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  22. # [00:29] <@smaug> whaaat, "close other tabs" doesn't have the confirmation prompt anymore
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  24. # [00:30] * @smaug just lost 150 tabs
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  29. # [00:35] <ckitching> CTRL+SHIFT+T to the rescue?
  30. # [00:35] <ckitching> smaug.
  31. # [00:36] <ckitching> On a related note, I keep hitting CTRL+Q when I want CTRL+W.
  32. # [00:36] <ckitching> It's annoying that those buttons are adjacent.
  33. # [00:36] <@smaug> ckitching: that doesn't help
  34. # [00:36] <@smaug> CTRK+SHIFT+T
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  36. # [00:37] <ckitching> Oh. Doesn't that do reopen last closed tab?
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  38. # [00:37] <ckitching> Or am I thinking of Chrome? *whistles innocently*
  39. # [00:37] <@smaug> ckitching: sure, last closed tab
  40. # [00:37] <@smaug> but I closed 150 tabs
  41. # [00:37] <dougt> bz: you know that override list is just going to get longer. :/
  42. # [00:38] <ckitching> Hm.
  43. # [00:38] <@smaug> ckitching: I think that shortcut does the same as the menu entry
  44. # [00:38] <@smaug> restores only some tabs
  45. # [00:39] <ckitching> Hmm.
  46. # [00:40] <ckitching> So the solution seems to be "Don't do that again.".
  47. # [00:40] <@smaug> yeah
  48. # [00:40] <@smaug> this is a very recent regression
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  53. # [00:40] <@smaug> filed Bug 896291
  54. # [00:40] <ckitching> You sure you didn't just tick the box to disable the warning?
  55. # [00:42] <@smaug> ckitching: I just reproduced with another profile
  56. # [00:42] <ckitching> Ah.
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  91. # [01:15] <daleharvey> anton: how to I make jshint not care about the order functions are defined / used in? (without losing other undefined errors)
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  311. # [06:23] <nthomas> roc: did you see the red on inbound ?
  312. # [06:24] <@roc> looking...
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  314. # [06:25] <Callek> is nick a sheriff now?
  315. # [06:25] <@roc> pushed fix
  316. # [06:26] <nthomas> I will leave that job to the fine folks already doing it
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  320. # [06:32] <Callek> sorry had to tease when you're pointing out inbound bustages
  321. # [06:33] <nthomas> *obiwan hand wave* you do not see me starring errors there
  322. # [06:36] <Callek> hahaha
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  380. # [07:53] <mjrosenb> if I want printf_stderr, in code that doesn't need to know about xpcom what header do I need to include, still xpcom/glue/nsDebug.h?
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  389. # [07:55] <Mano> Anyone following ES6 around? I'm trying to figure out whether or not it's a good idea to use __proto__ in new code.
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  392. # [07:58] <heycam> Mano, it's defined in the "eww, stuff browser need but which we don't particularly like" section of the spec, so maybe not
  393. # [07:58] <heycam> *browsers
  394. # [07:59] <heycam> oh, it's even not in that section: http://people.mozilla.org/~jorendorff/es6-draft.html#sec-F.0.1
  395. # [07:59] <Mano> If it's part of the spec, it's part of the spec regardless the sentiment.
  396. # [07:59] <heycam> no idea how section F fits in with all of the other section numbering
  397. # [07:59] <heycam> I guess you don't decide whether to use a feature based on whether it's in the spec at all, though
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  399. # [08:00] <Mano> i need to extend an array object and i just learned the hard way how awfully verbose the ES5 alternatives are
  400. # [08:00] <heycam> yeah, there's still no good way to extend Array :\
  401. # [08:00] <mjrosenb> how else would you do inheritance stuff without __proto__?
  402. # [08:00] <Mano> so if __proto__ is now kosher, i will just adopt it and move on.
  403. # [08:00] <Mano> Object.create(
  404. # [08:01] <@roc> anyone know how DOM event handlers and promises are going to fit together? It seems like it would be nice to have a promise-based way to wait until every event in some set of events has fired
  405. # [08:01] <heycam> I'm not sure Object.create() pointing to an array instance will do what you want. if I'm right in guessing you want [0], [1], etc. to work like plain arrays on thato bject
  406. # [08:01] * Mano wonders how JS consumers how supposed to implement web IDL interface which are array-like
  407. # [08:02] <heycam> it's still kind of an open question
  408. # [08:02] <heycam> proxies?
  409. # [08:02] <heycam> to do the Blah[] type that Web IDL has
  410. # [08:02] <heycam> though we still might get rid of them, since nobody seems to like them
  411. # [08:02] <Mano> proxies?
  412. # [08:02] <Mano> i just liked them for few seconds
  413. # [08:03] <Mano> so it was just me?
  414. # [08:03] <heycam> heh
  415. # [08:03] <heycam> they'd be the only way to create an object that behaves like an array, I think
  416. # [08:03] <heycam> though you still can't make it return true to Array.isArray()
  417. # [08:03] <mjrosenb> /home/mjrosenb/src/central/central-armv6/js/src/ion/arm/Assembler-arm.cpp:825: undefined reference to `printf_stderr'
  418. # [08:03] <mjrosenb> (
  419. # [08:03] <mjrosenb> err, :(
  420. # [08:03] <Mano> i *tried* to use proxies for something, but then it turned out i cannot freeze the underlying object if i do
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  422. # [08:03] <heycam> oh yeah
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  424. # [08:03] <Mano> kinda useless
  425. # [08:03] <Mano> :-/
  426. # [08:04] <heycam> I dunno, I've never really used freezing/sealing
  427. # [08:04] * Mano checks isArray
  428. # [08:05] <heycam> Mano, what Web IDL defined interface are you implementing?
  429. # [08:05] <Mano> heycam: i'm not, i just realized the same issue would raise there
  430. # [08:05] <heycam> ah k
  431. # [08:05] <Mano> i'm implementing something similar to HTML 5 undo manager
  432. # [08:06] <Mano> which has [0-n], length getters on the manager object
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  435. # [08:07] <Mano> Array.isArray works with __proto__
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  438. # [08:08] <heycam> I thought Array.isArray checked the internal array-ness of the object
  439. # [08:09] <Mano> oh wait
  440. # [08:09] <heycam> http://people.mozilla.org/~jorendorff/es6-draft.html#sec-15.4.2.2 "2. If arg is an exotic Array object, then return true."
  441. # [08:09] * heycam awaits ES7 defining up/down/charm/strange objects
  442. # [08:09] <Mano> yeah you're write
  443. # [08:10] <Mano> sigh
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  445. # [08:10] <Mano> so proxies are going away?
  446. # [08:11] <Mano> that means i shouldn't use them either.
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  459. # [08:26] <heycam> Mano, oh, they are?
  460. # [08:27] <Mano> heycam: that was what i understood from your comment "though we still might get rid of them, since nobody seems to like them"
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  462. # [08:27] <Mano> wasn't that about proxies?
  463. # [08:27] <heycam> Mano, oh sorry, I meant Blah[] types in Web IDL
  464. # [08:27] <Mano> ah ah
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  467. # [08:28] <Mano> but how could Blah[] go away?
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  469. # [08:28] <heycam> most APIs use sequence<Blah>
  470. # [08:28] <heycam> which are real native Array objects
  471. # [08:29] <heycam> Blah[] is a custom object kind of like a NodeList
  472. # [08:29] <heycam> and I don't think it's been used much
  473. # [08:29] <Mano> but the DOM is filled with stuff like that
  474. # [08:29] <Mano> esp. NodeList
  475. # [08:30] <heycam> NodeList itself can stay :)
  476. # [08:30] <heycam> but using "Blah[]" syntax to mean "a host object that has array index properties, much like a NodeList, but which isn't quite a real Array object" might change
  477. # [08:32] <Mano> ah
  478. # [08:32] <Mano> got it
  479. # [08:33] <Mano> though i'm still not sure how would something like this be implement in js
  480. # [08:33] <Mano> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/dom/webidl/UndoManager.webidl?force=1
  481. # [08:33] <Mano> it doesn't use Blah[]
  482. # [08:33] <heycam> yeah, sequence<> just means you can return an Array object
  483. # [08:34] <Mano> with the additional properties?
  484. # [08:34] <Mano> so let obj = [];. obj.method = ...; ?
  485. # [08:35] <heycam> the UndoManager itself doesn't look array-like
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  487. # [08:35] <heycam> just the return value from getItem()
  488. # [08:35] <heycam> item() that is
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  490. # [08:36] <heycam> if there was "getter" on the item(), so that the UndoManager did have array index properties, then you'd need to implement it as a proxy
  491. # [08:36] <Mano> ah, oh. for some reason i though there's no "item" method for consumers
  492. # [08:36] <Mano> nvm i'm an idiot
  493. # [08:36] <Mano> or maybe the spec is just odd.
  494. # [08:37] <Mano> i see, thanks.
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  639. # [11:27] <padenot> is bitch merged to central?
  640. # [11:27] <padenot> ha
  641. # [11:27] <padenot> birch of course
  642. # [11:28] <ewong> Freudian slip.. :)
  643. # [11:28] <padenot> hehe
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  647. # [11:30] <edmorley> padenot: yeah
  648. # [11:30] <padenot> edmorley: thanks
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  658. # [11:39] <dougt> dao1: ping?
  659. # [11:40] <dao1> dougt: pong
  660. # [11:40] <dougt> can you pick up 896114?
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  663. # [11:40] <dougt> i think it should be a b2g blocker for perf reasons.
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  666. # [11:44] <dao1> dougt: your pathological is interesting, but I think we need more data to show that it's a common problem for b2g
  667. # [11:44] <dao1> s/your pathological/your pathological case/
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  669. # [11:45] <freddyb> I have a test that includes a big json blob. what's the recommended way of doing it? store it in a file alongside the test?
  670. # [11:45] <dougt> i think it is pretty obvious from looking at what the code does that every request is going to take a hit
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  672. # [11:45] <dougt> i'll send mail and see if you can get some time to work on it.
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  675. # [11:54] <dao1> dougt: of course http-on-modify-request observers don't have zero cost, but is it a significant cost for the average web page on b2g?
