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# [00:01] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/20ce72ffb6fb - Eitan Isaacson - Bug 878409 - Fix crash in RuleCache::ApplyFilter() when accessible has no content node. r=tbsaunde
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# [00:02] <kaie> seems like zip can modify it despite the reported issue...
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# [00:03] <kaie> no, doesn't work. ok ok I'll just rebuilt it all (sigh)
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# [00:07] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/d09f920a86f6 - Olli Pettay - Bug 875252, make type=file click() to work (again) even when the element isn't in the DOM, r=jst
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# [00:08] <@roc> jlebar: do you need some help to get Thinker's process-forking stuff into central in a maintainable way?
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# [00:09] <jlebar> roc: khuey spent some time talking with thinker and cervantes when he was in Taiwan last week. I'm not sure what the results of that were, but I understood he'd be posting them in the bug today or tomorrow.
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# [00:10] <jlebar> roc: Once we have that I'll probably have a better idea of how we want to proceed? I'll definitely need help, though.
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# [00:14] <gaston> jcranmer: hmpf now c-c configure doesnt seem to generate any makefile in objdir/ldap*....
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# [00:18] <@roc> it seems like we need to do some work to make this maintainable. But the results seem super great and totally worth it
# [00:18] <bsmith> What is the current minimum GCC version?
# [00:18] <jwalden> bsmith: 4.4
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# [00:18] <bsmith> Thanks!
# [00:18] <tbsaunde> bsmith: what do you want?
# [00:19] <jwalden> 4.8, of course
# [00:19] <bsmith> I want nullptr to work without mfbt
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# [00:19] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/3073a3829090 - Brian Nicholson - Bug 878424 - Add last remaining bytes.length check for decodeByteArray(). r=mfinkle a=akeybl
# [00:19] <bsmith> but, what is the minimum thing I need to include from mfbt to get nullptr to work on GCC 4.6?
# [00:19] <tbsaunde> jwalden: meh, supporting back to 4.6 seems reasonable
# [00:19] <jwalden> tbsaunde: exaggerating, of course
# [00:20] <bsmith> In particular, we have a library that we want to share with non-Gecko projects so we don't want to add a mfbt dependency
# [00:20] <tbsaunde> ok :-)
# [00:20] <jwalden> sadly it seems nullptr existing doesn't imply std::nullptr_t will, which monkey-wrenches things too
# [00:20] <tbsaunde> bsmith: 4.6+ nothing iirc
# [00:20] <jlebar> roc: It definitely needs some work, and I'd very much welcome your input.
# [00:20] <tbsaunde> ah yes that stlport madness
# [00:20] <bsmith> Our library doesn't require nullptr_t.
# [00:21] <jwalden> nope, but people have expected nullptr => std::nullptr_t, and there's some fugliness a few places because of this :-\
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# [00:21] <bsmith> What is the current motivation for supporting GCC < 4.6, BTW?
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# [00:22] <tbsaunde> bsmith: b2g
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# [00:22] <bsmith> ok
# [00:22] <ialagenchev> Who would be a good person to go to with questions about nsContentUtils::ReportToConsole, or the web console in general?
# [00:24] <@roc> jlebar: this seems like it should be high priority. Makes FFOS much better, and we need to land it on central soon if it's going to make the next FFOS uplift
# [00:25] <jlebar> roc: I don't disagree, although I take with a lot of salt any warnings about making the next FFOS uplift. We should proceed with all due haste.
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# [00:26] <firebot> Check-in:
# [00:26] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/2637ecf28575 - Jeff Walden - Bug 496923 - Add a js/src/tests/test262 directory, empty (save for browser.js/shell.js) for the moment, so that the test262 import script can be landed separately from the
# [00:26] <firebot> batch of test import it'll perform when run. r=terrence
# [00:26] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/263ddfee9cb4 - Jeff Walden - Bug 496923 - Remove all existing test402 tests, as they're a subset of the test262 tests that we'll be piecewise-importing (and the intl402 bits will be in the first
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# [00:26] <firebot> imported batch). r=terrence
# [00:26] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/f54dd21f4747 - Jeff Walden - Bug 496923 - Initial test262 import by subsets. r=generating-script-was-reviewed
# [00:27] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/ad7990e97907 - Jeff Walden - Bug 496923 - Implement a script which clones the test262 repository and copies selected subsets of the tests into the jstests suite so that we can run them on tinderbox.
# [00:27] <firebot> r=terrence
# [00:27] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/cbcb544859dc - Jeff Walden - Bug 496923 - Skip failing Intl tests that will be in the initial test262 import, and update skips so that the Intl tests won't run when Intl isn't built. r=terrence
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# [00:28] <avih> shorlander: ping bug 863869
# [00:28] <jlebar> sicking: thanks for that comment.
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# [00:31] <gaston> jcranmer: obj/ldap/sdks/c-sdk/ldap is empty but obj/ldap/xpcom/ has some stuff
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# [00:47] <jwalden> aaargh
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# [00:47] <jwalden> maybe
# [00:48] <jwalden> :-|
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# [00:53] <jwalden> anyone, what do I do to force a clobber in our tree these days? I think that's what's happening on my current push, given the OS X build has |tar -chf - jsreftest.html shell.js browser.js js-test-driver-end.js user.js ecma/ ecma_2/ ecma_3/ ecma_3_1/ ecma_5/ ecma_6/ Intl/ js1_1/ js1_2/ js1_3/ js1_4/ js1_5/ js1_6/ js1_7/ js1_8/ js1_8_1/ js1_8_5/ test402/| in its output, but if you look at...
# [00:53] <jwalden> ...js/src/tests/Makefile.in there, it doesn't refer to test402 at all
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# [00:53] <jwalden> same is true for Fedora opt at least
# [00:53] <jwalden> just touch CLOBBER?
# [00:54] <dholbert> jwalden, where "touch" = "follow the instructions in that file", yes, I think
# [00:54] <jwalden> okay
# [00:55] <jwalden> doing that now, then
# [00:55] <jwalden> cracktastic
# [00:55] <jwalden> since when has it been the case that changing a Makefile.in wouldn't cause its Makefile to regen and actually run targets invoked in it?
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# [00:59] <dholbert> jwalden, are you sure that's the case?
# [00:59] <dholbert> jwalden, that seems busted
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# [01:01] <jwalden> dholbert: there's a list of dirs in the makefile, they feed into stage-package; I removed a dir, and its mention in the makefile, yet looking at logs the old stage-package steps that include that directory were run
# [01:01] <dholbert> jwalden, sounds like something ted might know things about
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# [01:02] <firebot> Check-in:
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# [01:02] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/6a2684fdd623 - Jeff Walden - Followup clobber for bug 496923 -- it removed a directory (and references to it in a Makefile.in), and un-regenerated Makefiles will throw a hissy-fit when the removed
# [01:02] <firebot> directory isn't around any more. r=stupid-build-system
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# [01:03] <jwir3> Ms2ger: ping?
# [01:04] <jwir3> ah, he's gone
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# [01:04] <NeilAway> gaston: jcranmer broke relative srcdir
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# [01:05] <gaston> i'm rechecking, it might also be a local problem with my checkout
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# [01:06] <NeilAway> gaston: so for instance I used to use make -f ../comm/client.mk but that breaks now
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# [01:09] <gaston> NeilAway: that was a local issue i'm pretty sure now
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# [01:16] <jwalden> so, is that clobber-push going to just sit there and not build anything? do I have to scrounge up something to push to trigger new builds to clear the redness?
# [01:16] <gaston> sacrify a chicken
# [01:16] <dholbert> jwalden, conveniently, I have a trivial remove-unused-var patch that I can push
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# [01:17] <jwalden> dholbert++
# [01:17] <dholbert> jwalden, to test the "that push doesn't know it's supposed to build anything" theory
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# [01:17] <jwalden> CLOBBER says "Modifying this file will now automatically clobber the buildbot machines \o/" which I'm not sure how to interpret, exactly
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# [01:18] <dholbert> jwalden, [pushed]
# [01:18] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/0fea1f917297 - Daniel Holbert - Bug 879029: Remove no-longer-used variable 'xpc' from nsCxPusher::DoPush. r=bholley
# [01:19] <jwalden> gentleman and a scholar
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# [01:19] <dholbert> jwalden, I think that comment just means the build machines will recognize it as needs-clobber in the same way that mach does locally
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# [01:19] <dholbert> jwalden, and will run the equivalent of ./mach clobber
# [01:19] <dholbert> jwalden, I don't think it has to do with scheduling builds
# [01:19] <nthomas> might be something going on with the buildbot db, which would explain the lack of builds on 6a2684fdd623
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# [01:21] <nthomas> nice, http://pastebin.mozilla.org/2482612
# [01:22] <nthomas> http://mxr.mozilla.org/build/source/buildbotcustom/misc.py#133
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# [01:23] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/2ad4fe30c419 - Ehsan Akhgari - Bug 879014 - Part 1: Implement the alternate enum values for PannerNode; r=roc
# [01:24] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/32172106c658 - Ehsan Akhgari - Bug 879014 - Part 2: Implement the alternate enum values for BiquadFilterNode; r=roc
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# [01:25] <@ehsan> hmm
# [01:25] <@ehsan> so it looks like jobs are not being scheduled on inbound
# [01:25] <@ehsan> known?
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# [01:26] <AndreeaM> hi jimm
# [01:26] <nthomas> I'm working with IT
# [01:26] <nthomas> would be worth closing inbound in the meantime
# [01:26] <@ehsan> nthomas: can you close the trees please?
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# [01:27] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/c588029a06fa - Charith Tangirala - Bug 864109 - Return proper error message if createOffer called with no streams r=abr
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# [01:28] <markh> jeez I hate merging. If you people could all stop making changes for the next few months it'd be great. kthx
# [01:28] <nthomas> trees closed
# [01:28] <dholbert> nthomas, thanks
# [01:29] <jimm> AndreeaM: hey
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# [01:30] <jwalden> well, on the plus side, at least my changes broke the tree in concert with something else that would have broken it, so we're saving on total bustage time ;-)
# [01:30] <AndreeaM> I have a strange behaviour when running in metro mode with the harness provided in bug 845079
# [01:30] <philor> better fix that ggc, though
# [01:30] <AndreeaM> maybe you can help me
# [01:30] <AndreeaM> the firefox lunches, I can see it in the task manager and it says so in the console as well
# [01:31] <AndreeaM> but it's hidden or something cause it's not visible
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# [01:32] <AndreeaM> jimm, do you know why this might be? maybe resolution? i'm on a vm
# [01:32] <jimm> AndreeaM: is the console you're launching from in the foreground on the desktop? (does it have focus?)
# [01:33] <AndreeaM> it has focus
# [01:34] <jimm> hmm, not sure.
# [01:35] <jimm> AndreeaM: :whimboo was working with this in a vm, have you chatted with him?
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# [01:35] <jimm> he was able to launch it via the test harness
# [01:35] <whimboo> jimm: yeah, we are sitting right next to each other
# [01:35] <whimboo> jimm: i'm not sure why it is not working for her
# [01:35] <jimm> same environment?
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# [01:36] <whimboo> it's not the same VM
# [01:36] <jimm> hmm
# [01:36] <AndreeaM> guess so, to andreieftimie it happens as well
# [01:36] <whimboo> we can see that the tests are getitng run
# [01:36] <AndreeaM> also with vm
# [01:36] <whimboo> and the nightly process has been spawned
# [01:37] <whimboo> but nothing is visible
# [01:37] <jimm> have you confirmed you can launch metrofx from the start screen manually?
# [01:37] <whimboo> opening metro via the start screen works fine
# [01:37] <whimboo> but not via metrotestharness from the desktop
# [01:38] <jduell> roc: stop looking at bug 870564. I'm pretty sure it's a necko bug.
# [01:39] <@roc> okay :-)
# [01:40] <jimm> whimboo: what vm is this?
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# [01:42] <fabrice> bsmith: what should I use instead of MD5 for manifests and packages hashes?
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# [01:43] <bsmith> fabrice: I recommend that we use SHA256
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# [01:43] <whimboo> jimm: both have created the vm most likely from the same template, my one is different
# [01:43] <whimboo> jimm: shall we file a bug for it?
# [01:44] <bsmith> fabrice: it should literally just be a matter of s/MD5/SHA256/ in the code, if/when the marketplace server makes a corresponding change to their ETag generation.
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# [01:44] <jimm> whimboo: yeah I suppose, please detail the software you're using.
# [01:44] <fabrice> bsmith: I don't care much about the Etag, since I just store them to do comparison
# [01:45] <jimm> jimm: maybe be vm related, we really haven't had any issues with this running it on windows systems.
# [01:45] <fabrice> but we'll get false positives for updates when switching
# [01:47] <bsmith> fabrice: I admit, this isn't any kind of critical issue. It is more of a nice-to-have. I am trying to get rid of all the uses of MD5 so I can remove the nsICryptoHash.MD5 footgun for more serious uses
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# [01:47] <bsmith> fabrice: we will get false positives for updates only until the server switches, right?
# [01:47] <bsmith> As long as we make the change before the release, there is no worry for end-users, right?
# [01:47] <decoder> what component do bugs in gfx/2d/ and gfx/skia belong?
# [01:48] <decoder> *to
# [01:48] <fabrice> bsmith: that won't happen before release, it's too late I think
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# [01:49] <bsmith> If that is the case then the marketplace bug can just be closed, I think.
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# [01:50] * philor considers http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/dom/tests/mochitest/webapps/test_install_app.xul#54
# [01:50] <nthomas> philor: any concerns about tbpl now ? Looks good for reopening here
# [01:51] <philor> nthomas: yeah, tbpl looks fine, as long as absolutely nothing needs a retrigger, since self-serve seems not to have gotten over its mad
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# [01:53] <philor> and "is self-serve required to have an open tree?" is one of those questions where I can take either side, but I can't like taking either side
# [01:53] <johns> sponge: you around?
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# [01:53] <sponge> johns: sup
# [01:53] <nthomas> philor: the agent for self-serve looks ok. what issues are you seeing ?
# [01:53] <nthomas> would be worth trying again
# [01:53] <philor> nthomas: https://secure.pub.build.mozilla.org/buildapi/self-serve/mozilla-inbound/rev/0fea1f917297 - 504 gateway time-out
# [01:53] <nthomas> loads for me
# [01:54] <philor> yeah, third time's the charm
# [01:55] <johns> sponge: So it looks like when we call NPP_GetValue(NPPVpluginScriptableNPObject) in the plugin, it returns a value that was not created with NPN_CreateObject. When we're in OOP plugin mode, NPN_CreateObject is needed to keep track of plugin children, and without it we run into several issues
# [01:55] <philor> trees are open, let's try to improve on that pathetic showing so far today - we barely even managed to get three simultaneous bustages, and not that for long
# [01:55] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/a52b59291870 - Mark Hammond - Bug 878690 - Use FormHistory.jsm for the Safari profile migrator. r=mak
# [01:55] <johns> sponge: We then hit errors in our object map trying to cleanup the plugin, so it never gets NPP_Destroy, it seems
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# [01:56] <philor> though the length of time without a single completely unbroken cset is pretty impressive
# [01:56] <nthomas> blarg, finished builds is still stale
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# [01:57] <sponge> johns: is that only with values intended to be returned to the browser? i have no idea how often we're doing/not doing that
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# [01:57] <philor> oh well, finished never has anything good to say
# [01:57] <nthomas> should be fixed in a couple of mins
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# [01:58] <johns> sponge: I think we expect any NPObject value passed into NPN_* to be created with NPN_CreateObject
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# [01:59] <mib_ir95w5> Hello,I got some problem when I build mozilla with ./match build on window 7
# [01:59] <mib_ir95w5> It says ImportError: DLL load failed: %1 is not a valid Win32 application.
# [01:59] <johns> sponge: I'm not sure why it just started not working now. The change that seems to have caused it moves where we ask for the scriptable object in the plugin setup sequence
# [01:59] <philor> maybe it's just selection bias that makes me think webapps tests are about nothing except "foo = Date.now(); a = 5; bar = Date.now(); ok(foo <= bar);" because that breaks so much, and I only look at the broken things
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# [01:59] <sponge> johns: i don't think we've ever worked with ipc enabled, is it just that's the default now?
