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# Session Start: Fri Aug 09 00:00:00 2013
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# [00:01] <mbrubeck> RyanVM|afk, jimm, Tomcat: So the backout is on m-c and I triggered pgo builds so we can tell if it's worked. I guess we can wait (several hours) for those results before merging that to other branches...
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# [00:02] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/1cb028ae400b - Mats Palmgren - Bug 898871 - Add more nsWeakFrame checks around scroll operations. r=roc
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# [00:02] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/edb54dd2914d - Mats Palmgren - Bug 898871 - Add an assertion that the pres shell was not deleted by some script runner, which should not happen here since the caller must hold a strong ref before
# [00:02] <firebot> starting the scroll operation. r=roc
# [00:02] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/cd25013aa033 - Mats Palmgren - Bug 898871 - Hold a strong ref on the pres shell while scrolling, check for damage afterwards. r=roc
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# [00:15] <@ehsan> bz: you're called "Vacation until Aug 19. Do not ask for review." on bugzilla now fwiw
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# [00:18] <reuben> r=vacation
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# [00:20] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/45d47ebbe0fe - Jeff Gilbert - Bug 883364 - Fail on webgl failure instead of timing out in reftests. r=dzbarsky
# [00:20] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/f63d9777060c - Jeff Gilbert - Bug 883364 - Mark android 2.2 tests as random until we find why ARMv6 slaves fails to create webgl contexts. r=bjacob
# [00:20] <tbsaunde> ehsan: I think that's inteded
# [00:20] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/502a29caa1c1 - Jeff Gilbert - Bug 883364 - Remove &nogl tests from webgl reftests. r=dzbarsky
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# [00:21] <@ehsan> haha could be
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# [00:29] <karl> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=26306785&full=1&branch=try#error0 has a linux32 opt crash
# [00:30] <karl> the stack addresses resolve to symbols in firefox but not libxul.so
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# [00:31] <karl> it's an oom crash, but i'd like to know what all the threads are doing
# [00:32] <mbrubeck> marco: d'oh: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=854975#c18
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# [00:33] <karl> i guess i can download the symbols file and try to resolve manually; is there a tool for manually looking up addresses in crashreporter symbols?
# [00:34] <marco> mbrubeck: I'm waiting for new results after https://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/eb4c765215c7
# [00:34] <karl> glandium: is there something like addr2line for crashreporter symbols?
# [00:35] <karl> guessing this is likely to fail anyway if it didn't work on tinderbox
# [00:35] <mbrubeck> marco: that one was after your patch, but it was in the wrong test file
# [00:35] <marco> maybe I should push the same change also for test_launch_path
# [00:35] <marco> yep
# [00:35] <glandium> karl: i... don't know. ask ted
# [00:35] <karl> ted: is there something like addr2line for crashreporter symbols?
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# [00:43] <bz> ehsan: ping
# [00:43] <karl> i guess i could try to build again with --disable-install-strip to get the symbols in the executable
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# [00:43] <@ehsan> bz: pong
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# [00:55] <NeilAway> bz: so, when I write foo.bar.apply(foo, args) and I get a webidl type error on argument 1, that's actually args[0]?
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# [01:00] <NeilAway> avih: btw I would have tried hg debugancestor X Y - iirc it will print X if Y descends from X
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# [01:02] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/18236f0722de - Nicholas Nethercote - Bug 898914 (part 2) - Avoid some bool shuffling.
# [01:02] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/7db702296585 - Nicholas Nethercote - Bug 898914 (part 1) - Remove JSBool.
# [01:02] <NeilAway> mrbkap: ping
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# [01:02] <avih> NeilAway: sounds even nicer than contains, ans the order doesn't matter and it doesn't need the '-c' ;)
# [01:02] <avih> as the*
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# [01:07] <bz> ehsan: sorry
# [01:07] <bz> ehsan: ping was about https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=874923
# [01:08] <mrbkap> NeilAway: pong
# [01:08] <bz> ehsan: do you think you might have a chance to check whether it's still an issue?
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# [01:14] <NeilAway> mrbkap: so, I'm trying to figure out what to do for bug 902312
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# [01:16] <mrbkap> NeilAway: ick.
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# [01:16] <mrbkap> NeilAway: How many more places are there to fix (mentioned at the end of comment 4)?
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# [01:17] <NeilAway> mrbkap: I see six references to tabContainer.childNodes
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# [01:18] <NeilAway> mrbkap: I think my best bet is to move the <children> first and then switch to 1-indexing
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# [01:31] <nrc> why did inbound just give me one changest url instead of 11?
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# [01:31] <nrc> has something changed?
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# [01:31] <nthomas> you mean firebot's reporting of your push ?
# [01:32] <mbrubeck> or the push hook at your terminal?
# [01:32] <marco> Mossop: ping
# [01:32] <Mossop> marco: pong
# [01:32] <nrc> the push in my terminal
# [01:32] <marco> Mossop: about the patch for bug 851217
# [01:33] <marco> in the webapp runtime we don't have the brand.dtd file
# [01:33] <Mossop> Yep
# [01:33] <Mossop> Though that may bite you a lot
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# [01:34] <marco> Mossop: I've seen where it's used in toolkit/, I think we need a fix like that only for downloads and for the blocklist
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# [01:35] <marco> anyway, how do you propose to proceed without checking Services.appinfo.ID?
