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# Session Start: Wed Jun 19 00:00:00 2013
# Session Ident: #developers
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# [00:03] <jlebar> Dear people who know C++:
# [00:03] <jlebar> Why can I extern |const char* foo|, but not |const char* const foo|?
# [00:03] <jlebar> The latter fails to link.
# [00:04] <@khuey> did you get the declarations and definitions right in both cases?
# [00:04] <@khuey> that's surprising to me
# [00:04] <jlebar> yeah, me too.
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# [00:05] <jlebar> khuey: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/2539345
# [00:05] <jlebar> khuey: but take the second const off, and it works fine.
# [00:05] <edwin> khuey: Got time for literally a 3 line review? padenot would love you forever. He might even -- I'm not making any guarantees here -- but he might even let you stroke his beard.
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# [00:06] <@khuey> jlebar: try extern blah blah in test2.cpp
# [00:06] <@khuey> ?
# [00:07] <@khuey> edwin: so if I don't want to stroke padenot's beard I shouldn't review this thing?
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# [00:07] <jlebar> khuey: same thing
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# [00:08] <@khuey> jlebar: use nm (?) to see what symbol is actually generated in test2.cpp and maybe it'll give you a clue?
# [00:08] <edwin> khuey: If you don't want to stroke padenot's beard then you're a mad man and clearly not of sound mind to be reviewing patches
# [00:08] <@khuey> lol
# [00:08] <@khuey> edwin: what do you want me to review?
# [00:08] <jlebar> edwin: well played
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# [00:08] <@khuey> edwin: 794282?
# [00:09] <@khuey> this is one of those days where I wish I were more familiar with the STL
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# [00:11] <jfkthame> jlebar: try adding "extern const char* const foo;" to test2.cpp *before* the actual definition (not after it)
# [00:11] <reuben> jlebar: you're never defining it…
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# [00:11] <jhammel> khuey: well, it ain't standard
# [00:11] <jlebar> jfkthame++
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# [00:11] <jlebar> jfkthame: Can you explain why that matters?
# [00:11] <jfkthame> nope
# [00:11] <jhammel> 'cept in the narrow c++ way, its hard to call those things templates...
# [00:12] <jlebar> lol
# [00:12] <reuben> huh, neat
# [00:12] <@khuey> jfkthame: nice
# [00:12] <jlebar> That is so incredibly strange.
# [00:12] <jhammel> and it ain't much of a library. 'nuff said ;)
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# [00:12] <edwin> khuey: That's the one :) just the configure.in change; the rest has been looked at
# [00:12] * jfkthame claims no special knowledge, just tried the experiment
# [00:13] <@khuey> edwin: r+
# [00:14] <reuben> jlebar: |const| implies |static|, so you need to explicitly tell it that it's an external declaration in the definition too
# [00:14] <reuben> jlebar: I think prepending |extern | to the definition would also work
# [00:14] <jlebar> reuben: o.O
# [00:14] * RyanVM gets ready to merge cypress over to inbound
# [00:14] <RyanVM> khueybot would never break something
# [00:14] <jcranmer> jlebar: I can explain why it works
# [00:14] <jlebar> reuben: So |extern const char* const foo| is a /definition/?
# [00:14] <@khuey> who is khueybot?
# [00:14] <jcranmer> jlebar: const declarations are implicitly internal linkage
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# [00:15] <jcranmer> jlebar: extern is an external linkage
# [00:15] <RyanVM> khuey: I've been typing failing all week
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# [00:15] <reuben> jlebar: no, but |const char* const foo = "foo";| has internal linkage, it's never seen in test.cpp
# [00:15] <jcranmer> when the extern goes first, the external linkage overrides the presumed internal linkage
# [00:15] <reuben> ^
# [00:15] <jlebar> jcranmer: reuben: I see.
# [00:15] <jcranmer> when the non-extern goes first, the error comes from mismatched linkage
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# [00:16] <jfkthame> note that this wasn't the case in C, it's a C++ innovation
# [00:16] <jlebar> Now I have a great answer to "write a valid C program that doesn't compile as C++"
# [00:16] <jfkthame> so those of us who cut our teeth on good ol' K&R can stumble over it
# [00:17] <jcranmer> int main() { return main(); }
# [00:17] <jcranmer> jlebar: that's a simpler program :-)
# [00:18] <jlebar> thanks, guys.
# [00:19] <reuben> |main = 0;| is another example :P
# [00:19] <jfkthame> fwiw, http://stackoverflow.com/questions/998425/why-does-const-imply-internal-linkage-in-c-when-it-doesnt-in-c
# [00:19] <RyanVM> philor: don't know what to make of the orange on inbound
# [00:20] <philor> ipc bustage? gasp!
# [00:20] <jhammel> jcranmer: compiles in g++ for me; why shoudn't it?
# [00:20] <RyanVM> philor: no comment :P
# [00:20] <jcranmer> there's a clause somewhere that main isn't allowed to call itself
# [00:20] <philor> next thing you know, we'll have a platform where any test might exit with code -20 at any time!
# [00:20] <ialagenchev> Can someone tell me why the compiler wouldn't like me calling do_QueryInterface in HTMLInputElement.h?
# [00:21] <jhammel> jcranmer: ah, so its explicitly outlawed by the standard
# [00:21] <jcranmer> that may be C99 saying that though
# [00:21] <jcranmer> I've forgotten where
# [00:21] <jhammel> when calling main from main is outlawed, only outlaws will segfault for no reason ;)
# [00:21] <@khuey> ialagenchev: are you trying to QI to something that's only forward declared?
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# [00:21] <ialagenchev> khuey: nsIHttpChannelInternal
# [00:21] <sfink> I'm generally getting the impression that jhammel forgot to take his meds today
# [00:22] <@khuey> ialagenchev: yeah ... so you probably have to include that header or move that do_QueryInterface into the .cpp file and include the header there
# [00:22] <jhammel> has anyone noticed that you can never see the light inside the fridge before it turns on no matter how fast you open the door?
# [00:23] <philor> heh, 41 pending and 176 running on cypress
# [00:23] <@khuey> ialagenchev: adding more header includes to headers is not particularly awesome
# [00:23] <ialagenchev> khuey: yeah the cpp works, that's where I had it initially, but I wanted to do a private method
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# [00:23] <sfink> jhammel: I refuse to admit that I spent a fair amount of time trying to do that as a kid
# [00:24] <jhammel> sfink: ha! lol
# [00:24] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/a73bc11da471 - Edwin Flores - Bug 794282 - Enable gstreamer by default in builds, but pref off r=cpearce,khuey
# [00:24] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/9173dcf026ee - Edwin Flores - Bug 882567 - Handle fatal gstreamer errors by aborting playback r=alessandro.d
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# [00:24] <ialagenchev> khuey: is it ok if I had the private body in the cpp? I see that all privates are in the .h
# [00:25] <RyanVM> philor: I was feeling wild and crazy
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# [00:27] <RyanVM> philor: Hey, I'm told that if we come up with a 100% reliable way to hit code -20, we might be able to get it fixed!
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# [00:28] <philor> RyanVM: the fix is a lie
# [00:28] <RyanVM> and soylent green is people?
# [00:28] <philor> though I'm told that if I'm polite and just take any crap that people want to dump on my head at 3am Saturday morning, then... then... then...
# [00:29] <philor> then I'll need to take a shower, I guess
# [00:29] <RyanVM> KWierso and I were discussing today
# [00:29] <RyanVM> we think that instead of red, failures should be brown
# [00:29] <RyanVM> more fitting
# [00:29] <philor> heh
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# [00:37] <RyanVM> ehsan: so suddenly we're hitting bug 681152
# [00:37] <stully> reuben: ping
# [00:37] <reuben> stully: pong
# [00:37] <@ehsan> huh
# [00:37] <stully> reuben: is it okay to land the patch for 807688 on inbound when I need it for the Android contacts API?
# [00:38] <stully> as far as I understand, it's won't be available to me on the birch branch
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# [00:38] <@ehsan> RyanVM: maybe that's a different bug, since so far that has only occured on windows?
# [00:38] <@ehsan> and the new failure is on mac
# [00:38] <reuben> stully: birch gets merged periodically with inbound and central. I don't know if we do cherry-picks, or how that influences the merge. RyanVM: ^?
# [00:39] <RyanVM> stully: birch gets merged to m-c
# [00:39] <RyanVM> same as inbound
# [00:39] <RyanVM> birch is primarily intended for b2g development work
# [00:39] <stully> how often is periodically?
# [00:39] <RyanVM> 1-2 times a day
# [00:39] <RyanVM> i'll be merging it in the near future
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# [00:39] <stully> oh okay, nevermind then.
# [00:39] <RyanVM> *please* don't double-land
# [00:40] <reuben> *astronomical near future
# [00:40] <reuben> :D
# [00:40] <@roc> dougt: was it you who was complaining about Google's home page advertising Chrome via "Cube Slam" yesterday?
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# [00:40] <gwagner> stully: are you already landing the android implementation?
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# [00:40] <@ehsan> roc: http://grab.by/nFuW
# [00:40] <stully> gwagner: no, it's not ready yet. I'm was just confused about inbound vs birch.
# [00:40] <@roc> right
# [00:41] <@roc> the interesting thing is, that game works in Firefox.
# [00:41] <@ehsan> roc: except that it crashes on widnows
# [00:41] <@ehsan> *windows
# [00:41] <@roc> ok
# [00:41] <@roc> WFM on Linux
# [00:41] <@roc> although I didn't test the PeerConnection stuff
# [00:41] <@ehsan> roc: but many "chrome" apps these days work everywhere
# [00:41] <@ehsan> or at least in firefox
# [00:41] <@ehsan> roc: that link goes to https://www.google.com/intl/en/chrome/browser/promo/cubeslam/
# [00:41] <@ehsan> fwiw
# [00:42] <@ehsan> so it's not a question of promoting CubeSlam
# [00:42] <@roc> oh, I know
# [00:42] <@ehsan> it's another way to get people to install chrome
# [00:42] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/2f6babcfa00e - Till Schneidereit - Bug 882468 - Simplify BooleanGetPrimitiveValue. r=jwalden
# [00:42] <@roc> this is not new
# [00:42] <@ehsan> yep
# [00:43] <@roc> nobody seems to know that chrome.angrybirds.com works in Firefox
# [00:43] <@ehsan> yes
# [00:43] <@ehsan> people would probably think there's no way that angry birds works in firefox since it has a chrome logo
# [00:43] <@ehsan> I mean, at least one person actually told me that once!
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# [00:51] <dougt> roc: yeah.
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# [00:51] <dougt> roc: i was tired/confused about google's home page and our start page.
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# [00:51] <dougt> roc: it is kind of sad that if you type "google" into our url bar, you'll end up with a chrome ad
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# [00:53] <philor> but it's a faster way to browse the web!
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# [00:54] <@khuey> dougt: ABP ftw
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# [00:54] <@ehsan> khuey: ABP doesn't block that
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# [00:55] <@khuey> ehsan: typing google into my URL bar doesn't get me a chrome ad ...
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# [00:55] <@khuey> so if ABP isn't blocking it ...
# [00:55] <@ehsan> khuey: try https://www.google.ca/webhp?hl=en&tab=ww&authuser=0
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# [00:55] <@khuey> sure, I get it there
# [00:55] <@ehsan> I see "Put on your game face: Play Cube Slam in Chrome "
# [00:55] <@khuey> yeah
# [00:56] <@khuey> and an offer to view the site in French
# [00:56] * @khuey wonders which one is more useless to him
# [00:56] <@ehsan> yes
# [00:56] <philor> mmm, bsmedberg's cypress backout shows the same failure as pre-backout, that's
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# [00:57] <RyanVM> philor: errr
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# [01:08] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/c952e7bb36f0 - Sam Foster - Bug 858388 - Refactor richgrid arrangeItems, autocomplete uses deferlayout. r=jimm
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# [01:17] <RyanVM> stully: just merged you over to m-c
# [01:17] <stully> thanks!
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# [01:23] <@bsmedberg> philor: I am now totally perplexed :-(
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# [01:24] * @bsmedberg suspects dependency-fu since it passed on try, but who really knows
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# [01:29] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/da601e58ecb0 - Jared Wein - Bug 698174 - Set full-screen-api.approval-required to false before checking fullscreen context menu items. r=cpearce
# [01:30] <philor> edwin: did you intend to break b2g desktop builds on Linux?
# [01:30] <RyanVM> bsmedberg: I have no clue either. I did clobber before I pushed inbound
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# [01:31] <philor> we probably forgot that we asked releng to set up cypress to break that test
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# [01:33] <RyanVM> i'm just wondering what from a releng standpoint could be affecting it that way
# [01:33] <RyanVM> bsmedberg: I guess if you're feeling brave, try pushing to inbound and see what happens
# [01:33] <RyanVM> maybe first thing tomorrow morning when things aren't busy
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# [01:41] <philor> sort of tough to tell from the bug, which went from a patch that only enabled gstreamer for desktop to one which enabled it for desktop-b2g also, without any comment
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# [02:08] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/2dc0a505dce9 - Nicholas Nethercote - Bug 883688 - Fix uninitialized |gotLambda| in ion/IonBuilder.cpp. r=djvj.
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# [02:12] <edwin> philor: fffffuuuuuu-- let me take a look
# [02:12] <edwin> I saw that on try; thought I had fixed it
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# [02:16] <edwin> philor: Is it okay if I just push a quick fix r=bustage?
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# [02:20] <anton> why would firefox crash when executed via ./mach run but doesn't crash when i run the exact same command ./mach run uses?
# [02:21] <anton> * Call to xpconnect wrapped JSObject produced this error: *
# [02:21] <anton> [Exception... "Component returned failure code: 0x80004005 (NS_ERROR_FAILURE) [nsIProperties.get]" nsresult: "0x80004005 (NS_ERROR_FAILURE)" location: "JS frame :: file:///Users/akovalyov/Source/fx-team/obj-x86_64-apple-darwin12.4.0/dist/NightlyDebug.app/Contents/MacOS/components/nsHandlerService.js :: HandlerService.prototype._ds :: line 891" data: no]
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# [02:25] <philor> edwin: sure
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# [02:28] <philor> bsmedberg: or maybe, since it also came over to inbound on the merge from cypress, it was actually your other cset that caused it
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# [02:31] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/aad877111804 - Edwin Flores - Bug 794282 - Fix desktop b2g compile error from changeset a73bc11da471 r=bustage
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# [02:48] <JosiahOne> Is it possible to log in a test file so it shows up in the build info on tbpl?
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# [02:49] <mattwoodrow> gwagner: Does the crash reproduce with a clean profile? I haven't been able to reproduce it
# [02:49] <JosiahOne> s/build info/build log
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# [02:49] <mattwoodrow> (bug 884344)
# [02:49] <mattwoodrow> 884334
# [02:49] <gwagner> mattwoodrow: yep also with a clean profile
# [02:50] <mattwoodrow> debug build?
# [02:50] <gwagner> no regular nightly
# [02:50] <gwagner> mattwoodrow: https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/bp-f2784c0c-b238-421b-a23d-9c1df2130619
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# [03:04] <froydnj> jmaher|afk: will mochitest manifests support annotations about the tests similar to reftests?
# [03:04] <jmaher|afk> froydnj: yes
# [03:04] <jmaher|afk> not exactly the same, more like xpcshell
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# [03:05] <jmaher|afk> yeah, it will be a little road to travel down, but the wheels are starting to roll
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# [03:06] <froydnj> parallel mochitests inc
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# [03:07] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/f3ca96dd397e - Frank Yan - Bug 873251 - [Metro] Update buttons and backgrounds of Firefox app bar. r=jwilde
# [03:07] <jmaher|afk> froydnj: oh? rly?
# [03:08] <jmaher|afk> froydnj: I guess if we annotated the tests which required focus/input then we could run everything else in parallel :)
# [03:08] <froydnj> jmaher|afk: basically. I don't know if it would work nearly so well for mochitests
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# [03:28] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/1885bc168943 - Jonathan Wilde - Bug 811392 - Work - Choose better background colors for location text in the Firefox app bar. r=fryn
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# [03:32] <@bz_cooking> RyanVM: ping
# [03:32] <@bz_cooking> philor: ping
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# [03:34] <philor> bz_cooking: yo
# [03:35] <@bsmedberg> philor: crap really? That's unexpected. I guess I'll back that one out too? :-(
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# [03:36] <philor> bsmedberg: thanks! it's getting a little orange on inbound, and I'm going to have to stay late at work tonight
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# [03:38] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/8d00587e9c29 - Benjamin Smedberg - Back out 2d970c9c1fad - Bug 882858 Because of mochitest-browser failures in browser_CTP_drag_drop.js and perhaps browser_pluginnotification.js
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# [03:42] <aja> Congrats on shipping, yet again.
