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# Session Start: Fri May 31 00:00:01 2013
# Session Ident: #developers
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# [00:10] <joe> ahhh everything is broken
# [00:10] <joe> remote: Error accessing https://treestatus.mozilla.org/try?format=json: HTTP Error 403: Forbidden
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# [00:11] * joe file criticalest IT bug
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# [00:12] <philor> I was surprised http://status.mozilla.com/11627/141897/tbpl.mozilla.org didn't have flashing red and blue lights on it
# [00:12] <joe> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=877876
# [00:12] <joe> shift-reloading can make it work sometimes
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# [00:13] <joe> maybe one of the webheads has blown its brains out
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# [00:14] <philor> a reasonable reaction to its unreasonable life
# [00:14] <@bz> mmm
# [00:14] <cpeterson> When I try to hg push to try, I get the following error message. Is this my problem or the try server? I pushed successfully just a few minutes earlier. remote: abort: Operation not permitted: /repo/hg/mozilla/try/.hg/journal.bookmarks abort: unexpected response: empty string"
# [00:15] <@bz> tbpl is not talking to me
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# [00:15] <@bz> "Loading failed: error (php/getRevisionBuilds.php?branch=mozilla-inbound&rev=e7634d727b1a&_=1369952101516)"
# [00:15] <@ehsan> bz: it's still pissed about the bustage
# [00:15] <@bz> I see
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# [00:16] <@ehsan> bz: did you tell it that it was my fault?
# [00:16] <@ehsan> cause it's not talking to me any more
# [00:16] <@bz> ehsan: heh
# [00:16] <@ehsan> bsmedberg_: btw, my calendar disagrees with you
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# [00:16] <@ehsan> bsmedberg_: it thinks that the debrief is tomorrow
# [00:17] <bsmedberg_> it was changed several times
# [00:17] <@ehsan> so how do I know what is the correct date and time?
# [00:17] <joe> stay in a constant state of readiness
# [00:17] <joe> catlike readiness
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# [00:17] <@ehsan> does that include being awake?
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# [00:18] <@ehsan> my calendar's vote is tomorrow at 10:30
# [00:18] <joe> have you ever seen a cat?
# [00:18] <joe> cats are never awake
# [00:18] <@ehsan> yay
# [00:18] <@ehsan> I can definitely do that
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# [00:18] <dholbert> bz, ping
# [00:19] <@bz> ack
# [00:19] <jwir3> sigh... are there more try problems?
# [00:19] <dholbert> bz, so one aspect of that Australis bug that Gijs was asking us about
# [00:19] <@ehsan> jwir3: always
# [00:19] <joe> jwir3: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=877876
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# [00:20] <dholbert> bz, ...turns out to be that "GetOrdinal" on a placeholder frame always returns 1, regardless of what the value is on the OOF frame
# [00:20] <jwir3> joe: would that include: "remote: abort: Operation not permitted: /repo/hg/mozilla/try/.hg/journal.bookmarks
# [00:20] <jwir3> abort: unexpected response: empty string
# [00:20] <jwir3> "
# [00:20] <jwir3> ?
# [00:20] <jwir3> :D
# [00:20] <joe> don't know
# [00:20] <joe> possibly
# [00:20] <joe> "wait till it's fixed and see if it's still broken"
# [00:20] <@bz> dholbert: heh
# [00:20] <dholbert> bz, my question is: is it possible/easy for a placeholder to inherit that property from its out of flow frame?
# [00:20] <philor> bkero: remember how much you used to love the journal.bookmarks permissions things on try?
# [00:20] <jwir3> bah
# [00:21] <dholbert> s/inherit/copy/ or whatever
# [00:21] <bkero> philor: yeah
# [00:21] <philor> bkero: GUESS WHO'S BACK?
# [00:21] <joe> jwir3: does it say anything about treestatus?
# [00:21] <bkero> philor: bleh
# [00:21] <@ehsan> jwir3: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=766810?
# [00:21] <jwir3> joe: I don't think so
# [00:21] <jwir3> joe: er, well, that is, no
# [00:21] <ted> Gijs: i saw that as well and i also have no idea
# [00:21] <philor> iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit's journal.bookmarks!
# [00:21] <dholbert> bz, note that GetOrdinal isn't virtual, so it's only got one implementation, which queries this->StyleXul()->mBoxOrdinal
# [00:22] <@ehsan> jwir3: well it looks like I'm providing the least amount of useful information here, I suggest you pay more attention to bkero and philor
# [00:22] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/b2bf68201b50 - Marco Bonardo - Bug 858377 - Increase time skew to avoid intermittent failure in test_393498.js
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# [00:22] <dholbert> which, for the placeholder frame, is always 1, even if I've set it to something larger on the OOF frame. Do we have any way of transferring properties from the OOF frame to the placeholder frame? (like we do for e.g. nsTableOuterFrame / nsTableFrame)
# [00:23] <joe> jwir3: it's definitely not that
# [00:23] <joe> jwir3: it's https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=766810
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# [00:23] <@ehsan> joe: false
# [00:23] <bkero> philor: fixed
# [00:23] <@ehsan> joe: see backscroll
# [00:23] <dholbert> bz, it looks like the style context for the placeholder & for the OOF frame both have the same parent, so it seems like we can't use a simple "inherit !important" hack like we use for tables
# [00:23] <joe> ehsan: incorrect
# [00:24] <philor> bkero: thx
# [00:24] <philor> jwir3: pushit!
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# [00:25] <joe> woo I got lucky with my hg webhead this time
# [00:25] <@bz> dholbert: so
# [00:25] <@bz> dholbert: There is no reason we couldn't parent the placeholder style to the out-of-flow
# [00:25] <philor> since you always want to get in as quickly as possible after a journal.bookmarks failure, to be the one who will own it if someone will
# [00:26] <@bz> dholbert: we would need to make sure reresolution handled it right...
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# [00:26] <@bz> dholbert: but we already have that table provision for a weird parent
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# [00:26] <@bz> dholbert: so that may be worth trying, perhaps
# [00:26] <dholbert> bz, ok. that seems kind of like a significant change for this edge-casey bug, though
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# [00:26] <dholbert> I was sort of hoping we already had ways of transferring style from the OOF to the placeholder
# [00:26] <dholbert> :)
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# [00:27] <dholbert> but maybe we haven't needed it for anything else
# [00:27] <philor> 403, it's what's new
# [00:27] <dholbert> since placeholders don't really render
# [00:28] <@bz> dholbert: we don't
# [00:28] <@bz> dholbert: indeed
# [00:28] <@bz> dholbert: their styles do not matter other than the display:inline bit
# [00:28] <@bz> dholbert: ok, I have to run
# [00:28] <@bz> dholbert: back later tonight, maybe
# [00:28] <dholbert> bz, ok, thanks!
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# [00:28] <jduell> anybody else having mozilla-central builds fail with "Variable MODULE define in Makefile: should only be defined in moz.build files"?
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# [00:28] <jduell> Don't see anything in bugzilla for it
# [00:29] <jwir3> bkero: thanks for the assist with try again today. ;)
# [00:29] <Sreenidhi> hello, can someone help me out with getting the User Agent tell the gecko version that I m using on my b2g phone? i guess I should have some kinda script to run, as in this: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=821000 , right?
# [00:30] <dholbert> Sreenidhi, http://www.whatsmyuseragent.com/
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# [00:30] <dholbert> or similar sites
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# [00:31] <Sreenidhi> dholbert : i saw this previously, but didn't know how to pull gecko version and stuff… so what do i do? go to this site from my firefox os phone?
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# [00:31] <dholbert> Sreenidhi, exactly, yeah
# [00:31] <dholbert> that will tell you the user agent of the browser that you're using to view the page
# [00:31] <dholbert> Sreenidhi, there may be a better way, but that's a quick and easy way
# [00:32] <Sreenidhi> dholbert : wow, thanks. I didn't know that I had the solution in my hand ! took me like 45 mins… yet the solution is so simple, next to me.
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# [00:32] <Sreenidhi> dholbert.: thank you so so so much
# [00:33] <dholbert> Sreenidhi, :) you're welcome!
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# [00:33] <Sreenidhi> dholbert : :-)
# [00:33] <dholbert> Sreenidhi, if you visit it in your desktop browser shortly after visiting it on the phone, you may be able to see your phone in the "Recent" list, too
# [00:33] <dholbert> so that you can copypaste it, if you need to
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# [00:34] <jwir3> dholbert, now you're just showing off
# [00:34] <jwir3> ;)
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# [00:34] <Sreenidhi> dholbert : sure
# [00:34] <philor> jduell: did you clobber?
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# [00:34] <jduell> philor: yup
# [00:34] <jwir3> heh
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# [00:34] <reuben> "Recent user agents visiting this page: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:2.0b7pre) Gecko/20100921 Firefox/4.0b7pre"
# [00:34] <reuben> :(
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# [00:34] <philor> jduell: and, because I like obvious questions, you don't have a patch in your queue that puts the MODULE in the makefile?
# [00:35] <jduell> philor: nope :) no patches applied
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# [00:36] <philor> .mozconfig? like building DOMi or something?
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# [00:38] <jduell> philor: hmm, now I seem to be getting a different error, about undefined reference to 'NS_Alloc'. I'm going to (mis)take that as progress...
# [00:38] <Sreenidhi> dholbert : i have a question, again
# [00:38] <dholbert> Sreenidhi, I may or may not be able to answer, but hopefully someone can. :)
# [00:39] <ejpbruel> !seen mcmanus
# [00:39] <firebot> mcmanus was last seen 3 weeks, 3 days, 4 hours, 41 minutes and 49 seconds ago, saying 'if you want to play around with the threshold. 250ms is just a feel good number' in #perf.
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# [00:39] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/a9bb036dbfcb - Wes Johnston - Bug 862377 - Show spinners on webrtc doorhangers. r=lucasr
# [00:39] <Sreenidhi> dholbert : sure , but why to rely on third party info like this? how can i verify the accuracy of this info? i can write a script for that as well, right?
# [00:39] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/6aefa02e952e - Wes Johnston - Bug 862377 - Style spinners on doorhangers. r=sriram
# [00:39] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/87e72452cd1a - Wes Johnston - Bug 862377 - Move PromptInputs to their own class. r=sriram
# [00:40] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/306323d8318c - Wes Johnston - Bug 862377 - Allow adding inputs to doorhangers. r=sriram
# [00:40] <dholbert> Sreenidhi, sure
# [00:40] <dholbert> Sreenidhi, it's just quick and easy
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# [00:40] <Sreenidhi> dholbert : hmmm thats true
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# [00:41] <dholbert> Sreenidhi, I'm sure there's some JS code that you could use to verify the accuracy, but I don't know it offhand
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# [00:41] <dholbert> equivalently, you could set up your own web server, and request something off of it from your phone
# [00:41] <dholbert> and see what the UA string is in the request
# [00:41] <Sreenidhi> dholbert : i guess there are some patches. window.navigator object in JS holds UA info, right?
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# [00:41] <ejpbruel> anyone that can review a single line patch in netwerk/base/src/ProxyAutoConfig.cpp ?
# [00:41] <dholbert> Sreenidhi, I have no idea, but that sounds right
# [00:42] <Sreenidhi> dholbert : so what if i open chrome and do inspect element and look for window.navigator?
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# [00:43] <ejpbruel> khuey: how can i obtain a JSString from a nsIAtom?
# [00:43] <dholbert> Sreenidhi, sorry, I can't help there
# [00:43] <Sreenidhi> dholbert : oh...
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# [00:43] <dholbert> Sreenidhi, but I'm sure that others here might be able to, or you could google about detecting UA string
# [00:44] <Sreenidhi> dholbert : sure
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# [00:44] <ejpbruel> dougt: ping
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# [00:44] <firebot> Check-in:
# [00:44] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/6e0cb9757979 - Tim Abraldes - bug 875900. When processing a SecurityChange event, only change the security indicator icon if the event is related to the currently selected tab. r=mbrubeck
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# [00:45] <glandium> bz: http://www.pastebin.mozilla.org/2462990 redirects to air mozilla
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# [00:53] <Sreenidhi> dholbert : wow. I did this in chrome and searched for window.navigator. It returns the same results
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# [00:54] <dholbert> Sreenidhi, I bet it's a bit different
# [00:54] <dholbert> Sreenidhi, though yeah, UA strings all look pretty similar
# [00:54] <dholbert> Sreenidhi, anyway, I can't really talk much more about it, trying to do several things at once. :)
# [00:55] <Sreenidhi> dholbert : i did an inspect element
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# [00:55] <Sreenidhi> and looked for window.navigator object on the console
# [00:55] <dholbert> feel free to keep asking questions, just don't be offended if I stop paying attention :)
# [00:55] <dholbert> (and hopefully someone else will be able to answer)
# [00:55] <Sreenidhi> dholbert : sure
# [00:55] <Sreenidhi> dholbert : so, with the info on that inspect element, may be i can write some script and load it on the phone
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# [00:57] <Sreenidhi> dholbert : that should work, right, essentially...
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# [00:57] <dholbert> (I don't know, but it sounds like it)
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# [00:58] <Sreenidhi> dholbert : thanks, i would rather love to learn stuff like these from you...
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# [00:58] <dholbert> Sreenidhi, O
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# [00:58] <dholbert> I'm not actually a web developer; I code mostly in C++
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# [00:59] <Sreenidhi> dholbert : oh… okay, anything is fine and fun to learn
# [00:59] <dholbert> so I know some of this stuff regarding UA strings, but not well
# [00:59] <Sreenidhi> dholbert : do u know any dev that knows much about these?
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# [00:59] <dholbert> Sreenidhi, you might try #introduction, and just ask questions in general there
# [01:00] <Sreenidhi> dholbert : oh okay…. thanks for ur time and all the help...
# [01:00] <dholbert> sure! good luck
# [01:00] <dholbert> Sreenidhi, if you have specific questions, people there can hopefully answer you or point you at the someone who'll know the answer
# [01:01] <Sreenidhi> dholbert: sure, thanks …. :-)
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# [01:05] <ejpbruel> khuey: ping
# [01:06] <ejpbruel> or perhaps hsivonen_?
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# [01:16] <@khuey|tw> ejpbruel: pong
# [01:16] <ejpbruel> khuey: whats the proper way to obtain a JSString * from a nsIAtom? best i could do so far is get the UTF16 chars from the nsIAtom and create JSString using JS_NewUCStringCopyZ
# [01:19] <philor> GAH
# [01:19] <ejpbruel> gah?
# [01:19] <philor> the post-hg push burned bz's test on debug Mac, but hey, clobber like we always clobber, next build is fine
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# [01:20] <@khuey|tw> ejpbruel: why do you need a JSString*?
# [01:21] <ejpbruel> khuey: to pass as a compile option to JSAPI
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# [01:21] <ejpbruel> khuey: implementing Debugger.Source.prototype.elementProperty, which gives you the name of the event handler for which a script was created, if any
# [01:21] <@khuey|tw> ejpbruel: that might be the best you can do then
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# [01:22] <ejpbruel> khuey: ok, thats fine then :)
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# [01:22] <@khuey|tw> ejpbruel: though it seems weird that JSAPI would take a JSString* and not a jschar* or something
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# [01:23] <ejpbruel> khuey: hmmm, good point. i made that part of the API actually, I should double check if thats a good idea.
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# [01:24] <@khuey|tw> ejpbruel: yeah, taking a GC'd string for an option passed from the embedding (and not from script) seems wrong
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# [01:25] <ejpbruel> although, hmmm
# [01:26] <ejpbruel> khuey: the reason i did that is that we also need the option to pass a JSObject *
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# [01:26] <ejpbruel> khuey: i guess thats different
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# [01:27] <jwalden> ejpbruel, khuey|tw: using JSString* in APIs makes for clearer ownership behavior, IMO, and avoids the need to copy into new strings when the engine needs the chars as a string
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# [01:28] <ejpbruel> jwalden: yeah, now that I think about it, passing raw chars would be less nice for this particular API call
# [01:28] <@khuey|tw> yeah it just makes the embedding do the copy instead ...
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# [01:29] <ejpbruel> khuey: well, almost, we also use the CompileOption struct internally
# [01:29] <ejpbruel> khuey: having it take a JSString * allows us to avoid making needless copies
# [01:29] <jwalden> if there's a copy at all, which there may not be
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# [01:32] <firebot> browser/toolkit bits
# [01:32] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/27a0f1913914 - Jeff Walden - #include minimization, MOZ_STACK_CLASS application, and other minor jsonparser.h cleanups. No bug, r=lumpy
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# [01:33] <dzbarsky> is there a reason pastebin redirect to air mozilla?
