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# Session Start: Mon May 27 00:00:00 2013
# Session Ident: #developers
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# [00:05] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/5fe06eab99d0 - Stephen Pohl - Back out bug 869314 for missing r='s.
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# [00:06] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/69f39ec4f7eb - Stephen Pohl - Bug 869314: Test for availability of dropmarkers in non-native styled comboboxes when overlay scrollbars are used. r=roc
# [00:06] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/0167b5e0a389 - Stephen Pohl - Bug 869314: Fix missing dropmarkers in non-native styled combobox controls when overlay scrollbars are used. r=roc
# [00:06] <philor> spohl: you can do that in a single push, back out and reland with DONTBUILD in the commit message for the reland
# [00:06] <philor> not that we're short of slaves right now :)
# [00:07] <spohl> philor: thanks for the heads up
# [00:07] <spohl> philor: I was trying to not screw things up this first time I had to do this. :-)
# [00:08] <spohl> sorry about that
# [00:08] <philor> yeah, I remember that feeling of horror from "ah, I screwed up *and* I've never done the thing I need to do to fix it"
# [00:09] <Sho> Yoric: If you'd like to add yourself to the CC list: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=876293
# [00:09] <spohl> philor: precisely! :-)
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# [00:19] <JosiahOne> spohl: Hey, thanks for pushing that bug so fast.
# [00:20] <spohl> JosiahOne: np. let's see if it sticks
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# [00:20] <JosiahOne> spohl: Cool. I assume you are going to have to aurora-lift it right?
# [00:20] <spohl> probably
# [00:20] <glosoli> what's aurora-lift it ?
# [00:21] <JosiahOne> glosoli: Landing in Aurora as well as Nightly.
# [00:21] <glosoli> thank you both :) for taking additional attention
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# [00:32] <glosoli> JosiahOne: Australis coming out like one month later ?
# [00:33] <JosiahOne> glosoli: Yep, June 24th.
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# [00:34] <glosoli> JosiahOne: is it true that Search bar will be removed ?
# [00:34] <JosiahOne> glosoli: The search bar? No.
# [00:34] <JosiahOne> glosoli: Though one day we wish to have an Omnibar-like item instead.
# [00:34] <JosiahOne> glosoli: But that is another update. Not coming anytime soon.
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# [00:35] <glosoli> BY another update you mean something already planned, or something that would be nice to have
# [00:35] <JosiahOne> glosoli: The later.
# [00:35] <JosiahOne> glosoli: We have no solid plans yet, mainly because of legal issues.
# [00:36] <glosoli> Hmm, who's got the patent
# [00:36] <glosoli> ?
# [00:36] <JosiahOne> glosoli: No one. :)
# [00:36] <glosoli> Emm, so what's the legal issues ?
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# [00:37] <JosiahOne> glosoli: Part of the issue is the fact that the partners (Google, Microsoft, Yahoo, etc) are afraid the chances of the user switching the search type to their service is more unlikely. Right now our search bar makes changing search engines really easy to use/find. These other companies want to make sure they still have a chance of being used.
# [00:38] <JosiahOne> glosoli: Since whoever was the default search engine would have an even bigger advantage of attracting userbase.
# [00:38] <glosoli> and all three companies are donators
# [00:38] <glosoli> ?
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# [00:38] <JosiahOne> glosoli: Well. They pay to have their search engine added in Firefox by default. Google pays the most since it's the default.
# [00:39] <JosiahOne> But we have Bing and Yahoo as well.
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# [00:40] <glosoli> JosiahOne: hmm never would have thought that such thing would be that much of a legal issue
# [00:40] <JosiahOne> glosoli: They aren't really donators. They get a large profit for having their search engine built into the browser.
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# [00:41] <JosiahOne> glosoli: Yeah. Unfortunately the is the probably *the* thing that gives us profit. So it had to be taken very seriously.
# [00:41] <JosiahOne> s/the/that
# [00:41] <JosiahOne> My goodness. Stupid keyboard.
# [00:42] <JosiahOne> Let's try that again: Yeah. Unfortunately that is probably *the* thing that gives us the most profit. So it has to be taken very seriously.
# [00:42] <glosoli> Hmm that's wicked
# [00:42] <glosoli> JosiahOne: well man, I understand that Google gets profit too
# [00:42] <glosoli> I just did not know how to say that other way
# [00:42] <glosoli> :)
# [00:43] <glosoli> Sorry I did not want it to sound as if it is Mozilla who only profits from such a deals
# [00:43] <JosiahOne> glosoli: We profit, they profit. It's all good until we go mess around with the $field. :)
# [00:44] <JosiahOne> glosoli: Well, gotta run. Nice chatting with you. See ya' around.
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# [00:44] <glosoli> JosiahOne|Away: like wise, thanks once again
# [00:44] <JosiahOne|Away> Np.
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# [00:57] <cpearce> is there an easy way to temporarily change Firefox's userAgent for testing purposes?
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# [00:59] <philor> cpearce: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/user-agent-switcher/
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# [01:51] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/ed1209cab735 - Phil Ringnalda - Merge m-c to m-i
# [01:51] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/a81bece350a1 - Phil Ringnalda - Bug 875585 - Disable test_Range-surroundContents.html on Windows until it can manage to be a little less OOM-prone
# [01:51] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/28c185bcc46a - Phil Ringnalda - Bug 876275 - skip a crashtest that times out on B2G on a VM
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# [02:18] <heycam> I do like that you get sent an email if you submit a crash report, but it's hard for me to read "We're so sorry." in anything but a sarcastic tone :)
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# [02:29] * markh has never got an email on submitting a crash report...
# [02:30] <markh> but yeah, if it contains literally "We're so sorry", then I'd find it sarcastic, or at least flippant, too...
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# [02:51] <mib_osvxvq> Hello
# [02:51] <mib_osvxvq> Is anyone here?
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# [02:57] <markh> mxr confuses me sometimes. So I go to http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/search, enter a search string of "panel", and "in files matching" enter "\.xul$" - but still end up with matches not in XUL files (eg, first hit is /accessible/tests/mochitest/actions/test_link.html) - can anyone explain why that is?