# [03:42] <aja> ....sorry, no cupcakes here :)
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# [03:44] <JosiahOne> What did we ship that I don't know about?
# [03:45] <JonathanS> aja, Pinkie Pie is not happy of that
# [03:45] <aja> well....i'm already running 22 build1
# [03:45] <mattwoodrow> gwagner: I think I know what the issue is, would you be willing to test a patch
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# [03:45] <JosiahOne> aja: 22 isn't released until the 25th.
# [03:46] <gwagner> mattwoodrow: sure. I have to test if I can reproduce it with my own build
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# [03:47] <mattwoodrow> gwagner: good point. http://www.pastebin.mozilla.org/2539995
# [03:47] <mattwoodrow> looks like a valid issue anyway, i'll put it in the bug too
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# [03:48] <gwagner> mattwoodrow: will take a few min. compiling right now
# [03:48] <njn> I just got this on Linux when building FF: "gstreamer-plugins-base-0.10... Package gstreamer-0.10 was not found in the pkg-config search path."
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# [03:48] <njn> anyone seen that before?
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# [03:50] <@bz_cooking> ehsan: ping
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# [03:50] <@ehsan> bz_cooking: hi
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# [03:51] <@bz> ehsan: so ondevicelight
# [03:51] <@bz> Do you need a non-constant boolean for whether it's enabled?
# [03:51] <heycam> njn, edwin may know
# [03:52] <njn> heycam: |apt-get install libgstreamer0.10-dev libgstreamer-plugins-base0.10-dev| seems to have fixed it
# [03:52] <@ehsan> bz: I don't think so
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# [03:53] <heycam> :)
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# [03:54] <@bz> ehsan: ok, then the thing I described in the bug should not be too bad....
# [03:55] <@bz> ehsan: with conditional classinfo
# [03:55] <@ehsan> I guess
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# [03:55] <@ehsan> bz: but I figured it may be unnecessary if window moves over soonish
# [03:56] <@bz> Sure
# [03:56] <@bz> It's Hard. :(
# [03:56] <@ehsan> yeah I know...
# [03:56] <@bz> There's way too many pieces.
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# [03:56] * @bz would love it if we made progress on _something_ in there
# [03:56] <@bz> Actuall...
# [03:56] <@ehsan> so I guess that's a no?
# [03:56] <@bz> er, actually
# [03:57] <@bz> Oh, I commented in the bug
# [03:57] <@bz> It's a no... but
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# [03:57] <@bz> You said 25?
# [03:57] <@ehsan> yeah
# [03:57] <@bz> We could do webidl quickstubs for window in 25 maybe
# [03:57] <@bz> and then not put this prop in xpidl at all
# [03:57] <@bz> the drawback is it would not be visible via Xrays
# [03:57] <@bz> which is kinda not great
# [03:58] <@ehsan> what does that mean?
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# [03:58] <@bz> It means that chrome code would not see a .ondevicewhatever on content windows
# [03:59] <@bz> But chrome code would see it on chrome windows and content code would see it on content windows
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# [03:59] <froydnj> man, wish everything built as fast as android =/
# [03:59] <@ehsan> huh
# [03:59] <@ehsan> that's not super
# [03:59] <@bz> "which is kinda not great", I said.
# [03:59] <@ehsan> yeah
# [03:59] <@ehsan> ok, I'll just do what you suggested
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# [04:00] <@bz> ok, great
# [04:00] <@ehsan> thanks
# [04:00] <@bz> No problem.
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# [04:13] <gwagner> mattwoodrow: it works :)
# [04:13] <mattwoodrow> gwagner: awesome, i'll land it asap
# [04:13] <mattwoodrow> thanks for testing it
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# [04:13] <gwagner> sure. I guess I have to download a new nightly since it won't update any more
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# [04:20] <janv> ehsan: thanks for the comments
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# [04:38] <@ehsan> janv: no problem!
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# [04:42] <jcranmer> and now begins the slow process of s/NS_DECL_ISUPPORTS/NS_DECL_THREADSAFE_ISUPPORTS/
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# [04:55] <jcranmer> this is very much a C++11-y patch
# [04:55] <jcranmer> I use static_assert, decltype, type_traits, and atomics
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# [04:55] <njn> what could possibly go wrong :P
# [04:55] <jcranmer> I guess all I need to add now are lambdas, auto, and >>
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# [04:56] <jld> Needs more rvalue references?
# [04:56] <jcranmer> well to be fair, all I'm really adding are the atomics
# [04:56] <jcranmer> everything else is to make sure I'm actually getting everything properly
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# [05:07] * jcranmer wonders if nsThread is supposed to be threadsafe :-/
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# [05:08] <jcranmer> I can tell you that who is threadsafe and who isn't in xpcom/ appears to be decided by a coin flip
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# [05:08] <jld> But is the coin flip threadsafe?
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# [05:11] <jcranmer> yay, I can compile xpcom!
# [05:11] * Mook is pretty sure nsThread is threadsafe, otherwise nsIEventTarget::dispatch() is pretty useless
# [05:11] <@bz> jcranmer: now you have two problems?
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# [05:12] <jcranmer> bz: I made my code error if I say NS_IMPL_THREADSAFE_* but don't say NS_DECL_THREADSAFE_ISUPPORTS
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# [05:14] <@khuey> why do concrete and gravel keep netsplitting all the time?
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# [05:14] <@khuey> that didn't use to happen
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# [05:15] <Callek> khuey: today it was "move concrete from ams1 to AWS euw1"
# [05:15] <Callek> since ams1 is shutting down
# [05:16] <Callek> monday was the same but had to be rolled back due to software confusion between gravel and concrete
# [05:16] <Callek> sand is the around just locked away in its room, until it can prove it can behave with its new friend "IPv6"
# [05:16] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/822b350df442 - Ehsan Akhgari - Backed out changeset 9173dcf026ee (bug 882567) because of mochitest-1 timeouts on Linux
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# [05:16] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/2e1acd3b9ce8 - Ehsan Akhgari - Backed out 2 changesets (bug 794282) because of mochitest-1 timeouts on Linux
# [05:16] <Callek> only they've been friends a while now, taking a while for them to get along
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# [05:18] <philor> in what may be my best bitter-sheriff move ever, on the way home from work I stopped at the store to buy Advil
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# [05:19] <@bz> philor: Just don't drink at the same time?
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# [05:21] <@bz> Of booze, or advil?
# [05:21] <philor> but my choices for b2g mochitest-3 dom/contacts/ bustage are layout, FHR, browser console, or browser prefs, I *have* to drink
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# [05:53] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/1d4c00e49f93 - Ehsan Akhgari - Backed out changeset 57624f26be8f (bug 702080) on the suspicion of causing a b2g mochitest-3 failure, since it touches code near remote browser stuff
# [05:54] <jcranmer> at this rate, my m-c queue is shaping up to have *every patch* require rebuilding world
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# [05:55] <philor> where do Metro people live?
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# [05:55] <jcranmer> touch-configure, several in a row that touch nsISupportsImpl.h, next one touches xpidl...
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# [05:56] <njn> is there an easy way to cancel all unfinished jobs in a try server run?
# [05:56] <@bz_sleep> yes
# [05:56] <@bz_sleep> the red X in tbpl
# [05:56] * jcranmer goes ahead and adds a patch that touches jsapi.h
# [05:56] <@bz_sleep> njn: ^
# [05:56] <njn> bz_sleep: that does them one at a time, no?
# [05:57] <philor> njn: left of the list of pushes, when you hover
# [05:57] <@bz_sleep> njn: if you hover under the pusher's name, to the left of the list of changeset ids
# [05:57] <@bz_sleep> njn: there should be a red X that appears then
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# [05:57] <njn> ah, gotcha
# [05:57] <njn> thanks!
# [05:57] <@bz_sleep> (yes, the sudden appearing UI is sudden)
# [05:57] <@bz_sleep> No problem.
# [05:57] <@bz_sleep> I guess it's actually a white X on red background...
# [05:58] <philor> we like our hovers, indeed we do
# [05:58] <@bz_sleep> " Zarro Boogs found. "
# [05:58] * @bz_sleep is happy
# [05:58] <@bz_sleep> Also, should sleep for real. ;)
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# [06:34] <@roc> how hard is it these days to add something to NSPR?
# [06:34] <jcranmer> it'd be easier to add it to mfbt, I suppose
# [06:34] <@roc> I want to add an I/O operation to PRFileDesc
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# [06:38] <basanta> Is it possible to resume build from where it failed after making changes to .mozconfig ?
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# [06:46] <philor> basanta: no - you have to run configure to have your mozconfig changes take effect, and then depending on what you changed, things may still be broken or wind up even more broken if you try to keep going, it's usually faster to just remove your objdir than to wait for it to die again or build something that winds up broken and half one thing and half another
# [06:47] <basanta> philor, okay, my build environment is very very slow so ..
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# [07:10] <dholbert> ehsan, I'm pretty sure that b2g m-3 failure is the console.jsm patch, not the IsResourceDoc patch
# [07:11] <dholbert> ehsan, the failure comes right after "WARNING - E/GeckoConsole( 776): [JavaScript Error: "console is undefined" {file: "resource://gre/modules/ContactDB.jsm" line: 894"
# [07:11] <dholbert> and in a passing log, there aren't any occurrences of the string "console is undefined"
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# [07:12] <dholbert> (and ContactDB.jsm does import Console.jsm, http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/dom/contacts/fallback/ContactDB.jsm#19
# [07:12] <dholbert> )
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# [07:19] <gwagner> dholbert: oh we shouldn't import console here
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# [07:19] <dholbert> gwagner, we do, though
# [07:20] <gwagner> why?
# [07:20] <dholbert> I don't know, I didn't write the test or the library it's using :)
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# [07:21] <gwagner> yeah I wrote it. at least most of it and we shouldn't include it :)
# [07:21] <dholbert> ah :)
# [07:21] <gwagner> where does it cause problems?
# [07:21] <dholbert> it looks like it's there for a "console.warn()" statement
# [07:21] <gwagner> yeah
# [07:22] <dholbert> and it apparently causes problems when we invoke that code, in current inbound
# [07:22] <gwagner> that's not how we use it for b2g
# [07:22] <dholbert> (on b2g)
# [07:22] <dholbert> ok
# [07:22] <gwagner> it works for b2g desktop builds
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# [07:24] <dholbert> gwagner, for now, I'm going to back out the bug that appears to have regressed it (bug 879228); if you know what needs to be done to prevent it from breaking, could you either file a bug or post on that existing bug?
# [07:25] <gwagner> dholbert: I will just remove it from contactsDB but I am not sure why it broke now
# [07:25] <dholbert> gwagner, (it sounds like you might have a bustage fix in mind, but I'd lean towards a backout, because we're already several layers of backouts deep, and I'd like to get to a known-good state)
# [07:26] <gwagner> yeah back out. I am not fixing it tonight
# [07:26] <dholbert> ok, cool. thanks :)
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# [07:30] <steve> guys. so I put together a gtkEmbed embedding example which I can bulld using codeblocks, but which bombs out deep in initializing code. trying to make it using mozilla build system but it bombs out with "# error "STL code can only be used with infallible ::operator new()" error. I need a little help with this or I'll have to drop it & move over to chromium cause mozilla weirdnesses are...
# [07:30] <steve> ...taking up too much of my time.
# [07:33] <steve> will file what I have in bugzilla as not having a functioning gtk embed sample app is a bug imo.
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# [07:36] <dholbert> steve, hg blame says that warning was added in this cset: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/cec7b12eb5e3
# [07:36] <dholbert> which mentions "Allow reviewed+approved STL headers to be included"
# [07:36] <dholbert> which STL header(s) are you trying to use?
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# [07:38] <steve> I have no idea without going any deeper into this. reached my pain threshold. reckon there's less pain in moving to chromium. realise no-one here wants to hear that & I'm tired & frustrated so maybe that feeling will pass but right now ... not a happy bunny.
# [07:39] <steve> this is why you have a maintained standard embedding sample application on all supported platforms. so embedding developers don't have to dive into moz unstable build hell
# [07:39] <dholbert> steve, it looks like http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/config/stl-headers is the list of "approved" STL headers, and your code must be using something that's not on that list. Quick-and-dirty way to get past the build failure would probably be to add your guessed-at STL headers to that list
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# [07:41] <dholbert> steve, good luck! Sorry that this is causing you trouble. I wish I knew more about that code & could help
# [07:41] <steve> if it's just a paranoid #error somewhere, I'd be tempted to turn that off instead
# [07:41] <dholbert> it's an #error, but it's not paranoid I don't think. See the cset I linked above
# [07:41] <dholbert> but if you want to try removing that build-time check as a hack, that'd work too
# [07:42] <dholbert> (I think)
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# [07:42] <dholbert> looks like that's here: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/config/gcc-stl-wrapper.template.h#41
# [07:42] <philor> dholbert: did you back out but bounce off the closed-tree hook?
# [07:43] <dholbert> philor, nope, haven't gone through with it yet
# [07:43] <dholbert> philor, I'll be sure to add CLOSED TREE though, thanks!
# [07:43] <steve> cheers. will kill that.
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# [07:46] <firebot> Check-in:
# [07:46] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/62b7d9ca9586 - Daniel Holbert - Backed out changeset e086e888bd8d (bug 879228), on the suspicion of causing a b2g mochitest-3 failure, since the failure mentions 'console is undefined' and this patch
# [07:46] <firebot> touched Console.jsm.
# [07:47] <dholbert> philor, wha... what jedi magic did you use to find out that there'd been a test-failure before the run had completed?
# [07:47] <dholbert> (on the canceled-via-self-serve jobs)
# [07:48] <philor> dholbert: it just cancels wherever it is, and it was past the failure by then - I cancelled not because I knew it had failed but because I found your argument persuasive so I knew that wasn't the one where I wanted multiple runs of assurance
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# [07:48] <dholbert> philor, ah, gotcha
# [07:48] <philor> reopened, our long national nightmare is over
# [07:49] <KWierso|Home> thought it was a national pastime?
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# [07:50] <philor> no, that's breaking it, not the after-effects
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# [07:51] <philor> and having breaking the tree be our pastime and a broken tree be our nightmare seems like an absolutely perfect fit for us
# [07:52] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/8866d9627149 - Robert O'Callahan - Bug 879717. Delay entering HAVE_CURRENT_DATA state until a video frame has been stored in the image container. r=cpearce
# [07:52] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/775a172255b1 - Robert O'Callahan - Bug 880854. Part 2: Support reflows/frame reconstruction in print/print-preview documents by promoting them to frame reconstruction of the whole document. r=mats
# [07:52] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/5c044f3a5587 - Robert O'Callahan - Bug 880854. Part 1: Make nsIFrame::DumpFrameTree virtual and take no parameter, to be easier to call from buggy debuggers like gdb. r=mats
# [07:52] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/04d60f86b935 - Robert O'Callahan - Bug 883731. Part 3: Make all calls to ChangeReadyState go through UpdateReadyStateForDtaData. r=cpearce
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# [07:53] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/acc1c0494f49 - Robert O'Callahan - Bug 883731. Part 1: Remove nsIDOMHTMLMediaElement:: and MediaDecoderOwner:: prefixes. r=cpearce
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# [08:06] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/b6b8be9f8e0d - Chris Peterson - Bug 883729 - Fix -Wnull-conversion warnings in xpcom. r=bsmedberg
# [08:06] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/6c5e99d67cd0 - Chris Peterson - Bug 883501 - Fix -Wreorder warning in xpcom/base/nsConsoleMessage.cpp. r=msucan
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# [08:10] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/b660582ee451 - Daniel Holbert - Bug 884576: Make some nsBlockFrame helper-methods (ReflowPushedFloats, PrepareResizeReflow, & SplitLine) infallible. r=bz
# [08:12] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/4558994f91a0 - Nicholas Nethercote - Bug 634839 (part 2a) - Remove unnecessary headers (as found by include-what-you-use) from jsapi.h. r=jorendorff.