# [02:00] <johns> sponge: I think that's been the default since before 21, though I could be wrong
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# [02:01] <mib_ir95w5> I'm sure that I put python path in my PATH
# [02:01] <mib_ir95w5> can anybody help me?
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# [02:03] <jduell> jdm: ping
# [02:03] <jdm> jduell: pong
# [02:03] <@bz> ryanvm: ping
# [02:03] <avih> in citadel/html5, does anyone know why I get higher benchmark results when using the IGPU (IB i7) HD4000 than using nvidia g650m? (58/46 fps respectively). settings seem to be the same for both runs (1536x864, high performance)
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# [02:03] <jduell> jdm: you gonna be around for a little while? I could throw a review your way
# [02:03] <sponge> johns: hm i don't see any instances of "createobject" in our plugin code at all, that can't be good :|
# [02:03] <jdm> jduell: absolutely.
# [02:03] <@bz> or anyone who knows what "ba+" means?
# [02:04] <philor> I could make things up...
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# [02:04] * @bz is looking at https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=878509#c26
# [02:04] <@bz> And this is the first I've heard of this "ba+" thing
# [02:04] <johns> sponge: Stepping through this it looks like we do actually call into your object's destroy() method at one point, though we get lost (I think) before we call deallocate()
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# [02:05] <jwalden> bz: branch approval?
# [02:06] <philor> no, I think binary approval, lemme search some
# [02:06] <@bz> ah
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# [02:06] <akeybl> bz: binary approval
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# [02:06] <@bz> then ryanvm is just on crack
# [02:06] * @bz comments
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# [02:06] <akeybl> bz: the hook might be on crack
# [02:06] <akeybl> commit hook script
# [02:06] <@bz> ih
# [02:07] <@bz> could be too
# [02:07] <@bz> it thinks .webidl changes need ba+?
# [02:07] <@bz> Because .. they don't.
# [02:07] <@bz> I'd think
# [02:07] <sponge> johns: hm :\ originally, i looked in chrome at the highest place in the callstack that was in our code in destroy, put a breakpoint there, and never hit it in 21
# [02:08] * KWierso would've guessed "blood-alcohol+"...
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# [02:08] <philor> no, that's true of any landing on beta, no point in having a special flag
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# [02:08] <akeybl> bz: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=813809
# [02:09] <akeybl> maybe there needs to be a followup bug assigned to lsblakk
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# [02:09] <mccr8> > if file.endswith('idl'):
# [02:09] <mccr8> bz: should be '.idl' I think..
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# [02:09] <mccr8> as .webidl does indeed end with idl ;)
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# [02:10] <@bz> mccr8: ah, yeah, that's busted
# [02:10] <jwalden> I'm sure firebot would be happy to review/approve that change for you
# [02:10] <@bz> ok
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# [02:10] <mccr8> I can file a bug
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# [02:11] <@bz> please
# [02:11] <@bz> cc me?
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# [02:12] <mccr8> ayup
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# [02:16] <johns> sponge: Putting a break here on plugin-container: http://dxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/dom/plugins/ipc/PluginModuleChild.h#l417
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# [02:16] <johns> sponge: Shows us call it, but without quakelive symbols I can't verify that mFunctions.destroy is pointing to the right spot
# [02:17] <mccr8> filed bug 879086
# [02:17] <mccr8> for the .webidl problem
# [02:17] <sponge> johns: is that from the last nightly or from 21 retail? i don't know if there's any chance it started working again, is there?
# [02:18] <johns> sponge: That's from a nightly. I can still reproduce the "An instance is already running" issue, however
# [02:19] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/9be2c9347b07 - Cameron McCormack - Bug 876186 - Don't do anything with fill-rule on SVG text. r=longsonr
# [02:20] <sponge> ah ok. ugh :|
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# [02:21] <Yuhong> Mozilla people: Can you look at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5815906 and my responses?
# [02:21] <sponge> is it a lot of effort to get at least the source tree if not building it myself on windows? assuming it even builds in vs2005
# [02:22] <sponge> i can prob give it a shot stepping from there and seeing what happens
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# [02:25] <dholbert> Yuhong, cpeterson is the guy who started that thread; maybe you want his feedback?
# [02:25] <johns> sponge: You can use the symbol server for nightly builds, or getting the source is just a matter of checking out the repo with mercurial: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/
# [02:25] <sponge> this kind of systems stuff is where my knowledge ends though. i see its setting the function pointer inside NP_GetEntryPoints, and i'm guessing the other entry points are working, so if there's some crazy threading or inter-process stuff going on i don't think i'll be able to recognize it
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# [02:25] <Yuhong> Anyone who is familiar with the Windows build system at Mozilla.
# [02:25] <dholbert> Yuhong & cpeterson: er, s/who started that thread/who's at the root of the sub-thread that you linked/
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# [02:26] <johns> sponge: Well if you attach to plugin-container.exe you're seeing the process/thread that's interacting with your plugin
# [02:26] <cpeterson> Yuhong: I posted that comment but you might want to contact ehsan if you have more information.
# [02:26] <nthomas> sponge: vs2005 is no longer supported, https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Developer_Guide/Build_Instructions/Windows_Prerequisites
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# [02:26] <dholbert> Yuhong, you might want #build
# [02:27] <dholbert> Yuhong, those folks and khuey are the people who I remember having some knowledge about this
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# [02:29] <Yuhong> I think I am correct, but...
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# [02:30] <khuey> reading this thread
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# [02:30] <sponge> johns: wtf i don't know how i missed this but just tried it on my home pc and its hitting the breakpoint inside npp_destroy now. looks like the data its getting from the NPP instance might be bad, looking into it in a sec
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# [02:32] <mbrubeck> Yuhong: Do you know if your proposed solution works when using PGO's link-time optimization?
# [02:32] <johns> sponge: Looking at possible culprits, one of the issues the object error was causing would've caused plugin-container to crash on shutdown in FF20, but should be in the Jan 16 nightly, outside of your regression range
# [02:34] <Yuhong> Not sure, hasn't tried it. ryanmolden was the one who originally proposed the idea.
# [02:34] <sponge> johns: alright so we just do reference counting to determine if the mutex needs to be released. just opening the pag and then browsing away, the reference count is 3. the only place we increase the reference count is in npp_new. so if npp_new's behavior has changed (going to throw some breakpoints and see where its hitting from) then that would explain why this broke even though npp_destryo is properly being called
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# [02:35] <sponge> oh looks like GetValue increases the counter too
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# [02:35] <RyanVM|afk> bz_away: I'll put down my crack pipe now
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# [02:36] <khuey> Yuhong: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5816996
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# [02:36] <sponge> i must've just hit the process or vs2005 didn't want to load the symbols or something dumb when i first hooked the debugger to it
# [02:37] <RyanVM> akeybl: I'm not going to do more uplifts tonight, but I'll get that patch first thing in the morning, so I should be well ahead of the deadline
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# [02:37] <Yuhong> I wasn't sure if the PGO was an issue, so thanks.
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# [02:37] <RyanVM> akeybl: I'll just fake a ba= on it for now
# [02:38] <khuey> yes, without pgo it's all fine
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# [02:39] <khuey> btw everybody should go upvote that
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# [02:40] <@dolske> nah, I'll just reply with something about how NaCl will be so much better.
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# [02:41] <sponge> lol for how much problems we've had with this plugin i am so thankful we're not trying to hit the moving target that is nacl
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# [02:43] <sponge> johns: did you say i should be able to attach to firefox.exe and get breakpoints on plugin-container? i can't seem to get attached early enough in the plugin init
# [02:43] <sponge> i guess i could throw an assert in there
# [02:44] <tbsaunde> dolske: no no you should advocat clrnacl
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# [02:48] <khuey> mbrubeck++
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# [02:49] <khuey> moco mtg notes are the best thing ever
# [02:49] <mbrubeck> You're welcome!
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# [02:52] <Yuhong> I forgot to mention that it would be a good idea for the JIT to be disabled for 64-bit Windows until it is fixed to conform to the Windows x64 ABI, including all the needed function tables.
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# [02:54] <Yuhong> Unrelated, but...
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# [02:55] <khuey> you should probably bring that up on the js engine mailing list
# [02:55] <khuey> I don't really know anything about that unfortunately
# [02:55] <Yuhong> I am again talking about the build system.
# [02:55] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/1a995e362a3f - Robert O'Callahan - Bug 874295. Fix viewport tests. r=mbrubeck
# [02:56] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/53d19f2381c4 - Robert O'Callahan - Bug 874295. On non-Android platforms (and eventually for Android), use call GetDefaultScale instead of GetDevicePixelsPerMetaViewportPixel. r=mbrubeck
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# [02:57] <khuey> the JIT not conforming to the x64 ABI doesn't have much to do with the build system, afaict
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# [02:58] <Yuhong> Yes, but the build system should be configured not to enable the JIT until it does.
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# [02:59] <Yuhong> See https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=844196#c4
# [02:59] <sponge> johns: i'm having some probs getting this debugging right, gonna give it a shot tomorrow. apologies for the inaccurate bug report, gonna try and narrow it down what's being called differently tomorrow
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# [03:01] <khuey> thanks for the link
# [03:01] <Yuhong> otherwise bad things can happen if SEH is used.
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# [03:02] <tbsaunde> mbrubeck++
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# [03:06] <tbsaunde> mbrubeck: want to remind me where the notes go?
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# [03:09] <philor> in the basket
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# [03:11] <@ted> philor: did you trigger all those respins on my try push for bug 870002 ?
# [03:11] <philor> ted: good guess usually, but not this time
# [03:12] <@ted> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=25f0a25a7a29
# [03:12] <@ted> not sure who did, but it's alarmingly green
# [03:12] <@ted> i just requested like 10 more ru ns
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# [03:15] <@roc> it is often difficult to reproduce
# [03:15] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/0afc6a9002c5 - Bas Schouten - Bug 829954 - Part 1: Make AlignedArray fallible. r=jrmuizel
# [03:15] <@ted> roc: even on try?
# [03:15] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/ff382b7f221e - Bas Schouten - Bug 829954 - Part 2: Check for allocation success inside AlphaBoxBlur::Blur. r=jrmuizel
# [03:15] <@roc> yes
# [03:15] <@ted> 31 runs so far and no orange
# [03:16] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/4e647fb5ac5d - Anton Kovalyov - Bug 849206. r=benwa, a=lsblakk
# [03:16] <@ted> picked an arbitrary run, grepped vsize out of the about:memory output: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/2482945
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# [03:16] <@ted> wonder if loading about:memory so many times changes our GC behavior
# [03:17] <khuey> well it generates more garbage
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# [03:18] <@ted> true
# [03:18] <@ted> but not like mochitest needs help with that
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# [03:19] <thinker> roc: Cervantes is cleaning up the code to make it can be built for every platform on try-servers, since he forget to mark out conditional on some code before.
# [03:19] <@roc> khuey: closing pages triggers CC runs doesn't it?
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# [03:20] <@roc> thinker: cool. It sounded like threads were going to be a problem too
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# [03:20] <khuey> roc: probably yes
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# [03:20] <khuey> roc: I'm not sure if it's unconditional but it certainly helps get CCs going
# [03:20] <@ted> hm
# [03:20] <@ted> so if this made us CC more it could theoretically wallpaper over a leak that would cause us to OOM?
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# [03:21] <khuey> if the leak is caused by us failing to collect garbage, yes
# [03:21] <@ted> mmm
# [03:21] <@ted> i guess i could fiddle this patch to open about:memory in a tab and leave it open
# [03:22] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/13d9cc0d5428 - Marco Bonardo - Bug 874407 - New visits are inserted incorrectly in the Library and the sidebar treeviews. r=Mano, a=lsblakk
# [03:22] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/3e017e6d6b47 - Andrea Marchesini - Bug 874090 - Crash in mozilla::dom::Notification::GetPermissionInternal. r=wchen, a=lsblakk
# [03:22] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/2c09308b4015 - Ms2ger - Bug 878509 - Restore the HTMLImageElement.lowsrc, x, y attributes that were unintentionally removed. r=smaug, a=akeybl, ba=bogus
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# [03:22] <@ted> will look at that tomorrow if i don't see any orange on these test runs
# [03:22] <khuey> you do know that about:memory doesn't take measurements on load anymore right?
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# [03:23] <thinker> roc: what kind is the problem? "mark out conditional" does not mean to mark threads, I mean to mark out code at compiling time since some functions or methods are not implemented for platforms except gonk.
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# [03:23] <@bz> khuey: fwiw, you suck at taking days off.
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# [03:23] <@bz> khuey: just in case you didn't know. ;)
# [03:24] <khuey> bz: I'm well aware of that :-/
# [03:24] <khuey> bz: I've found that anything less than a week doesn't work out too well
# [03:24] <@bz> khuey: we should have a support group for that stuff
# [03:24] <@bz> khuey: I've found that a day works ok, but anything over two days doesn't for me
# [03:24] <@bz> khuey: I get antsy
# [03:24] <khuey> also taking a week off and staying in SF fails too because I don't have much else to do here
# [03:24] <@ted> heh
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# [03:25] <@dbaron> Go do touristy things all day :-)
# [03:25] <jwalden> bz: you just need to vacation somewhere more remote, is all
# [03:25] <@ted> usually when i have a day off i have the kids around, so i don't have time to work
# [03:25] <jwalden> the JMT is an excellent place to do no work
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# [03:26] <khuey> bz: I did stay away from 8-5ish
# [03:26] <jwalden> ...
# [03:26] <@bz> jwalden: being more remote doesn't stop the withdrawal symptoms
# [03:27] <jimb> So, *is* there any standard way, in XPCOM land, to log an error nsresult, when one can't propagate it to one's caller?
