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# [00:06] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/4579d2f68430 - Eddy Bruel - Bug 637572 - Fix for Script-sourceStart-03.js CLOSED TREE
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# [00:18] <philor> okay, who has an inbound tree and no hesitation about using it for CLOSED TREE backouts?
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# [00:19] <tbsaunde> philor: sure
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# [00:20] <philor> tbsaunde: thanks, 8c8b6adebb4c down through 7a1706d0e5b0 "for frequent failures in scrolling/text-1.html and scrolling/text-2.html reftests"
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# [00:34] <ialagenchev> Hello Everyone, I need to pass info between nsHttpChannel and nsDocument. One way that I've figured out how to do it is through passing a data structure through the nsDocumentOpenInfo->nsDSURIContentListener->nsDocShell->nsDocumentViewer->nsDocument chain. However that is going to require a lot of changes to a lot of classes and I am wondering if there isn't a better way to do this thing. One idea is to somehow register a callback i
# [00:34] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/495b385ae811 - Trevor Saunders - backout 7a1706d0e5b0 to 8c8b6adebb4c for frequent failures in scrolling/text-1.html and scrolling/text-2.html reftests on a CLOSED TREE
# [00:35] <@bz_away> ialagenchev: what sort of information?
# [00:35] <ialagenchev> for example warning about invalid HSTS headers
# [00:35] <ialagenchev> bz_away: this is for the security web console
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# [00:39] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/d27425f46c14 - Sriram Ramasubramanian - Bug 869123: Quick share action for android menu. [r=wesj]
# [00:40] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/760499cbe81d - Sriram Ramasubramanian - Bug 848317: ActionBar corruption on Nexus 4. [r=mfinkle]
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# [00:41] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/1ad0d609ccd1 - Chris Peterson - Bug 776223 - Catch NullPointerException from Samsung's buggy clipboard API. r=blassey
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# [00:43] <tbsaunde> philor: you have more confidence in my ability to back out a zillion commits than I do :p
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# [00:45] <krit> dholbert: ping
# [00:45] <philor> tbsaunde: lots of faith, plus little patience for sitting around closed waiting for a backout to build
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# [00:48] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/dc659dc71d5d - Ethan Hugg - Bug 876489 - Signaling fix ccprovider::getDigits r=jesup
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# [00:55] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/4187c565aec5 - Malini Das - Bug 876835 - fix python 2.6 failures due to assertIn, r=jgriffin
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# [01:03] <GPHemsley> jcranmer: The algorithm has been updated to address some of the things we discovered/discussed (though there are others that have not yet been addressed).
# [01:03] <GPHemsley> jcranmer: BTW, you can follow @mimesniff on Twitter to track commits, if you want.
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# [01:08] <dholbert> krit, pong
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# [01:12] <philor> sweet, somebody broke Beta
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# [01:12] <jgilbert> philor: exciting
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# [01:14] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/779a5cfb5395 - Jeff Gilbert - Bug 874929 - Check whether GLES2 platforms support OES_standard_derivatives. - r=bjacob
# [01:14] <tbsaunde> hm, inbound's still open maybe I should toss assertion annotation removals at it now
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# [01:15] <jgilbert> tbsaunde: make hay while the tree's not on fire
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# [01:17] <tbsaunde> jgilbert: yeah, especially when its possible I'll get to burn a test or two
# [01:17] <jgilbert> tbsaunde: it might hide in with the rest and stick!
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# [01:23] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/f57219a206a8 - Rodrigo Silveira - Bug 875448 - The urlbar edit right-click context menu doesn't display
# [01:23] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/482b8c3e91f7 - Rodrigo Silveira - Bug 867641 - Find bar covers text
# [01:23] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/beccca95bd49 - Rodrigo Silveira - Bug 874917 - Find bar disappears while touch scrolling page
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# [01:23] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/1739d95b627b - Rodrigo Silveira - Bug 856712 - HTTPS certificate Visit Site/Add permanent exception buttons are not working
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# [01:30] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/a38ef60582d9 - Wes Johnston - Bug 874689 - Move android file picker to a js component. r=mfinkle
# [01:30] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/b6147b141643 - Wes Johnston - Bug 874689 - Use message passing for file picker. r=blassey
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# [01:32] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/7eacb1aea9a4 - Federico Paolinelli - Bug 746976 - Tapping a download notification for unknown files types should open the download manager to the download. r=wesj
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# [01:36] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/440a43ef836d - Trevor Saunders - no bug - remove probably unneeded assertion annotations
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# [01:37] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/7feae3bc43fa - Wes Johnston - Bug 875119 - Create a Prompt.jsm to simplify advanced interactions with the native prompts. r=mfinkle
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# [01:42] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/2defb982c769 - Jeff Gilbert - Backout 779a5cfb5395 for burning
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# [01:48] <reuben> mccr8: FWIW, I recommend iTerm: http://www.iterm2.com/
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# [01:48] <mccr8> reuben: terminal works for me. :) well, outside of this mach problem...
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# [01:48] <reuben> but the footer is so shiny…
# [01:48] <reuben> :P
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# [02:13] <brson> what static analysis does mozilla regularly use to catch bugs related to memory safety? valgrind I assume. are there others?
# [02:13] <brson> in gecko specifically
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# [02:17] <mccr8> brson: ASAN
# [02:18] <brson> mccr8: thanks. do you use ASAN in place of valgrind these days?
# [02:18] <mccr8> brson: Firefox and shell builds are fuzzed in ASAN
# [02:18] <mccr8> brson: I personally don't really use either, but we get way more sec bugs filed with ASAN than Valgrind.
# [02:18] <mccr8> like, orders of magnitude more...
# [02:19] <Jesse> (valgrind and asan are dynamic analysis, not static analysis)
# [02:19] <mccr8> ah true. :)
# [02:19] <brson> Jesse: yeah, I really meant 'analysis'
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# [02:19] <brson> is gecko using anything like coverity regularly?
# [02:19] <mccr8> nope
# [02:19] <mccr8> valgrind is run through mochitest once a day or something. gkw monitors that I think.
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# [02:20] <Jesse> dveditz has access to coverity runss
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# [02:20] <mccr8> brson: the current work on making JS precisely rooted uses static analysis
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# [02:21] <@dveditz> Jesse: old ones... their current tool doesn't build enough of Firefox atm to get results.
# [02:21] <Jesse> :/
# [02:21] <@dveditz> stopped working earlier this year and I haven't had time to delve into it
# [02:21] <mccr8> brson: see https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=829243 it uses whatever bhackett's static analysis thing is called.
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# [02:21] <Jesse> sixgill?
# [02:21] <mccr8> ah that's it
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# [02:22] <mccr8> the things it finds will be memory hazards once we switch to precise stack scanning
# [02:22] <brson> dveditz: good to know you have used it though. has it been useful?
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# [02:23] <wg9s> what is this new magenta colr on tbpl?
# [02:23] <Jesse> wg9s: click 'help' in the upper left for a legend
# [02:23] <mccr8> wg9s: I think it means the build was manually cancelled
# [02:23] <jgilbert> 'usercancel'
# [02:23] <mccr8> brson: but anyways, ASAN has found hundreds of sec-crits. hundreds...
# [02:23] <mccr8> brson: many in super old code...
# [02:23] <wg9s> ah they call it pink
# [02:24] <jgilbert> the real question is why pink counts towards the error count :<
# [02:24] <bsmith> Looking at nsIPermissionManager, I don't see how one tests for a permission that might be set only in private browsing mode.
# [02:24] <bsmith> What is the intended interaction between private browsing mode and permissions?
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# [02:25] <Jesse> brson: we mostly use fuzzers to catch memory safety bugs, and so do the top contributors to our bug bounty program. we run our fuzzers in several browser/shell configurations (debug, ASan, soon MSan)
# [02:26] <mccr8> people have done some TSan stuff too for thread-related things, and Helgrind. Not as much turned up there, though.
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# [02:27] <@khuey|tw> Jesse: MSan?
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# [02:28] <brson> I haven't heard of msan either
# [02:28] <mccr8> maybe this? http://code.google.com/p/memory-sanitizer/
# [02:28] <cdiehl> mccr8: that's because we are not running it right now (me personally was only running it for getting WebRTC race free)
# [02:28] <cpeterson> mccr8: does ASAN find more bugs than Valgrind because it is faster (so it can cover more code) or because it has different checks? I've downloaded some ASAN Firefox builds. If there was an ASAN Nightly that auto-updated, I would totally use that too! :)
# [02:29] <mccr8> cdiehl: ah ok. I saw a burst of things filed, then it was quiet. :)
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# [02:29] <mccr8> cpeterson: ASAN checks less, I believe. no checking for uninitialized memory.
# [02:30] <mccr8> cpeterson: it is just way faster, and I would bet fuzzing is in many ways hardware-bound...
# [02:30] <mccr8> aka more hardware = more bugs
# [02:30] <cpeterson> mccr8: I know ASAN checks less than Valgrind, which is why I was surprised.
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# [02:30] <mrbkap> Is inbound opened or closed right now?
# [02:30] <Jesse> cpeterson: mostly because it's faster, but it also checks a few things valgrind doesn't (esp stack and global buffer overflows)
# [02:30] <mccr8> cpeterson: ASAN finds use-after-frees, which are the most common thing.
# [02:31] <mccr8> oh, interesting.
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# [02:32] <bsmith> Easier question: which mailing list is "the" mailing list to talk about private browsing? firefox-dev? dev-privacy? dev-platform?
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# [02:38] <brson> mccr8, Jesse: thanks for the help
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# [02:54] <gkw> mccr8: Valgrind gets run through PGO tests, not mochitests, and I barely monitor that now :-/
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# [02:55] <mccr8> brson: ^
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# [03:23] <ted> it looks like safari renders 2d canvas at native retina resolution and we don't
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# [03:24] <@roc> Chrome doesn't either
# [03:25] <@roc> it's a tradeoff
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# [03:25] <ted> it looks a lot nicer in safari :-/
# [03:25] <@roc> also Safari on iOS doesn't
# [03:25] <ted> interesting
# [03:25] <@roc> it's also slower in Safari
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# [03:25] <ted> i guess unsurprisingly, shuffling 4x the pixels around
# [03:25] <@roc> well, it might be faster than us because Quartz acceleration, but relative to not-retina resolution...
# [03:25] <ted> but it's so pretty
# [03:25] <@roc> Web devs can get the higher resolution by inspecting devicePixelRatio and scaling things
# [03:26] <ted> oh, you can scale and make it work?
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# [03:26] <@roc> http://www.html5rocks.com/en/tutorials/canvas/hidpi/
# [03:27] <RyanVM|afk> nalexander: so about that bustage fix of yours...
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# [03:27] <ted> thanks
# [03:27] * ted will have to fiddle with that
# [03:27] <@roc> The everything-except-Safari-Mac approach is kinder on compatibility too
# [03:28] <@roc> having authors do the scaling thing is a bit ugly but it works today everywhere and lets authors opt-in, so I think it probably wins
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# [03:28] <@roc> it's also a bit simpler since it avoids introducing the concept of a "high DPI canvas backing store"
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# [03:29] <philor> RyanVM: I think you mean "huh, a patch that clearly was never compiled, and it had more than just the one stray character in it?"
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# [03:29] <RyanVM> philor: i'm getting ready to backout every mobile patch that landed after tbsaunde's push
# [03:29] <ted> roc: yeah, i suppose, it's just..nonintuitive
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# [03:30] <philor> RyanVM: possibly too much, but certainly too little, we should go ahead and back out sriram's, even though I was sort of curious to see how he would fare after a clobber
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# [03:31] <RyanVM> the rc1 failure looks legit too
# [03:31] <philor> yeah, but where it started is crazy
# [03:31] <philor> that was where I started wondering what would happen post-clobber
# [03:32] <RyanVM> if you want me to stick with just the two for now, that's fine with me
# [03:32] <RyanVM> i won't be around very long tonight anyway
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# [03:34] <philor> b6147b141643:a38ef60582d9, d27425f46c14:760499cbe81d, hope and pray?
# [03:34] <vlad> avih: sorry, I've been trying to get to it every day since I got back.. will do it during intermission of this hockey game ;)
# [03:34] <philor> I dunno, I lost faith in being able to interpret things as soon as the second rc1 hit
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# [03:35] <philor> maybe it's cpeterson needing a clobber? maybe it's meat, maybe it's cake?
# [03:35] <cpeterson> philor: let me look..
# [03:35] <RyanVM> i'm going to clobber android again before pushing the backout
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# [03:36] <cpeterson> philor, RyanVM: which Android tests are failing?
# [03:36] <RyanVM> rc1 is the one we're eyeing
# [03:36] <RyanVM> the rest are spoken for
# [03:37] <RyanVM> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=23511248&tree=Mozilla-Inbound
# [03:37] <RyanVM> for example
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# [03:38] <RyanVM> bz: ok if I take [need review] off bug 875620?
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# [03:38] <cpeterson> RyanVM: I don't think that is my fault <:)
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# [03:38] <RyanVM> cpeterson: we shall see, I guess
# [03:39] <cpeterson> "couldn't possibly be my code's fault" <- famous last words!
# [03:39] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/4f038a760d09 - Ryan VanderMeulen - Backed out changeset d27425f46c14 (bug 869123) for robocop-2 failures.
# [03:39] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/acc549b97117 - Ryan VanderMeulen - Backed out changesets 3c08a0d87dc5, b6147b141643, and a38ef60582d9 (bug 874689) for Android build bustage.
# [03:40] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/d1b1b018a383 - Ryan VanderMeulen - Backed out changeset 760499cbe81d (bug 848317) for robocop-2 failures.
# [03:40] <RyanVM> well, at least I don't have to worry about doing anything with those other 30+ checkin-needed bugs tonight
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# [03:40] <Callek> cpeterson: well I know it coudn't possibly be my codes fault
# [03:40] <Callek> since i didn't land anything
# [03:41] <cpeterson> Callek: maybe you were supposed to? :)
# [03:41] <Callek> shhh
# [03:41] <Callek> no playing logic on me
# [03:41] <philor> RyanVM: I bet Birch is open!
# [03:41] <RyanVM> philor: already did all those :(
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# [03:42] <philor> you should open Cypress!
# [03:42] <RyanVM> on the other hand, joduinn did want us to consider using fx-team as an alternative to inbound...
# [03:42] <RyanVM> oh snap
# [03:42] <RyanVM> that should actually work now, right?
# [03:42] <nalexander> RyanVM: that bustage fix wasn't enough
# [03:42] <nalexander> ?
# [03:42] <RyanVM> good call
# [03:42] <philor> fx-team is unsuitable for /js/src/, but other than the clone failures that will kill half the shell builds, cypress isn't
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# [03:43] <nalexander> philor: RyanVM: yeah, I guess we should have figured something was up :(
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# [03:45] <vlad> mine is basically broken, I can't actually get it to stop at breakpoints
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# [03:55] <@roc> vlad: lldb?
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# [04:01] <mattwoodrow> vlad: The default gdb (6.3.50-20050815) seems to work fine for me
# [04:01] <mattwoodrow> do breakpoints appear to get set correctly?
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# [04:08] <mattwoodrow> Apparently it's possible to build and sign gdb 7, but I couldn't get it to work
# [04:08] <vlad> and sign?
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# [04:09] <mattwoodrow> osx won't let you use a debugger that hasn't been code signed
# [04:09] <mattwoodrow> http://sourceware.org/gdb/wiki/BuildingOnDarwin
# [04:10] <@bz_away> because you might debug iTunes
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# [04:18] <reuben> bsmedberg: I think you'll like this: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/2456369
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# [04:33] <philor> "oh, this log was over 50MB so it got cut down to exactly 50MB? I better load that in my browser."
# [04:34] <philor> "oh, danger high voltage? I better touch it to see how high."
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# [04:42] <Jesse_> philor: http://quotes.burntelectrons.org/6946
# [04:42] <philor> and one of these days I'm going to have to be brave and look at how many more test_browserElement_oop_ tests there are, than I haven't yet put in the summary of a Exited with code -20 during test run bug
# [04:42] <philor> Jesse_: yeah, I absolutely loved the limping patches climbing back up
# [04:43] <philor> I think that's why I hate it when someone relands minutes after they're backed out, I want to see some struggle and redemption
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# [04:45] <philor> uh oh, win64 got broken while it was broken, what are the odds?
# [04:46] <philor> jlebar: or is https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=23514709&tree=Mozilla-Central just more of the same, rather than a different bustage?
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# [04:52] <philor> there is that talk about webrtc right above it...
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# [04:52] <jlebar> philor: I fixed your bustage today. Isn't that enough?
# [04:52] <GPHemsley> Feedback welcome: http://mimesniff.spec.whatwg.org/#parse-a-mime-type
# [04:52] <GPHemsley> jcranmer|away: ^
# [04:53] <@khuey|tw> jlebar: lol
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# [04:53] <philor> jlebar: but I *have* to have my win64 nightly build, so I can keep my 17,000 tabs open all at once!
# [04:53] <jlebar> khuey|tw: And by "your bustage", I mean my bustage, to be clear.
# [04:53] <jlebar> lol
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# [05:04] <Callek> karl: (assuming you === karlt) does 876553 mean that we need the newer gtk to build, or just the newer gtk to run that piece of code?
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# [05:05] <karl> Callek: newer gtk to build and run that piece of code; building against older gtk will just not include that code
# [05:06] <karl> surrounding code will still build fine with older gtk
# [05:06] <Callek> karl: more I'm asking "does seamonkey builders not having newer gtk prevent the build from completing -- or just prevents that piece of code from working"
# [05:06] <Callek> ahhh ok
# [05:06] <Callek> thats what I *thought* just wasn't certain
# [05:06] <karl> yes, "just prevents that piece of code from working"
# [05:07] <karl> seamonkey won't notice any difference from the change, if built against old gtk
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# [05:10] <Callek> karl: either way as said, we're not a blocker there, I just like to double check my own assumptions sometimes -- so thanks again!