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# [03:08] <JonathanS> Chromium has yellow bar with restore button
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# [04:05] <philor> markh: sure! that's because timeless used to work on mxr, so nobody else bothered learning the first thing about it, so now nobody knows anything about it, so instead of learning we rewrote it with different features, and now you can see the results from six weeks ago at http://dxr.mozilla.org/search?tree=mozilla-central&q=panel+path%3A.xul
# [04:06] <markh> lol
# [04:06] <markh> I guess that's "progress"...
# [04:06] <JonathanS> If you want to done right, do it yourself :P
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# [04:07] <philor> it's movement, and it's very us
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# [04:14] <JonathanS> ART Image is old AOL image format?
# [04:15] <jcranmer> DXR attempts to update everyday. the reason it doesn't boils down to "RHEL is an ancient system as far as we're concerned"
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# [04:20] <philor> oh, I thought it was because we have a symlink to a missing target
# [04:22] <markh> bug 848407 seems to be the one...
# [04:22] <markh> so dxr and mxr both "don't work" for different definitions of "don't work". oh well...
# [04:22] <jcranmer> philor: there's about three compilation bugs going on
# [04:23] <jcranmer> the main one, Dxr randomly hanging during indexing, appears to be fixed on master, so everything in theory works if we update to tip
# [04:24] <jcranmer> however, that has non-trivial deployment issues well beyond my area of expertise; the person who's doing that is trying a different deployment strategy which is stalled on trying to get Mozilla building on rhel systems right now
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# [04:50] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/07cbebfba8c1 - Chris Peterson - Bug 849589 - Catch and log intermittent NativeZip exception. r=glandium
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# [06:31] <@dbaron> I just got "HTTP Error 413: Request Entity Too Large" trying to pull from m-c
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# [06:32] <philor> dbaron: old version of hg?
# [06:32] <@dbaron> philor, no, a very new one
# [06:32] <philor> ick
# [06:33] <@dbaron> only from one tree, though, in which I'd just ctrl-C'd a pull from another machine
# [06:33] <@dbaron> after realizing that I could do the same much faster if I pulled from m-c first
# [06:33] <@dbaron> given the relative speeds of the connections
# [06:33] <philor> at least, you *thought* you could, until...
# [06:34] <@dbaron> well, I can still pull from my laptop
# [06:34] <@dbaron> it's just unnnecessarily transferring 5 days of m-c over wireless
# [06:34] <@dbaron> (but it worked fine)
# [06:35] <@dbaron> ooh, CLOBBER file, what a surprise
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# [06:39] <Callek> dbaron: which tree?
# [06:39] <Callek> dbaron: and which local ver of hg
# [06:39] <Callek> lastly which platform
# [06:40] <Callek> oo a m-c pull duh :(
# [06:41] <Callek> dbaron: sooo clarification question, was it an |hg pull| or an |hg clone| and was it over https, http, or ssh.
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# [06:53] <philor> sonofa, I landed a webidl change without touching CLOBBER, like I expected things to work, that was foolish
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# [07:00] <markh> can anyone think of somewhere in m-c where a XUL browser element is inside a HTML iframe element?
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# [07:01] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/92393d40a42a - Phil Ringnalda - CLOBBER for bug 869002
# [07:03] <Callek> markh: I'm fairly sure that some layers of thunderbird do that, but I can't recall for sure
# [07:03] <Callek> it does sound like thats a bad thing though
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# [07:06] <markh> Callek: yeah, the background thumbnails code (which is in m-c but not yet used) does that, and I'm struggling to work out why the browser's docshell appears to not unload correctly and I'm wondering if that is the underlying reason...
# [07:06] <Callek> markh: xul inside of html (read: not chrome-priv xhtml) won't work
# [07:07] <markh> it does it because the browser needs to be chrome and hosted in the hidden DOM window, so the "work-around" is to load an iframe into the hidden window with a chrome URL then load the browser inside that...
# [07:07] <Callek> and I suspect that xul:browser itself won't work right/well inside of an html docshell to begin with
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# [07:07] <Callek> markh: "background thumbnails"?
# [07:08] <markh> toolkit/components/thumbnails has code to generate thumbnails in a remote browser...
# [07:08] <Callek> err you know what, I'll defer getting an answer, since I can't be much help :-)
# [07:08] <markh> :)
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# [08:29] <philor> huh. the screenshot in https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=23431448&tree=Fx-Team#error0 is almost insane enough to make up for the fact that just having a screenshot shoves the log over 50MB and truncates is
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# [08:45] <glandium> Callek: good for you
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# [08:46] <Callek> glandium: apparantly it wasn't said as close to said screenshot to make the correlation obvious I guess
# [08:46] <Callek> ;-)
# [08:49] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/bd4593e3eac6 - Cameron McCormack - Bug 876127 - Assert if we do not look at all style structs in nsStyleContext::CalcStyleDifference. r=dbaron
# [08:49] <@dbaron> heycam, that's a fast review->commit cycle
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# [08:50] <heycam> dbaron, my bad habit of having an on screen email notifications popping up...
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# [08:54] <philor> I don't suppose anybody's got some STFUing they've been planning to do in mochitest-1 logs?
# [08:56] <philor> personally, I think I could maybe make do without the 4,096 instances of "test_bug585978.html | undefined"
# [08:57] <philor> almost makes me feel like the test is not only blindly excessive, but busted to boot
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# [08:59] <Ms2ger> Bonjour
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# [09:00] <philor> indeed
# [09:00] <philor> maybe we should just ban for loops in mochitests
# [09:00] <markh> philor: yeah, imo each test could just have a summary of the passes reported, especially when run as a full suite.
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# [09:01] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/88545c6c105f - Phil Ringnalda - Merge m-c to fx-team
# [09:01] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/a39263b0c896 - Francesco Lodolo [:flod] - Bug 874785 - Web Console: rewrite localization comments and use ordered arguments for multiple parameters, r=mratcliffe
# [09:01] <@khuey|tw> does JS have do loops?
# [09:01] <markh> it's not that uncommon to have a utility function called by tests, each of which does a few "is" or "ok" calls, and is called in a loop by many tests...
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# [09:02] <markh> the test runner should just report a *test* passed, not each of the checks each test makes (unless of course a check fails...)
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# [09:03] <markh> but to answer your specific question: no, not *planned* afaik...
# [09:04] <philor> oh god test_dom_wheel_event.html
# [09:04] <Ms2ger> Wasn't me!
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# [09:05] <Ms2ger> khuey|tw, I guess no meeting tonight?