# [03:27] <@bz> jwalden: just makes it impossible to get a hit. ;)
# [03:27] <jimb> (My caller is the IPDL event dispatcher; returning false causes the app to quit, which is more dramatic than necessary.)
# [03:27] <jwalden> bz: cold turkey works for lots of people
# [03:27] <khuey> jimb: if (NS_FAILED(rv)) {
# [03:27] <@bz> jwalden: It's crossed my mind a few times over the years
# [03:27] <khuey> NS_WARNING("FML");
# [03:27] <khuey> return;
# [03:27] <khuey> }
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# [03:28] <jimb> khuey: Does NS_WARNING go to the console?
# [03:28] <@bz> unless jimb meant log to the browser console
# [03:28] <@bz> jimb: goes to stderr
# [03:28] <khuey> jimb: does "the console" mean the terminal?
# [03:28] <khuey> or some frontend thing?
# [03:28] * jwalden feels no guilty about half-vacationing, when his full vacations tend to be so completely off-grid as they are
# [03:28] <khuey> answers are yes and no respectively
# [03:28] <jwalden> s/ty/t/
# [03:28] <jimb> khuey: Some front-end thing, ideally.
# [03:29] <@bz> jimb: if you're in DOM-ish code....
# [03:29] <@bz> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/content/base/public/nsContentUtils.h#752
# [03:29] <jwalden> although, to be honest, I thought my last one wasn't off-grid enough, not as much as I'd have liked
# [03:29] <@bz> Though at that point you really should be making it localized, etc
# [03:29] <jwalden> stupid cell phone and net connection on it
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# [03:29] <jwalden> even if an edgy connection
# [03:30] <jimb> khuey: I might be trying to right un-rightable wrongs here. It's standard practice in firefox for things that call listeners or observers to just ignore errors from the listener/observer. I'd like to try to do better...
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# [03:30] <jimb> khuey: I don't have a document; so it might not be DOM-ish enough.
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# [03:30] <khuey> yeah without knowing more about what you're doing I can't really advise
# [03:31] <khuey> and I'm supposed to be on vacation today ;-)
# [03:31] <jimb> khuey: Hey, you answered me! :D
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# [03:31] <khuey> jimb: hence the supposed to be
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# [03:32] <jimb> I'm adding a way to start an XPCOM service in a content child process. I'd like to get the nsresult of the do_GetService call back to the parent.
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# [03:32] <jimb> I've made a stink about tossing uncaught exceptions in the debugger code, because that practice wastes a lot of my time when I'm trying to test.
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# [03:33] <jimb> (i.e. it takes me 15 minutes to find a typo when simply printing the error message would let me fix it in 10 seconds.)
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# [03:33] <RyanVM> bz: <3
# [03:33] <jimb> So, here I am making sure I can propagate a success result back to the parent; that's all cool.
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# [03:33] <jimb> But naturally, the listener for that result also returns its own nsresult.
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# [03:34] <@bz> Is anyone else seeing today's moco meeting on airmozilla?
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# [03:34] <@bz> RyanVM: ?
# [03:34] <jimb> And naturally, those listeners will be written in JS, where I might make typos that the compiler won't catch.
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# [03:34] <khuey> why would you watch the mtg when you can read the notes?
# [03:34] <RyanVM> bz: I put down my pipe and landed Ms2ger's patch on beta.
# [03:34] <@bz> RyanVM: Thanks. Sorry about the accusation of smoking things....
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# [03:35] <@bz> RyanVM: didn't realize you were just faced with a bogus commit hook
# [03:35] <jimb> So I'm in a Recv__delete__ message handler called by the IPDL event loop, which takes 'false' to mean 'please die'.
# [03:35] <@bz> khuey: well
# [03:35] <@bz> khuey: 1) I like the Gary parts
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# [03:35] <@bz> khuey: 2) I'm supposed to vote on some survey thing by tomorrow based on something at the meeting, apparently?
# [03:35] <RyanVM> bz: but you'll miss the important voting stuff!!!
# [03:35] <@roc> why haven't I received these notes?
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# [03:36] <@bz> yeah, that too
# [03:36] <@bz> I have no idea where these notes are
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# [03:36] <khuey> https://intranet.mozilla.org/StaffMeeting/2013-06-03
# [03:36] <RyanVM> i was a bit disappointed at some of the topics that were cut due to lack of time today
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# [03:37] <khuey> roc: I think mbrubeck stopped blasting all@ at some point
# [03:37] <@gavin> bz: "supposed to" is a bit strong
# [03:38] <@bz> (not that it's clear they _want_ votes, given the timing)
# [03:38] <@bz> gavin: well, sure. ;)
# [03:38] <@roc> interesting
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# [03:43] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/4bd2726de258 - Ehsan Akhgari - Bug 876194 - Remove 660451-1.html because we have another copy of it in the tree (656130-2.html)
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# [03:51] <RyanVM> roc: ping
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# [03:55] <@roc> hi
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# [03:57] <mbrubeck> roc, khuey: For a while Mardi was sending out links to the notes along with recording info after the meetings; I'll see if she can take that up again. For now you can follow me on Yammer or "watch" the intranet page.
# [03:58] <@roc> thanks
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# [04:00] <shu> uh oh, what's up with try? or is it just me
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# [04:00] <shu> it's been hung for about 30s now
# [04:01] <philor> bkero: and so it returns...
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# [04:04] <RyanVM> roc: sorry, missed your reply :) - I was wondering if there was an eta on the mozLoadFrom removal that I can include in my OF update tomorrow
# [04:04] <philor> fun, ehsan has a leak on aurora
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# [04:04] <@roc> no
# [04:04] <@roc> I should just do it
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# [04:04] <RyanVM> DO EET!
# [04:04] <RyanVM> :)
# [04:04] <philor> ehsan, who had leaks on trunk until trunk stopped using the old rev-3 slaves
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# [04:04] <RyanVM> roc: but you think that's the root cause of the various iX media failures we've got on file?
# [04:05] <@roc> no
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# [04:05] <@roc> we'll remove the mozLoadFrom test but the underlying functionality is still there
# [04:06] <@roc> just not exposed through that API
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# [04:06] <tbsaunde> RyanVM: so we haven't seen bug 873667 even once since almost two weeks ago? that's pretty odd...
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# [04:07] <RyanVM> tbsaunde: I was thinking the same thing today while starring an IonBuilder crash on another tree
# [04:07] <tbsaunde> heh
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# [04:08] <philor> oh, that's not ehsan leaking, that's subtst_contextmenu.html suddenly springing a leak on aurora, nice
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# [04:14] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/71f7b5bd072b - Shu-yu Guo - Bug 878038 - Fix stack mismatch when inlining rest args in Ion. (r=djvj)
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# [04:17] <njn> well that was interesting... I opened a 12 MiB PNG in Firefox and it took down my whole machine
# [04:17] <njn> the only thing that worked was the mouse cursor; I had to ssh in from another machine to shutdown
# [04:17] <njn> but Opera handles the file fine :/
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# [04:17] <RyanVM> njn: don't suppose this would help - 878062
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# [04:19] <njn> RyanVM: possibly, though I'm uninclined to test :(
# [04:19] <njn> I've rebooted twice now
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# [04:21] <gaston> njn: i have our X developer her ecomplaining about the same issue :)
# [04:21] <njn> gaston: interesting
# [04:22] <gaston> but taht's with releases since 17 or 18, not a regression from trunk
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# [04:22] <@bz> njn: Maybe opera doesn't try to store the uncompressed version of the image over on the X server?
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# [04:22] <gaston> that _is_ the issue we're having and complaining about
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# [04:23] <gaston> storing everything in the X server doesnt seem to go so well ..
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# [04:42] <@roc> i.e. using X for anything but the final window draw is a mistake
# [04:42] <@roc> unfortunately that doesn't work too well if you want to support GTK2 themes
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# [05:13] <jlebar|away> NS_RUNTIME_ABORT aborts in release builds, right?
# [05:14] <jlebar|away> it looks like it, but the header is vague...
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# [05:15] <jdm> it does
# [05:16] <@dbaron> well, NS_RUNTIMEABORT does :-)
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# [05:18] <shu> is that os x red on inbound a known issue or my fault? the error message reads like some kind of infra failure
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# [05:21] <philor> shu: it's a sign of our unwillingness to either give up on ancient dead things, or improve them
# [05:21] <shu> philor: less cryptic please :)
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# [05:23] <philor> the entire concept of those leak tests relies on builds being done by a single machine, as they were in 1998 - you would push to CVS, and a machine named something like binus would build a Linux debug build on your push, and upload a leak log, and then I would push to CVS, and binus would build a Linux debug build on my push, and download your leak log, and compare that "previous leak log" to mine
# [05:23] <shu> okay, so far so good
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# [05:24] <philor> now, maybe 20 build slaves are building OS X debug at once, all uploading logs to the same place to be the "previous log" for any build which finishes after them, whether or not the build that finishes after them is in any sense other than wall-clock after
# [05:25] <philor> all uploading logs to the same place, and there's no reason to believe that they aren't uploading at the same time, and that there isn't something or several somethings downloading at the same time that multiple things are uploading over the top of each other
# [05:25] <shu> -_-
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# [05:27] <philor> okay, who is leaking audio on aurora?
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# [05:28] <philor> jesup: can't be you, can it?
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# [05:31] <firebot> Check-in:
# [05:31] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/15b8156f48ef - Robert O'Callahan - Bug 877135. Remove HTMLMediaElement::mozLoadFrom since it's nonstandard and no longer needed (setting 'src' to another element's 'currentSrc' works just as well).
# [05:31] <firebot> r=doublec
# [05:31] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/b2050e90eb6f - Robert O'Callahan - Bug 786064. Part 1: Pass aFlags through VectorImage::Draw; FLAG_CLAMP is especially important to avoid taking a deathly-slow tiling path. r=joedrew
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# [05:39] <philor> "TEST-UNEXPECTED-FAIL | | /* Any copyright is dedicated to the Public Domain."
# [05:39] <philor> well played, someone's debug spew!
# [05:40] <shu> i didn't know you could dedicate copyright
# [05:41] <shu> what does that even mean
# [05:41] <philor> http://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/
# [05:42] <philor> our boilerplate for licensing tests
# [05:42] <philor> though apparently the xpcshell harness agrees with you that it's meaningless, since it called it an unexpected-fail
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# [05:51] <kk1fff> When I use an NS_ConvertUTF16toUTF8, is it possible to check if it fails?
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# [05:53] <@bz> kk1fff: heh
# [05:53] <@bz> kk1fff: fails in the sense of out of memory, or in the sense of the input not being valid UTF-16?
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# [05:55] * @bz is pretty sure the former is fatal and the latter asserts...
# [05:55] <@bz> or something
# [05:55] <kk1fff> bz: both, or maybe other reason that makes it fail. is it possible to tell if this string is valid?
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# [05:57] <kk1fff> bz: okay... so it won't result an invalid utf8 string. I see.
# [05:57] <kk1fff> bz: thanks!
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# [06:12] <jduell> So now when I push to try my mercurial queue patch becomes "immutable" and I can't pop it off? WTF?
# [06:13] <ehugg> https://wiki.mozilla.org/ReleaseEngineering/TryServer#hg_phases
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# [06:13] <jduell> ehugg: yup, thanks.
# [06:13] <philor> except in theory it was going to be marked non-publishing so you wouldn't need to do that anymore, after Saturday's upgrade
# [06:14] <philor> oh, but it didn't
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# [06:50] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/1cdf2076eb73 - Timothy Nikkel - Bug 878612. Passing through the background painting flags in all cases means we follow the same path more often, which asserted before, so we need to bump the assertion
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# [07:19] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/fc8db1394a23 - Nicholas Cameron - Bug 878522. Don't permit Azure/content/Cairo on Linux. r=kentuckyfriedtakahe
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# [07:24] <karl> Dwarf Error: Could not find abbrev number 16528 [in module /mnt/sda10/karl/obj/dist/bin/libxul.so]
# [07:24] <karl> i guess that is why breakpoints are not working
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# [07:48] <nrc> what do I need to do to get changes to xul into my executable? Running make in the directory doesn't seem to do it
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# [07:55] <khuey> nrc: did you remake in toolkit/library?
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# [07:57] <nrc> khuey: I did not, thought I only had to do that if I need to rebuild the shared libraries
# [07:57] <nrc> (I assumed xul doesn't live there, perhaps wrongly)
# [07:58] <khuey> that's where libxul.so is linked ...
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# [07:58] <nrc> are xul source files linked into libxul?
# [07:59] <nrc> it now works in any case, thanks!
# [07:59] <khuey> what are xul source files?
# [07:59] <khuey> are we talking about .xul files?
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# [07:59] <nrc> blah.xml
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# [07:59] <khuey> ah, those don't go in the executable
# [08:00] <khuey> I forget the details but a top-level make chrome should be more than sufficient
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# [08:56] <KWierso|Home> sankha93: file a bug in mozilla.org::Repository Account Requests ?
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# [09:44] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/f7ddec3461a7 - Randell Jesup - Bug 876878: null out pointer for GetFrameRateList r=bas a=akeybl
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# [09:53] <nrc> jaws: ping?
# [09:54] <jaws> nrc: pong, but about to go to bed
# [09:55] <nrc> jaws: just a quick question - do you remember doing the css for findBar?
# [09:55] <jaws> nrc: the animation? yes
# [09:56] <nrc> jaws: yeah, the transitions, why is the delay on [hidden] rather than the base css selector?
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# [09:56] <jaws> because we don't want to show the transition when switching tabs
# [09:56] <jaws> nrc: ^
# [09:56] <jaws> iirc, it may take me a few minutes to verify
# [09:57] <jaws> nrc: that's the wrong answer, i know why now
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# [09:58] <jaws> nrc: it's because transition-delay defaults to 0s, in the case of showing it, we want to switch from visibility: collapse to visibility:visible immediately. but in the case of hiding, we want to delay switching from visibility:visible to visibility:collapse until after the other properties have finished their interpolation
# [09:59] <nrc> jaws: that makes sense, thank you!
# [09:59] <jaws> no problem! :)
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# [09:59] <nrc> good night!
# [09:59] <jaws> thanks, it's quite late here. 4am :P
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# [10:00] <nrc> ouch, def. bed time :-)
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# [10:08] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/609de2f93690 - Geoff Lankow - Bug 874363 - The timeline header in the Netmonitor should be clickable; r=vporof
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# [10:35] <darktrojan> gives me something to look at while waiting hours for a build
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# [10:48] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/b75dec2837c4 - Takeshi Kurosawa - Bug 878567 Remove unused if block from implicit landmark role handling, r=tbsaunde
# [10:48] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/6fba29e7f379 - Max Li - Bug 856325 - We do not support double-tap and hold in web content to bring up an item's context menu, r=eeejay
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# [10:58] <MikeLing> Hi,I meet some problem when I build source code on window 7
# [10:58] <Ms2ger> 331.34 MB (39.25%) -- ghost/window(resource://pdf.js/web/viewer.html)
# [10:58] <MikeLing> when I use python make.py it goes wrong and tell me ImportError: DLL load failed:%1 is not a valid Win32 application
# [10:58] <MikeLing> But I'm pretty sure I put python path in my PATH
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# [10:59] <MikeLing> Can anybody help me? Thanks a lot :)
# [11:00] <Gijs> MikeLing: what does python --version say?
# [11:00] <MikeLing> 2.7.4
# [11:01] <MikeLing> Gijs:2.7.4
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# [11:02] <Gijs> MikeLing: are you using mozillabuild?
