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  26. # [00:50] <deian> The CSP implementation in Gecko differs from Webkit. Specifically, when I set the directive connect-src: 'none' (or 'self'), we still perform the request but do not show the response.
  27. # [00:50] <deian> The spec states that the XHR open() should return 400, but is there a reson the request is actually perfomed?
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  177. # [05:51] <jcranmer> interesting
  178. # [05:52] <jcranmer> I just a probably-malware advertisemen telling me that my firefox was out-of-date, complete with a spoof of the alert dialog
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  182. # [05:54] <capella> The nuts are loose ...
  183. # [05:55] <jcranmer> well, there's also a lot of "your flash player is out of date" malware ads lately
  184. # [05:56] <jcranmer> those are really funny to watch on Linux since the spoof the wrong UX :-P
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  194. # [06:07] <@dolske> jcranmer: url/screenshot? </curious>
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  196. # [06:09] <jcranmer> dolske: I closed it immediately
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  198. # [06:09] <@dolske> aww.
  199. # [06:09] <jcranmer> just go look on any site of questionable legality, you'll find stuff like it
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  201. # [06:10] <@dolske> are you trying to buy drugs online again?
  202. # [06:10] <jcranmer> or maybe click the porn links that people send to news.mozilla.org
  203. # [06:10] * jcranmer doesn't use drugs, legal or illegal
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  206. # [06:14] <Jesse> not even caffeine or alcohol?
  207. # [06:14] * @dolske notes oxygen is classified as a drug. :P
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  210. # [06:15] <@dolske> and one helluva drug it is!
  211. # [06:15] * @dolske is totally addicted :/
  212. # [06:16] * @dolske huffs his way to the o-zone
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  214. # [06:18] <Callek> dolske: wait what? its classified as a drug?!?
  215. # [06:22] <@dolske> Yes. Although I conviently left out that it depends on the context of its use.
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  218. # [06:23] <@dolske> * conveniently. I should lern to spel that someday.
  219. # [06:25] * capella gave up alcohol and just do the hard stuff now ... chocolate
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  221. # [06:26] <Callek> hehe, so breathing doesn't count, ahhh shucks, I was about to call the police station and tell whoever picks up that I know every officer working tonight is doing drugs
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  224. # [06:29] <jcranmer> Jesse: I only have alcohol when I don't know I'm having it
  225. # [06:29] <jcranmer> that stuff is nasty
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  234. # [06:46] <reuben> dolske: pure oxygen is poisonous
  235. # [06:46] <@dolske> only if you're in an Apollo 1 capsule.
  236. # [06:46] <Jesse> or otherwise on fire
  237. # [06:47] <@dolske> it burns.
  238. # [06:48] <@dolske> (too soon?)
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  242. # [06:52] <@dolske> semitangent here about how, while software engineering doesn't typically kill people, it can still have serious effects.
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  250. # [07:13] <jcranmer|away> like megalomania
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  333. # [09:26] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/8ef966de04d5 - Mike Hommey - Bug 874708 - Backout changeset 4655d7317a03 (part of bug 875824) now that the linker itself has a mitigation that works on the SGS4
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  397. # [11:03] <avih> bz: pre-OMTC, if i'd want to detect paint handlers starvation, should i count refresh-driver iteration which ended in some invalidation, and compare this number to handled paint events?
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  399. # [11:04] <avih> bz: my context is bug 880036, and i want to add some telemetry which gives us feedback about this case,
  400. # [11:04] <avih> .
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  429. # [11:25] <Ms2ger> avih, dunno if he's usually around 5AM on a Sunday morning ;)
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  440. # [11:28] <reuben> what's the difference between jsval and nsIVariant?
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  453. # [11:35] <reuben> (as the type of a parameter, on an interface that is implemented in JS)
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  475. # [11:45] <Ms2ger> reuben, not much, probably
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  481. # [11:50] <reuben> I figured. I think this used to be implemented in C++, so maybe nsIVariants were easier to use
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  493. # [11:59] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/313e1ff9266d - Hannes Verschore - Bug 880891 - IonMonkey: Only trigger invalidation when decided to inline function, r=djvj
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  513. # [12:17] <NeilAway> that feel when your application hangs your debugger
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  556. # [13:21] <avih> Ms2ger: don't confuse me with facts please :)
  557. # [13:21] <Ms2ger> :)
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  664. # [16:48] <marxin> hi, I would like to measure firefox startup phases, are there any places I could place printing of timestamps? First I found is f.e. XRE_main, what about 'tab opened' event or welcome screen opened event?
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  666. # [16:49] <gaston> about:startup and telemetry already works on this iirc..
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  670. # [16:58] <marxin> gaston: thank you, my system firefox works with about:startup, but nightly build displays just 'main' without any data. Is there any configure option needed?