# [01:33] <jhammel> :shrug: because videos are more funner than text?
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# [01:44] <NeilAway> ejpbruel: you may be able to use JS_NewExternalString
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# [01:47] <NeilAway> jwalden: strlen("9007199254740992") ??
# [01:49] <jwalden> NeilAway: sure, why not? it is inconceivable (yeah, yeah :-) ) that compilers we care about won't inline a constant
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# [01:51] <jwalden> if that could be demonstrated it's certainly an easy fix, but that seems the clearest way to put it
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# [02:10] <froydnj> yeah, that's pretty typical
# [02:10] <Mook_as> WeirdAl: I don't think they're currently iterable
# [02:11] <WeirdAl> right, just remembered weak maps aren't supposed to be... gotta switch to a strong map then
# [02:11] <WeirdAl> and using Map, for...in doesn't work but according to many test files for...of does
# [02:12] <WeirdAl> never used for...of before :)
# [02:12] <jwalden> for-in iterates over properties
# [02:13] <jwalden> Map can have properties
# [02:13] <jwalden> its mappings are not properties
# [02:13] <WeirdAl> mappings?
# [02:14] <jwalden> key-value pairs
# [02:14] <WeirdAl> ah
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# [03:01] <jgilbert> philor, ping
# [03:01] <RyanVM|afk> ehsan: I was going to wait on bringing m-c over to inbound until I'd merged birch over, but oh well
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# [03:03] <philor> jgilbert: pong
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# [03:04] <philor> surkov: fallout from releng changes on Saturday and, um, yesterday, thanks for spotting it!
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# [03:04] <surkov> philor: ok
# [03:04] <philor> RyanVM: beware mochitest-other, only failures in the last chunk are counting, so mochitest-chrome is green even if tests fail
# [03:04] <jgilbert> philor, is there a way to reduce the buildbot timeout to less than 2400 for 'no output detected' timeouts?
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# [03:05] <RyanVM> philor: what's the story with all the other failrues on inbound?
# [03:05] <philor> RyanVM: and I just clobbered everything on inbound, since bz's thing came back, and ehsan's having the same thing, I'm hoping maybe it's because of the repo bustage instead of being that the build system is completely broken
# [03:05] <RyanVM> philor: I did clobber m-c before merging
# [03:05] <RyanVM> i do that almost as a point of hygiene at this point
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# [03:08] <philor> RyanVM: yeah, I know, but I held off quite a while since what turned out to be my first backout last night though I thought it was my fifth or my sixth backout was fixing bustage which only occurs in dep builds
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# [03:09] <philor> from the middle of the day, and it failed once, and so out of pure habit we said "I know, let's clobber!" and put off any more failures until 11pm
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# [03:14] <philor> jgilbert: only if you are buildbot, that's the timeout passed to any buildbot step, like http://mxr.mozilla.org/build/source/buildbotcustom/process/factory.py#5407
# [03:14] <philor> (passed, or inherited mostly)
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# [03:22] <RyanVM> well, Callek may want to see it
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# [03:39] <sheeri> oh look, developers.
# [03:39] <sheeri> https://launchpad.net/mysql-replicant-python
# [03:39] <sheeri> I'm just going to put that right there.
# [03:39] <sheeri> for any python folks.
# [03:39] <sheeri> who use mysql.
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# [03:54] <tbsaunde> froydnj: I just tried hitting the js register stuff with the constexpr hammer and got rid of 60 static initializers :)
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# [03:55] <jwalden> tbsaunde: only 60? unacceptable
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# [03:56] <tbsaunde> jwalden: do you have suggestions on how to have constexpr js::Value initialization?
# [03:57] <tbsaunde> I assume tehre is a reason we can't have Value(int32_t) and such?
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# [03:57] <jwalden> tbsaunde: I think you need constexpr union constructors for that, which C++11 has, but I don't know about compiler support...I think
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# [03:59] <tbsaunde> jwalden: isn't Value just a wrapper around a double? so why can't I just set it to some bitbanging on the passed in int?
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# [03:59] <jwalden> tbsaunde: Value is a wrapper around jsval_layout, which is a union
# [03:59] <@khuey|tw> the tree is always closed
# [03:59] <jwalden> "How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Tree Closures"
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# [04:01] <tbsaunde> jwalden: ah
# [04:01] <JosiahOne> Can I just say that I find this 80 character limit rather... Limiting.
# [04:02] <tbsaunde> jwalden: sounds like this'll kind of suck then :/
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# [04:02] <jwalden> tbsaunde: also worth noting that I *think* floating point types might not be constexpr-able, because floating point behavior is unspecified (although typically IEEE754, and we require IEEE754 semantics for correctness)
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# [04:05] <jwalden> okay, I have no idea why those X went orange on my test, when they're green since, and the tests that failed were relevant to my changes' interests
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# [04:06] <tbsaunde> jwalden: I'm hitting the register set stuff with the constexpr hammer first since that's easier :-)
# [04:07] <jwalden> word
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# [04:11] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/e0f39113f42b - Ryan VanderMeulen - Backed out 5 changesets (bug 872388) for Android 2.2 bustage on a CLOSED TREE.
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# [04:12] <RyanVM> philor: ^ have fun starring that
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# [04:16] <ejpbruel> is try busted again
# [04:16] <ejpbruel> ?
# [04:16] <ejpbruel> looks like it
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# [04:19] <RyanVM> bz: did you just manage to push to inbound?
# [04:19] * @khuey|tw wants to push to inbound
# [04:20] <RyanVM> if bz did, he got through the closure hook
# [04:20] * @khuey|tw does't see any push on tbpl
# [04:21] <RyanVM> looks like it was an older push
# [04:21] <RyanVM> *whew*
# [04:21] <RyanVM> khuey|tw: you missed our fun earlier today
# [04:21] <@khuey|tw> yeah I was sleeping
# [04:21] <RyanVM> a botched update caused all kind of problems
# [04:22] <RyanVM> we had to reset inbound and try
# [04:22] <@khuey|tw> lol
# [04:22] <RyanVM> pushes were lost
# [04:22] <RyanVM> good times
# [04:22] <@khuey|tw> awesome
# [04:22] <RyanVM> so yeah, I was a bit worried for a sec there :P
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# [04:23] <RyanVM> khuey|tw: when releng finishes the reconfig, I'm going to have to wait on android tests from tip to go green before we can reopen
# [04:24] <Callek> RyanVM: this sure seems like the week for all sorts of problems doesn't it
# [04:24] * @khuey|tw should just wait until he gets back to CA to push
# [04:24] <Callek> makes me *really* worried about saturdays major hg upgrade, just in terms of coincidence
# [04:25] <Callek> ooooor maybe this is just the kharma leveling itself out before all the good saturday will bring
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# [04:26] <RyanVM> mmmm, and sstangl has bustage too
# [04:28] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/278c0a105f8d - Ryan VanderMeulen - Backed out changeset b920312f99e3 (bug 877021) due to xpcshell bustage.
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# [04:29] <RyanVM> whoops, that was the wrong one to backout
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# [04:30] <RyanVM> this is jwalden's bustage
# [04:30] <jwalden> dur?
# [04:30] <RyanVM> yeah
# [04:30] <RyanVM> your json push
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# [04:30] <jwalden> RyanVM: where? what's the symptom?
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# [04:30] <@khuey|tw> off with his head!
# [04:30] <RyanVM> xpcshell failures
# [04:30] <aja> Evade! Evade!
# [04:30] <RyanVM> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Mozilla-Inbound&rev=27a0f1913914
# [04:30] <jwalden> RyanVM: why aren't subsequent Xs orange?
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# [04:31] <RyanVM> a very interesting question
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# [04:31] <RyanVM> even more needs-clobber bs maybe?
# [04:32] <jwalden> ...maybe? I removed some methods from nsIJSON, so possibly an xpt or something needs clobbering?
# [04:32] <jwalden> but I thought that wasn't an un-kosher thing
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# [04:32] <@khuey|tw> did you change the UUID?
# [04:32] <jwalden> khuey|tw: yes
# [04:32] <@khuey|tw> that should work then
# [04:32] <jwalden> yeah
# [04:32] <@khuey|tw> or at least it used to
# [04:32] <RyanVM> we've had other needs-clobber fallout from today's earlier festivities
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# [04:32] <RyanVM> inbound's been clobbered since, but it was relatively recent
# [04:32] <RyanVM> if the top pushes are clean, I say let it go
# [04:33] * jwalden <-- smooth as buttah
# [04:33] <jwalden> https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/aefb412ae7f3 clearly has the uuid() change
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# [04:38] <markh> bug 877946 is an about:memory crash as the VideoQueueMemoryInUse() reporter seems is expecting to find something with format PLANAR_YCBCR when it's really D3D9_RGB32_TEXTURE - I've marked it as an about:memory bug, but it seems possible the correct component should be graphics - just incase any graphicsy people are here and might care :)
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# [04:42] <@khuey|tw> I moved it
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# [04:43] <markh> thx
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# [04:56] <@roc> retweet this: http://tw.page.mall.yahoo.com/item/p097529234223
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# [04:57] <Callek> roc: doesn't "Firefox Online" linking to http://tw.mall.yahoo.com/store/firefox?hpp=store_brand give a trademark violation as it is?
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# [04:58] <@roc> why would it be a trademark violation, given its our store?
# [04:58] <@roc> bz: The "I am a NERD" line is clear enough!
# [04:58] <Callek> ooo its our wtore?
# [04:58] <@bz> roc: heh
# [04:58] <Callek> on mall.yahoo.com?
# [04:58] <Callek> s/wtore/store/
# [04:58] <@khuey|tw> bz: run it through google translate for some laughs
# [04:58] <Callek> yea thats totall confusing
# [04:59] <@roc> yeah
# [04:59] <@khuey|tw> "Firefox Online Firefox Mozilla Taiwan Mall is the only official online store. Firefox will launch a quarterly surrounding Yiping cool, do not forget to recommend to Fox lost friends yo!"
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# [05:02] <@bz> The futures spec is well-nigh incomprehensible
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# [05:03] <@roc> blame Anne
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# [05:05] <ejpbruel> bz: so its not just me thinking that? i assumed i was just dumb
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# [05:08] <@bz> no
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# [05:27] <bsmedberg_> Is "REFTEST TEST-UNEXPECTED-FAIL | WARNING: USE_WIDGET_LAYERS disabled" bad? (mac)
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# [05:32] <mattwoodrow> bsmedberg_: Locally?
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# [05:33] <bsmedberg_> mattwoodrow: yes
# [05:34] <philor> is the fact that we can no longer do dep builds bad?
# [05:35] <mattwoodrow> bsmedberg_: It means that your screen isn't big enough to fit the reftest window, and we've fallen back to drawing the reftests using an offscreen surface (which will be software, not opengl)
# [05:35] <bsmedberg_> huh, ok
# [05:36] <philor> and is the fact that we've almost certainly merged that inability to m-c, because we think that the clobberer should be our first instinctive move, bad?
# [05:37] <bsmedberg_> philor: no dep builds!?
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# [05:38] <philor> bsmedberg_: dep builds that fail tests which clobbered builds do not, and in some cases fail making it clear that they packaged up the test a push added, but did not recompile the things the push changed
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# [05:38] <bsmedberg_> that seems plenty weird
# [05:38] <philor> the clearest example I have is https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/fe6ca42a5b6e#l1.13
# [05:39] <bsmedberg_> failure on removal of things is an unfortunate necessity in our current build system
# [05:39] <bsmedberg_> but failure on adding of things is not!
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# [05:39] <philor> two pushes later, repeatedly on every Mac debug platform, so because of the build, https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=23613860&tree=Mozilla-Inbound
# [05:39] <philor> which looks to be new test, old code
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# [05:39] <@gavin> bug!
# [05:40] <@dolske> slug bug orange!
# [05:40] <philor> there's also the xpcshell tests for which RyanVM backed something out, tip of inbound
# [05:40] <philor> note how they don't actually manage to occur up to the backout
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# [05:40] <philor> just on a random assortment of builds
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# [05:42] <philor> Callek: what did you decide about shared repos getting clobbered? is it a possibility that we have totally screwy shared inbound repos which think they got the same pushes twice after this morning's restore?
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# [05:43] <Callek> ummmmm, I don't remember --- hwine ?
# [05:43] <Callek> philor: did you see any signs of problems around this
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# [05:44] <philor> Callek: dep builds don't actually build correctly, clobbers maybe seem to, but it's hard to say if they really did
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# [05:45] <hwine> Callek: philor I don't know any details of today restore. Based on yesterday's we suspected no local adjustment was needed. However, that was a different server side situation aiui
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# [05:46] <philor> wonder how far and wide RyanVM merged this bustage if it's in-tree bustage
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# [05:50] <@khuey|tw> revert all the trees
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# [05:50] <tbsaunde> khuey|tw: but that might be what got us here
# [05:51] <bsmedberg_> hg up -C <yesterday>
# [05:51] <bsmedberg_> hg commit
# [05:51] <bsmedberg_> hg push
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# [05:51] <Callek> s/up/revert -a
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# [05:52] <philor> one of the possibilities is that it's from yesterday
# [05:53] <philor> one of my backouts at fucking midnight last night was over some check test that made universal builds fail in postflight, incomprehensibly, only in dep builds
# [05:53] <jesup> bz: re Futures - thread promoting use of Futures in WebRTC/etc - http://www.w3.org/mid/CADnb78j6xPXX81v=jAP9z7BsK=YZRmGkMDc-eiHUpdCzF6WV8w@mail.gmail.com
# [05:53] <jesup> from anne
# [05:54] <philor> that seemed like it was the fault of the patch, but it's every bit as possible that it was because we weren't rebuilding something we should have rebuilt
# [05:54] <@dolske> khuey|tw: initiating emergency rollback plan delta, please update your cvs tree immediately!
# [05:54] <philor> so, say I revert to yesterday at 8am
# [05:54] <philor> how do I tell whether or not that revert worked?
# [05:55] <Callek> dolske: you'll regress Ts too much
# [05:55] <Callek> dolske: also I hope you remember how to sheriff (daily dev sheriffs) with tinderbox!
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# [05:56] <philor> say I quit my job and spend all of the next two weeks relanding everything I reverted, how do I tell, as I reland each one, whether it was the thing at fault?
# [05:56] <@dolske> sheriff? with cvs? lol.
# [05:56] <Callek> philor: quitting being a sheriff how much sacrificial lambs will it take to coerce you not to?!
# [05:56] <bsmedberg_> we had sheriffs with cvs
# [05:57] <bsmedberg_> it involved closing the tree every night ;-)
# [05:57] <jesup> bz: not that it's all that earth-shattering, other than invalidating every existing use of GetUserMedia and PeerConnections.... (we could keep backwards compat with some work, or implement as current (callbacks) with Futures to be added in the future, and then deprecate the callbacks)
# [05:57] <@khuey|tw> dolske: :-D
# [05:57] <@khuey|tw> philor: clearly anything that landed in the regression range should just never be relanded, ever
# [05:57] <@dolske> bsmedberg_: but hey, no push races?
# [05:58] <bsmedberg_> you even got partial-checkout build bustage, it was awesome
# [05:59] * @dolske imagines mother sheriff tucking the tree in at night. "Some day you'll grow up to be a big, strong, reliable DVCS!" As is turned out, mother was disappointed.
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# [06:01] <bsmedberg_> at that point mother sheriff didn't know about DVCS and the aspiration was "maybe someday you'll be internally consistent"
# [06:01] <@bz> jesup: sure, anne and tab have been pushing futures everywhere
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# [06:03] <bsmedberg_> "Don't aim too high, dear; we can't all grow up to be clearcase."