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# [11:03] <MikeLing> Gijs: Here is s my system path about python ->C:\mozilla-build\python;D:\Python32\python;D:\Python27;C:\mozilla-build\svn-win32-1.6.3\bin;C:\mozilla-build\wget;C:\mozilla-build\7zip\Codecs
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# [11:03] <MikeLing> Gijs:yes I follow the guide step by step
# [11:03] <Gijs> Huh, but you already have other python libraries in your path?
# [11:04] <MikeLing> Gijs:yes
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# [11:04] <Gijs> Are you using the start-... bat files that come with mozillabuild?
# [11:04] <Gijs> Because then I don't know. :(
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# [11:05] <Gijs> the windows build prerequisites page says: "The build may fail if you have a PYTHON environment variable set. You will see an error almost immediately that says "The system cannot find the file specified". In a cmd-shell typing "SET PYTHON=" before running mozilla build tools in that same shell should fix this."
# [11:05] <Gijs> so you could try that as well.
# [11:05] <Gijs> MikeLing: ^
# [11:06] <MikeLing> Gijs:wait
# [11:06] <MikeLing> Gijs:I found in mozillabuild the python version wasn't correct
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# [11:07] <MikeLing> I am sorry,It shows Unknown option: -e usage: c:\mozilla-build\python\python.exe [option] ... [-c cmd | -m mod | file | -] [arg] ...
# [11:08] <MikeLing> Gijs:I think mozillabuild can't find the python dll path. But I had put it in my PATH
# [11:09] <Gijs> MikeLing: I think you want to use the start-... bat files to make sure you have a shell with an appropriate path. :)
# [11:10] <Gijs> If you want you can always then copy the path and other shell settings to another bat file so you can use it with your shell of choice, but that'd be the easiest way to get to a working build environment
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# [11:12] <MikeLing> Gijs:you mean I should put the start-msvc10.bat into my system path?
# [11:12] <Gijs> MikeLing: no, I mean you should run it. :)
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# [11:13] <MikeLing> but I'm running it
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# [11:13] <MikeLing> :(
# [11:14] <Gijs> Ah, you're already in a shell created by the bat file?
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# [11:14] <nrc> so I'm writing a test and I have to wait for a transition to finish before taking a snapshot. Say the transition duration is 150ms, the actual amount I need to wait is some number of ms > 150 (in this case, 151 is not enough, 200 is OK). Is there a best practice for how long I should wait?
# [11:14] <Gijs> nrc: why not use transitionend?
# [11:14] <MikeLing> Gijs:yes but it still can't find my python path
# [11:14] <Gijs> MikeLing: Then... I don't know. Your best bet might be asking when more people in US timezones are around. Sorry.
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# [11:15] <nrc> Gijs: I don't have easy access to the element. I will try and get it, but if not...
# [11:15] <MikeLing> Gijs:I see.But still thank you about your help
# [11:15] <MikeLing> Gijs::)
# [11:15] <Gijs> nrc: yeah, the thing is, setTimeout is notoriously unreliable and will cause intermittents and stuff. :(
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# [11:15] <nrc> sadness
# [11:16] <Gijs> nrc: does transitionend not bubble/capture? (I don't know!)
# [11:16] <nrc> guess I'll try to root out that element
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# [11:16] <Gijs> if it does, that might help even if you can't easily find that element.
# [11:16] <nrc> Gijs: I don't know
# [11:16] <nrc> good idea, thanks!
# [11:16] <Gijs> provided you can tell it apart when you do get it as the event.target :)
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# [11:18] <edmorley> darktrojan: test failure
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# [11:19] <edmorley> 02:02:16 WARNING - TEST-UNEXPECTED-FAIL | chrome://mochitests/content/browser/browser/devtools/netmonitor/test/browser_net_timeline_ticks.js | An timeline label should be displayed when the frontend is opened.
# [11:19] <darktrojan> edmorley, damn!
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# [11:20] <darktrojan> pull it if you've got the tip handy, I'm in the middle of a build
# [11:20] <edmorley> darktrojan: sure :-)
# [11:21] <darktrojan> that test must be new
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# [11:22] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/b5cd7757cba6 - Ed Morley - Backed out changeset 609de2f93690 (bug 874363) for failures in browser_net_timeline_ticks.js
# [11:23] <Gijs> darktrojan: originally May 5th, updated May 24th, so "sort of", I guess.
# [11:23] <@smaug> oh, bsmedberg has fixed status board
# [11:23] <@smaug> thanks
# [11:23] <darktrojan> newer than my previous build!
# [11:23] <Gijs> :)
# [11:24] <darktrojan> if I didn't have to wait 2 hours to get a working build, these things wouldn't happen
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# [11:27] <Gijs> darktrojan: windows?
# [11:28] <darktrojan> old hardware \o/
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# [11:35] <@smaug> ttaubert: would it be possible to add a shortcut key to open a new tab next to the current one
# [11:35] <firebot> Check-in:
# [11:35] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/7d29016d1c53 - Wellington Fernando de Macedo - Bug 869882 - [eventsource] Check HTTP status:204,205,210,299 readyState returns CONNECTING but not CLOSED and throws unreached assertion; r=bugs@pettay.fi
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# [11:36] <ttaubert> smaug: wouldn't be hard to do. the hard part would be to discuss whether that should rather be an add-on or not :)
# [11:36] <ttaubert> smaug: also, available shortcuts are really scarce
# [11:37] <SDUP> is there an equivalent of nsStaticAtom in xpcom glue ?
# [11:37] <@smaug> nah, I say it would be super useful. We can reuse some less-useful shortcut key :)
# [11:37] <ttaubert> heh
# [11:37] <@smaug> ctr+shift+a
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# [11:38] <ttaubert> I use that
# [11:38] <ttaubert> :)
# [11:38] <@smaug> hmm, what happens with ctrl+shitf+n
# [11:38] <@smaug> something bizarre
# [11:38] <ttaubert> restores the last closed window
# [11:38] <Six> yep
# [11:39] <@smaug> yes, bizarre
# [11:39] <@smaug> since it happened to open something I used yesterday
# [11:39] <@smaug> somewhat surprising
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# [11:43] <KWierso|Home> ctrl-shift-fn-alt-t :)
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# [11:43] <Six> :)
# [11:44] <Manuela> hi guys! do you know if there is any other way to check that after you open a new tab in a private window, it opens there, where it should (and not in the regular window), besides counting the tabs from the private window?
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# [12:34] * NeilAway wonders why MikeLing wants to use his own python
# [12:36] <NeilAway> SDUP: not exactly
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# [12:37] <NeilAway> SDUP: see http://mxr.mozilla.org/comm-central/ident?i=MsgNewPermanentAtom for how mailnews-on-xulrunner works around it
# [12:38] <annevk> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=859706 o_O
# [12:38] <annevk> also :(
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# [12:45] <Ms2ger> annevk, yay mobile
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# [12:47] <Standard8> is anyone else seeing errors like these on Mac for their FF trunk builds:
# [12:47] <Standard8> WARNING: NS_ENSURE_SUCCESS(rv, rv) failed with result 0x80004005: file /Users/moztest/comm/main/src/mozilla/toolkit/components/url-classifier/nsUrlClassifierDBService.cpp, line 1151
# [12:47] <Standard8> JavaScript error: file:///Users/moztest/comm/main/ff/dist/NightlyDebug.app/Contents/MacOS/components/nsUrlClassifierListManager.js, line 81: NS_ERROR_XPC_GS_RETURNED_FAILURE: Component returned failure code: 0x80570016 (NS_ERROR_XPC_GS_RETURNED_FAILURE) [nsIJSCID.getService]
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# [12:48] <Standard8> I think crypto is failing, because its looking for libsoftokn3.dylib in the same directory as libnss3.dylib, but its resolved the symlinks.
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# [13:12] <Gijs> I'm inspecting what's happening in a browser mochitest locally and want to extend the timeout in a test so it doesn't kick me out. How do I do that?
# [13:13] <Gijs> requestLongerTimeout, apparently?
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# [13:20] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/a0214893763c - Geoff Lankow - Bug 874363 - The timeline header in the Netmonitor should be clickable; r=vporof
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# [13:27] <annevk> Gijs:
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# [13:27] <annevk> oops
# [13:28] <Gijs> ? :)
# [13:28] <jimm> do we track CLOBBERs on a wiki page somewhere?
# [13:28] <annevk> Gijs: like a cat on a keyboard but really just me
# [13:28] <Gijs> OK. :)
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# [13:38] <darktrojan> edmorley, I can DONTBUILD when I'm backing out the tip, can't I?
# [13:39] <edmorley> darktrojan: yeah pretty much
# [13:39] <darktrojan> cool
# [13:39] <edmorley> it falls down when we are coalescing
# [13:39] <edmorley> but shouldn't be a problem this time of day
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# [13:40] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/6ed9b90be6c8 - Geoff Lankow - Backed out changeset a0214893763c (bug 874363) pushed mistakenly, DONTBUILD
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# [13:51] <@smaug> pac file handling was rewritten, right?
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# [13:51] <@smaug> does it not use xpconnect anymore?
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# [13:53] <@smaug> looks like so
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# [13:59] <Optimizer1> anyone know why this is happening : http://pastebin.mozilla.org/2484366 ?
# [13:59] <Optimizer1> on windows machine
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# [14:00] <jimm> looks like your python install is missing something
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# [14:26] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/6a7dd82b2762 - Frédéric Wang - Bug 854339 - Make the equal sign stretchable in MathML. r=karlt
# [14:26] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/2412bacd1fe2 - Raymond Lee - Bug 854761 - Part 2: Remove previous bookmark calls from PlacesUtils - Sync. r=rnewman
# [14:26] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/5a57dcd51137 - Frédéric Wang - Bug 878396 - Fix a regression with mspace@mathbackground. r=karlt
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# [14:26] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/dc78a3d303c8 - Frédéric Wang - Bug 875294 - Implement menclose notation "updiagonalarrow". r=karlt
# [14:26] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/3203f0d0d225 - Andres Hernandez - Bug 854761 - Part 1: Remove previous bookmark calls from PlacesUtils - Toolkit. r=mak
# [14:26] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/94c819a423ff - Martin Stransky - Bug 878781 - Port GTK2 to GTK3 - widget minor fixes. r=karlt
# [14:27] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/5777dd1cbd32 - David Rajchenbach-Teller - Bug 872981 - Print a warning whenever something attempts to store more than 4kb of preferences. r=bsmedberg
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# [14:35] <Gijs> edmorley: I'm starring failures on UX's tbpl for a bug I just filed. What does it take for TBPL to actually comment on the bug?
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# [14:36] <Gijs> edmorley: at the moment I'm not seeing anything.
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# [14:36] <Gijs> (it's intermittent, and I'm trying to keep track on it so hopefully we can eliminate it before eventually merging to m-c)
# [14:36] <edmorley> Gijs: keyword "intermittent-failure", match on summary & the new bug being present in the tbpl cache (cache can be up to 3 hrs out of date)
# [14:37] <Gijs> edmorley: OK, that answers another question I had. But I mean, if I actually say "add a comment", and then have the comment only be "bug 879215", why does that not leave a comment on the bug?
# [14:38] <Gijs> eg. this bc star: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=UX&rev=21906afe1080
# [14:38] <edmorley> Gijs: historically concern about spam reasons, but bug 764887 filed to find a middle ground
# [14:38] <edmorley> Gijs: ie at present, the comment is only left if you choose a suggested bug as generated by tbpl's bzapi calls
# [14:39] <edmorley> rather than based on the freeform entry
# [14:39] <Gijs> Oh, sadfaces.
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# [14:39] <Gijs> edmorley: OK, but then at least now I understand why I'm not seeing anything. Cool. Thank you! :)
# [14:39] <edmorley> Gijs: in <3 hrs you should
# [14:39] <edmorley> or you can force a cache refresh
# [14:39] <Gijs> Right, makes sense.
# [14:39] <Gijs> Nah, it's OK. I've already starred everything there was to star.
# [14:40] <Gijs> I'll just go and find the earliest one and stick that in the bug.
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# [14:40] <edmorley> Gijs: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getLogExcerpt.php?type=annotated&regenerate=1&;id= where id is the same id seen in the URL when viewing the failure log
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# [14:40] <edmorley> but that would only help with failures from that point on, since the summary shown is cached in the UI too
# [14:41] <Gijs> Huh, OK.
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# [14:42] <edmorley> Gijs: treeherder (replacement for TBPL) will have a more intelligent cache to avoid these issues, but for now not a huge amount that can be done, since the cache(s) are vital for both UI perf and avoiding taking bzapi down
# [14:42] <Gijs> heh, nice.
# [14:43] <Gijs> edmorley: thanks for the explanations, that helps a lot. Can I follow progress on treeherder somewhere?
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# [14:43] <edmorley> rather out of date overview at https://wiki.mozilla.org/Auto-tools/Projects/TBPL2
# [14:43] <darktrojan> anyone care to donate some new hardware to a poor volunteer contributor?
# [14:43] <edmorley> repo at https://github.com/mozilla/treeherder-service
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# [14:44] <edmorley> Gijs: and pivotal tracker at https://www.pivotaltracker.com/s/projects/749519
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# [14:49] <khuey> darktrojan: if there's a solid contributor that needs hardware for a good reason we may be able to arrange that
# [14:49] <Gijs> Excellent, thanks! :)
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# [14:52] <gaston> oh libxpcom has been merged to libxul in 22 ?
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# [15:02] <darktrojan> khuey, just thought you might take pity on me :-)
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# [15:04] <firebot> mart3ll was last seen 16 hours, 44 minutes and 41 seconds ago, saying 'Twitter' in #toronto.
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# [15:16] <Yoric> I see occurrences of G_ASSERT in our code.
# [15:16] <Yoric> What's that?
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# [15:18] <@bz_sleep> You do?
# [15:18] <@bz_sleep> Where?
# [15:18] <Yoric> toolkit/components/url-classifier/url-crypto-key-manager.js
# [15:18] <@bz_sleep> Yoric: ^
# [15:18] <Yoric> toolkit/components/url-classifier/content/url-crypto-key-manager.js
# [15:19] <@bz_sleep> Oh, lowercase after the 'A'
# [15:19] <@bz_sleep> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/toolkit/components/url-classifier/content/moz/debug.js#142
# [15:19] <@bz_sleep> And http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/toolkit/components/url-classifier/content/moz/debug.js#839
# [15:19] <@bz_sleep> depending on DEBUG or not, I guess
# [15:19] <Yoric> Yeah, just a little strange.
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# [15:20] <@bz_sleep> You mean naming wise?