# [01:36] <Mossop> marco: Does trying to get the brand.properties string bundle throw when it doesn't exist? If so there is the perfect test
# [01:36] <Waldo> nrc: if you push >=10 things you get one URL, I think
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# [01:36] <marco> Mossop: I don't know, I'll try
# [01:36] <nrc> Waldo: that seems like a bad heuristic - the more things you push, the more useful it is to have all the URLs in a list
# [01:37] <marco> so you'd prefer a try catch to the Services.appinfo.ID check?
# [01:37] <Mossop> Yes
# [01:37] <Waldo> nrc: the more things you push, the less useful each individual URL is, and more more your terminal gets spammed :-)
# [01:37] <Waldo> nrc: note tbpl has a copy-all-changesets link
# [01:37] <mbrubeck> RyanVM|afk, Tomcat, KWierso|Home: I'm stepping afk for a bit, but I'll be in and out all evening to watch the tree.
# [01:37] <nrc> true, but I don't care as much about my terminal as I do about copy/pasting the urls into the bug
# [01:37] <Waldo> although I dunno if it works with cset collapsing
# [01:38] <nrc> Waldo: it does? awesome
# [01:38] * nrc looks for that
# [01:38] <mbrubeck> you have to hover over a posh
# [01:38] <mbrubeck> a push, even
# [01:38] <Waldo> only posh pushes have it
# [01:38] <marco> Mossop: with this patch it's ok, but for example for the blocklist we wanted to use the webapp name
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# [01:39] <nrc> oh yes, 'list changset URLs'
# [01:39] <Mossop> marco: Any reason you aren't just putting the webapp name into brand.dtd?
# [01:39] <marco> Mossop: we can't, because the webapp name isn't known at build time
# [01:40] <marco> unless we can create a dtd on-the-fly
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# [01:40] <Mossop> Pretty straightforward to write files at runtime I think
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# [01:43] <marco> Mossop: so is it possible? do you have any reference?
# [01:43] <Mossop> To writing files? https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Code_snippets/File_I_O I guess
# [01:44] <Mossop> You'll have to map the brand chrome content directory to some directory you can write to. I have no idea how webapprt works for whether that is possible or not
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# [01:46] <marco> Mossop: yep, I know how to write files :D I needed some reference to map the chrome url to something created on-the-fly
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# [01:46] <marco> because I didn't think it was possible
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# [01:47] <Mossop> marco: You can load manifest files on the fly but that's not what I'd do. I'd just create the manifest at build time, point it to an empty directory and then write brand.dtd into it when you have the info you need
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# [01:49] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/901902206d27 - Bobby Holley - Bug 901362 - Give EvaluateString consumers the option to propagate exceptions instead of reporting. r=gabor
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# [01:58] <marco> and that omni.ja is stored in the Firefox installation directory
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# [02:02] <marco> correct me if I'm wrong: you'd package an empty.dtd file and then write into it later
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# [02:13] <nalexander> marco: no idea what platforms this applies to, but writing to omni.ja is not feasible on Android.
# [02:14] <marco> nalexander: it's desktop
# [02:14] <nalexander> kk
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# [02:20] <marco> Mossop: anyway I think we can't do that, because the file should be different for each application
# [02:20] <marco> and at the same time it must be shared because we define it at build time
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# [02:24] <Mossop> marco: I think there is too much I don't understand about how webapprt works to advise right now, and it is time I was heading off for the evening. Can you send me an email reminding me and I'll write down a couple of options that I think might work for you tomorrow
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# [02:25] <marco> Mossop: yep, thank you
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# [02:31] <efaust> hey is xpcshelltest failing on try? It seems awfully common scrolling down the page...
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# [03:00] <mbrubeck> efaust: botond's push (two after yours) has green xpcshell
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# [03:01] <mbrubeck> definitely curious that several pushes in a row hit the same error though
# [03:02] <nthomas> common parent with bustage ?
# [03:02] <mbrubeck> actually no, terrence hit a different one
# [03:02] <mbrubeck> so just two with the test_plugins error
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# [03:02] <mbrubeck> and they don't share a common parent, and efaust's parent at least was not busted
# [03:02] <seth> "The Descent of Bustage"
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# [03:03] <mbrubeck> Yoric hit the same orange several pushes earlier too
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# [03:10] <efaust> mbrubeck: I'm not saying I'm definitely innocent, just that it seems a strange coincidence.
