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34. # [00:13] <evilpie> NeilAway: ping
35. # [00:15] <glandium> Waldo: i'm okay with unifying mfbt and mozglue, but keeping mfbt as a set of (separate) headers still would have value
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40. # [00:16] <Waldo> glandium: it seems like extra complexity to me, for unclear value, especially if we accept your assertion that JS not using mozglue is a bug
41. # [00:16] <Waldo> also seems somewhat limiting
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43. # [00:16] <froydnj> bother, pgo build bustage on my try push
44. # [00:17] <Waldo> if mozilla::Vector gets widespread use, we're probably going to want to have a single mozilla::Vector<T*> implementation, which would have to live in some sort of library somewhere
45. # [00:17] <Waldo> just for example
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47. # [00:17] <glandium> Waldo: mmm fair enough
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71. # [00:25] <NeilAway> evilpie: pong
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73. # [00:25] <evilpie> sorry are you the Neil that can help me with bug 895957?
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75. # [00:27] <NeilAway> evilpie: depends on what sort of help you want
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77. # [00:27] <evilpie> reviews/feedback
78. # [00:27] <NeilAway> evilpie: I can tell you that docShell->DoCommand(ToNewCString(aCommand)); is an instant leak, you want to use aCommand.get() instead
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80. # [00:28] <evilpie> ok
81. # [00:28] <NeilAway> evilpie: wait, you've got a wide string there, now I know why you tried ToNewCString
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83. # [00:28] <NeilAway> evilpie: is there any chance you can use an nsCString& instead?
84. # [00:28] <evilpie> please add your nickname to bugzilla, that would be very helpful
85. # [00:29] <evilpie> I am not sure if ipdl supports that
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88. # [00:30] <NeilAway> evilpie: is TabParent::GetControllers a left-over from something?
89. # [00:30] <evilpie> no that is called in nsWindowRoot.cpp
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91. # [00:31] <NeilAway> evilpie: oh right I see it now
92. # [00:33] <evilpie> thanks for looking
93. # [00:36] <NeilAway> evilpie: hmm, how does a TabParent object get created?
94. # [00:36] <evilpie> why is that important?
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96. # [00:37] <evilpie> I am not sure where, sometimes when creating a new remote browser
97. # [00:37] <evilpie> I thinks somewhere in the frameloader
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103. # [00:40] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/b5319d82251e - Benoit Girard - Bug 873378 - Add a limit on mobile of 20 layers per container layer. r=roc
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125. # [00:51] <ialagenchev> I need to send an nsIScriptError to the ConsoleService from inside an idl, but nsIScriptError is now dependent on nsDependentCString. What's a good way to get around that?
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131. # [00:52] <@gavin> ialagenchev: I do not understand the question
132. # [00:52] <Mook_as> ialagenchev: it's dependent on nsDependentCString?
133. # [00:52] <@gavin> what do you mean by "inside and IDL"
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135. # [00:52] <ialagenchev> too many questions :-)
136. # [00:53] <ialagenchev> gavin: from inside the cpp that implements the idl
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138. # [00:53] <Mook_as> ialagenchev: it's the same question: "we don't understand your question"
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140. # [00:53] <ialagenchev> dependent as in references it
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144. # [00:53] <bent> Mook_as, that's not a question ;)
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147. # [00:53] <Mook_as> bent: ... ?
148. # [00:53] <Mook_as> there, now it's a very drawn out question :p
149. # [00:53] <ialagenchev> lol
150. # [00:53] * bent goes back to bothering other people :)
151. # [00:54] <@gavin> ialagenchev: so you probably want code like http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/content/base/src/EventSource.cpp#933 ?
152. # [00:54] <ialagenchev> Mook_as: gavin I need to some how call LogMessage from the console service
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154. # [00:54] <ialagenchev> Mook_as: that still uses nsIScriptError, every time I include it inside my idl it complains that it doesn't know what nsDependentCString is
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159. # [00:56] <Mook_as> ialagenchev: #include <nsStringGlue.h>?
160. # [00:56] <ialagenchev> Mook_as: thanks I will try that
161. # [00:57] <evilpie> NeilAway: thank you very much!
162. # [00:57] * Mook_as notes that https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/nsDependentCString is pretty exhaustive and yet pretty useless for this case :p
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168. # [01:01] <ialagenchev> Mook_as: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/js/xpconnect/idl/nsIScriptError.idl#93
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170. # [01:01] <ialagenchev> Mook_as: I can't do much about it :_)
171. # [01:02] <jedp> if i have a worker script hosted at http://somewhere.com/my_worker.js, is there a way to load that in chrome with a "new Worker(remoteURI)"?
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173. # [01:03] <Mook_as> ialagenchev: no, I meant the documentation on devmo is pretty useless
174. # [01:03] <ialagenchev> Mook_as: gotcha
175. # [01:03] <Mook_as> (as in, it doesn't tell you what to include)
176. # [01:04] <ialagenchev> Mook_as: right :-)
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178. # [01:05] <ialagenchev> Mook_as: FYI the nsStringGlue.h was what I needed
179. # [01:05] <ialagenchev> Mook_as: should the nsIScriptError.idl #include the nsStringGlue.h by default?
180. # [01:06] <Mook_as> ialagenchev: I'd avoid it, too messy :p
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184. # [01:07] <ialagenchev> Mook_as: I find it weird that I have to include a .h to get another .h to compiler correctly. And the intuition leads to nsStringAPI.h, which is the wrong one in this case.
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189. # [01:10] <Mook_as> ialagenchev: I'm just used to mozilla headers being insane, I think :p
190. # [01:11] <Waldo> anyone around responsible for window.performance.now at all? someone triaged bug 902216 into JS, but it clearly doesn't belong there; I could do Core:DOM, but it's just calling XPCOM TimeStamp::Now(), so I'm unsure that it shouldn't be Core:XPCOM
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192. # [01:13] <ialagenchev> Mook_as: slowly but surely getting used to it too :-)
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205. # [01:18] <evilpie> which component is addon code?
206. # [01:18] <evilpie> like addon install etc.
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208. # [01:18] <ckerschb> jduell: ping
209. # [01:19] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/a165a59f5316 - Bill McCloskey - Bug 899222 - Make about:home work via message passing (r=felipe).
210. # [01:19] <Mook_as> evilpie: Toolkit :: Add-ons Manager I think?
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215. # [01:20] <evilpie> is there still xpinstall engine?
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221. # [01:21] <evilpie> for some reason I can't find Installer: XPInstall Engine in Core
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225. # [01:22] <evilpie> oh bugzilla fail
226. # [01:22] <glob> \o/
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228. # [01:22] <glob> wait
229. # [01:23] <glob> evilpie, is there a bugzilla issue you want me to look at?
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231. # [01:23] <evilpie> The component doesn't update after I change the product
232. # [01:24] <glob> evilpie, yeah, two step process :(
233. # [01:25] <evilpie> why can't that fetch the components with ajax after the product changes?
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236. # [01:26] <glob> evilpie, that is a long story. let's just go with "bugzilla fail" for now
237. # [01:26] <evilpie> ... :)
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242. # [01:28] <eeejay> Mossop, hey. as sheriff, i have been told to notify you about https://github.com/mozilla-b2g/b2g-manifest/commit/32f2a53f87bfe82909d808f4e1c353769b028725
243. # [01:28] <eeejay> Mossop, i hope it all goes well :)
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252. # [01:31] <@dbaron> Is this line:
253. # [01:31] <@dbaron> SyntaxError: missing ) after argument list
254. # [01:31] <@dbaron> which is showing up in tbpl output
255. # [01:31] <@dbaron> the result of a tbpl bug, or something that's actual test output?
256. # [01:31] <@dbaron> (er, showing up in tbplbot bugzilla comments)
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258. # [01:33] * Mook_as doesn't see it in https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=831404#c223 as a random pick of a recent orange on inbound...
259. # [01:34] <@dbaron> IT's happening in 899349 pretty reliably the last few days
260. # [01:35] <Mook_as> and https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=26193338&tree=Fx-Team seems to indicate that it's in the log. (in 232095-1.xul line 15)
261. # [01:36] <Mook_as> which would be http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/content/xbl/crashtests/232095-1.xul#15 trying to use double quotes inside a double-quoted string?
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266. # [01:39] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/7737a1669f88 - ffxbld - Automated checkin: version bump for firefox 24.0b1 release. DONTBUILD CLOSED TREE a=release
267. # [01:39] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/7ffd6eef5fff - ffxbld - Added FIREFOX_24_0b1_RELEASE FIREFOX_24_0b1_BUILD2 tag(s) for changeset 7737a1669f88. DONTBUILD CLOSED TREE a=release
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273. # [01:44] <@ted> edmorley, RyanVM: did you see dbaron's question above?
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275. # [01:44] <@dbaron> I think Mook_as answered it
276. # [01:45] <RyanVM> dbaron: I've seen that in the logs and had made a mental note to look at it, but hadn't gotten much further yet
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278. # [01:45] <RyanVM> dbaron: it's a real thing in the log
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280. # [01:45] <RyanVM> tbpl is seeing it only recently due to some changes to the log parser exposing more errors than it used to
281. # [01:45] <RyanVM> see bug 892958 and dependencies
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301. # [01:56] <RyanVM> Mook_as: dbaron: so to fix that, we just need to escape the inner quotes, right?
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304. # [01:59] <Mook_as> RyanVM: yes, or use single quotes instead
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307. # [01:59] <RyanVM> easy enough
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309. # [02:00] <Mook_as> and then, because it was a previously broken test, actually fix whatever the test was supposed to be doing and any regressions that were uncaught :p
310. # [02:00] <corey> Mook_as: reading bug 232095, it sounds as though having the method not compile is part of the crash, or something?
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312. # [02:01] <Mook_as> corey: oh, hmm, right
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314. # [02:01] <Mook_as> RyanVM: so... it's an intentional syntax error, maybe?
315. # [02:01] <RyanVM> hmm
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317. # [02:01] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/9c91adcdc328 - Guillaume Abadie - bug 893180 - [WebGL 2.0] gl.vertexAttribDivisor (GL_ARB_instanced_array) - r=jgilbert
318. # [02:02] <Mossop> eeejay: What?
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321. # [02:02] <Mossop> evilpie: XPInstall Engine is basically dead, I don't think there should be any new bugs filed there
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323. # [02:03] <RyanVM> Mook_as: filed bug 902239 for it
324. # [02:03] <evilpie> Mossop: bug 870625 do what you think :)
325. # [02:03] <RyanVM> hopefully bz_away can shed some light on it :)
326. # [02:03] <RyanVM> we can always add the failure to a blacklist if needed
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339. # [02:09] <Mossop> eeejay: If you think I am the sheriff then you are mistaken
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344. # [02:11] <RyanVM> Mossop: btw, good timing on the windows b2g bug follow-up yesterday. I was just thinking about pinging you on that
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347. # [02:12] <Mossop> RyanVM: Yeah. Been slow going, partly due to work weeks but I think I at least have a guess at what the problem is now
348. # [02:12] <RyanVM> nice!
349. # [02:12] <Mossop> Tomorrow I should have some spare time to follow-up
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353. # [02:16] <marco> glandium: ping
354. # [02:16] <glandium> marco: pong
355. # [02:16] <marco> glandium: hi, I was looking at bug 851217
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357. # [02:17] <marco> apparently brand.dtd is needed to localize some XUL files in toolkit
358. # [02:18] <marco> we don't have brand.dtd (and brand.properties) for the webapp runtime
359. # [02:19] <corey> I'm looking at a method with an nsRefPtr local variable, and I want to pull out much of the body of this method into a new method - which will use (but not modify) said pointer. Should I pass the pointer as an nsRefPtr again, or a T* const, or ...?
360. # [02:19] <marco> but I don't see why brand.dtd is needed there
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362. # [02:20] <glandium> marco: none of the entities declared in brand.dtd are used in unknownContentType.xul
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364. # [02:21] <glandium> marco: commented in the bug
365. # [02:21] <marco> glandium: thank you ;)
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367. # [02:25] <marco> glandium: ah, no, it's used in unknownContentType.dtd
368. # [02:25] <marco> "What should &brandShortName; do with this file?"
369. # [02:26] <glandium> marco: well, obviously, that string doesn't work very well in an app
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373. # [02:27] <marco> glandium: yeah, I guess so
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376. # [02:27] <marco> glandium: can we override only a subset of strings?
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378. # [02:28] <tbsaunde> corey: t* would be the standard thing to do, I guess t* const or const t * const is fine if you can
379. # [02:28] <glandium> marco: you can only override the entire file
380. # [02:28] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/7f28258bc04f - Blake Kaplan - Bug 898926 - Add reftest. r=sicking
381. # [02:28] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/ec3734c7c17f - Blake Kaplan - Bug 898926 - xbl:children elements are insertion points if they're inactive. r=sicking
382. # [02:28] <corey> tbsaunde: ok, thanks
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385. # [02:29] <marco> glandium: should I override it in the toolkit/mozapps/.. directory or can I do that from webapprt/.. ?
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387. # [02:29] <glandium> marco: you can do that from webapprt, but i'd advise against that
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389. # [02:30] <glandium> marco: it seems more sensible to have that rephrased
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392. # [02:32] <marco> glandium: thank you again
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396. # [02:34] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/ef8348f88821 - Andrew McCreight - Bug 866569 - Unlink nsXULPrototypeNodes more aggressively. r=smaug
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402. # [02:37] <jgilbert> what's the easiest way to build for win32 on a win64 machine?
403. # [02:38] <glandium> jgilbert: start with the right script from mozilla build
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405. # [02:39] <jgilbert> weird, when I sent it to the winxp test machine, it says it's not a valid executable
406. # [02:39] <jgilbert> but it appears to run as 32bit
407. # [02:40] <@ted> jgilbert: should just work
408. # [02:40] <@ted> jgilbert: are you building with VS2012?
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410. # [02:41] <jgilbert> ted: msvc11
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416. # [02:44] <jgilbert> ted: should I be building with 2012?
