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# [00:01] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/7aaee10b08e1 - Olli Pettay - Bug 899089 - Improve event listener reporting in CC graphs, r=khuey
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# [00:13] <KWierso|Home> nsm: ping?
# [00:13] <nsm> KWierso|Home: pong
# [00:13] <tessarakt> is there an issue with tryservers?
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# [00:13] <KWierso|Home> nsm: bustage on your push?
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# [00:14] <tessarakt> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Thunderbird-Try
# [00:14] <tessarakt> japp
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# [00:14] <nsm> KWierso|Home: ugh, yes
# [00:15] <nsm> wonder how it succeeded on 10.6 though
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# [00:16] <KWierso|Home> nsm: got a fix handy?
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# [00:17] <nsm> KWierso|Home: i think so, 5 minutes?
# [00:17] <KWierso|Home> nsm: works for me
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# [00:20] <nthomas> tessarakt: what do you mean ?
# [00:20] <tessarakt> the issue is with the c-c tree apparently
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# [00:20] <tessarakt> jcranmer has a vague idea what it might be
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# [00:22] <nsm> KWierso|Home: please backout, i'll need review on the fix
# [00:22] <KWierso|Home> nsm: okay
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# [00:25] <mayhemer> why is m-c running plugin-container even there are absolutely no plugins active in a profile?
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# [00:25] <@gavin> mayhemer: background tab thumbnailing enabled content processes
# [00:25] <mayhemer> any why there are many assertions in that plugin-container in layout/ files? are we running renderer out of process?
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# [00:25] <@gavin> bug 870100
# [00:25] <mayhemer> gavin: aha!
# [00:26] <mayhemer> gavin: thanks
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# [00:27] <KWierso|Home> nsm: done
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# [00:27] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/c2b375f3a909 - Wes Kocher - Backed out changeset 675ea8aeb804 (bug 884897) for breaking builds on a CLOSED TREE
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# [00:32] <MattN> Waldo: have you seen the tree-management emails? I suspect the regressions are from bug 853301
# [00:32] <MattN> nvm, I see mbrubeck already commented
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# [00:33] <Waldo> yeah
# [00:34] <Waldo> although, I'm not sure exactly what I want to be doing about it :-\
# [00:34] <Waldo> fundamentally, throwing a bunch more binary size into the mix is going to hurt stuff
# [00:34] <Waldo> and I'm not sure how to distinguish more binary size effects, from anything else that might be involved
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# [00:35] <evilpie> It's working \o/
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# [00:41] <Waldo> evilpie: "it"?
# [00:41] <gabadie> who is working on MFBT ?
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# [00:41] <Waldo> gabadie: lots of people, as they need stuff; why?
# [00:41] <evilpie> Waldo: my first gecko class
# [00:41] <jcranmer> std::function is fun :-P
# [00:41] <vladan> bsmedberg: did you change something in Status Board that could have broken the RSS feeds for statuses?
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# [00:42] <@smaug> the emails from status board looked weird too
# [00:43] <@smaug> oh, and it didn't send reminder
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# [00:43] <gabadie> Waldo : I may have a patch to be able to have MOZ_BEGIN_ENUM_CLASS in a class, could you review it if create a bug ?
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# [00:46] <gabadie> Waldo, sorry, can't stay longer. I talk to you tomorrow. Thanks !
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# [00:47] <Waldo> ...okay :-)
# [00:47] * Waldo wonders how that's at all possible, but he guesses he'll find out
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# [00:48] <catalinn> is there a function that could convert int32_t to uint32_t, or a simple cast would be enough?
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# [00:50] <Waldo> gaston: regarding Intl stuff, the most-supported way to build ICU, that we use now, involves calling a shell script that takes very particular parameters, and has to be custom-invoked per platform/compiler, roughly; there's no way we could have added BSD support there without actually doing a BSD-targeted build, and none of us use anything BSDish, so :-\
# [00:50] <Waldo> gaston: I agree that --disable-intl-api is the way forward
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# [00:50] <Waldo> in the short run, at least
# [00:51] <Waldo> we need to rejigger how ICU gets built to support Android and b2g builds; it's possible BSD might fit more naturally after those changes
# [00:51] <Waldo> maybe
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# [00:52] <marco> past: ping
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# [00:53] <Waldo> tbsaunde: the default constructor's constexpr-ness is specified by C++11; gcc can do whatever it wants, of course, about inferring constexpr-ness, but we can't rely on that
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# [00:54] <Waldo> froydnj: is { .asBits = ... } syntax MSVC accepts? I thought that only appeared with C99
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# [00:55] <mihneadb> mayhemer: hey. Any idea about the intermittent RyanVM|afk posted?
# [00:55] <mihneadb> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=899690
# [00:56] <jcranmer> Waldo, froydnj: designated initializers are not supported by MSVC right now
# [00:56] <mayhemer> mihneadb: I haven't took a look so far
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# [00:57] <mihneadb> mayhemer: we could take out the lazy getter and start the server at the top of the file
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# [00:57] <mihneadb> but I don't see how that would help :S
# [00:57] <mihneadb> let me know if I can help you with it
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# [00:58] <Waldo> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.std.c++/i3MxsIeQRa0 suggests they're not in C++11 at all, actually
# [00:59] <Waldo> and that there are issues to resolve about adding them
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# [00:59] <mayhemer> mihneadb: if you have idea how to fix it, then take it and work on it, just let me know. I can take a look tomorrow (I'm deeply in the new cache now)
# [00:59] <mihneadb> mayhemer: I don't really have an idea, no. I'll wait for you to have a look
# [01:00] <gps> mach update-uuids is pretty handy!
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# [01:00] <evilpie> Waldo: is there some strcmp in mfbt?
# [01:00] <Waldo> evilpie: PodEqual, looks like
# [01:00] <mayhemer> mihneadb: ok, I'll take the bug
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# [01:00] <mihneadb> mayhemer: ok
# [01:00] <mihneadb> ty
# [01:01] <Waldo> evilpie: mfbt/* is pretty small, not too bad to skim yourself generally
# [01:01] <mihneadb> mayhemer: if you have any hunches after you see it and you are too busy I can help you with changing the file &stuff
# [01:01] <Waldo> evilpie: especially given http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/mfbt/ displays file descriptions
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# [01:01] <evilpie> neat
# [01:01] <evilpie> how does that work?
# [01:01] <mayhemer> mihneadb: I'll do the analyzes, but I'll let you write the patch probably ;)
# [01:01] <mihneadb> sure
# [01:02] <mihneadb> it's my fault probably anyway
# [01:02] <mihneadb> :)
# [01:02] <mayhemer> mihneadb: we'll see
# [01:02] <Waldo> evilpie: just a comment at top of the file, after the license block; we should do it more places
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# [01:02] <Waldo> evilpie: various layout/* directories use it pretty consistently
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# [01:02] <Waldo> evilpie: I dunno how widespread it's done, offhand
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# [01:02] <Waldo> having that's been a ground rule in mfbt/, so things are copacetic there
# [01:03] <evilpie> mfbt is a nice place
# [01:03] <Waldo> :-)
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# [01:03] <evilpie> there is also some way to add descriptions to repos, which we often don't use
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# [01:07] <mjrosenb|ARM> I just opened fx, and had it restore all my tabs
# [01:08] <mjrosenb|ARM> now every crash-stats page opens what I want it to, then immediately redirects to https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/home/products/FennecAndroid
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# [01:10] <Waldo> catalinn: if you want something that will only convert when the int32_t->uint32_t won't change the value, SafeCast<uint32_t>(int32_t) in "mozilla/Casting.h" may be what you want
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# [01:34] <froydnj> Waldo: it doesn't; so we don't run that code on msvc
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# [01:36] <Waldo> ah
# [01:36] * Waldo is leery of compiler-specific code like that, tbh
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# [01:37] <froydnj> Waldo: yeah; I think the win may be worth the small amount of pain in this case
# [01:37] <tbsaunde> Waldo: but what's a man to do when a compiler won't be an adult
# [01:38] <Waldo> tbsaunde: properly speaking, designated initializers don't belong in a C++ compiler, so...
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# [01:39] <froydnj> I guess we could make jsval_layout have intelligent constexpr constructors
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# [01:40] <Waldo> yeah; hopefully that doesn't drag in C++11 union constructor support requirements (or are those well-supported-ish already?)
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# [01:40] <Waldo> I'd like to get rid of jsval_layout, actually, and fold it into JS::Value, but haven't had time to sort through any of it
# [01:41] <Waldo> the extra indirection doesn't really simplify readability
# [01:41] <sunfish> ++Waldo
# [01:42] <froydnj> not sure what the union constructor support requirements of which you speak are
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# [01:42] <Waldo> well, unions couldn't have constructors or anything like that in C++98, ergo they couldn't be constexpr
# [01:43] <froydnj> aha
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# [01:43] <Waldo> other than by (maybe?) the first member with brace-init
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# [01:44] <froydnj> hm, doesn't appear to be on the apache c++ page
# [01:44] <@roc> I hope the C++11 gold rush doesn't turn out like the original C++ gold rush
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# [01:45] <tbsaunde> roc: what was the original one?
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# [01:46] <tbsaunde> also so far its just been demacroifying crap which seems pretty harmless
# [01:46] <@roc> A lot of projects went crazy using C++ features
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# [01:46] <@roc> which turned out badly. Very badly.
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# [01:46] <Waldo> of the new C++11 features, possible overuse of auto is possibly the most worrisome one to me, possibly
# [01:47] <@roc> which spawned the "let's stick to a simple C++ subset that everyone understands" movement
# [01:47] <Waldo> it's possible I'm overly fearful, of course, possibly
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# [01:47] <@roc> you're overly fearful of being overly fearful
# [01:47] <@dbaron> Waldo, I think auto auto auto auto auto auto auto.
# [01:47] <Waldo> btw, dbaron, I read your "They document our understanding of how the system is supposed to work." as addressing the rationale you "missed" as noted in your "Update:"
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# [01:48] <Waldo> the only thing I have to fear is fear itself :-)
# [01:48] <mwu> a dangerous positive feedback loop
# [01:49] <@roc> auto doesn't look that dangerous to me
# [01:49] <Waldo> tbsaunde: the rvalue reference stuff is going to be somewhat mind-numbing for people to grok, pretty clearly; it took me a few hours' reading, and multiple readings, of a 10-part article series to understand them enough to do a f? request on getting rid of our existing make-work Move/MoveRef setup
# [01:49] <@roc> I'm more afraid of rvalue references, because they seem subtle
# [01:49] <@roc> bingo!
# [01:49] <Waldo> ^ great minds think alike :-)
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# [01:50] <froydnj> js/Value.h:423:62: sorry, unimplemented: non-trivial designated initializers not supported
# [01:50] <froydnj> argh!
# [01:51] <Waldo> although, to be fair, the takeaway from that ten-part series was three points on the last page of it, which can be applied moderately brain-off-ishly
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# [01:51] <Waldo> which may be downplaying a little too far, but may not be too far off
# [01:53] <Waldo> roc: the "sometimes code is clearer" con at http://google-styleguide.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/cppguide.xml#auto is what I have slight misgivings about, although I've never played with auto because we haven't been able to use it
# [01:53] <Waldo> could be overblown in practice
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# [01:54] <@dbaron> Waldo, yeah, I guess I sort of mentioned it, but didn't include it in the summary
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# [01:54] <Waldo> dbaron: nice post, if I didn't imply it before :-)
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# [01:55] <@dbaron> Waldo, thanks
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# [02:02] <tbsaunde> roc: ah, I've heard about c++ madness but never really done c++ outside of mozillaish stuff
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# [02:04] <@roc> jduell: ping
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# [02:06] <@roc> dbaron: I think it would be a good idea to get rid of the "zeroing operator new" stuff. What do you think?
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# [02:06] <@dbaron> roc, seems reasonable... bunch of manual labor sticking initializers in
# [02:06] <@roc> yes, but I find it ultra confusing to have data members which aren't initialized
# [02:07] <Waldo> not to mention you lose out on valgrind warnings about using "uninitialized" members
# [02:07] <@roc> people submit patches with new members that aren't initialized, and I have to check whether that class has a zeroing operator new
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# [02:07] <@khuey> does anything use it besides the presshell?
# [02:07] <Waldo> although I have no idea how much people try running the browser with valgrind, given speed
# [02:07] <@roc> and then there are contributors who've never even heard of zeroing operator new and get all confused
# [02:08] <@roc> nsDocumentViewer uses it too
# [02:08] <@dbaron> a lot of things use it
# [02:08] <@khuey> mm, documents, docshell
# [02:08] <@khuey> pres context
# [02:08] <@khuey> lots of ancient things
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# [02:08] <@roc> who knows about Necko who's around
# [02:08] <@dbaron> I think things out of the frame arena also use it, but implicitly, no?
# [02:09] <@roc> probably
# [02:09] <@roc> right now we're probably double-initializing a lot of members
# [02:09] <@dbaron> maybe getting rid of http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/search?string=DECL_AND_IMPL_ZEROING would be a more useful first step
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# [02:10] <@dbaron> I'm not convinced it'd be at the top of my things-to-clean-up list, but I'm certainly ok with doing it.