  676. # [11:55] <dao1> dougt: also, I'm not sure there's much to optimize in the jsm itself. if you want it rewritten in c++, I'm probably not your best bet
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  680. # [11:59] <dougt> with the current set of overrides that we use on b2g, loading m.cnn.com, ~3% of total load time is string compares in UserAgentOverrides.
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  682. # [11:59] <dougt> on amazon, i am seeing ~5
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  685. # [12:01] <@smaug> huh
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  688. # [12:05] <@smaug> dougt: do we have SPS running well on b2g ?
  689. # [12:05] <dougt> (about to run out of power here… and my brain is just about off)
  690. # [12:05] <dougt> what is sps?
  691. # [12:06] <@smaug> profiler
  692. # [12:06] <@smaug> gecko profiler
  693. # [12:06] * @smaug should ask BenWa
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  697. # [12:07] <chrismills> Hi all - I am investigating a problem with the documentation on https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Developer_Guide/Build_Instructions/Mac_OS_X_Prerequisites. I've got Xcode and Homebrew set up fine, but when you run the one line setup (see top of doc), it fails with a message "Error: python-2.7.5 already installed". Has anything changed recently, which would require an update to these instructions?
  698. # [12:08] <Ms2ger> chrismills, strange that that would be an error... Could you file?
  699. # [12:09] <Ms2ger> Core::Build Config, I think
  700. # [12:09] <dao1> dougt: I suppose we could cache the override (or that there's no override) for each host to avoid having to do the string compares for every request. would you like me to try that?
  701. # [12:09] <chrismills> Ms2ger: ok, I will do. Cheers!
  702. # [12:09] <Ms2ger> Thanks
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  709. # [12:22] <Gijs> Has anyone filed google's homepage ad for chrome overlapping the sign in button on recent nightlies?
  710. # [12:22] * Gijs can't figure out if it's an elaborate troll
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  713. # [12:25] <Gijs> Eh, fixed on latest latest nightly again. Ah well. :)
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  814. # [14:31] <decoder> rail_away: thanks for the mail, ill look into it :)
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  816. # [14:34] <rail> np
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  822. # [14:39] <decoder> nix wieso?
  823. # [14:39] <decoder> ww
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  842. # [14:55] <daleharvey> So I cant push to mozilla repos from my house
  843. # [14:55] <daleharvey> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/2686910
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  845. # [14:56] <daleharvey> I have had this error forever, went to the moz offfices last week and could push, now back home and error again
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  857. # [15:02] <@smaug> daleharvey: I think I've seen something similar perhaps 3 months ago, and rebooting my machine helped
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  879. # [15:17] <jyeo> who is the right person to review a patch for mach? https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=895451
  880. # [15:17] <@ehsan> jyeo: gps
  881. # [15:18] <jyeo> oh. okay
  882. # [15:18] <jyeo> thanks ehsan
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  954. # [16:02] <@ehsan> is there anybody running Nightly on Windows?
  955. # [16:02] <padenot> I am
  956. # [16:02] <RyanVM> ehsan: how recent
  957. # [16:02] <RyanVM> ?
  958. # [16:02] <@ehsan> fairly recent
  959. # [16:02] * RyanVM updated his build a day or two ago
  960. # [16:02] <@ehsan> that's fine!
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  962. # [16:02] <@ehsan> can you please try cubeslam.com?
  963. # [16:02] <@ehsan> and see if you can play, and if you get sound?
  964. # [16:02] <no_gravity> Hello! Just noticed, that when saving imap mails, the format is "subject - from - date.eml" wouldnt it be better to have the date at the beginning so one can sort the messages chronologically?
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  967. # [16:03] <RyanVM> ehsan: I can play, but no sound
  968. # [16:03] <@ehsan> hmm
  969. # [16:03] <@ehsan> is there anything logged to the error console?
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  973. # [16:04] <no_gravity> ^ that was for thunderbird by the way. i think i should go to the thunderbird developer channel, right? what was its name?
  974. # [16:04] <RyanVM> ehsan - [10:06:32.424] NS_ERROR_FAILURE: Component returned failure code: 0x80004005 (NS_ERROR_FAILURE) [IPeerConnection.initialize] @ resource://gre/components/PeerConnection.js:331
  975. # [16:04] <RyanVM> possibly bad?
  976. # [16:04] <@ehsan> huh
  977. # [16:04] <@ehsan> RyanVM: did you choose to play a friend or a bear?
  978. # [16:05] <RyanVM> bear
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  980. # [16:05] <@ehsan> hmm
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  983. # [16:05] <RyanVM> hang on a sec
  984. # [16:05] <RyanVM> let me clear the console and pull the site up again
  985. # [16:05] <joe> i just want it on the record
  986. # [16:05] <joe> > <ehsan> RyanVM: did you choose to play a friend or a bear?
  987. # [16:05] <@ehsan> ok
  988. # [16:05] <joe> an actual thing that was said
  989. # [16:05] <@ehsan> lol
  990. # [16:05] <@ehsan> somebody qdb that!
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  992. # [16:06] <joe> ok
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  999. # [16:07] <RyanVM> ehsan - this shows a lot
  1000. # [16:07] <RyanVM> [10:09:31.925] TypeError: this.renderer is undefined @ https://www.cubeslam.com/javascript/renderer-3d.min.js?v=live.368508857910330456:1
  1001. # [16:07] <RyanVM> no idea if that's relevant or not
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  1003. # [16:08] <@ehsan> hmm
  1004. # [16:08] <@ehsan> it's not probably
  1005. # [16:08] <RyanVM> [10:09:32.414] NS_ERROR_UNEXPECTED: Unexpected error @ https://www.cubeslam.com/javascript/slam.min.js?v=live.368508857910330456:4
  1006. # [16:08] <@ehsan> oh
  1007. # [16:08] <@ehsan> that could be related
  1008. # [16:08] <@ehsan> minified source FTW!
  1009. # [16:08] <@ehsan> RyanVM: thanks!
  1010. # [16:09] <RyanVM> np
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  1018. # [16:19] <@smaug> KaiRo: why wouldn't it be a top-crasher
  1019. # [16:19] <@smaug> per crash-stats it clearly is *the* top crasher for nightlies
  1020. # [16:20] <KaiRo> smaug: for nightlies of *what*?
  1021. # [16:20] <KaiRo> and on what platform, etc.?
  1022. # [16:21] <KaiRo> or device or whatever?
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  1024. # [16:21] <@smaug> KaiRo: whatever crash-stats tells me when I click "top crashers"
  1025. # [16:21] <nemo> bjacob__: say. there's this simple webgl flag that I had adapted from an old flag demo. I was surprised that it crashed on basically every android firefox I tried it on
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  1027. # [16:22] <nemo> bjacob__: s3, note I, note II
  1028. # [16:22] <@smaug> KaiRo: that link seems to have OS: All
  1029. # [16:22] <nemo> bjacob__: http://m8y.org/tmp/canada/ - I'm surprised 'cause it isn't 'sactly using large textures
  1030. # [16:22] <KaiRo> smaug: so, you mean for Firefox Nightly, right?
  1031. # [16:22] <@smaug> KaiRo: shouldn't you know crash-stats UI ;)
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  1033. # [16:23] <@smaug> KaiRo: yes. Nightly is Firefox Nightly
  1034. # [16:23] <nemo> bjacob__: crashed the browser that is
  1035. # [16:23] <KaiRo> i.e. Firefox 25.0a1 on crash-stats
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  1039. # [16:24] <KaiRo> smaug: ok, that signature has been around for a long time and always pretty high in stats
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  1042. # [16:24] <@smaug> KaiRo: so it is something we definitely should try to fix, if possible
  1043. # [16:24] <KaiRo> smaug: and I see it "only" as the #2 after emtpy dump crashes
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  1045. # [16:24] <KaiRo> smaug: yes, we definitely should
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  1047. # [16:24] <@smaug> well, #1 is effectively garbage
  1048. # [16:25] <KaiRo> smaug: no, those are valid crashes, we just don't have good data on them
  1049. # [16:25] <@smaug> sure
  1050. # [16:25] <@smaug> but #1 contains different kinds of crashes
  1051. # [16:25] <KaiRo> smaug: by what you say, this signature is garbage as well, from what I'm told because people tell me the stacks don't lead to anything they can debug
  1052. # [16:26] <KaiRo> gfxContext::PushClipsToDT seems to contain a number of different crashes as well
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  1054. # [16:26] <@smaug> KaiRo: stacks for #2 ?
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  1057. # [16:26] <KaiRo> we have a whole bunch of bugs filed on thats ignature
  1058. # [16:26] <@smaug> well, 3 are still open, I think
  1059. # [16:26] <KaiRo> 734948 758531 803949 793175 805406 839805 877629
  1060. # [16:26] <KaiRo> yes, the latter 3 are open
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  1062. # [16:26] <@smaug> I don't see any of them being worked too actively lately
  1063. # [16:27] <@smaug> one needs to just look at the stacks. Some of the stacks may reveal something useful
  1064. # [16:27] <KaiRo> a few of the others are actually fixed, and 805406 is very probably the main problem of the open ones
  1065. # [16:27] <@smaug> that is what happened with bug 892588 for example, at least I hope so. One stack was a bit different.
  1066. # [16:28] <@smaug> and that lead me to look at the code
  1067. # [16:28] <@smaug> which has been broken for ages
  1068. # [16:28] <@smaug> since ... 1.9.x
  1069. # [16:28] <KaiRo> smaug: I fully agree that any progress on those is helpful and if you can help there, please do so - let's not lose energy and time by discussing meta-issue like what of those bugs should be topcrash and which not ;-)
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  1071. # [16:29] <@smaug> KaiRo: yup. I was just trying to ping Bas to fix the bug :)
  1072. # [16:29] <KaiRo> smaug: thanks
  1073. # [16:29] * KaiRo lets his browser freeze for a while to load some more topcrash pages
  1074. # [16:29] <@smaug> KaiRo: oh, right. What has happened to crash-stats
  1075. # [16:30] <@smaug> it used to load quite fast, but these days it is super slow
  1076. # [16:30] <KaiRo> smaug: there's a bug open on it and I think the patzch that Scoobidiver think fixes it has landed on master there
  1077. # [16:31] <KaiRo> there's a Firefox bug in this as well as a page shouldn't be allowed to freeze the whole UI, but I guess we'll need e10s to solve that
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  1079. # [16:31] <KaiRo> smaug: the same signature is also #2 in 22 release and #5 in 23.0b7 atm
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  1081. # [16:32] <@smaug> KaiRo: so clearly a topcrasher
  1082. # [16:32] <KaiRo> smaug: yes, but we should not mark every bug with this signature as a topcrasher, only one - and the one you marked is specific to a URL that is barely present in those reports
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  1085. # [16:33] <@smaug> KaiRo: well, some of the bugs should be topcrasher
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  1087. # [16:33] <@smaug> not sure it helps though
  1088. # [16:33] <KaiRo> smaug: bug 805406 is the one that we have as a topcrasher, the other two are for concrete URLs, which are low in frequency in the signature, but could help us debug
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  1090. # [16:34] <@smaug> ah, I missed there was topcrasher
  1091. # [16:34] <@smaug> s/topcrasher/topcrash/ keyword
  1092. # [16:35] <bjacob__> nemo: file a bug!
