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1. # Session Start: Sat Aug 03 00:00:00 2013
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5. # [00:00] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/c24d2c94d6fb - Brian Hackett - Bug 901081 - Handle fixed uses of float registers in the stupid allocator correctly, r=luke.
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11. # [00:03] <@smaug> odd, 2013-07-11 nightly build for 64bit linux is debug
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13. # [00:05] <lsblakk> mconnor: if you're still around this late on a friday can you weigh in on bug 900925
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17. # [00:06] <mrbkap> Has anybody else seen link errors building TestAtomics.o?
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22. # [00:10] <mrbkap> ah, bug 900965
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24. # [00:11] <RyanVM|afk> gabadie: bustage
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28. # [00:13] <gabadie> RyanVM ? oh
29. # [00:13] <KWierso|Home> e:/builds/moz2_slave/m-in-w32-000000000000000000000/build/gfx/gl/GLContextExtensionGroupQueries.cpp(123) : error C2057: expected constant expression
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31. # [00:15] <gabadie> I don't understand … that was green on push to try :s
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39. # [00:22] <gabadie> RyanVM : I pushed the fix https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/d93fe7628f85
40. # [00:23] <jwir3> what does nsIWidget represent, as an object? Is this any type of widget (e.g. a tab), or just the windows firefox has associated with it?
41. # [00:23] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/d93fe7628f85 - Guillaume Abadie - bug 900101 - build bustage fix on an CLOSED TREE - r=bjacob IRL
42. # [00:24] <@gavin> jwir3: AIUI it represents a system "window"
43. # [00:24] <@smaug> jwir3: I'm wrong person to answer, but it represents the OS level widget
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45. # [00:25] <@smaug> so usually one widget per window
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47. # [00:25] <@smaug> and popups (context menus and such) have one, and I think some plugins
48. # [00:25] <jwir3> smaug, gavin: thx.
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50. # [00:26] <@smaug> (we used to have a lot more widget objects around)
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67. # [00:37] <gaston> glandium: fwiw with some debug prints, elf detection correctly works in executables.py, libxul.so is detected as elf
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70. # [00:38] <gaston> glandium: striping also works but for some reason libxul.so isnt in the list of files stripped
71. # [00:38] <froydnj> gps: great minds think alike!
72. # [00:38] <froydnj> (just read the dev-platform post)
73. # [00:39] <gaston> interestingly libbrowsercomps.so and libmozgnome.so are stripped but not libmozalloc.so or libxul.so
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77. # [00:39] <gaston> -rw-r--r-- 1 root wsrc 509280256 Aug 3 00:37 /usr/obj/firefox-23.0/build-amd64/dist/firefox/libxul.so.41.0
78. # [00:39] <gaston> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wsrc 47085280 Aug 2 18:07 /usr/obj/firefox-23.0beta9/build-amd64/dist/firefox/libxul.so.41.0*
79. # [00:40] <gaston> something definitely strange here..
80. # [00:40] <gaston> file on it says it's stripped but it's still huge
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88. # [00:47] <nbp> jorendorff: do we have anything in the JS engine to dump the time of the parser and first runs from the browser?
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91. # [00:49] <jorendorff> nbp: what exactly?
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93. # [00:50] <nbp> jorendorff: the overall time, to estime what is precisely the time on gaia application with the current mock-up of the new design of applications.
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98. # [00:52] <jorendorff> nbp: I'm a little ignorant of how browser startup works, i'm afraid...
99. # [00:53] <jorendorff> nbp: i think the output we've got is to measure parse times, not startup times
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101. # [00:53] <nbp> jorendorff: not the browser startup, but the time of bytecode emitter.
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103. # [00:53] <jorendorff> nbp: ok, so let me ask this -- do you know if gaia application code is parsed lazily? i imagine it would be
104. # [00:54] <nbp> jorendorff: I am interested in the start-up / transition time of gaia applications, and where we can save time by optimizing the JS engine.
105. # [00:54] <jorendorff> nbp: assuming so, no bytecode is emitted for functions until they're called
106. # [00:54] <jorendorff> so it would be really easy to get a wrong impression
107. # [00:54] <nbp> jorendorff: gaia applications should be parsed lazily.
108. # [00:54] <jorendorff> ok, hang on a sec
109. # [00:54] <nbp> jorendorff: which is fined.
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112. # [00:55] <nbp> jorendorff: I am only interested on caching/sharing the bytecode of these functions only if they run ;)
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114. # [00:56] <nbp> jorendorff: but I need to evaluate if it is worth doing any caching of the bytecode on gaia, and thus estimate the cost of converting a lazy script into a script
115. # [00:56] <jorendorff> right
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118. # [00:56] <jorendorff> sfink: didn't you put in code to measure this?
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121. # [00:56] <jorendorff> i just can't remember what it's called
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126. # [00:58] <sfink> uh, I didn't do anything specifically for that
127. # [00:58] <jorendorff> nbp: ok, so the precise question you want to get answered is "how much total time has this process we spent in the JS frontend"?
128. # [00:58] <sfink> I had something for counting the number of times each opcode is called
129. # [00:58] <jorendorff> s/we//
130. # [00:59] <nbp> jorendorff: yes.
131. # [00:59] <jorendorff> nbp: The dumbest possible way to do that would be
132. # [00:59] <sfink> luke had something for measuring which scripts were executed and things
133. # [00:59] <sfink> njn had something or other too
134. # [00:59] <nbp> jorendorff: both for producing lazy scripts, and for producing the bytecode when we are genrating it.
135. # [00:59] <sfink> and then I had the probes stuff, that did callbacks on events like this
136. # [00:59] <sfink> haven't used it in ages
137. # [01:00] <jorendorff> the probes stuff!
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139. # [01:00] <jorendorff> sfink: I don't see probes stuff in frontend
140. # [01:00] <jorendorff> nbp: ok, the dumbest possible way to do that would be
141. # [01:00] <jorendorff> nbp: to insert timer start/stop code in 3 places, all in BytecodeCompiler.cpp
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143. # [01:01] <jorendorff> nbp: the three frontend entry points: CompileScript, CompileLazyFunction, CompileFunctionBody
144. # [01:01] <nbp> jorendorff: I guess CompileScript is for the top-level one?
145. # [01:01] <jorendorff> nbp: Yes.
146. # [01:01] <jorendorff> CompileFunctionBody is used for the Function() constructor, onclick="" event handlers, and not much else
147. # [01:03] <nbp> jorendorff: ok, thanks for pointing me in the right directions :)
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149. # [01:04] <marco> nsm: ping
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151. # [01:05] <nsm> marco: pong
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153. # [01:05] <marco> nsm: IIRC you were working on push notifications for desktop
154. # [01:05] <marco> right?
155. # [01:05] <nsm> yes
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163. # [01:08] <marco> nsm: so, I was wondering what should be done on the webapp runtime side of things
164. # [01:08] <nsm> marco: for apps or for websites?
165. # [01:08] <marco> nsm: for apps running in the webapp runtime
166. # [01:09] <nsm> marco: that should be easy. you want to set dom.sysmsg.enabled=true (bug 868322), and set services.push.enabled = true in browser/app/profile/firefox.js
167. # [01:09] <nsm> marco: that should theoretically have things working
168. # [01:09] <nsm> marco: edit dom/push/src/Push{.js,Service.jsm} to uncomment their debug() functions
169. # [01:10] <nsm> marco: that way you should know if the push service has started
170. # [01:10] <nsm> marco: ping me if things don't work
171. # [01:12] <marco> nsm: thank you
172. # [01:13] <marco> nsm: on b2g if an app isn't running is it woken up by a push notification?