# [09:06] <@khuey|tw> Ms2ger: you mean tomorrow morning?
# [09:06] <@khuey|tw> Ms2ger: not with the holiday in the US
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# [09:06] <philor> it has x/y/z multipliers, and three deltaModes, and every possible modifier key, and it wants to test 30 things about every permutation of them
# [09:07] <Ms2ger> khuey|tw, okay, thought so
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# [09:08] <philor> and there we go
# [09:09] <Ms2ger> Huh, tbpl does underline failed stuff
# [09:09] * Ms2ger never noticed
# [09:09] <philor> jesup: can we shut down your logging? we're going over the maximum log size now
# [09:10] <philor> Ms2ger: yeah, somebody has red/green colorblindness, I forget who, made their runs look somewhere between awesome and awful without them actually knowing which :)
# [09:10] <Ms2ger> cpearce, I guess
# [09:11] <Ms2ger> Since he just filed a bug about ./mach build's colourblindnessunfriendlyness
# [09:11] <@dbaron> it's actually rather common
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# [09:11] <@dbaron> I had a discussion with cpearce and mfinkle once, I think, about how one of them had trouble distinguishing the green and orange colors on TBPL, and the other had trouble distinguishing the green and red colors
# [09:12] <markh> why do my call stacks in msvc stop at xul.dll!XPCWrappedNative::CallMethod(); ?
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# [09:13] <Ms2ger> Mm, probably because that's where XPConnect does the weird vcall dance?
# [09:13] <markh> heh - yeah, I guess what I really mean is: how can I see what is underneath it? :)
# [09:14] <philor> oh, this is webaudio not webrtc spewing
# [09:14] <markh> return out of it, I guess....
# [09:14] <@khuey|tw> if you don't see much past that you likely have jitcode above it
# [09:15] <markh> ah, right.
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# [09:15] <Ms2ger> Oh, other way
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# [09:17] <philor> sounds good to me!
# [09:17] <philor> if we don't build it, we can't test it, and I'm done
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# [09:19] <tbsaunde> khuey|tw: if we can't build it wouldn't you need a new job?
# [09:19] <@khuey|tw> tbsaunde: no, not really
# [09:19] <@khuey|tw> I could go back to working on stuff that doesn't suck
# [09:20] <tbsaunde> khuey|tw: wait what did you work on before?
# [09:20] <Ms2ger> cc in workers?
# [09:20] <@khuey|tw> dom stuff
# [09:21] <philor> oh, look, a new indexedDB crash
# [09:21] <philor> been hours since I saw one of those!
# [09:21] * @khuey|tw r-s bz's patch
# [09:21] <@khuey|tw> don't get to do that every day!
# [09:22] <tbsaunde> khuey|tw: but what's the point of working on the dom for something that doesn't build :p
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# [09:23] <Ms2ger> tbsaunde, pff, gps will make it build
# [09:24] <@khuey|tw> tbsaunde: we could do a "will it build" video series to promote our blender?
# [09:24] <@khuey|tw> or something
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# [09:27] <@khuey|tw> also somebody totally bitrotted cc for workers :-(
# [09:28] <Ms2ger> Probably bent
# [09:29] <Ms2ger> Or mccr8
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# [09:29] * markh sobs
# [09:29] <markh> and why does DumpJSStack() tell me "there is no JSContext on the nsIThreadJSContextStack!" when there is very clearly JS on the stack
# [09:29] <@khuey|tw> yeah too bad I can't yell at them for another week
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# [09:31] <Ms2ger> Get them on vidyo
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# [09:31] <@khuey|tw> there's no overlap between my work day and theirs
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# [09:33] <Ms2ger> khuey|tw, say I wanted to add a JSObject member to nsHTMLDocument, do you know what magic I need?
# [09:33] <@khuey|tw> yes
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# [09:35] <Ms2ger> Want to tell me? :)
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# [09:35] <@khuey|tw> Ms2ger: implement a CC participant that traces the JSObject
# [09:35] <@khuey|tw> then NS_HOLD_JS_OBJECTS/NS_DROP_JS_OBJECTS as appropriate
# [09:36] <@khuey|tw> FileReader should give you some idea how it works
# [09:37] * Ms2ger wonders why webrtc has a FileReader class
# [09:38] <Ms2ger> Set it to null in unlink too?
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# [09:38] <@khuey|tw> well on some level that's up to you
# [09:38] <@khuey|tw> but that's probably the best idea, yes
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# [09:39] <@khuey|tw> not setting it to null is fine as long as you never try to use it ;-)
# [09:39] <Ms2ger> Hrm, actually
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# [09:40] <Ms2ger> My JSObject holds a reference to the document too
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# [09:41] <@khuey|tw> are you guaranteed that always holds?
# [09:41] <Ms2ger> Well, yes, I addref and call JS_SetPrivate when creating it
# [09:42] * Ms2ger wonders how this works now
# [09:42] <@khuey|tw> ok
# [09:42] * @khuey|tw wonders wtf you're doing
# [09:42] <Ms2ger> document.all
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# [09:43] <@khuey|tw> mmm
# [09:43] <@khuey|tw> fun
# [09:43] <Ms2ger> Indeed so
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# [09:58] <jwatt> hmm, hg corruption
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# [10:08] <Callek> khuey|tw: for the no overlap thing you can record a vidyo session and open a bug and request review of them for an attachment of your vidyo yelling at them
# [10:09] <Callek> khuey|tw: then when you wake up the next day see their vidyo response in the bug
# [10:09] <@khuey|tw> Callek: or I could pull a NeilAway and just use MemoServ
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# [10:10] <Callek> khuey|tw: people still use that?
# [10:10] * Callek ducks
# [10:10] <Callek> frankly I never notice my NeilAway memoserv messages
# [10:10] <Callek> then he asks me about it like 2 weeks later and I'm like "huh -- just ping me"
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# [10:15] <Ms2ger> Wow, only 25% of my memos are from NeilAway
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# [10:18] <Callek> Ms2ger: you're a bad example since the other 75% are asking what your real name is
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# [10:19] <Ms2ger> Surprisingly, none of them are
# [10:19] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/3d89699c69bb - Jonathan Watt - Bug 876157 - Avoid expensive nsSVGGradientFrame::GetGradientTransform calls when gradients paint only a single color. r=roc
# [10:19] <Ms2ger> People ask on quora instead
# [10:19] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/6f38df1dd1c3 - Jonathan Watt - Bug 876175 - Fix O(n^2) behavior and other perf issues with nsSVGGradientFrame::GetPaintServerPattern. r=roc
# [10:19] <glandium> Callek: or how to pronounce his nick
# [10:19] <Callek> http://www.quora.com/Who-Is-X/Who-is-Ms2ger
# [10:19] <Callek> yea
# [10:19] <Callek> I thought I seen the same asked on stackoverflow before too
# [10:21] <Ms2ger> But that's really easy, you can pronounce it whatever way you like :)
# [10:21] <Ms2ger> NS_DECL_CYCLE_COLLECTION_SCRIPT_HOLDER_CLASS_INHERITED
# [10:21] * Ms2ger eyes smaug
# [10:22] <@khuey|tw> Ms2ger: we should have done NS_DCCSHCI
# [10:22] <Ms2ger> Well played
# [10:23] <Callek> Ms2ger: so are you going to tell people your real name at the summit?
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# [10:23] <Callek> or are we all going to butcher trying to say your IRC nick?