  671. # [16:58] <gaston> about:startup comes from an extension iirc
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  673. # [17:00] <marxin> gaston: can't find any iirc in configure.in, google tells nothing too :)
  674. # [17:00] <gaston> maybe it got merged
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  676. # [17:02] <marxin> gaston: Simple Measurements in telemetry presents the same data.
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  693. # [17:24] <avih> marxin: do you compile nigtlies yourself? if yes, it could be a compile option as well.
  694. # [17:24] <marxin> avih: yes, I did. Looks about:telemetry presents the data I need ;)
  695. # [17:24] <avih> cool :)
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  697. # [17:26] <marxin> I need to compare startup times with all firefox tunning features like elfhack, preload, function reordering, faulty.lib, etc.
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  701. # [17:28] <marxin> Have question if f.e. adding --disable-elfhack really needs complete rebuilding?
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  755. # [18:35] <avih> marxin: maybe not, but it probably won't be easy for you to find out the minimum subset which needs recompilation.
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  757. # [18:35] <avih> marxin: much more probable that recompiling would be much faster ;)
  758. # [18:36] <Ms2ger> dhylands|travel, strange, given that DeviceStorage is on WebIDL
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  764. # [18:43] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/750cf3ffac80 - Ivaylo Dimitrov - Bug 880029 - gstreamer - high CPU usage after patch for Bug 856562 landed. r=alessandro.d
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  766. # [18:47] <Ms2ger> freelance writer
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  774. # [18:51] <khuey> taras: yes, he is
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  776. # [18:52] <Ms2ger> Calling a meeting for tomorrow?
  777. # [18:52] <janv> Ms2ger: I know, I know, it should be done by tomorrow
  778. # [18:52] <Ms2ger> janv, thanks :)
  779. # [18:52] <khuey> Ms2ger: mmm, probably should
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  781. # [18:53] <khuey> though I can't attend
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  783. # [18:53] <Ms2ger> We'll miss you
  784. # [18:53] <Ms2ger> A little ;)
  785. # [18:53] <khuey> yeah right
  786. # [18:54] <khuey> you'd be happy if I were shipped off to Mars as long as I kept doing reviews :-P
  787. # [18:54] <Ms2ger> Do you know what the review delay would be if you were on Mars?!
  788. # [18:55] <ekr> khuey: I thought you were already on mars.
  789. # [18:55] <ekr> khuey: do the words "microphone api" mean anything to you?
  790. # [18:55] <khuey> Ms2ger: at least 22 minutes?
  791. # [18:55] <khuey> I think you could live with that
  792. # [18:56] <khuey> ekr: well presumably it's an API involving microphones
  793. # [18:56] <khuey> but no, not really
  794. # [18:56] <ekr> khuey: or it's a code name!
  795. # [18:56] <Callek> khuey: as long as you had downstream and upstream better than dialup on mars, even if it had latency, as long as the total bitrate was good we'll be fine
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  797. # [18:56] <Ms2ger> Fair enough
  798. # [18:56] <Callek> khuey: just don't expect ssh to work, since anything that needs 2-way comms to work would fail totally
  799. # [18:57] <ekr> khuey: my problem is that I haven't heard of it either. I'm hoping it's just another name for getUserMedia.
  800. # [18:57] <khuey> ekr: yeah it could be some NSA thing :-P
  801. # [18:58] <marxin> avih: thanks, I will do it so
  802. # [18:58] <Callek> ekr: <form action="server.cgi" method="post" enctype="multipart/form-data"> <input type="file" name="audio" accept="audio/*" capture> <input type="submit" value="Upload"> </form>
  803. # [18:58] <Callek> per http://www.w3.org/TR/html-media-capture/
  804. # [18:58] <khuey> ekr: there's also https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/speech-api/raw-file/tip/speechapi.html
  805. # [18:58] <Ms2ger> Callek, don't forget, TR stands for trash
  806. # [18:59] <ekr> My understanding is that http://www.w3.org/TR/html-media-capture/ is now deprecated in favor of: http://dev.w3.org/2011/webrtc/editor/getusermedia.html
  807. # [18:59] <khuey> I thought it stood for Tyrannosaurus rex?
  808. # [18:59] <ekr> I don't know about speech api.
  809. # [19:00] <ekr> I suspect we will not be doing speech recognition in the phone :)
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  811. # [19:00] <Ms2ger> khuey, that would be Tr
  812. # [19:00] <Callek> possible.... but unlikely given media capture has a date of |W3C Candidate Recommendation 09 May 2013| and getusermedia is not far off
  813. # [19:00] <Callek> in fact is a WD ||W3C Working Draft 16 May 2013||
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  815. # [19:01] <ekr> Callek: My impression was that that was inertia. but I could be wrong
  816. # [19:01] <Callek> ekr: basically I think they each achieve different use cases, in different ways
  817. # [19:01] <khuey> html media capture is a DAP spec
  818. # [19:01] <ekr> Well, with recording API + gUM you should be able to do everything here.