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# [05:47] <philor> we're open, bring it on
# [05:49] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/88db24de216c - Dan Sharkey - Bug 855847 - Updated console service to give more productive error message when reentrant; r=jlebar
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# [05:51] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/d3a809d08cc9 - Aki Sasaki - bug 872765 - b2g emulator package-tests, upload the tests. r=jgriffin
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# [05:54] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/ff126a7cf2ca - André Reinald - Bug 873010 - Artifacts around small overlay scrollbars in select boxes, r=mstange
# [05:54] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/12178e8e457b - André Reinald - Bug 873012 - In case we use overlay scrollbars, and we run on system 10.8 or later, make them overlap in the bottom right corner, r=smichaud
# [05:54] <jcranmer|away> hey, I built with my patch
# [05:55] <philor> that takes all the sport out of it
# [05:55] <philor> hahahaha, first red!
# [05:56] <philor> jlebar: how about you, did you build with what you pushed?
# [05:56] <jlebar> philor: is that seriously red?
# [05:56] <philor> red like blood
# [05:56] <jlebar> for goodness's sake
# [05:57] <philor> it puts the semicolon at the end of the line, or it gets the red again red
# [05:58] <jcranmer|away> to be fair, the build I actually care about is not on that tree
# [05:58] <jlebar> philor: no good deed, I tell you.
# [05:59] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/472aca16cb45 - Justin Lebar - Bug 855847 - Follow-up: Add semicolon. r=me on a CLOSED TREE
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# [06:02] <philor> eh, let's roll
# [06:03] <philor> not like I would have closed now before we got to bustage 30 minutes from now
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# [06:09] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/e5f15e37a58f - Patrick McManus - bug 790388 part 6 - spdy push xpcshell test r=hurley
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# [06:09] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/457ace983ef6 - Patrick McManus - bug 790388 part 4 - upgrade testing/node-spdy to 1.8.8 r=hurley
# [06:10] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/b51af2197f7b - Patrick McManus - bug 790388 part 2 - fix spdysession writesegments() return values r=hurley
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# [06:16] <philor> okay
# [06:16] <philor> now we're going to stay closed until we see green
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# [06:17] <philor> and we're going to back out Dan's patch, and jlebar's followup, and we're going to see them again *AFTER* someone compiles them
# [06:18] <h4writer> ah looks like I don't have to report bustage. Sherif is already on it ;)
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# [06:18] <jlebar> philor: Do I get credit for pushing late at night?
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# [06:19] <philor> jlebar: you do, credit exactly equal to the debit you get for being first push after a closure, like you hadn't ever seen what happens to that position before
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# [06:22] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/f2a7f32a06ba - Phil Ringnalda - Back out 472aca16cb45 (bug 855847) for being necessary but not sufficient
# [06:22] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/0d52ae944c00 - Phil Ringnalda - Back out 88db24de216c (bug 855847) for not actually successfully compiling
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# [06:23] <darkowlzz> bz, ping!
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# [06:31] <philor> aki: you look busted
# [06:32] <philor> or perhaps it's just the whole concept of building off 84 separate repos, dunno
# [06:32] <philor> oops, 85
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# [06:35] <philor> ah, "21:26:39 INFO - Fetching projects: 51% (44/85) fatal: remote error: FATAL: R any b2g/device_generic_goldfish gitweb DENIED by fallthru "
# [06:35] <philor> "21:26:39 INFO - (or you mis-spelled the reponame) "
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# [06:37] <reuben> hehehe
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# [06:50] <aki> hm, i pushed to try
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# [06:52] <philor> Fetching projects: 10% (9/86) error: Cannot fetch platform_prebuilts_qemu-kernel
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# [06:52] <philor> so it's not your patch, it's infra, let's blame releng!
# [06:52] <efaust> "welcome to hell"
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# [06:53] <aki> https://github.com/mozilla-b2g/b2g-manifest/commit/91da030dd85cc56ce7b43a57600f9af24c104bbf ?
# [06:53] <aki> no, that's apitrace
# [06:53] <aki> but 21:44:27 INFO - __main__.MissingRepositoryException: Missing the /builds/slave/b2g_m-in_emulator_dep-00000000/build/external/apitrace repository
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# [06:53] <philor> yeah, my assumption is that the reason I've have never, not even once, gotten any sort of an answer about the b2g build system is that the designer died of acute alcohol poisoning when he got it as close to finished as it ever got
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# [06:54] <aki> plus https://github.com/mozilla-b2g/b2g-manifest/commit/abcffdac12c1c2c79e13f76405c47887308b3942 and https://github.com/mozilla-b2g/b2g-manifest/commit/d2136f4e1de5dc6f9a869fe9207cc963314e1f0b
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# [06:55] <aki> well, we can blame https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=831147 and https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=852583
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# [07:04] <aki> jhford: vicamo : ^^
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# [07:04] <jhford> aki: are the manifests correct on github?
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# [07:05] <aki> how do you mean?
# [07:05] <aki> they're pointing to repos that appear to not exist on git.m.o
# [07:05] <aki> since the builds pull from git.m.o, broken builds
# [07:05] <jhford> are the manifests pointing to github or git.m.o?
# [07:06] <aki> they're pointing at github. but we munge the manifests to pull from git.m.o
# [07:06] <aki> landing new stuff on the manifests without syncing those will result in bustage
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# [07:07] <aki> we shouldn't pull from github
# [07:07] <philor> see also #b2g, because we always have to have multichannel bustage fixing
# [07:07] <jhford> then the vcs->vcs system should know how to monitor for new repositories showing up in manifests
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# [07:07] <jhford> i would guess
# [07:07] <aki> we should limit changes to b2g manifests
# [07:08] <jhford> i disagree
# [07:08] <aki> i think it's the right fix
# [07:08] <jhford> i think it's the wrong fix
# [07:08] <jhford> let's concentrate on getting things working again for now
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# [07:08] <jhford> can you start syncing the new repository?
# [07:08] <aki> backing out is the fastest fix
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# [07:10] <qDot> Oh
# [07:10] <qDot> Hey
# [07:10] <jhford> i can't comment to whether or not it should be backed out
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# [07:10] <jhford> but I can say that syncing the repository or not munging that repository in the manifest will also fix it
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# [07:11] <aki> pulling from github in production is not a good idea
# [07:11] <qDot> So I just managed a repo sync off master.
# [07:11] <qDot> aki++
# [07:12] <jhford> aki: sure! so let's fix the vcs->vcs system to handle this case
# [07:12] <aki> that's a matter of hours if it's a blocker must-page-after-hours
# [07:13] <aki> backing out is minutes
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# [07:13] <jhford> aki: is adding the repository to the list of repos that get synced hours of work?
# [07:13] <aki> there is no repo to push to on git.m.o
# [07:14] <aki> so we can page IT oncall to create it, then wait for that to happen, verify it, then add it to the list, and have it sync
# [07:14] <jhford> i can't comment to the importance of landing that repository
# [07:14] <aki> then let's back out
# [07:14] <aki> and do this properly
# [07:14] * jhford very busy with important bug right now, please link to the bug
# [07:14] <jhford> what do you mean by "properly"
# [07:15] <aki> [21:55] <aki> well, we can blame https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=831147 and https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=852583
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# [07:15] <aki> properly == do the needful before landing manifest changes that affect all b2g builds on m-c level trees
# [07:16] <aki> that would require setting up the repos on git.m.o and having them sync before landing
# [07:16] <jhford> i think that statement is making assumptions
# [07:17] <jhford> backing out 831147 should be fine for, but I cannot speak for the other
# [07:17] <aki> leaving builds busted for hours is better than ... ?
# [07:17] <philor> how about if we just make the b2g builds and tests not visible by default, and let b2g developers watch them?
# [07:18] <reuben> lol
# [07:18] <jhford> aki: when I've pinged hal about this before, the repositories are created quickly
# [07:19] <aki> you've pinged him about this at 10:19pm before?
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# [07:21] <jhford> i need to look into the bluetooth one to see if it's possible to back out
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# [07:22] <jhford> since it's a manifest repository, this may require multiple backouts
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# [07:23] <jhford> s/repository/change/
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# [07:41] <heycam> we have emus now?
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# [07:41] <philor> we do!
# [07:41] <philor> or perhaps it would be more accurate to say that we did
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# [07:53] <jhford> aki: i think we can safely backout those manifest changes, but I'm not 100% sure
# [07:54] <jhford> i will do the backouts now, comment on the bugs
# [07:56] <aki> ty
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# [07:58] <@dbaron> emus? The birds or the train equipment?
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# [07:59] <jhford> aki: how does your munger work?
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# [08:00] <jhford> i.e. does it work by munging the remote named b2ggithub or does it do a url level change for all github.com addresses
# [08:00] <@dbaron> philor, also, the number of repos varies depending on your configuration options :-P
# [08:00] <aki> jhford: http://hg.mozilla.org/build/mozharness/file/0d617721bacb/mozharness/mozilla/repo_manifest.py
# [08:00] <aki> jhford: it has a list of known remotes
# [08:01] <aki> we knew it was fragile but didn't have an elegant solution
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# [08:01] <aki> http://hg.mozilla.org/build/mozharness/file/0d617721bacb/configs/b2g/releng.py#l64
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# [08:01] <aki> plus the other files in that directory
# [08:02] <jhford> the backout will end up with apitrace still being pulled from github, fwiw
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# [08:02] <philor> dbaron: emus like http://dwpicture.com.au/photos/67918b.jpg
# [08:02] <@dbaron> philor, btw, is the only reason the tree is closed the "B2G Emu opt"?
# [08:02] <aki> except we'll munge it to point to git.m.o
# [08:02] <philor> dbaron: it is indeed, exactly and precisely
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# [08:03] <@dbaron> philor, so we should just keep retriggering until whatever server is down becomes up?
# [08:03] <jhford> aki: but it'll but us into a state which has worked for 2 days
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# [08:03] <jhford> aki: no, you won't
# [08:03] <jhford> unless the builds have been broken for 2 days
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# [08:03] <philor> dbaron: no, the backout that jhford and aki are talking about is in theory going to fix things
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# [08:03] <@dbaron> philor, ah, ok
# [08:04] <aki> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=23513410&tree=Mozilla-Inbound&full=1
# [08:04] <aki> 16:48:21 INFO - Fetching projects: 14% (13/87) From https://git.mozilla.org/external/apitrace/apitrace
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# [08:07] <jhford> aki: is this breaking nonemu builds
# [08:07] <aki> not afaict
# [08:07] <@dbaron> philor, how long did you spend finding that photo, btw?
# [08:08] <jhford> ok
# [08:09] <philor> dbaron: maybe 3 minutes, I wanted a falling down gif to go with my Panda falling down gif, but apparently emus are better about not falling
# [08:09] <vicamo> aki, jhford: pong
# [08:09] <jhford> vicamo: pong
# [08:09] <aki> vicamo: we're backing your b2g manifests change
# [08:10] <vicamo> aki: I had a quick scan on above conversations
# [08:10] <philor> had I been smarter, I would have started looking 90 minutes ago, when the tree closure became about this
# [08:10] <aki> ok
# [08:11] <vicamo> aki: but I don't understand why that breaks some builds?
# [08:11] <aki> we don't pull from github for production builds
# [08:11] <aki> we pull from git.m.o. a new repo, or a new remote, can break our ability to do that
# [08:12] <aki> the repo because it doesn't exist on git.m.o yet; the remote because our manifest munging configs specify what each remote maps to on git.m.o
# [08:12] <vicamo> aki: but we do have repoistories from github, say external/apriori
# [08:12] <vicamo> external/elfcopy, external/elfutils
# [08:12] <aki> and everything that's needed has been mirrored to git.m.o, but we have to know about them first
# [08:12] <philor> oh, look, https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Birch&jobname=b2g_birch_emulator_dep&rev=eeac29ad6366 - first one doesn't count, it's earlier, but we could succeed as frequently as one in eight times!
# [08:13] <jhford> vicamo: the manifests aren't monitored by the vcs syncing system
# [08:13] <vicamo> don't quite understand the reason "b2g has decided that pulling repos directly from github during builds is a good idea."
# [08:14] <vicamo> so it's a good idea now?
# [08:14] <aki> you'll find the sheriffs use a lot of sarcasm
# [08:14] <philor> no, we're closed because of deciding it would be a good idea, because it. is. not.
# [08:15] <philor> coming up on two hours, I'm opening inbound at 11:30, whether I have to do it by throwing all b2g jobs under the hidden bus or not, this has gone on ridiculously too long
# [08:15] <philor> and no, I don't mean just the one that's broken *this time*, I mean all of them, until this can no longer happen
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# [08:18] <@dolske> fine
# [08:18] <@dbaron> vicamo, when philor wrote "good idea" he meant "bad idea". That's sarcasm... which doesn't translate very well for non-native speakers.
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# [08:19] <vicamo> true, these things are not very helpful for non-native speakers :(
# [08:19] <markh> they've moved on from the sarcasm you get in a flask, to the sarcasm that comes in plastic bags and gets chopped up with a credit card...
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# [08:19] <@dolske> tofu?
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# [08:20] <philor> it doesn't have to be read as sarcasm, the thing after the word CLOSED is the explanation of why the tree is closed, and the tree is closed because b2g decided it would be a good idea to pull the tip of repos from github
# [08:20] <markh> I guess really expensive tofu...
# [08:21] <vicamo> hmmm, I personally don't think we should pull any external repos, inclusive of codeaurora ones.
# [08:22] <vicamo> but just can't find a clear rule that stating we shouldn't do so, and there are actually github repos listed in manifest right now.
# [08:23] <aki> agreed. the current solution involves munging the manifests to point to git.m.o instead. however, that requires developers to tell releng before they change manifests
# [08:23] <vicamo> yes, we definitely should.
# [08:24] <vicamo> but there comes another question, why such commits fail the build?
# [08:24] <aki> https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/mozilla.dev.b2g/HXDDeOGGkvA
# [08:24] <philor> open
# [08:24] <vicamo> are we manually overwrite manifest on our build servers?
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# [08:25] <aki> vicamo: yeah, we rewrite the manifests before we run 'repo' on the build machines
# [08:25] <aki> it's not ideal, but it seemed like the best of a mixed bag of options
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# [08:26] <aki> but that requires that a) we know what each remote maps to, and b) the repos mentioned in the manifests exist on git.m.o
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# [08:33] <vicamo> aki: we used to have a CI server that generates last green manifest dumps
# [08:34] <vicamo> aki: maybe that helps isolating such problems, and keep other trees running
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# [08:35] <vicamo> I mean Garmin
# [08:36] <@dbaron> hmmm, lost the push race
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# [08:37] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/14b9894272cb - L. David Baron - Bug 815408: Ignore CSS transitions and animations in print and print preview. r=bzbarsky
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# [08:53] <@roc> fabrice: does approval-mozilla-b2g18+ mean v1-train only?
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# [08:56] <ejpbruel> i don't get it
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# [08:57] <twi> anyone familiar with mach? is EXTERNAL_MAKE_DIRS supposed to work/be useful?
# [08:58] <twi> i'm working on https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=851290 integrating gst in m-c
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# [09:01] <markh> twi: I don't know, but gps is the mach guru, and in that bug he pointed at EXTERNAL_DIRS rather than EXTERNAL_MAKE_DIRS, and if anyone would know, he would...
# [09:01] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/ea16ea097418 - Mihai Sucan - Bug 859756 - [browserconsole] Show nsIConsoleMessages in the Browser Console; r=robcee
# [09:01] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/a6c12acfa421 - Mihai Sucan - Bug 859756 - [browserconsole] Add timestamp to nsIConsoleMessages; r=bz
# [09:01] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/cfcce7c5eb74 - Anton Kovalyov - Bug 817836 - Support for console.profile and console.profileEnd; r=dcamp
# [09:01] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/e0ed2a79d290 - Mihai Sucan - Bug 602006 - Remove Error Console Menu Items; r=Mossop,dao
# [09:02] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/e58336e81395 - Ryan VanderMeulen - Merge m-c to fx-team.
# [09:02] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/33c3d03ff3c1 - Anton Kovalyov - Backed out changeset 4f2586fe4489
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# [09:02] <markh> hrm - but that a mxr for that does seem suspect. So if I were you, I'd just ignore me :)
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# [09:05] <twi> markh i think mach translates EXTERNAL_MAKE_DIRS to EXTERNAL_DIRS or something, but i just don't get how the whole thing is supposed to work since the build system still tries to run with make export/make libs/make tools
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# [09:05] <twi> although, static=True to add_tier_directory might be the trick
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# [09:18] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/7698a95cd136 - Daniel Holbert - Bug 874418: Assert that placeholders are reflowed before their out-of-flows. r=bz
# [09:18] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/85de1d79d8be - Daniel Holbert - Bug 876766: Fix out of order init list in PeerConnectionMedia.h. r=ehugg
# [09:18] <edmorley> dbaron++
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# [09:27] <avih> vlad: np (and thx for the review), just thought you might have missed it.
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# [09:37] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/ae535a7a3489 - Simon Montagu - Assert that entry exists before removing it. Bug 876155, r=ehsan
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# [09:42] <@dbaron> edmorley, the reftest harness patch?
# [09:45] <edmorley> dbaron: indeed :-)
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# [09:47] <twi> markh so looks like add_tier_directory(…, static=True) made it compile, but now the resulting shared libs are not being installed anywhere in dist/, do you happen to know how that's supposed to work?
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# [09:50] <heycam> dbaron, interestingly, I had ticked the "Ignore bug mail" box for that bug and so didn't receive an email about the review request
# [09:50] <@dbaron> heycam, want to file a bug that "Ignore bug mail" shouldn't lead to request mail being ignored?
# [09:50] <@dbaron> heycam, or should I do it?
# [09:51] <heycam> ha
# [09:51] <heycam> well
# [09:51] <heycam> that's kind of the behaviour I want
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# [09:51] <@dbaron> really?