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# [02:10] <@roc> NECKO JUST STABBED ME IN THE HEAD, SOMEONE HELP
# [02:10] <dholbert> jduell, ^
# [02:10] * @dbaron needs to write that patch to rename NS_FRAME_IS_SPECIAL
# [02:10] <dholbert> (oh, you already pinged him, sorry)
# [02:11] <@khuey> roc: it's ok, Necko has a banana for you
# [02:11] <@dbaron> comment out the MOZ_ASSERT and move on? :-P
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# [02:12] <@roc> someone should delete the Bugzilla Nanojit component
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# [02:12] <jcranmer> roc: std::function is one of the things I want the most from C++11
# [02:13] <luke> roc: indeed
# [02:13] <luke> roc: how does one go about doing that?
# [02:13] <@roc> no idea
# [02:13] <Mook_as> doesn't it normally just get moved into core graveyard or something?
# [02:14] <jcranmer> roc: rvalue references are useful, but their main purpose is to optimize copies into moves or, if used properly, to make movable-but-not-copyable objects
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# [02:14] <tbsaunde> glandium: it looks like constexpr does make global objects with virtual functions stop have static constructors, so we could switch cc participants to that if the hit on b2g and the extra indirection are ok
# [02:14] <KWierso|Home> roc,luke, Mook_as: iirc, you can't delete a component, since that would screw up bugs
# [02:14] <glandium> tbsaunde: interesting
# [02:14] <KWierso|Home> it can only be deprecated and abandoned, I believe
# [02:15] <tbsaunde> glandium: that's what I thought
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# [02:15] <tbsaunde> its also interesting that trivial default constructors aren't constexpr
# [02:15] <@gavin> to get rid of old components you just file a bugzilla.mozilla.org::Adminstration bug
# [02:16] <@gavin> https://wiki.mozilla.org/BMO/RetiringComponents
# [02:16] <glandium> tbsaunde: i wonder if constexpr also would help with global nsCOMPtr
# [02:16] <@gavin> (the bmo admins will take care of all that for you, though)
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# [02:17] <glandium> tbsaunde: and it does!
# [02:18] <tbsaunde> glandium: really? don't you still need to register the dtor?
# [02:18] <glandium> oh man, all our ugly workarounds can go away
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# [02:18] <glandium> tbsaunde: ah, true ; it does help with classes without a dtor
# [02:19] <tbsaunde> glandium: yeah, I was thinking the same thing earlier and then wen "dam no we need the empty dtor"
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# [02:20] <glandium> tbsaunde: but yeah, constexpr on the constructor removes the vtable horror
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# [02:20] <glandium> mccr8: didn't you file a bug about the CC participant horror?
# [02:21] <tbsaunde> glandium: I think it was smaug
# [02:21] <mccr8> glandium: I'm not sure what you mean.
# [02:22] <glandium> mccr8: someone filed a bug about nsCycleCollectionParticipant.h being painful to maintain
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# [02:22] <@smaug> glandium: I filed
# [02:23] <glandium> smaug: do you have the bug # handy?
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# [02:23] <@smaug> glandium: bug 881323
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# [02:24] <Waldo> luke: in addition to deleting Core::Nanojit, I would really really like it if JS were its own product, and we could have useful subcomponents, although this would probably mean pain for tracking flags
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# [02:24] <glandium> tbsaunde: i do hope msvc does it right, though
# [02:25] <@khuey> Waldo: separatist!
# [02:25] <Waldo> khuey: the manifesto is silent on the question :-P
# [02:25] <luke> Waldo: whoa
# [02:25] <Waldo> s/deleting/graveyarding/
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# [02:28] <gps> are we waiting on anything to open inbound? it's looking pretty green to me!
# [02:28] <glandium> gps: you want to break it already? :)
# [02:29] <@dbaron> gps, seems like it might be good to have green test runs on the things that had multiple red cycles of builds
# [02:29] <gps> I wouldn't be asking unless I had patches to land :)
# [02:29] <KWierso|Home> gps: can it wait for at least one windows build to finish? :)
# [02:30] <@dbaron> KWierso|Home, they clearly finished... the tests are running
# [02:30] <gps> dbaron: it was just build bustage, no? why do we wait for unknown test failures in that scenario?
# [02:30] <@dbaron> gps, it depends how many changesets there were
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# [02:30] <KWierso|Home> fine
# [02:30] <KWierso|Home> break away
# [02:30] <KWierso|Home> :)
# [02:31] <gps> apparently I don't have privs on treestatus.mozilla.org :(
# [02:31] <lsblakk> gps: check with nthomas, maybe he can help you
# [02:31] <lsblakk> since catlee-pto is pto
# [02:31] <lsblakk> i think it's an ldap flag
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# [02:32] <nthomas> I'm not admin on there any more
# [02:32] <@dbaron> gps, I was so close to beating you!
# [02:32] <nthomas> the sheriffs manage that
# [02:32] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/e7d81c2597f2 - Gregory Szorc - Bug 899241 - Add process_install_manifest build action; r=glandium
# [02:32] <lsblakk> ah, ok
# [02:32] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/77fcbb01366c - Gregory Szorc - Bug 899792 - Establish precompile tier and move IPDL and WebIDL build rules; r=glandium
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# [02:33] <@dbaron> gps, what's the risk your changes break the build?
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# [02:33] <gps> dbaron: should be low :)
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# [02:34] <KWierso|Home> famous last words ;)
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# [02:34] <@dbaron> let's see if firebot says anything about my push
# [02:34] <gps> the bark of the commit message is worse than the patch
# [02:34] <@dbaron> my bet is no
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# [02:35] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/3da9c3dc6758 - Cameron McCormack - Bug 897887 - Avoid calling ScheduleReflowSVGNonDisplayText when constructing frames during reflow. r=jwatt
# [02:35] <heycam> dbaron, I guess not
# [02:36] <heycam> good thing, else my terminal would be beeping for the next two minutes
# [02:36] <gps> dbaron's push broke firebot :(
# [02:36] <@dbaron> if it has too many changesets, it must not be important
# [02:36] <heycam> haha
# [02:36] <@dbaron> gps, no, I think firebot just skips any pushes with >5 csets or something like that
# [02:36] <@dbaron> (rather than, say, coalesce, which would make more sense)
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# [02:37] <@bz> yep
# [02:37] <@bz> firebot is a bit of a peabrain
# [02:37] <firebot> bz: Sorry, I've no idea what 'is a bit of a peabrain' might be.
# [02:37] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/78c21048912d - Rodrigo Silveira - Bug 896757 - Defect - Remove > from narrow version of grid title strings r=mbrubeck
# [02:37] <@dbaron> firebot, you should learn
# [02:37] <firebot> dbaron: Sorry, I've no idea what 'you should learn' might be.
# [02:38] <@khuey> that basically sums it up
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# [02:38] <Waldo> looks like firebot has built-in defenses against associating itself with an insult ;-)
# [02:39] <Waldo> er, no, it's "firebot: x is y", so I guess that doesn't match
# [02:39] <changm> fitzgen: hi!
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# [02:40] <@bz> "Exception: config.status not available. Run configure."
# [02:40] <@bz> wtf?
# [02:40] * @bz is just trying to run mochitests....
# [02:41] <jduell> roc: what's up with necko?
# [02:41] <@bz> Or perhaps more to the point, how do I run a mochist nowadays? :(
# [02:42] <@khuey> bz: ./objdir/_virtualenv/scripts/python ./objdir/_tests/testing/mochitest/runtests.py
# [02:42] <@khuey> iirc
# [02:42] <@bz> mozilla% ../obj-firefox/_virtualenv/bin/python ../obj-firefox/_tests/testing/mochitest/runtests.py --test-path=content/base/test/test_bug886262.html
# [02:42] <@khuey> there's probably some mac thing
# [02:42] <@khuey> er
# [02:42] <@bz> File "/Users/bzbarsky/mozilla/vanilla/mozilla/python/mozbuild/mozbuild/base.py", line 210, in config_environment
# [02:42] <@bz> raise Exception('config.status not available. Run configure.')
# [02:42] <@bz> Exception: config.status not available. Run configure.
# [02:42] <@khuey> *mach
# [02:42] <@bz> config.status totally exists in ../obj-firefox
# [02:42] <@khuey> seems unfortunate
# [02:42] <@bz> gps: ping
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# [02:43] <@bz> This is ridiculous
# [02:43] <firebot> Check-in:
# [02:43] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/018ef921c945 - Johnny Stenback - Bug 898906. Fix this bug by making nsMimeType objects hold their active plugin alive, and rely on the cycle collector to break the explicit reference cycle. r=mccr8
# [02:43] * @bz ponders just not testing his patch and moving on with life
# [02:43] <@khuey> woah jst still writes code?
# [02:44] <mccr8> he writes leaky code! ;)
# [02:44] <mccr8> that I review and fail to notice the error
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# [02:44] <@bz> /Users/bzbarsky/mozilla/vanilla/mozilla/obj-x86_64-apple-darwin12.4.0
# [02:44] <@bz> is what this script thinks is self.topobjdir
# [02:44] <@bz> which is SO NOT RIGHT
# [02:45] <@bz> wtf?
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# [02:45] <jcranmer> we're <200 bugs from 900000 o_O
# [02:45] <lsblakk> wowza
# [02:45] <lizzard> yay
# [02:45] <lizzard> ?
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# [02:46] <lsblakk> i estimate we'll see our millionth bug within the first 6 months of 2014
# [02:46] <@dbaron> I think I might have also hit a personal record high today for number of patches in my patch queue, at 169.
# [02:46] <@dbaron> Down to 139 now.
# [02:46] <lsblakk> oO - dbaron i had no idea that was possible
# [02:46] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/7a0cfc63400f - Jeff Gilbert - Bug 865919 - Abort decode of INT32_MIN BMPs. r=joe
# [02:46] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/f4a9f6e12d4b - Jeff Gilbert - Bug 865919 - Add INT32_MIN-height BMP test. r=joe
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# [02:48] <@dbaron> And *now* I notice the typo in my commit message.
# [02:48] <@dbaron> (I wonder if it would have passed a spell-checker.)
# [02:48] <@dbaron> (Then again, I wonder if the correct spelling would have.)
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# [02:48] <@dbaron> (or correct word, I should say)
# [02:49] <@dbaron> ("reintended" instead of "reindented")
# [02:49] <heycam> is gerv running a sweep for 900000?
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# [02:49] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/627c3d68be29 - Cameron McCormack - Bug 899385 - Update comments that incorrectly state nsIPresShell::AllocateBlah are fallible. r=dbaron
# [02:49] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/0261e8137818 - Cameron McCormack - Bug 899389 - Don't null check result of NS_NewStyleContext. r=dbaron
# [02:49] <@khuey> heycam: no
# [02:50] <@bz> hrm
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# [02:50] <@bz> all this code has been here for a while, at first glance
# [02:50] <froydnj> which is probably why we haven't hit 900k today
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# [02:50] <heycam> heh
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# [02:50] * @bz hates our attitude towards running tests
# [02:50] <@bz> That being the "it's ok to just break it all the time"
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# [02:51] <Waldo> well, it's an improvement on "it'd be nice if we ran tests, sometime"
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# [02:51] <@bz> no, I mean break running them locally
# [02:51] <@bz> This is insane
# [02:51] <Waldo> ah
# [02:52] * Waldo will admit to not having run browser tests locally in years, at this point
# [02:52] <@bz> 865349
# [02:52] <@bz> So this patch broke running mochitests via mach
# [02:52] <@bz> and it broke running mochitests via non-mach....
# [02:52] <@bz> ted: ping
# [02:52] <@bz> ahal: ping
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# [02:52] <@bz> jgriffin: ping
# [02:52] <@gavin> bz: did you see the various bugs filed?
# [02:52] <@bz> yes
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# [02:52] <@bz> none of them cover this
# [02:52] <@bz> but more importantly....
# [02:53] <@bz> HOW DO I RUN THE TESTS?
# [02:53] <@gavin> some of them fixed my use cases, anyways
# [02:53] <@bz> mmm
# [02:53] <@bz> Were any of them fixed later than this morning?
# [02:53] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/3d58bd987452 - Michael Comella - Bug 893910 - Reset FHR submission failure count after timeout. r=rnewman
# [02:54] <@gavin> bz: bug 899292 perhaps?
# [02:54] <@gavin> not linked to the main bug
# [02:54] <@bz> That's what I'm seeing without mach, yes
# [02:54] * @bz tries that
# [02:54] <Waldo> <200 bugs left for people to get dolske to fedex them a drink through the intertubes! I'd better get crackin' on that :-\
# [02:55] * Waldo is such a slacker, 200k bugs and he never got around to it the entire time
# [02:55] <lizzard> so close!
# [02:55] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/57cda2d1472f - Bobby Holley - Bug 898811 - Use the system error reporter for XBL compilation. r=mrbkap
# [02:56] <@dolske> every bug is sacred.
# [02:56] <@bz> gavin: nope
# [02:56] <@bz> gavin: I have that in my tree
# [02:56] <@bz> gavin: and this is still broken
# [02:56] <@gavin> my bug got duped to bug 899292 later on, but the patch from bug 898725 fixed it
# [02:56] * KWierso|Home really hopes philor returns to file 900k
# [02:56] <@gavin> seems like quite the clusterfuck
# [02:56] * @bz looks
# [02:56] <@bz> gavin: yes, indeed
# [02:56] <@bz> I have both of these patches
# [02:56] <@bz> and this is still effing broken
# [02:56] * @bz fiels
# [02:56] <@gavin> on windows? bug 898903? :)
# [02:57] <@bz> On Mac
# [02:57] <@bz> And I've now spent 3x as long on this shit as on writing the test
# [02:57] <@bz> which itself took 10x as long as writing the patch
# [02:57] * @bz should have just posted the patch sans test and moved on
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# [02:58] <Waldo> scumbag bz posts patch without testcase
# [02:58] <Waldo> :-)
# [02:58] <Waldo> also, </3 for your plight
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# [03:02] <@bz> again, seems to be par for the course
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# [03:03] <gps> bz: is it broken on inbound?
