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21. # [00:15] <@smaug> dan: yes
22. # [00:16] <dan> ah
23. # [00:16] <dan> so
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25. # [00:16] <dan> karl: I'm trying to add multitouch input on linux to gecko, I talked to smaug and he told me to add it to the gtk widget, anything to get started with doing that?
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34. # [00:23] <karl> dan: do you have a bug number; i suspect there is already one
35. # [00:23] <karl> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=711711
36. # [00:24] <dan> karl: what's the status?
37. # [00:26] <karl> i think the main change since then is that firefox can build against gtk3 now with a small patch https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=627699#c271
38. # [00:26] <dan> karl: does that mean it supports multitouch when built against gtk3?
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40. # [00:29] <karl> dan: i don't know much about how gtk3 handles multitouch, but i expect it sends events to GtkWidgets, which Gecko would need to turn into its own events and eventually DOM events
41. # [00:29] <karl> dan: i don't think the code to turn gtk events into NSEvents exists yet
42. # [00:30] <dan> hmm, ok
43. # [00:31] <dan> karl: well, I got a touch frame that can do https://github.com/TouchLay/tlay-touch and tuio.org events, those are both udp protocols, I want to listen to those in gecko and convert them to DOM/w3c touch events so I can use the html5 multitouch apps
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46. # [00:34] <karl> dan: is there a userspace-side driver for the touch pad that sends the udp packets?
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49. # [00:35] <dan> karl: there can be, but the current implementation is a kernel-side driver for the touch frame that sends those packets
50. # [00:36] <karl> dan: do clients connect to a specific localhost network port number?
51. # [00:37] <dan> karl: yes, but the port can be changed if that's needed :P
52. # [00:38] <karl> dan: are you wanting to write an extension or have this in Gecko itself?
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57. # [00:39] <dan> karl: in gecko itself as I want a single window with xulrunner only displaying a single webpage (actually I already have a simple xul app to do exactly that)
58. # [00:40] <NeilAway> karl: do we still not have true outerHeight on linux yet?
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61. # [00:44] <karl> NeilAway: that's right outerHeight is only the application window height: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=581866
62. # [00:46] <karl> dan: if you want code committed to Gecko, then one question that will need to be addressed is whether the implementation is generally useful; i'm wondering why this approach of listening to a socket instead of X server events, and whether that is the approach generally used by multitouch aware apps?
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64. # [00:46] <dan> karl: tuio is pretty widely used in multitouch apps
65. # [00:47] <dan> karl: I'd really like it to get commited into gecko, but I do understand that is a very specific implementation, so I guess it will be seperate for now?
66. # [00:48] <karl> dan: i'm not seeing a Gentoo package for "tuio", is there a piece of software under a different name that provides tuio?
67. # [00:48] <dan> karl: tuio is a specification, just like tlay-touch
68. # [00:49] <dan> they both provide libraries but they are not a package like that
69. # [00:49] <dan> and most of the multitouch apps are hacked together anyway, tuio itself is a huge hack
70. # [00:49] <dan> the tuio libraries are based on open sound control and midi
71. # [00:52] <NeilAway> karl: so is there any way we can solve bug 507640 without guesswork?
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81. # [01:01] <karl> NeilAway: on X11, getting the bounds of the decorations for an existing window is reasonably possible, but setting a window to a specific outer size is harder
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90. # [01:06] <karl> dan: i'm not sure what to suggest; if you just want to experiment with a patched widget/gtk2/nsWindow.cpp, then that's problem easiest; i get the feeling that an extension is more appropriate if you'd like to distribute to users of core Gecko apps, but that may be more work and i'm not familiar with the APIs available to the extension; it may need to send DOM events rather than generating NSEvents
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92. # [01:07] <dan> karl: ok, thanks
93. # [01:07] <dan> you helped me a lot already :P
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96. # [01:08] <karl> dan: i assume the implementation needs to know when the mouse is over the window, or when the window has focus, so it can know when events are intended for this application
97. # [01:08] <dan> yeah
98. # [01:08] <karl> dan: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=603008 may be a good place to start looking
99. # [01:09] <dan> ah thanks
100. # [01:10] <karl> dan: perhaps look at https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=554823 but i don't know whether that's related to what you need or not
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104. # [01:11] <karl> NeilAway: i'm a bit surprised that the window manager doesn't restrict the window size to the screen; i wonder whether that is due to a minimum size that Gecko sets
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108. # [01:12] <NeilAway> karl: ok thanks anyway
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113. # [01:15] <karl> NeilAway: looks like Unity may have the additional complication that windows don't overlay the system panel
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172. # [04:22] <jcranmer> njn: in theory, most code should be in the mozilla:: namespace in the first place
173. # [04:22] <jcranmer> ot
174. # [04:22] <jcranmer> it's more annoying when the namespace is mozilla::mailnews
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193. # [04:49] <njn> jcranmer: my practice laughs at your theory
194. # [04:51] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/eda60af67603 - Matt Woodrow - Bug 877949 - Restrict maximum texture size on nvidia cards on OSX 10.6 and 10.7 to 4096. r=bjacob
195. # [04:51] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/8ce5f3f4937d - Matt Woodrow - Bug 877534 - Use a shutdown listener to destroy the compositor from nsBaseWidget. r=roc
196. # [04:51] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/12a114363dbc - Matt Woodrow - Bug 882590 - Fix invalid assertion when creating a SharedSurface_GLTexture without a consumer GLContext. r=jgilbert
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200. # [04:53] <jcranmer> njn: and my system can't sustain an SSH connection, apparently
201. # [04:53] * jcranmer wonders if we should be trying harder to move everything to the mozilla namespace
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203. # [04:55] <Jesse> my clang asan build is broken :(
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208. # [04:57] <jcranmer> can someone convince the Debian/Ubuntu people to stop changing the paths of gcc header locations?
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286. # [07:20] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/3c033a95ef26 - Brian Smith - Bug 879135, Part 1: Remove nsNSSComponent::RememberCert, r=cviecco
287. # [07:20] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/022e0c982ca3 - Brian Smith - Bug 879134: Remove obsolete CFM migration code from nsNSSComponent, r=cviecco, r=wtc
288. # [07:20] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/c401b8894929 - Brian Smith - Bug 879137: Move nsCryptoHash and nsCryptoHMAC to their own source file, r=cviecco
289. # [07:20] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/911f92728d22 - Brian Smith - Bug 832848: Removed unused site identity block tooltip logic from PSM, r=dolske
290. # [07:20] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/6876a29a65db - Brian Smith - Bug 879135, Part 2: Remove mScriptSecurityManager from nsNSSComponent, r=cviecco
291. # [07:20] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/7d8b09a16c50 - Brian Smith - Bug 867432: Remove nsIX509Cert.verifyForUsage, r=cviecco, sr=honzab
292. # [07:22] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/f2d55d17a0d8 - Robert O'Callahan - Bug 876092. Copy the DisplayItemClip into OutOfFlowDisplayData instead of storing a pointer. r=mats
293. # [07:22] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/2f2351cb2579 - Robert O'Callahan - Bug 875060. Make display:-moz-stack/-moz-inline-stack elements which are overflow:hidden clip all their descendants, including those for which it is not the
294. # [07:22] <firebot> containing block. r=mats
295. # [07:22] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/3acb52b2a6de - Robert O'Callahan - Bug 882027. Make MediaDecoder::UpdateReadyStateForData always be responsible for calling GetNextFrameStatus when that value is passed to
296. # [07:22] <firebot> HTMLMediaElement::UpdateReadyStateForData, but keep calling GetNextFrameStatus on the state machine thread to suppress dispatching of redundant runnables when nothing has changed. r=cpearce
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336. # [08:26] <Ms2ger> Bonjour
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343. # [08:31] <KWierso|Home> hola
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355. # [08:40] <Optimize1> KWierso|Home: the |Home is redundant
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359. # [08:41] <KWierso> Optimize1: well, what about now?
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361. # [08:41] <Ms2ger> Never met KWierso|InOuterSpace?
362. # [08:41] <Optimize1> KWierso: much better
363. # [08:42] <Optimize1> Ms2ger: not lucky enough
364. # [08:42] <Optimize1> does that need more luck that meeting you ?
365. # [08:42] <Optimize1> than*
366. # [08:43] <Optimize1> moreover, it would be KWierso|OuterSpace , not InOuterSpace
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369. # [08:45] <@roc> Ms2ger: if I have a WebIDL file that defines some numeric constants, do those numeric constants get defined somewhere my C++ code can use?
370. # [08:45] <Ms2ger> No
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372. # [08:45] <@roc> that sucks
373. # [08:45] <Ms2ger> Why are you using numeric constants? :)
374. # [08:45] <@roc> HTMLMediaElement.webidl
375. # [08:45] <Ms2ger> Ah
376. # [08:46] <Ms2ger> Put an enum on dom::HTMLMediaElement?
377. # [08:46] <@roc> sure, I can redefine them myself
378. # [08:46] <@roc> but it still sucks a bit
379. # [08:47] * @roc wonders why HTMLMediaElement doesn't implement nsIDOMHTMLMediaElement anymore but still implements all the XPCOM-style methods via NS_DECL_NSIDOMHTMLMEDIAELEMENT
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384. # [08:52] <@roc> oh, I'm wrong. that interface is implemented
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388. # [08:55] <@roc> Ms2ger: are we leaving interfaces like nsIDOMHTMLMediaElement around for compatibility with extensions, or what?
389. # [08:56] <Ms2ger> Right
390. # [08:56] <Ms2ger> (For now)
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398. # [09:01] <@dolske> hmm. how do see what test suites are hidden on tbpl?
399. # [09:02] <@dolske> ah, there it is.
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549. # [11:33] <Gijs> Hmmmmmmmm. [10:32:33.262] TypeError: this._storage is null @ ux-x86_64-apple-darwin12.4.0/dist/UX.app/Contents/MacOS/components/nsLoginManager.js:491
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565. # [11:47] <Gijs> Hrm. Has anyone ever seen issues on OS X where if you run the built executable with ./mach run or mozrunner, it doesn't seem able to connect anywyhere?
566. # [11:47] <Gijs> If I open a separate Terminal.app tab and navigate to the objdir, into the .app file, and just run ./firefox, it works fine.
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578. # [11:56] <glazou> do we use the NSHighResolutionCapable field in Info.plist to enable high dpi on a Mac retina displays? It does not seem it's the case but I'm not sure
579. # [11:56] <hsivonen> can Firefox OS apps register themselves as helper apps for particular MIME types?
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588. # [11:59] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/eff8e7fefffd - Mounir Lamouri - Bug 883164 - More tests for <input type='file'>.click(). r=smaug
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594. # [12:02] <Yoric> baku: ping
595. # [12:02] <Yoric> hsivonen: Last time I checked, this was not possible.
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597. # [12:03] <@roc> has anyone else noticed Firefox debug builds hanging on startup for several seconds before proceeding?
598. # [12:03] <baku> Yoric, pong
599. # [12:03] <Yoric> baku: Hi.
600. # [12:03] <Yoric> baku: I have questions about dom/workers/URL.cpp, are you the right person?
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606. # [12:04] <baku> Yoric, I wrote it. tell me.
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608. # [12:05] <NeilAway> roc: on Windows? I think I might have, but I thought it was just my PC being slow
609. # [12:05] <Yoric> baku: I'm currently minimizing my example, but I'm pretty sure that I can't use URL.createObjectURL if the worker has been created from a jsm.
610. # [12:05] <Yoric> (as in "attempting to dereference a null nsCOMPtr")
611. # [12:05] <Yoric> Which is kind of blocking.
612. # [12:06] <baku> mmm let me see.
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614. # [12:06] <baku> well Yoric that is definitely a bug.
615. # [12:07] <Yoric> baku: http://dxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/dom/base/URL.cpp#l68
616. # [12:07] <baku> Yoric, would be great if you can file a bug. I'll take it.
617. # [12:07] <Yoric> Thanks.
618. # [12:07] <baku> yep, you probably don't have a window and or a document . is it ?
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620. # [12:07] <@roc> this is on Linux for me
621. # [12:07] <Yoric> baku: I'm almost sure that's the problem, yes.
622. # [12:08] <Yoric> (I haven't finished minimizing my example and tracing the code, but that's my conclusion)
623. # [12:08] <baku> Yoric, ok great. file a bug and put me in CC, or just assign it to me. Thanks!
