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  1. # Session Start: Tue Jun 25 00:00:00 2013
  2. # Session Ident: #developers
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  6. # [00:02] <@roc> great, I updated Fedora yesterday and now Skype coredumps
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  8. # [00:03] <akeybl> hi jwatt
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  11. # [00:05] <sfink> skype has always coredumped on my Fedora machine. I use my galaxy tab for all videoconferencing, since vidyo core dumps for me too. :(
  12. # [00:05] <sfink> I suppose I should try to figure that out someday
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  80. # [00:34] <@ehsan> rillian: green on the try push!
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  87. # [00:40] <rillian> ehsan: huzzah! I was worried because I wasn't seeing the smil timeouts on other jobs
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  90. # [00:40] <@ehsan> yeah, those were probably intermittent failures
  91. # [00:40] <mmc|laptop> is it normal to get red bg builds on try? i notice they don't even show up on inbound
  92. # [00:41] <rillian> ehsan: do you want to r+ the attachment?
  93. # [00:41] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/398f67b7d629 - Masatoshi Kimura - Bug 874669 - Remove legacy event type constants. r=smaug
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  95. # [00:41] <@ehsan> rillian: sure, done
  96. # [00:42] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/0e276ed2d7c3 - Edwin Flores - Bug 884651 - Stop gstreamer from trying to sync video and audio for us r=cpearce
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  101. # [00:44] <rillian> grrr
  102. # [00:44] <edwin> mmc|laptop: Yeah, for some reason they don't show up on tbpl. But if you click the "Self-serve Build API" link it'll still show up.
  103. # [00:44] <edwin> mmc|laptop: And philor will still kill you :)
  104. # [00:44] <mmc|laptop> thanks edwin
  105. # [00:45] <philor> add &showall=1 to the tbpl URL
  106. # [00:45] <rillian> how do I fix 'working directory not at head'?
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  109. # [00:45] <mmc|laptop> but i really don't get it -- i am getting GAIA_DEV_PIXELS_PER_PX not defined, which i am no where near touching
  110. # [00:45] <philor> amusingly, they are hidden because gaia pushes can break them even though they can't any more, and device builds are not hidden even though gaia push can break them still
  111. # [00:45] <mmc|laptop> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=0fadf956903a
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  114. # [00:46] <philor> mmc|laptop: rebase, your parent revision is ancient
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  117. # [00:46] <mmc|laptop> thanks philor
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  120. # [00:47] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/b0303f19d6fe - Ralph Giles - Bug 886168 - Turn on webaudio tests on B2G. r=ehsan
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  125. # [00:49] <philor> tip is a dangerous thing to use
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  129. # [00:52] <philor> inbound's tip will probably always be default, but if you get in the habit of using tip, you'll wind up doing an hg up -r tip on beta and push to a relbranch
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  136. # [00:58] <lucy> Hi, I want to know how Firefox implement the web prefetching. Could any one refer to me where I should look for the source code? Thanks in advance
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  144. # [01:06] <bbrittain> jld: I've sorta got perf working. It has a "corrupt stack" in the profile... any ideas
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  149. # [01:12] <nemo> http://blogs.computerworld.com/encryption/22366/can-nsa-see-through-encrypted-web-pages-maybe-so
  150. # [01:12] <nemo> Huh. I went to key details and
  151. # [01:13] <gps> nemo: I think someone filed a feature request for that
  152. # [01:13] <nemo> ah. cool
  153. # [01:13] <gps> I mean NeilAway
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  155. # [01:13] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/1aa1a42a471f - Dan Gohman - Bug 885169 - Reverse the default register allocation order so that low registers like eax on x86/x64 are preferred over high registers. r=h4writer
  156. # [01:13] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/bf03279e2b50 - Dan Gohman - Bug 885169 - Add an explicit backwards-traversing register set iterator, so that code which needs to iterate in a specific order can ask for it explicitly. r=h4writer
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  158. # [01:14] <jld> bbrittain: Might need CONFIG_PROFILING too? I think I need to diff the keon and peak configs and see what else is changed....
  159. # [01:15] <NeilAway> gps: ah, ok
  160. # [01:15] <bbrittain> jld: already enabled that one
  161. # [01:16] <jld> bbrittain: So it's showing "Corrupt Stack" for everything?
  162. # [01:16] <bbrittain> jld: no, just a few things
  163. # [01:16] <bbrittain> jld, you also need CONFIG_KALLSYMS
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  165. # [01:17] <jld> Agh. KALLSYMS. Right. More things I didn't expect would be turned off.
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  167. # [01:18] <@roc> blood pressure: RISING
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  169. # [01:20] <jld> (I mean I can understand why you'd turn off everything you're not using, for a case like this where it wouldn't even be useful for support, and you're squeezed for memory, but it seems suboptimal for something users are somewhat encouraged to hack.)
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  180. # [01:24] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/5ccd0b486a97 - Dan Gohman - Bug 883570 - Basic dumping utilities for MBasicBlock and MIRGraph r=dvander
  181. # [01:24] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/93622f94362c - Dan Gohman - Bug 883570 - Improve printing for control and compare instructions. r=dvander
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  193. # [01:31] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/ef21d8d6f037 - Dan Gohman - Bug 875912 - Skip a bitwise or of zero. r=dvander
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  204. # [01:35] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/8f45d23330a9 - Dan Gohman - Bug 885176 - Style nits: add braces to if statements with multi-line conditions. r=sstangl
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  224. # [01:47] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/ae51db07aed4 - Nathan Froyd - Bug 857076: fix various build warnings in security/manager/ssl/src/, r=bsmith
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  226. # [01:48] <bbrittain> jld: perf is usable now, but when you figure out all of the kernel options it would be great if you could ping me
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  231. # [01:50] <philor> for a day when we haven't closed at all, that's one miserable tree
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  234. # [01:52] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/7e9c5b8d445b - Phil Ringnalda - Merge m-c to m-i
  235. # [01:52] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/3cb980ee5440 - Tim Taubert - Bug 886376 - Reduce interval between swapping in a preloaded newtab page and preloading the next one; r=avih
  236. # [01:52] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/5c825170fd14 - Alex Keybl - Added tag FIREFOX_AURORA_24_BASE for changeset 8d3810543edc
  237. # [01:52] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/c87a950e1a09 - Alex Keybl - Merging in version bump NO BUG
  238. # [01:52] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/8d3810543edc - Tim Taubert - merge m-c to fx-team
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  241. # [01:55] <jld> bbrittain: So, turns out there are a bunch of changes, starting with them being different kernel versions: https://gist.github.com/jld/5854799
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  243. # [01:55] <bbrittain> jld: well... that's not cool :P
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  245. # [01:57] <@dbaron> philor, speaking of miserable trees... you should see the tree in my apartment after I wasn't home for 4 weeks (and thus wasn't watering it) :-P
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  251. # [01:59] <philor> dbaron: its leaves look like https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Maple, or like https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Gum ?
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  278. # [02:17] <philor> got that just under the wire
  279. # [02:17] <philor> so, what broke b2g tests, sunfish or something else?
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  282. # [02:18] * sunfish looks
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  285. # [02:20] <philor> and did emk need to clobber, or need to not break Windows?
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  291. # [02:23] <sunfish> what does "marionette.errors.InvalidResponseException: Could not successfully complete transport of message to Gecko, socket closed?" mean?
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  294. # [02:23] <philor> it means something vaguely like "b2g didn't start" I think
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  296. # [02:24] <sunfish> so if my patch changes something in the JS interpreter, could it cause that?
  297. # [02:24] <philor> or crashed on startup
  298. # [02:25] <philor> if it changes it to make b2g crash on startup, sure could
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  303. # [02:28] <sunfish> it's probably my patch then :-/. reverting.
  304. # [02:28] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/c2ea60e04312 - Phil Ringnalda - Back out 398f67b7d629 (bug 874669) for mochitest-1 failures
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  333. # [02:52] <philor> sunfish: did your backout bounce off the closed tree hook?
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  335. # [02:52] <philor> IT: can't we have a bloody usable working ftp.m.o?
  336. # [02:52] <nthomas> Mossop: ping
  337. # [02:52] <sunfish> philor: maybe?
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  339. # [02:53] <Mossop> nthomas: pong
  340. # [02:53] <philor> sunfish: if the tree is closed, you have to include CLOSED TREE in your commit message to get past the hook
  341. # [02:53] <nthomas> Mossop: hi, do you know if we can reliably manipulate files in the app dir with a hotfix ? Are there issues with r/w access and elevation ?
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  343. # [02:54] <Mossop> nthomas: It's not impossible but I think it would involve shipping a custom executable to request elevation to make the changes. Chances are at that point it is simpler to just do a full Firefox release
  344. # [02:55] <@roc> setting my alarm to wake me up at 2:45 am is so depressing
  345. # [02:55] <nthomas> Mossop: ok. What about overriding a .js file in browser/omni.ja ?
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  347. # [02:56] <Mossop> Something in chrome://, yes that should be possible
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  351. # [02:57] <nthomas> the reference I have from an error message is resource://app/modules/distribution.js
  352. # [02:59] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/85d7dbab03e5 - Gaia Pushbot - Bumping gaia.json for 2 gaia-central revision(s)
  353. # [03:00] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/e04edd9b1640 - Gaia Pushbot - Bumping gaia.json for 2 gaia-central revision(s)
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  356. # [03:00] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/7e05a42582e4 - Ryan VanderMeulen - Merge birch and m-c.
  357. # [03:00] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/2c61c4ab11a3 - Gaia Pushbot - Bumping gaia.json for 2 gaia-central revision(s)
  358. # [03:00] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/8b4591ef3b24 - Ryan VanderMeulen - Merge m-c and fx-team.
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  360. # [03:00] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/7f407c7c3ff0 - Gaia Pushbot - Bumping gaia.json for 2 gaia-central revision(s)
  361. # [03:00] <Mossop> nthomas: It's possible in some cases to replace the code in there, depends on the specifics of the problem and when during runtime it happens
  362. # [03:00] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/c6c054a09295 - Gaia Pushbot - Bumping gaia.json for 2 gaia-central revision(s)
  363. # [03:00] <nthomas> Mossop: startup of course!
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  366. # [03:01] <nthomas> Mossop: thanks for the info, I don't know enough about what's happening low down to tell you more. bug 882989 fwiw
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  371. # [03:02] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/971b68a8f9cb - Phil Ringnalda - Back out 1aa1a42a471f:bf03279e2b50 (bug 885169) for b2g/Android bustage on a CLOSED TREE
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  374. # [03:03] <sunfish> philor: thanks. sorry for being slow with hg.
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  376. # [03:04] <philor> sunfish: no problem, I know the feeling
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  378. # [03:05] <philor> the dozen things I do all the time, no sweat and I know just what they have or haven't done, everything else is a minefield
  379. # [03:06] <ekr> philor: you are going to totally love git
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  381. # [03:06] <philor> sunfish: on the bright side, Fennec looks busted too, so it probably a reasonable and sensible "busted on ARM" rather than some messy and strange "on b2g"
  382. # [03:07] <Mossop> nthomas: A quick look suggests that it would be difficult to fix that error from a hotfix
  383. # [03:07] <philor> ekr: yeah, my use of git is entirely restricted to things where github gives me a command to copy-paste
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  385. # [03:07] <nthomas> Mossop: bummer, thanks for looking
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  388. # [03:07] <ekr> philor: not to worry, I woud say that only about 60% of peopel I know have irreperably hosed their git repo within the first two months
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  391. # [03:11] <RyanVM> ekr: that's impressive. I've found that it's darn near impossible to irreparably hose an Hg repo if you're familiar with a few commands
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  393. # [03:11] <ekr> Well, I'm sure you haven't irreperably hosed your repo
  394. # [03:12] <RyanVM> I did before I knew Hg commands better
  395. # [03:12] <ekr> It's just that you need to really know how git works to unhose it
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  397. # [03:12] <RyanVM> I've found that for the most part, nothing I've done to my Hg repos can't be fixed with strip, update -C, and/or purge
  398. # [03:12] <ekr> Yeah, so with git the detached head is popular
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  400. # [03:16] <@dbaron> RyanVM, it was a lot easier with older hg versions, but with current ones I agree it's pretty hard
  401. # [03:16] <@dbaron> Ctrl+C on some mq operations used to hose a repo
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  405. # [03:18] <philor> edwin: you sneaky sneaky man, you almost got away with it
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  408. # [03:19] <philor> "test_streams_element_capture.html | Test timed out."
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  415. # [03:22] <philor> rillian: did you maybe forget the "make web audio tests work on b2g" step?
  416. # [03:22] <ekr> or maybe the "write the code" step?
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  426. # [03:30] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/a36ee93e4159 - Phil Ringnalda - Back out 0e276ed2d7c3 (bug 884651) for Linux test_streams_element_capture.html timeouts
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  428. # [03:33] <edwin> I would have gotten away with it too!
  429. # [03:33] <edwin> These gosh darn meddling kids...
  430. # [03:34] <philor> indeed
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  438. # [03:37] <philor> uh oh, 24 as beta has a bunch of failures, https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=d5d7e66b1e7b
  439. # [03:38] <philor> somebody condition their font shorthand feature with early-beta but not their tests?
  440. # [03:38] <ekr> what the heck is "early-beta"
  441. # [03:38] <ekr> isn't that "aurora"?
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  445. # [03:40] <philor> no, it's the part of the define that I was able to type despite my laziness handicap, EARLY_BETA_OR_EARLIER
  446. # [03:40] <philor> you get to ship your completely unready for public viewing feature in the first beta, and then it gets shut off
  447. # [03:41] <ekr> ah
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  463. # [03:56] <philor> oh, how handy, "out 14 - 24 June"
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  468. # [03:57] <philor> and look, it's already 25 June in Japan :)
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  470. # [03:58] <aja> it must be out already then
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  474. # [03:59] <philor> heh
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  478. # [04:00] <@khuey> dbaron: did you make sure that WebGLContext.h doesn't end up in that binding file too? ;-)
  479. # [04:01] <@dbaron> khuey, I guess I should check...
  480. # [04:01] <philor> alas, it's been so long since I last stalked the elusive Mr. Daggett, I'm neither sure of the nick nor sure whether he still passes through here sometimes
  481. # [04:01] <@dbaron> khuey, I guess it didn't actually help...
  482. # [04:02] <@dbaron> philor, nattokirai
  483. # [04:02] <@khuey> dbaron: :-(
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  486. # [04:03] <philor> yeah, that was what I was looking for, but then when I got to the step where you look at the ":jtd" in his bugzilla realname and laugh at that transparent attempt to avoid stalkers, I faltered
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  490. # [04:04] <@khuey> dbaron: I'll try to hack up https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=876555#c8 this week
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  499. # [04:10] <philor> and at last, there goes rillian
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  504. # [04:12] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/6e091ce775ef - Phil Ringnalda - Back out b0303f19d6fe (bug 886168) for turning on failing tests
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  530. # [04:29] <philor> BenWa|sms: does gtest have an off switch?
