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1. # Session Start: Thu Aug 01 00:00:00 2013
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3. # [00:00] <@ehsan> mina: start with nsRefPtr, it's simpler
4. # [00:00] <jcranmer> or is that in the 2014 one?
5. # [00:00] * jcranmer goes to check
6. # [00:00] <@ehsan> mina: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/xpcom/base/nsAutoPtr.h#843
7. # [00:00] <@ehsan> jcranmer: 2014 iirc
8. # [00:00] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/bd49d8389a9b - Masatoshi Kimura - Backed out changeset 2aa62db58f24 (bug 673919) due to Web compat
9. # [00:01] <mina> ehsan: thanks
10. # [00:01] <jcranmer> ehsan: yep, 2014
11. # [00:01] <@ehsan> np :)
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14. # [00:02] <Waldo> gavin: after I deal with the marionette intermittent failure, file a bug and, um, investigate somehow
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18. # [00:03] <Waldo> gavin: that said, I have no good ideas how to investigate what's very likely to just be binary-size increase effects
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20. # [00:04] <@gavin> I thought the dev platform thread about this from months ago concluded in "let's not do that, it's crazy"
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23. # [00:05] <Waldo> gavin: what's "that"?
24. # [00:05] <@gavin> "land ICU"
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26. # [00:05] <Waldo> gavin: Firefox module owner and various others gave approval in bug 853301 for landing and enabling it
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28. # [00:05] <Waldo> so that thread's conclusion is no longer accurate
29. # [00:05] <evilpie> NeilAway: sorry was in a meeting
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31. # [00:06] <@gavin> I am the Firefox module owner, so I think you mean someone else?
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33. # [00:06] <mbrubeck> burn :)
34. # [00:06] <Waldo> gavin: Asa and brendan, it was
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36. # [00:06] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/b662cd70ea75 - Timothy Nikkel - Bug 900214. Remove unused aFlags argument to nsImageRenderer::Draw. r=nrc
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38. # [00:06] <evilpie> NeilAway: Sending the state change on every focus change sounds like a lot of work
39. # [00:06] <Waldo> gavin: also keep in mind IE11 includes the Intl stuff, and I think chrome has it as v8Intl right now
40. # [00:07] <mbrubeck> Waldo: Brendan's comment explicitly assumed "there shouldn't be a measurable startup hit" and mentioned "I'm not aware of any other perf concerns."
41. # [00:07] <mbrubeck> (both actually taras's words)
42. # [00:07] <evilpie> NeilAway: I wonder if in practice there is any command that would be problematic with whitelisting
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44. # [00:08] <mbrubeck> Waldo: Asa's sr+ was also before we knew the impact on Ts/Tpaint/etc.
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47. # [00:08] <Waldo> mbrubeck: yes, and that's why those will be investigated
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49. # [00:08] <@gavin> policy for m-c is that you have to investigate your perf regressions before landing
50. # [00:09] <taras> mbrubeck: btw i'm aware of more perf concerns now..eg gfx throughput
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53. # [00:09] <mbrubeck> Cool, just making sure we don't have any misapprehension that the regressions were "approved" :P
54. # [00:09] <@gavin> exceptions can be made, but not clear to me why we need one in this case
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56. # [00:10] <@gavin> and it certainly doesn't seem like everyone is on the same page
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59. # [00:12] <Waldo> taras: if you have any thoughts as to how adding code to JS, not invoked by gfx, could affect gfx throughout, I am all ears
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62. # [00:12] <froydnj> the JS code lives in the actual ff binary, not libxul, yes?
63. # [00:12] <froydnj> or does icu live in libxul?
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65. # [00:13] <Waldo> froydnj: I believe ICU lives in the js library, whatever that is, wherever it is
66. # [00:13] <Waldo> statically linked into it, that is
67. # [00:13] <taras> Waldo: i do not
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75. # [00:16] <Waldo> till: note that all the Intl code is lazy, so it doesn't all get compiled fully every new window
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81. # [00:17] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/88919d816c32 - Nicholas Cameron - Bug 897409. Use a temporary surface instead of forcing image surfaces (v2). r=mattwoodrow
82. # [00:17] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/2809a0f567ca - Nicholas Cameron - Bug 897839. Use OMTC for invisible windows and initialise LayerTreeState::mParent. r=mattwoodrow
83. # [00:18] <till> Waldo: that's why I said that Ts might be caused by it
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85. # [00:18] <till> Waldo: I don't see why it would cause the tpaint regression
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88. # [00:18] <Waldo> hmm, maybe I'm misunderstanding
89. # [00:18] <Waldo> being lazy should mean *not* doing work
90. # [00:18] <Waldo> until necessary
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102. # [00:21] <till> Waldo: lazy parsing is disabled for self-hosted code, right now
103. # [00:21] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/faeacb9338fc - Mark Capella - Bug 900141 - Problems with new Context Menu Search, r=margaret
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106. # [00:22] <till> Waldo: which we should change
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108. # [00:22] <Waldo> huh, really?
109. # [00:23] <@dolske> till / Waldo: tpaint basically measures the time between calling window.open() and getting a mozafterpaint event for the content document in that window.
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113. # [00:23] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/2e7771dcfd89 - Terrence Cole - Bug 899827 - Allow AutoObjectObjectHashMap to store Nursery GC things; r=jonco
114. # [00:24] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/097a08472a11 - Terrence Cole - Bug 899827 - Allow self-hosting cloning to work on nursery things; r=till
115. # [00:24] <till> dolske: yeah, and that shouldn't be affected by the added self-hosting code for Intl at all
116. # [00:24] <@dolske> and yet here we are!
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119. # [00:24] <till> dolske: oh, I'm not saying it's not caused by Intl in toto
120. # [00:24] <@dolske> usually people are surprised by their regressions. :)
121. # [00:24] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/023d2f835ca0 - Andrea Marchesini - Bug 887524 - Move IDBRequest to WebIDL, r=janv
122. # [00:25] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/5737186129bb - Andrea Marchesini - Bug 891944 - Move IDBCursor to WebIDL, r=janv
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124. # [00:25] <till> dolske: there's a lot of stuff going on in that, so plenty of room for regressions to sneak in
125. # [00:25] <@dolske> exactly
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127. # [00:26] <till> Sadly, I only have a theory for Ts, right now
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129. # [00:26] <till> ... which might turn out to be false
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131. # [00:27] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/c84673c64f39 - Masatoshi Kimura - Backed out changeset 9c6dc3897c17 (bug 898136) for breaking SeaMonkey
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137. # [00:29] <@dolske> e a theory for Ts, right now
138. # [00:29] <@dolske> [15:30] <till> ... which might turn out to be false
139. # [00:29] <@dolske> [15:32] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/c84673c64f39 - Masatoshi Kimura - Backed out changeset 9c6dc3897c17 (bug 898136) for breaking SeaMonkey
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143. # [00:30] <till> huh?
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146. # [00:30] <Waldo> jgriffin: so I ran marionette, then killed it partway through, now localhost:2828 is stolen; how do I kill off the port so I can retry?
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150. # [00:30] <Waldo> till: regarding binary layout/size effects, we could kill off initializing Intl via #ifdefs and see what effect that has on numbers
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152. # [00:31] <Waldo> but still build/link/etc. it
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154. # [00:31] <jgriffin> Waldo: emulator on B2G or Firefox or what?
155. # [00:31] <Waldo> jgriffin: desktop Firefox
156. # [00:31] <NeilAway> evilpie: well, we already check the state on every focus, I think
157. # [00:31] <till> Waldo: mmh, yes
158. # [00:31] <Waldo> errors.MarionetteException: localhost:2828 is unavailable. and all that
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160. # [00:31] <evilpie> NeilAway: but we don't have to send information about it to chrome
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162. # [00:31] <jgriffin> Waldo: the port will probably be cleaned up by the OS in a minute or two
163. # [00:32] <till> Waldo: for Ts, I can also just printf timing info for the self-hosting initialization with and without Intl
164. # [00:32] <jgriffin> otherwise you may need a reboot
165. # [00:32] <Waldo> eurgh
166. # [00:32] <till> Waldo: but for the other stuff, that's probably what we should do
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168. # [00:32] <Waldo> it's also possible something in the browser is calling toLocaleString somewhere, which will trigger a lot of stuff being initialized
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171. # [00:33] <Waldo> although given the general uselessness of toLocaleString I'd doubt that's the case
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175. # [00:33] <till> to the mxr!
176. # [00:34] <Waldo> also toLocaleDateString, toLocaleTimeString, toLocaleDateTimeString I think
177. # [00:34] <till> toLocaleString is only used by tests, checking the others now
178. # [00:34] <NeilAway> evilpie: sorry, I meant that in non-e10s, every focus causes the state of the copy command to be updated
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180. # [00:35] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/d7d29572f9df - Chenxia Liu - Bug 888553 - Remote Debugging Part 1: Strings and prefs layout. r=lucasr
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185. # [00:35] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/0ed419e36e05 - Chenxia Liu - Bug 888533 - Part 3: Add link to MDN in remote debugging settings. r=lucasr
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188. # [00:36] <jcranmer> Waldo: http://dxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/search?limit=100&redirect=false&;q=regexp%3A%2F\btoLocale[A-Za-z]*String\b%2F%20-path%3Ajs%2Fsrc%2Fjit-test%2F%20-path%3Ajs%2Fsrc%2Ftests%2F
189. # [00:36] <jcranmer> till: ^^
190. # [00:36] <NeilAway> evilpie: hmm, actually someone's since optimised it: http://mxr.mozilla.org/comm-central/source/mozilla/toolkit/content/editMenuOverlay.js#7
191. # [00:37] <till> jcranmer: thanks
192. # [00:37] <jcranmer> looks like it is being killed
193. # [00:37] <jcranmer> s/killed/used/
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198. # [00:39] <till> jcranmer: I don't think any of the uses are relevant
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201. # [00:39] <till> we're interested in usages from js files, so *.js and *.jsm, I guess
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203. # [00:39] <evilpie> NeilAway: seems like I have to implement it somehow
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207. # [00:40] <jcranmer> till: devtools uses it, and there's one in the addon-sdk
208. # [00:41] <jcranmer> page info, feeds, and microdata
209. # [00:41] <till> jcranmer: oh, sure, but those usages won't be triggered by window.open()
210. # [00:41] <till> I hope
211. # [00:41] <Waldo> jgriffin: oh, bleh -- killing at the terminal doesn't kill the spawned firefox :-(
212. # [00:41] <jgriffin> ah ok
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216. # [00:42] <jcranmer> till: probably not, but I wouldn't bet on it
217. # [00:42] <tessarakt2> nice thread about standard C/C++
218. # [00:43] <tessarakt2> or, nice post starting the thread, still reading that
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222. # [00:43] <jcranmer> but the Chicago meeting for the C++ committee isn't until September!
223. # [00:43] <till> jcranmer: agreed
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225. # [00:44] <till> jcranmer: if it does run on window.open, we should be able to get more wins there, though
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227. # [00:45] <Waldo> by definition window.open gives you another win, right?
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234. # [00:47] <@dolske> Waldo: no, by default you'd get a new tab. *punblock*
235. # [00:47] <Waldo> dolske: not from the JS perspective, and not if I have that pref flipped :-P
236. # [00:49] <@dolske> Waldo: your opener was weak, but solid followup.
237. # [00:49] <Waldo> opener? but I...
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241. # [00:50] <@gavin> Waldo: a window different than "window" in the calling context, yeah
242. # [00:50] <@gavin> but it can give you an already-open window
243. # [00:50] <Waldo> *pedanticblock* :-D
244. # [00:50] <jcranmer> I've considered writing a blog post on some C++ thing where I ask users to rate their knowledge of C++ on a ranking from 1 to 10, where 1 is "what's that" and 10 is "well, actually, according to footnote in §3.10p10..." [and 11 is knowing that reference without opening up the standard]
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246. # [00:51] <Waldo> jcranmer: of the whole spec? ha, ha, ha
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250. # [00:52] <jcranmer> well, I suppose the highest is being able to cite a defect report that retroactively applies C++11 without looking it up
251. # [00:52] <jcranmer> why yes, I follow the github repository for the C++ spec, if you were wondering
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257. # [00:56] <Waldo> "I'd fork that"
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281. # [01:06] <NeilAway> evilpie: well, people expect their edit menu to reflect reality
282. # [01:06] <evilpie> NeilAway: true
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285. # [01:06] <Waldo> jgriffin: does 900080 require a marionette version-bump to have effect on tinderbox, or no?
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287. # [01:06] <evilpie> NeilAway: but we could request that information via javascript when somebody opens a context menu
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289. # [01:07] <Waldo> in the absence of reproduction locally, I'm tempted to just wait for a failing tbpl log with the actual message
290. # [01:07] <NeilAway> evilpie: we do... by calling isCommandEnabled
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292. # [01:07] <evilpie> NeilAway: well we would send the state for all these from content to chrome when somebody opens a context menu
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294. # [01:09] <NeilAway> evilpie: oh right, you want some way of coalescing all the checks into a single call?
295. # [01:09] <jgriffin> Waldo: no, it doesn't
296. # [01:10] <Waldo> cool
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299. # [01:10] <evilpie> NeilAway: basically
300. # [01:10] <evilpie> I just want to never check the state from chrome
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303. # [01:12] <NeilAway> evilpie: then you have to watch the state in content and notify all the time...
304. # [01:13] <evilpie> not because we initiate the context menu opening from content
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307. # [01:14] <evilpie> *no.
308. # [01:14] <evilpie> *no,
309. # [01:14] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/9a48c315c03c - Guillaume Abadie - bug 899811 - step 01 - gfx/gl/GLContext.h consolidation - r=bjacob,jgilbert
310. # [01:14] <efaust> does aynone know off the top of their heads which platform of try normally has the least backup? linux, maybe?
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312. # [01:14] * efaust just wants to do a quick litmus test
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317. # [01:16] <nthomas> efaust: http://trychooser.pub.build.mozilla.org/ gives queue counts
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319. # [01:16] <efaust> nthomas: so it does. Thanks!
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340. # [01:34] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/9dfe8e0a88cc - Andrew McCreight - Bug 887903 - Non-fatally assert when nsDeque fails due to OOM during scanning in CC. r=smaug
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351. # [01:41] <Callek> btw, dbaron++
352. # [01:42] <Callek> (for noticing permission state of b2g-inbound)
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354. # [01:43] <@gavin> permission state?
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358. # [01:46] <nthomas> it was level 2 instead of 3
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364. # [01:48] <@gavin> ah
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373. # [01:51] <mbrubeck> Gotta keep out all those level 2 committers... whoever they are. :)
374. # [01:51] <darktrojan> what's that way of getting the return value from the last command in bash, is it $! or something?
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376. # [01:52] <sunfish> $?
377. # [01:52] <darktrojan> ah
378. # [01:52] <darktrojan> thank you
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380. # [01:53] <@gavin> https://www.google.com/search?q=bash+last+command+return+value :)
381. # [01:53] <darktrojan> oh pff :P
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389. # [01:58] <squib> jcranmer: re: your thread on m.d.platform, i've mentioned it before, but i think it would be useful to at least keep up-to-date on all the fun new changes happening in C++ and at least talk about them on an individual basis
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392. # [01:58] <squib> jcranmer: also, i wouldn't mind an excuse to think about C++ more than i do now :)
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400. # [02:01] <Asa> Is this true of Mozilla? "To an intelligence agency, a well-thought-out weakness can easily be worth a cover identity and five years of salary to a top-notch programmer. Anybody who puts in five good years on an open source project can get away with inserting a patch that "on further inspection might not be optimal."
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402. # [02:02] <Waldo> Asa: depends what you're touching
403. # [02:02] <Asa> surely our code reviews and security reviews and third party researchers and all that would discover a NSA agent sneaking a backdoor into Firefox
404. # [02:02] <Waldo> Asa: touching SpiderMonkey code, I don't doubt it'd be possible, in a complex enough patch
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406. # [02:02] <jcranmer> well, how long did it take for people to discover that gps added the rickroll to the build system?
407. # [02:02] <jcranmer> 2 days?
408. # [02:02] <darktrojan> does your reviewer also work for the NSA?
409. # [02:02] <squib> Asa: i'm sure you could sneak *something* in, but i have serious doubts you could sneak a useful backdoorin
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411. # [02:03] <Asa> darktrojan: well, that's why we have open source so our reviewers can also be the world
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413. # [02:03] <squib> at least least not for long enough to get it to ride the trains to release
414. # [02:03] <Asa> and not just NSA agents
415. # [02:03] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/f775819f6b48 - Bill McCloskey - Bug 899812 - Error reporters should consistently report errors to stderr (r=bholley)
416. # [02:03] <Waldo> missing null-check can be leveraged to a full exploit, so I don't think "useful backdoor" is as obvious as it sounds
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418. # [02:03] <Asa> that's my thinking. we'd find a backdoor in the 3 months before ship
419. # [02:03] <Waldo> I doubt that
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421. # [02:03] <darktrojan> yeah, but the reviewer is the first and biggest roadblock, surely
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423. # [02:03] <Asa> ahh. so just checking in an easy exploit?