417. # [02:44] <jgilbert> ted: it still seems crazy that a binary that works on my machine is not working on an XP machine
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420. # [02:45] <@ted> jgilbert: msvc11 == vc2012
421. # [02:45] <@ted> jgilbert: vc2012 doesn't build xp-compatible binaries
422. # [02:45] <@ted> "thanks obama"
423. # [02:45] <jgilbert> :|
424. # [02:45] <glandium> ted: it does, with the right setup
425. # [02:45] * jgilbert burns down a tree
426. # [02:45] <@ted> reportedly sp1 adds a way to build xp-compatible binaries
427. # [02:46] <@ted> but i don't know anyone that's done that
428. # [02:46] <glandium> ted: didn't ehsan look into that?
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431. # [02:46] <@ted> glandium: not sure
432. # [02:47] <jgilbert> ted: what about 2010?
433. # [02:47] <@ted> that works fine
434. # [02:47] <jgilbert> we dropped support for 2008, right?
435. # [02:47] <jgilbert> I seem to remember trying to build with that and getting errors
436. # [02:47] <@ted> yes
437. # [02:47] <@ted> we support 2010 and 2012 right now
438. # [02:47] <jgilbert> alright, gotta go grab 2010 then :\
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450. # [02:56] <@gavin> Jesse: do you have a tool for converting your fuzz testcases into crashtests?
451. # [02:56] <@gavin> Jesse: I'm asking for https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=897399, specifically :)
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478. # [03:07] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/b487df56bcfe - Mark Hammond - Bug 897811 - remove browser.pageThumbs.enabled preference. r=gavin
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480. # [03:07] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/40529527fa04 - Mark Hammond - Bug 897408 - remove erroneous style.removeProperty call in Site.prototype.refreshThumbnail. r=ttaubert
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484. # [03:11] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/91deaaca140a - Shu-yu Guo - Bug 901313 - Fix ursh VM call in PJS. (r=bhackett)
485. # [03:11] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/c70720eea645 - Shu-yu Guo - Bug 901389 - Pass length correctly in creating rest argument template objects in Ion. (r=bhackett)
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501. # [03:19] <jgilbert> ted: any idea why it's giving me " LINK : fatal error LNK1104: cannot open file 'kernel32.lib' "?
502. # [03:20] <@dolske> you get that if you're down to zero hearts before collecting the whole triforce.
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506. # [03:21] <qDot> Windows linking seems less Zelda and more Superman 64.
507. # [03:24] <@dolske> Not Atari E.T.?
508. # [03:24] * @dolske watches PGO fall into a pit
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511. # [03:26] <jgilbert> evidently, I need to point it at the old version of the SDK
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521. # [03:31] <JonathanS> Mozilla has caught an Obj-C exception [NSInvalidArgumentException: *** -[__NSArrayM insertObject:atIndex:]: object cannot be nil] bug?
522. # [03:32] <@gavin> that's https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=901921
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524. # [03:35] <JonathanS> gavin, it showing it is fixed.
525. # [03:36] <@gavin> yes, see the comments in the bug
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527. # [03:37] <JonathanS> gavin, I see. Full Update required.
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532. # [03:41] <nthomas> should I pull a days partials or something ?
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548. # [03:49] <nthomas> gavin: what are the paths people can have taken to busted builds ? old -> busted -> fixed (via partial), which is still busted ?
549. # [03:49] <nthomas> old -> fixed never had a problem
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551. # [03:50] <JonathanS> nthomas, full update would able to fix a problem
552. # [03:50] <@roc> My "ACTION REQUIRED" summit registration email got filed in my Spam folder by GMail :-(
553. # [03:50] <nthomas> yes, I'm trying to make sure I get everyone
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555. # [03:50] <@roc> GMail says "Warning! Similar messages were used to steal people's personal information!"
556. # [03:50] <nthomas> but maybe avoid forcing fixed people to d/l 65MB
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558. # [03:51] <JonathanS> nthomas, according to one comment, partial update didn't fixed it
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560. # [03:51] <nthomas> just for a lark, assume I know a lot more about updates than you do
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562. # [03:51] <JonathanS> :P
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565. # [03:54] <marco> glandium: how can I override a dtd file?
566. # [03:54] <marco> so that it's overriden only for the webapp runtime
567. # [03:54] <glandium> marco: override in the chrome.manifest
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569. # [03:55] <glandium> marco: which, in the source tree, would be in jar.mn
570. # [03:55] <glandium> marco: but again, i'd advise against it
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573. # [03:55] <tbsaunde> froydnj: I was about to ask why on earth we build tracemalloc in pgo builds
574. # [03:55] <marco> glandium: what would you do?
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576. # [03:55] <glandium> marco: rephrase
577. # [03:55] <marco> ah ok :D
578. # [03:56] <marco> who can review a rephrase?
579. # [03:56] <glandium> marco: good question, i don't know ; you'd have to change the entity name, too
580. # [03:56] <glandium> marco: i guess a toolkit peer
581. # [03:57] <marco> should I change also the entity name?
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583. # [03:57] <glandium> marco: yes
584. # [03:57] <marco> ok
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588. # [03:58] <marco> why? To notify localizers that the string changed?
589. # [03:58] <@dolske> yes.
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591. # [04:01] <Jerry> glandium: hi, I have tried the PrintStackFrame with NS_StackWalk. But it is not working.
592. # [04:02] <Jerry> glandium: I got error code NS_ERROR_FAILURE(0X80004005) from NS_StackWalk()
593. # [04:02] <Jerry> glandium: This is my code: NS_StackWalk(PrintStackFrame,0,0,stderr,0,nullptr);
594. # [04:02] <glandium> Jerry: ah, i saw your mail, didn't have time to take a look
595. # [04:03] <glandium> Jerry: try to check what the error code corresponds to and what code path leads to it
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599. # [04:05] <Jerry> glandium: Thanks. I will check the code path.
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621. # [04:19] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/c10f42301689 - Nikhil Marathe - Bug 902257 - Include header file for Func attribute in WebIDL codegen. r=bz
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625. # [04:22] <Jesse> gavin: yes, but it only works for testcases that don't require any changes to become crashtests. so it wouldn't help much here.
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627. # [04:24] <db48x> I remember reading a paper that explored the semantics of PHPs references by reimplementing them in a theorem prover, but I can't find it again
628. # [04:24] <db48x> does anyone else remember that?
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654. # [04:42] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/8dc0904666fd - David Dahl - Bug 824652 - crypto.generateCRMFRequest bypasses CSP (allows script execution from a string, without unsafe-eval) r=bsmith r=khuey r=keeler
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665. # [04:48] <allstarschh> hi, is any sheriff here ?
666. # [04:48] <markh> I'm hitting a crash in mochi and I'm seeing a stack track in the test output, but it has no symbols. I've added 'ac_add_options --enable-debug-symbols
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668. # [04:48] <markh> to .,mozconfig but still failing to see them. Any ideas?
669. # [04:49] <markh> (sadly the crash doesn't repro in a full debug build)
670. # [04:49] <philor> allstarschh: what's up?
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673. # [04:50] <allstarschh> philor: hi, Bug 883741 , I 've pushed into b2g-inbound 2 days ago, but it seems not check into m-c yet?
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675. # [04:50] <allstarschh> philor: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=883741#c92
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677. # [04:51] <philor> allstarschh: https://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/8aafb671f1e9 seems to exist
678. # [04:52] <allstarschh> philor: oh great, thanks
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680. # [04:52] * philor bets on "Tomcat didn't run mcMerge on https://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/pushloghtml?changeset=8aafb671f1e9 and mark them"
681. # [04:52] <allstarschh> philor: do I need to put the rev in m-c on the bug by myself ?
682. # [04:53] <@gavin> nthomas: I'm not sure offhand
683. # [04:53] <@gavin> nthomas: was hoping rstrong would be around to clarify
684. # [04:53] <philor> allstarschh: I'm just about to do it the normal way, just need to check whether it's just your bug or more than one
685. # [04:53] <nthomas> gavin: s'ok, everyone who's ok can just suck it up
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687. # [04:53] <allstarschh> philor: okay, thanks, then I'll leave that to you.
688. # [04:54] <nrc> philor: I think it is more than one, I am missing the m-c rev and closure for some of my bugs where patches landed over the weekend
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691. # [04:55] <markh> and gid knows we need closure!
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693. # [04:55] <mjrosenb|ARM> has anyone noticed that when rendering animated gifs, fx will sometimes decided to show the first few frames
694. # [04:56] <mjrosenb|ARM> then skip to the end of the animation
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696. # [04:56] <mjrosenb|ARM> and after a while, finally show the whole thing?
697. # [04:57] <ddahl> philor: i think my latest inbound push will fail in M(1) becasue i forgot to add the new test to excludetests - is it ok if I just add it in a quick followup push or should I just wait for sheriffs to backout?
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700. # [04:57] <ddahl> philor: in M(1) only for B2G
701. # [04:57] <philor> ddahl: fix it is fine
702. # [04:58] <ddahl> philor: right-o!
703. # [04:58] <philor> nrc: gimme a bug number
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705. # [04:58] <nrc> philor: bug 874721
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707. # [04:59] <philor> there was some bug I didn't bother reading the patch for, about telling mcMerge that b2g-inbound exists, maybe someone has a list of unmarked merges and just hasn't done them yet, dunno
708. # [05:00] <philor> oh, that's an inbound merge?
709. # [05:00] <philor> mmm, with landings and backouts and landings and backouts
710. # [05:00] <nrc> heh
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712. # [05:01] <nrc> but it did land on inbound
713. # [05:01] <nrc> and it made it to m-c
714. # [05:01] <nrc> but doesn't have an m-c merge rev
715. # [05:01] <nrc> the last backout is just for one line
716. # [05:02] <nrc> philor: alos bug 899435
717. # [05:03] <nrc> they both landed in one rollup patch, not sure if that confused a script somewhere
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721. # [05:05] <philor> other stuff in that merge was marked, I suspect either the script or the user of the script just threw up his or its hands
722. # [05:06] <nrc> ah, can't really blame either script or person for that
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724. # [05:08] <ddahl> philor: gah! qfinished without a commit message. I am screwed.
725. # [05:08] <@khuey> hg qimport -r tip
726. # [05:08] <Callek> khuey beat me to it
727. # [05:08] <philor> probably thirty people were typing it at once :)
728. # [05:08] <Callek> I do that _all_ the time
729. # [05:08] <Callek> or paste in the wrong commit message
730. # [05:09] <Callek> or forget CLOSED TREE
731. # [05:09] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/fba5c857adb6 - Randell Jesup - Bug 901527: reset the resampler on rate change r=jmspeex
732. # [05:09] <Callek> or any number of other silly social rules we have
733. # [05:09] <mjrosenb|ARM> are there hooks in m-i to prevent someone from pushing without qref'ing?
734. # [05:11] <Callek> mjrosenb|ARM: there are various hooks, I forget which specific instances matter though
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736. # [05:12] <tbsaunde> mjrosenb|ARM: you mean to disallow pushing while you have any uncommited changes? no
737. # [05:12] * tbsaunde may or may not have burned trees because of this
738. # [05:12] <ddahl> khuey: thx
739. # [05:12] <ddahl> philor: fixed it;)
740. # [05:13] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/616e6e640f43 - David Dahl - test only change b2g excludetests for bug 824652 r=philor r=ddahl
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743. # [05:14] <philor> though there are people who have their own practices to keep themselves from doing it, by not changing the commit message to pass hooks until their final qref
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745. # [05:14] <mjrosenb|ARM> err, do'h
746. # [05:14] <mjrosenb|ARM> I meant qfin
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749. # [05:14] <mjrosenb|ARM> so that you can't push your patch queue.
750. # [05:14] <@gavin> hg stops you from pushing without qfinishing
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752. # [05:15] <@gavin> abort: source has mq patches applied
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755. # [05:17] <mjrosenb|ARM> ok, because I remembe reading that pushing without qfinishing was a *really* bad idea.
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757. # [05:17] <mjrosenb|ARM> maybe it is pulling from a repo with patches applied?
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763. # [05:23] <jgilbert> ted: fwiw, limitting my windows SDK version to <8.0 seems to work, so far
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769. # [05:29] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/b8f4739d9ff6 - Robert O'Callahan - Bug 898940. Test. r=jaws
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798. # [05:56] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/df2948e126d1 - Nicholas Nethercote - Bug 902251 - Use |hg manifest -q| in check_spidermonkey_style.py. r=gps.
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831. # [06:21] <tbsaunde> a4/win 29
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837. # [06:37] <philor> markh: guess what?
838. # [06:37] <markh> oh dear
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840. # [06:40] <markh> philor: making browser_blocklist perma-orange?
841. # [06:40] <markh> hmmm - I can't see what I did
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843. # [06:41] <philor> markh: perhaps, just landed at the wrong time, and this is actually some ongoing infra problem I haven't yet seen
844. # [06:42] <philor> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=901872#c5
845. # [06:43] <markh> right - those checkins didn't touch anything related
846. # [06:43] <philor> though I'd be more inclined to call that "some horrible misbehavior on the part of the test, for which there is only intermittently the proper punishment delivered"
847. # [06:43] <markh> I wonder if that test reaches out on the network for the blocklist?
848. # [06:45] <Luqman> is there a way to update nightly without going through the menu?
849. # [06:46] <KWierso|Home> Luqman: idly updating?
850. # [06:46] <philor> another fun thing you can do is fail when a DNS lookup that you don't actually need times out, that's a very popular one
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852. # [06:46] <markh> heh - and I bet that would be obvious (not!)
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854. # [06:47] <markh> philor: so I'd be hugely surprised if that push caused that test to get worse, but I've been surprised before ;) So no problem from me if you decide to back them out anyway just to see.
855. # [06:48] * markh should have pushed them to fx-team anyway!
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857. # [06:49] * philor is more likely to disable the test, if it doesn't get better right quicklike
858. # [06:49] * markh votes for that!
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860. # [06:51] <tbsaunde> n/win 29
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862. # [06:52] <@khuey> markh++
863. # [06:54] <markh> yeah - what a party-pooper :)
864. # [06:56] <@khuey> markh: that was for trolling dolske ;-)
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867. # [06:57] <markh> yeah :)
868. # [06:57] <markh> dolske's the party-pooper :p
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901. # [07:27] <avih> roc: widget/windows/nsUXThemeData.cpp already loads/checks dwmapi.dll and appears like a good candidate to host the GetCompositionTimingInfo API. did you duplicate its loading in DwmDll.h/cpp to avoid pulling in too much unrelated stuff?