# [08:12] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/7c148efceaf9 - Nicholas Nethercote - Bug 634839 (part 2b) - Remove more unnecessary headers (as found by include-what-you-use) from SpiderMonkey. r=jorendorff.
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# [08:14] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/0c7d548ae188 - Makoto Kato - Bug 884634 - GTK3 port should use Linux theme. r=karlt
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# [08:39] <Ms2ger> Bonjour
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# [08:57] <steve> bonjour. does anyone know how to add system libraries to mozilla makefiles ? docs say use EXTRA_DSO_LIBS but doesn't seem to be working
# [08:57] <steve> (linux)
# [08:58] <steve> https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/EXTRA_DSO_LIBS
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# [09:08] <steve> nvm got it
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# [09:19] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/734147446def - Asaf Romano - Relanding Bug 834539 - Replace getPageTitle with an async API. r=mak. sr=gavin.
# [09:19] <steve> ok - so new GTK embed now builds through moz build system. doesnt work, but it builds ...
# [09:23] <dholbert> steve, nice!
# [09:24] <dholbert> steve, what is this for, out of curiosity? are you working on gtk apps and you want to be able to embed gecko in them?
# [09:24] <steve> developing a 3D web browser. want to use gecko to render pages in my 3D renderer from OpenGL
# [09:25] <steve> but it's generic. others can use it for whatever.
# [09:25] <dholbert> steve, (note also that it's after midnight California-time, and a good fraction of Mozilla developers are in California plus or minus a few timezones, which is why it's pretty quiet at the moment)
# [09:25] <dholbert> steve, sounds snazzy
# [09:25] <steve> sure - not a problem. been at this straight for about 5-6 days now ... it's all a bit of a blur
# [09:25] <dholbert> heh
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# [09:26] <steve> yeah - it's cool. works on windows. check it out if you're interested http://advance-software.com/products
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# [09:43] <Six> hi daniel
# [09:43] <Six> dholbert :)
# [09:43] <dholbert> hi!
# [09:43] <Six> Thanks for the verification on the backout ;)
# [09:44] <Six> i almost had a heart attack when i saw it was backed out xD
# [09:44] <dholbert> sure!
# [09:44] <dholbert> heh
# [09:45] <dholbert> yeah, test failures can be mysterious sometimes
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# [09:45] <dholbert> and it can be difficult to correctly attribute blame
# [09:45] <Six> when i opened the bugmail i was guessing a change to mozilla-central, instead i get a backed out...
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# [09:46] <Six> yeah i don't blame anyone, just i wasn't expecting that in this mail :)
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# [09:47] <Six> my bug list is almost empty so feel free to tell me if you have something that you think i could handle ;)
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# [09:52] <KWierso|Home> hrm, this flash drive doesn't appreciate me unbundling beta, aurora, central and inbound simultaneously...
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# [09:58] <dholbert> Six, ok! thanks
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# [09:59] <dholbert> Six, nothing comes to mind offhand, but http://www.joshmatthews.net/bugsahoy/ may help you find something to chip away at
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# [09:59] <dholbert> Six, I'm off to bed - cheers!
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# [10:00] <steve> give me ten minutes to complete a build & if the new GTK Embed sample app is still playing up, anyone who's interested could take a look at it.
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# [10:01] <steve> not wanting to interfere though - if there's higher priority stuff, please ignore
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# [10:29] <Tomcat> roc: thanks for the comment in bug 884704, will look if i see this also on other platforms
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# [10:30] <KWierso|Home> well, that's my cue...
# [10:30] <edmorley> hehe :-)
# [10:30] <Tomcat> :)
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# [10:52] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/abe93cefa9cf - Ed Morley - Backed out changeset 04d60f86b935 (bug 883731)
# [10:52] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/59679baba21b - Ed Morley - Backed out changeset f3ca96dd397e (bug 873251) for causing mochitest-metro-chrome failures
# [10:52] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/5199b67ba029 - Ed Morley - Backed out changeset 78424c3ea6cb (bug 883731)
# [10:52] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/b22438ffe268 - Ed Morley - Backed out changeset acc1c0494f49 (bug 883731)
# [10:53] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/bef10ede6c1e - Ed Morley - Backed out changeset 8866d9627149 (bug 879717) for assertions during test_playback_rate.html on Windows on a CLOSED TREE
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# [10:58] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/bef2efa89087 - Ed Morley - Backed out changeset 1885bc168943 (bug 811392) since the patch it depends on has now been backed out on a CLOSED TREE
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# [10:59] <Ms2ger> edmorley, and a good morning to you too
# [10:59] <edmorley> Ms2ger: :-)
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# [11:05] <nigelb> Morning Ms2ger
# [11:05] <nigelb> hullo edmorley
# [11:05] <edmorley> hi :-)
# [11:05] <edmorley> how are you>
# [11:05] <nigelb> doing the "how did this thing ever work?" dance on some code.
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# [11:06] <Ms2ger> Maybe it didn't ;)
# [11:06] <nigelb> It still works except in one place. I can't figure out why is works at all.
# [11:07] <steve> step through it
# [11:07] <Ms2ger> Nice xkcd
# [11:12] <@smaug> hmm, no merge lately
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# [11:13] <edmorley> smaug: ?
# [11:14] <@smaug> edmorley: m-i to m-c
# [11:14] <edmorley> there was one 10 hours ago
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# [11:14] <edmorley> and inbound is currently broken
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# [11:14] <edmorley> we only normally merge 1-2 times a day
# [11:14] <@smaug> ah, my patch just missed the merge
# [11:14] <edmorley> ah :-)
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# [11:32] <firebot> I've never seen a 'stamm', sorry.
# [11:32] <Yoric> !seen geekboy
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# [11:33] <Yoric> geekboy|afk: I'm taking over bug 837326, will you be available to reply to some questions if I have any?
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# [11:42] <mikedeboer> does anyone else have the same problem I'm having: fresh build of m-c on OSX 10.8.3 crashes on startup??
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# [11:43] <glazou> bonjour
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# [11:54] <mikedeboer> nvmd, I reverted - just thought I'd let ppl now about it...
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# [11:57] <Gijs> mikedeboer: you reverted? Do you mean the problem was a patch/change you had locally, or current tip is really broken for you and you reverted to something older?
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# [12:07] <Gijs> well, in any case, tip from 20 minutes ago works here... :)
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# [12:16] <mikedeboer> Gijs: reverted to an older revision and that one also crashes :( http://www.pastebin.mozilla.org/2541455
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# [12:17] <Gijs> mikedeboer: looks like https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=884334
# [12:17] <Gijs> mikedeboer: try that patch locally?
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# [12:19] <Yoric> I want to write a module or component that monitors cookie-rejected, preferably in js.
# [12:19] <Yoric> Any suggestion where I should put that in the tree?
# [12:20] <mikedeboer> Gijs: trying...
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# [12:25] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/36fb664f9101 - Jan de Mooij - Bug 883171 - Remove JSContext::fp() and JSContext::regs(). r=luke
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# [12:27] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/5c902b055c44 - Kan-Ru Chen (陳侃如) - Bug 783451 - Add ipdl testcases. r=bent DONTBUILD
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# [12:29] <Ms2ger> Slackers!
# [12:29] <Ms2ger> "We had 6,041 checkins in May 2013. This is down from last months 6,364 checkins, and down from our record of 6,433 in Mar2013."
# [12:30] <darktrojan> boo
# [12:30] <darktrojan> where's gerv? I haven't seen the bug 900000 sweepstake yet
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# [12:35] <@roc> darktrojan!
# [12:35] <darktrojan> hi
# [12:35] <@roc> you should come into the office on Friday now that we're having (ginger) beer o'clock
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# [12:36] <darktrojan> one particular friday or on a regular basis?
# [12:36] <@roc> I'm not sure. We've only done it once.
# [12:37] <@roc> but I think regular
# [12:37] <Ms2ger> Ginger beer? Haven't heard that since children's books from the forties
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# [12:37] <darktrojan> okay, I have the cold of death at the mo, so not this friday
# [12:38] <@roc> Ms2ger: didn't know you were that old
# [12:38] <darktrojan> now we do!
# [12:38] * darktrojan makes a note
# [12:38] <@roc> but yeah, ginger beer is a thing here
# [12:39] <darktrojan> how many people are in the office these days, roc?
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# [12:40] <darktrojan> enough to stop you rattling around in there?
# [12:40] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/ccdd6aa7b488 - Jon Coppeard - Bug 884371 - Remove JSMutableHandleXXX from the js/src directory r=terrence
# [12:40] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/75b8543e2b04 - Jon Coppeard - Bug 884283 - GC: Rename RootMethods to GCMethods r=terrence
# [12:41] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/f126bff5d429 - Jon Coppeard - Bug 884371 - Remove JSMutableHandleXXX from the js directory r=bholley
# [12:41] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/693f9855e226 - Jon Coppeard - Bug 884371 - Remove JSMutableHandleXXX from the browser r=bz
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# [12:42] <@roc> darktrojan: 9
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# [12:43] <darktrojan> that's gone up a bit
# [12:43] <darktrojan> I think it was 5 + heycam when I visited
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# [12:46] <mikedeboer> Gijs: that patch worked! :)
# [12:46] <Gijs> mikedeboer: great! :)
# [12:47] <Gijs> mikedeboer: good thing we've not merged UX yet...
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# [12:47] <mikedeboer> Gijs: oboy indeed
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# [12:50] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/84e4bef463e5 - Ed Morley - Bug 880226 - Disable browser_bug386835.js for too many intermittent failures, whilst we wait for review
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# [12:50] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/d5bf8119f147 - Ed Morley - Bug 861700 - Disable browser_705597.js & browser_707862.js for too many intermitent failures, whilst we wait for review
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# [12:50] <Ms2ger> roc, to be fair, they were published until the early sixties
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# [12:51] <edmorley> jandem: real or intermittent? https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=24328255&tree=Mozilla-Inbound
# [12:51] <edmorley> (on your push)
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# [12:51] <edmorley> presuming real
# [12:52] <jandem> edmorley: was green on try: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=e98dd713b583
# [12:52] <jandem> edmorley: it's possible something broke it in the meantime but would be weird
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# [12:53] <edmorley> jandem: changes since qbase for the try push: https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/pushloghtml?fromchange=175f9d9b9918&tochange=bef2efa89087
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# [12:54] <edmorley> jandem: have requested a retrigger of that job, so we'll see in ~20mins
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# [12:56] <edmorley> ah indeed :-)
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# [12:58] <evilpie> can somebody give editbugs to wingo@igalia.com?
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# [13:01] <@roc> syre
# [13:01] <@roc> done
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# [13:11] <jandem> edmorley: this is weird. I just pushed another patch to try, on top of that one, and the rootanalysis build is green: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&showall=1&rev=f1219327118a
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# [13:11] <edmorley> jandem: clobber?
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# [13:14] <jandem> edmorley: maybe..
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# [13:15] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/43905d1c6ec1 - Fernando Jiménez - Bug 884760 - Typo in OfflineCacheInstaller.jsm. r=me
# [13:15] <edmorley> jandem: have clobbered and retriggered on inbound
# [13:16] <jandem> edmorley: thanks. the other SM builds are green too. If the clobber doesn't help it's probably some weird analysis problem :(
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# [13:19] <avih> can i track the history of a file before it got imported into mercurial (netscape days?)? when was that initial hg import?
# [13:21] <avih> specifically, i'm trying to track the history of this line: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/annotate/d2a7cfa34154/docshell/base/nsDocShell.cpp#l241
# [13:21] <glazou> avih: http://bonsai.mozilla.org/cvsqueryform.cgi ?
# [13:21] <Gijs> avih: there's a git repo with a combined CVS+hg history, let me see if I can find it quickly.
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# [13:22] <Gijs> avih: https://github.com/ehsan/mozilla-history/
# [13:23] <avih> thanks guys. what's the rough VCS history of the code?
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# [13:23] <avih> i know it was mosaic, netscape, mozilla, but there could have been more than 3 VCS systems
# [13:24] <glazou> not mosaic
# [13:24] <glazou> that code was started with gecko
# [13:24] <avih> ok. that was around 95 or so?
# [13:24] <glazou> 98
# [13:24] <avih> ok
# [13:24] <avih> interesting. i'm quite positive i used mosaic earlier than 98..
# [13:25] <glazou> sure, but mosaic was not gecko-based
# [13:25] <@roc> hehe
# [13:25] <avih> oh :)
# [13:25] <glazou> the original code died with unreleased Grommit version in 97/98 IIRC
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# [13:25] <glazou> or was it 98/99
# [13:26] <avih> roc: am i going to end up with you on this line? :) http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/annotate/d2a7cfa34154/docshell/base/nsDocShell.cpp#l241
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# [13:26] <jfkthame> i think you're going to end up at https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=164931
# [13:26] <@roc> wherever you end up it's going to be very dark
# [13:26] <glazou> LOL
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# [13:29] <avih> jfkthame: aye. that bug added that line, and much of the code around it. although it seems the starvation system was there before that.
# [13:30] <glazou> avih: fwiw, Gecko was started at a San Diego-based startup called Digital Style, that Netscape acquired for that reason ; one of the original authors, Peter Linss, is still around working for HP and is co-chairing the CSS Working Group with me
# [13:30] <avih> bug 164931 initial post relates to a system which exists no more IMO, yet it still hangs the browser up to 2000ms while documents is loading
# [13:30] <Yoric> glazou: Interesting.
# [13:30] <avih> glazou: :)
# [13:31] * glazou still has a few Digital Style and NSCP SanDiego goodies somewhere
# [13:34] <Ms2ger> glazou, on an unrelated note, I didn't feel the Gare du Nord is *that* bad ;)
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# [13:35] <glazou> Ms2ger: you closed your nose, you're blind and look so poor nobody annoyed you?-)
# [13:35] <Ms2ger> Sounds right :)
# [13:35] <glazou> :)
# [13:35] <Ms2ger> I may have blocked out the smell
# [13:36] <padenot> Ms2ger: come say hi!
# [13:36] <Ms2ger> padenot, I probably will next time I'm in Paris
# [13:36] <padenot> Ms2ger: nice
# [13:36] <Ms2ger> I hear there's a nice office... ;)
# [13:36] * padenot looks around
# [13:36] <padenot> indeed
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# [13:37] <Ms2ger> Heh
# [13:37] <glazou> Ms2ger: s/office/palace
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# [13:42] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/03c829d7d4e7 - Till Schneidereit - Bug 882468 - Simplify BooleanGetPrimitiveValue. r=waldo,evilpie
# [13:44] <RealRaven> ping all
# [13:44] <RealRaven> this is quite shocking to me, current Thunderbird platform Version = 17.0.6 as well??? I thought Tb 17.0.6 was on Gecko 22???
# [13:45] <SDUP> is there any js debugger included with Firefox 14 ? Venkman is still a relevant option to debug js ?
# [13:45] <till> RealRaven: I'm not entirely sure, but my bet would be that Thunderbird uses long term stability releases as its basis
# [13:45] <till> RealRaven: that'd mean they'll update to 24 when that's released
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# [13:46] <RealRaven> that would mean we are jumping Gecko fropm 17 to 24 on the next big release.