# [03:03] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/bad4a1691369 - Nicholas Nethercote - Bug 899834 - Use a better hash function for the atoms table. r=luke.
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# [03:07] <Waldo> stupid marionette question: when https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Marionette/Builds says to add ENABLE_MARIONETTE=1, is it exactly as that, or is it as a mk_add_options ENABLE_MARIONETTE=1?
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# [03:09] <RyanVM|afk> wouldn't that be an export?
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# [03:10] <RyanVM> Waldo: I think mk_add_options is what you want, yes
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# [03:11] <Waldo> RyanVM: I mentally prepended the export, but yeah, if that :-)
# [03:11] <Waldo> suppose I can do both for good measure ;-)
# [03:11] <RyanVM> can't hurt :P
# [03:11] <RyanVM> Waldo: thanks, BTW :)
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# [03:12] <Waldo> yeah, now if only SF hadn't been dead all day such that I couldn't much try getting a setup earlier today :-\
# [03:12] <RyanVM> yeah, that sucked
# [03:13] <Waldo> on the plus side, I read through a kajillion backlogged bits of bugmail, so not totally unproductive
# [03:13] <@bz> gps: yes
# [03:13] <@bz> gps: afaict
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# [03:14] <Waldo> and debugged a few issues remembered from visibility in a tbpl log I'd, er, closed, thinking I'd posted the try URL in a bug and didn't need it :-(
# [03:14] <@bz> gps: I did say in the bug which changeset I'm on
# [03:14] <@bz> gps: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=899849 fwiw
# [03:14] <Waldo> I picked a bad day to visit the SF office
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# [03:29] <@dbaron> gps, is that red on my push you, or is it random?
# [03:30] <@dbaron> gps, all the Mac OS X 10.7 opt builds are red
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# [03:42] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/aebee2f3b9b2 - Ryan VanderMeulen - Backed out changesets 77fcbb01366c (bug 899792) and e7d81c2597f2 (bug 899241) for OSX bustage.
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# [03:53] <mihneadb> who can I talk to about xpcshell (cpp land) ?
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# [03:55] <nsm|afk> khuey: ping
# [03:59] <gps> that's a spectacular build error because the build log shows it installing a file it later says isn't present
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# [04:01] <mihneadb> heisen build error
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# [04:01] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/a9e41a4c4ee4 - Gregory Szorc - Bug 899241 - Add process_install_manifest build action; r=glandium
# [04:02] <glandium> gps: nowhere in the log it's installed
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# [04:03] <gps> glandium: oh, right - i'm looking at ContentParent.h, not PContentParent.h
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# [04:04] <WG9s> waldo: I just came back, but was that an Airplane reference? As In, "I picked a bad day to quit sniffing glue"!
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# [04:10] * KWierso|Home guesses that waldo's "ponders ways to make the airplane reference more explicit, gives up" would mean that's a yes to wg9s's question ;)
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# [04:13] <WG9s> KWierso|Home: Not omitting the initial "Looks like" would have made it abundantly clear.
# [04:14] <WG9s> So, "Looks like I picked the wrong day to visit ..."
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# [04:19] <RyanVM> tn: ping
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# [04:23] <jaws> how does a <xul:deck> hide the non-selected panel and make the selected panel be visible?
# [04:23] <jaws> i don't see anything in general.xml that does this
# [04:23] <jaws> Unfocused: ? ^
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# [04:23] <jaws> heycam: i aliased `hg qpoop` to `hg qpop`
# [04:24] <heycam> lol
# [04:24] <Unfocused> jaws: its all in c++ land, iirc
# [04:24] <jaws> Unfocused: know where?
# [04:24] <Unfocused> nope, sorry
# [04:24] <jaws> k
# [04:24] <jaws> i'll keep looking
# [04:24] <Unfocused> been *ages* since i looked at that
# [04:24] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/7656ce2cd329 - Ryan VanderMeulen - Backed out changeset 6846b610be41 (bug 897409) for suspicion of making Win8 mochitest-mc perma-orange.
# [04:25] <Unfocused> (incidentally, this is why we have weird bugs with <xul:desk>)
# [04:25] <@dolske> jaws: layout/xul/base/src/nsDeckFrame.cpp
# [04:25] <jaws> dolske: thanks!
# [04:25] <@dolske> not the usual reaction of someone referred to XUL C++ code, but ok!
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# [04:26] <Unfocused> hahaaha
# [04:26] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/dc014201581d - Mike Hommey - Bug 894242 - Make C++0x/C++11 mode of gcc/clang mandatory. r=ted
# [04:27] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/71b1da3303e5 - Gregory Szorc - Merge build-system into inbound
# [04:27] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/8e9dea030117 - Mike Hommey - Bug 770625 - Use the same compiler for b2g desktop builds as desktop linux. r=ted
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# [04:29] <gps> WTF OS X build failure: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Mozilla-Inbound&rev=627c3d68be29
# [04:30] <bholley> KWierso|Home: what's the preferred way to do mercurial backouts these days?
# [04:30] <KWierso|Home> bholley: I think RyanVM uses qbackout https://bitbucket.org/sfink/qbackout
# [04:30] <KWierso|Home> pretty sure that's what the other sheriffs do too
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# [04:34] <KWierso|Home> bholley: unless I misread your question :)
# [04:34] <bholley> KWierso|Home: no, that's perfect. Thanks :-)
# [04:38] <tbsaunde> glandium: yeah, we should probably check what msvc, and clang to be safe do
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# [04:39] <glandium> tbsaunde: i'm not worried about clang
# [04:39] <glandium> tbsaunde: in fact, clang does the right thing without constepr
# [04:40] <glandium> +x
# [04:40] <tbsaunde> then yeah, no need to worry
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# [04:41] <tbsaunde> glandium: I'm not sure I think virtual functions are that great an idea anyway because of the extra indirection, but maybe I'm too worried
# [04:41] <tbsaunde> glandium: oh, cool
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# [04:58] <nrc> RyanVM: pong
# [04:59] <nrc> am I late to a bustage party?
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# [05:04] <mbrubeck> RyanVM: Do you have the regression range for https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=895873#c4 handy?
# [05:04] <mbrubeck> If there's anything that touched /browser/metro in the range, that would be the most likely culprit by far.
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# [05:05] <mbrubeck> I'll see if I can spot anything...
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# [05:06] <mbrubeck> ah, got it
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# [05:09] <nrc> mbrubeck: got anything other than 897409?
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# [05:10] <mbrubeck> nrc: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=866232 touched Metro code
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# [05:10] <mbrubeck> though I'm not certain that code is used with APZC disabled
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# [05:12] <RyanVM> nrc: mbrubeck: bug 866232 was green on birch and on the merge to m-c...
# [05:12] <RyanVM> (sorry, speakers were off, didn't hear the pinging0
# [05:12] <mbrubeck> RyanVM: Okay, I'm probably wrong then.
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# [05:13] <RyanVM> nrc: so no, I don't think you're late
# [05:13] <RyanVM> though I'm only one backout in so far :P
# [05:13] * RyanVM should have really just simulpushed a bunch of backouts to Try
# [05:14] * RyanVM always thinks of that afterwards...
# [05:14] <nrc> annoyingly the Try run I have for 897409 is on top of a bunch of other patches which do cause Win8 mc fail, but with a different signature
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# [05:15] <RyanVM> lulz
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# [05:15] <RyanVM> which raises another point - if you have a recent Try run, it's *never* a bad idea to post it to the bug when you push to inbound
# [05:15] <RyanVM> makes the lives of sheriffs much easier when tracking down bustage
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# [05:16] <nrc> normally I do, but this one has orange from other patches, so I thought it would be more confusing :-s
# [05:16] <nrc> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=13fe586fd6f0
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# [05:16] <RyanVM> nrc: I'm also not ruling out tn's push at this point
# [05:16] <RyanVM> but since yours specifically related to metrofx, I started there :)
# [05:17] <nrc> slightly misleading bug title actually - not directly linked to metrofx at all, just where the bug was first noticed. But I'd say it si just as likely to have caused the bustage as tn's
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# [05:20] <RyanVM> nrc: I'm not going to be up late enough for another round of backouts if this one doesn't work, so I'm going to push a bunch of backouts to Try to get a jump on the next round if it comes to that
# [05:20] <RyanVM> i'll post the links here
# [05:21] <RyanVM> seems like you and nrc are the most likely candidates, but I'll push some others too
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# [05:25] <mjrosenb|ARM> RyanVM: "You and nrc"?
# [05:25] <RyanVM> tn
# [05:25] <RyanVM> go with what I mean, not what I say :P
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# [05:29] <RyanVM> nrc: mbrubeck: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=62c30d3fc1fe https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=8427ac351162 https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=32b5f72e5342 https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=bfcb8e3e0e8c https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=a7f282a67328 https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=b8ccf485ab7a
# [05:30] <RyanVM> if bug 897409 doesn't do it, one of those certainly should
# [05:31] <nrc> RYanVM: thanks, will keep an eye on it
# [05:32] <RyanVM> i'll be watching inbound until the backout finishes
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# [05:32] <RyanVM> so we shall see :)
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# [05:34] <mjrosenb|ARM> RyanVM: just curious, since nobody else had talked for the entirety of my scrollback
# [05:34] <RyanVM> heh
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# [05:45] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/f10f7c79846c - Jeff Gilbert - Bug 883364 - Mark tests as failing on ARMv6. r=bjacob
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# [05:55] <glandium> tbsaunde: apparently, msvc does like clang
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# [06:00] <RattyAway> Anyone on a mac?
# [06:00] <glandium> RattyAway: i'm on a mac... but not under osx
# [06:01] <RattyAway> need someone to verify this complaint (toolbars/Customization) Bug 845939 - erratic behavior of checkbox in menuitem in toolbarbutton on Mac platform
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# [06:01] <RattyAway> problem is that it's intermittent
# [06:02] <RattyAway> (and I don't have a mac either)
# [06:03] <tbsaunde> glandium: nice! want to write a patch, or shall I?
# [06:04] <glandium> tbsaunde: do you grok the CC participant stuff?
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# [06:07] <nrc> RyanVM: I think I am not to blame - https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=13fe586fd6f0 is not getting the mc errors. But yeah, may as well leave it out for now since it is not doing what I expected.
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# [06:08] <tbsaunde> glandium: I think so
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# [06:18] <darktrojan> yes
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# [06:24] <glob> roc++
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# [06:33] <Unfocused> glob: any known issues?
# [06:33] * glob looks
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# [06:33] <glob> Unfocused, wfm
# [06:33] <Unfocused> hm :\
# [06:34] * glob tries from another host
# [06:34] <glob> Unfocused, yup, looks good
# [06:35] <@gavin> DNS flakiness has caused that problem in the past
# [06:35] <glob> it has, which is why i poked from another host
# [06:35] <Unfocused> yea, using google's DNS server is working fine
# [06:35] <@dolske> belated roc++
# [06:36] <glob> Unfocused, were you using your isp's nameserver before?
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# [06:37] <Unfocused> glob: no, i have a local one in a VM
# [06:38] <Unfocused> acts as just a cache for external DNS
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# [06:40] <Unfocused> ew
# [06:40] <glob> markh, that sucks. who should we avoid?
# [06:40] <nigelb> markh: Mine too.
# [06:40] <markh> telstra
# [06:41] <nigelb> I switch to google dns very quickly
# [06:41] <glob> markh, ah, well, duh ;)
# [06:41] <glob> bigpond
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# [06:41] <markh> their "opt out" instructions are instructions to customize the operating system's network settings and add specific IP addresses as the DNS servers
# [06:41] <markh> glob: yeah :(
# [06:41] <glob> "you can't surf in a pond"
# [06:41] <markh> lol
# [06:41] <jhford> what's the equivalent of git's "HEAD^" in mercurial?
# [06:42] <markh> but I do manage to put up with that for 100Mbps down ;)
# [06:42] <glandium> jhford: tip^
# [06:42] <glob> markh, you make a fair point there
# [06:42] <jhford> glandium: ^ does what I would expect it to?
# [06:42] <glandium> jhford: i think it does
# [06:42] <RattyAway> roc/mjrosenb|ARM: Gill the ARM lost an arm now uses telekinesis to move things around
# [06:42] <RattyAway> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gil_Hamilton
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# [06:42] <@dolske> HEAD^ON APPLY DIRECTLY TO THE FOREHEAD
# [06:42] <glandium> jhford: if it doesn't, then mercurial people need to be clue-sticked
# [06:43] <jhford> hehe
# [06:43] <jhford> rgr
# [06:43] <glandium> jhford: (because aiui, they added that for people coming from git)
# [06:43] <jhford> it's not like git and hg have mutually contradictory commands :P
# [06:43] <jhford> nice
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# [06:44] <jhford> mercurial requires 4x the number of commands to do what I want
# [06:44] <jhford> where what I want is git log start_of_range..end_of_range
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# [06:45] <glandium> jhford: i'd be surprised if mercurial didn't have a syntax for that
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# [06:45] <glandium> jhford: hg help revset
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# [06:46] <glandium> jhford: can probably expressed as 'end_of_range - start_of_range'
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# [06:46] <glandium> or start_of_range::end_of_range for that matter
# [06:46] <jhford> glandium: i want to hug you right now!
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# [06:47] <glandium> heh 'An alternative syntax is "x..y".'