# [09:51] <heycam> "that" = "please still send me request mails"
# [09:52] <@dbaron> right
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# [09:52] <heycam> dbaron, I will leave it to you, thanks :)
# [09:52] <@dbaron> but you didn't get a request mail... so something needs fixing, no?
# [09:52] <heycam> yes
# [09:52] <heycam> that something might not be "make Ignore Bug Mail work in this way" though
# [09:53] <@dbaron> I wonder if "Ignore bug mail" is a b.m.o extension
# [09:53] <glob> dbaron, it isn't
# [09:53] <glob> by design you won't receive *any* emails if you enable it
# [09:53] <glob> heycam, what bug are you talking about?
# [09:54] <heycam> 864686
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# [09:54] <glob> heycam, you would have been better of removing yourself from the CC list
# [09:54] <heycam> glob, yes, I suppose so; not sure exactly what I wanted when I ticked the box
# [09:54] <@dbaron> glob, I presume he watches the component
# [09:54] <heycam> oh yes
# [09:54] <heycam> that is indeed the issue ;)
# [09:55] <glob> ah :)
# [09:55] <glob> b..but everyone loves tbpl comment bugmail
# [09:55] <heycam> "Ignore bug mail from tbpl or philor or one of the other sherrifs if the comment just contains a tbpl url"
# [09:56] * heycam unticks the box
# [09:56] <edmorley> heycam: once that patch lands (and presuming the test name remains one of a small list), the TBPL bot can star, so you can use x-headers
# [09:57] <heycam> edmorley, oh yeah
# [09:58] <glob> perhaps we need "all bugmail", "no comments", "nothing"
# [09:58] <heycam> that'd work for me
# [09:58] <@dbaron> anyway, filed https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=877083
# [09:59] <glob> dbaron, thanks
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# [10:04] <glob> edmorley, it would be possible for us to identify comments which only contain a tbpl url and add an x-header
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# [10:05] <glazou> bonjour
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# [10:06] <edmorley> glob: the number of bugs that require manual starring are very small now, and I have a WIP patch to reduce that further
# [10:06] <glob> edmorley, eeeexcellent
# [10:06] <edmorley> glob: ideally also, we'd manually enter the bug number via tbpl and it would comment for you, like it does for bugs it suggests
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# [10:06] <edmorley> just need to come up with a way to ensure spam can't slip through a more free-form form
# [10:07] <edmorley> as such, think detection of tbpl URLs may become unnecessary
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# [10:07] <glob> edmorley, roger that
# [10:07] <edmorley> :-)
# [10:08] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/574b55d3b201 - L. David Baron - Bug 864686: Make reftest harness print test URL when there is one. r=heycam
# [10:09] <@dbaron> so are there known issues with the breakpad-generated stacks on 10.6?
# [10:09] <@dbaron> because in https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=23522225&tree=Mozilla-Inbound the NS_StackWalk stack looks right and the breakpad one looks totally busted
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# [10:21] <hsivonen> hmm. bugzilla not loading for me. :-(
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# [10:21] <glob> hsivonen, looks ok to me
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# [10:22] <glob> hsivonen, what are you experiencing?
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# [10:29] <hsivonen> glob: the tab spinner spins counterclockwise forever
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# [10:32] <hsivonen> last identified hop in traceroute is v-1027.core1.scl3.mozilla.net (63.245.214.73)
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# [10:33] <hsivonen> glob: Chrome spins at "establishing secure connection" for a while and gives up
# [10:33] <glob> hsivonen, not sure. you should try asking in #it, however bugzilla isn't down currently
# [10:33] <hsivonen> Firefox keeps spinning
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# [10:34] * glob is seeing about 30 requests per second hitting it
# [10:34] <hsivonen> works from another ISP
# [10:35] <hsivonen> I wonder if the TLS handshake on Mozilla's load balancer has changed back to the state that one of my routers doesn't like
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# [10:39] <hsivonen> wrong guess this time
# [10:39] <hsivonen> sigh
# [10:40] <hsivonen> anyway, it's the load balancer's TLS handshake again
# [10:40] <hsivonen> aaargh
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# [10:43] <Ms2ger> "[It] has had significant recent improvements recently"
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# [10:45] <edmorley> Ms2ger: it's ok, you'll get the hang of English eventually... ;-)
# [10:46] <@dbaron> the 10.7 test machines seem to be in a bad mood
# [10:46] <Ms2ger> I'm not sure I will :)
# [10:46] <Ms2ger> edmorley, does that actually sound sensible to you? :)
# [10:47] <@dbaron> Ms2ger, yes
# [10:47] <Ms2ger> Fascinating
# [10:47] <edmorley> Ms2ger: other than the double "recent", yes
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# [10:47] <Ms2ger> Well, it was the double "recent" I was looking at
# [10:47] <@dbaron> oh
# [10:47] <@dbaron> that's indeed silly, but I didn't notice
# [10:48] <@dbaron> I thought it was the "has had"
# [10:48] <Ms2ger> Okay, faith restored :)
# [10:48] <Ms2ger> No, "has had" seems fine
# [10:48] <Ms2ger> Or at least similar to what you'd say in Dutch
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# [10:49] <edmorley> Ms2ger: your English is really good fwiw (in case it wasn't obvious I was winding you up above :-))
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# [10:50] <Ms2ger> edmorley, you haven't heard me speak it :)
# [10:50] <edmorley> Ms2ger: well you'll just have to come to an event and introduce yourself to me, man of mystery :-)
# [10:50] <Ms2ger> edmorley, mmm... Summit? :)
# [10:51] <Gijs> Ms2ger: I have yet to meet a native English speaker with better Dutch skills than our English skills, so you'll be alright I suspect. ;)
# [10:51] <edmorley> Ms2ger: not sure which destinations ataff are being sent to yet, but possibly :-)
# [10:51] <@khuey|tw> why would native english speakers learn dutch? :-P
# [10:51] <glazou> Gijs: you know Steven Pemberton ?
# [10:51] <Ms2ger> Gijs, have you ever met one that could pronounce your name? :)
# [10:52] <smontagu> challenge accepted
# [10:52] <hsivonen> hmm. it's not the TLS handshake. and not my router
# [10:52] <edmorley> Ms2ger: ever met anyone who could pronounce yours? :-)
# [10:52] <glazou> Stevn Pemberton is an englishman living in A'dam and he speaks a perfect Dutch
# [10:52] <Gijs> glazou: ah, point. Haven't met him in a long time, but I did do so once.
# [10:52] <Gijs> well, I wouldn't say perfect, but it's true that it's very good. ;)
# [10:52] <Ms2ger> edmorley, not as far as I can remember
# [10:52] <glazou> eheh
# [10:53] <Gijs> Ms2ger: yes, people from Scotland.
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# [10:53] <Gijs> ('loch')
# [10:53] <smontagu> never mind Gijs, I would bet that over 90% of english speakers can't pronounce annevk's name
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# [10:53] <annevk> heh
# [10:53] <Ms2ger> What parts are hard about that?
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# [10:55] <Gijs> smontagu: I mean, the first time, not pronouncing it like the English "Anne", but I think all the sounds in the name are OK for English speakers, right? :)
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# [10:56] <smontagu> Gijs: yeah, I meant get it right cold
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# [10:56] <glazou> well, when you think english can pronounce "live" in two different ways, that's not surprising :-)
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# [10:56] <Gijs> And "bow" and "row" and ... yeah.
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# [10:56] <glazou> these are two different spellings
# [10:57] <Gijs> glazou: both words can be pronounced in two ways.
# [10:57] <glazou> but "live" is only 1 spelling, two pronounciations
# [10:57] <glazou> oh
# [10:57] <glazou> did not know that
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# [10:58] <smontagu> is there no word with more than two pronounciations?
# [10:58] <Gijs> In particular, the sentence "I had a row on the Thames" can mean two different things (you rowed a boat or you had an argument) depending on how you pronounce the "row" bit.
# [10:58] <smontagu> s/word/homograph/
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# [11:00] <glandium> and words like "dead" are pronounced completely differently in australia
# [11:00] <glob|away> glandium, not so sure about that :)
# [11:00] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/82024a9a3dfd - Jon Coppeard - Bug 876639 - Address unsafe references from JS_ParseJSON() - Fix shell r=terrence
# [11:00] <Gijs> Maybe the world should switch back to French as a language of international dialogue... ;)
# [11:00] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/7acdb79e4d71 - Jon Coppeard - Bug 876639 - Address unsafe references from JS_ParseJSON() - Fix browser r=smaug
# [11:00] <glandium> Gijs: french from where?
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# [11:01] <Gijs> I'm going to go with France, but I see your point.
# [11:01] <Gijs> Although I personally like the Belgian and Swiss inventions.
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# [11:01] <Gijs> quatre-vingt-onze never made sense to me.
# [11:02] <Ms2ger> Prefer nonante, then?
# [11:02] <Gijs> Ms2ger: it's certainly more logical, I would say...
# [11:02] <Ms2ger> (My French is so good that people reply in Dutch if I ask them anything in French)
# [11:03] <till> So, in Front of my house, a guy with a handgun tries to get shot by the police.
# [11:03] <till> Right now
# [11:03] <till> This is not ideal
# [11:03] <Ms2ger> Throw bricks at him
# [11:03] <till> I'm not sure that'd help
# [11:03] <glazou> Gijs: I remind you there are 60 seconds in a minute, 60 minutes in an hour, 24 hours in a day and you complaint we say 90 as 4*20+11 ?-) AFAIK, Gaelic does a similar thing
# [11:03] <Ms2ger> It would if you hit him well enough :)
# [11:03] <glob|away> smontagu, "sin" is a triple heteronym
# [11:03] <till> well, maybe
# [11:04] <till> but then, maybe all those machine guns would be pointed at me
# [11:04] <Ms2ger> glob|away, how do you pronounce that if not as "sin"?
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# [11:04] <Gijs> till: where are you that the police carry machine guns?
# [11:04] <glazou> till: nice neighbourhood for coding :-)
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# [11:05] <glob|away> Ms2ger, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heteronym_%28linguistics%29 /ˈsɪn/ /ˈsaɪn/ /ˈsiːn/
# [11:05] <till> Gijs: well, that's obviously some special forces team or something
# [11:05] <till> Gijs: normally, German police certainly don't carry machine guns ...
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# [11:05] <Ms2ger> That's the French
# [11:05] <till> glazou: yeah, not ideal at all ...
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# [11:06] <smontagu> glob|away: I don't think Sumerian gods of the moon count :-P
# [11:06] <glob|away> lol
# [11:06] <@khuey|tw> Gijs: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6w56VjjMV_4 ?
# [11:06] <till> ok, looks like he's walking off to somewhere else, now
# [11:06] <glazou> I think I prefer "does"
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# [11:07] <glandium> is there a conspiracy from sheriffs against me? everytime i want to push something to inbound, it's closed
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# [11:07] <edmorley> glayup, exactly what it is :-)
# [11:07] <Ms2ger> Glayup, eh
# [11:07] <edmorley> glandium: yup, exactly what it is :-)
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# [11:07] <edmorley> tab fail
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# [11:08] <smontagu> glazou: yeah, does is a good one
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# [11:09] <glandium> khuey|tw: note that's not police (and that they can't actually fire those, they don't have ammo)
# [11:09] <@khuey|tw> glandium: if they don't have any ammo what's the point?
# [11:10] <till> and now we've got choppers, too
# [11:10] <glandium> khuey|tw: for people to feel secure, i guess
# [11:10] <glandium> because you know, we're under constant pressure from terrorists
# [11:10] <glandium> (that's why they are patroling)
# [11:10] <@khuey|tw> glandium: I see
# [11:11] <Ms2ger> And to scare the guys who sell little eiffel towers on the street?
# [11:11] <Gijs> NeilAway: fwiw, I would think it... prudent... for SeaMonkey to invest in getting the browser debugger working with it. :)
# [11:11] <glandium> (that was kind of sarcastic)
# [11:11] <Gijs> (inasmuch as it doesn't already - I don't know either way)
# [11:11] <glandium> khuey|tw: one of a patrol of three was stabbed recently, btw
# [11:12] <till> that should be it: heard about half a dozen gun shots just now
# [11:12] <till> fuck
# [11:13] <glandium> till: when did you move to the US?
# [11:13] <@khuey|tw> lol
# [11:13] <Ms2ger> Bah
# [11:13] <Ms2ger> glandium beat me to that joke :(
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# [11:15] <Archaeopteryx> till: go go go. sell you story to Bild
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# [11:17] <till> Archaeopteryx: obviously, they're already here.
# [11:18] <Archaeopteryx> parasites
# [11:18] <till> yep
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# [11:18] <till> so that wasn't a nice experience
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# [11:23] <Gijs> Did we recently land hidpi images for the reload/stop/go buttons on m-c or something? :)
# [11:23] * Gijs is seeing interesting brokenness.
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# [11:24] <glazou> till: where are you based?
# [11:24] <till> glazou: believe it or not, in Hamburg
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# [11:28] <till> Ms2ger: trust me, this isn't representative at all
# [11:28] <Ms2ger> Oh really?!
# [11:28] <till> really!
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# [11:31] <till> Just heard that nobody died. The guy has been shot and is in the hospital, now.
# [11:31] <glandium> till: that was fast
# [11:32] <till> indeed!
# [11:32] <Ms2ger> So are you saying you live in the red light district?
# [11:32] <till> glandium: they had a helicopter around already
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# [11:32] <till> Ms2ger: I'm at my girlfriend's, who does, in fact, live a block from the Reeperbahn, yes.
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# [11:33] <till> Ms2ger: but that usually just means that lots of drunks pass through the street and there's an annoying amount of tourists around.
# [11:34] <Ms2ger> I see
# [11:34] <@dbaron> till, we had a CSS WG meeting at Adobe's office, which is near there, right next to the Fischmarkt
# [11:34] <glazou> right
# [11:34] <till> dbaron: ah, right. Nice office, too.
# [11:34] <glazou> my hotel was 10 meters away from Reeperbahn station
# [11:35] <@khuey|tw> till: Hamburg Pennsylvania?
# [11:35] <till> khuey|tw: heh
# [11:36] * till wonders if they have a "Reeperbahn" in Hamburg, Pennsylvania
# [11:36] <till> glazou: that is interesting. Were you able to get any sleep at all?
# [11:37] <glazou> till: until I asked for a room on the backyard, no
# [11:38] <till> glazou: that's what I would've assumed. It is _noisy_ there!
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# [11:39] <glazou> till: hotel lafayette on holstenstrasse ?
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# [11:39] <till> glazou: ah
# [11:39] <till> glazou: I forgot that there's a second entrance to that station
# [11:40] <till> glazou: thought you were in the middle of the Reeperbahn, itself.
# [11:40] <glazou> adobe people had their hotel one street behind ; on my away there, soooo many women were talking to me in the street :-)
# [11:40] <glazou> s/away/way
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# [11:43] <till> glazou: yeah, that's how it is
# [11:44] <till> glazou: once you get used to it and learn that it is in their and your best interest not to even acknowledge them, it's ok
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# [12:03] <nthomas> edmorley: have you seen any issues in the last 30 mins ?
# [12:04] <edmorley> nthomas: I've not really been looking, and hard to tell the older jobs apart from the newer on TBPL
# [12:04] <edmorley> https://secure.pub.build.mozilla.org/buildapi/recent seems less broken than before
# [12:04] <nthomas> might still be getting some disconnects
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# [12:05] <edmorley> I was taking the opportunity to get on with some TBPL patches :-)
# [12:05] <edmorley> pending hearing anything back in the blocker bug
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# [12:54] <hsivonen> I called my ISP about TLS to bugzilla.mozilla.org stalling from their network but not with the same client equipment when connecting via another ISP
# [12:55] <vlad> avih: can you share your conemu config somewhere?
# [12:55] <vlad> avih: and info on how to get colors etc. up
# [12:55] <hsivonen> unsurprisingly, 1st level of responders had no clue, neither second, nor third
# [12:55] <hsivonen> I hope that someone with clue gets my case.
# [12:56] <avih> vlad: i can, though it's not fully optimal. iirc there's some issue with colors under some usage (IIRC some usage when using a pipe to process some commands)
# [12:57] <@khuey|tw> hsivonen: how many levels did it take to get to someone who knows what TLS is?
# [12:57] <avih> vlad: also, got a final vsync patch rebased and now doing a full build and then i'll push it. thx again for the review :)
# [12:58] <Ms2ger> Clearly you should say "shibboleet"
# [12:58] <hsivonen> khuey|tw: I think the second level didn't. and I wasn't allowed to talk with the 3rd level myself
# [12:58] <hsivonen> Ms2ger: I tried to be very convincing about having done my homework
# [12:59] <hsivonen> Ms2ger: eliminated routers, tried two ISPs, tried two TLS implementations, tried non-TLS port on same host
# [12:59] <hsivonen> Ms2ger: so at least they didn't treat me as a clueless person but seemed to take me seriously
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# [13:06] <ttaubert> you can just compile it. nobody says you're using a self-built version.
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# [13:09] <Gijs> avih: OOI, I'm seeing issues with ConEmu no longer doing scrolling if at any point I open VI in it. You wouldn't have a clue, offhand, why that is?
# [13:09] <nthomas> edmorley: could you kick the tires a bit ? I think we're pretty close to ok again
# [13:09] <avih> Gijs: i wouldn't indeed...
# [13:09] <nthomas> except for the whole b2g is busted thing
# [13:09] <edmorley> sure; just pushing a backout anyway so will hoepfully show us if everything's sorted :-)
# [13:10] <avih> Gijs: tried stable? latest?
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# [13:11] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/94e4cfd71460 - Ed Morley - Backed out changeset 7acdb79e4d71 (bug 876639)
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# [13:11] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/036890bc3788 - Ed Morley - Backed out changeset 82024a9a3dfd (bug 876639) for B2G compilation failures on a CLOSED TREE
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# [13:11] <Gijs> avih: I'm using latest from last month, so I guess I can either upgrade or downgrade and see if that buys me anything...
