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7. # [00:00] * rstrong it has been a rough day :)
8. # [00:00] <mihneadb_> :(
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11. # [00:03] <@dolske> rstrong: http://i.imgur.com/A3zzLuh.jpg
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26. # [00:14] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/2ee2dc1d2bcc - Geoff Brown - Bug 896199 - Add event queue for Robocop; r=margaret
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34. # [00:23] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/f570fc641c5f - Mook - content: sync load service: don't die when channels have unknown size (b=894586 r=jst r=jduell)
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36. # [00:24] <firebot> Check-in:
37. # [00:24] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/25ac5bb0b22b - Mike de Boer - Bug 890690: adjust nsISearchSubmission to allow returning the postData as a string, and modify about:home to support POST search engines, r=gavin, a=lsblakk, ba=gavin
38. # [00:25] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/2287b2667565 - Brian Hackett - Bug 896154 - Don't check per thread data when verifying pre barriers until after worker threads have been paused, r=billm.
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57. # [00:35] <@smaug> Mook_as: curious, what lead you to change sync loading
58. # [00:36] <NeilAway> is the chrome debugger crashing for everyone or just me?
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64. # [00:38] <Mook_as> smaug: a JS-implemented protocol handler that generated a file and passed it to the file channel stuff for the real stuff. yes, it was loading css, which needed to be sync...
65. # [00:39] <@smaug> hmm, we use that service for css o_O
66. # [00:39] <@smaug> I'm surprised
67. # [00:39] <Mook_as> smaug: if you're really curious, https://github.com/ActiveState/komodoedit/blob/git-svn/src/components/koLessProtocolHandler.js
68. # [00:40] <Mook_as> and yes, CSS uses it for agent sheets
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73. # [00:40] <Mook_as> sorry, no, that's wrong, it uses it for StyleSheetService loadAndRegisterSHeet
74. # [00:40] <Mook_as> we just needed to use that to add an agent sheet :p
75. # [00:40] <@smaug> I thought it was for XMLDocument.load or such
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79. # [00:43] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/a685f0150c6c - Bobby Holley - Bug 893324 - Invoke CleanUp synchronously and unconditionally for modal dialog windows. r=jst
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82. # [00:44] <Callek> ATTENTION closing trees
83. # [00:44] <Callek> Fri 15:44:13 PDT [4273] builddata.pub.build.mozilla.org:http file age - /buildjson/builds-4hr.js.gz is CRITICAL: HTTP CRITICAL: HTTP/1.1 200 OK - Last modified 1:30:47 ago
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105. # [00:58] <froydnj> hm, mutt no longer likes to connect to mail.mozilla
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128. # [01:08] <catalinn> hello. I'm trying to implement a proxy settings test tool in about:networking. For that I've implemented 3 interfaces: nsiProtocolProxyService, nsiProtocolProxyCallback and nsiProxyInfo. I have included in dashboard.h macros as I should and in dashboard.cpp I've added interfeces in NS_IMPL_ISUPPORTS. Also in header I have included the nsi headers but still, at build it gives me: undefined reference to `mozilla::net::Dashboard::GetPro
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149. # [01:17] <froydnj> catalinn: can you pastebin dashboard.cpp?
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153. # [01:20] <catalinn> froydnj: would it be better if I give you the bug that this is filed in ?
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159. # [01:21] <froydnj> catalinn: sure, that'd work too
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161. # [01:21] <catalinn> froydnj: 898237
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167. # [01:24] <froydnj> catalinn: if you're going to add all those interfaces, you need to add implementations for all the attributes and methods defined in those interfaces
168. # [01:27] <froydnj> catalinn: so, for instance, for http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/netwerk/base/public/nsIProxyInfo.idl#22, you'll need to add NS_IMETHODIMP Dashboard::GetPort(uint64_t* result) { ... }
169. # [01:27] <froydnj> (or maybe that's uint32_t*)
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172. # [01:30] <catalinn> froydnj: thank you
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198. # [01:42] <mbrubeck> Riddle: What makes Firefox hang worse than loading a TBPL log?
199. # [01:42] <mbrubeck> Loading five TBPL logs!
200. # [01:43] <Jesse> mochitest 1 through 5?
201. # [01:43] <Jesse> because you don't know which slice your test is in?
202. # [01:44] <Jesse> (i keep doing that)
203. # [01:44] <mbrubeck> no, five Try jobs for bug 898504 because quintisecting is faster than bisecting if you can do the builds in parallel
204. # [01:45] <Jesse> faster, but more resource-hungry
205. # [01:46] <mbrubeck> yup
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207. # [01:47] <NeilAway> quintessential?
208. # [01:48] <mbrubeck> When you are working on an urgent bug that only affects Windows PGO builds, throwing resources at the problem is the only way to go.
209. # [01:48] * froydnj loves quintisecting to find bugs
210. # [01:49] <mbrubeck> Each of these builds takes 4+ hours, so I can only manage two or three rounds of builds per work day.
211. # [01:50] <mbrubeck> I guess if one build is bisecting, then five builds is... sextisecting?
212. # [01:50] <mbrubeck> I hear that's what the kids call it, anyways.
213. # [01:50] <Jesse> oof. i hope it's deterministic.
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216. # [01:51] <mbrubeck> yup
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222. # [01:52] <Jesse> mbrubeck: let me know if it turns out to be due to C++ undefined behavior that ASan, MSan, or UBSan would have caught.
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224. # [01:54] <Jesse> or is this the linker memory use issue, https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=898504 ?
225. # [01:54] <mbrubeck> Jesse: Yeah, that's the one.