624. # [12:08] * mattwoodrow|away is now known as mattwoodrow
625. # [12:08] <Yoric> Cool, thanks :)
626. # [12:10] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/b40f8cdc7279 - Matt Woodrow - Bug 877949 - Restrict maximum texture size on nvidia cards on OSX 10.6 and 10.7 to 4096. r=bjacob
627. # [12:10] <Gijs> roc: seen this on Windows as well, but not even a debug build, just a non-opt build had this behaviour for me. :s
628. # [12:10] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/18a68adb330f - Matt Woodrow - Bug 877534 - Use a shutdown listener to destroy the compositor from nsBaseWidget. r=roc
629. # [12:10] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/0f034aaaecff - Matt Woodrow - Bug 882590 - Fix invalid assertion when creating a SharedSurface_GLTexture without a consumer GLContext. r=jgilbert
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631. # [12:11] <@roc> hmm for me I think it's in Adblock
632. # [12:11] <@roc> Gijs: try disabling/removing Adblock?
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634. # [12:11] <Gijs> Ah, that's possible, I installed it to see about add-on bar removal stuff.
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636. # [12:12] <Gijs> roc: at the moment I'm a couple hundred km away from my machine, I'd have to remote in... give me a minute
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643. # [12:17] <Gijs> roc: yeah, that seems to be it...
644. # [12:17] <Gijs> wonder what it's doing. :s
645. # [12:17] <Yoric> baku: Filed, thanks
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647. # [12:18] <baku> Yoric, perfect. thanks.
648. # [12:18] <Yoric> Thank you :)
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651. # [12:18] <baku> do you think you can provide a test soon?
652. # [12:18] <Yoric> I'll try and find a workaround.
653. # [12:18] <Yoric> Well, I had to clobber, but I hope I can have it after lunch.
654. # [12:18] <Yoric> Not a minimal test, but a reproducible one.
655. # [12:19] <Yoric> (lunch starting in about 10 minutes)
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657. # [12:20] <till> roc: ping
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661. # [12:35] <@roc> hi
662. # [12:36] <@roc> Gijs: care to file a bug?
663. # [12:36] <Gijs> roc: about ABP?
664. # [12:36] <@roc> yeah
665. # [12:36] <Gijs> roc: yeah, if you want to guess which product/component I should pick for that.
666. # [12:37] <Gijs> (unless you mean in their tracker rather than ours?)
667. # [12:37] <till> roc: was that "hi" for me?
668. # [12:37] <Gijs> Just Fx untriaged for now?
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670. # [12:39] <Gijs> roc: also, rough idea of when this started happening? I don't normally use it so don't have data from less than a few days back.
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674. # [12:42] <@roc> till: of course
675. # [12:42] <@roc> Gijs: some days for me too. I'm not exactly sure either
676. # [12:43] <Gijs> roc: filed bug 883794.
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685. # [12:50] <till> roc: sorry, real life intervened
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687. # [12:50] <till> roc: do you have a moment to talk about bug 739176?
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690. # [12:52] <@roc> yes
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695. # [12:54] <till> roc: ok, so are you familiar with the Shumway project at all?
696. # [12:54] <@roc> yes
697. # [12:54] <@roc> what I want to know is
698. # [12:54] <till> great
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702. # [12:55] <till> I don't actually think this is very specific to Flash content, at all, but Shumway is a use case where the problems become very visible
703. # [12:56] <@roc> if an object is moving at more than one pixel per frame, do you still need to rerasterize it at every frame
704. # [12:56] <till> partly because there is a lot of Flash content that relies on sub-pixel rendering during animations
705. # [12:56] <@roc> also, are we talking about text, or just path geometry
706. # [12:56] <till> roc: I think that we do, yes
707. # [12:56] <till> both
708. # [12:57] <@roc> this is tough because avoiding re-rasterization of moving objects is an important optimization
709. # [12:57] <till> I understand that
710. # [12:58] <@roc> so do you have any suggestions? :-)
711. # [12:58] <till> so, another question: does applying a very slight rotation on the object have any downsides?
712. # [12:58] <till> apart from enabling sub-pixel rendering and thus costing performance ;)
713. # [12:58] <@roc> I think it probably won't work
714. # [12:59] <till> ah, that *is* a downside
715. # [12:59] <@roc> there are two things we do that interact here
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717. # [13:00] <@roc> 1) cache raasterized objects in layers and just blit them with the GPU if their transform is changing but the contents aren't
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719. # [13:00] <@roc> 2) when we're doing #1, we also snap translation-only transforms to pixel boundaries
720. # [13:01] <@roc> throwing on a very slight rotation will prevent #2 but not #1
721. # [13:01] <till> ah, I see
722. # [13:01] <till> that makes sense
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725. # [13:01] <till> what about the idea of using a css flag much like `image-rendering`?
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727. # [13:02] <till> something like `sub-pixel-rendering: auto | always`?
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731. # [13:04] <@roc> those sorts of flags are always sad
732. # [13:04] <till> I agree
733. # [13:04] <@roc> also, "subpixel-rendering" isn't really the right name for this
734. # [13:05] <@roc> are you sure that for all Shumway content you don't want to cache rasterized objects in layers for performance?
735. # [13:06] <till> not at all
736. # [13:06] <@roc> also, and this is tangential, why are you not using 2D canvas for everything?
737. # [13:06] <till> Our entire rendering story is very much in flux
738. # [13:07] <till> we're currently doing that, but there are several reasons we want to, er, "diversify" that approach
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740. # [13:08] <till> first of all, Flash can composite videos with other content, and copying a video into a canvas frame-by-frame might not be ideal ...
741. # [13:08] <@roc> what are they?
742. # [13:08] <@roc> hmm ok
743. # [13:09] <edmorley> mounir: m1 orange
744. # [13:09] <till> also, for lots of content it will probably be much slower to do our own compositing instead of letting the layers backend to it
745. # [13:09] <till> there's also the lure of omtc :)
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747. # [13:10] <@roc> compositing your own content might not be worse. But OMTC, yes.
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749. # [13:10] <Gijs> jfkthame: ping?
750. # [13:11] <@roc> ok so we come back to the question of how to decide which content to cache the rasterized version of
751. # [13:11] <jfkthame> Gijs: pong
752. # [13:11] <till> yep
753. # [13:11] <Gijs> jfkthame: do you know a little bit about our IDN stuff moving off-whitelist?
754. # [13:11] <till> which is also a question we have to deal with within Shumway itself
755. # [13:11] <@roc> I had an intuition that the content that needs to be re-rasterized is slow-moving. is that entirely wrong?
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758. # [13:11] <jfkthame> Gijs: i don't think i do, sorry… just a sec, i'll look at that bug and see what it was about
759. # [13:11] <till> it's not, no
760. # [13:12] <Gijs> jfkthame: ah, maybe you just pushed someone else's patch that needed pushing, sorry.
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762. # [13:12] <till> the problem is that, if we switch rendering modes based on animation speed, we're very likely to always have a visible change in appearance.
763. # [13:13] <jfkthame> ah, i see, that was related to the unicode display stuff
764. # [13:13] <@roc> are you sure? for fast-moving objects, can you actually tell the difference?
765. # [13:13] <Gijs> jfkthame: yeah.
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770. # [13:14] <jfkthame> so yeah, i'm slightly familiar with the unicode aspects, but don't know anything about whitelists etc
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772. # [13:15] <@roc> another idea I only just had was to monitor our time budget for rendering. If we've got plenty of free time per frame we could go up to a "high quality" mode where we stop caching stuff. That's kind of scary though due to hysteresis
773. # [13:15] <till> mbx had this nice demo where it was fairly visible even for not-that-slow-moving objects
774. # [13:15] <@roc> it would also make testing this stuff even more difficult than it already is
775. # [13:15] <@roc> I would like to see that demo
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777. # [13:16] <@roc> what's interesting to me is that even though animated transforms are very widely used we don't have much traffic on this issue
778. # [13:16] <till> I'll talk to him once he's online and add a few demos to the bug
779. # [13:16] <till> that is interesting, yes
780. # [13:17] <Gijs> jfkthame: ah, OK.
781. # [13:17] <till> For Flash, I know for a fact that they went to great lengths to make these things fast because people very much wanted them to work
782. # [13:17] <till> that might also be a reflection of how differently Flash and the web stack are used
783. # [13:17] <@roc> well, making things fast isn't our problem here
784. # [13:17] <@roc> the problem is making them pretty
785. # [13:18] <till> I mean fast-while-pretty :)
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787. # [13:19] <till> I'm almost entirely certain that we will get more traffic on this over time as people shift to the web for doing more vector-y animation stuff
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789. # [13:19] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/6e84744ffa9a - Ed Morley - Backed out changeset eff8e7fefffd (bug 883164) for breaking the test on Android
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791. # [13:20] <till> we don't really have a good equivalent to the vector renderer used in Flash, right now, but libraries (such as Shumway) should in theory be able to implement that based on Canvas
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793. # [13:21] <@roc> yeah so
794. # [13:21] <till> Flash actually has two completely different font renderers precisely for this: one that always aligns the text on pixel boundaries and is optimized for readability, and one that works well for animations
795. # [13:22] <hsivonen> Yoric: thanks :-(
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797. # [13:22] <@roc> I was talking to some gfx people about supporting filters (e.g. colormatrix) in canvas and offered Shumway as a use-case, and they said, offhand, "those guys should just be writing their own rasterizer using WebGL anyway"
798. # [13:23] <till> that is another thing we're looking into
799. # [13:23] <@roc> what exactly do you mean by "vector-y animation stuff"?
800. # [13:24] <till> gpus aren't that great at the whole 2d vector rendering, afaiui, though
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802. # [13:24] <till> well, all these vector animations drawn and animated in the Flash timeline
803. # [13:25] <till> like http://www.homestarrunner.com/ and similar sites
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805. # [13:27] <mjrosenb> win 5
806. # [13:27] <mjrosenb> gah
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815. # [13:35] <John_> Hi, is it possible for a ChromeWorker to notify an observer using the Observer service?
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821. # [13:40] <@smaug> John_: ObserverService is main thread only thing
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823. # [13:41] <John_> smaug: Ohh, thanks
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833. # [13:51] <@roc> till: any heuristics you can think of can probably be implemented easily in nsDisplayTransform::GetLayerState. I just don't know what those heuristics should be.
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836. # [13:52] <@roc> we can analyze not only the value of the transform, but also the content that's being transformed.
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840. # [13:53] <till> roc: ah, interesting
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846. # [13:55] <@roc> or, we could speed things up by invalidating all or part of the transformed content *and* have it in its own layer. That would avoid repainting the non-moving background.
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848. # [13:55] <@roc> that's a little bit more work/
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851. # [13:56] <till> that is a perfect example of why I think a hybrid approach using the DOM for some and our own canvas-based compositing for other parts of our rendering pipeline makes sense
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853. # [13:57] <till> of course, having layers in Canvas would be interesting to us, too :)
854. # [13:57] <@roc> what is a perfect example of what?
855. # [13:57] <@roc> and what do you mean by having layers in canvas?
856. # [13:58] <till> well, *you* can speed avoid repainting the non-moving background. we can't when using one big canvas to render into
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858. # [13:58] <@roc> you can use multiple canvases
859. # [13:58] <till> true
860. # [13:58] <till> I'm wary of the memory usage for that, though
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862. # [14:00] <till> but yes: our current thinking is that we might end up collating groups of (Flash) display objects into canvases, while using the DOM for other things. Like text.
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865. # [14:01] <@roc> text/
866. # [14:01] <@roc> ?
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869. # [14:01] <till> except for the video issue, using the technique you outlined in http://robert.ocallahan.org/2011/11/drawing-dom-content-to-canvas.html might actually get us a long way towards what we need
870. # [14:02] <till> well, Flash has TextField elements, which we'd like to render as html text, instead of drawing them into a canvas.
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872. # [14:03] <@roc> so they're editable?
873. # [14:03] <till> regarding that blog post, are there fundamental reasons for not adding support for drawing SVG elements that exist in the DOM onto a canvas?