  1093. # [16:35] <bjacob__> nemo: bonus points for adb logcat output
  1094. # [16:35] <nemo> bjacob__: wasn't sure if it was reallly a bug
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  1096. # [16:35] <KaiRo> smaug: yup, it's there :)
  1097. # [16:35] <nemo> bjacob__: or just, well, devices can't handle it
  1098. # [16:35] <bjacob__> nemo: will be hard to tell
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  1100. # [16:35] <nemo> bjacob__: you're not gonna get your bonus points tho ;)
  1101. # [16:36] <nemo> bjacob__: no mobile devices over there? I have actually yet to encounter one that *doesn't* crash on it
  1102. # [16:36] <bjacob__> nemo: with enough logs we can tell. i cant commit to working on it, but maybe someone will.
  1103. # [16:36] <nemo> from checking with a few friends
  1104. # [16:36] <nemo> bjacob__: does it load for you tho? :)
  1105. # [16:36] <bjacob__> nemo: i dont have time to try now, but if you file a bug with url, maybe someone will.
  1106. # [16:36] <nemo> hum
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  1108. # [16:37] <bjacob__> nemo: i have 20+ mobiles devices on my desk, but i know that investigating this kind of crash is 30 min of work, no time now
  1109. # [16:38] <dustin> I'm still working on building signmar on OS X 10.7. Here's where I'm at: http://www.pastebin.mozilla.org/2687362
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  1111. # [16:39] <dustin> the ^ is pointing to gfxImageFormat -- I'm not sure why that would be undefined, as it's defined in gfxASurface.h
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  1115. # [16:45] <tbsaunde> dustin: wow that's some mozconfig
  1116. # [16:45] <dustin> how so?
  1117. # [16:45] <tbsaunde> dustin: what is the compiler command line?
  1118. # [16:45] <dustin> I mean, I don't need graphics at all -- I just need signmar
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  1121. # [16:46] <tbsaunde> dustin: yeah, but the easiest way there is probably by building the world unless maybe compile-enviroment does what you want or you feel like building it by hand
  1122. # [16:46] <dustin> http://www.pastebin.mozilla.org/2687391
  1123. # [16:46] <dustin> what's compile-environment?
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  1127. # [16:49] <gabadie> is there a possibility to do like a "ifndef MOZ_RELEASE" in Bindings.conf ?
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  1134. # [16:53] <tbsaunde> dustin: the weird thing we do in l10n builds, but I don't know much about it :/
  1135. # [16:53] <tbsaunde> gabadie: what for?
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  1140. # [16:55] <gabadie> because WebGL2RenderingContext.webidl would need to be remove from release. Therefore associated bindings should be remove bindings.conf (bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=896254)
  1141. # [16:55] <tbsaunde> dustin: hm, it looks like you aren't compiling as c++ for some reason I wonder if you clang is really old or something
  1142. # [16:56] <tbsaunde> 5/win 26
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  1146. # [16:57] <tbsaunde> gabadie: disabling it in WebIDL.mk should be enough I think
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  1148. # [16:57] <gabadie1> oh ok
  1149. # [16:57] <padenot> gabadie1: so, we have this new shiny feature to have a pref controlled member or interface
  1150. # [16:58] <padenot> in webidl
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  1152. # [16:59] <padenot> gabadie: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/dom/webidl/AudioContext.webidl#75
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  1156. # [17:01] <dustin> tbsaunde: Apple clang version 2.1 (tags/Apple/clang-163.7.1) (based on LLVM 3.0svn)
  1157. # [17:03] <dustin> == xcode-4.1
  1158. # [17:07] <tbsaunde> dustin: yeah, that's probably too old
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  1166. # [17:10] <RyanVM> joe: ping
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  1173. # [17:12] <marcoagpinto> Hello
  1174. # [17:12] <marcoagpinto> is anyone there?
  1175. # [17:12] <dustin> tbsaunde: that's what we use to build all mac packages
  1176. # [17:14] <dustin> and it looks like it's compiling C++ - C doesn't have namespaces, which are mentioned in the error msg
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  1182. # [17:15] <RyanVM> marcoagpinto: depends on what you want to know :)
  1183. # [17:15] <marcoagpinto> thanks!
  1184. # [17:15] <marcoagpinto> I offered myself to improve the en_UK dictionary by sending an e-mail to Iann last week, but no reply so far
  1185. # [17:16] * RyanVM didn't know that IanN maintained that
  1186. # [17:16] <marcoagpinto> what?!
  1187. # [17:16] <marcoagpinto> someone gave me his e-mail address in #maildev
  1188. # [17:17] <marcoagpinto> who shall I contact then?
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  1200. # [17:24] <RyanVM> marcoagpinto: where does that dictionary even live?
  1201. # [17:24] <marcoagpinto> it is in a .XPI file
  1202. # [17:25] <marcoagpinto> I renamed it to ZIP and extracted the .DIC and .AFF
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  1204. # [17:25] <marcoagpinto> and I am coding a tool to edit Dictionaries/Thesaurus and Hyphenation
  1205. # [17:25] <RyanVM> ok, so it's the one from AMO then?
  1206. # [17:25] <marcoagpinto> AMO?
  1207. # [17:26] <RyanVM> addons.mozilla.org
  1208. # [17:26] <marcoagpinto> yes
  1209. # [17:26] <marcoagpinto> it is from the add-ons
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  1213. # [17:26] <joe> RyanVM: hi
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  1217. # [17:27] <RyanVM> marcoagpinto: addons.mozilla.org says that extension is maintained by Mark Tyndall?
  1218. # [17:27] <RyanVM> joe: am I reading between the lines correctly that bug 886080 and bug 867183 are likely related?
  1219. # [17:27] <marcoagpinto> I know it is maintained by someone who I mailed a year or two ago and no reply
  1220. # [17:27] <joe> RyanVM: it's possible yes
  1221. # [17:28] <marcoagpinto> then, other person did a small update to make it work with more recent versions of Thunderbird
  1222. # [17:28] <RyanVM> marcoagpinto: unfortunately, I doubt anybody here will be able to help since it's maintained by a third party
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  1225. # [17:29] <RyanVM> joe: that stinks - bug 867183 is top 10 and bug 886080 is nearly in there
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  1228. # [17:29] <marcoagpinto> Mark Thyndall, yes... I tried to get an answer from him a year or so ago and no reply
  1229. # [17:30] <marcoagpinto> who shall I contact?
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  1231. # [17:30] <marcoagpinto> it has lots of missing words
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  1235. # [17:31] <RyanVM> marcoagpinto: if he's the maintainer, I don't know who else to suggest
  1236. # [17:31] <RyanVM> other than just forking it and distributing it yourself
  1237. # [17:31] <marcoagpinto> ohhhhhh :((((
  1238. # [17:32] <marcoagpinto> how can I do that?
  1239. # [17:32] <marcoagpinto> what is "forking it"?
  1240. # [17:32] <Earth4> making a copy of it
  1241. # [17:32] <marcoagpinto> ahhhhh
  1242. # [17:32] <marcoagpinto> :)
  1243. # [17:33] <marcoagpinto> but, how can I distribute it myself? Can't it replace the old version?
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  1245. # [17:34] <marcoagpinto> # David Bartlett, Andrew Brown, Marco A.G.Pinto.
  1246. # [17:34] <marcoagpinto> # R 2.00, 2013-07-XX
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  1248. # [17:34] <RyanVM> marcoagpinto: I'm not sure what the practice is for that
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  1250. # [17:34] <RyanVM> nor is this likely the right channel for such discussion
  1251. # [17:34] <marcoagpinto> ahhhh
  1252. # [17:34] <RyanVM> marcoagpinto: #amo might be able to help
  1253. # [17:35] <marcoagpinto> ahhhh
  1254. # [17:35] <marcoagpinto> thanks
  1255. # [17:35] <marcoagpinto> let me go there
  1256. # [17:35] <RyanVM> good luck
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  1266. # [17:38] <RyanVM> joe: so it doesn't sound like a fix for either is forthcoming?
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  1294. # [17:56] <Ms2ger> bsmedberg, ping
  1295. # [17:56] <RyanVM> past: looks like that last push to fx-team didn't go as planned :(
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  1297. # [17:57] <joe> RyanVM: i need to quickly mock something up and see what breaks
  1298. # [17:57] <joe> RyanVM: i had initially done this non-reentrant notification but it broke things pretty spectacularly
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  1309. # [18:00] <marcoagpinto> RyanVM: I tried asking in #amo and they sent me to #amo-editors but no one replies. I checked the topic and it mentions #extdev but my address is banned... maybe the whole *.pt? How do I check the ban list?
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  1315. # [18:01] <Earth4> is it /banlist?
  1316. # [18:01] <marcoagpinto> ahhhh... let me try
  1317. # [18:01] <marcoagpinto> BANLIST Unknown command
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  1319. # [18:02] <Earth4> hmm
  1320. # [18:02] <past> RyanVM|brb: yes, I'm looking into it
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  1322. # [18:02] <Ms2ger> Yeah, *.cpe.netcabo.pt is banned
  1323. # [18:03] <marcoagpinto> ahhhh
  1324. # [18:03] <marcoagpinto> cool
  1325. # [18:03] <marcoagpinto> my entire ISP is banned
  1326. # [18:03] <marcoagpinto> :(
  1327. # [18:03] <Ms2ger> gavin can probably help
  1328. # [18:03] <marcoagpinto> where is he?