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# [03:21] <efaust> admittedly it's not the same configure flags
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# [04:16] <snorp> um
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# [04:17] <mfinkle> no edmorely, philor or RyanVM
# [04:17] <snorp> yeah who is sherriffing
# [04:17] <snorp> also this explains why I haven't been backed out yet
# [04:17] <mfinkle> blassey is on his way
# [04:19] <snorp> ah apparently Callek|Buildduty is who we want
# [04:19] <Callek|Buildduty> no I'm not
# [04:19] <Callek|Buildduty> I like to hide
# [04:19] <snorp> heh
# [04:19] <Callek|Buildduty> also I'm not a sheriff :-)
# [04:19] <snorp> crap
# [04:20] <Callek|Buildduty> I have access, and did it sometimes as a volunteer so theres a chance I can help, but unlikely I'll be all that useful at 10:30pm local time
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# [04:20] <snorp> it is 10:30 here too
# [04:20] <mjrosenb|ARM> Callek|Buildduty: what exactly is "Buildduty" then?
# [04:20] <mfinkle> and here
# [04:20] <snorp> yeah also that
# [04:20] <mjrosenb|ARM> Tomcat: you do sherriff like things?
# [04:20] <Callek|Buildduty> mjrosenb|ARM: https://wiki.mozilla.org/ReleaseEngineering:Buildduty
# [04:20] <blassey> I'll disable crash tests on central
# [04:20] <mfinkle> for snorp, we need to hid the androi 4.0 crashtests
# [04:20] <ewong> mjrosenb|ARM: he's likely asleep.. :)
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# [04:20] <snorp> blassey: it's on inbound too
# [04:21] <snorp> I am just not sure what you did before
# [04:21] <mjrosenb|ARM> ewong: really? I seem to remember usually interacting with him at around this hour.
# [04:21] <snorp> so I was confused and also you need a sherriff password?
# [04:21] <blassey> snorp: what's on inbound?
# [04:21] <snorp> blassey: panda crashtests are shown
# [04:21] <mjrosenb|ARM> although I havea very poor concept of time.
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# [04:21] <snorp> wait
# [04:22] <snorp> maybe they're not wtf?
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# [04:22] <snorp> did I somehow have a stale tbpl?
# [04:22] <Callek|Buildduty> blassey: snorp : mfinkle: ummm I'd be loathe to hide them just because someone broke them
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# [04:22] <blassey> Callek|Buildduty: I"m hiding htem
# [04:22] <snorp> Callek|Buildduty: well we talked to ateam about it earlier
# [04:22] <Callek|Buildduty> blassey: snorp : mfinkle : https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Mozilla-Inbound&jobname=Panda.*crashtest&rev=f538bf3eafc3 was green https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Mozilla-Inbound&jobname=Panda.*crashtest&rev=82a46209e728 is red
# [04:22] <blassey> Callek|Buildduty: its not because some one broke them
# [04:22] <blassey> its because they're meaningless
# [04:23] <Callek|Buildduty> blassey: then _make sure_ there is a releng bug to disable them from running
# [04:23] <Callek|Buildduty> if they are useless and red, I absolutely do not want to be running them.
# [04:23] <blassey> Callek|Buildduty: ateam doesn't want to disable them from running
# [04:23] <blassey> again, discussed on #ateam
# [04:23] <mfinkle> i think the plan is to make snorp fix them
# [04:23] * Callek|Buildduty sighs, sends e-mail and calls it a night
# [04:23] <blassey> yup
# [04:23] <snorp> yes I promise to fix them
# [04:23] <snorp> some day
# [04:23] <blassey> once he gets a panda
# [04:24] <mfinkle> board, a pandaboard
# [04:24] <snorp> no an actual panda
# [04:24] <snorp> though
# [04:24] <mfinkle> snorp + panda = hilarious odd couple movie?
# [04:24] <snorp> where the hell am I gonna get 300 pounds of bamboo?
# [04:24] <snorp> they eat bamboo right
# [04:24] <snorp> not children?
# [04:24] <blassey> they're hidden on central and inbound
# [04:24] <snorp> woo
# [04:24] <snorp> blassey: thanks.
# [04:24] <blassey> np
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# [04:25] <snorp> blassey: yeah, wtf?
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# [04:25] <snorp> it wasn't listed in history either
# [04:25] <blassey> meh... maybe the transaction didn't go through
# [04:25] <snorp> I guess
# [04:26] <blassey> I don't see any 4.0 crash tests on inbound now though
# [04:26] <blassey> nor central
# [04:26] <snorp> yup me neither
# [04:26] <blassey> presumably they need to be hidden on fx-inbound, graphics etc.
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# [04:27] <snorp> blah blah blah
# [04:27] <snorp> (but yeah)
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# [04:27] <snorp> heh on graphics trying to unhide does nothing
# [04:28] <snorp> doesn't prompt for password or message
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# [04:28] <snorp> err, trying to hide that is
# [04:28] <snorp> oh now it does
# [04:29] <philor> so what about R4?
# [04:29] <snorp> not my problem :)
# [04:29] <snorp> (um, I don't think at least?)
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# [04:30] <philor> nope, blassey's
# [04:31] <snorp> philor: it failed before my patch at least
# [04:31] <snorp> oh ouch
# [04:31] <snorp> run! hide!
# [04:31] <snorp> looks intermittent
# [04:31] <snorp> wow holy shit that patch is awesome though
# [04:31] * philor snickers at "we're not hiding crashtests because someone broke them, well, someone did and we're going to make him fix them, but we're hiding them because they are meaningless, but we don't want to stop running them"
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# [04:31] <snorp> philor: :)