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911. # [07:32] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/2f380c0d1670 - Randell Jesup - Bug 901527: null pointer when resetting a resampler r=roc
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920. # [07:35] <mjrosenb|ARM> nooo, burnt electrons is timing out
921. # [07:35] <mjrosenb|ARM> what will I do with my time now?
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925. # [07:37] <@roc> avih: I pulled the code out of nsRefreshDriver so I could use it in LayerManagerD3D10 as well.
926. # [07:37] <@roc> I didn't know it was already duplicated :-)
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928. # [07:37] <@roc> in fact didn't *you* duplicate it in nsRefreshDriver.cpp? :-)
929. # [07:38] <avih> roc: neither did I when I copied it from Bas' original patch :)
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932. # [07:38] <ddahl> thanks for marking that failure, philor
933. # [07:38] <avih> roc: but now _I_ have to review it, so i can't slack ;)
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943. # [07:44] <@roc> hmm nsUXThemeData::Teardown is never called...
944. # [07:47] <@roc> really I think all that stuff should move out of nsUXThemeData into ... hmm ... WinUtils.h?
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946. # [07:48] <avih> roc: that's bas' original patch: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=731657&action=diff . it was placed originally within widget to use the proper window for the timing into.
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951. # [07:50] <@roc> why did you duplicate the DWM DLL loading then?
952. # [07:50] <avih> but it was hard to access the right widget object from the static refresh driver TimerTick handler
953. # [07:50] <@roc> do you agree with my suggestion of putting it into WinUtils.h?
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956. # [07:50] <avih> yes, sounds good.
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959. # [07:51] <avih> also, after you left yesterday, i kept trying the missed frames detection, and your final patch appeared to detect less missed frames than what i visually noticed.
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966. # [07:54] <avih> roc: I was about to try reverting elements (the window/0, the member of timing info used (cRefresh vs cRefreshesCounted usage), but got pulled away by australis tab animation regression shenanigans and didn't actually get to it...
967. # [07:54] <@roc> hmm
968. # [07:55] <@roc> playing with the member used might help.
969. # [07:55] <@roc> I'm pretty sure providing the HWND is just a lose.
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974. # [07:57] <avih> very possible. i'm not even sure if there we differences in detection or that maybe with the earlier patch i didn't test enough, but i know for a fact that with the last one yesterday ("even more correct patch") wasn't detecting all of the missed frames.
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977. # [07:58] <@roc> you could try cDXRefresh.
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980. # [08:00] <avih> why not revert to the cRefreshesCount as a first try?
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982. # [08:00] <@roc> you mean cRefreshesDisplayed?
983. # [08:00] <avih> yeah, sorry
984. # [08:01] <@roc> IIRC that's zero when you don't pass an HWND
985. # [08:01] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/eb14a99fbacb - Masayuki Nakano - Bug 893973 nsIWidget::SetInputContext() should check it has focus before calling secure event input API r=smichaud
986. # [08:01] <avih> oh.
987. # [08:03] <avih> roc: anyway, the thing is that bug 902024 got too much attention and i should follow it up and provide some tools for vlad etc, and i'm supposed to drop other stuff until i don't block it anymore. so i put that aside.
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989. # [08:04] <@roc> that's fine
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992. # [08:05] <avih> thanks. i'll get back to trying out different approaches and recheck the earlier patch for detection rates later. maybe tomorrow or on friday. are you ok with that?
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994. # [08:06] <@roc> of course
995. # [08:06] <avih> k. thanks. i'll update the bug with the info I have and get back to it a bit later.
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999. # [08:07] <markh> hrm - https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/ChromeWorker tells me I can use XPCOM.createInstance() from chrome workers, but that seems a lie. Can anyone confirm if that is a lie?
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1034. # [08:35] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/2fcbc0a619f2 - Arnaud Bienner - Bug 901880: rename compat file to gtkcolorseldialog.h to match gtk declaration, r=karlt
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1049. # [08:45] <avih> roc: btw, have a look at this: http://graphs.mozilla.org/graph.html#tests=[[287,94,31]]&sel=none&displayrange=30&datatype=running . this is the new tscrollx talos test on windos (scrolls in ASAP mode), and there appears to be a major regression in the past 2 days. are familiar with some recent landing which might have caused it?
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1051. # [08:47] <avih> (the regression hasn't been notified on dev.tree-management yet. not sure if the new talos tests isn't yet "wired" properly, or if it just needs few more datapoints to declare it as a regression. i'm keeping an eye on it)
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1060. # [08:54] <mjrosenb|ARM> anyone happen to know where I can stck a binary on a b2g phone so I can execute it?
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1073. # [09:02] <mjrosenb|ARM> njn: did you mean to do this:
1074. # [09:02] <mjrosenb|ARM> -#define JS_TRUE (int)1
1075. # [09:02] <mjrosenb|ARM> -#define JS_FALSE (int)0
1076. # [09:02] <mjrosenb|ARM> +#define true (int)1
1077. # [09:02] <mjrosenb|ARM> +#define false (int)0
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1081. # [09:05] <mjrosenb|ARM> unless that is one of the planned manual changes.
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1090. # [09:24] <markh> is there such a thing as an "image cache"? I've got a test that creates an <img> element with the src set to a custom protocol we implement. The second time I create such an element with the same URL, the protocol implemention is never asked for a channel - it is as if the image is being cached somewhere. This is even true if I call Services.cache.evictEntries(Components.interfaces.nsICache.STORE_ANYWHERE); in between.
1091. # [09:24] <markh> any clues?
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1121. # [09:47] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/47bd850cb89b - Carsten "Tomcat" Book - Backed out changeset 2fcbc0a619f2 (bug 901880) - Linux Bustage
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1125. # [09:55] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/62d14ef85b34 - Rik Cabanier - Bug 901375 - Implement support in CSS for mix-blend-mode; r=heycam
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1128. # [09:56] <mcsmurf> Tomcat: hey, thanks for backing out, was just about to do that :o
1129. # [09:56] <mcsmurf> I thought the patch was safe enough to land on m-c, duh
1130. # [09:56] <Tomcat> mcsmurf: no problem :)
1131. # [09:57] <Tomcat> mcsmurf: a good training for me too to test my backout scripts :)
1132. # [09:57] <mcsmurf> heh
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1139. # [10:04] <mcsmurf> oh I see the problem with the patch
1140. # [10:04] <mcsmurf> hah
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1162. # [10:18] <Ms2ger> Bonjour
1163. # [10:19] <Tomcat> good morning Ms2ger
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1167. # [10:22] <Gijs> markh: when you create the second one, is it on the same page?
1168. # [10:22] <markh> Gijs: yes!
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1170. # [10:23] <Gijs> markh: I'd imagine "something" shares image data across multiple <img> with the same URL there, then, yeah. If you were to reload the page, it'd probably go away
1171. # [10:23] <markh> well, kinda :) It's never actually inserted into the document - but the second one is created by the same document
1172. # [10:23] <Gijs> markh: anyway, I'm guessing this is thumbnailing, right?
1173. # [10:23] <markh> I think the test was just bogus for all kinds of reasons TBH.
1174. # [10:23] <markh> yep
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1176. # [10:24] <Gijs> You could hackaround by adding a timestamp'd query param to the img url
1177. # [10:24] <markh> I've worked around it by creating a new tab just for the image
1178. # [10:24] <Gijs> that's how we do that kind of stuff on the web ;)
1179. # [10:24] <markh> but a new query string would give a new thumbnail url, and what I'm testing needs the exact same thumbnail URL but when the thumbnail image changed :)
1180. # [10:25] <Gijs> on the same page? That sounds... not right, somehow.
1181. # [10:25] <markh> this is the kind of bug that is 1 hour of actual changes, 2.5 days of test wrangling :(
1182. # [10:25] <Gijs> markh: but really, the most conclusive answer would be given by roc or someone like him :)
1183. # [10:26] <markh> it was on "document" in a browser-chrome test - so I think it was actually on the outer browser window and not even a tab O_o. And as I said, it wasn't even inserted into the document (so theoretically not visible) when it was tested
1184. # [10:26] <Ms2ger> Who knows about graphics on android?
1185. # [10:26] <Gijs> markh: fun...
1186. # [10:26] <markh> so I think it was just a busted test that hit edge cases or something. Fixing it to load the image into a new tab solved all strangeness...
1187. # [10:27] <markh> yeah :) finally past it now and about to upload it for review - finally! It's been driving me nuts. I thought I'd have this done - oh - about 6 hours ago...
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1190. # [10:27] <markh> but thank god it's now beer o'clock :)
1191. # [10:28] <Gijs> :D
1192. # [10:29] <Tomcat> mcsmurf: will flag 890219 with releng, this issue seems a little spreading
1193. # [10:29] <mcsmurf> hm, yeah..
1194. # [10:29] <Tomcat> like a lof of this failures on b2g-inbound
1195. # [10:29] <mcsmurf> ok
1196. # [10:29] <Tomcat> lot
1197. # [10:32] <glandium> Ms2ger: cwiiis
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1202. # [10:34] <Ms2ger> glandium, ta
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1244. # [11:27] <Tomcat> Ms2ger: cc'd you on bug 902368, seems this is a crash on one test you created (or so)
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1246. # [11:28] <Ms2ger> Tomcat, do you have a log link?
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1248. # [11:29] <Tomcat> Ms2ger: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=26231021&tree=Mozilla-Inbound
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1251. # [11:31] <Ms2ger> Tomcat, thanks. I claim I'm not involved, though :)
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1253. # [11:33] <Tomcat> heh :)
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1265. # [11:47] <mjrosenb|ARM> has anyone else noticed that we seem to cache images/pages way to long?
1266. # [11:48] <mjrosenb|ARM> e.g. I open a new tab, type in xkcd.com, and it brings up the comic from monday.
1267. # [11:48] <mjrosenb|ARM> then I ask it to refresh, and I get the actual comic for today.
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1275. # [11:51] <Manuela> hi! does anybody know if Real Player plugin is supported on Ubuntu 12.10?
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1278. # [11:57] <@smaug> dunno, but that would be a question for Real
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1280. # [11:58] <mcsmurf> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RealPlayerInstallationMethods?action=show&redirect=RealplayerInstallationMethods
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1282. # [11:58] <mcsmurf> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RealPlayerInstallationMethods?action=show&redirect=RealplayerInstallationMethods#Firefox_Plugin
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1287. # [12:01] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/67adb1fa9936 - Frank Wein - Bug 901880 - Compile failure in nsColorPicker.cpp: error: ‘gtk_color_selection_dialog_get_color_selection’ was not declared in this scope, r=karlt
1288. # [12:01] <mcsmurf> nice, utf-8 fail
1289. # [12:01] <mcsmurf> *shrug*
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1291. # [12:02] <ewong> mcsmurf++
1292. # [12:02] <mcsmurf> :P
1293. # [12:02] <mcsmurf> but yeah, you know what this checkin is for ;)
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1295. # [12:02] <ewong|away> mcsmurf: sure! :)
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1302. # [12:08] <mjrosenb|ARM> Tomcat: ping?
1303. # [12:09] <Tomcat> mjrosenb|ARM: pong
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1306. # [12:10] <mjrosenb|ARM> Tomcat: so I just saw 902379 -- is it just me, or does it look like this crash is entirely in dalvik?
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1308. # [12:11] <Tomcat> yeah might be
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1347. # [13:00] <kkdEEP> hi
1348. # [13:00] <kkdEEP> in some firefox 23 the social share button is not visible. How can we enable it?
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1354. # [13:02] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/6f6f59093d46 - Georg Fritzsche - Bug 896965 - Trigger "PluginBindingAttached" before running plugin notification tests. r=keeler, a=bajaj
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1358. # [13:09] <nthomas> Pike: is http://pastebin.mozilla.org/2801261 something you've seen before ?
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1365. # [13:12] <Pike> waitwat?
1366. # [13:13] <Gijs> kkdEEP: you'd need to be using a social provider
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1368. # [13:14] <nthomas> Pike: bit of a long shot, but it's an l10n build ;-)
1369. # [13:14] <Pike> nthomas: nope. far fetched, maybe it's using a different compiler than the regular builds?
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1371. # [13:14] <nthomas> there must be something like that somewhere, but damned if I can find it
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1381. # [13:24] <froydnj> tbsaunde: we do because I can't pick my try builds properly =/
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1397. # [13:42] <Dmitry> Hi guys, can i ask a newbie question about building FF... is there anyway to build specific subfolder with mach?
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1404. # [13:46] <darktrojan> Dmitry, just mach build path/to/folder
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1406. # [13:46] * @smaug would just use make -C <objdif>/path/to/the/subfolder , but just because he doesn't use mach
1407. # [13:46] <darktrojan> or that
1408. # [13:46] <darktrojan> objdif
1409. # [13:46] <@smaug> er, objdir
1410. # [13:47] <darktrojan> :)
1411. # [13:47] <Dmitry> Ok. Thanks!
1412. # [13:48] <Dmitry> one more question - what if want to build subfolder with pdb files
1413. # [13:48] <Dmitry> (in debug mode)
1414. # [13:48] <Dmitry> ?
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1416. # [13:49] <darktrojan> dunno, I don't do debug mode
1417. # [13:49] <darktrojan> or building for that matter
1418. # [13:49] <darktrojan> smaug, ^
1419. # [13:49] * @smaug doesn't know what is pdb file. Some Windows thingie ?
1420. # [13:50] <darktrojan> yeah
1421. # [13:50] <Dmitry> ah yes
1422. # [13:50] <Dmitry> i'm windows based)
1423. # [13:50] <Dmitry> it's debug symbols
1424. # [13:50] * @smaug has compiled FF on Windows perhaps 5 times, and the last time was 2008 :)
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1430. # [13:55] <Dmitry> Are there windows guys anytime? Maybe I need to ask later?
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1432. # [13:55] <jesup> pdb are debug symbol files
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1472. # [14:25] <decoder> is it possible to disable libffi or replace it with a C-only implementation, rather than using the asm stubs?
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1481. # [14:30] <glandium> decoder: no, and no
1482. # [14:33] <decoder> Yoric: ping
1483. # [14:33] <decoder> glandium: thx
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1485. # [14:33] <glandium> decoder: what problem do you have with the asm?