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# [15:21] <Yoric> No, I mean seeing unit tests in our code.
# [15:21] <Yoric> That's unit testing, isn't it?
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# [15:21] <dcamp> that bit of url-classifier was imported by google years and years ago
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# [15:23] <Yoric> So they took the opportunity to add their unit tests to our code?
# [15:23] <Yoric> Looks like something that should be moved to one of our testsuites, some day.
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# [16:15] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/d0fc4f35656c - Lucas Rocha - Bug 813546 - Guard against null keys when queryng favicon mem cache (r=mfinkle)
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# [16:16] <edmorley> froydnj: not at the moment unfortunately
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# [16:16] <edmorley> froydnj: other than greasemonkey or buildapi'ing it
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# [16:25] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/0ed8a89f8484 - Randell Jesup - bug 878945: rename DataChannel dict items (aurora/beta patch, no warnings) r=smaug ba=akeybl
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# [16:40] <edmorley> fox2mike: I don't suppose I can have a CC on 866467? :-)
# [16:40] <fox2mike> I'll open that up
# [16:40] <edmorley> thank you
# [16:41] <fox2mike> yw
# [16:41] <fox2mike> didn't notice it was closed.
# [16:41] <fox2mike> done
# [16:41] <edmorley> :-)
# [16:41] <fox2mike> oh wait
# [16:41] <fox2mike> midaired with myseld
# [16:41] <fox2mike> f
# [16:41] <edmorley> hehe
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# [16:48] <jesup> any idea when Aurora might open? Today?
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# [17:00] <RyanVM> jesup: need to figure out why the media code is leaking first
# [17:00] <RyanVM> jesup I would have suspected roc's patches, but it seems to have started on the push after
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# [17:02] <RyanVM> jesup: I think i'll start with aklotz' patch
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# [17:02] <RyanVM> on a side note, I really need a different IRC client so loading a tinderbox log doesn't mean not being able to type in my chat window
# [17:02] <RyanVM> jesup: but I do see timer-related stuff in the leaked object list
# [17:03] <RyanVM> it's my only theory
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# [17:03] <jesup> thanks. Also, it seems bug 870002 has disappeared since the new windows hardware went online.... the one hit on birch was a mis-star
# [17:03] <RyanVM> unsurprising
# [17:03] <RyanVM> more RAM in them :)
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# [17:03] <jesup> I think the M1 failure (in another media test) without traceback has also disappeared
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# [17:05] <RyanVM> jesup: edmorley: philor: there's a bunch more retriggers on roc's push pending. If they come in green, I'll backout aklotz
# [17:05] <glosoli> Is there some way I can simulate http get in Firefox ?
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# [17:06] <Ms2ger> Bonjour
# [17:07] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/ac483563ea14 - Adam Roach [:abr] - Bug 878082 - Move handle generation to after PSM setup r=jesup
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# [17:12] <philor> RyanVM: I did my best to blame it on roc, but I just can't get it to happen there
# [17:13] <RyanVM> roc: I know you did :)
# [17:13] <RyanVM> philor: even :P
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# [17:14] <glosoli> hmm since when in there is no arrows for input fields of type="number" in Firefox ?
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# [17:14] <glosoli> incremental arrows I mean
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# [17:15] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/92178edfeb6e - Brad Lassey - bug 866957 - Collect and report cell tower info r=hannos,snorp
# [17:15] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/68766cdda810 - Brad Lassey - bug 866957 - Collect and report WiFi AP info r=hannos,snorp
# [17:15] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/ee864722aff9 - Brad Lassey - bug 866957 - Collect and report cell tower and WiFi AP info, put it all behind a default-off pref r=mfinkle
# [17:16] <Ms2ger> glosoli, I don't think those have ever existed in Firefox, but maybe I'm mistaken
# [17:17] <glosoli> Ms2ger:
# [17:17] <glosoli> I don't trust myself on that too :D
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# [17:35] <Yoric> yzen: very limited pong
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# [17:36] <Yoric> (or larger pong in a few hours :) )
# [17:36] <NeilAway> Ms2ger: b2g probably has them?
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# [17:36] <Ms2ger> Possibly
# [17:36] <NeilAway> glosoli: XHR?
# [17:36] <glosoli> NeilAway: yes
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# [17:42] <yzen> Yoric: it can wait :)
# [17:42] <yzen> thanks
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# [17:44] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/ca43cd65708b - Scott Johnson - Bug 877160: Backout patch for bug 794693 due to regressions. [r=mats]
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# [17:52] <@bsmedberg> mach has some way to show the log of the last failed test run, right?
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# [17:55] <@bsmedberg> so I still have to pipe test runs into logfiles? grr
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# [18:24] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/b6cce1e41253 - Monica Chew - Move execution from nsExternalAppHandler to nsDownload (b=858234, r=paolo)
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# [18:26] <ekr> edmorley: probably incoming tree bustage.
# [18:26] <ekr> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/2485124
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# [18:27] <edmorley> \o/
# [18:28] <Ms2ger> Hrm
# [18:28] <Ms2ger> ekr, don't do anything :)
# [18:28] <Ms2ger> Can you check something in your objdir?
# [18:29] <ekr> ms2ger: what should I check?
# [18:29] <Ms2ger> /home/buildslave/work/ubuntu12_04_64/build/obj-buildbot-auto/uriloader/exthandler/_xpidlgen/nsIExternalHelperAppService.h
# [18:30] <gcp> jdm: maybe it's a good memshrink bug?
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# [18:30] <Ms2ger> ekr, is it empty/ish?
# [18:30] <gcp> jdm: bug 879320
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# [18:51] <ekr> ms2ger: wc /home/buildslave/work/ubuntu12_04_64/build/obj-buildbot-auto/uriloader/exthandler/_xpidlgen/nsIExternalHelperAppService.h
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# [18:51] <Ms2ger> ekr, okay, thanks
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# [18:51] <Ms2ger> ekr, no, I'm fine
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# [19:16] <jesup> armenzg_buildduty: ping
# [19:16] <armenzg_buildduty> jesup: pong
# [19:18] <jesup> armenzg_buildduty: ted and I were talking about bug 870002 (and a related no-stack crash on M1), which appeared to be an intermittent OOM. These went away last week when we deployed the ix win7 test machines....
# [19:18] <jesup> question: it appears beta is still using talos-* test machines (I haven't checked aurora). Will beta be switching over?
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# [19:19] <jesup> we have to decide whether to ask to un-backout the patch that triggered this (bug 866514) before today's beta4 or not
# [19:20] <jesup> before the HW upgrade, we saw 1-10 instances per day of 870002 and similar for the M1 bug (on inbound, try, etc)
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# [19:21] <armenzg_buildduty> jesup: we were waiting to enable the iX hardware on beta when FF23 reached it
# [19:21] <armenzg_buildduty> would you like us to enable them there?
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# [19:22] <jesup> akeybl: ping
# [19:22] <akeybl> jesup: hey
# [19:22] <jesup> akeybl: see scrollback - looks like 870002/866514 was a test machine resource issue (as best ted and I can figure)
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# [19:24] <jesup> So we've been talking about undoing the backout of 866514 as the cause for the backout seems to be gone (modulo using the new test machines for beta, or starring any oranges we see)
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# [19:24] <jesup> And we've had more testing of the feature with 866514 in, and so feel more confident of it in general than with that part backed out
# [19:25] <akeybl> jesup: makes sense a=akeybl
# [19:25] <akeybl> (that's also great news)
# [19:25] <akeybl> I like non-user impacting issues
# [19:25] <jesup> yeah. We were pounding our heads how we could cause that
# [19:25] <jesup> thanks.
# [19:26] <jesup> armenzg_buildduty: I'm open to either updating beta to use the ix hardware, or star any hits as a known intermittent
# [19:26] <jesup> RyanVM: ^ opinions?
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# [19:27] <RyanVM> jesup: how worried are we about this affecting real users on lower end machines?
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# [19:28] <philor> the way we typically switch hardware is to run the new ones hidden for a week, unhide and run in parallel for a week, hide the old ones for a week, so you're talking about, what, one week without the old ones running at all, before the next merge?
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# [19:31] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/fcb49b08c505 - Bobby Holley - Bug 877862 - Propagate exceptions from PrepareForWrapping. r=mrbkap
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# [19:33] <jesup> RyanVM: ted and I were surmising enough memory was waiting for GC/CC that the tester ran out of ram. (I'm guessing they're all running from flash with VM disabled, but that's just my guess). We've tried hard to recreate anything like this on local machines with no luck.
# [19:33] <@ted> seems doubtful they have VM disabled
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# [19:34] <jesup> Certainly the errors all went away then the hardware was upgraded
# [19:34] <@ted> my guess is just that mochitests generate a lot of garbage, and there's something here that generates more garbage, and faster hardware just means we have more time to GC
# [19:34] <jesup> both our m3 and the m1 failure in media tests
# [19:34] <@ted> i think in the real world people aren't likely to hit something as intensive as mochitest
# [19:34] <jesup> ted: yes
# [19:35] <jesup> ted: do the test machines run multiple tests at once, or just one?
# [19:35] <@ted> just one
# [19:35] <@ted> but they run them in quick succession
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# [19:35] <jesup> as in, multiple processes each running a different mochitest instance
# [19:36] <@ted> no
# [19:36] <@ted> we definitely do not do that
# [19:36] <jesup> ok, there goes one possible cause
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# [19:38] <RyanVM> philor: edmorley: jesup: looks like I'm a good guesser wrt Aurora :)
# [19:38] <RyanVM> note to self, backport xp webgl test disabling to aurora
# [19:39] <akeybl> RyanVM: just saw https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Mozilla-Aurora and scanned backlog quickly
# [19:39] <akeybl> do we have an owner for the failure?
# [19:40] <akeybl> (didn't see a bug #)
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# [19:41] <RyanVM> akeybl: No, but my backout results are looking promising
# [19:41] <jesup> Ok, new info: I just hit 870002 on a beta push --- bug 866514 is backed out there, so backing it out didn't help us anyways. This says we should reland
# [19:41] <akeybl> cool RyanVM good eye
# [19:42] <jesup> the previous assessment that 866514 was the trigger (when doing initial landings) was probably just due to randomness of the failure
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# [19:43] <qDot> bjacob: Just noticed you comment on bug 871624. Is disabling genlock on the nexus s an option? We're unfortunately blocked on NFC testing due to the nexus s issues.
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# [19:46] <jesup> akeybl: given the new info, I'm relanding bug 866514 now. Thanks!
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# [19:47] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/f53c82908920 - Randell Jesup - Bug 866514: reland since this isn't the cause of bug 870002 rs=me a=akeybl
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# [20:13] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/0fde7e7ba61c - Jeff Walden - Bug 496923 - Make the test262-importing script import tests from ch10/, and skip the tests that we don't currently pass (6 for test harness shortcomings, 2 for actual
# [20:13] <firebot> bugs). r=terrence
# [20:13] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/55796a799ea9 - Jeff Walden - Bug 496923 - Remove js/src/tests/update-test402.sh as update-test262.sh subsumes it. r=trivial
# [20:13] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/05a46b5b3fec - Jeff Walden - Bug 496923 - Import all the ch10/ tests from test262 into jstests. r=importing-script-was-reviewed
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# [20:15] <bjacob> qDot: yes, if you push to the device the libgenlock.so that we build, as opposed to the one from vendor/ which gets pushed by default, then you effectively disable genlock.
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# [20:18] <qDot> bjacob: And that'll fix this enough for the moment?
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# [20:22] <dougt> i love you jwir3.
# [20:22] <dougt> :)
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# [20:22] <whimboo> jimm: hi!
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# [20:23] <bjacob> qDot: well, without genlock, you won't have genlock failures per se, you'll have a sort of usable phones, but you'll have some graphical glitches and no way to fix them besides reenabling genlock.
# [20:23] <whimboo> jimm: any recommendations which default prefs our automatoin should set for metro mode?
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# [20:23] <whimboo> jimm: what do we use for mochitests?
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# [20:23] <mconley> gavin: sorry - MoTo is having network issues
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# [20:24] <qDot> bjacob: Eh, as long as we can get to/from nfc functionality, that'll do for the moment.
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# [20:24] <qDot> Just looking for "Good enough" right now :)
# [20:24] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/4479ef04c5ea - Ryan VanderMeulen - Backed out changeset 0fbef2fd43e0 (bug 877733) for test bustage on a CLOSED TREE.
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# [20:24] <bjacob> qDot: you define good enough ;)
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# [20:24] <bjacob> qDot: oh wait
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# [20:25] <qDot> Hmm. I'm not seeing a libgenlock built for nexus s?
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# [20:25] <bjacob> exactly
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# [20:25] <bjacob> qDot: i am stupid, genlock is a qualcomm-specific thing
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# [20:25] <qDot> D'oh. :|
# [20:25] <mconley> sorry for the MoTo gong show
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# [20:26] <bjacob> qDot: replied on bug... now i am not sure how comment 3 was relevant... i was mostly replying to that earlier
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# [20:27] <mconley> Gijs: the change to resetCustomization doesn't seem to logically change anything
# [20:27] <mconley> Gijs: but I'm fine with jamming about:blank into the tab
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# [20:30] <qDot> bjacob: Ah, cool. Is there any way to wedge shmem for the moment on the device?
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# [20:33] <@dolske> genlock? is this for the Amiga port?
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# [20:38] <bjacob> qDot: if you want only regular shmem to be used (no gralloc), edit ShadowLayerUtilsGralloc.cpp, edit ISurfaceAllocator::PlatformAllocSurfaceDescriptor, make it return false
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# [20:38] <bjacob> dolske: genlock is a system-wide lock used in qualcomm linux kernels
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# [20:40] <qDot> bjacob: Awesome, giving that a shot now.
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# [20:41] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/9d11ed612690 - Joe Drew - Bug 878037 - Revert the null-owner intentional crashes, since we found the cause. r=seth
# [20:41] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/4dd83c475006 - Joe Drew - Bug 878037 - Make static image requests (imgRequestProxyStatic) Clone correctly when the concrete-type Clone override is called. r=seth
# [20:41] <decoder> Ms2ger: ping
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# [20:41] <Ms2ger> decoder, yessir?