# [13:46] <@roc> SDUP: why would you be using Firefox 14???
# [13:46] <till> RealRaven: and 24 is going from Nightly to Aurora next week
# [13:46] <till> RealRaven: yes
# [13:46] <SDUP> roc: our xulrunner app is based on Fx14
# [13:46] <till> RealRaven: but really, I'm just speculating, don't know much about Thunderbird releases
# [13:46] <RealRaven> Ok. I am just working on an update dialog for my Addons users, want to nag them to update to at least Tb 17
# [13:47] <RealRaven> I have lots of users who use 16, 15, 14, 12, 11...
# [13:47] <RealRaven> (almost) no idea why
# [13:47] <avih> roc: have any suggestion/design-change for this? https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=880036#c10
# [13:47] <RealRaven> I guess Gecko 17.0.6 is probably very close to 22
# [13:48] <RealRaven> just hard to explain that to ordinary users
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# [13:50] <darktrojan> Thunderbird is indeed Gecko 17
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# [13:50] <darktrojan> also, did we unfreeze the gecko/20100101 in the user agent string?
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# [13:51] <@roc> rip it out
# [13:52] <@roc> avih: seriously. Try removing it altogether.
# [13:52] <@roc> see how it affects Talos Tp
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# [13:53] <avih> yeah, i guess tp5 would be at least 10% slower
# [13:53] <@roc> why?
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# [13:53] <avih> but however you look at it, a page which loads at 500ms while hanging the browser is worse IMO than a page which loads at 1500ms while keeping the browser fully responsive
# [13:54] <avih> because pains would be handled while the content loads
# [13:54] <avih> paints
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# [13:54] <@ted> avih: we do have a Tp5 responsiveness test...
# [13:55] <@ted> (we run Tp5 with the event loop instrumentation enabled)
# [13:55] <avih> ted: TBH i don't know what all the talos tests actually test. but i agree it would be interesting to see how it affects talos results indeed.
# [13:56] <@roc> avih: I think you should try it. It's not like we're currently locking out all paints for 2s while a page loads.
# [13:56] <@ted> avih: just saying, if you could show that it regresses tp5 but improves tp5 responsiveness you'd have a better argument
# [13:56] <avih> (i have more than touched tsvg and tscroll, though didn't mess much with tp5)
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# [13:56] <avih> roc: actually, on many cases we actually are (blocking all paints)
# [13:57] <avih> roc: because it's enhanced by an unoptimal of the refresh driver scheduler, which is what my patch fixed.
# [13:58] <@roc> I know throbber paints while documents are loading affect Tp5 quite a bit.
# [13:59] <avih> so the combination of unoptimal scheduling and this by-design starvation does starve paints. changing any of those would fix it, yet we should probably fix both
# [14:00] <avih> roc: makes sense. but would you prefer hanged browser for 500ms until the page renders? or animated throbber and responsive browser for 1500ms?
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# [14:02] <@roc> I'm not convinced the browser actually does hang for 500ms on a slow page load
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# [14:03] <@roc> remember that the page's paint suppression timer will still be happening
# [14:04] <@roc> another confounding factor is that we'll have OMTC and OMT animated images soon, so the throbber will animate even if the main thread is blocked
# [14:04] <avih> roc: i can tell you for a fact it _can_ starve tab animation paints on some cases on a slow enough system even though the refresh driver keeps ticking and animating at about 50hz
# [14:04] <@roc> ok
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# [14:05] <@roc> so I think with OMTC this becomes irrelevant since painting doesn't use WM_PAINT anymore
# [14:05] <avih> i was improving talos tests to stress the browser, and notice that all the animations don't actually animate on screen, which is how i ended up filing this bug
# [14:06] <till> roc: ping
# [14:06] <@roc> till: hi
# [14:06] <till> roc: hi
# [14:06] <@roc> till: hello
# [14:06] <till> heh
# [14:06] <avih> roc: yeah, waiting for OMTC :)
# [14:06] <till> roc: I can't find any info on when azure acceleration is going to be switched on by default on OS X
# [14:06] <till> roc: am I just looking in the wrong places?
# [14:07] <@roc> for canvas, or content?
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# [14:08] <till> roc: sorry, for canvas
# [14:08] <@roc> I don't know
# [14:08] <till> (although I'm interested in content, too)
# [14:08] <@roc> QuartzGL kind of exploded on the launch pad
# [14:08] <till> who would?
# [14:08] <till> mmh, what does that mean?
# [14:09] <@roc> we got it working and then discovered it was all kinds of crashy
# [14:09] <@roc> for us anyway. Oddly enough Safari uses it OK.
# [14:09] <till> I see
# [14:09] <@roc> so the current plan is to enable SkiaGL on Mac. You can actually do this today via prefs.
# [14:10] <till> that is the gfx.canvas.azure.accelerated pref, right?
# [14:10] <till> ah, and the backends, flag, I guess?
# [14:10] <till> Whatever "cg" means as a backend :)
# [14:11] <@roc> yeah, change backends to skiagl or something
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# [14:13] <@roc> or just "skia"
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# [14:13] <till> skiagl seems to work
# [14:13] <till> sadly, at least for one test I'm looking at, it is much slower than cg
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# [14:14] <@roc> gfx.canvas.azure.accelerated is true?
# [14:14] <till> yes
# [14:14] <till> mmh, weird
# [14:15] <till> so, the test I'm looking at is http://files.jacksondunstan.com/articles/2272/BitmapScaleRotHTML5.html
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# [14:16] <till> With accelerated=false, I get 100ms/120ms/170ms for the opaque, and slightly higher numbers for the alpha tests
# [14:16] <till> with accelerated=true and backends=cg, I get between 12ms and 19ms on all tests
# [14:17] <till> with backends=skia, I get very unstable numbers between 25ms and 75ms
# [14:18] <till> however, I get the same with backends=skiagl
# [14:18] <till> or backends=foo
# [14:18] <@roc> hehe
# [14:19] <@roc> I think you want "skia"
# [14:19] <@roc> also about:support might help
# [14:19] <KaiRo> for Linux, to test what we think will be what we enable OMTC with, should backends be skiagl as well?
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# [14:20] <till> It does, thanks!
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# [14:20] * KaiRo recently saw some color problems in his OMTC testing on Linux
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# [14:22] <till> Ah, restarting between switching backends helps ...
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# [14:23] <till> roc: so, is a very severe performance degradation expected with the skiaGL backend at this point?
# [14:23] <till> roc: compared to the Quartz backend, that is
# [14:23] <@roc> depends on what you're doing
# [14:24] <firebot> Check-in:
# [14:24] <@roc> for some benchmarks it's a definite speedup
# [14:24] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/566ca9eb534e - Ehsan Akhgari - Bug 884632 - Optimize MediaStreamGraphImpl::PrepareUpdatesToMainThreadState in order to only include AudioNodeStreams that the main thread is interested in; r=roc
# [14:24] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/deed7fb2834e - Ehsan Akhgari - Bug 883011 - Optimize PrepareUpdatesToMainThread to avoid re-allocating memory as much as possible; r=roc
# [14:24] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/42ec2b2ca987 - Arnaud Sourioux - Bug 702080 - Replace GetDisplayDocument with IsResourceDoc when needed. r=bz
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# [14:25] <till> roc: for this, http://files.jacksondunstan.com/articles/2272/BitmapScaleRotHTML5.html, numbers with skia are ~4x worse than with quartz
# [14:25] * till doesn't know how well-made that test is
# [14:26] <steve> status update: new standalone GTK Embed test compiles & runs under the debugger. seg faults standalone. so reckon that's a core bug :)
# [14:26] <steve> latest ff22 beta source
# [14:27] <steve> so going to be a printf logfest to debug that one.
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# [14:28] <avih> roc: btw, this starvation-by-design definitely works differently on windows/linux. on linux it happens on every page load for 2000ms. on windows, once it "releases" once, it appears to never happen again on any page.
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# [14:28] <froydnj> steve: might mean you have some uninitialized memory floating about in the embed code
# [14:29] <steve> sure. it's unintialized something somewhere. or a stomp
# [14:29] <Yoric> To pass a literal PRUnichar* to a function, what's the standard way?
# [14:29] <Yoric> w"foo"
# [14:29] <Yoric> or
# [14:29] <Yoric> NS_LITERAL_STRING("foo").get()
# [14:29] <Yoric> or something else entirely?
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# [14:30] <steve> froydnj: think I know where it is as the same isszue popped up whilst putting it togther
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# [14:32] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/3e8212722888 - Nathan Froyd - Bug 871596 - part 2 - add a new memberAlignmentType to replace the scattered uint32_t alignments; r=bent
# [14:32] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/ca677b5c6229 - Nathan Froyd - Bug 871596 - part 1 - rewrite Pickle's alignment mechanism to be more obviously optimizable; r=bent
# [14:32] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/e582f705dafa - Nathan Froyd - Bug 871596 - part 3 - replace memcpys of POD datatypes in Pickle with something smarter; r=bent
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# [14:36] <steve> think it's a fault deep in RegisterModule(&kXPCOMModule, NULL); around line 390 in nsComponentManager.cpp, but dropping in some debug then will build that to confirm. going to be a slow one again today ...
# [14:37] <decoder> froydnj: the crash im seeing is a heap buffer overflow related to memalign. so it might well be a backport problem. im trying to reproduce now with llvm trunk
# [14:37] <decoder> we can still ask the asan devs for help with the backporting
# [14:37] <steve> if if fails there, I'll upload the source as I've looked at it & it goes deep into quirky weirdnesses I know nothing about.
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# [14:39] <Standard8> have we got any good / secure / documented way to strip/sanitise html from text in content space?
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# [14:43] <steve> In fact may as well provide source now, as there's a bug somewhere & can never have too many experienced pairs of eyes on stuff like this : http://advance-software.com/misc/embedding_tests_gtkEmbed.tar.gz
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# [14:44] <steve> it ain't pretty but it works under the debugger. when it's solid & stable will tidy it up but first need the API solid. Hasn't been exercised for a long time as the original GTK Embed was pulled from the tree ages ago (FF4 source).
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# [14:45] <steve> the stability issue is in an unoptimized debug build. might be fine in release. dunno. haven't tried that yet.
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# [14:47] <@bz_sleep> If I land stuff now, will it miss today's nightly?
# [14:47] * @bz_sleep hopes so
# [14:47] <steve> so that source sits right next to winEmbed in embedding/tests in the tree then connect up the moz.build stuff so it builds. the output binary must be copied into the /dist/bin directory as it's currently hardwired to look in the program's directory for libxpcom, etc. so zap the symlink it generates in dist/bin
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# [14:49] <Ms2ger> bz, sure
# [14:49] <gfritzsche> do we have any NS_IMPL_ISUPPORTS version that can deal with templates?
# [14:50] * gfritzsche hasn't found anything
# [14:50] <Ms2ger> gfritzsche, don't think so
# [14:50] <gfritzsche> hm :(
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# [14:51] <Ms2ger> bz, I think that's undecidable
# [14:52] <steve> the stability issue *might* be to do with a bunch of stl paranoid #errors I had to disable to get the thing to build. happy to fix GTK Embed so they don't need disabling but wanted to get it building & running as quickly as possible first. will open a bugzilla entry for this unless there are any objections.
# [14:53] <@bz> I guess the real question is whether baku plans to update his form patches or whether I should just do it....
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# [14:55] <@bsmedberg> gfritzsche: that doesn't sound like a great idea in general
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# [14:57] <gfritzsche> bsmedberg: even for observers that look identical except a client type they call to?
# [14:58] <@bsmedberg> gfritzsche: I'm not sure what that means, but why would you need to templatize the nsISupports impl?
# [14:58] <@bsmedberg> couldn't you use a shared nsISupports impl between them?
# [14:59] <gfritzsche> bsmedberg: hm, right, i could of course have them share a common base
# [14:59] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/a111fc485061 - Bas Schouten - Bug 883352 - With OMTC enabled on Metro Firefox, we crash when scrolling. r=jmuizelaar
# [14:59] <gfritzsche> oops, thanks
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# [15:06] <edmorley|mtg> jandem: think there may be an issue with the clobberer and these builds, filed bug 884788
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# [15:08] <jandem> edmorley: excellent :)
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# [15:17] <@khuey> so I landed patches on cypress yesterday
# [15:17] <@khuey> did bsmedberg totally screw me over? :-P
# [15:17] <@bsmedberg> khuey: no, they ended up on inbound
# [15:17] <@bsmedberg> although I tried :-(
# [15:17] <@khuey> oh so we just don't post inbound merges to bugs?
# [15:17] <@bsmedberg> I suspect not
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# [15:18] <@khuey> ok
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# [15:18] <decoder> froydnj: sounds like a good option too, yep :)
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# [15:54] <Tomcat> khuey: thanks!
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# [16:05] <@ted> i like that we have a 10+ year old meta bug about fixing compiler warnings
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# [16:07] <jdm> jcranmer: do you have any problems with the slightly adjusted patch for bug 882424?
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# [16:07] <jcranmer> jdm: nope
# [16:07] <jdm> alright, I'll push it
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# [16:12] <Ms2ger> ted, feel like fixing a couple? ;)
# [16:12] <@ted> Ms2ger: sure don't
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# [16:14] <Ms2ger> ted, :(
# [16:14] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/f523cbfd3be8 - Jacek Caban - Bug 884222 - Use __declspec(dllexport) in Opus on mingw. r=derf
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# [16:15] <jdm> anybody know if I can run mach xpcshell under a debugger?
# [16:15] <jdm> with a command line argument, that is?
# [16:15] <@ted> does it support --debugger ?
# [16:15] <@ted> it has --debug
# [16:16] <jdm> ted: --debug doesn't actually throw me into gdb :/
# [16:16] <jdm> maybe I should file a bug about that
# [16:16] <@ted> feels pretty broken
# [16:16] <Ms2ger> Please
# [16:17] <jdm> oh heh, bholley reported it in march and I commented on it
# [16:17] <@ted> yeah, uh, that's broken
# [16:18] <jdm> back to make
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# [16:18] <@ted> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/testing/xpcshell/mach_commands.py#92
# [16:18] <@ted> it doesn't even try to pass the debug argument down to runTests
# [16:18] <jdm> heh
# [16:18] <@ted> which is good, because that doesn't take a debug argument
# [16:19] <@ted> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/testing/xpcshell/runxpcshelltests.py#628
# [16:19] <@ted> that wants debugger,debuggerArgs
# [16:19] <@ted> probably could crib from the mochitest command and make it work
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# [16:19] <jdm> yep
# [16:19] <jdm> I'll make it a mentored bug for now
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# [16:25] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/798c709e591f - Boris Zbarsky - Bug 883968. Give <object>/<embed>/<applet> channels notification callbacks that can actually be used from script. r=johns
# [16:25] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/192cecc0111e - Andrea Marchesini - Bug 841442 - Rename nsHTMLFormElement to HTMLFormElement
# [16:25] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/259e68f8843d - Andrea Marchesini - Bug 841442 - Move HTMLFormElement to WebIDL, r=bz
# [16:25] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/aa768b37b1c8 - Boris Zbarsky - Bug 884109. Remove GetDocumentFromCaller from NS_NewHTMLImage/OptionElement and remove the XPCOM-y bits for creating those, since WebIDL bindings don't use those.
# [16:25] <firebot> r=smaug
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# [16:30] <edmorley> ted: think a keyword would be a better replacement for that meta now
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# [16:32] <jcranmer> ^^ so all nodes now use webidl bindings?
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# [16:41] <decoder> froydnj: i cannot reproduce the issue with llvm trunk. works fine for me. it might indeed be related to the backporting then
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# [16:42] <decoder> shall we ask kcc if he can create a backport patch to the 3.3 branch so we can use that, and they can land it when the maintenance branch opens?