1486. # [14:34] <decoder> glandium: bug 872577
1487. # [14:34] <decoder> glandium: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/2801771
1488. # [14:34] <decoder> chat with samsonov
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1490. # [14:35] <Yoric> decoder: pong
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1493. # [14:36] <decoder> Yoric: apparently the problem is that the returned buffers are not freed just with a regular free call from C code, but rather somehow from assembler code?
1494. # [14:36] <decoder> the problem is that the free call is not intercepted by asan
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1496. # [14:36] <decoder> for some reason
1497. # [14:36] <decoder> although all free calls should be
1498. # [14:36] <Yoric> er...
1499. # [14:36] <Yoric> That's possible.
1500. # [14:36] <Yoric> But I haven't really tried to understand how libffi works.
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1502. # [14:37] <glandium> Yoric: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=872577#c9
1503. # [14:38] <Yoric> glandium: Since I'm calling free(), I'm sure there must be more to your answer than that.
1504. # [14:38] <Yoric> Do you mean that I should link to a specific free() instead of libc's?
1505. # [14:38] <decoder> Yoric: can you point me to the location where you are calling free?
1506. # [14:38] <decoder> id like to take a look
1507. # [14:38] <glandium> Yoric: you're using free from libc.so specifically? that's the problem
1508. # [14:39] <glandium> use free() from RTLD_DEFAULT
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1510. # [14:39] <Yoric> glandium: How do I found out what that is from js-ctypes?
1511. # [14:39] <decoder> i think we need to understand why/how _int_free is called from libffi
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1513. # [14:39] <decoder> (and the trace indicates it's going through that assembler code function)
1514. # [14:39] <glandium> Yoric: presumably, there's some way to look for a symbol in RTLD_DEFAULT
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1516. # [14:40] <glandium> if there isn't, there should be
1517. # [14:41] <Yoric> decoder: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/toolkit/components/osfile/modules/osfile_unix_back.jsm#330
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1519. # [14:41] <Yoric> glandium: So I should link to RTLD_DEFAULT instead of libc?
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1521. # [14:41] <glandium> Yoric: yes
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1523. # [14:43] <Yoric> glandium: There doesn't seem to be anything dealing with RTLD_DEFAULT in js-ctypes.
1524. # [14:43] <Yoric> So I guess that should be added.
1525. # [14:43] <Yoric> glandium: Is it Posix or specific to some OS?
1526. # [14:45] <glandium> Yoric: it's posix, but ctypes uses nspr anyways
1527. # [14:45] <glandium> Yoric: try an empty name for the lib
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1530. # [14:46] <glandium> Yoric: .... which might fail because nspr does strdup(name) :(
1531. # [14:46] <Yoric> At the moment, I only have a Mac at hand.
1532. # [14:46] <Yoric> I'll try that on the Mac.
1533. # [14:47] <Yoric> Oh, empty or null?
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1535. # [14:47] <decoder> Yoric: let me know if I should try something on linux for you
1536. # [14:48] <decoder> i can also provide you linux build environments
1537. # [14:48] <decoder> if that is needed
1538. # [14:48] <Yoric> I have a VMWare somewhere at hand.
1539. # [14:48] <Yoric> It just hasn't pulled in months.
1540. # [14:48] <Yoric> Thanks
1541. # [14:49] <glandium> Yoric: something that might work is to open "a.out"
1542. # [14:49] <Yoric> glandium: So, simply passing "" raises an error.
1543. # [14:49] <Yoric> er...
1544. # [14:49] <Yoric> a.out?
1545. # [14:49] <Yoric> That doesn't even make sense on a Mac, does it?
1546. # [14:49] <glandium> yeah, that's hardcoded in nspr
1547. # [14:49] <Yoric> ouch
1548. # [14:49] <Yoric> Let's try that.
1549. # [14:51] <Yoric> Hey, a.out does open a libc!
1550. # [14:51] <glandium> Yoric: not a libc
1551. # [14:51] <glandium> but libc symbols should resolve
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1553. # [14:51] <glandium> that sadly won't work on android
1554. # [14:51] <Yoric> Let me rephrase: it lets me access the libc symbols, which is what I need.
1555. # [14:51] <Yoric> Ah.
1556. # [14:51] <glandium> on android, you should get free from mozglue
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1560. # [14:54] <Yoric> So, generally, should I use a.out for all symbols (on platforms where it applies) or just for free?
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1562. # [14:55] <glandium> Yoric: just for free
1563. # [14:55] <glandium> Yoric: for android, you can continue to use libc.so, actually
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1565. # [14:55] <glandium> as long as you don't use that free for something else than the libc functions
1566. # [14:55] <Yoric> ok, I'll special-case free
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1571. # [15:00] <Yoric> glandium: So, what do you recommend for Android: detecting the platform or detecting that I can't open "a.out"?
1572. # [15:00] <glandium> Yoric: do you have an existing test for android?
1573. # [15:01] <Yoric> Well, I have the OS name.
1574. # [15:01] <glandium> Yoric: does that distinguish between android and linux?
1575. # [15:01] <Yoric> I seem to remember it does.
1576. # [15:01] <Yoric> I'll need to check.
1577. # [15:02] <glandium> if it does, you can use that
1578. # [15:02] <Yoric> It's essentially nsIXULRuntime::GetOS.
1579. # [15:02] <glandium> i'm not sure what that'll do on b2g, though
1580. # [15:02] <glandium> and i'm not sure what is safe on b2g either
1581. # [15:03] * Yoric ponders alternatives.
1582. # [15:03] <Yoric> I suspect that it would actually be safer to attempt to open "a.out" and fallback to libc free() if we can't open "a.out".
1583. # [15:04] <glandium> Yoric: well, for b2g, a.out is not going to work, and i'm not sure free from libc is actually safe
1584. # [15:04] <glandium> it's not any worse than it currently is, though
1585. # [15:04] <Yoric> Indeed.
1586. # [15:05] <Yoric> Let's first fix one version without breaking anything.
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1588. # [15:05] <glandium> Yoric: get decoder to check it actually works :)
1589. # [15:05] <Yoric> :)
1590. # [15:06] <Yoric> So this means that getwd_auto & al. use our malloc() instead of libc malloc()?
1591. # [15:07] <decoder> with asan they use asan's malloc
1592. # [15:07] <decoder> because asan intercepts it
1593. # [15:07] <decoder> i dont know why asan doesnt intercept your free call but I assume it has to do with libffi and the way that calls free
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1596. # [15:07] <decoder> but glandium probably knows a lot better than me here ;)
1597. # [15:07] <glandium> decoder: depends how it intercepts malloc and free.
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1599. # [15:08] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/2b55f012b27a - Nicolas Silva - Bug 900393 - Implement missing method in DeprecatedSharedRGBImage. r=eflores
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1603. # [15:09] <decoder> glandium: i think it looks up the real address using
1604. # [15:09] <decoder> *func_addr = (uptr)dlsym(RTLD_NEXT, func_name);
1605. # [15:09] <decoder> (on linux)
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1607. # [15:10] <glandium> decoder: so it's getting jemalloc's
1608. # [15:10] <decoder> jemalloc is disabled
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1610. # [15:10] <decoder> these lookups are made before anything else runs btw
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1612. # [15:11] <decoder> i have pointers to the source code if you're interested
1613. # [15:11] <decoder> it's in compiler-rt/lib/asan/asan_interceptors.cc and the generic interceptor code is in compiler-rt/lib/interception
1614. # [15:12] <decoder> os-specific
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1634. # [15:25] <decoder> Yoric: testing the patch now (without a clobber)
1635. # [15:25] <glandium> decoder: looking at the code, there's possibly a bug to fix in asan
1636. # [15:25] <Yoric> Yeah, shouldn't need one.
1637. # [15:26] <decoder> glandium: okay. let me know if there is. we have good contacts with the asan devs
1638. # [15:26] <decoder> and we can discuss bugs with them easily
1639. # [15:26] <vlad> avih: thanks for all your ongoing work on all the UI profiling stuff, btw!
1640. # [15:26] <vlad> avih: it's awesome to have someone digging into it
1641. # [15:26] <glandium> decoder: is there an occurrence of __free_hook in the asan code?
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1643. # [15:26] <avih> vlad: beb, 1:1 now. gthx :)
1644. # [15:27] <avih> brb, 1:1 (grrr)
1645. # [15:27] <glandium> (i'm just looking at the code on some website, no search)
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1647. # [15:27] <vlad> avih: np! also, do you ever sleep? :)
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1649. # [15:27] <vlad> avih: (also, link me to tart source code pls! :)
1650. # [15:27] <avih> :)
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1653. # [15:27] <decoder> glandium: grep didnt find any.
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1655. # [15:28] <glandium> doh, i'm looking at the gcc asan
1656. # [15:28] <decoder> oh lol
1657. # [15:28] <decoder> well, they might be interested in bugs there too
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1659. # [15:28] <decoder> but the main asan code is in compiler-rt/lib/
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1661. # [15:28] <decoder> http://llvm.org/svn/llvm-project/compiler-rt/trunk/lib/asan/
1662. # [15:28] <decoder> this one
1663. # [15:29] <decoder> and it includes some more generic stuff like interception
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1665. # [15:29] <decoder> which the other sanitiziers (msan, tsan) use too
1666. # [15:29] <glandium> looks like they share code
1667. # [15:30] <glandium> that is, the gcc asan code looks similar
1668. # [15:30] <glandium> so yeah, same problem
1669. # [15:31] <glandium> decoder: so, you can report that they should add (and export) __free_hook, __malloc_hook, __realloc_hook and __memalign_hook (all defined in malloc.h), pointing to their own malloc functions
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1673. # [15:32] <glandium> decoder: ah, but they're calling glibc's allocator... that would likely infinite-loop
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1675. # [15:33] <decoder> yea
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1678. # [15:34] <glandium> decoder: then they're skipping glibc internal allocations, as well as, things that take the malloc/free pointers from libc directly
1679. # [15:34] <decoder> they call the real allocator but they do additional stuff
1680. # [15:34] <glandium> imho, they should just use a custom allocator
1681. # [15:35] <glandium> they could even mix the data with their additional stuff for more efficiency
1682. # [15:35] <decoder> i can forward that. but their approach works with most major projects that tried it
1683. # [15:35] <decoder> including chrome
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1685. # [15:35] <decoder> so i dont know how likely that is going to happen
1686. # [15:35] <decoder> but ill forward it
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1688. # [15:36] <glandium> decoder: in practice, what they do works. except in very specific corner cases ; and you have to trust glibc internals too
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1691. # [15:37] <decoder> glandium: Yoric: seems like the fix worked! :) ill do more tests when im back but mochitests just passed on my machine
1692. # [15:37] <decoder> i need to run, be back in 1.5 hours
1693. # [15:37] <decoder> Yoric: thanks! :)
1694. # [15:37] <Yoric> decoder: Cool. Can you check whether that works under B2G and Android, too?
1695. # [15:37] <decoder> i can do a try push
1696. # [15:37] <decoder> asan isnt on b2g/android
1697. # [15:37] <glandium> Yoric: we don't do asan on android/b2g
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1699. # [15:38] <Yoric> Ah.
1700. # [15:38] <decoder> i would like to have it there but it's a lot of work and we have more important construction sites right now with asan^^
1701. # [15:38] <Yoric> Never mind, then.
1702. # [15:38] <decoder> ok
1703. # [15:39] <Yoric> I'm pretty sure that this code is never used outside of the testsuite anyway :)
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1705. # [15:39] <glandium> decoder: malloc/free interception is not going to pan out very well on android/b2g.
1706. # [15:40] <glandium> on android, it's almost impossible without a modified zygote
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1709. # [15:42] <glandium> and on b2g, i'm not sure there are hooks like on glibc, and since libc is built with -Bsymbolic, libc calls that do malloc() and expect the caller to free() are going to be a problem
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1731. # [16:01] <avih> vlad: sorry. vladan just didn't wanna to let me go from the 1:1 ;)
1732. # [16:02] <avih> vlad: re sleep. some weeks are busier than others. this is one of them ;)
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1736. # [16:03] <Optimizer> glob: ping
1737. # [16:03] <glob> Optimizer, pong
1738. # [16:03] <Optimizer> just a couple of questions about bugzilla api
1739. # [16:03] <glob> Optimizer, yup.. which one?
1740. # [16:03] <Optimizer> can we query on someone's commit level ?
1741. # [16:03] <Optimizer> if we have the user email
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1743. # [16:04] <glob> Optimizer, no - we don't track that at all in bugzilla
1744. # [16:04] <glob> Optimizer, you need to hit ldap for that
1745. # [16:04] <Optimizer> oh I see, okay what about user's country ?
1746. # [16:04] <vlad> avih: s'ok, I asked vladan to pile some tarp work on you ;)
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1748. # [16:04] <glob> Optimizer, we don't track that either. mozillians would be your best bet for that
1749. # [16:04] <Optimizer> heh
1750. # [16:04] <Optimizer> okies
1751. # [16:05] <avih> vlad: apparently you're very influential on him ;)
1752. # [16:05] <Optimizer> are there any docs for mozillian apis ? (are there any apis ? )
1753. # [16:05] <glob> Optimizer, there is an api
1754. # [16:05] <glob> Optimizer, if you log in there's an api key section somewhere (just logging in now to check)
1755. # [16:06] * Optimizer logs too
1756. # [16:06] <glob> Optimizer, but you'll probably hit issues with linking to other systems -- mozillians doesn't track bugzilla or ldap usernames
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1758. # [16:07] <Optimizer> the email would be common, I assume
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1760. # [16:08] <glob> Optimizer, nope
1761. # [16:08] <Optimizer> it is for me, atleast
1762. # [16:08] <glob> Optimizer, just between ldap and bugzilla there's significant differences
1763. # [16:08] <Optimizer> I am happy with that assumption :)
1764. # [16:08] <Optimizer> because is there any other way to get all bugzilla users from a certain country ?
1765. # [16:08] <glob> Optimizer, ok.. but it's wrong for a lot of our staff
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1767. # [16:09] <glob> Optimizer, no, we don't have any demographic data beyond the user's real name, and that's optional
1768. # [16:09] * Ms2ger wishes persona were faster
1769. # [16:09] <Optimizer> Ms2ger: you don't have an identity anyways
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1771. # [16:10] <Ms2ger> Also, I can't look at my mozillians profile for more than about a second
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1773. # [16:10] <glob> yay, persona's telling me my account doesn't exist
1774. # [16:10] <glob> *sigh*
1775. # [16:11] <Ms2ger> Why the hell did anyone ever think that I wanted to reload it every second?