# [06:47] <jhford> i've never seen that page before
# [06:47] <jhford> x..y didn't work for me
# [06:47] <glandium> so in fact, the equivalent of git log a..b is hg log -r 'a..b'
# [06:47] <jhford> oh. f
# [06:47] <jhford> you have to do -r x..y, not x..y
# [06:47] <glandium> yes
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# [06:47] <jhford> lolwut?
# [06:48] <glandium> jhford: hg log [OPTION]... [FILE]
# [06:48] <jhford> heh, yah
# [06:48] <jhford> it's just weird that you have to use the -r. it feels completely unnessecary
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# [06:49] * sfink disagrees
# [06:49] <sfink> -r is good
# [06:49] <sfink> otherwise, you're mixing up revisions and filenames all the time
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# [06:50] <jhford> that's where the unix standard convention of -- comes in :P
# [06:50] <jhford> anyway, i'm not looking to start a flamewar :)
# [06:51] <jcranmer> interesting that you say that as I add "flames?" to my fotter
# [06:51] <jcranmer> footer*
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# [06:52] <jcranmer> my draft is still only one page long
# [06:52] <jcranmer> well, that's just the background
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# [06:55] <sfink> hg log -r . will list all the tags
# [06:55] <sfink> as will |hg id -r .|, but that gives a pretty condensed form
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# [06:57] <jhford> urgh, tip != HEAD
# [06:57] <glandium> jhford: ah, you want the actual head, then
# [06:57] <jhford> yah
# [06:58] <jhford> well, a reference to what's currently checked out
# [06:58] <sfink> 'tip' is overused and generally not all that useful
# [06:58] <jhford> yes
# [06:58] <sfink> . is what's checked out
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# [06:59] <jhford> that makes exactly no sense to me, but it works. thanks sfink
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# [06:59] <glandium> jhford: kind of makes sense, actually, if you think of it as meaning the state of the current directory
# [07:00] <jhford> yah, fair
# [07:00] <jhford> i guess I've been so hardwired into git that I've forgotten my (admittedly not the strongest) mercurial jargon
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# [07:01] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/dcc53238cca5 - Mike Hommey - Bug 899405 - Use gcc 4.7 as host compiler for Android builds. r=ted
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# [07:17] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/60dcd30de3fb - Boris Zbarsky - Bug 892929 - hide window.CSSFontFeatureValueRule when font features disabled. r=smaug
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# [07:33] <@dbaron> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Mozilla-Inbound&jobname=Android%204.0%20.*%20robocop looks just lovely
# [07:34] <dzbarsky> nrc: wow, thats weird. thanks
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# [07:37] <gaston> what could make libjs_static.a linking look for libsicui18n.a instead of libicui18n.a ? (note the extra s..)
# [07:39] <gaston> something fiddling with LIB_PREFIX ? but i dont see how ?
# [07:39] <gaston> nah it's still 'lib'
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# [07:42] <glandium> tbsaunde: did you start something for CC yet? if not, i might look at it while you're sleeping
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# [09:04] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/5aab1bae4fb4 - Gregory Szorc - Bug 899818 - Don't add quotes to values when writing Mercurial configs; r=Gijs
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# [09:08] <Gijs> Who would be a good person to needinfo on a WebGL crasher on Linux? :-)
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# [09:09] <glazou> bonjour
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# [09:13] <nrc> Gijs: jgilbert
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# [09:13] <Gijs> nrc: thanks!
# [09:13] <nrc> np
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# [09:19] <glazou> NeilAway: yt?
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# [09:21] <Ms2ger> Bonjour
# [09:21] <glazou> hi Ms2ger
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# [09:27] <nigelb> Hello glazou, Ms2ger
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# [09:28] <@bz> navigator.mozTCPSocket
# [09:28] * @bz cries
# [09:28] <glazou> hi nigelb
# [09:28] <Ms2ger> And a good morning to you too, bz :):
# [09:28] <@bz> Ms2ger: good evening. ;)
# [09:28] * @bz kicks the impl of mozTCPSocket
# [09:28] <Ms2ger> Oh, right, you're west-coast
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# [09:31] <@bz> Services.prefs.getBoolPref
# [09:31] <@bz> Does that not take a default value?
# [09:31] <Ms2ger> I suspect that's the throwing one
# [09:32] <@bz> mmm
# [09:32] <@bz> what's the non-throwing one?
# [09:32] * markh isn't aware that we have one...
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# [09:33] <markh> either has*Pref or just catch
# [09:33] <@bz> looks like utilityOverlay.js....
# [09:33] <@bz> ok, then
# [09:33] <Gijs> I'm seeing link errors in mozjs.lib
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# [09:33] <Gijs> I've tried clobbering, it's not helping. :s
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# [09:33] <Gijs> (VS2010, Windows 7)
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# [09:34] <Gijs> anyone else know anything about that?
# [09:34] <Gijs> public static double __cdecl std::numeric_limits<double>::max(void) already defined in icuin.lib(digitlst.obj)
# [09:34] <markh> Gijs: same env here and I've no problem building current m-c from clobber
# [09:35] <Ms2ger> bz, actually, I'm probably wrong about it throwing, based on mxr
# [09:35] <Ms2ger> But I can't find the definition
# [09:35] <@bz> fwiw, it's sure throwing for me
# [09:35] <@bz> OK
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# [09:35] <@bz> now I wonder who reviews mozTCPSocket stuff...
# [09:37] <Ms2ger> Bug 797561 has r=honza
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# [09:38] <@bz> Ah, fabrice or honza
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# [09:41] <Gijs> markh: I'm building UX, will try on m-c, but really shouldn't make a difference at that stage.
# [09:42] <markh> I've a fairly recent ux, so I'll try that
# [09:42] <markh> I mean, I'll pull what's current and try there
# [09:42] <Gijs> markh: which SDK are you using?
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# [09:43] <markh> Gijs: 8.0 it seems
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# [09:55] <Gijs> markh: interesting. I'm using 7.0a, so I can try removing the restriction I've got in my build script
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# [09:55] <Gijs> huh, except it seems like this is just working on my mc build
# [09:55] <Gijs> weeeeeeird
# [09:56] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/5623c4b04a1e - Ed Morley - Backed out changeset 5a8a8ee17ab5 (bug 883364) for Android 2.2 armv6 reftest failures
# [09:56] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/91b9edd45d8f - Ed Morley - Backed out changeset 85109095dd71 (bug 883364)
# [09:56] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/7bbbb1350256 - Ed Morley - Backed out changeset 3b1c068244a2 (bug 881681)
# [09:56] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/8b338d7c3660 - Ed Morley - Backed out changeset f10f7c79846c (bug 883364)
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# [10:01] <Gijs> Hmm, except I have --disable-optimize and --enable-profiling on my UX build.
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# [10:06] <mjrosenb|ARM> "You will be signed out in 2 minutes. Save your changes now and sign in again"
# [10:06] <mjrosenb|ARM> so, is that why I'll randomly notice that my webmail tab has logged out?
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# [10:09] <NeilAway> uh oh, did glazou find another editor bug?
# [10:09] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/42dffbbe9e57 - Andrea Marchesini - Bug 899546 - ENSURE_SUCCESS macro for ErrorResult, r=bz
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# [10:10] <glazou> ,ei
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# [10:10] <glazou> sorry
# [10:10] <glazou> NeilAway: yes...
# [10:11] <glazou> and always the same cause
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# [10:12] <glazou> simple to fix but still, I'm fed up with fixing regressions that should not exist
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# [10:13] <ewong> 'same cause' == ?
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# [10:19] <markh> Gijs: looks like ux is going to finish just fine for me. I'm doing an optimized build, but it does enable profiling.
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# [10:19] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/e8a2344ce2a2 - Luke Wagner - Bug 899903 - OdinMonkey: merge AsmJSBoundsCheckVector with HeapAccessVector (r=mjrosenb)
# [10:19] <Gijs> markh: sounds like --disable-optimize makes it fall over then.
# [10:19] <Gijs> markh: luckily, I'm just doing a build with that switch removed
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# [10:20] <Gijs> markh: if this works, I'll file a bug that that switch was broken on Windows by the ICU landing. :\
# [10:20] <markh> I thought I also built my debug m-c - but sadly the result of that has scrolled away now
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# [10:22] <arky> Anyone know where did gfx/thebes/gfxLinuxGLPlatform.h disappear?
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# [10:22] <Gijs> arky: hg log --removed gfx/thebes/gfxLinuxGLPlatform.h ?
# [10:22] <Gijs> (assuming that path is correct)
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# [10:24] <Gijs> (it does seem to come up empty on my repo... :s )
# [10:24] <arky> Gijs, Strange
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# [10:30] <Gijs> arky: why do you suppose this file used to exist?
# [10:30] <nigelb> 52
# [10:30] <nigelb> gah
# [10:31] * Gijs can't find any trace of it
# [10:31] <Gijs> markh: yeah, removing --disable-optimize fixes it
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# [10:31] <arky> Gijs, I am trying to figure the b2g port patch for raspberrypi https://github.com/arky/meta-b2g/blob/master/recipes-b2g/b2g-linuxgl/b2g-linuxgl/0004-4_gfx_platform.diff
# [10:31] <markh> Gijs: heh :) had already typed: so my debug build doesn't enable the profiler, but builds fine on m-c.
# [10:32] <markh> and that build has --disable-optimize
# [10:32] <Gijs> markh: right, but that has --enable-debug, presumably?
# [10:32] <markh> ah, yeah - cool, glad you have it sorted then :)
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# [10:33] <Gijs> arky: uhm, they move gfxAndroidPlatform.h to gfxLinuxGLPlatform.h in that patch itself.
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# [10:34] <arky> Gijs, Aye Aye! I missed that
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# [10:43] <ewong> wrt https://bug707564.bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=783663, what if the preference doesn't exist? wouldn't returning false lead the user of that routine to a false sense of security (and that it'd choke elsewhere when trying to access dom.mozTCPSocket.enabled ?
# [10:43] <ewong> no offense to anyone.. just out of curiosity
# [10:44] <ewong> bz ^
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# [10:46] <@bz> ewong: well
# [10:47] <@bz> ewong: If the preference doesn't exist....
# [10:48] <ewong> probably something earlier on catches that? sorry.. I know I'm not in the position to question code.. but just learning here and there..
# [10:48] <@bz> ewong: then navigator.mozTCPSocket returns null with my patch
# [10:48] <@bz> ewong: and then there's no problem, afaict
# [10:48] <@bz> ewong: without my patch, on the other hand, navigator.mozTCPSocket throws
# [10:48] <ewong> bz, fair enough.. thanks for the clarification
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# [10:49] <@bz> ewong: and worse yet for my purposes in the bug "for (var i in navigator)" throws
# [10:49] <ewong> ouch
# [10:49] <@bz> ewong: no problem.
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# [10:58] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/e039d1a5523a - Adam Roach [:abr] - Bug 899485 - Have SDP handling return sensible cause codes r=ehugg
# [10:59] <ewong> g'night bz!
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# [11:15] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/c5d66af1f8a9 - Marco Bonardo - Bug 889442 - Remove special about: pages code from DOM Storage.
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# [12:15] <Ms2ger> baku, ping
# [12:15] <baku> Ms2ger, pong
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# [12:15] <Ms2ger> baku, about the union in IDBDatabase
# [12:15] <Ms2ger> What's the issue?
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# [12:15] <baku> when I tried the union it was not supported.
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# [12:16] <baku> talking about
# [12:16] <baku> IDBIndex createIndex (DOMString name, (DOMString or sequence<DOMString>) keyPath, optional IDBIndexParameters optionalParameters);
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# [12:17] <Ms2ger> Can you check what the error is?
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# [12:22] <baku> Ms2ger, yep.
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# [12:24] <baku> Ms2ger, TypeError: Can't handle dictionaries or sequences in unions
# [12:24] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/3eef74151413 - Luke Wagner - Bug 899936 - OdinMonkey: fix faulty floating point logic in ExtractNumericLiteral (r=mjrosenb)
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# [12:40] <Ms2ger> baku, okay, thanks
# [12:40] <Ms2ger> baku, can you file a bug on that?
# [12:40] <baku> Ms2ger, sure.
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# [12:49] <Ms2ger> 26 more bugs...
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# [12:50] <Ms2ger> heycam|away, ping
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# [13:00] <NeilAway> Ms2ger: is our bugzilla 900000 countdown clock?
# [13:00] <NeilAway> bah, accidentally hit tab there
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# [13:10] <sasklacz> I was trying to build mozilla-central. The build finished without showing any errors but the directory wasn't even created. Here's my traceback : https://gist.github.com/siemiatj/6112631
# [13:10] <heycam> Ms2ger, hi
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# [13:11] <Ms2ger> heycam, first, why does the overload resolution algorithm live under "4.4.1.1. Interface object [[Call]] method"?
# [13:12] <heycam> Ms2ger, ah it's just the first place in the spec where it's needed
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# [13:13] <Ms2ger> Seems like it deserves a section of its own
# [13:13] <heycam> Ms2ger, yeah quite possibly. file a bug?
# [13:13] <Ms2ger> Okay
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# [13:14] <Ms2ger> Second, if you have a "unsigned long"/"DOMString" overload, do I read it correctly that you only hit the "unsigned long" one if typeof arg == "number"?
# [13:15] <heycam> Ms2ger, that's right
# [13:15] <Ms2ger> So not for Number objects?
# [13:15] <heycam> no
# [13:15] <Ms2ger> Okay, thanks
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# [13:15] <heycam> np
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# [13:17] <Tomcat> wow already bug 899981 :)
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# [13:47] <Fallen> 11 bugs to go now :)
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# [13:50] <RyanVM> alright, we might get it in as an intermittent-orange yet!