874. # [14:03] <till> yes
875. # [14:03] <till> well, they can be
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878. # [14:04] <@roc> the problem with drawing elements that are in your document is that you can smuggle in evil things, like IFRAMEs pointing to cross-origin resources
879. # [14:05] <till> sure
880. # [14:05] <till> marking svg elements as drawable based on what they contain wouldn't work?
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883. # [14:06] <till> or maybe setting an attribute on the svg that activates the same restrictions that exist for svg images?
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885. # [14:07] <till> oh, forgot to expand on the layers thing
886. # [14:07] <@roc> it gets really fragile
887. # [14:07] <@roc> because you can manipulate the DOM in so many different ways
888. # [14:08] <till> mmh, I see
889. # [14:08] <till> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-canvas-api/2013AprJun/0009.html
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892. # [14:09] <till> the grouping proposal is interesting for us, but we also talked about having a Layer element that's basically similar to what we do for layer-creating DOM elements in Gecko
893. # [14:10] <till> I know, that sounds like it can be solved by just using multiple canvases, but tobeytailor had some nifty ideas around that.
894. # [14:11] <@roc> ?
895. # [14:11] <till> we're working on fleshing those out to get feedback from gfx people
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898. # [14:12] <till> well, for one, in Gecko you have the ability to upload a layer onto the gpu and release it in main memory, right?
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900. # [14:13] <@roc> yes
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922. # [14:14] <till> In many cases, we don't need to get access to a canvas's buffer at all, so if we had an element that allowed us to push drawing commands onto a stack without actually consuming memory for a buffer in main memory, that'd be great.
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991. # [14:16] <@roc> till: how would you use such an element?
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997. # [14:17] <till> maybe that can just be implemented as an optimization under the hood for canvas (i.e., lazy creation of a buffer upon first read access or when the drawing commands would take more memory than the buffer), but having an element where we could say "here's some stuff I want you to draw, and I don't need to read it back, ever" would perhaps enable more optimization potential
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1000. # [14:18] <till> maybe a layer wouldn't even have any explicit dimensions
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1011. # [14:19] <till> roc: it's basically a stack of drawing commands, that can then be applied to a canvas. If the backend determines that to work, the final drawing might just happen on the gpu instead of in main memory
1012. # [14:19] <till> roc: does that make sense at all?
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1016. # [14:20] <@roc> not really :-). Why not just issue the drawing commands directly?
1017. # [14:20] <till> heh :)
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1020. # [14:21] <till> so we have a display list that can contain an arbitrary amount of Graphics elements (which are similar to Canvas, but fully vector-based)
1021. # [14:21] <till> we need to composite those, and want to redraw as few of them as possible, obviously
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1026. # [14:23] <till> without something like (or fulfilling the same role as) what I just described, we have to redraw all overlapping Graphics elements as soon as one of them changes. With layers, we'd just update the layer that actually changed, and the backend could do various different things
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1028. # [14:24] <till> It might just update one texture if the other layers still exist on the gpu, or it might redraw some or all of them.
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1031. # [14:25] <till> Maybe what it boils down to is an element that is very similar to Canvas, but doesn't expose a buffer to read results back from
1032. # [14:26] <@roc> when you say "read results back from" are you talking about getImageData?
1033. # [14:26] <@roc> because you still need to draw the results of rendering one of these things somewhere
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1037. # [14:28] <till> yes, that's what I mean
1038. # [14:28] <till> and yes, sure. But that "somewhere" could just be the gpu, right?
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1045. # [14:30] <@roc> no
1046. # [14:30] <@roc> just joking
1047. # [14:30] <@roc> till: it sounds to me like you just want a canvas with slightly different performance characteristics
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1049. # [14:30] <@roc> so that between frames we keep the contents on the GPU even if we can't render using the GPU directly
1050. # [14:31] <till> well, yes*
1051. # [14:31] <@roc> although, the truth is, we generally should be rendering with the GPU directly on as many platforms as possible
1052. # [14:31] <till> pretty much, yes
1053. # [14:31] <@roc> at least for canvas
1054. # [14:31] <till> I agree
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1059. # [14:32] <till> the other difference is that, ideally, we wouldn't have to specify the dimensions explicitly
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1061. # [14:32] <@roc> that's a bit too ideal
1062. # [14:32] <@roc> :-)
1063. # [14:32] <till> however, if we weren't ever creating a buffer in main memory anyway, changing the dimensions wouldn't matter too much, I guess
1064. # [14:33] <till> heh
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1073. # [14:34] <till> iiuc, IE integrates Flash into its D2D-based rendering pipeline in a way that is fairly similar to what I'm trying to explain
1074. # [14:34] <@roc> really
1075. # [14:34] <@roc> ?
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1077. # [14:35] <@roc> Flash doesn't just produce a series of bitmaps?
1078. # [14:35] <till> as in, they use D2D to draw Graphics elements, or at least to do the compositing
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1083. # [14:36] <till> they have their own customized version of the plugin (well, control, I suppose) that's deeply integrated into their rendering
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1087. # [14:37] * till is trying to find details on that
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1090. # [14:38] <hsivonen> is there a way to tell tbpl "keep loading back in time until you find a push by this user (me)"?
1091. # [14:38] <jdm> nope
1092. # [14:38] <Optimizer> you can see all pushes by you
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1094. # [14:38] <hsivonen> jdm: :-(
1095. # [14:39] <jdm> just keep pushing the green arrow and filtering with email=hsivonen@etc
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1097. # [14:39] <Optimizer> hsivonen: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=<tree>&pusher=<email>
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1099. # [14:39] <jdm> that one
1100. # [14:39] <hsivonen> Optimizer: requires me to click the green arrow a zillion times
1101. # [14:39] <Optimizer> even that ?
1102. # [14:39] <jdm> yep
1103. # [14:39] <Optimizer> I meant
1104. # [14:39] <Optimizer> you have so many pushes!
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1106. # [14:40] <hsivonen> anyway, I found the push I wanted. just took a lot of clicks
1107. # [14:41] <NeilAway> jfkthame: may have been a temporary thing because of the join "flood" ?
1108. # [14:41] <hsivonen> gotta love it when a right fix would reveal too many random oranges and the only practical way forward is a slightly less correct fix that doesn't tickle the oranges
1109. # [14:41] <jfkthame> NeilAway: yeah, maybe - seems fine again now
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1111. # [14:43] <hsivonen> as in spec says "spin the event loop here" and if I do that, there's plenty of orange :-(
1112. # [14:43] <hsivonen> even though we have this fiction that it's OK to spin the event loop between events, etc.
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1115. # [14:45] <till> roc: mmh, all I can find right now is http://blogs.adobe.com/flashplayer/2010/09/flash-player-square.html
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1117. # [14:46] <@bz> hsivonen: we could fix our broken-ass tests... :(
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1119. # [14:47] <till> mmh, but that's not it
1120. # [14:47] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/bc16dc2a866f - Jim Mathies - Bug 879454- Hide selection monocles during drags. r=mbrubeck
1121. # [14:47] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/c5c5cb384162 - Jim Mathies - Bug 869437 - Create individual selection overlays for chrome and content. r=mbrubeck
1122. # [14:47] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/6bb17ac2733d - Jim Mathies - Bug 879887 - Use caretPositionFromPoint when adjusting selection in text inputs. r=mbrubeck
1123. # [14:47] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/6aadcaa65d40 - Jim Mathies - Bug 788000 - Add support for chrome selection. r=mbrubeck
1124. # [14:47] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/186cf0ac8efc - Jim Mathies - Bug 879883 - Split common selection code out into a prototype. r=mbrubeck
1125. # [14:47] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/b519589630b2 - Jim Mathies - Bug 879454 - Minor comment header touchups. r=mbrubeck
1126. # [14:47] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/9c39cd5ddbc5 - Jim Mathies - Bug 788000 - Add basic chrome selection tests. r=mbrubeck
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1128. # [14:48] <hsivonen> bz: in finite time? :-(
1129. # [14:48] <@bz> hsivonen: depends on how broken they are. :(
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1132. # [14:48] <@bz> hsivonen: at least get bugs filed?
1133. # [14:49] <hsivonen> bz: I'll file a bug when I'm done
1134. # [14:49] <bjacob> Did you guys know about this basic difference between our refcounting and WebKit's: our refcounted objects start with a refcount of 0, while WebKit's start with a refcount of 1. That means that when we use webkit-style refcounted objects, like in gfx/skia, new'ing and holding on to an object with a webkit-like refptr means we're leaking it.
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1208. # [14:51] <jdm> bjacob: D:
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1210. # [14:51] <jfkthame> bjacob: so webkit is following apple's obj-c/cocoa/etc pattern, aiui
1211. # [14:51] <bjacob> jfkthame: ah
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1214. # [14:52] <jfkthame> i.e. create (and copy) methods add a reference, so the caller is responsible to release it
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1218. # [14:52] <bjacob> given that difference, i am not so sure that it is a good idea for MFBT's RefCounted to expose a compatibility-with-WebKit api
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1225. # [14:52] <jfkthame> i'd argue we should explicitly make it impossible to mix our refptrs with theirs
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1229. # [14:53] <bjacob> jfkthame: what bugs me is one can't just use RefPtr's to hold on to objects that one created, instead one needs to use a "AutoTUnref" separate pointer class for that
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1289. # [15:07] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/6e264b512357 - Ehsan Akhgari - Bug 883010 - Part 2: Don't bombard the main thread with MSG update messages which are not going to result in any actual work; r=roc
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1297. # [15:09] <Gijs> hsivonen: you know about hg log -k, right?
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1305. # [15:14] <@roc> I think you just want to wrap Webkit's creation methods with already_AddRefed
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1307. # [15:15] <@roc> actually I thought they returned a PassRefPtr or something like that already
1308. # [15:15] <@bz> So is PassRefPtr basically just something that says "somewhere up the stack we're holding a ref to this"?
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1314. # [15:17] <@roc> no I think it's more like already_AddRefed
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1336. # [15:23] <AndreeaMatei> hi jimm, are you around?
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1342. # [15:24] <marcoz> ted: Good morning! Ping?
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1346. # [15:26] <@ted> marcoz: pong
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1348. # [15:27] <marcoz> ted: Hi! Any chance you can review the build changes in the patch for bug 876475 anytime soon?
1349. # [15:27] <@ted> yes, i can do that
1350. # [15:28] <@ted> i'll go do some reviews now
1351. # [15:28] <marcoz> ted: Cool thanks! :)
1352. # [15:28] <@ted> np
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1357. # [15:30] <hsivonen> Gijs: no, I don't know about hg log -k
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1359. # [15:31] <hsivonen> Gijs: that doesn't help me with tbpl does it?
1360. # [15:31] <Gijs> hsivonen: you can do a search through hg log messages. So if you know what bug # you want, you can essentially do: hg log -k 123456 -l1
1361. # [15:31] <Gijs> hsivonen: and then use the revision ID you've gotten to use the &rev= switch with TBPL.
1362. # [15:32] <hsivonen> Gijs: typically the stuff I want on TBPL is an emphemeral revision whose id got changed because I already manipulated MQ
1363. # [15:32] <Gijs> well, if it's in TBPL you've pushed it, so presumably you can pull it.
1364. # [15:32] <Gijs> those revision IDs should match.
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1368. # [15:32] <hsivonen> Gijs: good point. not sure it's a good idea to pull the try repo, though. I expect it to be huge.
1369. # [15:33] <hsivonen> Gijs: revision that no longer exists locally with that ID, because it was an MQ-based rev
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1371. # [15:33] <@ted> heh
1372. # [15:33] <Gijs> hsivonen: OK, that makes sense. But for try pushes, don't you get an email with the revision? :)
1373. # [15:33] <Gijs> (I do!)
1374. # [15:33] <@ted> hsivonen: you can query tbpl/pushlog by user
1375. # [15:34] <hsivonen> ted: but then I need to click the green arrow a zillion times. I'm trying to find out if there's a way that doesn't involve clicking the green arrow a zillion times
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1378. # [15:34] <hsivonen> Gijs: try email was way too chatty, so I have a filter to autodelete try email
1379. # [15:34] <@ted> https://hg.mozilla.org/try/pushloghtml?user=hsivonen@iki.fi
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1381. # [15:34] <@ted> hsivonen: just query pushlog directly
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1383. # [15:35] <@ted> that's all your pushes to try since the last time it was reset
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1385. # [15:35] <hsivonen> ted: ooh. thank you!