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# [16:44] <froydnj> decoder: please do
# [16:44] <froydnj> sorry for my incompetent backporting skills
# [16:44] <froydnj> decoder: do you have stack traces or anything from the crashes?
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# [16:45] <decoder> froydnj: yes I do, once sec :) and im pretty sure your skills are not at fault^^
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# [16:46] <steve> ok ... so the crash in the new GTK_Embed isn't as nasty as I thought. the earlier issue was due to wrong build flags. current issue is it's crashing inside gtk_widget_show(browser->topLevelWindow);
# [16:47] <decoder> froydnj: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/2542182
# [16:47] <decoder> i need to head out, be back in an hour
# [16:47] <decoder> approx
# [16:47] <steve> totally gtk programming noob so does that call a paint op internally that could be crashing ? works under the debugger
# [16:47] <froydnj> whoa, that looks weird
# [16:48] <decoder> froydnj: m-c rev b7175c5829b5 btw.
# [16:48] <decoder> err
# [16:48] <decoder> no
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# [16:48] <decoder> ah no. b7175c5829b5 is correct
# [16:48] <decoder> =)
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# [16:52] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/9d7ab37cf1d3 - Joey Armstrong - bug 881344: move SHARED_LIBRARY_LIBS to mozbuild (logic). r=gps
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# [16:54] <steve> should be able to figure this out myself. will just simplify it until it stops crashing then work back.
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# [16:57] <froydnj> decoder: do you know why the addresses for the shadow bytes in that crash have no correlation with the crashing address?
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# [17:00] <froydnj> ...and not touching that file
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# [17:00] <@bz> froydnj: it hates your freedoms.
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# [17:00] <froydnj> bz: it sucks cpu cycles like a vampire sucks blood
# [17:01] <froydnj> seems like a deficiency in the build system somewhere
# [17:01] <@bsmedberg> what's the simple way in hg to re-apply a patch a patch which was backed out?
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# [17:01] <@bsmedberg> hg transplant refuses to do it because it's already present
# [17:02] <edmorley> bsmedberg: sfink's qbackout extension has a reapply option https://bitbucket.org/sfink/qbackout
# [17:02] <edmorley> --apply
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# [17:03] <till> That sfink guy!
# [17:04] <froydnj> that moment when you realize sfink has already written hg-fu to solve your problems
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# [17:04] <@bsmedberg> yep
# [17:04] <till> indeed
# [17:05] <@bsmedberg> hrm, it makes a new commit message instead of using the old one
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# [17:18] <matthewgertner> or am I supposed to file a bug?
# [17:19] <Ms2ger> Try #it, I guess
# [17:19] <matthewgertner> ah okay… scoured the list but couldn't see it
# [17:19] <matthewgertner> cheers
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# [17:29] <Ms2ger> Fortunately you only have to touch it to defeat it
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# [17:38] <sfink> yeah, I have logic to scrounge through history to recover the original commit message. It's either not working for some reason, or I forgot to push it to the repo.
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# [17:38] <djvj> what's the policy for pushing test cases which also need uplift to Aurora?
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# [17:45] <@ted> BenWa: so i think on Windows we could simply use named events
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# [17:46] <@ted> you call CreateEvent with a name, and then you can call OpenEvent from another process with the same name and signal it
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# [17:46] <@ted> there's a function called RegisterWaitForSingleObject, you can pass it a handle (which you get from CreateEvent) and it will call a callback on a background thread when it's signaled
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# [17:47] <@ted> so for testing purposes we could have an environment variable that sets the event name, then it'd be easy for automation to signal it
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# [17:48] <@ted> ehsan: does that ^^ sound sane?
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# [17:52] <BenWa> ted: Can these events pass data unlike a signal?
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# [17:53] <@ted> no, they're just a notification that something happened
# [17:53] <@ted> if we wanted something more complex we could use named pipes
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# [17:53] <@ted> or a socket or something
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# [17:54] <BenWa> ted: If you built something into the breakpad handler we would get this feature cross platform. But messing with breakpad seems to always have complications every time I tried
# [17:54] <@ted> yeah, that's tricky
# [17:54] <@ted> also we don't have a way to trigger breakpad easily on every platform anyway
# [17:54] <@ted> if we did this with a socket we could make it easily cross-platform
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# [17:54] <@ehsan> ted: what's the problem we're solving?
# [17:55] <@ted> ehsan: triggering a profile dump from outside the process
# [17:55] <@ted> we have that hooked up to SIGUSR1 on linux AIUI
# [17:55] <@ehsan> yeah, that's the way to send signals on windows pretty much
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# [17:55] <@ehsan> you might wanna worry about namespaces etc
# [17:55] <@ehsan> but for software run from the same desktop it should be fine
# [17:55] <@ted> ehsan: my thought was just have an environment variable to specify the event name
# [17:56] <@ted> kind of a pain, but mostly useful for automation
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# [17:56] <@ehsan> ted: why wouldn't we hardcode it?
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# [17:56] <@ehsan> ted: that seems very scary
# [17:56] <@ted> to support having multiple browsers running?
# [17:56] <@ted> i guess we could put the PID in there or something
# [17:56] <@ehsan> yeah
# [17:57] <@ehsan> making a tool for signaling arbitrary events is... not a good idea!
# [17:57] <@ehsan> BenWa: let me know if you need help with the win32 magic
# [17:57] <@bsmedberg> philor: is "Unknown event type 0x1" for a mac "leakstats | log file incomplete" still bug 774844 even though that summary mentions other error types?
# [17:57] <BenWa> ehsan: ted: I don't have time to work on it. I'm already working on a bunch of profiler features on the side =\
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# [17:58] <@ehsan> padenot: for security bug test cases, click on the Details link, that gives you the plaintext source
# [17:58] <@ehsan> BenWa: ok, then I won't help you I guess :P
# [17:58] <philor> bsmedberg: yeah, throw 'em all in there
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# [17:58] <RyanVM> bsmedberg: why not
# [17:58] <@bsmedberg> hah
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# [18:01] <@ted> BenWa: i could probably whip up a patch for that when i get a few things cleared up here
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# [18:01] <@ted> ehsan: what do you mean "making a tool for signaling arbitrary events"?
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# [18:01] <@ted> ehsan: oh, you mean allowing clients to set the event name?
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# [18:01] <@ehsan> ted: if you pass in the name of the event in an env var, isn't that what you're building?
# [18:02] <@ehsan> yeah
# [18:02] <@ted> i suppose so, yeah
# [18:02] <@ted> heh
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# [18:02] <@ted> i guess something like "firefoxprofiler%d" % pid
# [18:02] <@ted> would be fine
# [18:03] <@ehsan> yep
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# [18:05] <@ehsan> ted: also, y u no review?
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# [18:06] <@ted> uh sorry
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# [18:06] <@ehsan> ted: I'll keep pestering you. you know that, right? :)
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# [18:13] <@ted> ehsan: i have your patches open in tabs here, i'll get to them, sorry
# [18:14] <philor> jdm: good news, now you just leak!
# [18:14] <jdm> fffff
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# [18:14] <philor> or maybe whatever else was busted hasn't run yet, I didn't look and don't remember
# [18:15] <jdm> no, just the leak it seems
# [18:15] <jdm> mea culpa
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# [18:15] <jdm> I did not run mochitests locally
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# [18:18] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/30514cb515db - Terrence Cole - Bug 884562 - Allow root analysis to be enabled when using generational GC; r=sfink DONTBUILD
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# [18:18] <Gijs> Is there an easy way to check whether an event was fired from a system target or not?
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# [18:19] <Gijs> Sorry, let me rephrase... whether we're looking at the 'system' part of an event's propagation, or at the 'normal' one?
# [18:20] <froydnj> way to MITM, opendns :(
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# [18:25] <RyanVM> jdm: what did I tell you about burning my tree?!?!
# [18:25] <jdm> eep
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# [18:25] <RyanVM> :)
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# [18:28] <decoder> froydnj: nope, thats indeed strange
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# [18:29] <sfink> RyanVM: I have a bad feeling about terrence's latest 30514cb515db push
# [18:29] <RyanVM> what could possibly go wrong?
# [18:29] <jdm> I agree, that's my least favourite hash
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# [18:31] <terrence> froydnj: thanks for the backout!
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# [18:39] <bent> bsmedberg, what component does xpcshell count as? XPCOM?
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# [18:40] <RyanVM> testing...xpcshell harness?
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# [18:46] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/9f852d187722 - Kannan Vijayan - Bug 883789 - Use baseline fallback stubs to track double-overflow of BinaryArith and UnaryArith ops. r=h4writer
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# [18:48] <Optimizer> bugzilla is dead ?
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# [18:49] <JosiahOne> Optimizer: Better file a bug on that. ;) It's working fine here.
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# [18:49] <Optimizer> JosiahOne: can you file it for me ?
# [18:49] <Optimizer> ;)
# [18:50] <RyanVM> heh, reminds me of when we had the trees closed for the scl3 changeover and I had a link to the bug # in the closure message
# [18:50] <RyanVM> "if you can read this, we're good"
# [18:50] <JosiahOne> Optimizer: Oh, sorry. It's coffee time. ;)
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# [18:50] <Optimizer> meh, I use JS
# [18:50] <Optimizer> it doesn't take time
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# [18:51] <JosiahOne> Lol.
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# [18:52] <JosiahOneAway> Bah.
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# [18:54] <gps> can someone remind me how to show hidden builders on tbpl?
# [18:54] <sfink> &showall=1
# [18:54] <gps> sfink: thank you!
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# [18:56] <RyanVM> gps: feel free to stop by and ask next time :P
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# [18:58] <@bsmedberg> bent: I typically use xpconnect, but it depends on what the bug is
# [18:58] <bent> ok!
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# [19:11] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/60a18af6cc27 - Kannan Vijayan - Backed out changeset 9f852d187722 (bug 883789)
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# [19:23] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/aded0559ac48 - Shane Caraveo - bug 882132 fix setting provider icon via worker api, r=felipe
# [19:24] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/a72d816724da - Terrence Cole - Bug 884628 - Optimize the post-barrier verifier; r=jonco
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# [19:26] <@ehsan> froydnj: when you pinged roc, did you realize that he's not on the channel? :)
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# [19:27] <froydnj> ehsan: no :)
# [19:28] <@ehsan> froydnj: I always have that problem... his nick is too short
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# [19:28] <@ehsan> froydnj: but I now have a mental map of the NZ timezone ;)
# [19:28] <froydnj> ehsan: =D
# [19:28] <@ehsan> so I can tell you that he'll probably come online in 2-3 hours
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# [19:29] <froydnj> ok, thanks
# [19:29] <@ehsan> np
# [19:29] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/d7a1b18447fe - Benjamin Smedberg - Bug 882858 - Add a "showing" notification to PopupNotifications, r=jaws sr=gavin
# [19:29] <@ehsan> bz: have you ever seen anything like this? https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=24336383&tree=Try&full=1#error0
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# [19:30] <@ehsan> seems like the compiler just crashes
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# [19:30] <@ehsan> secretrobotron: ping
# [19:31] <avih> bz: re not regress bug 630127, yes, the patch i posted a week ago takes care of that, see bug 880036#c5
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# [19:32] <@bz> ehsan: nope
# [19:32] <secretrobotron> ehsan: pong
# [19:32] <@bz> It doesn't even claim ICE
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# [19:33] <RyanVM> ehsan: I want to say I've seen that before, but I'm not finding a bug for it
# [19:33] <@ehsan> bz: yeah... something to keep in mind I guess
# [19:33] <@ehsan> RyanVM: I couldn't either
# [19:33] <@ehsan> secretrobotron: do you think you can put up the patch for review today?
# [19:33] <@ehsan> uplift is next week...
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# [19:34] <secretrobotron> yes!
# [19:34] <secretrobotron> just need to finish that test!
# [19:34] <@ehsan> \o/
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# [19:37] <RyanVM> music to my ears :)
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# [19:45] <jimm> Do we have a list somewhere of all the project repos that regularly merge with mc?
# [19:45] <jimm> RyanVM: ^ any ideas? re bug 847442
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# [19:47] <@ehsan> dholbert|afk: btw, sorry about my misjudgement on bug 702080
# [19:47] <RyanVM> jimm: birch, fx-team, inbound, services-central (rarely), build-system (rarely)
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# [19:47] <jimm> freaking awesome, thanks
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# [19:47] <RyanVM> jimm: but for that bug
# [19:48] <nalexander> RyanVM: rnewman, gps, and I try to merge s-c to m-c at least once a week. For a while I was hitting every day :)
# [19:48] <RyanVM> jimm: the better approach is to basically assume "based on m-c" unless otherwise stated
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# [19:48] <RyanVM> so basically, blacklisting aurora/beta/esr17/b2g18*/etc
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# [19:48] <RyanVM> so if someone stands up a branch for UX/GFX/etc, it'll "just work" by default
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# [19:49] <dholbert> ehsan, np! it was mysterious; hard to attribute blame
# [19:49] <jimm> ok, I will mention that. thanks.
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# [20:13] <steve> m_web_browser = do_CreateInstance(NS_WEBBROWSER_CONTRACTID);
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# [20:14] <steve> failing in new GTK_Embed sample .. debug build from command line. runs ok from ddd.
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# [20:15] <steve> probably something missing from XRE_InitEmbedding2 on linux.
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# [20:16] <tn> avih, oh, since there was no 2 second thing on linux i thought it was different
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# [20:18] <avih> tn: the 2s on linux is worse than windows. on linux it happens on every page load, while on windows after it's fixed once i couldn't see it happen again during the same session.
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# [20:19] <steve> current source : http://advance-software.com/misc/embedding_tests_gtkEmbed.tar.gz - goes right next to winEmbed in embedding/tests
# [20:20] <steve> will try switching from XRE_InitEmbedding to FF init equivalent & see if the problem vanishes
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# [20:24] <tn> avih, even this favor perf code is not supposed to starve native events for more than 20ms, so something is going quite wrong
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# [20:24] <avih> tn: this code was added 11 years ago.. a lot changed since then
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# [20:25] <avih> tn: ermm.. not sure what you mean? it uses 2000ms starvation by default. that's what the hint aims at
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# [20:28] <tn> avih, yes, but there is further code that tries not to prevent native events from getting starved for more than 20ms. completely not handling native events for 2 seconds on every page load would be a complete disaster and would have been noticed everywhere all the time
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# [20:29] <tn> avih, http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/widget/xpwidgets/nsBaseAppShell.cpp#274
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# [20:29] <avih> tn: it only happens if refresh driver iterations happen to be more than 16ms. so i guess it's not a very common case, but you can try the testcase, reload as many times as you like, experience the hang on every reload on linux
# [20:30] <tn> avih, i'm not doubting anything that you observed
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# [20:30] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/6d4a482b6aa7 - Kannan Vijayan - Bug 883789 - Use baseline fallback stubs to track double-overflow of BinaryArith and UnaryArith ops. r=h4writer
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# [20:32] <avih> tn: understanding the intricacies of the events handling and priorities of a 10 TO code around which so much stuff changed could be some task. I happened to observe this case, let's handle it one case at a time. right now changing this constant fixes both linux and windows on that case, with their slightly different symptoms.
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# [20:34] <aceman> how can I check quickly if the focus is in some child of a hbox?
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# [20:38] <Archaeopteryx> aceman: if (document.querySelector("hbox :focus"))?
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# [20:39] <@bz> if you don't care which hbox
# [20:39] <Archaeopteryx> of course you likely do something like aHbox.qS(":focus")
# [20:39] <Archaeopteryx> or you have an id for the selector
# [20:40] <aceman> good idea
# [20:40] <tn> avih, ok, i just wanted to point out that the favor perf code isn't working as intended, so we could have deeper problems with potentially even bigger wins
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# [20:40] <aceman> Archaeopteryx: thanks
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# [20:40] <avih> tn: agreed. i said "rip it out" send a chill down my spine ;)
# [20:42] <tn> avih, you should rip it out and do a try run
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# [20:42] <tn> avih, if it has 0% talos impact or 50% talos impact both are very important to know what we want to do
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# [20:44] <aceman> Archaeopteryx: what when it does not work?
# [20:44] <avih> tn: very much agreed
# [20:44] <Yoric> ttaubert: By the way, any chance of a session restore review?
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# [20:44] <Archaeopteryx> aceman: you mean it doesn't find any matching node?
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# [20:44] <aceman> Archaeopteryx: I have the cursor blinking in a textbox and it is not found
# [20:44] <aceman> returns null
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# [20:45] <aceman> oh, that is not considered focus
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# [20:46] <aceman> when I click a menulist and it stays with the dotted outline, that is found
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# [20:47] <avih> tn: btw, smaug suggested to make it a pref for a while, possibly even set it to 10 by default. how would you feel about that?