173. # [01:13] <nsm> marco: yes
174. # [01:13] <marco> nsm: instead on firefox this happens only while firefox is running, right?
175. # [01:14] <nsm> marco: i'm not sure if that will work out of the box in firefox. because on b2g gecko broadcasts a system-message-open-app, which the gaia window manager listens to and launches the app
176. # [01:14] <nsm> marco: i'm not aware if desktop firefox has a gecko based listener for this
177. # [01:14] <nsm> marco: yes, firefox will have to be running
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180. # [01:16] <marco> nsm: ok, thanks
181. # [01:16] <marco> I think in the webapp runtime we want apps to be executed anyway like on b2g, so maybe we'll need some sort of service
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186. # [01:23] <mbrubeck> RyanVM|afk: I'm going to reopen fx-team
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189. # [01:24] <mbrubeck> hrrm, except for these other unstarred failures
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193. # [01:30] <KWierso|Home> mbrubeck: I'm filing the jetpack one
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196. # [01:31] <dhylands> githubRyanVM: ping
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199. # [01:34] <dhylands> We used to put [fixed-in-birch] in the whiteboard when landing stuff on birch. What do we use now for b2g-inbound?
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219. # [01:47] <RyanVM|afk> the reftest "failure" isn't a failure
220. # [01:47] <RyanVM|afk> for some reason, we intermittently hit that on the osx slaves
221. # [01:47] <RyanVM|afk> reopening
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231. # [01:53] <mbrubeck> \o/
232. # [01:53] <mbrubeck> RyanVM|afk is a true hero to the people
233. # [01:53] <RyanVM|afk> :)
234. # [01:54] <mrbkap> Should we erect a statue in his honor?
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253. # [02:10] <mihneadb> ckitching: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=26097769&tree=Try&full=1#error0
254. # [02:10] <mihneadb> gcc segfault
255. # [02:10] <mihneadb> like a boss
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266. # [02:17] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/769c7e06a1f0 - Nikhil Marathe - Bug 884897 - Convert SimplePush to WebIDL. r=khuey
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321. # [03:00] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/2fe371042c60 - Guillaume Abadie - Bug 901131 - GLContext's extension group queries do a static assert on sExtensionGroupInfoArr - r=jgilbert
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327. # [03:07] <jduell> anyone else seeing m-c tree fail to build on linux with ../../dist/include/mozilla/Atomics.h:230: error: undefined reference to 'std::atomic<EnumType>::load(std::memory_order) const'?
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329. # [03:08] <Waldo> jduell: bug 900965 probably, likely you could just land it now
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331. # [03:09] <jduell> Waldo++
332. # [03:10] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/353c951a48d6 - Guillaume Abadie - bug 901084 - remove deprecated GLContext extension group queries. - r=bjacob
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335. # [03:10] <Waldo> jlebar: do you know the various jemalloc size classes, by chance? I'm trying to intelligently pick |m > n| values such that memory from a malloc(16 + m * 8), where only the first |n * 8| locations are touched, will be reduced in size by a realloc() to |16 + n * 8|, for a blog post
336. # [03:10] <Waldo> or anyone else jemalloc-wise
337. # [03:10] <jduell> Waldo: should I land it on inbound and m-c, or just inbound?
338. # [03:10] <Waldo> er, sorry, the first |16 + n * 8| locations, I mean
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341. # [03:11] <Waldo> jduell: up to you
342. # [03:12] * Waldo is on a system with gcc 4.8.1ish libtsdc++ so doesn't really care ;-)
343. # [03:12] <jduell> Waldo: I'll land just on inbound. thanks
344. # [03:12] <Waldo> certainly the easy thing to do :-)
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349. # [03:15] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/ada4c3b62233 - Nathan Froyd - Bug 900965 - compile failures with gcc 4.6.3 on std::atomic enum support from bug 888548 r=waldo
350. # [03:15] <jlebar> Waldo: There's a comment at the top of jemalloc.c, iirc
351. # [03:15] <jlebar> yeah, the jemalloc.c in memory/mozjemalloc.
352. # [03:16] <jlebar> Waldo: there's also malloc_good_size, which we expose somehow, I forget exactly how.
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359. # [03:19] <Waldo> hmm, why does http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/find?string=/jemalloc.c&hint=js|xpconnect|src not mention that file?
360. # [03:20] <Waldo> and this is interesting, a size class every 16 bytes practically
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362. # [03:20] <Waldo> (to a fairly large point)
363. # [03:20] <jlebar> yeah
364. # [03:20] <jlebar> Waldo: we don't have the size-two or size-four class everywhere, iirc
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366. # [03:21] <froydnj> jduell: thanks for landing that!
367. # [03:22] <jduell> froydnj: thanks for writing the patch! It was frustrating not having a compile-able tree...
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372. # [03:24] <Waldo> jlebar: doesn't matter for my purposes, I just want to talk about how a certain optimization we do might translate into memory savings that web developers might want to know about (although, I'm going to discourage the entire feature that causes this to happen, so :-) )
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376. # [03:27] <Waldo> a little unfortunate there's a size class every 16, actually, as I was maybe slightly hoping for a bigger potential size reduction than that :-)
377. # [03:27] <jlebar> Waldo: We can change it if that would help. :-p
378. # [03:28] <Waldo> :-)
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384. # [03:32] <Waldo> it's interesting that realloc there seemingly doesn't ever just return the original pointer when a realloc-smaller happens, if I'm skimming it right
385. # [03:32] <jlebar> Waldo: I think that's true for quantum-spaced and maybe sub-page allocs
386. # [03:32] <jlebar> Waldo: I think maybe not for large allocs?
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389. # [03:33] <Waldo> jlebar: *shrug* seems pretty weird given realloc(malloc(16), 15) or somesuch wouldn't change size classes and so has no reason to do any work at all
390. # [03:33] <jlebar> Waldo: oh, that's what you mean
391. # [03:34] <jlebar> Waldo: that is weird.
392. # [03:34] <jlebar> Waldo: By realloc-smaller, I thought you meant realloc-to-smaller-size-class
393. # [03:35] <Waldo> to-smaller-class I could see occasionally not moving making sense, but maybe only for adjacent classes, and even then simplicity might be virtue enough to just always do it
394. # [03:35] <Waldo> to-same-class just is weird
395. # [03:35] <jlebar> Waldo: I see something that looks like what we expect to see at the top of arena_realloc
396. # [03:35] <jlebar> er, arena_ralloc
397. # [03:36] <jlebar> gotta save that one char
398. # [03:36] <Waldo> oh, right, I was looking at the valgrind impl
399. # [03:36] <jlebar> aha
400. # [03:36] <Waldo> which, er, obviously would want to move all the time :-)
401. # [03:36] <jlebar> welcome to ifdef hell
402. # [03:37] <Waldo> yeah, shoot me now
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406. # [03:38] <Waldo> so if I believe those comments, same size class won't move, different at all will
407. # [03:38] <Waldo> (for small enough sizes)
408. # [03:38] <jlebar> right; that seems sensible.