1776. # [16:11] <Optimizer> mine doesn't
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1787. # [16:18] <glob> oh no. nightly lost my session.
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1795. # [16:23] <glob> well, on the bright side it no longer takes several seconds to switch to a new tab
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1806. # [16:28] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/37f4b8b2dbe7 - Geoff Brown - Bug 902160 - Update mochitest manifest for android x86; r=jmaher
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1816. # [16:35] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/6577dad62b79 - Masatoshi Kimura - Bug 885107 - Add a global error handler to the testharness integration script. r=dbaron
1817. # [16:37] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/f278a7ee9601 - Dan Gohman - Bug 888280 - Put cpp-private classes in anonymous namespaces. r=waldo
1818. # [16:37] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/f33f0ea6bba3 - Dan Gohman - Bug 888280 - Give a few miscellaneous variables internal name linkage. r=evilpies
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1822. # [16:40] <evilpie> oh the bugzilla dashboard doesn't show review requests for fixed bugs
1823. # [16:41] <@bsmedberg> stupid dashboard
1824. # [16:41] <glob> evilpie, yeah, not by default. of course there's a checkbox to toggle that
1825. # [16:41] <evilpie> oh
1826. # [16:41] <@bz> glob: so...
1827. # [16:42] <evilpie> indeed
1828. # [16:42] <evilpie> yeah change that default please
1829. # [16:42] <@bz> glob: I've hit the auto-submitting behavior a few times since our conversation
1830. # [16:42] <glob> evilpie, file a bug
1831. # [16:42] <evilpie> ok
1832. # [16:42] <@bz> glob: kinda randomly. :(
1833. # [16:42] <glob> bz, odd. this hasn't been reported by anyone else, if that "helps"
1834. # [16:42] <@bz> glob: I tried clearing my cache entirely; we'll see if that helps
1835. # [16:42] * @bz hasn't hit it since, so far
1836. # [16:43] <glob> bz, if you hit it again, i'm interested in getting a copy of all the bugzilla js and html firefox is using at that point in time
1837. # [16:44] <@bz> glob: If I can get that, will do
1838. # [16:44] <glob> (i don't know how difficult that would be to get)
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1875. # [17:07] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/d10581fd8202 - Jeff Muizelaar - Bug 897532. Add support for better filtering in Azure. r=bas
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1883. # [17:08] <jesup> bz: see, thunderbird is helping you. You didn't need that mail
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1886. # [17:10] <froydnj> or it was an ill-considered email
1887. # [17:10] <jesup> "You don't want to do that, Dave"
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1890. # [17:14] <@bz> mmm
1891. # [17:14] <@bz> It was my "things I need to get done today" mail to self.
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1893. # [17:15] <Ms2ger> bz, take the day off :)
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1900. # [17:17] <@bz> ms2ger: that's next week
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1902. # [17:17] <@bz> ms2ger: this was stuff like "pack"
1903. # [17:17] <Ms2ger> Ah
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1906. # [17:18] <luke> whoa, now we have the little "playing music" icon in the tab that people have been asking for for ages. i thought there was some inherent NPAPI limitation; how'd we end up doing this?
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1909. # [17:20] <gfritzsche> luke: we do? we definitely don't for plugins.
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1911. # [17:20] <Ms2ger> Does it work for plugins?
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1913. # [17:20] <luke> gfritzsche, Ms2ger: it was just doing it for my flash YouTube player. hah, i wonder if it is YouTube doing it...
1914. # [17:21] <luke> oh haha, i think it is youtube
1915. # [17:21] <luke> just changing the title
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1917. # [17:24] <padenot> it is youtube
1918. # [17:24] <padenot> soundcloud does that as well
1919. # [17:25] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/8b241c4e3eec - Luke Wagner - Bug 900669 - OdinMonkey: hoist AsmJSModuleSourceDesc (r=bbouvier)
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1921. # [17:25] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/7abe5be6f8d2 - Luke Wagner - Bug 900669 - OdinMonkey: factor LinkAsmJS in preparation for later changes (r=bbouvier)
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1924. # [17:26] <luke> padenot: that's polite of them. of course, i doubt they are the tabs making unwelcome sounds that frustrate users
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1928. # [17:27] <padenot> yes, they don't start anything on load, afaik
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1933. # [17:28] <jesup> usually that's a flash app auto-starting; could be an html5 audio/video element, depending on the site
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1968. # [17:40] <matthewgertner> is there some way to get the principal of the bootstrap.js sandbox when running in bootstrap.js?
1969. # [17:40] <matthewgertner> it doesn't appear to be "this"
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2004. # [17:58] <kkdEEP> Hi! are there any plans to introduce G+ too as part of social services in Firefox like Facebook?
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2016. # [18:03] <nalexander> mixedpuppy: ^
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2105. # [18:44] <mixedpuppy> kkdEEP: we don't create those integrations, only the interfaces that allow sites to integrate. Google would have to choose to integrate G+.
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2107. # [18:45] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/a3e34b989ebe - Christian Holler - Bug 902157 - ASan: Add memory configuration for 4 GB test slaves. r=jmaher
2108. # [18:45] <kkdEEP> mixedpuppy: Thanks for the info! :)
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2125. # [18:52] <@ted> froydnj: i just found out we have this pref today: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/search?string=focusmanager.testmode
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2127. # [18:52] <@ted> i wonder if that does anything useful for our parallel work
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2134. # [18:55] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/afb4118f4479 - Robert Longson - Bug 898915 - Fix Axis() is not valid abort. r=dholbert
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2142. # [18:59] <froydnj> ted: huh
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2145. # [19:00] <@ted> froydnj: my thoughts exactly
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2147. # [19:00] <froydnj> ted: it looks sort-of-useful but also sort-of-massive-test-failures-incoming...I don't know the focus code well enough to say which
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2151. # [19:00] <froydnj> ted: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/testing/mozbase/mozprofile/mozprofile/profile.py#286
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2154. # [19:02] <froydnj> huh, smaug added it really recently
2155. # [19:02] <froydnj> bug 704583
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2157. # [19:02] <froydnj> "we will need Firefox to allow multiple windows to have focus at the same time"
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2162. # [19:03] <froydnj> not sure it's useful for parallel reftests, but sounds at first glance like useful for parallel mochitests
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2188. # [19:15] <froydnj> Callek|buildduty++
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2190. # [19:16] <Callek|buildduty> froydnj: what is this kharma for?
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2195. # [19:16] <froydnj> Callek|buildduty: we have a releng Load Requests category now
2196. # [19:16] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/a80f4a6d2d89 - Dan Minor - Bug 900542 - Update reftest manifests for pandaboards; r=jmaher
2197. # [19:17] <froydnj> Callek|buildduty: you were the nearest releng-y person
2198. # [19:17] <Callek|buildduty> ahhh ok
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2200. # [19:17] <Callek|buildduty> :-)
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2232. # [19:27] <jesup> lsblakk: ping
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2234. # [19:28] <lsblakk> jesup: pong
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2241. # [19:30] <jesup> lsblakk: Anthony just verified the fix. How do you want to proceed? I'll ask for official beta/aurora uplift requests?
2242. # [19:30] <lsblakk> jesup: can you nominate the patch for mozilla-release approval?
2243. # [19:30] <lsblakk> we'll get it uplifted to that branch
2244. # [19:30] <jesup> yup
2245. # [19:30] <lsblakk> i just have to check on a potential l10n ride-along
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2256. # [19:34] <RyanVM> lsblakk: if you want me to do it - please needinfo? me - I don't normally look for m-r uplifts :)
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2258. # [19:34] <lsblakk> RyanVM: ok, will do
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2268. # [19:36] <jesup> nominated (and I see some are aqpproved already :-)
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2270. # [19:36] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/5b08877b268b - Olli Pettay - Bug 902481 - Make EventTargetChainItem pool thread agnostic, r=jst
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2272. # [19:37] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/bd5a82670cf9 - Robert Longson - Bug 835048 - ownerElement should return null rather than throwing for invalid content. r=jwatt
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2277. # [19:39] <jesup> akeybl: was the needinfo intentional? which info?
2278. # [19:39] <@bsmedberg> gps: with mozext, central/default is a tag not a bookmark?
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2282. # [19:40] <jimb> chmanchester: ping
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2284. # [19:40] <chmanchester> jimb: pong
2285. # [19:40] <jimb> chmanchester: Hi! I'm looking at bug 890555
2286. # [19:41] <chmanchester> jimb: Greetings!
2287. # [19:41] <chmanchester> jimb: oh good. What are your thoughts on that?
2288. # [19:41] <jimb> chmanchester: I assume you're talking about this listener here: http://dxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/toolkit/devtools/server/tests/unit/head_dbg.js#l56
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2290. # [19:42] <jimb> chmanchester: That helped us catch a lot of issues that the suite had just been glossing over completely
2291. # [19:42] <chmanchester> jimb: right, irving indicated he thought that's what caused us to start picking up those errors
2292. # [19:42] <jimb> chmanchester: But perhaps with your work, we have a better way to catch those errors?
2293. # [19:43] <jimb> chmanchester: If that code were no longer necessary because the xpcshell harness itself were more stringent, that would be great... but I can't really tell from the patch if that's so or not.
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2298. # [19:44] <chmanchester> jimb: I'm not sure about that point, I don't think irving's patch was intended to solve that.
2299. # [19:44] <jimb> Okay. Oh well.
2300. # [19:44] <jimb> chmanchester: So, next question:
2301. # [19:44] <chmanchester> jimb: I think the issue is that his patch uncovers errors that were hidden by a bug in head.js
2302. # [19:44] <jimb> Why does your patch cause more things to be reported to the console service than there were before?
2303. # [19:45] * geekboy|afk is now known as geekboy
2304. # [19:45] <jimb> And are they warnings about the code under test, or warnings about the harness?
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2306. # [19:45] <jimb> Oh, okay.
2307. # [19:45] <chmanchester> jimb: the errors warn about the code in test files mostly
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2309. # [19:45] <jimb> How many? Lots and lots? A handful?
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2311. # [19:46] <jimb> Because if it's not too much work, I can just clean it up. We'd like to... um... not have errors in our tests
2312. # [19:46] <jimb> because... it defeats the purpose of having them
2313. # [19:46] <jimb> if you ignore such things
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2317. # [19:47] <jimb> There must be some character from Greek mythology cursed to only make obvious statements...
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2321. # [19:47] <jimb> "Nice day!" "Don't drop that anvil on your foot, it'll hurt!" "I'd like to not have undetected errors in my unit tests."
2322. # [19:47] <jimb> etc.
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2326. # [19:48] <chmanchester> jimb: absolutely. I think we need to fix head.js as soon as possible. I looked at a number of the errors, some of them seemed like simple things I could fix (like "useless expression" due to missing + in string concatenation), others didn't pop out at me
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2328. # [19:48] <chmanchester> like "gApp is not defined"
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2331. # [19:49] <jimb> gApp, eh?
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2333. # [19:49] <chmanchester> I would be happy to post a patch fixing the ones I can figure out if that would be helpful
2334. # [19:50] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/7d7a54bd0ccb - Bill McCloskey - Bug 902041 - Don't use the remote-browser.xml binding for remote thumbnail generation (r=gavin)
2335. # [19:50] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/66ef83ce4532 - Bill McCloskey - Bug 902105 - loadURI should rethrow inside its catch clause (r=gavin)
2336. # [19:50] <jimb> gApp is not used in our tests.
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2338. # [19:50] <jimb> That makes me wonder if it's really just toolkit/devtools or if cleaning that up wouldn't be sufficent for you to land.
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2341. # [19:50] <@gavin> jimb, chmanchester: sounds like https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=897031
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2344. # [19:51] <jimb> gavin: Why would changes to xpcshell head.js affect mochitest results, though?
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2346. # [19:52] <jimb> Oh, they're extant
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2349. # [19:52] <jimb> Those seem like a separate issue, then.
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2351. # [19:54] <chmanchester> jimb: what would you say to a patch fixing the strict warnings that are easy to fix, and disabling those that are unearthing errors from other places, and a follow up to look into fixing those?
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2353. # [19:54] <jimb> chmanchester: 'disabling' what, exactly? The tests? The warnings?
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2355. # [19:54] <jimb> chmanchester: (But, that sounds nice)
2356. # [19:54] <chmanchester> jimb: the tests
2357. # [19:54] <jimb> Oh.
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2359. # [19:55] <jimb> I'm not keen on disabling tests that are covering something.
2360. # [19:55] <jimb> unless they're so borked that they're not actually doing anything.
2361. # [19:55] <jimb> chmanchester: But, I'll help you out with this.
2362. # [19:55] <jimb> chmanchester: If you could take care of the simple stuff, and get back to me about anything more serious
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2364. # [19:55] <jimb> chmanchester: then I'll take a look at those.
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2368. # [19:56] <jimb> chmanchester: Either the test is really broken, in which case disabling it temporarily is not such a big deal; or I can fix it.
2369. # [19:56] <chmanchester> jimb: great, yeah. I'm no fan of disabling tests, but the current state of affairs potentially compromises a lot of coverage
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2371. # [19:56] <chmanchester> jimb: works for me, I'll post a patch and flag you for feedback shortly
2372. # [19:57] <chmanchester> jimb: thanks for taking a look at this!
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2374. # [19:57] <jimb> chmanchester: To be clear: we're talking about toolkit/devtools xpcshell tests only here, right? (I haven't done much at all with our mochitests, so I don't want to offer to fix them quickly.)
2375. # [19:57] <chmanchester> jimb: absolutely xpcshell only
2376. # [19:57] <jimb> (I assume so, since it's allegedly a testing/xpcshell/head.js change that affects the issue)
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2378. # [19:57] <jimb> Okay, good. Sounds like a plan. Flag me, and I'll see it.
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2380. # [19:57] <jimb> chmanchester: Thanks!
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2382. # [19:58] <chmanchester> jimb: excellent, thank you
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2393. # [20:00] <akeybl> jesup: hoping you saw the comment that followed
2394. # [20:01] <mihneadb> anybody knowledgeable about nsIPluginHost around?
2395. # [20:01] <jimb> chmanchester: posted summary of IRC conv to bug
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2397. # [20:01] <mihneadb> Unfocused, Mossop^ ?