# [20:41] <decoder> Ms2ger: im looking at (probably old) mochitests written by you
# [20:41] <decoder> and I have a question
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# [20:42] <Ms2ger> Oh dear
# [20:42] <decoder> e.g. dom/imptests/html/html/dom/documents/dta/test_nameditem-03.html
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# [20:42] <decoder> when I run this test locally
# [20:42] <decoder> I see lots of these:
# [20:42] <decoder> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/2485470
# [20:42] <decoder> and the test times out instead of failing
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# [20:43] <Ms2ger> Oh dear
# [20:43] <Ms2ger> You've got java installed, do you?
# [20:43] <Ms2ger> That breaks any mochitest that uses <applet>
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# [20:44] <decoder> Ms2ger: yea java is installed
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# [20:44] <decoder> 0:07.44 java version "1.7.0_03"
# [20:44] <decoder> 0:07.44 OpenJDK Runtime Environment (IcedTea7 2.1.1pre) (7~u3-2.1.1~pre1-1ubuntu2)
# [20:44] <decoder> 0:07.44 OpenJDK 64-Bit Server VM (build 22.0-b10, mixed mode)
# [20:44] <decoder> is what it says in the log too
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# [20:45] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/3c7c31aaea78 - Nicolas Silva - Bug 875211 - use one global gl texture per texture unit rather than one per GrallocTextureHostOGL. r=bjacob
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# [20:45] <Ms2ger> I don't know what to do about that
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# [20:46] <decoder> Ms2ger: id be happy if they just failed.. or would be skipped. but timeout is causing other tests not to run
# [20:46] <decoder> thats really bad :(
# [20:47] <bjacob> nical: \o/
# [20:47] <Ms2ger> Well, except uninstalling java
# [20:47] <nical> bjacob: yeah I should have landed this days ago
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# [20:48] <nical> hopefully it didn't bitrot
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# [20:54] <@dolske> bjacob: oh, so I can't use this with my Video Toaster?
# [20:54] <@dolske> avih: I think you pinged me earlier?
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# [20:56] <RyanVM> nical: funny story
# [20:56] <RyanVM> nical: must have bitrotted :P
# [20:56] <nical> darn
# [20:56] <nical> sorry
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# [20:56] <RyanVM> nical: lulz, Werror strikes again :)
# [20:56] <RyanVM> feel free to push a follow-up rather than backing out :)
# [20:57] <johns> sponge: So on FF20, the quakelive plugin encounters the same errors, but because of a missing null-check we fixed in FF21, crashes plugin-container on shutdown
# [20:57] <avih> dolske: i have, though i think i got my answer already. the question was how to integrate a talos test which requires manipulating the browser (opening and closing tabs), and for now it appears that writing an addon for this is how i proceed, unless you have something really bad against it, or you think there's a much better approach :)
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# [20:57] <johns> sponge: Since it only wants one instance at a time, crashing on shutdown actually made sure it was always cleaned up properly
# [20:57] <sponge> johns: haha really so the plugin was only shutting down because it was crashing
# [20:57] <johns> sponge: I think so yeah
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# [20:58] <sponge> i should check the reference counts on chrome, we're still not having a prob there
# [20:58] <sponge> but our plugin wasn't cleaning up because the ref counter was still at 3
# [20:58] <gfritzsche> oh great, so much for guessing :)
# [20:58] <nical> RyanVM: ok doing that now
# [20:58] <sponge> i'm not even quite sure why theres a ref counter since we only have one instance ever, so i'm tempted to just zero that out on npp_Destroy
# [20:58] <qDot> bjacob: Ok, wedging shmem did the job! I'll post a patch to the bug as a workaround for the moment. Thanks!
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# [20:58] <RyanVM> nical: You'll need a CLOSED TREE in your commit message
# [20:58] <johns> sponge: It's possible that the CreateObject issue is causing us to not produce some callbacks you expect, desync'ing the refcount
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# [20:59] <sponge> i think i'm getting a certain assert in triplicate on at least ffox, i can't seem to get the debugger attached before npp_new finishes to check that though
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# [21:00] <sponge> npp_getvalue is called when the js tries to access a property on the plugin object, right? thats the only other place we increment
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# [21:02] <@dolske> avih: well, depends on what you want to do. for occasional spot-checking, an addon is fine. if it's something we should be measuring frequently and watching for regressions, then some kind of automated test would be called for
# [21:02] <johns> sponge: I'm not 100% sure on that, but what's the matching decrement for that?
# [21:02] <johns> sponge: Also you can add a breakpoint at |PluginModuleParent::NPP_New| in firefox to pause it and give you time to attach to plugin-container
# [21:02] <bjacob> qDot: cool, no problem!
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# [21:03] <bjacob> qDot: the patch should do this for everything _but_ qualcomm hardware --- it should not be nexus s specific
# [21:03] <avih> dolske: it's an automated test for talos, so it would run together with talos tests on tries etc. already working with jmaher on how to integrate the output into talos. but i haven't done this before, and i think neither has he.
# [21:03] <qDot> Well, right now it's just returning false from the start. Didn't try to make it smart at all. :)
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# [21:04] <sponge> johns: npp_destroy and deallocate call releaseobject
# [21:04] <sponge> i feel like this is probably before we just locked it down to one instance per os
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# [21:04] <qDot> We don't actually have a way to specify which platform we're on in gecko, at least, that i'm aware of. We've pretty explicitly tried not to do that.
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# [21:04] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/5dda8a9a6c2d - Nicolas Silva - Bug 875211 - fix build on a CLOSED TREE
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# [21:04] <johns> sponge: Ah, check if deallocate is being called properly, it may not be
# [21:04] <@dolske> avih: ah. Talos hasn't been extended very much (which is sort of a problem -- we should have an easy way to add perf tests),
# [21:05] <johns> sponge: We use NPN_CreateObject to keep a hashmap of objects, so if that call is worked around for NPObjects, they might not get some calls, including deallocate
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# [21:05] <sponge> johns: is deallocate called at some point after npp_getvalue or is deallocate a shutting down the browser thing?
# [21:05] <@dolske> avih: so I don't know much about adding stuff to it, but sounds like you're talkign with the right people. :)
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# [21:05] <avih> dolske: if you have another idea of where to put a perf test other than talos, i'm open for ideas
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# [21:05] <johns> sponge: I'm not fully sure about how NPAPI works here, but I think its called after delete whenever an NPObject is destroyed
# [21:05] <@dolske> avih: I don't think we have a good alternative.
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# [21:06] <avih> dolske: i see. well, wish us luck then :)
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# [21:07] <@dolske> avih: I just want to tell you both good luck. We're all counting on you.
# [21:07] <@dolske> avih: I just want to tell you both good luck. We're all counting on you.
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# [21:07] <avih> dolske: so which is for jmaherand which wish is for me? :p
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# [21:08] <gfritzsche> sponge: NPP_GetValue for the NPPVpluginScriptableNPObject is definitely called before that scriptable object is deleted/dealloced... although getvalue may also be called for other variables
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# [21:08] <dholbert> nical, your bustage fix won't fix the bustage, I think
# [21:09] <nical> yeah just pushed another one :(
# [21:09] <dholbert> nical, (one of the build warnings/errors is "error: parenthesized initialization of a member array is a GNU extension [-Wgnu-array-member-paren-init]" )
# [21:09] <dholbert> yeah, there you go
# [21:09] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/9ce19443a9dc - Nicolas Silva - Bug 875211 - fix windows build on a CLOSED TREE
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# [21:10] <sponge> gfritzsche: ok, that makes sense. at this point i'm just trying to figure out why we wouldn't just zero out the refcount on destroy since the plugin is going to be shut down at that point it shouldn't matter
# [21:10] <sponge> i might just change it to do that and we can roll that out without too much pain, since it seems firefox is correct in behavior at this point
# [21:10] <gfritzsche> sponge: although that's only for the main scriptable object, other objects may get created via different paths
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# [21:11] <sponge> yea i don't believe we have anything like that
# [21:11] <RyanVM> nical: any more bustage fixes? :P
# [21:11] <nical> Is there a way to not build one of the changesets on inbound ?
# [21:11] <sponge> i won't pretend we have even a tiny percentage of users as java and flash and so on so i'd like to fix/workaround on our side as long as the firefox behavior is correct :)
# [21:12] <nical> RyanVM: hopefully not !
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# [21:13] <dholbert> nical, you can click the in-progress builds, and hit the red "stop" button at bottom of the window
# [21:13] <dholbert> nical, if you want to cancel a build
# [21:13] <dholbert> nical, (it doesn't look like there's a "stop-all-the-builds" button like there is on Try's tbpl)
# [21:14] <nical> indeed, ok thanks
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# [21:16] <RyanVM> dholbert: only in self-serve
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# [21:20] <sponge> johns: so for what it's worth in chrome the reference count is 1 on load and goes to 0 in npp_destroy. i can't seem to break into the debugger from the assert prompt http://spongeserv.com/i/20130604191927227.png would the production version of firefox be doing anything to eat that exception being raised?
# [21:21] <jimb> Is there a quick and easy way to get an error message string for an nsresult? (Just for logging, not for end user consumption.)
# [21:21] <johns> sponge: Yes, I think so, you might need XPCOM_DEBUG_BREAK=trap in your environment
# [21:21] <johns> sponge: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/XPCOM_DEBUG_BREAK
# [21:21] <RyanVM> nical: and to answer your next question - the pink on your second bustage fix is courtesy of coalescing :)
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# [21:21] <@bz> jimb: http://james-ross.co.uk/mozilla/nserror ?
# [21:21] <@bz> jimb: or get in code?
# [21:21] <johns> sponge: I think we squelch them from plugin-container because flash had an issue where it was popping them up and confusing users when it should've just been quietly crashing
# [21:22] <jimb> bz: in code
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# [21:23] <nical> RyanVM: ok :)
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# [21:24] <sponge> johns: hm no change with that set
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# [21:26] <johns> sponge: you may need a debug build of firefox
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# [21:27] <sponge> alright will try that nightly i had from yesterday
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# [21:27] <jesup> FYI (ignore unless you know what this is about): you wouldn't know it if you aren't on yammer, but you can now vote on those ideas from yesterday without needing to login to the mozilla google accounts
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# [21:29] <johns> sponge: A debug build of the 21 release changeset: http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/tinderbox-builds/mozilla-release-win32-debug/1368284146/firefox-21.0.en-US.win32.zip
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# [21:30] <sponge> grabbing that. man trying to use these debug builds requires a lot of patience :)
# [21:30] <Ms2ger> jesup, mm, doing stuff on yammer again, are we?
# [21:30] <jesup> Ms2ger: Not by preference.....
# [21:31] <Ms2ger> jesup, it sure seems a lot of people prefer it
# [21:31] <jesup> And it's pretty broken (layout-wise) since it "reappeared" a couple of days ago
# [21:32] <jesup> sponge: windows debug builds are a lot slower than linux or mac in my experience
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# [21:34] <jesup> p.s. I vote for Packrat - I need a better way than hoarding tabs....
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# [21:36] <sponge> johns: get the yellow infobar saying the plugin has crashed when i hit ignore, retry still isn't breaking into the debugger
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# [21:37] <@bz> hmm
# [21:37] <@bz> so this moco meeting yesterday
# [21:38] <@bz> did anything interesting happen after the product-management stuff?
# [21:38] <sfink> bz: I think there was more on the agenda, but the meeting got cut off at that point
# [21:38] <sfink> at least, I don't remember anything after the product mgt stuff
# [21:39] <@bz> ok
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# [21:41] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/649ceb19e492 - Nikhil Marathe - Bug 876936 - Alarms set to a past time fire immediately instead of error. r=gene
# [21:42] <gfritzsche> sponge: are you sure you're attached to the plugin-container? i think otherwise you should catch those in the debugger instead of as a dialog?
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# [21:44] <sponge> gfritzsche: i'm trying to break into it with an assert, i need to attach early on in npp_new and can't either get plugin-container quick enough, or attaching to firefox.exe. i guess i ought to try and get the source + symbols
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# [21:45] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/950ab2f55a1a - Markus Flaig - Bug 875297 - Move the contents of the initialize method into the constructor of the search-textbox binding. r=mconley
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# [21:45] <gfritzsche> sponge: if you want time to attach, just use a MsgBox or something? :)
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# [21:46] <sponge> mm that's a good idea heh
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# [21:48] <qDot> bjacob: Ok, found a way to figure out what platform we're on to make the check work better. Question is, do we have any way of getting at the glcontext from PlatformAllocSurfaceDescriptor? The glcontext has vendor info...
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# [21:50] <bjacob> qDot: indeed the glcontext is one of the places that really knows; unfortunately, no, we have no such way.
# [21:51] <qDot> Damn.
# [21:51] <qDot> Didn't seem like there was a way, was just hoping I was missing something.
# [21:51] <Standard8> is it possible to export a profile from the built-in profiler?
# [21:51] <bjacob> qDot: we could even be starting to draw some content (by the time we really need to call PlatformAllocSurfaceDescriptor) before we have a GLContexst
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# [21:51] <BenWa> Standard8: depends what frontend you're using
# [21:51] <qDot> Ok, well, there's another, grosser way. We could check android properties.
# [21:52] <bjacob> qDot: isn't there a hardware/platform field that gonk can always get to? like the hardware/platform/manufacturer strings on android?
# [21:52] <Standard8> BenWa: the built in one currently (on nightly), but I can try a different one ;-)
# [21:52] <qDot> ro.hardware should be "qcom"
# [21:52] <bjacob> qDot: yes, that.
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# [21:52] <BenWa> Standard8: from devtools? No I don't believe it can export yet
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# [21:53] <qDot> bjacob: 'k I'll check that out.
# [21:53] <sfink> BenWa: btw, I just installed the latest geckoprofiler, and clicking on the icon doesn't seem to do anything. evilpie in #jsapi reported that he's not seeing the icon at all.
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# [21:53] <Standard8> BenWa: is there one that will?
# [21:53] <BenWa> sfink: it works for me on latest nightly and mac
# [21:54] <BenWa> Standard8: This is the tool meant to debug platform bugs while the devtools is meant for JS executing in content: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Performance/Profiling_with_the_Built-in_Profiler
# [21:54] <BenWa> sfink: what platform, firefox version and addon version are you using?
# [21:55] <sfink> BenWa: linux64, nightly 20130526, git updated and rebuilt an hour or two ago
# [21:55] <BenWa> sfink: That should work, can you see if there's a js console error?
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# [21:56] <sfink> BenWa: I don't know if it's related, but: Timestamp: 06/04/2013 12:55:46 PM
# [21:56] <sfink> Error: RequirementError: The option "width" must be one of the following types: number, undefined, null
# [21:56] <BenWa> I don't know...
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# [21:57] <sfink> I get it once every time I click the icon
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# [21:57] <sfink> I'll try updating my nightly
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# [21:58] <BenWa> sfink: you should just need the hotkeys. CTRL+SHIFT+O to create a new profile
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# [21:59] <sfink> I get a bunch of JS errors (warnings?) on stderr during the restart
# [21:59] <sfink> error: geckoprofiler: DEPRECATED: The require("private-browsing") module's "start" and "stop" events are deprecated.
# [22:00] <sfink> Ctrl-shift-o opens a window named 'Library' with bookmarks in it
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# [22:01] <sfink> same behavior on the 2013-06-02 nightly
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# [22:04] <sfink> BenWa: yep, same behavior on the 2013-06-04 nightly too. (Only now I see that error in the browser console instead of the error console.)