1386. # [15:35] <@ted> np
1387. # [15:35] <@ted> i don't know why tbpl doesn't present something similar when you query by user
1388. # [15:35] <jfkthame> hsivonen: try used to send lots of email by default, but nowadays it just sends one message with the revision / tbpl link, so you might want to reconsider your filter
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1390. # [15:36] <Gijs> hsivonen: I have a filter to auto-label, archive, and mark as read - but don't delete. :)
1391. # [15:36] <hsivonen> jfkthame: ok
1392. # [15:36] <Gijs> And yeah, it's just one email per push.
1393. # [15:36] <@ted> also that, yeah
1394. # [15:36] <Gijs> Also, that's sort of funny.
1395. # [15:36] <sfink> I wrote a patch quite a while back that makes tbpl do the right thing (as in, if you are filtering by user, then load the last k pushes by that user), but it required some tbpl restructuring to be clean that I never had the time for (and tbpl2 dissuaded me from pursuing)
1396. # [15:37] <Gijs> I remember being a little weirded out when I only got 1 email per push, a couple of months ago (I hadn't used try in a long time)
1397. # [15:37] <sfink> I still have a local tbpl that I use whenever I really need the functionality (except I don't keep its DB up to date, so I always have to wait for it to load in the last week or three anyway)
1398. # [15:37] <jfkthame> you can still request all email if you really want it, i believe
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1400. # [15:37] <Gijs> jfkthame: I don't really, this is fine. :)
1401. # [15:37] <sfink> bug 792268
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1436. # [15:51] <edmorley> hsivonen: the emails were quietened down over 18 months ago
1437. # [15:51] <hsivonen> edmorley: ok
1438. # [15:51] <edmorley> a shining example of how if things aren't implemented correctly from the outset they'll be ignored forever more... :-)
1439. # [15:52] <edmorley> (another example being the android tests; albeit that's finally turning around perception-wise now)
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1454. # [16:02] <@roc> I hate it when I request Aurora approval for a patch which I confidently assert is "low risk" and then it fails tests
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1463. # [16:08] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/5aea44ac54ce - Masatoshi Kimura - Bug 882624 - Remove "URL Protocol" from FirefoxURL key. r=bbondy
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1483. # [16:24] <dchan> who should I talk to about a possible amo server configuration bug?
1484. # [16:25] <mconnor> dchan: I'd assume webops would be point on that
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1486. # [16:25] <dchan> mconnor: thanks
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1494. # [16:34] <RyanVM> roc :(
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1502. # [16:42] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/95d757b44adc - Dan Gohman - Bug 883571 - Since label() calls spew, call it once and reuse the result instead of calling it multiple times. r=mrosenberg
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1506. # [16:45] <karolyi> can anyone help me to create a valid cert_override.txt record?
1507. # [16:46] <karolyi> it seems that the last parameter at the end of the lines is a really hard to gess one
1508. # [16:46] <karolyi> *guess
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1516. # [16:55] <Yoric> hsivonen: For a crash in dom/workers/XMLHttpRequest.cpp, would you be a good interlocutor?
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1518. # [16:55] <@bz> Yoric: you want bent, I would think
1519. # [16:55] <Yoric> Ok, tanks
1520. # [16:55] <Yoric> !seen bent
1521. # [16:55] <firebot> bent was last seen 2 days, 17 hours, 58 minutes and 22 seconds ago, saying 'i'm fine with not crashing as long as we actually handle the error ;)' in #b2g.
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1523. # [16:55] <karolyi> anyone ?
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1580. # [17:31] <firebot> Check-in:
1581. # [17:31] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/07708c9fc5ef - Ehsan Akhgari - Bug 883010 - Part 1: Optimize MediaStreamGraphImpl::UpdateStreamOrder in order to optimize away how much time we spend on it in every iteration of the MSG; r=roc
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1613. # [17:50] <Yoric> That's weird.
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1617. # [17:50] <Yoric> It seems that in some (chrome worker) contexts, I can XHR to a resource:// uri but in others, I can't XHR to the same uri.
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1619. # [17:50] <ericjung> how can i search comments only on mxr?
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1626. # [17:52] * Yoric should probably breakpoint on XHR.
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1628. # [17:53] <Gijs> ericjung: I don't believe that's an option. :(
1629. # [17:53] <ericjung> Gijs: right well, i was hoping someone might have devised a reg exp
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1635. # [17:55] <karolyi> can anyone help me to create a valid cert_override.txt record? it seems that the last parameter at the end of the lines is a really hard to guess one
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1649. # [18:00] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/459376ae11c7 - Max Li - Bug 876475 - Make braille output less verbose. r=eeejay r=kats r=ted
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1674. # [18:13] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/4319f2110d90 - Brian Hackett - Bug 883656 - Handle lazy functions in b[a] lambda pattern matching, r=luke.
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1677. # [18:15] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/849e6303ac21 - Brian Hackett - Bug 883661 - Handle lazy functions when doing higher order fast invokes and in numeric comparator pattern matching, r=luke.
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1692. # [18:24] <ekr> Is there a set of mach commands that will make it emit warnings consistent with emacs compilation mode?
1693. # [18:24] <ekr> which I think mostly means remove the timestamps
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1696. # [18:26] <froydnj> ekr: no, see bug 847175
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1698. # [18:26] <ekr> froydnj: thanks
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1700. # [18:28] <ekr> that's a pretty big drawback. :)
1701. # [18:28] <ekr> Or rather. :(
1702. # [18:28] <djvj> akeybl: ping
1703. # [18:29] <akeybl> hi djvj
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1709. # [18:33] <froydnj> ekr: yeah, kind of unfortunate =/
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1713. # [18:35] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/ccb80286042a - Jason Orendorff - Bug 883523 - Regression: 'if(1) /a/.test("a")' causes a SyntaxError after landing bug 872735. r=till.
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1716. # [18:37] <karolyi> can anyone help me to create a valid cert_override.txt record? it seems that the last parameter at the end of the lines is a really hard to guess one
1717. # [18:37] <@khuey> karolyi: try in #security maybe?
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1719. # [18:38] <karolyi> thx i'll try
1720. # [18:38] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/5499cb854684 - Timothy Nikkel - Bug 876562. Fix scrollport size calculation that didn't make a lot of sense. r=kats a=akeybl
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1724. # [18:41] <bajaj> heycam|away: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=711043
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1728. # [18:42] <@ted> did anyone file a bug about that xpcshell test missing from the manifest on try builds?
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1733. # [18:47] <@gavin> I didn't
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1741. # [18:49] <@gavin> I'll file it now
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1747. # [18:51] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/ede58026dcb5 - Brian Hackett - Bug 883661 - Fix and document numeric comparator invariants.
1748. # [18:52] <@gavin> ted: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=883918
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1753. # [18:52] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/b7175c5829b5 - Gregory Szorc - Bug 872231 - Bootstrapper ensures Python 2.7.3 and Mercurial 2.5 are installed; r=ted
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1758. # [18:57] <@ted> gavin: thanks, just saw someone else mention it in a bug
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1796. # [19:10] <philor> ah, Monday
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1798. # [19:11] <philor> ehsan: one or more debug bustages, CLOSED TREE
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1800. # [19:11] <@ehsan> I'm backing out
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1807. # [19:15] <RyanVM> sorry, in a meeting atm
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1811. # [19:20] <froydnj> argh, xpcshell.ini bustages
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1814. # [19:22] <RyanVM> bz: inbound bustage?
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1817. # [19:23] <jorendorff> ehsan: bhackett had already pushed a fix for the bustage
1818. # [19:23] <@khuey> BURN ALL THE THINGS
1819. # [19:23] <@ehsan> jorendorff: not for the one that I caused!
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1822. # [19:23] <jorendorff> ehsan: oh, never mind, carry ou
1823. # [19:23] <jorendorff> on
1824. # [19:24] <@bz> RyanVM: looking into it
1825. # [19:24] * jorendorff 's 6-digit-number comparator is on the fritz
1826. # [19:24] <@ehsan> so what's this burning Windows build about?
1827. # [19:24] <gfritzsche> bent: review ping on 853864? :)
1828. # [19:24] <jorendorff> i'm so glad i landed something trivial right in the middle of that
1829. # [19:24] <@bz> ehsan: looking into that
1830. # [19:24] <@ehsan> thank you
1831. # [19:24] <bent> gfritzsche, yeah, mostly don, just got wrapped up in other stuff friday
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1833. # [19:24] <bent> s/don/done/
1834. # [19:24] <@bz> libtool: link: `src/types.lo' is not a valid libtool object
1835. # [19:25] <@bz> wtf?
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1837. # [19:25] <gfritzsche> bent: ah, nice
1838. # [19:25] <@bz> it's dying in ctypes/libffi stuff?
1839. # [19:26] <@bz> Which I should so not have touched....
1840. # [19:26] <@ehsan> janv: I'll try to review bug 785884 today
1841. # [19:27] <@ehsan> janv: hopefully I'll be able to finish it
1842. # [19:27] <@bz> And none of the stuff I pushed in fact touched it
1843. # [19:27] <@bz> so wtf?
1844. # [19:27] <janv> ehsan: oh
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1846. # [19:27] <@ehsan> bz: clobber?
1847. # [19:28] <@bz> ehsan: seems like so, but what happened with _ctypes_?
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1849. # [19:28] <@ehsan> bz: let me clobber and retrigger... I don't know, but I've seen clobbering fixing these types of things
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1853. # [19:28] <janv> ehsan: it's quite long patch :)
1854. # [19:29] <janv> I mean big one
1855. # [19:29] <@ehsan> yeah, but I really try to review things in time :)
1856. # [19:29] <RyanVM> bz: I'm not aware of any changes on the releng side
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1858. # [19:29] <RyanVM> let me ask
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1860. # [19:29] <@ehsan> janv: we'll see if I manage to keep my promise!
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1864. # [19:30] <@bz> RyanVM: I don't think there were either
1865. # [19:30] * @bz is just not happy with the state of our build system. :(
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1867. # [19:31] <@bz> Nor of our other code. ;)
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1870. # [19:31] <@ehsan> bz: retriggered, we'll know more in 5 mins
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1879. # [19:36] <RyanVM> bz: ehsan: it's a bad slave
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1881. # [19:37] <kats-lunch> azakai: ping
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1883. # [19:37] <azakai> kats: pong
1884. # [19:37] <kats> azakai: i think the vidyo interview is set up in your vidyo room
1885. # [19:38] <azakai> kats: yeah, on my way
1886. # [19:38] <kats> we have a vidyo tablet here that's connected, so i guess join whenever you're ready
1887. # [19:38] <kats> thanks
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1899. # [19:43] <gps> Yoric: how does OS.File handle overlapped called to .write()? if a write() comes in while another one hasn't completed, what happens?
1900. # [19:43] <Yoric> gps: OS.File uses a single I/O thread, so the second call to write() only takes place after the completion of the first one.
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1902. # [19:44] <@ehsan> RyanVM: oh
1903. # [19:44] <gps> Yoric: is it safe to assume it will always behave that way?
1904. # [19:45] <Yoric> gps: Yes. If we ever add several I/O threads (which is somewhat doubtful) you will have to explicitly inform OS.File that your operations can be overlapped.
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1906. # [19:45] <gps> Yoric: sounds good to me. thanks!
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1908. # [19:45] <Yoric> np
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1911. # [19:46] <RyanVM> ehsan: looks like it got left in a bad state earlier
1912. # [19:46] <RyanVM> we'll see if it fixes itself with the clobber you did
1913. # [19:46] <@ehsan> RyanVM: what kind of bad state, out of curiosity? bad objdir state?
1914. # [19:46] <RyanVM> otherwise I'll ping releng to take it out of the pool
1915. # [19:47] <philor> ehsan: I did remember to mention that try no longer has a 24+ hour backlog, right?
1916. # [19:47] <@ehsan> philor: pardon?