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227. # [01:56] <mbrubeck> Things are looking bad for tbsaunde
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230. # [01:59] <mbrubeck> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=898504#c6
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248. # [02:25] <Callek> ATTENTION trees reoppening (to pre-closure state) be gentle
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254. # [02:28] <rnewman> taras: approved, and added you to safe sender list
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261. # [02:34] <peetonn> firebot uuid
262. # [02:34] <firebot> da0acc5b-3b8b-4631-94e6-2850a6f967ca (/msg firebot cid for CID form)
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264. # [02:36] <@gavin> grr, beta
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270. # [02:43] <Callek> o hi inbound: u have 98 unstarred failures :-P
271. # [02:44] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/2fd67ab03768 - Nick Alexander - Bug 898561 - Fix "configure: ... command not found" regression from Bug 895253. r=gps
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278. # [02:46] <@gavin> any sheriffs around?
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282. # [02:47] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/48d3d69fd9b1 - Christian Holler - Bug 895845 - Temporary ASan workaround in NS_IsMainThread. r=mccr8
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284. # [02:48] <@gavin> I clobbered beta because 25ac5bb0b22b needs it
285. # [02:48] <@gavin> I retriggered builds
286. # [02:48] <@gavin> once those are done I assume we should retrigger b-c to confirm
287. # [02:50] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/c456780d7d1f - Benjamin Smedberg - Bug 895939 - Click-to-activate plugin notification is ugly, r=jaws
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323. # [03:21] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/7a41bb1a3c9d - Daniel Holbert - Bug 898021 followup: compare viewType() result to the correct enum type. r=bhackett
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336. # [03:36] * dholbert does a backout to fix the looooong chain of Android R2 orange
337. # [03:37] <mjrosenb|ARM> dholbert: oh?
338. # [03:37] <dholbert> (in inbound)
339. # [03:37] <mjrosenb|ARM> dholbert: oh, R2, not M2
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370. # [04:18] <RyanVM|afk> dholbert: what's the story with the OSX asserts?
371. # [04:18] * RyanVM|afk really doesn't to deal with this shit tonight
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376. # [04:22] <@dbaron> yay, I got a "5 changesets omitted" in tbpl's view of my try push
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382. # [04:25] <RyanVM> 10:30 on a Friday night. Nothing I'd rather be doing than cleaning up a mess on inbound
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385. # [04:27] <@dbaron> close it, and the next person who wants to push can clean up?
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387. # [04:27] <Callek> RyanVM: in peoples defense we just had about 2-3 hours with absolutely no jobs *appearing* on tbpl
388. # [04:27] <Callek> 1 of those hours the tree was open
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390. # [04:28] <RyanVM> that's fantastic
391. # [04:28] <Callek> (s/no jobs/no new jobs/)
392. # [04:28] <RyanVM> dbaron: already closed
393. # [04:28] <Callek> yea I closed trees as soon as I saw the alert
394. # [04:28] <Callek> and went right to fixing relengs side
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418. # [04:46] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/009130768e09 - Ryan VanderMeulen - Backed out changeset f570fc641c5f (bug 894586) for xpcshell failures on a CLOSED TREE.
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425. # [04:56] <Waldo> nrc: pong
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427. # [04:58] <nrc> Waldo: hi, looking at your old code for image sizes, ComputeUnscaledSize, for -moz-elements which are SVG you use the background positioning area size as the intrinsic size (as opposed to the background painting area, which is what I would pick), do you remember why?
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436. # [05:08] <@khuey> firebot: uuid
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440. # [05:10] <Waldo> nrc: my skimming of bug 609714's patch suggests that using the background positioning area is what was previously done -- see http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/89c17ca55124#l1.121 and http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/89c17ca55124#l1.121 -- so I was likely attempting to preserve that rendering; of course the whole -moz-element system when the element is an SVG image should...
441. # [05:10] <Waldo> ...use the image element's size, not any sizing in the SVG image it displays, and that's what the spec said, but I was loathe to change too much in the patch (particularly when element() wasn't what the bug was about fixing)
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443. # [05:11] <Waldo> nrc: although
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446. # [05:12] <Waldo> nrc: I'm pretty sure the way all the image drawing/rendering algorithms work, the image is supposed to have its own intrinsic layout information -- it's not supposed to adapt something from the environment in which it's displayed -- and so using the painting area for the implicit intrinsic dimensions is just wrong conceptually
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448. # [05:13] <Waldo> nrc: gradients used to infer their intrinsic ratio from the background painting area, and bug 609714 changed that so gradients have no ratio at all
449. # [05:13] <Waldo> nrc: I commented on this change in the "Anything else to know?" section of http://whereswalden.com/2011/10/21/properly-resizing-vector-image-backgrounds/
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458. # [05:16] <nrc> by gradients here you mean specified gradients as opposed to -moz-elelement to an SVG gradient, right?
459. # [05:18] <Waldo> nrc: yes
460. # [05:18] <Waldo> nrc: really there's no reason rendering should differ, referring to an element(<img> element), if the image is backed by SVG versus if it's backed by something else
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462. # [05:19] <Waldo> <img src="/path/to/image" id=foo> element(#foo) shouldn't generate uncertain rendering, which it does if you don't know if /path/to/image is vector or bitmap
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464. # [05:24] <nrc> Waldo: are you saying a liner-grdient and an SVG gradient _should_ have the same sizing behaviour?
465. # [05:25] <Waldo> nrc: linear-gradient should have no intrinsic width, height, or ratio; an SVG gradient (that is, a gradient inside an SVG image) should have the intrinsic width, height, and ratio of the SVG image (if the SVG image has these)
466. # [05:25] <nrc> Waldo: btw, the awkward test case is the second div in http://dxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/layout/reftests/image-element/pattern-html-02.html
467. # [05:26] <Waldo> nrc: oh, referring to a gradient by ID, and not embedded in an SVG image directly referenced?