409. # [03:38] <jlebar> Because the quantum-sized allocs are in runs which contain allocs only of that size
410. # [03:39] <jlebar> So your option is either don't resize (which would be pretty unfriendly) or move.
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425. # [03:56] <dzbarsky1> could someone please cancel the builds on https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=7714a92d0dff ?
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434. # [04:06] <heycam> dzbarsky, done
435. # [04:07] <dzbarsky> heycam: thanks. apparently IT deactives LDAPs real quick ;P
436. # [04:12] <marco> is it possible to send a fake load event to force an event listener to be called?
437. # [04:12] <bz> dzbarsky: heh
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439. # [04:12] <heycam> marco, you can do node.dispatchEvent(new Event("load"))
440. # [04:13] <marco> heycam: thanks
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450. # [04:24] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/d2aab866cf34 - Nicolas B. Pierron - Bug 867856 - Fix intermittent timeout of bug743094.js test case. r=h4writer
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454. # [04:28] <mcpherrin> I'm seeing scareware advertisements trying to get me to "upgrade" my "outdated" firefox; anybody know who I should send trademark stuff to?
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457. # [04:29] <mcpherrin> (Maybe not the best channel to ask but I'm sure someone ought to know :) )
458. # [04:29] * Waldo remembers the 2006 days when an intern's people account kept working, and his IRC bouncer kept running, til he lost his SSH key and asked them to install a new one for him, at which point they scrambled to kill all overlong access
459. # [04:29] <Callek> totally did not know who h4writer was and thought that him as a reviewer would have been backoutable
460. # [04:29] <Callek> https://wiki.mozilla.org/Modules/All proves me wrong like always
461. # [04:29] <KWierso|Home> mcpherrin: Marketing::Trademark Violations
462. # [04:29] <KWierso|Home> in bugzilla
463. # [04:29] <mcpherrin> KWierso|Home: thanks.
464. # [04:30] <Waldo> Callek: oh, h4writer is a new old hand
465. # [04:30] <Waldo> Callek: that Justin Wood guy, on the other hand, is nothing but trouble
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467. # [04:30] <KWierso|Home> mcpherrin: http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/legal/fraud-report/ actually
468. # [04:30] <Callek> Waldo: that Justin Wood guy should never be trusted, after all he still works on SeaMonkey, only way that could be worse is if he worked on SeaMonkey for Solaris and Sparc at the same time
469. # [04:31] <Callek> Waldo: and teh Klingon and Middle Earth locales as well!
470. # [04:31] <Callek> Qapla'!
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472. # [04:32] <bz> mm, Solaris
473. # [04:32] * froydnj wonders why in the world |make clean| is reconfiguring
474. # [04:32] * bz recalls the good browsers he had there
475. # [04:32] <bz> Like IE5
476. # [04:33] <Callek> bz: was it Trident IE5 though?
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478. # [04:34] <Callek> (Tasman was 100x better imho)
479. # [04:34] <bz> Callek: yes, Trident
480. # [04:34] <Callek> :::shudder:::
481. # [04:35] <bz> Callek: are you not familiar with the Solaris IE port?
482. # [04:35] <Callek> no, I never actually seen IE on solaris
483. # [04:35] <Callek> didn't even know it existed
484. # [04:35] <bz> Callek: well, the other options for a browser at that point were NS4 and Mozilla Milestone 16 or so
485. # [04:35] <bz> Callek: It was a tossup of suck
486. # [04:35] <Callek> well M16 wasn't all that bad
487. # [04:35] <Callek> (imo anyway)
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489. # [04:35] <bz> Callek: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Explorer_for_UNIX if you're interested
490. # [04:36] <Callek> of course I _saw_ M16 personally _after_ I saw Mozilla Suite 1.4
491. # [04:36] <Callek> I also note I'm not actually using Solaris, was just a tease about how my work with seamonkey could be _less_ relevant
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494. # [04:36] <bz> Callek: they basically got WinAPI ported
495. # [04:36] <bz> Callek: and then ran IE5 on top
496. # [04:36] <bz> Callek: like a very specialized Wine. ;)
497. # [04:37] <Callek> heh, I want to say Nice, but I more cringe and go "Whhhhhyyyyyyyyyyyy"
498. # [04:37] <bz> Callek: actually, the Wikipedia article covers the why
499. # [04:37] <Callek> ahhh ok
500. # [04:37] <bz> Callek: at least of why they wanted to have a Unix version of IE
501. # [04:37] <bz> Callek: I can guess at the why of the implementation approach.
502. # [04:37] * Callek decides to actually read it
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505. # [04:39] <Callek> roflmao: |" as well as "supporting and promoting open standards, including HTML, ActiveX and Java".[4]|
506. # [04:40] <Callek> ActiveX was an open standard?
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508. # [04:40] <Callek> (java was relatively close at the time though)
509. # [04:40] <Callek> and HTML was barely "standard" though it was open
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515. # [04:43] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/1387a91ce0bc - Gene Lian - Bug 900933 - Alarm API - AlarmsManager.remove() should use sendAsyncMessage(). r=nsm
516. # [04:43] <darktrojan> "to port Windows Media Player ... to Unix"
517. # [04:43] <darktrojan> Unix Media Player \o/
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519. # [04:45] <darktrojan> "Other unsupported features include transitions in CSS" ....
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536. # [04:57] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/49632bc14e27 - Matt Woodrow - Bug 900133 - Add TEXTURE_IMMEDIATE_UPLOAD to avoid racing when single buffered. r=nical
537. # [04:57] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/a857a4246dd9 - Matt Woodrow - Bug 900133 - Recreate the TextureClient for an ImageClient if the image size changes. r=nical
538. # [04:57] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/e0e2e27af6c1 - Matt Woodrow - Bug 881634 - Only use a single snapshot with DrawTargetSkia. r=Bas
539. # [04:57] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/67c3e4204e44 - Matt Woodrow - Bug 893302 - Rename the CanvasClient class to include Deprecated so we can implement one on top of NewTextureHost. r=nical
540. # [04:57] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/b8db58f5e209 - Matt Woodrow - Bug 893302 - Implement CanvasClient2D on top of NewTextures. r=nical
541. # [04:57] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/036780fccc89 - Matt Woodrow - Bug 900133 - Make sure we always call OnTransaction when we might recreate textures. r=nical
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544. # [05:03] <jaws> if you are working on an algorithm, and a property of the data must be maintained from before to after the algorithm has run, what is that called? i'm at a loss for words...
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556. # [05:04] <darktrojan> persistence?
557. # [05:05] <jaws> hm, i had thought of that word already :)
558. # [05:05] <jaws> i also thought of "constraints"
559. # [05:05] <jaws> but i don't think either of them are what i'm trying to recall :)
560. # [05:06] <darktrojan> continuity
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562. # [05:09] <mconnor> lsblakk: commented... not sure there's anything to do there, unless we have a policy on nothing in error console?
563. # [05:10] <mconnor> lsblakk: in theory I'm on PTO, and should be out of internet range hours ago, will be gone tomorrow, but will try to check back tonight...
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565. # [05:10] <jaws> darktrojan: invariant was the word i was thinking of
566. # [05:10] <jaws> thanks for your help! :)
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573. # [05:13] <briansmith> Anybody have an idea why "mach gtest" will say "Couldn't load XPCOM" on Win32 debug?