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2400. # [20:01] <mihneadb> gfritzsche: ^
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2402. # [20:01] * Mossop hides
2403. # [20:01] <mihneadb> :(
2404. # [20:02] <mihneadb> I was wondering where does this function look for plugins http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/dom/plugins/base/nsPluginHost.cpp#1147
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2406. # [20:02] <jesup> akeybl: saw it (I was too fast....), and have replied
2407. # [20:02] <mihneadb> (of course it's all *there*.. but..)
2408. # [20:02] <Mossop> The filesystem and registry
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2410. # [20:03] <mihneadb> Mossop: I'm afraid it might not be using the folder specified to xpcshell with -p
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2412. # [20:03] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/557f6d8be7f6 - Nicolas B. Pierron - Bug 901768 - Instrument the frontend Compile functions with the trace logger. r=h4writer
2413. # [20:03] <Mossop> Possible
2414. # [20:03] <mihneadb> any easy way to confirm (via the source)
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2416. # [20:03] <mihneadb> hm
2417. # [20:03] <mihneadb> is that good?
2418. # [20:03] <Mossop> I don't know what -p is, I wouldn't know how to verify except by reading the source and I don't have time to do that today
2419. # [20:04] <mihneadb> ok
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2421. # [20:04] <Mossop> Chances are it uses teh directory service to find where to look for plugins
2422. # [20:04] <mihneadb> that would be ok
2423. # [20:04] <mihneadb> I ll dig some more, ty
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2426. # [20:05] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/411e364cd365 - Justin Lebar - Bug 895204 - Let ContentParent call CloseWithError() even if it's already called Close(). r=khuey
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2451. # [20:15] <@bsmedberg> jlebar: got a sec to chat about the new weakref stuff? (vidyo maybe)
2452. # [20:16] <jlebar> bsmedberg: sure; let me find a room. I don't have my laptop, so I won't have IRC once I leave my machine; I'll connect to your vidyo room?
2453. # [20:16] <@bsmedberg> ok
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2458. # [20:16] <Gijs> If someone with the vaguest clue about layout / iframe boundaries has some time to peek at bug 902546, that'd probably be useful... I'm not really sure where to start narrowing that down and/or getting it to a right-er/better component than Core::Layout. :)
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2460. # [20:18] <gps> bsmedberg: it's actually a "virtual" tag
2461. # [20:19] <gps> we supplement Mercurial's internal notion of a tag at run-time with the contents of .hg/remoterefs
2462. # [20:19] <fabrice> Pike: are you ok to go with a (new) single string in bug 901383 ?
2463. # [20:19] <gps> bsmedberg: you might be able to do weird things if you attempt to tag/bookmark/branch a similar name - I haven't tried all variations
2464. # [20:19] <gps> there need to be tests here
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2467. # [20:21] <Pike> fabrice: I'm not OK with new strings for a while now, tbh. with that bug, there might be interesting legal implications of that one string vs any other
2468. # [20:21] <Pike> fabrice: I can't promise anything at this point to get new strings localized 'til Monday
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2470. # [20:21] <fabrice> Pike: so what are you proposing?
2471. # [20:22] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/a6d0cef703fc - Bill McCloskey - Bug 902541 - Remove unnecessary flipping of remote attribute at startup (r=gavin)
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2474. # [20:24] <mcsmurf> why is a file like http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/build/win32/mozconfig.vs2010 marked as binary?
2475. # [20:24] <mcsmurf> does mxr or hg do that?
2476. # [20:24] <@gavin> mxr is just broken IIRC
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2479. # [20:27] <Pike> fabrice: I have little to propose at this point. change the schedule is one way to solve the issue
2480. # [20:27] <fabrice> Pike: lol
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2482. # [20:28] <Pike> if the code's not ready to ship, it's not ready to ship
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2485. # [20:30] <bent> BenWa, ping
2486. # [20:31] <@ehsan> bz: how bad is the overhead of CCACHE_CPP2=yes?
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2490. # [20:32] <@bz> ehsan: not huge
2491. # [20:32] <fabrice> Pike: these are the *same strings*
2492. # [20:32] <@bz> ehsan: maybe a few percent of total no-op build time at most, when I've measured
2493. # [20:32] <@ehsan> ok
2494. # [20:32] <@ehsan> my no-op builds happen in <1s now ;)
2495. # [20:32] <@ehsan> so I can probably spare that overhead
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2497. # [20:33] <jlebar|away> ehsan: What dark magic are you using to accomplish that?
2498. # [20:33] * jlebar|away is now known as jlebar
2499. # [20:33] <BenWa> bent: off for the day, tomorrow maybe?
2500. # [20:33] <@ehsan> jlebar: see vlad's post?
2501. # [20:33] <@bz> ehsan: well, then it might be a larger percentage
2502. # [20:33] <@bz> ehsan: ninja?
2503. # [20:33] <@ehsan> jlebar: we basically did our own build system ;)
2504. # [20:33] <bent> BenWa, you bet
2505. # [20:33] <@ehsan> http://blog.bitops.com/blog/2013/08/05/faster-firefox-build-speeds/
2506. # [20:33] <Pike> fabrice: I can't make that happen without another landing of a localizer regressing it again
2507. # [20:33] <@ehsan> bz: yes
2508. # [20:33] <jlebar> ehsan: this is what I get for working instead of reading my RSS reader compulsively. :)
2509. # [20:33] <@bz> fwiw...
2510. # [20:33] <@bz> I had not seen that post
2511. # [20:33] <@bz> was it on planet?
2512. # [20:34] <fabrice> Pike: why can't just just copy/paste the existing ones?
2513. # [20:34] <@ehsan> jlebar: yes, and for not working from a desk near us
2514. # [20:34] <bent> that means we have how many build systems now?
2515. # [20:34] <@ehsan> bz: vlad said his blog is syndicated
2516. # [20:34] <@ehsan> bent: 2
2517. # [20:34] <@ehsan> well, 3
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2519. # [20:34] <Pike> fabrice: because the tools that localizers use don't pick up changes made to hg
2520. # [20:34] <@ehsan> depending on who you ask
2521. # [20:34] <jlebar> I was going to make a chart, but it would have needed a logarithmic axis.
2522. # [20:34] <jlebar> Wow, vlad++
2523. # [20:34] <@ehsan> :D
2524. # [20:34] <bent> there's pymake, mach, ninja?
2525. # [20:34] <@ehsan> I liked that very much as well
2526. # [20:35] <@ehsan> bent: pymake is just a reimplementation of make
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2528. # [20:35] <@ehsan> there is make, and ninja
2529. # [20:35] <bent> oh, and vstudio soon :)
2530. # [20:35] <@bz> huh
2531. # [20:35] <@bz> it was on planet, indeed
2532. # [20:35] <fabrice> we use a bit of gyp too no?
2533. # [20:35] <@ehsan> (and moz.build if you consider that a build system)
2534. # [20:35] * @bz missed it somehow
2535. # [20:35] <@ehsan> fabrice: no, that's a non-goal for us
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2537. # [20:35] <@ehsan> we were basically trying to fix the edit-build-test cycle for gecko hackers
2538. # [20:36] <gps> gyp and moz.build are not build systems
2539. # [20:36] <fabrice> ehsan: did we convert the webrtc build system to something non-gyp?
2540. # [20:36] <@ehsan> which means ~0 no-op build overhead as the main requirement
2541. # [20:36] <@ehsan> fabrice: I'm not sure how we handle that tbh
2542. # [20:36] <jesup> fabrice: no
2543. # [20:36] <@ehsan> but this ninja thing doesn't care about that
2544. # [20:36] <jesup> And tricky since the upstream is very tied to gyp
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2546. # [20:36] <@ehsan> this ninja thing knows how to build webrtc
2547. # [20:36] <jesup> ehsan: right
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2549. # [20:37] <@ehsan> if that's your question
2550. # [20:37] <gps> jesup: we can convert gyp's data structures to any backend
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2552. # [20:37] <jesup> gps: right
2553. # [20:37] <gps> gyp is effectively moz.build
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2557. # [20:37] <jesup> gps: with different syntax.... ;-)
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2559. # [20:38] <gps> -> patch writing
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2562. # [20:38] <jesup> One thing I find confusing in gyp is a file named foo_android.cc will only be compiled on android (instead of using conditionals for OS)
2563. # [20:38] <jesup> but that doesn't come up too often
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2565. # [20:38] <@ehsan> bz/jlebar/others: if you wanna try out the ninja build, expect to have to fix a few things, since it only works for a few people right now
2566. # [20:39] <jlebar> ehsan: I'll keep an eye on that XKCD chart. :)
2567. # [20:39] <@ehsan> hehe
2568. # [20:39] * smaug changes topic to 'vlad nothing urgent just a quick update | log: http://logbot.glob.com.au/?c=developers'
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2570. # [20:40] * @khuey wonders what smaug is doing
2571. # [20:40] <jlebar> ehsan: The 1.5x speedup in touch-tarray builds is /huge/.
2572. # [20:40] <jlebar> ehsan: and probably scales with cores.
2573. # [20:40] <BenWa> bz: It's like like we're specifying mozilla on ninja directly. We have an automated conversion from the think you're currently building to ninja
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2575. # [20:40] <BenWa> So I woudln't call it a new build system really
2576. # [20:40] <@ehsan> jlebar: year, the linear scaling is the most interesting property here
2577. # [20:41] <@ehsan> that, and ~0 no-op build overhead
2578. # [20:41] <jlebar> yeah
2579. # [20:41] <@ehsan> jlebar: we happen to have a 24 core windows machine at the Toronto office... ;)
2580. # [20:41] <BenWa> jlebar: Yes, our next step is to investigate distrubuted compiling again
2581. # [20:41] <@ehsan> I need to test this on that machine
2582. # [20:41] <jlebar> yes.
2583. # [20:41] <BenWa> ehsan: Why have you tried it yet!
2584. # [20:41] <@ehsan> I have?
2585. # [20:42] <@ehsan> oh no
2586. # [20:42] <@ehsan> I misread that ;)
2587. # [20:42] <@bz> ehsan, BenWa: does it generally work on Mac?
2588. # [20:42] <BenWa> ehsan: Err why haven't you tried it again
2589. # [20:42] <BenWa> bz: Yes
2590. # [20:42] <@bz> ehsan, BenWa: awesome
2591. # [20:42] <@smaug> khuey: I just put the link to log back where it should be
2592. # [20:42] <@ehsan> bz: it... works if you don't use ccache
2593. # [20:42] <@bz> ehsan: :(
2594. # [20:42] <@bz> ehsan: that sucks
2595. # [20:42] <BenWa> bz: Too bad eclipse project syntax is retarded. Looks like we wont support it anytime soon
2596. # [20:42] <@ehsan> bz: and don't change something in js/src
2597. # [20:42] <@bz> ehsan: mmmm
2598. # [20:42] <BenWa> bz: but ninja + clang-complete wont be bad
2599. # [20:42] <@khuey> smaug: oh you didn't add the message to vlad in the topic?
2600. # [20:42] <@ehsan> bz: I'm trying that CCACHE_CCP2 thing right now
2601. # [20:42] * @khuey wonders who did
2602. # [20:42] <@smaug> nope
2603. # [20:42] <@bz> ehsan: ah, was the only issue with the fatal warning thing?
2604. # [20:43] <Ms2ger> * smaug has changed the topic to: vlad nothing urgent just a quick update | log: http://logbot.glob.com.au/?c=developers
2605. # [20:43] <@bz> ehsan: or was there another issue with ninja+ccache?
2606. # [20:43] <@ehsan> bz: yes
2607. # [20:43] <@ehsan> no that's it
2608. # [20:43] <@bz> ehsan: Sadly, I do touch js/src. :(
2609. # [20:43] <BenWa> ehsan: Try it on the 24 core :) I want to set a 'world record' m-c build time :)
2610. # [20:43] <@ehsan> bz: I think supporting that should be fairly easy
2611. # [20:43] <Ms2ger> * naveed__ changes topic to 'vlad nothing urgent just a quick update'
2612. # [20:43] <@ehsan> but need to check with vlad
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2614. # [20:43] <@ehsan> cause I've been away for 2 days
2615. # [20:43] <@ehsan> and everything has now changed ;)
2616. # [20:43] * Ms2ger changes topic to 'Next uplift 16 Sept || Want to help? See #introduction || http://logbot.glob.com.au/?c=developers'
2617. # [20:43] <gps> ehsan: and apply my patches from bug 850380 to shave a few more seconds from the world record time
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2622. # [20:45] <@ehsan> gps: our build system doesn't handle xpidl yet at all
2623. # [20:45] <@bz> mmm
2624. # [20:45] <@bz> does this ninja setup handle webidl generation?
2625. # [20:45] * @bz bets not
2626. # [20:45] <@bz> That's more of deal-breaker for me than js/src
2627. # [20:45] * @bz touches codegen a lot. :(
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2630. # [20:46] * @bz will keep an eye on this setup
2631. # [20:46] <Ms2ger> It would be nice if all the time spent on hacking together fundamentally broken build systems were spent on improving the actual build system
2632. # [20:46] <@ehsan> bz: no
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2634. # [20:46] <jlebar> Ms2ger: That dichotomy is false in a few ways...
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2637. # [20:46] <@ehsan> bz: it only handles C/C++ compilation
2638. # [20:47] <@ehsan> and linking
2639. # [20:47] <@bz> OK
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2641. # [20:47] <@ehsan> bz: yeah so it's probably not ready for your use yet...
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2643. # [20:47] <@ehsan> bz: fwiw adding support for all of this is relatively easy
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2646. # [20:48] <@ehsan> but we've been focusing on proving the basic concepts for now
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2648. # [20:48] <@ehsan> and by we I mean vlad and BenWa who wrote the code ;)
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2654. # [20:49] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/6e2d977529e4 - Neil Deakin - Bug 894736, pass clipboard type to data transfer so that the correct clipboard is used when pasting, r=ehsan
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2668. # [20:57] <avih> on osx, where i have firefox 23 installed, can i also install nightly and UX in parallel, where they'll all use the same profile? (only running one of them at a time, naturally). should i just also install the 2 other builds like any other application?
2669. # [20:57] <@ehsan> they will use the same profileby default
2670. # [20:57] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/adbe98d99318 - Ehsan Akhgari - Bug 902082 - Forward-declare PSpdyPush3 in nsILoadGroup.h; r=mcmanus
2671. # [20:57] <Mossop> What version of visual studio do we build mozilla-central with?