  819. # [19:01] <Callek> dear lazy irc: define:DAP
  820. # [19:02] <Ms2ger> The B2G WG
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  822. # [19:02] <khuey> no that's sysapps
  823. # [19:03] <Ms2ger> SysApps is mounir's B2G WG
  824. # [19:03] <Ms2ger> There's a 2 in B2G, they need two WGs too
  825. # [19:03] <ekr> well, it would be totally awesome to have both this and gUM
  826. # [19:03] <ekr> that wouldn't confuse anyone
  827. # [19:04] <Ms2ger> ekr, sounds like something the W3C would do, than
  828. # [19:04] <Ms2ger> Ugh
  829. # [19:04] <Ms2ger> then
  830. # [19:04] <Callek> ekr: khuey: well one way or another avk can tell us for sure if media-capture is deprecated/obsolete in favor of gUM
  831. # [19:04] <Callek> and I'd trust him (or Hixie) to tell us, and know quite handily
  832. # [19:04] <ekr> I'm talking to abarth, who seems to think that we are going to have both.
  833. # [19:04] <khuey> http://www.w3.org/wiki/Media_Capture
  834. # [19:04] <ekr> Which is awesome
  835. # [19:04] <Ms2ger> Hixie hasn't been following the webrtc stuff for a while now
  836. # [19:05] <khuey> also http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-capture/
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  838. # [19:05] <khuey> in theory there's coordination here
  839. # [19:05] <Callek> Ms2ger: ooo really?
  840. # [19:05] <khuey> in practice I have no idea
  841. # [19:05] <ekr> khuey: right, which is why I thought so.
  842. # [19:05] <Ms2ger> Clearly the TAG will make it all right, with promises
  843. # [19:05] <ekr> I think they are called futures now
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  846. # [19:05] <Ms2ger> No, future is the past
  847. # [19:06] <ekr> Hey, that's an awesome idea.
  848. # [19:06] <ekr> We should rename all variables that have values now to be "Pasts"
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  852. # [19:06] <Callek> ekr: only they'll be futures again when we invent the time machine
  853. # [19:06] <Callek> and then opera steals it, goes back in time, and invents it
  854. # [19:06] <Callek> s/invents/patents/
  855. # [19:09] <Ms2ger> The NSA will having beat them to it
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  863. # [19:19] <khuey> Ms2ger++
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  893. # [19:58] <jesup|laptop> I need to run, but Media Capture and the connection to getUserMedia was discussed extensively a year ago with Anant, myself, Sicking, and a few others. I'll need to review to make sure I remember correctly the final state was, but we've been supporting some aspects of it on Android. I'm not sure how much it's been used in the field, though that could partially be a result of non-support from us.
  894. # [19:58] * jesup|laptop will try to review over the next day
  895. # [19:59] * jesup|laptop is glad he doesn't follow all the suggestions about purging old emails...
  896. # [19:59] <ekr> there is some of it in chrome as well.
  897. # [19:59] <ekr> but I think that's a different question from whether we want to implement more of it
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  901. # [20:04] <derf> ekr: I think the idea of the Speech API is that the UA does not actually do the recognition.
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  903. # [20:05] <derf> It forwards the data to some service a la Siri.
  904. # [20:05] <ekr> derf: but with the coordinates of that service embedded in the browser?
  905. # [20:05] <derf> Right.
  906. # [20:05] <Ms2ger> *to the NSA
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  908. # [20:05] <ekr> Though apparently it's configurable.
  909. # [20:05] <ekr> How un-mozilla
  910. # [20:06] <derf> I'll let you explain that to dougt.
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  940. # [20:31] <mounir> Ms2ger: good summary :)
  941. # [20:31] <Ms2ger> :)
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  957. # [21:04] <sumedh> Hi. I have been fixing a few "good first bugs" but I am not yet comfortable with the non mentored ones. What do you suggest i do? Thanks in advance for any help :-)
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  986. # [21:35] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/68aaa8ae9d93 - Rodrigo Silveira - Bug 880745 - Intermittent browser_history.js r=jimm
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  1030. # [22:32] <jcranmer> NeilAway: does that mean you're reviewing patches? :-)
  1031. # [22:33] <NeilAway> what is it with all of these developers who don't want me to be able to debug my browser?
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  1072. # [23:23] <tbsaunde> NeilAway: they just want you to debug there bugs first ;/
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