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425. # [02:04] <squib> Waldo: well, that's true, maybe. but wouldn't most things where that matters have a sec-review?
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428. # [02:04] <Mook_as> Asa: turns out only a small portion of the world's population understands mozilla code; probably for the same reason that there's only tiny number of companies actively hacking on mozilla code...
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432. # [02:04] <Asa> Mook_as: but that's more people than would be if it was just moco employees, no doubt
433. # [02:04] <Waldo> Asa: well, I'm thinking of something like the pwn2own from a year and a half ago -- the failure was obvious in hindsight, but it stuck around for a long time
434. # [02:04] <Waldo> squib: not necessarily
435. # [02:04] <darktrojan> Mossop, did you know hgchanges is busted?
436. # [02:05] <Asa> Waldo: ok. that's a good example. yeah.
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438. # [02:05] <jcranmer> Asa: I don't think even an experienced contributor could land a patch without getting it reviewed
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441. # [02:05] <Asa> jcranmer: tht was my initial challlenge to the article
442. # [02:05] <Mossop> darktrojan: Busted in what way?
443. # [02:05] <darktrojan> 500 errors
444. # [02:05] <Asa> they act like open source is like wikipedia
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446. # [02:05] <Mossop> Oooh
447. # [02:05] <Asa> with no formal reviews and stuff
448. # [02:06] <Mossop> darktrojan: No I didn't, thanks
449. # [02:06] <Asa> http://queue.acm.org/detail.cfm?id=2508864 is the article I'm reading, btw
450. # [02:06] <darktrojan> "HTTP 500" errors, that is
451. # [02:06] <darktrojan> not an amount :)
452. # [02:06] <squib> still, i think it would be pretty hard to make an intentional vulnerability like that which a) is hard to detect via review/tests and b) has plausible deniability
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454. # [02:06] <Waldo> Asa, squib: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=720079 was that bug; it went in pretty easily, was obvious in hindsight it was bad, is not clearly a backdoor, but it was reliable enough for pwn2own win
455. # [02:06] <jcranmer> could they slip an exploit into a reviewed patch?
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457. # [02:06] <Mossop> Now I have to remember how to debug django
458. # [02:06] <jcranmer> probably
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460. # [02:06] <darktrojan> Mossop, :-/
461. # [02:06] <Waldo> jcranmer: ^ the regressor was a reviewed patch there, we were all just Dumb :-|
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463. # [02:07] <jlebar> I wonder if anyone other than bz understands why we have nsNodeWeakReference.
464. # [02:07] <darktrojan> maybe he's the rat?
465. # [02:07] <jlebar> khuey|away: ^
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469. # [02:07] <squib> Waldo: i think it would be hard to do that intentionally, though, unless the agent in question was really familiar with the code
470. # [02:08] <squib> and at that point, you could just insert two agents and have one be the reviewer :)
471. # [02:08] <Asa> waldo: are you an NSA agent?
472. # [02:08] <jcranmer> Asa: that project is talking specifically about encryption code
473. # [02:08] <Asa> and do you have to naswer that honestly?
474. # [02:08] <Mook_as> So, umm. who here goes around comparing r+ed patches and actually checked in code for every commit? :p
475. # [02:08] <jcranmer> I think NSS has higher standards for review than most of Gecko
476. # [02:08] <Waldo> squib: five years' experience better be enough time to do that! might need another person to make sure it's nicely exploitable, but the exploit people have good tools for that, so even not-screamingly-awful things probably are
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478. # [02:09] <mbrubeck> squib: The scenario here is that the NSA agent is a top-knotch programmer who has been undercover as a contributor for 5+ years
479. # [02:09] <mbrubeck> so they would in fact know the code pretty well.
480. # [02:09] <Waldo> Asa: probably as a condition of employment I do, and no :-)
481. # [02:09] <Callek> jcranmer: less than two days, I think some people noticed the same 2 hours after he checked in -- it just didn't start rickrolling until two days later
482. # [02:09] <jcranmer> Asa: for the kind of backdoor they're talking about, I don't think it could happen in Mozilla
483. # [02:09] <Asa> are most memory safety bugs reliably exploitable (like >95%)
484. # [02:09] <mbrubeck> Seems pretty like a pretty high-cost attack given the number of ways it could be found out and reverted.
485. # [02:09] <jlebar> Asa: Consider that mozbugs_r4a (or whatever his name is) finds /tons/ of bugs in Firefox without even introducing them himself.
486. # [02:09] <squib> mbrubeck: right, but i'm saying if they had that long, they could also afford to have a second agent doing the reviews, which i think is more concerning
487. # [02:09] <squib> i.e. that everyone looking seriously at the code is a baddie
488. # [02:09] <mbrubeck> If I were the NSA, I'd probably focus on just getting backdoors into people's computers through some closed-source software that everyone installs.
489. # [02:09] <jcranmer> an exploit could be slipped in
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491. # [02:10] <jcranmer> a full backdoor that leaks all encrypted details probably couldn't
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494. # [02:10] <darktrojan> mbrubeck, bonsai buddy?
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496. # [02:10] <Asa> If I was the NSA, I'd just demand mozilla's update system access with a gag order and just update everyone with keyloggers :)
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499. # [02:10] <squib> Asa: if *i* were the NSA, i'd just talk to microsoft :)
500. # [02:10] <mbrubeck> even an exploit has a limited lifetime before someone discovers it... it would suck if your five years' cover were blown the next day by Jesse and his fuzzer. :P
501. # [02:10] <darktrojan> that ^
502. # [02:10] <Asa> gag orders are awesome
503. # [02:10] <Waldo> Asa: then you have years of courts to go through, tho
504. # [02:10] <jcranmer> squib: no, Verisign
505. # [02:11] <jcranmer> get the certificates
506. # [02:11] <squib> jcranmer: another good option
507. # [02:11] <Asa> squib; apparently they did. re:skype
508. # [02:11] <jcranmer> and pretend to be everybody in a MITM
509. # [02:11] <Waldo> at which point 5y contributions may even beat it
510. # [02:11] <squib> Asa: yeah, and outlook apparently
511. # [02:11] <jlebar> Asa: You wouldn't even need to introduce security bugs. You'd just need to get someone onto sg list
512. # [02:11] <squib> er, outlook.com
513. # [02:11] <jlebar> Asa: I got into sg during my second internship, iirc.
514. # [02:11] <Asa> jlebar: yeah. then you'd know about all of them but not necessarily be able to keep the bugs open.
515. # [02:12] <Asa> i mean, we fix a lot of bugs
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517. # [02:12] * jcranmer is cc'd on a few sec-sensitive bugs
518. # [02:12] <Asa> I mean, s/keep the bugs open/prevent mozilla fixes
519. # [02:12] <jcranmer> but that's it
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522. # [02:13] <jcranmer> now, granted, only one or two of those bugs are actually 0-day'able
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524. # [02:13] <Waldo> Asa: also an NSA agent probably wouldn't file the bug to fix the exploitable situation introduced by a patch he reviewed ;-)
525. # [02:13] <jcranmer> the others are "this may be something that someone cares about"
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527. # [02:13] <Asa> Waldo: yeah. makes sense.
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537. # [02:15] <@smaug> jlebar: I thought sicking added nsNodeWeakReference
538. # [02:16] <@smaug> jlebar: also, I think s/his/her/ when talking about moz_bugs_r4a
539. # [02:16] <jcranmer> Asa: I went to look at the author's credentials; he's apparently a FreeBSD core developer
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543. # [02:17] <@smaug> jlebar: yes, it was sicking who added nsNodeWeakReference, bug 360291
544. # [02:17] <Asa> FreeBSD. Wow. I almost forgot about them.
545. # [02:17] <jcranmer> the open-source projects I've worked on have had stronger review requirements
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547. # [02:19] <jlebar> smaug: thanks.
548. # [02:19] <@smaug> jcranmer: stronger ...than ?
549. # [02:19] <jcranmer> smaug: stronger than what that article implies exist
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553. # [02:20] <@smaug> ah
554. # [02:20] <jcranmer> I'm guessing most distro policies is "here, you have commit access, don't fuck anything"
555. # [02:20] <@smaug> even within a project the types of reviews vary a lot
556. # [02:20] <tbsaunde> Waldo: does someone have an example of missing nullcheck being exploitable under reasonable conditions?
557. # [02:22] <Waldo> tbsaunde: dveditz once pointed me at an exploitable bug where the error was writing a single '\0' one past the end of a buffer; there are doubtless missing-nullcheck bugs of similar magnitude
558. # [02:22] <jlebar> If I wanted to be really devious, I'd have my agent get L3 commit access (pretty easy) and then exploit the builders.
559. # [02:22] <jlebar> Then we'd never notice.
560. # [02:22] <Waldo> isn't that why the try builders are sequestered somewhat?
561. # [02:22] <jlebar> Waldo: Indeed
562. # [02:23] * nthomas is now known as nthomas|away
563. # [02:23] <jlebar> But the L3 builders are The Real Thing, aiui
564. # [02:23] <mbrubeck> Waldo: But once you exploit a try server, every try job could be backdoored
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567. # [02:23] <mbrubeck> and then the person who downloads and runs it is exploited
568. # [02:23] <mbrubeck> ...
569. # [02:23] <Waldo> trusting trust, trying try
570. # [02:23] <jlebar> :)
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572. # [02:24] <tbsaunde> I wonder how hard it would be to check something into m-i that gets root on the machine itsbuilt on
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574. # [02:24] <tbsaunde> and of course not be noticed
575. # [02:24] * ewong|away is now known as ewong
576. # [02:24] <jlebar> If I have template<class T> class Foo {}; how do I make T a friend of Foo? Just doing |friend class T| doesn't work.
577. # [02:25] <jcranmer> tbsaunde: probably very hard
578. # [02:25] <Waldo> there are probably holes in the image decoders; sneaking payload into an image is probably not the hardest thing in the world
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580. # [02:25] <jcranmer> tbsaunde: we notice when changesets don't match up
581. # [02:25] <jlebar> Ah, maybe |friend T|.
582. # [02:25] <mbrubeck> Waldo: My master plan is to find an exploit in a common QR code library, and then write the real version of the Snow Crash virus for Google Glass. :)
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584. # [02:26] <tbsaunde> jcranmer: match up with what?
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586. # [02:26] <jlebar> mbrubeck: already done, sorry. http://www.saurik.com/id/16
587. # [02:26] <jlebar> Actually, that's the wrong one.
588. # [02:26] <jlebar> mbrubeck: Here we go. http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/google-glass-hacked-by-a-simple-qr-code-new-tech-means-new-exploits-8714410.html
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597. # [02:29] <till> Talos tests are still running on the 2010 Mac Minis, right?
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599. # [02:30] <mbrubeck> jlebar: awesome!
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609. # [03:16] <joe> yup
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622. # [03:23] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/3192aca82ff3 - Gregory Szorc - Bug 899792 - Establish precompile tier and move IPDL and WebIDL build rules; r=glandium
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649. # [03:42] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/b16893e6cb28 - Stephen Pohl - Bug 877097: Hold strong refs to instances of ScrollbarActivity to avoid crashing. r=mats
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657. # [03:48] <ewong> can someone look at this error log and clarify what could be the solution to the problem?) http://pastebin.mozilla.org/2755043
658. # [03:49] <ewong> gtk_color_selection_dialog_get_color_selection is clearly in widget/gtk2/compat/gtk/gtkcolorselectiondialog.h
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661. # [03:49] <ewong> could it be because it's not reading the gtkcolorselectiondialog.h?
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671. # [03:56] <dholbert> bustage on inbound
672. # [03:56] <dholbert> from the mozilla::Atomic stuff, looks like
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681. # [04:03] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/19c4b977342b - Daniel Holbert - backout 1e31542e117c (Bug 888548 part 1) for B2G build bustage on a CLOSED TREE
682. # [04:03] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/b045a3eb7507 - Daniel Holbert - backout f607ac59de19 (Bug 888548 part 2) for B2G build bustage
683. # [04:03] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/ff607d314da1 - Daniel Holbert - backout fc98067f0aa4 (Bug 888548 part 3) for B2G build bustage
684. # [04:04] <dholbert> backed out. Thanks to whoever closed the tree. likely (?) safe to reopen now
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687. # [04:05] <KWierso|Home> dholbert: thanks for the backout
688. # [04:05] <KWierso|Home> didn't have a tree handy, myself :)
689. # [04:05] <dholbert> KWierso|Home, np :)
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691. # [04:07] <darktrojan> woah
692. # [04:07] <heycam> 9xxxxx bug numbers sure do look weird
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694. # [04:07] <darktrojan> give this man a TBPL prize https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Fx-Team&rev=cdda582f86ce
695. # [04:07] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/6d2419297ec8 - Daniel Holbert - Bug 900246: Mark variable as DebugOnly in DirectionalityUtils.cpp, to fix opt "unused variable" build warning. r=smontagu
696. # [04:07] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/0550f8dd05a7 - Daniel Holbert - Bug 900242: Mark overriding nsBlockFrame methods as MOZ_OVERRIDE. r=mats
697. # [04:07] <heycam> I'm not looking forward to 7 digit bug numbers
698. # [04:08] <mbrubeck> darktrojan: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=701655
699. # [04:09] <darktrojan> I know that, it's my bug :)
700. # [04:09] * darktrojan nominates
701. # [04:09] <mbrubeck> \o/
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704. # [04:09] <mbrubeck> heh, no mobile tests on fx-team. Is that cheating? :)
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707. # [04:10] <mbrubeck> or just not on that push, I guess
708. # [04:10] <KWierso|Home> coalesce your way to victory!
709. # [04:10] <mbrubeck> oh, because it only touched files in /browser
710. # [04:10] <darktrojan> yeah noticed that
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713. # [04:10] <darktrojan> figured if they don't run it doesn't matter
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715. # [04:11] <mbrubeck> hooray for 787449
716. # [04:11] <mbrubeck> bug 787449, that is
717. # [04:11] <firebot> Check-in:
718. # [04:11] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/c46dfdd8d90c - Alex Xu - Bug 900284: Use #ifdef ACCESSIBILITY around member variables only used inside #ifdef ACCESSIBILITY, to avoid clang warnings (and reduce object size with
719. # [04:12] <firebot> --disable-accessibility). r=dbaron
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780. # [04:42] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/21bc76970edc - Yoshi Huang - Bug 899946 - strange call to crypto.generateCRMFRequest from test_bug882865.html. r=Ms2ger
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824. # [05:21] <@dbaron> um, do we not run Linux debug browser-chrome tests anymore?
825. # [05:21] <@dbaron> oh, they're still on Fedora
826. # [05:24] <Callek> dbaron: yea, we [releng] _really_ want some momentum behind moving those tests to ubuntu
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890. # [06:09] <@roc> how does one run mochitests locally these days? "make mochitest-plain" doesn't work anymore, and "./mach mochitest-plain" doesn't work either.
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894. # [06:10] <heycam> I thought that might have been fixed on inbound now, but if not, you should still be able to do `TEST_PATH=whatever/something_test.html make -C objdir/ mochitest-plain`
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897. # [06:11] <@roc> it might be fixed on inbound, but it's central that's supposed to be the stable repo :-)
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899. # [06:12] <@roc> that make command doesn't work; it's what I usually use. "TypeError: initializeProfile() got an unexpected keyword argument 'appsPath'"
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902. # [06:14] <gps> oh, the make target is broken and mach works? perhaps I will use this excuse to delete the make target...
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904. # [06:14] <@roc> no, they're both broken.
905. # [06:14] <gps> even on inbound? did ted land his fix?
906. # [06:14] <@roc> no, I'm on central.
907. # [06:14] <@roc> central is the stable repo remember?
908. # [06:15] <gps> it was only broken for certain use cases IIRC
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910. # [06:15] <gps> try running mach from the objdir
911. # [06:15] <@roc> running "./mach mochitest-plain toolkit/content/tests/widgets/test_bug898940.html" I get "ImportError: No module named mochitest_options"
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914. # [06:16] <@roc> And above that "The error occurred in code that was called by the mach command. This is either a bug in the called code itself or in the way that mach is calling it. You should consider filing a bug for this issue."
915. # [06:17] <@roc> running mach from the objdir doesn't help.