1917. # [19:47] <@ehsan> RyanVM: I mean, I've seen this happen locally before... and clobbering the objdir solves it
1918. # [19:47] <RyanVM> ehsan: philor notices that it got disconnected during a previous job on the UX branch (which makes me wonder if a clobber will help, but time will tell)
1919. # [19:48] <RyanVM> ehsan: sure, it's the same issue for why we used to not cancel in-process builds
1920. # [19:48] <RyanVM> until we could auto-clobber the slave afterwards
1921. # [19:48] <@ehsan> RyanVM: I see
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1923. # [19:49] <RyanVM> but at least bz didn't find a fun new way to break things :)
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1927. # [19:51] <philor> ehsan: I was just thinking about how much easier it would be to disentangle your bustage of half the test suites and bhackett's bustage of half the test suites if you had both separately pushed to try, instead of piling on each other
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1930. # [19:52] <@ehsan> philor: yes, sorry about that. I didn't know that my patch affects the tests that failed
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1962. # [20:04] <@bz> Man
1963. # [20:04] <@bz> triggering exceptions is hard work
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1967. # [20:05] <dholbert> jfkthame, ping
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1974. # [20:06] <dholbert> jfkthame, thanks for digging into that clear sans issue! one clarification to be sure I'm understanding: your proposal to annotate as fuzzy -- you're *just* proposing that for the one still-failing pre-line test, right?
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1977. # [20:07] <jfkthame> dholbert: yep, it'll just be the one test - everything else passed on my try run
1978. # [20:08] <jfkthame> dholbert: i'm about to file a bug on the glitch in pre-line-1-ref, so that i can include the bug number in the reftest.list, then i'll post the appropriate patches
1979. # [20:08] <dholbert> jfkthame, kick ass
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1982. # [20:08] <froydnj> bleh, that's a lot of failures from parallel reftests :(
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1987. # [20:10] <froydnj> hm, file not found errors, maybe those are easily fixable
1988. # [20:10] <dholbert> froydnj, annotate the tests with fuzzy-filename-matching
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1990. # [20:10] <froydnj> dholbert: what does that do?
1991. # [20:10] <dholbert> froydnj, I'm just kidding :)
1992. # [20:10] <froydnj> dholbert: :p
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1994. # [20:11] <froydnj> is there a 'run-like-i-meant-you-to' option?
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1997. # [20:12] <Optimizer1> I am in a test, so can't use Services.wm.getZOrderXULWindowEnumerator as it gives the mochitest window too..
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1999. # [20:13] <@ted> froydnj: --do-it-dammit
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2001. # [20:13] <@ted> froydnj: so uh, are your parallel reftests both running httpd.js?
2002. # [20:13] <@ted> because i think it runs on a fixed port
2003. # [20:13] <@ted> which would be bad
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2006. # [20:14] <@ted> i bet we need to fix that
2007. # [20:14] <froydnj> reftest.js is smart enough to try a number of ports for httpd
2008. # [20:14] <@ted> okay
2009. # [20:14] <froydnj> but these 404 errors might still indicate some sort of race
2010. # [20:15] <@ted> that is sort of depressing, we should make httpd.js support passing port=0 to pick a free port
2011. # [20:15] <froydnj> I bet that all of these 404s come from a single parallel slice
2012. # [20:15] <froydnj> and that two slices somehow grabbed the same port, but one didn't complain that the port was already in use or something
2013. # [20:16] <@ted> yeah
2014. # [20:16] <froydnj> why does reftest not use httpd from python?
2015. # [20:16] <Ms2ger> bz, hmm, what kind of exceptions?
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2017. # [20:16] <froydnj> historical inertia?
2018. # [20:17] <froydnj> of course, I would think that claiming a network socket for serving stuff would be atomic, but what do I know?
2019. # [20:17] <@ted> froydnj: reftest didn't used to have a python harness
2020. # [20:18] <@ted> i added that a few years ago when i implemented all the "run tests from a test package" stuff
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2023. # [20:18] <Waldo> with bsmedberg's status thingy, any way to insert links that won't get markdown/markup/touch-your-toes syntax parsed?
2024. # [20:18] <@ted> it used to just be firefox -reftest
2025. # [20:18] <@bsmedberg> Waldo: not really, why?
2026. # [20:19] <Waldo> bsmedberg: want to include the URL of an MDN doc I'm editing
2027. # [20:19] <Optimizer1> anyone knows how to see which window is on top within 2 windows ?
2028. # [20:19] <@bsmedberg> Waldo: you should be able to just paste URLs directly
2029. # [20:19] <@bsmedberg> they will be auto-linkified but otherwise unmunged
2030. # [20:20] <froydnj> ted: always nice to learn about how bad things *used* to be :)
2031. # [20:20] <Waldo> bsmedberg: I did that last week, didn't work -- see the Miscellaneous subsection: http://benjamin.smedbergs.us/weekly-updates.fcgi/user/jwalden
2032. # [20:21] <@bsmedberg> Waldo: huh, apparently the _under_ is messing with it :-(
2033. # [20:21] <Waldo> yup
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2035. # [20:21] <@bsmedberg> Waldo: it's using python-markdown, let me check
2036. # [20:21] <@ted> froydnj: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/netwerk/base/src/nsServerSocket.cpp#297
2037. # [20:21] <@ted> nsServerSocket sets SO_REUSEADDR
2038. # [20:21] <@ted> so it seems possible that you could race and get the same port
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2041. # [20:22] <froydnj> bleh
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2043. # [20:22] <@bsmedberg> Waldo: ok http://daringfireball.net/projects/markdown/syntax#backslash but I haven't tested it, let me check
2044. # [20:22] <froydnj> that would do it, then
2045. # [20:23] * @bsmedberg really needs to implement a previewer
2046. # [20:23] <Waldo> futzing up URLs would make for sadtimes and manual escape-recognition, but at least it'd be a hackaround
2047. # [20:24] * froydnj considers which one of the 18 httpd.js files in the tree to examine
2048. # [20:25] <Waldo> fork! it's the Mozilla way
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2050. # [20:25] <@ted> froydnj: only one matters
2051. # [20:25] <@ted> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/netwerk/test/httpserver/httpd.js
2052. # [20:25] <akeybl> RyanVM: are you available to land https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=877287? djvj could use your fresh tree :)
2053. # [20:25] <@ted> that just punts down to nsServerSocket for the socket though
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2056. # [20:26] <froydnj> yeah, wanted to see how hard it'd be to add some sort of interface to nsServerSocket to *not* reuse addresses
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2058. # [20:26] <@ted> froydnj: how about you just see if you can pass 0 to nsServerSocket::Init ?
2059. # [20:27] <@ted> it has a .port to get the actual port in use: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/netwerk/base/public/nsIServerSocket.idl#127
2060. # [20:27] <@ted> if you pass 0 that should go down to the OS network stack and bind a free port
2061. # [20:27] <@ted> then you just need to query what port you used, and you're in business
2062. # [20:28] <@ted> (as a bonus, you don't have to loop to find a free port)
2063. # [20:28] <froydnj> hm, worth a try
2064. # [20:29] <froydnj> possibly have to implement some sort of backwards-compatible thing for httpd.js clients who expect their port to be used
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2067. # [20:29] <@ted> seems to work here
2068. # [20:29] <@ted> froydnj: no, just have reftest pass 0 to httpd.js
2069. # [20:29] <@ted> --
2070. # [20:29] <@ted> [14:29:31.686] s = new ServerSocket(0, true, 5);
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2072. # [20:29] <@ted> [14:29:35.622] s.port
2073. # [20:29] <@ted> [14:29:35.625] 42209
2074. # [20:29] <froydnj> oh, I see
2075. # [20:29] <@ted> yay browser console
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2077. # [20:30] <@ted> you probably need to expose an interface from httpd.js to get the port in use
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2084. # [20:32] <froydnj> but we still have SO_REUSEADDR, so don't we still have a race somewhere?
2085. # [20:32] <froydnj> or does the auto-choose port mechanism ignore such things?
2086. # [20:32] <@ted> i don't *think* so
2087. # [20:32] <@ted> but you'd have to ask the internet
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2089. # [20:32] <reyre> rillian: i have no idea why we might be timing out on android builds, or even how i would debug this
2090. # [20:32] <@ted> i suspect the TCP stack will not hand out a port that's in the wait state
2091. # [20:33] <reyre> rillian: i would suspect the track element isn't loading correctly for some reason so ready state is never set
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2093. # [20:33] <froydnj> that's suspecting a lot across three major TCP stacks :)
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2095. # [20:33] <philor> oh, good, there's some fresh new bustage
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2097. # [20:33] <philor> bz: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=24240409&tree=Mozilla-Inbound
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2099. # [20:33] <froydnj> every monday!
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2101. # [20:33] <@dolske> SO_REUSEADDR is pretty common to use
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2106. # [20:34] <@dolske> (in server listening code)
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2110. # [20:34] <@ted> dolske: sure, if you're using a known port number it's almost essential
2111. # [20:35] <rillian> reyre: the test will certainly time out that way
2112. # [20:35] <rillian> have you tried testing locally on android?
2113. # [20:35] <@ted> we should change all our test infra to pass down port 0 and use whatever's free
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2115. # [20:35] <@ted> hardcoded port numbers in test servers are a PITA
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2117. # [20:35] <froydnj> yes!
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2119. # [20:35] <@bsmedberg> and deal with all the hardcoded port numbers in tests also...
2120. # [20:35] <@bsmedberg> blech
2121. # [20:35] <@dolske> yeah
2122. # [20:35] <@ted> yeah :-/
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2124. # [20:36] <froydnj> killjoy :(
2125. # [20:36] <@ted> most of them are silly
2126. # [20:36] <reyre> rillian: nope. i'm guessing there is an android emulator for that?
2127. # [20:36] <@ted> in mochitest we proxy everything
2128. # [20:36] <bhearsum> dougt: google requires that we "hide" our API key, when it ships in essentially clear text?
2129. # [20:36] <@ted> so http://example.com/foo just works
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2131. # [20:36] <dougt> bhearsum: in the bug please
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2133. # [20:37] <rillian> reyre: there is, although it's a bit painful
2134. # [20:37] <bhearsum> k
2135. # [20:37] <rillian> it's much better to test on a real android device
2136. # [20:37] <Mook_as> dougt: fwiw: thanks for having a public bug/discussion about that stuff!
2137. # [20:37] <rillian> you should ask humph to get you a nexus 7 or something if you don't have a phone to test one
2138. # [20:37] <reyre> rillian: we probably have some that i can make use of here in the office, i'll look into that
2139. # [20:37] <rillian> ok
2140. # [20:37] <reyre> oh that's a good idea heh
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2142. # [20:38] <rillian> fwiw, captions do display for me on android with nightly
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2145. # [20:38] <reyre> rillian: awesome :)
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2149. # [20:38] <reyre> rillian: yeah we have a few devs here doing stuff on android for another project
2150. # [20:38] <rillian> hmm, replay bug. shows the last caption at the start when I hit 'replay'
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2152. # [20:39] <reyre> all the bugs
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2159. # [20:43] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/9f0d4fe5db55 - Kannan Vijayan - Bug 877287 - Disable running JS code when ion compiling. r=bhackett a=akeybl
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2164. # [20:44] <dougt> Mook_as: .planning
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2166. # [20:45] <@bz> philor: looking
2167. # [20:45] <Mook_as> yes, I saw the discussion; I'm thanking you for putting it there :)
2168. # [20:45] <@bz> philor: grrrr
2169. # [20:46] <Optimizer> in a mochitest, how do I see if window.focus() actually worked ?
2170. # [20:46] * @bz hates people claiming stuff is green when it's not. :(
2171. # [20:46] <Optimizer> for any xul window
2172. # [20:46] <Optimizer> (has focus and is no top)
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2174. # [20:46] <@bz> philor: backing out the relevant bit
2175. # [20:47] <Ms2ger> Greenorangeredbluepuprplish
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2178. # [20:47] <Yoric> bent: ping
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2180. # [20:48] <bent> Yoric, hi
2181. # [20:48] <Yoric> hi
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2183. # [20:48] <Yoric> bent: I have a problem with XHR in chrome workers, are you the right person to talk to?
2184. # [20:48] * merike|away is now known as merike
2185. # [20:49] <bent> probably
2186. # [20:49] <Optimizer> whoah whoah, XHR in workers ! \o/
2187. # [20:50] <@bz> Optimizer: um.... been there forever
2188. # [20:50] <Yoric> In some circumstances (I haven't been able to delimit which), I can XHR-load a resource:// uri from a worker. In some cases, the same uri won't work.