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# [06:06] <jesup> bz: hta had some issues with assertions anne was making about the level of completion of the Futures spec (especially as when he asserted it the spec had major mods in the last week, IIRC). However, we're considering the proposal. I suspect we'll go with the current callbacks for now, which should be pretty easily converted to Futures. We'll see, though
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# [06:12] <philor> eh, close every tree and link it from the closure message, people will find their way to it
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# [06:16] <Callek> I have to stop being right when I'm being cynical
# [06:17] <Callek> I recall saying yesterday that it could be worse and the dep build issue may not have been those backed out mac patches
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# [06:34] <philor> and here's a fun question: is Waldo's xpcshell bustage because those builds didn't rebuild, or is the bustage on the ones that did rebuild?
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# [06:39] <@bz> anyone here understand futures?
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# [06:42] <@roc> what do you want to know?
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# [06:45] <nrc> massive amounts of gtest fail on Windows builds - is this a known issue?
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# [06:50] * @dolske peers into his crystal ball and sees a post from roc explaining those MD5s. ;-)
# [06:51] <@dolske> speaking of the future... https://twitter.com/dolske/status/340327572292374528
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# [06:58] <@dolske> /msg roc wow, 7 years ago. are you ready now to talk about the influence of space aliens on W3C processes?
# [06:58] <@dolske> uhoh
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# [06:59] * @dolske checks math. 6 years. But who's counting?
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# [07:08] <@bz> roc: hmm
# [07:08] <@bz> roc: I think I mostly figured things out at this point
# [07:09] <@bz> roc: Still not clear on what behavior this spec wants in edge cases...
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# [07:51] <jwalden> philor: in this country I have a fifth amendment right not to incriminate myself, btw
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# [07:55] <philor> yup. it's the former, anyway
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# [07:57] <jwalden> I am shocked, shocked I say, to find build system bustage in this project!
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# [08:00] <Callek> jwalden: your sarcasm meter is overheating
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# [08:01] <Callek> jwalden: sorry but you have always had a much lower output on sarcasm than others... so when YOU go that sarcastic yea its overheating :-)
# [08:01] <@bz_sleep> hey, at least the pymake/webidl stuff is saner now
# [08:01] <jwalden> ...you really haven't been paying attention, have you? :-)
# [08:02] <Callek> its still less than philor's lowest sarcasm setting
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# [08:02] <jwalden> oh, certainly
# [08:02] <jwalden> I only snark part-time, tho, philor is on the job far more than I am
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# [08:23] <@bz_sleep> jwalden: That's because you don't sheriff
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# [08:23] <jwalden> yes, thank God
# [08:24] <jwalden> yeoman's work
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# [08:25] <Jesse> "during my compiling party, the compiler was invoked with a command line in excess of 14 KB a few hundred times" http://blog.regehr.org/archives/955
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# [08:39] <Ms2ger> Bonjour
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# [08:50] <Ms2ger> khuey|tw, I don't know; is there no way to get an IDBKeyRange back?
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# [08:56] <@khuey|tw> Ms2ger: not that I know of
# [08:57] <@khuey|tw> Ms2ger: that's what the [Creator] bit on the IDL means, no?
# [08:57] <Ms2ger> Well, that means that those silly static functions always return a new object
# [08:58] <@khuey|tw> right
# [08:58] <@khuey|tw> and those are the only things returning an IDBKeyRange, right?
# [08:58] <Ms2ger> If so, I'm all set
# [08:58] <@khuey|tw> I'm 99% sure it is
# [08:59] <Ms2ger> Except I don't know if that helps with the "define IDBKeyRange on some random object" bit
# [08:59] <@khuey|tw> I don't know what this bit is
# [08:59] <@khuey|tw> you mean the static stuff?
# [08:59] * @khuey|tw doesn't see why it should matter if the static methods are defined on some random object
# [08:59] <Ms2ger> IndexedDatabaseManager::InitWindowless
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# [09:04] <Ms2ger> khuey|tw, and I'm sorry my sleep inconvenienced you :)
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# [09:05] <glazou> bonjour
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# [09:08] <@khuey|tw> Ms2ger: as you should be
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# [09:09] <glazou> so the paris offices are just... well.. a parisian palace
# [09:09] <glazou> unbelievable
# [09:09] <Ms2ger> I saw pictures
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# [09:11] <@khuey|tw> Ms2ger: can you start monday?
# [09:11] <Ms2ger> Nah, I've got an exam on Tuesday
# [09:12] <glazou> lol
# [09:12] <@khuey|tw> you folks have trains, yes?
# [09:12] <glazou> and quite fast ones
# [09:12] <glazou> brussels is only 75 mins away
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# [09:12] <@khuey|tw> yeah I've done the trip to brussels on the TGV before
# [09:13] * @khuey|tw doesn't see a problem here
# [09:13] <Ms2ger> I also haven't started studying
# [09:13] <glazou> YAY ! score: glazou 1 bgCommandHandler.js 0
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# [09:14] <@khuey|tw> Ms2ger: you'll need more than the 75 minutes on the train?
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# [09:16] <Ms2ger> Probably
# [09:17] <Ms2ger> On another note
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# [09:17] <Ms2ger> Good: http://caminobrowser.org/blog/2013/#caminoend
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# [09:23] <heycam> every time I copy the mochitest template that most tests seem to use, I feel bad. how much if it is really needed?
# [09:25] <Ms2ger> Not much
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# [09:25] <Ms2ger> Any reason you're not using testharness.js?
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# [09:28] <heycam> Ms2ger, in this case I'm testing that certain frame tree construction happens
# [09:28] <heycam> Ms2ger, not sure if it's an interesting test for the SVG test suite itself
# [09:29] <heycam> Ms2ger, but you make a good point, I maybe should prefer to write upstreamable testharness.js-based tests
# [09:29] <Ms2ger> Perhaps :)
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# [09:35] <glandium> Ms2ger: you'd have to give your name if you're hired (not that you didn't have to give it for commit access anyways)
# [09:35] <glandium> glazou: got it working?
# [09:37] <glazou> glandium: yes, finally
# [09:37] <stuart> who do i need to bribe to implement <picture>?
# [09:37] <Callek> glandium: he already gave it for both commit access and summit
# [09:37] <glazou> hey stuart
# [09:37] <Ms2ger> stuart, you'd need to get it in the spec first
# [09:38] <stuart> meh
# [09:38] <Callek> glandium: he just doesn't share it with most people
# [09:38] <stuart> just implement ;p
# [09:38] <glandium> Callek: for the summit, too?
# [09:38] <glazou> stuart: join back and implement it ? :-D
# [09:38] <stuart> haha
# [09:38] <stuart> i wrote my own in js
# [09:38] <glob> glandium, are you moving to .. japan?
# [09:38] <Callek> glandium: well the travel/hotel arrangements need it
# [09:38] <Ms2ger> glazou, that's assuming we'd take the patch
# [09:38] <glandium> Callek: ah, makes sense
# [09:38] <glazou> stuart can use impressive arguments
# [09:38] <glandium> glob: indeed i am
# [09:38] <stuart> what i want more than <picture> is browser side image lazy loading
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# [09:38] <stuart> i'd just land it
# [09:38] <stuart> if there was a patch
# [09:39] <stuart> someone can yell at me later
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# [09:39] <Ms2ger> I'd back it out in a heartbeat :)
# [09:39] <glob> glandium, sweet :)
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# [09:39] <stuart> i should reclaim imagelib ownership ;p
# [09:40] <Ms2ger> stuart, the idea has been discussed, the outcome was img srcset. If you can get someone to implement that, there's a good chance we'd take it
# [09:40] <stuart> srcset is fine too
# [09:41] <Ms2ger> Patches welcome :)
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# [09:41] <stuart> i wrote enough of those over the last 15 years
# [09:41] <stuart> now im trying to actually use the web for things ;p
# [09:42] <Ms2ger> Surely you learned how we work over those years ;)
# [09:42] <stuart> back when i started we just landed things ;p
# [09:43] <stuart> no review!
# [09:43] <Ms2ger> Pah, get off my lawn :)
# [09:43] <stuart> ah the 90s
# [09:43] <glazou> glandium: I just can't believe RATP is on strike precisely the day I need the RER to go to CDG for my Japan trip...
# [09:43] <Ms2ger> Though to be fair, that's how b2g works now
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# [09:44] <Callek> stuart: I didn't know you were old enough for the no-review period
# [09:44] <Ms2ger> glazou, wasn't me, I promise
# [09:44] <stuart> i started work on mozilla in 1998
# [09:44] <stuart> a few years ago
# [09:45] * glazou thinks Callek should google for "code rush"
# [09:45] * Ms2ger was fresh out of kindergarten then
# [09:45] <stuart> get off my lawn ;p
# [09:45] <glazou> stuart was not that older :-D
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# [09:46] * Ms2ger saw that
# [09:46] <Callek> glazou: Yea, I know all about that -- just forgot stuart was in that party
# [09:46] <Ms2ger> Though I didn't unify stuart and the pavlov in there
# [09:46] <Callek> I knew stuart was around a long time but thought he came after that
# [09:46] <Ms2ger> You kids with your nicknames
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# [09:47] <Callek> also philor, never leave us --- this would be in just 1 day these days: http://i.qkme.me/3qagzi.jpg
# [09:47] <Callek> :-)
# [09:47] <@khuey|tw> glazou++
# [09:48] <@khuey|tw> glandium: Ms2ger is in the summit documents so far as "Ms2ger"
# [09:48] <glandium> people changing their irc nick are so confusing... where has luser gone?
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# [09:48] <Callek> glandium: I remember luser, but apparantly he didn't like being called a luser in real life so he changed it
# [09:49] <Ms2ger> khuey|tw, I'd hardly get someone to approve my attendance if they had my real name
# [09:49] <Callek> because no-one pronounced it L-user they always pronounced it like Loser
# [09:49] * glazou remembers people at nscp thought glazou was my name and glazman my nickname
# [09:49] <Ms2ger> Callek, isn't that how it's meant to be pronounced?
# [09:49] <Callek> Ms2ger: :ted would know
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# [09:50] <Callek> Ms2ger: speaking of pronouncing, how the hell would I pronounce your nick
# [09:50] <Ms2ger> However you like
# [09:50] <Callek> or should I try to sneak into marcia's office next time I'm in mtv and learn your real name
# [09:50] <Ms2ger> Usually "you there"
# [09:51] <Callek> haha
# [09:51] <Callek> so if I come in IRC and say "you there: ping" will it ping you?
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# [09:51] <Ms2ger> You can always try
# [09:51] <glandium> you there: ping
# [09:52] <glazou> I thought strikes in france were unpredictable ; in fact they are predictable since they only happen when I travel
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# [09:52] <glazou> I should make my schedule public
# [09:52] <ejpbruel> khuey: can you r? a one liner in indexeddb?
# [09:52] <glandium> glazou: you made it public
# [09:52] <Ms2ger> Though we were talking about pronunciation, not IRC
# [09:52] <glazou> glandium: you're saying the trade unions read my blog ? ;-)
# [09:52] <Callek> ejpbruel: anyone can r? a one liner in indexeddb, the hard part is someone who can r+ it
# [09:52] <glandium> glazou: maybe
# [09:53] <Callek> because even out of the people who can, no-one actually /wants/ to
# [09:53] <glazou> I want to kill hiddenWindow.xul and have something actually usable instead
# [09:53] <ejpbruel> Callek: got something more constructive? :P
# [09:53] <Ms2ger> ejpbruel, yes, khuey|tw
# [09:54] <Callek> ejpbruel: I can construct a handy webapp that tells you when *I* can r+ an indexeddb patch if you want ;-)
# [09:54] <ejpbruel> Callek: go for it
# [09:54] * Callek is being rude in a joking way --- sorry
# [09:54] <Ms2ger> data:text/html,NO
# [09:54] <ejpbruel> Callek: i really want this r+ tomorrow because its blocking me from landing Debugger.Source stuff
# [09:54] <Callek> Ms2ger: <h1>NO</h1>
# [09:54] * ejpbruel can take it
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# [09:54] <Ms2ger> Heh
# [09:54] <glazou> lol
# [09:55] <Ms2ger> ejpbruel, then get a sufficient sacrifice of French cheese and ask khuey|tw nicely
# [09:55] * ejpbruel likes to dish it too
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# [09:55] <ejpbruel> Ms2ger: ok, now you're just being a jerk :P
# [09:55] <stuart> http://web.archive.org/web/20000823032943/http://www.mozillazine.org/screenshots/image/linux07.gif
# [09:55] <stuart> heh
# [09:56] <Ms2ger> ejpbruel, now? :)
# [09:56] <ejpbruel> Ms2ger: good point
# [09:56] * Ms2ger wonders what connectivity will be like at the summit
# [09:57] <glazou> since it's in brussels, peer-to-peer is out of question, it will be a beer-to-beer network
# [09:57] <stuart> glazou: these guys don't even understand "works in viewer"
# [09:57] <glazou> stuart: eheh
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# [09:57] <Ms2ger> Well played
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# [09:58] <glob> Ms2ger, so you'll be in brussels?
# [09:58] <Ms2ger> Most likely
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# [09:59] <glazou> we need a belgian cop to control his ID
# [09:59] <glazou> and let us know
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# [10:00] <@khuey|tw> Ms2ger: bz was pretending to be you a few hours ago
# [10:00] <Ms2ger> I'm aware
# [10:00] <@khuey|tw> glob: that's what it says on our spreadsheet
# [10:00] <@khuey|tw> glob: there's a big list in mardi's email
# [10:00] <@khuey|tw> iirc
# [10:01] <glob> khuey|tw, oh yeah; looking
# [10:01] <Ms2ger> Hmm, khuey|tw has access to that?
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# [10:01] <ejpbruel> khuey: hey kyle. could you review a one-liner in indexeddb for me?
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# [10:08] <ejpbruel> guess not :(
# [10:08] <glob> i wish that spreadsheet had irc nicks :|
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# [10:42] <ejpbruel> khuey: awesome! i can put it up now if you have time. or tomorrow otherwise :)
# [10:42] <@khuey|tw> ejpbruel: well if you do it now I can review it before I get on a plane
# [10:42] <@khuey|tw> ejpbruel: otherwise I'm flying for 12 hours and then it's the weekend
# [10:43] <@khuey|tw> ejpbruel: so choose accordingly ;-)
# [10:43] <ejpbruel> khuey: gotcha, gimme a few minuts
# [10:43] <@khuey|tw> my flight is not for several hours so you still have some time
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# [10:43] <Callek> khuey|tw: can you review my patches too?
# [10:44] <@khuey|tw> Callek: are they in dom/indexeddb?
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# [10:44] <Callek> I only have a rm -rf of dom/indexeddb/tests what can go wrong
# [10:44] <@khuey|tw> yes, I can review that
# [10:44] <@khuey|tw> R-
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# [10:47] <Callek> heh just looking at that file I was like "ugh oh who added a test condition and chose not to test seamonkey with it" then I look at the blame and I see "Callek added that -- why is callek so bad, I should yell at him" :-) http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/5b81ab0ba5ee
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# [10:47] <@khuey|tw> that Callek guy is a real jerk
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# [10:48] <Callek> I hope he comes to the summit so I can yell at him face to face
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# [10:48] <Callek> I mean, SeaMonkey-Callek is not an employee after all
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# [10:49] <glazou> brb
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# [10:52] <ejpbruel> khuey: patch is in your queue. thanks again
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# [10:56] <ejpbruel> khuey: oh just in case: can you also review a similar patch in netwerk/base/src/ProxyAutoConfig.cpp? or is that outside your territory?
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# [11:04] <@khuey|tw> ejpbruel: that depends on what the patch does
# [11:04] <@khuey|tw> let me look at the IDB one
# [11:04] <ejpbruel> khuey: exactly the same as the IDB one, for the same reason
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# [11:05] <@khuey|tw> ejpbruel: where did the 128 KB number come from?