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918. # [06:22] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/caa64b53b0ba - Nicholas Cameron - Bug 897787. Test changes. r=roc
919. # [06:22] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/95dc8e7a8a8d - Nicholas Cameron - Bug 897787. New test to catch the scaling bug. r=roc
920. # [06:22] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/650bf3681eee - Nicholas Cameron - Bug 897787. Use background-size in preference to background positioning area size for a background-image's preferered size. r=roc
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932. # [06:30] <dcamp> Benvie: around?
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936. # [06:33] <@roc> ok, filed bugs 900334 and 900335
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940. # [06:36] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/95cf8e61d70d - Nicholas Nethercote - Bug 898912 (part 11) - Use matchChar() to look for TOK_TRIPLEDOT. r=till.
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963. # [06:49] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/800c42ff8a39 - Nicholas Cameron - Bug 874721. Fallback for EnsureAllocated and compositor, and some more sanity checks. r=mattwoodrow
964. # [06:49] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/4dc2fe96748c - Nicholas Cameron - Bug 874721; identify multi-process OMTC and use shmem. r=Bas
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966. # [06:49] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/0ff6b2c79b2c - Nicholas Cameron - Bug 874721. CompositorD3D9, r=Bas
967. # [06:50] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/1894d7ef6805 - Nicholas Cameron - Bug 874721; don't OOM with large canvases. r=Bas
968. # [06:50] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/5ed14faa7107 - Nicholas Cameron - Bug 874721; implement CreateRenderTargetFromSource and clear surfaces before use. r=Bas
969. # [06:50] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/db732bedb72a - Nicholas Cameron - Bug 874721. Ensure a compositable is valid before use. r=Bas
970. # [06:50] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/030dde7c4d86 - Nicholas Cameron - Bug 874721; fuzz some tests. r=Bas
971. # [06:50] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/575d8f92093c - Nicholas Cameron - Bug 874721; Re-fix WebGL. r=mattwoodrow
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980. # [06:57] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/112a7dc732e3 - Nicholas Cameron - Bug 899435. Tidy up pt 3 - d3d11. r=Bas
981. # [06:57] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/ee14a57c92b7 - Nicholas Cameron - Bug 899435. Tidy up pt 1. r=mattwoodrow
982. # [06:58] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/beecdffc9ebd - Nicholas Cameron - Bug 899435. Tidy up pt 2 - d3d9. r=Bas
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986. # [07:02] <nrc> is happy to note that the five most recent pushes to inbound are by somebody called Nicholas
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993. # [07:07] <@njn> nrc: 25 patches, to boot
994. # [07:08] <nrc> :-)
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996. # [07:10] <nrc> kinda paranoid about burnage now, but fingers crossed...
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1008. # [07:25] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/0d64206b8dff - Benjamin Bouvier - Bug 900308 - Kill warnings for MForceUse::congruentTo; r=djvj
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1020. # [07:35] <tmyoung> Encountered a new crash signature that I've never seen before. [@ShouldClearPurple] ? I have traced code to http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/content/base/src/FragmentOrElement.cpp#1415 as one who knows little of Mozilla's C++ code. What is the purple buffer that's referenced in the comments in that code?
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1022. # [07:36] <@dbaron> did bugzilla just go down?
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1024. # [07:36] <glob> dbaron, yes; investigating
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1028. # [07:37] <@dbaron> ah, and here I was getting ready to debug a fatal assertion on the socket transport thread
1029. # [07:37] <tmyoung> Firebot is still calling Bugzilla, but I can't get anything.
1030. # [07:37] <firebot> tmyoung: Sorry, I've no idea what 'is still calling Bugzilla, but I can't get anything' might be.
1031. # [07:37] <nrc> if I lose this 60 file review I'm nearly finisihed with I am going to be very, very sad
1032. # [07:37] <@dbaron> since that's usually the cause of loading sites hanging
1033. # [07:37] <glob> dbaron, XD
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1041. # [07:45] <glob> bmo appears to have recovered
1042. # [07:45] <KWierso|Home> nrc: uh oh
1043. # [07:46] <nrc> I see bustage, investigating...
1044. # [07:46] <nrc> KWierso|Home: give me a few minutes, inbound is quiet so I can probably fix that
1045. # [07:46] <KWierso|Home> go for it :)
1046. # [07:46] <nrc> ta
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1048. # [07:48] <nrc> yeah, its an easy fix, one sec and I'll ahve a fix
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1053. # [07:50] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/6b8df204adb4 - Nicholas Cameron - Minor bustage fix (misapplied patch from bug 899435). r=me
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1055. # [07:52] <nrc> I predict Windows burnage for the same reason on Benjamin's push
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1082. # [08:08] <nrc> GAH more orange
1083. # [08:08] <nrc> looking...
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1096. # [08:20] <nrc> hmm, don't think I fix that, might just need a clobber, but maybe not....
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1098. # [08:20] <nrc> backing out...
1099. # [08:20] <markh> anyone know how to get the process ID of the process hosting a remote browser?
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1120. # [08:35] <nrc> damn, that was a funky backout
1121. # [08:35] <nrc> but done
1122. # [08:35] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/bbcffb6957ac - Nicholas Cameron - back out bug 874721, bug 899435
1123. # [08:36] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/76eced21cb7a - Nicholas Cameron - merge backout, a=me
1124. # [08:36] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/c27f63e03ad7 - Nicholas Cameron - merge backout, a=me
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1133. # [08:42] <nrc> OK, I've got to head off. I think any Talos orange can be blamed on my now backed-out patches
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1167. # [09:08] <paul> A chrome:// document in a Firefox tab doesn't behave the same way as if it was in its own window: iframes don't bubble-up the "load" event from their document.
1168. # [09:08] <paul> How can I work aroud that?
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1181. # [09:26] <NeilAway> evilpie: I said edit menu, not context menu...
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1189. # [09:32] <gaston> hmmmm something is strange in 23.0 candidate build1, which wasnt the case in 23.0b9
1190. # [09:33] <gaston> the package is 300mb while it used to be 30mb..
1191. # [09:33] <gaston> 26531748 Jul 26 11:59 /usr/ports/packages/amd64/all/firefox-23.0beta9.tgz
1192. # [09:33] <gaston> 348484148 Aug 1 09:30 /usr/ports/packages/amd64/all/firefox-23.0.tgz
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1196. # [09:35] <gaston> and i dont see any relevant change between b9 and build1
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1206. # [09:38] <glandium> gaston: diff the sources
1207. # [09:39] <gaston> i'm going to compare the produced packages first :)
1208. # [09:39] <gaston> 1582304 -rw-r--r-- 1 landry wsrc 809992192 Aug 1 08:58 lib/firefox-23.0/libxul.so.41.0
1209. # [09:39] <glandium> gaston: considering the sizes, it probably has to do with stripping
1210. # [09:39] <gaston> libxul looks normal at least
1211. # [09:39] <gaston> oh no
1212. # [09:39] <gaston> it's not normal at all :)
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1215. # [09:40] <gaston> so it got stripped on beta9 but not in release/build1..
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1218. # [09:40] <glandium> gaston: you mean, in your build, right
1219. # [09:40] <gaston> yes, of course
1220. # [09:41] <gaston> i always have problems unseen on the official infra :)
1221. # [09:41] <glandium> gaston: you manage to have more problems than i do
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1223. # [09:42] <gaston> that's part of the challenge i guess..
1224. # [09:42] <gaston> so now to find out what flag controls lib stripping..
1225. # [09:43] <gaston> previously using --disable-debug-symbols wasnt mandatory, libxul was linked with all debug symbols in objfiles, and then stripped
1226. # [09:43] <glandium> tbsaunde: fyi: before: 208 static initializers, after switch to vtables: 539, with constexpr: 211 ; now i'm rebuilding without the patch to see the difference in the list of static initializers :)
1227. # [09:44] <glandium> gaston: that's still not mandatory
1228. # [09:44] <glandium> gaston: what is STRIP in config/autoconf.mk?
1229. # [09:44] <glandium> and STRIP_FLAGS
1230. # [09:45] <gaston> same thing on 23 and m-c, STRIP=strip and STRIP_FLAGS empty
1231. # [09:45] <gaston> you think STRIP_FLAGS should be -s ?
1232. # [09:45] <glandium> then no reason it shouldn't strip
1233. # [09:46] <gaston> oh well i'll redo a build and will log it this time..
1234. # [09:47] <Tomcat> good morning
1235. # [09:47] <glandium> Tomcat: good afternoon
1236. # [09:48] <Tomcat> :)
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1239. # [09:51] <gaston> huh, two 500 errors on bmo in a row :(
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1242. # [09:51] <gaston> glob: something broken on bmo ? cant upload an attachment without having a 500
1243. # [09:51] <glob> gaston, indeed; we're looking at it
1244. # [09:51] <gaston> ok, opening any bug gives a 500
1245. # [09:52] <gaston> ah, good :)
1246. # [09:52] <Tomcat> but the new 500 page looks nice :)
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1249. # [09:53] <markh> yeah, +1 for the pretty 500 page for bugzilla
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1253. # [09:55] <gaston> ahah :)
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1255. # [09:56] <gaston> breaking bmo just to show that new page was a bit crazy imho :p
1256. # [09:56] <glob> lol
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1260. # [09:59] <Callek> gaston: if he didn't break it how would you see that page
1261. # [09:59] <Callek> we all know you wouldn't have looked elsewhere
1262. # [09:59] <Callek> (I know I wouldn't have)
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1265. # [10:00] <gaston> that seems fixed now :)
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1267. # [10:00] <glob> indeed
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1282. # [10:05] <Ms2ger> Bonjour
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1286. # [10:08] <Tomcat> good morning Ms2ger
1287. # [10:10] <glazou> bonjour!
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1291. # [10:13] <glob> happy bmo push day! http://globau.wordpress.com/2013/08/01/happy-bmo-push-day-57/
1292. # [10:14] <Fallen> I have a question about landing on integration branches and how to manage this locally. I have a m-c clone, would it be advisable to hg pull from the integration branch so I can land on it? If so, what implications does this have for the default branch?
1293. # [10:14] * heycam oohs at "exclude users from the review suggestions list who have “unavailable” or “PTO” in their real name"
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1295. # [10:14] <heycam> (although (1) I usually put "(away date-date)" in my name, and (2) I don't think I'm in any reviewer suggestion lists)
1296. # [10:15] <gaston> Fallen: it works fine as long as you pull from the 'most up2date' branch
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1298. # [10:16] <gaston> some people with way more mercurial knowledge could confirm/infirm, but i'm using a single clone for m-c & m-i and it works fine
1299. # [10:16] <gaston> as long as you dont try to push to m-i when you pulled from m-c which was ahead of m-i
1300. # [10:16] <gaston> (not sure i'm clear..)
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1302. # [10:17] <Callek> Fallen: fwiw since i don't land often, I usually keep just m-c around, and when I need to land I pull from inbound and push to inbound, but leave my local tree pretending its m-c
1303. # [10:17] <Fallen> gaston: so to "switch" between branches I just need to pull from the target branch again?
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1305. # [10:17] <Callek> Fallen: if I did a lot more pushing with m-c I'd keep a seperate local clone, or keep a m-i clone instead of m-c, but the way you mentioned, is the way I do, and the way gaston does at least
1306. # [10:18] * heycam is now known as heycam|away
1307. # [10:18] <Ms2ger> heycam|away, you're not? We can fix that
1308. # [10:18] <Callek> Fallen: you'll usually not have local changes that are not in m-i on your m-c clone, if you do you can hg strip -r "outgoing()"
1309. # [10:18] <Callek> (warning only run strip with your mq popp'ed or you risk losing it)
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1311. # [10:18] <Ms2ger> glob, hrm, I can't get into https://bmo.etherpad.mozilla.org/suggested-reviewers anymore
1312. # [10:18] <Callek> Fallen: if all else fails and you get worried safest is always just to keep a second clone
1313. # [10:19] * simone|away is now known as simone
1314. # [10:19] <glob> Ms2ger, yup, i've started data entry on that in earnest, and it was hard to hit a moving target
1315. # [10:19] <glob> Ms2ger, do you have a product/component you want updated?
1316. # [10:19] <Ms2ger> glob, no, was just wondering if heycam did get away with not being suggested
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1318. # [10:20] <NeilAway> paul: well, you could capture all load events from all documents in the tab by getting the docshell from the window and attaching your event listener to its chrome event handler... don't forget to remove it when you're done
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1321. # [10:20] <glob> Ms2ger, he tells no lies
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1325. # [10:21] <Fallen> Callek: ah ok, that kind of makes sense. So I can just pull from fx-team, apply my patches using hg qfin default, push to fx-team, then hg strip everything thats outgoing() to fx-team?
1326. # [10:21] <Ms2ger> Fallen, that's a strange order...
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1328. # [10:22] <Ms2ger> Unless you don't want your landed patches locally
1329. # [10:22] <Fallen> Ms2ger: they will merge to m-c anyway when the integration folks take care of it?
1330. # [10:22] <Ms2ger> True
1331. # [10:23] <paul> NeilAway: understood. Thanks.
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1334. # [10:23] <steve> hi all. does anyone know the status of the tiled renderer on d3d10 ?
1335. # [10:23] <Fallen> if I leave away the strip step, what will I have to do to make sure my default branch is not messed up?
1336. # [10:24] <NeilAway> paul: (the chrome event handler for all the frames in a tab is the browser element)
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1338. # [10:26] <paul> NeilAway: thanks
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1352. # [10:33] <Fallen> Callek: hmm I think I messed something up. I did hg pull fx-team then hg up -r default. Now when I do hg out fx-team, I get a load of things that would be pushed.
1353. # [10:34] <Ms2ger> Fallen, then fx-team was behind m-c; either merge m-c to fx-team first or strip
1354. # [10:35] <Fallen> Ok, I'm going to try stripping :-)
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1356. # [10:37] * Ms2ger closes his eyes
1357. # [10:37] <steve> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/gfx/layers/client/ClientThebesLayer.cpp
1358. # [10:38] <steve> #ifdef FORCE_BASICTILEDTHEBESLAYER
1359. # [10:38] <steve> 173 if (GetCompositorBackendType() == LAYERS_OPENGL) {
1360. # [10:38] <steve> ...
1361. # [10:38] <steve> so current status of tiled renderer is GL only for now it would appear. just thinking out loud :)
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1369. # [10:41] <Fallen> Hm the strip backup is 13mb.
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1371. # [10:43] <Standard8> dzbarsky: fyi I think you have orange on inbound
1372. # [10:43] * simone|brb is now known as simone
1373. # [10:44] <Ms2ger> Clearly
1374. # [10:45] <Ms2ger> dzbarsky, are you fixing?
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1376. # [10:46] <dzbarsky> Ms2ger: I think i'll just back it out again
1377. # [10:46] <Ms2ger> Okay
1378. # [10:47] <Ms2ger> (In one changeset, I hope ;))
1379. # [10:47] <dzbarsky> Ms2ger: every time I land I get a different test failing =(
1380. # [10:47] <Ms2ger> Land them one by one to appease the gods? :)
1381. # [10:47] * glob is now known as glob|away
1382. # [10:48] <Tomcat> dzbarsky: cool was about to find you for the test failures
1383. # [10:48] <Tomcat> err find/ping
1384. # [10:48] <Tomcat> :)
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1389. # [10:50] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/800e0ac69709 - David Zbarsky - merge backout
1390. # [10:50] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/b51833fb5854 - David Zbarsky - backout Bug 893117 for mochitest failure
1391. # [10:51] <darktrojan> NeilAway, are you familiar with how xbl bindings are applied to elements (specifically anonymous content)?
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1398. # [10:54] * Gijs grumbles.
1399. # [10:55] <Gijs> So if I have a XUL doc with vertical orientation, and I have a node in it with position: absolute
1400. # [10:55] <Gijs> why does that still push down the nodes below it?
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1402. # [10:56] <Gijs> Position fixed works, apparently...
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1405. # [10:57] * mjrosenb|ARM just pushed his first patch for a 9[0-9]* bug!
1406. # [10:57] <darktrojan> css doesn't logically apply to xul Gijs
1407. # [10:57] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/db6598c7675f - Marty Rosenberg - Bug 900357: Don't use the ScratchRegister when the ScratchRegister can be used for computing an address. (r=jbramley)
1408. # [10:57] <darktrojan> you find something that works and then stick with it
1409. # [10:58] <Gijs> darktrojan: yeah... I'm ever more enthusiastic to just switching to HTML UI.
1410. # [10:58] <Gijs> but we're not quite able to do that just yet, I think...
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1412. # [10:59] <darktrojan> that's a shame, I'm sure Unfocused would love to rewrite the addons manager in HTML
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1415. # [11:00] <darktrojan> it would fix my current problem
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1420. # [11:03] <Gijs> I mean, personally I think we should use HTML
1421. # [11:04] <Gijs> ... where we can
1422. # [11:04] <Gijs> is what I meant to say :)
1423. # [11:04] <Gijs> So if the addons manager can be done in pure HTML, I'd be in favour
1424. # [11:04] <Gijs> but I'm not sure it could be...