# [22:05] <BenWa> sfink: any chance you can find what line the width problem is on?
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# [22:05] <sfink> sadly, it doesn't give any source info
# [22:06] <sfink> it's associated with the JS tab/source in the console, btw
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# [22:06] <BenWa> We should file a bug to get that fixed
# [22:07] <BenWa> No reason JS error shouldn't give us an exact source
# [22:07] <sfink> I know there's a known error for some of these (XPCOM exceptions, I think?)
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# [22:09] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/2959344b8ad6 - Joe Drew - Bug 878037 - Make static image requests (imgRequestProxyStatic) Clone correctly when the concrete-type Clone override is called. r=seth a=akeybl
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# [22:10] <sfink> BenWa: you want two bugs, one for the lack of source info, one for the gecko profiler not working?
# [22:11] <BenWa> sfink: That would be nice
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# [22:11] <BenWa> sfink: maybe you can play with the code and find the source manually, or we can wait for the source info bug to get fixed
# [22:12] <sfink> in #devtools, they want to know the source so they can get it fixed :(
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# [22:17] <Standard8> BenWa: what's the values in the running and self columns? I can't find any references to the values on devmo
# [22:17] <Standard8> I'm guessing its milli or micro seconds
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# [22:18] <joe> cdiehl: is 878751 ready for me to work on it?
# [22:18] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/24b0907a5df4 - Jeff Walden - Bug 846986 - Include jsscriptinlines.h in SPSProfiler.cpp so that it builds in no-jit configurations. r=jandem, a=akeybl
# [22:18] <cdiehl> joe: yes
# [22:18] <joe> cdiehl: ok thanks
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# [22:26] <joe> cdiehl: hrm, my debug build immediately crashes with a use-after-poison
# [22:26] <joe> on startup i mean
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# [22:27] <cdiehl> joe: please update your llvm
# [22:27] <cdiehl> (in case you are using your own build)
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# [22:27] <aklotz> ehsan: ping
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# [22:28] <joe> cdiehl: ah, ok
# [22:28] <joe> or perhaps I will simply revert to ubuntu's llvm
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# [22:31] <cdiehl> joe: I was confused beause I couldn't reproduce it in my MacOS opt build from last week but he responded now that it even works with a build from may 1st (which I can confirm on Linux)
# [22:31] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/4b3ac2b99724 - Nikhil Marathe - Bug 867868 - Alarms tests. r=jlebar
# [22:31] <joe> hrm
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# [22:31] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/0949c968c398 - Nikhil Marathe - Bug 867868 - Implement nsITimer based alarms in HAL fallback. r=jlebar
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# [22:32] <cdiehl> joe: I looked at the image source and it is basically the same corrupt image as in the assertion failure bug (but you will know more)
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# [22:33] <@gavin> bent: I heard you were working on shared workers
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# [22:33] <bent> gavin, sorta/maybe
# [22:34] <bent> gavin, why, what's up?
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# [22:35] <jwalden> avih: I just want to tell you both good luck. We're all counting on you.
# [22:35] <@gavin> bent: is there a bug yet?
# [22:36] <@gavin> bent: social is using a fake shared worker (FrameWorker.jsm) because we don't have real ones yet. we'd like to use real ones.
# [22:36] <cdiehl> joe: ah, and the patch for the assertion failure bug 856616 is different from its reference bug and never landed
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# [22:38] <bent> gavin, hm, what other stuff does social use in that fake worker? i thought it used some storage apis and such?
# [22:38] <catlee> robcee: do you do developer tools stuff?
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# [22:38] <robcee> catlee: uh yeah?
# [22:38] <robcee> why?
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# [22:39] <@gavin> bent: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/toolkit/components/social/FrameWorker.jsm#136
# [22:39] <catlee> robcee: can you make all of the things in the web console copy-able?
# [22:39] <robcee> right click, select-all, copy
# [22:40] <@ehsan> akeybl: hi
# [22:41] <akeybl> hey ehsan
# [22:41] <robcee> catlee: ^ ?
# [22:41] <@smaug> gavin: localStorage?
# [22:41] <@gavin> smaug: yes
# [22:41] <@smaug> I don't think workers are supposed to implement localStorage
# [22:41] <bent> gavin, WebSocket, FileReader, and EventSource are not yet available in workers
# [22:42] <@gavin> bent: yes, I know
# [22:42] <bent> gavin, LocalStorage won't ever be
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# [22:42] <bent> gavin, so it looks like there's no way to jump to real shared workers in the near term still
# [22:42] <@gavin> we can potentially come up with some compat shim
# [22:43] <bent> XHR and FileReaderSync are available
# [22:43] <sicking> gavin: can we remove localStorage from the social API and expose IDB instead?
# [22:43] <@ehsan> akeybl: sorry, ponged the wrong person :)
# [22:43] <@ehsan> aklotz: hi
# [22:43] <aklotz> ehsan: I have a question about NS_StackWalk on windows
# [22:43] <@gavin> sicking: can we remove localStorage from the web API and expose IDB instead? :)
# [22:43] <akeybl> np
# [22:43] <catlee> robcee: right-click doesn't work for a lot of things
# [22:44] <catlee> robcee: like in the network tab, I want to copy the url
# [22:44] <@gavin> sicking: we can possibly be more aggressive with social
# [22:44] <robcee> ah yah
# [22:44] <@ehsan> aklotz: shoot!
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# [22:44] <aklotz> ehsan: For some profiler stuff I need to generated a backtrace of the calling thread, but I'd like to do it without having to fire up an additional thread to suspend, call GetThreadContext, etc
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# [22:45] <@ehsan> right
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# [22:45] <aklotz> ehsan: I was thinking that I could pull the relevant CONTEXT info out of the caller using the frame pointer (since we're profiling, we know it's there) and then I could avoid the additional thread. Thoughts?
# [22:45] <robcee> catlee: it should
# [22:45] <robcee> you should have copy link location and open url in new tab for network requests
# [22:45] <@ehsan> aklotz: that's not possible... I don't think there's any way to get the CONTEXT that you need
# [22:45] <robcee> what version are you using?
# [22:45] <catlee> robcee: latest nightly
# [22:46] <catlee> robcee: are you in the office?
# [22:46] <@ehsan> aklotz: which is why we go through this whole pain of walking from another thread
# [22:46] <robcee> catlee: also, could we do this in #devtools?
# [22:46] <robcee> catlee: no
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# [22:49] <aklotz> ehsan: okay, thanks
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# [22:50] <@ehsan> aklotz: also note that on windows, NS_StackWalk is not safe to call when you don't have frame pointers
# [22:50] <@ehsan> aklotz: so only do it if MOZ_PROFILING is defined...
# [22:50] <@ehsan> otherwise it can crash
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# [22:52] <@gavin> sicking, bent: do we have a better story for "persist a simple boolean flag" than "use https://github.com/mounirlamouri/storage.js" or "use indexedDB" ?
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# [22:53] <sicking> gavin: no
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# [22:54] <@gavin> sicking: that seems a bit sad :/
# [22:54] <vlad> localstorage?
# [22:54] <vlad> I mean localstorage is pretty trivial..
# [22:54] <@gavin> vlad: we're trying to kill localstorage!
# [22:54] <@gavin> stay on message!
# [22:54] <sicking> vlad: localStorage == main-thread-IO
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# [22:55] <vlad> well yes, there is that
# [22:55] <sicking> vlad: it's terribly janky. And it's racy in multi-process browsers
# [22:55] <vlad> I don't disagree
# [22:55] <sicking> vlad: and we can't expose it in workers because it's racy
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# [22:55] <vlad> And yet it's the simplest way to persist a simple boolean flag :)
# [22:55] <gfritzsche> sponge: does QuakeLive require it's users to always have the latest plugin installed?
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# [22:56] <sicking> vlad: that's the problem with main thread IO. It's just so darn easy to use
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# [22:56] <sponge> gfritzsche: yes
# [22:56] <@gavin> sicking: if storage.js was built in, that'd work too
# [22:56] <sponge> you cant get on the site w/o it
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# [22:57] <gfritzsche> sponge: ah, thanks
# [22:57] <@gavin> sicking: middle ground, complexity-wise, between localStorage and IndexedDB
# [22:57] <sicking> gavin: my hope is that once there is a popular storage.js that people agree is "the right API", that we'd build it into the platform
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# [22:57] <sponge> i was looking into it more, looks like getvalue is being called but our deallocate is never being called. i'm mostly confused by everything going on, but i'm going to roll out an update to our testers that will always delete the object on destroy
# [22:57] <vlad> an easy way to avoid main thread io with localstorage is to treat it as cookies and load all of the site's storage into memory on load
# [22:57] <sicking> gavin: but i don't want to create another middle ground that is too complex or solves too few use cases and will require yet more middle grounds
# [22:57] <vlad> that sucks for people storing lots of things in it, but they shouldn't do that
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# [22:58] <sponge> i can't see why there'd be any issue with that esp if the plugin is shutting down so it should be safe
# [22:58] <@gavin> vlad: we're doing stuff like that, but it sucks
# [22:58] <sicking> vlad: it also sucks on mobile where we don't have enough memory
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# [22:58] <vlad> enough memory is relative, though
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# [22:58] <vlad> like, it depends on what you're storing
# [22:58] <sicking> vlad: and it doesn't fix the racyness issue
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# [22:58] <bent> vlad, and people are definitely storing lots of stuff in it
# [22:58] <vlad> if someone stores lots of stuff, then tough
# [22:58] <bent> :)
# [22:58] <@gavin> sicking: "wait until the web reaches consensus" is kind of a sad state of affairs
# [22:58] <@gavin> because in the interim people have no great options
# [22:59] <sicking> gavin: importing a library isn't that terrible, is it?
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# [22:59] <@gavin> well, it's all relative
# [22:59] <@gavin> it's not a disaster, but it's definitely more complicated than having something in the web platform
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# [22:59] <khuey> we should just burn the web to the ground
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# [22:59] <@gavin> and the fragmentation/confusion costs are non-trivial, too
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# [23:00] <vlad> what about an async localstorage?
# [23:00] <bent> vlad, that's what this storage.js is
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# [23:00] <vlad> ah
# [23:00] <bent> or what we want it to be anyway
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# [23:01] <@gavin> sounds like we're being a bit perfect-is-the-enemy-of-the-good-ey
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# [23:02] <@gavin> there's a pretty clear need for something simple like localStorage
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# [23:03] <robcee> this is why we can't have nice things
# [23:03] <robcee> there's a reason web developers use it over everything else we give them
# [23:03] <robcee> it's dead easy
# [23:03] <gfritzsche> bent: i heard you are the right person to review anything ipc-related on bug 853864? ... that patch should be coming up later this week
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# [23:04] <sicking> gavin: well, we've tried twice and failed. Following the same process a 3rd time and hoping we'll get it right seems a bit optimistic, no?
# [23:04] <bent> gfritzsche, not necessarily!
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# [23:04] <@gavin> sicking: which failure are you talking about?
# [23:04] <bent> gfritzsche, but i can redirect it if need be
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# [23:04] <khuey> did we make bent officially own ipc yet?
# [23:04] <bent> gavin, localStorage and indexedDB
# [23:05] <bent> khuey, we did not
# [23:05] <@gavin> localStorage "failed" because of fundamental issues (sync). indexedDB solved that but failed because of API complexity... so let's add something that doesn't have either of those issues?
# [23:05] <khuey> we should do that
# [23:05] <gfritzsche> bent: ok, thanks, that sounds good
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# [23:05] <@gavin> I dunno, seems like we know why we failed, so we shouldn't repeat it
# [23:06] <@gavin> but even trying again and failing seems better than throwing our hands up and saying "use a library"
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# [23:06] <ErvisTusha> hi all any htaccess expert here ?
# [23:06] <bent> the library approach was a deliberate decision for indexeddb fwiw
# [23:07] <fabrice> fwiw, gaia uses an indexeddb wrapper that provides async localstorage
# [23:07] <bent> but even now no one agrees on what a simpler solution would look like
# [23:07] <bent> gaia uses something almost exactly like async localstorage
# [23:08] <bent> but lots of people hate it and want something based on futures
# [23:08] <@gavin> fabrice: yeah, linked that above
# [23:08] <fabrice> gavin: not the same one I think
# [23:08] <@gavin> oh, wait, you mean something else?
# [23:08] <bent> so there's still no agreement on what a simple api should look like
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# [23:08] <fabrice> gavin: https://github.com/mozilla-b2g/gaia/blob/master/shared/js/async_storage.js
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# [23:09] <bent> it's basically the same as storage.js exists now
# [23:09] <@gavin> futures vs. callbacks is kind of a silly debate
# [23:09] <fabrice> bent: people will always bikeshed api style
# [23:09] <@gavin> you can pretty easily shoehown one into the other either way
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# [23:10] <bent> sure... but you can shoehorn indexeddb into async localstorage
# [23:10] <@gavin> "doesn't use futures" isn't a problem the same way "is synchronous" and "has too complex of an API for simple tasks" is
# [23:11] <@gavin> if our next failure is "didn't get on the futures bandwagon soon enough" I think that'd be a pretty good failure
# [23:11] <sicking> gavin: we've done two APIs already, localStorage and IDB, and both are making people unhappy. I'm not convinced that we'd get a 3rd one right without using a better process
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# [23:11] <sicking> gavin: s/APIs/storage APIs/
# [23:11] <@gavin> sicking: you seem to be treating all the unhappiness as equal, and I don't see it that way
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# [23:12] <sicking> gavin: FWIW, "futures vs. callbacks" is one of the most common complaints I get about IDB
# [23:12] <sicking> gavin: many authors consider that one of the most important things
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# [23:12] <@gavin> how common the complaints are isn't related to how serious theproblem is, necessarily :)
# [23:13] <@bz> From the pov of many authors, localStorage is better than IDB
# [23:13] <@bz> API-wise
# [23:13] <@bz> (because it's So Much Simpler)
# [23:13] <sicking> gavin: sure, neither is the fact that your opinion is that it's a silly problem :)
# [23:13] <@bz> and I can't really blame them.....
# [23:13] <@gavin> those authors are dumb and they shouldn't influence us. web policy by gavin.
# [23:13] * @bz has tried to use IDB
# [23:13] <@bz> I had a cheat sheet in the form of MDN
# [23:13] <annevk> bz: that's a tough comparison
# [23:13] <@bz> it was .... interesting
# [23:13] <annevk> bz: if we had async localStorage it be fairer
# [23:13] <@gavin> (the authors that consider futures vs. callbacks to be "the most important thing", to be clear)
# [23:13] <annevk> it'd*
# [23:13] <@bz> annevk: well, sure!
# [23:14] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/8ec73e6aa7d3 - Adam Roach [:abr] - Bug 784519 - Part 4: signalingState mochi tests r=jsmith
# [23:14] <@bz> annevk: but the authors fundamentally don't care about sync vs async, mostly
# [23:14] <@gavin> (authors who prefer localStorage because it's simple _should_ influence us, because I think that's basically everyone)
# [23:14] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/90968836cce3 - Adam Roach [:abr] - Bug 784519 - Part 3: Send Signaling State from SIPCC to PeerConnection r=ekr
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# [23:14] <@bz> gavin: fair
# [23:14] <sicking> gavin: my point is that there are a lot of different opinions. And a lot of different ways of doing things. If we just release another API it'll mostly follow our opinions. And our opinions don't have a great track record
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# [23:14] <@bz> gavin: anyone worrying about future vs callback wouldn't be asking for a sync API for sure
# [23:14] <annevk> bz: but they care about perf and therefore want async
# [23:14] <@bz> annevk: mmm
# [23:15] <@bz> annevk: _some_ of them care about perf
# [23:15] <@bz> annevk: and some of them write jQuery? ;)
# [23:15] <bent> and some argue that they get better perf when it's *sync* ;)
# [23:15] <annevk> maha
# [23:15] <@gavin> sicking: not all opinions are equally valid. our opinion (as, you know, web experts etc.) is more important.