  531. # [04:29] <philor> releases/mozilla-aurora may well need to know that :|
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  560. # [04:51] <gozala> Can anyone help me with some nsITransportSocket issue ?
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  562. # [04:51] <gozala> It seem that closing output end does not sends FIN to the server
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  564. # [04:51] <gozala> I was wondering if I'm doing anything wrong
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  570. # [04:54] <gozala> Mossop: do you know person who may have answer on that ^^
  571. # [04:55] <Mossop> gozala: jduell maybe
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  575. # [04:56] <gozala> jduell: got a moment to see if I'm doing something wrong ?
  576. # [04:56] <BenWa|sms> philor: We can take it off the make check step if you're asking about the timeout issues. From the bug is seems like its not even once a day
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  580. # [04:57] <philor> BenWa: nope, https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=24546949&tree=Mozilla-Aurora - bizarre though this sounds to me, taking --enable-metro out of the mozconfig seems to have made it permaorange on Windows on Aurora
  581. # [04:57] <philor> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=24547382&tree=Mozilla-Aurora, the debug message is slightly clearer
  582. # [04:58] <philor> three there, two in https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=d5d7e66b1e7b&onlyunstarred=1 where I pushed that rev of aurora to try, so 5-for-5
  583. # [04:58] <BenWa> philor: Ahh alright. The rules right now is to not use gtest for metro while we fix it but looks like it really should be 'not windows' until then
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  585. # [04:59] <philor> oh, so the --enable-metro was just shutting it off?
  586. # [04:59] <BenWa> philor: Yes. I had built the stuff locally with metro disabled so I didn't think it broke, but something must make it break on the testing machine. Let's use adjust that to windows. Someone will be looking into enabling it for windows soon so we will look at this failure then I guess
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  590. # [05:01] <BenWa> philor: We decided not to uplift enable-metro?
  591. # [05:01] <BenWa> or take it in when branching rather
  592. # [05:02] <philor> BenWa: yeah, I think they're targetting something quite a bit higher, 27 maybe?
  593. # [05:03] <BenWa> philor: do you have a bug on file? A patch to turn off gtest there is trivial and we have no real value in running gtest on aurora anyways
  594. # [05:03] <BenWa> for windows at least that is
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  596. # [05:04] <philor> BenWa: nope, didn't file, only just even realized what step it was that was failing
  597. # [05:04] <philor> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=847442#c72 "around Fx27"
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  599. # [05:06] <BenWa> filing
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  603. # [05:08] <BenWa> bug 886656
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  607. # [05:15] <gwagner> roc: ping
  608. # [05:17] <GinaYeh> mrbkap, ping
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  611. # [05:20] <@roc> gwagner: pong
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  613. # [05:21] <gwagner> roc: hey! do you have an idea how hard it is to improve the situation described in bug 819205 for b2g18?
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  616. # [05:22] <gw280|ngrghrgh> is it just me or is bugzilla really really slow today?
  617. # [05:22] <glob> gw280|ngrghrgh, bug 883018
  618. # [05:22] <@roc> I think anthony was just asking me about that bug
  619. # [05:24] <@roc> gwagner: I think making major changes to browser painting, such as moving to the tiling code that Android uses, is way too risky for 1.1
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  622. # [05:26] <gwagner> roc: right. and it is b2g18 so we would probably need 2 implementations.
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  627. # [05:26] <gwagner> roc: any idea how we could improve the situation?
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  633. # [05:29] <gwagner> roc: leo people say it seems to work better if we increase the size of the area we paint. I don't know much about this part of the engine so maybe I am using the wrong terminology here.
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  635. # [05:30] <philor> inbound's reopened, if anyone still has bustage that they haven't already pushed today
  636. # [05:30] <gwagner> roc: oh just saw your comment. thx!
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  643. # [05:39] <kentuckyfriedtakahe> how do I push a b2g18 patch to try?
  644. # [05:40] <mjrosenb> kentuckyfriedtakahe: apply the patch to local repo, and push it to try.
  645. # [05:40] <philor> with the greatest of care and a skeptical eye for the results, since 99% of the failures will just be because something configured to build and test trunk can't build and test that ancient branch
  646. # [05:40] <mjrosenb> kentuckyfriedtakahe: it may push a *large* number of commits, but so it goes.
  647. # [05:40] <nthomas> what philor said
  648. # [05:40] <philor> make check will fail on every platform, can't remember what all else
  649. # [05:40] <kentuckyfriedtakahe> mjrosenb: interesting... but ok.
  650. # [05:40] <kentuckyfriedtakahe> thanks
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  654. # [05:45] <ekr> philor, do you know what this is? https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=24549067&tree=Try
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  656. # [05:46] <philor> ekr: we sort of think maybe it's perhaps possible that we might have maybe gotten rid of that with the https://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/7e05a42582e4 merge
  657. # [05:46] <philor> maybe
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  659. # [05:47] <ekr> philor: let me re-ask my question. Can I ignore since my code seems unlikely to have caused it?
  660. # [05:48] <philor> those builds pull a carefully curated gaia rev from that gaia.json file, and the tip of, I forget, either 47 or 83 other repos
  661. # [05:48] <philor> yeah, ignore it
  662. # [05:48] <ekr> philor: thanks
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  665. # [05:50] <philor> or since it looks like it went away before that merge, maybe we had 99 repos and 98 of them weren't busted
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  669. # [05:51] <ekr> We've got 99 problems and hg ain't one?
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  672. # [05:54] <philor> yep, all git
  673. # [05:55] <@roc> oops, pasted the crashtest into the wrong browser
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  689. # [06:05] <rillian> philor: it worked on the try push!
  690. # [06:06] <rillian> at least we got the same failure on two different archs
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  692. # [06:08] <philor> rillian: yeah, when I looked at try, I wondered which of your colleagues that pushed something earlier today was due for a yelling-at
  693. # [06:09] <rillian> oh, the failures are all on the same arch. 'linux64' is the vm host
  694. # [06:09] <philor> oh, goodie, I get to file the Framebuffer not complete failure
  695. # [06:09] <rillian> I guess I get to learn how to build the emulator!
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  698. # [06:10] <philor> and then when your freshly-built one doesn't fail, you get to find out how to get a copy of the static one we currently use
  699. # [06:10] <philor> and then by the time you get that and figure it out, we'll switch to using freshly-built ones
  700. # [06:10] <rillian> ha!
  701. # [06:11] <rillian> ...how can we use a static emulator to test a new system image? o.O
  702. # [06:11] <philor> CompositingRenderTargetOGL.h, on whom do I file this?
  703. # [06:12] <philor> oh, hello OMTC!
  704. # [06:13] <philor> gfx, with a special cc for mattwoodrow
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  726. # [06:40] <njn> it's suspiciously quiet on inbound
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  825. # [08:14] <@dbaron> njn, did you cause the Win7 purple?
  826. # [08:14] <@dbaron> or is that actually an infra problem (would philor know?)?
  827. # [08:14] <philor> infra
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  830. # [08:15] <@dbaron> oh, there's pink now too?
  831. # [08:16] <heycam> pink is cancelled through buildapi
  832. # [08:16] <@dbaron> yeah
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  834. # [08:16] <@dbaron> anyway, g'night
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  843. # [08:22] <Ms2ger> Bonjour
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  846. # [08:25] <h4writer> Good morning
  847. # [08:25] <h4writer> Ms2ger, ^^ ;)
  848. # [08:25] <Ms2ger> And a good day to you too :)
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  854. # [08:32] <daleharvey> whereabouts in gecko do we decide to handle embedded media (or not), this is for b2g but if I remember it was similiar across platforms
  855. # [08:33] <cpearce> daleharvey: what do you mean "embedded media"? are you talking about the <audio> and <video> implementation?
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  857. # [08:33] <daleharvey> cpearce: yup
  858. # [08:34] <cpearce> daleharvey: content/media/
  859. # [08:34] <cpearce> daleharvey: and content/html/content/src/HTMLMediaElement.cpp and content/html/content/public/HTMLMediaElement.h
  860. # [08:35] <philor> hmm, is that dbaron's warnings-as-errors bustage?
  861. # [08:35] <daleharvey> cpearce: ah no sorry, I mean the content handler that opens .mp3 etc in a media player
  862. # [08:35] <cpearce> daleharvey: on b2g?
  863. # [08:36] <cpearce> or on desktop?
  864. # [08:36] <daleharvey> cpearce: yup
  865. # [08:36] <philor> surely he wouldn't be crazy enough to touch printing, but then, who would?
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  868. # [08:37] <cpearce> daleharvey: I'm not sure where in the call chain b2g intercepts the media load sorry. doublec might know.
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  871. # [08:37] <cpearce> daleharvey: or sotaro
  872. # [08:37] <daleharvey> cpearce: on b2g, but if I can find it on desktop it would give me enough to find I think, I am looking for the code that sees the url http://techslides.com/demos/sample-videos/small.ogv and opens some content to play it
  873. # [08:37] <daleharvey> cpearce: ok cool, thanks
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  875. # [08:38] <cpearce> daleharvey: on desktop we will open a media in a stand alone document if DecoderTraits::IsSupportedInVideoDocument() returns true, but I don't think that b2g follows that all the way down.
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  879. # [08:42] <Ms2ger> philor, I'm pretty sure that's 8e83da248fc9
  880. # [08:42] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/f94cd48c8907 - Phil Ringnalda - Back out 2332bb3fe186:10f70b8b04fe (bug 858937) for warnings-as-errors bustage
  881. # [08:42] <philor> damn it!
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  886. # [08:43] <philor> well, everybody out of the pool is always a better policy anyway, I just thought I'd see if once I could get yelled at less
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  890. # [08:44] <Ms2ger> philor, sounds almost as dangerous as addressing review comments after a try run ;)
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  1016. # [10:59] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/28251f4140f6 - Nicholas Cameron - Bug 878142; be more precise about removing the animation manager from the refresh driver. r=dbaron
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  1059. # [11:43] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/b3f8eee3c389 - Emanuel Hoogeveen - Bug 886128 - Fix various clang warnings and some potential bugs in nonstandard configurations. r=nnethercote,terrence.
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  1083. # [12:18] <ferjm> hi! I am trying to inherit from DOMError (webidls http://www.pastebin.mozilla.org/2561218) and I am getting this error http://www.pastebin.mozilla.org/2561219
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  1088. # [12:20] <ferjm> is there anything wrong with the MMIError webidl or do I need to modify DOMError to add DOMError::DOMError(nsPIDOMWindow*&) ?
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  1095. # [12:24] <jfkthame> edmorley: the android armv6 orange looks like it's from my push, would you mind doing the backout for me?
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  1097. # [12:24] <edmorley> jfkthame: sure (was just about to ping you :-))
  1098. # [12:25] <jfkthame> thanks a bunch (i'm not really around today!)
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  1100. # [12:26] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/1d18a9213af9 - Ed Morley - Backed out changeset 8284007baae4 (bug 878674) for Android startup java exceptions
  1101. # [12:26] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/fc4ef42eb153 - Ed Morley - Backed out changeset 30bf232b44f7 (bug 878674)
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  1152. # [13:22] <heftig> libcubeb opens libpulse via dlopen, but toolkit/library/Makefile.in still uses the MOZ_PULSEAUDIO_LIBS to link against libpulse
  1153. # [13:23] <heftig> the link gets stripped by -Wl,--as-needed here, so shouldn't it be removed?
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  1169. # [13:45] <Yoric> Mmmh...
  1170. # [13:46] <Yoric> After 45 minutes, my build still isn't complete.
  1171. # [13:46] <Yoric> That's kind of worrying.
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  1175. # [13:47] <Yoric> (8 cores, 8Gb RAM, SSD, MacOS X)
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  1177. # [13:49] <glazou> Yoric: http://is.gd/sp0XtR
  1178. # [13:49] <darktrojan> if it takes that long on your machine, I hate to think what it'd do to mine
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  1185. # [13:52] <glazou> Yoric: build from scratch, rebuild in objdir with a simple make, ... ?
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  1201. # [13:58] <darktrojan> hmm
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  1203. # [13:58] <darktrojan> building with libxul sdk, can you build firefox with it?
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  1208. # [14:02] <darktrojan> I may just have to try that
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  1210. # [14:04] <Yoric> glazou: ./mach build after clobber.
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  1213. # [14:07] <Yoric> gps: Would it be possible to log what takes most time in the build?
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  1221. # [14:13] <glazou> Yoric: and you're building universal or x86_64 only ?
  1222. # [14:13] <Yoric> Default settings, so hopefully x86_64.
  1223. # [14:13] <Yoric> It finished after ~1h, btw.
  1224. # [14:14] <glazou> with 8-core 8gigs and SSD ? wow
  1225. # [14:14] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/cbaa841e8f2b - Jan de Mooij - Bug 885660 - Fix Ion bailouts to overwrite arguments on the stack at the end of the bailout. r=djvj
  1226. # [14:14] <Yoric> Yes, that's rather worrying.
  1227. # [14:14] <glazou> I also have 8cores, 16gigs and HD and it's take 29 mins for one arch build
  1228. # [14:14] <glazou> so your build should be faster than mine
  1229. # [14:15] <glazou> you're sure your -j8 flag is correctly set ?
  1230. # [14:15] <Yoric> Looks so.
  1231. # [14:15] <Yoric> Unless ./mach ignores it, which I doubt.
  1232. # [14:15] <padenot> Yoric: you could try removing it entirely
  1233. # [14:15] <padenot> iirc, mach pick a good value for -j
  1234. # [14:16] <padenot> picks, event
  1235. # [14:16] <till> Yoric: I think mach ignores it
  1236. # [14:16] <padenot> even, even
  1237. # [14:16] <NeilAway> Yoric: my 8 code 16Gb SATA Linux took ~15 mins when I first got it, it's already up to ~30 :-(
  1238. # [14:16] <Yoric> Well, anyway, time to go to the office.
  1239. # [14:16] <Yoric> NeilAway: :/
  1240. # [14:16] <glazou> NeilAway: webidl
  1241. # [14:16] <NeilAway> darktrojan: you should be able to build firefox, tb and SeaMonkey too, but you need some mozconfig options for the latter two
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  1244. # [14:16] <till> Yoric: yeah, you can specify it explicitly using `mach build -j`
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  1246. # [14:17] <Yoric> Ok, I'll try next time, but it looked like I had 8 clang processes running in |top|.
  1247. # [14:17] <NeilAway> glazou: it wouldn't surprise me :-(
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  1253. # [14:20] <baku> Ms2ger, peterv is there a way to implement a new WebIDL component in JS that inherits from another WebIDL component and has a constructor?
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  1257. # [14:21] <baku> in particular the problem is: how to extend a DOMError in JS. DOMError has a constructor that receives a PIDOMWindow.