# [13:11] <avih> Gijs: that would be what i'd do..
# [13:12] * NeilAway wonders whether he missed the announcement of Ms2ger's home country
# [13:12] <avih> the guy is frantically updating it :)
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# [13:13] <Gijs> avih: yeah. Also, seems someone filed a bug for this: http://code.google.com/p/conemu-maximus5/issues/detail?id=1002&q=scroll&sort=-id&colspec=ID%20Type%20Status%20Modified%20Reporter%20Summary
# [13:13] <Ms2ger> NeilAway, that's never been much of a secret
# [13:13] <Gijs> and at least at the time, stable was not affected
# [13:13] * Gijs wonders if that stable is still what's advertised as stable
# [13:14] <glazou> Ms2ger: that's almost the only thing that is not secret...
# [13:15] <Ms2ger> Right
# [13:15] <avih> Gijs: well, i've also experienced one crash bug in unstable, which he fixed the next day, so he's quite responsive. IIRC I haven't had issues with stable builds, though admittedly I use unstable most of the time. I think the next stable release is soon.
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# [13:16] <Gijs> Hmm.
# [13:17] <Gijs> I mean, I've just set my hg editor thing to gvim instead, and that works nicely, so I guess by now I can live with it... :)
# [13:18] <avih> Gijs: btw, the only way i managed to get colors in hg diff (and qdiff) is by changing defaults at .hgrc, like this: diff = -U 8 -p --color=yes. However, this unfortunately also applies when outputting using a pipe. do you know if I can make it behave differently when piped (i.e. not use colors there)?
# [13:19] <nthomas> 'color=' in [extensions] doesn't work ?
# [13:19] <@roc> Ms2ger's abstraction is getting rather leaky these days
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# [13:19] <avih> nthomas: not entirely. i also tried several modes (win32, ansi, auto), none was fully working
# [13:19] <NeilAway> Ms2ger: sure, but I only found out today
# [13:20] * Ms2ger rains on roc
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# [13:20] <@roc> you shouldn't have gone to [REDACTED] and been seen by [REDACTED]
# [13:20] <avih> nthomas: apparently [q]diff didn't recognize the color support somehow, so i forced it, with the unfortunate pipe side effect
# [13:21] <Gijs> avih: is your hg (mozillabuild) version recent?
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# [13:21] <avih> Gijs: yeah, 2-3 weeks i think? though I haven't touched the color support since I updated mozilla-build, so it might work now
# [13:21] <nthomas> edmorley: I need to bail out to sleep, but Toronto will be here soon. good luck
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# [13:22] <edmorley> nthomas|away: ok, thank you :-)
# [13:22] <Gijs> avih: interesting thing is, if I use your syntax for a one-off diff I don't see any colors
# [13:22] <Ms2ger> roc, that latter [REDACTED] should have been quite a bit longer :)
# [13:22] * Gijs wonders if you *also* need the color extension
# [13:23] <Gijs> Looks like it.
# [13:23] <avih> Gijs: i have [extensions] color= and [color] mode = auto
# [13:23] <Gijs> avih: have you tried replacing --color=yes with --color=auto ?
# [13:23] <avih> Gijs: and sec, let me check how i configured conemu
# [13:23] <avih> Gijs: gonna try now
# [13:24] <Gijs> that wfm on OS X, at least.
# [13:24] <avih> Gijs: isn't color=auto the default?
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# [13:24] <Gijs> I dunno, this is the first time I'm looking at it! :)
# [13:24] <glandium> avih: it is, [extensions] color= should be enough
# [13:24] <avih> Gijs: w00t! color=auto works: shows color in console, and strips colors on pipe! :D
# [13:25] <jcranmer|away> I would say no one knows where I am, but that's only because I'm in the middle of travelling
# [13:25] <avih> Gijs: (for the diff alias)
# [13:25] <Gijs> avih: glad that sorted it. :)
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# [13:26] <Ms2ger> I would assume somewhere between IL and... PA?
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# [13:27] <jcranmer|away> Ms2ger: nope
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# [13:27] <jcranmer|away> actually, I did mention it in #maildev yesterday, I suppose
# [13:29] <darktrojan> you're away!
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# [13:30] <jcranmer> now I'm not
# [13:31] <avih> glandium: when i comment out the color= extension, hg qser still shows colors. only when I set mode=off under [color], it removes colors, does that make sense?
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# [13:32] <darktrojan> foiled.
# [13:32] <glandium> avih: oh wait, mozillabuild?
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# [13:33] <avih> glandium: mozillabuild with ConEmu for windows (like Console2, but better)
# [13:33] <glandium> avih: i remember someone (ted?) mentioning he enabled some extensions by default in mozillabuild's mercurial, and color might be one of them
# [13:33] <avih> glandium: so i guess bash recognizes it can use colors, and thus everything uses colors by default?
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# [13:34] <avih> (this wasn't the case with the previous mozillabuild, but apparently it is now)
# [13:34] <glandium> avih: yeah, this would be a recent change
# [13:34] <avih> cool.
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# [13:34] <avih> less lines in hgrc :)
# [13:35] <glandium> you can probably find the default hgrc somewhere in the mozillabuild directoy
# [13:35] <glandium> +r
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# [13:35] <avih> so i don't even need to explicitly enable [extensions] color= in .hgrc, and colors still work
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# [13:39] <RealRaven> does anybody know how I could use skin definitions in chrome.manifest to support legacy style sheets?
# [13:40] <RealRaven> I used to use different xul files (via chrome aliasing) but I would like to add style sheets into the same xul instead
# [13:40] <RealRaven> e.g.
# [13:40] <RealRaven> <?xml-stylesheet href = "chrome://smartTemplate4/skin/default/style.css" type = "text/css" title = "SmartTemplateSettings" ?>
# [13:40] <RealRaven> <?xml-stylesheet href = "chrome://smartTemplate4/skin/legacy/legacy.css" type = "text/css" title = "LegacySettings" ?>
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# [13:41] <RealRaven> my manifest file:
# [13:41] <RealRaven> skin smarttemplate4 classic/1.0 skin/
# [13:41] <RealRaven> skin smarttemplate4 default/1.0 skin/default/
# [13:41] <RealRaven> skin smarttemplate4 default/1.0 skin/legacy/ appversion<4 application={3550f703-e582-4d05-9a08-453d09bdfdc6}
# [13:41] <RealRaven> I can "see" the style sheet in DOMi in Thunderbird 3, but none of the rules seem to be parsed
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# [13:41] <avih> vlad: apparently, with the latest mozillaBuild, colors just work out of the box for me, without any modifications to .hgrc, or even enabling [extensions] color= . could you please verify?
# [13:42] <RealRaven> the goal is to remove legacy rules such as -moz-linear-gradient into separate css files for easier validation
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# [13:42] <RealRaven> can somebody help or suggest something please?
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# [13:43] <avih> vlad: (and no issue with using a pipe either, which was caused by an alias i set to diff and qdiff to force color output, but isn't needed with latest mozillabuild and latest conemu)
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# [13:44] <glandium> bz: didn't you change something about URI_SAFE_FOR_UNTRUSTED_CONTENT recently?
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# [13:45] <@roc> mmm, kats is on fire
# [13:46] <glandium> roc: ?
# [13:46] <glazou> what's the best way to debug a xulrunner-based app's command handler ? Hard to enable venkman at that time...
# [13:46] <@roc> in a good way
# [13:46] <avih> roc: reminder https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=854746#c2 :) and need to think of OMTC as well...
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# [13:46] <RealRaven> here is a pastebin: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/2457780
# [13:47] <@roc> avih: ah
# [13:47] <glandium> glazou: dump()?
# [13:47] <@roc> avih: you never sent me a needinfo, so you don't exist :-)
# [13:47] <@roc> but I can do this now
# [13:47] <glazou> glandium: sigh
# [13:47] <avih> roc: a reminder was an option ;)
# [13:47] <glandium> glazou: you can try -jsconsole but it might be too late
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# [13:49] <avih> roc: generally, the point is how do we effectively measure performance stuff which iterates rendering. my approach is rAF with intervals which will effectively trigger refreshes ASAP. but there are GC/CC concerns, and possibly OMTC too.
# [13:49] <RealRaven> any xul specialists here?
# [13:49] <RealRaven> :)
# [13:49] <vlad> avih: do you have an XP box?
# [13:49] <avih> vlad: no
# [13:49] <avih> vlad: i was asked to ping you too on this ^
# [13:50] <@roc> you can usually find an XP box at your local landfill
# [13:50] <avih> i could setup a VM, if that's useful. what do we need an XP box for?
# [13:50] <@roc> avih: you know that setTimeout is throttled to minimum of 4ms, right?
# [13:50] <glazou> RealRaven: your usage of the title attribute in xml-stylesheet PIs is in purpose ? you know it's for alternate styles, right ?
# [13:50] <hsivonen> hooray. TLS handshakes on my connection no longer stalled.
# [13:51] <hsivonen> no word from my ISP yet what happened
# [13:51] <avih> roc: i do, yes. but rAF isn't
# [13:51] <@roc> so 1000Hz rAF is actually a lot faster than a setTimeout loop would iterate
# [13:51] <avih> roc: when i set layout.frame_rate to 10000 and monitor the delays which the refresh driver uses, they're 0.
# [13:51] <RealRaven> glazou: are you sure? I thought this was just so I can enumerate them easier from code and they are all loaded at the same time?
# [13:52] <vlad> avih: not sure I understand
# [13:52] <RealRaven> I will try and leave it out to see if that makes a difference
# [13:52] <avih> vlad: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=854746#c2 we have talos issues with testing iterative rendering for performance.
# [13:52] <vlad> avih: are you trying to measure how long painting takes, or something else?
# [13:53] <avih> vlad: i believe that's what tsvg should measure, yes. at least that's what I think it does
# [13:53] <@roc> avih: this sounds great. I just have one concern, which is that with OMTC, we might need special-case code to drive the compositor at the requested rate.
# [13:53] <avih> roc: exactly my point.
# [13:53] <vlad> the best thing I would say is that we should measure the number of frames rendered during a certain time period
# [13:53] <vlad> using a 1000Hz rAF
# [13:53] <@roc> avih: so what do you need from me exactly?
# [13:53] <avih> roc: just review the approach
# [13:53] <vlad> because Ithink rAF will guarantee that we do actually draw
# [13:53] <avih> indeed.
# [13:53] <vlad> using, say, postMessage forever doesn't guarantee drawing
# [13:53] <avih> yes
# [13:54] <@roc> avih: are you looking for comments other than "this sounds great"?
# [13:54] <glazou> RealRaven: http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/present/styles.html#h-14.3.2
# [13:54] <avih> roc: i don't need even that. just to hear that i'm not missing out something major here
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# [13:54] <@roc> ok, I have nothing else to say
# [13:54] <avih> k. thanks :)
# [13:54] <RealRaven> glazou: you were right, if I am using the same title all rules are seen. The other question is, will they be hidden from Tb22?
# [13:54] <RealRaven> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/2457811
# [13:55] <glazou> RealRaven: why would they ?
# [13:56] <RealRaven> I want to hide them via a chrome.manifest rule, which is the hwole point of the exercise; can I use a skin "alias" in the xul?
# [13:56] <RealRaven> skin smarttemplate4 default/1.0 skin/legacy/ appversion<4 application={3550f703-e582-4d05-9a08-453d09bdfdc6}
# [13:56] <avih> vlad: what would be counting frames in a timespan be better than iterate NN frames as fast as possible? one thing i could think of is lower resolution results of your approach (which I did consider as well). for instance, one of the svg tests iterate world map zoom levels. each iteration is about 100ms on a very fast system. on android, it would be hard to notice a regression if we count frames in, say, 1s, but easier if we count duration
# [13:56] <avih> for 6 frames.
# [13:57] <RealRaven> in that rule I want to design a specific "skin" for just THunderbird 3.*; but I want it to also load the "Normal" style sheet
# [13:57] <avih> why*
# [13:57] <glazou> RealRaven: I never used the appversion<n trigger but if that's documented in MDN, it should work in all xulrunner-based apps
# [13:57] <RealRaven> skin smarttemplate4 default/1.0 skin/default/
# [13:57] <RealRaven> skin smarttemplate4 default/1.0 skin/legacy/ appversion<4 application={3550f703-e582-4d05-9a08-453d09bdfdc6}
# [13:57] <RealRaven> glazou: it is not the appversion trigger I am worried about, that works and I use it a lot. the problem is the chrome (skin) aliasing in the xul file:
# [13:57] <vlad> avih: hm, aren't those actually the same, given a long enough duration?
# [13:58] <RealRaven> <?xml-stylesheet href = "chrome://smartTemplate4/skin/legacy/legacy.css" type = "text/css" title = "SmartTemplateSettings" ?>
# [13:58] <RealRaven> I want Tb >= 4.0 to ignore that line
# [13:58] <RealRaven> (or fail it, if you like)
# [13:58] <vlad> but you're right, iterating N frames makes it easier to auto-adjust the duration, which is more imporant for tests
# [13:58] <RealRaven> so I need to define the path relative to the (appsepcific) skin alias folder
# [13:58] <avih> vlad: given long enough duration, the asymptotic accuracy of fixed-interval frames-counting is indeed the same as duration counting. but what's log enough?
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# [14:04] <@roc> man, add just one tiny non-standard API without fanfare and Web developers all over the place start using it
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# [14:04] <vlad> which one?
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# [14:05] <Ms2ger> Welcome to the web
# [14:05] <Ms2ger> That's why we don't ship non-standard stuff
# [14:05] <Ms2ger> Unless it's for b2g, then we don't care
# [14:05] <@roc> mozLoadFrom
# [14:05] <ted> avih: it's Mercurial.ini, FYI
# [14:05] <ted> and yeah, i enabled color+pager
# [14:06] <@roc> Ms2ger: we still care even in b2g. We just have too many things to care about at once.
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# [14:06] <avih> ted: what is Mercurial.ini? changes I make to .hgrc seem effective..
# [14:07] <ted> oh, rather, Mercurial.rc
# [14:07] <Ms2ger> If you say so
# [14:07] <ted> avih: it's just like the system hgrc
# [14:07] <@roc> who are these freaks who have done some kind of C# binding for Gecko XPCOM interfaces?
# [14:07] <ted> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-build/file/tip/Mercurial.rc.patch
# [14:07] <glandium> roc: doesn't a blog post syndicated on planet.m.o count as fanfare?
# [14:07] <@roc> http://code.google.com/p/geckofx/
# [14:07] <avih> ted: so hg looks for both? i've been using .hgrc thus far.. should i move to the ini file?
# [14:08] <ted> avih: doesn't matter, i think ~/.hgrc will override global settings
# [14:08] <ted> i just try to ship useful defaults in mozillabuild's hg
# [14:08] <avih> ted: i see.
# [14:08] <@roc> glandium: I don't think my blog qualifies, no
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# [14:13] <ted> i think you underestimate the weight people put on your blog posts
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# [14:14] <@roc> maybe I should try selling ads on them again
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# [14:15] <ted> you probably have enough traffic
# [14:16] <@roc> I tried, but couldn't get adsense to work properly
# [14:16] <@roc> I'm just not cut out to be a media star
# [14:16] <ted> hah
# [14:17] <ted> you should try one of the smaller ad networks, i bet they'd take you
# [14:19] <vlad> roc: have you thought about renaming your blog from "Well, I'm Back"?
# [14:19] <ted> roc: do you think we're ever going to implement Canvas2dContext.backingStorePixelRatio?
# [14:19] <@roc> now that I've been back 8 years?
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# [14:19] <vlad> Yeah :)
# [14:19] <ted> that html5rocks article uses mozBackingStorePixelRatio even though it doesn't currently exist
# [14:20] <edmorley> I guess it's topical again for the latest post
# [14:20] <@roc> vlad: maybe, if I can come up with a killer title
# [14:20] <Ms2ger> Well, I'm still here
# [14:20] <vlad> "I've Been Back"
# [14:20] <@roc> ted: I don't know
# [14:20] <ted> "There and Back Again"
# [14:20] <@roc> I was wondering if people were getting the LOTR reference
# [14:21] <@roc> ted: I don't know what other people (e.g. vlad) think, but I'm tending against implementing backingStorePixelRatio
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# [14:30] <ted> everything looks pretty
# [14:30] <ted> the world is right
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# [14:41] <Gijs> In Makefile.in, does one need to explicitly add head.js to MOCHITEST_BROWSER_FILES for it to be included?
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# [14:43] <markh> sounds likely...
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# [14:46] <Ms2ger> Gijs, head.js in mochitests? That's really only used for xpcshell...
# [14:47] <jwalden> and it was head_*.js, too
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# [14:47] <Gijs> Ms2ger: our tree says that is not true. :s
# [14:47] <Gijs> eg. http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/browser/base/content/test/head.js
# [14:47] <avih> how should i handle a push to inbound, while the patch fails to apply to m-c?
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# [14:48] <avih> (or a patch for m-c which fails to apply to inbound)
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# [14:49] <markh> head.js is mochi too - certainly "browser" - can't recall what others :)
# [14:49] <avih> Ms2ger: ^?
# [14:50] <avih> there's just enough difference between latest m-c and latest inbound that i can't have one patch which applies cleanly to both
# [14:51] <markh> avih: if it's not urgent, I'd just wait for the next merge...
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# [14:52] <avih> markh: yeah, i'll do that. thanks.
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# [14:53] <markh> otoh though, applying it to inbound seems OK - if a patch earlier than yours causes a conflict it shouldn't matter - yours still still end up merged in ok
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# [14:59] <Gijs> markh: so if I have a Cu.import in a browser mochitest's head.js that I want to use in all my tests, how do I avoid it generating a "leak" ?
# [14:59] <Gijs> (is that even possible or do I need to import it everywhere?)
# [14:59] <markh> Gijs: it's dumb - import it into a namespace :) lemme find one...
# [15:00] <Gijs> and by leak I mean that right now I'm seeing test failures along the lines of: "chrome://mochitests/content/browser/browser/components/customizableui/test/browser_873501_handle_specials.js | leaked window property: Promise"
# [15:00] <jwalden> Gijs: Cu.import(path, objectToImportInto), iirc
# [15:00] <markh> yeah
# [15:00] <jwalden> or something along those lines
# [15:00] <markh> eg, http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/toolkit/components/thumbnails/test/head.js
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# [15:01] <Gijs> ... wow.