1425. # [11:04] <Gijs> darktrojan: out of curiosity, what's your current problem?
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1427. # [11:04] <darktrojan> XBL!
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1429. # [11:05] <darktrojan> it's picky
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1431. # [11:05] <Gijs> just the part that kills babies, or something else?
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1433. # [11:05] <darktrojan> no, the baby death bit is working fine
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1435. # [11:07] <Fallen> Callek: ok how do I return to where I was before? The hg strip took some time and is 13mb big, but when I do hg in default, then there are no changes. I have the feeling I'm missing 13 mb of history. The tip matches m-c though...
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1437. # [11:09] <NeilAway> darktrojan: sorry, unsure what you're asking
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1440. # [11:10] <NeilAway> Gijs: because xul doesn't really like positioning?
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1442. # [11:10] <darktrojan> so am I!
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1444. # [11:10] * NeilAway wonders why Gijs wants a positioned element anyway
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1446. # [11:11] <darktrojan> NeilAway, if I run this code, I get bindings applied to the inserted nodes, but no anonymous content from the bindings http://pastebin.mozilla.org/2757097
1447. # [11:11] <darktrojan> but, if I remove the importNode call, it works
1448. # [11:12] <darktrojan> (that's edited from http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/toolkit/mozapps/extensions/content/extensions.js#2941)
1449. # [11:12] <Tomcat> nrc: ping
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1451. # [11:13] <NeilAway> darktrojan: dunno, maybe a bug in importNode?
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1453. # [11:13] <darktrojan> that's an idea, I was assuming it was xbl
1454. # [11:15] <Gijs> darktrojan: try catch the importNode call, and Cu.reportError any exception?
1455. # [11:15] <darktrojan> I don't get any exceptions
1456. # [11:15] <Gijs> It's in an XHR event handler
1457. # [11:15] <Gijs> I wouldn't trust not seeing any exceptions in your browser console as meaning there really aren't any.
1458. # [11:16] <darktrojan> I know, but there's already a try/catch
1459. # [11:16] <Gijs> Ah.
1460. # [11:16] <Gijs> what bindings are meant to be applied, and do they have constructors?
1461. # [11:17] <darktrojan> well, there was a try/catch
1462. # [11:17] <Gijs> also, are you sure that rows.ownerDocument == document in that scope ?
1463. # [11:17] <darktrojan> long ago
1464. # [11:18] <darktrojan> yes
1465. # [11:19] <Gijs> yes to which of the above? In the case of constructors, are you sure the constructors aren't throwing? :)
1466. # [11:19] <darktrojan> that would be odd
1467. # [11:20] * darktrojan tries trying
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1470. # [11:21] <darktrojan> no exceptions anywhere there
1471. # [11:21] <glazou> darktrojan, Gijs, NeilAway: to position an element relatively to a container in XUL, see <stack> https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/XUL/stack
1472. # [11:21] <Gijs> glazou: that's not what I want. I just want it out of flow. :)
1473. # [11:22] <glazou> then XUL is not your friend...
1474. # [11:22] <Gijs> (also, I really really don't want to complicate my markup in this case)
1475. # [11:22] <Gijs> Is XUL ever my friend?
1476. # [11:22] <Ms2ger> No
1477. # [11:22] <glazou> it's mine
1478. # [11:22] <Gijs> glazou: you seem a bit possessive...
1479. # [11:22] <Gijs> ;)
1480. # [11:23] <glazou> BlueGriffon and BlueGriffon EPUB would be very complex apps to write w/o XUL...
1481. # [11:23] <darktrojan> you can have it
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1490. # [11:34] <Unfocused> darktrojan / Gijs: heh.... ironically, XBL is the main reason why we can't do the addons manager in html ;)
1491. # [11:36] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/a18191f49ae6 - aceman - Bug 896738 - Declare msg variable in testing/xpcshell/head.js. r=ted
1492. # [11:36] <Optimizer> which channel is for rhino ?
1493. # [11:36] <Optimizer> (although seems like it is dead)
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1497. # [11:37] <MihaiMorar> who knows how can I open FF using an existing profile from another machine in same network, using Ubuntu 13.04 ?
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1499. # [11:38] <Gijs> MihaiMorar: why?
1500. # [11:38] <MihaiMorar> for testing a regression issue
1501. # [11:39] <Gijs> Copy the profile and use -p ?
1502. # [11:39] <Gijs> or ssh with -X forwarding.
1503. # [11:39] * Gijs would not recommend using firefox over a network share, really. :s
1504. # [11:39] <MihaiMorar> I have to access it directly from that machine
1505. # [11:41] <MihaiMorar> and when Choose Folder window is open I cannot see any network location ( as I can see on Windows the network connection)
1506. # [11:41] <darktrojan> aha
1507. # [11:41] * darktrojan finds a sneaky way around the problem
1508. # [11:41] <MihaiMorar> https://moztrap.mozilla.org/manage/cases/?filter-id=7514#caseversion-id-66994
1509. # [11:42] <Unfocused> Optimizer: afaik, there's just https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/mozilla-rhino these days
1510. # [11:42] <MihaiMorar> these are the steps I have to follow
1511. # [11:42] <Unfocused> darktrojan: should i be worried? ;)
1512. # [11:42] <darktrojan> you've seen this code, right?
1513. # [11:42] <Unfocused> heh
1514. # [11:43] <Unfocused> maybe its a good thing i just finished my rum
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1517. # [11:43] <Gijs> Unfocused: yeah, I think the lack of web components is the main obstacle for pretty much all of Firefox (plus a few random XUL widgets whose magic we should just add to their HTML equivalents already)
1518. # [11:43] <Optimizer> Unfocused: so no plans on adapting to ES5 ?
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1520. # [11:44] <darktrojan> great now I've broken the other test of the three applicable
1521. # [11:44] <Unfocused> Optimizer: no idea, my knowledge of rhino is very limited
1522. # [11:44] <Optimizer> should be more focused!
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1524. # [11:44] <Gijs> MihaiMorar: all of them specifically say Windows. Why are you trying to do this on Linux?
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1526. # [11:45] <MihaiMorar> Gijs:
1527. # [11:45] <MihaiMorar> the Profile must be created on Windows
1528. # [11:45] <Unfocused> let me put it another way: my knowledge of rhino is restricted to the questions i see about rhino and attempt to answer... which in itself is next to nothing
1529. # [11:45] <MihaiMorar> that test must be run on all OS's using an existing profile created on Windows
1530. # [11:46] <Gijs> Running profiles created on one OS on another OS used to already be asking for trouble.
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1533. # [11:46] <Gijs> MihaiMorar: I'd doublecheck that that understanding of the test is correct before doing anything else.
1534. # [11:46] <MihaiMorar|lunch> Gijs: ok i'll do some investigations about this
1535. # [11:46] <MihaiMorar|lunch> have to go for lunch
1536. # [11:47] <MihaiMorar|lunch> thanks Gijs
1537. # [11:47] <Gijs> :)
1538. # [11:47] <Ms2ger> decoder, calling free() on the result of new Foo() is a bug, right?
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1541. # [11:48] <senicar> hi, I'm trying to convert my classic addon to restartless (without sdk) and I0m having problems getting the constructor name. Before I used "event.target instanceof HTMLElement" but now it returns "is not defined", I can see that it's in XrayWrapper, how can I get instanceof to work in bootstrap.js?
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1543. # [11:49] <jfkthame> Ms2ger: definitely
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1546. # [11:53] <decoder> Ms2ger: jfkthame: well, in our codebase new Foo() calls malloc
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1549. # [11:54] <decoder> so it's not a big issue afaik
1550. # [11:54] <decoder> but we still consider it a bug
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1555. # [11:55] <Ms2ger> Always fun when you find a bug in code that hasn't had real changes since 2002-08-29
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1557. # [11:59] <decoder> Ms2ger: jfkthame: i am not exactly sure what happens with constructors/destructors if you do what you just described in our codebase, with our new/delete
1558. # [11:59] <decoder> glandium can answer that most likely
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1571. # [12:14] <jfkthame> decoder: at a minimum, i'd guess the object's destructor wouldn't get called
1572. # [12:14] <decoder> jfkthame: thats what I guess too, yes.
1573. # [12:15] <glandium> indeed
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1575. # [12:15] <decoder> this is why I want asan's alloc-dealloc checking to work
1576. # [12:15] <Ms2ger> I don't think there's destructors involved here
1577. # [12:15] <jfkthame> in any case, it's still a bug, even if our implementation happens to handle it safely at this point
1578. # [12:16] <decoder> constructor called + destructor not called can lead to leaks I could imagine.. destructor called, but constructor not could even be worse^^
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1580. # [12:17] <decoder> yea. and at some point, I want to have a switch that disables our new/delete operators
1581. # [12:17] <Ms2ger> Mm
1582. # [12:17] <decoder> and uses the standard ones, so we can use asan
1583. # [12:17] <decoder> with alloc-dealloc checking enabled
1584. # [12:17] <decoder> then this bug would trigger
1585. # [12:17] <Ms2ger> How about when it's a struct without a defined constructor, but with std::string members?
1586. # [12:18] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/e96bc10145e9 - Jon Coppeard - Bug 899970 - Post barrier heap pointers in js/ipc r=terrence
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1588. # [12:18] <jfkthame> memory owned by the string members will leak if you just free() the struct, surely
1589. # [12:18] <Six> hi, i have a quick question about makefiles:
1590. # [12:19] <Ms2ger> Or if it has a mozilla::Mutex member
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1592. # [12:19] <Six> what is the differences between: FAIL_ON_WARNINGS = 1 and FAIL_ON_WARNINGS :=1 ??
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1594. # [12:19] <Ms2ger> Six, nothing important
1595. # [12:19] <Six> Ms2ger: ok thanks but what is the behaviour expected in the second case?
1596. # [12:20] <Ms2ger> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/11339110/what-is-the-difference-between-and-in-kernel-makefiles
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1599. # [12:21] <Six> Ms2ger: great thank you very much :)
1600. # [12:21] <Ms2ger> Np
1601. # [12:22] <Six> Ms2ger: so effectively assigning it with a const value won't change anything
1602. # [12:22] <Ms2ger> Yep
1603. # [12:23] <nrc> Tomcat: belated pong
1604. # [12:23] <Tomcat> nrc: oh was about the orange on inbound but your backout fixed the problem, thanks!
1605. # [12:24] <Ms2ger> Who knows about realloc?
1606. # [12:24] <nrc> ah ok, cool. np
1607. # [12:24] <Ms2ger> Let's say realloc returns null
1608. # [12:25] <Ms2ger> What happened to the original argument?
1609. # [12:25] <jfkthame> it's untouched, i believe
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1615. # [12:30] <NeilAway> Gijs: flow doesn't make sense in a xul document, what are you really trying to achieve?
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1617. # [12:32] <mjrosenb|ARM> can dxr give the name of a function where a symbol is used?
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1620. # [12:33] <Gijs> NeilAway: so you know about drawing tabs in titlebar and how we have a titlebar node that we set negative margins to so the actual window content still starts at the top, but the titlebar is painted underneath the other content?
1621. # [12:33] <Gijs> We dynamically set those margins
1622. # [12:34] <Gijs> that causes reflows
1623. # [12:34] <Gijs> that takes time, and tpaint/ts_paint are sad.
1624. # [12:34] <Gijs> because beforehand, the titlebar element does have a height, and pushes down content
1625. # [12:35] <Gijs> I'm trying to make it so that titlebar, even beforehand, doesn't have a height and doesn't push down content, so then ideally the resulting reflow is a lot cheaper
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1628. # [12:35] <NeilAway> Gijs: when in fact what you want to do is to stack the content over the titlebar?
1629. # [12:35] <Gijs> NeilAway: this isn't new; it's how the code currently works.
1630. # [12:35] <Gijs> and has since Fx4 or thereabouts.
1631. # [12:35] <NeilAway> Gijs: sure, but that doesn't make it right
1632. # [12:36] <Gijs> well, that depends.
1633. # [12:36] <Gijs> What would you suggest?
1634. # [12:36] <Gijs> I suspect using a stack will have occurred to whoever was doing this, and wasn't practical for performance or other reasons.
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1637. # [12:38] <NeilAway> and yet negative margins are apparently impractical for performance or other reasons
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1646. # [12:46] <Gijs> NeilAway: well, the fact that the titlebar takes up height before we set them, and then doesn't, I suspect makes the reflow more expensive.
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1648. # [12:46] <Gijs> NeilAway: I'm happy to hear suggestions, but so far you've mostly told me "you're wrong" :)
1649. # [12:47] <Gijs> Even if we used a stack, we'd need to adjust toolbar margins heights afterwards, and might still cause reflows.
1650. # [12:47] <Gijs> s/might still//, really.
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1654. # [12:49] <avih> if i landed something which in retrospective should be changed in a minor way, should i backout the old patch and land a new one, or just add a "part 2" patch and land it as well? (after reopening the bug, of course)
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1657. # [12:52] <NeilAway> Gijs: you haven't described the problem well enough to explain why you still need to adjust margins...
1658. # [12:53] <Gijs> NeilAway: the drawing of the titlebar needs to match the height of a menubar (might be hidden) and tabs toolbar
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1660. # [12:54] <Gijs> So whichever of the two is smaller gets resized using padding or margins (on child nodes) to make them of equal height.
1661. # [12:54] <Gijs> NeilAway: the drawing of the titlebar and its constituent parts (caption buttons, fullscreen button on mac) is done by widget code, and widget code determines their size based on OS etc.
1662. # [12:56] * mattwoodrow|away is now known as mattwoodrow
1663. # [12:56] <tbsaunde> NeilAway: where you trying to say that string onstructor would be a bad idea or what?
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1665. # [12:58] <NeilAway> tbsaunde: well, I was hoping you could pass it where the function wanted a const nsACString&
1666. # [12:59] <NeilAway> tbsaunde: bonus points for adding a nullptr constructor that gives you a void string ;-)
1667. # [13:00] <tbsaunde> NeilAway: yeah, I'm guessing that will be to many convertions for it to work to pass "blah' as a string
1668. # [13:03] <Ms2ger> NeilAway, I dunno if that's something I'd want ;)
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1670. # [13:03] <tbsaunde> Ms2ger: why?
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1672. # [13:04] <Ms2ger> Just a gut feeling, nothing to back it up with
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1674. # [13:04] <tbsaunde> I can sort of see an argument its creapy, but really I'm not sure what harm it could do
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1681. # [13:10] <sasklacz> Can anyone see anything in this traceback : https://gist.github.com/siemiatj/6112631 that can cause the mozilla-cental build to fail silently ? It just doesn't create anything.
1682. # [13:11] <NeilAway> tbsaunde: a basic test suggests that the compiler will convert "foo" to NS_LITERAL_CSTRING("foo") using that constructor when passed as an argument wanting a const nsCString&
1683. # [13:11] <Ms2ger> sasklacz, looks like your build finished successfully
1684. # [13:11] <NeilAway> Gijs: when the titlebar is taller than the menubar/toolbar, where does the extra space go?
1685. # [13:12] <NeilAway> well, belong
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1687. # [13:12] <sasklacz> but it lasted like 15 minutes and from what I understand, it should create new folder under 'MOZBUILD_STATE_PATH'. Or does it build to mozilla-central folder ?
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1689. # [13:13] <Ms2ger> sasklacz, try ./mach run
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1691. # [13:13] <Ms2ger> msucan, so I tried to reproduce bug 900444, but it's speeding up every time I run it :/
1692. # [13:14] <msucan> Ms2ger: did you also take a look at the related bug?
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1694. # [13:15] <msucan> thanks for testing, btw
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1697. # [13:18] <Gijs> NeilAway: menubar gets bottom padding.
1698. # [13:19] <Gijs> NeilAway: note that that's not visible; the menubar-items, which make up the actual menubar contents, are the ones with any background color styling etc.
1699. # [13:19] <Gijs> (well, the extra space, I guess, is visible, but it is transparent)
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1701. # [13:19] <msucan> Ms2ger: do mochitest/mach ever download anything?
1702. # [13:19] <Gijs> NeilAway: the only time that really happens, though, is if the user is using an unusually large font size on Windows.
1703. # [13:19] <msucan> Ms2ger: maybe it always downloads mozbase
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1705. # [13:21] <tbsaunde> NeilAway: oh, that's nice!
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1707. # [13:23] <Ms2ger> msucan, no, that shouldn't happen
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1709. # [13:24] <darktrojan> Unfocused, has the rum worn off?