2672. # [20:57] <avih> ok, so i should just download the nightly and ux dmgs and install them normally?
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2675. # [20:58] <avih> ehsan: ^
2676. # [20:58] <@ehsan> depends on what you want to do!
2677. # [20:58] <@ehsan> but probably, yes
2678. # [20:58] <avih> ehsan: to test something on all builds, not concurrently.
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2681. # [20:59] <@ehsan> yeah that should work fine then!
2682. # [20:59] <avih> cool. thx!
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2702. # [21:07] <marco> are there problems in using Date.now() in mochitests to check how long an operation takes?
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2707. # [21:07] <mbrubeck> marco: Use performance.now instead if you can.
2708. # [21:07] <mbrubeck> marco: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/DOM/window.performance.now
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2712. # [21:08] <mbrubeck> marco: Date.now() is rounded to the nearest millisecond, and can get messed up if the system clock is altered or changed between calls (e.g. for daylight saving time). performance.now() avoids both those problems.
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2715. # [21:09] <marco> mbrubeck: the problem is that the component I'm testing uses Date.now(). Basically I'm testing the installation of an app and I want to check that installTime is < Date.now() (and > Date.now() before the install call)
2716. # [21:09] <marco> and the test is intermittently failing
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2719. # [21:10] <Ms2ger> marco, yes, there is a problem
2720. # [21:10] <Ms2ger> marco, in that you're trying to time something
2721. # [21:11] <marco> Ms2ger: what's the problem?
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2723. # [21:12] <tbsaunde> what mbrubeck just said?
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2727. # [21:12] <mbrubeck> marco: Do you know what the values of "before" and installTime and "after" are when it fails?
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2732. # [21:13] <marco> mbrubeck: no, it's not failing locally
2733. # [21:13] <mbrubeck> marco: They could be equal, for example, if it takes less than 1ms between timestamps. So make sure you are checking they are <= rather than <
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2735. # [21:13] <marco> yeah I'm checking <= and =>
2736. # [21:13] <mbrubeck> marco: You might want to check in some code that logs the values when the test fails.
2737. # [21:13] <RyanVM> gw280: ping
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2741. # [21:14] <marco> mbrubeck: yes, maybe it's the only way to understand what's going on
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2746. # [21:15] <mbrubeck> that reminds me... it looks like no one has fixed https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=891532
2747. # [21:15] <RyanVM> snorp: ping
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2749. # [21:16] <Mossop> gps: *sigh* the in-tree mozconfigs control which visual studio is used to do compilation, but "make -C b2g/app" doesn't load the mozconfig
2750. # [21:16] <mbrubeck> Callek|buildduty: Can you disable tegra-343? See bug 891532.
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2752. # [21:16] <NeilAway> aargh
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2754. # [21:17] <Waldo> marco: there have been cases where Date.now() was not a monotonic function; I definitely writing some code, once, that had to be careful about that
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2757. # [21:17] <mbrubeck> Callek|buildduty: Actually, I see some green mochitest-1 runs in https://secure.pub.build.mozilla.org/buildapi/recent/tegra-343
2758. # [21:17] <mbrubeck> so maybe it is fixed
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2762. # [21:18] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/b24fd0f0eb42 - Andrew Halberstadt - Bug 902002 - Don't display mach categories in help if no commands exist under them, r=gps, DONTBUILD, a=NPOTB
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2764. # [21:18] <gw280> RyanVM: hey
2765. # [21:18] <gps> Mossop: you shouldn't be using in-tree mozconfigs for local development
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2767. # [21:18] <Mossop> gps: I'm not, this is on tinderbox
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2770. # [21:18] <RyanVM> gw280: we're seeing Android 4.0 crashtest timeouts since your push landed on inbound
2771. # [21:19] <RyanVM> perma-fail :(
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2773. # [21:19] <gw280> RyanVM: what push? I haven't pushed recently?
2774. # [21:19] <NeilAway> what's the secret sauce to turning on scrollbar buttons in F19? I've got it on for other apps, just Gecko isn't paying attention
2775. # [21:19] <gps> Mossop: mozconfigs influence client.mk. also if you change a mozconfig, you may need to force a configure run
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2779. # [21:20] <RyanVM> gw280: sorry, I guess it was snorp's push officially - https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Mozilla-Inbound&rev=5e519aedb9d1
2780. # [21:20] <Callek|buildduty> mbrubeck: ok, let me (or sheriffs) know if it needs disabling then
2781. # [21:20] * NeilAway wonders who our linux widget peers are
2782. # [21:20] <gw280> I bet it was snorp's enable skiagl patch
2783. # [21:21] <RyanVM> gw280: should I be OK backing out just the one?
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2785. # [21:21] <gw280> RyanVM: none of the other patches should have caused that, so if it's an issue just backout 25c8d8674c1f
2786. # [21:21] <RyanVM> ok
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2788. # [21:21] <gw280> RyanVM: snorp's on a plane right now
2789. # [21:21] <RyanVM> excuses, excuses...
2790. # [21:21] <gw280> what GPU is on the android 4.0 builders?
2791. # [21:21] <gw280> is that a tegra?
2792. # [21:21] <gw280> or OMAP?
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2794. # [21:23] <mbrubeck> snorps on a plane is the one with Samuel L. Jackson, right?
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2799. # [21:25] <RyanVM> gw280: I have no idea what GPU pandas use
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2802. # [21:25] <gw280> RyanVM: it's an SGX
2803. # [21:25] <gw280> RyanVM: so almost certainly that patch :)
2804. # [21:25] <RyanVM> gw280: i'm going to have to backout more than the one cset
2805. # [21:26] <RyanVM> a later push conflicts
2806. # [21:26] <gw280> I think that and the 16x16?
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2812. # [21:26] <RyanVM> ecf856c21136
2813. # [21:27] <gw280> yep, the 16x16 patch
2814. # [21:27] <RyanVM> so yeah :)
2815. # [21:27] <gw280> cool, backout all of snorp's changes and leave mine in :D
2816. # [21:27] * gw280 laughs evilly
2817. # [21:28] <RyanVM> :D
2818. # [21:28] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/0c0680a788be - Ryan VanderMeulen - Bug 901963 - Fix crash in mozilla::plugins::PluginInstanceChild::SetWindowLongPtrWHook on Win64. r=ehsan
2819. # [21:28] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/99219212d2ba - Ryan VanderMeulen - Backed out 2 changesets (bug 902474, bug 902462) due to Android 4.0 crashtest timeouts.
2820. # [21:28] <RyanVM> gw280: I left him one token cset :)
2821. # [21:28] <gw280> RyanVM: yeah that token cset definitely won't be causing the issue
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2825. # [21:30] <krit> Does it need some magic to get SpecialPowers.pushPrefEnv working? It does not seem to activate ({'set': [["layout.css.filters.enabled", true]]}, function) for me
2826. # [21:31] <decoder> Yoric: btw, asan intercepts a whole bunch of other functions too, (e.g. strlen etc.) but for most of them i think nothing will break if they're not intercepted.
2827. # [21:31] <@bz> krit: activate in what sense?
2828. # [21:31] <decoder> just less error detection
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2830. # [21:31] <krit> bz: I want to enable the flag for the passed test
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2834. # [21:31] <krit> bz: and it is still deactivated when I use the above
2835. # [21:32] <@bz> krit: how are you detecting that it's deactivated?
2836. # [21:33] <krit> bz: first of all, the code does not execute, other then that with SpecialPowers.getBoolPref("layout.css.filters.enabled")
2837. # [21:33] <@bz> Oh, just parsing some CSS and seeing what happens?
2838. # [21:33] <krit> bz: right
2839. # [21:33] <@bz> hrm
2840. # [21:33] * @bz shuts up. ;)
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2842. # [21:33] <krit> hehe
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2844. # [21:35] <vlad> bz: can you point me to the rules for webidl codegen?
2845. # [21:35] <vlad> I was going to add support for binaries next, mainly so that the VS solutions can include them for fully integrated edit/compile/debug on windows
2846. # [21:36] <@bz> vlad: dom/bindings/Makefile.in
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2848. # [21:36] <@bz> vlad: they're ... finicky. :(
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2891. # [21:52] <bent> ha
2892. # [21:53] <bent> vlad, i wonder how badly vstudio's autocomplete crawler will do on all that generated code...
2893. # [21:53] <vlad> bent: works great
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2895. # [21:53] <bent> does it block opening the project forever?
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2898. # [21:53] * bent recalls that always used to happen
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2902. # [21:54] <vlad> bent: http://i.imgur.com/HensqzS.png
2903. # [21:54] * davidb salivates
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2905. # [21:54] <davidb> this will be great for new contributors
2906. # [21:54] <vlad> yeah
2907. # [21:54] <bent> that's 2010?
2908. # [21:55] <davidb> i bet
2909. # [21:55] <vlad> bent: yeah, I haven't tried 2012/2013, I will soon though
2910. # [21:55] <davidb> (of the windows kind)
2911. # [21:55] <vlad> (I don't see any reason why it shouldn't be fine)
2912. # [21:55] <evilpie> NeilAway: I answered
2913. # [21:55] <bent> supposedly 2013 got serious about not janking the UI with code parsing
2914. # [21:55] * cpeterson|lunch is now known as cpeterson
2915. # [21:55] <bent> at least, they blogged about it
2916. # [21:55] <bent> but i'm still skeptical
2917. # [21:56] <Yoric> decoder: Ok, thanks.
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2934. # [22:03] <jhammel> mozbase low-hanging fruit: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/2803879
2935. # [22:04] <jhammel> i am likely to work on manifestdestiny sctuff
2936. # [22:04] <jhammel> beh, wrong channel o_O
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2958. # [22:18] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/faf5cbc1c6ee - David Zbarsky - Bug 901060 - Make nsGenericHTMLElement implement nsIDOMHTMLElement r=bz
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2972. # [22:26] <@smaug> RyanVM: when m-i is merged to m-c and bugs are closed, do we have any special header in those bugmails?
2973. # [22:26] <@smaug> or is there any easy way to filter out those bugmails
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2976. # [22:27] <mcsmurf> X-Bugzilla-Who: ryanvm@gmail.com
2977. # [22:28] <mcsmurf> (not really I think, I don't see something special in those bugmails ;)
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2982. # [22:29] <Ms2ger> smaug, no
2983. # [22:30] * Ms2ger files an issue
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2985. # [22:30] <Ms2ger> smaug, but note that these comments can contain any text the user wants to
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2989. # [22:31] <@bz> Like "I merge in your general direction"?
2990. # [22:31] <mcsmurf> :D
2991. # [22:31] * Ms2ger throws a cow at bz
2992. # [22:32] <Ms2ger> smaug, RyanVM, https://bitbucket.org/graememcc/m-cmerge/issue/43/consider-making-the-bugmails-generated
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2994. # [22:33] <RyanVM> Ms2ger: smaug: the comments come through bzapi
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2996. # [22:33] <RyanVM> so I don't know about headers
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2998. # [22:34] <Ms2ger> RyanVM, yeah; a header isn't the only option, of course
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3008. # [22:39] <RyanVM> we probably *could* some magic text in the body
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3010. # [22:39] <RyanVM> could have some*
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3013. # [22:40] <RyanVM> Ms2ger: btw, it would be better to file your issue in bugzilla under the tbpl component
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3015. # [22:40] <RyanVM> it's where we've been filing them since mcMerge was imported into tbp
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3017. # [22:41] <Ms2ger> RyanVM, it's been imported?
3018. # [22:41] <RyanVM> yep
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3020. # [22:41] <RyanVM> even runs under tbpl on the production instance
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3024. # [22:42] <Ms2ger> Interesting
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3036. # [22:46] <@smaug> RyanVM: so could there be just some comment after the changeset url. Something like "hg merge"
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3040. # [22:47] <firebot> Check-in:
3041. # [22:47] <@smaug> though, that is too simple
3042. # [22:47] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/37855f545804 - Milan Sreckovic - Bug 900729: Make TextureFlags constant names (UseNearestFilter, NeedsYFlip, AllowRepeat, NewTile, ComponentAlpha) all caps in CompositorTypes.h and prefix them with
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3044. # [22:47] <firebot> TEXTURE_ for consistency and uniqueness. r=nsilva.
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3046. # [22:48] <Gijs> mats++
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3051. # [22:50] <RyanVM> smaug: that could probably be arranged
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3053. # [22:50] <RyanVM> smaug: honestly, it would be good from our standpoint too
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3056. # [22:51] <RyanVM> because it would make it more clear that the message is automated
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3060. # [22:52] <RyanVM> smaug: Ms2ger: file a bug under Webtools::Tinderboxpushlog
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3076. # [22:56] <Waldo> mbrubeck: the ts_paint numbers that show up on tinderbox, those are in ms, correct?
3077. # [22:57] <mbrubeck> Waldo: yes
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3080. # [22:58] <mihneadb> is there like a "new contributors ask questions here" irc channel?
3081. # [22:58] <evilpie> NeilAway: hey can you take a second look?
3082. # [22:58] <Waldo> mihneadb: #introduction
3083. # [22:58] <mihneadb> Waldo: ty
3084. # [22:58] <Waldo> mihneadb: (see /topic :-) )
3085. # [22:58] <Waldo> er
3086. # [22:58] <mihneadb> haha
3087. # [22:58] <Waldo> actually, that isn't quite the right sense
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3089. # [22:58] * mihneadb regrets adding a looong scrollback
3090. # [22:58] <mihneadb> I ll trust you on this one ;)
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3095. # [22:59] <Waldo> there
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3097. # [22:59] <mbrubeck> I think whoever wrote it meant "Want to help [us develop Firefox]?"