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  1330. # [18:05] <Earth4> he does not appear to be in #developers now, unless I'm missing something
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  1333. # [18:05] <marcoagpinto> :(((
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  1336. # [18:06] <marcoagpinto> I want so much to improve the en_UK speller.... :((((((
  1337. # [18:06] <marcoagpinto> I am tired of being writing mails and lots of words are marked as typos
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  1341. # [18:07] <Earth4> gavin is now in #firefox
  1342. # [18:07] <Earth4> try whispering him?
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  1349. # [18:09] <marcoagpinto> ahhh
  1350. # [18:09] <marcoagpinto> let me try
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  1384. # [18:27] <marcoagpinto> gavin: ping?
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  1392. # [18:33] <mihneadb> Unfocused: ping
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  1397. # [18:35] <@gavin> marcoagpinto: hi
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  1414. # [18:41] <@bsmedberg> RyanVM: ping
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  1418. # [18:42] <RyanVM> bsmedberg: pong
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  1422. # [18:42] <@bsmedberg> RyanVM: the winxp xpcshell hangs; is there a definite regression range?
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  1424. # [18:42] <marcoagpinto> gavin: may I talk to you in private?
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  1427. # [18:43] <RyanVM> bsmedberg: outside of what's visible in the bugs, I really don't know unfortunately
  1428. # [18:43] <matthewgertner> when I evaluate code in a sandbox (evalInSandbox), any exceptions thrown *after* parse time seem to be eaten silently
  1429. # [18:43] <RyanVM> bug 824022 was filed late-december
  1430. # [18:43] <matthewgertner> I guess I'm running into https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=307985
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  1432. # [18:44] <RyanVM> and it appears to have been pretty frequent from the get-go
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  1434. # [18:44] <matthewgertner> is it true that after parse time there is no way to get error reporting of exceptions in a sandbox without wrapping every function in its own try/catch and doing the reporting yourself?
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  1437. # [18:44] <@bsmedberg> RyanVM: hrm. Somebody pointed a finger at bug 824647, but that didn't land until 2013-03-18
  1438. # [18:44] * Gijs waves at plasticmi, errr, matthewgertner
  1439. # [18:44] <matthewgertner> heh
  1440. # [18:44] <matthewgertner> hi Gijs
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  1442. # [18:44] <Gijs> been a while! :)
  1443. # [18:44] <matthewgertner> indeed :-)
  1444. # [18:44] <Gijs> (sorry, didn't mean to interrupt - carry on!)
  1445. # [18:45] <matthewgertner> I was "Matt" but I apparently didn't log in often enough and someone stole my nick :O
  1446. # [18:45] <@gavin> marcoagpinto: I removed the #extdev ban
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  1448. # [18:45] <marcoagpinto> ahhh
  1449. # [18:45] <marcoagpinto> thanks
  1450. # [18:45] <marcoagpinto> :)
  1451. # [18:45] <@bsmedberg> matthewgertner: what's the stack at the time the exception is thrown? Did you see the recent thread about error reporting?
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  1453. # [18:45] <matthewgertner> bsmedberg: I didn't
  1454. # [18:45] <matthewgertner> do you have a reference
  1455. # [18:46] <matthewgertner> lemme find a sample stack
  1456. # [18:46] <@bsmedberg> matthewgertner: https://mail.mozilla.org/pipermail/firefox-dev/2013-July/000573.html
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  1458. # [18:46] <@bsmedberg> see an environment variable in there which may help you
  1459. # [18:46] <@gavin> (and/or pref)
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  1461. # [18:47] <matthewgertner> bsmedberg: interesting, I remember the discussion when that change was implemented
  1462. # [18:47] <matthewgertner> suddenly none of my errors were caught and logged in the console anymore… it was quite disconcerting :-)
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  1465. # [18:47] * matthewgertner goes to try the pref
  1466. # [18:47] <@bsmedberg> gavin: there's a pref?
  1467. # [18:47] * @bsmedberg didn't know there was a rpef
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  1469. # [18:48] <matthewgertner> gavin: what is the pref?
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  1472. # [18:48] <@gavin> matthewgertner, bsmedberg: dom.report_all_js_exceptions
  1473. # [18:49] <matthewgertner> ah, nice
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  1476. # [18:50] <matthewgertner> bsmedberg: doesn't seem to help in my case
  1477. # [18:50] <matthewgertner> isn't the problem more with https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=307985?
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  1479. # [18:51] <matthewgertner> if I evaluate code in a sandbox and then grab, e.g. a function and use it as an event listener
  1480. # [18:51] <matthewgertner> if the event listener is triggered and throws an exception, nothing is logged to the system console (or Error Console) at all
  1481. # [18:51] <matthewgertner> the exception is just silently eaten
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  1485. # [18:51] <@bsmedberg> froydnj: do I have your permission to back out bug 824647, then?
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  1490. # [18:53] <froydnj> bsmedberg: sure. you'll also have to revert the valgrind suppression for the leak https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=824647#c15
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  1492. # [18:54] <@bsmedberg> RyanVM: can you do that, or do you want to wait for me to get a clean tree? ^^
  1493. # [18:55] <RyanVM> bsmedberg: I can certainly try
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  1495. # [18:55] <jcranmer> dveditz: ping
  1496. # [18:55] <jcranmer> bent|errands: ping
  1497. # [18:55] <jcranmer> bsmedberg: ping
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  1499. # [18:55] <@bsmedberg> jcranmer: pong
  1500. # [18:55] <jcranmer> bsmedberg: do you have an estimate for when you can look at the RDF patch again/
  1501. # [18:55] <RyanVM> why do I have this sinking feeling qbackout isn't going to like this
  1502. # [18:56] <@dveditz> jcranmer: pong
  1503. # [18:56] <@bsmedberg> the RDF patch...
  1504. # [18:56] <jcranmer> dveditz: you do sec-reviews right?
  1505. # [18:56] <vlad> I hope it's a patch to remove RDF
  1506. # [18:56] <@dveditz> some of them
  1507. # [18:56] <jcranmer> bsmedberg: the RDF kill-threadsafe patch
  1508. # [18:56] <@bsmedberg> oh
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  1510. # [18:56] <@bsmedberg> probably after the 2pm meetings
  1511. # [18:56] <jcranmer> bsmedberg: okay, good enough for me
  1512. # [18:57] <RyanVM> holy crap, it worked
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  1514. # [18:57] <@dveditz> jcranmer: if you just add sec-review? without a name we triage it and assign someone
  1515. # [18:57] <jcranmer> dveditz: do you know who would be qualified to give a sec-review-lite-ish look at bug 893564?
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  1518. # [18:57] <jcranmer> dveditz: it's more of a proposal than any kind of concrete implementation
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  1520. # [18:57] <@dveditz> hm, evading anti-virus detection?
  1521. # [18:57] <RyanVM> bsmedberg: on the other hand, I'd be remiss if I didn't point out that those hangs don't seem to be happening much on inbound these days?
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  1523. # [18:58] <@bsmedberg> that's... weird
  1524. # [18:58] <RyanVM> all the recent ones in bug 824022 are aurora/beta
  1525. # [18:58] <RyanVM> ok, we're still hitting bug 854330 on inbound, though
  1526. # [18:58] <RyanVM> as recent as last week
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  1528. # [18:59] <RyanVM> but still less frequently than before
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  1531. # [18:59] <@dveditz> jcranmer: I support that concept. I tried to seel dasher on the idea of having the Tbird start screen (first run) be a page to some partner CA who would issue the email equivalent of a DV cert to users based on verified email.
  1532. # [18:59] <@dveditz> and then sign all mail (s/mime) and oportunistically encrypt to everyone you had a cert for
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  1535. # [18:59] <RyanVM> froydnj: bsmedberg: do you still want me to push this backout?
  1536. # [19:00] <@dveditz> doing GPG instead adds complications (license), but essentially the same thing
  1537. # [19:00] <jcranmer> dveditz: I've long desired to have some way of bootstrapping security much easier
  1538. # [19:00] <@bsmedberg> RyanVM: Well, I was mainly looking at this because of the orange volume. So I think it's really up to youl.
  1539. # [19:00] <jcranmer> but there are... lots of difficult issues to surmount
  1540. # [19:00] <RyanVM> bsmedberg: how about I just push the backout to Try for now?
  1541. # [19:01] <@bsmedberg> sure
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  1543. # [19:02] <@dveditz> jcranmer: of course PGP has the advantage of potentially working w/ web mail, but I can't imagine regular users putting up with the binary crap it adds for a feature they didn't know they were getting
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  1546. # [19:02] <@dveditz> PGP/MIME has the same issues w/web mail as S/MIME
  1547. # [19:03] <jcranmer> dveditz: I did a brief rebuttal in the mdat newsgroup
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  1549. # [19:03] <@dveditz> ok, I'll try to take a look
  1550. # [19:03] <RyanVM> bsmedberg: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=e0dab08b5266 and https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=ba4cf5687f76 - I'll trigger a bunch of runs on both when it gets to that point
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  1552. # [19:04] <@dveditz> jcranmer: that feature request but is light years away from being ready for a sec-review? though
  1553. # [19:04] <@dveditz> s/but/bug/
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  1564. # [19:08] <jcranmer> dveditz: sec-feedback? :-)
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  1566. # [19:10] <RyanVM> dveditz: if a sec-critical bug exists in a feature that's only on trunk, it's OK to land w/o approval, right?
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  1569. # [19:11] <@dveditz> yes... but please make sure the status flags for the other branches say "unaffected"
  1570. # [19:11] <@dveditz> otherwise it will make al's queries cranky
  1571. # [19:11] <@dveditz> (who are we kidding, the /queries/ won't mind)
  1572. # [19:12] <RyanVM> dveditz: very good, thanks
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  1611. # [19:29] <gps> hg up central/default
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  1613. # [19:29] <gps> that works if you install http://gregoryszorc.com/blog/2013/07/22/mercurial-extension-for-gecko-development/
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  1615. # [19:30] <gps> remote tracking refs in mercurial \o/
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  1625. # [19:33] <@smaug> lsblakk: see https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=895222#c16
  1626. # [19:33] <lsblakk> smaug: looking
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  1634. # [19:35] <lsblakk> thanks smaug
  1635. # [19:35] <@smaug> lsblakk: FYI harsha & al fixed telemetry earlier today or yesterday
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  1638. # [19:36] <lsblakk> smaug: cool - is there a status page or something?