  1258. # [14:24] <peterv> baku: you might want to ask mccr8, but what spec want to extend DOMError?
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  1260. # [14:25] <baku> TCPError I guess.
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  1262. # [14:25] <baku> peterv, ^
  1263. # [14:26] <peterv> baku: spec?
  1264. # [14:27] <darktrojan> NeilAway, so I can. I wish I'd known that a long time ago.
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  1272. # [14:28] <ferjm> peterv, the idea of extending DOMError came from this comment https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=824717#c4 (also c5) we need to extend DOMError for SMS and MMI APIs so far
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  1274. # [14:29] <darktrojan> NeilAway, now, if I could just take it back a step so I could also hack toolkit/ files, that'd be great
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  1279. # [14:34] <steve> hello all. flame war time. polite request that *you* properly maintain your embedding interface. bz dumb javascript o/s idea is retarded. make the best browser. nobody wants a j/s os.
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  1282. # [14:34] <steve> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=885785
  1283. # [14:35] <steve> that's *your* bug. it ain't my bug. I don't develop this tree. I interface to it. if it works. which it doesn't.
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  1286. # [14:35] <steve> there are other trees providing similar functionality. if you want to be irrelevent, that's up to you.
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  1288. # [14:36] <NeilAway> darktrojan: c++ files? if you want to hack those, then that's a little tricky without relinking libxul :s
  1289. # [14:36] <darktrojan> no
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  1291. # [14:36] <darktrojan> things like the addons manager
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  1293. # [14:36] <jdm> steve: flame war time != polite request
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  1296. # [14:37] <steve> welll there is that but I don't know how else to move this forwards. flame back if I'm wrong. or out of order.
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  1298. # [14:38] <NeilAway> darktrojan: well, you don't need a full-tree rebuild just to do those bits
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  1300. # [14:38] <steve> if you just want a closed tree that vanishes up it's own arse that's up to you.
  1301. # [14:38] <steve> *its
  1302. # [14:38] <jdm> steve: honestly, the quickest path to resolution is to obtain a debug build of gecko and step into the function that's causing the problem
  1303. # [14:38] <gaston> steve: i'm not sure you're using the correct way to politely ask :)
  1304. # [14:38] <peterv> baku: ok, not sure we really want to do that, but it doesn't just work?
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  1306. # [14:39] <steve> no - I tried polite. polite results in fix it yourself. not my tree.
  1307. # [14:39] <gaston> yeah and you've been told that nobody was maintaining that part of the code
  1308. # [14:39] <darktrojan> NeilAway, but I do need a build, and that takes forever, and the when I update my tree, I need to build again because it gets all broken
  1309. # [14:40] <glazou> steve: the point being that in a community, "your tree" is "our tree" where us=all
  1310. # [14:40] <gaston> so if you want to use it, it becomes your tree.
  1311. # [14:40] <glazou> what gaston said
  1312. # [14:40] <steve> incorrect. your tree is your tree. my tree is my tree. we interface if there is a stable interface. we don't if there isn't
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  1314. # [14:41] <ferjm> peterv, how could I initialize the parent's (DOMError in this case) members. Should an assignment like this.member1 = value in the __init function of the child implementation work?
  1315. # [14:41] <glazou> ahem
  1316. # [14:41] <gaston> then dont and switch to chromium, since you seem to use that as a threat to motivate ppl to maintain the embedding iface
  1317. # [14:41] <glazou> BTW, salut peterv :-)
  1318. # [14:42] <peterv> hi!
  1319. # [14:42] <gaston> using threats like this is surely the best way to drag ppl away from helping you
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  1321. # [14:42] <steve> ok. so that's that one done then. will migrate to chromium. it's less work. just being pragmatic. not a threat.
  1322. # [14:42] <ferjm> peterv, I basically have something like http://www.pastebin.mozilla.org/2561422 and I have no this.__DOM_IMPL__ within the __init method
  1323. # [14:42] <gaston> i'm note speaking on behalf of everyone, but as a member of the community this is how things are
  1324. # [14:43] <steve> if I had the resources I'd throw out a bug bounty or put a dev on it. I don't. running very tight at the moment.
  1325. # [14:43] <gaston> if you want something to work and noone is interested/has the manpower to maintain it, then you become the de-facto maintainer, or use something else
  1326. # [14:43] <glazou> steve: why do you think someone else or even mozilla has the resources ?
  1327. # [14:43] <steve> £50M a year revenue from google
  1328. # [14:43] <steve> moz has a budget
  1329. # [14:43] <darktrojan> for your pet project?
  1330. # [14:44] <glazou> and it has several hundreds employees to pay
  1331. # [14:44] <steve> no for maintaining the tree
  1332. # [14:44] <steve> well they could maintain their tree then
  1333. # [14:44] <gaston> for maintaining 'the deemed relevant and maintained parts of' the tree
  1334. # [14:44] <glazou> steve: let's see it in another way ok ? the way you ask here, nobody's tempted to really help you
  1335. # [14:44] <froydnj> just because the money is not spent maintaining what you find useful doesn't mean that it's not well spent on other useful things
  1336. # [14:44] <steve> several hundred devs. embedding interface aint much work. better use of time than esoteric svg bollox
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  1338. # [14:45] <darktrojan> in your opinion
  1339. # [14:45] <jdm> edmorley: http://mozillamemes.tumblr.com/post/53831599154/these-trains-run-on-time
  1340. # [14:45] <steve> understand there are other priorities
  1341. # [14:45] <steve> in my opinion. I am entitled to an opinion.
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  1343. # [14:45] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/4441fe8e2ead - Ed Morley - Backed out changeset d7c237784ce9 (bug 886230) for B2G mochitest-9 failures in test_bug582181-1.html
  1344. # [14:45] <glazou> and there is rule here than slang words must be in french, like in the matrix
  1345. # [14:46] <peterv> ferjm: weird, I can see the code that defines __DOM_IMPL__
  1346. # [14:46] <glazou> steve: sure ; we are too ; can we go back to work now?
  1347. # [14:46] <steve> you ain't building the matrix. you're building a page renderer.
  1348. # [14:46] <edmorley> jdm: lol :-)
  1349. # [14:46] <steve> matrix ain't coded in javascript
  1350. # [14:46] <glazou> gecko neither
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  1352. # [14:46] <steve> webgl is
  1353. # [14:46] <steve> that's where your 3d is at
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  1355. # [14:47] <NeilAway> darktrojan: how often do you update your tree?
  1356. # [14:47] <steve> gecko is quite nice. I like it.
  1357. # [14:47] <darktrojan> not often
  1358. # [14:47] <tbsaunde> steve: and everybody laughing at you instead of wanting to help you is where you're at
  1359. # [14:48] * glazou would like to add an entry to the jargon file ; until today, TOD meant Time Of Day ; I suggest to add Troll Of the Day
  1360. # [14:48] <steve> laughing is fine. can handle it. I know how it is.
  1361. # [14:48] <darktrojan> NeilAway, I really try to avoid it, but then people complain my patches don't apply
  1362. # [14:48] <tbsaunde> steve: clearly not enough to fix what you don't like about it
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  1364. # [14:48] <steve> challenge won't work. don't need the ego boost.
  1365. # [14:49] <steve> your bug
  1366. # [14:49] <glazou> so who's op here hmmm ?
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  1368. # [14:49] <tbsaunde> resolved ENOTIME
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  1371. # [14:50] <steve> it's not trolling to point out you have a bug
  1372. # [14:50] <NeilAway> darktrojan: yeah, that sucks that our vcs doesn't export patches in a way that can be automatically rebased :s
  1373. # [14:50] <peterv> ferjm: have a patch that I can try?
  1374. # [14:51] <steve> everyone is laughing at your javascript o/s idea.
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  1376. # [14:51] <ferjm> peterv, yes, I quite dirty one… give me a minute
  1377. # [14:51] * glazou goes back to Meda Queries in BlueGriffon, code's boiling
  1378. # [14:51] <gaston> steve: see, now you're trolling
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  1380. # [14:51] <steve> but work on what you want. as long as the money keeps coming from google you can do what you like.
  1381. # [14:52] <peterv> stop feeding the trolls please
  1382. # [14:52] <steve> not trolling to point out js o/s is a daft idea. had this out the other day.
  1383. # [14:52] <Ms2ger> Yes, thank you, steve
  1384. # [14:52] <Ms2ger> You've made your point
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  1387. # [14:52] <steve> thank you for listening.
  1388. # [14:52] <steve> au revoir
  1389. # [14:52] <gaston> bon débarras
  1390. # [14:52] <Ms2ger> Yoric, I can tell you what takes most time after a clobber, compiling all our C++ code :)
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  1392. # [14:53] <glazou> gaston: :-D
  1393. # [14:53] <darktrojan> Ms2ger, that's what I've been trying to say!
  1394. # [14:53] <glazou> Ms2ger is our god
  1395. # [14:53] <peterv> a good that has to pass his exams though
  1396. # [14:53] <peterv> er
  1397. # [14:53] <peterv> god
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  1399. # [14:54] <glazou> peterv: don't disclose too much about his private life or you'll give us his name ;-)
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  1401. # [14:55] <steve> of course the downside of this is I now have to dive into the chromium tree to patch it. ferk. oh well.
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  1403. # [14:55] * glazou finds in a web page a '@media screen' inside a <link media="print"> and of course the editor is supposed to deal with it :-/
  1404. # [14:56] <Ms2ger> glazou, that's assuming that he knows my name ;)
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  1406. # [14:56] <Ms2ger> peterv, it's looking good enough, I think :)
  1407. # [14:56] <glazou> aren't all belgians named van something ?-)
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  1410. # [14:57] <Ms2ger> Extrapolating from peterv, it seems you're right :)
  1411. # [14:57] <glazou> lol
  1412. # [14:57] <peterv> I don't want to know his name, everyone will start nagging me about it
  1413. # [14:57] <glazou> I just launched the rumour :-D
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  1415. # [14:58] <_AxS_> Hey all -- anyone here willing to sponsor me for level 1 commit access? I'd like to get the patch for bug 886418 landed sooner than later and I need access to try
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  1418. # [15:00] <steve> reminder : https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=885785
  1419. # [15:00] <steve> but not going to keep going on about it. if you don't want others embedding gecko, it's your tree and you are free to close it. open source is not the same as open design. the second is a more powerful concept.
  1420. # [15:02] <steve> you have one tree in a forest.
  1421. # [15:02] <steve> code monkeys like to climb up different trees as & when the mood takes us. if any tree is hard to climb up, we go up others could who needs the grief
  1422. # [15:02] <steve> *cause
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  1424. # [15:03] <_AxS_> steve: codebase development is going too fast for everything else to keep up; not surprising gtkmozembed was dropped without maintainers to keep it up with every version.. *sigh*
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  1427. # [15:03] <steve> all aboard the failboat. some trees in the forest get rotten & fall over
  1428. # [15:05] <steve> there's not much wrong with it. have got it compiling again. it's just a startup/init problem. *could* look into it but not assessing you guys are serious so why bother.
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  1430. # [15:05] <steve> and yes I know I'm talking to the developers of the uber firefox web browser
  1431. # [15:05] <_AxS_> steve: patches are accepted for even entirely unsupported stuffs; so i'm sure if you did the work will be very much appreciated here
  1432. # [15:06] <steve> I will look at it one more time but it's frustrating your interface isn't taken seriously. sorry to vent. just sharing some thoughts.
  1433. # [15:06] <steve> love your work guys :)
  1434. # [15:07] <_AxS_> steve: curious; is gtkmozembed for gtk2 only or does it have support for 3?
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  1436. # [15:08] <steve> dunno. I don't actually care about gtk at all. just want an opengl interface ... but needs to init properly whatever it is. I'm fairly linux noob
  1437. # [15:09] <_AxS_> steve: ... what is it you're doing?
  1438. # [15:09] <steve> http://advance-software.com
  1439. # [15:09] <steve> 3D web browser
  1440. # [15:09] <_AxS_> full browser or just a plugin into firefox?
  1441. # [15:09] <steve> full browser
  1442. # [15:10] <steve> interface to gecko for page rendering
  1443. # [15:10] <_AxS_> ah. so definitely something beyond what the FreeWRL codebase did
  1444. # [15:10] <steve> soon to be chromium for reasons stated
  1445. # [15:10] * pmoore|away is now known as pmoore
  1446. # [15:10] <steve> yeah.
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  1448. # [15:11] <steve> all the high end vfx stuff you might want to interface to is c++ not js
  1449. # [15:11] <steve> + GPU
  1450. # [15:11] <_AxS_> so just something I noticed with the freewrl plugin; although the iface talks about gtk for window management, iirc you don't actually need more than regular libX11 stuff.
  1451. # [15:12] <steve> not even that. only need to access the final composited ogl surface. still need the embedding init stuff to start properly
  1452. # [15:13] <steve> when this is done right we have a series of portals. I can jump into yours you can jump into mine & so on.
  1453. # [15:13] <_AxS_> is infinity's code open?
  1454. # [15:14] <_AxS_> (sorry for the o/t everyone)
  1455. # [15:14] <steve> not right now. open interface. open format. closed source core.
  1456. # [15:14] <steve> that may change as was the case for netscape if the economics turn out that way. not sure right now
  1457. # [15:14] <_AxS_> ahok. guess I can't help much with the actual code then
  1458. # [15:14] <steve> also sorry for the o/t
  1459. # [15:15] <_AxS_> (not that id necessarily be of much help in the first place, but was curious)
  1460. # [15:15] <steve> will open source our infinity gecko plugin some time soon even if we move to chromium. you could take a look at that if you wanted to.
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  1462. # [15:15] <steve> it works on windoze. linux a problem due to gtkEmbed bitrot
  1463. # [15:16] <steve> thanks for your interest. sorry to derail. just need to figure out what to do here. if bugger off & go use chromium is the answer then I guess it is. but thinking this through. apologies.
  1464. # [15:16] <_AxS_> heh, fully -- freewrl's is the opposite (linux works since FF2 , windows still not so much)
  1465. # [15:17] <_AxS_> s/fully/funny/
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  1467. # [15:17] <steve> all kinds of 3d interwebz stuff out there. people approach from different directions. we'll get there eventually :)
  1468. # [15:17] <_AxS_> steve: be sure chromium's API is more stable before switching; not much point if you end up in the same situation in a year
  1469. # [15:18] <steve> check out our xsg file format. that's open. better (imo) to X3D which is just an XML wrapper around VRML2. that's fugly
  1470. # [15:19] <steve> collada also popular but too bloaty for web use. web developers need something simple & easy to use. like html5 but for 3d. webgl does not give you that.
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  1472. # [15:19] <_AxS_> is it a web3d working group standard?
  1473. # [15:19] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/edf2dd195222 - Ed Morley - Backed out changeset 1d5db5f16a32 (bug 874669) for failures in test_bug716822.html
  1474. # [15:19] <steve> though it could implement a parser
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  1476. # [15:19] <steve> not yet. output of my derranged imagination so far.