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# [20:47] <tn> avih, sure, i'm all for experimenting with it
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# [20:48] <avih> tn: i mean, land a patch to make it a pref
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# [20:48] <tn> avih, yes, that sounds good
# [20:48] <aceman> Archaeopteryx: ok, textboxes have a focused="true" attribute
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# [20:49] <tn> avih, you might want to talk to henri as well, the new html5 parser seems to make somewhat intricate use of the favor perf stuff
# [20:49] <avih> tn: in that case, should we first open a new bug to make it a pref, and make one of the bugs blocking the other?
# [20:49] <tn> avih, yeah, sounds good, new bug to make it a pref
# [20:50] <@smaug> bug 884955
# [20:50] <@smaug> tn: ^
# [20:50] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/4be8af5b96c7 - Boris Zbarsky - Bug 883827. Make Optional<NonNull<T>> and Optional<OwningNonNull<T>> nicer to use by having their const Value() method return a T&. r=peterv
# [20:50] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/32bffdedafee - Boris Zbarsky - Bug 883887. Add an Unlink method to js::ExpandoAndGeneration. r=peterv
# [20:50] <avih> tn: hmm.. interesting. i should rally put this bug asside for a week at least.. got pressing stuff to do. but i keep getting back to it :)
# [20:50] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/af5a1ae148db - Boris Zbarsky - Bug 884401. Remove the hasXPConnectImpls annotations for HTMLElement, Element, and Node in WebIDL bindings, since all those are gone. r=peterv
# [20:51] <@smaug> tn: does html5 parser do anything which the old parser doesn't?
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# [20:51] <@smaug> this odd starvation thing was added *long* ago
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# [20:51] <tn> smaug, not sure. one of my questions would be if henri just copied the old parser
# [20:51] <@smaug> (IIRC by stuart, but haven't checked the blame for awhile)
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# [20:51] <@smaug> tn: I'd guess so
# [20:53] <avih> smaug: wouldn't it be better to read the pref into a static var, to only read it once?
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# [20:54] <@smaug> avih: I was thinking that first, but this is not perf critical code in any way
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# [20:54] <@smaug> so decided to take the simplest possible approach
# [20:54] <@smaug> but I can change if wanted
# [20:54] <avih> smaug: it looks like it's not in any hot code, but OTOH, i didn't verify it. i only observed the code
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# [20:55] <avih> smaug: i'm not asking to, i'm discussing it :)
# [20:55] <@smaug> just accessing nsIAppShell is significantly slower than GetUint
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# [20:55] <@smaug> anyhow, I'm hoping to get rid of this soon-ish
# [20:56] <avih> that sounds convincing :) r+
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# [20:57] <avih> smaug: it has an idl definition as well. you sure it compiles?
# [20:58] <@smaug> idl?
# [20:58] <avih> (just noticed you changed the signature)
# [20:58] <aceman> bz: can I detect if <editor> is focused (has cursor in it) ?
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# [20:58] <@smaug> avih: what signature
# [20:58] <@smaug> everything is within nsDocShell.cpp
# [20:58] <avih> smaug: http://dxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/widget/nsIAppShell.idl#l43
# [20:59] <@smaug> I didn't change that
# [20:59] <@smaug> I changed only docshell part
# [20:59] <@smaug> should I change all FavorPerformanceHint usage
# [21:00] <@smaug> I don't think so
# [21:00] <@smaug> since 0 is used elsewhere
# [21:00] <@bz> aceman: dunno offhand
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# [21:01] <@smaug> avih: this all is just so bizarre
# [21:01] <avih> ?
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# [21:01] <@smaug> the whole FavorPerformanceHint
# [21:01] <@smaug> no one has measured it for ages
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# [21:01] <avih> i think i understand why it got there in the first place, but no clue if it's supposed to be useful these days
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# [21:06] <vlad> hm, if I just did a make reftest, why would the resulting reftest.log only have about 3300 tests run instead of 9000?
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# [21:07] <Ms2ger> It's... under nine thousand?
# [21:07] <vlad> tinderboxes say 9070 plus a few hundred todos
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# [21:08] <@ehsan> vlad: how are you running the reftetss?
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# [21:09] <ttaubert> Yoric: totally. until the end of the week at the latest
# [21:09] <@ehsan> philor: what's the "normal" try server turnaround time these days?
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# [21:10] <ttaubert> quite bad
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# [21:11] <catlee> about 5 hours
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# [21:11] <philor> other than 10.7, if you're talking about in the middle of a weekday, maybe a couple hours more than inbound
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# [21:11] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/f1ce5983b285 - Guilherme Gonçalves - Bug 874996 - Part 1 - Simplify handling of geolocation requests. r=jdm
# [21:11] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/59e7f2102e16 - Guilherme Gonçalves - Bug 874996 - Part 2 - Issue error events for geolocation provider errors. r=jdm
# [21:11] <philor> 10.7's not doing so well, so that'll be 4-5 hours later
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# [21:21] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/4e5d6e8d8849 - Jim Mathies - Bug 880885 - Add support for sliding hover nav buttons part 1. r=fryn
# [21:21] <jimm> ah, crap. what's the process for updating a bad bug number?
# [21:21] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/08f0b84d5e62 - Jim Mathies - Bug 882902 - Remove old fennec text input bindings no longer in use. r=fryn
# [21:21] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/f0f88a7512a5 - Jim Mathies - Bug 880885 - Add support for sliding hover nav buttons part 2. r=fryn
# [21:21] <jimm> backout and repush using DONTBUILD?
# [21:22] <dholbert> jimm, yeah
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# [21:31] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/c3f16d4c914b - Jim Mathies - merge backouts (bug 880885)
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# [21:31] <BenWa> Looks like https://build.mozilla.org/trychooser/ has been down for a few days
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# [21:32] <reuben> BenWa: WFM, redirects to http://trychooser.pub.build.mozilla.org/
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# [21:32] <BenWa> ok thanks
# [21:32] <sfink> I vaguely remember hearing that build.mozilla.org web services are going away
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# [21:32] <sfink> I don't know what that means
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# [21:33] <mcsmurf> going away, why?
# [21:33] <mcsmurf> oh, hm.
# [21:33] <sfink> dunno. Might just be internal server shuffling.
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# [21:33] <sfink> if I could only remember where I saw that...
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# [21:34] <mcsmurf> I mainly thought of the self-service build API now
# [21:34] <mcsmurf> if this one will stay
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# [21:36] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/870691ed6060 - Jim Mathies - Bug 880855 - Add support for sliding hover nav buttons part 2. r=fryn DONTBUILD
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# [21:38] <mattwoodrow> bent: ping
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# [21:40] <bent> mattwoodrow, pong
# [21:40] <mattwoodrow> bent: just a review ping for bug 868919
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# [21:41] <bent> mattwoodrow, since 7pm last night?! /me only has ten fingers...
# [21:41] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/2409890805a3 - Olli Pettay - Bug 884955 - Add a pref to override NS_EVENT_STARVATION_DELAY_HINT, r=avih
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# [21:42] <mattwoodrow> bent: Sorry, I wasn't sure what timezone you're in, was hoping to get it landed today
# [21:42] <froydnj> mattwoodrow: do you know enough about reftests to address dbaron's comment here: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=859339#c19?
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# [21:45] <mattwoodrow> froydnj: It should be fine.
# [21:45] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/231754e0dbcf - Ted Mielczarek - bug 860409 - Allow passing both an analog and digital value for buttons. r=smaug
# [21:45] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/3af6f05984ae - Ted Mielczarek - bug 851547 - Make Gamepad API preffable. r=smaug
# [21:46] <mattwoodrow> There's no special tests, we just run the suite using a GPU compositor on most platforms
# [21:46] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/7a159e3dad7b - Ted Mielczarek - bug 690935 - implement navigator.getGamepads(). r=smaug
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# [21:46] <mattwoodrow> and that requires your screen to be big enough to fit the 800x1000 window
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# [21:48] <froydnj> mattwoodrow: so the visibility of that window doesn't matter?
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# [21:49] <mattwoodrow> froydnj: Shouldn't do, no
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# [21:49] <froydnj> mattwoodrow: excellent, thanks
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# [21:55] <jaws> slow bugzilla is slow
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# [21:55] <Callek> jaws: fast bugzilla is fast
# [21:56] <Yoric> ttaubert: cool :)
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# [21:56] <Callek> jaws: related: https://blog.mozilla.org/it/2013/06/18/bugzilla-feeling-slow/
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# [21:56] <Yoric> geekboy|afk: How can I programmatically try to set a third-party cookie and decide whether it is accepted or rejected?
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# [21:58] <@ehsan> dougt: ping
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# [21:59] <Yoric> ehsan: Same question as geekboy|afk, by the way.
# [21:59] <dougt> hey ehsan
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# [21:59] <@ehsan> dougt: hey! are we working on prerendering?
# [21:59] <@ehsan> Yoric: write a test case?
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# [22:00] <@ehsan> Yoric: not sure what you're asking
# [22:00] <dougt> we are working on predictive network optimizations.
# [22:00] <dougt> one of them that we'll investigate, of course, is pre rendering.
# [22:00] <@ehsan> dougt: cool
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# [22:00] <@ehsan> dougt: is there a bug on file for that?
# [22:00] <dougt> yeah, it is magic
# [22:00] <dougt> nope
# [22:00] <dougt> we are just starting.
# [22:00] <@ehsan> that's something I'd really like to see
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# [22:00] <dougt> ehsan: have you seen in on mobile?
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# [22:00] <@ehsan> dougt: ok. I'm just looking for a way to be in the loop...
# [22:00] <dougt> chrome on the iPhone does it.
# [22:01] <dougt> it is F* awesome.
# [22:01] <@ehsan> I've never run chrome on iphone
# [22:01] <@ehsan> what about on android?
# [22:01] <dougt> they are going to kill us on mobile pretty good.
# [22:01] <@ehsan> dougt: it's freaking awesome even on desktop ;)
# [22:01] <dougt> between pretending, and spdy parodying...
# [22:01] <dougt> hala
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# [22:01] <dougt> proxying!
# [22:01] <@ehsan> spdy proxying?
# [22:01] <Yoric> ehsan: I'm looking for a way to request setting a third-party cookie and force the cookie to be accepted/rejected, for the sake of unit testing. Do you know if there is a simple way to do that?
# [22:02] <dougt> yeah, they are going to route http traffic through their data center and push it through a sydy pipe down to the browser
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# [22:02] <@ehsan> Yoric: yes, write a test case which loads an iframe from a third party domain twice
# [22:02] <dougt> the last couple hops are the most expenstive.
# [22:02] <@ehsan> dougt: *wow*
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# [22:02] <dougt> ehsan: it will be awesome for the user's experience.
# [22:02] <@ehsan> dougt: I'm sure the NSA would appreciate that
# [22:03] * dougt shrugs
# [22:03] <@ehsan> yeah
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# [22:03] <dougt> they'll get it at att or verizon
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# [22:03] <@ehsan> is that also iOS specific?
# [22:03] <dougt> if you want to build to protect against NSA snoping, you are going to build a niche product.
# [22:03] <dougt> ehsan: nope
# [22:03] * @ehsan needs to get an iphone to play with this stuff
# [22:03] <Yoric> ehsan: I was hoping to write a xpcshell test, but I'll move to mochi if necessary. Why twice, though?
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# [22:03] <@ehsan> dougt: like firefox? ;)
# [22:03] <dougt> like firefox.
# [22:04] <@bz> hmm
# [22:04] <@ehsan> Yoric: you want to load the first time to give it a chance to set the cookie, and a second time to test if it has been set
# [22:04] <dougt> i mean, don't kid yourself.
# [22:04] <@bz> So prerendering is fun
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# [22:04] <@ehsan> dougt: sigh :(
# [22:04] <@bz> The chrome approach to it was interesting when I talked to them
# [22:04] <@ehsan> bz: fun how?
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# [22:04] <@bz> well, so what happens to script running in the prerendered page?
# [22:04] <@ehsan> dougt: I see your viewpoint, don't get me wrong
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# [22:05] <@bz> They run it
# [22:05] <Yoric> ehsan: Ok, but how do I force the cookie to be accepted/rejected?
# [22:05] <@ehsan> bz: yeah, that's what I would expect
# [22:05] <@bz> when it does history.back().... they were not sure what happened
# [22:05] <dougt> bz: there are a bunch of cases where you have to cancel the render (like window.print)
# [22:05] <@bz> Right
# [22:05] <@bz> So you have to audit your entire API surface
# [22:05] <dougt> i think we need to investigate and see what can be done.
# [22:05] <@ehsan> Yoric: by messing with the pref I'd assume
# [22:05] <@bz> and find all those places
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# [22:05] <@bz> I agree we need to do something
# [22:05] <Yoric> ehsan: I'm working on bug 837326, btw.
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# [22:05] <dougt> bz: frontend is going to do this of their thumbnailing thing.
# [22:05] <@bz> I'm just saying that they can rely on their sandbox to save them....
# [22:05] <dougt> (unless they disable script… which would be entertaining)
# [22:05] <@ehsan> bz: we can just piggy back on the work done by chromium for a large part of it right?
# [22:06] <@bz> ehsan: can we?
# [22:06] <@bz> ehsan: it's not like they have a spec
# [22:06] <froydnj> we can switch to blink!
# [22:06] <dougt> a bit -- like what to watch out for.
# [22:06] <@bz> ehsan: And they care less about crashes and whatnot
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# [22:06] <@ehsan> bz: they do, it's their code :(
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# [22:06] <dougt> froydnj: switching to blink wouldn't help.
# [22:06] <@bz> ehsan: and also, they care less about doing the wrong thing than we do
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# [22:06] <@ehsan> bz: that's true
# [22:06] <@bz> ehsan: which may be a strength, of course.
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# [22:06] <@bz> ehsan: worse is better and all
# [22:06] <@ehsan> of course it is!
# [22:07] <@ehsan> yeah
# [22:07] <dougt> this isn't one of those things that has to work 100%
# [22:07] <froydnj> dougt: the code to do this lives someplace else? or just not open-source?
# [22:07] <Yoric> ehsan: Ok, so back to plan A: xpcshell test + messing with preferences. Thanks for the multi-tasking brainstorming :)
# [22:07] <@ehsan> froydnj: it's in chromium
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# [22:07] <@ehsan> froydnj: blink has nothing to do with it, afaik
# [22:08] <@bz> dougt: well
# [22:08] <@bz> dougt: it has to not screw up other things
# [22:08] <@ehsan> Yoric: using xpcshell is a bad idea
# [22:08] <Yoric> ehsan: Why?
# [22:08] <@ehsan> froydnj: I'd use a real browser, i.e., mochitest
# [22:08] <dougt> bz: obviously.
# [22:08] <dougt> :)
# [22:08] <@bz> dougt: is it obvious?
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# [22:08] <@bz> dougt: in Chrome it _does_ screw up other things pretty easily
# [22:08] <dougt> assuming that you'll probably review many of the patches… yes.
# [22:08] <@bz> dougt: last I tested
# [22:08] <dougt> bz: does it?
# [22:08] <@ehsan> bz: how?
# [22:08] <@bz> dougt: I would love to not have to review this stuff
# [22:08] <dougt> user impact?
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# [22:09] <@bz> well, like history.back() screwing up stuff
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# [22:09] <@bz> at various points it crashed, went back from the currently rendered page, etc
# [22:09] <Yoric> ehsan: I'm just unit-testing cookie rejection.
# [22:09] <@bz> (Note they may have fixed that one now)
# [22:09] <@ehsan> bz: well, those are bugs, not fundamental problems
# [22:09] <@bz> sure
# [22:09] <@ehsan> Yoric: yes, and you should use a mochitest IMO
# [22:09] <@bz> There's just huge surface for such bugs here
# [22:09] <@bz> you have to audit _every_ API to see if they're safe in a prerender
# [22:09] <@bz> or something
# [22:10] <@ehsan> Yoric: you don't subscribe to the idea of xpcshell==unit-test, do you? ;)
# [22:10] <@bz> Or just not worry and see what bugs get reported, of course.
# [22:10] <@bz> Anyway
# [22:10] <@ehsan> bz: I think we can do a mixture of both
# [22:10] <Yoric> ehsan: No, but I subscribe to the idea of xpcshell == easier to avoid screwing up other tests :)
# [22:10] <@ehsan> Yoric: that's going to end up not being true for this specific thing
# [22:10] <@bz> dougt: I got to actually do something other than reviews today
# [22:10] <Yoric> ehsan: What do you mean?
# [22:10] <@bz> dougt: it was incredible
# [22:11] <@ehsan> Yoric: specially because you won't actually be testing what matters, that is, what happens *in the browser*
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# [22:11] <@bz> but only for about 2 hours instead of 6.5....