468. # [05:26] <nrc> Waldo: yes
469. # [05:26] <nrc> or a pattern in the test case
470. # [05:26] <nrc> but by id, not in a n image
471. # [05:27] <nrc> in this case we have no intrinsic size and we need to make up a 'natural' size to render the image at
472. # [05:28] <nrc> the old code used the background positioning area, but I would have used the background painting area
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474. # [05:28] <Waldo> nrc: I think in that case you'd want to take the sizing info from the gradient element referenced -- if it's an element that establishes a viewport, you use the width/height/viewBox from it; if it's not such an element, you use the width/height/ratio from it, or whatever subset of that is provided
475. # [05:29] <Waldo> this may not be what anything/anyone does, or ever has done, of course ;-)
476. # [05:30] <nrc> Waldo: but in the latter case (if we are userSpaceOnUse) we still need to make some decision about what user space to use
477. # [05:30] <Waldo> nrc: userSpaceOnUse? not familiar with the term
478. # [05:31] <nrc> Waldo: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/SVG/Attribute/gradientUnits
479. # [05:31] <nrc> use the user space for the size of the SVG gradient/pattern
480. # [05:32] <Waldo> ...
481. # [05:32] <Waldo> that is a seriously messed-up idea
482. # [05:32] * Waldo thinks
483. # [05:32] <nrc> heh
484. # [05:32] <nrc> "current user coordinate system in place at the time when the gradient element is referenced"
485. # [05:32] <nrc> is taken from the spec I think, but I can't find it right now (bad Google-fu)
486. # [05:33] <Waldo> yeah, it sounded like it :-)
487. # [05:33] <nrc> but it is unclear if that should mean the background-size or the size of the entire background area
488. # [05:33] <nrc> the old code took the former, but to me the latter seems more logical
489. # [05:33] <nrc> and the test above asserts the former too
490. # [05:33] <nrc> there is a similar test for gradients
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492. # [05:34] <Waldo> nrc: positioning area would be consistent with linear-gradient(), right? I think I would lean that way on the super-little thinking about it I'm doing now ;-)
493. # [05:34] * Waldo hates on "BPA" being ambiguous in all this
494. # [05:36] <Waldo> it's strange, too, I remember using BPA to refer to the background positioning area in comments and/or code, and never noting any ambiguity to it
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497. # [05:39] <nrc> so, for linear gradient: they are drawn into a box with dimensions gradient box which is equal to the conreate object size, which if there is a background-size is that (because it is the specified size)
498. # [05:39] <nrc> so, they should be relative to the background painting area, not the positioning are
499. # [05:39] <nrc> http://www.w3.org/TR/css3-images/#gradient-box
500. # [05:39] <nrc> *area
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502. # [05:40] <nrc> so, to be consistent with that, we should change the test linked above (if SVG patterns/gradients should be consistent with linear-gradient)
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504. # [05:41] <nrc> (btw, the current code is wrong in either respect, I'm trying to decide in which way to fix it)
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511. # [05:54] <nrc> Waldo: do you have an opinion on the above? The test was added in bug 506826 but I don't see any discussion in the bug, so I'll ask mstange in the new bug
512. # [05:55] <Waldo> nrc: honestly, I'm not sure my memory or depth of understanding right now is up to the task of having a well-reasoned opinion right now
513. # [05:56] <nrc> fair enough
514. # [05:56] <nrc> Waldo: thanks for your input, it has been useful
515. # [05:56] <Waldo> to some extent or other :-)
516. # [05:56] <Waldo> at this point it's been two years since I dove into all this, so memories are hazy
517. # [05:57] <Waldo> I do need to dive into some of it again to review test changes (they want all the background-size with vector tests to fit in 600x600), Real Soon Now, tho
518. # [05:57] <Waldo> those patches have been waiting for review for ~9 months now :-(
519. # [05:57] <nrc> heh, its only been two weeks since I looked at it and its already a bit hazy
520. # [05:57] <nrc> ouch
521. # [05:58] <Waldo> but reviewing 180 tests that differ only along ~5 axes, where the original tests were all generated and perhaps ideally should remain generated, *should* take a lot of time to do
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523. # [05:58] <Waldo> and amidst my actual work it's hard to find at least a solid day or two to devote solely to that task
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525. # [05:59] <Waldo> original tests used a lot of power-of-two numbers, so fit in 256x768 plus a little bit extra
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527. # [05:59] <nrc> doesn't sound like fun too
528. # [06:00] <Waldo> I was bumping up against pixel precision even with those large dimensions, so I don't think I can just divide every dimension by two and consider it a day
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538. # [06:08] <@dbaron> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Mozilla-Inbound&jobname=MacOSX.*debug.*mochitest
539. # [06:11] <@dbaron> anybody around who knows Bindings.conf?
540. # [06:11] <@dbaron> and, in particular, can give me a good reason not to assume that:
541. # [06:11] <@dbaron> https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/5f7438a285d0
542. # [06:11] <@dbaron> is the cause of the orange
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545. # [06:13] <@dbaron> though I'm inclined to think it might have been a machine config change
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548. # [06:16] <@dbaron> then again, it didn't hit m-c
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555. # [06:20] <@dbaron> So I guess the problem is that the backout is no longer valid because of something that's landed since?