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  1642. # [19:37] <fitzgen> bholley: ping
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  1644. # [19:37] <@smaug> lsblakk: dunno. harsha just emailed when, since I had complained about non-working telemetry
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  1647. # [19:37] <@smaug> s/when/me/
  1648. # [19:38] <sfink> argh! Now copy/pasting *from* firefox works, but pasting *to* firefox is still (again?) broken!
  1649. # [19:38] <bholley> fitzgen: hi
  1650. # [19:39] <fitzgen> bholley: can you take a look at this? it is blocking my patch from landing :P https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=895774#c30
  1651. # [19:39] <bholley> fitzgen: yes, it's on my list
  1652. # [19:39] <fitzgen> bholley: awesome, thank you :)
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  1660. # [19:45] <froydnj> bsmedberg: ah, sorry for being dense about the ipdl bits
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  1662. # [19:45] <@smaug> whaaat, I get abort: data/media/webrtc/trunk/webrtc/common_video/interface/video_image.h.i@11c523b57b55: unknown parent! on aurora
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  1664. # [19:46] <RyanVM> smaug: you got that when updating?
  1665. # [19:46] <@smaug> yes
  1666. # [19:46] <@smaug> well, when doing hg pull --rebase
  1667. # [19:46] <RyanVM> i hit that from time to time
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  1669. # [19:46] <@smaug> RyanVM: how to fix it?
  1670. # [19:47] <RyanVM> the only thing I've found that works reliably is to strip the new csets, update -C, and pull/update again
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  1673. # [19:47] <@smaug> hmm, strip what...
  1674. # [19:47] <RyanVM> the new csets you pulled in
  1675. # [19:47] <@smaug> I have no idea what all I pulled in
  1676. # [19:47] * RyanVM thinks it's a bug in more recent versions of hg
  1677. # [19:48] <RyanVM> smaug: hg out will show you
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  1679. # [19:48] <@smaug> I don't have anything outgoing
  1680. # [19:48] <@smaug> I was just trying to update my clean aurora tree
  1681. # [19:48] <@smaug> so that I could apply a patch then and push it (if I get a+)
  1682. # [19:49] <RyanVM> so what were you rebasing?
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  1684. # [19:50] <@smaug> nothing. I just happen to use hg pull --rebase by default
  1685. # [19:50] <@smaug> just doing hg pull gives the same
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  1687. # [19:51] <RyanVM> and hg out is empty?
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  1689. # [19:51] <@smaug> yes
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  1692. # [19:51] <Six> what about hg status?
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  1696. # [19:51] <RyanVM> smaug: hg update -C might help too
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  1698. # [19:51] <dougt> smaug: no. i was using logging
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  1700. # [19:52] <@smaug> tried hg update -C too. didn't help
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  1707. # [19:53] <@smaug> hg status doesn't show anything unexpected either
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  1709. # [19:54] <Ms2ger> ehsan, ping
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  1711. # [19:54] <@ehsan> Ms2ger: hi
  1712. # [19:54] <Six> smaug: what do you mean unexpected? you have local changes?
  1713. # [19:54] <Ms2ger> ehsan, do you want to see the rewritten GetEndNodeAndOffset stuff?
  1714. # [19:55] <@ehsan> Ms2ger: only if there's something interesting to look at :)
  1715. # [19:55] <@smaug> well, I did have some .orig files, but after hg purge not even them.
  1716. # [19:55] <@smaug> hg pull still fails
  1717. # [19:55] <RyanVM> smaug: if you don't care about anything in-tree at the moment, give this a spin: hg strip -f --no-backup -r 143550:tip && hg pull && hg update -C
  1718. # [19:55] <RyanVM> (the 143550 is arbitrary, but it goes back a way anyway)
  1719. # [19:55] <Ms2ger> ehsan, don't think so, no
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  1722. # [19:56] <@smaug> don't have 143550 in aurora
  1723. # [19:56] <@ehsan> Ms2ger: r=me then!
  1724. # [19:56] * @smaug tries something else
  1725. # [19:56] <Callek> oooor I can help smaug figure out his underlying issue if he wants to use a scalpel instead of a machete first
  1726. # [19:56] <Ms2ger> ehsan, ta
  1727. # [19:56] <RyanVM> Callek: laaaame
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  1730. # [19:57] <@smaug> I did hg strip already
  1731. # [19:57] <Callek> (the machete will work, and is the quickest route to success, but won't prevent this issue in the future since we won't know what it was)
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  1733. # [19:57] <RyanVM> Callek: I'd love to know what causes this, because I hit it semi-regularly when doing merges between branches
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  1737. # [19:58] <Callek> RyanVM: yea I can't say I ever reproduced anything like this (of course if there is/was any pastebin'ed error output or more details than the last 5 min I missed it)
  1738. # [19:58] * Ms2ger looks around for reviewers
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  1740. # [19:58] <Callek> Ms2ger: I'm a reviewer, but probably not for the code you are looking for
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  1747. # [19:59] <Callek> Ms2ger: go ahead, I'm quick to r- delibrately mis-sent patches
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  1750. # [20:00] <Ms2ger> Boo
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  1753. # [20:00] <@khuey> bjacob__: you're not supposed to move things to server-ops unless you've been blessed by gavin and co
  1754. # [20:00] <@smaug> hg strip -f --no-backup -r 135634:tip && hg pull && hg update -C didn't help
  1755. # [20:01] <@khuey> bjacob__: also you moved it to a different component where it doesn't belong :-P
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  1757. # [20:01] <bholley> fitzgen: was it on all platforms, or just ubuntu?
  1758. # [20:02] <Callek> smaug: ok, can you pastebin the output of that command-set for me?
  1759. # [20:03] <jcranmer> Callek: r-'ing quickly takes the fun out of it
  1760. # [20:03] <bholley> fitzgen: oh, it's opt-only
  1761. # [20:03] <bholley> awesome
  1762. # [20:03] <Callek> jcranmer: I could make him wait 2 months first!
  1763. # [20:03] <Callek> jcranmer: and then r- saying its bitrotted
  1764. # [20:03] <jcranmer> Callek: you have to say "I need some time to look at this", wait for the second review ping
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  1773. # [20:05] <jcranmer> Callek: and r- it because it breaks some obscure configuration no one has ever heard of
  1774. # [20:05] <@smaug> Callek: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/2688451
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  1776. # [20:06] <Callek> jcranmer: ooo you mean r- because it breaks SeaMonkey on WinE running on an ARM chipset?
  1777. # [20:06] <jcranmer> Callek: SeaMonkey isn't obscure enough
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  1779. # [20:07] <Ms2ger> jcranmer, Camino?
  1780. # [20:07] <jcranmer> Callek: it breaks Venkman running in a Songbird build on WinE from an ARM chipset
  1781. # [20:07] <@khuey> how about Penelope?
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  1783. # [20:07] <jcranmer> when crypto is disabled
  1784. # [20:07] <Callek> smaug: |hg strip -f --no-backup -r 266b7ce809a8|
  1785. # [20:08] <Callek> smaug: then |hg up -r default -C|
  1786. # [20:08] <jcranmer> sorry, when crypto AND XUL are disabled
  1787. # [20:08] <Callek> smaug: then hg pull && hg update -C
  1788. # [20:08] <Callek> (that rev is from like January, fwiw)
  1789. # [20:08] <Ms2ger> jcranmer, hey, I saw someone try to build with xul disabled just this month
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  1791. # [20:09] <Callek> but yea that file was changed pretty recently
  1792. # [20:09] <jcranmer> Ms2ger: did they disable RDF as well?
  1793. # [20:09] <Callek> http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-aurora/log/655e78727928/media/webrtc/trunk/webrtc/common_video/interface/video_image.h
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  1795. # [20:09] <Ms2ger> jcranmer, don't think so
  1796. # [20:09] <sicking> sworkman: what's the reason we can't (or don't want to) send OnStopRequest to the same thread as the OnDataAvailable?
  1797. # [20:10] <Callek> RyanVM: there is only one *identified* cause of this issue, which is primarily a matter of hgweb borking when served over NFS
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  1801. # [20:11] <Callek> RyanVM: that is that NFS doesn't have any order guarantees when it comes to file sync's, so its possible for hg to read one file change ahead of anothers, even though hg-itself does things in an ordered and safe way
  1802. # [20:11] <Callek> its a very "within this very short window of time" issue, but it can happen on *any* mercurial tree
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  1805. # [20:12] <bjacob__> khuey: ah ok, sorry! :-)
  1806. # [20:12] <RyanVM> Callek: ah, interesting
  1807. # [20:12] <@khuey> bjacob__: no worries
  1808. # [20:12] <tbsaunde> Ms2ger: this was the b2g people?
  1809. # [20:12] <Callek> RyanVM: our releng tools repo hits that in our preproduction relatively often
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  1813. # [20:13] <Callek> RyanVM: and yea, there is no fix in mind other than moving off NFS for mercurial, which has a few blockers, with a current-planned ETA for "off NFS" of ~ Q4
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  1815. # [20:14] <RyanVM> good to know
  1816. # [20:14] <Callek> but it could extend depending on pace of its blocking work, and investigations related to the actual switch
  1817. # [20:14] <RyanVM> I thought it was a local issue, not server-side
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  1819. # [20:14] <Callek> RyanVM: well if it ever manifests solely locally I'd love to hear about it
  1820. # [20:14] <RyanVM> but yeah, I find it happens most often when I chain commands together, which is why I figured it was timing related
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  1832. # [20:19] <botond> lol at "reticulating splines" in build output... nice touch :)
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  1835. # [20:20] <ochameau> gps: ping
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  1861. # [20:31] <dustin> ok, I've shifted tactics in buliding signmar -- just buliding tools/update-packaging, and i've patched security/build into tier_app_dirs so that NSS gets built. but now it fails to link to libmozsqlite3 - http://www.pastebin.mozilla.org/2688520
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  1863. # [20:32] <dustin> that doesn't seem to get built by any Makefile, but only by toolkit/mozapps/installer/packager.mk, which, if I include it from build.mk, fails because MOZILLA_DIR isn't defined
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  1866. # [20:32] <dustin> so: what's packager.mk vs. build.mk and how do I use it, OR how do I built libmozsqlite3?