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# [11:07] <ejpbruel> khuey: its what xpconnect uses when it sets a stack quotum, which is the best we can do here
# [11:07] <Gijs> NeilAway: do I need someone else to review bug 877669 once the comment is fixed? :)
# [11:08] <ejpbruel> khuey: i should qualify that. its what xpconnect uses by default
# [11:08] <ejpbruel> khuey: fwiw, I've ran this patch on try, all green
# [11:08] <@khuey|tw> ejpbruel: so it's basically what's being used already?
# [11:08] <@khuey|tw> except now we're setting it explicitly?
# [11:09] <ejpbruel> khuey: well no, xpconnect is one place where we create a jsruntime, and it sets a stack quotum
# [11:09] <ejpbruel> khuey: we don't currently do that everywhere we create a jsruntime though
# [11:09] <ejpbruel> khuey: and we kind of need to
# [11:09] <@khuey|tw> I see
# [11:09] <@khuey|tw> ejpbruel: I suppose I can sign off on the PAC one too
# [11:10] <ejpbruel> khuey: that would be awesome
# [11:10] <NeilAway> Gijs: no, it was just an inconvenient time for a full review
# [11:10] <ejpbruel> khuey: let me put it up
# [11:10] <Gijs> NeilAway: no worries. The try run is green apart from random orange, AFAICT, and I'll fix the comment in a bit. :)
# [11:10] <NeilAway> Gijs: also, how do you suggest http://mxr.mozilla.org/comm-central/source/suite/common/history/history.xul#115 gets updated to work with your patch?
# [11:12] <Gijs> oncontextmenu="event.preventDefault(); event.stopPropagation();"
# [11:12] <Gijs> NeilAway: ^^ ?
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# [11:15] * Gijs checks to see if there's other cases like this.
# [11:16] <Gijs> hrm, browser appmenu and the toolkit help component.
# [11:16] <Gijs> sigh.
# [11:17] <Gijs> NeilAway: alternatively, we can make the code differentiate between a non-existing attribute and an empty one...
# [11:17] * Gijs is not a massive fan.
# [11:18] <ejpbruel> khuey: thanks a ton. that really helps me out!
# [11:18] <NeilAway> Gijs: ok I guess
# [11:18] <ejpbruel> khuey: you have a good flight back home, and a nice weekend! :)
# [11:18] <Gijs> NeilAway: which? :)
# [11:19] <NeilAway> Gijs: sorry, trying to watch several windows at once
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# [11:21] <Ms2ger> OH: "Please note that Europeans do not slap their American counterparts, as they should not."
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# [11:23] <Gijs> NeilAway: right, so, is my solution to the "I don't want a context menu" problem of oncontextmenu="..." OK, or would you prefer I added code that differentiates between not having the context attribute and setting it to an empty string?
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# [11:24] <NeilAway> Gijs: sorry, I'm not sure yet
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# [11:25] <NeilAway> Gijs: might there be an extension compat issue?
# [11:26] <Ms2ger> khuey|tw, and gps is in Europe, so it's going to be ted...
# [11:27] <Gijs> NeilAway: I guess so, but only for the attribute of context="" actually existing.
# [11:27] <Gijs> NeilAway: sounds like the code should check if the attribute's gone away since the listener was added.
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# [11:33] <NeilAway> Gijs: that sounds like the safest approach, yes
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# [11:36] <@khuey|tw> Ms2ger: well we're just fucked hten
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# [11:36] <Ms2ger> Sounds right
# [11:36] <@khuey|tw> Ms2ger: or rather, he's just fucked
# [11:36] <Ms2ger> Or I'd need to get your flight grounded :)
# [11:36] * @khuey|tw wonders who is going to review his patch
# [11:37] <@khuey|tw> Ms2ger: just do http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tY2HzWCvhw
# [11:37] <@khuey|tw> Ms2ger: same airline ;-)
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# [11:38] <Ms2ger> khuey|tw, yeah, just don't fall from the sky, please
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# [11:49] <@dbaron> Hey, I'm the one flying on a Boeing 787 tomorrow. :-P
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# [11:51] <@dbaron> khuey|tw, it took an awfully long time for fire services to show up there
# [11:52] <Ms2ger> You don't fall from the sky either, if you don't mind :)
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# [11:55] <@khuey|tw> dbaron: heh
# [11:56] <@khuey|tw> Ms2ger: would you miss me? :-P
# [11:56] <Ms2ger> khuey|tw, yes, we don't have that many fast reviewers
# [11:57] <Ms2ger> And of course you're such a nice guy
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# [11:59] <Ms2ger> I should do reviews
# [11:59] <@khuey|tw> hah
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# [12:00] <Ms2ger> Clearly people shouldn't ask me
# [12:01] <@khuey|tw> seeing as you're not a module peer, no, they shouldn't ;-)
# [12:01] <Ms2ger> Exactly
# [12:02] * Ms2ger throws this patch at khuey|tw instead
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# [12:10] <@roc> cry havoc!
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# [12:15] <Yoric> I am trying to track a leaking nsThread.
# [12:15] <Yoric> Does anyone have suggestions on how to do that?
# [12:16] <Yoric> i.e. determining which thread that is and where it was created
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# [12:21] <baku> can someone tell me when I should use JS::Value and when JS::Handle<JS::Value> ?
# [12:21] <baku> Ms2ger, khuey|tw ^
# [12:21] <Ms2ger> Always use handles, I'd say
# [12:22] <baku> also in objects? class Foo { JS::Value mValue; }
# [12:22] <Ms2ger> No, then you cry
# [12:23] <Ms2ger> Rooted for stack variables, Handle for arguments, raw+cc for members of heap-allocated classes
# [12:23] <baku> 'no' means I should use JS::Value there?
# [12:25] <@khuey|tw> lol hell if I know
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# [13:03] <NeilAway> Gijs: hmm, I wonder whether you can leverage GetAttr's return value somehow
# [13:03] <Gijs> NeilAway: I assumed that returns empty string for non-existing elements, too.
# [13:04] <NeilAway> Gijs: no, the return value, not the outparam
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# [13:04] <Gijs> NeilAway: it seems unlikely that it's returning null as we're using the string's properties without nullchecking straight after.
# [13:04] <Gijs> Oh.
# [13:04] <Gijs> Fair point, I guess.
# [13:04] <Gijs> I don't know.
# [13:05] <Gijs> Huh, looks like it.
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# [13:11] <glandium> guess what. i was about to push... and inbound is closed
# [13:11] <glandium> there *is* a conspiracy
# [13:12] <Ms2ger> Aha, a build peer
# [13:12] <Ms2ger> You get to fix it :)
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# [13:13] <glandium> Ms2ger: aha, you wish i had that much time
# [13:14] <Ms2ger> I do!
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# [13:16] <glandium> Ms2ger: note, you're the closest to a build config peer around and that probably has the time ;)
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# [13:17] <glandium> Ms2ger: chicken
# [13:18] <Ms2ger> If you're starting to call me something close to a build peer?
# [13:18] <Ms2ger> Damn yes!
# [13:21] <edmorley> this is your final test... :P
# [13:21] <edmorley> mission reopen-the-trees-before-monday
# [13:21] <AutomatedTester> dun dun da da dun dun da da dun dun
# [13:21] <glandium> Ms2ger: why wouldn't you want to be one? see how much fun there is
# [13:22] <AutomatedTester> be da boooo be da boooo
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# [13:25] <tbsaunde> glandium: is you're implementation of git-remote-hg around someplace public? I've been really tempted to do the same thing but haven't got to it yet so I figure if I do something we shouldn't do the same work twice
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# [13:26] <@roc> gah every time I touch my phone the USB connection wobbles and gdb disconnects
# [13:27] <@roc> also
# [13:27] <@roc> b2g debug builds are very slow
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# [13:33] <Gijs> this is like the 10th time in 24 hours I've accidentally closed Terminal.app
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# [13:34] <tbsaunde> glob|away: shouldn't I have gotten the attachment in the review equest in bug 877976?
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# [13:37] <glandium> tbsaunde: it's not, but i can put it on github
# [13:38] <glandium> tbsaunde: later today
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# [13:50] <firebot> mak was last seen 25 hours, 15 minutes and 13 seconds ago, saying 'edmorley: yes, I get far too much bugmail and it's very hard to separate properly the bunch of mails coming from intermittent failures... Your suggestion to separate tplbot comments
# [13:50] <firebot> sounds good and I will do' in #developers.
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# [14:30] <@smaug> hmm, m-i staying closed
# [14:30] <@smaug> could we back out stuff?
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# [14:31] <ted> it's not clear what is actually broken, apparently
# [14:32] <@smaug> back out everything from yesterday ? :)
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# [14:33] <Gijs> the bug actually identifies a changeset as possibly being responsible, doesn't it?
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# [14:34] <Gijs> ah, no, nevermind, I misread.
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# [14:38] <edmorley> smaug: it may be due to corrupted hg clones
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# [14:44] <decoder> froydnj: thx for the backport work :)
# [14:44] <peregrino> If I have an indexedDB files (as in, my contacts library from my Unagi), is there a way I can shove it into a firefox profile and open it in the browser?
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# [14:46] <froydnj> decoder: *shrug*, I'm just pinging people here :)
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# [14:55] <decoder> froydnj: well, then thanks for that ;D
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# [15:16] <AutomatedTester> roc: thanks your help! :)
# [15:17] <ttaubert> Yoric: pong
# [15:17] <Yoric> Hi.
# [15:17] <AutomatedTester> i thought that might be the case but needed someone who knew more to say it was a wild goose chase
# [15:17] <Yoric> I wanted to know if you're waiting on me for something, wrt session restore.
# [15:17] <ttaubert> Yoric: yeah I actually wanted to talk to you about that today. I'm not sure if I should be waiting for you to incorporate the kill switch chances?
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# [15:17] <ttaubert> *changes
# [15:17] <ttaubert> with G
# [15:18] <Yoric> Do you want me to make a second review on it?
# [15:18] <Yoric> I actually haven't had the opportunity to take a look at the latest version.
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# [15:19] <ttaubert> Yoric: I wasn't sure if we should review again afterwards? probably not? so I'll just review the patch without the #ifdefs?
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# [15:19] <Yoric> We might need to decide on a more general strategi, i.e. in which order to we do stuff.
# [15:19] <Yoric> s/strategi/strategy/
# [15:20] <Yoric> Do we proceed with your (already reviewed) cleanup patches before merging my code and adding the killswitch?
# [15:20] <ttaubert> Yoric: I'd be fine with letting the cleanup wait if that helps us get your stuff in quicker
# [15:21] <ttaubert> my patches are probably easier to rebase as well :)
# [15:21] <Yoric> Well, for the moment, I'm blocked by reviews :)
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# [15:21] <Yoric> If you can proceed with reviewing stuff, I'll be glad to get this to advance.
# [15:21] <ttaubert> Yoric: yeah sorry. I was working on the tabopen animation which I was told is really hi-prio
# [15:21] <Yoric> Preferably before rebasing becomes impossible, yeah :)
# [15:21] <Yoric> I realize that.
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# [15:33] <Cwiiis> are we working on EME at all? (encrypted media extension)
# [15:33] <Yoric> I don't think we are.
# [15:34] <Cwiiis> okidokes (someone asked me, I have no idea)
# [15:35] <Cwiiis> looks like https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=872125 is tracking the issue
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# [15:39] <Ms2ger> Cwiiis, we are working on it in the sense that we object to it; we won't implement it
# [15:39] <ttaubert> is that the DRM thing everyone talks about?
# [15:39] <Cwiiis> ttaubert, think so
# [15:40] <Cwiiis> Ms2ger, do we object to it?
# [15:40] <ttaubert> Cwiiis: k, thx
# [15:40] <Ms2ger> Yes
# [15:40] <Gijs> Ms2ger: I wasn't aware there was an official stance on this already...
# [15:40] <ted> ehsan: ping
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# [15:40] <@ehsan> ted: pong
# [15:41] <ted> ehsan: so i'm trying to figure out wtf your change isn't being rebuilt properly
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# [15:41] <@ehsan> ok
# [15:41] <@ehsan> how can I help?
# [15:42] <ted> i assume that the test here https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/fe6ca42a5b6e#l2.13
# [15:42] <ted> should be hitting the conditional here? http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/content/media/webaudio/AudioContext.cpp#107
# [15:42] <@ehsan> yes
# [15:42] <ted> okay
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# [15:42] <ted> so i had bhearsum grab the AudioContext.o from an objdir of a build that's displaying this problem
# [15:42] <ted> and i disassembled it, and ::Constructor really does have a 32 in there
# [15:43] <@ehsan> that is what I would expect
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# [15:43] <ted> so then, why is it failing that test? :-(
# [15:43] <@ehsan> hmm
# [15:43] <@ehsan> do you have a log for the failure?
# [15:44] <ted> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=23616007&tree=Mozilla-Inbound
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# [15:44] <ted> there are two M1 runs on that build, they both fail the same way
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# [15:45] <@ehsan> ted: which platform is this?
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# [15:45] <ted> ehsan: linux64
# [15:46] <ted> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Mozilla-Inbound&rev=b2bf68201b50
# [15:46] <ted> FYI
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# [15:46] <@ehsan> hmm
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# [15:47] <ted> something is definitely broken with the build
# [15:47] <ted> i downloaded and ran it, and i can do
# [15:47] <ted> new OfflineAudioContext(10000, 100, 44100);
# [15:47] <ted> and it doesn't error
# [15:47] <ted> so your change somehow doesn't take effect in this build
# [15:48] <@ehsan> wow
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# [15:48] <@ehsan> and the obj file does have the 32 in it?
# [15:48] <ted> AFAICT, yes
# [15:48] <@ehsan> have you tried to disassemble libxul.so?
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# [15:48] <ted> not yet
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# [15:49] <ted> more of a pain, have to get the full symbolicated version
# [15:49] <Cwiiis> Is Firefox 17 still esr?
# [15:49] <@ehsan> hmm
# [15:49] <Ms2ger> Yes
# [15:49] <Cwiiis> thanks - do you know for how long?
# [15:49] <@ehsan> ted: I really can't think of something off the top of my head :(
# [15:49] <@ehsan> ted: is this test now perma orange?
# [15:50] <@ehsan> doesn't look like it
# [15:50] <Ms2ger> Cwiiis, 24 will be the next, and it's in nightly, so 15 weeks and a bit until it's released, and I think we'll keep maintaining 17 for a while after that
# [15:50] <@ehsan> ted: so it has also happened on linux32
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# [15:50] <@ehsan> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Mozilla-Inbound&rev=27a0f1913914
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# [15:51] <Ms2ger> Cwiiis, I think another 12 weeks, but don't quote me on that
# [15:51] <ted> ehsan: i think perma-orange on the builds where it happens
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# [15:51] <ted> but not all builds
# [15:51] <@ehsan> and also on linux64 debug
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# [15:52] <ted> ehsan: yeah, exciting
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# [15:52] <@ehsan> ted: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Mozilla-Inbound&rev=8d4938239ce2
# [15:52] <@ehsan> also happened on mac!!!!!!
# [15:52] <Ms2ger> khuey|tw, (so when are you flying out?)
# [15:52] <@khuey|tw> Ms2ger: 1 hour 48 minutes
# [15:52] <ted> yeah
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# [15:52] <ted> so...some kind of dependency issue?
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# [15:52] <@ehsan> wtf?
# [15:52] <ted> but what
# [15:52] <@ehsan> well
# [15:52] <Cwiiis> Ms2ger, thanks
# [15:52] <@ehsan> this is a pretty old school dependency
# [15:52] <@ehsan> as in, cpp files depending on .h files
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# [15:53] <@ehsan> and you said the obj file has the correct value in it
# [15:53] <@ehsan> ted: can you repor?
# [15:53] * @ehsan bets not!
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# [15:56] <@ehsan> ted: so I need to go to the office now, and have a dentist appointment at 11 :/
# [15:57] <@ehsan> ted: but I'm not sure if I can help anyway
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# [15:57] <@ehsan> ted: if at any point you decide that you should back out that patch and investigate offline, please do so
# [15:57] <@ehsan> sorry :/
# [15:57] <ted> okay
# [15:57] <ted> ehsan: yeah, i don't understand
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# [15:58] <ted> ehsan: i said above, i downloaded the build, and it exhibits this behavior
# [15:58] <@ehsan> ted: fwiw I have built locally with that patch at least 50 times since yesterday...
# [15:58] <ted> new OfflineAudioContext(10000, 100, 44100); doesn't throw
# [15:58] <@ehsan> then I have a hard time believing you about the .o file ;)
# [16:00] <@ehsan> ted: could it be that a different .o file is passed to the linker?
# [16:00] <@ehsan> somehow?
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# [16:01] <ted> bhearsum uploaded libxul and is uploading the entire build dir
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# [16:01] <ted> so i'll poke
# [16:01] <ted> ehsan: thx
# [16:01] <@ehsan> thanks!
# [16:01] <@ehsan> and good luck
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# [16:23] <Cwiiis> what repo do we keep esr17 in?