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559. # [06:26] <Callek> dbaron: no machine config changes for 10.7 tests today at all
560. # [06:27] <Callek> dbaron: at least on the releng side
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563. # [06:28] <@dbaron> Callek, yeah, I moved away from that theory
564. # [06:29] <Callek> dbaron: ...actually this MIGHT be relevant: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=781736&action=diff
565. # [06:29] <@dbaron> Callek, no
566. # [06:29] <Callek> ok, I'll defer to you then
567. # [06:30] <@dbaron> I'm going to file a bug describing the orange
568. # [06:31] <Waldo> nuke all the changes from orbit, it's the only way to be sure
569. # [06:31] <Waldo> except my landings, of course, because my patches are always flawless
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571. # [06:35] <@dbaron> Waldo, the problem is that we'd need to back out a week's worth of changes
572. # [06:35] <@dbaron> Waldo, or we need to bisect with a backout
573. # [06:35] <@dbaron> Waldo, see https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=898713 for the explanation
574. # [06:36] <Waldo> yeah, I was obviously being facetious :-)
575. # [06:36] <@dbaron> Waldo, I think we're best off taking the bisection strategy
576. # [06:36] * Waldo waits for an open tree to land stuff, and for his final test-build to complete while the tree's still closed
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581. # [06:39] <Callek> Waldo: try is open
582. # [06:39] * Callek ducks
583. # [06:39] <Waldo> that's right, you'd better
584. # [06:39] <Waldo> I surgical-tried this stuff earlier today, actually
585. # [06:41] <@dbaron> Waldo, I would not expect inbound to reopen until midday tomorrow at the earliest
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587. # [06:42] <@dbaron> Waldo, at least, not unless we have a good sheriffing handoff to a European willing to spend their Saturday morning finishing the bisection
588. # [06:42] <Waldo> yeah, probably :-)
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591. # [06:43] * Waldo busies himself with other things while he waits, anyway
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595. # [06:47] <taras> thanks rnewman
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597. # [06:51] <ckitching> Nuking changes from orbit seems needlessly expensive..
598. # [06:51] <ckitching> Plus the wifi signal up there is bound to be patchy.
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600. # [06:51] <ckitching> Well, actually, less patchy, more faint.
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605. # [07:02] <@dbaron> could somebody double-check that my trychooser syntax in https://hg.mozilla.org/try/rev/c81ce7c03c51 is correct and is the right thing to test for this bisection?
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607. # [07:04] <sfink> dbaron: I think that should do the trick
608. # [07:04] <@dbaron> sfink, thanks
609. # [07:04] <@dbaron> sfink, I'm about to push about 10 of them, maybe more like 20, so I'd like it to be right :-)
610. # [07:05] <Callek> dbaron: other than doing the pushes, don't stay up for it, we *currently* have 264 pending jobs for 10.7 (across all trees)
611. # [07:05] <sfink> doing it with trybuilder, with the added 10.7, gives me try: -b d -p macosx64 -u mochitest-4[10.7] -t none
612. # [07:05] <@dbaron> Callek, that'll probably crash by the time the builds are done
613. # [07:06] <Callek> o sure, just wanted to warn you that it can be a while :-)
614. # [07:08] <mjrosenb|ARM> Callek: oh, you can take back the tegras + foopy now.
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617. # [07:10] <Callek> mjrosenb|ARM: ooo nice, can you reassign your loan bug to nobody@ and we'll reclaim it sometime during our normal workdays ;-)
618. # [07:10] <sfink> mjrosenb|ARM: wasn't that fun?
619. # [07:11] <Callek> mjrosenb|ARM: by the way, did you manage to figure out what you needed from it?
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627. # [07:30] <mjrosenb|ARM> Callek: not really. we ended up pushing to try and getting useful results right as I got tests running on the foopy/tegra.
628. # [07:31] <mjrosenb|ARM> I tried to use the tegren as a way of circumventing the massive wait time for m-i, but in the middle fo the first iteration, the tests locked up.
629. # [07:32] <Callek> mjrosenb|ARM: well sad to hear the foopy didn't help, happy to hear you got useful results elsewhere
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631. # [07:35] <ckitching> Hnh. Having a bit of a problem with the Try server.. I am trying to push four patches. I inadvertently pushed five, canceled the job, popped the extra patch, did the try push again, but now it's only sending the topmost patch, not the entire stack of four.
632. # [07:35] <ckitching> Any suggestions?
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634. # [07:35] <@dbaron> ckitching, should be fine
635. # [07:36] <@dbaron> ckitching, presumably you qrefreshed #4 between the pushes as well?
636. # [07:36] <@dbaron> ckitching, so the other three are already on try and didn't need to be pushed, but you're still testing the state in cset #4
637. # [07:37] <ckitching> dbaron: Ah - so it doesn't show the unchanged ones in the UI when you subsequently push?
638. # [07:37] <mjrosenb|ARM> Callek: indeed.
639. # [07:37] <ckitching> Right
640. # [07:37] <ckitching> I seem to have entirely misunderstood how Try works. Excellent.
641. # [07:38] <@dbaron> ckitching, it only shows what you pushed in that push. Changesets are immutable.
642. # [07:38] <@dbaron> ckitching, if you push on top of a relatively fresh mozilla-inbound, it'll also show that you've pushed the changesets that you pulled from m-i
643. # [07:38] <@dbaron> ckitching, if nobody else has pushed them to try before
644. # [07:38] <mjrosenb|ARM> Callek: you think anything bad would happen if we ran every test under gdb?
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647. # [07:39] <Callek> mjrosenb|ARM: afaik we can't run tests under gdb on mobile, for one -- for desktop its bound to severely slow things down as well, increasing our hardware requirements beyond what we can sustain right now
648. # [07:39] <mjrosenb|ARM> dbaron: the corollary to this is if you are working on a branch (e.g. IonMonkey), and you are the first person to push since try was swept, you get a nice fat 2,000 patch push.