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# [22:11] <dougt> bz: does that mean you have room in your review queue?
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# [22:11] <@ehsan> bz: I'm planning to throw some reviews at you hopefully soonish ;)
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# [22:11] <@ehsan> you're welcome in advance!
# [22:12] <nemo> So. I ran into a curious rendering flaw on OSX w/ radial gradient
# [22:12] <@bz> dougt: if you're willing to gamble that your review will not happen until two weeks from now....
# [22:12] <@bz> ehsan: likewise. ;)
# [22:12] <nemo> http://m8y.org/tmp/testcase348.xhtml - the shadow below the purple area is actually a radial gradient on a white area
# [22:12] <@gavin> dougt: I don't really understand why prerendeing is related to thumbnailing
# [22:12] <nemo> looks fine on Linux and Windows
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# [22:13] <nemo> looks like it was scaled up terribly blocking stutery bits of gradient on OSX
# [22:13] <Yoric> ehsan: Well, I'll try and finish a xpcshell test first, then I'll add a mochitest.
# [22:13] <@ehsan> gavin: dougt: I don't, fwiw!
# [22:13] <nemo> latest nightly
# [22:13] <dougt> heh
# [22:13] <@ehsan> Yoric: what's the value in testing this twice?
# [22:13] <nemo> the reason the curves are static instead of % btw is to avoid distorting based on browser window size
# [22:14] <nemo> wonder if it exposes some OSX prob w/ very large gradients
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# [22:14] <dougt> gavin: ask drew. there maybe some stuff we can share.
# [22:14] <dougt> gavin: don't let me hold you up.
# [22:14] <anton> BenWa: ping
# [22:15] <dougt> gavin: we aren't close to anything concrete.
# [22:15] <BenWa> anton: pong
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# [22:15] <@ehsan> gavin: btw sorry I've been silent on that thread, I feel like I have nothing to add to what I've said before...
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# [22:15] <anton> BenWa: the data that the SPS profiler generates. are there any docs about its data structure? say, what's responsiveness field and what's time?
# [22:16] <BenWa> anton: No, there's no documentation because so far there's only been cleopatra reading it
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# [22:16] <BenWa> anton: Note that the data gets transformed by the addon but it may not be relevant to you
# [22:16] <anton> BenWa: i'm mostly interested about top-level 'libs' property and properties of each frame: 'name', 'responsiveness' and 'time'. I'm documenting it for the profiler.js (actor implementation)
# [22:16] <@gavin> ehsan: no worries
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# [22:17] <BenWa> anton: The time fields are particularly interesting because right now we use nspr time but it will need to change most likely
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# [22:17] <BenWa> anton: libs is used for symbolication so if you don't do that then you wont need the field
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# [22:18] <ftigeot> hi. I have filled a bug report against nspr (adding two files). should I ask for a review or sth ?
# [22:18] <ftigeot> I don't see an obvious way to ask for a review on non-patch files
# [22:18] <Yoric> ehsan: First test is easy to write and will help me find bugs. Second test will take more time to write and will help find regressions.
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# [22:19] <BenWa> anton: the name field is very vague. It's an address, something passed it from JS which we parse, otherwise a string that can be displayed correctly coming from the profiler_label
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# [22:19] <@ehsan> Yoric: if by first test you mean the xpcshell test, then you're wrong ;)
# [22:19] <nalexander> ftigeot: you could ask for needsinfo.
# [22:19] <@ehsan> it's actually harder
# [22:19] <@ehsan> cause you need to mess with the cookie API etc
# [22:19] <@ehsan> versus just adding a ^headers^ file with a Set-Cookie header in it :)
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# [22:20] <ftigeot> nalexander: how could I do that ?
# [22:20] <Yoric> ehsan: For third-party cookies? I'm sure it's a little more complicated than that.
# [22:20] <Yoric> Anyway, back to ciding.
# [22:20] <@ehsan> ok!
# [22:20] <reuben> ftigeot: why is it not a patch?
# [22:20] <nalexander> ftigeot: it's just a Bugzilla option, look at the bottom of the page.
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# [22:21] <ftigeot> reuben: these are complete new files
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# [22:21] <anton> BenWa: thanks! what about responsiveness? e.g. 0.000298 is out of what range? 0..1 with 1 being unresponsive at all?
# [22:21] <nemo> hum. lemme make a simpler testcase I guess...
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# [22:21] <BenWa> anton: I think it's in millisecond
# [22:21] <reuben> ftigeot: uh… right. you can create patches for new files just like you do for other changes
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# [22:22] <@dbaron> is bugzilla down?
# [22:22] <ftigeot> nalexander: I really don't see anything obvious
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# [22:23] <reuben> ftigeot: check out https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Mercurial_FAQ#How_can_I_generate_a_patch_for_somebody_else_to_check-in_for_me.3F
# [22:23] <ftigeot> reuben: I figured adding complete files was simpler...
# [22:23] <anton> BenWa: oh. so if get samples every millisecond (i think that's the current interval) what does 0.000298 means? sorry for a dumb question :)
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# [22:23] <mcsmurf> dbaron: looks down to me, too
# [22:23] <nalexander> ftigeot: no, complete files are not easier.
# [22:23] <mcsmurf> dbaron: or at least very slow
# [22:23] <@dbaron> very slow
# [22:23] <@dbaron> the bug eventually loaded for me
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# [22:23] <mcsmurf> yeah, bit slow
# [22:24] <BenWa> anton: well if you're idle the number will be really low
# [22:24] <BenWa> anton: It could be in milliseconds however
# [22:24] <BenWa> err normal seconds
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# [22:25] <ftigeot> nalexander, reuben: ok, I'll try to create a git patch. is there a nspr git repo somewhere ? I only saw a hg version
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# [22:25] <reuben> ftigeot: if you have an hg clone already, why not create the patch there?
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# [22:26] <ftigeot> reuben: the doc said "in git style"
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# [22:27] <reuben> ftigeot: yea, that's what the |[diff] git = 1| option does
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# [22:27] <@ted> anton: you're looking at the Tp5 responsiveness results?
# [22:27] <reuben> i.e. see the rest of that section in the doc
# [22:27] <@ted> or just profiler data?
# [22:27] <anton> ted: just profiler data
# [22:28] <anton> ted: trying to document that before i start rewriting devtools profiler ui
# [22:28] <@ted> ah
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# [22:30] <ftigeot> grmbl can't use qnew
# [22:31] <@ted> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/tools/profiler/platform.cpp#543
# [22:31] <@ted> it's milliseconds
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# [22:32] <@ted> BenWa: hrm, the profiler doesn't technically measure that accurately
# [22:32] <BenWa> ted: no?
# [22:32] <@ted> (in the default case where we're responsive)
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# [22:32] <@ted> but that's probably not terribly important
# [22:32] <@ted> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/toolkit/xre/EventTracer.cpp#130
# [22:32] <@ted> there's an optional sleep at the end of the loop if the event is serviced quickly and we have time left between sampling intervals
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# [22:33] <@ted> the default sampling interval is only 10ms
# [22:33] <@ted> so it probably doesn't make much difference
# [22:33] <BenWa> ted: Well the average event lag will be ~10ms then
# [22:33] <@ted> yeah
# [22:33] <BenWa> other then that the sample colors for 10ms is dark black so it's not noticable. Good to know
# [22:34] <BenWa> I plan on adding data about when we swap frames. I think we will move towards focusing more on missed frames then input lag
# [22:34] <BenWa> It easier to argue about not missing a frame then responding to events every 15ms
# [22:34] <@ted> heh
# [22:34] <@ted> well they're both important
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# [22:35] <@ted> but most of the laggy shit i see in profiles is way beyond 15ms anyway
# [22:35] <BenWa> Agreed. I will leave resp. data
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# [22:35] <@ted> "hey why did my browser hang for 3 seconds"
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# [22:35] <BenWa> Yes exactly and the data we collect here makes it clearly red
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# [22:35] <BenWa> ted: Although sometimes I've noticed that the browser is lagging but we seem to get a tracer event. Might just be because we got a partial event loop flush
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# [22:36] <@ted> interesting, yeah
# [22:36] <BenWa> The grap goes from black-red-black-red but the UI is locked
# [22:36] <@ted> right, something eating up lots of cycles, but letting up just enough to sneak in tracer events
# [22:37] <@ted> kinda hard, if you service the event loop you're not really completely unresponsive
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# [22:37] <BenWa> It gave me the impression that we got through several tracer event but no frames which shouldn't be if we're keeping things in the queue ordered
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# [22:38] <@ted> what queue?
# [22:38] <@ted> i don't claim to know the specifics of how our event loops work
# [22:38] <BenWa> the event loop
# [22:38] <@ted> the tracer events are just fired into the native event loop
# [22:39] <BenWa> Right. Who knows since we have multiple event loop in practice
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# [22:39] <MrDHat> How do I add multiple attachements in Bugzilla?
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# [22:40] <BenWa> MrDHat: One at a time =\
# [22:40] <nemo> http://m8y.org/tmp/testcase351.xhtml - reduced testcase of the ugly radial gradient rendering under OSX
# [22:41] <nemo> (compared to Linux/Windows)
# [22:41] <MrDHat> BenWa: I've got 3 screenshots and I don't want to clutter the comments section, isn't it possible to add them in one go?
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# [22:42] <@ted> MrDHat: nope
# [22:42] <jhammel> .zip :)
# [22:42] <ftigeot> reuben: I'm sorry but I can't get my hg version to generate a git style patch. would hg log -pr output be acceptable ?
# [22:42] <MrDHat> :/
# [22:43] <BenWa> MrDHat: IMO I wouldn't zip them if you want people to look at them. Don't worry about the comment/email spam if what your contributing is useful
# [22:43] <reuben> ftigeot: |hg diff --git -p -U 8| doesn't work?
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# [22:45] <anton> ted: do you know what sResponsivenessLoc is in http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/tools/profiler/platform.cpp#533 ?
# [22:45] <MrDHat> BenWa: I was thinking of uploading a zip and poiting links to the hosted images as well, should that work?
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# [22:46] <ftigeot> reuben: it did. many thanks!
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# [22:46] <MrDHat> *pointing
# [22:46] <@ted> anton: i think it's just a ring buffer
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# [22:46] <@ted> actually no
# [22:46] <@ted> i don't
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# [22:46] <@ted> hah
# [22:46] <anton> :)
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# [22:47] <@ted> actually it looks like a really weirdly implemented ring buffer
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# [22:47] <@ted> in that when it overflows it shifts all the data back by one space
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# [22:48] <@ted> that's all BenWa's code, blame him
# [22:48] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/069b2adf589e - Ehsan Akhgari - Bug 752034 - Use the Windows SDK when building with Clang on Windows; r=ted
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# [22:48] <karolyi> ted: just wanted to report that is successfully hacked the skip-cert-error in a xulrunner profile, thank you for your help :)
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# [22:49] <karolyi> s/is/i/g
# [22:49] <@ted> np
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# [22:49] <@ted> glad that worked
# [22:49] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/3cb61a7d5746 - Bas Schouten - Bug 878032 - Part 2: Factor out partial bitmap uploading and scaling. r=jrmuizel
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# [22:50] <anton> ted: yeah i saw the shifting and got confused
# [22:50] <BenWa> anton: ted: That code is used the draw the graph. It's not even a ring buffer. It just shifts everything over to append the last sample lol. It's bad but easy to get right
# [22:51] <BenWa> I plan on removing that code
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# [22:55] <Callek> should I be expecting graphics painting issues (gpu accel) windows 7 -- buildid 23.0a2 (2013-05-24) ---- lots of black regions, on content scroll and in chrome (e.g. urlbar on new tab)
# [22:55] <Callek> ----or am I likely just near OOM level
# [22:55] <Callek> ----or should I realize that I need to restart
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# [22:55] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/8ed0409f36c2 - Ehsan Akhgari - Bug 674927 - Part 2: Cleanup the async spellcheck stuff when the editor cleans up mozInlineSpellChecker; r=adw
# [22:55] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/f26888376433 - Aryeh Gregor - Bug 674927 - Part 3: Make the spellcheck attribute work correctly for contenteditable; r=ehsan
# [22:55] <Bas> Callek: Do you know if all of mozilla-central's users are on the Windows 8 SDK yet?
# [22:56] <Bas> I want to introduce a dependency but I don't want to break anyone :p
# [22:56] <Callek> Bas: seamonkey isn't
# [22:56] <Callek> Bas: at least I'm pretty sure its not
# [22:56] <Bas> Ugh :(
# [22:56] <Bas> Dammit
# [22:56] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/b1636ba097f9 - Terrence Cole - Bug 884410 - Handlify the JS_EnumerateStandardClasses interface; r=jonco
# [22:56] <mcsmurf> another new dependency? hm..
# [22:56] <Callek> Bas: is it possible to introduce the dep conditional on win8 or with a configure option, or something
# [22:56] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/b07c97f12e34 - Terrence Cole - Bug 884410 - Handlify the JS_ResolveStandardClass interface; r=jonco
# [22:56] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/c55d7332c83a - Terrence Cole - Bug 884410 - Handlify the JS_TransplantObject interfaces; r=jonco
# [22:56] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/95952d257a56 - Terrence Cole - Bug 884410 - Remove JS_EnumerateResolvedStandardClasses; r=Waldo sr=luke
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# [22:57] <Bas> Callek: Of course, it just sucks and introduces messy ifdefs in a bunch of places.
# [22:57] <@dolske> Bas: seamonkey should not be a blocker.
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# [22:57] <Callek> Bas: I can own making us use it sooner, but so far we haven't and just lost a WHOLE cycle on no build machines (so we don't have a Gecko 21 release and are an extra week behind Gecko 22)
# [22:57] <Callek> dolske: indeed
# [22:57] <Bas> dolske: Okay, any idea who has the final call on whether or not m-c can have a unconditional dependency on the Win8 SDK?
# [22:57] <Callek> Bas: basically, seamonkey is not a hard-blocker, but it would be nice if there is an easy way to avoid breaking us, even if it means we're in a slightly non-standard config for a bit
# [22:57] <Bas> I hate #ifdef with a passion :)
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# [22:58] <jhammel> Bas: #define it away
# [22:58] <jhammel> oh, wait
# [22:58] <Bas> Callek: Meh, I'd hate for Seamonkey and m-c to work with different rendering engines.
# [22:58] <Bas> It'll be begging for trouble :)
# [22:58] <Callek> Bas: especially if we can avoid the switch at the very end of a gecko trunk cycle!
# [22:58] <mcsmurf> make sure people know about the new win8 dependency
# [22:58] <@dolske> Bas: good question. I suppose one one of the build peers.
# [22:58] <mcsmurf> in time
# [22:58] <Callek> basically "SeaMonkey is not a blocker, but useful to be given a few week heads up on dependancies like this"
# [22:58] <mcsmurf> guess a few people need to update their local build tools
# [22:59] <Callek> Bas: and it will be a harder switch for SeaMonkey if win2k3 can't install the win8 sdk, fwiw
# [22:59] <Bas> mcsmurf: Yeah, latest moz-build is all up to date.
# [22:59] <Callek> Bas: moz-build is up to date, but it doesn't ship win8 sdk
# [22:59] <@gavin> "whether or not m-c can have a unconditional dependency on the Win8 SDK" seems like something that needs broader concensus
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# [22:59] <Callek> gavin++
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# [23:00] <mcsmurf> "The installation of the Windows SDK is supported on the following operating systems: Windows 8 Windows Server 2012 Windows 7 Windows Server 2008 R2"
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# [23:00] <mcsmurf> (Windows 8 SDK)
# [23:00] <Bas> gavin: I'm fine with that as well. Our tendency to lag behind on SDKs is an annoyance, but it is something everyone has gotten used to :)
# [23:00] * Callek gives seamonkey as a data point with a "would be nice to have at the least a few weeks of data to get our ducks in a row"
# [23:00] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/8f1f12f449dc - Ehsan Akhgari - Bug 674927 - Part 4: Add a reftest which was removed by mistake
# [23:00] <Bas> I'll #ifdef away (and hope I do it right).
# [23:00] <Callek> mcsmurf: ahh boo that means we *can't* install win8 SDK on the systems we have now
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# [23:00] <Callek> we'd haev to reimage and bringup new ones from scratch
# [23:00] <mcsmurf> oh boy
# [23:01] <Bas> mcsmurf: To be fare it's kind of ridiculous we're still running Win2K3 build machines :P But I'll put it behind a #ifdef as not to cause you trouble.
