22:34] <@bz> Yes, hence "was"
2968. # [22:34] <@ehsan> bz: but I meant for another project of mine
2969. # [22:34] <@ehsan> heh, right
2970. # [22:34] <@bz> Oh?
2971. # [22:34] <@ehsan> bz: porting clang to windows!
2972. # [22:34] <@bz> mmmm
2973. # [22:34] <@bz> Do we think we'll get better code than msvc?
2974. # [22:34] <@bz> (Only dealing with one compiler _would_ be nice!)
2975. # [22:35] <@ehsan> well
2976. # [22:35] <@ehsan> with a decent open source compiler we would at least have the potential
2977. # [22:35] <@ehsan> see how easy it was for us to figure out the PGO disaster?
2978. # [22:35] <@bz> heh
2979. # [22:35] <@ehsan> it really bugs me how we don't have an open source compiler on windows :(
2980. # [22:36] <@ehsan> bz: but seriously, I talked to people about hiring for this role
2981. # [22:36] <@ehsan> obviously that never went anywhere :)
2982. # [22:36] <@ehsan> but at least I tried!
2983. # [22:37] <quaddle> Hi people! I'm developing an addon and I need some files created by my addon can be edited by a text editor. Can you give me a clue about how to do? Or what to read about?
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2986. # [22:38] <@bz> hmm
2987. # [22:38] * @bz is trying to reproduce this need for .template in a small testcase and failing
2988. # [22:39] <reuben> ehsan: I think you were thinking of the Curiously Recurring Template Pattern, or CRTP
2989. # [22:40] <@ehsan> reuben: perhaps, I never bothered to learn those names!
2990. # [22:40] <@ehsan> bz: what's your testcase?
2991. # [22:40] * reuben has a bad habit of remembering things he shouldn't, and not remembering things he should
2992. # [22:40] <@bz> http://www.pastebin.mozilla.org/2413924
2993. # [22:41] <@bz> ehsan: ^
2994. # [22:41] * @ehsan looks
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3001. # [22:44] <@ehsan> bz: here you go http://www.pastebin.mozilla.org/2413933
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3003. # [22:45] <@ehsan> bz: ah, meant to say f[0] there, but it doesn't make any difference in terms of the name lookup
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3007. # [22:46] <@ehsan> bz: the key here is the type of f depending on the template arg to doStuff
3008. # [22:46] * openjck is now known as openjck|offline
3009. # [22:46] <@ehsan> and then trying to access a template member of f
3010. # [22:46] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/8096f5bdab92 - Nathan Froyd - Bug 732043 - part 1 - add mfbt/Atomics.h; r=Waldo; original-author=jcranmer
3011. # [22:46] <@bz> aha, I see
3012. # [22:46] <@bz> ok
3013. # [22:46] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/eab6eac1a371 - Nathan Froyd - Bug 732043 - part 2 - add tests for mfbt/Atomics.h; r=Waldo; original-author=jcranmer
3014. # [22:46] <@bz> um
3015. # [22:47] <@bz> but why does f depending on the template to doStuff matter?
3016. # [22:47] <@bz> I guess because we don't know what it will end up being until we instantiate doStuff?
3017. # [22:47] <@bz> And hence don't know whether it will have a GetT ?
3018. # [22:47] <@ehsan> because the compiler should not be able to resolve the full type of f by just looking at the code for the instantiation
3019. # [22:47] <@ehsan> right
3020. # [22:48] <@ehsan> this all happens _before_ the instantiation
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3022. # [22:49] <@ehsan> bz: I think perhaps the text froydnj linked to does a better job to describe this:
3023. # [22:49] <@ehsan> "Now, back to our original problem. Why doesn’t the compiler look f up in the base class? First, notice that in the call to f() in the first code snippet, f is a non-dependent name. So it must be resolved at the point of the template’s definition. At that point, the compiler still doesn’t know what Base<T>::f is, because it can be specialized later. So it doesn’t look names up in the base class, but only in the enclosing
3024. # [22:49] <@ehsan> scope. Since there’s no f in the enclosing scope, the compiler complains."
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3028. # [22:50] * @bz tries hard to not think about this problem
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3031. # [22:51] <mga> Gijs: should I ask a review from all the module peers?
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3033. # [22:51] <Gijs> mga: nope, only one is sufficient, generally speaking. But in any case, at this point, it'd be good to wait for feedback from dao and what he thinks.
3034. # [22:51] <ekr> RyanVM: potential bustage: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/2413941
3035. # [22:51] <ekr> I'm only seeing this under clang/ASan
3036. # [22:51] <Gijs> mga: I suspect he'll want something completely different than what I proposed, but I don't know what. :)
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3039. # [22:52] <RyanVM> ekr: if that's the case, might as well file a bug
3040. # [22:52] <mga> Gijs: ok, no problem with that, when a solution will be proposed I'll do my best, if it's not too difficult for my level of Mozilla expertise :)
3041. # [22:52] <ekr> but it does look at least potentialyl legit.