# [15:01] <Gijs> OK.
# [15:01] <markh> yeah :(
# [15:01] <Gijs> markh: but then those will be available to the individual tests, too?
# [15:01] <markh> yep
# [15:01] <Gijs> OK, cool, thanks! :)
# [15:01] <markh> np
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# [15:08] <Gijs> Have we got shared helpers for things like comparing string arrays?
# [15:09] <Gijs> is() doesn't seem to do the right thing.
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# [15:10] <Ms2ger> assert_array_equals if you'd been using testharness.js
# [15:11] <@smaug> Will FF24 be the next esr?
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# [15:11] <h4writer> smaug, I thought it would
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# [15:12] <Ms2ger> Probably
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# [15:12] <jwalden> fairly sure that's the plan
# [15:12] <Ms2ger> Which means that we're shipping B2G2 from 25?
# [15:12] <jwalden> hush, you :-P
# [15:12] <jwalden> I doubt anyone's thought that far ahead yet
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# [15:14] <Ms2ger> I'll hush... But if I get it right, you buy me a drink ;)
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# [15:17] <Gijs> Ms2ger: can I, in a browser mochitest?
# [15:17] <Gijs> mxr doesn't seem to have any examples.
# [15:17] <jwalden> Ms2ger: just say where and me and a hundred closest friends will be there ;-)
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# [15:17] <Ms2ger> Gijs, probably not
# [15:18] <Gijs> :(
# [15:18] <Ms2ger> Gijs, if the strings don't contain commas, .toString() them first?
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# [15:18] <Ms2ger> jwalden, mm, summit, Brussels?
# [15:18] <Gijs> Ms2ger: sure, but it's just hacky... :)
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# [15:18] <jwalden> Ms2ger: they sent mail yesterday talking about the where for employees, dunno where people are ending up yet
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# [15:18] * markh would *love* Brussels...
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# [15:19] <markh> Gijs: yeah, it totally sucks, and every head.js reinvents the wheel, each with it's own subtle bugs.
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# [15:19] <markh> there are so many "open tab and wait for load" event functions, many subtly different, it's not at all funny
# [15:20] <Ms2ger> jwalden, sounds like you know what to push for :)
# [15:20] <jwalden> heh :-)
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# [15:25] * glazou read "open bar and wait for load"... I probably need some rest
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# [15:25] <Gijs> markh: yeah, I fixed some a week or two ago, as they depended on the tab's favicon loading... I need to blog about that.
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# [15:26] <markh> heh - right - it was that chat with you that made me so aware of that example :)
# [15:28] <jlebar> glandium: re volatile pages + lmk: Thanks. That's what I thought. :)
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# [15:35] <Gijs> So, writing that blogpost... is there a wordpress plugin/solution that people recommend for displaying code?
# [15:35] <Gijs> Just a plain <code> block, or something else? :)
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# [15:44] <jwalden> you say that as if you think XSLT *isn't* the awesomest thing ever!
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# [15:57] <NeilAway> RealRaven https://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/Chrome_Registration - scroll down to the entry for style
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# [15:59] <ted> is someone going to fix our cache soon?
# [16:00] <ted> because every so often my windows firefox gets laggy and it's always cache-related
# [16:00] <jwalden> ted: wasn't it being rewritten to be awesome?
# [16:00] <ted> and by "laggy" i mean "unresponsive for several seconds"
# [16:00] <baku> Ms2ger, have you seen the patch for BarProp? I saw you pinging me yesterday night... was it about that patch?
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# [16:00] <ted> jwalden: that's what i keep hearing, but i don't know what the timeframe is
# [16:00] <jwalden> yeah
# [16:00] <ted> jwalden: also, are you no longer waldo?
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# [16:01] <jwalden> ted: no, just on a different laptop from normal, I'll return to Waldo when the new laptop arrives
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# [16:01] <Gijs> ted: imma let you finish, but I prefer 'ted' over 'tmielczarek', OK? :-)
# [16:01] <jwalden> ted: although, it *is* tempting to switch so that I have the same nick here and freenode :-\
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# [16:02] <jwalden> sadly the freenode Waldo is easily regular enough that I can't swipe his
# [16:02] <jwalden> dunno what their time limit is, it's not as short as ours is, but every time I look he's been active far more recently than a year, which is about the limit at which I'd feel comfortable swiping
# [16:03] <jwalden> Gijs: tmielczarek would be a luser nickname
# [16:03] <jwalden> http://rimshot.vorb.is/
# [16:03] <@khuey|tw> /kick jwalden
# [16:03] <jwalden> \o/
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# [16:05] <ted> Gijs: hah!
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# [16:05] <ted> conveniently i still remain the only ted around here
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# [16:05] <Gijs> :)
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# [16:06] <@khuey|tw> yeah we need to hire some more teds
# [16:06] <@khuey|tw> it's ridiculous that we have 3 kyles and only 1 ted
# [16:08] <ted> hah!
# [16:08] <ted> i'll just sabotage their hiring process
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# [16:08] <ted> khuey|tw: we have more benoits than teds
# [16:08] <@khuey|tw> ted: srsly
# [16:08] <glandium> there are too many mikes and chris
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# [16:08] <ted> i forget who i met in person last week that said "oh, you're *the* ted"
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# [16:08] <@khuey|tw> yeah we should fire some of them
# [16:09] <glandium> ted: "the" is easier to pronounce than mielczarek
# [16:09] <ted> haha
# [16:09] <@khuey|tw> lol
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# [16:09] <@khuey|tw> mielczarek isn't that hard to pronounce
# [16:09] <ted> mill-char-ick
# [16:09] <glandium> khuey|tw: probably not, you just have to know how it's pronounced
# [16:09] <@khuey|tw> but maybe that's because I grew up around several people with eastern european last names
# [16:09] <Gijs> I remember meeting someone in MV for my orientation who suddenly went "ooooh, you're that person" when I spelled my name (and therefore IRC nick)
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# [16:10] <@khuey|tw> glandium: now ask me to pronounce Gijs and I will have trouble
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# [16:10] <@khuey|tw> ted: the best part about the 2 benoits is that they report to the same guy
# [16:10] <@khuey|tw> in the same office
# [16:10] <@khuey|tw> etc etc
# [16:10] <markh> nsWindowWatcher does, basically, window->GetMainWidget()->IsVisible() - any clues how I would implement that in javascript given a window in chrome code?
# [16:11] <gaston> speaking of that
# [16:11] <glandium> khuey|tw: with all the fun that goes with it "benoit, can you do this? no, the other benoit"
# [16:11] <ted> khuey|tw: seriously
# [16:11] <ted> so confusing
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# [16:12] <gaston> BenWa: so lunch sometimes in the next 7 days ? can you coordinate with ehsan & bgirard too, since they seem offline ?
# [16:12] <Gijs> there are two mikes on my team. :)
# [16:12] <ted> i know them both and have worked with both and i still can't keep their names straight
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# [16:12] <@khuey|tw> ted: what do you need to keep straight? they have the same name .. :-P
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# [16:12] <gaston> ted: it's easy, one is french, the other is canadian :)
# [16:12] <ted> haha
# [16:12] <@khuey|tw> gaston++
# [16:12] <ted> "one is off-white, the other is eggshell"
# [16:13] <@khuey|tw> in fairness bjacob is really french ;-)
# [16:13] <BenWa> ted: You don't need to tell us apart. We're RAID 1
# [16:13] <@khuey|tw> ha
# [16:13] <tbsaunde> who is the second benoit? you mean bjacob has another name? ;-)
# [16:13] <jwalden> benoit jacob/girard
# [16:13] <jwalden> tbsaunde: ^
# [16:13] <BenWa> tbsaunde: exactly :)
# [16:13] <@khuey|tw> tbsaunde: BenWa is kind enough to show you how to pronounce it ;-)
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# [16:14] <jwalden> heh
# [16:14] <@bz> khuey|tw: ping
# [16:14] <@khuey|tw> bz: hi
# [16:14] <tbsaunde> jwalden: I sit next to both of them ;)
# [16:14] <jwalden> ah
# [16:14] <@bz> khuey|tw: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=861587#c54
# [16:14] <@bz> khuey|tw: r=you to remove the stray '$'?
# [16:14] <glandium> Gijs: that's cheating, one is not even a Mike
# [16:14] <@khuey|tw> bz: yeah
# [16:14] <BenWa> gaston: I'll ask them. They will be in soon
# [16:14] <@khuey|tw> bz: I had a patch to do that somewhere
# [16:15] <@khuey|tw> bz: but please, check that in ;-)
# [16:15] <@bz> khuey|tw: sounds good
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# [16:15] * @bz has other stuff to push too
# [16:15] <Gijs> glandium: who isn't?
# [16:15] <@khuey|tw> bz: I poked at the build stuff somemore
# [16:15] <@khuey|tw> bz: and then I had to stop before I was overcome with the desire to jump off of taipei 101
# [16:15] <glandium> Gijs: mdeboer
# [16:16] <@khuey|tw> bz: but making the paths absolute in the makefile doesn't seem to help so there's still something bizarre going on here
# [16:16] <@bz> khuey|tw: heh
# [16:16] <@bz> khuey|tw: well, so
# [16:16] <Ms2ger> baku, yeah, I'd suggested to sawrubh to start working on the same bug yesterday
# [16:16] <Gijs> bz: not-so-quick-question: can you take a look at bug 853415 and let me/us know who from layout/dom internals could help us get it resolved in core?
# [16:16] <@bz> khuey|tw: '/' vs '\\' ?
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# [16:16] <@bz> Gijs: looking
# [16:16] <@khuey|tw> bz: possibl
# [16:16] <@khuey|tw> y
# [16:16] <baku> Ms2ger, ah ok... I was just in a meeting, and I did that... it was easy.
# [16:16] <Ms2ger> That's why I'd suggested it :)
# [16:16] <@khuey|tw> bz: although if that were a problem I'm surprised the tree builds at all
# [16:16] <@bz> khuey|tw: mmm
# [16:16] <glandium> bz: since you're here ; didn't you change something about URI_SAFE_FOR_UNTRUSTED_CONTENT recently?
# [16:17] <Ms2ger> baku, anyway, what's done is done
# [16:17] <@khuey|tw> bz: anyways since we hacked around it I think I'm going to try to finish worker CC before spending much more time on it
# [16:17] <@bz> khuey|tw: makes sense to me
# [16:17] <@khuey|tw> cool
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# [16:17] <@bz> glandium: for about: stuff, things got changed
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# [16:18] <@bz> gijs: so comment 17 is the problem description?
# [16:19] <glandium> bz: ah, that's what i thought
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# [16:19] <@bz> gijs: or have I not gotten to it yet?
# [16:19] <glandium> bz: what changed exactly?
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# [16:20] <@bz> glandium: if you say your about: URI can be linked to from untrusted content we no longer allow it to have the system principal
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# [16:21] <Gijs> bz: so we have both "real" DOM childnodes in that toolbar with CSS/XUL reordering magic (ordinal attributes or whatever), but also :before/:after pseudo nodes.
# [16:21] <Gijs> bz: getting rid of either fixes this issue.
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# [16:21] <@bz> ah
# [16:21] <glandium> bz: mmm, so it's not possible to have it both ways anymore?
# [16:21] <@bz> I would not be surprised if the ordinal stuff does not play nice with :before/:after
# [16:21] <@bz> glandium: no, because it's sort of a security worry
# [16:22] <Gijs> bz: the quickest way to reproduce this is to get a UX build on OS X, hit cmd+t often enough to get scrolling tabs, select something in the middle, and switch to another window/app.
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# [16:22] <Gijs> bz: the tab will suddenly scroll to the right of the overflowed box.
# [16:22] <@bz> Gijs: So I'd suggest dholbert
# [16:22] <@bz> Gijs: who has been working on flexbox....
# [16:22] <@bz> Gijs: which has similar ordinal bits
# [16:22] <Gijs> OK.
# [16:23] <@bz> Gijs: but also, xul layout is all broken and we shouldn't use it, or something. ;)
# [16:23] <@bz> Gijs: Seriously, XUL is basically in maintenance mode; too much regression risk from changing anything. :(
# [16:23] <ted> move all XUL to HTML
# [16:23] <Gijs> bz: yeah, I know. We abs-pos the pseudo elements within their containers too, so it's some pretty voodoo stuff. (
# [16:23] <Gijs> * :(
# [16:23] <@bz> Gijs: mmmm
# [16:23] <Gijs> ted: if we could do that yesterday, I would have done.
# [16:24] <@bz> Gijs: start with dholbert
# [16:24] <ted> do it incrementally
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# [16:24] <Gijs> bz: cool, will do. Thanks a lot for looking.
# [16:24] <ted> mrbkap told me he was implementing web components
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# [16:24] <ted> we could probably replace XUL+XBL with HTML+components
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# [16:24] <Gijs> *taken up
# [16:24] <Ms2ger> Int -> string
# [16:25] <Ms2ger> Anyone?
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# [16:27] <tbsaunde> Ms2ger: fn x:int => "" ?
# [16:27] <@bz> Ms2ger: what sort of int to what sort of string?
# [16:27] <ted> markh: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/dom/tests/mochitest/gamepad/test_gamepad_frame_state_sync.html?force=1#20
# [16:27] <ted> something like that
# [16:28] <Ms2ger> I dunno, it's someone in #introduction
# [16:28] <Ms2ger> Sort of string is char*, actually
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# [16:38] <jcranmer|away> I'm referring to the S build
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# [17:24] <avih> in bash, is there some global config to indicate that commands should use color if possible? i know i can alias ls etc, but i'm asking about a global config
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# [17:26] <edmorley> jcranmer|away: it's gotten as far as toolkit/library libs so far
# [17:27] <gaston> avih: nope
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# [17:28] <avih> gaston: thanks. so the "solution" is that either a command detects of is configured to use color (e.g. hg) or should be aliased (e.g. ls)?
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# [17:28] <avih> or is*
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# [17:28] <gaston> more or less yes
# [17:28] <gaston> it's a command by command thing
# [17:28] <avih> i see. thanks.
# [17:28] <avih> right.
# [17:28] <gaston> gnu grep has an option, etc
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# [17:29] <glandium> avih: it's per program
# [17:29] <glandium> mmmm i lag
# [17:29] <avih> glandium: thanks.
# [17:29] <gaston> glandium: you cant lag more than me on the megabus.ca wifi :)
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# [17:30] <glandium> avih: note you don't need to alias ls, you can use the LS_COLORS env variable
# [17:30] <avih> glandium: indeed, but it still falls into the "per command" category
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# [17:30] <avih> does mach support such color command?
# [17:31] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/cb7cca16bad0 - Benjamin Peterson - Bug 877058 - Remove compiler member of baseline's FrameInfo. r=jandem
# [17:31] <glandium> avih: that said, GNU ls's default is to display colors
# [17:31] <avih> glandium: not on windows, apparently
# [17:31] <gaston> mach does color by default on unix iirc
# [17:32] <avih> so how do i ask it to use colors explicitly?
# [17:32] <avih> --color=yes?
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# [17:32] <glandium> avih: that's maybe a mingw thing. i'm pretty sure cygwin does colors by default
# [17:32] <glandium> avih: --color=always or --color=auto
# [17:32] <avih> glandium: you mean mingw's ls?
# [17:33] <glandium> avih: yeah
# [17:33] <avih> ok. well, that's what mozilla-build ships with :)
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# [17:33] <glandium> it could also be a mozillabuild thing
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# [17:33] <glandium> you could try the mingw that comes with git
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# [17:35] <avih> glandium: i don't mind aliasing ls or setting an env var. was just wondering if there's something global to affect all commands, for which i was already got an answer: no
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# [17:36] <avih> and mach doesn't support --color=[auto|yes|always|tty], and neither does it show anything color related in ./mach help
# [17:36] <avih> (and doesn't display colors either when i run it on windows)
# [17:36] <glandium> avih: mach essentially has a hardcoded --color=auto, and you can't change it
# [17:37] <avih> glandium: so what should interpret "auto"?
# [17:37] <glandium> and, if you don't get colors, that means its autodetection is broken on windows
# [17:37] <GPHemsley> jcranmer|away: BTW, my script also does logging so we can keep track of what we test. (JSON file at .json)
# [17:37] <avih> my terminal supports colors, hg supports colors, and mach doesn't
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# [17:39] <glandium> avih: mach uses blessings, so there must be something wrong with blessings
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# [17:41] <avih> glandium: "Blessings does not provide... Native color support on the Windows command prompt. However, it should work when used in concert with colorama."
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# [17:45] <glandium> avih: what does "$objdir/_virtualenv/Scripts/python -c 'from blessings import Terminal ; term = Terminal() ; print term.is_a_tty'" say?
# [17:45] <glandium> and same with term.number_of_colors instead of term.is_a_tty
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# [17:48] <avih> glandium: |ImportError: No module named _curses|
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# [17:50] <avih> glandium: command and full output: http://www.pastebin.mozilla.org/2458453
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# [17:50] <glandium> avih: that would certainly explain why mach doesn't output colors
# [17:51] <mikeratcliffe> I have a bug to add a disable JS option to our devtools. To do this per tab I am setting docShell.allowJavascript = false. This works for DOM0 eventlisteners but not for anything added using addEventListener() ... is this by design or is it an error?