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1711. # [13:24] <Unfocused> sadly yes, mostly
1712. # [13:24] <Unfocused> obviously i should have drunk more
1713. # [13:24] <darktrojan> clearly
1714. # [13:24] <darktrojan> get to it
1715. # [13:25] <Unfocused> meh, lazy
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1718. # [13:25] <darktrojan> I've just posted my fix to this xbl mess for your rs+
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1721. # [13:25] <darktrojan> fairly certain it's going to pass, once try finally finishes
1722. # [13:26] <darktrojan> (even I can now build and get results faster than try, woo!)
1723. # [13:27] <Unfocused> heh
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1725. # [13:29] <Unfocused> sooo.... any idea *why* that the placement of importNode matters?
1726. # [13:29] * mgerva|afk is now known as mgerva
1727. # [13:30] <darktrojan> no, but it seems to remember that the settings once had text node descendants, and therefore won't add anonymous content, even if the text nodes are gone
1728. # [13:30] <darktrojan> go figure
1729. # [13:31] <Unfocused> huh
1730. # [13:31] <Unfocused> r+
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1732. # [13:31] <darktrojan> \o/
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1735. # [13:34] <@ted> is libreoffice seriously still using tinderbox
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1737. # [13:34] <@ted> http://tinderbox.libreoffice.org/MASTER/status.html
1738. # [13:36] <Tomcat> ted: seems so
1739. # [13:36] <Tomcat> maybe i should ask florian (their Chairman) at some time :)
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1741. # [13:37] <@roc> egad
1742. # [13:38] <@ted> saw a screenshot of that in these PDF slides that glandium linked from that dev.platform thread on modern C++
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1747. # [13:41] <@ted> jlebar|away: libreoffice does have a git repo of binary linux builds for bisecting
1748. # [13:41] <@ted> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/HowToBibisect
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1754. # [13:44] <@ted> also, this is neat: http://zsync.moria.org.uk/
1755. # [13:44] <@ted> rsync over http, where the server is just stock http
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1758. # [13:45] <@ted> (well, stock http but you provide a metadata file)
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1763. # [13:54] <darktrojan> woohoo
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1765. # [13:54] <darktrojan> successfully cut over 90% of my update tree -> usable build time
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1768. # [13:55] <NeilAway> Gijs: so, on the face of it, http://xml.pastebin.mozilla.org/2757960 would appear to be along the lines of what you want
1769. # [13:55] <@ted> darktrojan: what'd you do?
1770. # [13:55] <darktrojan> skipped that useless 'compiling' step
1771. # [13:55] <@ted> hah
1772. # [13:55] * darktrojan cares not for C++
1773. # [13:55] <NeilAway> darktrojan: ooh, text nodes, that would muck things up
1774. # [13:56] <darktrojan> text nodes suck!
1775. # [13:56] <NeilAway> darktrojan: xbl2 will fix that
1776. # [13:56] <darktrojan> but what gets me is memory-of-text-node
1777. # [13:57] <Gijs> NeilAway: interesting. I don't think moving the toolbars out of the main window deck is possible, because then we get in trouble with e.g. panorama.
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1780. # [13:57] <Gijs> Likewize, moving them inside would mean no titlebar rendering for panorama.
1781. # [13:57] <Gijs> *likewise, even
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1783. # [13:57] <darktrojan> you americaned likewise
1784. # [13:58] <NeilAway> Gijs: I guess you just have some really weird UI :-P
1785. # [13:58] <Gijs> I just suck at spelling when I'm only half paying attention.
1786. # [13:58] <Gijs> NeilAway: well, and that's not the worst, because those are only some of the toolbars in the toolbox, and the other toolbars shouldn't be involved in this
1787. # [13:58] <Gijs> splitting things to be half inside, half outside the toolbox is also not trivial at all.
1788. # [13:58] <Gijs> Sadfaces all around? :)
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1794. # [14:02] <Six> dholbert: : ping
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1803. # [14:08] <darktrojan> edmorley, are you here?
1804. # [14:09] <edmorley> darktrojan: yup
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1806. # [14:09] <darktrojan> this seems like something someone should be told about https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=26019071&tree=Fx-Team#error1
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1811. # [14:10] <edmorley> darktrojan: thank you; yeah that slave has been disabled in the last hour https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=853255#c7
1812. # [14:10] <darktrojan> ok
1813. # [14:10] <edmorley> for misbehaving :-)
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1815. # [14:14] <msucan> is there a place where we can find one year old mozilla-inbound builds?
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1817. # [14:15] <Gijs> msucan: I don't think so...
1818. # [14:16] <Gijs> one year old m-c nightlies, yes, but not m-i / per-changeset-builds
1819. # [14:16] <msucan> Gijs: someone from QA asked me for such builds, for regression testing
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1821. # [14:17] <Gijs> Why does our build system suck so much? I'm running ./mach run -p foo, and check chrome://browser/content/browser.js, and it's correct. Then I run ./mach package, move the zip to another machine, and run the result, and chrome://browser/content/browser.js is different from the one I see when running locally.
1822. # [14:17] <Gijs> (Windows)
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1826. # [14:19] <Gijs> msucan: I think they'd need to build locally if they wanted more resolution than nightlies offer. The nightlies are around, so that gets you down to a single day's regression.
1827. # [14:19] <msucan> yes, she found the day, but it includes many changes from different branches
1828. # [14:19] <msucan> not too useful
1829. # [14:20] <Tomcat> edmorley: yeah that slave fails in a lot of cases :)
1830. # [14:20] <Tomcat> there should be text templates so i don't have to input the stuff manually ;)
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1834. # [14:22] <darktrojan> Tomcat, have you been away and come back lately, or did I just not notice you around until recently?
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1836. # [14:23] * darktrojan is so up with the play on who comes and goes
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1838. # [14:23] <Tomcat> darktrojan: you mean nickwise or so :)
1839. # [14:23] <Ms2ger> darktrojan, we hired him ;)
1840. # [14:23] <edmorley> Tomcat: there is if you go via the slave health page
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1842. # [14:24] <edmorley> Tomcat: linked bottom left of the TBPL UI, where it says the slave name, then click the bug icon top left of subsequent page
1843. # [14:24] <Tomcat> darktrojan: oh around in the community since 10 years or so and 6 years employed but mostly in QA and partnerbuild /b2b stuff and now since 2 months or also code sherrif
1844. # [14:25] <darktrojan> so you're in #developers more than you used to be?
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1847. # [14:26] <Tomcat> darktrojan: yeah
1848. # [14:27] <darktrojan> that explains it
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1850. # [14:27] <Tomcat> darktrojan: yeah and learning all the magic spells from edmorley ;)
1851. # [14:27] <darktrojan> hah
1852. # [14:28] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/59f13ddeb055 - Jim Mathies - Bug 899027 - Fixes for various errors in FormHelper while running the tests in bug 891688. r=rsilveira
1853. # [14:28] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/33b2ed1859e3 - Jim Mathies - Bug 891688 - Fix for caret selection not always appearing in subframes. r=mbrubeck
1854. # [14:28] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/0ef8b0214e7e - Jim Mathies - Bug 898457 - Don't display a horizontal scrollbar in flyout panels. r=tabraldes
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1856. # [14:29] <d0kt0r1> hey guys,
1857. # [14:29] <d0kt0r1> I am trying to fix a bug for b2g, the problem is that I cannot find the file 'dom/src/storage/nsDOMStorage.cpp' using the mozilla-central for development
1858. # [14:29] <d0kt0r1> do I have to use some other branch for b2g development?
1859. # [14:29] <d0kt0r1> Or maybe I am missing something big as I am really new to this
1860. # [14:29] <d0kt0r1> cheers
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1865. # [14:32] <Tomcat> d0kt0r1: there is https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/b2g-inbound/
1866. # [14:32] <Tomcat> there is at least the file you search
1867. # [14:32] <Tomcat> https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/b2g-inbound/file/8a4c07bae3e8/dom/src/storage
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1869. # [14:32] <Tomcat> erm not really
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1871. # [14:33] <d0kt0r1> actually i crawled MCR and I found that it was present at Mozilla B2G18
1872. # [14:33] <cptanu> Hai
1873. # [14:33] <Tomcat> ah ok
1874. # [14:34] <d0kt0r1> what i cannot find is the mapping of this one to a mercurial branch
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1879. # [14:35] <Tomcat> d0kt0r1: that one http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-b2g18/ ?
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1882. # [14:36] <NeilAway> Gijs: indeed :-(
1883. # [14:37] <d0kt0r1> Tomcat: yep, I guess thats the one :)
1884. # [14:37] <d0kt0r1> thanks
1885. # [14:37] <Tomcat> d0kt0r1: no problem
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1888. # [14:39] <cptanu> When I started building I faced some problems. This is the link where I have pasted the errors: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/2758098
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1906. # [14:49] <Bas> Tomcat: How may I help you? :)
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1909. # [14:50] <Tomcat> Bas: oh already fixed :)
1910. # [14:50] <Tomcat> but thanks :)
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1914. # [14:54] <mjrosenb|ARM> can we outsource bugzilla search to google?
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1916. # [14:54] <mjrosenb|ARM> I can't think of the last time I actually found what I was looking for through a bugzilla search.
1917. # [14:54] <Bas> mjrosenb|ARM: Seems to work fine for me :p
1918. # [14:54] <Gijs> mjrosenb|ARM: do you use quicksearch with keywords for fields?
1919. # [14:55] <Tomcat> there is https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/query.cgi?format=google :)
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1922. # [14:56] <mjrosenb|ARM> Gijs: what do you mean by 'keywords for fields'?
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1925. # [14:56] <Gijs> I mean you quicksearch for e.g. "comp:Debugger blackbox"
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1927. # [14:57] <Gijs> where "comp:Debugger" restricts the search to a component that contains "Debugger"
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1929. # [14:58] <mjrosenb|ARM> Gijs: ahh, normally my issue is too few results, not too many
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1931. # [14:58] <mjrosenb|ARM> Gijs: although, searching for closed bugs as well as open ones may be useful.
1932. # [14:59] <Gijs> put "ALL" in front of the query.
1933. # [14:59] <Gijs> (sans quotes)
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1935. # [14:59] <Gijs> mjrosenb|ARM: you may want to look at beltzner's quicksearch tutorial
1936. # [14:59] <Gijs> or was it johnath?
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1938. # [14:59] <Gijs> I forget
1939. # [15:00] <Gijs> mjrosenb|ARM: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14W-XguG--U
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1943. # [15:05] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/33a9f192d945 - Jon Coppeard - Bug 898857 - Assertion failure: ins->mirRaw()->isAsmJSUDiv() || ins->mirRaw()->isAsmJSUMod(), at ion/arm/CodeGenerator-arm.cpp:1910 r=mjrosenb
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1946. # [15:08] <glandium> oh man, i'm past a thousand bug filed
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1950. # [15:09] <Gijs> glandium++ :)
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1962. # [15:16] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/a39a3d0d5ab2 - Armen Zambrano Gasparnian - Bug 900189 - Insert mozharness to the front of sys.path in talos's mach_command.py. NPOTB. DONTBUILD. r=gps
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1965. # [15:18] <Ms2ger> "Backed out changeset 197b12188f3a (bug 893973) for causing bug 9000007"
1966. # [15:18] <Ms2ger> What bug?
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1973. # [15:22] <JosiahOne> Wow, we're at over 9 million bugs... That's bad. ;)
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1975. # [15:23] <capella> mkay?
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1993. # [15:30] <Gijs> JosiahOne: 9 hundred thousand :)
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1996. # [15:31] <JosiahOne> Gijs: Well not according to what Ms2ger said. :) 9 hundred thousand's a little more reasonable.
1997. # [15:32] <Gijs> ah.
1998. # [15:32] <Gijs> Ms2ger: I think the person in question was just really happy to figure out bug 900007 :)
1999. # [15:32] <Ms2ger> Likely
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2002. # [15:34] <edmorley> anyone else having connectivity issues to tbpl/zimbra
2003. # [15:34] <edmorley> in last few mins (seems to have recovered slightly in last 30s
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2008. # [15:37] <edmorley> bah spoke too soon, not recovered
2009. # [15:38] <RattyAway> gps: I've been running these sort of tests on my local build system but recently every thing I run fails
2010. # [15:38] <RattyAway> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/2758428
2011. # [15:38] <RattyAway> Here's my mozconfig: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/2758440
2012. # [15:38] <RattyAway> (every test I run fails)
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2018. # [15:41] <RattyAway> FYI: my mozconfig is perfectly fine when I build SeaMonkey
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2036. # [15:47] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/0c63bb80010c - Marty Rosenberg - Bug 900487: Fix bailoutIf to be complaint with parallel js. (r=shu)
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2041. # [15:47] <edmorley> is tbpl ridiculously slow for anyone else?
2042. # [15:48] * edmorley is starting to get annoyed with bug 897903
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2047. # [15:49] <Tomcat> edmorley: yeah sucks
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2050. # [15:50] <edmorley> it's not even close to usable for me right now, will be closing the tree soon if this persists
2051. # [15:51] <Tomcat> yeah it keeps loading and loading and loading
2052. # [15:51] <Tomcat> it started about an hour ago to slow down
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2054. # [15:52] <glandium> edmorley: works great for me
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2057. # [15:52] <Tomcat> edmorley: and 14726ms] ...i have values over 16000ms here
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2059. # [15:53] <glandium> Tomcat: where do you see that?
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2063. # [15:53] <Tomcat> glandium: oh in the webconsole in the nightly
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2065. # [15:54] <Tomcat> glandium: [15:54:24.314] GET https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getRevisionBuilds.php?branch=mozilla-inbound&rev=58860f0260d6&_=1375365264190 [HTTP/1.1 200 OK 16562ms]
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2067. # [15:55] <glandium> ah yeah, i see the same kind of timings
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2069. # [15:55] <glandium> interestingly, it doesn't really feel slower than usual
2070. # [15:55] <glandium> but then, i've been used to it being usually slow
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2072. # [15:56] <Tomcat> maybe its location wise, edmorley and i are in europe
2073. # [15:56] <Tomcat> last time fox2mike couldn't reproduce the problem
2074. # [15:56] <Tomcat> i see it even on aurora now
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2078. # [15:57] <Six> smaug: ping
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2111. # [16:16] <Pike> 2800+ bugs filed here.
2112. # [16:16] <@smaug> Six: pong
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2116. # [16:18] <Ms2ger> # static_assert.sh
2117. # [16:18] <Ms2ger> #!/bin/bash
2118. # [16:18] <Ms2ger> # Command to convert an NSPR integer type to the equivalent standard integer type
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2140. # [16:29] <Six> smaug: hi, about bug 900274 fail_on_warning you just reviewed, should i give a tbpl or checkin-needed will be ok?
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2174. # [16:45] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/8103ed66ceef - Masatoshi Kimura - Bug 673919 - Remove routeEvent, enableExternalCapture and disableExternalCapture. r=smaug
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2192. # [16:58] <@ehsan> so, how come my bugmails change their font size every few days?
2193. # [16:59] <@ehsan> glob: ^
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2195. # [16:59] <glob> ehsan, i hate gmail
2196. # [16:59] <@ehsan> glob: good, cause I use thunderbird ;)
2197. # [16:59] <glob> ehsan, trying to fix the font size there, causing pain for real clients
2198. # [16:59] <@ehsan> oh I see
2199. # [16:59] <glob> ehsan, (in a meeting, should be listening)
2200. # [17:00] <@ehsan> glob: fwiw it seems to be fine now, but it uses to be annoyingly huge before
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2205. # [17:02] <tbsaunde> glandium: fwiw git clone --shared looks a lot like git-new-workdir
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2213. # [17:06] <edmorley1> Tomcat|afk, KWierso|Home: think we have pgo-only talos bustage on inbound
2214. # [17:06] <edmorley1> yey
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2219. # [17:08] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/fc6a6ed70338 - Alexander Surkov - Bug 894573 - ARIA state mapping should treat undefined value same way if value was missed, r=tbsaunde
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2240. # [17:21] <mhoye> Do we have a standard set of return codes?
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2243. # [17:21] <jcranmer> you mean for nsresult?
2244. # [17:21] <nalexander> edmorley: can you point me at the TBPL build that generates Android l10n Aurora binaries?
2245. # [17:22] <nalexander> edmorley: whatever populates http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/mobile/nightly/latest-mozilla-aurora-android-l10n/
2246. # [17:22] <mhoye> Well, this thing I'm writing is python, I just want to know if "exit(-1)" means something here already.
2247. # [17:22] <jcranmer> oh
2248. # [17:22] <jcranmer> that, I don't know
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2259. # [17:26] <Yoric> mmmh...