574. # [05:13] <briansmith> built with --enable-test --enable-gtest
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576. # [05:14] <jaws> bsmedberg: ^
577. # [05:14] <briansmith> --enable-tests
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581. # [05:15] <tbsaunde> did BenWa get around to supporting gtest on windows?
582. # [05:15] <briansmith> IIRC, "mach gtest" is supposed to build the special libxul that has the tests linked in, but it doesn't seem to do so
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588. # [05:20] <efaust> mattwoodrow|away: red on inbound?
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593. # [05:22] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/19f48fd7faf1 - Geoff Brown - Bug 894454 - Avoid potential NullPointerException crashes in sutAgent; r=wlach
594. # [05:22] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/c2a1d9258137 - Geoff Brown - Bug 900823 - Avoid long waits in testMasterPassword; r=jmaher
595. # [05:23] <tbsaunde> briansmith: yeah,but I seem to remember something about it only working on linux / mac
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598. # [05:23] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/b27b567e0bdc - Jim Blandy - Bug 897919: Correctly de-lazify functions before trying to inspect their scripts. r=sfink
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601. # [05:24] <efaust> J #build
602. # [05:24] <efaust> hmm, shift is not /
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604. # [05:25] <jgilbert> but in emacs, it /can be/
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606. # [05:26] <efaust> heh
607. # [05:26] <efaust> sooo...who wants to do the backout? :D
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612. # [05:28] <KWierso|Home> efaust: I'll do it
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614. # [05:30] <@dolske> jgilbert: emacs is the zombo.com of editors.
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644. # [06:08] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/c732306ad9af - Cameron McCormack - Bug 899894 - Don't null check nsStyleSet::ResolveBlah return values. r=dbaron
645. # [06:08] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/dc5bce83d801 - Cameron McCormack - Bug 899900 - Avoid null checking result of NS_NewBlahFrame. r=dbaron
646. # [06:08] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/6c032632b905 - Cameron McCormack - Bug 899896 - Avoid null checking of some box layout factory functions. r=dbaron
647. # [06:08] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/ce984b387db8 - Cameron McCormack - Bug 899881 - Don't allow frames to have a null style context. r=dbaron
648. # [06:08] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/5b3ec8bf8bbc - Cameron McCormack - Bug 899886 - Don't return null from nsStyleSet::ReparentStyleContext. r=dbaron
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658. # [06:22] <bz> hmm
659. # [06:23] <bz> Is mail-to-news forwarding broken somehow?
660. # [06:23] * bz is seeing posts made via news but not via mail...
661. # [06:23] <bz> Or something
662. # [06:23] <jcranmer> crossposted mail-to-news is broken
663. # [06:23] <@dbaron> there was a mailman upgrade recently
664. # [06:23] <jcranmer> it only reports to one of the newsgroups...
665. # [06:24] <@dbaron> in which a module that was supposed to fix a bunch of the crossposting-related duplication was installed
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667. # [06:24] <@dbaron> but I guess that module doesn't work as advertised?
668. # [06:24] <jcranmer> dbaron: it was designed to fix not the duplication but the threading
669. # [06:24] <@dolske> my gopher gateway has problems too.
670. # [06:25] <@dbaron> jcranmer, oh, then the "FIXED" marking on a bug I filed was totally incorrect
671. # [06:25] <jcranmer> maybe another one was installed?
672. # [06:25] <jcranmer> the bug I'm related with is the threading
673. # [06:25] <@dbaron> jcranmer, if you're confident of what you're saying, would you mind reopening 814207?
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675. # [06:26] <jcranmer> huh
676. # [06:26] <jcranmer> dbaron: yeah, judging from the fix comment, what was fixed wasn't quite what you were asking ofr
677. # [06:28] <bz> dbaron: so what I see is your reply to njn in .platform
678. # [06:28] <bz> dbaron: but not his post
679. # [06:28] <bz> dbaron: I do see his post in .builds
680. # [06:28] <bz> whoa
681. # [06:29] <bz> and your post is not in .builds
682. # [06:29] <bz> fwiw, the headers tbird shows me for your post are...
683. # [06:29] <@dbaron> bz, speaking of which, I don't think *I* saw my reply in .builds
684. # [06:29] <@dbaron> bz, er, never mind, I did
685. # [06:29] <bz> Newsgroups: mozilla.dev.platform
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687. # [06:29] <bz> Cc: Mozilla Product Builds <dev-builds@lists.mozilla.org>,
688. # [06:29] <jcranmer> bz: sending to two mailing lists only propagates to one newsgroup
689. # [06:29] <bz> dev-platform <dev-platform@lists.mozilla.org>,
690. # [06:29] <bz> jcranmer: Randomly selected or something?
691. # [06:30] <bz> jcranmer: is there a bug on this?
692. # [06:30] <jcranmer> bz: I'm reopening 814207
693. # [06:30] <bz> because this is making this thread _really_ hard to read
694. # [06:30] <bz> super-hard
695. # [06:30] <bz> jcranmer: thanks!
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697. # [06:30] <@dbaron> bz, so njn and I both posted to the mailing list end, methinks
698. # [06:30] <bz> yeah
699. # [06:30] <@dbaron> jcranmer, that's unrelated to bz's problem, though
700. # [06:30] <bz> jcranmer's description of the problem explains what I'm seeing
701. # [06:31] <bz> well
702. # [06:31] <bz> Is it?
703. # [06:31] <@dbaron> well
704. # [06:31] <bz> They rolled out this thing yesterday
705. # [06:31] <bz> and today cross-posting is broken
706. # [06:31] <jcranmer> dbaron: I've read the mailman source code
707. # [06:31] <@dbaron> the thing they did that they thought fixed bug 814207 caused this
708. # [06:31] <bz> It worked before that
709. # [06:31] <bz> right
710. # [06:31] <@dbaron> but it's not actually related to bug 814207
711. # [06:31] <jcranmer> I know what is going on
712. # [06:31] <jcranmer> but it can be hard to describe
713. # [06:31] <bz> I guess we should file a new bug blocking 814207 or something...
714. # [06:31] <@dbaron> so I'd rather not confused 814207 any more than it already is
715. # [06:31] <bz> jcranmer: willing to do that?
716. # [06:31] <@dbaron> because 814207 is actually an important bug that I'd like to see fixed
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718. # [06:32] <@dbaron> bz, jcranmer, I think it should be a new bug blocking the mailman upgrade bug
719. # [06:32] <jcranmer> bz: dbaron: the problems you're talking about are the same
720. # [06:32] <@dbaron> not 814207
721. # [06:32] <jcranmer> if it helps
722. # [06:32] <jcranmer> let me describe what is going on
723. # [06:32] <jcranmer> it used to be
724. # [06:32] <jcranmer> before the upgrade
725. # [06:33] <@dbaron> jcranmer, put it in a bug rather than IRC?
726. # [06:35] <@dbaron> (though the silence is disturbing)
727. # [06:37] <jcranmer> dbaron: see my new comment
728. # [06:38] <jcranmer> hopefully that describes your concerns adequately?
729. # [06:38] <@dbaron> someone should file a bug on the regression, though
730. # [06:38] <@dbaron> jcranmer, not fully
731. # [06:38] <jcranmer> dbaron: what am I missing?