# [17:51] <mounir> glob: ping
# [17:51] <glob> mounir, pong
# [17:51] <glandium> avih: (because mach does import blessings in a try/except)
# [17:51] <mounir> glob: you are one of the developers for b.m.o right?
# [17:51] <glob> mounir, yessir
# [17:52] <avih> glandium: suggestions?
# [17:52] <mounir> glob: since a recent major upgrade, "saved list" are no longer working
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# [17:52] <mounir> glob: I was wondering if that was in your radar
# [17:52] <glob> mounir, i'm not aware of that issue. what do you mean exactly by 'saved list' ?
# [17:53] <glandium> avih: https://github.com/erikrose/blessings/issues/21 that doesn't look very good
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# [17:53] <jcranmer|away> philor: ping
# [17:53] <philor> jcranmer|away: pong
# [17:54] <philor> hmm
# [17:54] <mounir> glob: it is a saved search but not actually a search but a list of bugs
# [17:54] <jcranmer|away> philor: do you know why S is being colored orange?
# [17:54] <mounir> glob: actually, while looking into where to enable that I found that the bug is actually that they have been mark as "hidden" during the migration
# [17:54] <glob> mounir, named tags? bug 850532 ?
# [17:54] <mounir> glob: named tag, exactly
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# [17:55] <Ms2ger> mikeratcliffe, you want bz
# [17:55] <avih> glandium: indeed...
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# [17:55] <mounir> glob: so, the bug was fixed but they were hidden by default...
# [17:56] <glob> mounir, as per the bug that was duplicated to, there's no way for us to fix that as the data was deleted :( you should however be able to manually re-add your queries to your footer
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# [17:56] <philor> jcranmer|away: "Started sendchange (results: 2", and 302 releng, looks vaguely like a build type is supposed to either have a testsUrl (where the packaged tests were uploaded) or have something you're missing to say that there is none
# [17:56] <mikeratcliffe> Ms2ger: thx
# [17:56] <mounir> glob: just did, thanks anyway :)
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# [17:57] <jcranmer|away> philor: so how do I file to say that I don't need that?
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# [17:57] <philor> jcranmer|away: "Static analysis builds fail in sendchange with 'Failure instance: Traceback: <type 'exceptions.KeyError'>: 'testsUrl''"
# [17:57] <jcranmer|away> more accuratel, where do I file that?
# [17:58] <philor> releng: automation(general)
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# [18:02] <philor> and it turns out Ms2ger was exactly right, greenish :)
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# [18:02] <jcranmer|away> and I was hoping that I could finally get it expanded to "run on all trees"
# [18:03] <jesup> For running mochitests in the debugger on windows.... how do you do it?
# [18:03] <Ms2ger> Cry
# [18:03] <jesup> ted: ^?
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# [18:03] <jesup> Ms2ger: I was afraid of that
# [18:03] <Ms2ger> But that's just my opinion :)
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# [18:05] <edmorley> jcranmer|away: not far to go until green now :-)
# [18:05] <jcranmer|away> it's releng's problem now
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# [18:05] <ted> jesup: there's no straightforward way
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# [18:07] <edmorley> jcranmer|away: btw tip for finding out which step resulted in orange (or any !=0 result) is to look at the result code at the top of the log [in this case: results: warnings (1)] and then search the start/end step markers (indicated by the "=========") for the result of the same integer
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# [18:07] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/d50edb6a79aa - Timothy Arceri - Bug 876553 - Rotate the filepicker preview image base on the exif orientation tag r=karlt
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# [18:09] <edmorley> philor: oh ha yeah in this case we tweak it
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# [18:10] <jorendorff> Does anyone know why we have mozilla::Abs instead of using std::abs?
# [18:10] <edmorley> jcranmer|away: ok so the more idiot proof way is just to search for "result: [^0]"
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# [18:10] <ted> apparently ./mach mochitest-plain --debugger "/c/Program Files/Debugging Tools For Windows (x64)/windbg.exe" works
# [18:10] <ted> i had no idea
# [18:10] <joe> jorendorff: waldo wrote a blog post
# [18:10] <ted> i would not have guessed that
# [18:11] <jorendorff> joe++ thank you!
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# [18:21] <philor> who is hitting pause on an HTMLMediaElement during shutdown in mochitest-1?
# [18:22] <philor> starting with last night's merge from inbound to central
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# [18:25] <philor> so many many possibilities
# [18:25] <philor> roc and ehsan prime among them
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# [18:26] <philor> though tn and his destroying of widgets might not be out of the running
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# [18:28] <joe> let's just revert to firefox 3
# [18:29] <joe> that was a pretty good firefox
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# [18:29] <philor> 17 would suit me fine
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# [18:30] <philor> but I'm sure that dereferencing a NULL nsCOMPtr with operator->() isn't that big a deal
# [18:30] <jwalden> imma let you finish, but b2g18 was the best Firefox of all time
# [18:30] <philor> and after all, if someone's shutting down anyway a crash shouldn't matter
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# [18:33] <jwalden> 17 < 18
# [18:33] <jesup> ted++
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# [18:59] <Cwiiis> RyanVM, edmorley, I'll push a follow-up for an intermittent from bug 803299, is that ok? (I'll get r+ first) - just wanted to heads-up in case you were thinking of backing out (it's Android R3)
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# [18:59] <RyanVM> the one that got it backed out yesterday?
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# [19:01] <Cwiiis> RyanVM, right, I pushed again earlier with that test fuzzed, but it looks like there's another related test I missed
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# [19:08] <Yoric> Remind me, does NS_WARNING show up in non DEBUG builds?
# [19:08] <philor> RyanVM: I just closed inbound because between us, you and I starred every Windows cross-site XHR failure as a Win8 bug, that seems suspicious
# [19:08] <Ms2ger> Yoric, no
# [19:08] <Yoric> ok
# [19:08] <Yoric> thanks
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# [19:08] <Ms2ger> Np
# [19:09] <RyanVM> philor: wfm, i'm still trying to get my bearings about me since I just got here
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# [19:09] <Cwiiis> philor, can I push my follow up for android test fuzzing? I'd rather not let that get backed out again if possible
# [19:09] <philor> Cwiiis: sure, it's a bustage fix, good as any other bustage fix
# [19:10] <philor> RyanVM: and in other news I don't want to deal with, something in https://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/pushloghtml?startID=24743&endID=24744 must be the cause of the all-over-all-trees Mac debug mochitest-1 shutdown assertions
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# [19:10] <RyanVM> yeah, was just saying the same to ed
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# [19:16] <Cwiiis> philor, you just need to put 'CLOSEDTREE' in the commit message to push on a closed tree, right?
# [19:17] <RyanVM> space in between
# [19:17] <Cwiiis> RyanVM, thanks
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# [19:17] <Cwiiis> RyanVM, do I need an a= for that?
# [19:17] <@ehsan> philor: did I break something?
# [19:17] <RyanVM> no
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# [19:17] <RyanVM> (that was to Cwiiis)
# [19:17] <@ehsan> good!
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# [19:21] <ialagenchev> Hello all, what is the best way to register a callback in nsHttpChannel that will be used to pass data to nsDocument? I see that a potentially good place to do this is nsDocShell::DoURILoad which creates the channel as part of its logic. I just don't know if there is anything in place to register and invoke callbacks between documents and channels, or if I need to expose something new.
# [19:21] <@bz> ialagenchev: what sort of data?
# [19:22] <ialagenchev> a queue of security error messages
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# [19:23] <@bz> ialagenchev: So the normal way to do this is to have some sort of interface that the callbacks for the channel implement
# [19:23] <@bz> ialagenchev: and call into that interface
# [19:23] <@bz> ialagenchev: But the callbacks for a channel are the docshell, not the document
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# [19:24] <@bz> ialagenchev: And also, do you only need this for document channels or also subresource loads?
# [19:24] <philor> ehsan: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=23533241&tree=Mozilla-Central - no idea who, where or how, but now we've put it all over every trunk tree
# [19:24] <ialagenchev> bz: i don't know yet :-).
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# [19:25] <@ehsan> philor: I haven't touched that code...
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# [19:25] <philor> okay, no problem, we'll just wait until someone who has shows up
# [19:25] <ialagenchev> bz: I don't know what subresource loads are to be frank. Where could I go to find out more about how to use the interface and callback mechanisms, or does such a place even exist … apart from the code obviously?
# [19:26] <@bz> ialagenchev: well, so... it will matter, right?
# [19:26] <@bz> ialagenchev: subresources are things like images, scripts, plug-ins, video, audio, stylesheets, etc, etc
# [19:27] <@bz> ialagenchev: You could look at users of NS_QueryNotificationCallbacks
# [19:27] <ialagenchev> bz: I see. Yeah potentially that might be important too. Let me give you the big picture. We want to output security warnings to the security web console, if there are issues on the page being loaded. Right now I am working on a ticket to do that for strict security headers.
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# [19:28] <@bz> ok
# [19:28] <@bz> so why do you need the document?
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# [19:29] <@bz> (and ignoring for the moment e10s issues....)
# [19:30] <nsm> jlebar: ping
# [19:30] <jlebar> nsm: ack
# [19:30] <jlebar> nsm: and here we both thought this patch was going to be simple...
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# [19:31] <nsm> jlebar: is this a known bug? d = 1369848402471, (new Date(d).getTime()) -> 1369848402471, (new Date(new Date(d))).getTime() ->1369848402000
# [19:31] <ialagenchev> bz: because a previous ticket to write to the console was implemented by calling FlushCSPWebConsoleErrorQueue(); in the nsDocument::SetScriptGlobalObject. That ticket was implemented by my mentor(i am an intern) and he was told that that's the best place to flush to the web security console
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# [19:31] <ialagenchev> bz: it was done that way because error messages are available before the document is available, so he is storing everything in a queue, which gets flushed on ContentViewer::close
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# [19:32] <ialagenchev> bz: Here is the exact ticket: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=821877
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# [19:33] <ialagenchev> bz: so essentially, I want to load the queue with the messages from inside nsHttpChannel and it will get flushed the same way from inside SetScriptGlobalObject
# [19:33] <jlebar> nsm: you'd have to check the ecmascript spec
# [19:33] <jlebar> nsm: I don't know what that's supposed to do. :)
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# [19:33] <jlebar> http://www.ecma-international.org/ecma-262/5.1/#sec-15.9
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# [19:35] <jlebar> nsm: or, I suppose, we could look at another browser.
# [19:36] <jlebar> nsm: yeah, chrome does what you expect.
# [19:36] <@bz> ialagenchev: ok
# [19:36] <@bz> ialagenchev: let me think
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# [19:36] <jlebar> nsm: So that could very well be our bug. You can ask in jsapi if it's a known bug, or you can just file one and let the JS folks dupe it.
# [19:36] <@bz> ialagenchev: so for everything except the document channel you can just get the document from the associatedWindow on the nsILoadContext
# [19:36] * jlebar doesn't see anything in the spec asking us to clip off the ms, but could be missing something.
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# [19:39] <ialagenchev> bz: and I do that by calling GetCallback in nsHttpChannel? nsCOMPtr<nsILoadContext> loadContext; GetCallback(loadContext);
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# [19:40] <@bz> ialagenchev:
# [19:40] <@bz> 1303 nsCOMPtr<nsILoadContext> loadContext;
# [19:40] <@bz> 1304 NS_QueryNotificationCallbacks(channel, loadContext);
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# [19:43] <ialagenchev> bz: OK. Can I then expose some method to relay the callback to the document, or would that be against some practices and resulting in my patch not being approved? It seems to me that I would have to expose something in nsDocument to support either the callbacks or passing the queue around and this appears to be less invasive, so I don't see getting around adding new methods. I am asking because I was told that the less changes I make to
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# [19:43] <@bz> ialagenchev: relay what callback to the document?
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# [19:43] <@bz> ialagenchev: the point is that once you have the load context you can get the document of the associatedWindow
# [19:44] <evilpie> nsm: known "feature"
# [19:44] <@bz> ialagenchev: whether that's useful for your purposes depends... for document channels it's not, but for others it is
# [19:44] <nsm> evilpie: yea :) bug 810973
# [19:44] <nsm> jlebar: ^
# [19:44] <ialagenchev> bz: OK. Then I don't understand this comment: bz
# [19:44] <ialagenchev> 10:36
# [19:44] <ialagenchev> ialagenchev: so for everything except the document channel you can just get the document from the associatedWindow on the nsILoadContext
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# [19:45] <@bz> OK. What part do you not understand?
# [19:45] <ialagenchev> bz: I am not clear what you are referring to as "document channel"
# [19:45] <jwalden> nsm: new Date(new Date) only roundtrips conditionally based on whether Date.prototype.toString() contains millisecond output or not; in SpiderMonkey it doesn't, right now; ES6 may change from ES5 to say that new Date(new Date) does exact cloning without using toString output
# [19:46] <jlebar> TIL "ipsedixitism"
# [19:46] <jwalden> jlebar: ^
# [19:46] <jwalden> ...and evilpie commented on all this just now
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# [19:46] <jwalden> jlebar: quite useful for web specs
# [19:47] <@bz> ialagenchev: A channel that is loading a new document
# [19:47] <@bz> ialagenchev: as opposed to image/stylesheet/etc
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# [19:47] <ialagenchev> bz: I see. OK. Thanks a lot for your help. Now I know how to approach this.
# [19:47] <@bz> ialagenchev: greaet
# [19:48] <@bz> ialagenchev: Feel free to mail me (bz at mit dot edu) if you run into trouble)
# [19:48] <ialagenchev> bz: It all makes a lot of sense after your explanation. Thanks for the email.
# [19:49] <Ms2ger> bz, not bzbarsky at...?
# [19:49] <@bz> Ms2ger: ends up the same place, and is shorter
# [19:49] <Ms2ger> Interesting
# [19:49] <@bz> Ms2ger: "bz" is a mailing list with just me on it
# [19:49] <jesup> !seen bas
# [19:49] <firebot> bas was last seen 3 hours, 5 minutes and 20 seconds ago, saying 'nical: We want one, but we want it to be a lot better than nsIntRegion.' in #gfx.
# [19:50] <Ms2ger> Heh
# [19:50] <Ms2ger> I would subscribe to your newsletter ;)
# [19:50] <@bz> ms2ger: lol
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# [19:53] <jwalden> hmm, I missed my chance to swipe waldo at MIT.EDU :-\
# [19:53] <jwalden> someone had it while I was at MIT, now someone (else) has it
# [19:53] <jwalden> I should strike while the iron's hot if it goes free again
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# [19:53] <tbsaunde> bz: MIT lets you keep an account and have mailing lists? /me slightly jelless
# [19:53] <Ms2ger> jwalden, put a yearly reminder in your calendar ;)
# [19:53] <jwalden> tbsaunde: sometimes
# [19:54] <jwalden> tbsaunde: you can get a sponsored account, if you can get someone to sponsor it
# [19:54] <tbsaunde> ah, I see
# [19:54] <jwalden> (yes, you can get someone to sponsor your account, depending)
# [19:54] <jwalden> among my other talents, I can integer-divide by zero, if I can integer-divide by zero
# [19:55] <@ehsan> does anybody know if we still have DEBUG_username macros working?
# [19:55] <Ms2ger> You can make them work
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# [19:55] <Ms2ger> --enable-debug=ehsan, IIRC
# [19:55] <@ehsan> huh
# [19:55] <@ehsan> and what's our policy for putting code under DEBUG_ehsan?
# [19:55] <jwalden> Ms2ger: I
# [19:55] <jwalden> er
# [19:55] <Ms2ger> Defer to module owner
# [19:55] <@ehsan> oh
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# [19:56] <@ehsan> well, in this case the owner disagrees with me :(
# [19:56] <jwalden> I'll file the note in my mind to do it every year around Mystery Hunt (I think after the yearly account purge)
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# [19:59] <nsm> jlebar: hey, this might be a stupid question, but i don't know how (0, 0) would cause issues with the types
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# [20:01] <nsm> jlebar: i'll fix it to use int64 because PR_Now() also returns a 64bit number
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# [20:02] <jlebar> nsm: I guess int32_t works for 0, 0, because http://codepad.org/eff3SOp9
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# [20:03] <jlebar> nsm: hm, so maybe it works. The intracacies of implicit C casts are lost on me this afternoon...
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# [20:04] <dcamp> hey who do I think for mc-merge?
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# [20:05] <jwalden> jlebar: that code is, I'm pretty sure, undefined behavior, because casts to signed only work if the input value is in the signed target type's range
# [20:05] <@ehsan> BenWa: is it normal for layer borders to jiggle when scrolling?
# [20:05] <jwalden> and I think your -1000000...0LL is out of 32-bit range
# [20:05] <@smaug> hmm, so we have browser console, web console and error console
# [20:05] <@smaug> this is getting complicated
# [20:05] <jlebar> jwalden: is static_cast defined?
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# [20:05] <evilpie> error console is going away
# [20:05] <jlebar> nsm: ^
# [20:06] <jwalden> jlebar: casts, static_cast or otherwise, to signed from an outside-range value are always undefined
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# [20:06] <jlebar> jwalden: okay.
# [20:06] <jwalden> jlebar, nsm: I haven't blogged about it yet, but mozilla/Casting.h has a SafeCast<target>() method that'll assert your casts are correct, although that doesn't help here since it sounds like it's not guaranteed to be in-bounds
# [20:06] <jlebar> nsm: so it sounds like we need an explicit bounds check on both ends. There's a macro somewhere for that...
# [20:06] <@smaug> evilpie: I wish we don't lose the functionality of error console
# [20:06] <jgilbert> CheckedInt then?
# [20:07] <jwalden> e.g. SafeCast<int32_t>(int64_t(INT32_MIN)) will be fine, SafeCast<int32_T>(INT64_MIN) will assert
# [20:07] <jlebar> nsm: Or checked(x, 0, INT32_MAX)
# [20:07] <jwalden> yeah, we can easily make SafeCast<CheckedInt<T> >(...) do what's expected
# [20:07] <jlebar> erm, s/checked/clamped
# [20:07] <nsm> jlebar: clamp both seconds and nanoseconds?
# [20:08] <nsm> or the final calculation?
# [20:08] <jlebar> nsm: clamp the result of the final calculation (an int64) to an int32.
# [20:08] <BenWa> ehsan: with layers it always depends
# [20:08] <evilpie> smaug: if there is something missing from the browser console that is a bug
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# [20:09] <@ehsan> BenWa: on what? I'm seeing this on TBPL and want to know if I should ignore it
# [20:09] <jwalden> nsm, jlebar: worth noting that new-enough clang has a -fsanitize=undefined compiler flag which will spew error messages when casts (implicit or otherwise) invoke UB
# [20:09] <BenWa> ehsan: want to show me?
# [20:09] <@ehsan> BenWa: yes
# [20:09] <@ehsan> BenWa: wanna come over?
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# [20:09] <mccr8> I cause no end of trouble for Ms2ger it seems
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# [20:10] <jgilbert> jwalden: I assume the tree is too full of these to run this on a trunk build?