# [23:15] <@dolske> gavin: yeah, I'd tend to thing that sicne Futures and new and this is an existing complex problem, jsut taking futures off the table for now is an entirely reasonable starting point.
# [23:15] <@gavin> sicking: it's not our opinions that were wrong, it's our execution. and now we can learn from those mistakes
# [23:15] <annevk> we should never have given them sync :)
# [23:16] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/d94a84a5a0ac - Sriram Ramasubramanian - Bug 876938: MenuItem should handle closing the menu of share action. [r=wesj]
# [23:16] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/0fc2d7079ac7 - Sriram Ramasubramanian - Bug 869123: Quick share action for android menu. [r=wesj]
# [23:16] <annevk> "we made a huge mistake"
# [23:16] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/02fd86cfa7ed - Sriram Ramasubramanian - Bug 869123: Optimize action-provider by using it only when needed. [r=mfinkle]
# [23:16] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/055a2357e1a8 - Sriram Ramasubramanian - Bug 869123: Fix setIntent() call in ActionProvider. [r=mfinkle]
# [23:16] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/d9eaa9f9b291 - Sriram Ramasubramanian - Bug 869123: Fix testShareLink to support submenu in 14+. [r=mfinkle]
# [23:16] <@gavin> "we made some mistakes, so let's just give up because we'll never get it right" is not a good strategy IMO :)
# [23:17] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/43c0123f158b - Vivien Nicolas - Backout c0213576a3b7 and 780d65e3ebfa (bug 874984) because it was slowing down HTML rendering
# [23:17] <@bz> mmm
# [23:17] <bent> so what's the argument against using storage.js?
# [23:17] <@bz> the fact that macports now has binary packages is awesome
# [23:17] <bent> "too complicated"?
# [23:17] <@gavin> bent: why don't we just stop writing gecko features and tell people to just use web.js?
# [23:17] <khuey> sounds like a plan to me!
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# [23:17] <khuey> more time for drinking margaritas on the roof deck
# [23:18] <@bz> can I wontfix webidl arrays?
# [23:18] <@smaug> khuey: oh, that is what you've been doing after your trip to taiwan
# [23:18] <annevk> gavin: so that is actually something we should be doing short term
# [23:18] <khuey> smaug: no I've been suffering through jetlag
# [23:18] <annevk> gavin: after more iteration we can then provide it as a standard library
# [23:18] <khuey> bz: omg yes plz
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# [23:19] <annevk> gavin: but the approach of us shipping standard libraries by default without iteration by web developers is not liked very much
# [23:19] <@gavin> annevk: to some degree, perhaps, but as an actual web-evolution strategy I think it introduces way too much lag
# [23:19] <@smaug> khuey: I know I know, or guessed
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# [23:19] <@gavin> annevk: we have to be applying some pressure ourselves, we can't just be reactive
# [23:19] <annevk> gavin: given that 8 years into HTML5 we still haven't done storage right I'm willing to bet on the other strategy going better
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# [23:20] <@gavin> if we'd waited until people made webgl.js we'd be waiting a long time
# [23:20] <annevk> gavin: WebGL is a primitive
# [23:20] <annevk> gavin: that's very different from a high-level library such as storage.js
# [23:20] <annevk> we'll still need to be in charge of exposing new primitives, because nobody else can
# [23:20] <@gavin> well, arguably "simple storage" is a primitive
# [23:21] <annevk> but we don't need to be in charge anymore of high-level APIs build on top of the primitives
# [23:21] <annevk> at least not initially, though we can contribute libraries
# [23:21] <@gavin> just because it's possible to implement on top of indexedDB doesn't mean that that will happen quickly enough to address the need
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# [23:21] <auswerk> hi all, new guy here (SF), so apologies for the stupid questions that are about to be typed by my fingers…
# [23:21] <auswerk> who can mark me as an employee on bugzilla so i can view all bugs?
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# [23:22] <annevk> gavin: importing a small library does not seem like a huge migration cost
# [23:22] <sicking> gavin: webgl is the graphics eqivalent of IDB. I.e. it's the low-level primitive that does everything
# [23:22] <@gavin> annevk: I think it's easy to underestimate
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# [23:22] <@bz> auswerk: no one
# [23:22] <@smaug> auswerk: employment doesn't have much to do with bugzilla rights
# [23:22] <@bz> auswerk: because there is no "employee" group in bugzilla
# [23:22] <@gavin> auswerk: you don't need to be marked an employee "to see all the bugs"
# [23:22] <annevk> gavin: I hope to actually discuss this on dev.platform soonish once my fellow TAG members release a short brief on the matter
# [23:22] <tessarakt2> Is there a channel on XPConnect?
# [23:23] <khuey> auswerk: what's your email address?
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# [23:23] <khuey> oh
# [23:23] <khuey> view bugs
# [23:23] <@bz> auswerk: There are several different classes of not-world-visible bugs, but none of them have to do with employment.
# [23:23] <khuey> not edit bugs
# [23:23] <@smaug> tessarakt2: #content perhaps
# [23:23] <khuey> nobody can do that ;-)
# [23:23] <mccr8> well, there are moco confidential bugs...
# [23:23] <sicking> gavin: if you think webgl was doing the right thing, then I would argue that IDB does too. In fact, i think we made IDB more focused on direct-author-friendlyness than webgl did
# [23:23] <@bz> auswerk: So which bug do you actually want to view?
# [23:23] <@gavin> there are bugs that are limited to MoCo employees, but they're mostly not important to most people
# [23:23] * khuey should read harder
# [23:23] <auswerk> gavin: ah, gotcha
# [23:23] <annevk> gavin: but iterating through libraries will in general go much faster than standards process
# [23:23] <@bz> mccr8: yes, sure
# [23:23] <@smaug> tessarakt2: or bholley's mind
# [23:23] <tessarakt2> khuey: ah, you might know the answer
# [23:23] <@bz> mccr8: I assume he has access to those already....
# [23:23] <tessarakt2> saw you on bug 811784
# [23:23] <khuey> tessarakt2: #content is the closest thing we have to one
# [23:23] <mccr8> bz: not if they are using a non-MoCo email address. :)
# [23:23] <auswerk> bz: nothing in particular right now, was just trying to set up all my accounts and i thought it was something i needed to do :)
# [23:24] <@bz> auswerk: the most common form of hidden bug is a security bug
# [23:24] <bholley> tessarakt2: ping me in #content?
# [23:24] <khuey> yeah you need to do something special for those bits
# [23:24] <khuey> it may have changed in the 2 years since I joined
# [23:24] <@bz> auswerk: and access to those tends to be on a need to know basis
# [23:24] <@gavin> set your bugzilla email in phonebook
# [23:24] <sicking> gavin: i do totally feel your pain. But we already have 2 storage APIs. And the web has 2 more (filesystem and websql). There is very little appetite for adding another one.
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# [23:24] <auswerk> gavin: thanks! will do
# [23:24] <@bz> but for the moco ones, I think what gavin said
# [23:24] <tessarakt2> the question is about loadSubScript
# [23:24] <mccr8> oh right, it is all automatically handled now!
# [23:24] <mccr8> we're living in the future
# [23:24] <tessarakt2> does not really have to do with a DOM
# [23:24] <@bz> It's like we have computers to do our work for us
# [23:24] <auswerk> bz: gotcha, thanks
# [23:25] <@gavin> sicking: I care more about apetite from web authors than I do about apetite from us :)
# [23:25] <tessarakt2> is it by design or by accident that dump is available as a global in a script loaded with loadSubScript into a sandbox?
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# [23:25] <fabrice> sicking: everyone should just use devicestorage
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# [23:25] <sicking> gavin: sure, but if we do another one it'll be mozilla specific
# [23:25] <sicking> fabrice: ha!
# [23:25] <annevk> pretty sure cookies is where it's at
# [23:26] <sicking> fabrice: if we're lucky devicestorage will end up using the same API as filesystem, so it'll be just half an API
# [23:26] <gfritzsche> hm, is the nsTArray buffer actually guaranteed to be contiguous? doesn't seem to be documented as such
# [23:26] <sicking> gfritzsche: yes
# [23:26] <sicking> gfritzsche: otherwise the elements() function wouldn't work
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# [23:26] <mccr8> do we have any non-contiguous nsTArray-like structure?
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# [23:27] <mccr8> aside from EdgePool
# [23:27] <gfritzsche> sicking: ah, thanks, overlooked that one
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# [23:27] <bent> LinkedList
# [23:27] <jorendorff> doh
# [23:27] <mccr8> hmm. yeah maybe I should consider reimplementing edgepool using a linked list or something..
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# [23:28] <@smaug> LinkedList might be a bit heavy
# [23:28] <firebot> Check-in:
# [23:28] <gaston> jorendorff: to try, right ? :p
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# [23:28] <firebot> this first made it easier to get the whole stack working in GCC.)
# [23:28] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/5f70ad99154c - Jason Orendorff - Bug 872416, part 3 - Make frontend/BytecodeCompiler.h not include frontend/Parser.h. r=luke.
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# [23:28] <@smaug> mccr8: why you'd want to do that
# [23:28] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/8ed346e399fe - Jason Orendorff - Bug 872416, part 1 - Move js::frontend::LexicalLookup from a header into the only file that uses it. r=luke.
# [23:28] <@smaug> edgepool is a bit odd, sure
# [23:28] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/bcf7a837657c - Jason Orendorff - Bug 872416, part 5a - Make vm/RegExpObject-inl.h and vm/RegExpStatic-inl.h not include each other, breaking an include cycle. r=luke. (Reviewed as "part 10", but
# [23:28] <mccr8> smaug: I just dislike having all these weird data structures in the CC...
# [23:28] <firebot> changing the order of the patches made it easier to get the whole stack working in GCC.)
# [23:29] <mccr8> smaug: it would be nice if I could get somebody else to maintain them
# [23:29] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/0f50e301b1c4 - Jason Orendorff - Bug 872416, part 5b - Make objinlines.h not include vm/RegExpStatics-inl.h. r=luke. (Reviewed as "part 5".)
# [23:29] <@smaug> :)
# [23:29] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/5d6e363a7b4b - Jason Orendorff - Bug 872416, part 6 - Make jsobjinlines.h not include jsscriptinlines.h, eliminating the #include cycle jsscriptinlines.h -> vm/Shape-inl.h -> jsobjinlines.h ->
# [23:29] <mccr8> though they seem to be relatively bug free and don't change much so it isn't really a big deal...
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# [23:29] <firebot> "part 2". The other half didn't work in GCC and is on hold.)
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# [23:30] <@smaug> mccr8: you could also factor those ds out from CC
# [23:30] <@smaug> and perhaps give them nicer api
# [23:30] <mccr8> yeah...
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# [23:33] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/04a12e995be8 - Jason Orendorff - Backed out changeset 5d6e363a7b4b, which hasn't got review yet.
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# [23:36] <gaston> Bug 872416 title is soooo true
# [23:37] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/3e2d3f3235b4 - Rick Eyre - Bug 772321 - Implement CSS parsing of writing-mode r=dbaron
# [23:37] <gaston> jorendorff: once this is completely landed, i'll make sure to build it on sparc64 & ppc to collect the broken pieces ..
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# [23:37] <jorendorff> gaston: Thank you.
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# [23:38] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/9c001ba8508a - Drew Willcoxon - Bug 870105 - In BackgroundPageThumbs.jsm, size the browser once using browser.style rather than after each page load using nsIDOMWindowUtils.setCSSViewport. r=ttaubert
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# [23:46] <dholbert> abr, crashtest orange on your push
# [23:47] <abr> Argh!
# [23:47] <abr> Okay, thanks.
# [23:47] <abr> Odd, really. My try push was clean
# [23:47] <dholbert> abr, at least one of them is green on prev. push
# [23:47] <dholbert> abr, was your try push opt-only?
# [23:47] <abr> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=17d40635ff27
# [23:47] <abr> It was… pretty comprehensive.
# [23:47] <dholbert> nope
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# [23:47] <dholbert> abr, "-u mochitests"
# [23:48] <dholbert> abr, you only ran mochitests :)
# [23:48] <dholbert> no crashtests
# [23:48] <abr> Ah, drat. Forgot.
# [23:48] <abr> Okay, thanks.
# [23:48] <dholbert> np
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# [23:48] <abr> Go ahead and kick out both patches (it's probably the bottom one). I'll work out what happened.
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# [23:49] <dholbert> abr, would you mind backing 'em out? I'm in the middle of several things
# [23:49] <dholbert> abr, I just noticed when looking at another push on tbpl, & thought I'd let you know :)
# [23:49] <dholbert> abr, (normally I'd suspect that RyanVM or philor would already be backing you out, but they're both afk)
# [23:49] <abr> I can give it a spin. The only times I've tried this in the past, I've managed to mess up some combination of my local repsitory or the tree. Sometimes both.
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# [23:51] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/cf217434dcd8 - Terrence Cole - Bug 879112 - Allocate singleton call objects tenured; r=bhackett
# [23:51] <dholbert> abr, 'hg backout [your tipmost cset]; hg commit; hg backout [next cset]; hg commit' should work
# [23:52] <dholbert> (depending on your hg version. hg backout used to be significantly more complicated than they are now)
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# [23:52] <dholbert> abr, I'm happy to do it if you're worried though
# [23:52] <abr> I'm giving it a spin...
# [23:52] <abr> I'll get it right one of these times. Might be this one. :)
# [23:52] <dholbert> cool. note that terrence just pushed, so unless you pulled within the last minute, you'll need to get that cset
# [23:54] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/989c3713ab99 - Brian Hackett - Bug 878293 - Remove Parser::init, cleanup parse maps pool, r=waldo.
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# [23:55] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/6009ee2dd98d - Adam Roach [:abr] - Backed out changeset 90968836cce3 (bug 784519) r=bustage
# [23:55] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/8b38bc9208b8 - Adam Roach [:abr] - Backed out changeset 8ec73e6aa7d3 (bug 784519) r=bustage
# [23:55] <abr> dholbert -- That should do it. I hope.
# [23:55] <dholbert> abr, looks like you got it right! :)
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# [23:59] <dholbert> If anyone's about to push: probably worth holding off to give our builders a chance to catch up (and sort through whatever latent orange is lurking in the last few pushes)
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# [23:59] <dholbert> (RyanVM and philor are both away, and TBPL frontpage is entirely gray [running/pending builds, of unknown quality] right now)
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