3042. # [22:52] <RyanVM> they're hidden by default
3043. # [22:52] <froydnj> ekr: bleh
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3045. # [22:53] <ekr> RyanVM: OK, will file.
3046. # [22:53] <Gijs> mga: no worries, I think the patch looks great for what it's supposed to be doing, but it's not my call. :)
3047. # [22:53] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/0152d497fbef - Reuben Morais - Bug 873647 - Teach codegen how to wrap Dates in constructors. r=bz
3048. # [22:54] <RyanVM> sounds like froydnj wants a CC :)
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3050. # [22:54] <froydnj> yes, er no ;)
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3052. # [22:54] <@ehsan> gps: ping?
3053. # [22:54] <mga> Gijs: thank you, this is already an excellent accomplishment, being my first patch actually involving programming :)
3054. # [22:55] <froydnj> anyway, I think I know how to fix it
3055. # [22:55] <gps> ehsan: pong
3056. # [22:55] <ekr> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=873649
3057. # [22:55] * froydnj wishes again that clang would try harder to cope with system headers
3058. # [22:56] <@ehsan> gps: do you object to replacing "Reticulating splines" with something which makes sense to non-native speakers who have not played SIM City? :)
3059. # [22:56] <ekr> froydnj: thanks
3060. # [22:56] <@ehsan> gps: I _just_ learned what this means
3061. # [22:56] <@ehsan> and I always thought that my English is just not good enough to comprehend this!
3062. # [22:56] <gps> ehsan: the build system now prints a message before that on rebuild
3063. # [22:56] <Gijs> what does it mean?
3064. # [22:56] <mga> Gijs: should I write a comment to apologize for not asking a review from the module owner and peers? I didn't do it because I don't want to flood people's email without a good reason
3065. # [22:56] <@ehsan> it does?
3066. # [22:57] * Gijs has never understood it.
3067. # [22:57] <Gijs> mga: nope, you're good!
3068. # [22:57] <gps> ehsan: pull inbound; touch moz.build; mach build
3069. # [22:57] <mga> Gijs: ok, thanks :)
3070. # [22:57] * @bsmedberg wonders what test_cookie_read.js is doing that takes so long
3071. # [22:57] <@ehsan> hmm
3072. # [22:57] <@ehsan> gps: how recent is this thing?
3073. # [22:57] * joduinnn is now known as joduinn
3074. # [22:57] <gps> bsmedberg: using SQLite. IIRC the cookies database isn't using optimal SQLite journal modes, etc
3075. # [22:58] <gps> ehsan: a few hours
3076. # [22:58] <@ehsan> gps: I can't pull right now because of rebuilds!
3077. # [22:58] <@ehsan> huh
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3079. # [22:58] <@ehsan> let me look
3080. # [22:58] <@ehsan> gps: I'm looking at ConfigStatus.py, and I don't see anything
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3083. # [22:59] <ekr> padenot: ping
3084. # [22:59] <gps> ehsan: it's in /Makefile.in
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3086. # [22:59] <gps> it only gets printed for the rebuild case, not during configure
3087. # [22:59] <@ehsan> "Updating build backend because of moz.build changes."?
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3089. # [22:59] <gps> yup
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3091. # [22:59] <@ehsan> huh
3092. # [22:59] <@ehsan> ok, I guess that's slightly better than the status quo
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3094. # [23:00] <@ehsan> so, one English message, and then another one which I wouldn't understand
3095. # [23:00] <@ehsan> it's better than just the latter!
3096. # [23:00] <gps> there are all kinds of random references in the build system output these days
3097. # [23:00] <gps> the clobber message has a Dirty Harry reference!
3098. # [23:00] <@ehsan> is that a good thing? :)
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3100. # [23:01] <quaddle> Hi people! I'm developing an addon and I need some files created by my addon can be edited by a text editor. Can you give me a clue about how to do? Or what to read about?
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3102. # [23:01] * @ehsan looks up Dirty Harry
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3104. # [23:03] <@ehsan> gps: heh, ok, but anyways, thought to point out that these references are probably completely meaningless to all of the contributors who lack the cultural context...
3105. # [23:03] <dzbarsky> gps: shouldn't that be "well do you?"
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3107. # [23:06] <quaddle> How can I open an external app from my addon?
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3111. # [23:08] <RyanVM> froydnj: our typical way of doing things is to mark regressions as blocking their regressor
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3113. # [23:08] <froydnj> RyanVM: oh. duh. will fix
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3116. # [23:11] <ekr> froydnj: I won't be able to test this till tonight.