  1867. # [20:33] <dustin> This is Firefox 19, btw
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  1871. # [20:35] <adizam> Is this a proper place to ask a firefox add-on related question?
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  1876. # [20:36] <Gijs> adizam: #extdev is probably better
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  1885. # [20:39] <dustin> hm, maybe i wanted db/sqlite/src in tier_app_dirs
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  1907. # [20:51] <dustin> that's closer, but http://www.pastebin.mozilla.org/2688569
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  1909. # [20:51] <dustin> make[5]: *** No rule to make target `/private/var/root/signmar/build/mozilla-release/db/sqlite/src/Makefile.in', needed by `db/sqlite/src/Makefile'. Stop.
  1910. # [20:51] <dustin> that dep seems backward, and anyway, Makefile is newer than Makefile.in
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  1925. # [21:04] <tbsaunde> RyanVM: so treestatus only has two formats html and json?
  1926. # [21:04] <RyanVM> afaik
  1927. # [21:04] <Ms2ger> tbsaunde, what else do you need? RDF?
  1928. # [21:04] <tbsaunde> Ms2ger: plain text would be nice
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  1933. # [21:06] <@bsmedberg> dustin: that's not backwards. Makefile is generated from Makefile.in
  1934. # [21:06] <@bsmedberg> aww, json is plaintext ;-)
  1935. # [21:07] <dustin> oh, good point
  1936. # [21:07] <dustin> still, weird, since hte Makefile exists and is newer
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  1945. # [21:11] <tbsaunde> bsmedberg: and so is html in a sense, but I mean something more like "closed - for bustage" or "open" being the response
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  1948. # [21:11] <tbsaunde> I just want wget treestatus.mozilla.org/Mozilla-Inbound -o - to give me something readable :-)
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  1951. # [21:13] <dholbert> tbsaunde, this should do it, sort of: curl https://treestatus.mozilla.org/ | grep -A3 mozilla-inbound
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  1954. # [21:14] <tbsaunde> dholbert: yeah, I've resigned myself to dealing with json
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  1962. # [21:19] <ferjm> hi! is there any known tool for mozilla contribution metrics (i.e. number of lines committed, number of bugs fixed, etc.) ?
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  1967. # [21:20] <Ms2ger> Bugzilla for the number of bugs
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  1969. # [21:21] <Six> Ms2ger: :)
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  1972. # [21:21] <ochameau> gps: I was wondering something about the removal of the big common xpcshell.ini. it looks like I got one of my test silently disabled during this move and wanted to ensure none other had also been
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  1974. # [21:22] <Ms2ger> ochameau, a test dir or an individual test?
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  1976. # [21:22] <Six> ferjm, Ms2ger: https://www.ohloh.net/p/firefox
  1977. # [21:23] <Ms2ger> Yeah, ohloh is fun, but reportedly not very accurate
  1978. # [21:23] <ochameau> Ms2ger: I think that's a test dir
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  1981. # [21:24] <ferjm> Six, thanks!
  1982. # [21:24] <Ms2ger> ochameau, that seems possible
  1983. # [21:24] <Six> Ms2ger: well at least it gives you an idea ;)
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  1986. # [21:24] <Ms2ger> Indeed
  1987. # [21:25] <Ms2ger> ochameau, diff the logs, I guess, though I thought we did that
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  1993. # [21:28] <ochameau> Ms2ger: I can't manage to find the changeset that removed this xpcshell.ini
  1994. # [21:28] <ochameau> Ms2ger: the test dir beeing silently removed is this one: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/annotate/52e2435b947f/testing/xpcshell/xpcshell.ini#l34
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  2004. # [21:33] <jcranmer> ehsan: you're wrong
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  2006. # [21:34] <jcranmer> ehsan: the nsRefPtr-only-convert-to-raw-for-lvalues-but-not-rvalues is possible in C++11
  2007. # [21:34] <@ehsan> jcranmer: about what?
  2008. # [21:34] <@ehsan> oh how?
  2009. # [21:34] <jcranmer> see the post I sent out
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  2011. # [21:34] <jcranmer> it just requires what amounts to "the last piece of rvalues compilers will implement"
  2012. # [21:35] <jcranmer> i.e., ref-qualified functions
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  2014. # [21:35] <jcranmer> aka N2439
  2015. # [21:35] <jcranmer> aka min-gcc-4.8.1/MSVC2014 (?)
  2016. # [21:35] <@ehsan> still waiting on thunderbird to stop hogging the main thread ;)
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  2018. # [21:36] <@ehsan> and now thunderbird says I have no new mail in that folder
  2019. # [21:36] <@ehsan> which is obviously a lie
  2020. # [21:36] <jcranmer> I use newsgroups
  2021. # [21:36] <jcranmer> maybe the newsgroup-to-mailing-list is slow
  2022. # [21:36] <@ehsan> dunno
  2023. # [21:36] <@ehsan> can you tell me how one does that?
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  2025. # [21:37] <jcranmer> operator T*() & { return inner; }
  2026. # [21:37] <jcranmer> operator T*() && = delete;
  2027. # [21:37] <@ehsan> wow
  2028. # [21:37] <@ehsan> what are these things called?
  2029. # [21:37] <jcranmer> "ref-qualifier"
  2030. # [21:37] <jcranmer> like cv-qualifier
  2031. # [21:37] <jcranmer> http://www.open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg21/docs/papers/2007/n2439.htm
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  2033. # [21:38] <@ehsan> neat!
  2034. # [21:38] <@ehsan> thanks for correcting me
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  2036. # [21:38] <jcranmer> [the && = delete isn't necessary, it just makes better diagnostics]
  2037. # [21:38] <@ehsan> right
  2038. # [21:38] <reuben> tbsaunde: you could use something like https://github.com/joshbuddy/jsonpath
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  2040. # [21:39] <jcranmer> I was wondering, when I saw them in the standard, why anyone would want this
  2041. # [21:39] <reuben> tbsaunde: or a quick JS script :P
  2042. # [21:39] <jcranmer> now I know
  2043. # [21:39] <@ehsan> hehe
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  2047. # [21:40] <tbsaunde> reuben: yeah, but I was hoping for a few lines of shell :p
  2048. # [21:40] <jcranmer> the downside is that this stuff is *well* outside of our min-compiler support range
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  2051. # [21:43] <@ehsan> yes
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  2053. # [21:43] <@ehsan> so in practice we can't have nice things
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  2058. # [21:43] <tbsaunde> ehsan: on the other hand we can make nsAutoPtr less broken
  2059. # [21:44] <@ehsan> less broken how?
  2060. # [21:44] <froydnj> ehsan: we didn't have nice things before, so at least things aren't getting worse! :)
  2061. # [21:45] <jcranmer> ehsan: like unique-ptr, I suppose
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  2063. # [21:45] <@ehsan> ok, but that's a separate issue?
  2064. # [21:45] <jcranmer> ehsan: actually, we could probably make our refptr things act like that on the compiler that does support it (clang)
  2065. # [21:45] <@ehsan> or am I missing something?
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  2070. # [21:46] <tbsaunde> ehsan: my point is we have more nice things than a month ago
  2071. # [21:46] <@ehsan> jcranmer: well, not really, since then we won't have already_AddRefed, and it's hard to maintain both variants together
  2072. # [21:46] <@ehsan> tbsaunde: oh ok, sure
  2073. # [21:46] <jcranmer> ehsan: what I meant was ref-qualify the conversion on clang
  2074. # [21:46] <jcranmer> and fix people who are broken right now
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  2077. # [21:47] <@ehsan> jcranmer: you mean existing code which returns an nsRefPtr or some such?
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  2079. # [21:47] <@ehsan> yeah that's probably a good idea
  2080. # [21:47] <jcranmer> yep
  2081. # [21:47] <tbsaunde> jcranmer: I was about to say I doubt there is any such brokenness then I remembered there always is some :)
  2082. # [21:47] <@ehsan> wanna file that bug?
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  2084. # [21:47] <jcranmer> filing
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  2086. # [21:49] <@ehsan> jcranmer: actually wait. we don't (shouldn't?) have code using rvalue references yet
  2087. # [21:49] <@ehsan> so what's the point?
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  2092. # [21:50] <jcranmer> ehsan: we may have cases where move operators are being autogenerated
  2093. # [21:51] <tbsaunde> ehsan: I'm aware of atleast one function that just returns a nsRefPtr
  2094. # [21:51] <@ehsan> that's probably far-fetched
  2095. # [21:51] <froydnj> tbsaunde: kill it with fire
  2096. # [21:51] <@ehsan> for that we should get the copy ctor
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  2098. # [21:52] <@ehsan> jcranmer: fwiw I'm currently building a tree with that change locally
  2099. # [21:52] <@ehsan> so far the build is not broken
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  2103. # [21:52] <tbsaunde> froydnj: yeah, but there are many things I care more about than the perf of our camera code
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  2105. # [21:53] <froydnj> tbsaunde: that code is scary stuff
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  2119. # [21:59] <jcranmer> ehsan: bug 896648
  2120. # [21:59] <@ehsan> ty
  2121. # [22:01] <@ehsan> jcranmer: here we go: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/media/webrtc/signaling/src/media/VcmSIPCCBinding.cpp#716
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  2126. # [22:02] <jesup> ehsan: jcranmer waht's up?
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  2128. # [22:02] <@ehsan> jesup: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=896648#c1
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  2134. # [22:03] <Ms2ger> ochameau, lovely... gps is on it :)
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  2136. # [22:03] <RyanVM> jduell: ping
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  2138. # [22:04] <jduell> RyanVM: in meeting
  2139. # [22:04] <jesup> Is thread() the thing causing this?
  2140. # [22:04] <gps> RyanVM: I'm guessing you'll want me to back out the patch triggering this test_errorhandler.js foo
  2141. # [22:05] <RyanVM> gps: yes please
  2142. # [22:05] <RyanVM> that's one of a few I'm trying to track down righ tnow
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  2144. # [22:05] <jesup> ehsan: you should cc ekr and ehugg and myself on that one
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  2146. # [22:05] <RyanVM> gps: is that from bug 894746?