# [23:01] <nemo> added -webkit- prefix Safari also renders it incorrectly, but not quite the same
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# [23:01] <Callek> Bas: I don't disagree, but yea its hard to get traction on the work that can't be done by the seamonkey volunteers
# [23:01] <Callek> nevermind the time required for said volunteer work
# [23:02] <Callek> and there is a "# of machines available" problem for seamonkey as well
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# [23:02] <mcsmurf> we'll find some solution if one day Win8 SDK is required
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# [23:03] <Callek> mcsmurf: you mean like desupport seamonkey on windows?
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# [23:03] <mcsmurf> erm :P
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# [23:03] <Bas> mcsmurf: That's not really the right attitude, first of all newer SDKs contain bugfixes and performance improvements, more importantly having #ifdef away using new functionality causes a hassle and makes people revert to using older, worse, APIs.
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# [23:04] <JonathanS> When plugin.expose_full_path is gone, there is no need to have chrome access for about:plugins. It could be in standalone html file with a link from menu.
# [23:04] <mcsmurf> ok, possible, I'm not that into how the SDKs differ
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# [23:04] <mcsmurf> but to me it seems our build requirements change faster and faster
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# [23:04] <mcsmurf> compared to the past
# [23:04] <@bsmedberg> JonathanS: I don't understand what you just said
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# [23:05] <JonathanS> bsmedberg Bug 883671 Is there is a reason to do about:plugins without doing it in standalone html?
# [23:06] <@bsmedberg> what does "standalone HTML" mean?
# [23:06] <Bas> Looks like we even default to targetting WINSDK_VER 601 and not 602.
# [23:06] <@bsmedberg> JonathanS: we removed expose_full_path which means that unprivileged content can't see the information any more
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# [23:07] <JonathanS> bsmedberg, single html file can get all installed plugins list.
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# [23:07] <@bsmedberg> how?
# [23:07] <JonathanS> navigator property?
# [23:07] <@khuey> er
# [23:07] <@khuey> !seen firebot?
# [23:07] <Yoric> ehsan: Would you be available to review my aforementioned patch? It's kind of urgent.
# [23:08] <@khuey> how am I supposed to update my uuids now?
# [23:08] <@ehsan> sure
# [23:08] <@ehsan> khuey: uuidgen
# [23:08] <nemo> dbaron: ah. I wasn't sure of component.
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# [23:08] <@ehsan> http://www.uuidgen.com/
# [23:08] <dholbert> khuey, just use your social security number -- that should be pretty unique
# [23:08] <nemo> graphics. shall remember.
# [23:08] <@khuey> dholbert++
# [23:08] <@ehsan> dholbert++
# [23:08] <dholbert> \o/
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# [23:09] <@ehsan> dholbert: got your karma fix for the day ;)
# [23:09] <@dbaron> khuey, use the 'uuidgen' command
# [23:09] <dholbert> now I don't feel so bad about punching that baby
# [23:09] <philor> surely there's a mach uuid?
# [23:09] <@khuey> gps: ^
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# [23:09] <@ehsan> god
# [23:09] <@ehsan> mach is turning into emacs sooo quickly :(
# [23:10] <gps> bug 855160
# [23:10] <froydnj> not a bad thing
# [23:10] <philor> nah, still can't do matrix transforms
# [23:10] <@bsmedberg> ehsan: s/:(/:)]
# [23:10] <@ehsan> froydnj: depends who you ask!
# [23:10] <jgilbert> ehsan: at least I can still ^C out easily :P
# [23:10] <gps> python; import uuid; uuid.uuid1()
# [23:10] <@ehsan> bsmedberg: I don't even know what that means, and I don't *want* to know ;)
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# [23:11] <froydnj> ehsan: yeah, but those naysayers are Wrong :)
# [23:11] <@ehsan> froydnj: s/Wrong/RIGHT/
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# [23:11] <froydnj> "...on the next episode of Editor Wars...!"
# [23:12] <@ehsan> froydnj: I'm the Editor module owner, so this is totally my call
# [23:12] <froydnj> ehsan++
# [23:12] <@khuey> ha
# [23:13] * jld gets distracted by history while playing the annotate-to-find-reviewers game, and...
# [23:14] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/f189d72156e4 - Chris Peterson - Bug 880245 - Move Android's .jsm modules from Makefile.in to moz.build. r=joey
# [23:14] <jld> ...discovers bug 860029. I'm impressed that the tree got burnt *twice* by comment changes.
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# [23:16] <@khuey> nsTArray is infallible now right?
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# [23:17] <ally> Has anyone seen this error recently on startup? "Could not find Mozilla runtime" It happened on my local build of m-c today
# [23:17] <@ehsan> khuey: yeah, that surprised me a while ago too
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# [23:18] <nemo> khuey: perl -e 'use UUID;UUID::generate($x);UUID::unparse($x,$z);print $z'
# [23:18] <@khuey> what is perl?
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# [23:19] <philor> imPractical Extraction fRom Lots of syntax
# [23:19] <nemo> that's... pretty tortured
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# [23:20] <philor> that's why it fits, just like Perl's users!
# [23:20] <nemo> philor: at least it isn't python
# [23:21] <philor> darn right - the Python version was so short and simple, just *anybody* could remember it
# [23:21] <NeilAway> Bas: how can SDKs contain bugfixes?
# [23:21] <Bas> NeilAway: Inline code.
# [23:22] <Bas> NeilAway: There's quite a bit of it.
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# [23:23] <NeilAway> JonathanS: no, plugin.expose_full_path is gone because there is chrome access for about:plugins
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# [23:24] <NeilAway> Bas: bah, I guess Windows 3.1 was the last version where the SDK was just a list of exported functions and defined constants
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# [23:25] <Bas> NeilAway: Quite likely! :)
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# [23:25] <NeilAway> (you could target 3.1 without including windows.h for instance)
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# [23:25] <NeilAway> (or linking to any lib files)
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# [23:26] <Bas> NeilAway: I had to avoid depending on the Win8 SDK at some point and manually define the vtable of a simple class I needed to access on Windows 8 systems. It was a nightmare, a true, nightmare.
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# [23:27] <Bas> NeilAway: This was the result: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/file/d2a7cfa34154/gfx/2d/moz-d2d1-1.h
# [23:27] <nemo> head -c 100 /dev/urandom | md5sum | sed 's/$........$$....$$....$$....$$............$/\1-\2-\3-\4-\5/' # yes, I think dots make it more readable
# [23:28] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/358362de102b - Ehsan Akhgari - Bug 882770 - Do not use the MSVC driver commands for clang on Windows; r=ted
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# [23:28] <philor> ehsan: and you win the prize for First One To Make Me Log In To treestatus Today
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# [23:29] <philor> oh, no you don't, give that back
# [23:29] <@ehsan> philor: you should blame Bas
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# [23:30] <philor> indeed
# [23:30] <Bas> It is my fault!
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# [23:31] <@ehsan> Bas: are you backing out or should I?
# [23:31] <NeilAway> Bas: hey, I don't suppose you know why my font metrics are different if I force directwrite fonts?
# [23:31] <joe> bas run everyone noticed you
# [23:32] <mcsmurf> "Windows"
# [23:32] <Bas> ehsan: I'll probably just push the fix. Unless you get some sort of satisfaction from backing it out :)
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# [23:32] <Bas> If you do, by all means feel free :p
# [23:32] <@ehsan> Bas: well if you promise that it will fix it then that's fine
# [23:32] <joe> i want to push hurry hurry hurry
# [23:32] <@ehsan> but keeping the tree closed for hours to find out is not great
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# [23:32] <Bas> ehsan: It won't take hours to add an include ;)
# [23:32] <@ehsan> Bas: presumably you didn't hit this in your local builds?
# [23:33] <@ehsan> Bas: it will to find out whether it worked
# [23:33] <@ehsan> but I don't care much
# [23:33] <Bas> ehsan: I didn't, not initially at least. I wonder if I made some last minute include changes to create a cleaner include graph that borked it.
# [23:33] <@ehsan> I don't have anything else to push for now
# [23:33] <@ehsan> Bas: convince joe ;)
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# [23:34] <joe> back 'im out boys
# [23:34] <@ehsan> ok!
# [23:34] <Bas> :s
# [23:34] <Bas> Well, sure then. I feel more like playing a video game than adding an include anyway.
# [23:35] <@ehsan> lol
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# [23:35] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/72a95da7099f - Gary Kwong - Backout 29e698ae2b5c for causing orange in a CLOSED TREE.
# [23:35] <philor> see? some people just take their orange and go!
# [23:36] <@ehsan> joe: done
# [23:36] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/5b3196ad66f4 - Ehsan Akhgari - Backed out 2 changesets (bug 878032) because of Windows build bustage
# [23:36] <Bas> Jesus, you backed both out?
# [23:36] <Bas> ffs.
# [23:37] <@ehsan> Bas: pardon?
# [23:37] <Bas> Nrver mind.
# [23:37] <Bas> *never
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# [23:38] <@ehsan> Bas: you didn't ask me to back out one of the patches did you?
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# [23:38] <Bas> I did not.
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# [23:38] <@ehsan> I didn't realize that they're not interdependent, since they were patches to the same bug
# [23:38] <Bas> It's not your fault, it's the lack of a real build system :)
# [23:38] <@ehsan> sorry if that was not correct
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# [23:39] <Bas> ehsan: No, you're absolutely right to back both out :p
# [23:39] <@ehsan> phew :)
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# [23:39] <Bas> ehsan: I'm just never going to do work on mozilla-central again. I had forgotten how much of a nightmare it is.
# [23:39] <Bas> And how wonderful my life was for a couple of weeks.
# [23:40] <@ehsan> Bas: where do you usually work?
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# [23:40] <Bas> ehsan: My stand-alone Moz2D repository :)
# [23:40] <dholbert> Bas, while you're fixing it, I think the commit message had two typos in "simle none-RenderTarget" -- s/simle/simple/, s/none/non/ (I think?)
# [23:40] <@ehsan> heh, yeah. well, big software is hard ;)
# [23:40] <Bas> ehsan: Not if you know the word componetize :p
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# [23:40] <Bas> Which is probably not in the dictionary :)
# [23:41] <Bas> But we all know what it means.
# [23:41] <@ehsan> Bas: that works very well in theory, but poorly in practice, as we've learned in Gecko ;)
# [23:41] <@ehsan> remember the pre-libxul days?
# [23:41] <Bas> ehsan: I haven't seen us ever try :p
# [23:41] <@ehsan> oh we did
# [23:41] <Bas> ehsan: Yes, it was much nicer working on m-c :P
# [23:41] <@ehsan> and failed
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# [23:41] <Bas> Well, trunk, in those days I suppose :)
# [23:41] <@ehsan> !
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# [23:41] <@ehsan> ok, I guess :)
# [23:41] <Bas> I'm sure it had some benefit, but my job got strictly worse after we got libxul :)
# [23:42] <Bas> I used to just make inside gfx, and everything was happy and good.
# [23:42] <@ehsan> well things might be nice now in the azure fantasy world, we'll see how things look in 5 years ;)
# [23:42] <Bas> I knew if my shit built with a fairly high degree of certainty (there were already too many interdependency), and it took less than 2 minutes :p
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# [23:43] <@ehsan> Bas: you're just complaining about our build system... and many people feel the same
# [23:43] <philor> joe: so now you face a problem, push now, in the first slot after a reopening, wen you're certain to fail something and get backed out, or wait for the second slot and risk that more bustage will show up before there is a second slot
# [23:43] <Bas> ehsan: I'm also complaining about one big binary blob called xul.dll :p
# [23:43] <joe> philor: maybe I'll just throw away my patches and start a horse farm
# [23:43] <Bas> And every part of our tree having dependencies on every other part.
# [23:43] <Bas> Dragging in headers left and right like mad.
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# [23:43] <@ehsan> philor++
# [23:44] <@ehsan> Bas: yeah, well I hear you
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# [23:44] <@ehsan> like I said, big software is hard ;)
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# [23:44] <Bas> ehsan: Qt seems to do a lot better than we do :P (plenty of big projects don't to be sure)
# [23:45] <Bas> It's always a delight to work on/build Qt even though in lines of code I think they're in the same ballpark as mozilla or more (not 100% sure)
# [23:45] <@ehsan> I have no experience with Qt so I wouldn't know
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# [23:46] <Bas> ehsan: They've done an excellent job (and introduced lots of smart mechanisms), to componetize.
# [23:46] <@ehsan> Bas: out of curiosity, what do they do about name visibility?
# [23:46] <Bas> ehsan: I'm sorry, by itself I'm not sure what you mean by 'name visibility' :)
# [23:46] * joe rolls the dice
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# [23:47] <@ehsan> Bas: like, function f in X.dll calling function g in Y.dll
# [23:47] <@ehsan> the name g should be exported from Y.dll somehow
# [23:47] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/f5f8e2d6d991 - Joe Drew - Bug 867774 - Tests for animated images with different disposal and blend modes. r=seth
# [23:47] <Bas> ehsan: Yes, yes, public API functions are exported?
# [23:47] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/7158e859e28c - Joe Drew - Bug 867774 - Create a FrameBlender class that holds on to an image's frames and can blend frames together on demand (while leaving the decision as to which frames to external
# [23:47] <firebot> users). r=seth
# [23:47] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/f0380ec657f8 - Joe Drew - Bug 867774 - Make RasterImage's frame blending helper functions threadsafe. r=jrmuizel
# [23:47] <@ehsan> Bas: oh, "public APIs". that's what I thought :)
# [23:48] <Bas> ehsan: Right, each component defines a well documented, external API.
# [23:48] <Bas> That's how componetizing works :p
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# [23:48] <@ehsan> yes, ok, then I shall maintain my previous position ;)
# [23:49] <Bas> Even if you're -not- splitting up into deparate DLLs that's a -really good- thing to do which we are -really bad- at :p
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# [23:49] <@ehsan> if you have infinite time and resources, sure
# [23:49] <@ehsan> but sometimes pragmatism wins
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# [23:49] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/6f3461e66694 - Jonathan Wilde - Bug 811392 - Work - Choose better background colors for location text in the Firefox app bar
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# [23:49] <lsblakk> gavin: can you weigh in on bug 861090 ? wondering how much you think this is a priority
# [23:49] <Bas> ehsan: In the end, in these cases short-term pragmatism just leads to enormous resource wastage in the future.
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# [23:50] <Bas> Sometimes you can afford to accumulate technical debt like that, in the long run it's not a viable strategy.
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# [23:50] <@ehsan> I don't know, I think we're doing fine in that regard today, we have many more important things to worry about
# [23:50] <Bas> ehsan: Wow, I don't think we're doing fine at all :P
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# [23:50] <@ehsan> ok!
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# [23:52] <@gavin> lsblakk: looking
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# [23:54] <@gavin> lsblakk: commented, I don't think we should track it
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# [23:55] <lsblakk> gavin: cool, that fits with my thoughts on it too
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