# [04:32] <philor> why not just say "yeah, snorp broke them, but we'd rather go without test coverage than back out"?
# [04:32] <snorp> because that's not true?
# [04:32] <snorp> there is a metric assload of test coverage on canvas
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# [04:32] <snorp> I assure you
# [04:32] <snorp> but we don't want to lose crashtests forever, which is why we're fixing them
# [04:32] <philor> and the timeout stops crashtests from running, right?
# [04:33] <blassey> philor: If you want to call me on it, go a head and disable them
# [04:33] <blassey> crash tests are meaningless on mobile
# [04:33] <blassey> they provide 0 value
# [04:33] <philor> excellent, then let's stop running them!
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# [04:33] <blassey> other than the feel good warm and fuzzies of "we run all the same tests on desktop and mobile"
# [04:33] <philor> saves time and electricity
# [04:34] <mjrosenb|ARM> what exactly are crash tests?
# [04:34] <philor> but I'm much more worried about GeckoViews and editor reftests, where the placement of the caret now seems to not be deterministic
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# [04:34] <philor> lot more annoying to hide those
# [04:35] <blassey> it would be interesting to know why skiaGL makes crash tests crash, but probably not in a way that will make anything any better
# [04:35] <philor> didn't look to me like crash, just timeout in one particular one
# [04:35] <philor> though without having skip-if'ed that one, you can't tell whether there are more timeouts behind it
# [04:35] <blassey> s/crash/fail
# [04:36] <snorp> philor: it wasn't one particular one
# [04:36] <snorp> it was a general area
# [04:36] <philor> mjrosenb|ARM: crashtests are reftests where you don't care what the rendering looks like, as long as you don't crash (or time out)
# [04:36] <philor> snorp: oh, I only looked at 10 or so
# [04:36] <snorp> philor: if I try to run the crashtests on my phone with a vanilla tree they OOM
# [04:36] <snorp> so...
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# [04:37] <philor> yeah, they weren't easy to get green on either tegras or pandas
# [04:37] <philor> thus ateam's lack of desire to see them just get thrown in the trash, I presume
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# [04:38] <philor> lots of them being "survive this thing that used to OOM us and crash us, bwahahaha"
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# [04:38] <snorp> philor: but anyway, we pass mochitests and reftests with skiagl just fine
# [04:39] <snorp> which exercise it much harder than crashtests
# [04:39] <snorp> so I'm not that worried that there is actually a super important bug
# [04:39] <snorp> but, I do want to fix it.
# [04:39] <philor> good luck, and good luck with the regressions that land while it's not running most of the tests
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# [04:47] <philor> blassey: so, hide R4 rather than backing you out?
# [04:48] <blassey> why do you say that?
# [04:48] <philor> I asked that
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# [04:48] <blassey> why do you ask that?
# [04:48] <philor> because my plan was, get home from work, back out snorp for breaking crashtests, back out you for breaking editor tests with a caret in them
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# [04:49] <philor> then I got home, and it turned out that one patch was more interesting than continuing to run tests, and that's something I'm unable to evaluate, so maybe the other one is, too
# [04:50] <blassey> philor: its funny that you continue to assert that when I've repeatedly said that crash test off little to no value to us
# [04:50] <blassey> which is why it is being hidden
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# [04:52] <philor> and you coincidentally discovered that fact right as it began timing out, right, got it
# [04:52] <philor> are the things in R4 valuable to you?
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# [04:52] <philor> also? BULLSHIT
# [04:53] <blassey> philor: actually discovered it long ago
# [04:53] <blassey> just had no reason to disable them until they were blocking snorp from landing
# [04:53] <blassey> r4 provides value
# [04:53] <blassey> if you're looking for a resolution, back the patch out
# [04:53] <blassey> I'll look into the failures tomorrow
# [04:53] <philor> thank you
# [04:54] <blassey> but, there's absolutely no reason to speak to me that way
# [04:54] <blassey> I take particular offense to being called a liar
# [04:54] <philor> good night
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# [05:14] <mbrubeck> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geronimo#Alleged_theft_of_skull
# [05:14] <mbrubeck> I hope, someday, my wikipedia article has a section titled "Alleged theft of skull"
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# [06:13] <@njn> tbsaunde: the js/public/ headers are not all self-contained, unfortunately
# [06:13] <@njn> tbsaunde: on my todo list, but not terribly high up
# [06:13] <@njn> tbsaunde: so, "yes"
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# [06:41] <bz> Is operator new[] infallible???
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# [06:46] <tbsaunde> glandium: ^
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# [06:52] <Mook> looks like yes, http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/memory/mozalloc/mozalloc.h#210
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# [06:53] <bz> insane
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# [06:54] <Mook> that part happened by making things infallible without opt-in :p
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# [07:21] <bz> Mook: we could have made operator new infallible but operator new[] fallible
# [07:21] <bz> anyway
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# [07:46] <RattyAway> https://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/dcb7c39d1cf8#l4.2
# [07:46] <RattyAway> Shouldn't purely presentational CSS be in toolkit/themes/ instead of toolkit/content/ ?!?
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# [07:47] <@njn> bz: but what about all those |new Foo[2]| cases?
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# [07:59] <jlebar> markh: Not a problem at all; thanks a lot for finding this!