2260. # [17:26] <Ms2ger> mhoye, not as far as I know
2261. # [17:26] <Yoric> hg pull -u from this public wifi is not overly fast
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2265. # [17:29] <tbsaunde> s/from this public wifi//
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2275. # [17:32] <edmorley> nalexander: the l10n builds don't appear on tbpl since they're set up weirdly iirc
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2278. # [17:32] <@smaug> Six: please push to try
2279. # [17:32] <nalexander> edmorley: thanks for verification. Is there anything I should know about
2280. # [17:32] <edmorley> nalexander: specifically?
2281. # [17:33] <edmorley> :-)
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2283. # [17:33] <nalexander> edmorley: I was suggesting an l10n-impacting bug get uplifted to Aurora so we're not confused in X weeks when aurora l10n break.s
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2285. # [17:33] <nalexander> edmorley: it's really a very small bug, but I don't understand what (if any) differences there are in Aurora l10n packing.
2286. # [17:34] <nalexander> edmorley: so being cautioujs.
2287. # [17:34] <mhoye> Ms2ger: OK, thanks.
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2289. # [17:34] <edmorley> nalexander: I don't know myself, maybe ask one of the build peers or pike?
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2292. # [17:34] <nalexander> edmorley: will do.
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2296. # [17:35] <Pike> nalexander: bug number?
2297. # [17:35] <glob> ehsan, sorry about the size stuff .. the current size in not-gmail is the correct one
2298. # [17:35] <Pike> also, there's no build reporting on l10n builds beyond the log files on ftp
2299. # [17:35] <glob> ehsan, the reason for the activity is we'll be making html the default format, and need to get it working with gmail before that
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2303. # [17:37] <nalexander> Pike: 08:23 firebot: Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=748470 nor, --, ---, joey, REOP, mobile/android/base: dependency builds
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2305. # [17:38] <nalexander> Pike: it's a very small change to Android l10n dep builds, but I don't understand what the differences are between l10n on Nightly and on Aurora.
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2307. # [17:38] <nalexander> Pike: and I can't find tbpl Aurora l10n jobs to investigate.
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2309. # [17:38] <nalexander> Pike: so I was being defensive about requesting early uplift to see if this patch causes problems, so we can fix aggressively while we still have context.
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2320. # [17:40] <Pike> why uplift to begin with? Also, the aurora builds shouldn't be different to the nightly builds. Beta builds might
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2325. # [17:42] <nalexander> Pike: fair enough.
2326. # [17:44] <Pike> nalexander: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Mobile/Fennec/Android#Multilocale_builds is closest to what releng does, I think. you also want to make sure you're not breaking single-locale builds
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2398. # [18:08] <Six> dholbert: ping
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2407. # [18:12] <rafadaguiar> Hi, I'm getting some trouble to build firefox. Can anyone help me?
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2409. # [18:13] <@smaug> rafadaguiar: you have followed all the instructions ?
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2411. # [18:14] <@smaug> https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Developer_Guide/Build_Instructions
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2414. # [18:14] <rafadaguiar> yes smaug;
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2419. # [18:14] <rafadaguiar> I'm getting this error:
2420. # [18:14] <rafadaguiar> make: *** ../../nsprpub: No such file or directory. Stop.
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2422. # [18:15] <@khuey> sounds like configure didn't run properly
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2425. # [18:17] <rafadaguiar> any suggestions?
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2428. # [18:17] <Ms2ger> rafadaguiar, ./mach configure
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2443. # [18:23] <@bz> Any build system peers around?
2444. # [18:23] <@bz> gps: ping
2445. # [18:24] <Six> smaug: i'm back sorry i had network issues at work
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2451. # [18:25] * @khuey is going to regret this
2452. # [18:25] <@khuey> bz: hi
2453. # [18:26] * Six wants to see khuey's request :p
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2456. # [18:26] <@bz> khuey: so if I do these steps to reproduce:
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2458. # [18:27] <@bz> make -C ../obj-firefox/content/base/src/
2459. # [18:27] <@bz> touch dom/promise/Makefile.in
2460. # [18:27] <@bz> make -C ../obj-firefox/content/base/src/
2461. # [18:27] <@bz> khuey: I see all the .cpp rebuild after the third command
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2464. # [18:27] <@bz> khuey: and in general, if I touch any Makefile.in that I've tried so far and then make in any dir it looks like GLOBAL_DEPS has changed or something (?)
2465. # [18:27] <@bz> khuey: this seems ... unexpected
2466. # [18:28] <@bz> khuey: (granted, ccache is mostly saving me, but still)
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2471. # [18:28] <@khuey> bz: there's a bug
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2473. # [18:28] * @khuey looks
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2476. # [18:29] <@khuey> bz: 877308
2477. # [18:29] <@bz> khuey: Thnks
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2480. # [18:30] <@khuey> bz: please badger gps until he fixes it ;-)
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2487. # [18:32] <marco> khuey: I've a patch for files drag&drop support on mac, it's a Core:Widget:Cocoa patch, can you review it?
2488. # [18:32] <@khuey> marco: I saw the feedback request
2489. # [18:32] <@khuey> I can give feedback but I can't r+ it
2490. # [18:32] <@khuey> I'm not a peer
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2493. # [18:33] <@bz> khuey: man
2494. # [18:33] <marco> khuey: ok, I was wondering if you was a peer
2495. # [18:33] <marco> khuey: thank you
2496. # [18:34] <@bz> khuey: I don't understand
2497. # [18:34] <@bz> khuey: we have one single file that all makefiles depend on? :(
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2499. # [18:34] <froydnj> bz: yup!
2500. # [18:34] <@khuey> bz: what could possibly go wrong
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2503. # [18:35] <@bz> how about "any attempt by developers to do effing incremental builds"?
2504. # [18:35] <@bz> I mean....
2505. # [18:35] <@bz> Does this only affect make -C and not toplevel builds?
2506. # [18:35] <@bz> I guess it might
2507. # [18:35] <@bz> Which makes it just super-annoying, not quite a blocker....
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2524. # [18:42] <gps> RattyAway: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/2758428 indicates your mozconfig is exiting with a non-0 code. your mozconfig is bad. some parts of the build system may not honor the exit code
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2526. # [18:43] <Ms2ger> gps, but there's nothing obviously wrong with his mozconfig
2527. # [18:43] <Ms2ger> (http://pastebin.mozilla.org/2758440)
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2529. # [18:45] <gps> Ms2ger: there must be more to it
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2532. # [18:47] <@smaug> gavin: ping
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2534. # [18:47] <@smaug> or ttaubert
2535. # [18:47] <gps> RattyAway: python/mozbuild/mozbuild/mozconfig.py:read_mozconfig() contains the code for running the mozconfig. you can print out raw results, etc to see what fails
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2551. # [18:58] <RyanVM> RattyAway: Windows line endings maybe?
2552. # [18:58] <RyanVM> i know that's busted me badly before
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2570. # [19:02] <@khuey> ehsan: ping?
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2572. # [19:03] <@ehsan> khuey: hi
2573. # [19:03] <@khuey> ehsan: hey
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2577. # [19:03] <@khuey> ehsan: I've got an already_AddRefed safety question and you seem like a good person to direct it to
2578. # [19:03] <@ehsan> sure
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2580. # [19:03] <@khuey> so if I have
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2582. # [19:04] <@khuey> interface nsIFoo : nsIsupports
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2585. # [19:04] <@khuey> and a GetSomethingThatMightBeAFoo(nsISupports**)
2586. # [19:04] <@khuey> should
2587. # [19:04] <@khuey> nsCOMPtr<nsIFoo> foo;
2588. # [19:04] <@khuey> GetSomethingthatMightBeAFoo(getter_AddRefs(foo)); compile?
2589. # [19:04] <@ehsan> no
2590. # [19:04] <@ehsan> wekk
2591. # [19:04] * @khuey guesses this is a getter_AddRefs question, not an already_AddRefed question
2592. # [19:04] <@ehsan> *well
2593. # [19:04] <@khuey> ehsan: it appears it does :-(
2594. # [19:05] <@ehsan> give me a sec
2595. # [19:05] <@ehsan> we might have code to make this work specifically
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2598. # [19:05] <Ms2ger> Yeah, we do
2599. # [19:05] <@ehsan> ok
2600. # [19:05] <Ms2ger> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/xpcom/glue/nsCOMPtr.h#1332
2601. # [19:05] <@khuey> why do we have code to make this work?
2602. # [19:06] <Ms2ger> Probably QI
2603. # [19:06] <@ehsan> no that's not it
2604. # [19:06] <@ehsan> its http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/xpcom/glue/nsCOMPtr.h#1337
2605. # [19:06] <Ms2ger> Yeah, well, around there
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2608. # [19:07] <@ehsan> so
2609. # [19:07] <@ehsan> this is wrong, I think
2610. # [19:07] <@ehsan> here's why
2611. # [19:07] <@khuey> yeah
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2613. # [19:07] <@khuey> seems footgunish
2614. # [19:07] <@ehsan> nsCOMPtr<nsIFoo> foo = GetFoo();
2615. # [19:08] <@ehsan> nsCOMPtr<nsISupports> sup1 = do_QueryInterface(foo);
2616. # [19:08] <@ehsan> nsISupports* sup2 = foo.get();
2617. # [19:08] <@ehsan> sup1 and sup2 will not necessarily be the same
2618. # [19:08] <@khuey> right
2619. # [19:08] <@ehsan> khuey: so please make that not compile!
2620. # [19:08] * jhopkins|afk is now known as jhopkins|buildduty
2621. # [19:08] <@ehsan> cause it sure is doing the wrong thing
2622. # [19:09] <@khuey> ehsan: how do you propose I make it not compile?
2623. # [19:09] <tbsaunde> doesn't getter_addrefs have a operator nsISupports** we want to kill?
2624. # [19:09] <@ehsan> khuey: by removing that implicit conversion operator
2625. # [19:09] <@ehsan> (and maybe the void** one as well)
2626. # [19:10] <@ehsan> and then fix all the callers ;)
2627. # [19:10] <@khuey> ehsan: mmm, fun
2628. # [19:10] <@ehsan> not sure how many callers there are
2629. # [19:10] <@ehsan> hopefully none!
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2631. # [19:10] <@khuey> there's at least one
2632. # [19:10] <@ehsan> ok, hopefully one then
2633. # [19:10] <@khuey> caused I asked in a review "how does this compile" and got the answer "I copied it from here"
2634. # [19:10] <@ehsan> :(
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2636. # [19:11] <@khuey> ehsan: I'll kick off a build later and see what breaks
2637. # [19:11] <@ehsan> khuey: thanks so much!
2638. # [19:11] <@ehsan> is there a bug on file for this?
2639. # [19:11] <@khuey> not yet
2640. # [19:11] <@khuey> I'll file
2641. # [19:12] <@ehsan> please CC me
2642. # [19:12] <@ehsan> or put it in XPCOM
2643. # [19:12] <@ehsan> which will result in the same thing for me!
2644. # [19:12] * geekboy is now known as geekboy|afk
2645. # [19:12] <@khuey> heh
2646. # [19:12] * @khuey will do both
2647. # [19:12] <@khuey> to be extra sure
2648. # [19:12] <@ehsan> cool
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2650. # [19:13] <Mook_as> interesting. the commit message basically says "yeah, this isn't normal nsISupports, it's more of a nsISomething"
2651. # [19:13] <Mook_as> (r1.54 in cvs)
2652. # [19:13] <Mook_as> ah, http://bonsai.mozilla.org/cvslog.cgi?file=mozilla/xpcom/glue/nsCOMPtr.h&rev=1.54 is a more useful link.
2653. # [19:14] <@ehsan> Mook_as: let me blame this for reals
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2658. # [19:16] <@ehsan> Mook_as: khuey: https://github.com/mozilla/mozilla-central/commit/50bb3ffae52ec27f90b88f08b693829ae4de3011
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2661. # [19:16] <Mook_as> ... yes, that was the commit I was referring to
2662. # [19:16] <@ehsan> what a delightful patch
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2665. # [19:17] <joe> gps: do you usually see (working directory not at a head) with your unified clone?
2666. # [19:17] <joe> i'm on central/default
2667. # [19:18] * froydnj misses the tree status bot
2668. # [19:18] <jesup> ehsan: A fresh patch, still with the new-car smell after only 14 years
2669. # [19:19] <@gavin> smaug: pong
2670. # [19:19] <@ehsan> heh
2671. # [19:19] <gps> joe: yes
2672. # [19:19] <joe> gps: ok cool
2673. # [19:19] <gps> i'm not sure how to suppress that
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2675. # [19:20] <joe> it's just because default is not tip, i guess
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2677. # [19:20] <gps> the problem is that if you pull e.g. inbound, it adds changesets that are descendants of central. so when you update to central, that's not a head because there are descendants
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2679. # [19:20] <gps> i need to get a bug component for that extension...
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2682. # [19:21] <mbrubeck> mercurial is weirdly obsessed with heads
2683. # [19:21] <mbrubeck> STOP STARING AT MY HEAD MERCURIAL
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2685. # [19:22] <RyanVM> froydnj: fx-team is open (*wink wink*)
2686. # [19:22] <jesup> ehsan: oooh, and scc as well
2687. # [19:22] <froydnj> RyanVM: ooo, you're gonna get people in trouble :)
2688. # [19:23] <RyanVM> froydnj: technically we are encouraging people to use it more
2689. # [19:23] <RyanVM> see the recent platform/fx-team meeting minutes
2690. # [19:23] * froydnj goes to look
2691. # [19:23] <RyanVM> froydnj: and arguably a lot of your work is perfectly suitable for landing there anyway
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2693. # [19:24] * froydnj doesn't really think of himself as an fx-team person, but then again, he doesn't know what the org chart really looks like anyway
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2695. # [19:25] <Ms2ger> froydnj, write a new tree status bot? :)
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2698. # [19:26] <froydnj> Ms2ger: |while true; ping Ms2ger; done|
2699. # [19:26] <@smaug> gavin: the same input element inside awesomebar is used for all the tabs, right?
2700. # [19:27] <froydnj> RyanVM: this is the bit you were referring to: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Platform/2013-07-30#Key_Issues ?
2701. # [19:27] * jhammel is now known as jhammel|afk
2702. # [19:27] <RyanVM> froydnj: yessir
2703. # [19:27] <RyanVM> and gavin's been encouraging his team to use it more
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2723. # [19:44] <RattyAway> gps: my mozconfig hasn't changed in ages
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2727. # [19:46] <gps> RattyAway: it's probably been silently busted for ages
2728. # [19:47] <RattyAway> $ python mozilla/python/mozbuild/mozbuild/mozconfig.py:read_mozconfig()
2729. # [19:47] <RattyAway> bash: syntax error near unexpected token `('
2730. # [19:47] <gps> that's not a valid bash command
2731. # [19:47] <RattyAway> gps: I'm not a python guy so help?
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2734. # [19:48] <Ms2ger> python mozilla/python/mozbuild/mozbuild/mozconfig.py
2735. # [19:48] <Ms2ger> ?
2736. # [19:48] <gps> RattyAway: open up that python file. insert |import pdb; pdb.set_trace()| in the read_mozconfig() method and get it to run
2737. # [19:48] <RattyAway> ok
2738. # [19:48] <gps> you'll get to an interactive debugger. press ? for help
2739. # [19:48] * mak|afk is now known as mak
2740. # [19:48] <gps> use "p" to print variables, etc
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2743. # [19:49] <gps> dump the output from processing. you'll likely find an error
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2745. # [19:49] <gps> you can also invoke the mozconfig_loader script in that directory to process your mozconfig
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2747. # [19:50] <gps> mozconfig_loader /path/to/topsrcdir /path/to/mozconfig
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2760. # [19:57] <RyanVM> RattyAway: line endings by chance?
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2763. # [19:57] * @ted should write a mercurial extension that pushes to whatever project branch is open
2764. # [19:57] <ckerschb> jduell: ping
2765. # [19:57] <@ted> hg whatever
2766. # [19:58] <gps> ted: I started implementing |hg land| in my mozext extension
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2769. # [19:58] <gps> if you push to inbound and you lost the push race, it automatically rebases and tries to push again
2770. # [19:58] <@ted> hg yolo
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2776. # [19:58] <froydnj> hg buygpsabeer
2777. # [19:58] <gps> since the extension integrates |hg treestatus|, it could probably check tree status before pushing
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2779. # [19:59] <gps> but the treestatus API isn't instantaneous, so this adds noticeable lag
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2781. # [19:59] <mihneadb> ted: ++ on hg yolo
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2783. # [19:59] <jduell> ckerschb: in a meeting
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2785. # [19:59] <jlebar|away> I'm going to guess that it's not OK to memmove a PLDHashTable?
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2790. # [19:59] <ckerschb> jduell: no problem, i ping you again in the afternoon
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2792. # [20:00] <RattyAway> gps: what does the following mean?