3117. # [23:11] <ekr> (This error was picked up by my buildbot instance and I don't have remote/try access to it)
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3124. # [23:13] <froydnj> RyanVM: I think I must have mid-aired your blocking note on that bug
3125. # [23:13] <froydnj> ekr: ok
3126. # [23:13] <ekr> I guess I should set up try access :)
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3129. # [23:15] <philor> oopsie, msucan seems to have made Windows builds race
3130. # [23:15] <joe> jlebar|away: please do not be away
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3134. # [23:16] <tbsaunde> philor: sounds like a feature, they'll finish faster that way
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3136. # [23:17] <froydnj> wait, what? #include "nsGlobalWindow.h" in xpcom?
3137. # [23:17] <philor> yeah
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3140. # [23:18] <philor> guess I should close, though that means closing inbound and m-c and fx-team and I presume it went to birch too
3141. # [23:19] <@bz> hmm?
3142. # [23:19] <@bz> oy, that's my fault, isn't it? :(
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3144. # [23:19] <RyanVM> philor: yep, close em all
3145. # [23:19] * @bz totally missed that #include. :(
3146. # [23:19] <RyanVM> fully cross-contaminated
3147. # [23:20] <philor> closeded
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3149. # [23:22] <RyanVM> bz: is that an easy fix or should I backout en masse?
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3152. # [23:23] <joe> argh
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3154. # [23:24] <joe> if I want to ensure an event is the very next thing run (in a test situation), am I SOL?
3155. # [23:24] <joe> (I need to ensure we don't go back to the event queue between two function calls)
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3158. # [23:26] <froydnj> joe: can you use sync dispatch (or equivalent)?
3159. # [23:26] <@bz> RyanVM: back out
3160. # [23:26] <Mossop> ted: I bet I need the crashreporter enabled in my build in order to get stacks working, right?
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3163. # [23:28] <@smaug> what does MOZ_GUARD_OBJECT_NOTIFIER_PARAM do?
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3166. # [23:30] <@smaug> ah, I see
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3168. # [23:30] <joe> froydnj: no, but runBeforeNextEvent will work!
3169. # [23:31] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/ecdfb8bb501e - Ryan VanderMeulen - Backed out changesets 073791f33ab7 and 7ac5779a426c (bug 859756) for causing intermittent Windows build failures.
3170. # [23:31] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/aaf5d70ba693 - Ryan VanderMeulen - Bug 871530 - Update pdf.js to version 0.8.169. r=dtownsend
3171. # [23:31] <RyanVM> Mossop: did NOT mean to push that
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3173. # [23:31] <RyanVM> forgot it was in my queue
3174. # [23:31] <Mossop> Yeaahhh suuuuure
3175. # [23:31] <froydnj> &showall=1 to show normally hidden builds, like asan ones?
3176. # [23:31] <RyanVM> froydnj: yes
3177. # [23:31] <RyanVM> Mossop: want me to back it out?
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3179. # [23:32] <Mossop> RyanVM: Just land follow-up changes with r=me
3180. # [23:32] <RyanVM> bleh, backed out
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3182. # [23:32] <@ted> Mossop: yes, why would you disable it?
3183. # [23:33] <Mossop> ted: I dunno, it's in my default build config for some reason
3184. # [23:33] <froydnj> ah, asan builds on m-c, not m-i
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3186. # [23:33] <Mossop> That's a fine 2 hours wasted on building that useless debug build :(
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3199. # [23:36] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/ecdfb8bb501e - Ryan VanderMeulen - Backed out changesets 073791f33ab7 and 7ac5779a426c (bug 859756) for causing intermittent Windows build failures.
3200. # [23:36] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/aaf5d70ba693 - Ryan VanderMeulen - Bug 871530 - Update pdf.js to version 0.8.169. r=dtownsend
3201. # [23:36] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/d7155fcfc6a9 - Ryan VanderMeulen - Merge m-c to inbound on a CLOSED TREE.
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3208. # [23:39] <@bz> If there's a sourceforge project, how do I report a bug to it?
3209. # [23:39] * @bz sees a way to list existing bug reports, but not to create a new one
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3216. # [23:43] <KWierso> bz: "Tickets", I think
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3219. # [23:43] <KWierso> I see a "Create Ticket" link on the left side of the page when logged in to sourceforge
3220. # [23:44] <@bz> Ah, I may need to log in
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3243. # [23:57] <TheOne> hm, http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/23.0a2/auroranotes/ says
3244. # [23:57] <TheOne> "Moved the bookmark star button outside of the location bar"
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3247. # [23:58] <TheOne> but that has been reverted even when 23 was still in the nightly channel
3248. # [23:58] <TheOne> right?
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3250. # [23:59] <froydnj> people embed flash files in pdf nowadays? wtf?
3251. # [23:59] <wg9s> TheOne: the nightly channel is 24.0a1
3252. # Session Close: Sat May 18 00:00:00 2013

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