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# [10:23] <Ms2ger> khuey|tw, if I null out my jsobject in unlink, do I need to NS_DROP_JS_OBJECTS there too?
# [10:24] <Ms2ger> Callek, that's what people did at fosdem, at least
# [10:24] <@khuey|tw> Ms2ger: you need to NS_DROP_JS_OBJECTS to get yourself out of the XPConnect hashtable
# [10:24] <Callek> hehe
# [10:25] <@khuey|tw> Ms2ger: otherise you end up with something like bug 738985
# [10:25] <Ms2ger> khuey|tw, I'm not sure what that means :)
# [10:25] * Ms2ger remembers that landing
# [10:26] <@khuey|tw> yeah that's the one I snuck in a merge
# [10:26] <Ms2ger> So just the dtor is fine?
# [10:26] <@khuey|tw> Ms2ger: basically if NS_DROP_JS_OBJECTS never gets called you're going to have a UAF
# [10:26] <@khuey|tw> Callek: is Ms2ger coming to the summit?
# [10:26] <Callek> khuey|tw: no idea, since the invite list says the real names
# [10:27] <@khuey|tw> heh
# [10:27] <@khuey|tw> no "Ger, Ms2"?
# [10:27] <Callek> lol
# [10:27] <Ms2ger> Eh, it's in Belgium, I can just sneak in
# [10:28] <@khuey|tw> oh is that move official?
# [10:28] <Callek> Ms2ger: note they are flying people to distant places too, so there can be a mix and match of "people you don't often see" both community and employee
# [10:28] <Callek> khuey|tw: also, yes brussles is official
# [10:28] <Callek> khuey|tw: we're going to get an official e-mail on that later this week I'm told
# [10:28] <@khuey|tw> mmm
# [10:28] <@khuey|tw> paris is better
# [10:28] <Callek> khuey|tw: fashion week
# [10:29] <Callek> no hotels
# [10:29] <Ms2ger> khuey|tw, but waffles!
# [10:29] <Callek> also we're not pretty enough
# [10:29] <Callek> (as a group)
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# [10:29] <@khuey|tw> Ms2ger: mmm waffles
# [10:29] <Callek> we'll look worse by far when stood next to models and fashion designers
# [10:29] <ttaubert> waffles, beer, frites. not sure why paris would be better. pfft.
# [10:29] * @khuey|tw is looking forward to flying to santa clara
# [10:29] <@khuey|tw> or somewhere else in the south bay
# [10:30] <Callek> khuey|tw: I'm also told some Bay Area folks might be flown to brussles/tor rather than stay in the bay area for sake of the whole mix and match thing
# [10:30] <Callek> khuey|tw: the specific list of who is flown where for employees is completely unknown at this point
# [10:31] <Ms2ger> I've been told there's 90 or so volunteers being flied elsewhere too
# [10:31] <@khuey|tw> I was told we're going to move some people around to keep it from getting too homogenous
# [10:31] <Callek> khuey|tw: exactly, tthe general plan is to keep teams spread out, and to try and have about half community and half employees at each location
# [10:32] <@khuey|tw> clearly we have to get employees out of california then :-P
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# [10:32] <Callek> to encourage cross team/community chatter rather than people stay in a "comfort zone" of culture/teams
# [10:32] <@khuey|tw> do we have actual dates yet?
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# [10:33] <Ms2ger> 4-6 October
# [10:33] <Callek> khuey|tw: yes, I think. I dont recall if any dates were told to anyone besides the direct planners though
# [10:33] <Ms2ger> Hmm, my calendar still says Paris
# [10:33] * Ms2ger fixes
# [10:33] <Callek> I also am pretty sure employees weren't told the exact dates, but the ones who may have been were the community who were told they were going at this point
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# [10:34] <@khuey|tw> well https://wiki.mozilla.org/Summit2013
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# [10:34] <@khuey|tw> it's right on the top
# [10:34] <glandium> for flight convenience, i'd rather go to santa clara than brussels
# [10:34] <Ms2ger> Take a train :)
# [10:35] <glandium> Ms2ger: that would be a very long ride
# [10:35] <glandium> like, days
# [10:35] <Ms2ger> I thought you were in France?
# [10:35] <@khuey|tw> take the trans-siberian through north korea?
# [10:35] <@khuey|tw> after the ferry from japan to south korea?
# [10:35] <glandium> Ms2ger: i am, but by october, i won't be anymore
# [10:35] <@khuey|tw> could be fun
# [10:35] <Ms2ger> Ah
# [10:36] <glandium> khuey|tw: fsvo fun
# [10:36] <Ms2ger> "The content of this communication is classified as SOFTVISION Confidential and Proprietary Information."
# [10:36] <@khuey|tw> I vaguely recall there's a b2g work week scheduled for that part of the year
# [10:36] <Ms2ger> Why'd you send it to a public newsgroup, then?
# [10:36] <glandium> Ms2ger: default signature
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# [10:37] <Ms2ger> They still annoy me :)
# [10:37] <Callek> Ms2ger: softvision, o no... we can't talk about that partnership yet
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# [10:38] <glandium> Callek: because it's embarassing?
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# [10:39] <Ms2ger> Ouch
# [10:39] <Callek> glandium: softvision has been a QA subcontractor for at least as long as I've been with our company
# [10:39] <Callek> and it was never private afaik
# [10:39] <Callek> (the actual comms they send our employed QA people may be, I have no idea)
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# [11:01] <glazou> bonjour
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# [11:09] <smontagu> now wtf?