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# [07:59] <markh> jlebar: thanks!
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# [08:15] <markh> jlebar: that jungle of #ifdefs seems to prevent me moving that variable declaration any closer...
# [08:16] <jlebar> markh: orly
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# [08:16] <jlebar> markh: oh, I see. Okay.
# [08:16] <jlebar> That is quite a mess indeed.
# [08:16] <markh> yeah
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# [08:21] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/87b19d2934a0 - Mark Hammond - Bug 902790 - prevent browser crash if child process fails to start. r=jlebar
# [08:21] <jlebar> markh: do we need that on b2g18?
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# [08:22] <markh> I'm not sure. In the non-windows branch at least I think it will cause a hang, as it waits for messages from the child without checking for success.
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# [08:22] <markh> which I haven't confirmed (but a report of that is what led me to that code in the first place)
# [08:22] <markh> so really that bug is just for windows, and I think we need another to investigate other platforms
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# [08:23] <jlebar> markh: okay. If we even have a report of this happening in b2g, maybe we should try to take it.
# [08:23] <jlebar> markh: if we can convince the powers that be... :)
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# [08:24] <markh> jlebar: see http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/ipc/glue/GeckoChildProcessHost.cpp#650 - the code is quite different than windows, so I think we need that *plus* extra code to early-exit on failure
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# [08:24] <markh> oh
# [08:24] <markh> that looks like only mac
# [08:24] <markh> so yeah, b2g might well want it
# [08:24] <jlebar> markh: no, there's an endif
# [08:25] <jlebar> Or at least, that was my initial reaction; maybe we're looking at something else.
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# [08:25] <markh> I'm thinking we launch, then if we enter the "#ifdef MOZ_WIDGET_COCOA" at line 661, we hang
# [08:25] <jlebar> Ah, I see.
# [08:26] <markh> but yeah, non-cocoa should be fixed with that IIUC
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# [08:26] <jlebar> markh: You seem to be very much in control of this, but let me know if you need me to weigh in on an approval request.
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# [08:26] <markh> well - I'm poor on the process :) How should I get the attention of b2g powers-that-be?
# [08:27] <jlebar> markh: Marking the bug as leo? should be sufficient. But you need to write up a comment saying that there's zero risk and that the world ends if we don't take this patch.
# [08:27] <markh> heh - ok, thanks
# [08:27] <@gavin> we should probably only write that comment if it's true :)
# [08:27] <jlebar> gavin: you'd think. But when people have been honest in bugs, they've been leo-'ed.
# [08:27] <markh> apart from the world ending, it is :)
# [08:28] <jlebar> The lesson I've learned is that honesty means nothing gets in.
# [08:28] * markh is suddenly scared of this leo person he's never before heard of...
# [08:28] <jlebar> I think our conception of risk has become so deflated that anything other than "zero risk" means "no".
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# [08:28] <jlebar> Or, our terminology for risk, or something.
# [08:29] <@gavin> I don't know who you're referring to exactly, but in any case we digress
# [08:29] <@gavin> what evidence do we have that this is a problem for b2g?
# [08:29] <markh> none - just code inspection
# [08:29] <jlebar> well, and evidence that we hit it on Windows, and it's the same code, right?
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# [08:31] <Tomcat> mjrosenb|ARM: good morning, sorry was sleeping last night :) reading backlog now
# [08:32] <@gavin> I'm not close to the code, but that seems like a weak case :)
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# [08:32] <jlebar> gavin: to fix an uninitialized variable?
# [08:32] <mjrosenb|ARM> Tomcat: evidently, I don't know the difference between 11 pm and 3 am.
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# [08:33] <markh> or is the bug the failure to check the result of a bool function? :)
# [08:33] <@gavin> no, clearly we should fix it
# [08:33] <@gavin> but earlier you were saying "the world will end", and that seems premature
# [08:33] <jlebar> gavin: the question is whether we should take it on branches.
# [08:33] <markh> anyway, did the needinfo thang on leo - let's see what he says
# [08:33] <Tomcat> :)
# [08:34] <markh> gavin: we should certainly take it on fx branches?
# [08:34] <jlebar> Ah, "the world will end", yeah. Like I say, nothing happens without exaggeration. Release drivers will leo- if it's not apocalyptic, and then you're arguing for an appeal which is much more difficult than if you'd gotten your way to begin with.
# [08:34] <markh> gavin: can you do whatever you think should be done re tracking flags etc?
# [08:34] <@gavin> maybe you're getting -ed because you're overstating things :)
# [08:34] <jlebar> I don't question that it's messed up.
# [08:35] <@gavin> markh: not sure about that either - I suppose it affects all plugin-containers?
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# [08:35] * @njn wishes |#if FOO| gave a warning or something if FOO wasn't defined
# [08:35] <markh> gavin: yeah, and the link to the crash stats shows it *is* being hit, and komodo AV seems relevant in some cases
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# [08:35] <@gavin> ok
# [08:35] <markh> stooopid av stopping our child being launched :(
# [08:36] <jlebar> Anyway, gotta go to bed.
# [08:36] <jlebar> 'night, everyone.
# [08:36] <@gavin> markh: wrong leo :)
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# [08:36] <markh> jlebar: thanks!