# [20:10] <jwalden> jgilbert: haven't tried, but odds are that's the case
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# [20:11] <jwalden> jgilbert: could be instructive to do such a build and find out the main transgressors, of course
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# [20:11] <jgilbert> jwalden: sounds fun. I'll spin one up
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# [20:11] <jwalden> jgilbert: probably we might want to follow the compiler-warning-error thing and make it a directory-enabled flag, then incrementally clean up the tree for it
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# [20:12] * jwalden has used it before for super-simple code, like mfbt/tests/TestCheckedInt.cpp, to good effect
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# [20:12] <jwalden> although that was a special case where we were specifically looking at code that was hyper-sensitive to bad-cast issues, so was going to be cleaner than average
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# [20:13] <jgilbert> yeah
# [20:13] <@smaug> msucan: ok, works. Thanks
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# [20:13] <msucan> smaug: great
# [20:13] <jwalden> and I just did a non-"-s" build and munged the compiler line to get my -fsanitize=undefined executable to run
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# [20:19] <spohl> Gijs: ping
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# [20:26] <@smaug> dholbert: is Six an intern or what?
# [20:26] <jlebar> nsm: I'm sorry, I just checked; clamped doesn't work.
# [20:26] <@smaug> dholbert: btw, will you take care of landing the patch?
# [20:26] <RyanVM> smaug: afaik, he's a volunteer
# [20:26] <jlebar> nsm: because clamped will first convert the first arg to an int32_t, which is what we're trying to avoid.
# [20:26] <Ms2ger> I'd have thought that too
# [20:26] <jlebar> nsm: I think clamped<int64_t> is OK.
# [20:26] <Gijs> spohl: half-pong, cooking, may be a little slow. What's up?
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# [20:26] <dholbert> smaug, contributor
# [20:27] <dholbert> smaug, & sure
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# [20:27] <@smaug> thanks
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# [20:29] <spohl> Gijs: no problem and no rush. I just added you as need-info to bug 874469.
# [20:29] <spohl> Gijs: feel free to look at it whenever you have time. :-)
# [20:29] <spohl> Gijs: thanks!
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# [20:30] <nsm> jlebar: clamped<int64_t>(relMs, 0, **INT32_MAX**) ?
# [20:30] <jlebar> nsm: yes
# [20:30] <jlebar> nsm: The result is an int64 between 0 and int32_max.
# [20:31] <jlebar> nsm: Then that can be safely implicitly cast to int32, per jwalden above.
# [20:31] <jwalden> nsm: although SafeCast<int32_t>(clamped<int64_t>(...)) would be better than an implicit cast :-)
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# [20:33] <sfink> bent: ping
# [20:33] <bent> sfink, here!
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# [20:34] <sfink> bent: so I'm back to my memory leak
# [20:34] <sfink> and I'm wondering what can cause the behavior I'm seeing
# [20:34] <sfink> I'm running the Broadway h264 decoder demo
# [20:35] <Gijs> spohl: cool, will have a look later on.
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# [20:35] <sfink> I added printouts to the constructor and destructor of MessageEventRunnable
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# [20:35] <sfink> I see way more constructions than destructions while the video is playing back
# [20:35] <Gijs> Ms2ger: while your enthusiasm is admirable, this is the first time I'm cooking this risotto, and you may not want to be part of the experiment...
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# [20:35] <sfink> which seems to imply they're piling up somewhere
# [20:35] <Ms2ger> Heh
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# [20:35] <sfink> (if I shut down the browser, everything gets destroyed properly, so I think my instrumentation is correct)
# [20:36] <sfink> ...what would cause that?
# [20:36] <bent> sfink, well, if the worker can't process the messages as fast as they're coming in?
# [20:36] <bent> sfink, workers have lower priority than main/other threads
# [20:38] <sfink> hm... so I guess it's up to the page to not flood the worker with too many messages
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# [20:38] <sfink> although I thought the big data would be traveling from the worker to the main thread, in my particular case
# [20:38] <sfink> and perhaps it is
# [20:39] <bent> sfink, it's also possible for the worker to flood the main thread
# [20:39] <sfink> well, in terms of raw message counts, I'm seeing far more with aTarget == WorkerThread
# [20:40] <bent> ok
# [20:40] <sfink> I guess I should go back to before my patch, to see if it shows the same behavior
# [20:40] <sfink> totally confused as to how my patch would affect any of this, but I guess that's the usual story
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# [20:44] <Mossop> Where do I file a bug to request access to a build slave?
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# [20:46] <@gavin> Mossop: mozilla.org::release engineering
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# [20:56] <no_gravity> Hello! Is there a way to find out to which ip firefox connects when requesting a website?
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# [20:57] <no_gravity> It looks like FF is connecting a different ip then ping connects for the same host.
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# [20:59] <NeilAway> jlebar: my comment on 855847 was from code inspection, I hadn't even tried to compile it
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# [21:01] <jlebar> !
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# [21:35] <@ehsan> ted: ping
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# [21:38] <ted> ehsan: pong
# [21:38] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/ace94c40f23a - Arnaud Sourioux - Bug 875367 followup: Manually annotate ScrollSelectionIntoView and RepaintSelection in nsPresShell.h as MOZ_OVERRIDE. r=dholbert
# [21:38] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/761fa2e9b325 - Arnaud Sourioux - Bug 875367: Annotate ~280 more methods with MOZ_OVERRIDE in /layout. r=dholbert
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# [21:40] <Ms2ger> dholbert, can you get him on dom next? :)
# [21:40] <dholbert> Ms2ger, sure! :)
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# [21:40] <dholbert> Ms2ger, feel free to file a bug and CC him
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# [21:41] <dholbert> Ms2ger, particularly if you're up for reviewing
# [21:41] <Ms2ger> Bah
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# [21:47] <Fallen> Ms2ger: I found only the view-only links in the share calendar settings on outlook.com. You can use the ics link to add it to Lightning
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# [21:47] <Ms2ger> Fallen, yeah, that worked
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# [21:48] <Ms2ger> Fallen, funny thing: if someone shares their outlook.com calendar with you, that's not sufficient to get hold of that link
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# [21:51] <philor> is 128 the biggest difference you can make in an 8-bit number by flipping just one bit?
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# [21:52] <dzbarsky> philor: not in 2's complement
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# [21:53] <Ms2ger> dzbarsky, now you also get to show an example :)
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# [21:54] <dholbert> In 2's complement, 11111111 = -256, 01111111 = 127
# [21:54] <dzbarsky> 111111111 = -1
# [21:55] <dholbert> oh right
# [21:55] <dzbarsky> yeah, I made the same mistake
# [21:55] <dholbert> don't mind me
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# [21:55] <Mossop> Ugh how do I kill clippy from mach?
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# [21:55] <Fallen> Ms2ger: what you could try is this addon: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/addon/exchange-20072010-calendar-/ (note there seems to be a newer version thats important, see description) and these settings: http://email.about.com/od/Outlook.com/f/What-Are-The-Outlook-Com-Exchange-ActiveSync-Settings.htm
# [21:56] <Ms2ger> Mossop, don't use commands that don't exist
# [21:56] <dholbert> 10000000 = -256, 00000000 = 0 (?)
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# [21:56] <Ms2ger> Fallen, thanks, I did manage to get my hands on the url and everything works fine :)
# [21:56] <efaust> yeah, but 10000000 is only -128, right?
# [21:57] <dholbert> oh right, sorry
# [21:57] <efaust> philor: I'm pretty sure you're right. Your CS 101 prof won't be ashamed.
# [21:57] <dholbert> I was thinking 2's complement ranged from -256 up to +255
# [21:57] <dholbert> which was confusing me
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# [21:57] <dholbert> efaust is right
# [21:57] <Ms2ger> In 8 bits?
# [21:57] <dholbert> of course, because 2^8 is 256
# [21:57] <dholbert> :)
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# [21:58] <Ms2ger> RyanVM, you're back and landing aurora backports?
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# [21:59] <RyanVM> yessir
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# [21:59] <Ms2ger> RyanVM, then I'll let my patch just sit, if you don't mind :)
# [21:59] <Fallen> Ms2ger: oh cool, good to know :)
# [22:00] <@ehsan> ted: so I downloaded the minidump for that crash on tinderbox, and it looks like the symbol server doesn't have the symbols for that build
# [22:00] <RyanVM> Ms2ger: no prob
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# [22:00] <@ehsan> ted: do we upload symbols for tinderbox builds to the symbol server?
# [22:00] <ted> no
# [22:00] <Ms2ger> Fallen, except that it's read-only, but I'm not going to try changing anything now it works :)
# [22:00] <ted> only nightlies/releases
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# [22:00] <ted> you can get the breakpad-format symbols, they're next to the build on FTP
# [22:01] <ted> but we don't upload the native symbols anywhere
# [22:01] <Fallen> oh ok. Well, the activesync things might make it writable, but I haven't tested it. As long as it works for you its fine :)
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# [22:01] <Ms2ger> Fallen, it does! Yay for software :)
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# [22:01] <@ehsan> ted: so does that mean that minidumps on tinderbox builds are useless?
# [22:01] <ted> you can run them through minidump_stackwalk
# [22:01] <ted> you can look at the top frame in a debugger
# [22:01] <ted> but you can't debug them easily, no
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# [22:02] <ted> "useless" is a strong word
# [22:02] <@ehsan> ted: I see... :(
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# [22:02] <@ehsan> ted: ok thanks
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# [22:04] <tbsaunde> ehsan: glandium handed me some Makefile goo at one point to upload the native symbols let me see if I can find that
# [22:05] <@ehsan> tbsaunde: thanks!
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# [22:08] <tbsaunde> ehsan: actually I think you can just define MOZ_CRASHREPORTER_UPLOAD_FULL_SYMBOLS in the enviroment see toolkit/mozapps/installer/packager.mk:737
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# [22:09] <@ehsan> tbsaunde: hmm, the problem here is that these are regular tinderbox builds... we don't want to do this all the time...
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# [22:12] <tbsaunde> ehsan: huh? you just change the mozconfigs when you're pushing to try if you need symbols for that one build
# [22:12] <@ehsan> tbsaunde: oh, for try pushes!
# [22:12] <@ehsan> tbsaunde: you're right, gotcha
# [22:12] <@ehsan> thanks
# [22:14] <tbsaunde> ehsan: see bug 863715 ted even gave you a patch :)
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# [22:15] <@ehsan> nice!
# [22:15] <@ehsan> this is very helpful, thanks tbsaunde
# [22:17] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/387e67f2b745 - Boris Zbarsky - Bug 876725. Make use of IDL default string values in CSSStyleDeclaration to simplify the code. r=smaug
# [22:17] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/f327a0802164 - Boris Zbarsky - Bug 876805. Fix unsafe reference gc hazards in dom/ code. r=smaug
# [22:17] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/6b4643b6b64b - Mats Palmgren - Bug 871099. r=bzbarsky a=akeybl
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# [22:19] <RyanVM> so if a shutdown crash has XUL!nsHttpDigestAuth::GenerateCredentials(nsIHttpAuthenticableChannel*, char const*, bool, unsigned short const*, unsigned short const*, unsigned short const*, nsISupports**, nsISupports**, unsigned int*, char**)::hexChar + 0x15ed4 on the stack
# [22:20] <RyanVM> this points to NSS?
# [22:20] <RyanVM> (if so, yay, a new NSS shutdown crash!)
# [22:21] <Ms2ger> Any prefs left to toggle?
# [22:21] <RyanVM> it's OSX, so it's a whole new world :P
# [22:21] <RyanVM> (this is the OSX debug M1 orange on m-c/inbound/fx-team)
# [22:21] <RyanVM> also gives a nice 08:50:14 INFO - [Parent 440] ###!!! ABORT: You can't dereference a NULL nsCOMPtr with operator->().: 'mRawPtr != 0', file ../../../../dist/include/nsCOMPtr.h, line 839
# [22:22] <RyanVM> hmm, some of the stacks have XUL!mozilla::dom::HTMLLinkElement::Release() [HTMLLinkElement.cpp:8d85de779506 : 53 + 0x19] on them too
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# [22:23] <RyanVM> actually, this stack is pretty enlightening
# [22:23] <RyanVM> Ms2ger: bz: http://www.pastebin.mozilla.org/2459192
# [22:24] <Ms2ger> rillian, ^
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# [22:25] <RyanVM> hmm, roc has some stuff that landed in the right timeframe
# [22:25] <rillian> Ms2ger: hum. I certainly touched the code.
# [22:25] <RyanVM> https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/fx-team/rev/603eed8ed8a8
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# [22:26] <Ms2ger> RyanVM, what tree is that from?
# [22:26] <rillian> how is the cycle collector unlinking the same pointer twice?
# [22:26] <RyanVM> fx-team, but you can take your pick
# [22:26] <RyanVM> the orange is on m-c and inbound too
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# [22:26] <Ms2ger> RyanVM, I want to match up the line number :)
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# [22:26] <RyanVM> that's the earliest occurrence, though
# [22:26] <RyanVM> Ms2ger: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=23533420&tree=Fx-Team
# [22:26] <RyanVM> more to the point - https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/fx-team/rev/008e4e53a4ff
# [22:27] <Ms2ger> Ta
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# [22:27] <Ms2ger> mac2unix reuben
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# [22:28] <reuben> Highly Important Experiments were in progress
# [22:28] <RyanVM> ok, so I'll file this under Core::Video/Audio and CC y'all
# [22:28] <Ms2ger> RyanVM, the stack claims it's on "mAutoplaying = false;", so I think it lies a little :)
# [22:29] <RyanVM> i'll be posting links to more logs when I file
# [22:29] <RyanVM> so maybe they'll be of more use
# [22:29] <@smaug> rillian: for example if unlinking somewhere is not complete so that the object ends up to purple buffer again
# [22:29] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/7220b0615ba6 - Stephen Pohl - Bug 877085: Fix crash when trying to obtain the width of non-disappearing scrollbars. r=smichaud
# [22:29] <Ms2ger> I'll see the results in the morning :)
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# [22:30] <RyanVM> this is fun!
# [22:31] <@smaug> CCing me is fun ?
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# [22:33] <RyanVM> i'm easily entertained
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# [22:34] <@smaug> hmm, I wonder which tree I should be looking
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# [22:34] <@smaug> not m-c
# [22:34] <RyanVM> smaug: It's on m-c and siblings
# [22:35] <@smaug> line number isn't correct for m-c
# [22:35] <RyanVM> i'm adding an m-c link to the bug right now
# [22:35] <RyanVM> one sec
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# [22:37] <@smaug> thanks
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# [22:37] <RyanVM> thank you :)
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# [22:40] <@smaug> hmm, still don't see where it is crashing. rillian, do you know which line is actually crashing ?
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# [22:42] <ialagenchev> Could someone please explain to me why I am getting the following compiler error: nsCOMPtr.h:520:11: error: static_cast from 'nsIDOMWindow *' to 'nsISupports *' is not allowed. I am trying to get my associated window inside nsHttpChannel by following code that does the same thing in ThirdPartyUtil.cpp. Here is what I have:
# [22:42] <ialagenchev> nsCOMPtr<nsILoadContext> loadContext;
# [22:42] <ialagenchev> NS_QueryNotificationCallbacks(this, loadContext);
# [22:42] <ialagenchev> nsCOMPtr<nsIDOMWindow> window;
# [22:42] <ialagenchev> loadContext->GetAssociatedWindow(getter_AddRefs(window));
# [22:42] <ialagenchev> and here is in ThirdPartyUtil.cpp:
# [22:42] <ialagenchev> nsCOMPtr<nsIDOMWindow> ourWin, parentWin;
# [22:42] <ialagenchev> ctx->GetAssociatedWindow(getter_AddRefs(ourWin));
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# [22:43] <mrbkap> RyanVM: ping?
# [22:43] <@smaug> ialagenchev: missing #include "nsIDOMWindow.h" ?
# [22:43] <ialagenchev> smaug: gosh that would be the stupidest error message if that's the cause :-)
# [22:44] <ialagenchev> smaug: trying that out now
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# [22:45] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/a966aadd9ae3 - Arnaud Sourioux - Bug 856822: Annotate ~1700 methods with MOZ_OVERRIDE in /content r=smaug
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# [22:46] <RyanVM> mrbkap: pong
# [22:46] <ialagenchev> smaug: That was it. I wouldn't have guessed. Thanks a bunch
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# [22:47] <@smaug> np
# [22:47] <mrbkap> RyanVM: Hey, in your email about the Birch repo corruption, one of the hg commands uses the human readable number to refer to a changeset.
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# [22:47] <RyanVM> yep
# [22:48] <mrbkap> RyanVM: But those numbers aren't consistant across repositories...
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# [22:48] <RyanVM> mrbkap: the command only applied to birch
# [22:48] <RyanVM> other repos aren't affected
# [22:49] <mrbkap> RyanVM: Right, but depending on when/how people pulled their birch repos, I don't think that number is consistent.
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# [22:49] <mrbkap> RyanVM: In other words, that number is only valid for that particular instance of that local repo.
# [22:49] <mrbkap> RyanVM: Only the changeset IDs are guaranteed to be good across repos.
# [22:49] <RyanVM> the only way I could see that being an issue is if they had committed something in between and not pushed
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# [22:50] <RyanVM> the machine-readable number was consistent across every repo (local and remote) that we came upon today
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# [22:55] <RyanVM> mrbkap: or is there another way that could happen?