  1477. # [15:20] <_AxS_> if you're bored, i'm sure the freewrl group would love to support that format in their renderer.. ;)
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  1483. # [15:21] <steve> a long way from bored. overloaded. anyone is welcome to implement xsg support.
  1484. # [15:21] <steve> early academic peer review here:
  1485. # [15:21] <steve> http://advance-software.com/public_html/xsg/xsg_academic_eval_1.pdf
  1486. # [15:21] <steve> http://advance-software.com/xsg/xsg_academic_eval_1.pdf
  1487. # [15:22] <_AxS_> tnx!
  1488. # [15:22] <steve> anyhow. not wanting to derail here. I've raised a concern. I'll look at it a little more myself. but interfacing requires push from both sides
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  1490. # [15:22] <steve> welcome.
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  1493. # [15:24] <Ms2ger> froydnj, perhaps, but that's not my point
  1494. # [15:24] <froydnj> Ms2ger: understood
  1495. # [15:25] <Ms2ger> Great :)
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  1499. # [15:27] <froydnj> it is so hard to remember all the myriad style rules without some sort of machine enforcement
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  1501. # [15:28] <Ms2ger> True
  1502. # [15:28] <Ms2ger> We should fix that
  1503. # [15:28] <froydnj> patches welcome :p
  1504. # [15:28] <Ms2ger> And I hear BenWa is fixing that
  1505. # [15:29] <froydnj> that would be progress
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  1509. # [15:30] <foutrelis> I'm noticing a weird behavior of Firefox 22 on Arch Linux (not yet in the repos, I'm trying to package it) in regard to proxy settings; when Firefox is configured to use the system proxy settings, it will act like it's configured to use a proxy that's not accepting connections. No proxy is configured at the system level and older Firefox versions had no such issue. Any idea what's wrong? :3
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  1512. # [15:31] <foutrelis> I'm testing on Xfce and another Arch dev confirmed it on Gnome
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  1516. # [15:33] <jdm> foutrelis: that sounds like something worth filing
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  1518. # [15:35] <jdm> foutrelis: however, it may also be https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=817533
  1519. # [15:35] <jdm> since it says FF 22 is affected
  1520. # [15:35] <jdm> fixed in 23
  1521. # [15:35] * foutrelis looks
  1522. # [15:35] <jdm> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=817533#c31
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  1525. # [15:36] <edmorley> jimm: ping
  1526. # [15:36] <foutrelis> that looks like it, yes
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  1528. # [15:37] <foutrelis> jdm: I'll try rebuilding with https://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/85f1d207f525
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  1535. # [15:42] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/2c9674fbea6a - Ed Morley - Bug 845162 - Disable test_playback.html and test_seek.html on Android for too many intermittent failures
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  1541. # [15:45] <jimm> edmorley: pong
  1542. # [15:45] <edmorley> jimm: hi :-)
  1543. # [15:45] <jimm> hey, what's up?
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  1545. # [15:46] <edmorley> jimm: for bug 880739, do you have any more ideas, or would you rather put it on hold for a while (and we'll disable in the meantime?)
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  1547. # [15:46] <jimm> hmm
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  1552. # [15:47] <jimm> edmorley: I don't want to disable the entire test, it's an important one, but I can disable the individual test in that file that causes that.
  1553. # [15:48] <edmorley> jimm: that would be good, thank you :-)
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  1555. # [15:48] <jimm> is it getting on your nerves?
  1556. # [15:48] <jimm> yeah that one is pretty bad
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  1558. # [15:49] <edmorley> jimm: it's the #2 top orange as of the last 4-5 days
  1559. # [15:49] <jimm> ok, let me put together a patch
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  1563. # [15:50] <edmorley> jimm: :-)
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  1565. # [15:52] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/d5fff0c9ebbe - Ed Morley - Backed out changeset 7f9cf2a04252 (bug 828088) for near-permaorange metro test runs
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  1570. # [15:53] <steve> is your interface to rest of world deemed a relevant part of the tree. if so will it be maintained on all major platforms ?
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  1572. # [15:54] <_AxS_> steve: you talking to me again? or all-mozilla-devs ?
  1573. # [15:54] <steve> talking to the whole room :)
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  1575. # [15:54] <steve> doesn't need an answer today. I'll have another look at it too. just a little food for thought. sorry to go hard at it but sometimes it's necessary. peace.
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  1582. # [15:56] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/69bb6b4fd171 - Julian Seward - Bug 883126 - Improve performance of EXIDX unwinding in Breakpad. r=ted
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  1585. # [15:59] <BenWa> Ms2ger: GTest yes but I'm not touching style rules
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  1587. # [16:00] <@smaug> hmm, r, exr, ggc
  1588. # [16:00] <Ms2ger> BenWa, wasn't it you who was doing something in bugzilla? Or what that another Benoit?
  1589. # [16:00] <@smaug> ah, js rooting tests
  1590. # [16:00] <Ms2ger> smaug, rooting hazards, exact rooting, generational GC
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  1596. # [16:01] <BenWa> Ms2ger: Ohh simple automated reviews, yes
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  1599. # [16:02] <Ms2ger> BenWa, I'm not insane? Yay ;)
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  1601. # [16:02] <@smaug> automated reviews? like a replacement for the coding style checker called Ms2ger?
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  1604. # [16:03] <Ms2ger> smaug, yeah, so I can stop reading your patches ;)
  1605. # [16:03] <@smaug> my patches are perfect!
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  1607. # [16:03] <Ms2ger> Of course, of course
  1608. # [16:03] * @smaug is debugging why his Snowwhite patch causes perma-orance
  1609. # [16:03] <@smaug> orange
  1610. # [16:03] <Ms2ger> The tests aren't perfect?
  1611. # [16:04] <@smaug> exactly
  1612. # [16:04] <Ms2ger> And at least it isn't intermittent
  1613. # [16:04] <@smaug> coding style checker would be really nice
  1614. # [16:05] <@smaug> jst-review doesn't follow the right rules
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  1631. # [16:11] <Ms2ger> OH: "The compilers are even smarter than that! They just give you a blank look, roll their eyes, shake their head, and ignore you!"
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  1633. # [16:11] <@ehsan> Ms2ger: :D
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  1635. # [16:11] <Ms2ger> ehsan++
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  1639. # [16:13] <Ms2ger> ehsan, while I've got you here...
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  1642. # [16:14] <till> ehsan: that didn't go well for you ...
  1643. # [16:14] <@ehsan> hehe
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  1645. # [16:14] <@ehsan> Ms2ger: how can I help?
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  1647. # [16:15] <Ms2ger> ehsan, https://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/67b02bc5a2a1 < are these tests something we can put in a spec test suite?
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  1651. # [16:19] <@ehsan> Ms2ger: hmm, maybe
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  1653. # [16:20] <@ehsan> Ms2ger: testing spell checking across engines is very difficult
  1654. # [16:20] <@ehsan> as various engines spell check at different times, etc
  1655. # [16:20] <Ms2ger> Mm, I was afraid you'd say something like that
  1656. # [16:20] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/c6e4936118ca - Shane Caraveo - bug 886300 fix intermittent orange in blocklist test, r=markh
  1657. # [16:21] <Ms2ger> ehsan, want to think about it a bit? :)
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  1660. # [16:22] <@ehsan> Ms2ger: I have, since recently we changed our spell checker to load stuff asynchronously and had to invent some magic in the reftest runner to be able to test things properly :(
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  1695. # [16:47] <Yoric> Does anyone now when nsAppStartup is killed?
  1696. # [16:47] <Yoric> i.e. can I still use it after xpcom-will-shutdown?
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  1715. # [16:53] <nemo> hrm. Since https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=885021 is apparently Firefox, Safari and especially-awful-at-it Chrome...
  1716. # [16:53] <nemo> Should I just close out the bug?
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  1718. # [16:53] <nemo> that is, just some OSX weirdness that all browsers suffer from?
  1719. # [16:53] <nemo> Is funny to check it out in chrome tho - it isn't even a gradient. just jagged solid triangles
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  1725. # [16:57] <dustin> Hey folks, for #869498, I'm trying to build an RPM (and DEB and PKG/DMG) containing only signmar. So far I'm doing so by trying to strip down Fedora's firefox.spec, but that's not going so well in terms of dependencies, config, etc. (getting it to not complain about webm took a long time)
  1726. # [16:57] <dustin> is there some shortcut I could use to build signmar without dealing with all the deps that don't affect it?
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  1730. # [17:00] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/ec1974330bfc - Hannes Verschore - Bug 886266 - Fix issues with enabling/disabling non-active activations, r=jandem
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  1733. # [17:00] <dustin> the current error is that nspr doesn't seem to have a Makefile - http://pastebin.mozilla.org/2561783
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  1735. # [17:01] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/919f0b90ecf2 - Daniel Holbert - Bug 885596: cast true and false to uint32_t when comparing them against uint32_t values, to silence MSVC build warning. r=dougt
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  1741. # [17:02] <dougt> vlad: ping?
  1742. # [17:02] <dougt> peterv: ping?
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  1747. # [17:04] <decoder> rail: ping?
  1748. # [17:04] <rail> decoder: pong
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  1751. # [17:05] <decoder> rail: question regarding the clang update: would it be a lot of additional work if we had both the 3.3 builds and trunk builds at the same time, so ASan could use the trunk builds? (background is that the backported patch isnt working in 3.3.. neither the asan devs immediately see why, nor do we.. trunk seems to work)
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  1753. # [17:05] <decoder> or is there a technical limitation preventing us from doing this?
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  1755. # [17:05] <decoder> it would also allow us to test stuff on trunk ahead of course :)
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  1757. # [17:06] <rail> decoder: we'll need to use different manifests for asan builds, otherwise shouldn't be hard
  1758. # [17:06] <decoder> yea of course. we would require additional manifests :)
  1759. # [17:06] <decoder> and the buildbot config doing the asan builds would have to know about that
  1760. # [17:06] <decoder> i assume that's the easier part though
  1761. # [17:06] <rail> and we'll need to rebuild clang more often
  1762. # [17:07] <decoder> yea.. though we dont need to do it all the time
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  1770. # [17:08] <rail> decoder: how often do we build asan? per push? once a day?
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  1774. # [17:09] <@bsmedberg> jlebar: is there a way to have git-push-to-hg use the current MQ instead of always switching to git-temp ?
  1775. # [17:09] <Yoric> Also, who/what creates nsAppStartup?
  1776. # [17:09] <_AxS_> decoder: rail: fyi; one of our gentoo users had a patch related to clang-3.3, might be of interest to you (or whomever else is doing clang stuff) https://bugs.gentoo.org/attachment.cgi?id=351768
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  1781. # [17:10] <abr> Ms2ger: pong
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  1784. # [17:11] <Ms2ger> abr, I hear you have an interesting presentation about Mozilla and the IETF that's hidden from non-employees :)
  1785. # [17:12] <abr> Hrm. I don't recall where it ended up, but I thought it was public.
  1786. # [17:12] <Ms2ger> I'm told https://intranet.mozilla.org/images/7/7d/Intro-to-IETF.pdf
  1787. # [17:12] <abr> In any case, it's more of a high-level intro to the IETF for people who aren't familiar with it
  1788. # [17:13] <abr> Okay, let me move that somewhere public
  1789. # [17:13] <Ms2ger> Thanks :)
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  1796. # [17:14] <steve> sorry. me again. embedding solution consideration. is this core, committed definitely future direction stuff ?
  1797. # [17:14] <steve> https://wiki.mozilla.org/Embedding/IPCLiteAPI
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  1799. # [17:15] <steve> cause it looks experimental wobbly could get canned at any minute & running up & down wobbly branches isn't smart
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  1801. # [17:16] <abr> Ms2ger: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/53717247/Intro-to-IETF.pdf
  1802. # [17:16] <steve> if it's core, committed, surely it should be in trunk & I should just pull it from trunk.
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  1804. # [17:16] <Ms2ger> abr++
  1805. # [17:16] * dougt throws dbaron under the bus
  1806. # [17:16] <abr> Ms2ger: Feel free to ping me if you hage any questions.
  1807. # [17:16] <abr> s/hage/have/
  1808. # [17:17] <abr> (typing with only nine fingers at the moment, which makes me more typo-prone than normal. :) )
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  1810. # [17:18] <Ms2ger> abr, I wish I could do nine :)
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  1813. # [17:18] <abr> I guess technically eight. My left thumb doesn't get into the game. I wonder if I could get it involved to compensate. :)
  1814. # [17:21] <Ms2ger> Not even for spaces?
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  1818. # [17:22] <abr> Yeah, I noticed some time ago that only my right thumb ever hits the space bar. Mostly because there's only one spot that gets rubbed smooth instead of two.
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  1825. # [17:25] <NeilAway> Ms2ger: where is that compiler quote from?
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  1832. # [17:26] <Ms2ger> NeilAway, ehsan, making a comment about the 'register' keyword... somewhere
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  1838. # [17:28] <NeilAway> dholbert: out of interested, do you know whether NS_ENSURE_TRUE(aValue == static_cast<uint32_t>(static_cast<bool>(aValue)), NS_ERROR_INVALID_ARG); works?
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  1846. # [17:30] <Ms2ger> NeilAway, to check aValue == !!aValue?
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  1851. # [17:31] <tbsaunde> ehsan: do you know things about nsSelectionAmount?
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  1853. # [17:32] <jdm> tbsaunde is looking for dirt
  1854. # [17:32] <jdm> juicy gossip
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  1857. # [17:33] <sicking> jwatt: ping
  1858. # [17:33] <jwatt> sicking: 5 min?
  1859. # [17:33] <sicking> jwatt: sure thing
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  1861. # [17:34] <tbsaunde> jdm: more like who I can beat for not commenting what' its values mean
  1862. # [17:34] <jdm> heh
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  1864. # [17:35] <ekr> sadly bananabread does not work on b2g
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  1872. # [17:37] <dustin> er, I'm a dummy, signmar's not included in normal builds :(
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  1880. # [17:39] <catlee> dustin: yeah, you need --enable-signmar or somesuch
  1881. # [17:39] <dustin> yeah, which means I need to build from source :(
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  1899. # [17:43] <catlee> dustin: mach build is your friend
  1900. # [17:43] <dustin> yeah, the Fedora spec doesn't use that
  1901. # [17:43] <sicking> jwatt: i have a 6pm meeting, but i'm free until then :)
  1902. # [17:43] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/47862004ed14 - Andrew McCreight - Bug 883657, part 2 - Don't force a GC in mozJSComponentLoader::UnloadModules. r=bholley
  1903. # [17:43] <@ehsan> tbsaunde: it's familiar, but not off the top of my head
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  1905. # [17:43] <decoder> rail: we do asan builds per push on m-c
  1906. # [17:43] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/b05165a7a277 - Andrew McCreight - Bug 883657, part 1 - Run mozJSComponentLoader::UnloadModules() before the shutdown CC. r=bsmedberg
  1907. # [17:43] <jwatt> sicking: ok, back
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  1909. # [17:44] <sicking> i guess that's your 5pm (i'm in sweden)
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  1912. # [17:44] <dholbert> NeilAway, not sure
  1913. # [17:44] <jwatt> sicking: ah, yes
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  1915. # [17:44] <sicking> jwatt: here? vidyo?