2793. # [20:00] <RattyAway> ac_add_options() {
2794. # [20:00] <Ms2ger> jlebar|away, only if you land with hg yolo
2795. # [20:00] <RattyAway> ^
2796. # [20:00] <RattyAway> SyntaxError: invalid syntax
2797. # [20:00] <RattyAway> ac_add_options --with-windows-version=601
2798. # [20:00] <jlebar|away> I've missed that meme somehow.
2799. # [20:01] <RattyAway> $ python mozilla/python/mozbuild/mozbuild/mozconfig_loader ./ ./mozconfig-py
2800. # [20:01] * jlebar|away is now known as jlebar
2801. # [20:01] <RattyAway> File "mozilla/python/mozbuild/mozbuild/mozconfig_loader", line 12
2802. # [20:01] <RattyAway> ac_add_options() {
2803. # [20:01] <RattyAway> ^
2804. # [20:01] <RattyAway> SyntaxError: invalid syntax
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2806. # [20:01] <gps> RattyAway: what is /bin/sh on your machine?
2807. # [20:02] <mbrubeck> "python mozilla/python/mozbuild/mozbuild/mozconfig_loader" is not the right way to run that, is it?
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2809. # [20:02] <RattyAway> gps: it's from mozillabuild latest
2810. # [20:02] <gps> mbrubeck: no. mozconfig_loader is a shell script
2811. # [20:02] <mbrubeck> It's a shell script, so you don't want the "python" in front
2812. # [20:02] <RattyAway> argh
2813. # [20:03] <Optimizer> did something land in last few days which will cause all the stylesheets from which a particular selector match to be in sorted order ?
2814. # [20:03] <Optimizer> instead of "whatever random" order it was previously
2815. # [20:04] <RattyAway> gps: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/2759740
2816. # [20:04] <Optimizer> so lets say I have a node for which 5 different css files have styles, I am talking about the preference order of these styles,
2817. # [20:05] <mbrubeck> oh look, tpaint is bimodal *and* aliased: http://graphs.mozilla.org/graph.html#tests=[[82,63,24]]&sel=none&displayrange=30&datatype=running
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2823. # [20:06] <NeilAway> ehsan: you need the void** one
2824. # [20:07] <@ehsan> why?
2825. # [20:07] <taras-pto> jduell_: that sounds like a really bad idea
2826. # [20:07] <NeilAway> ehsan: and last time I looked there were some places in the code that cheated, mainly enumerators
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2832. # [20:08] <@ehsan> NeilAway: at any rate you should tell this to khuey
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2834. # [20:09] <jduell_> taras-pto: who else did you want in that meeting?
2835. # [20:09] <mbrubeck> oh goody, jmaher may have fixed the aliasing already! :D
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2838. # [20:09] <NeilAway> ehsan: did he file that bug?
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2840. # [20:09] <@ehsan> not sure
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2843. # [20:10] <NeilAway> ehsan: anyway, the void** one is so that you can do stuff like get complex values from nsIPrefBranch
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2848. # [20:11] <jduell> taras-pto: ^^
2849. # [20:11] <taras-pto> jduell: aklotz
2850. # [20:12] <jduell> taras-pto: thanks. Also, this is bug 900255
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2852. # [20:12] <Optimizer> anyone .. ? (or I will have to run mozregression :( )
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2854. # [20:12] <@ehsan> NeilAway: dunno, still that seems like a bad idea
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2857. # [20:13] <tbsaunde> ehsan: complex values in the pref branch seem like a bad idea too :)
2858. # [20:13] <@ehsan> sure, different problem though
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2860. # [20:14] <taras-pto> jduell: oh, asm.js
2861. # [20:14] <taras-pto> this is different than what i was thinking
2862. # [20:14] <taras-pto> but we should still chat
2863. # [20:14] <tbsaunde> I think killing nsISupports** operator is more importnat, mostly because of fewer things that have void** outarg
2864. # [20:14] <taras-pto> i thought this was xdr
2865. # [20:14] <taras-pto> we should still benchmark asm.js
2866. # [20:14] <taras-pto> to see that isn't similarly bad to xdr
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2872. # [20:17] <gps> RattyAway: that log indicates that mozconfig_loader executed successfully!
2873. # [20:17] <gps> at least it appears to
2874. # [20:18] <gps> you should |echo $?|
2875. # [20:18] <RattyAway> gps: and I can build fine. It's just the tests that I can't run
2876. # [20:18] <gps> RattyAway: do you build with mach?
2877. # [20:18] <RattyAway> $ echo $?
2878. # [20:18] <RattyAway> 0
2879. # [20:18] <RattyAway> gps: no
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2883. # [20:19] <gps> RattyAway: if you bypass mach, the mozconfig_loader script may not get executed
2884. # [20:19] <RattyAway> $ MOZCONFIG=mozconfig-py pymake -f client.mk
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2887. # [20:19] <jduell> taras-pto: do you have the link to that talk? (what backchannel is this mtg using? :)
2888. # [20:19] <gps> the mochitest changes they made recently made the mozconfig loading code active for everyone, regardless of whether mach is used
2889. # [20:19] <RattyAway> gps what's the mach equivalent?
2890. # [20:20] <Ms2ger> ./mach build
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2892. # [20:21] <RattyAway> Ms2ger: how does not using mach to build cause tests to fail locally?
2893. # [20:21] <Ms2ger> <gps> the mochitest changes they made recently made the mozconfig loading code active for everyone, regardless of whether mach is used
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2895. # [20:21] <Ms2ger> I presume that's why
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2898. # [20:21] <RattyAway> ok thanks
2899. # [20:21] <gps> the mochitest changes introduced code that loads the mozconfig via Python
2900. # [20:22] <gps> before, it was going through a different code path to load the environment
2901. # [20:22] <RattyAway> hm I see
2902. # [20:22] <gps> it's kinda confusing
2903. # [20:22] <taras-pto> jduell: #perf
2904. # [20:22] <taras-pto> jduell: https://air.mozilla.org/2013-intern-paul
2905. # [20:22] <gps> there were pre-existing bugs causing mach to not work with some people. the mochitest changes effectively made everyone use the mach code path, thus breaking mochitests for people
2906. # [20:22] <jduell> taras-pto: thanks
2907. # [20:23] <RattyAway> gps: is there a bug # ?
2908. # [20:23] <gps> RattyAway: there were many bugs. they have all been mostly fixed. your issue of bad exit code is new
2909. # [20:24] <gps> RattyAway: please file it
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2912. # [20:25] <gps> RattyAway: try running |mach build| and see if you get the same error. I think you will
2913. # [20:25] <gps> you may even get a better stack trace
2914. # [20:25] <RattyAway> gps: I'll do it tomorrow
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2916. # [20:26] <RattyAway> hmm it's 02:30 here so it's already tomorrow :P
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2921. # [20:28] <RattyAway> gps: bash: mach: command not found
2922. # [20:28] <gps> https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Developer_Guide/mach#Adding_mach_to_your_shell%27s_search_path
2923. # [20:28] <mbrubeck> or "./mach"
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2927. # [20:29] <froydnj> mbrubeck: thanks for looking at that tpaint regression; that regression looked pretty bizarre paired with those patches
2928. # [20:29] <mbrubeck> :)
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2930. # [20:29] <tbsaunde> jrmuizel: did you add operator == for char* to nsString a while ago?
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2932. # [20:31] <mbrubeck> hrm, I think ts_paint is also bimodal on 10.6: http://graphs.mozilla.org/graph.html#tests=[[226,64,21]]&sel=none&displayrange=365&datatype=running
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2942. # [20:36] <RattyAway> gps: mach build works I'm now up to:
2943. # [20:36] <RattyAway> 1:22.33 Finished purging.
2944. # [20:36] <RattyAway> 1:24.67 export_tier_base
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2952. # [20:39] <RattyAway> gps: so looks like mach build is working fine.
2953. # [20:39] <RattyAway> gotta go time to zzzzz
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2957. # [20:40] <jrmuizel> tbsaunde: yes
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2962. # [20:44] <tbsaunde> jrmuizel: huh, somehow I wasn't seeing it, guess I'll just wait and see if my build isbusted
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2972. # [20:50] <NeilAway> ehsan: sorry, was afk - http://mxr.mozilla.org/comm-central/source/mozilla/netwerk/dns/nsIDNService.cpp#100 is an example, the method takes an IID by ref and a void** for the outparam
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3008. # [21:13] <stefanh> mikedeboer: re your patch in bug 870865, can you land it on m-c as well? I don't know how/when you plan to merge ux to m-c, but I think it would be better to just land it on m-c now
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3015. # [21:15] <Optimizer> in XUL, what gives the scrollHeight of the element ?
3016. # [21:16] <Optimizer> (for me panel.scrollHeight == panel.clientHeight)
3017. # [21:17] <Ms2ger> Oh, interesting, my trip to Paris coincides with the csswg meeting there
3018. # [21:18] <Optimizer> csswg ?
3019. # [21:18] <Optimizer> oh got it
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3021. # [21:18] <Optimizer> you are part of that ?
3022. # [21:18] <Ms2ger> No
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3030. # [21:30] <rail> froydnj: hey there. the gcc 4.7.3 package, do we need it available for all build types, such as asan, st-an, android, etc, or just linux{,64}-debug?
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3032. # [21:31] <tbsaunde> rail: everything that builds on linux please
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3035. # [21:31] <tbsaunde> well, maybe not the asan ones, but all the others
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3038. # [21:32] <rail> yeah, I know that asan uses clang, but I wasn't sure if gcc is till needed for that build
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3040. # [21:33] <tbsaunde> some bits of it are needed, but I'm not surewhy were upgrading so I'm not sure if changing what gcc is there matters
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3042. # [21:33] <tbsaunde> s/were/why/
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3048. # [21:39] <froydnj> tbsaunde: bug 900549 if you want to follow along
3049. # [21:40] <froydnj> tbsaunde: was going to test it to see if it made those compiler crashes go away
3050. # [21:40] <froydnj> rail: do we build our own gcc packages for android, or just use the ones straight from the ndk?
3051. # [21:41] <RyanVM> FWIW, I'll be reopening inbound soon
3052. # [21:41] <rail> froydnj: AFAIK, we use ndk
3053. # [21:42] <froydnj> hooray for an inbound open for 15 minutes
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3055. # [21:42] <rail> tbsaunde: do you want me to replace 4.7.2 with 4.7.3? I mean remove 4.7.2 from configs
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3057. # [21:43] <froydnj> rail: oh, ok. wasn't quite sure what you meant by building for android
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3060. # [21:44] <tbsaunde> rail: no, if you do that you'll break the tree
3061. # [21:44] <tbsaunde> rail: add a new package then we can change what the tree uses
3062. # [21:44] <rail> ok
3063. # [21:44] <rail> sure
3064. # [21:44] <Ms2ger> RyanVM, no merge to central soon, I guess?
3065. # [21:45] <tbsaunde> unless the new package installs to /tools/gcc4.7-0moz1/ which I assume it doesn't :)
3066. # [21:45] <RyanVM> Ms2ger: actually, yes
3067. # [21:45] <RyanVM> why not? :)
3068. # [21:45] <rail> tbsaunde: hehe, that would be mean!
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3070. # [21:45] <RyanVM> Ms2ger: I'm almost done getting inbound clean enough to open, then I'll reopen, finish the cleanup, then merge
3071. # [21:45] <Ms2ger> RyanVM, if you're just reopening, I didn't expect the dust to have settled completely :)
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3073. # [21:46] <RyanVM> nah, we're looking good
3074. # [21:46] <Ms2ger> RyanVM, want to ping me when you've merged?
3075. # [21:46] <RyanVM> sure
3076. # [21:46] <RyanVM> dare I ask
3077. # [21:46] <Ms2ger> Just a try push
3078. # [21:46] <RyanVM> oh, OK :)
3079. # [21:46] * RyanVM was afraid there was another Ms2ger dump coming to m-c
3080. # [21:46] <Ms2ger> But if I pick up the merge, less chance of breaking m-c when I dump tomorrow morning :)
3081. # [21:46] <RyanVM> gah
3082. # [21:47] <RyanVM> you're gonna love it if we manage to make m-c an approval-only repo
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3085. # [21:47] <Ms2ger> You don't say
3086. # [21:48] <RyanVM> Ms2ger: you'll have to push to inbound like some sort of commoner
3087. # [21:48] <Ms2ger> RyanVM, I dunno, I might hijack build-system
3088. # [21:48] <RyanVM> hahaha
3089. # [21:48] <RyanVM> win
3090. # [21:48] <RyanVM> s-c
3091. # [21:48] <Ms2ger> Ha
3092. # [21:48] <Ms2ger> Does that still exist?
3093. # [21:48] <RyanVM> USE IT OR LOSE IT
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3095. # [21:49] <RyanVM> indeed it does
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3099. # [21:49] <Ms2ger> RyanVM, how about a different tree every time I land? ;)
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3101. # [21:50] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/9d9856cf1648 - Jonathan Griffin - Bug 898074 - Open Marionette's port with a backlog of 0, r=dhylands, on a CLOSED TREE for possible orange fix
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3103. # [21:50] <RyanVM> keeping us on our toes, eh? :)
3104. # [21:50] <Ms2ger> Exactly :)
3105. # [21:50] <RyanVM> jgriffin: oh me oh my!
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3107. # [21:50] <jgriffin> heh
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3110. # [21:51] <RyanVM> fingers crossed
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3112. # [21:51] <Ms2ger> Why yes, a merge from Jamun
3113. # [21:51] <jgriffin> RyanVM: I know, mine too
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3117. # [21:53] <djvj> Bas: ping
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3126. # [22:01] <RyanVM> inbound = OPEN
3127. # [22:02] <RyanVM> thanks for waiting, everyone
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3130. # [22:03] <Bas> djvj: pong
3131. # [22:03] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/f3d9b60c056d - Nikhil Marathe - Bug 899904 - Include header for [NoInterfaceObject]s exposed on Navigator. r=khuey
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3133. # [22:04] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/ce80cccb2e62 - Nathan Froyd - Bug 900088 - remove unused <iostream> #include from DataChannel.cpp; r=jduell
3134. # [22:04] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/d1c59561ebdf - Nathan Froyd - Bug 900181 - remove unused <iostream> #include from PeerConnectionMedia.h; r=jesup
3135. # [22:04] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/35adf2bebf58 - Nathan Froyd - Bug 900047 - remove nsIOThreadPool code; r=jduell
3136. # [22:04] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/5329f984f949 - William Lachance - Bug 900629 - Mirror mozdevice 0.29;r=ahal
3137. # [22:04] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/acd3d7236e94 - Nathan Froyd - Bug 900090 - make various bits of nsEventStates constexpr to avoid static constructors; r=smaug
3138. # [22:05] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/3934bfa0985c - Nathan Froyd - Bug 900050 - remove dead prclist.h #include from nsSegmentedBuffer.h; r=ehsan
3139. # [22:05] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/42c35a94058b - Jonathan Wilde - Bug 899726 - Defect - during keyboard showing/hiding, sometimes hidden appbars show up. r=mbrubeck
3140. # [22:05] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/f4bb9ef3bf63 - Jonathan Wilde - Bug 892241 - Change - NewUI - Disable extraneous UI elements when on start screen. r=mbrubeck
3141. # [22:05] <spohl> does somebody know what happened to NS_IMPL_THREADSAFE_ISUPPORTS1, and what to use in its place..?
3142. # [22:05] <Ms2ger> spohl, replace the DECL_ISUPPORTS with a threadsafe variant
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3144. # [22:06] <Ms2ger> And then just NS_IMPL_ISUPPORTS1 in the cpp
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3146. # [22:06] <spohl> Ms2ger: thanks!
3147. # [22:06] <Ms2ger> Np
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3152. # [22:07] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/b6b697ead534 - Nikhil Marathe - Bug 898622 - Fix StructType errors and handling. r=nmatsakis
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3156. # [22:07] <spohl> Ms2ger: you wouldn't happen to know the bug number for this, would you?
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3159. # [22:08] <Ms2ger> spohl, maybe...
3160. # [22:08] <Ms2ger> jcranmer, ^
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3164. # [22:09] <jcranmer> spohl: see the thread "Changes to XPCOM refcounting" in m.d.platform
3165. # [22:09] <Ms2ger> spohl, found bug 884061
3166. # [22:10] <spohl> jcranmer, Ms2ger: thank you!
3167. # [22:10] <Ms2ger> Np
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3173. # [22:12] <nrc> where does the profile directory live on Linux?
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3176. # [22:12] <Ms2ger> ~/.mozilla/firefox?
3177. # [22:12] <KWierso|Home> nrc: ~/.mozilla/firefox, iirc
3178. # [22:12] <Ms2ger> Yeah
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3188. # [22:15] <nrc> thank you!