649. # [07:39] <Callek> mjrosenb|ARM: I don't know for sure at all, but thats my theory on it all
650. # [07:40] <mjrosenb|ARM> Callek: gdb really shouldn't slow things down if it is just waiting for a sigsegv
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652. # [07:41] <Callek> mjrosenb|ARM: I admit I'm far from an expert, if you can convince people other than me its a good idea, great
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654. # [07:41] <Callek> I don't know enough to say one way or another though for certain
655. # [07:42] <mjrosenb|ARM> Callek: I was imagining a dream system, where tbpl + try run every test under gdb, or at least know how to force gdb to attach to themselves on segv, so you can set yourself up to monitor certain signatures, and if a crash occurs, then you get an email with an ssh pubkey letting you know that you have N minutes to log into the machine before gdb is discarded, and the machine gets added back to the pool.
656. # [07:42] * mjrosenb|ARM wonders where that got cut off
657. # [07:43] <Callek> mjrosenb|ARM: ahhhhhh, that won't happen for the way we have designed our systems atm
658. # [07:43] <Callek> (design both in technical and policy)
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660. # [07:44] <Callek> doesn't mean it can't be changed, but its far from easy to achieve (aiui)
661. # [07:44] <@dbaron> mjrosenb|ARM, gdb slows down loading shared libraries
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664. # [07:47] <mjrosenb|ARM> dbaron: fair, but in a 20 minute test run, if we take an extra 30 seconds to load a library, will that honestly increase our resource requirements that much?
665. # [07:48] <mjrosenb|ARM> I guess we could also try to make a segv handler that execs gdb, and attaches it to itself?
666. # [07:48] <@dbaron> mjrosenb|ARM, you're assuming one process per test run
667. # [07:48] <mjrosenb|ARM> I think windows has something to open VS on any crashed process.
668. # [07:48] <mjrosenb|ARM> dbaron: true. We don't just open the browser once, then poke it until the test is done?
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672. # [07:50] <@dbaron> mjrosenb|ARM, not for xpcshell, and not for things with e10s involved
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676. # [07:52] <Callek> also we explicitly turned that "thing" off on windows because if that dialog is up we can't do anything else with the system (reliably) until a human dismisses it
677. # [07:53] <Callek> that includes reboots and attempting to kill the process
678. # [07:53] <mjrosenb|ARM> dbaron: I don't think I've ever run one of those suites, so I'll take your word on it. Thanks for the info though.
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680. # [07:53] <mjrosenb|ARM> Callek: I'm guessing we couldn't put our own hook there that we can control better?
681. # [07:54] <Callek> in theory there is appropriate hooks on all OS's, the hard part is writing said hooks in a stable way, that don't break more important use cases
682. # [07:54] <Callek> since many of the useful APIs are under documented (or not documented at all), even on the windows side
683. # [07:54] <sfink> perhaps what you really want is for these tests to run in a VM, and if an interesting enough crash happens, the signal handler (or whatever detects the situation) forces a checkpoint of the VM, and you can get a copy of that
684. # [07:54] <mjrosenb|ARM> note: the last version of windows that I used on a full time basis was win2k, so I have absolutely no clue about actually using anything.
685. # [07:55] <Callek> sfink: iirc (before my time) we did basically that with a record-and-replay setup
686. # [07:55] <Callek> but I don't know why we stopped or what happened to it
687. # [07:56] <mjrosenb|ARM> sfink: android would need to be in an emulator, wich would be *painfully* slow, and as I understand it from decoder, kind of nasty.
688. # [07:56] <sfink> record/replay was probably even fancier, where it did periodic checkpoints so you could back up too
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690. # [07:56] <mjrosenb|ARM> Callek: I bet that would have made emulating user input much easier.
691. # [07:56] <Callek> mjrosenb|ARM: we can't run android in an emulator reliably (for arm chipsets anyway), especially because our android atm requires GPU accel and getting things with taht to work reliably is harder
692. # [07:57] <mjrosenb|ARM> sfink: hypervisor!
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694. # [07:57] <mjrosenb|ARM> Callek: yeah, that is the 'kind of nasty' part.
695. # [07:58] <sfink> mjrosenb|ARM: can you get a full core dump? (not just a minidump converted to a core file)
696. # [07:58] <Callek> mjrosenb|ARM: to put it in perspective I tried to get it working on our build machines, both AWS VM's, and in-house-physical-machines with android emulator and after 2-3 weeks of effort even getting fennec to _launch_ I had to give up... this was in efforts of setting up a PGO build for fennec ;-)
697. # [07:58] <Callek> and I had lots of hands on help from people smarter than me
698. # [07:58] <mjrosenb|ARM> hrmm, I should probably try to re-land the patch that jbramley r+'ed a while back, and verify that it had nothing to do with the onslaught of trace crashes
699. # [07:59] <mjrosenb|ARM> sfink: on android?
700. # [07:59] <sfink> yeah
701. # [07:59] <mjrosenb|ARM> sfink: there is a bug on that. it involves some hoops
702. # [07:59] <mjrosenb|ARM> some of the hoops may or may not be on fire.
703. # [08:00] <sfink> what do you need to see that wasn't in the minidump?
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705. # [08:01] <mjrosenb|ARM> Callek: about six months ago, I added support for making an arm-linux js shell look like an x86 program using qemu. It works pretty well unless you are fuzzing.
706. # [08:02] <mjrosenb|ARM> sfink: I needed the 16 bytes after an address that was an argument to a function that was one frame up from the crashing frame
707. # [08:02] <mjrosenb|ARM> sfink: basically, up; x/4i *arg; in gdb would have been enough to get this bug fixed a long time ago.
708. # [08:03] <sfink> mjrosenb|ARM: but the stack frame layout should be identical to a local build; can't you hardcode the right offsets to write() that data to the log?
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710. # [08:03] <mjrosenb|ARM> this is actually the second time that I just wanted <20 bytes of data from a crash, and ended up spending a week or more tracking down the failure.