  1916. # [17:44] <dustin> catlee: so it sounds like building signmar pretty much requires building all of firefox
  1917. # [17:44] <jwatt> sicking: not used to you being over this side of the pond
  1918. # [17:44] <jwatt> sicking: here or in #content is fine
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  1923. # [17:45] <catlee> dustin: that's certainly the easy way
  1924. # [17:45] <dholbert> NeilAway, not sure if the check is even needed anymore, honestly, or how much it matters
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  1926. # [17:45] <Ms2ger> What's sicking doing in Sweden?
  1927. # [17:45] <dustin> what's the hard way?
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  1930. # [17:45] <Ms2ger> dustin, figuring out if there's another way :)
  1931. # [17:45] <catlee> dustin: never tried! I expect you could build its dependencies in order manually if you could figure out what they were
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  1934. # [17:46] <dustin> heh, ok
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  1937. # [17:46] <jwatt> sicking: we were thinking of waiting for some tech to be implemented to use it for <file>, but I can't remember the term
  1938. # [17:47] <decoder> rail: let me know if I can help in any way if we want to go that way (trunk + 3.3 in parallel). I just talked to dveditz and he is ok with doing that for asan :) of course I would have to test that the builds with trunk work on tbpl then
  1939. # [17:47] <sicking> jwatt: you mean <input type=file>?
  1940. # [17:47] <sicking> jwatt: maybe webcomponents?
  1941. # [17:47] <jwatt> sicking: yeah, sorry
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  1943. # [17:47] <jwatt> yes
  1944. # [17:47] <jwatt> webcomponents
  1945. # [17:47] <jwatt> sicking: last I heard that probably won't be usable for this until the end of the year at the earliest
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  1948. # [17:48] <sicking> jwatt: yeah, i wouldn't be surprised
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  1950. # [17:48] <sicking> jwatt: i mean, you can use XBL for now, that's what we do in <video>
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  1952. # [17:49] <jwatt> sicking: ok, sure
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  1954. # [17:49] <jwatt> sicking: regarding b2g, does file picking work there now?
  1955. # [17:49] <sicking> jwatt: webcomponetns or XBL is a good way to generate the rendering part. It avoids having to write a lot of C++ to generate large anonymous DOM trees
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  1957. # [17:50] <sicking> jwatt: we have support for <input type=file>, but not for <input type=file multiple>
  1958. # [17:50] <rail> decoder: can you file a bug so we start planning that?
  1959. # [17:50] <sicking> jwatt: in b2g
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  1961. # [17:50] <decoder> rail: sure! =)
  1962. # [17:50] <jwatt> sicking: yeah, constructing the anonymous content using C++ would be messy
  1963. # [17:50] <rail> thanks
  1964. # [17:51] <jchen> sewardj: ping?
  1965. # [17:52] <sicking> jwatt: i would probably use the same tricks as <video> uses
  1966. # [17:53] <Ms2ger> Clearly we should revive the input-in-xbl code we wrote in 2002 or so
  1967. # [17:53] <sicking> jwatt: the only tricky part is that we don't have API exposed to content which enables building all parts
  1968. # [17:53] <sicking> jwatt: with <video> it was easy since the code could simply call public API on the <video> element
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  1970. # [17:54] <sicking> jwatt: we can either implement some pieces in C++, or we can add the missing API
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  1972. # [17:55] <decoder> rail: bug 886842 :)
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  1974. # [17:55] <sicking> jwatt: i.e. you could add event listeners using C++ to the elements in the XBL content. Or you could add API on <input> which allows doing things like bringing up the directory picker, and modifying the list of files.
  1975. # [17:55] <rail> \o/
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  1993. # [17:57] <sicking> jwatt: exposing that API might be a decent place to start anyway, to test the performance issues
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  1997. # [17:57] <jwatt> sicking: what api is needed?
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  1999. # [17:58] <jwatt> other than exposing a list of files instead of one
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  2003. # [17:58] <jwatt> and allowing "click-to-pick-a-dir" functionality?
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  2006. # [17:58] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/0278f5665254 - Benjamin Smedberg - Bug 886403 - Spelling errors from bug 880735, r=spelling
  2007. # [17:58] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/e28ceb0c4a16 - Benjamin Smedberg - Bug 886423 - Turn on the click-to-play UI by default in Firefox desktop. As a side effect, remove the plugin permission from about:permissions because we're using
  2008. # [17:59] <firebot> per-plugin permission not per-site and about:permissions doesn't know about that. (page info knows about it) r=keeler
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  2011. # [17:59] <sicking> jwatt: we already expose a list of files. THat's what's used for <input type=file multiple>
  2012. # [18:00] <Ms2ger> bsmedberg, you realize that you don't need r=spelling, right? :)
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  2015. # [18:00] <jwatt> sicking: right, sorry, we just include relative paths in the names for files under subdirs, yes?
  2016. # [18:00] <sicking> jwatt: the missing pieces are: 1. Pick a directory (which adds all the files in that directory) 2. Ability to edit the file list (all the UI needs is to be able to remove individual files)
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  2018. # [18:01] <sicking> jwatt: the "1" is to bring up a directory picker rather than a file picker
  2019. # [18:01] <sicking> jwatt: gotta head to my meeting though :(
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  2021. # [18:01] <sicking> jwatt: i'll be here tomorrow
  2022. # [18:01] <jwatt> sicking: ok, thanks
  2023. # [18:01] <sicking> jwatt: same time
  2024. # [18:01] <jwatt> ttyl
  2025. # [18:01] <jwatt> ok
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  2029. # [18:02] <sicking> jwatt: same timezone rather. I'll be on irc all day though
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  2031. # [18:03] <jwatt> sicking: ah, gotcha - that sounds better ;)
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  2040. # [18:04] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/376fe12f4de4 - Robert O'Callahan - Bug 886657. Don't play anything from an AudioBufferSourceNode until a buffer has been set and start() has been called. r=ehsan
  2041. # [18:05] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/9fd8b2adc693 - Robert O'Callahan - Bug 886618. Play nothing when one or more of the Float32Arrays of an AudioBuffer has been neutered. r=ehsan
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  2064. # [18:12] <mjrosenb> is it expected behavior that clicking on a file will pop up the 'what do you want to do' dialog, even if the "always use this action" checkbox is checked?
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  2069. # [18:14] <NeilAway> Ms2ger: aValue isn't a bool... I suppose you could use !!aValue instead of static_cast<bool>(aValue)
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  2071. # [18:14] <Ms2ger> NeilAway, aValue == !!aValue should be a no-op for bools, no?
  2072. # [18:14] <Mook_as> mjrosenb: for things with content-disposition: attachment? yeah, annoying as that is. I think that's the right header anyway...
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  2077. # [18:16] <NeilAway> Ms2ger: I'm not following you... aValue isn't a bool...
  2078. # [18:16] <Ms2ger> NeilAway, exactly, what I said wouldn't make sense if it had been
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  2080. # [18:17] <Waldo> unless aValue.operator bool() does fun things, at least
  2081. # [18:18] <mjrosenb> Mook_as: can I check to see what the header is?
  2082. # [18:18] <decoder> rail-lunch: if you want then I can start building the most recent trunk version on my local machine and see if it builds properly and passes the tests (at least doesnt introduce new failures)
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  2084. # [18:19] <Mook_as> mjrosenb: I think the console thingy can do that for you? the network panel or whatever...
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  2095. # [18:21] <sewardj> jchen: pong
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  2101. # [18:24] <mjrosenb> Mook_as: and this is distinct from the mime type?
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  2105. # [18:24] <Mook_as> mjrosenb: right
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  2108. # [18:25] <mjrosenb> Mook_as: I'm guessing that it is something else that is sent along with the http header of the file to be downloaded?
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  2111. # [18:26] <Mook_as> mjrosenb: right, it's another http header...
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  2124. # [18:31] <jchen> sewardj: hey! right now i have some cycles to spend working on the profiler/unwinder. i talked to benoit, and he said to ask you to see if you have bugs that i can be working on
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  2132. # [18:35] <mccr8> ehsan: do you really need to use the WebAudio meta bug now that you have an entire component? ;)
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  2136. # [18:36] <@ehsan> mccr8: at some point I'm going to start using the web audio bug to track what we need for shipping it...
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  2138. # [18:36] <mccr8> ah makes sense!
  2139. # [18:36] <@ehsan> most of the bugs in this component need to be tracked that way
  2140. # [18:36] <@ehsan> sorry if I'm adding noise to your inbox :)
  2141. # [18:37] <mccr8> I mean, I can obviously just unsub from the bug, I was just curious. :)
  2142. # [18:37] <kbrosnan> you can use the stop mailing me for th is bug
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  2145. # [18:38] <@ehsan> mccr8: I think the distinctions between these types of bugs will get clearer in a couple of weeks (hopefully!)
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  2148. # [18:38] <mccr8> hah yeah
  2149. # [18:38] <@ehsan> froydnj: wrong bug? (706152)
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  2152. # [18:40] <froydnj> ehsan: indeed =/
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  2170. # [18:47] <gps> Yoric: you mean like bug 883209 or bug 859573?
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  2194. # [18:57] <Optimizer> are the pseudo elements, after and before supposed to be created inside of the element ?
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  2196. # [18:58] <Optimizer> as in, when I do label:after, I cannot see an element, but when I have input:after, I see the pseudo element after the text inside my input box, but within the bounding border of the input box
  2197. # [18:58] <Optimizer> NeilAway: ^
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  2199. # [18:58] <@roc> Optimizer: that's right
  2200. # [18:58] <mkaply> Anyone know what this is? While creating services from category 'profile-after-change', could not create service for entry 'nsprotector', contract ID '@mozilla.org/sp/nsprotector;1' - I can't find any reference to nsprotector in MXR
  2201. # [18:58] <@roc> they're inside
  2202. # [18:59] <Optimizer> so *that* is the reason that my label is not showing them
  2203. # [18:59] <Optimizer> label cannot have anything inside them
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  2206. # [18:59] <Optimizer> any singleton element that will allow pseudo elements ?
  2207. # [19:00] <Optimizer> roc: ^
  2208. # [19:00] <@roc> "singleton element"?
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  2210. # [19:00] <Optimizer> by singleton I mean, things like label, Text Node
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  2212. # [19:00] <Optimizer> etc
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  2215. # [19:00] <Optimizer> not having any anon content inside
  2216. # [19:00] <Optimizer> (unlike <textbox> or <input>)
  2217. # [19:00] <mkaply> Interesting. Win32.Downloader.gen
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  2219. # [19:01] <@roc> how about <span>?
  2220. # [19:01] <Optimizer> (I really want to speed things up and use the lightest xul element)
  2221. # [19:01] <mkaply> How the heck did that get on my machine
  2222. # [19:01] <@roc> hbox?
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  2225. # [19:02] <Optimizer> is it lighter than (or equal) to label ?
  2226. # [19:02] <NeilAway> Ms2ger: sorry, I was away... the code was trying to see whether aValue was the result of statically casting a bool to a uint32_t, so I suggested casting it to a bool and back to see if the value survived
  2227. # [19:02] * sheppy is now known as sheppy-afk
  2228. # [19:02] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/e61603f64470 - Steve Fink - Bug 868302 - Enable rooting LIFO assertions in DEBUG, r=terrence
  2229. # [19:02] <Optimizer> also, for an hbox then, I would have to create something inside to show the text
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  2231. # [19:02] <mkaply> freaking conduit
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  2233. # [19:03] <@roc> Optimizer: blocks will be created for you
  2234. # [19:04] <Optimizer> yeah, but hbox alone cannot display text, can it ?
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  2240. # [19:05] <@roc> hbox::after { content:"Hello"; display:block; } should display the text
  2241. # [19:05] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/866dbb8830d1 - Terrence Cole - Bug 886575 - Update TypedArray's data slot when doing fallback marking for minor GC; r=sfink
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  2243. # [19:05] <Optimizer> I need after and before for other pusposes
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  2246. # [19:05] <@roc> oh
  2247. # [19:06] <@roc> use <html:div> instead?
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  2249. # [19:06] <dustin> wow, so basically building any config except the "normal" config failus :(
  2250. # [19:06] <dustin> --disable-webm doesn't work
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  2253. # [19:06] <dustin> nor does --disable-crashreporter :(
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  2255. # [19:07] <Optimizer> roc: thanks for clearing things up. I will need to see what will suit best :)
  2256. # [19:07] <Ms2ger> dustin, well, yes
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  2258. # [19:07] <Optimizer> be really, pseudo elements should work everywhere :(
  2259. # [19:07] <Optimizer> s/be/but
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  2262. # [19:08] <Optimizer> how heavy is <textbox> from <label> in terms of creation ?
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  2264. # [19:10] <dustin> Ms2ger: are those worth bugs, or are the more or less known?
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  2266. # [19:10] <Ms2ger> dustin, we take patches to make them work, usually
  2267. # [19:10] <dustin> that's probably over my head atm :)
  2268. # [19:10] <Ms2ger> dustin, though sometimes that prompts a lets-kill-this-switch reaction :)
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  2271. # [19:11] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/0767250bcb88 - Sriram Ramasubramanian - Bug 884566: Don't show default activity until some activity is choosen for first time in QuickShare. [r=mfinkle]
  2272. # [19:11] <tbsaunde> dustin: that is pretty suprising I usually build with both of those
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  2275. # [19:12] <dustin> tbsaunde: if you pass --disable-webm, but don't have yasm installed, it still complains
  2276. # [19:12] <dustin> you probably have yasm
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  2279. # [19:13] <dustin> and --disable-crashreporter gets well into the build portion, then fails with a missing symbol "CrashReporter"
  2280. # [19:13] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/61be0e4a8df6 - Masatoshi Kimura - Bug 874669 - Remove legacy event type constants. r=smaug
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  2283. # [19:14] <Ms2ger> Again?
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  2292. # [19:17] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/e197329ada3e - Nick Hurley - bug 809969 - send GOAWAY frame when closing spdy3 sessions. r=mcmanus
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  2295. # [19:18] <Optimizer> so.. is there a magical way to do .textContent via setAttribute on a span/div ?
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  2297. # [19:19] <@smaug> Optimizer: er, what?
  2298. # [19:19] <nemo> hum. so I'm on the "This Connection is Untrusted" page and I noticed the yellow border officer reading passport icon was kinda blurry when zoomed a little. Guess it is a PNG and not an SVG. Weird thing tho was that right clicking on it and choosing view background image did nothing
  2299. # [19:19] <nemo> why does that option even exist if it does nothing...