2189. # [20:50] <Yoric> (but others might)
2190. # [20:50] <Optimizer> bz: really . oh :|
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2194. # [20:51] <bent> Yoric, doesn't ring any bells...
2195. # [20:51] <@bz> Optimizer: I mean, it just proxies all the work to the main thread, but.... ;)
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2197. # [20:52] <Optimizer> bz: boo to that
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2199. # [20:53] <catlee> hm, going to google takeout crashes nightly on linux
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2201. # [20:54] <@bz> pholor: backed out
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2203. # [20:54] <@bz> Optimizer: necko is single-threaded
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2205. # [20:54] <reyre> jmaher|mtg: so i hear your a pro at debugging on android. if you don't mind helping me out -- what's the best way to do mochitests on android?
2206. # [20:54] <@bz> philor: er, I meant you, not this pholor fellow. ;)
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2210. # [20:55] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/26696aad9b5b - Boris Zbarsky - Back out revision 43927377e41c (bug 870787) and revision 25126626dd43 (bug 879319) for failing tests and contributing to a CLOSED TREE.
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2212. # [20:55] <@gavin> jmaher|mtg: an r+ on https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=763248&action=edit (see latest comments in bug) would let me land a bunch of patches I have ready to go in my queue :)
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2214. # [20:55] <philor> bz: thanks, he's not very good about passing on my messages
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2229. # [20:56] <@smaug> bz: Necko single-threaded? Must be used from one thread, sure
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2239. # [20:57] <@bz> smaug: single-threaded for API consumer purposes, sure
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2242. # [20:58] <@bz> philor: he may just have a sucky IRC client and not notice he's being pinged
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2248. # [20:59] <dholbert> jfkthame, did you intend to reassign that clear sans bug to yourself?
2249. # [20:59] <Optimizer> bz: if necko is single threaded, how does pipelining help :O
2250. # [21:00] <dholbert> jfkthame, seems like you might want to file a helper-bug to do the platform fix (assigned to you), and make the clear sans bug (assigned to blassey) depend on it
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2254. # [21:00] <dholbert> jfkthame, in part because we probably want your platform fix, even if hypothetically we changed our minds about clear sans
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2256. # [21:00] <@bz> Optimizer: see above
2257. # [21:00] <@bz> Optimizer: But also, do you understand what pipelining does?
2258. # [21:01] <Optimizer> umm. not really. lets drop it.
2259. # [21:01] <Optimizer> trying to figure out different things right now
2260. # [21:01] <@bz> Optimizer: Let's just say it's very much _not_ parallel
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2262. # [21:01] <@bz> Optimizer: hence "pipeline"
2263. # [21:01] <Optimizer> :D
2264. # [21:01] <Optimizer> oo, I see.
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2266. # [21:01] <Optimizer> it kinda makes sense
2267. # [21:01] <@bz> Optimizer: If you want real parallelism for that sort of thing, you need spdy
2268. # [21:01] <Optimizer> which we already have, right ?
2269. # [21:01] <@bz> Optimizer: in particular, pipelining must return things in the order you requested them
2270. # [21:01] <@bz> Optimizer: yes
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2272. # [21:02] <Optimizer> so how does necko handle that now ?
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2274. # [21:03] <@bz> multiplexing
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2276. # [21:03] <@bz> the point of spdy is that the _loads_ happen in parallel
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2278. # [21:03] <@bz> so when you get data back you hand it to whoever wants it
2279. # [21:03] <@bz> on the main thread
2280. # [21:03] <@bz> and when they return to necko code, if you have more data you hand it to whoever wants _that_
2281. # [21:03] <Optimizer> so necko runs in one thread as it has I/O, but it can make parallel network calls ?
2282. # [21:03] <@bz> still on the main thread
2283. # [21:03] <@bz> no
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2286. # [21:03] <@bz> the user-facing part of necko runs on one thread
2287. # [21:04] <@bz> but the parts that do I/O have a threadpool
2288. # [21:04] <@bz> all the network-facing stuff
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2290. # [21:04] <Optimizer> ok
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2292. # [21:04] <@bz> (and we're slowly changign the user-facing part; note https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=497003
2293. # [21:04] <@bz> "we" == "not me". ;)
2294. # [21:04] <jcranmer> bz: strictly speaking, sockets can deliver to non-main-thread
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2296. # [21:04] <jcranmer> but nsIChannel can't
2297. # [21:04] <@bz> jcranmer: sockets are not exactly part of the necko user API....
2298. # [21:04] <@bz> jcranmer: right
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2300. # [21:05] <jcranmer> bz: well, for mailnews code, they are
2301. # [21:05] <@bz> jcranmer: <sigh>. ;)
2302. # [21:05] <RyanVM> joe: esr17 bustage on Windows
2303. # [21:05] <@bz> Do we have XPCOM proxies still?
2304. # [21:05] <joe> RyanVM: gahhhh
2305. # [21:05] <jcranmer> bz: nope
2306. # [21:05] <@bz> Like if I want to create an object that implements interface foo and forwards everything on to some other object implementing foo
2307. # [21:05] <@bz> ok
2308. # [21:05] <jcranmer> we killed that off in like 12 or so
2309. # [21:05] <RyanVM> joe: nobody actually *uses* that, do they?
2310. # [21:05] * @bz hand-writes it
2311. # [21:06] <joe> RyanVM: oh gah std::max
2312. # [21:06] <Optimizer> so.. in a mochitest, getZOrderXULWindowEnumerator enumerates on [xpconnect wrapped nsISupports] :(
2313. # [21:06] <jcranmer> bz: we do have some IDl helper macros
2314. # [21:06] <jfkthame> dholbert: oops - it always catches me out that using bzexport to attach a patch will automatically reassign the bug
2315. # [21:06] <Yoric> bent: Can you confirm that I should be able to XHR a resource:// uri from a chrome worker?
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2317. # [21:06] <jmaher> reyre: pong
2318. # [21:06] <bent> Yoric, yep. i think we even have a test that does so...
2319. # [21:06] <@bz> jcranmer: yeah, I know about those.
2320. # [21:06] <dholbert> jfkthame, oh interesting. sneaky bzexport
2321. # [21:07] <Yoric> bent: Question 2: does this depend on having a window?
2322. # [21:07] <bent> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/dom/workers/test/extensions/bootstrap/bootstrap.js#39
2323. # [21:07] <@bz> --no-take-bug
2324. # [21:07] <jfkthame> dholbert: there's an option to suppress it, i believe, but i never remember to consider that at the time
2325. # [21:07] <bent> Yoric, no
2326. # [21:07] <jfkthame> yeah, that
2327. # [21:07] <@bz> dunno whether there's a way to set that in hgrc
2328. # [21:07] <@bz> but I assume there is
2329. # [21:07] * @bz usually wants the behavior, though
2330. # [21:07] <@gavin> jmaher: thanks for the reviews :)
2331. # [21:08] <joe> RyanVM: pushed a fix
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2333. # [21:08] <jhammel> if not...i hear bzexport is OSS ;)
2334. # [21:08] <jmaher> gavin: yeah, I like the cleanup there
2335. # [21:08] <jfkthame> bz: agreed, it's usually the right thing, but it's caught me out a few times when adding a patch to someone else's bug
2336. # [21:10] <dholbert> jfkthame, I suspect that patch merits a separate bug, anyway, though I won't push you on it if you don't feel it's worth it :)
2337. # [21:11] <jfkthame> dholbert: no, i think you're right, i was just too lazy but i'll file it in a while - just fixing dinner atm
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2339. # [21:11] <dholbert> jfkthame, cool
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2342. # [21:11] <reyre> jmaher: i was pointed at https://wiki.mozilla.org/Mobile/Fennec/Android#Mochitests by AaronMT so i think i'll read up on that first before i bug you more :)
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2344. # [21:12] <froydnj> ted: those patches in your queue are untested, but they Should Just Work. pushing to try to confirm
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2350. # [21:12] <guestish> hi everyone. this time i am gonna compile firefox for linux
2351. # [21:13] <dholbert> guestish, nice! You might try #introduction if this is your first time compiling it and you have getting-started questions
2352. # [21:13] <guestish> someone had told me smart optimization flag here before. what flag was that?
2353. # [21:13] <dholbert> guestish, hopefully you've also seen https://developer.mozilla.org/En/Simple_Firefox_build
2354. # [21:14] <guestish> dholbert, i know that guide! i want to use optimize flags :P
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2356. # [21:14] <dholbert> guestish, The ".mozconfig" file is where you put build configuration options, and https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Configuring_Build_Options has some sample ones, including "ac_add_options --enable-optimize"
2357. # [21:14] <@ted> froydnj: okay, cool
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2359. # [21:15] <@ted> froydnj: thanks for pushing on this, btw
2360. # [21:15] <dholbert> guestish, I don't know if there are any "smarter" optimization build flags than that.
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2362. # [21:16] <guestish> dholbert, someone told me something like smart optimize flag that generate for your cpu. or somethgin like that
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2364. # [21:16] <@dolske> it's optimized by default, you don't need extra flags.
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2366. # [21:16] <dholbert> [good, I suspected that but wasn't sure]
2367. # [21:16] <guestish> dolske, should i use "ac_add_options --enable-optimize=-O2 "?
2368. # [21:16] <@dolske> no
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2370. # [21:16] <dholbert> guestish, that wiki page says that's only if you want something special/specific
2371. # [21:17] <guestish> dholbert, yes. i want it to spesific to my computer
2372. # [21:17] <dholbert> guestish, what specifically are you trying to do?
2373. # [21:17] <jmaher> reyre: yeah, if you have a local device it helps, if not- a few try runs can go a long way
2374. # [21:17] <dholbert> guestish, our build system does that for you already
2375. # [21:17] <guestish> man someone told me something like "march=corei5" or something like that
2376. # [21:18] <froydnj> ted: it's just one thing after another :)
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2380. # [21:18] <froydnj> guestish: -march=native is probably what you want, assuming you are on linux
2381. # [21:19] <@dolske> funrollloops, etc etc
2382. # [21:19] <guestish> froydnj, so should i use ""ac_add_options --enable-optimize=-march=native"?
2383. # [21:19] <@dolske> this isn't a productive discussion, it happens every other month.
2384. # [21:19] <froydnj> guestish: and/or -mtune-native
2385. # [21:20] <reyre> jmaher: what we're doing is pretty tricky so i think it would be better for a local device. how many tries is too many. how many tries is too many?
2386. # [21:20] <guestish> froydnj, both of them?
2387. # [21:20] <jmaher> reyre: nothing is too many :)
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2389. # [21:21] <jmaher> reyre: one weekend I did over 2000 try server jobs to track down an issue...that is probably the exception
2390. # [21:21] <reyre> jmaher: alright heh, sounds good :) thanks
2391. # [21:21] <reyre> :O
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2393. # [21:21] <jmaher> I solve the problem though ;)
2394. # [21:21] <froydnj> guestish: I think something like "ac_add_options --enable-optimize='-Os -march=native -mtune=native'" is what you want
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2396. # [21:21] <reyre> jmaher: well that's good then :)
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2398. # [21:22] <froydnj> guestish: but note that your compiler may already add -march=native -mtune=native by default
2399. # [21:22] <guestish> froydnj, so it will be optimized to my spesific cpu?
2400. # [21:22] <froydnj> guestish: so it may not be worth your while to adjust the optimization settings
2401. # [21:22] <froydnj> guestish: yes
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2405. # [21:23] <jmaher> reyre: but if you need additional logging or other tricks to make the tests behave as you need, we might be able to hack that up in a patch for you to run on try server
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2407. # [21:23] <guestish> froydnj, my second question. i couldn't find how to make pgo build on linux
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2409. # [21:23] <reyre> jmaher: oh cool, okay, i don't need that for this particular problem, but i'll keep that in mind for the future
2410. # [21:23] <reyre> i didn't know the try server was so flexible
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2412. # [21:24] <jmaher> reyre: it is pretty flexible if you are creative; there still are limitations though
2413. # [21:24] <guestish> is it hard to make pgo build on linux?
2414. # [21:25] <philor> okay, land all that bustage that you've been sitting on all morning instead of pushing it to try while inbound was closed
2415. # [21:25] <froydnj> grrr, who deleted the useful information from the pgo build instructions on dev.m.o?