732. # [06:39] <@dbaron> jcranmer, fixing threading may depend on fixing 814207 first
733. # [06:39] <@dbaron> jcranmer, but fixing 814207 does *not* depend on fixing threading
734. # [06:39] <jcranmer> threading is fixed
735. # [06:39] <@dbaron> jcranmer, incorrectly, though
736. # [06:39] <jcranmer> the problem is that the threading fix... well, broke crossposts
737. # [06:39] <@dbaron> jcranmer, which is an independent problem
738. # [06:39] <@dbaron> jcranmer, because 814207 is not about threading
739. # [06:39] <jcranmer> dbaron: but it's not
740. # [06:40] <@dbaron> jcranmer, 814207 is about what the rewritten to, cc, and newsgroups fields say
741. # [06:40] <jcranmer> it's all about message IDs
742. # [06:40] <@dbaron> jcranmer, not about message IDs
743. # [06:40] <@dbaron> jcranmer, the patch they installed is about message IDs
744. # [06:40] <@dbaron> jcranmer, but 814207 is *not* about message IDs
745. # [06:40] <jcranmer> the regression is because of message IDs
746. # [06:40] <@dbaron> jcranmer, right
747. # [06:40] <jcranmer> you have to handle the message IDs and the cross-post hand-in-hand
748. # [06:41] <@dbaron> jcranmer, only if you're trying to not-munge the message IDs, no?
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750. # [06:41] <@dbaron> jcranmer, which is the thing they installed that is **not related to 814207**
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752. # [06:41] <jcranmer> we're in violent agreement that what they installed is not 814207
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754. # [06:42] <@dbaron> jcranmer, right, so I think the bug report about the regression should be *separate* from 814207
755. # [06:42] <jcranmer> they think what they installed is 814207 though
756. # [06:42] <@dbaron> jcranmer, because I would, in fact, like to see 814207 fixed someday
757. # [06:42] <bz> ok
758. # [06:42] <bz> so we need two things
759. # [06:42] <@dbaron> jcranmer, the regression still belongs in a separate bug
760. # [06:42] <bz> 1) reopen the bug
761. # [06:42] <bz> 2) new bug on the regression
762. # [06:42] <jcranmer> 1) is done
763. # [06:43] <bz> Are you doing 2), or should I?
764. # [06:43] * jcranmer will let bz do 2
765. # [06:43] <bz> ok
766. # [06:43] <@dbaron> jcranmer, and if 814207 gets filled up with comments about this regression, the odds of its ever getting fixed decline precipitously
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768. # [06:43] <jcranmer> dbaron: fixing the regression will probably fix 814207
769. # [06:43] <bz> hmm
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771. # [06:43] <bz> in this product, will setting a critical severity be bad?
772. # [06:44] <jcranmer> or, rather, the most sensible way to fix the regression (outside of plain baking out)
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775. # [06:47] <bz> More reasons to not cross-post
776. # [06:47] <jcranmer> hey, it works from newsgroups :-)
777. # [06:47] <bz> Do we need a post telling people that if they're cross-posting anything they're probably missing random chunks of their audience? :(
778. # [06:47] <bz> so
779. # [06:48] <bz> severity
780. # [06:48] <bz> critical?
781. # [06:48] <bz> "project communications sort of not functional"
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785. # [06:49] <@dbaron> jcranmer, so does NNTP not have a concept like the envelope recipient, and it actually uses the Newsgroups: line to determine where the message goes?
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787. # [06:50] <bz> And of course now it's the weekend....
788. # [06:50] <jcranmer> dbaron: NNTP uses the Newsgroup: line
789. # [06:50] <bz> So this will stay broken till Monday. :(
790. # [06:50] <@dbaron> jcranmer, ah, ok. That's what I was missing... which does make them related.
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792. # [06:50] <jcranmer> sorry, I forget that not everyone works with the guts of SMTP and NNTP :-)
793. # [06:51] * @dolske makes the unhelpful 'can we just kill NNTP already' comment.
794. # [06:51] <bz> dolske: unhelpful indeed. ;)
795. # [06:51] <@dbaron> jcranmer, I know a decent amount about the guts of SMTP, but not much about NNTP.
796. # [06:51] <bz> dolske: because for this use case nntp works way better than smtp, imo
797. # [06:51] <bz> dolske: at least for me...
798. # [06:51] * @dolske goes back to his NNTP-to-Gopher gateway
799. # [06:51] <bz> dolske: e.g. it doesn't effing lose the whole archive when Thunderbird decides to delete shit
800. # [06:52] <bz> dolske: (which it's done to my normal mail a few times)
801. # [06:52] <@dolske> bz: may I recomment another mail reader? ;-)
802. # [06:52] <@dolske> <-- TB user. ;)
803. # [06:52] <bz> dolske: I've tried a number over the years
804. # [06:52] <jcranmer> NNTP is probably the best protocol for mail forums
805. # [06:52] <jcranmer> s/mail//
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807. # [06:52] <jcranmer> Google Groups is shit on a stick
808. # [06:52] <bz> dolske: the other issues are things like needing server-side filters for the smtp end to break things up correctly
809. # [06:52] <@dolske> the writing is pretty clearly on the wall that NNTP is not the protocol of the future.
810. # [06:52] <jcranmer> mailing lists are barely tolerable
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812. # [06:53] <bz> dolske: Neither is smtp id you believe people
813. # [06:53] <bz> dolske: they will claim that web forums are the way of the future
814. # [06:53] <jcranmer> most web forums are shit
815. # [06:53] <bz> dolske: which mostly means that the future sucks donkey balls.... :(
816. # [06:53] <@dolske> bz: omg you've seen the future.
817. # [06:53] <jcranmer> Google Groups replaced their horrible UI with one that is even more horrible
818. # [06:53] <bz> dolske: well, this one part of it. ;)
819. # [06:54] <jcranmer> and they staunchly refuse to provide a decent API that would let anyone else write a better UI
820. # [06:54] <bz> dolske: seriously, though, as SMTP sucks less, it becomes more usable...
821. # [06:54] <bz> dolske: but even then you get problems
822. # [06:54] <jcranmer> bz: mailing lists are still inherently flawed
823. # [06:54] <bz> dolske: want to get a unified view of the messages posted before and after you joined the list?
824. # [06:54] <bz> dolske: sucks to be you!
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826. # [06:54] <bz> dolske: joined in mid-thread? Super-sucks to be you.
827. # [06:55] <@dolske> other than Mozilla, is NNTP still a canonical source for anything else? I was a heavy news user in the distant past, but everything I read (a broad selection) moved on to other locations.
828. # [06:55] <jcranmer> seriously, NNTP solved all of these problems years ago
829. # [06:55] <jcranmer> archives? yep has them
830. # [06:55] <jcranmer> you can even search them
831. # [06:55] <bz> dolske: I think we agree on the relative frequencies of use and such
832. # [06:55] <@dolske> I don't disagree that OS/2^H^H^H^HNNTP is superior in a number of technical ways!