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# [14:14] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/87571852c99f - Jan de Mooij - Bug 896529 - Move some methods from IonCompartment to IonRuntime. r=nbp
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# [14:14] <Gijs> RyanVM: btw, I filed bug 899910 on the layout test you starred on m-i yesterday, as the UX failure is not related, see the description of that bug. :)
# [14:15] <Gijs> Didn't want to CC you wantonly on spammy bugs (although I guess from the looks of it this happens about once a month only...)
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# [14:28] <Gijs> jfkthame: ping?
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# [14:30] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/7d9b658f6840 - Ming - Bug 898044 - Remove unnecessary null check from GeckoApp.onSaveInstanceState. r=kats
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# [14:37] <@smaug> why is using browser id so hard these days
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# [14:38] <NeilAway> $smaug =~ s/ these days//
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# [14:38] <@smaug> it used to be simpler
# [14:39] <@smaug> now I need to give password to some random sites
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# [14:43] <glazou> 5 bugs to go...
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# [14:46] <glandium> smaug: is it me or void DeleteCycleCollectable(void) \
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# [14:47] <glandium> smaug: is it me or DeleteCycleCollectable can be dangerous with how it's used in e.g. nsCycleCollector.cpp?
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# [14:47] <glandium> smaug: as in, it takes a void*, it's given something that's not type checked, and we're using it as if it was a participant
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# [14:49] <glandium> s/participant/the same participant type as "this"/
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# [14:50] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/c2e61d3df709 - Kartikaya Gupta - Bug 890932 - Remove unnecessary internal method now that the monitor re-entrant. r=BenWa
# [14:50] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/d59a7d7f81dc - Kartikaya Gupta - Bug 890932 - Add a missing lock in AsyncPanZoomController::SendAsyncScrollEvent. r=BenWa
# [14:51] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/2bbb3a9505ab - Kartikaya Gupta - Bug 890932 - Make AsyncPanZoomController::mMonitor re-entrant to reduce code madness. r=BenWa
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# [15:01] <glazou> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=900000
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# [15:03] <gaston> unfunny bug :(
# [15:03] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/8d0d262985d9 - Hannes Verschore - Bug 899735 - IonMonkey: Add a function to the shell that makes it possible to cause a bailout in IM, r=jandem
# [15:04] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/4a1e0eb4539c - Hannes Verschore - Bug 899572 - IonMonkey: Don't emit SetElementCache when there are setters, r=nbp
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# [15:04] <maxli> I blame my slow internet connection and bug 899999.
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# [15:07] <Fallen> so now its "whoever fixes this gets a beer" ?
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# [15:08] <maxli> For reference, I also filed bug 900001, which you all might actually be interested in.
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# [15:12] <Optimizer> maxli------
# [15:12] <jfkthame> Gijs: pong
# [15:12] * Optimizer i.e. maxli-=3
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# [15:13] <Gijs> jfkthame: there was someone in #firefox asking about bug 729011; do you know anything to move that bug along? :)
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# [15:15] <simone> !squirrel: Hi all, the mac minis listed in https://bug897241.bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=780019 have been disabled in slavealloc. See also https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=897241 for further details.
# [15:15] <jfkthame> Gijs: not really, sorry - looks to me like you know more about it than i do
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# [15:17] <GPHemsley> wow... less than a year between 800000 and 900000
# [15:17] <GPHemsley> I think it's time to prepare for 7-digit bug numbers
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# [15:19] <Gijs> jfkthame: no worries, and thanks for having a look.
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# [15:20] <jfkthame> Gijs: fwiw, i remember running into the discrepancy at one point, but i found it was already filed, and didn't pursue it any further - but i do think it needs to be fixed, it must be pretty annoying for people who try to use the dimens
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# [15:21] <Gijs> jfkthame: yeah, seems like it is.
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# [15:21] <gaston> GPHemsley: 2 letters, 1 number: b 2 g
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# [15:22] <GPHemsley> was there even time for a contest?
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# [15:22] <gaston> 1 think he's waiting for the millionth contest :)
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# [15:24] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/710c7f7c8e4c - Corey Ford - Bug 894716 - Parameterize nsLayoutUtils::GetNearestScrollableFrame. r=dbaron
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# [15:50] * jcranmer notes bug 900K and recalls filing a bug whose first digit was `3'
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# [15:51] <TheOne> whoever said the new aurora icon is too bright...you're right
# [15:51] <joe> maxli: i love that bug 900000 is actually a real bug
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# [15:51] <jcranmer> TheOne: so is the nightly icon :-/
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# [15:51] <@ted> joe: me too
# [15:51] * @ted has seen enough joke bugs
# [15:52] <jcranmer> joe: I agre
# [15:52] <joe> jcranmer: i filed bug 1260, and i fixed bug 753 :)
# [15:52] <TheOne> bug 900001 is much better :)
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# [15:52] <jcranmer> my first bug was a duplicate :-)
# [15:53] <joe> my second was a duplicate (bug 1468)
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# [15:53] <jcranmer> a duplicate of bug 11054
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# [15:53] <jcranmer> which I then proceeded to fix
# [15:53] <TheOne> the run for bug 1M starts now!
# [15:54] <jcranmer> by requesting review from someone who just left Mozilla
# [15:54] <joe> jcranmer: mrz?
# [15:54] <jcranmer> joe: mscott
# [15:54] <joe> ah
# [15:54] <TheOne> I think mrz is still here?!
# [15:55] <joe> TheOne: mrz's last day is today :(
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# [15:55] <TheOne> oh
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# [15:55] <TheOne> :(
# [15:55] <@ted> joe: wow, you filed a 4 digit bug?
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# [15:55] <joe> ted: jeh
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# [15:55] <joe> i started being a developer in 2008, but i've been around as a tester for a while :)
# [15:55] <Pike> that's tough
# [15:56] <@ted> i think my oldest was a 100k-some bug
# [15:56] <@ted> yeah, bug 110561
# [15:56] * Pike is 5 digit
# [15:56] * glazou too
# [15:56] <joe> i'm still most proud of fixing a 3-digit bug
# [15:56] <@ted> heh
# [15:56] <jcranmer> I've only fixed a 4-digit bug
# [15:56] <@ted> don't think i've fixed anything older than 5 digits
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# [15:57] <gaston> was there something before bugzilla actually ?
# [15:57] <@ted> heh, both my "bugs i've filed" and "bugs i've fixed" queries are now over bugzilla's 500 bug limit
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# [15:57] <@ted> gaston: there was an internal Netscape thing, yeah
# [15:57] <Pike> bug 18001
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# [15:58] <glob> ted, i think it was still called bugzilla though (the tcl thing?)
# [15:58] <KaiRo> bah, really, bug 900000 is an actual bug? That so breaks with tradition!
# [15:58] <gaston> so bmo was setup for the source code liberation ?
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# [15:58] <@ted> glob: i don't know
# [15:58] <@ted> glazou: ? :)
# [15:58] <glazou> oldest bug I fixed is 17533
# [15:58] <jcranmer> KaiRo: only bugs 700K annd 800K were like that
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# [15:58] <glazou> ted: 5 digits like Pike
# [15:58] <KaiRo> jcranmer: I know, still
# [15:59] <@ted> glazou: no: re: internal NSCP bug tracking
# [15:59] <@ted> was it bugzilla there?
# [15:59] <glazou> yes, bugzilla.netscape.com
# [15:59] <@ted> okay
# [15:59] <@ted> i've heard it referred to as "bugscape"
# [15:59] <glazou> yep
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# [15:59] <glazou> that was for the private part of nscp only
# [16:00] * KaiRo also has a 4-digit as his first bug: 6161
# [16:00] <glob> coming soon - https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/16292140/Screen%20Shot%202013-05-31%20at%2012.42.55%20AM.png
# [16:00] <@ted> glob: cool :)
# [16:00] <glob> (where soon is tomorrow, assuming i can get a cronjob created in time)
# [16:01] <Pike> I like that my bug has a whiteboard status of "12-JAN waiting for reporter response". whatever
# [16:01] <joe> glob: nice
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# [16:01] <Pike> January 2000
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# [16:04] <jcranmer> speaking of dates like that, I recall someone was looking at the date stamps on rails, found one stamped with "92" on it and realized it had to be 1892 and not 1992
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# [16:04] <jcranmer> called it "likely some of the oldest rail in regular use anywhere in the USA."
# [16:05] <@ted> jcranmer: it took me a minute to realize you were talking about actual train rails and not ruby on rails
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# [16:09] <glandium> ted: had the same
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# [16:12] <gaston> glob: niiice - what bug is tracking that ?
# [16:12] <glob> gaston, bug 859550
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# [16:13] <gaston> thx
# [16:13] <tbsaunde> glandium: did you end up working on the cc stuff?
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# [16:14] <glandium> tbsaunde: yup, building right now
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# [16:14] <tbsaunde> k
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# [16:15] <glandium> tbsaunde: in fact, with all the changes that happened afterwards, the vtables are created as static variables in the GetParticipant functions, which means even without constexpr, there wouldn't be more static initializers
# [16:16] <glandium> tbsaunde: but that kind of sucks to have the participants still as static variables in GetParticipant
# [16:17] <glandium> the downside is that moving it out requires adding a macro and a call to that macro for every single cycle collection participant definition
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# [16:20] <tbsaunde> glandium: couldn't we include what needs to be in that macro in the NS_IMPL_CYCLE_COLLECTION_N macro?
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# [16:21] <glandium> tbsaunde: if it's used everywhere, maybe
# [16:21] <spohl> If I'd like to file a bug for a crash, how can I make the bug appear as part of the submitted crash log in crash stats (in the 'Bugs' tab)?
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# [16:22] <spohl> I mean, the 'Bugzilla' tab
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# [16:22] <@ted> spohl: there's a "crash signature" field
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# [16:22] <@ted> you put in [@ whatever ]
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# [16:22] <@ted> and crash-stats has a cron job that picks those up
# [16:22] <spohl> ted: thanks. Is it usually the top frame of the crash dump?
# [16:22] <@ted> it's whatever crash-stats shows as the signature
# [16:23] <@ted> we have a bunch of rules that can skip frames or combine them
# [16:23] <spohl> ted: oh, I see
# [16:23] <spohl> ted: this is the report, just fyi: https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/73b60d23-9a9f-4f3e-a882-429472130731
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# [16:23] <spohl> ted: thanks!
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# [16:27] <@ted> spohl: FYI there are links there for reporting bugs...
# [16:27] <@ted> Bugzilla - Report this bug in Firefox Core Plugins Toolkit
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# [16:27] <@ted> spohl: is that a self build?
# [16:28] <@ted> because that crash stack has no symbols
# [16:28] <spohl> ted: no, that's the latest debug build from m-c
# [16:28] <@ted> oh
# [16:28] <@ted> we don't upload symbols for those
# [16:28] <spohl> I have better crash logs from my local build
# [16:28] <spohl> with symbols
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# [16:29] <@ted> yeah, use those
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# [16:44] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/2e7ae68148a6 - Alexander Surkov - Bug 889512 - no focus event for google's moving textbox, r=tbsaunde
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# [16:44] <glandium> tbsaunde: do mGCThingCycleCollectorGlobal and mJSZoneCycleCollectorGlobal in xpcom/base/CycleCollectedJSRuntime.cpp make any sense to you?
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# [16:47] <spohl> ted: I've filed https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=900026, can I change the title of the bug as long as the crash signature remains the same, or will this mess with our cron jobs?
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# [16:47] <@ted> spohl: the cron job only uses the crash signature field
# [16:47] <spohl> ted: perfect, thanks!
# [16:47] <glandium> tbsaunde: as for the IMPL_N thing, there are many classes not using them
# [16:48] <@ted> spohl: the XUL@xxx stuff is not useful, FWIW
# [16:48] <spohl> ted: right, that's what I figured. :-)
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# [16:49] <tbsaunde> glandium: only thing I can think of is bug 845545 will do something more interesting with them
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# [17:03] <glandium> tbsaunde: that'd be effectively reverting bug 819215 ;)
# [17:03] <glandium> tbsaunde: and 822289
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# [17:05] <tbsaunde> glandium: hm? it seems like you're proposal to just add anothermacro is more like reverting those in that we'd be adding another macro those got rid of
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# [17:06] <tbsaunde> in any case what I want is just to keep implementing participants as footgun free as possible
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# [17:07] <glandium> tbsaunde: i'd like to get rid of the macros, eventually
# [17:07] <tbsaunde> glandium: and replace them with?
# [17:07] <glandium> tbsaunde: traits
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# [17:08] <tbsaunde> ah, that might be nice...
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# [17:11] <Ms2ger> Huh, a thunderbird crash
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# [17:14] <@smaug> curious, why is PodZero called that
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# [17:15] <Ms2ger> For Plain old data?
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# [17:15] <@smaug> why we need the Pod prefix there?
# [17:15] <Ms2ger> Not sure
# [17:16] <Ms2ger> I think it came out of JS
# [17:16] <Ms2ger> luke?
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# [17:16] <@smaug> ohhoh, this stuff has r=Ms2ger
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# [17:16] <luke> smaug: the idea is that you shouldn't be calling this for an object with a meaningful copy ctor/assignment/destructor
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# [17:17] <luke> smaug: which isn't *exactly* the spec definition of "Plain Old Datatype", but it's pretty close
# [17:17] <@smaug> luke: but nothing guarantees that
# [17:17] <luke> smaug: just the programmer
# [17:17] <luke> smaug: but they just typed out "Pod", so they've been warned
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# [17:18] <@smaug> luke: well, that is very error prone, IMO. One may in some code use Pod* and then the meaningful ctor is added to T.