# [11:09] <smontagu> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/2449295
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# [11:18] <smontagu> old-fashioned make -f client.mk build seems to work still
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# [11:51] <glandium> smontagu: blame gps, he's adding fancy stuff to mach that apparently don't work so wel
# [11:51] <glandium> +l
# [11:51] <Callek> glandium: no, we should blame pymake instead
# [11:52] <Callek> since obviously that breaks mac, ;-)
# [11:52] <Callek> also thats just a smontagu needs to re-run configure bug
# [11:53] <Callek> (yea theres a bug in client.mk where it doesn't always recognize it needs to run configure)
# [11:54] <glandium> Callek: no, he's having a mach problem, that has nothing to do with client.mk
# [11:55] <glandium> which, for some reason, doesn't recognize the current tier correctly
# [11:55] <Callek> glandium: totally was pretty sure mach just simply wrapped client.mk and smontagu's pastebin cites config.status failure, which looks entirely like configure needs to be re-run
# [11:55] <glandium> Callek: no, it's a mach failure, not config.status
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# [11:55] <Callek> but I also admit I don't build too often anymore, so I could be confused
# [11:56] <Callek> anyway, /me runs to a bed
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# [14:43] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/909d9dd8ff2f - Jon Coppeard - Bug 875872 - Add public Heap<T> class for implementing post-barriers in the browser r=terrence
# [14:43] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/76321fce71e7 - Jon Coppeard - Bug 874691 - Make CC participant tracing indirect r=mccr8 r=smaug r=bz
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# [14:50] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/1e0fbd5000e3 - Markus Stange - Bug 876256 - Restore the previous scissor rect at the end of CompositorOGL::DrawQuad. r=mattwoodrow
# [14:52] <Yoric> mak: Any hope of a review for bug 702559?
# [14:52] <mak> Yoric: yes
# [14:52] <smontagu> glandium, Callek: can't be just a "rerun configure" error, since it was post-clobber
# [14:52] <Yoric> \o/
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# [14:57] <markh> who apart from bz understands the interactions between nsIDocShell and nsIChannel?
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# [15:04] <glandium> markh: smaug?
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# [15:05] <markh> glandium: thanks! Sadly he's not here to ping :)
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# [15:19] <markh> smaug: speak of the devil :) ping!
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# [15:20] <@smaug> markh: pong
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# [15:21] <markh> hi - I'm hoping you can help me with docShell.allowAuth vs nsIChannel::LOAD_ANONYMOUS...
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# [15:21] <markh> basically, we have a case where setting allowAuth=false still causes an auth-prompt, and I *think* this is due to a docShell with allowAuth=false not causing the channel's LOAD_ANON flag to be set.
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# [15:21] <markh> does that sound feasible at first glance?
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# [15:22] <@smaug> not something I know without reading the code
# [15:23] <markh> a little more context is at https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=875157#c1 - it would be awesome if you could comment, or suggest a good candidate for me to harass :)
# [15:23] <markh> it's my bed-time now though - so if you can find time over the next few hours to either comment or recommend someone in that bug, I'd appreciate it
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# [15:33] <kats> is there an about: page or something that shows why FF is at 106% cpu usage?
# [15:33] <kats> i.e. something like about:memory but for CPU
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# [15:40] <@roc> SPS!
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# [15:42] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/7c7524e8638c - octoploid@yandex.com - Bug 875790 - Revert AutoPushJSContext change in nsJSContext::CompileScript due to crashes. r=bholley
# [15:43] <kats> so the profiler indicates most of the time is being spent in mach_msg_trap
# [15:43] <kats> http://people.mozilla.com/~bgirard/cleopatra/#report=9b80531547bb7d0732ee72969cc4d1b4cc067792
# [15:43] <kats> which sounds like it shouldn't be eating CPU
# [15:43] <@roc> must be another thread
# [15:44] <@roc> SPS support for non-main threads is still WIP AFAIK
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# [15:45] <kats> it looks like all the threads are blocked according to gdb: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/2450017
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# [15:58] <kats> i think i'm experiencing bug 872775. rnewman, is there any info i could grab that might help shed some light on the issue?
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# [16:03] <@smaug> why do we have clobber builds so often again
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# [16:09] <romaxa> hmm looks like mozilla_sampler_register_thread call new and set without init in between
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# [16:36] <GPHemsley> Can anyone point me to the code that parses a MIME type? I seem to have found a lot of red herrings...
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# [16:42] <jcranmer> GPHemsley: there isn't a single place that does it to my knowledge
# [16:43] <jcranmer> nsMIMEHeaderParamImpl handles parsing the ;foo=bar parts
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# [16:44] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/dd8f0acfc948 - Masatoshi Kimura - Bug 726933 - Add a deprecation warning to getPreventDefault. r=smaug
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# [17:01] <GPHemsley> jcranmer: Where does the splitting occur to get that part?
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# [17:03] <jcranmer> nsIMIMEHeaderParam::getParam
# [17:03] <jcranmer> getParameter*
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# [17:08] <GPHemsley> this code is a mess
# [17:08] <GPHemsley> (if I may say)
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# [17:10] <jcranmer> I'm rewriting how Thunderbird uses it in JS
# [17:10] <jcranmer> http://mxr.mozilla.org/comm-central/source/mailnews/mime/jsmime/mimeParserCore.js#694
# [17:11] <philor> vlad: burning the desktop b2g builds probably wasn't your plan, was it?
# [17:11] <jcranmer> [to be fair, I have a nearly-fully rewritten version of that at <https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=735739&action=diff>)
# [17:12] <GPHemsley> jcranmer: Are Content-Type and Content-Disposition being treated the same?
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# [17:12] <vlad> philor: no, definitely wasn't
# [17:12] <vlad> philor: sigh
# [17:12] <jcranmer> GPHemsley: as far as I know, that implementation is used for both Content-Type and Content-Disposition
# [17:12] <philor> vlad: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=23439448&tree=Mozilla-Inbound - SharedSurfaceGralloc.cpp:16:30: fatal error: ui/GraphicBuffer.h: No such file or directory
# [17:12] <vlad> philor: I even tryserver'd, but failed to select the B2G emulator looks like
# [17:13] <vlad> philor: nod
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# [17:13] <jcranmer> but they may use different interfaces for enabling RFC 2231/RFC5987 decoding [which happens for Content-Disposition but not Content-Type]
# [17:13] <vlad> though uh, hm
# [17:13] <GPHemsley> jcranmer: In any case, feedback welcome: http://mimesniff.spec.whatwg.org/#parse-a-mime-type
# [17:13] <jcranmer> my expertise is limited to mailnews
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# [17:13] <philor> desktop, not emulator - they're hidden, because I'm filled with hate
# [17:13] <GPHemsley> jcranmer: This algorithm should be universal ;)
# [17:14] <GPHemsley> (that's the intent, anyway)
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# [17:14] <vlad> philor: ohhhh