  2147. # [22:05] <RyanVM> no, can't be
  2148. # [22:05] <jcranmer> ehsan: strictly speaking, that is safe, but is still "slightly dangerous"
  2149. # [22:06] <jcranmer> [since the nsCOMPtr isn't deleted until the end of the expression]
  2150. # [22:06] <gps> RyanVM: bug 884421
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  2153. # [22:06] <gps> I'm reasonably confident we're just triggering an existing bug with more frequency
  2154. # [22:06] <RyanVM> ahaha, that makes tons of sense
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  2156. # [22:07] <RyanVM> we're seeing a bunch of intermittent failures in netwerk these days too
  2157. # [22:07] <RyanVM> code 3
  2158. # [22:07] <gps> interesting
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  2160. # [22:07] <gps> RyanVM: did you see my new Mercurial extension? http://gregoryszorc.com/blog/2013/07/22/mercurial-extension-for-gecko-development/
  2161. # [22:07] <RyanVM> gps: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=e0dab08b5266
  2162. # [22:07] <RyanVM> gps: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=ba4cf5687f76
  2163. # [22:08] <RyanVM> check out those various failures
  2164. # [22:08] <RyanVM> i bet most of those are related to the httpd.js stuff
  2165. # [22:08] <Ms2ger> Can we kill leakstats already?
  2166. # [22:08] <RyanVM> gps: I saw that you posted about it, been too busy to take a look
  2167. # [22:08] <gps> RyanVM: I think you'll like it! should make your sheriff duties easier
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  2171. # [22:10] <Ms2ger> gps, fwiw, I'm not sure you can import hg libraries and still release under non-gpl licenses
  2172. # [22:10] <gps> Ms2ger: I was wondering about that too
  2173. # [22:10] <RyanVM> gps: so anyway, yes, let's please back that out - I bet that explains a lot of the recent xpcshell failures on winxp
  2174. # [22:11] <RyanVM> gps: funny enough, since they decided to stop timing out all the damn time for some unknown reason
  2175. # [22:11] <ekr> ehasn: trying to work through the backscroll. What's wrong with the code in 896648?
  2176. # [22:11] <Ms2ger> ekr, it's technically correct
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  2178. # [22:12] <Ms2ger> ekr, but it trips up some changes to the T* operator discussed in the confusingly named "Using C++0x auto" thread on m.d.platform
  2179. # [22:12] * froydnj gets stymied by CLOSED TREE
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  2181. # [22:13] <RyanVM> froydnj: inorite?
  2182. # [22:14] <ekr> It seems like we could just add a const nsCOMPtr<nsIEventTarget>& variant of RUN_ON_THREAd, right?
  2183. # [22:14] <froydnj> RyanVM: the windows build situation (per closed tree message) sems OK; are we just waiting for the outstanding oranges to be resolved?
  2184. # [22:14] <mbrubeck> tn: I'm testing the patch from https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=837242#c20 and seeing some cases where clicks still seem to "fall through" to a lower element.
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  2188. # [22:14] <RyanVM> froydnj: I'd love for gps to land that backout too
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  2190. # [22:15] <froydnj> RyanVM: oh, boo, is auto-choosing ports going wrong? we have a whole stack of patches doing that for other xpcshell tests that have already gone in :(
  2191. # [22:16] <RyanVM> froydnj: definitely a possibility
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  2193. # [22:16] <froydnj> RyanVM: sucktastic
  2194. # [22:16] <RyanVM> lots of new xpcshell failures on winxp that popped up late last week and over the weekend
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  2196. # [22:16] <RyanVM> see those Try links I posted a little bit ago
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  2199. # [22:18] <froydnj> in all fairness, I guess we weren't really exercising autochoosing to any reasonable degree prior to this last month
  2200. # [22:18] <ekr> Ms2ger: that would work, right?
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  2202. # [22:18] <Ms2ger> ekr, I can't say I like it :)
  2203. # [22:19] <ekr> Ms2ger: OK, I'm open to other suggestions.
  2204. # [22:19] <Ms2ger> Other suggestions to be offered by ehsan :)
  2205. # [22:19] <RyanVM> gps: froydnj: pushing a backout to inbound
  2206. # [22:19] <gps> RyanVM: I've got the backout queued. there were patch conflicts
  2207. # [22:19] <tbsaunde> ekr: why can't thread() just return nsIEventTarget*?
  2208. # [22:20] <RyanVM> yeah, I see that :P
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  2210. # [22:20] <RyanVM> fine by me if you push :P
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  2213. # [22:21] <ekr> tbsaunde: it could, but that seems even less safe
  2214. # [22:21] <ekr> because now we are unboxing something that was previously boxed as part of the API
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  2216. # [22:21] <mihneadb> gps: wait, does httpd still choose bogus ports after your patch?
  2217. # [22:22] <@ehsan> ekr: can you please comment on the bug? I wasn't following the conversation here
  2218. # [22:22] <ekr> sure
  2219. # [22:22] <tbsaunde> ekr: huh? that's what just about every other function in gecko does
  2220. # [22:22] <gps> mihneadb: it's a different failure
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  2222. # [22:22] <Ms2ger> tbsaunde, but Gecko is unsaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaafe
  2223. # [22:22] <ekr> tbsaunde: are you arguing that it's good practice?
  2224. # [22:22] <ekr> I mean, isn't the point of this to keep things boxed as much as possible
  2225. # [22:22] <tbsaunde> Ms2ger: so is C++ :P
  2226. # [22:22] <RyanVM> froydnj: also, still not seeing running Windows builds on inbound tip yet
  2227. # [22:23] <mihneadb> gps: ah
  2228. # [22:23] <tbsaunde> ekr: returning raw pointers? yeah that seems fine
  2229. # [22:23] <Ms2ger> tbsaunde, but our devs are too incompetent to handle that!
  2230. # [22:23] <mihneadb> gps: it only happens in that test
  2231. # [22:23] <ekr> ekr: I think you and I have different views about what's fine.
  2232. # [22:23] <froydnj> RyanVM: ah, I hadn't caught that (an hour?!)
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  2235. # [22:23] <@bsmedberg> What is the larch branch?
  2236. # [22:23] <gps> mihneadb: because that tests creats a ton of httpd.js servers
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  2238. # [22:23] <Ms2ger> bsmedberg, e10s?
  2239. # [22:23] <mihneadb> gps: oh
  2240. # [22:23] <mihneadb> I ll check it
  2241. # [22:24] <gps> the auto port patches that have been landing are likely introducing intermittent failures but the volume isn't high enough to trigger?
  2242. # [22:24] <Ms2ger> bsmedberg, it's in their topic, at least
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  2244. # [22:24] <froydnj> is e10s becoming a thing again?
  2245. # [22:24] <@bsmedberg> that's a good question
  2246. # [22:24] <Ms2ger> froydnj, sssh
  2247. # [22:24] <@bsmedberg> Ms2ger: there's a channel?
  2248. # [22:24] <mihneadb> gps: might be
  2249. # [22:24] <froydnj> Ms2ger: if you notice, all the fairies working on it will work on something else?
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  2251. # [22:24] <mihneadb> gps: did you ask Waldo about this?
  2252. # [22:24] <Ms2ger> froydnj, exactly
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  2254. # [22:25] <Ms2ger> bsmedberg, yeah, and meetings, and work weeks, it seems
  2255. # [22:25] <gps> mihneadb: not yet
  2256. # [22:25] <Ms2ger> bsmedberg, but e10s development is like Heisenberg's cat
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  2261. # [22:25] <froydnj> a zombie?
  2262. # [22:26] <@gavin> e10s is being investigated again
  2263. # [22:26] <Ms2ger> In a superposition of happening and not happening
  2264. # [22:26] <Ms2ger> Until you observe it
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  2266. # [22:26] <@gavin> it's not a secret
  2267. # [22:26] * @bsmedberg wonders whatever happened to his objections about CPOWs and nested event loops
  2268. # [22:26] <Waldo> mihneadb, gps: you rang?
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  2270. # [22:27] <Ms2ger> gavin, of course not :)
  2271. # [22:27] <bajaj> janv: Hi Jan, can you please help the needinfo on you in https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=879133#c11
  2272. # [22:27] <@gavin> bsmedberg: I thought those were resolved in the bug?
  2273. # [22:27] <gps> Waldo: bug 896093
  2274. # [22:27] <@bsmedberg> no, not at all
  2275. # [22:27] <@gavin> bsmedberg: well you should follow up! with dvander and vlad
  2276. # [22:27] <gps> Waldo: automatic port selection is intermittently failing on Windows XP with NS_ERROR_NOT_AVAILABLE
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  2278. # [22:28] <Waldo> hum
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  2281. # [22:28] <@gavin> the IRC channel is #e10s
  2282. # [22:28] <@gavin> the newsgroup is https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!forum/mozilla.dev.tech.electrolysis
  2283. # [22:29] <Waldo> gps: I have a vague memory of running into WinXP issues with httpd.js tests at some point in the past -- something like ports not being closed as quickly as I'd expect, or something
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  2287. # [22:29] <mihneadb> damn you winxp
  2288. # [22:30] <Waldo> hmm
  2289. # [22:30] <Waldo> "Disable debug logging in httpd.js now that the previous change appears acceptable to tinderboxen. Also disable test_start_stop.js on Windows, because Windows is dumb and will let me asyncListen on two nsIServerSockets at the same time on the same port without the second such call throwing an exception. r=bloatedtinderboxlogs, r=stupidwindows"
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  2291. # [22:30] <gps> wat
  2292. # [22:30] <mihneadb> wow
  2293. # [22:30] <Waldo> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/filelog/308e3cf5ba75/netwerk/test/httpserver/test/test_start_stop.js
  2294. # [22:30] <Waldo> not saying that's what's happening, but it's not inconceivable
  2295. # [22:31] <mihneadb> gps: maybe add a small sleep in there?
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  2298. # [22:31] <mihneadb> although..
  2299. # [22:31] <froydnj> that way lies madness
  2300. # [22:31] <Waldo> word
  2301. # [22:31] <mihneadb> yes, what froydnj said
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  2303. # [22:32] <gps> oh, I guess NS_ERROR_NOT_AVAILABLE is what _start() is raising, not the underlying error
  2304. # [22:32] <@bz> mmm, power-naps for software
  2305. # [22:32] <Waldo> I think that test had code that would do server.start(4444);, then assert that server.start(4444) threw something
  2306. # [22:32] <gaston> sleep(1) debugging, the 2.0 version of printf-debugging
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  2308. # [22:32] <Waldo> which failed on Windows due to that issue
  2309. # [22:32] <@bz> gaston: hey, if you can use it for sorting...