# [17:18] <froydnj> one could add static asserts with appropriate type_traits magic, but nobody's been that careful yet :)
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# [17:19] <luke> smaug: yeah well, this is a replacement for memcpy, which has the same problem
# [17:19] <@smaug> yup
# [17:19] <luke> froydnj: i forget, does C++11 include any magic for detecting pod-y-ness
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# [17:19] <@smaug> everyone just know what memset does, but I had to check what PodZero does :)
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# [17:20] <@smaug> while reviewing a patch
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# [17:20] <luke> smaug: that's usually how it goes w/ utility functions. the idea of the Pod* functions is to avoid the manual sizeof(T)
# [17:21] <@smaug> right
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# [17:24] <froydnj> luke: type_traits includes is_pod, which AFAICS is required to work with user-defined classes too
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# [17:26] <luke> smaug: ooh, c++11 has is_pod<T> in <type_traits>; we actually statically assert pod-ness now. (Although I suspect the
# [17:26] <luke> definition of is_pod would be too strict)
# [17:26] <luke> froydnj: cool!
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# [17:28] <froydnj> ted: is reviewing the code for bug 813742 really in your domain, or should I ask dbaron for review instead?
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# [17:29] <froydnj> that would be a "yes", then :)
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# [17:47] <froydnj> fantastic, the constexpr patches now trigger ICEs
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# [17:49] <tbsaunde> froydnj: heh
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# [17:50] <froydnj> tbsaunde: best part is that it appears to be an intermittent ICE
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# [17:51] <froydnj> tbsaunde: no. different ICE, files and line numbers this time
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# [18:25] <edmorley> gps: are you about? :-)
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# [18:28] <gps> edmorley: o hai
# [18:29] <edmorley> gps: hi :-)
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# [18:29] <edmorley> gps: I've just seen https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=25971358&tree=Mozilla-Central#error0
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# [18:29] <edmorley> gps: presume that's fallout from the resource monitoring? is there a bug filed already for it? (couldn't find anything)
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# [18:29] <gps> edmorley: there are multiple bugs
# [18:30] * RyanVM guesses the psutil errors w/o pulling up the log
# [18:30] <gps> edmorley: it would be somewhere in the bug 859573 tree
# [18:30] <edmorley> gps: ok thank you,
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# [18:33] <mbrubeck> we are still slowly losing at startup perf: http://graphs.mozilla.org/graph.html#tests=[[261,63,33]]&sel=none&displayrange=90&datatype=running
# [18:33] <RyanVM> jlebar: is this an easy spot fix? https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=25975379&tree=Mozilla-Aurora
# [18:34] <RyanVM> jlebar: (the TypeError)
# [18:34] <rhelmer> mbrubeck: just FYI I *just* pushed that y-axis fix
# [18:34] <mbrubeck> one of those regressions might just be a measurement change from mozharness, but the rest are real
# [18:34] <rhelmer> to graphserver, lgtm, lmk
# [18:34] <RyanVM> jlebar: because it's spamming the crap out of our logs
# [18:34] <mbrubeck> rhelmer: I noticed, I was in the middle of loading a bunch of graphs and only the last one had y-axis zooming. :D
# [18:34] <rhelmer> mbrubeck: :)
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# [18:35] <jlebar> RyanVM: I think so, but I'd like it to be in a bug.
# [18:35] <jlebar> I also thought we fixed that
# [18:35] <RyanVM> it's on aurora
# [18:35] <jlebar> Not on Aurora, but I don't see it in my tree
# [18:35] <RyanVM> ok
# [18:35] <RyanVM> edmorley: did you file the aurora issue above yet?
# [18:35] <RyanVM> otherwise, I will
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# [18:36] <jlebar> RyanVM: ah, I see
# [18:36] <jlebar> My tree is old
# [18:36] <jlebar> if (!content || subject != content.document)
# [18:36] <jlebar> That's all you need to change it to.
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# [18:36] <RyanVM> rs?
# [18:36] <edmorley> RyanVM: bug filed already, just needs uplift
# [18:36] <RyanVM> edmorley: in that case, I'm ready wililng and able if you point me at it
# [18:36] <jlebar> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=874900
# [18:36] <RyanVM> danke
# [18:36] <edmorley> RyanVM: searching
# [18:36] <jlebar> There we go.
# [18:36] <jlebar> edmorley: ^
# [18:36] <edmorley> RyanVM: bug 874900
# [18:37] <jlebar> Feel free to uplift
# [18:37] <edmorley> ah lol
# [18:37] <RyanVM> win
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# [18:38] <RyanVM> jlebar: thanks :)
# [18:39] <jlebar> sure thing.
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# [18:39] <RyanVM> edmorley: one down, like 10 to go :P
# [18:40] <edmorley> yeah lol
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# [18:42] <mikedeboer> I'm wondering if I'm the only one experiencing this startup crash on OSX:
# [18:42] <mikedeboer> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=896124#c17
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# [18:47] <mikedeboer> oh! wait, bug 899270 it is :)
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# [19:04] <joduinn> mfinkle: ping about 7warfield room. what time do you expect your current mtg to end?
# [19:05] <joduinn> nm. everyone just got out!
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# [19:12] <tanvi> historgrams seem to be broken metrics.mozilla.com
# [19:13] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/6088d5708497 - Terrence Cole - Bug 899696 - Fix unsafe reference hazard in SendToGenerator; r=sfink
# [19:13] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/1d49d7996875 - Terrence Cole - Bug 899693 - Fix unsafe reference hazards around HashableValue::setValue; r=sfink
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# [19:13] <@smaug> tanvi: complain to #metrics
# [19:13] <tanvi> smaug - thanks
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# [19:14] <@smaug> tanvi: and thanks for reminding me. I need to check some telemetry data too :)
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# [19:15] <tanvi> smaug - well, now might be a bad time for that ;)
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# [19:15] <@smaug> tanvi: I use evolution
# [19:15] <@smaug> it looks ok
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# [19:18] <jdm> we have exceeded 900000 bugs
# [19:18] <jdm> time to celebrate
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# [19:18] <Ms2ger> jdm, with songs about our unbelievable bugginess
# [19:18] <jdm> correct
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# [19:19] <jdm> "900000 bugs and they still haven't fixed some that were filed 12 years ago"
# [19:19] <@ehsan> jdm: what do we celebrate? the fact that bug 900000 went to waste?
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# [19:19] <@ehsan> who files a real bug with that number?
# [19:19] <Ms2ger> Me
# [19:19] <Ms2ger> But I was eating cake
# [19:19] <jdm> maxli is the winner
# [19:19] <@ehsan> boo
# [19:19] <jdm> someone get that man a prize
# [19:19] <@ehsan> maxli: beware, dolske might hunt you down
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# [19:22] <Ms2ger> maxli, buying beer for everyone? :)
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# [19:24] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/091fb11c0d27 - Jim Chen - Bug 881018 - Never inline TiledLayerBuffer::GetScaledTileLength to avoid crash; r=Cwiiis
# [19:24] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/31655889fdc6 - Jim Chen - Backout rev 9497429e8463 (bug 881018) to land real fix
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# [19:40] <bbondy> Ms2ger: ?
# [19:40] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/fa8605750b68 - Tanvi Vyas - Bug 890963 - Update site identity message for pages where Mixed Active Content has loaded. r=dolske?
# [19:41] <tanvi> oh, the patch summary is wrong
# [19:41] <Ms2ger> bbondy, http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/6a8926881a44 has CSSIntPoints all over that aren't CSSIntPoints but LayoutDeviceIntPoint
# [19:41] <tanvi> should be r=jaws. oops
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# [19:41] <jaws> tanvi: i can back it out and reland it for you
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# [19:41] <tanvi> jaws: that would be great.
# [19:41] <jaws> tanvi: also, this should have been landed on fx-team repo
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# [19:41] <jaws> i'll take care of it
# [19:41] <tanvi> everything else is fine. just need to chnage r=dolske? to r=jaws
# [19:42] <tanvi> why fx-team repo?
# [19:42] <jaws> we are moving all front-end changes to fx-team repo
# [19:42] <jaws> this is a new change
# [19:42] <tanvi> will it make it to Firefox 25 before merge next week
# [19:42] <jaws> you shouldn't feel bad :)
# [19:42] <jaws> yes
# [19:42] <Noah> jaws: ! need your help with ctp - how the heck can someone turn off the ctp popup that says "Continue Allowing"?
# [19:42] <@dolske> meh, no worries about the r=.
# [19:42] <tanvi> i dont want the string to change twice (once in FF 25 and then again in FF 26)
# [19:42] <Noah> jaws: also hi :)
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# [19:43] <jaws> dolske, tanvi: well the bug will say the real history if it becomes an issue, so i guess it is fine to leave it as-is
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# [19:43] <jaws> Noah: that cannot be turned off. the popup should not be displayed by default though
# [19:43] <bbondy> Ms2ger: the callbacks from GeckoContentController send in CSSIntPoints
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# [19:44] <tanvi> yes; i'm not a big fan of the keep allowing either. but recently there has been a change where instead of the blue lego icon you see the grey lego icon when you've already allowed a domain. which is better
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# [19:45] <Ms2ger> kats, ping
# [19:45] <tanvi> plus, the only reason we (or at least I) see it so frequently is because i set the pref to click to play everything. most users will only see it for outdated plugins (i think)
# [19:45] <tanvi> *(or at least I )
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# [19:46] <kats> Ms2ger: pong
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# [19:47] <bbondy> Ms2ger: maybe this location needs updating http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/6a8926881a44#l2.216 and thi http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/6a8926881a44#l2.242
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# [19:47] <bbondy> and then maybe I need a conversion from css to device pixels inside the cssint callbacks?
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# [19:49] <Ms2ger> kats, want to help bbondy with his assigning css points into nsEvent::refPoints in http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/6a8926881a44?
# [19:49] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/f345e073fd4a - Ed Morley - Bug 899990 - Null check xhr.response to avoid spammy JS exceptions; r=jdm
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# [19:50] <kats> Ms2ger: eventually, sure. at the moment i need to fix stuff i broke. also to help bbondy, incidentally :)
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# [19:50] <Noah> jaws: http://imgur.com/YqJvrOW - so no way to hide that?
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# [19:51] <bbondy> if it wasn't broken by your patches then no help would be needed ;)
# [19:51] <jaws> Noah: nope
# [19:51] <jaws> Noah: but you should update your nightly :)
# [19:51] <jaws> Noah: because we have made it less noticeable
# [19:51] <froydnj> jcranmer: nice post
# [19:51] <jaws> Noah: and also prettier
# [19:51] <bbondy> Ms2ger: no need to curse, there's a problem in the code that you identified, so you tell me and I post a bug and fix it. We're on the same team. thanks.
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# [19:52] <jcranmer> froydnj: don't ask how long it took to write
# [19:52] <Ms2ger> bbondy, sorry, it's just somewhat frustrating :/
# [19:52] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/83e77ea05fd2 - Jonathan Griffin - Bug 900080 - Use e.message instead of e in onPacket errors, r=wlach
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# [19:56] <Noah> jaws: ooooh. thanks
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# [19:57] <bbondy> Ms2ger: I don't pretend to be an expert at everything and am capable of learning from mistakes. There's a lot of undocumented code I was working with to get things working and that conversion was the least of the problems on my mind at the time of writing.
# [19:57] <Noah> bbondy: ! I've been looking for you :P
# [19:57] <bbondy> Noah: found me :)
# [19:57] <Noah> I had a question about that recent freakish copy & paste bug hehe
# [19:58] <Ms2ger> bbondy, just ignore me :)
# [19:58] <evilpie> hey just do double check
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# [19:58] <evilpie> I want to do aNode instanceof HTMLAnchorElement
# [19:58] <bbondy> Noah: bug number?
# [19:58] <evilpie> but there is no HTMLAnchorElement in content scripts
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# [19:58] <bbondy> Noah: the one with clibboard scanning?
# [19:58] <evilpie> is it okay/safe to do aNode instanceof content.HTMLAnchorElement?
# [19:59] <Ms2ger> Possibly
# [19:59] <Ms2ger> bholley, ^?
# [19:59] <evilpie> or maybe the Ci.nsIDOM version?
# [19:59] <Ms2ger> No
# [19:59] <jcranmer> we're deleting the nsIDOM* stuff slowly
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# [20:02] <Noah> bbondy: yes, that's the one I believe. let me dig up the bug #
# [20:02] <bbondy> Noah: It's fine I know which one you're talking about now. what's up?
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# [20:03] <Noah> bbondy: alright, if I'm thinking of the same bug. This is bug where supposedly Zonealarm firewall and other unknown products were breaking copy and paste randomly
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# [20:04] <Ms2ger> Thank you
# [20:04] <bbondy> np
# [20:04] <Noah> bbondy: I was wondering what the initial patch that caused this bug to surface was trying to solve? digging up that bug number
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# [20:05] <bbondy> Noah: The initial patch was done by someone else for providing an API to clear the clipboard properly on windows.
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# [20:06] <bbondy> Noah: This caused a problem on Windows in particular because windows only allows one program at once to have access to the clipboard. So we'd do a clear (which would actually clear), zonealarm would detect a change, and would open to scan, and then we'd try to copy but get blocked because zonealarm had it open.
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# [20:06] <bbondy> Noah: Other platforms had this API implemented and used the same generic code that cleared and then copied, but those platforms don't have single access restrictions like windows does.
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# [20:07] <Noah> bbondy: ah alright. Is Zonealarm definitely in the wrong here? Also I'm not sure why it's scanning the clipboard for changes. I've never seen a security program scan this area. Is there a legitimate reason to be scanning the clipboard?