711. # [08:03] <sfink> or use __builtin_frame_address() or whatever?
712. # [08:04] <mjrosenb|ARM> sfink: well, the problem was that we were adding lots of spew to the logs, but nothing interesting was showing in the logs.
713. # [08:04] <sfink> why not?
714. # [08:05] <mjrosenb|ARM> sfink: I had some theories, but ultimately, in about 90% of our pushes to try, adding in spew did nothing useful.
715. # [08:05] <mjrosenb|ARM> sfink: there was lots of output in the logs, just nothing from around the crash
716. # [08:05] <sfink> oh, so perhaps a flushing problem of some sort
717. # [08:05] <mjrosenb|ARM> sfink: this was mostly when we were attempting to figure out when/where things were going wrong.
718. # [08:05] <sfink> hm, can you open() a file from a signal handler?....
719. # [08:06] <mjrosenb|ARM> sfink: supposedly the android debug log isn't supposed to have buffering issues?
720. # [08:06] <sfink> I know nuthin'
721. # [08:06] <mjrosenb|ARM> sfink: but opening a file on tbpl doesn't sound useful?
722. # [08:07] <sfink> you'd write it to some place in /tmp, then ask releng to give you access to that exact system
723. # [08:07] <sfink> as long as you write outside of the build directories, it shouldn't get wiped out by later tests
724. # [08:07] <mjrosenb|ARM> sfink: well, not /tmp, since the tegras are rebooted after every test
725. # [08:07] <sfink> well, /tmp might get wiped on a reboot
726. # [08:07] <sfink> heh, yeah
727. # [08:08] <sfink> alternative workaround: make a global buffer to keep your debugging info, register it with breakpad, and then in the signal handler cram your stuff into it
728. # [08:08] <sfink> then pull it out of the minidump
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730. # [08:08] <sfink> but it's weird that the log was getting clipped off
731. # [08:09] <mjrosenb|ARM> sfink: oh, you're suggesting that we log a ton of stuff in the segv handler?
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733. # [08:09] <sfink> well, hopefully you don't need *too* much
734. # [08:09] <sfink> I doubt breakpad lets you save away huge chunks of data
735. # [08:09] <sfink> but I don't know what the limit is
736. # [08:10] <sfink> (the limit might actually just be in the uploader, which wouldn't matter here)
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738. # [08:10] <sfink> but yeah, basically finding some way to log what you need from the signal handler
739. # [08:11] <mjrosenb|ARM> sfink: I asked bill about logging stuff with breakpad, and his response was 'try print debugging, your life will be easier'
740. # [08:11] <sfink> yeah, that's what I would say too, but it sounds like printf debugging isn't working out so well for some bizarre reason
741. # [08:11] <mjrosenb|ARM> sfink: but either way, the turn around time on the initial 'figure out what data we even need to look at' is huge here, compared with running it under gdb.
742. # [08:11] <sfink> sure
743. # [08:12] <sfink> I'm mostly talking from my experience with trying to track down a failure that happened once or twice in every 300 runs, and wanting similar things
744. # [08:13] <mjrosenb|ARM> sfink: was it a crash, or something more sinister?
745. # [08:13] <sfink> I actually started down the truly crazy route, which was to allow the program to register a chunk of bytecode with breakpad, and breakpad would have an embedded interpreter that would run the bytecode. The output would be a range of addresses to add into the minidump.
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747. # [08:13] <sfink> I stopped doing that when I realized what a yak shaving exercise it would be
748. # [08:14] <sfink> it was a problem with the profiler, where once in a while it would see an exit from a script that it didn't remember entering
749. # [08:14] <mjrosenb|ARM> sfink: that isn't yak shaving
750. # [08:14] <mjrosenb|ARM> sfink: that is yak grooming, with nothing more than a pair of tweezers.
751. # [08:15] <sfink> either way, I'd end up with a pissed off yak
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754. # [08:17] <mjrosenb|ARM> Callek: ping?
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772. # [09:03] <@gavin> I clobbered it now, retriggering builds
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816. # [09:55] <@dbaron> Callek, could something have caused completed builds to stop showing up again?
817. # [09:58] <@dbaron> Callek, never mind, just very slow
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830. # [10:24] <@dbaron> ok, going to sleep, and how to continue the bisection in order to reopen inbound is described in https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=898713
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874. # [11:11] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/a0c2043c95e3 - gkrizsanits@mozilla.com - Bug 877164, return early if nsDocument::Init fails, r=smaug
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882. # [11:25] <@smaug> does each scrollable area form a layer in layer tree?
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885. # [11:28] <Optimizer> as in an overflowing div ?
886. # [11:29] <Optimizer> I don't think that each get its own layer ...
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969. # [13:12] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/a2c4d9491491 - Olli Pettay - Bug 897433 - Telemetry for SnowWhite and more async SnowWhite freeing (patch v4), r=mccr8
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982. # [13:27] <Optimizer> why the name snow white ?
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987. # [13:32] <@smaug> Optimizer: because in cycle collector objects to unlink are white, and snow-white objects are objects to delete
988. # [13:32] <Ms2ger> about:tabs is interesting...
989. # [13:32] <@smaug> (black are certainly alive objects, and gray objects are possibly garbage)
990. # [13:33] <Ms2ger> 260 tabs... mxr.mozilla.org (121 tabs, 120 unique)
991. # [13:33] <@smaug> hmm, about:tabs
992. # [13:33] <@smaug> is that something very new
993. # [13:33] <Optimizer> an addon
994. # [13:33] <Ms2ger> ^
995. # [13:33] <@smaug> oh
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998. # [13:34] <Ms2ger> (Also: 40 bmo, 11 hgmo, 11 tbpl and 7 people)
999. # [13:34] <Optimizer> does anyone know why domUtils.getCSSValuesForProperty will not work for some time and then suddenly start working while in a test. It is a very rare intermittent, but I cannot land a known intermittent : https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=25805478&tree=Try&full=1#error1
1000. # [13:35] <Optimizer> in the whole push, only fedora 64 debug showed it once .