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  2306. # [19:23] <dholbert> nemo, if you check error console, you see: "uncaught exception: Load of chrome://global/skin/icons/sslWarning.png from about:certerror denied."
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  2309. # [19:24] <dholbert> nemo, the option exists because it's just a web page, but it's in chrome so I guess we disable some things. not sure why that load in particular is disabled
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  2318. # [19:26] <@bsmedberg> philor: are all those purple "connection to the other side was lost" failures on my inbound push normal?
  2319. # [19:27] <Ms2ger> No
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  2321. # [19:27] <Ms2ger> But probably infra
  2322. # [19:27] <nemo> dholbert: aight. just seems odd to have context menus that don't do anything, but I guess is just blocked at some lower level as a security measure eh
  2323. # [19:27] <edmorley> bsmedberg: it's happening on multiple trees - infra
  2324. # [19:27] <dholbert> nemo, I guess so. I'm not clear on why
  2325. # [19:28] <dholbert> nemo, but yeah
  2326. # [19:28] <nemo> dholbert: ah. I guess it is same as attempting to View Image on the globe on about:home which also fails
  2327. # [19:28] <philor> "the new normal," yes
  2328. # [19:28] <nemo> er. View Background Image
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  2330. # [19:28] <dholbert> nemo, yup
  2331. # [19:28] <nemo> dholbert: noticed that one ages ago :)
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  2333. # [19:28] <nemo> amusingly View Image on the google logo works juuust fine
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  2335. # [19:28] <nemo> maybe the globe should be an image too, just to not weird out users
  2336. # [19:28] <dholbert> nemo, presumably it's just be things can't link to chrome:// URIs
  2337. # [19:28] <dholbert> or something like that
  2338. # [19:29] <dholbert> *just that
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  2341. # [19:29] <nemo> heh. yeah. clicking on the links in View Source does nothing too
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  2344. # [19:30] <reuben> nemo, wait, that should work
  2345. # [19:30] <reuben> nemo, it works here, goes to the view-source: of the link I clicked
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  2347. # [19:30] <dholbert> reuben, not if they're chrome:// URIs, apparently
  2348. # [19:30] <reuben> ah
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  2350. # [19:31] <nemo> reuben: ctrl-u on about:home
  2351. # [19:31] <nemo> reuben: wanted to look at the js/styling/icon32 etc
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  2371. # [19:35] <dustin> ok, I can't figure out the dep for AudioStream.h - http://pastebin.mozilla.org/2562105
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  2377. # [19:39] <Optimizer> roc: soo.. the reason I was avoiding using HTML elements was that they would not have .boxObject on them anymore :(
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  2380. # [19:39] <reuben> dustin, are you perhaps doing a partial build, and AudioStream isn't in dist/include yet?
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  2388. # [19:41] <dustin> reuben: it's not partial
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  2398. # [19:47] <romaxa> steve: why do you need to from trunk?
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  2400. # [19:47] <romaxa> steve: do you plan long term support product with security coverage?
  2401. # [19:47] <romaxa> steve: or what?
  2402. # [19:47] <steve> romaxa: because trunk is always going to stay live and up to date. your branch might die if you lose interest
  2403. # [19:48] <steve> yes.
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  2405. # [19:48] <romaxa> steve: there are 4 other devs work on that, and one company using it in future product
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  2407. # [19:48] <romaxa> steve: we need to push it into upstream, but need code-pre-review
  2408. # [19:49] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/d1fd89491708 - James Hugman - Bug 860782 - Move Android permission install to first run, from install. r=wesj, r=fabrice
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  2410. # [19:49] <romaxa> steve: review et.c.
  2411. # [19:49] <steve> that's nice for them. I need it in trunk. if it's that good it should be in trunk. others can get burnt if they like. playing it safe.
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  2415. # [19:49] <romaxa> steve: GTKEmbed was in trunk... and it was removed because noone had any interest to that
  2416. # [19:50] <steve> ok - sounds good. hopefully you will be able to get your code-pre-review if you think you're ready.
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  2418. # [19:50] <romaxa> steve: so having stuff in trun k is not sign of safety
  2419. # [19:50] <rail> decoder: sounds perfect to me!
  2420. # [19:50] <steve> romaxa: trunk is as safe as it gets.
  2421. # [19:50] <romaxa> steve: products and people interest make it safe
  2422. # [19:50] <steve> romaxa: stuff ofc leaves trunk if no-one wants them.
  2423. # [19:50] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/92b99343d466 - William Lachance - Bug 886882 - Mirror mozdevice 0.27;r=jhammel
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  2426. # [19:51] <mkaply> Is there some way to get the channel or something from the currently displayed page so that I can get the HTTP status code? Like if a page is a 401, is that stored somewhere that can easily be obtained?
  2427. # [19:51] <romaxa> steve: why you just not don't use chrome-embedded-zondes or Webkit2?
  2428. # [19:51] <romaxa> steve: it is already in trunk
  2429. # [19:51] <steve> romaxa: if your approach passes review, I will have increased confidence. right now it's too far out for me. hope you understand.
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  2431. # [19:52] <romaxa> steve: IIUC you are not planning to contribute... so you can just use whatever is in trunk of webkit... repos
  2432. # [19:52] <steve> already using winEmbed on windows. GtkEmbed is very close so that would keep my dev simple. but considering chromium embedded too.
  2433. # [19:52] <steve> got to keep my contribution light at the moment. it's not I don't want to contribute, it's I have a lot on.
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  2435. # [19:53] <romaxa> steve: we all have a lot on... I have 4 pending projects...
  2436. # [19:53] <steve> which is one more reason to not use your experimental approach. you don't have the resources to maintain it.
  2437. # [19:53] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/848dc57b455b - Jim Mathies - Bug 886109 - Add a call to PR_Now early in startup as an experimental work around for odd timing problems on Win8 test slaves. r=bbondy
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  2440. # [19:54] <steve> going to be a pain to get gtkEmbed working again but when it is working again it will stay working because I need it.
  2441. # [19:54] <romaxa> steve: I involved other people to contribute it... and make it supported on 5 platforms
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  2443. # [19:54] <steve> when it's core, I'm interested. until then I wish you the best of luck
  2444. # [19:55] <Standard8> ehsan: adw: I'm still figuring out how much this matters to TB, but I'm surprised that with the recent spell checker changes, we've now got a sync API calling an async one :-( (http://mxr.mozilla.org/comm-central/source/mozilla/extensions/spellcheck/src/mozInlineSpellChecker.cpp#769)
  2445. # [19:55] <steve> genuinely :)
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  2449. # [19:55] <@ehsan> Standard8: SetEnableRealtimeSpell is no longer synchronous
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  2453. # [19:56] <Standard8> ehsan: then why don't I get a callback?
  2454. # [19:56] <romaxa> steve: ok, good look you to find something you looking for :)
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  2456. # [19:56] <steve> like all these things, we have to make them happen :)
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  2459. # [19:56] <evilpie> bugzilla :(
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  2461. # [19:56] <@ehsan> Standard8: a callback for when the spell checking is done?
  2462. # [19:56] <romaxa> steve: keyword "we"... :)
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  2464. # [19:57] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/db840687751c - Luke Wagner - Bug 886285 - OdinMonkey: -0 should have type double (r=bbouvier)
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  2466. # [19:57] <steve> indeed. embedding is where developers from different trees meet.
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  2468. # [19:58] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/039f52615a8f - Terrence Cole - Bug 848592 - Fix some dynamic rooting analysis failures; r=sfink
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  2470. # [19:59] <steve> I will look at your work. might help diagnose the core Embed startup failure on trunk anyhow. thank you :)
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  2472. # [20:00] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/493686bf9295 - Marco Bonardo - Bug 877748 - Make it possible to open the Library with a given hierarchy
  2473. # [20:00] <Standard8> ehsan: huh, this is one of those moments, I wonder how I got into that function
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  2479. # [20:00] <@ehsan> Standard8: to be clear, spell checking was never quite synchronous... but I'm wondering why you need a callback in this case
  2480. # [20:00] <@ehsan> if you have a good use case we can definitely add one
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  2484. # [20:01] <romaxa> steve: another approach to keep project up to date and make people keep interest to that is try to use project, and push it forward... also material help useful from time to time :), more users for the project - less chance for this project to die
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  2493. # [20:03] <Standard8> ehsan: well, I'm trying to figure out why the inline spell checking changes have broken other stuff in the compose window. ATM the best lead I have is:
  2494. # [20:03] <Standard8> WARNING: NS_ENSURE_TRUE(aNode) failed: file /Users/moztest/comm/main/src/mozilla/editor/libeditor/base/nsEditor.cpp, line 3539
  2495. # [20:03] <Standard8> JavaScript error: resource://gre/modules/InlineSpellChecker.jsm, line 157: spellchecker is null
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  2497. # [20:03] <steve> understood but a bit of a mindfuck. got a ton of approaches I could take. gtkEmded just keeps things simple from my perspective. or it would if the damn thing worked.
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  2499. # [20:03] <romaxa> steve: but you can also help, look at the code, review it, test it, help to find problems, write more unit tests
  2500. # [20:03] <Standard8> ehsan: http://mxr.mozilla.org/comm-central/source/mozilla/toolkit/modules/InlineSpellChecker.jsm#155
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  2502. # [20:03] <steve> yeah I can do loads if I didn't already have loads to do. sorry - insanely busy.
  2503. # [20:04] <romaxa> steve: if you want performance and probably on mobile platform then gtkEmbed is not what you want for sure
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  2506. # [20:04] <steve> why ?
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  2508. # [20:04] <steve> I only want to hack through to the final opengl composited surface anyway.
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  2510. # [20:04] <steve> doesn't much matter what other crud is in the way, it's going to be bypassed anyway.
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  2512. # [20:05] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/8d90527c22c6 - Gregory Szorc - Bug 884587 - Part 1: Perform file removal with purge manifests; r=glandium
  2513. # [20:05] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/447ff64adbb1 - Gregory Szorc - Bug 884587 - Part 2: Add EXPORTS files to purge manifest; r=glandium
  2514. # [20:05] <steve> what is stopping your work being pushed towards trunk ?
  2515. # [20:05] <romaxa> steve: GTKEmbed has integrated widget which works only with GLX backend for now... and it is really hard to render somewhere else
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  2517. # [20:06] <romaxa> steve: and GTKEmbed has really old way of embedding
  2518. # [20:06] <steve> hitting the layermanager is all I need. the rest is fluff.
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  2522. # [20:06] <romaxa> steve: EmbedLite API has more flexible way to render GL Layers, into any context... wayland,QGLContet,raw egl context et.c.
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  2525. # [20:07] <steve> well, if you have an optimized layout renderer, it should be in trunk anyhow.
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  2527. # [20:07] <romaxa> steve: I'm not optimizing layout renderer
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  2529. # [20:07] <steve> then I'm not sure what this brings to the party
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  2531. # [20:08] <romaxa> steve: GTKEmbed does not provide good API for fast rendering...
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  2533. # [20:08] <steve> if it's just a wrapper, don't want wrappers. GTKEmbed is just a starting point. need a simple clean starting point. will handle the rest.
  2534. # [20:09] <steve> that's me. others might want the approach you're going for so not trying to put your work down.
  2535. # [20:09] <romaxa> steve: GTKEmbed also wrapper, but it is very old wrapper which does not allow to use latest innovations around Off Main Thread compositing
  2536. # [20:10] <Standard8> ehsan: there's definitely something broken in InlineSpellChecker.jsm, I don't think it knows how to handle the async stuff and so aborts. I'll try and file a bug later with an explanation of what I think is happening
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  2539. # [20:10] <Standard8> I have to go out now
  2540. # [20:10] <steve> GTKEmed is not a wrapper. it hits XPCOM direct. then fails to initialise it properly :P
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  2543. # [20:10] <romaxa> steve: and API which GTKEmbed using is not used anywhere except in headless Firefox OS child process
  2544. # [20:10] <steve> but the init failure is in gecko so that's mozilla side.
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  2547. # [20:10] <romaxa> steve: EmbedLite also hit XPCOM direct
  2548. # [20:11] <steve> right - so you have likely solved the initialize problem which is interesting.
  2549. # [20:11] <romaxa> steve: but with Threaded bridge
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  2551. # [20:11] <tbsaunde> hm, looks like /win 25
  2552. # [20:11] <romaxa> steve: and threaded bridge is pretty much same style as Android FF uses
  2553. # [20:11] <steve> don't want threaded weirdness in the way. want to hit in the same thread.
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  2556. # [20:12] <romaxa> steve: you probably need to read Gecko recent Graphics architecture in order to understand benefits
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  2558. # [20:12] <steve> you've added a layer of complexity that I'm feeling is just going to get in my way. maybe I'm wrong about that. will need to take a look. but it's one more thing to take a look at.
  2559. # [20:12] <steve> if it's a graphics architecture enhancement, it belongs in trunk. we're going in circles :)
  2560. # [20:13] <romaxa> steve: threaded layers support already added by mozilla and widely used in Android FF/ Firefox OS, but not in old style embedding
  2561. # [20:13] <romaxa> steve: so if you use old GTKMozembed you will hit almost not supported code
  2562. # [20:13] <steve> happy to use new style. but when it's in trunk. then I can have all the guarantee I'm going to get that it's here to stay.
  2563. # [20:13] <romaxa> steve: with EmbedLite I'm trying to hit as much as possible Widely supported Mozilla Graphics code
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  2567. # [20:14] <steve> so again, I wish you luck :) convince the seniors what you have is the way forwards, get it approved & integrated & meet you there :)
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  2569. # [20:14] <romaxa> steve: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Platform/GFX/OffMainThreadCompositing
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  2572. # [20:15] <steve> don't need to convince me, convince them. can't be an expert in everything. sorry.
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  2574. # [20:15] <steve> I'll trust it when its in trunk
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  2580. # [20:17] <dustin> oh, since 'mach build' doesn't work, I'm building per objdir.. (cd obj-*/modules/libmar && make) gives me http://pastebin.mozilla.org/2562284
  2581. # [20:17] <dustin> and a lot more - what defines printf, stderr, and all that stuff?
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  2591. # [20:19] <froydnj> libc, which ought to be linked to automatically
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  2596. # [20:21] <romaxa> steve: if you want to make anything happen, help to make it happen, it is opensource, nothing will happen just because you (one) want it. :)
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  2601. # [20:22] <steve> your tree is open source. mine isn't. I can't work for free even if you can.
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  2606. # [20:23] <steve> my tree interfaces to your tree. my understanding is this is within the terms of the license agreement.
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  2608. # [20:23] <steve> I'd like to do more to help but practical reality get in the way.