# [17:14] <vlad> philor: so I could not have even gotten a try run of this?
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# [17:14] <vlad> philor: let me figure out how to fix
# [17:15] <jcranmer> I will tell you that the content-type portion of it boils down to "take the substring up to but not including the first ;, strip whitespace, normalize to lower case"
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# [17:16] <philor> vlad: probably you did get a wasteful hidden try run, we build linux b2g when you select linux firefox, whether you want it or not
# [17:16] <GPHemsley> jcranmer: Which is why "text/html/test" is treated as a valid MIME type
# [17:16] <vlad> philor: ahhh. fun.
# [17:16] <GPHemsley> (at least, in the Firefox code)
# [17:16] <vlad> philor: so it looks like the issue is using MOZ_B2G when I meant MOZ_WIDGET_GONK
# [17:16] <jcranmer> while the specification permits whitespace like "text / plain", my experience from reading several implementations is that most people will not treat that as a valid mime type
# [17:16] <vlad> fixing
# [17:17] <GPHemsley> jcranmer: That's why they're red; good to know
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# [17:17] <jcranmer> [again, this is from reading mostly mail code]
# [17:17] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/a17bb92b2d52 - Kannan Vijayan - Bug 870200 - Fix typeobject assignment to rest-argument arrays. r=bhackett
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# [17:18] <philor> no, awesomesauce, -p all builds them, and otherwise you have to guess the name of the platform, which I think is like linux_gecko
# [17:18] <jcranmer> GPHemsley: case-insensitivity is a must
# [17:18] <GPHemsley> jcranmer: On my to-do list :)
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# [17:19] <jcranmer> I don't know what happens if you have text/html/test
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# [17:19] <vlad> philor: do you happen to know if the desktop builds are cross-process enabled?
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# [17:19] <jcranmer> but I suspect most people would say "this is a text/ part I can't understand, default to text/plain"
# [17:19] <vlad> e.g. are they using e10s?
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# [17:19] <vlad> I guess we'll find out, I don't want to change too much code
# [17:20] <jcranmer> GPHemsley: things that have been on my investigation list include how people handle missing close quotes, whether anyone supports 2231 in Content-Type, repeated parameters, etc.
# [17:20] <philor> nothing obvious in the mozconfig
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# [17:21] <vlad> ok, pushing a fix shortly
# [17:22] <vlad> this might still not work, but it will build
# [17:22] <GPHemsley> jcranmer: If you serve a data: URL with a MIME type of "text/html/test", Firefox prompts for download
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# [17:22] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/fd25fb9e951e - Vladimir Vukicevic - b=843599, followup -- use MOZ_WIDGET_GONK, not MOZ_B2G, to fix desktop b2g builds
# [17:23] <GPHemsley> jcranmer: But please keep me apprised of what you find out; right now unpaired quotes and repeated parameters cause invalid MIME types in my algorithm
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# [17:24] <GPHemsley> jcranmer: Haven't considered RFC 2231; let me know if you find anyone supporting it (or intending to)
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# [17:25] <jcranmer> GPHemsley: I'm working with a mail client; I have to support it
# [17:25] <jcranmer> [maybe not for Content-Type, but Content-Type application/octect-stream; name="" might use it]
# [17:25] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/291792974254 - Mathieu Bultel - Bug 773159 - Add support for returning the title and type of the active chrome window, r=mdas
# [17:26] <jcranmer> my investigation is mostly related to handling mailnews files
# [17:26] <GPHemsley> jcranmer: Oh, it's common there? Alright, I'll look into adding it
# [17:26] <Ms2ger> hsivonen, yt?
# [17:26] <GPHemsley> jcranmer: The continuation part at least seems relatively trivial
# [17:26] <jcranmer> GPHemsley: the HTTP equivalent is RFC 5987
# [17:27] <GPHemsley> ah, good to know
# [17:27] <GPHemsley> thanks
# [17:27] <jcranmer> basically, 5987 omits continuations
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# [17:27] <GPHemsley> hmm
# [17:28] <jcranmer> I don't think Content-Type is parsed with 2231/5987, but don't quote me on that
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# [17:30] <GPHemsley> jcranmer: Do you think it would make sense to allow parameter reassembly to occur after the invocation and return of this "parse a MIME type" algorithm?
# [17:30] <rillian> ehsan: pong
# [17:31] <GPHemsley> jcranmer: i.e. don't special case it in the algorithm
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# [17:31] <@ehsan> rillian: hey, just wanted to let you know that I'm doing the DOM bindings for WaveTable and OscillatorNode
# [17:31] <@ehsan> rillian: patches will be up on the bug later today
# [17:31] <jcranmer> the way I handle it myself is the algorithm takes "decode 2231" as a parameter
# [17:32] <jcranmer> [well, decode 2047 and decode 2231, but mail is REALLY special there]
# [17:32] <rillian> ehsan: awesome, thanks
# [17:32] <rillian> is there any dsp implementation in the current patches?
# [17:32] <@ehsan> rillian: no
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# [17:32] <jcranmer> function extractParameters(headerValue, doRFC2047, doRFC2231) {
# [17:32] <GPHemsley> hmm
# [17:32] <@ehsan> rillian: wavetable is almost done, I'll post it on the bug when my build is finished
# [17:33] <rillian> ok
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# [17:34] <philor> I should really avoid turning on the computer first thing in the morning
# [17:35] <philor> djvj: bustage
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# [17:35] <philor> actual 'actuals' actually not actually found
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# [17:36] <hsivonen> Ms2ger: pong
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# [17:36] <djvj> philor: looking
# [17:36] <djvj> philor: backing out.
# [17:37] <Ms2ger> hsivonen, how would you feel about making img getting associated with the form in <table><form><tr><td><img>?
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# [17:37] <hsivonen> Ms2ger: not enthusiastic but it would be *possible*. why?
# [17:38] <hsivonen> Ms2ger: we've gotten away without that sort of crazy. why start being crazier now?
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# [17:38] <Ms2ger> Well, we're another kind of crazy now :)
# [17:38] <Ms2ger> If you have <form></form><img name=x>, form.x gives you the img
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# [17:39] <hsivonen> Ms2ger: what do Trident and Blink do? why is that even a problem?