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1002. # [13:35] <Optimizer> nothing seems unusual when I compare with the green fedora runs
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1004. # [13:35] <@smaug> missing flush somewhere?
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1008. # [13:38] <Optimizer> flush ?
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1010. # [13:38] <Optimizer> paint flush ?
1011. # [13:38] <@smaug> layout flush
1012. # [13:38] <@smaug> but that was just a guess
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1014. # [13:39] <Optimizer> so the feature works like : domUtils.getCSSValuesForProperty is supposed to return an array, and that array gets filtered and first entry is put in an input box
1015. # [13:39] <Optimizer> this all happen on a keypress in the input box
1016. # [13:40] <Optimizer> so in test I simulate keypresses and in that particular test, the first 5-6 keypresses do nothing .
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1018. # [13:40] <Optimizer> input box does not get the filled like it should
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1020. # [13:41] <Optimizer> |input.value| is what I typed, while it should be |what I typed + completed value|
1021. # [13:42] <jabbar1> I have problem with statement.executeAsync my code is:http://pastebin.mozilla.org/2721953
1022. # [13:42] <jabbar1> i call existDomain but statement.executeAsync execute after function return.how to fix it.
1023. # [13:43] <jabbar1> I need return immediately because i observe any request and pass the domain of every request to this function that check it with my db if exist return true
1024. # [13:44] <jabbar1> plz help me
1025. # [13:44] <Optimizer> (I have send a new try with some spewing so that I know which end is the cause of the issue)
1026. # [13:45] <darktrojan> what's up with twice-weekly betas now?
1027. # [13:46] <darktrojan> is one not enough any more?
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1029. # [13:47] <Archaeopteryx> only in the first and last week iirc
1030. # [13:47] <darktrojan> we're up to beta 9
1031. # [13:47] <Optimizer> opposite of ease-in-out timing function
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1033. # [13:47] <darktrojan> so it's not that
1034. # [13:48] <Optimizer> 9 = 2 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 2 + 1 final ?
1035. # [13:48] <Optimizer> that makes 6 weeks
1036. # [13:48] <Optimizer> seems okay
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1038. # [13:49] <darktrojan> I've had two a week every week this version
1039. # [13:49] <darktrojan> except not the first week
1040. # [13:50] <Optimizer> hmm, ease-out ?
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1042. # [13:50] <Optimizer> sorry ease-in
1043. # [13:50] <darktrojan> linear, with delay :P
1044. # [13:51] <Optimizer> lol
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1046. # [13:52] <darktrojan> otoh, one thunderbird beta per version
1047. # [13:53] <darktrojan> I guess it's 7 per release version
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1059. # [14:02] <nhnt11> Hi, I'm working on Instantbird for GSoC. I've added a new service component, and it works fine when running a tier_app build. But when I do a package build and run the packaged app, I'm getting this error: http://pastebin.instantbird.com/262221. I was able to solve it by adding instantbird.xpt to package-manifest.in (which I guessed because I defined MODULE = instantbird in the Makefile). Is this a correct solution?
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1062. # [14:04] <nhnt11> I'm not sure if that question had all the context required. Please let me know if I need to elaborate further.
1063. # [14:04] <@smaug> nhnt11: if you're adding new interfaces, you should add also the .xpt file to the package
1064. # [14:05] <nhnt11> smaug: Do you mean I should add the xpt file specific to the interface as well?
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1066. # [14:05] <nhnt11> Or /only/ that one?
1067. # [14:06] <@smaug> nhnt11: you have added one new interface?
1068. # [14:06] <nhnt11> Yes.
1069. # [14:06] <@smaug> and you're implementing an addon?
1070. # [14:06] <nhnt11> Er, sorry, there are 2 interfaces. But they're in the same idl file and only one xpt is being generated as I can see in the objdir.
1071. # [14:06] <nhnt11> No, this is directly in the source.
1072. # [14:06] <@smaug> or is this about instantbird
1073. # [14:07] <nhnt11> Yes this is about instantbird.
1074. # [14:07] <@smaug> does instantbird not have its own interfaces? I mean are you adding the first ones?
1075. # [14:08] <@smaug> but sounds like packaging instantbird.xpt is the right thing to do, if it is missing from instantbird right now
1076. # [14:09] <nhnt11> It has interfaces in the chat/ subdirectory which are shared with Thunderbird. I believe this is the first interface in the instantbird/ directory.
1077. # [14:09] <nhnt11> Ok, thanks!
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1143. # [15:52] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/36326783bd82 - Dão Gottwald - Backed out fe1213d6035d (bug 887868) because it seems to have caused bug 898713. CLOSED TREE
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1152. # [15:58] <fbender> hey, quick question: what is webclient (found here: 204188)?
1153. # [15:59] <fbender> is this only a wrapper for the JS engine in Java?
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1157. # [16:02] <dao> who can give me access to treestatus.mozilla.org?
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1159. # [16:06] <Ms2ger> Not sure; I'd guess edmorley / philor, but neither is around
1160. # [16:06] <Ms2ger> But I have access if you need something reopened
1161. # [16:06] <dao> inbound once it's green
1162. # [16:07] <dao> I have reason to believe that the latest backout will make it green
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1165. # [16:09] <Ms2ger> Ping me when it is?
1166. # [16:10] <dao> yeah
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1184. # [16:34] <Ms2ger> Wasn't bzexport supposed to be able to send multiple patches at once?