3189. # [22:15] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/e827cc07b006 - Luke Wagner - Bug 899832 - hoist JSScript::originPrincipals and LazyScript::originPrincipals into ScriptSource (r=bhackett)
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3242. # [22:31] <RyanVM> Ms2ger: merged
3243. # [22:31] <Ms2ger> RyanVM, thanks
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3248. # [22:32] <jesup> Wow. Just moved my /home over to a new SSD (was out of space - B2G builds can really eat storage), and did a check build of m-c on Linux in the hopes a new, fresh disk would speed things up (SSDs can get jammed for free space because of the erase sizes). In vain - still 28 minutes, up 4-6 minutes from a couple of months ago when I last invetigated
3249. # [22:32] <jesup> gps: ^
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3254. # [22:33] <jesup> Do was have a graph somewhere tracking build times? In the last 6-10 months we seem to have gone from 12-14 minutes to 28 minutes on the same machine
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3256. # [22:33] <jesup> maybe a new GCC helped push it up, but still that's a lot
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3258. # [22:34] * jesup wonders about all the webidl stuff... ;-) Or have we just written that much code, or made the code parsing/opt that much more complex?
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3264. # [22:35] <froydnj> jesup: I think I bench'd GCC 4.4 versus 4.7 (-j20) and there was a several minute difference in compile time :(
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3266. # [22:35] <jesup> I was on 4.6 IIRC when it was 14 minutes
3267. # [22:36] <jesup> maybe even 4.7
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3269. # [22:36] <froydnj> jesup: we do have graphs tracking build times... http://brasstacks.mozilla.com/gofaster/#/executiontime/build?range=60&include_outliers=0
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3273. # [22:36] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/f2f06acd92b5 - Dan Gohman - Bug 898468 - IonMonkey: Optimize min/max for the case where RangeAnalysis can prove that there are no NaNs. r=evilpies
3274. # [22:36] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/86ea384b9c6c - Dan Gohman - Bug 898468 - IonMonkey: Micro-optimize floating-point min and max using x86's minsd and maxsd instructions.
3275. # [22:37] <froydnj> I kinda wonder if all the makefile dependencies introduced semi-recently are slowing things down...
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3277. # [22:37] <jesup> froydnj: one 1 month of data.... and darn hard to read
3278. # [22:37] <mbrubeck> see also http://arewesmallyet.com/
3279. # [22:37] <jesup> froydnj: could be
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3281. # [22:38] <jesup> can't be TOO much, since I had 562% utilization
3282. # [22:38] <froydnj> the make -d output is just horrible for what ought to be simple compiles...we're checking hundreds of files across the tree all the time
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3286. # [22:38] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/9b8647516b35 - Timothy Nikkel - Bug 900662. Pass sync decode flags through moz-element painting so images inside moz-element work correctly with reftests. r=mstange
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3291. # [22:40] <jesup> the graph is totally worthless, IMHO - I can't even only look at one OS with like 20 b2g variants obscuring it, and they're not labelled in the graph when you mouseover
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3296. # [22:40] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/0066614e509f - Dan Gohman - Bug 898468 - IonMonkey: Fix a typo in a comment. r=evilpies
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3310. # [22:44] <jimb> What can xpcshell tests do to find a temporary directory they can create files in?
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3312. # [22:45] <Ms2ger> mihneadb, ^
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3315. # [22:45] <mihneadb> jimb: do_get_tempdir
3316. # [22:45] <mihneadb> it's in head.js
3317. # [22:45] <jimb> mihneadb: excellent - thanks
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3321. # [22:46] <gps> jesup: not sure what you wanted me to read. builds have gotten slow over the last few months because of more C++ in the tree
3322. # [22:46] <mihneadb> jimb: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/testing/xpcshell/head.js#920
3323. # [22:46] <mihneadb> np!
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3325. # [22:46] <gps> stop writing new features in Gecko and build times will stabilize :)
3326. # [22:46] <jimb> mihneadb: I know it well; I wrote do_check_matches
3327. # [22:46] * hwine-food is now known as hwine
3328. # [22:46] <mihneadb> ok :D
3329. # [22:46] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/938037f239b1 - Ted Mielczarek - bug 893785 - don't fire gamepadconnected events for windows that have already received them. r=smaug
3330. # [22:46] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/0feed139b856 - Ted Mielczarek - bug 899849 - fix MozbuildObject.from_environment to work right when no mozconfig specified. r=gps
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3333. # [22:47] <froydnj> gps: I think that's part of it, but it can't be the whole story
3334. # [22:47] <froydnj> gps: my build times have doubled in the last several months and I don't think we've added *that* much c++
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3336. # [22:47] <Ms2ger> froydnj, no? ;)
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3338. # [22:47] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/e106a8c9ac8c - Nicholas Nethercote - Bug 899834 (attempt 2) - Use a better hash function for the atoms table. r=luke.
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3340. # [22:48] <froydnj> I'm sure some smart aleck will now pull out hg logs are show that we have 4k c++ files where we once had 2k
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3355. # [22:51] <Ms2ger> froydnj, okay, maybe not doubled, but we're around 400k (.cpp) + 72k (.h) lines of code just for WebIDL ;)
3356. # [22:51] <gps> froydnj: for rev in `hg tags | grep release/GECKO | awk '{print $1}' | sort`; do count=`hg locate -r $rev | grep .cpp | wc -l`; echo "$count $rev"; done
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3358. # [22:51] <gps> that's just checked in sources
3359. # [22:51] <gps> webidl has been creating a crap ton of new c++ files
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3361. # [22:52] <Ms2ger> gps, a metric crap ton, even ;)
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3363. # [22:52] <froydnj> Ms2ger: ok, so that's ~10-20% increase in the # of lines, I think
3364. # [22:52] <gps> and we're relying on more C++ templating foo, I think
3365. # [22:52] <mbrubeck> our download size is about 17% larger compared to 6 months ago. Not sure how much of that is an increase in compiled code, or how it correlates to compile times.
3366. # [22:53] <gps> want compile times to decrease, rewrite Gecko in C :)
3367. # [22:53] <jimb> <3 templates_shared.js:50: const ZOO_NS = "http://www.some-fictitious-zoo.com/";
3368. # [22:53] <jimb>
3369. # [22:53] <jimb> never used
3370. # [22:53] * Ms2ger stabs gps
3371. # [22:53] <froydnj> gps: that doesn't give me anything, because I don't have any release/GECKO tags
3372. # [22:53] <gps> froydnj: I'll pastebin the results...
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3375. # [22:53] <jesup> froydnj: since November, we added ~3000 c++ files (or around 10-11%)
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3378. # [22:54] <jesup> (using an old snapshot inbound I had lying around)
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3381. # [22:54] <froydnj> from 13 aurora to 24 aurora, m-c says we've added 1200 .cpp files
3382. # [22:54] <froydnj> about 30%
3383. # [22:54] <mbrubeck> Does anyone know *why* the gofaster dashboard has only one month of data? I know it's been around longer than that.
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3388. # [22:55] <froydnj> assuming that snippet of shell gps posted is counting the right things :)
3389. # [22:55] <jesup> froydnj: we also have 4000 .cc files
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3391. # [22:55] <froydnj> jesup: ah, very good, let's count those too
3392. # [22:55] <jesup> and 3000 .c files
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3394. # [22:56] <froydnj> 5200 C++ source files to 7800, so about 50%
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3396. # [22:56] <gps> hg locate '*.c*' it is. now I have to restart the query...
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3399. # [22:56] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/82adb6106f7a - Stephen Pohl - Bug 874570: Make scrollbar frames smaller for small overlay scrollbars. r=smichaud
3400. # [22:57] <gps> ugh, hg locate is slow. not sure why they store manifests in a revlog
3401. # [22:57] <gps> it would probably be faster for me to open a python shell and invoke the mercurial API directly
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3403. # [22:57] <froydnj> 15 -> 16, 17 -> 18, and 21 -> 22 were the biggest jumps (about 800-900 new files each time)
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3406. # [22:58] <jesup> froydnj: sorry, my find is messed up by .hg
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3409. # [22:58] * froydnj wonders how easily some of these old releases can be compiled nowadays
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3418. # [22:59] <gps> froydnj: this is why I want reproducible build environments. bugs 885777, 886226, 896023
3419. # [22:59] <jesup> 20% since nov increase
3420. # [23:00] <jimb> froydnj: 9650?
3421. # [23:00] <froydnj> gps: yes. this is a hard problem
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3423. # [23:00] <gps> froydnj: http://gps.pastebin.mozilla.org/2760636
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3427. # [23:01] <jesup> "mv .hg ../foo.hg; find -name '*.c*' | wc; mv .../foo.hg .hg" (first approximation)
3428. # [23:01] <gps> Gecko 7 had 6800 *.c* files. central now has 10876
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3432. # [23:01] <gps> 60% increase
3433. # [23:01] <gps> that's not counting c++ files that get autogenerated, such as webidl
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3435. # [23:02] <Mook_as> jesup: -name .hg -a -prune ! :p
3436. # [23:02] <mbrubeck> still, I've seen my local build times almost double just in the past 4-6 months...
3437. # [23:02] <mbrubeck> and number of files hasn't grown all that much in that period
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3439. # [23:02] <jesup> mbrubeck: exactly; I have too, and apparently froydnj
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3443. # [23:03] <@bz> gps: we only have about 300 webidl files
3444. # [23:03] <@bz> gps: "only"
3445. # [23:04] <mbrubeck> a Windows opt clobber build is almost 2 hours now on this ThinkPad x1 with Core i7-3667U, 8GB RAM, SSD.
3446. # [23:04] <@bz> And yes, builds have gotten way slower. :(
3447. # [23:04] <jesup> froydnj: 15>16 and 17->18 were webrtc/trunk and webrtc/signaling
3448. # [23:05] <mbrubeck> Windows development is becoming almost impossible without an 8-core desktop, and painful even then.
3449. # [23:05] <gps> bz: next time you complain about mach not working, I want you to pastebin the output from teh patch in bug 894973
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3457. # [23:05] <mbrubeck> It's a big problem for volunteer contributors who don't have $2500 of hardware paid for by MoCo.
3458. # [23:05] <jesup> 15->16 would have added (most of) the current 895 .cc and 389 .c files in media/webrtc/trunk
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3462. # [23:06] <jesup> The total productivity loss for the build-time increase has to be staggering. :-(
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3464. # [23:07] <mbrubeck> Time to stop adding new features to the web platform? :P
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3466. # [23:07] <jesup> mbrubeck: I'm not sure that's why; if it were, I'd expect a larger number of new files
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3468. # [23:07] <ckerschb> jduell: got a minute or two?
3469. # [23:07] <jesup> (though I'm not counting file sizes...
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3473. # [23:08] <seth> gavin: ping
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3475. # [23:08] <mbrubeck> jesup: true -- overall size increase isn't helping, but it's definitely not the only thing going on.
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3486. # [23:15] <jesup> ok, I looked at file sizes (find .... -name "*.c*" | xargs wc) -- 880K lines to 1230K lines, or a near 50% increase
3487. # [23:15] <mbrubeck> jesup: Over what time period?
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3489. # [23:15] <jesup> Nov to now. However, I'm not sure I believe this 100%
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3491. # [23:16] <mbrubeck> jesup: Interesting experiment would be to instrument the compiler (maybe using a ccache-style wrapper) with something that counts the lines that actually get compiled.
3492. # [23:16] <mbrubeck> That could cover things like the generated webidl code, and #include bloat
3493. # [23:17] <jesup> <20ish% increase in .h file lines (460K to 540K)
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3496. # [23:17] <Mook_as> jesup: does that include *.css?
3497. # [23:17] <mbrubeck> heh
3498. # [23:18] <jesup> Yeah. 100K lines of .css. True
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3500. # [23:18] <jesup> in 1000 files
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3502. # [23:19] <ialagenchev> when adding new XPCOM components, when do we add entries to kXPCOMCIDEntries and kXPCOMContracts? I see that not all idls are registered in those two arrays.
3503. # [23:19] <gps> don't get me started on include bloat
3504. # [23:19] <gps> a worthwhile project would be to remove unused dependencies
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3507. # [23:20] <gps> that's likely contributing to slower incremental rebuilds due to excessive dependency invalidation
3508. # [23:20] <mbrubeck> also random stuff like .cacheManifest
3509. # [23:20] <jesup> I'm pretty surprised at the LOC increase from Nov to now (around 50%)
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3511. # [23:20] <gps> lots of imported code
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3518. # [23:21] <jesup> yeah, but only a 20% increase in number of files, so either they were a lot bigger than average, or a lot of existing files grew a bunch
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3524. # [23:24] <rnewman> Mossop: I don't see an event being sent when I click "Undo" after uninstalling a needs-restart add-on
3525. # [23:24] <rnewman> Mossop: nor do I see one when I disable, click out of the "Restart Now" dialog, and tap "Enable"
3526. # [23:25] <jesup> we need to cut the need to CLOBBER (we're looking at you, webidl!) and even consider breaking code into more independently-built modules (again) with less dependency on configure/etc changes (some way to filter if the config data it actually depends on changes, for example)
3527. # [23:25] <rnewman> is this UI brokenness, and those actions don't do anything, or should I file to get notifications added?
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3529. # [23:25] <jesup> IMHO, of course - stabbing at the shadows
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3532. # [23:26] <gps> jesup: FWIW, I don't believe I'm in a good position to drive those changes since I'm not too involved in the C++ dev side of things. I can help make noise. I think those are terrific ideas
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3534. # [23:26] <gps> since currently any variable change in configure (AC_SUBST or AC_DEFINE) will invalidate C++ ccache
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3537. # [23:27] <gps> err, invalidate the depdendency anyway
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3545. # [23:29] <jesup> right. Some way to filter so as to not invalidate most files would help a ton (in making incrementals faster). Tricky though
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3548. # [23:30] <jesup> Or just never ever touch configure.in!
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3555. # [23:32] <@ehsan> jrmuizel: https://blog.mozilla.org/press/files/2013/07/Alcatel-One-Touch-Fire.png
3556. # [23:32] <mbrubeck> split mozilla-config.h into multiple files and have a way for source files to include only the parts they need?
3557. # [23:33] <mbrubeck> I can't think of a good way to make that manageable without being error-prone...
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3561. # [23:34] <tbsaunde> mbrubeck: mshal mentioned a bit ago that what linux does is to have a header per option and then have the config.h include all of those and hack up the deps somehow so you don't depend on config.h but the things it includes
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3563. # [23:34] <jesup> exactly the problem... Unless you can find a way to automate it
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3565. # [23:35] <tbsaunde> jesup: I'm under the impression the linux thing is automated
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3570. # [23:35] <gps> precompiled headers might also help
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3572. # [23:36] <tbsaunde> jesup: a long time ago I wanted to restrict configure changes to only landing on one day of the week, but build people of course didn't like that idea :)
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3577. # [23:37] <mshal> tbsaunde: I believe it's linux/scripts/basic/fixdep.c
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3580. # [23:38] <mshal> it'll strip out the autoconf.h dep and add a bunch of fake ones on things like include/config/epoll.h for CONFIG_EPOLL, as an example
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3582. # [23:39] <Mossop> rnewman: I think you're doing it wrong
3583. # [23:39] <rnewman> Mossop: can you explain?
3584. # [23:39] <Mossop> You should be seeing onDisabling/onEnabling events sent
3585. # [23:39] <rnewman> I'm only seeing them for the first 'direction'
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3587. # [23:40] <Mossop> We have lots of tests for this (and the UI depends on them) so I'd be surprised if it was a UI error
3588. # [23:40] <rnewman> click disable => event sent, prompts for restart
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3590. # [23:40] <rnewman> click enable, nothing
3591. # [23:40] <rnewman> click disable again => event sent
3592. # [23:40] <rnewman> (this is in Fennec, FWIW)
3593. # [23:40] <Mossop> onOperationCancelled is what you should get, are you monitoring that?
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3595. # [23:40] <rnewman> nope; didn't know that existed! :D
3596. # [23:40] <rnewman> awesome
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3600. # [23:41] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/2f0e77a1a12b - Jason Yeo - Bug 900192 - ValueError when exception is raised in Talos (ValueError: incomplete format). DONTBUILD. r=armenzg
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3609. # [23:46] <sfink> jlebar++
3610. # [23:46] <sfink> for hg-patience
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3618. # [23:50] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/6d6e336d0376 - Jonathan Griffin - Bug 900670 - Add threadtime to Marionette's logcat, r=dhylands
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3627. # [23:53] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/3cf583b9a2a7 - Jason Smith - bug 898448 - Installation of packaged apps fail due to assuming existence of getDeviceStorage. r=fabrice
3628. # [23:53] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/83d83bea9d55 - Matthew Noorenberghe - Bug 900354 - Ignore sub-resource loads for Azure recordings. r=Bas
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3639. # [23:59] <glandium> tbsaunde: not quite
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