833. # [06:55] <bz> dolske: What I think we disagree on is the extent to which it's worth keeping our NNTP stuff alive
834. # [06:56] <bz> dolske: and the extent of the suck when trying to use the SMTP version
835. # [06:56] <@dolske> <-- former OS/2 user ;)
836. # [06:56] <bz> dolske: e.g. today I was able to join .builds and it sort of worked (except for this mail infra bug)
837. # [06:56] <jcranmer> give me a feature that can access raw TCP sockets
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839. # [06:56] <bz> dolske: whereas with SMTP I would be shit out of luck
840. # [06:56] <jcranmer> and I could write a better UI for NNTP than google groups in a month or so
841. # [06:56] <jcranmer> and I don't write UI
842. # [06:57] <jcranmer> oh wait, gmane already did that
843. # [06:57] <@dolske> eh, I'm pretty used to reading mail archives. (well, when they're available, which is a different story)
844. # [06:57] <bz> dolske: so say we had an option, when joining the list...
845. # [06:57] <bz> dolske: to just mail all the old contents or something
846. # [06:57] <@dolske> I make popcorm and read the W3C DRM stuff now and then ;)
847. # [06:57] <bz> dolske: except of course that in practice you just want the headers for most of it....
848. # [06:57] <bz> dolske: ah, there is that "used to"
849. # [06:58] <@dolske> that would me interesting.
850. # [06:58] <@dolske> *be
851. # [06:58] <bz> dolske: I mean, I'm used to getting no sleep because I have a small baby and reviewing shitty code people write
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853. # [06:58] <bz> dolske: but does that make me _happy_ about either one? Not exactly....
854. # [06:58] <bz> dolske: Can I claim Stockholm Syndrome for your SMTP usage? ;)
855. # [06:58] <@dolske> Can I claim Stockholm Syndrome for your NNTP usage? ;) ;)
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857. # [06:59] <bz> You could, sure
858. # [06:59] <bz> But you're the one talking about "used to"
859. # [07:00] <@dolske> I am old and pining for the fjords.
860. # [07:01] * @dolske reflects. I should not that's not a suicidal plea for help! :)
861. # [07:01] <@dolske> * note, sigh.
862. # [07:01] * jmontgomery_away is now known as jmontgomery
863. # [07:01] <bz> Seriously, your argument for SMTP seems to be that it doesn't suck _that_ much and people are using it a lot.
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865. # [07:02] <bz> I guess that's the argument for HTML too
866. # [07:02] <bz> But we're actively trying to de-suckify HTML
867. # [07:02] <@dolske> ha!
868. # [07:02] <bz> And I see no one trying to do that with SMTP for these use cases.
869. # [07:03] <bz> Because frankly, not many people care about the "high traffic, multiple topics, want threaded discussion, searchable, good offline support" use case
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871. # [07:03] <bz> (web forums fail spectacularly on that last one, btw)
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873. # [07:04] <@dolske> I think my general POV is that NNTP isn't a think anyone is using other that due to inertia, can be actively-hostile to newcomers, and that we'd be better off investing in investing in systems that the rest of humanity knows how to use.
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875. # [07:04] <@dolske> but like I said, unhelpful suggestion in the immediate moment! :D
876. # [07:05] <dumitru> wow ok
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878. # [07:05] * dumitru throws gas on fire
879. # [07:05] <bz> My point was that your "other than due to inertia" bit is wrong
880. # [07:05] <dumitru> why are we still using NNTP in the 21st century ?
881. # [07:05] <dumitru> :)
882. # [07:05] <bz> fuck it
883. # [07:05] * bz is now known as bz_sleep
884. # [07:05] <bz_sleep> This is just not worth it
885. # [07:06] * bz_sleep ticks the convenient "ignore bug" checkbox on the bug he just filed
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888. # [07:07] <jcranmer> great, now I can call you all sorts of nasty things and you'd never know :-)
889. # [07:07] * bz_sleep just needs to get better at ignoring all the trolls we have. :(
890. # [07:07] <bz_sleep> (including some patch review requests)
891. # [07:08] <dumitru> I asked a valid question. that's not trolling
892. # [07:09] <@dolske> I don't mean to troll (hence the repeated unhelpful-disclaimers) -- I think it's an inevitable discussion that we keep putting off, but also that until we sort out that discussion it's entirely reasonable to expect existing system to continue to work.
893. # [07:09] <dumitru> this is for my curiosity, and for the curiosity of all the other sysadmins on this planet.
894. # [07:09] <bz_sleep> dumitru: Did you read the scrollback?
895. # [07:09] <bz_sleep> dolske: fair
896. # [07:09] <dumitru> I agree with dolske. true is, we don't have a stage mail to news environment to have tested that.
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898. # [07:10] <bz_sleep> dolske: I'm just tired of pople breaking shit all the time
899. # [07:10] <bz_sleep> dolske: it's been going around a lot recently
900. # [07:10] <bz_sleep> dolske: people breaking mail, people breaking basic running of tests
901. # [07:10] <bz_sleep> dolske: and claiming that anyone doing anything different from them is an edge case they don't want to cater to
902. # [07:11] <dumitru> my Firefox crashes too, but I got used to it.
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904. # [07:11] <dumitru> systems break. people break things
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906. # [07:11] <dumitru> we are imperfect.
907. # [07:11] <dumitru> we do our best though
908. # [07:11] <bz_sleep> dumitru: breaking things happens.
909. # [07:11] <@dolske> things continuing to work is an edge case.
910. # [07:11] <dumitru> hate to see this negative reaction
911. # [07:11] <@dolske> ^ trolling ;)
912. # [07:11] <bz_sleep> dumitru: then claiming that the things that got broken are no good anyway so it's ok to break them takes some chutzpah
913. # [07:11] <dumitru> I never said that
914. # [07:12] <dumitru> don't put words in my mouth please :)
915. # [07:12] <bz_sleep> dumitru: You may not have _meant_ it, but that's how what you said was perceived.
916. # [07:12] <bz_sleep> dumitru: that's the breaks.
917. # [07:12] <dumitru> by you
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919. # [07:12] <bz_sleep> dumitru: yes, in the context of the conversation
920. # [07:12] <bz_sleep> Anyway
921. # [07:12] <@dolske> let's talk about a less controversial issue, like Firefox UI and tabs-on-bottom.
922. # [07:12] <bz_sleep> I really do need to sleep instead of engaging in this pointles conversation
923. # [07:12] <dumitru> bz_sleep: I agree.
924. # [07:13] <dumitru> you need to sleep to clear your mind
925. # [07:13] <bz_sleep> dolske: oh? Can we talk about the insane jerkiness of the search bar?
926. # [07:13] <bz_sleep> dolske: that keeps moving all my web pages randomly up and down? :(
927. # [07:13] <@dolske> sure, I'd... oh, hey, look at the time! Zzzzzz. ;)
928. # [07:13] <@dolske> also, being fixed. :)
929. # [07:13] <bz_sleep> dolske: yes, I know
930. # [07:13] <bz_sleep> dolske: I just had to downgrade nightlies and disable updates until the fix lands. :(
931. # [07:13] <bz_sleep> dolske: will need to remember to reenable...
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933. # [07:14] <@dolske> (bug 893446)
934. # [07:14] <bz_sleep> dolske: yeah, I saw
935. # [07:14] <bz_sleep> dolske: going to land before uplift?
936. # [07:14] <@dolske> good question. if not, I think we'd backout on Aurora.