# [08:36] <markh> doh!
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# [08:36] * markh thought :leo *must* be the correct leo :)
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# [08:42] <markh> so leo's not even a person!
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# [08:49] <Ms2ger> Bonjour
# [08:49] <Tomcat> good morning Ms2ger
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# [08:49] <@njn> markh: if it makes you feel better, I had to ask for clarification on exactly what "leo" is just earlier this week
# [08:50] <markh> njn: :) It does - but I'm still in the dark!
# [08:52] <markh> ok, not in the dark any more :)
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# [08:55] <Ms2ger> Dreyfus?
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# [09:09] <Kailas> Hi, Could anybody give me suggestion that how can I get innerWindowID in the function: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/security/manager/ssl/src/SSLServerCertVerification.cpp#204
# [09:10] <Kailas> In "nsScriptError::InitWithWindowID" it is require as a last parameter.
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# [09:17] <@gavin> Kailas: that might be tricky
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# [09:18] <Kailas> gavin: Is there any way I can get hold of a document object
# [09:18] <Kailas> gavin: then it might be possible for me to get windowID
# [09:18] <@gavin> this code is lower-level than documents
# [09:18] <@gavin> you would need to propagate that information down somehow, if it isn't already
# [09:19] <Kailas> gavin: I am working on adding error category to SSL errors
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# [09:19] <@gavin> I figured :)
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# [09:21] <Kailas> gavin: it is a correct place to add category for SSL certificate errors?
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# [09:23] <@gavin> seems likely
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# [09:24] <Kailas> gavin: do you have idea or clue where I can get document object. Then I can try to propagate it the function I am working
# [09:24] <@gavin> you can't get the document object directly
# [09:25] <@gavin> like I said before, to get a window ID at that level you likely need to propagate it manually
# [09:25] <@gavin> through whatever chain ends up reporting the error
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# [09:32] <@gavin> this code is impossible to trace through
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# [09:32] <@gavin> maybe you could tack it on to TransportSecurityInfo? can't tract back where that originally comes from
# [09:32] <@gavin> you should ask someone who knows PSM
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# [09:34] <gaston> why isnt about:buildconfig and about:support not showing gecko.buildID ? that'd be valuable info imo ...
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# [09:37] <Kailas> gavin: Thanks!
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# [10:05] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/fe7a314efca0 - Jan de Mooij - Bug 902908 - Rename js/src/ion to js/src/jit. r=luke
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# [10:12] <jandem> ugh I forgot to clobber
# [10:12] <jandem> will push a patch now
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# [10:13] <Tomcat> oh hai jandem :)
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# [10:17] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/105f90f2e28b - Jan de Mooij - Bug 902908 - Touch CLOBBER file
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# [10:21] <Tomcat> jandem: i stopped the build generation for your first push, since you did now the clobber checkin anyway
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# [10:21] <jandem> changes to CLOBBER are always DONTBUILD now?
# [10:22] <jandem> Tomcat: ^^
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# [10:22] <Tomcat> glandium: ^ do you know ?
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# [10:23] <glandium> why would they?
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# [10:23] <jandem> glandium: I don't know, but I'm not seeing any builds after 10 minutes
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# [10:24] <Tomcat> jandem: doing now a clobebr via the build ui, maybe that helps
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# [10:25] <Tomcat> jandem, pinging the guys in #releng
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# [10:29] <jandem> Tomcat: thanks!
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# [10:31] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/80c3c00e0b3c - Julian Seward - Bug 880158 - Remove glibc backtrace() native unwind on Linux. r=bgirard.
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# [10:47] <Anupkumar> can anyone tell me briefly on how to submit a patch?
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# [10:48] <Standard8> Anupkumar: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Developer_Guide/How_to_Submit_a_Patch
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# [10:49] * Standard8 is super surprised that nsLocalFileWin::AppendRelativePath doesn't accept '..' :-(
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# [10:50] <Anupkumar> Standard8: Sir, I have created and saved the changes which are done to the code in a "diff.txt" file. Now what should I do?
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# [10:50] <Standard8> Anupkumar: either attach it to an existing bug, or file a new bug and attach it to that
# [10:51] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/c8069eb3a875 - Jonathan Kew - bug 571579 - remove unused ScheherazadeRegAAT.ttf font file from the tree. r=jdaggett
# [10:51] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/90943a435604 - Jonathan Kew - bug 880818 - check for failure when creating the cairo_scaled_font in gfxFT2Font::GetOrMakeFont. r=jdaggett
# [10:51] <Standard8> Anupkumar: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Developer_Guide/How_to_Submit_a_Patch#Attaching_the_patch
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# [10:51] <Standard8> and following section
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# [10:54] <Anupkumar> Standard8: So now since I have a patch file, I just need to attach it to the bug and then submit it right?
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# [10:54] <jfkthame> jlebar|away, mozilla-b2g18 looks rather colourful since your push :(
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# [11:05] <Tomcat> jfkthame: oh hell
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# [11:05] <Tomcat> re b2g18
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# [11:06] <jfkthame> Tomcat: ok, thanks - i was just about to do that
# [11:06] <jfkthame> but feel free to handle it :)
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# [11:08] <Anupkumar> in the flags section what should we give while submitting a patch work
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# [11:10] <ewong> which channel do I ask about socialAPI?