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# [16:23] <Ms2ger> Somewhere under hg.m.o/releases?
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# [16:24] <bsmedberg_> What's the way to get the "JS view" of a content window (from chrome)?
# [16:24] * bsmedberg_ knows he needs a wrapper, but not which one or how to get it
# [16:24] <@khuey|tw> by JS view you mean you want to see expandos?
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# [16:25] <@khuey|tw> bsmedberg_: ^
# [16:25] <bsmedberg_> yes
# [16:26] <bsmedberg_> although brendan has taught me to hate the word "expando"
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# [16:26] <@khuey|tw> bsmedberg_: I think you just want XPCNativeWrapper.unwrap(window)
# [16:27] <Cwiiis> Ms2ger, you're right, thanks :)
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# [16:27] <Ms2ger> Np
# [16:28] <bsmedberg_> khuey|tw: yes that worked, thanks
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# [16:28] * bsmedberg_ wonders if it will still be called XPCNativeWrapper in servo ;-)
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# [16:29] * @khuey|tw hopes jdm is better at naming than mrbkap and company
# [16:29] <jdm> haha
# [16:29] <@khuey|tw> though IIRC mrbkap claims that XPCNativeWrapper predates him
# [16:29] <@khuey|tw> and is jst's fault or something
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# [16:30] <Ms2ger> It's all jst's fault
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# [16:32] <joe> i think we should just generally blame him for everything
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# [16:33] <Ms2ger> Exactly
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# [16:33] <Ms2ger> ted, sounds like we're taking bug 844288 out, then
# [16:33] <Ms2ger> Are you doing that?
# [16:34] <ted> i am not currently
# [16:34] <ted> i am not much of a sheriff
# [16:34] <NeilAway> mozilla-central is still green, right?
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# [16:35] <ted> NeilAway: maybe, but benwa's patch got merged there
# [16:35] <NeilAway> ted: does that break Windows?
# [16:35] <ted> it breaks everything
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# [16:36] <Ms2ger> It also breaks VS2012
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# [16:37] <Ms2ger> edmorley, philor, ^
# [16:37] <NeilAway> ted: fair enough, I'll just pull the previous merge then
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# [16:39] <philor> conveniently, I have 7 minutes, should be plenty of time to back something out of m-c and merge it around and reopen every tree and watch them all for hours for signs of more suspicious behavior
# [16:39] <NeilAway> Gijs: is there a particular reason to support context="" contextmenu="the_real_context_menu" ?
# [16:39] <ted> Ms2ger: that's an easy thing to fix, subtly breaking our depencies is not
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# [16:39] <ted> hah
# [16:40] <@khuey|tw> ted: so what actually happened?
# [16:40] <Ms2ger> philor, I can watch for most of the evening if need be
# [16:40] <Gijs> NeilAway: none apart from it's supported now and I don't want to break anything that does work now
# [16:40] <Gijs> I guess?
# [16:40] <ted> khuey|tw: i think benwa's patch fucked up libxul dependencies
# [16:40] <ted> we're not re-linking libxul when we should
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# [16:40] <ted> so it's using old code, which causes mysterious test failures
# [16:40] <@khuey|tw> mmm
# [16:40] <@khuey|tw> fun
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# [16:40] <ted> yeah
# [16:40] <ted> aren't you on a plane?
# [16:40] <@khuey|tw> not yet
# [16:40] <@khuey|tw> clearly
# [16:40] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/4755d50e2402 - Phil Ringnalda - Back out dc76402b8471 (bug 844288) on suspicion of breaking dep builds
# [16:41] <@khuey|tw> :-P
# [16:41] <ted> i dunno, you could have in-flight wifi!
# [16:41] <ted> but why you'd waste in-flight wifi talking to us here i don't know
# [16:41] <@khuey|tw> yeah pretty sure nobody does inflight wifi over the pacfici
# [16:41] <@khuey|tw> *pacific
# [16:41] <Ms2ger> Departing in 1h?
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# [16:41] <ted> philor: thanks for the backout
# [16:41] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/ee37cd75d13f - Phil Ringnalda - Merge m-c to a CLOSED TREE m-i
# [16:42] <@khuey|tw> Ms2ger: 58 minutes, to be precise
# [16:42] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/4755d50e2402 - Phil Ringnalda - Back out dc76402b8471 (bug 844288) on suspicion of breaking dep builds
# [16:42] <@khuey|tw> that's what it's scheduled for anyways
# [16:42] <@khuey|tw> it'll probably be more like midnight before we push back
# [16:42] <ted> guess we'll have to watch carefully to see if things clean up properly or if we need to clobber :-/
# [16:42] <@khuey|tw> based on flightaware data
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# [16:42] <philor> "local changed gfx/tests/gtest/TestTiledLayerBuffer.cpp which remote deleted"
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# [16:43] <philor> gah, I hate the way that question is asked, who is which and do I like changed version or delete?
# [16:43] <ted> oh shi
# [16:43] <ted> --depend .deps/libxul.so.pp
# [16:44] <ted> i think i found the bug
# [16:44] <ted> (that's from the link line from when it's linking the gtest libxul)
# [16:44] <edmorley> philor: heh http://logbot.glob.com.au/?c=mozilla%23developers&s=30+May+2013&e=30+May+2013#c651985 :-)
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# [16:45] <ted> yeah, it's a pretty horrible prompt
# [16:45] <philor> edmorley: yeah, turns out I now have zero minutes, so somebody who does like it is going to have to merge to birch
# [16:45] <edmorley> philor: sure :-)
# [16:45] <BenWa> ted: *sigh* That would make sense
# [16:46] <BenWa> the dual linking is total hack. I wonder if it would of been easier to copy the libxul Makefile into two directories so we not generating two libs from it
# [16:46] <BenWa> from one*
# [16:46] <ted> possibly
# [16:46] <ted> put everything in an included makefile, just change the library name?
# [16:47] <ted> this is a PITA to get right
# [16:47] <BenWa> ted: Should we backout or add a fix?
# [16:47] <philor> since our only choice seems to be to see if it works, I'm reopening m-c and m-i (and fx-team, so I don't have to stick in a fake commit to CLOSED TREE it)
# [16:47] <ted> BenWa: it just got backed out
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# [16:47] <ted> BenWa: i think to prove it works locally you'll have to build, run make check, touch some code that gets linked into libxul, build again
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# [16:47] <ted> and verify that libxul gets relinked
# [16:48] <BenWa> ted: Right that's fine. I'm worried after this it will be another thing wrong and that this approach is too fragile
# [16:48] <ted> indeed
# [16:48] <BenWa> ted: Should we keep hacking it until it works or change approach?
# [16:49] <ted> BenWa: i don't know, i agree that you could just wind up with another bug
# [16:49] <@khuey|tw> can we just put gtest libxul in a separate directory?
# [16:49] <@khuey|tw> that should make most of the problems go away, no?
# [16:50] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/40a7daac0e2c - Gene Lian - Bug 877627 - [Contacts][Dialer] Dialer doesn't show on screen when launching from contacts. r=fabrice,shianyow a=tef+
# [16:51] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/e9193d5774f4 - paul.feher@softvision.ro - Bug 838596 - Robocop: Add test for 'Master Password' feature. r=jmaher
# [16:51] <Ms2ger> Inbound is open, all rush in
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# [16:53] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/aa3f8a04c2fc - Jan de Mooij - Bug 877127. r=bhackett
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# [16:53] <Ms2ger> khuey|tw, good riddance
# [16:53] <@khuey|tw> srsly
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# [16:54] <ted> khuey|tw: that's what benwa was just suggesting
# [16:54] <@khuey|tw> ted: if you want the binary figure out the gcc commands yourself?
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# [16:54] <BenWa> khuey|tw: We do put libxul in a different directory. But I didnt override the dependencies to also go in a different directory
# [16:54] <@khuey|tw> ah
# [16:54] <@khuey|tw> fun
# [16:55] <@khuey|tw> ok time to go find the gate
# [16:55] <BenWa> We had to because it must have the same name so it must have a different path
# [16:55] <@khuey|tw> see you all next week
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# [17:01] <jesup> peterv: ping
# [17:01] <jesup> !seen peterv
# [17:01] <firebot> peterv was last seen 19 hours, 27 minutes and 38 seconds ago, saying 'bz: looks like orange from bug 876098 on inbound' in #content.
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# [17:04] <philor> so for poor stupid birch, I want (c)hanged, because the backout puts gfx/tests/gtest/TestTiledLayerBuffer.cpp back into existence, right?
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# [17:05] <philor> gotta hurry up and reopen it, never know when its one patch per day might want to land
# [17:05] <@bz> jesup: ack
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# [17:07] <philor> oh, no, I don't, so now I have to throw away this repo with a busted merge in it, and I'm back to not having time for birch
# [17:07] <Ms2ger> philor, didn't you have to go? :)
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# [17:08] <philor> Ms2ger: nope, that was a start-something deadline, not the leave-the-house deadline
# [17:08] <jesup> bz: peterv doesn't seem to be around - can you land/ask-for-uplift bug 876080, or could I do it? (though I'm less in-the-loop on answering the uplift questions; I might ask you to write that if you can)
# [17:08] <jesup> I'd like to see this get into beta4 if we can
# [17:09] <jesup> bz: mccr8: also, I have bug 877515 (null passed into CallSetup) caught in windbg
# [17:09] <gaston> jesup: i'm soon going to come back to sctp/webrtc on bsd, was there any decision wrt updating libsctp from upstream or just adding local patches in the meantime ?
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# [17:11] <jesup> gaston: we updated a while ago; as we're tracking an SCTP bug right now (locking issue racing with ABORT of an association), we may take an update soon
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# [17:11] <gaston> ah so i need to make sure my openbsd patches are sort of merged at some point
# [17:11] <jesup> bz: mccr8: though it's a full-opt build, though --disable-strip
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# [17:13] <@bz> jesup: looking
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# [17:13] <@bz> jesup: this null thing
# [17:14] <@bz> jesup: what can you tell me? #content
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# [17:16] <Ms2ger> bz, anything you'd want the testthewebforward people to write tests for?
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# [17:18] <@bz> Ms2ger: hmm
# [17:18] <@bz> Ms2ger: box-sizing?
# [17:18] <Ms2ger> Good point
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# [17:22] <avih> dholbert: ping
# [17:22] <@bz> ms2ger: form/document named getter behavior?
# [17:22] <Ms2ger> Yeah, I suggested form
# [17:22] <@bz> ms2ger: or do they need things that have a good spec?
# [17:22] <dholbert> avih, pong
# [17:22] <Ms2ger> Heh
# [17:23] <Ms2ger> Well, that would be simplest, of course :)
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# [17:24] <avih> dholbert: i was told you were wondering on tscroll "99.8% improvement" at dev.platform, but i can't seem to find this email. FWIW, it's a result of bug 845943, and a similar change is expected soon with tsvg as well
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# [17:25] <dholbert> avih, dev.tree-management, several weeks back
# [17:25] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/f8f231c38dd5 - Nicholas D. Matsakis - Bug 871634 - Rerun GVN after UCE r=dvander
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# [17:25] <avih> dholbert: oh, i see. wasn't following this list.
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# [17:26] <avih> dholbert: could you please give a link to the original question? i'd like to respond to it
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# [17:27] <dholbert> avih, https://groups.google.com/d/msg/mozilla.dev.tree-management/l4w1E5KOGnw/myOsjYXH_m8J
# [17:27] <dholbert> avih, thanks!
# [17:27] <avih> dholbert: :) yw
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# [17:28] <avih> dholbert: did you get any kind of reply?
# [17:29] <avih> e.g. from joel?
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# [17:29] <dholbert> avih, I don't think so
# [17:29] <avih> dholbert: ok, thanks
# [17:30] <jmaher> avih: I haven't replied yet :(
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# [17:46] <jesup> How do I save the stack from windbg?
# [17:47] <nemo> ew.
# [17:47] <gaston> _curses.error: setupterm: could not find terminal
# [17:47] <gaston> meh, that's soemthing new, and in 22b3...
# [17:47] <gaston> 22 starts using mach by default ?
# [17:47] <nemo> jesup: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/How_to_get_a_stacktrace_with_WinDbg tho
# [17:47] <nemo> but. ew.
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# [17:49] <ted> jesup: kp
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# [17:49] <ted> (in the console)
# [17:49] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/220220dd15fe - Max Li - Bug 743250 - test_xhr_implicit_cancel.html is() calls miss their msg parameter. r=khuey
# [17:49] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/02d5396a69c5 - ABE Hiroki (hATrayflood) - Bug 775939 - Fix gyp Makefile include error on msvc (change topsrcdir, srcdir and VPATH to absolute path). r=ted
# [17:50] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/f73e297ed889 - Timothy Arceri - Bug 877409 - Replace depreciated GDK_ROOT_PARENT(). r=karlt
# [17:50] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/782759aa8a03 - Sean Stangl - Bug 877021 - Speed up CreateRegExpMatchResult(). r=h4writer
# [17:51] <jesup> ted: is there a way to dump the JS stack in windbg?
# [17:51] * jesup bets not
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# [17:58] <till> jesup: you should be able to do something along the lines of `.call js_DumpBacktrace(cx)` from a stackframe that has `cx` defined.
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# [17:59] <jesup> till: where will it dump?
# [17:59] <till> jesup: stdout
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# [18:01] <jesup> Hmmmm.... not good
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# [18:01] <jesup> Access violation.
# [18:01] <@bz> :(
# [18:02] <jesup> Nothing appeared in stdout
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# [18:03] <jesup> I think it may have tried to invoke it from the crash frame 0, not the frame I was looking at
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# [18:03] <jesup> but I'm really not sure
# [18:04] <jesup> and it won't let me try it again (Thread already has call in progress)
# [18:04] <@bz> ok
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# [18:04] <@bz> well, let's try this the hard way
# [18:04] <jesup> yeah, still seems sane
# [18:04] <@bz> cx->stack is an object, right?
# [18:04] <jesup> yes
# [18:05] <@bz> can you get the fp from it?
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# [18:05] <@bz> ok
# [18:06] <@bz> So you have a JSStackFrame*?
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# [18:07] <jesup> js::StackSegment*, js::StackSpace* and JSContext*
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# [18:07] <jesup> (in cx->stack)
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# [18:08] <@bz> nline StackFrame *fp() const { JS_ASSERT(hasfp()); return seg_->fp(); }
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# [18:09] <jesup> stack->seg_ has no member fp; must be a function
# [18:09] <@bz> it is
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# [18:09] <@bz> ok
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# [18:10] <@bz> stack->seg_->regs_->fp_
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# [18:11] <jesup> memory access error.....
# [18:11] <jesup> in fact everything inside seg_
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# [18:12] <jesup> everything inside cx->stack
# [18:12] <@bz> :(
# [18:12] <@bz> so maybe back up
# [18:12] <@bz> do we know which test this is happening in?
# [18:12] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/4c7a395fadcc - Ryan VanderMeulen - Backed out changeset 662f6427c909 (bug 872890) for debug bustage.
# [18:13] <@bz> And which JS code we're generally running?
# [18:13] <jesup> bz: don't forget to nominate bug 876080 for beta ...
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# [18:13] <@bz> jesup: once I have a patch to nominate
# [18:13] * @bz is still merging
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# [18:13] <@bz> beta code is ... very different
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# [18:14] <jesup> test_peerConnection_offerRequiresReceiveAudio.html
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# [18:14] <@bz> hmm
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# [18:14] <@bz> mini-harness
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# [18:14] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/1e52181d41b6 - Ryan VanderMeulen - Merge m-c to inbound.