937. # [07:14] <bz_sleep> dolske: fair
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953. # [07:43] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/66728b1aa975 - Timothy Nikkel - Bug 901175. Properly handle when the frame has an empty intersection with the exposed region for events. r pending roc
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1033. # [09:55] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/3ca6d03fe179 - Jonathan Kew - bug 900975 - include font-smoothing setting in the nsFont::BaseEquals comparison. r=dbaron
1034. # [09:55] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/5197eef777dd - Jonathan Kew - bug 900975 - reftest for -moz-osx-font-smoothing on display:inline element. r=dbaron
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1038. # [10:07] <Steffen> hi, can somebody please trigger a new Windows nightly on the oak branch? Testing an application update patch. The latest nightly has the patch, so I'd need a new nightly to test...
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1040. # [10:07] <Steffen> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Oak
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1060. # [10:42] <nthomas|away> that got done
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1067. # [11:07] <Ms2ger> heycam, ping
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1070. # [11:15] <heycam> Ms2ger, hi
1071. # [11:15] <Ms2ger> http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/WebIDL/#es-stringifier
1072. # [11:16] <Ms2ger> Do we need to ToString in step 6?
1073. # [11:16] <heycam> Ms2ger, I think we don't
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1075. # [11:16] <heycam> since they're IDL-level values at that point
1076. # [11:17] <heycam> instead we should be converting that value to an ES String
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1078. # [11:17] <Ms2ger> Right, I think it's conflating the two value spaces a bit
1079. # [11:17] <heycam> yeah it is
1080. # [11:17] <Ms2ger> Want to fix? :)
1081. # [11:17] <heycam> thanks; I've noted it down, but going out shopping for dinner now
1082. # [11:17] <Ms2ger> Okay, thanks
1083. # [11:18] <heycam> will get to it tmr
1084. # [11:18] <Ms2ger> Great
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1099. # [11:36] <tessarakt> hmpf
1100. # [11:36] <tessarakt> why are colors not visible in print-outs of the Bugzilla diff view for patches?
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1106. # [11:43] <Steffen> tessarakt:
1107. # [11:43] <Steffen> @media print {
1108. # [11:43] <Steffen> body {
1109. # [11:43] <Steffen> background-color: #fff;
1110. # [11:43] <Steffen> }
1111. # [11:43] <Steffen> }
1112. # [11:43] <tessarakt> hm?
1113. # [11:43] <Steffen> tessarakt: file a bug?
1114. # [11:43] <tessarakt> you think so?
1115. # [11:44] <tessarakt> yapp
1116. # [11:44] <Steffen> that's from the style sheet
1117. # [11:44] <Steffen> skins/standard/global.css
1118. # [11:45] <Steffen> http://mxr.mozilla.org/bugzilla/source/skins/standard/global.css#450
1119. # [11:47] <tessarakt> bug 901212
1120. # [11:47] <tessarakt> ok, so probably it has to go to upstream
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1122. # [11:50] <Steffen> not necessarily, we already got the Mozilla theme in bmo
1123. # [11:50] <Steffen> would make sense in upstream nonetheless
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1127. # [12:09] <gaston> glandium: so afaict, the packager first copies a 1.1Gb libxul.so from toolkit/library/libxul.so _then_ strips it (at least on m-c, still not on 23.0)?
1128. # [12:09] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/633b8597af7e - ffxbld - No bug, Automated blocklist update from host bld-linux64-ix-036 - a=blocklist-update
1129. # [12:09] <gaston> wouldnt it be simpler to strip it first ?
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1131. # [12:12] <msucan> gps: ping?
1132. # [12:12] <msucan> after latest pull from fx-team i get this: mach: error: Unable to file build information file (mozinfo.json) at this location: /home/mihai/Public/builds/firefox/fx-team/browser-opt/dist/bin/firefox/mozinfo.json
1133. # [12:13] <msucan> whenever i try to run mochitests using mach
1134. # [12:16] <glandium> gaston: that would strip it in toolkit/library which is not wanted
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1136. # [12:16] <glandium> gaston: i've been meaning to switch to objcopy, though
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1138. # [12:19] <gaston> i'm puzzled as to why 23.0 doesnt strip the beast..
1139. # [12:19] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/6139a33e013d - ffxbld - No bug, Automated blocklist update from host bld-linux64-ec2-393 - a=blocklist-update
1140. # [12:19] <gaston> oh well, now at least i've fixed the m-c breakage, i can come back to it :)
1141. # [12:19] <glandium> gaston: instrument the python script
1142. # [12:19] <gaston> i've added some debug prints and strip isnt called on libxul.so nor libmozalloc.so
1143. # [12:20] <gaston> interestingly its called on libmozgnome.so and libbrowsercomps.so (and all the binaries)
1144. # [12:20] <gaston> and libxul.so is correctly detected as ELF
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1146. # [12:20] <glandium> gaston: does dist/firefox exist when you start packaging?
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1148. # [12:22] <gaston> i'll have to redo a build to check that
1149. # [12:22] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/0a63cd911b4f - ffxbld - No bug, Automated HSTS preload list update from host bld-linux64-ec2-042 - a=hsts-update
1150. # [12:22] <gaston> i've also been thinking of the modification times..
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1152. # [12:22] <glandium> gaston: why do you need to do a build each time? don't you keep the build tree around?
1153. # [12:23] <gaston> my objdir partition is ... limited
1154. # [12:23] <glandium> gaston: disk is cheap
1155. # [12:23] <gaston> and as i do builds of releases within our portstree infrastructure, its always a clean build
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1157. # [12:23] <gaston> yeah, disk is cheap, but my aging v20z server is in a datacenter in marseille, so a disk replacement is not really planned :)
1158. # [12:24] <gaston> but if the mozilla foundation could sponsor me with an access to a decently powered server... :)
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1160. # [12:24] <wesley_> Anyone know how to make the bfcache (back-forward cache) work again once some other script has added an unload event? Tried removing them all but doesn't seem to help - http://stackoverflow.com/questions/18019418/bfcache-disabled-by-unload-events-back-forward-cache
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1164. # [12:26] <Fallen> Is there an easier way to find out which of two hg changesets is newer than to check if hg log -l2 --template '{rev} ' -r $1:$2 | awk '{ exit ($1 < $2) }' ?
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1184. # [13:00] <Ms2ger> Fallen, hmm... not all nodes in a dag are comparable, though
1185. # [13:01] <Fallen> Ms2ger: just looking for the most simple case, I need to find out if the localizer signed off Thunderbird or Calendar first
1186. # [13:01] <Fallen> I doubt the dag will be very complex there
1187. # [13:01] <Ms2ger> Yeah, true
1188. # [13:02] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/714a27789e9e - Asaf Romano - Bug 895839 - Remove support for binary annotations. r=mak. sr=gavin.
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1209. # [13:39] <glandium> Fallen: define newer
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1217. # [13:47] <Fallen> glandium: pushed at a later point in time, I guess.
1218. # [13:47] <glandium> Fallen: then you can't know
1219. # [13:48] <glandium> ah well, you can, with the id
1220. # [13:48] <glandium> assuming you have a fresh clone
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1236. # [14:05] <tessarakt> how many MB is a fresh m-c pull?
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1240. # [14:08] <froydnj> tessarakt: a little over 2GB
1241. # [14:08] <darktrojan> there's another advantage of git
1242. # [14:08] <tessarakt> compressed?