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1214. # [17:15] <marxin> Hello, I would like to build firefox with profile feedback, but it looks like the profile file corruption is very common. It looks like some objects files are migrated during compilation process? Is it possible? Do you have any experiences with profile and firefox?
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1219. # [17:27] <dao> Ms2ger: one could argue that it's green enough now
1220. # [17:28] <dao> considering that all the failures it was closed for were on OS X
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1232. # [17:39] <Ms2ger> dao, okay, reopened
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1235. # [17:40] <dao> Ms2ger: thanks
1236. # [17:40] <Ms2ger> Np
1237. # [17:41] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/d12b8094728e - Dão Gottwald - Bug 788422 - Use UserAgentOverrides.jsm as designed to fix YouTube on tablets. r=bnicholson
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1302. # [19:14] <Callek> mjrosenb|ARM: sorry was gone by the time you pinged me -- whats up?
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1316. # [19:28] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/6d730e476cf4 - ffxbld - No bug, Automated HSTS preload list update from host bld-linux64-ec2-489 - a=hsts-update
1317. # [19:29] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/a2c4d9491491 - Olli Pettay - Bug 897433 - Telemetry for SnowWhite and more async SnowWhite freeing (patch v4), r=mccr8
1318. # [19:29] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/a0c2043c95e3 - gkrizsanits@mozilla.com - Bug 877164, return early if nsDocument::Init fails, r=smaug
1319. # [19:29] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/75e2498668df - Ryan VanderMeulen - Merge m-c to inbound.
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1347. # [20:04] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/7a41eacda2cb - Matt Brubeck - Bug 897674 - Don't use STL wrappers when building maintenance service [r=gps]
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1364. # [20:24] <@dbaron> dao, thanks for finishing up the inbound bisection
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1366. # [20:25] <dao> dbaron: was pretty easy to pick up from where you left it. thanks for that
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1368. # [20:26] <@dbaron> dao, you're welcome. Still, thanks for finish it. :-)
1369. # [20:28] <@dbaron> finishing
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1377. # [20:36] <mjrosenb|ARM> Callek: so, the bugI just fixed has the same sgnature as a crash that exists in 23
1378. # [20:37] <mjrosenb|ARM> Callek: I also found 2 other issues that could lead to the same signature
1379. # [20:37] <efaust> mjrosenb|ARM: you've been busy :)
1380. # [20:37] <Callek> mjrosenb|ARM: sounds like a bug you might want to raise for possible approvals for 23 or 24 :-)
1381. # [20:37] * Callek has no direct insight into that process though
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1383. # [20:39] <mjrosenb|ARM> Callek: we don't really have any way of testing to see if they are present.
1384. # [20:40] * Callek only pretends to be omniscient :-)
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1388. # [20:43] <mjrosenb|ARM> Callek: so should I just land all three, and assume the risk makes it worthwile?
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1421. # [21:31] <Optimizer> is Win2012 x64 (VM) opt even suppose to build ? I never have seen it green in my last 10 trys
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1453. # [22:06] <mfinkle> mjrosenb|ARM, land on m-c? you could land them all
1454. # [22:06] <mfinkle> are you hoping to see if one of the patches fixes the issue specifically?
1455. # [22:06] <mfinkle> i suppose the hard way would be to land the patches over the course of a few days
1456. # [22:07] <mfinkle> to see if crashes are affected by one of the patches
1457. # [22:07] <mfinkle> in a particular nightly
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1468. # [22:15] <mjrosenb|ARM> mfinkle: the issue is on beta, not nightly, and there will only be one more beta before release
1469. # [22:16] <mfinkle> mjrosenb|ARM, oh boy
1470. # [22:16] <mjrosenb|ARM> mfinkle: the problem is the crash on beta never reproduces on tbpl, and I'm not sure the crash on nightly ever reproduced outside of tbpl
1471. # [22:16] <mjrosenb|ARM> which is why I'm interested in landing all three patches on beta.
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1473. # [22:16] <mfinkle> mjrosenb|ARM, desktop or mobile?
1474. # [22:16] <mjrosenb|ARM> mobile only.
1475. # [22:16] <mfinkle> desktop allows for multiple betas during a week
1476. # [22:16] <mfinkle> oh biy
1477. # [22:16] <mfinkle> boy
1478. # [22:17] <mfinkle> mjrosenb|ARM, any downside to landing all 3?
1479. # [22:17] <mfinkle> risk, i assume
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1481. # [22:17] <mjrosenb|ARM> mfinkle: not that I know of. they all handle cases that should come up rarely at best, and as far as I can tell, no code relies on the incorrect behavior for correctness.
1482. # [22:18] <mfinkle> has the code hit nightly or aurora yet?
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1485. # [22:19] <mjrosenb|ARM> two of the three patches have landed
1486. # [22:19] <mjrosenb|ARM> although the first to land also got backed out
1487. # [22:19] <mjrosenb|ARM> there was nothing wrong with it, just I assumed it was wrong when actually something unrelated caused some crashes.
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1489. # [22:21] <mfinkle> release management will look at the severity of the crashes
1490. # [22:21] <mfinkle> try to see if it's worth taking the code in the last beta
1491. # [22:21] <mfinkle> technically, they don't like to take any new code in the last beta
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1512. # [22:51] <mjrosenb|ARM> mfinkle: yeah, that is why I pinged Callek, although I guess I don't actually know who is in release management.
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1561. # [23:36] <mfinkle> mjrosenb|ARM, akeybl and bajaj
1562. # [23:37] <mfinkle> ans lsblakk
1563. # [23:37] <mfinkle> and*
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1567. # [23:42] <mjrosenb|ARM> akeybl: bajaj: lsblakk: ping?
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