# [18:15] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/4c7a395fadcc - Ryan VanderMeulen - Backed out changeset 662f6427c909 (bug 872890) for debug bustage.
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# [18:15] <@bz> So presumably the timeout handler is 84 window.setTimeout(_executeNext, 0);
# [18:15] <@bz> or something
# [18:15] <@bz> in pc.js
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# [18:16] <@bz> So backing up
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# [18:16] <@bz> We know the mozRTCPeerConnection has been unlinked
# [18:16] <@bz> right?
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# [18:17] <mccr8> bz: you are discussing that random orange?
# [18:17] <@bz> mccr8: yes
# [18:17] <@bz> mccr8: jesup has it in windbg
# [18:17] <mccr8> oh nice
# [18:18] <@bz> mccr8: in an opt build....
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# [18:18] <@bz> mccr8: so basically mozRTCPeerConnection::mImpl is null
# [18:18] <mccr8> ah. that's bad... ;)
# [18:18] <@bz> mccr8: as is its mWindow
# [18:18] <@bz> er, mParent
# [18:18] <@bz> So it's been unlinked
# [18:18] <mccr8> yeah
# [18:18] <@bz> but we're being called from JS
# [18:18] <@bz> So wtf? ;)
# [18:19] <mccr8> well, we could check what color the wrapper is, though that isn't necessarily useful if a GC has already happened post unlinking
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# [18:20] <mccr8> if only we had some kind of reversible debugger. ;)
# [18:20] <@smaug> is there some js component involved
# [18:20] <jesup> Greenhills has that for TI Davinci ARM/DSPs :-)
# [18:21] <mccr8> some mozilla people are also working on one. ;)
# [18:21] <jesup> trace buffer; you can rewind time
# [18:21] * jesup likes Davincis
# [18:21] <mccr8> smaug: well, the mImpl started life as an XPCOM component.
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# [18:21] <@smaug> if unlinking for example posts a runnable and then that runnable touches JS ...
# [18:22] <@smaug> then that JS touches again the C++ part...
# [18:22] <@smaug> and so on
# [18:22] <jesup> So I'm available as a remote debugger; let me know what you want to see
# [18:22] <jesup> In this case the script is from setTimeout I believe
# [18:22] <Ms2ger> jesup, TI? Is that Texas Instruments calculators?
# [18:23] <jesup> Ms2ger: TI, as in TI DSPs and modern DaVinci ARM/DSP SOCs that run tablets and cellphones (and cell base stations, etc)
# [18:23] <hub> Ms2ger: Texas Instrument is still a key player in the chip business
# [18:23] <jesup> calculators are so last century
# [18:24] * Ms2ger only ever heard TI in the calculator context
# [18:24] <Ms2ger> Then again, I don't care about hardware
# [18:24] <hub> TI is also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speak_%26_Spell_%28toy%29
# [18:24] <jesup> Ti is a/the major DSP house
# [18:24] <hub> :-)
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# [18:24] <jesup> or the TI 99/4!
# [18:24] <hub> jesup: that too
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# [18:24] <hub> I had one
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# [18:25] <@smaug> yes, who needs calculators when you have javascript: urls
# [18:25] <jesup> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_Instruments_DaVinci
# [18:25] <Ms2ger> Who needs gardens when you have supermarkets
# [18:25] <hub> jesup: and software for it is called DaVinci Code?
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# [18:25] <jesup> DM8148/8168 are the current hot ones
# [18:25] <Ms2ger> :D
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# [18:26] <jesup> I build videophones with DM642's (DSP only, with a separate ARM chip) and DM6446 davinci's
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# [18:27] <jesup> s/build/built/
# [18:27] <jesup> bz/mccr8/smaug: so, what do you want me to look at?
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# [18:27] <@bz> mccr8: so in this case we have setTimeout running script that does a call on our object
# [18:27] <@bz> mccr8: so I would think we were reachable from content JS all along
# [18:28] <@bz> mccr8: and then, why and where did we get unlinked?
# [18:28] <mccr8> hmm.
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# [18:28] <mccr8> bz: do we return to the event loop after doing setTimeout?
# [18:28] <mccr8> bz: so the stack that has _executeNext would be cleared and we're only keeping it alive via C++ through window somehow?
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# [18:29] <mccr8> obviously I know nothing about how this works. :)
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# [18:29] <mccr8> uh oh nsTimeout! ;)
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# [18:30] <mccr8> well nsTimeout does traverse its mScriptHandler
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# [18:32] <@bz> It's hard to tell without the exact JS stack
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# [18:32] <@bz> but the relevant object _should_ just be kept alive via the JS object graph
# [18:32] <mccr8> hmm. ok.
# [18:32] <@bz> I kinda wish I at least knew where the relevant setLocalDescription call is. :(
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# [18:49] <@bz> mccr8: anything else jesup can get us here?
# [18:49] <mccr8> bz: hmm, not that I can think of... :-/
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# [18:54] <sponge> hey folks, not sure what channel is the best for this, but i'm having a problem with an npapi plugin from firefox 20 -> 21. it seems npp_destroy isn't being called when the person navigates away from a tab anymore. were there any changes to plugin behavior in between versions?
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# [18:55] <mccr8> sponge: johns would probably know, but I don't know if he's around.
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# [18:55] <mccr8> there have been a lot of plugin related fixes
# [18:55] <@bz> mccr8: me neither. :(
# [18:56] <mccr8> sponge: if you file a plugins bug maybe somebody can look at it
# [18:56] <sponge> yea i thought about that, wanted to try and rule out if it was our fault first, but as far as i can tell its just that function
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# [18:56] <dholbert> RyanVM, looks like m-i tip is still busted :(
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# [18:56] <sponge> i'll idle around a bit, will put in a bug
# [18:56] <@bz> sponge: if the problem is reliably reproducible, you could find the nightly it first appeared in
# [18:57] <@bz> sponge: and then look at the changelog for that day to see what changed...
# [18:57] <sponge> yea as far as we can tell its 100% of everyone on firefox 21
# [18:57] <sponge> theres some bisect tool that goes through versions right?
# [18:57] <@bz> sponge: http://harthur.github.io/mozregression/
# [18:57] <RyanVM> dholbert: i just clobbered (why not)
# [18:57] <dholbert> woo
# [18:57] <RyanVM> but actually, that looks like possible real bustage from ehsan
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# [18:58] <sponge> rad, i'll start going through that
# [18:58] <dholbert> bz, http://mozilla.github.com/mozregression/ is the new location, IIRC
# [18:58] <dholbert> harth passed off ownership to someone else
# [18:58] <RyanVM> with any luck, he'll actually be here to look at it too
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# [18:59] <dholbert> / sponge: ^
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# [19:00] <dholbert> (harth's clone is probably still near-equivalent if not identical to the "official" moz clone, though)
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# [19:01] <@ehsan> RyanVM: looking
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# [19:02] <@ehsan> huh
# [19:02] <@ehsan> so since when nsIDocument::GetBodyElement() doesn't exist?!
# [19:02] <jesup> bz: I can kill the debug session?
# [19:02] <jesup> mccr8: ^
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# [19:03] <mccr8> I guess so.
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# [19:03] <@ehsan> this says that the linker is wrong: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/content/base/public/nsIDocumentInlines.h#12
# [19:03] <@ehsan> hmm, except that I may need to #include "nsIDocumentInlines.h"...
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# [19:04] <@ehsan> RyanVM: I think I'll backout and investigate offline, does that sound good?
# [19:04] <RyanVM> sure
# [19:04] <@ehsan> thanks, and sorry
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# [19:07] <@bz> jesup, mccr8: we should get this info in the bug...
# [19:07] <dcamp> jst: don't have much to add beyond a ++ to your git thread, but here's my ++
# [19:07] <@bz> I wonder whether we can reproduce this more reliably on a higher gczeal level?
# [19:08] <jst> dcamp: thanks, and noted :)
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# [19:08] <mccr8> yeah it could be a case like, if we CC in between the set timeout and when we trigger the timeout, or something.
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# [19:09] <firebot> Check-in:
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# [19:09] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/2222b07ab207 - Ehsan Akhgari - Backed out changeset cfca6afaaf9b (bug 865806) because it doesn't speak the secret phrase "nsIDocumentInlines.h" (on a CLOSED TREE, because that's how I roll)
# [19:10] <@bz> mccr8, jesup: who has time to dig into this?
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# [19:11] <BenWa> ted: Alright I have a fix that has the proper dependencies for libxul and always rebuilds gtest/libxul. Does that sound good? gtest/libxul is only built when running gtest anyways
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# [19:12] <mccr8> bz: well, I probably have more time than you. ;)
# [19:12] <@smaug> if I have static SomeType foo; in an inline method, do I actually get several instances of foo
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# [19:12] <shu> bent: ping
# [19:12] <mccr8> I don't have a windows dev setup, but there's a windows box under my desk so I should be able to get something going.
# [19:12] <@bz> mccr8: I was positing "who is not me and has time", yes
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# [19:12] <bent> shu, hi!
# [19:12] <bent> shu, what's up?
# [19:13] <mccr8> ha, right.
# [19:13] <shu> bent: what would it take to fix bug 845190? :)
# [19:13] <shu> bent: i don't really understand the bug at all, but it's blocking me from landing something in JS
# [19:13] <shu> bent: since last time i tried to land it it turned this intermittent orange into a perma orange, and i got backed out
# [19:14] <mccr8> I guess I'll dig through IRC logs to come up with what you worked out with the windbg session.
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# [19:15] <bent> shu, i'm sort of in the same boat as you, i think. The explanation for the bug has veered from one theory to the next
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# [19:15] <bent> shu, but it looks like comment 359 is getting close
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# [19:15] <@bz> comment 359, eh?
# [19:16] <froydnj> smaug: no
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# [19:16] <shu> bent: okay, what is the test testing? is it realistic to disable it so it doesn't block me?
# [19:16] <bent> shu, i put my best guess in comment 362
# [19:16] <bent> shu, no idea about that specific test
# [19:16] <bent> shu, the problem seems kind of unrelated to the actual test that's running
# [19:17] <shu> bent: hm, okay, i'll just comment in the bug then about the urgency
# [19:17] <shu> bent: thanks
# [19:17] <bent> shu, any idea why your change makes it more likely to go orange?
# [19:17] <shu> bent: 0 clue
# [19:18] <shu> bent: my guess is that it changed the timing of the event loop in xpcshell, maybe?
# [19:18] <shu> bent: but i'm just using words that seem to make sense
# [19:18] <bent> heh
# [19:18] <ted> BenWa: did you test like i suggested? build, make check, touch a source file that gets linked into libxul, rebuild ensure that libxul gets relinked?
# [19:18] <shu> bent: see comment 314 and 315
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# [19:19] <mccr8> guess I missed less of the random orange conversation than I thought
# [19:19] <bent> shu, ok
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# [19:21] <BenWa> ted: Yes I did several iterations of that and looked at the .deps file
# [19:22] <mccr8> jesup: so did you do anything in particular to get the orange to reproduce? like, run it over and over again?
# [19:22] <BenWa> ted: The problem was that when you ran gtest/xul it would put gtest/xul : <deps> in the file and then further rebuilding of vanilla xul wouldn't happen
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# [19:23] <ted> BenWa: ooh
# [19:23] <BenWa> ted: So that problem is fixed. I'm just wondering if we're ok with not having dependencies for gtest/xul. IMO we are since it's not build by default targets
# [19:23] <ted> okay, good to know my theory was correct
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# [19:23] <ted> BenWa: that might be okay, as long as we're forcing it to re-link when necessary
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# [19:23] <ted> i guess ideally you don't want to link it every time, you really do want deps
# [19:23] <ted> or at least "depends on libxul" so it gets relinked when libxul gets relinked
# [19:24] <BenWa> ted: This was the fix FWIW but you'll probably review it soon :) http://pastebin.mozilla.org/2467970
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# [19:24] <BenWa> ted: That's good because if you only update test file then gtest/xul wont relink
# [19:24] <BenWa> that's not good*
# [19:24] <BenWa> I could get proper deps but that's more hacky changes =\
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# [19:26] <ted> ah
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# [19:27] <ted> i guess always relinking libxul-gtest is probably an okay first step, but i'd like real deps
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# [19:27] <BenWa> ted: IMO the next step should be to undo the hacking and re-implement this properly
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# [19:27] <ted> gotcha
# [19:27] <tbsaunde> froydnj: I like how you cc'd yourself before I did :)
# [19:27] <ted> as long as we have a plan
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# [19:28] <BenWa> Problem is I don't think we will have any takers for that next step =\
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# [19:29] <@ehsan> I just finished a build in 57:16.22
# [19:30] <@ehsan> do I need new hardware? :(
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# [19:31] <@smaug> ehsan: non-Windows?
# [19:31] <@smaug> that is bad
# [19:31] <@ehsan> Mac
# [19:31] <@bz> ehsan: :(
# [19:32] <mccr8> yeah my build times are kind of like that...
# [19:32] <mccr8> they've gotten a lot worse in the last few months
# [19:32] <froydnj> tbsaunde: \o/
# [19:32] <@smaug> that is true
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# [19:32] <@ehsan> at this rate, I think I'm going to stop rebasing my stuff frequently :(
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# [19:32] <mccr8> I only rebase every few weeks
# [19:32] <@smaug> I think at least +50%
# [19:32] <@ehsan> it's amazing how the recent changes were supposed to make things faster!
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# [19:32] <@ehsan> it looks like we achieved the opposite
# [19:32] <mccr8> there's also a lot more code...
# [19:32] <@bz> ehsan: which changes? ;)
# [19:33] <@bz> ehsan: webidl bindings generate faster
# [19:33] <@ehsan> we haven't doubled our code in the last 6 months
# [19:33] <@bz> ehsan: still take forever to build. :(
# [19:33] <@ehsan> bz: no I'm talking about the build system fanciness
# [19:33] <@ehsan> it's hard to tell what has exactly changed
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# [19:33] <tbsaunde> froydnj: did you see that constexpr should fix bug 809306 if dvander`home is ok with it
# [19:33] <@ehsan> but I *know* I got builds in less than 30 minutes on this machine 6 months ago
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# [19:33] <@ehsan> and I'm not buying the argument of more code being added ;)
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# [19:34] <@dolske> your transistors are just getting tired?
# [19:34] <froydnj> ehsan: 32+64-bit build, or just 64-bit?
# [19:34] <tbsaunde> froydnj: there's still the jsval stuff including webidl bindings which will be tricker though
# [19:34] <@bz> ~% cd mozilla/beta/mozilla/
# [19:34] <@bz> mozilla% find . -name "*.cpp" | wc -l
# [19:34] <@bz> 4982
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# [19:34] <froydnj> tbsaunde: no, where was that?