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  2312. # [22:34] <gps> Waldo: I'm going to push a try with excessive logging in hopes we can catch this
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  2314. # [22:34] <Waldo> gps: yeah, enabling the existing logging and/or adding more is always the easy path forward for this stuff
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  2316. # [22:34] * @bz wonders if "excessive logging" is akin to "ludicrous speed"
  2317. # [22:34] <Waldo> that's why it's there :-)
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  2320. # [22:34] <Waldo> bz: well plaid
  2321. # [22:34] <@bz> waldo: until the logging changes the timing hence causing the test behavior to change!
  2322. # [22:34] <@bz> waldo++
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  2329. # [22:36] <lsblakk> RyanVM: have you had a chance to do any beta checkins today?
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  2332. # [22:37] <RyanVM> lsblakk: no
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  2335. # [22:37] <lsblakk> RyanVM: it would be great if you could do a round, if possible, before i go to build on this week's first beta
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  2337. # [22:38] <lsblakk> RyanVM: if that's not possible, let's talk about planning this out for the next beta cycle so it's not a last-minute request
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  2343. # [22:41] <RyanVM> jesup: ping
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  2346. # [22:42] <Ms2ger> lsblakk, maybe you should find another victim ;)
  2347. # [22:42] <Ms2ger> Not it
  2348. # [22:42] <jesup> RyanVM: pong
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  2351. # [22:43] <RyanVM> jesup: it looks like bug 893021 is causing intermittent ubuntu asserts?
  2352. # [22:43] <RyanVM> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=25574392&tree=Mozilla-Inbound
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  2354. # [22:43] <RyanVM> i didn't retrigger them on your push, but the push prior isn't showing it and the push after is
  2355. # [22:44] <RyanVM> and the push after yours seems quite unlikely (enabling coregraphics on osx)
  2356. # [22:44] <jesup> RyanVM: I'll look
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  2358. # [22:44] <gps> if orange factor has a sane API, I might update my Mercurial extension to add annotation to |hg status| to mark files with known test failures
  2359. # [22:44] <RyanVM> jesup: I have a backout ready to go
  2360. # [22:44] <tn> mbrubeck, hmm, i guess i'd have to look into a specific case to determine what is happening, nothing else comes off the top of my head at the moment
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  2362. # [22:44] <tn> mbrubeck, thanks for testing
  2363. # [22:46] <jesup> RyanVM: ok. I can debug on Try
  2364. # [22:46] <RyanVM> jesup: OK, thanks
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  2366. # [22:47] <RyanVM> jesup: and no sooner do I say that than I hit it on the push prior...
  2367. # [22:47] <RyanVM> so nevermind that idea
  2368. # [22:47] <jduell> RyanVM: pong
  2369. # [22:47] <RyanVM> jduell: nevermind
  2370. # [22:47] <jduell> RyanVM: sweeet.
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  2375. # [22:49] <froydnj> Waldo: ping
  2376. # [22:49] <Waldo> froydnj: pong
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  2378. # [22:50] <froydnj> Waldo: in http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/js/public/Anchor.h#131, do we actually need to indicate that |hold| is alive, or do we just have the volatile store to prevent compiler reordering?
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  2381. # [22:50] <mbrubeck> tn: Let me know if you'd like more info; my test case is from the Metro chrome so it's not trivial to reduce it but I could try.
  2382. # [22:51] <Waldo> froydnj: I think it's both -- keeping the pointer alive at least that long, and volatile so that the compiler can't reorder it earlier in the method
  2383. # [22:51] <Waldo> froydnj: but really jimb would be better to ask, as that was his code originally, I just moved it around a bit
  2384. # [22:52] <Waldo> basically we want the pointer on the stack until the anchor's destroyed
  2385. # [22:52] <Waldo> having it not on the stack earlier, means the anchoring won't happen
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  2387. # [22:53] <Waldo> what exactly that implies in terms of the terminology used, I am perhaps less clear about
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  2390. # [22:53] <Waldo> worth noting that anchors will go away when we have a fully moving-safe engine/browser
  2391. # [22:53] <Waldo> anchoring only makes sense when you have to conservatively root stuff on the stack
  2392. # [22:54] * jimb looks
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  2396. # [22:55] <jimb> froydnj: Waldo's explanation is correct.
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  2399. # [22:55] <jimb> froydnj: ... although I'd like to have a real C++ guru look at that.
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  2402. # [22:56] <Ms2ger> jimb, back to Waldo it is, then
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  2407. # [22:57] <Waldo> we're going far enough behind the compiler's back there, or at least colluding with it, that I have nothing much to add
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  2409. # [22:57] <Waldo> I just read specs, and occasionally compiler docs :-)
  2410. # [22:57] <Ms2ger> OH: "Why is unboxing smart pointers bad?" "Because unboxing smart pointers is bad."
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  2413. # [22:58] <mbrubeck> Ms2ger: Is this one of those cycles that you collect?
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  2415. # [22:58] <mbrubeck> missed him
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  2421. # [23:01] <jimb> Waldo: My question is: Is that 'volatile' trick I'm pulling really going to work, for the reasons I claim it does in the comment?
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  2423. # [23:01] <jimb> Waldo: Every time I try to reason about memory ordering I make mistakes.
  2424. # [23:01] <Waldo> :-)
  2425. # [23:01] <froydnj> Waldo: boo, if the liveness bit wasn't necessary, we could just use some MSVC intrinsics
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  2427. # [23:02] <froydnj> jimb: welcome to the club, population everybody
  2428. # [23:02] <Waldo> froydnj: what intrinsic?
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  2430. # [23:02] <jimb> froydnj: But it seems like most of the population isn't aware that they find it confusing...
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  2432. # [23:02] <jimb> they just say a lot of untrue stuff
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  2434. # [23:03] <froydnj> Waldo: _ReadWriterBarrier does what we want, I think
  2435. # [23:03] <fabrice> !seen eviljeff
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  2439. # [23:05] <@bsmedberg> argh. gNullChar isn't const?
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  2456. # [23:11] <tn> mbrubeck, hmm, i could try looking at the metro chrome? or i could try creating a metro build, not sure how hard that is
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  2465. # [23:13] <mbrubeck> tn: You can add --enable-metro to your mozconfig to build Metro, and run "firefox -metrodesktop" to run it if you don't have Windows 8
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  2467. # [23:14] <mbrubeck> tn: I'm not sure how well it currently runs on Mac or Linux; we have code to support that for development purposes, but it's not tier 1
  2468. # [23:14] <tn> mbrubeck, oh, so a windows 7 machine wouldn't be too hard to use for metrofox? that's doable then
  2469. # [23:15] <mbrubeck> yeah, Windows 7 is good
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  2474. # [23:15] <mbrubeck> if there's no touchscreen, then you can set "ui.mouse.radius.inputSource.touchOnly" to false to test with mouse
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  2483. # [23:18] <briansmith> bsmedberg: you mentioned to me before that you had left a comment in some bug about fundamental problems with CPOWs. Do you happen to remember the bug number? I am in Toronto discussing things like that with a group of people and I want to make sure people are aware of your concerns
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  2486. # [23:19] <@bsmedberg> briansmith: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=867013#c2
  2487. # [23:19] <briansmith> thanks!
  2488. # [23:19] <@bsmedberg> briansmith: my concerns are primarily about nested event loops, since I don't think there's a way to prevent them from happening
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  2507. # [23:28] <dholbert> rail, looks like m-c builders are hitting some sort of tools issue - "unable to execute llvm-gcc-4.2: No such file or directory"
  2508. # [23:28] <dholbert> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=25576228&tree=Mozilla-Central#error0
  2509. # [23:28] <dholbert> s/builders/test-runners/
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  2511. # [23:29] * rail looks
  2512. # [23:29] <dholbert> (that accounts for both of the oranges currently visible on the tipmost push on m-c TBPL)
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  2516. # [23:30] <dholbert> rail, actually, never mind - we hit that on green builds, too. odd
  2517. # [23:30] <dholbert> rail, looks like the thing actually triggering the orange is "hdiutil: attach failed"
  2518. # [23:31] <rail> oh
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  2521. # [23:31] <rail> I see, I just rebooted that slave because of hdutil
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  2538. # [23:36] <dholbert> rail, I filed https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=896718 on the llvm-gcc-4.2 stuff
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  2540. # [23:37] <rail> thanks
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  2553. # [23:44] <giuliadm> hi, some days ago, i submitted a patch for bug 243833 (https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=243833) and i would like to be reviewed. Any advice?
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  2561. # [23:46] <@smaug> Standard8: could you help giuliadm
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  2563. # [23:47] <NeilAway> bsmedberg: if it's the one I'm thinking of, escape() tries to write zero to it
  2564. # [23:47] <@smaug> giuliadm: in general this channel is for Gecko development. mailnews/thunderbird has its own channel
  2565. # [23:47] <Standard8> smaug: not really, I'm not sure who would be better to ask for advice there
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  2567. # [23:50] <@bsmedberg> NeilAway: that's lovely, but something we can probably fix
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  2569. # [23:52] <dholbert> giuliadm, I'd ping bsmith if/when you see him online. In the meantime, it'd be worth rebasing your fix to current comm-central, and generating a patch using the steps described here: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Mercurial_FAQ#How_can_I_generate_a_patch_for_somebody_else_to_check-in_for_me.3F
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  2572. # [23:52] <dholbert> giuliadm, in particular: you want to be sure the patch has the right path information for the files (it doesn't currently), and your name / email address so you're correctly credited, and a commit message
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  2574. # [23:53] <RyanVM> bz: ping
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  2579. # [23:55] <giuliadm> dholbert: thanks, i will follow your suggestion
  2580. # [23:55] <dholbert> giuliadm, thanks!
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  2583. # [23:56] <dholbert> giuliadm, also: there's a better/easier way to check preferences now, without needing to create a nsCOMPTr<nsIPrefBranch>
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  2589. # [23:58] <dholbert> giuliadm, looks like it's "Preferences::GetBool()"
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  2591. # [23:59] <dholbert> giuliadm, see http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/search?string=Preferences%3A%3AGetBool&find=.cpp for examples
  2592. # [23:59] <giuliadm> dholbert, thanks again. i was asking you for examples
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