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# [20:09] <bbondy> Noah: I don't think anyone is in the wrong. Just 2 programs trying to access the clipboard at the same time. I don't know the reason why they open the clipboard just after other programs access it. Maybe to scan for a virus or something I'm not sure. But to get zonealarm and Firefox to work properly the fix was to no clear/close when we are going to copy/replace the clipboard content anyway.
# [20:10] <bbondy> no->not
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# [20:14] <bbondy> Noah: No problem. The initial patch which added the api to clear the clipboard remained unchanged. That api was used by tests to clear out the clipboard, and could be ued in the future for extensions and other code. The base generic code used by all platform for copying avoided clearing before opening the clipboard to copy on windows.
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# [20:43] <Noah> bbondy: gotcha. and last question, Bug 782810 - Work - Go over metrofx context menus to make sure they conform to Win8 guidelines was marked as dependant on the api to clear the clipboard bug, so this means the Metro context menus could not have been fixed w/o this api bug. So pretty much Win 8 was the reason we implemented this api to clear the clipboard?
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# [20:45] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/50f69b500c02 - Kartikaya Gupta - Bug 892267 - Fix incorrect application of scaling the render offset. r=Cwiiis
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# [20:45] <nemo> will gecko end up being ported to rust?
# [20:45] <bbondy> Noah: The dependencies/blocking bugs are mostly loosly used. The api which was previously unimplemented on Windows and was implemented by someone else so they could implement some tests properly.
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# [20:47] <@gavin> evilpie: any chance I could convince you to make your keyword.URL add-on less of a hack?
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# [20:47] <evilpie> gavin: it's called hack
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# [20:47] <@gavin> evilpie: yes, I know
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# [20:47] <@gavin> evilpie: but there's a better way to do that, and it would be useful for someone to do it :)
# [20:48] <@gavin> (partially to test out that the better way works)
# [20:48] <evilpie> okay and that is
# [20:48] <@gavin> using engines with x-moz-keywordsearch URLs
# [20:48] <@gavin> your addon could dynamically create such an engine and make it the default, or something
# [20:48] <evilpie> well yes
# [20:48] <Noah> bbondy: ah ok. thanks! I was thinking of how to put it in perspective for regular firefox users who asked about why copy/paste bug occured. I was thinking it'd be easy to say in our effort to support Metro Firefox on Win 8, this change was apart of the process. :D I really appreciate the fullness of your answers. Thanks Brian!
# [20:48] <evilpie> the problem is finding out when to do that
# [20:49] <@gavin> evilpie: on add-on install?
# [20:49] <@gavin> it could also observer pref changes and modify the engine, maybe
# [20:49] <@gavin> could be complicated I guess
# [20:49] <evilpie> that would change the engine in the searchbar as well
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# [20:50] <@gavin> yes, but why is that a problem?
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# [20:50] <@gavin> doesn't have to be noticeable to the user if you do it right
# [20:50] <evilpie> true
# [20:50] <evilpie> I think detecting the right moment will still be hard
# [20:50] <evilpie> sometimes we take some time until we even try to use the default engine
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# [20:51] <jmontgomery> http://people.mozilla.org/~jmontgomery/tab-groups/tab-groups.xpi
# [20:51] <jmontgomery> sorry wrong group
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# [20:52] <bbondy> Noah: yep, it wasn't related to windows 8 in particular. Someone wanted to write some tests that tested context menu copy/paste and to do that they needed to clear the clipboard, but that api was unimplemented on windows. So they had to implement that api on windows. Then they used it in their tests. Common code shared by all platforms cleared and then copied. Previously this would do nothing then copy, but now that it was implemented
# [20:52] <bbondy> on window actually cleared then copied. This resulted in 2 sequential open/close of the clipboard. But after the first zonealarm took access of the clipboard to scan it and our code couldn't execute on the second.
# [20:52] <bbondy> I have to move on now :)
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# [20:53] <BenWa> botond: pong
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# [20:55] <@khuey> nsm: pong
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# [20:56] <nsm> khuey: i don't remember why i pinged, but quite likely relevant to 899904
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# [20:56] <marco> is try closed?
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# [20:56] <RyanVM> yes
# [20:56] <RyanVM> should have given you the closure message when you tried to push...
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# [20:57] <RyanVM> some sort of infra issues that's mass-hosing jobs
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# [20:59] <froydnj> a build deleting a header file gives a warning about macro redefinition (and then fails, due to Werror)...wtf
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# [21:01] <froydnj> ...for a MACRO that's explicitly guarded by #ifndef MACRO
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# [21:02] <marco> RyanVM: I pushed before the closure, I was wondering if the jobs will complete
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# [21:02] <RyanVM> should
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# [21:02] <RyanVM> but just retrigger them if you hit any issues
# [21:02] <marco> ok thanks
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# [21:03] <@smaug> oh, we passed bug 900000
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# [21:08] <jcranmer> ehsan: I was referring in part to existing STL APIs like std::vector
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# [21:08] <@ehsan> jcranmer: yeah, but I mean, if we want to talk about std::vector, we should talk about that, as opposed to using STL
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# [21:09] <jcranmer> std::vector is STL :-)
# [21:10] <@ted> i am not understanding the difference
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# [21:10] <@ehsan> cronco: it's part of STL
# [21:10] <jcranmer> the bigger issue is that nsTArray and std::vector have wildly different APIs
# [21:10] <tbsaunde> I think the difference is vector is a part of the stl not the whole entire thing
# [21:10] <@ted> ah
# [21:11] <@ted> yeah, i've been wishing we at least had API-compat with STL data types
# [21:11] <@ted> if not just using them wholesale
# [21:11] <@ehsan> I mean, if we talk about STL which is a very big thing, there will never be any practical results coming out of it
# [21:11] <jcranmer> and one of the questions I want to know is whether or not we should be making them more API-compatible
# [21:11] <tbsaunde> I think ehsan sort of has a point its a lot easier to talk about specific cases
# [21:11] <@ehsan> cause people will just make generic statements ;)
# [21:11] <@ehsan> yes, what tbsaunde said
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# [21:11] <@ted> fair enough
# [21:11] <@ted> "i wish our array, string and hashtable classes were API identical to the STL"
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# [21:12] <jcranmer> I disagree with string mildly
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# [21:12] <tbsaunde> I don't really care either way personally
# [21:13] <tbsaunde> however I think there would be some issues, mainly around fallibility
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# [21:13] <@ted> jcranmer: regardless of what you might think about std::string, it's part of the standard library
# [21:13] <@ted> so not using it causes developer pain
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# [21:14] <jcranmer> ted: http://www.open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg21/docs/papers/2013/n3685.html is arguably more useful
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# [21:14] <jcranmer> (it allows much better mixing of different string implementations)
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# [21:15] <jcranmer> that proposed std::string_view is much more useful for constant string inparams
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# [21:16] <@ehsan> does anybody know how to use mozregression?
# [21:16] <@ehsan> specifically, how to use it to bisect inbound?
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# [21:17] <@ted> jcranmer: that's pretty clever
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# [21:19] <jcranmer> ted: in terms of string theory, there's basically 4 main types of strings: your standard heap-allocated string, a non-owning substring, a fast-appending string, and a string that's being slowly built up
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# [21:20] <froydnj> where are the other 7?
# [21:20] <RyanVM> gfritzsche: try retriggering a few more times - I'm hitting similar failures across other trees right now too, so I suspect infra-related
# [21:20] <tbsaunde> jcranmer: there's also the really fast equal comparison thing with atoms
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# [21:23] <gfritzsche> RyanVM: phew, cheers
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# [21:24] <RyanVM> gfritzsche: looks like some of the more recent jobs on inbound are starting to go green
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# [21:44] <gustavold> Hey fellas, I'd like to let you know about a group of folks who have recently joined forces to support Firefox running on the PowerPC architecture
# [21:44] <gustavold> We have a presentation page at https://wiki.mozilla.org/PowerPC
# [21:45] <gustavold> And we have set a buildbot for m-c at http://mozillaproject.osuosl.org:8010/waterfall
# [21:45] <gustavold> Anyone willing to join us is very welcome. We hang out on #ppc64
# [21:45] <JosiahOne> Do we even support PowerPC?
# [21:45] <JosiahOne> I thought we dumped that awhile ago.
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# [21:45] <gustavold> JosiahOne: yes, it is a tier-3 currently
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# [21:46] <cpeterso_> gustavold: PowerPC Linux, I assume? :)
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# [21:46] <JosiahOne> gustavold: Not the Mac version though right?
# [21:46] <gustavold> cpeterson: we are mostly focused on Linux, yes
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# [21:46] <gustavold> cpeterson: but there are some people trying to maintain it on OS X too
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# [21:47] <cpeterson> cool!
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# [21:48] <gustavold> JosiahOne: I personally don't work with Mac OS, but would happy to provide help to anyone trying to maintain that platform
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# [21:48] <gustavold> though my expertise would not go much further besides the architecture itself
# [21:48] <msucan> gps: any reason why mach adds a weird delay before it starts to run any mochitest-browser?
# [21:49] <@dolske> as tier-3 it's really only "supported" by community.
# [21:49] <NeilAway> gustavold: iirc the Mac PowerPC version is called TenFourFox
# [21:49] <msucan> i run mach mochitest-browser foo.js and i need to wait .... 5-10 seconds
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# [21:49] <@dolske> right, TFF.
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# [21:49] <JosiahOne> gustavold: Okay, thanks.
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# [21:49] <gustavold> I should send these links to a mailing list, but I'm not sure which one would be the most appropriate... mozilla-identity maybe?
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# [21:50] <gustavold> NeilAway: TenFourFox is basically a fork of firefox, I'm trying to keep things on the mozilla land
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# [21:52] <gps> msucan: that's really weird. can you ctrl+c it and see if you get a stack trace?
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# [21:52] <msucan> gps: it could be the mozbuild warning message that has a delay
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# [21:53] <msucan> when mach is run from other scripts i don't see the message, but i get the delay..
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# [21:56] <msucan> gps: just tried MOZBUILD_STATE_PATH and i get the same delay. ctrl-c shows only ^Cmach interrupted by signal or user action. Stopping.
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# [21:56] <msucan> gps: mozbuild folder is always empty....
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# [21:57] <gps> msucan: run |python -u mach <command>| and let me know if that is different
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# [21:59] <msucan> gps: is it expected that .mozbuild/ is empty?
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# [21:59] <gps> msucan: the directory is empty until you run a command that puts something in it
# [21:59] <gps> like |mach mercurial-setup|
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# [22:00] <gps> msucan: you only get the pause with the mochitest command, not something like |mach xpcshell-tests|?
# [22:00] <@smaug> ted: could you perhaps explain the patch for bug 893785 a bit in the bug. (having both NewConnectionEvent and FireConnectionEvent makes the code a bit harder to follow.)
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# [22:01] <msucan> gps: the delay is not there when i run xpcshell-tests
# [22:02] <msucan> only when i run mochitest-browser. let me check mochitest-chrome
# [22:02] <gps> msucan: it must be something in the mochitest command then. i don't know what
# [22:02] <gps> ask the #ateam folks?
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# [22:03] <msucan> gps: yeah, same problem with mochitest-chrome....
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# [22:07] <jgilbert> do changes to reftest.js require a clobber?
# [22:08] <@gavin> certainly shouldn't!
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# [22:08] <RyanVM> lol
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# [22:09] <jgilbert> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=883364#c16
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# [22:17] <@khuey> GAAAAH
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# [22:20] <froydnj> we should call the replacement shreddr
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# [22:21] <@khuey> that's what it just did to my review comments
# [22:21] <@khuey> on a 200 KB patch
# [22:21] <froydnj> doh
# [22:21] <froydnj> rs=me?
# [22:22] <@khuey> r- no comments because bugzilla ate them
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# [22:28] <jduell> Having trouble getting a firefox tarball build on linux to see libflashplayer.so. I thought I just needed to dump it into firefox/plugins.
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# [22:36] <gfritzsche> jduell: that is not scanned anymore -> https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Gecko_Plugin_API_Reference/Plug-in_Basics#How_Gecko_Finds_Plug-ins
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# [22:45] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/f76c013e50a6 - Andrew Halberstadt - Bug 899047 - Set mochitest appname in verifyOptions to fix fennec regression, r=gbrown
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# [22:46] <bholley> RyanVM: hey, back. I got delayed, sorry about that
# [22:47] <RyanVM> bholley: I think I got it :)
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# [22:47] <bholley> RyanVM: how's aurora?
# [22:47] <bholley> cool
# [22:47] <RyanVM> after a very bad first attempt :P
# [22:47] <bholley> RyanVM: I think this official qualifies as the backport from hell
# [22:47] <RyanVM> uh, yeah
# [22:47] <RyanVM> like I mentioned in the email, I dont' think you commented all the bugs either
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# [22:48] <NeilAway> evilpie: I can't work out what you're trying to ask in bug 895957
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# [22:48] <bholley> RyanVM: oh, it's still sitting in my web browser, looks like I never hit submit
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# [22:49] <bholley> RyanVM: that was the only one, right?
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# [22:50] <RyanVM> bholley: that I saw, but I didn't go through them all either
# [22:50] <bholley> RyanVM: I'm pretty sure that was it
# [22:52] <bholley> RyanVM: ok, went through and corrected em all
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# [22:52] <RyanVM> thanks :)
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# [23:02] <@ehsan> RyanVM: I pushed a backout to central, can you please help watch it? :)
# [23:02] <evilpie> NeilAway: we can ask content whether it supports a certain command, because it would block, right?
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# [23:03] <evilpie> So I added a list of things we always claim support for.