# [19:34] <@ehsan> froydnj: just 64-bit, debug
# [19:34] <@bz> mozilla% ls ../obj-firefox/dom/bindings/*.cpp | wc -l
# [19:34] <@bz> 305
# [19:34] <@bz> ~% cd mozilla/inbound/mozilla/
# [19:34] <@bz> mozilla% find . -name "*.cpp" | wc -l
# [19:34] <@bz> 5061
# [19:34] <@bz> mozilla% ls ../obj-firefox/dom/bindings/*.cpp | wc -l
# [19:34] <@bz> 365
# [19:34] <froydnj> ehsan: sheesh, what's your machine? this mac mini does clobbers in about 35 minutes
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# [19:35] <tbsaunde> froydnj: just here lateish lastnight
# [19:35] <@ehsan> froydnj: some mac book pro... it has 16 gigs of ram, and a processor ;)
# [19:35] <@ehsan> not a very good one
# [19:35] <tbsaunde> froydnj: I need to fix arm and x86 before posting the patch
# [19:35] <@bz> So looks like we added about 150 .cpp files since beta
# [19:35] <@ehsan> this must be a couple of years old...
# [19:35] <@ehsan> bz: who did that?!
# [19:35] <@bz> ehsan: well, 60 of them are bindings
# [19:35] <@ehsan> :(
# [19:36] <@bz> ehsan: and the other 80 are... who knows
# [19:36] <@ehsan> but the thing is, I think I can build all bindings in 5-6 minutes tops
# [19:36] <@bz> right
# [19:36] <edmorley> ehsan: the recent build changes have mostly been prep for the actual speedups later on
# [19:36] <@bz> But that's 5-6 minutes that wasn't there 6 months ago
# [19:36] <@ehsan> we still have 25 more minutes to explain
# [19:36] <@bz> when we had basically no bindings to speak of
# [19:36] <philor> it's probably the 80 webaudio ones
# [19:36] <@bz> yeah
# [19:36] <@ehsan> bz: right
# [19:36] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/266b669dd70b - Bobby Holley - Bug 858101 - Run the DefaultValue algorithm directly on the wrapper for Xrays. r=mrbkap
# [19:36] <@ehsan> philor: touche ;)
# [19:36] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/7d9e1b954e7f - Bobby Holley - Bug 858101 - Fix other tests. r=mrbkap
# [19:37] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/12653403df73 - Mihai Sucan - Bug 858101 - Fix browser tests. r=me
# [19:37] <@bz> I agree that build times have gotten insane and we should figure out why.....
# [19:37] <@bz> I wonder if we can log how long each toplevel dir takes to build
# [19:37] <@bz> in today's build and in fx16 or something
# [19:37] <@bz> and see
# [19:37] <@ehsan> and I mean, going from 30 to 60 minutes is going from annoying to plain unacceptable
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# [19:37] * froydnj wonders how much we'd gain if we moved the dom/content/netwerk/layout subdirectories logic up to their respective toplevels to avoid (parallel) recursion
# [19:37] <@bz> That said, if your hardware is 2+ years old you do need new hardware
# [19:37] <@bz> just fyw
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# [19:37] <@bz> er, fyi
# [19:37] <Ms2ger> :(
# [19:38] <@ehsan> bz: problem is, every time I get new hardware, it dies for some reason, and I end up with an older loaner :(
# [19:38] <edmorley> ehsan: wonder how much time enabling icu by default added
# [19:38] <@bz> ehsan: :(
# [19:38] <@ehsan> bz: I've never managed to use "new hardware" for more than 3 months!
# [19:38] <@bz> we could time how long a make in icu code takes
# [19:38] <@ehsan> edmorley: I have no idea
# [19:38] <froydnj> tbsaunde: well, that's great! fixing that is a nice win, though it won't help the size situation on b2g =/
# [19:38] <mccr8> My laptop is 2+ years old, but I'm trying to hold out for the next round of Apple hardware to come out... ;)
# [19:38] <@ehsan> mccr8: your wait will be over soon!
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# [19:39] <edmorley> is apple hardware capable of cooling itself sufficiently to not cause cpu throttling yet?
# [19:39] <ted> i haven't noticed that problem, but i can't say i've been looking for it either
# [19:39] <@ehsan> edmorley: my macbook is on a suspension stand, so it gets as cool as it can get!
# [19:39] <ted> my retina MBP still spins up the fans and gets hot when it builds
# [19:40] <@smaug> mccr8: you could just switch to linux
# [19:40] <@ehsan> ted: what are your clobber build times?
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# [19:40] <mccr8> smaug: well, really what I should do is use distcc to build on Linux desktop machines. ;)
# [19:41] <@ehsan> that would be lovely indeed
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# [19:42] <tbsaunde> froydnj: mwu told me b2g is thinking about upgrading there gcc at some point
# [19:42] <@dolske> i have ancedotally noticed that successive MBP generations get less-hot at max load.
# [19:42] <@dolske> at least, I can play minecraft without scalding my flesh now. ;)
# [19:42] <froydnj> tbsaunde: yeah, eventually upgrading will hit these changes and provide a nice win
# [19:43] <BenWa> ehsan: universal?
# [19:43] * Ms2ger curses the webconsole tests
# [19:43] <@ehsan> BenWa: nope
# [19:43] <BenWa> something's not right. I'm consistently at 23 mins
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# [19:43] <tbsaunde> froydnj: yeah, and it has the nice property that we're not doing stupid things that make it hard for smart compilers to optimize to constant data
# [19:43] <@ehsan> BenWa: what's your machine?
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# [19:44] <BenWa> 2.3 i7, 16fb ram
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# [19:44] <BenWa> gb
# [19:44] * @bz should time
# [19:44] <tbsaunde> froydnj: and the fact that b2g doesn't have great tests and will shortly be 3 major versions behind anything else is concerning
# [19:44] <@ehsan> really?
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# [19:44] <@bz> ccache complicates matters
# [19:44] <@ehsan> mine is 2.5 i7 16g
# [19:44] <BenWa> I don't use ccache
# [19:44] <ted> ehsan: don't remember offhand
# [19:45] <@bz> Sure, but I do, and it complicates timing for me. ;)
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# [19:49] <Ms2ger> Mm, TEST-UNEXPECTED-FAIL | leakstats | log file incomplete
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# [19:51] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/019382e24635 - Monica Chew - Move execution from nsExternalAppHandler to nsDownload (b=858234, r=paolo)
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# [20:01] <mbrubeck> Is it really true that git is slower than hg on Windows?
# [20:01] <mbrubeck> I see this repeated a lot, but never with specific measurements attached...
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# [20:02] <grobinson> hey all, just updated to Ubuntu 13.04 and now I can't build firefox
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# [20:02] <grobinson> `mach build` gets me checking Python environment is Mozilla virtualenv...
# [20:02] <grobinson> and then a message about the build environment not being sane
# [20:02] <mbrubeck> grobinson: Try clobbering.
# [20:03] <mbrubeck> grobinson: virtualenvs don't like python versions changing out from under them.
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# [20:03] <grobinson> mbrubeck: that makes sense :)
# [20:03] <grobinson> clobber did the trick, thanks
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# [20:03] <grobinson> and... now I've got some unexpected free time
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# [20:04] <@smaug> 31mins debug build. It was closer to 20mins in January
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# [20:04] <mbrubeck> smaug: Yeah, I've seen about 50% increase in my build times too.
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# [20:05] <mbrubeck> http://arewesmallyet.com/
# [20:05] * Ms2ger saw a nice drop
# [20:05] <@ehsan> mbrubeck: some of the operations are slower, mostly the ones which need to stat everything
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# [20:05] <@ehsan> such as git status
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# [20:06] <@smaug> oh, right we have two different awsys
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# [20:06] <grobinson> mbrubeck: why are the mac binaries so much larger?
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# [20:07] <mbrubeck> grobinson: They are universal (32-bit and 64-bit)
# [20:07] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/d9e151e7eb99 - David Zbarsky - Bug 788549 Part 10: Fix RecvGetTransform to handle scale animations correctly r=roc
# [20:07] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/1b31ac7a1bb4 - David Zbarsky - Bug 788549 Part 8: Only query layers when OMTA is enabled r=roc
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# [20:07] <tbsaunde> grobinson: they're actually two 32 and 64 bit
# [20:07] <mbrubeck> grobinson: Something to do with how we support 32-bit plugins.
# [20:07] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/c0e5cb861643 - David Zbarsky - Bug 788549 Part 9: matrix() animations interpret arguments in wrong order r=dbaron
# [20:07] <grobinson> mbrubeck: of course
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# [20:08] <grobinson> other than that clobber, ubuntu 13.04 is nice!
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# [20:21] <gregglind> I am having some weirdness with utf8 and nsiStreams. https://gist.github.com/gregglind/5686822#file-gistfile1-js-L33-L40
# [20:22] <gregglind> (also if we have a nicer "gzip a string" impl, I would happily take it)
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# [20:22] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/f83cb3968302 - Jan de Mooij - Bug 877986. r=bhackett
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# [20:22] <froydnj> gregglind: yeah, you need some utf8 conversion in there
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# [20:24] <froydnj> gregglind: see http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/toolkit/components/telemetry/TelemetryPing.js#901 and uses of converter in that function
# [20:24] <gregglind> froydnj, any build, or suggestions? Am I aiming for byte arrays, or getting to '\u'
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# [20:24] <gregglind> thanks!
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# [20:24] <gregglind> oh, heck yeah, perfect!
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# [20:25] <@bz> In a sane world
# [20:26] <@bz> new TextEncoder().encode(str)
# [20:26] <@bz> will return you a Uint8Array of the bytes
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# [20:26] <@bz> Which is a bit easier to do than the scriptable unicode converter bit
# [20:26] <gregglind> will try, bz, then just gzip that and undo it?
# [20:26] <froydnj> that would also work
# [20:27] <gregglind> noted!
# [20:27] <@bz> So then you need to feed the Uint8Array into gzip
# [20:27] <@bz> which may not be as fun as a "string" of inflated bytes
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# [20:27] <gregglind> ha :) will try those.
# [20:27] <Mook_as> in an insane world, does unescape(encodeURIComponent(str)) do anything interesting for you?
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# [20:28] <@bz> On the reverse side, if you have a Uint8Array of bytes, then |new TextDecoder().decode(myArray)|
# [20:28] <@bz> will give you a string
# [20:28] <@bz> as long as you're OK with invalid byte sequences throwing exceptions
# [20:29] <@bz> if you want them to become a replacement character, then you need to say so in your constructor
# [20:29] <@bz> er, sorry
# [20:29] <@bz> the default behavior is replacement characters
# [20:29] <gregglind> Mook_as, I get a-hat
# [20:30] <@bz> if you want to throw on invalid byte sequences you need |new TextDecoder({ fatal: true }).decode(buffer)|
# [20:30] <@bz> These APIs almost look like JS. ;)
# [20:30] <Ms2ger> Almost
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# [20:30] <gregglind> Noted. These should all decode, because they have been through JSON.stringify before this, which should guarantee valid utf.
# [20:30] <@bz> well, more importantly they started as Unicode
# [20:30] <@bz> and then got encoded to UTF-8
# [20:31] <@bz> so they better be valid UTF-8
# [20:31] <@ehsan> bz: ping
# [20:31] <@bz> ehsan: ack
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# [20:36] <@ehsan> bz: whoa! did I really ping you?
# [20:36] <@ehsan> who was sitting at my machine?!
# [20:37] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/aec2c980223c - Nathan Froyd - Bug 878084 - part 2 - delete BinaryInputStream constructor definition in telemetry tests; r=vladan
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# [20:37] <dholbert> now we've done it, someone finally turned ehsan crazy
# [20:37] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/ebe79f486f1c - Nathan Froyd - Bug 878084 - part 1 - move TelemetryPing to a common global variable for telemetry tests; r=vladan
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# [20:37] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/9cf0029052ce - Nathan Froyd - Bug 878084 - part 3 - factor out registering ping handlers to a common function; r=vladan
# [20:37] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/c51370f28a49 - Nathan Froyd - Bug 877706 - fix unused variable warning in PerfSpewer.cpp; r=nmatsakis
# [20:37] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/8799949f3347 - Nathan Froyd - Bug 878084 - part 4 - make telemetry tests submit to a URL with a more realistic path; r=vladan
# [20:38] <dholbert> though on the bright side, if he's got split personalities now, maybe it's like we've cloned him
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# [20:38] <Ms2ger> jst, all I can give you for your git thread is --, btw :)
# [20:39] <gregglind> bz, how far back (in firefox versions... 17?) does TextEncoder go?
# [20:40] <@bz> gregglind: let me check
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# [20:40] <Ms2ger> gregglind, Bug 764234
# [20:40] <@bz> gregglind: you're in an XPCOM component, right?
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# [20:41] <@bz> That goes back to bug 795544
# [20:41] <@bz> So 18
# [20:41] <@bz> I guess the main API does too
# [20:41] <@bz> So you'd be ok on b2g18 but not esr17
# [20:41] <Ms2ger> In so far as you can be ok on b2g18
# [20:42] <gaston> why is it that when i have time to hack on mozilla that people keep stashing code that breaks my builds...
# [20:42] <@bz> no comment
# [20:42] <Ms2ger> Oh hey, we'll be on b2g25 soon enough
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# [20:42] <gregglind> bz, yes.
# [20:42] <jesup> mccr8: opt build on windows, --disable-debug --disable-strip, run twice under debugger with ./mach mochitest-plain --debugger=path-to-windbg.exe dom/media/tests/mochitests/
# [20:43] <gregglind> thanks for looking that up.
# [20:43] <jesup> mccr8: with an opt build with --enable-debug, I ran it many times with no failures. hit on second run with --disable-debug
# [20:43] <@bz> ms2ger: are we doing the esr off 24 or 25?
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# [20:44] <Ms2ger> bz, esr should be 24
# [20:44] <Ms2ger> bz, which is why I expect b2g to go for 25
# [20:44] <@bz> ms2ger: I know that.
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# [20:44] <@bz> ms2ger: That wasn't what I asked.
# [20:44] <jwalden> bz: pretty sure he's snarking about b2g not lining up with ESRs that already get bunches of maintenance done to them
# [20:44] <@bz> jwalden: yes, I know what he's doing ;)
# [20:44] <jwalden> and that he knows nothing :-P
# [20:44] <@bz> But it was also a serious question.
# [20:44] <Ms2ger> Then what the hell are you asking? :)
# [20:44] <@bz> There was talk of shifting around when this next esr is
# [20:44] <@bz> depending on stuff
# [20:45] <gaston> Ms2ger, snaking ? you must be kidding
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# [20:45] <gaston> +r
# [20:45] <@bz> But I'm not sure whether it went anywhere
# [20:45] <jwalden> ...oh really
# [20:45] <gaston> argh xptcall breakage. srsly.
# [20:45] <jwalden> I've told at least one JS embedder that I doubted we'd shift it from 24 but could end up mistaken :-\
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# [20:46] <jwalden> that said I'd be thrilled if b2g were ESR-based
# [20:46] <gaston> is OS_TEST coming from uname or it's mangled from it ? (ie amd64 -> x86_64)
# [20:46] <@bz> jwalden: So would we all
# [20:46] <@bz> jwalden: and even more thrilled if it were based on release? ;)
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# [20:47] <Ms2ger> bz, so if what you're asking is whether I have new information that would suggest an esr25, no
# [20:47] <jwalden> let's not be hasty, Master bz ;-)
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# [20:48] <mbrubeck> So far in my testing on Windows, git is noticeably faster at "commit" (a one line change) and "log" (last 1000 commits) while hg is noticeably faster at "blame client.mk" and "status"
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# [20:48] <mbrubeck> "diff" with no changes is about equally terrible in both (~2.0 seconds)
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# [20:49] <mbrubeck> "blame" might have been an unfair test because git is searching through a more complete history.
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# [20:50] <@bz> mbrubeck: "blame" is an unfair test because git doesn't actually store it while hg does
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# [20:50] <@bz> mbrubeck: did you do the version of blame that tracks file moves or not? ;)
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# [20:51] <@bz> mbrubeck: so git blame -C
# [20:51] <@bz> mbrubeck: (hg blame follows copies/renames by default)
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# [20:52] <froydnj> gaston: OS_TEST is coming from whatever configure.in sets it to
# [20:52] <gaston> ah
# [20:53] <froydnj> gaston: which looks like it might be uname -p in some cases
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# [20:53] <gaston> right so OS_TEST is x86_64 while uname -p is amd64
# [20:53] <gaston> (on openbsd, that is)
# [20:53] <froydnj> or maybe what autoconf thinks
# [20:53] <BenWa> ehsan: for me touching a makefile + top level build only rebuilds that directory
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# [20:54] <@ehsan> BenWa: really?!
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# [20:55] <gregglind> bz: I don't understand how to use TextDecoder().decode on a string.