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  2612. # [20:24] <dustin> reuben: I figured it out - --disable-ogg doesn't work either
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  2614. # [20:24] <steve> regardless of what I do, you want your work in trunk. it'll be easier to maintain and will be used more. not understanding what's blocking that. anyone ?
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  2618. # [20:24] <dustin> that option casuses AudioStream.h to be omitted from dist/include, but then that file is expected elsewhere
  2619. # [20:24] <dustin> so now I'm buidling ogg for signmar :)
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  2622. # [20:25] <philor> that's for audio signing, you'll love it
  2623. # [20:25] <jlebar> Gosh, Bugzilla has been slow in the past few days.
  2624. # [20:25] <jlebar> Do I need to start monitoring it again so I can prove this in the court of law?
  2625. # [20:25] <dustin> jlebar: it's known, but nobody can seem to find out what's up, aiui
  2626. # [20:26] <jlebar> dustin: oh, that's good.
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  2628. # [20:26] <romaxa> steve: nothing block it, code need to be attached to bugzilla and reviewed
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  2630. # [20:26] <dustin> dunno the bug but I'm sure a (slow) search could find it for you :)
  2631. # [20:26] <froydnj> dustin: why are all these options not working for you?
  2632. # [20:26] <jlebar> dustin: Google searches all of bugzilla much fasted than bugzilla commits a change -- and that's on a good day. :)
  2633. # [20:26] <steve> romaxa: cool. good luck :)
  2634. # [20:26] <dustin> froydnj: presumably they haven't been tested
  2635. # [20:26] <romaxa> steve: but me lazy to prepare and do it... at least now
  2636. # [20:27] <froydnj> dustin: I know --disable-crashreporter works; --disable-webm and --disable-ogg definitely used to work
  2637. # [20:27] <steve> romaxa: me waiting ... :)
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  2639. # [20:27] <dustin> --disable-crashreporter led to an undefined symbol CrashReporter
  2640. # [20:27] <steve> I can't do that bit
  2641. # [20:27] <dustin> and re-enabling it made that error go away
  2642. # [20:27] <dustin> that's all I know :)
  2643. # [20:27] <dustin> (and installing libcurl)
  2644. # [20:27] <froydnj> boo
  2645. # [20:28] <dustin> I suspect a lot of these things "work" if you have their deps installed anyway
  2646. # [20:28] <dustin> e.g., webm would be that way
  2647. # [20:28] <dustin> but try uninstalling yasm and using --disable-webm
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  2649. # [20:28] <dustin> it will helpfully suggest that you use --disable-webm or install yasm :)
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  2651. # [20:29] <froydnj> that sounds like sloppiness in the configury
  2652. # [20:30] <NeilAway> actually, come to think of it, Optimizer should probably be using XBL at this point instead of mucking about with :before and :after in XUL
  2653. # [20:30] <dustin> yeah - of the bunch, that's probably the one I could manage to patch
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  2657. # [20:30] <@khuey> wow
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  2659. # [20:30] <@khuey> I pulled the tree
  2660. # [20:30] <@khuey> and there was no CLOBBER
  2661. # [20:30] <@khuey> this must be some kind of miracle
  2662. # [20:31] <reuben> khuey, bug 895982, we always clobber now
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  2667. # [20:32] <@khuey> reuben: :-P
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  2669. # [20:32] <Gijs> jmaher: ping
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  2685. # [20:38] <smirea> is there a way to view all xpcom services at app startup?
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  2697. # [20:42] <NeilAway> bah, if I'm on a breakpoint in js_ReportUncaughtException then why does call DumpJSStack() tell me that the stack is empty?
  2698. # [20:42] <dzbarsky> jduell: ping?
  2699. # [20:42] <jduell> dzbarsky: pong
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  2703. # [20:44] <dzbarsky> jduell: hi. I'm working on bug 879475
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  2705. # [20:45] <NeilAway> ah, because I'm breakpointing after the exception was uncaught and unwound the stack :s
  2706. # [20:45] <dzbarsky> jduell: I want to have PBrowser bridge two child processes, but that's causing issues because necko connects the child to the root process and tries to pass PBrowser, which doesn't exist on the parent side
  2707. # [20:45] <dzbarsky> jduell: could we do something else for bug 782542?
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  2756. # [21:01] <jmaher> Gijs: pong
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  2768. # [21:03] <Gijs> jmaher: do you know what kind of profile Firefox is running in the tspaint tests?
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  2770. # [21:03] <Gijs> jmaher: in particular, we're noticing with the UX builds that there seems to be some add-on that is (or used to be?) installed in it?
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  2775. # [21:05] <Mook_as> froydnj: I don't think --disable-webm works anymore, actually. :|
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  2778. # [21:05] <jmaher> Gijs: yeah, MattN was mentioning that to me. It appears that localstore.rdf has some definitions in it from many years ago;
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  2781. # [21:05] <jmaher> Gijs: I would really like to redefine the profiles- the more input the better so I could get a realistic proposal up on dev.platform
  2782. # [21:06] <froydnj> Mook_as: boo
  2783. # [21:06] <froydnj> that'd be nice to speed up local compiles
  2784. # [21:06] <Mook_as> at least, it broke my build at some point, so I had to turn it on :p
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  2788. # [21:06] <Gijs> jmaher: it'll probably mess with baselines though...
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  2790. # [21:07] <jmaher> Gijs: it will, but I will make a *new* test so we have historical data
  2791. # [21:07] <jduell> dzbarsky: sorry got distracted
  2792. # [21:07] <dzbarsky> jduell: i'm talking to jlebar about this right now
  2793. # [21:07] <dzbarsky> jduell: perhaps we should all chat
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  2795. # [21:07] <jlebar> indeed, we should.
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  2797. # [21:07] <jduell> ok then
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  2799. # [21:07] <jlebar> let me copy-paste from pm...sec.
  2800. # [21:08] <jlebar> <jlebar> So one way of framing it is that the problem is that we're using the fact that the root receives and deserializes TP with a given app-id as a security token.
  2801. # [21:08] <jlebar> <jlebar> That's the only reason the root cares to receive a TP, right?
  2802. # [21:08] <jlebar> <dzbarsky> from reading that bug, I think so
  2803. # [21:08] <jlebar> <jlebar> But we could do the security check without ever receiving a TP, I think.
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  2807. # [21:08] <jlebar> <jlebar> So long as the root can figure out who C's parent is.
  2808. # [21:08] <jlebar> <jlebar> If the root knows C is descended from B
  2809. # [21:08] <jlebar> <jlebar> And the root knows that B has browser permission...
  2810. # [21:08] <jlebar> then we're good.
  2811. # [21:08] <jduell> that sounds fine in theory, yes
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  2813. # [21:09] <dzbarsky> so instead of TabParent, we could pass ContentParent
  2814. # [21:09] <jduell> The only thing we really need validated is appID
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  2817. # [21:09] <jduell> So long as necko channels can QI their callbacks to ContentParent, that's fine
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  2819. # [21:09] <jlebar> dzbarsky: and then validate the app-id yourself, yes.
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  2825. # [21:10] <dzbarsky> jduell: what do you mean?
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  2831. # [21:11] <jduell> dzbarsky: I mean we need to be able to do something like this
  2832. # [21:11] <jduell> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/netwerk/protocol/http/HttpChannelChild.cpp#1053
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  2835. # [21:12] <jduell> and have it get whatever (PContentParent) instead of TabParent
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  2839. # [21:13] <dzbarsky> jduell: ah, I've seen that before but couldn't find where it was implemented?
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  2844. # [21:15] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/61102ea334c7 - Jonathan Wilde - Bug 886624 - Defect - Tests fail on HiDPI systems. r=jimm
  2845. # [21:16] <philor> gps: busted
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  2847. # [21:17] <_AxS_> hey all -- what's the process of making a release tarball from the sources now? used to be './configure && make dist', wasn't it?
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  2851. # [21:18] <Yoric> Mmmh...
  2852. # [21:18] <Yoric> Can I have a dependency of netwerk to toolkit?
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  2858. # [21:22] <Gijs> Yoric: what's the background?
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  2861. # [21:22] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/ff579fc118dd - Ryan VanderMeulen - Backed out 2 changesets (bug 884587)
  2862. # [21:23] <Yoric> Gijs: We have crashes in netwerk because of code that is initialized during shutdown, whereas it should just fail cleanly. I want to publish somewhere the current startup/shutdown status.
  2863. # [21:23] <Yoric> I did this in nsAppStartup, but that's in toolkit.
  2864. # [21:23] <Yoric> I'm looking for a better place to do this.
  2865. # [21:23] <Gijs> Yoric: how does that crash depend on toolkit state?
  2866. # [21:24] <Yoric> It doesn't depend on toolkit state, just on xpcom state.
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  2868. # [21:24] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/b99a907d9d97 - Ryan VanderMeulen - Backed out 2 changesets (bug 886618, bug 886657) for frequent OSX 10.7 mochitest-1 failures.
  2869. # [21:25] <Gijs> Yoric: I mean, intuitively, would it be OK to keep whatever kind of yes/no state inside netwerk and update that by listening to the startup/shutdown events on the observer service?
  2870. # [21:25] <Gijs> or is that a terrible idea?
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  2874. # [21:26] <Yoric> That's for code that's instantiated too late, so by the time it starts listening, the events have taken place already.
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  2877. # [21:28] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/77a8241ae55d - ffxbld - Automated checkin: version bump for firefox 23.0b1 release. DONTBUILD CLOSED TREE a=release
  2878. # [21:28] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/163f3b0630a5 - ffxbld - Added FIREFOX_23_0b1_RELEASE FIREFOX_23_0b1_BUILD1 tag(s) for changeset 77a8241ae55d. DONTBUILD CLOSED TREE a=release
  2879. # [21:28] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/165aad98ce0a - ffxbld - Automated checkin: version bump for fennec 23.0b1 release. DONTBUILD CLOSED TREE a=release
  2880. # [21:28] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/88cba74bb8f0 - ffxbld - Added FENNEC_23_0b1_RELEASE FENNEC_23_0b1_BUILD1 tag(s) for changeset 165aad98ce0a. DONTBUILD CLOSED TREE a=release
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  2882. # [21:29] <Yoric> Ah, well, I'll move the code to xpcom.
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  2886. # [21:31] <_AxS_> ..nobody knows/remembers how source tarballs get rolled now?
  2887. # [21:32] <_AxS_> or will, for mozilla-24 ?
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  2892. # [21:33] <@smaug> buuuggggzillllaaa... could you be any slower
  2893. # [21:34] <jcranmer> smaug: the answer is always yes
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  2898. # [21:36] <firebot> Check-in:
  2899. # [21:36] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/db34c0314a15 - Mihai Sucan - Bug 886199 - Fix for intermittent failure in browser_webconsole_bug_644419_log_limits.js | Timed out while waiting for: 10 console.log messages displayed and one pruned,
  2900. # [21:36] <firebot> and several more; r=me
  2901. # [21:36] <padenot> _AxS_: try `make package`
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  2903. # [21:36] <padenot> _AxS_: ah, source
  2904. # [21:36] <padenot> _AxS_: no idea, sorry
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  2909. # [21:37] <_AxS_> padenot: it used to be make dist, i'm sure of it.. but I know there was a process started sometime after moz-17 to convert it to not need ./configure run first.
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  2911. # [21:39] <padenot> I expect to run ./configure when building from source, though
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  2913. # [21:39] <_AxS_> padenot: building from source,yes. rolling tarballs for distribution, was undesirable for releng
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  2918. # [21:41] <_AxS_> ....whos that releng guy i was talking to last fall.. catlee , maybe?
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  2929. # [21:49] <jduell> jlebar|food: dzbarsky: oh, one other thing: we use the TabParent to pop up auth windows, so we'd need to make sure that works too
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  2931. # [21:50] <jduell> but that's a different codepath than the sec checks
  2932. # [21:50] <jduell> so I assume using the existing QI of callbacks for TabParent would still work for the auth case?
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  2941. # [21:58] <@bsmedberg> Is it possible in CSS to have a fixed-position box that text flows around?
  2942. # [21:59] <@dbaron> bsmedberg, no
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  2944. # [21:59] <dholbert> bsmedberg, that sounds like the exclusions proposal
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  2987. # [22:16] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/ca137844253f - Robert Strong - Bug 886647 - passed unused in TestAUSHelper.cpp. r=bbondy
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  2996. # [22:21] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/796961a384b4 - Gregory Szorc - Bug 884587 - Part 1: Perform file removal with purge manifests; r=glandium
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  2998. # [22:21] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/0244a34bc419 - Gregory Szorc - Bug 884587 - Part 2: Add EXPORTS files to purge manifest; r=glandium
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  3000. # [22:22] <mikeh> Does anyone know if console.log() or dump() output from .jsm files needs to be enabled somehow?
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  3003. # [22:23] <jlebar> mikeh: in b2g, it should just work.
  3004. # [22:23] <jlebar> mikeh: in desktop, it needs to be enabled.
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  3006. # [22:23] <reuben> NeilAway, JS stack? exception.stack?
  3007. # [22:23] <jlebar> mikeh: there's a pref in about:config.
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  3009. # [22:23] <NeilAway> reuben: ah yes, I just found that, thanks
  3010. # [22:24] <mikeh> jlebar: okay, I've been trying to coax output from Webapps.jsm, but neither method generates anything in logcat.
  3011. # [22:24] <jlebar> mikeh: on desktop, or b2g?
  3012. # [22:24] <jlebar> * oh, logcat
  3013. # [22:24] <jlebar> um.
  3014. # [22:24] <mikeh> jlebar: b2g, inari.
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  3018. # [22:25] <mikeh> jlebar: logcat. (We have too many logging methods.)
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  3021. # [22:25] <jlebar> mikeh: don't worry, I'm going to add another one. :)
  3022. # [22:25] <froydnj> what controls the loading of browser.xul?
  3023. # [22:25] <jlebar> mikeh: I think the Dump() in a JSM calls into this file: http://dxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/js/xpconnect/loader/mozJSComponentLoader.cpp
  3024. # [22:25] <jlebar> mikeh: I was looking through http://dxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/search?q=Dump%20function%3ADump
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  3026. # [22:26] <jlebar> mikeh: are you sure execution is getting to your dump() call? If we hit an exception before the Dump(), we sometimes swallow /those/ silently.
  3027. # [22:26] <jlebar> mikeh: you could put a dump right at the top of the JSM?
  3028. # [22:27] <mikeh> jlebar: I put the dump/log after the only immediate line at the bottom of Webapps.jsm, but I'll try it at the top.
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  3032. # [22:27] <froydnj> gps: where there's smoke..
  3033. # [22:27] <philor> gps: one does not simply ... remove files on Windows
  3034. # [22:28] <jlebar> mikeh: how are you recompiling?
  3035. # [22:28] <mikeh> jlebar: ./build.sh gecko && ./flash.sh gecko
  3036. # [22:28] <jlebar> mikeh: that should work...