1243. # [14:08] <darktrojan> --depth 1
1244. # [14:09] <darktrojan> ditch the history
1245. # [14:09] <tessarakt> because this was actually quite fast, over HSPA connection
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1255. # [14:24] <firebot> gerv was last seen 18 hours, 34 minutes and 59 seconds ago, saying 'Six: not necessarily normal. Send me mail with examples.' in #developers.
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1277. # [14:39] <senicar> hi, is ti possible to open a specific addons description/preferences from url, something like "about:addons?id=addon@id.com"
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1281. # [14:41] <darktrojan> no
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1283. # [14:41] <darktrojan> but if you're in chrome code you can open the addons manager
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1286. # [14:42] <darktrojan> like this: browserWindow.BrowserOpenAddonsMgr("addons://detail/newtabtools@darktrojan.net/preferences")
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1289. # [14:46] <senicar> darktrojan: that would work too, gonna try it
1290. # [14:47] <darktrojan> take the /preferences off if you don't want to scroll down
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1299. # [14:53] <senicar> darktrojan: one more question, do you know a good way to get browserWindow.BrowserOpenAddonMsg in bootstrap.js (without sdk)
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1301. # [14:53] <darktrojan> yeah
1302. # [14:53] <darktrojan> Services.wm.getMostRecentWindow
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1308. # [14:54] <darktrojan> just finding an example
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1310. # [14:55] <darktrojan> https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Working_with_windows_in_chrome_code#Example_3:_Using_nsIWindowMediator_when_opener_is_not_enough
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1312. # [14:55] <darktrojan> you can use Services.wm instead of lines 1-2
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1314. # [14:56] <darktrojan> if you've got Services that is
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1318. # [15:02] <reuben> mercurial 2.7 is here!
1319. # [15:03] <reuben> http://mercurial.selenic.com/wiki/WhatsNew#Mercurial_2.7_.282013-08-01.29
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1322. # [15:05] <reuben> nsm++
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1324. # [15:05] <senicar> darktrojan: Thanks, I hope I'll make it work. I got service, just could find much documentation on BrowserOpenAddonMsg :)
1325. # [15:05] <senicar> *Services
1326. # [15:06] <darktrojan> naming it right would help
1327. # [15:06] <darktrojan> I doubt theres any docs but the function itself is here http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/browser/base/content/browser.js#6120
1328. # [15:07] <senicar> *BrowserOpenAddonsMgr :)
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1461. # [18:06] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/58c2fb8fb2c2 - Matt Brubeck - Bug 901175 - Test to verify that covered elements are not clickable [r=roc]
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1486. # [18:37] <d0kt0r1> hi all!
1487. # [18:37] <d0kt0r1> reading through the coding style guidelines I found this:
1488. # [18:37] <d0kt0r1> "Forward declare classes in your header files instead of including them whenever possible. For example, if you have an interface with a void DoSomething(nsIContent* aContent) function, forward declare with class nsIContent; instead of #include "nsIContent.h""
1489. # [18:37] <d0kt0r1> I do not really understand this guideline to be frank
1490. # [18:37] <d0kt0r1> thanks
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1499. # [18:43] <nsm> reuben: what context did you ++ me in?
1500. # [18:44] <reuben> nsm: webidl for push stuck
1501. # [18:44] <nsm> reuben: haha, ok :)
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1504. # [18:47] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/2d80e7cf6e09 - Wes Kocher - Bug 901239 - Uplift Add-on SDK to Firefox r=me
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1506. # [18:48] <briansmith> My linking on Windows became very slow. Did you disable incremental linking again recently?
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1527. # [19:22] <froydnj> gaston: do you have an account on the gcc compile farm?
1528. # [19:22] <KWierso|Home> :\
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1530. # [19:26] <atuljangra> !seen gerv
1531. # [19:26] <firebot> gerv was last seen 23 hours, 37 minutes and 5 seconds ago, saying 'Six: not necessarily normal. Send me mail with examples.' in #developers.
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1533. # [19:27] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/ea053dd62478 - Matt Woodrow - Bug 881634 - Only use a single snapshot with DrawTargetSkia. r=Bas
1534. # [19:27] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/779afd60e520 - Matt Woodrow - Bug 900133 - Recreate the TextureClient for an ImageClient if the image size changes. r=nical
1535. # [19:27] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/fa5a3c887c7b - Matt Woodrow - Bug 900133 - Make sure we always call OnTransaction when we might recreate textures. r=nical
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1537. # [19:27] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/64ab855db547 - Matt Woodrow - Bug 900133 - Add TEXTURE_IMMEDIATE_UPLOAD to avoid racing when single buffered. r=nical
1538. # [19:28] <KWierso|Home> looking at the jetpack failures
1539. # [19:28] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/760e66b2908e - Matt Woodrow - Bug 893302 - Implement CanvasClient2D on top of NewTextures. r=nical
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1541. # [19:28] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/a525086d0bf2 - Matt Woodrow - Bug 893302 - Rename the CanvasClient class to include Deprecated so we can implement one on top of NewTextureHost. r=nical
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1558. # [19:42] <mbrubeck> KWierso|Home: Are you on that Jetpack orange already?
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1560. # [19:42] <KWierso|Home> mbrubeck: yeah
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1562. # [19:42] <KWierso|Home> no clue why it broke, it was passing on the jetpack tree just fine last night
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1566. # [19:43] <atuljangra> !seen gerv
1567. # [19:43] <firebot> gerv was last seen 23 hours, 54 minutes and 34 seconds ago, saying 'Six: not necessarily normal. Send me mail with examples.' in #developers.
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1574. # [19:46] <tn> KWierso|Home, i think your landing caused orange
1575. # [19:46] <KWierso|Home> tn: yep
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1577. # [19:46] <tn> oh, i could have just looked up a few inches, oops
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1580. # [19:53] <KWierso|Home> mbrubeck: well, that's upsetting, I can't reproduce locally :\
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1583. # [19:55] <KWierso|Home> out I go, I guess
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1586. # [19:57] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/0dbbfff22016 - Wes Kocher - Backed out changeset 2d80e7cf6e09 (bug 901239) for Jetpack bustage.
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1597. # [20:13] <KWierso|Home> okay, it passes locally with the build immediately prior to my original push...
1598. # [20:13] <KWierso|Home> wtf
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1649. # [21:50] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/aee889a42555 - Bill McCloskey - Bug 897066 - In e10s builds, some pages should be loaded in the chrome process (r=gavin)
1650. # [21:50] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/45cd37a5b834 - Bill McCloskey - Bug 897066 - Underline tab titles if the tab is remote (r=gavin)
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1674. # [22:13] <robertbindar> Did anyone face this error: "/usr/bin/ld: fatal error: libxul.so: mmap: failed to allocate 984342404 bytes for output file: Cannot allocate memory" ? This happened when I used ccache
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1676. # [22:14] <Mook> robertbindar: are you on a 32 bit system?
1677. # [22:15] <Mook> (if you can, try using gold instead of ld; that might use less memory)
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1681. # [22:17] <robertbindar> Mook: yes, I'm on 32bit and I also use gold
1682. # [22:19] <robertbindar> Mook: I tried without ccache and it works fine(a lot more compiling time though), but with it just kept giving me that error
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