# [20:55] <BenWa> ehsan: changeset 4755d50e2402
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# [20:56] <Ms2ger> gregglind, that's because it doesn't work with strings
# [20:56] <@ehsan> BenWa: I don't have that in my tree yet
# [20:56] <@ehsan> BenWa: will rebase, but maybe not today, because, build times :(
# [20:56] <Ms2ger> gregglind, decode() takes bytes
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# [20:56] <@bz> gregglind: you don't
# [20:57] <gregglind> I was imprecise, sorry.
# [20:57] <@bz> gregglind: TextDecoder takes bytes as a typed array
# [20:57] <ted> gaston: i figured it out, it's in your bug
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# [20:57] <ted> just a bug in the moz.build conversion
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# [20:57] <gaston> yeah, saw that
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# [20:57] <gaston> thx for figuring it - was puzzled
# [20:57] <ted> np
# [20:57] <ted> the xptcall build files are pretty hard to read
# [20:57] <gaston> but changing for CPU_ARCH=x86 wont match x86_64 anymore
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# [20:58] <gaston> so i'm not suere placing find('x86') by that wont break other stuff
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# [20:58] <ted> well, we explicitly have other places checking for x86_64
# [20:58] <sponge> tried installing mozregression off of the mozilla.github.io link on windows 7 x64, getting pkg_resources.DistributionNotFound: python-dateutil==1.5
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# [20:58] <gaston> gotta check how netbsd patches that first
# [20:58] <gaston> to fix it properly for everyone..
# [20:58] <ted> as long as it builds on our tier 1 platforms and fixes you
# [20:59] <ted> that's good enough for me
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# [20:59] <ted> i've always hated that findstring,86,$(OS_TEST) nonsense
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# [21:00] <gaston> oh they patch it in more horrible ways, moz.build will be painful for them
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# [21:03] <jdm> sponge: maybe you have an older version of python than required?
# [21:03] <sponge> i had to easy_install the other packages manuallyb ut it looks like its running now
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# [21:03] <sponge> i think i'm on 2.7
# [21:03] <ted> gaston: they should upstream those...
# [21:04] <gaston> ted: they started, but still a long way to go :)
# [21:04] <gaston> /src/pkgsrc/devel/xulrunner/patches/ $ls | wc 74
# [21:04] <gaston> i'm down to 10 :)
# [21:04] <gaston> ted: so, rather OS_TEST=i386 or CPU_ARCH=x86 ? there's no other use of CPU_ARCH in that moz.build
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# [21:05] <ted> gaston: OS_TEST can be *86 for x86 buidls
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# [21:05] <ted> OS_TEST is horrible :-/
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# [21:05] <gaston> it's i386 on OpenBSD/i386, and x86_64 on OpenBSD/amd64. puzzling.
# [21:06] <ted> well
# [21:06] <ted> i mean, it can be i686
# [21:06] <ted> depending on what you feed configure
# [21:06] <gaston> but it's only in a NetBSD/OpenBSD/GNU case so it doesnt affect tier1
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# [21:06] <ted> yeah
# [21:06] <gaston> (i suppose uname = GNU being.... hurd ?)
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# [21:06] <ted> beats me
# [21:06] <ted> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/configure.in#1052
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# [21:07] <ted> OS_TEST is literally just $target_cpu from the configure --target option
# [21:07] <gaston> :(
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# [21:10] <JonathanS> NP_NO_CARBON always true?
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# [21:18] <sponge> alright i got a good nightly bisect, where can i find the nightly changelogs? i only saw by week. i guess i should report a bug too
# [21:19] <sponge> oh it gives it to me right in the output, stupid mingw with no copy and paste heh
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# [21:22] <gregglind> bz, sorry to pester. I cannot seem to figure out where https://gist.github.com/gregglind/5686822#file-gistfile1-js-L24 I have access to something that can be TextDecoder().decoded. A Uint8Array doesn't seem to be enough... it wants something that implements Value does not implement interface ArrayBufferView.
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# [21:23] <philor> cpeterson: probable bustage ahoy, https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=23643217&tree=Mozilla-Inbound
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# [21:24] <ted> ./whois mayhemer
# [21:25] <philor> these are not the Honzas you're looking for
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# [21:25] <ted> hah
# [21:25] <mfinkle> :)
# [21:25] * ted knows which honza is which
# [21:25] <ted> that one is not here
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# [21:26] <tbsaunde> philor: what the hell why is that build using gcc 4.5 O.O
# [21:27] <ted> because spidermonkey
# [21:27] <dcamp> ttaubert: woo, bug 453650
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# [21:28] <tbsaunde> ted: yeah figured something like that, more build config crap I should probably fix :-(
# [21:29] <ted> whee
# [21:30] <philor> sfink: look, tbsaunde just took over spidermonkey job relenging!
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# [21:31] <gaston> what, tree closing again ?
# [21:31] <philor> worked out well
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# [21:31] <philor> nah, I was going to close it because the hidden linux spidermonkey jobs burning made me thing the builds would too, but apparently it's just their bad choice of compiler
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# [21:34] <cpeterson> philor: so should my change be backed out? or is the gcc 4.5 issue spidermonkey's problem?
# [21:34] <tbsaunde> philor: nah, I have no idea why there burning, I just looked at the log and then went wtf why are they doing that
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# [21:36] <tbsaunde> philor: isn't that bustage benjamin 's fault? I thought he just checked something in tocuhing randomness stuff in the jseng
# [21:37] <tbsaunde> cpeterson: I think philor has the wrong wich
# [21:37] <cpeterson> tbsaunde: wich?
# [21:37] <philor> tbsaunde: https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/ddfd95298835 is the push it's on, seemed like a good fit to me
# [21:38] <philor> cpeterson: witch, I do the Monty Python witch hunt a lot for mysterious bustage
# [21:38] <philor> cpeterson: and by the way, do you happen to know how your weight compares to the weight of a duck?
# [21:39] <cpeterson> philor: weight(me) >> weight(duck)
# [21:39] <Ms2ger> I know for a fact that cpeterson is made of wood...
# [21:39] <philor> Ms2ger: but what about the wart?
# [21:39] <Ms2ger> I'll give him one
# [21:39] <tbsaunde> philor: yeah, I agree guess I read wrong earlier
# [21:39] <sfink> philor: awesome! :tbsaunde for reassigning all the bugs, right?
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# [21:40] <cpeterson> philor: should my push be backed out?
# [21:40] <philor> cpeterson: as long as it stays only the spidermonkey builds burning, you aren't required to back out immediately, but you should fix it or isolate it to a bad choice of compiler and then assign the bug to tbsaunde now that sfink is in the clear
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# [21:40] <sfink> \o/
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# [21:41] <cpeterson> philor, tbsaunde: ok, thanks
# [21:41] <philor> :D
# [21:42] <sfink> I think I might already have a patch lying around to pass the compiler through the twisty maze instead of hardcoding it. It was messy and not strictly necessary, so I ended up not landing it. Maybe it's time.
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# [21:43] <philor> eh, you've still got linux64 and opt mac working, that should be enough
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# [21:44] <tbsaunde> wth it builds on linux 64 spider monkey jobs but not linux 32?
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# [21:45] <tbsaunde> sfink: I'm not sure what you mean, but my plan was just s/GCDIR=/tools/gcc-4.5-0moz3/GCDIR=/tools/gcc-4.7-0moz1/
# [21:46] <sfink> tbsaunde: yeah, that's the short-term fix
# [21:46] <cpeterson> philor, tbsaunde: I have a tiny patch almost ready..
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# [21:48] <philor> is that the biggest pink pixel of death ever seen, or some sort of actual failure in printing code?
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# [21:50] <philor> 32 pixels of 137,137,137 turned into 137,255,137, certainly smells like PPoD
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# [21:50] <philor> particularly since it's in the reference image
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# [21:50] <tbsaunde> sfink: so are you going to do whatever soon or should I do that short term fix?
# [21:51] <sfink> tbsaunde: filing the bug (with patch) right now
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# [21:51] <cpeterson> philor, tbsaunde: I landed a (likely) fix for the spidermonkey build break: https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/ac913f0cde8e
# [21:51] <dholbert> philor, RESOLVED|WINXP_IS_WEIRD
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# [21:52] <sfink> huh? how is that dependent on gcc version?
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# [21:52] <sfink> er, or I *would* be filing a bug, if I could figure out how to use bzexport correctly. What idiot designed its interface?
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# [21:55] <tbsaunde> sfink: good enough for me :)
# [21:55] <RyanVM> philor: should I wait to merge inbound until the retrigger on that reftest comes back?
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# [22:21] <RyanVM> froydnj: inbound orange
# [22:21] <RyanVM> froydnj: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=23645722&tree=Mozilla-Inbound
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# [22:24] <froydnj> those tests were green on my machine :(
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# [22:25] <froydnj> new intermittent?
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# [22:26] <froydnj> bleh, happens on ubuntu too, apparently
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# [22:27] <froydnj> I don't understand why those tests would be green on my push and orange on others
# [22:27] <froydnj> but I don't see any other candidates for the orange
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# [22:30] <froydnj> wait, no gzip code involved here, just ping changes...wtf
# [22:30] <RyanVM> i've gtg, please push a fix or backout with CLOSED TREE in the commit message
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# [22:31] <froydnj> aw nuts. ok =/
# [22:31] <mbrubeck> froydnj: could it be a clobber issue? Should your IDL change have a UUID change?
# [22:31] <froydnj> mbrubeck: oh, it probably should, that's a good point
# [22:31] <mbrubeck> the win build on your push was a clobber build
# [22:31] <froydnj> that would trigger timeouts in that test, yes
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# [22:36] <jaws> joe: ping?
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# [22:36] <joe> jaws: hi
# [22:36] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/b5b3993fd079 - Nathan Froyd - Bug 878084 - part 5 - change uuid of nsITelemetryPing to fix xpcshell orange on a CLOSED TREE; r=bustage
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# [22:37] <jaws> joe: for bug 867770, does there need to be a follow-up filed to enable that pref?
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# [22:37] <joe> that's implicitly bug 717872
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# [22:38] <jaws> ok cool
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# [22:39] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/7dc7e0217be7 - Phil Ringnalda - Merge m-c to s-c
# [22:39] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/7dd88de2dcb7 - Nick Alexander - Merge m-c to s-c
# [22:39] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/7c61d02ceccc - Phil Ringnalda - Merge m-c to a CLOSED TREE s-c
# [22:40] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/8841f53d2f4a - Phil Ringnalda - Merge m-c to a CLOSED TREE s-c
# [22:40] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/a9e50005be34 - Richard Newman - Merge m-c to s-c.
# [22:40] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/62d5b0b19e3e - Richard Newman - Bug 877057 - Add a download limit to Sync Engine fetches. r=mconnor
# [22:40] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/c531be620eba - Nick Alexander - Merge m-c to s-c
# [22:40] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/e10aadd7cd92 - Phil Ringnalda - No bug, merge m-c to s-c on a CLOSED TREE
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# [22:41] <mbrubeck> Weird, why does Google Groups say my first message in https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/mozilla.dev.platform/k1MW06xRYPo is deleted?
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# [22:42] <mbrubeck> I've never seen that before.
# [22:42] <froydnj> mbrubeck: thanks for the clue *crosses fingers*
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# [22:43] <mbrubeck> I didn't even know messages in those groups *could* be deleted, given the amount of "nude teens" spam that's always there
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# [22:44] <mbrubeck> bsmedberg: any clues? ^
# [22:45] <JonathanS> mbrubeck, I seen it a lot in Android-related groups.
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# [22:51] <reuben> wth, I'm not receiving some of those messages
# [22:52] <mbrubeck> I'm reading/posting via NNTP (news.mozilla.org)
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# [22:52] <ejpbruel> !seen smaug
# [22:52] <firebot> smaug was last seen 31 minutes and 46 seconds ago, saying 'and it is 3+ months from London :)' in #content.
# [22:52] <reuben> right. I wonder if NNTP is not being mirrored on the mailing lists properly
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# [22:52] <ejpbruel> damn, just missed him
# [22:52] <ejpbruel> hsivonen_: ping
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# [22:53] <gaston> hehe, cypress is closed with 'push to inbound', and inbound is closed with 'xpcshell orange'
# [22:53] <gaston> we need another integration branch!
# [22:53] <jgilbert> central it is!
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# [22:56] <tbsaunde> mbrubeck: weird, I haven't seen any mail from you via the mailman list
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# [22:56] <nmatsakis> gavin: ping
# [22:57] <NeilAway> ooh, who got rid of dlldeps-xul.cpp?
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# [22:57] <reuben> tbsaunde: same. I think we have a NNTP -> mailman problem
# [22:57] <@smaug> ejpbruel: pong
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# [22:57] <ejpbruel> smaug: hey!
# [22:57] <ejpbruel> smaug: i was wondering if you could do me a favor
# [22:58] <@smaug> depends on what I should do :)
# [22:58] <ejpbruel> smaug: I'm working on a (fairly small) patch in the nsEventListenerManager right now, which I'm hoping to put up for r? today
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# [22:58] <ejpbruel> smaug: i will be on PTO for 3 weeks starting next week, so i was hoping to get a review for it this weekend
# [22:58] <ejpbruel> smaug: i know its weekend and all...
# [22:58] <@smaug> I'll be online still about 2h
# [22:58] <ejpbruel> smaug: which timezone?
# [22:59] <@smaug> and then tomorrow and on Sunday too...
# [22:59] <@smaug> EET
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# [22:59] <ejpbruel> smaug: ok, i might not get finished before 2h your time. would you be willing to take a look at it tomorrow? (feel free to say no)
# [22:59] <@smaug> I can take a look
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# [22:59] <@smaug> not sure about the time
# [22:59] <@smaug> depends on the weather
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# [23:00] <ejpbruel> smaug: time doesn't matter, i can spend some extra hours on sunday if i have to
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# [23:00] <ejpbruel> smaug: id greatly appreciate it. thank you :)
# [23:00] <NeilAway> oh, it moved. sadfaces
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# [23:05] <@smaug> ejpbruel: I doubt hsivonen_ will be reviewing during weekend, but I could try to look at that scriptloader patch too
# [23:05] <@smaug> tomorrow
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# [23:05] <nmatsakis> gavin: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=878291
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# [23:07] <ejpbruel> smaug: oh, that'd be great
# [23:07] <ejpbruel> smaug: its fairly simple stuff, most of it is tests
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# [23:20] <@smaug> ejpbruel: add it to my review queue.
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# [23:20] <ejpbruel> smaug: i will, soon as i finish the other patch
# [23:20] <@smaug> but perhaps keep it in hsivonen_'s queue too, for now
# [23:20] <ejpbruel> smaug: ill add both of them to your queue
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# [23:20] <ejpbruel> ok, will do
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# [23:29] <ejpbruel> smaug: we don't have chrome tests in content/events, do we?
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# [23:34] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/67b0e4327b11 - Richard Newman - Bug 858992 - Don't sync pinned bookmarks. r=nalexander, a=akeybl
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# [23:36] <@smaug> ejpbruel: based on the Makefile.in we have
# [23:37] <ejpbruel> smaug: oh i see, they don't go into a separate dir as in content/base/test
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# [23:38] <@smaug> yeah, I don't remember why they are that way in content/events
# [23:38] <ejpbruel> smaug: are event scripts compiled lazily, or when they are set?
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# [23:40] <@smaug> ejpbruel: event scripts?
# [23:40] <ejpbruel> smaug: event handler scripts, so
# [23:40] <ejpbruel> smaug: <image onload="foo()">
# [23:40] <@smaug> if you have onfoo content attribute is compiled lazily yes
# [23:41] <@smaug> ugh, bad English
# [23:41] <ejpbruel> smaug: ok, that means i need a way to trigger the event
# [23:41] <ejpbruel> thanks
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# [23:45] <gaston> hm, for a patch that got approval for aurora/beta, but in the previous train and missed it, should i reask for approval or just land in the coresponding branches ?
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# [23:46] <dholbert> gaston, probably worth re-asking approval (or at least talking to a rel-driver)
# [23:46] <dholbert> approval is sort of a time-dependent thing. e.g. if you get approval at the beginning of a cycle, it doesn't mean you can land the day before we ship
# [23:47] <dholbert> so if a significant amount of time has passed, it's worth making sure it's still valid (with a needinfo?whoever-granted-approval, at least)
# [23:47] <gaston> yeah it's been > a month
# [23:47] <gaston> (bug 846986)
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# [23:49] <@gavin> nmatsakis: looking
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