# [23:03] <evilpie> does that sound reasonable?
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# [23:03] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/fd03bb4d1e48 - Ehsan Akhgari - Backed out changeset 197b12188f3a (bug 893973) for causing bug 9000007
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# [23:04] <bholley> ehsan: I'm reviewing a patch that uses |template<uint32_t N> Foopy(char (&aString)[N])| in order to enforce that the only literal strings are passed to it. Do we approve of this trick?
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# [23:04] <@ehsan> bholley: absolutely, we use it in fact
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# [23:04] <bholley> ehsan: is the code size cost negligible?
# [23:04] <@ehsan> depends on the body of Foopy ;)
# [23:05] <@ehsan> and how many times it's called
# [23:05] <@ehsan> and how the compiler optimizes it
# [23:05] <@ehsan> and perhaps the phase of the moon ;)
# [23:05] <bholley> ehsan: :-)
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# [23:07] <@ehsan> heh, I just referenced a bug which will probably be filed after I'm dead!
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# [23:07] <@ehsan> bug 90000007
# [23:07] <@ehsan> oh
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# [23:07] <@ehsan> bug 9000007 that is
# [23:07] <@ehsan> how's that for a message for the next generation?
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# [23:08] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/51f5228300fc - James Willcox - Bug 898768 - Make CRC2D::IsTargetValid also check for null r=mattwoodrow
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# [23:09] <RyanVM> ehsan: I'll be leaving soon, but I'm sure KWierso is watching m-c too
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# [23:10] <@ehsan> thanks!
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# [23:17] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/5c432485f902 - Andy Wingo - Bug 886322 - Remove keepAtoms member in TokenStream. r=jorendorff
# [23:17] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/bf27f19ee5ce - Shilpan Bhagat - Bug 891736 - Make XUL menulist fire events. r=mfinkle
# [23:17] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/eab74a7144c0 - Shilpan Bhagat - Bug 897710 - Reset reader active mode button on page load. r=wesj
# [23:17] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/4d67875c9897 - Andy Wingo - Bug 884794 - Rename JS1.7+ generators to "legacy generators". r=Waldo, r=jorendorff
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# [23:18] <dbuc> anyone see jonas around these parts?
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# [23:19] <dbuc> I'm fix'in to discuss manifest feature detection :)
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# [23:20] <NeilAway> evilpie: well, if it's a command that you would reasonably expect to be handled in content, then yes, it would sound reasonable to claim support for it
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# [23:21] <mbrubeck> !seen sicking
# [23:21] <firebot> sicking was last seen 23 hours, 42 minutes and 10 seconds ago, saying 'khuey: i found settingsmanager' in #developers.
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# [23:22] <NeilAway> evilpie: after all, you're only going to get asked because the remote browser has focus
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# [23:23] <dbuc> sicking not seen for almost 24 hrs?!? I may need to alert authorities...
# [23:23] <evilpie> but otherwise it would bubble up
# [23:23] <@khuey> mbrubeck: he's sitting next to us
# [23:23] <@khuey> mbrubeck: what do you need?
# [23:23] <mbrubeck> khuey: dbuc was looking for him... or at least for *a* jonas
# [23:24] <mbrubeck> (see above)
# [23:24] <dbuc> khuey: need to talk about manifest feature detection
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# [23:24] <@khuey> speak of the devil and he shall appear
# [23:25] <NeilAway> evilpie: right, but if this was a real window, then it would support most of those commands anyway
# [23:25] <dbuc> navigator.manifest.supports('foo')
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# [23:25] <@khuey> dbuc: he just joined
# [23:25] <NeilAway> evilpie: enabling is trickier though, you would want the edit menu to show an approximation to the correct state
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# [23:26] <dbuc> sicking: navigator.manifest.supports('foo') <-- without this, Marketplace, an other "Installing Apps" cannot ensure the user does not get a dud
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# [23:26] <dbuc> say a key is added to the manifest that does not have in-DOM feature implication
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# [23:26] <NeilAway> evilpie: currently when the focus changes we recheck the command state, presumably there would need to be a frame script to watch focus changes in the remote processes and send async command state updates
# [23:26] <dbuc> it's the equivalent of "If a feature falls in the woods"
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# [23:27] <sicking> dbuc: I'm not sure I understand what the function does? What does it take as argument and what does it return?
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# [23:27] <dbuc> we don't want to have the Nancy Pelosi school of app sales/installation: "You have to install it, before you can see what is in it, or if it is a dud"
# [23:27] <sicking> dbuc: i assume this is not the same discussion that we've had a few times already about a supportsFeature("feature name") function
# [23:27] <dbuc> no
# [23:28] <dbuc> that is DOM features, which in the context of system capabilites, is only a slice
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# [23:28] <dbuc> imagine a key in the manifest that has no representation in DOM
# [23:28] <dbuc> how do you feature detect what is never in your context to detect?
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# [23:29] <dbuc> the manifest presents a catch 22 in this way
# [23:29] <sicking> sorry, i'm still lost
# [23:29] <dbuc> marketplace was recently burned by the origin addition
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# [23:29] <daleharvey> hmm, this seems like strange behaviour - NS_ERROR_XPC_BAD_OP_ON_WN_PROTO
# [23:29] <sicking> ah, you want to check if the 'origin' feature works in a given client?
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# [23:30] <daleharvey> I cant assign btoa to an object property - http://pastebin.mozilla.org/2753758
# [23:30] <daleharvey> but I can set it to a plain var
# [23:30] <dbuc> sicking: yes, I want some way of asking the system, if it supports a key
# [23:30] <dbuc> in the manifest
# [23:30] <dbuc> this will let us be flexible to manifest "versions" and changes
# [23:31] <dbuc> such as the divergence between various specs (ours, W3's, eventual end version, and all others in the future)
# [23:31] <sicking> well.. just like with other features, it's not a simple boolean to detect if an arbitrary feature is supported
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# [23:32] <dbuc> sicking: with *manifest* keys it should be more like that than anywhere else
# [23:32] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/133bde40e6bc - Kannan Vijayan - Bug 893038 - Re-enable heavyweight function and cloned lambda inlining. r=nbp
# [23:32] <sicking> dbuc: see for example https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=895826#c48
# [23:32] <Mook_as> daleharvey: x.btoa.call(null, "hello");
# [23:32] <sicking> dbuc: and also the filtering patterns for WebActivities
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# [23:34] <daleharvey> ah nice, so I can x.btoa = btoa.bind(null);
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# [23:34] <daleharvey> cheers Mook_as
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# [23:35] <dbuc> sicking: imagine the following --> { wallpaper: [img1, img, 2] }
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# [23:35] <dbuc> if we added a navigator.setWallpaper API, it would be fine
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# [23:35] <dbuc> feature detection would work
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# [23:36] <dbuc> if we wanted it to be implied and available simply as a function of manifest presence, outside of the app's context, it wouldn't
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# [23:37] <sicking> dbuc: I agree we need a way to feature detect support for manifest features
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# [23:37] <dbuc> sicking: so... :)
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# [23:38] <@khuey> ehsan: did we decide we can use 'auto' now?
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# [23:39] <@ehsan> khuey: not sure, but let me make that decision right now
# [23:39] <@khuey> haha ok
# [23:39] <@ehsan> khuey: yes, you can, if you're careful!
# [23:39] <@khuey> ehsan: define careful?
# [23:39] <@ehsan> does that work for you? :)
# [23:39] <@ehsan> well
# [23:39] <sicking> dbuc: can you file a bug. Ideally also if you could include a proposal for how to solve it. But do keep in mind situations like the chrome property, or webactivities filters
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# [23:39] <@ehsan> not use auto when you're calling something which returns already_AddRefed?
# [23:39] <@ehsan> or in general:
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# [23:40] <@ehsan> not use auto when the thing the function is returning does implicit conversion magic
# [23:40] <@ehsan> unfortunately that needs to be enforced by the reviewer :/
# [23:40] <@khuey> ehsan: so don't be stupid with auto, yes
# [23:40] <dbuc> sicking: can do
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# [23:40] <sicking> why is it bad to use when something returns an already_AddRefed?
# [23:40] <@khuey> ehsan: but auto foo = static_cast<Foo*>(bar); is cool?
# [23:40] <@khuey> sicking: well if you forget to ever release it ...
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# [23:41] <@ehsan> khuey: yeah
# [23:42] <@ehsan> sicking: because then you will be creating an already_AddRefed on the stack!
# [23:42] <@ehsan> khuey: fwiw I'd be happy to rs+ such patches if needed
# [23:42] <@khuey> ehsan: oh I'm not going to mass convert anything
# [23:42] <@khuey> at least not yet
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# [23:42] <@khuey> ehsan: I just want to know whether I can tell a patch author to use it ;-)
# [23:42] <@ehsan> khuey: r- on any such mass conversions ;)
# [23:43] <@ehsan> yeah that's fine
# [23:43] <sicking> why is that a problem. If you never use that already_AddRefed then that sounds equivalent to simply dropping the return value on the floor
# [23:43] <@ehsan> but we should never go crazy and stop using types at all costs ;)
# [23:43] <sicking> if you do use it, then presumably you are avoiding the leak
# [23:43] <@ehsan> well
# [23:43] <@gavin> Waldo: what's the plan with ICU and talos regressions?
# [23:44] <@ehsan> sicking: if you have this code: nsCOMPtr<nsIFoo> foo = GetFoo()
# [23:44] <@ehsan> and GetFoo returns already_AddRefed<nsIFoo>
# [23:44] <@ehsan> and you convert it to auto foo = GetFoo(), you get a guaranteed reference leak
# [23:44] <@ehsan> because already_AddRefed doesn't try to release its reference
# [23:45] <sicking> it's a more likely leak i agree
# [23:45] <@ehsan> why?
# [23:45] <@ehsan> it's a lot more than likely!
# [23:45] <@ehsan> I mean
# [23:45] <sicking> "return foo"
# [23:45] <@ehsan> GetFoo() addrefs
# [23:45] <@ehsan> and nobody is now responsible for the release
# [23:45] <@ehsan> right?
# [23:46] <sicking> you could still do "return foo;" or "x = foo;" further down the coe
# [23:46] <sicking> code even
# [23:46] <@ehsan> oh right
# [23:46] <@ehsan> yes, I stand corrected :)
# [23:46] <@ehsan> however
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# [23:46] <@ehsan> that is non-obvious
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# [23:46] <@ehsan> so I believe we should just never use auto for these kinds of things, period
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# [23:47] <jcranmer> I'm of the opinion that auto should mostly just be used to avoid typing obtuse names
# [23:47] <jcranmer> like std::map<key, value>::iterator
# [23:47] <sicking> like already_Addrefed<nsIFoo>? :)
# [23:47] <mina> sorry question: so auto foo = GetFoo(); makes foo of type nsIFoo, not nsCOMPtr<nsIFoo>?
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# [23:48] <@ehsan> sicking: nobody should ever use that type on the stack
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# [23:48] <sicking> it sounds like a good rule to not use auto for already_AddRefed at least for now
# [23:48] <@ehsan> mina: auto makes the thing decltype(rhs)
# [23:48] <@khuey> jcranmer: or double typing names involved in casts
# [23:48] <@khuey> but yes, agreed
# [23:49] <@ehsan> so it will mean that whatever the return type was in the declaration, auto will use that
# [23:49] <@ehsan> sicking: yes
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# [23:49] <@ehsan> yeah, basically, follow these rules: use auto with caution if you understand what it does
# [23:49] <@ehsan> and remember that you're coding in C++, and take good care of your feet
# [23:49] <@ehsan> (put that gun down, son)
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# [23:51] <dbuc> sicking: I have a _sick_ idea on an API that would be suuuper flexible (oh yeah, that was pun-gold right there!)
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# [23:51] <mina> ehsan: right, but is it a convention to return nsIFoo or nsIFoo* and let C++ do automatic type coercion into nsCOMPtr<nsIFoo>?
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# [23:52] <@ehsan> mina: if you replace nsIFoo* with already_AddRefed<nsIFoo> then yes
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# [23:53] <dbuc> sicking: where should I file this magical bug of wonderous API goodness?
# [23:54] <dbuc> DOM Core? Gaia Sys?
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# [23:54] <sicking> dbuc: b2g: general
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# [23:54] <sicking> hmm..
# [23:54] <mina> ehsan: oh I see.. ya that is dangerous...
# [23:55] <sicking> dbuc: maybe simply DOM
# [23:55] <sicking> dbuc: probably one of the Apps components actually
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# [23:56] <@ehsan> mina: fwiw we use already_AddRefed as a trick to deliver the information that this thing has been addrefed without being released through the type system
# [23:56] <@ehsan> and nsCOMPtr and nsRefPtr know how to construct/assign from an already_AddRefed without doing another addref
# [23:56] <@ehsan> hence balancing the refcount
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# [23:57] <jcranmer> abandoning already_AddRefed for nsCOMPtr/nsRefPtr and move constructors
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# [23:58] <@ehsan> jcranmer: we can't do that, see the dev.platform thread :(
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# [23:59] <mina> ehsan: okay.
# [23:59] <jcranmer> ehsan: we can do that, we'll just let people footgun except on one platform
# [23:59] * mina should read up on how nsCOMPtr and nsRefPtr work
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# [23:59] <@ehsan> hehe
# [23:59] <@ehsan> jcranmer: ok, sure!
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# [23:59] <jcranmer> when we start rolling out gcc 4.8.1, we'll get it on more platforms
# [23:59] <jcranmer> and MSVC 2013
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