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2420. # [21:26] <guestish> froydnj, there is only for windows
2421. # [21:27] <froydnj> glandium!
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2424. # [21:28] <froydnj> guestish: see docs at: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Building_with_Profile-Guided_Optimization$revision/378301
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2428. # [21:29] <guestish> froydnj, thanks!
2429. # [21:30] <guestish> one more question
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2432. # [21:31] <guestish> i can't log in mozilla irc network using ssl on linux because there is no ca certificate i guess
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2436. # [21:31] <guestish> where can i find the certificate and how can i import it into system
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2438. # [21:31] <guestish> now i am on windows
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2441. # [21:32] <dholbert> guestish, presumably the IRC server offers you the cert, every time you try to connect :)
2442. # [21:32] <dholbert> so that's where you can get the cert :)
2443. # [21:32] <Yoric> bent: Do you have any idea why I can Cu.import a resource:// uri (from the main thread) but that I cannot XHR that same uri from a chrome worker?
2444. # [21:32] <Yoric> (XHR just returns an empty string)
2445. # [21:32] <Yoric> s/returns/fetches/
2446. # [21:33] <dholbert> the question is, how to connect it to your Windows cert manager so you can validate it. that's probably IRC-client-specific
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2448. # [21:34] <guestish> dholbert, i am getting "unable to get issuer" or something like that in linux with xchat and hexchat. so it doesn't log in
2449. # [21:34] <guestish> on windows it is ok
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2451. # [21:34] <dholbert> guestish, maybe you need to install the ca-certificates package? I think a lot of tools use that for certs
2452. # [21:35] <guestish> dholbert, what is the name of that package?
2453. # [21:35] <bent> Yoric, not offhand, no. Sounds like somehow you're not getting the right privilege maybe? See if you make it here: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/dom/workers/ScriptLoader.cpp#439
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2455. # [21:35] <dholbert> guestish, ca-certificates
2456. # [21:35] <guestish> dholbert, for linux mint?
2457. # [21:36] <dholbert> guestish, you can take a little initiative and check for it yourself :)
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2459. # [21:36] <dholbert> guestish, but yes, it should be there on linux-mint. It's in Ubuntu, and IIRC linux mint is ubuntu-based
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2461. # [21:36] <dholbert> guestish, (I've been using xchat-gnome on Ubuntu for years, and I've never had cert issues w/ connecting to the mozilla ssl irc server)
2462. # [21:36] <dholbert> (w/ ca-certificates package installed)
2463. # [21:36] <joe> XPCOM's bloat log says I leak a gfxASurface
2464. # [21:36] <joe> but
2465. # [21:37] <joe> XPCOM_MEM_REFCNT_LOG does not output any data when i only log for gfxASurface
2466. # [21:37] <joe> am I hosed?
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2468. # [21:37] <guestish> dholbert, i am switching to linux now.
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2471. # [21:37] <joe> (it's not clear to me how the refcount leak log even knows that gfxASurface is leaked, considering it doesn't seem to do logging of refcount
2472. # [21:37] <joe> )
2473. # [21:38] <joe> oh wait it probably logs its constructor and destructor
2474. # [21:38] <joe> hooray i can solve this
2475. # [21:38] <@dbaron> joe, you can use XPCOM_MEM_ALLOC_LOG to get ctor/dtor stacks
2476. # [21:39] <@dbaron> joe, and can even run them through the refcount balancer if needed (though that might need some minimal munging of the log)
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2478. # [21:39] <joe> dbaron: in this case i think i'll need the addref/release log, so i'll just add NS_LOG_ADDREF to the relevant files
2479. # [21:40] <@dbaron> joe, if it's a refcounted thing, then you should remove the CTOR/DTOR log if you're adding ADDREF/RELEASE logging
2480. # [21:40] <joe> dbaron: oh ok
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2482. # [21:40] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/987bb15b11f3 - Ehsan Akhgari - Bug 883992 - Correctly compare the host string against an empty string in the gtk crash reporter app; r=ted
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2484. # [21:41] <Yoric> bent: It seems that we never make it to that code.
2485. # [21:41] <Yoric> (at least when executing the code from xpcshell)
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2487. # [21:41] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/99761867d59c - Mike Habicher - Bug 882328 - remove off-Main Thread JS callback addrefs, r=jdm
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2489. # [21:42] <reuben> st3fan++
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2493. # [21:43] <bent> Yoric, ok, why not? maybe start at http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/dom/workers/ScriptLoader.cpp#409 and then step through
2494. # [21:43] <Yoric> bent: Actually, I have a dwarf-related error message.
2495. # [21:43] <Yoric> I need to check whether I've built that tree with debug symbols.
2496. # [21:43] <bent> ok
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2498. # [21:43] <Yoric> Well, --enable-debug suggests that I have.
2499. # [21:44] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/d78e02224026 - Ryan VanderMeulen - Backed out 4 changesets (bug 497003) for intermittent OSX crashes.
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2502. # [21:45] <Yoric> « Dwarf Error: Cannot find type of die [in module /Users/david/Documents/Code/mc-osfile/obj-x86_64-apple-darwin11.4.2/toolkit/library/XUL] »
2503. # [21:45] <Yoric> Wonder what that means.
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2505. # [21:46] <@khuey> the linker doesn't expect you to talk
2506. # [21:46] <@khuey> it expects you to die
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2508. # [21:46] <st3fan> reuben: uhoh what did i do?
2509. # [21:46] <xorrbit> maybe it wants you to roll for initiative
2510. # [21:46] <froydnj> Yoric: it means something is going very wrong; the debug information is corrupt and/or incomplete
2511. # [21:47] <reuben> st3fan: filed bug 883824 as a dupe of the 10.8 compat bug so I don't have to chase it :)
2512. # [21:47] <Yoric> xorrbit: or SANity
2513. # [21:47] <st3fan> reuben: hehe :)
2514. # [21:47] <Yoric> froydnj: Weird.
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2516. # [21:47] <Yoric> Should I upgrade clang or something?
2517. # [21:47] <st3fan> reuben: we seem to work pretty well on 10.9
2518. # [21:48] <Yoric> I'm using clang++-3.2 atm.
2519. # [21:48] <froydnj> Yoric: you could try remaking libxul. I assume this is not the first --enable-debug build that you have done with this compiler?
2520. # [21:48] <mjrosenb> bad question is 23 aurora or beta?
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2522. # [21:48] <Yoric> froydnj: I have clobbered a few hours ago and indeed, it's not the first --enable-debug with this compiler.
2523. # [21:48] <reuben> st3fan: nice :) I held back on trying it out because I'm afraid of setting up a b2g again
2524. # [21:48] <reuben> b2g build*
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2526. # [21:49] <froydnj> Yoric: =/
2527. # [21:49] <st3fan> reuben: i have not tried building firefox yet, my work is mostly python
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2529. # [21:49] <Yoric> Let's try upgrading gdb.
2530. # [21:49] <froydnj> Yoric: I doubt it is a problem with the compiler
2531. # [21:50] <froydnj> oh, yes, the default gdb on osx is horribly old
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2533. # [21:50] <froydnj> would not be at all surprised if it didn't understand the dwarf clang generates nowadays
2534. # [21:50] <Yoric> At least, it can interpret stacks.
2535. # [21:50] <reuben> it does
2536. # [21:50] <Yoric> But it might not be able to place breakpoints.
2537. # [21:50] <reuben> I build with Clang trunk and debug with GCC 4.ancient
2538. # [21:51] <reuben> works well (as well as gdb can be)
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2540. # [21:51] <reuben> GCC/GDB
2541. # [21:51] <froydnj> lldb can at least place breakpoints, but its UX is worse than gdb's
2542. # [21:51] <reuben> Yoric: I'd try lldb before updating gdb, doing that on OS Xis a nightmare
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2545. # [21:52] <Yoric> reuben: I just |port install|ed gdb 7.5, let's see if that works.
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2553. # [21:56] <sfink> I haven't heard of anyone successfully using an upgraded gdb on osx yet. It sounds like it mostly works, but crashes and gives bogus information and shaves your mother's pet dog.
2554. # [21:57] <froydnj> fluffy!
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2558. # [21:58] <Yoric> So far, it crashes.
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2561. # [21:58] <sfink> if it starts lying about stack traces, it'll be time to give your mother a call
2562. # [21:59] <dougt> gps: ping?
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2570. # [22:02] <reuben> Yoric: so you have to codesign the binary, and reboot before it (maybe) works
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2572. # [22:02] <reuben> http://sourceware.org/gdb/wiki/BuildingOnDarwin
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2574. # [22:03] <Yoric> Sounds like something I'll want to do tomorrow.
2575. # [22:03] <Yoric> Thanks.
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2586. # [22:07] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/ec7bccd33fc0 - Catalin Suciu - Bug 846340 - Add test for 'Clear Site Settings'. r=jmaher
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2589. # [22:07] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/dccd693173c9 - Julien Wajsberg - Bug 814090 - [classList] Implement the second force argument for toggle. r=bz
2590. # [22:07] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/f172342f18c2 - Jan Horak - Bug 831688 - Enable MOZ_SERVICES_HEATLHREPORT in xulrunner. r=gps
2591. # [22:07] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/7df3c21c72e9 - Martijn Wargers - Bug 880310 - Add some pushPrefEnv tests. r=jmaher
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2593. # [22:07] <Jesse> my clang/asan build is broken in storage/test/test_AsXXX_helpers.cpp. halp! http://pastebin.mozilla.org/2535589
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2595. # [22:08] <gps> dougt: pong
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2597. # [22:09] <froydnj> Jesse: looks like that file needs to be fixed =/
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2604. # [22:11] <dholbert> Jesse / froydnj, yeah, looks like we should be dereferencing the result of all of those AsWhatever calls
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2606. # [22:12] <dholbert> before comparing them to '\0
2607. # [22:12] <dholbert> '
2608. # [22:13] <dholbert> that looks like what was intended, at least
2609. # [22:13] <dholbert> though if that test has been passing, that suggests that those invocations are returning null, in which case deref'ing it would crash
2610. # [22:13] <dholbert> so I don't know :)
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2613. # [22:13] <Yoric> reuben: Actually, it still seems to freeze when loading symbols.
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2615. # [22:13] <Yoric> (while doing enough I/O to drag down my entire system)
2616. # [22:13] <froydnj> bug 787730 might have been a little overzealous in converting to '\0'?
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2620. # [22:15] <Yoric> sigh
2621. # [22:15] * Yoric will see about downloading, building and signing lldb tomorrow.
2622. # [22:16] <cford> working through an OS X build. "error: thread-local storage is unsupported for the current target"
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2624. # [22:16] <froydnj> for whatever reason, I don't think lldb requires you to do anything special
2625. # [22:16] <froydnj> at least, I don't remember doing anything special when I compiled it
2626. # [22:16] <froydnj> Yoric: you might already have /usr/bin/lldb, fwiw
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2629. # [22:17] <Yoric> froydnj: Ah, good point, I have a binary already.
2630. # [22:17] <Yoric> Instructions seem to hint that there are several steps.
2631. # [22:17] <Yoric> I stopped at that point :)
2632. # [22:17] <froydnj> maybe I was just using that binary and not my home-brewed version :)
2633. # [22:17] <Jesse> froydnj: so maybe it should be comparing to NULL?
2634. # [22:17] <Jesse> instead of '\0'
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2636. # [22:18] <froydnj> Jesse: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=787730#c2 suggests that the '\0' changes there were deliberate
2637. # [22:19] <froydnj> I guess the right thing to do would be to use (char *)NULL or somesuch
2638. # [22:19] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/5a43a331c2cc - James King - Bug 738869 - Implement OES_vertex_array_object. r=jgilbert
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2642. # [22:20] <Yoric> froydnj: Do I need to do anything to get it to load symbols?
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2644. # [22:21] <froydnj> Yoric: no, it loads them on demand
2645. # [22:21] <Yoric> In that case, I must be missing something.
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2647. # [22:21] <froydnj> so startup is fast, but you wait forever for the first command or two
2648. # [22:21] <Yoric> It just thrashes my harddrive and kills my battery.
2649. # [22:21] <Yoric> Well, anyway, it's getting late.
2650. # [22:21] <Yoric> I'll try again tomorrow.
2651. # [22:21] <Yoric> Thanks.