# [11:11] <Standard8> ewong: #socialdev
# [11:11] <ewong> Standard8: thanks!
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# [11:14] <NeilAway> markh: hmm, last time my build failed to start plugin-container.exe it just hung... I hope 902790 helps me out too
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# [14:38] <Manuela> hi guys! anyone working on Metro around here? :)
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# [14:40] <Manuela> when in snapped view, I can't see the URL bar...is this expected?
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# [15:20] <catalinn> I'm currently working on networking dashboard, an add-on which we want to integrate it in Firefox. A big part of the project is already done, including the integration itself, buy there is still more work to be done to js interface. However, Bug 903396 (https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=903396) was reported and we were wondering which is the more convenient solution: move the pref to /modules/libpref/src/init/all/js or wrap
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# [15:22] <RattyAway> ewong; I filed Bug 903396 (Core::Networking) and Bug 903404 (Toolkit::Themes) as followups to Bug 865850
# [15:22] <Ms2ger> Wrap
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# [16:39] <froydnj> "Boris, if you're on vacation then who's doing the replying? have you setup an
# [16:39] <froydnj> autobot? :)"
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# [18:05] <vlad> vladan: do you know a "Stacey Jacobs" or a "Joel" at "WDI Sydney"?
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# [18:05] <vlad> (or anyone else here?)
# [18:05] <vlad> trying to solve a mystery
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# [18:05] <avih> roc: the change of dwm to winutils is r+, but i wait with it because the previous missed frames detection detected more.
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# [18:11] <rwaldron> bz ping
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# [18:12] <rwaldron> bz when you have a moment, I have a question about navigator.vibrate in trunk
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# [18:19] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/b344b9d1d5fc - Geoff Brown - Bug 902645 - Use root to create android xpcshell xpcb directory; r=jmaher
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# [18:21] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/b23e47f15707 - Tom Schuster - Bug 870625 - Electrolysis: Add-on installation from addons.mozilla.org should work. r=Mossop
# [18:21] <bz> rwaldron: sure
# [18:21] <rwaldron> bz hi!
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# [18:22] <Ms2ger> (Isn't that mounir?)
# [18:22] <Ms2ger> (Hi edmorley)
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# [18:22] <edmorley> Ms2ger: hi :-)
# [18:22] <rwaldron> ok, here's the short story: the SMS app, in gaia, has tests for its notifications logic. Those tests use a mock navigator.vibrate that has sinon.js spies to gather call intel
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# [18:23] <rwaldron> on b2g18, this works correctly and the tests behave as expected
# [18:23] <rwaldron> on trunk (and subsquently TBPL), the tests that assert mock navigator.vibrate was called are failing
# [18:24] <rwaldron> Initially I had thought that the mocks were at fault
# [18:24] <rwaldron> but I'm not there anymore
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# [18:25] <rwaldron> This also just started happening, as these tests have existed for months
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# [18:25] <rwaldron> So I'm left to assume that somethign about navigator.vibrate has changed
# [18:26] <rwaldron> is it possible that this has become non-writable?
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# [18:30] <rwaldron> bz: ^ that's the gist of my inquiry
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# [18:33] <eeejay> who is sheriff? calendar says josh aas
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# [18:34] <Ms2ger> Heh
# [18:34] <Ms2ger> Does that calendar still exist?
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# [18:35] <froydnj> yes
# [18:35] <RyanVM> win
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# [18:37] <edmorley> (I've removed the link to the no longer used calendar from https://wiki.mozilla.org/Sheriff_Duty#Who_are_the_sheriffs.3F , I'll get the calendar taken down soon)
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# [18:44] <Mossop> edmorley: Ohh that's probably why someone though I was the sheriff the other day
# [18:44] <TheCrap> shouldn't there be a timeout for a get request in firefox?
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# [18:45] <nigelb> ;)
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# [18:51] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/8ba04505ce73 - Ryan VanderMeulen - Backed out changeset 5de4d20f6cfd (bug 880259) for intermittent Android reftest failures.
# [18:54] <ckerschb> jduell: ping
# [18:54] <@khuey> ckerschb: why did you ask me for feedback on bug 897516?
# [18:55] <@ted> froydnj: pong
# [18:55] <ckerschb> khuey: because you are the only one that hg annotate told me to know about this piece of code
# [18:55] <ckerschb> khuey: should i ask someone else instead?
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# [18:57] <froydnj> ted: any patches to toolkit/crashreport/{google-breakpad,*} should be filed upstream, yes?