  3037. # [22:28] <gps> wat
  3038. # [22:28] <mikeh> jlebar: (that was actually my next question.)
  3039. # [22:29] <gps> philor: I just retriggered. wtf
  3040. # [22:29] <gps> the sad part is I won't be able to reproduce this on try because try clobbers
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  3043. # [22:30] <philor> gps: we have enormous workarounds for the unwillingness of files to go away on Windows, like talos moves directories, tries to remove them, then at startup tries to remove any that couldn't be removed by a previous run
  3044. # [22:30] <dzbarsky> jduell: well the real issue is that there may be no TabParent in the root process
  3045. # [22:30] <dzbarsky> jduell: thats what we're trying to solve here
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  3047. # [22:30] <gps> philor: if you see it again, back me out *sigh*
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  3049. # [22:30] <jduell> dzbarsky: aha. Ok, I'm sending an email to folks who know more than me. You'll be cc'd
  3050. # [22:31] <philor> (and then, I think, depends on the uniqueness of random names to get away with failing to ever delete them)
  3051. # [22:31] <gps> well, use typical intermittent rules, I guess
  3052. # [22:31] <dzbarsky> jduell: cool
  3053. # [22:31] <gps> it worked on the initial landing, so ???
  3054. # [22:31] <froydnj> intermittent burnings are...suboptimal
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  3057. # [22:32] <dzbarsky> gps: ping?
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  3059. # [22:33] <gps> dzbarsky: pong
  3060. # [22:33] <jduell> dzbarsky: what's the bug # for this again"
  3061. # [22:33] <jduell> ?
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  3063. # [22:33] <dzbarsky> gps: any idea why https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=33967f39d496 failed? do I have to add something to removed-files?
  3064. # [22:33] <dzbarsky> jduell: 879475
  3065. # [22:34] <gps> dzbarsky: Error: /builds/slave/try-lx-d-000000000000000000000/build/obj-firefox/browser/installer/package-manifest:77: Missing file(s): bin/components/content_htmldoc.xpt
  3066. # [22:34] <gps> the packager now errors if it sees files that aren't registered
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  3072. # [22:35] <gps> dzbarsky: you need to update a manifest somewhere. which one, I don't know (I don't know what your patches did)
  3073. # [22:36] <dzbarsky> gps: I removed content/html/document/public/moz.build which had XPIDL_MODULE = 'content_htmldoc'
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  3076. # [22:36] <@ehsan> gps: are these reds caused by your patch?
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  3080. # [22:37] <gps> ehsan: likely
  3081. # [22:37] <@ehsan> :(
  3082. # [22:37] <@bsmedberg> Pike: ping
  3083. # [22:37] <gps> philor, RyanVM: want to back out?
  3084. # [22:37] <@ehsan> gps: can you back out please?
  3085. # [22:37] <RyanVM> yep
  3086. # [22:37] <dzbarsky> gps: so I just remove the @BINPATH@/components/content_htmldoc.xpt lines from the manifests?
  3087. # [22:37] <@ehsan> I can do it
  3088. # [22:37] <@ehsan> I was about to push something anyways
  3089. # [22:38] <mikeh> jlebar: no love. What's that about:config pref? I'll try that.
  3090. # [22:38] <RyanVM> ehsan: go for it
  3091. # [22:38] <@ehsan> ty
  3092. # [22:38] <gps> "one does not simply unlink files on windows" indeed
  3093. # [22:38] <jlebar> mikeh: browser.dom.window.dump.enabled. But I don't think that will help if you're in a jsm.
  3094. # [22:38] <jlebar> mikeh: given the name...
  3095. # [22:38] <gps> who maintains this joke of a build system?!
  3096. # [22:39] <@ehsan> gps: gps :P
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  3098. # [22:39] <mikeh> jlebar: where does the output normally go? stdout?
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  3100. # [22:39] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/3ccbd6d8354e - Ehsan Akhgari - Bug 886690 - Make sure that the test case for bug 880202 will pass if Web Audio is disabled
  3101. # [22:39] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/301c184ae8e7 - Ehsan Akhgari - Backed out 2 changesets (bug 884587) because of Windows build bustage on a CLOSED TREE
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  3103. # [22:40] <gps> can someone remind me how to dump/log observer notifications?
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  3107. # [22:41] <jlebar> gps: I just looked at this.
  3108. # [22:42] * gps prepares to edit https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Observer_Notifications
  3109. # [22:42] <jlebar> gps: assuming your build has pr logging enabled...
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  3112. # [22:42] <jlebar> gps: actually, just see the comment at the top of xpcom/ds/nsObserverService.cpp
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  3114. # [22:42] <jlebar> gps: I'm going to change it in bug 881389, fwiw.
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  3116. # [22:42] <RyanVM> yay, a new intermittent orange for bsmedberg
  3117. # [22:43] <@bsmedberg> oh?
  3118. # [22:43] <@bsmedberg> RyanVM: which one?
  3119. # [22:43] <RyanVM> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=24575848&tree=Mozilla-Inbound
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  3121. # [22:43] <RyanVM> started on the push after yorus
  3122. # [22:43] <RyanVM> two on inbound
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  3124. # [22:43] <@bsmedberg> oh lovely
  3125. # [22:44] <ialagenchev> I want to add a new class and interface. How should I instantiate the objects, so that I don't cause leaks? Do I need to add new contract ids, so that do_CreateInstance will work ?
  3126. # [22:44] <mikeh> jlebar: I don't suppose you know where prefs are stored in b2g? :-)
  3127. # [22:44] <Pike> bsmedberg: pong
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  3129. # [22:45] <@bsmedberg> Pike: I wrote a localization guide for bug 880735, can you communicate it to the l10n community? https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=880735#c39
  3130. # [22:45] <mikeh> jlebar: oh, $B2G/gecko/b2g/app/b2g.js, looks like.
  3131. # [22:45] <@bsmedberg> RyanVM: that error basically means "focus switched away from the current window"
  3132. # [22:45] <jlebar> mikeh: That's one of them.
  3133. # [22:45] * @bsmedberg wonders what could be causing that and what to do about it
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  3139. # [22:46] <dzbarsky> jduell: the prompt auth also assumes that the mozbrowser frame lives in the root process, which isn't the case when browser runs oop
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  3142. # [22:48] <dzbarsky> jduell: not sure if thats what you're talking about in your email
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  3144. # [22:48] * jcranmer has a wild idea
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  3146. # [22:49] <jcranmer> how about we clean out all "obsolete in Gecko X" content from MDN where X < 17?
  3147. # [22:49] <Pike> bsmedberg: posted to .l10n and tweeted, thanks for setting that up
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  3150. # [22:49] <Ms2ger> jcranmer, wild
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  3152. # [22:50] <jduell> dzbarsky: to pop up the prompt does the tab process need to talk to the root process or the browser process?
  3153. # [22:50] <jcranmer> and the "new in Firefox 3" stuff
  3154. # [22:50] <@bsmedberg> jcranmer: while we're at it, remove all the XPCOM interface docs
  3155. # [22:50] <Ms2ger> sheppy will like that
  3156. # [22:50] * @bsmedberg has been slowly getting rid of all the embedding guides
  3157. # [22:51] * @bsmedberg isn't sure whether Ms2ger is serious or not
  3158. # [22:51] <sheppy> jcranmer: not yet
  3159. # [22:51] <jcranmer> bsmedberg: one of my secret plans is to make DXR record doxygen output
  3160. # [22:51] <sheppy> jcranmer: We will have a system for, in essence, archiving that information sometime before a whole lot longer.
  3161. # [22:51] <Ms2ger> bsmedberg, oh come on, it's me
  3162. # [22:51] <dzbarsky> jduell: I have no idea. if it's asking for permissions before showing the prompt, it sounds like it wants to talk to root process
  3163. # [22:51] * Ms2ger puts up his sarcasm sign
  3164. # [22:51] <sheppy> So that you can hide that obsolete information most of the time but see it if you really do care.
  3165. # [22:51] <@bsmedberg> isn't that what wiki history is for?
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  3167. # [22:52] <sheppy> bsmedberg: Meh.
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  3169. # [22:52] <sheppy> History is for undoing things when people screw up :)
  3170. # [22:52] <Ms2ger> Fishing stuff out of history sucks
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  3172. # [22:52] <jduell> dzbarsky: may depend too on whether its a model popup or not. I don't know this code at all. Honza may know.;
  3173. # [22:52] <@bsmedberg> Fishing ou "new in Firefox 3" should suck
  3174. # [22:53] <@bsmedberg> unless this new system carefully sets noindex on all its pages
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  3177. # [22:53] <sheppy> You guys have given me an idea though. What about simply making it so we could label specific revisions as "this is the last one with information about Firefox X?", so they'd be easy to find in the history? Maybe with a way to browse these specially labeled history entries?
  3178. # [22:54] <sheppy> That would probably take less time than any fancy system for hiding and showing info about old releases, and probably wouldn't be bad to use either.
  3179. # [22:55] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/1d07c8c75774 - Terrence Cole - Bug 879079 - Fix rooting analysis bugs from calls to ToNumber; r=sfink
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  3187. # [22:58] <sheppy> Wow, that got an enthusiastic response :)
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  3189. # [22:58] <jcranmer> it's easier to complain than to be constructive
  3190. # [22:58] <Ms2ger> Totally, dude
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  3192. # [22:59] <sheppy> That's true. :)
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  3195. # [23:01] <reuben> bsmedberg++
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  3203. # [23:04] <mikeh> jlebar: nope, that pref didn't make any difference.
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  3205. # [23:05] <tbsaunde> jlebar: you really think an out of line call and mucking around with our hash tables every time someone wants to log is going to be ok?
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  3207. # [23:07] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/cf5b7971c179 - Jonathan Wilde - Bug 885541 - Work - Move devtools icons in app bar into hamburger menu. r=fryn
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  3212. # [23:09] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/0e057e794ada - Mike Shal - Bug 886827 - remove extraneous space from moz.build file; r=joey
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  3218. # [23:10] <mikeh> jlebar: nor does anything appear in stdout.
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  3220. # [23:11] <Ms2ger> Oh hey, it's Shaver Day tomorrow
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  3228. # [23:18] <jcranmer> jlebar: a simple array might be faster than hashtables for lookup since only one or two log modules are likely going to be specified
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  3231. # [23:19] <stuart> is there an equivelant of -webkit-line-clamp in firefox?
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  3233. # [23:19] <jlebar> jcranmer: I'm expecting that the majority of the overhead will come from locking / printing.
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  3235. # [23:20] <jlebar> jcranmer: but that remains to be seen; that might be the right optimization.
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  3237. # [23:20] <jcranmer> also, you can't redirect output to a file? o_O
  3238. # [23:20] <jlebar> jcranmer: hey, I did say WIP!
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  3242. # [23:20] <jlebar> jcranmer: I'm not convinced it's necessary, though. You can do that in bash...
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  3244. # [23:21] <jcranmer> jlebar: that's very nice for everyone who runs on a system where they only log from running a file or script to enable it
  3245. # [23:21] <jcranmer> not very nice for people on Windows
  3246. # [23:21] <jcranmer> and it makes things like this extension impossible
  3247. # [23:21] <jcranmer> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/addon/loghelper/
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  3251. # [23:22] <jlebar> The purpose of this add-on is to allow people to dynamically enable and disable logging facilities while the application is running.
  3252. # [23:22] <jlebar> Cool.
  3253. # [23:22] <jlebar> jcranmer: okay, you convinced me.
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  3255. # [23:22] <jcranmer> (actually, I'd really like to log to other places than a file, but a file is much better than stdout)
  3256. # [23:23] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/05ba2e9812df - Chenxia Liu - Bug 886916 - Regression: Multiple-level settings screens do not handle "back" correctly. r=margaret
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  3258. # [23:23] <jcranmer> also, the way that works is a giant, ugly hack that will break if someone sneezes in NSPR
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  3260. # [23:24] <jlebar> jcranmer: well, it will be easier to intergrate with this stuff.
  3261. # [23:24] <jlebar> that's for sure.
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  3271. # [23:27] <ochameau> jlebar: hi, I'm having questions about message managers and apps. smaug suggested me to talk to you about that.
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  3274. # [23:28] <@smaug> (this was about mozbrowser case, IIRC)
  3275. # [23:28] <ochameau> jlebar: I have a usecase, for devtools, where I would like to load a frame script on all existing apps. for none of the existing message manager APIs allows me to do that. (globalmessagemanager, nor parentprocessmanager)
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  3279. # [23:29] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/ebb769e9cc34 - Ryan VanderMeulen - Backed out changeset db34c0314a15 (bug 886199) for intermittent browser_webconsole_bug_644419_log_limits.js timeouts.
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  3282. # [23:29] <ochameau> jlebar: I can't call any loadFrameScript method that will load the script on all existing apps, nor list all iframes's message managers and call loadFrameScript individually
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  3284. # [23:30] <jlebar> ochameau: indeed
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  3286. # [23:30] <jlebar> ochameau: do you need guidance writing such a feature?
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  3288. # [23:30] <tbsaunde> jcranmer: in theory you could change the file that is stdout, but I have no idea what in gecko will explode if you try that
  3289. # [23:31] <ochameau> jlebar: so far I'm work around that limitation in various ways, but I was wondering if we could tweak the existing code to allow such thing?
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  3293. # [23:32] <jlebar> ochameau: sure, what you're asking for sounds reasonable, at least offhand.
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  3296. # [23:32] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/48e25edf3e28 - Jonathan Kew - bug 878674 - pt 2 - clean up obsolete copies of packaged fonts from the Android filesystem. r=blassey
  3297. # [23:32] * geekboy is now known as geekboy|afk
  3298. # [23:32] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/7aaddad27d17 - Jonathan Kew - bug 878674 - pt 1 - load Fennec bundled fonts directly from omnijar without copying them out to the filesystem. r=roc
  3299. # [23:32] <jcranmer> tbsaunde: then how do you separate the log lines from what is meant to go stdout?
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  3308. # [23:34] <tbsaunde> jcranmer: I'mm dubious that's something you want, but its true you can't really do that if you always log to stdout, though maybe you should really be logging to stderr
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  3310. # [23:35] <ochameau> jlebar: If that limitation isn't intentional, I think jimm can work on this. actually he was trying to do something more of less similar but without integrating into message manager APIs (bug 797627).
  3311. # [23:35] <ochameau> sorry, I meant jimb, not jimm.
  3312. # [23:35] <ochameau> jimb: ^^
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  3340. # [23:51] <jgilbert> akeybl: ping
  3341. # [23:51] <akeybl> hi jgilbert
  3342. # [23:52] <jgilbert> akeybl: I had a patch asking for aurora approval that got approved today (by you), but was requested against aurora23
  3343. # [23:52] <akeybl> whoops
  3344. # [23:52] <akeybl> bug me
  3345. # [23:52] <jgilbert> akeybl: should I re-request approval for now-beta23?
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