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2654. # [22:23] <jld> It's almost as if debugger developers haven't ever had to read in pre-GCC-4.7 enormous .debug_macinfo from an NFS server on another continent, or something.
2655. # [22:24] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/bb0567fbb4cc - Andrew Halberstadt - Bug 882461 - add mozbase packages to sys.path in automation, r=jhammel
2656. # [22:24] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/1fae83d70978 - Jeff Hammel - Bug 877733 - bump mozinfo, mozprocess, mozdevice, mozinstall version and mirror to m-c;r=jmaher
2657. # [22:24] <@smaug> hmm, is the build system broken... so that if I add --enable-b2g-bt, I actually need a clobber build
2658. # [22:24] <@smaug> looks very much like so
2659. # [22:24] <@smaug> recent regression, I think
2660. # [22:25] <@smaug> gps ^
2661. # [22:25] <dholbert> froydnj / Jesse, I'm not so sure the \0 changes were correct though
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2671. # [22:29] <froydnj> dholbert: they should have been NULL-casted-to-correct-type?
2672. # [22:30] <dholbert> froydnj, they should just be null, AFAICT
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2674. # [22:30] <dholbert> I think the original code was correct (with NULL)
2675. # [22:30] <dholbert> froydnj, commenting on the bug now.
2676. # [22:30] <ggp> ctalbert: ping
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2678. # [22:31] <dholbert> froydnj, oh, yes
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2680. # [22:32] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/a535b327054f - Boris Zbarsky - Bug 874758. Make DOMStringMap use [OverrideBuiltins]. r=peterv
2681. # [22:32] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/b5e6522257cb - Boris Zbarsky - Bug 883358 part 2. Use the new information in bindings error reporting. r=smaug
2682. # [22:32] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/757a3f2e5de6 - Boris Zbarsky - Bug 883358 part 1. When creating getter/setter functions for the JSPROP_NATIVE_ACCESSORS case in JS_DefineProperties/JS_DefineProperty, give them the name of the
2683. # [22:32] <firebot> property. r=till
2684. # [22:33] <ctalbert> gps pong, in mtg
2685. # [22:33] <froydnj> Jesse: did you file a bug for that issue? if you did, can you cc me?
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2687. # [22:33] <dholbert> Jesse, see also https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=787730#c6 which I just posted. The bug you file should block that bug
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2689. # [22:34] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/ec253175bb51 - Terrence Cole - Bug 883383 - Fix some more static root analysis failures in SpiderMonkey; r=sfink
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2696. # [22:38] <ggp> ctalbert: how could I go about having a pref set whenever tests are running?
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2699. # [22:41] <dzbarsky> !seen jdm
2700. # [22:41] <firebot> jdm was last seen 7 hours, 50 minutes and 33 seconds ago, saying 'bjacob: D:' in #developers.
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2702. # [22:43] <gps> ctalbert: I pinged you?
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2705. # [22:43] <RyanVM> gps: meh, I pinged you too
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2708. # [22:44] <froydnj> circleping?
2709. # [22:44] <ggp> gps: ctalbert meant to reply to me I believe :)
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2714. # [22:47] <philor> gavin: what have you done to meeeee?!
2715. # [22:47] <cford> still stuck on this in my build. http://pastebin.mozilla.org/2535701
2716. # [22:48] <Jesse> dholbert, froydnj: thanks. filed https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=884022
2717. # [22:48] <RyanVM> philor: I was kind of waiting with baited breath to see what bc did on his push
2718. # [22:48] <sheppy> philor: he's turned you into software running in a sandboxed memory partition on a cell phone.
2719. # [22:48] * AaronMT|mtg is now known as AaronMT|away
2720. # [22:48] <@smaug> yes, changes to .mozconfig aren't picked up before clobbering :(
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2723. # [22:49] <@gavin> philor: :(
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2725. # [22:50] <@gavin> well, the test passed here!
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2727. # [22:51] <@gavin> I think I see the issue
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2729. # [22:51] <ctalbert> ggp srry, it depends on which test harness you want. Essentially all the test harnesses have their own means for creating their test profiles. So, if you tell me the harness, I'll go find the file you need to modify
2730. # [22:52] <ctalbert> ggp, sorry for confusing you with gps
2731. # [22:52] <gps> ctalbert: it's only happened like a dozen times before :)
2732. # [22:52] <ctalbert> :-)
2733. # [22:53] <sheppy> And that's not even gps confusion caused by Apple Maps?
2734. # [22:54] <Archaeopteryx> and what about gcp?
2735. # [22:54] <ggp> ctangira: no problem of course :) I would need it set while running geolocation tests, as far as I know they are all in mochitest-4 and browser-chrome
2736. # [22:54] <ggp> ugh
2737. # [22:54] <ggp> ctalbert: ^
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2739. # [22:54] <ggp> this is getting out of hand
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2743. # [22:55] <@smaug> ah, there is gps.
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2748. # [22:56] <@gavin> philor: backed out, xpcshell should be clear
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2750. # [22:57] <philor> thx
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2752. # [22:57] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/f4f6c5f89800 - Gavin Sharp - Back out 423d565f5637 (bug 493051) for xpcshell bustage
2753. # [22:57] <joe> remote: waiting for lock on repository /repo/hg/mozilla/try held by 'hgssh1.dmz.scl3.mozilla.com:17470'
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2759. # [23:00] <ctalbert> ggp: for mochitest, this is our default set of preferences we create in the file: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/testing/profiles/prefs_general.js
2760. # [23:01] <ctalbert> er...in the profile
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2764. # [23:02] <ctalbert> ggp that would be used for both browser-chrome and "normal" mochitests
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2766. # [23:03] <rillian> bsmedberg: do we have macros for valgrind assertions?
2767. # [23:03] <ggp> ctalbert: great, I'll try that. thank you very much!
2768. # [23:03] <@bsmedberg> rillian: I believe we do, but njn/jseward would know the details
2769. # [23:03] * froydnj hates it when try won't load individual revisions
2770. # [23:03] <@bsmedberg> I don't know if we just use standard valgrind macros with MOZ_VALGRIND ifdefs
2771. # [23:04] <@bsmedberg> or something else
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2776. # [23:05] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/d496fdada911 - Nick Alexander - Bug 883921 - Make testFindInPage close PaintedSurface. r=gbrown
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2784. # [23:11] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/35b943a379dd - Brad Lassey - bug 882196 - Android crash in nsXPCWrappedJS::AddRef, remove nsAppShell::NotifyObservers r=kats
2785. # [23:11] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/f7628d639dd1 - Brad Lassey - bug 882196 - Android crash in nsXPCWrappedJS::AddRef, remove nsAppShell::CallObservers r=snorp
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2791. # [23:12] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/c873354a9242 - Bob Owen - Fix for bug 838692 - Navigating named targets from sandboxed iframes (r=smaug)
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2793. # [23:12] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/65cd5eac8b2e - Bob Owen - Tests for bug 838692 - Navigating named targets from sandboxed iframes. (r=imelven)
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2803. # [23:18] <rillian> we have wrappers for VALGRIND_MAKE_* in mfbt/MemoryChecking.h, but not VALGRIND_CHECK_
2804. # [23:18] <NeilAway> bz: actually I'm sure I saw a checkin letting you you specify a thread that oda gets dispatched on
2805. # [23:18] <@gavin> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=497003 ?
2806. # [23:19] <@gavin> fuck, am I orange again
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2808. # [23:19] <NeilAway> bz: oh wait, you did know about 497003
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2812. # [23:21] <philor> yes, yes you are
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2814. # [23:21] <philor> nobody touches social without coming away orange
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2826. # [23:28] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/b615a4ee3da8 - David Zbarsky - Fix a typo, no bug
2827. # [23:29] <vladan> is it frowned upon to use try to make a build for a platform instead of using local desktop?
2828. # [23:29] <@gavin> no
2829. # [23:29] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/73fa5e863ace - ffxbld - Automated checkin: version bump for firefox 22.0b6 release. DONTBUILD CLOSED TREE a=release
2830. # [23:29] <vladan> thx
2831. # [23:30] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/8c30b1e5a509 - ffxbld - Added FIREFOX_22_0b6_RELEASE FIREFOX_22_0b6_BUILD1 tag(s) for changeset 73fa5e863ace. DONTBUILD CLOSED TREE a=release
2832. # [23:30] * jhopkins|bbiab is now known as jhopkins
2833. # [23:30] <@gavin> it's frowned upon to use try for dumb reasons, but "need a build that's made by a builder and packaged nicely" isn't necessarily one
2834. # [23:30] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/6edab44ac6b6 - ffxbld - Added FENNEC_22_0b6_RELEASE FENNEC_22_0b6_BUILD1 tag(s) for changeset 44d3ce86a724. DONTBUILD CLOSED TREE a=release
2835. # [23:31] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/44d3ce86a724 - ffxbld - Automated checkin: version bump for fennec 22.0b6 release. DONTBUILD CLOSED TREE a=release
2836. # [23:31] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/86e5c5133f3f - Hannes Verschore - Bug 883490: Add annotation to testfile it returns a type error, r=philor
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2838. # [23:33] <@ehsan> froydnj: argh, I just wrote the same patch!
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2840. # [23:34] <@gavin> I would like to claim that test_master_password.html is not me
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2845. # [23:38] <@gavin> gps: anyone who argues that explicit else after return "makes branching clearer" is wrong and stupid
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2847. # [23:38] <@gavin> and they should feel bad
2848. # [23:39] <till> gavin++
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2851. # [23:41] <RyanVM> gavin: can I blame you anyway?
2852. # [23:42] <RyanVM> gavin: I'm just going to say that given your track record today, I feel justified :)
2853. # [23:42] <@smaug> how do I add all the new files a directory to hg? hg add * will give some warnings
2854. # [23:43] <Callek> smaug: hg addremove <dir>
2855. # [23:43] <@gavin> RyanVM: I will bet you a billion dollars that my push did not cause an ubuntu opt-only failure in test_master_password.html
2856. # [23:43] <RyanVM> hah
2857. # [23:43] <RyanVM> smaug: hg add path/to/directory has worked for me
2858. # [23:44] <@smaug> Callek: ah, never heard of addremove before. thanks
2859. # [23:44] <Callek> smaug: yea I always use addremove vs add/remove seperately then if I need to mark a file as moved I can do the --after for remove or copy if need be
2860. # [23:44] <Callek> (iirc the arg is --after or something-like-it)
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2862. # [23:46] <RyanVM> bz: ping
2863. # [23:46] * jhammel|lunch is now known as jhammel
2864. # [23:46] <@bz> RyanVM: ack
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2866. # [23:47] <RyanVM> bz: bindings-related orange on inbound
2867. # [23:47] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/af3011f1cccb - Alex Keybl - Added tag RELEASE_BASE_20130617 for changeset 9f0d4fe5db55. CLOSED TREE a=release DONTBUILD
2868. # [23:47] <@bz> RyanVM: ooking
2869. # [23:47] <@bz> er, looking
2870. # [23:47] <@gavin> looks like terrence has an orange?
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2872. # [23:47] <sfink> first you ack, then you ook
2873. # [23:47] <RyanVM> gavin: I think it's bz'
2874. # [23:48] <@bz> RyanVM: uh...
2875. # [23:48] <@gavin> oh
2876. # [23:48] <@bz> No, that's definitely me, but wtf?
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2878. # [23:48] <terrence> indeed
2879. # [23:48] <RyanVM> ready.and.FIGHT
2880. # [23:49] <RyanVM> hmm, only one of you is within throwing distance, though
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2883. # [23:49] <RyanVM> inbound's closed
2884. # [23:49] <@bz> yeah
2885. # [23:49] * @bz will back out if he doesn't have a fix in 5
2886. # [23:49] <RyanVM> bz: with any luck, the windows runs on yours will give us some clue
2887. # [23:50] <@bz> Oh, I have an idea
2888. # [23:50] <@bz> for why it might be happening
2889. # [23:50] <@bz> I just can't reproduce locally on mac
2890. # [23:50] <@bz> which suggests that I don't have this stuff compiled, though I thought I did
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2893. # [23:51] <@bz> So I'm doing a quick rebuild so I can test the patch and all
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2899. # [23:57] <RyanVM> gavin: i'm trying to understand some of the comments and code from the chunking patches? I guess it's expected that we're not actually seeing any yet?
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