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# [22:56] <tbsaunde> how do you tell what the latest version an addon suppports on addons mxr?
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# [22:56] <mrbkap> RyanVM: I don't remember the details any more, but if someone e.g. started with an m-c repo and pulled birch that could cause the numbers to differ.
# [22:56] <mrbkap> RyanVM: as opposed to cloning the birch repo from scratch.
# [22:57] <RyanVM> mrbkap: that really shouldn't happen since the two mirror each other
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# [22:57] <RyanVM> even so, given how recent the corruption was, I doubt it'll hurt anything in practice
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# [22:57] <RyanVM> the actual corrupted cset was in the middle of the merge push
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# [22:58] <RyanVM> so basically it's just "strip far enough back to avoid the bad and re-pull"
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# [22:58] <RyanVM> fwiw, birch and m-c both have 133270 as their tip cset (or did at the time of that email anyway)
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# [23:02] <tbsaunde> so if an addon has max version 9.* in install.rdf does that mean it only supports up to version 9 of firefox, or does it support later because of autocompat stuff? dzbarsky msucan do you remember?
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# [23:02] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/0278e6f6332d - Jeff Gilbert - Bug 876929 - Check for OES_standard_derivatives on GLES2. - r=bjacob
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# [23:04] <mrbkap> RyanVM: all I can find is http://mercurial.selenic.com/wiki/RevisionNumber which isn't all that useful :/
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# [23:04] <RyanVM> good to know, thanks
# [23:05] <msucan> tbsaunde: i haven't been doing work with extensions, so i don't know very well how that works. sorry
# [23:05] <msucan> and now i'm going to sleep, good night
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# [23:07] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/d8b5a5697a30 - Trevor Saunders - bug 869806 - fix assertion about event type in accessibleWrap.cpp r=surkov
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# [23:13] <Gijs> dholbert: sorry, forgot to say this in my comment, but: thanks *a lot* for looking into this. Really a big help; as you might tell from the bug, we've been flailing trying to figure this out for a while now... :)
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# [23:14] <dholbert> Gijs, np :) I hope I can help
# [23:14] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/281dc9793a73 - Ehsan Akhgari - Backed out 8 changesets (bug 803299) because it makes Tcheckerboard and Tpan so much worse
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# [23:16] <dholbert> Gijs, where's the code with the :before/:after in question?
# [23:16] <Gijs> dholbert: one sec
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# [23:18] <Gijs> dholbert: http://hg.mozilla.org/projects/ux/file/3d19d2db3a3b/browser/themes/shared/tabs.inc.css#l11 , http://hg.mozilla.org/projects/ux/file/3d19d2db3a3b/browser/themes/osx/browser.css#l2256
# [23:18] <dholbert> Gijs, thanks
# [23:18] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/3abf58d85bb0 - Richard Newman - Bug 877061 - PluginProvider can't find Home plugins on Android. r=Mossop
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# [23:20] <Gijs> dholbert: the ordinal-ordered hboxes are there for draw in titlebar reasons, which is why they're not there on linux, IIRC. On Windows, this happened when we still had such a box to make space for the app (Firefox) button on the left. The hbox would be near the end of the childnodes list, and would get ordinal'd to the beginning, if that makes sense.
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# [23:20] <Gijs> dholbert: removing the Firefox button meant we got rid of that placeholder, and that's made this bug go away on Windows.
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# [23:22] <Gijs> (see eg. http://hg.mozilla.org/projects/ux/file/3d19d2db3a3b/browser/base/content/browser.xul#l851 for an idea what this is about)
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# [23:23] <dholbert> Gijs, gotcha
# [23:23] <wg9s> this is all an idea bout going back to the macintosh interface form the 1980's
# [23:23] <wg9s> someone has somehow decided it is a new idea.
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# [23:24] <wg9s> where you can only have one viewable meny and that is only for the currently selected application
# [23:25] <wg9s> so if you have 2 windows visible ont he screen it takes more moseclicks than it should to select something on the application you did not last click on.
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# [23:28] <wg9s> this is a there is one foreground window and others are background and you have to make then the forground window befroe you decide what to do model
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# [23:28] <wg9s> I don;t find this to be a good model.
# [23:29] <philor> djvj: not looking so good
# [23:29] <wg9s> this si a 30 year old model of how things should work.
# [23:29] <philor> dholbert|lunch: not looking entirely great
# [23:29] <djvj> philor: working on it
# [23:30] <djvj> philor: I think I can spot fix this.
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# [23:30] <philor> RyanVM: I closed your inbound tree
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# [23:30] <ejpbruel> bz: if I compile m-c with --enable-debug and --disable-optimize, i should be able to get stack traces from gdb when running mochitests, right?
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# [23:31] <RealRaven> is there a xul attribute that sets cancelBubble = true? I want to acoid clickthrough to parent containers on a label
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# [23:31] <@khuey|tw> ejpbruel: yes
# [23:32] <RyanVM> philor: rock on
# [23:32] <djvj> RyanVM: philor: gimme like 3 minutes
# [23:32] <wg9s> now for smaller screens like phones and tablets it does work becuase you probably never have room to have more than on app vsible but trying to make it work on a desktop is kind of not so much a good idea.
# [23:32] <@khuey|tw> ejpbruel: assuming you're not in JIT code or something when you need a backtrace
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# [23:32] <RealRaven> or is this sufficient:
# [23:32] <RealRaven> <label id = "versionBox" onclick = "SmartTemplate4.Util.showVersionHistory(true); event.cancelBubble=true;" />
# [23:32] <RealRaven> for stopping the event bubbling to parent items?
# [23:32] <ejpbruel> khuey: well it looks like I am. either that or my stack is corrupted. how can i disable the jit?
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# [23:33] <@khuey|tw> ejpbruel: what does the stack look like?
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# [23:33] <ejpbruel> khuey: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/2459283
# [23:33] <ejpbruel> khuey: im hitting an infinite recursion bug
# [23:33] <@khuey|tw> oh, hmm
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# [23:34] <RealRaven> this is the opposite of what I need:
# [23:34] <RealRaven> https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/XUL/Attribute/allowevents
# [23:34] <RealRaven> I need allowBubbles
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# [23:34] <@khuey|tw> ejpbruel: do you have symbols loaded for all the shared libs?
# [23:34] <ejpbruel> khuey: if i break on an earlier call to the same function, it looks like this: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/2459342
# [23:34] <ejpbruel> khuey: how can i tell?
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# [23:34] <mfinkle> automate performance testing in chrome using chrome telemetry API
# [23:34] <mfinkle> https://github.com/topcoat/topcoat/blob/master/test/perf/telemetry/README.md
# [23:35] <@khuey|tw> ejpbruel: yeah that's more what I would expect
# [23:35] <mfinkle> i wonder if we could do something like that?
# [23:35] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/58d396dd75aa - Jan-Ivar Bruaroey - Bug 872839 - Part 1: Put new PeerConnections on global list earlier, ensuring close is called should PC.initialize fail. r=jesup ba=akeybl
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# [23:35] <ejpbruel> khuey: that looks like JIT code, right?
# [23:35] <@khuey|tw> ejpbruel: it could be, I guess
# [23:35] <ejpbruel> khuey: do you know how i can disable the jit when running mochitests?
# [23:36] <BenWa> inbound is closed… again :(
# [23:36] <@khuey|tw> ejpbruel: you want to pass something like --setpref=javascript.options.baselinejit.content=false to the harness
# [23:36] <@khuey|tw> ejpbruel: via EXTRA_TEST_ARGS if you're running it via make
# [23:36] <ejpbruel> I'm using mach *rolleyes*
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# [23:36] <@khuey|tw> ejpbruel: yeah idk how to operate that ;-)
# [23:37] <ejpbruel> khuey: me neither :P
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# [23:37] <@khuey|tw> ejpbruel: you might also need javascript.options.ion.content=false
# [23:37] <philor> jwalker: bug 849695 declines to be the explanation for your tryserver TestStartupCache failures, since 10am today is not a daylight savings time changeover
# [23:38] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/4cd1bae06bb7 - Kannan Vijayan - Bug 831507 - Fix tbpl massive orange on CLOSED TREE. r=bhackett
# [23:39] <djvj> philor: RyanVM: fix pushed. Forgot to test generational gc changes with generational gc disabled :( Should be good now.
# [23:39] <philor> good luck with that fix, since there's Windows build bustage under it...
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# [23:39] <ejpbruel> khuey: damn, that didn't help :(
# [23:39] <djvj> philor: it's not windows, it's x86-32
# [23:39] <mfinkle> ehsan, i think we new about the panning regressions
# [23:39] <mfinkle> knew
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# [23:40] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/2b16cefa20c9 - Ethan Hugg - Bug 873888 - Wait for construction of tracks before returning onAddStream. r=jesup, a=akeybl
# [23:40] <@ehsan> mfinkle: this was a discussion between kats and the gfx folks
# [23:40] <@ehsan> mfinkle: I'm just the messenger of sorts :)
# [23:40] <philor> ah, we just haven't gotten around to running any linux32 debug tests yet
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# [23:41] <mfinkle> ehsan, ok - i'll dig into it
# [23:41] <mfinkle> thanks
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# [23:41] <@ehsan> jrmuizel: defend yourself
# [23:41] <@ehsan> mfinkle: ^
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# [23:41] <ejpbruel> khuey: so the very first time i hit jscompartent::wrap its from pthread_mutex_unlock, which makes NO sense
# [23:41] <mbrubeck> ehsan: Hmm, we talked about this in the bug and on IRC about a month ago; the regressions were known before we landed... :/
# [23:41] <ejpbruel> khuey: how can i check that i have all the debug symbols?
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# [23:41] <mbrubeck> Cwiiis is going to be pissed; this change has been backed out so many times now. :)
# [23:41] <joe> mfinkle: 400% and 70%?
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# [23:42] <jrmuizel> mfinkle, mbrubeck: no one in toronto expected those regressions
# [23:42] <mbrubeck> joe: Neither of those is very meaningful in percentage form like that.
# [23:42] <mbrubeck> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=803299#c42
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# [23:42] <@khuey|tw> jrmuizel: did you expect the spanish inquisition?
# [23:43] <joe> mbrubeck: cwiiis doesn't seem to have done that investigation on trobopan
# [23:43] <mbrubeck> The percentage for tcheckerboard is so high only because our current score is so close to zero.
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# [23:43] <jrmuizel> khuey|tw: no one expects the spanish inquisition
# [23:43] <jesup> RyanVM: ping
# [23:43] <joe> jrmuizel: BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
# [23:43] <mbrubeck> joe: Yeah, that's partly my fault for not capturing our discussion in the bug (it happened over IRC)
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# [23:43] <mbrubeck> joe: I did do some investigation and add documentation at https://wiki.mozilla.org/Buildbot/Talos/Tests#Robocop
# [23:44] <RyanVM> jesup: I know what you're about to say
# [23:44] <RyanVM> I mid-aired
# [23:44] <RyanVM> working on it
# [23:44] <mbrubeck> joe: Basically it's hard to translate absolute robopan scores into user impact because they are sum-of-squares-of-frame-delays
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# [23:44] <joe> yeah
# [23:44] <joe> i'm not super-enthusiastic about making things worse at all, though
# [23:44] <mbrubeck> joe: But since eideticker showed no impact, we were going to take the hit.
# [23:44] <joe> i think ehsan should reland it and then back it out again
# [23:44] <mbrubeck> :)
# [23:44] <jesup> RyanVM: #media - ehugg thinks your beta patch will fail - param changes
# [23:45] <mfinkle> let's discuss killing Trobopan
# [23:45] <jrmuizel> mbrubeck: do we know why eideticker didn't show a regression?
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# [23:45] <mbrubeck> joe: Even if it *were* a user-visible impact, I'd personally be in favor of taking the hit; I don't think we should buy performance by making the web look uglier in Firefox than in any other browser.
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# [23:46] <mfinkle> jrmuizel, i think Trobopan is super sensitive since the current results are ~0
# [23:46] <mbrubeck> (I argued the same thing when we were debating whether to keep using nearest-neighbor interpolation for all our image scaling on mobile.)
# [23:46] <RyanVM> jesup: succeeded w/ fuzz
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# [23:46] <jesup> which patch - original, or the updated-for-aurora patch?
# [23:46] <ehugg> RyanVM: I had a build error on Aurora so updated it, didn't try Beta but it looks the same.
# [23:46] <RyanVM> both
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# [23:46] <RyanVM> patching file media/webrtc/signaling/test/FakeMediaStreams.h
# [23:46] <RyanVM> Hunk #2 succeeded at 206 with fuzz 2 (offset 1 lines).
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# [23:47] <jrmuizel> mbrubeck: that can be a slippery slope, there are current things that we do better than other browsers that hurt performance that we probably shouldn't be doing
# [23:47] * RyanVM really needs to stop bending his "Don't uplift WebRTC patches" rule
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# [23:47] <@ehsan> aki: what's beagle?
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# [23:47] <mbrubeck> jrmuizel: Yeah, but the nearest-neighbor and 16-bit things really make things *visibly* ugly in fairly common scenarios / popular sites.
# [23:48] <jesup> RyanVM: I had a just-compiled beta tree, pulling your change and recompiling
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# [23:48] <RyanVM> jesup: might as well use ehugg's new patch
# [23:48] <RyanVM> i've got backouts/re-lands ready to push for both branches
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# [23:48] <jesup> since I landed the previous patch and compiled/tested mine before landing
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# [23:48] <jesup> RyanVM: ok, sounds good
# [23:49] <RyanVM> i'm going to go ahead and push to aurora
# [23:49] <mbrubeck> jrmuizel: We could probably get some cool memory wins by switching to 16-bit color on desktop, but it's just not an option... we need to render the same as elsewhere. The reason we have it on mobile at all is legacy from when we were running only on hardware with 16-bit displays.
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# [23:49] <jesup> yeah, the patch landed on beta breaks the build
# [23:49] <mbrubeck> If we were starting out in mobile today I doubt anyone would have proposed dropping the color depth to win some barely-noticeable scrolling perf.
# [23:49] <tbsaunde> mbrubeck: forget 16bit color black and white or bust
# [23:49] <mbrubeck> woot!
# [23:50] <mbrubeck> tbsaunde: But can we add a hidden pref to change it to black/green or black/amber?
# [23:50] <RyanVM> jesup: k, just pushing the backout there then
# [23:50] <jrmuizel> mbrubeck: we already did add 16 bit back for performance reasons
# [23:50] <tbsaunde> mbrubeck: no, checking the pref is too slow
# [23:50] <mbrubeck> tbsaunde: I'll just have to get some colored glasses then.
# [23:51] <mfinkle> jrmuizel, we added it back on desktop?
# [23:51] * tbsaunde is just trolling and has no idea what should be done here
# [23:51] <jrmuizel> mbrubeck: mobile devices are also more memory bandwidth constrained than desktop machines and have a much higher pixel density
# [23:51] <jrmuizel> mfinkle: no on mobile
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# [23:52] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/3e01c800e116 - Ryan VanderMeulen - Backed out changeset 2b16cefa20c9 (bug 873888) for bustage.
# [23:52] <RyanVM> jesup: ehugg: I'll wipe my hands clean of that bug now
# [23:52] <mfinkle> jrmuizel, we'll get more info, but it's likely we'll push the changes again
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# [23:53] <mfinkle> as long as panning is not noticeably regressed and the display is noticeably improved
# [23:53] <mfinkle> it's a trade off Product is willing to make
# [23:54] <jrmuizel> mfinkle: I'm just worried that the performance regression is not well understood
# [23:54] <aki> ehsan: beagle is the code name for the all-in-one git repo, the github/mozilla/m-c equivalent
# [23:54] <jrmuizel> mfinkle: especially in comparison to the approach in bug 821450
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# [23:54] <@ehsan> aki: oh I see. now that bug makes a lot more sense :)
# [23:54] <@ehsan> aki: I commented there fwiw, you do want that line
# [23:54] <aki> yeah, I responded :)
# [23:55] <aki> just now
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# [23:55] <@ehsan> heh, you're too fast
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# [23:55] <RyanVM> philor: you know, there's some great irony on dholbert's bustage
# [23:55] <dholbert> philor, boooo
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# [23:56] <RyanVM> dholbert: you have to know you set yourself up for that
# [23:56] <dholbert> RyanVM, yeah yeah
# [23:56] <jrmuizel> mfinkle: do we have any idea where the performance bar would be?
# [23:56] <dholbert> I was hedging against bitrot :)
# [23:56] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/813bcead7cf6 - Ryan VanderMeulen - Backed out changeset a966aadd9ae3 (bug 856822) for Windows bustage on a CLOSED TREE.
# [23:56] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/6df9cf4c25c2 - Ethan Hugg - Bug 873888 - Wait for construction of tracks before returning onAddStream r=jesup a=akeybl
# [23:56] <dholbert> RyanVM, thanks
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# [23:57] <RyanVM> np :)
# [23:57] <mfinkle> jrmuizel, i think we need to calibrate the talos panning tests to what a human can "feel"
# [23:58] <@dolske> mbrubeck: paletted color modes 4 lyfe!!!
# [23:58] <mfinkle> the talos tests tell us if we regress or improve, but given that we are balancing that with a definite visual improvment, we know it will be a comproise
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# [23:58] <RyanVM> philor: I'm going to star the Android R2 failures as fixed by ehsan's backout too
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# [23:59] <@ehsan> RyanVM: oh so there was more test failures?
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# [23:59] <RyanVM> ehsan: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=23547542&tree=Mozilla-Inbound
# [23:59] <RyanVM> was happening pretty frequently
# [23:59] <RyanVM> he annotated it a bit
# [23:59] <@ehsan> huh
# [23:59] <@ehsan> can you please comment on the bug?
# [23:59] <jrmuizel> mfinkle: it's not super easy because with a change like this we're making a bunch of things slower by some multiplier
# [23:59] <RyanVM> yup. planning on it
# [23:59] <@ehsan> in case Chris wants to reland later
# [23:59] <@ehsan> RyanVM: awesome, thanks
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