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# [17:40] <Ms2ger> In <table><form><tr><td><img name=x>, Gecko and Blink return the img for form.x
# [17:40] <Ms2ger> IE doesn't, it seems
# [17:41] <philor> vlad: and now that you (maybe, who knows?) fixed your first bustage, is https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=23440895&tree=Mozilla-Inbound you?
# [17:41] <Ms2ger> Maybe following IE would work
# [17:41] * philor thinks so
# [17:41] <hsivonen> Ms2ger: possibly
# [17:42] <hsivonen> Ms2ger: sorry gotta go
# [17:42] <djvj> philor: backed out
# [17:42] <Ms2ger> See you
# [17:42] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/f1992b1f5c42 - Kannan Vijayan - Backout a17bb92b2d52 for bustage, CLOSED TREE.
# [17:42] <djvj> philor: apologies.
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# [17:43] <vlad> philor: yeah, that assertion failure is me
# [17:43] <philor> and everybody who has a test in mochitest-1: reduce your test's output to the minimum possible, on an emergency basis, thx
# [17:43] <vlad> philor: I'll back out, one sec
# [17:43] <vlad> philor: this is what I get for trying to conserve tryserver resources :/
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# [17:44] <vlad> though wait wait
# [17:44] <vlad> this passed on OSX tryserver
# [17:44] <vlad> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=a0418f20a720
# [17:44] <philor> opt
# [17:44] <vlad> opt. right.
# [17:44] <vlad> yeah, see above, conserve resources, etc. fail
# [17:44] <philor> that's what you get for trying to conserve
# [17:44] <Ms2ger> Don't do that
# [17:45] <philor> yeah, always choose debug and fail to notice the lack of any Android tests, that's the more popular form of conservation :)
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# [17:51] <vlad> pushed backout
# [17:51] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/1ab5cdb9d252 - Vladimir Vukicevic - Backed out changeset fd25fb9e951e and 0f0c080ed1ba (bug 843599) for mac debug assertion failures on a CLOSED TREE
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# [17:51] <jcranmer> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=406667#c2 is funny
# [17:52] <Ms2ger> Sure, he can do whatever he wants on the 1.8 branch :)
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# [17:53] <jcranmer> I feel like mass closing Build Config bugs not on an active branch saying "if this is still a problem, reopen"
# [17:54] <jcranmer> still a problem on trunk*
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# [17:55] <philor> http://www.jwz.org/doc/cadt.html
# [17:55] <Ms2ger> This is still a problem on 1.8! Why did you close my bug?!
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# [17:58] <jcranmer> the real problem is that half of these bugs are basically "this doesn't work on my system" with no explanation of what "my system" is
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# [18:56] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/ac3784f25f7a - Bobby Holley - Bug 875251 - Push the JSContexts that get used in BluetoothAdapter, r=gabor
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# [19:31] <RattyAway> What's the bugzilla product/component for the crash reporter
# [19:32] <jdm> RattyAway: toolkit: breakpad
# [19:32] <RattyAway> jdm: thanks!
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# [20:06] <till> Yoric: extremely belated pong
# [20:06] <Yoric> till: Hi.
# [20:06] <till> Yoric: sorry, was first busy, then sick, then traveling back to Germany
# [20:07] <till> Yoric: hey :)
# [20:07] <Yoric> No problem.
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# [20:07] <Yoric> We can do this later if you want.
# [20:07] <Yoric> I hear you're working on integrating lz4 to our code base, I wanted to know the status and bug#.
# [20:07] <till> Yoric: now's entirely fine with me :)
# [20:07] <till> Yoric: ah, right, yes
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# [20:08] <Yoric> I'm going to make use of lz4 for perf stuff, so I'm interested.
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# [20:09] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/6e45e9f62d21 - Mike Shal - Bug 864774 - Part 2: Move CPPSRCS to moz.build as CPP_SOURCES; r=joey CLOSED TREE
# [20:09] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/d3b6e29faca1 - Mike Shal - Bug 864774 - Part 1: Support CPP_SOURCES in moz.build; r=gps
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# [20:10] <@gavin> do we support EventSource in workers?
# [20:10] <till> Yoric: these are the results I got: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=848223#c11
# [20:11] <till> Yoric: I just saw that we've got several bugs open for investigating this ...
# [20:11] <Ms2ger> gavin, I'd assume not
# [20:11] <@gavin> Ms2ger: why?
# [20:11] <till> Yoric: I'll see which one makes the most sense and attach my very rough experimental integration, there
# [20:11] <Ms2ger> gavin, because supporting anything in workers sucks
# [20:13] <till> Ms2ger: you're such a killjoy, you know ...
# [20:13] <Ms2ger> till, well, 'tis true, I wish it was otherwise
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# [20:15] <Yoric> till: Thanks.
# [20:15] <till> np
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# [20:16] <Ms2ger> khuey is working on making some parts of it better, but he got bitrotted nicely, I hear
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# [20:24] <till> Yoric: so, this is kinda embarrassing.
# [20:24] <till> Yoric: I seem to have lost my wip patch
# [20:24] <till> Yoric: it wasn't *that* hard to set up, however, so I'll just start over, I guess.
# [20:24] <Yoric> ok
# [20:24] <Yoric> Well, once it's done, I'm interested :)
# [20:25] <Yoric> I'll try and integrate this into OS.File.
# [20:25] <Yoric> This will give us the option to do on-the-fly whole file [de]compression, hence reducing file I/O.
# [20:26] <till> Yoric: oh, nice idea!
# [20:27] <till> Yoric: on the topic of js-ctypes, are you planning to convert those to binary data, once that lands?
# [20:27] <Yoric> I'd like it to happen.
# [20:27] * till just sees luke reassigning the reviews for all the patches on that to nmatsakis
# [20:27] <Yoric> Not sure I'll have time to do so, but I'd like it to happen.
# [20:28] <Yoric> Is nmatsakis working on js-ctypes?
# [20:28] <till> looks to me like that'd be the perfect match
# [20:28] <Yoric> I thought he was busy enough with PJS.
# [20:28] <till> yep, he is
# [20:28] <Yoric> Oh, and Rust.
# [20:28] <Yoric> And possibly bits of Servo.
# [20:28] <Yoric> Small stuff, all that :)
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# [20:28] <till> totally!
# [20:29] <till> also, he writes roughly a book per quarter in blog posts, but other than that ...
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# [20:31] <jdm> heh
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# [20:33] <yzen> Yoric: ping ?