3098. # [22:59] <mihneadb> sweet
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3100. # [22:59] <mbrubeck> but it was definitely ambiguous
3101. # [22:59] <Waldo> hmm
3102. # [22:59] <Waldo> not sure that the "want to help others" sense really belongs there, to be honest
3103. # [22:59] <Waldo> although your sense makes equal sense
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3105. # [23:00] <Waldo> could just make it "need help? ..." if people think the other senses are sufficiently muddled
3106. # [23:00] <jgilbert> you need people who want to help others there, otherwise it's just the blind leading the blind :P
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3108. # [23:00] <mihneadb> jgilbert: ++
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3110. # [23:00] <Waldo> it's fair
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3113. # [23:00] <Waldo> question is whether advertising that in /topic here is the right way to do it or not
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3116. # [23:01] <Waldo> jgilbert: all you need is for the ones in the lead to yell really loud when they make a mistake ;-)
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3118. # [23:01] <jgilbert> I think it's worth it, since we don't have any other good form of discoverablility for IRC channels, to my knowledge
3119. # [23:02] <jgilbert> besides the ol' list-all-channels option
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3121. # [23:02] <jgilbert> Waldo: ah, the Torvalds approach? :P
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3123. # [23:03] <mihneadb> it's there https://wiki.mozilla.org/IRC#Join_some_channels_right_now.21
3124. # [23:03] <Waldo> #introduction has 120-odd people, so I suspect we have reasonable coverage of it on the helping-people side, without enhancing discovery
3125. # [23:03] <Waldo> and that
3126. # [23:03] <mihneadb> but what's the difference between newbies and intro
3127. # [23:03] <@smaug> hmm, "ERROR PROCESSING MOZBUILD FILE"
3128. # [23:03] <jgilbert> oh, neat
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3143. # [23:05] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/cb0f629f90fb - Wes Johnston - Bug 878416 - Allow file picker result to be null. r=liuche a=bajaj
3144. # [23:05] <@smaug> Ms2ger: but indeed, I don't like python syntax
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3147. # [23:06] <guestish> visual studio 2012 compiles faster than 2010
3148. # [23:06] <jgilbert> it can't compile for XP, though :\
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3150. # [23:07] <Waldo> psh, who uses twelve-year-old OSes anyway
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3153. # [23:07] <Ms2ger> Waldo, the people who are resisting removal of OS/2 code?
3154. # [23:07] <Waldo> BeOS4Life
3155. # [23:07] <guestish> jgilbert, you mean ff compiled on vs 2012 does't work on xp?
3156. # [23:07] <jgilbert> guestish: yes
3157. # [23:07] <Waldo> but actually, probably not :-)
3158. # [23:07] <guestish> didn't know that
3159. # [23:08] <Ms2ger> Waldo, BeOS4justalittlebit?
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3161. # [23:08] <jgilbert> and I can't seem to get 2010 to build, so it's especially bothersome
3162. # [23:08] <NeilAway> evilpie: sorry, was looking at another window
3163. # [23:08] <@ted> even the OS/2 people didn't seem really resistant to removing the code
3164. # [23:08] <Mook_as> jgilbert: I thought it can compile for XP, it just ends up using a set of 7.1 headers or something
3165. # [23:08] <@ted> i think they realize they're hacking on something with a very small audience
3166. # [23:08] <evilpie> NeilAway: sorry for pushing this like this
3167. # [23:09] <@ted> Mook_as: i haven't heard of anyone actually successfully building firefox in that way
3168. # [23:09] <@ted> so while i suspect it's possible, it may not be easy
3169. # [23:09] <Mook_as> ted: huh. komodo seems to work!
3170. # [23:09] <@smaug> how odd, I have empty toolkit/content/tests/widgets/moz.build
3171. # [23:09] <Ms2ger> ted, I do wonder why they needed their own build system
3172. # [23:09] <Mook_as> (at least, our QA guy managed to run it on a XP vm)
3173. # [23:09] <Ms2ger> smaug, that's correct
3174. # [23:09] <Ms2ger> smaug, everything that's in DIRS needs a moz.build file
3175. # [23:10] <tbsaunde> Ms2ger: they didn't like ours and kbuild isn't too terrible?
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3177. # [23:10] <Ms2ger> tbsaunde, it seems like they'd have enough actual work already
3178. # [23:11] <tbsaunde> Waldo: I think its somewhat effective to make people afraid just slightly like linus does?
3179. # [23:11] <tbsaunde> Ms2ger: yeah, probably
3180. # [23:11] <mccr8> dzbarsky: build failure on inbound
3181. # [23:11] <decoder> Yoric: is other stuff like strlen also redirected in that code? and how much code is affected by that? if it's a lot of code bypassing asan, then id probably want to fix that
3182. # [23:11] <@smaug> Ms2ger: sure, but that file has just one line which has 308 spaces
3183. # [23:11] <decoder> if it's only a tiny piece, then i dont care for now
3184. # [23:11] <dzbarsky> mccr8: i'm on it
3185. # [23:11] * Ms2ger blinks
3186. # [23:11] <mccr8> yay!
3187. # [23:11] <tbsaunde> on the other hand if you've accepted you're forking maybe easier to to maintain things if you make them the way you like /me shrugs
3188. # [23:12] <Ms2ger> smaug, ... not here
3189. # [23:12] <@smaug> hg diff doesn't say anything...
3190. # [23:12] <Waldo> tbsaunde: debatable; some people probably respond to it, others respond but just get exhausted doing so, others go away entirely
3191. # [23:12] <tbsaunde> Waldo: I absolutely by some people go away
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3193. # [23:13] <Waldo> that may work for Linux where lots of contributors are being paid by companies to do it
3194. # [23:13] <@smaug> Ms2ger: how odd. rm toolkit/content/tests/widgets/moz.build && hg update -C helped
3195. # [23:13] <Ms2ger> smaug, strange
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3198. # [23:13] <Waldo> Linux is somewhat unusual in the extent of that, and the size of the overall project, allowing such attrition to be less harmful than for other projects
3199. # [23:14] <evilpie> NeilAway: oh I see what you mean cmd_undo doesn't work on inputs, I will post a new patch using the docshell::docommand stuff
3200. # [23:14] <Waldo> regardless whether it "pays off" or not, tho, it doesn't seem right to me to act that way
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3203. # [23:14] <tbsaunde> Waldo: yeah, on the other hand I think mozilla is fairly far towards the other end of the spectrum in being really nice, so to an extent I think its just what you're used to
3204. # [23:15] <chmanchester> jgraham: the bug is 738393 for reference
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3208. # [23:15] <NeilAway> evilpie: yeah turns out cmd_copy is weird :s
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3211. # [23:15] <evilpie> to be honest I find all this command code weird
3212. # [23:15] <jgilbert> tbsaunde: sure, but part of many people's opinion on this is formed because they don't believe that it's possible to be both nice *and* effective
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3215. # [23:15] <Waldo> tbsaunde: I don't have a sense of the spectrum overall to know where we lie
3216. # [23:16] <jgilbert> which is what I like to think is what we do
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3218. # [23:16] <@smaug> evilpie: the command code is weird
3219. # [23:17] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/e3483fe77b6d - Suhas Nandakumar - Bug 786307: Implement RTCP MUX in MediaPipeline r=ekr
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3222. # [23:18] <@ted> tbsaunde: i like our generally accepted attitude around here
3223. # [23:18] <@ted> i like not having to deal with jerks on a regular basis
3224. # [23:18] <@ted> or at least, having it recognized that being a jerk is not cool
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3228. # [23:19] <Waldo> tbsaunde: there's more in Mozilla than just the really-nice end of the spectrum, that I've observed on rare occasions, so I don't think my sense of how different parts of the spectrum feel is too off-kilter
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3231. # [23:20] <tbsaunde> ted: I can see that on the other hand I sometimes wish I could be linux and be pissed off at people causing me grief
3232. # [23:20] <tbsaunde> s/linux/Linus/
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3235. # [23:22] <@ted> tbsaunde: hah
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3237. # [23:22] <@ted> also re: OS/2
3238. # [23:22] <@ted> "Besides that, there are several things about the way how the original build system is structured that I don't like."
3239. # [23:22] <@khuey> like all of the things?
3240. # [23:22] <@ted> so people hacking on OS/2 are just masochists :)
3241. # [23:22] <smontagu> there was a talk at one of the summits or work weeks on the importance of having jerks in the community
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3243. # [23:22] <vladan> status: profiling TART animations with jeff, Jeff filed bug 902639 and bug 902637
3244. # [23:22] <@ted> smontagu: hah, what was the gist?
3245. # [23:23] <@khuey> vladan: fail
3246. # [23:23] <Waldo> also, there's a difference between grumbling at code, and grumbling at people
3247. # [23:23] <vlad> jlebar: ping
3248. # [23:23] <vladan> ^ wrong channel (thx khuey)
3249. # [23:23] <jlebar> vladan: hi
3250. # [23:23] <jlebar> erm, vlad ^
3251. # [23:23] <Waldo> generally if I grumble at a person, it's me :-)
3252. # [23:23] <vlad> vladan: did avih update the TART to make it easier to profile?
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3255. # [23:23] <smontagu> ted: they provide a focus for everyone else's frustrations
3256. # [23:23] <vlad> jlebar: so I don't understand why we need the readlink
3257. # [23:23] <avih> vlad: i have, and posted the link at the last email
3258. # [23:24] <vlad> why do we care about a canonical path to MC?
3259. # [23:24] <jlebar> vlad: Well, we need an absolute path to MC, right?
3260. # [23:24] <vladan> vlad: he has.. in fact, i was planning to look at the profiles with you.. just haven't seen you in the office yet
3261. # [23:24] <vlad> jlebar: why?
3262. # [23:24] <jlebar> vlad: Because we're about to cd
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3264. # [23:24] <vlad> jlebar: oh, doh, right
3265. # [23:24] <@ted> smontagu: heh, interesting
3266. # [23:24] <avih> vlad: it's been ready for about 8 hours but vladan wasn't able to sit with you on it
3267. # [23:24] <vlad> jlebar: you can do it the other way around.. save $(dirname "$0")
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3269. # [23:24] <jlebar> vlad: Yes, but then we have the same problem in reverse.
3270. # [23:24] <vlad> jlebar: and reference $base/rules.mk.patch
3271. # [23:25] <vlad> no, beacuse $(dirname) exists :)
3272. # [23:25] <vlad> though argh, yeah
3273. # [23:25] <vlad> sorry, i'm not thinking staright today
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3275. # [23:25] <jlebar> vlad: Actually, I'm not sure what would be the problem with that, unless we need the absolute path to rules.mk.patch. Let me look at the script again.
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3277. # [23:26] <vlad> oh wait right, as long as we don't cd, we should be fine
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3282. # [23:27] <arnaud_bienner> dbaron: ping
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3284. # [23:27] <jlebar> vlad: Okay, I think that will work. I'll send you another pr.
3285. # [23:27] <jlebar> vlad: Windows has dirname?
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3287. # [23:27] <@dbaron> arnaud_bienner, pong, sort of, since I'm in a meeting
3288. # [23:29] <arnaud_bienner> dbaron: Thanks for your feedback regarding my patch :) However I have few questions. But I can send you a mail or leave a comment in the bug instead if you're busy atm.
3289. # [23:29] <@dbaron> arnaud_bienner, comment in the bug with a needinfo? ?
3290. # [23:29] <arnaud_bienner> dbaron: bug 875275, about layout for input type color
3291. # [23:30] <@dbaron> arnaud_bienner, yeah
3292. # [23:30] <vlad> jlebar: yeah
3293. # [23:30] <@dbaron> arnaud_bienner, a comment in the bug would be good, and use needinfo? so that I see it
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3295. # [23:30] <arnaud_bienner> ok, I will do it so
3296. # [23:30] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/0cac886e7d15 - ffxbld - Automated checkin: version bump for fennec 24.0b1 release. DONTBUILD CLOSED TREE a=release
3297. # [23:30] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/082b4ee10e75 - ffxbld - Added FENNEC_24_0b1_RELEASE FENNEC_24_0b1_BUILD2 tag(s) for changeset 0cac886e7d15. DONTBUILD CLOSED TREE a=release
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3311. # [23:37] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/810162a6bd0c - Boris Zbarsky - Bug 901816. Include Nullable and TypedArray headers in binding header files if we have dictionaries that have those as members. r=smaug
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3314. # [23:37] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/dd79223a1f3a - Boris Zbarsky - Bug 902485. Disallow copy constructors and operator= on WebIDL union structs, because those wouldn't do what you think they should. r=dzbarsky
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3328. # [23:45] <smontagu> ted: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gS2GBq5lKAU.
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3331. # [23:45] <evilpie> NeilAway: should I expose IsCommandEnabled on docShell as well and do the check in JS code?
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3336. # [23:49] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/e99ffebd41e4 - Felipe Gomes - Bug 888300 - Respect dom.w3c_touch_events.enabled property on win32 widget. r=jimm, a=bajaj
3337. # [23:49] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/fc0020792338 - Mike Hommey - Bug 901211 - Don't use static page size on ia64, sparc and mips. r=jlebar, a=bajaj
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3340. # [23:49] <Waldo> smontagu: oh, you were talking about the *no*-jerks rule :-)
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3345. # [23:49] <tanvi> smaug: ping
3346. # [23:49] <smontagu> Waldo: yes. he mentions in passing the "one asshole rule" as a possible variant, and that was what stuck in my mind from the whole talk
3347. # [23:50] <Waldo> ...ha, ha, ha :-)
3348. # [23:50] * Waldo has no recollection of that being mentioned as a possible variant :-)
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3350. # [23:50] <jlebar> lol
3351. # [23:51] <Waldo> and man, we're really digging deep, you're talking like 2006 or so
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3353. # [23:51] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/e177c3d6ffc2 - Jonathan Griffin - Bug 898074 - Backout c92dc0497dfb, a=test-only
3354. # [23:51] <smontagu> 2007
3355. # [23:51] <smontagu> https://intranet.mozilla.org/All_Hands/3Q2007
3356. # [23:52] <@ted> man
3357. # [23:52] <@ted> i must have been there
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3359. # [23:53] <@smaug> tanvi: pong
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3361. # [23:53] <Waldo> ted: according to that page "Theodore Mielzcarek" wasn't able to attend
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3370. # [23:55] <@ted> Waldo: haha
3371. # [23:55] <@ted> okay
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3373. # [23:55] <@ted> i guess that's why i don't remember it!
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3378. # [23:56] <@ted> Waldo: oh, i was on vacation apparently
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3383. # [23:59] <tanvi> smaug: looks like I left out a case when working on frame navigation for mixed content blocker. In bug 841850, we ensured that if you click a link in a frame and it has a target of _blank, the mixed content blocker would not block it (because it was creating a new docshell/tab). We should also allow the navigation if the target is _top and going to navigate the current tab - bug 902350
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