# [20:33] <Yoric> yzen: pong
# [20:33] <Yoric> (not for long, though)
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# [20:33] <yzen> Yoric: re bug 866293 , it was not touched yet? if not, ill make a patch extending a timeout now-ish?
# [20:33] <Yoric> Sounds good.
# [20:34] <yzen> Yoric: cool thanks!
# [20:34] <Yoric> Oh, did you expect me to do it?
# [20:34] <yzen> Yoric: no i was just hoping that no-one else took it yet :)
# [20:34] <Yoric> :)
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# [20:40] <till> Wow, the Binary Data patches look really solid
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# [20:47] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/d3b6e29faca1 - Mike Shal - Bug 864774 - Part 1: Support CPP_SOURCES in moz.build; r=gps
# [20:47] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/6e45e9f62d21 - Mike Shal - Bug 864774 - Part 2: Move CPPSRCS to moz.build as CPP_SOURCES; r=joey CLOSED TREE
# [20:47] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/982dafef356c - Phil Ringnalda - Merge m-c to a CLOSED TREE m-i
# [20:55] <NeilAway> we need a trychooser annotation for "don't overdo it but then again don't give me false confidence to push"
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# [20:58] <dan> felipe: around?
# [20:58] <Ms2ger> That's -a
# [20:58] <felipe> dan: yes
# [20:58] <philor> -a[but not the pointless crap that only runs here]
# [20:58] <dan> felipe: I'm planning on working on firefox multitouch for linux and was told to talk to you about this
# [20:59] <dan> I've never coded anything for firefox before, so I'm not aware of the structure yet, but I do know how to implement tuio correctly (multitouch for linux)
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# [21:01] <felipe> dan: just a sec, getting some links for you
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# [21:06] <felipe> dan: I don't know exactly how tuio works these days (i looked at it long ago), but your best reference will probably be the windows implementation
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# [21:07] <felipe> dan: what kind of data does tuio give you? is it input received in the event loop?
# [21:07] <dan> felipe: tuio is udp and you basically just create a listener and wait for events
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# [21:08] <felipe> dan: ok. a good starting point will be here: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/widget/windows/nsWindow.cpp#5298
# [21:09] <felipe> but note that the win implementation is about to be much improved soon: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.dev.platform/QxgrqBlqAdk
# [21:09] <dan> felipe: ok, when is that "about" going to happen? :P
# [21:09] <felipe> so it's probably best to follow similar plans for linux as well
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# [21:11] <felipe> dan: I don't know for sure, but it's probably already a work-in-progress, at least the first steps.. You can probably get more info asking around in #windev
# [21:12] <dan> felipe: ok, so I should ask them about the status of firefox multitouch on windows and then try to do a similar implementation for linux/tuio?
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# [21:14] <felipe> yeah.. from reading the plans in that newsgroup you'll probably be able to reuse a lot of the upcoming coding since the idea is to move more of the logic away from the platform-specific implementation
# [21:14] <dan> ah, great
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# [21:17] <felipe> dan: android and b2g also have their own implementations.. you can take a look at those too for ideas
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# [21:18] <dan> felipe: ugh well, all having their own implementations probably isn't the best idea... but I guess the new implementation will replace that
# [21:19] <felipe> dan: it's more that each platform has a different way to get input that from the system.. so it's hard to completely avoid that
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# [21:20] <dan> true, but I thought there is some multi-platform wrapper. w3 touch events are standardised, after all
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# [21:24] <felipe> dan: yeah, there's a bit of that.. and hopefully more in the future
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# [21:25] <dan> felipe: so where do I start? I guess I should start getting familiar with the general structure first?
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# [21:29] <felipe> dan: probably by managing to add your input functions similar to OnKeyPressEvent in the linux code: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/widget/gtk2/nsWindow.cpp#2915
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# [21:33] <dan> felipe: thanks a lot :)
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# [21:34] <felipe> dan: you're welcome! good luck!
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# [21:53] <@ehsan> jdm: ping
# [21:54] <jdm> ehsan: pong
# [21:54] <@ehsan> jdm: so, should I repeat all of the nits from the previous reviews, or should I assume that you will address them before landing?
# [21:55] <jdm> ehsan: I thought I did, so please do
# [21:55] <@ehsan> jdm: I think some of those nits were actually important... :/
# [21:55] <@ehsan> ok
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# [22:09] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/6d43a8c88ddc - Andrew McCreight - Bug 874258 - Warn if we run shutdown CC more than twice. r=smaug
# [22:09] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/2741e5cccc8c - Andrew McCreight - Bug 873764 - Assert when CC runner isn't properly shut down. r=khuey
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# [22:10] <Ms2ger> Argh
# [22:10] <@smaug> :)
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# [22:26] <till> Ms2ger: my condolences, trying and failing to look angry is just bad
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# [22:26] <Ms2ger> :(
# [22:26] <Ms2ger> He's not here anyway
# [22:27] <till> that's good, then, I guess
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# [22:43] <tbsaunde> anyone know where froydnj disappeared to?
# [22:44] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/ed6e88a93ca0 - Andrea Marchesini - Bug 874252 - Leak with expando on a DOMError, r=khuey
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# [22:45] <firebot> froydnj was last seen 3 days, 22 hours, 13 minutes and a second ago, saying 'ehsan: what was the issue?' in #developers.
# [22:46] <Ms2ger> ehsan could tell him, but then he'd have to kill him?
# [22:46] <@ehsan> Ms2ger: I did tell him, and nobody has heard from him ever since...
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# [22:46] <@ehsan> muhahahaha
# [22:46] <Ms2ger> Oh dear, oh dear
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# [23:06] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/978ca38a477c - Joshua Cranmer - Bug 868285 - Fix static checking builds, part 3: actually check js/src. r=glandium
# [23:06] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/68a574b28567 - Joshua Cranmer - Bug 868285 - Fix static checking builds, part 1: infer MOZ_STACK_CLASS. r=bsmedberg
# [23:07] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/1d6a04be8c0f - Joshua Cranmer - Bug 868285 - Fix static checking builds, part 4: kill dehydra stack checking tests. r=bsmdberg
# [23:07] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/44f3413b9bc6 - Joshua Cranmer - Bug 868285 - Fix static checking builds, part 2: Add MOZ_NONHEAP_CLASS. r=ehsan
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# [23:15] <Yoric> (I suspect that you haven't had time to do so, but just in case)
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