# [18:57] <@khuey> ckerschb: uh, I don't think I've ever seen these files before
# [18:57] <@khuey> ckerschb: got a link?
# [18:57] <ckerschb> khuey: for what?
# [18:57] <froydnj> ted: also, do you have an eta for bug 813742's review?
# [18:57] <froydnj> (snice I have your attention >:D)
# [18:58] <@khuey> ckerschb: for the blame you claim I have for these files?
# [18:58] * @khuey sees http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/diff/867d159c1508/toolkit/components/url-classifier/content/xml-fetcher.js which was a purely mechanical change
# [18:58] <@khuey> and nothing else
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# [18:59] <ckerschb> khuey: i know, but according to the comment on top no one knows about this code, because it seems to be legacy code - i don't know who else to ask
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# [19:01] <ckerschb> khuey: should i ask dave camp? http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/annotate/e33c2011643e/toolkit/components/url-classifier/content/xml-fetcher.js
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# [19:01] <@khuey> ckerschb: ask gcp
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# [19:01] <gcp> noooooh
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# [19:02] <ckerschb> gcp: khuey any volunteers?
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# [19:02] <RyanVM> dcamp: you're burning fx-team
# [19:02] <gcp> *crickets* *tumbleweed*
# [19:03] <RyanVM> dcamp: looks like bug 886037
# [19:03] <gcp> what's the question? I've never seen this code either
# [19:03] <@khuey> ckerschb: gcp is your guy
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# [19:03] <@khuey> at least, more so than I can
# [19:03] <@khuey> he's at least touched safebrowsing before ;-)
# [19:04] <ckerschb> khuey: thanks for the update
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# [19:04] <ckerschb> gcp: the question is, if we can delete this old legacy code http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/toolkit/components/url-classifier/content/xml-fetcher.js#130 because it's never used
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# [19:04] <gcp> delete safebrowsing code? r+ rs+
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# [19:05] <gcp> I can answer in dcamp's place too: sr+
# [19:05] <ckerschb> gcp: it's not safebrowsing code
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# [19:08] <RyanVM> dcamp: why do people always respond right after I push the backout?
# [19:08] <dcamp> RyanVM: you backout really fast, apparently. Thanks, I was away getting coffee.
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# [19:08] <RyanVM> i usualy wait 5min
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# [19:09] <RyanVM> heh
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# [19:37] <WeirdAl> Where are the FF24 betas? :)
# [19:38] <Ms2ger> Not sure if there's any yet
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# [19:38] <WeirdAl> that's disappointing
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# [19:40] <Ms2ger> There's been some build issues
# [19:40] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/1f5c5635e875 - Ralph Giles - Bug 865553 - Handle MPEG version 2 packet lengths. r=padenot
# [19:40] <KWierso> WeirdAl: I believe they're going to build today, if I read things right
# [19:40] <froydnj> dholbert: ping
# [19:40] <dholbert> froydnj, ohai
# [19:40] <froydnj> dholbert: hello!
# [19:41] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/c1f4bf03306a - Benoit Girard - Bug 820048 - Add microsecond profiling. r=ehsan
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# [19:41] <froydnj> dholbert: I wanted to know if you had thought about what you wanted to do re SMIL types and bug 900134
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# [19:42] <WeirdAl> KWierso: I believe 24 is supposed to be the base for another esr branch. I wonder if there will be a XULRunner esr as well.
# [19:42] <@ted> froydnj: a) yes b) sorry, i'm at a work week this week which has made review time hard to come by
# [19:42] <dholbert> ah, sorry - I was out for a few days, and it drifted off my radar
# [19:42] <@ted> froydnj: if nothing else i promise to look at it by monday
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# [19:42] <froydnj> ted: ah, work week, that's cool
# [19:42] <KWierso> WeirdAl: I got nothin
# [19:42] <WeirdAl> heh ok
# [19:42] <froydnj> ted: early next week would be fine; landing it is blocked on dbaron's review of bug 859339 anyway
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# [19:42] <@ted> okay
# [19:43] <@ted> froydnj: i also have mihneadb's parallel xpcshell patch in my queue
# [19:43] <@ted> and he's here to bug me personally ;-)
# [19:43] <mihneadb> :(
# [19:43] <KWierso> WeirdAl: bug 902112 seems like the thing to follow
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# [19:44] <froydnj> parallel xpcshell tests are also cool, so I can accept taking a back seat to them
# [19:44] <dholbert> froydnj, so this lets us optimize away an (empty) static constructor and destructor, basically?
# [19:44] <dholbert> that's the win?
# [19:44] <@ted> froydnj: parallel reftest is probably a bigger overall time saving
# [19:45] <@ted> just because we have way more reftests
# [19:45] <froydnj> dholbert: that's the win (x several static constructors etc.)
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# [19:45] <dholbert> yup, gotcha
# [19:45] <froydnj> dholbert: the only question is whether we want to bother with default constructors, or take a less glitzy/new-c++ road to get there
# [19:45] <WeirdAl> KWierso: wow... :(
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# [19:45] <froydnj> ted: true
# [19:46] <WeirdAl> that's not a good situation to be in
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# [19:47] <ckerschb> gcp: ping
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# [19:50] <gcp> ckerschb: pong
# [19:50] <ckerschb> gcp: we realized behavior of safebrowsing which we don't fully understand, maybe you can answer comment 15 in bug 897516
# [19:50] <dholbert> froydnj, [just commented on the bug.] I'd be fine dropping the destructor.
# [19:50] <froydnj> dholbert: ok, thanks!
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# [19:51] <dholbert> actually
# [19:51] <dholbert> froydnj,
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# [19:51] <dholbert> what if we made the destructor #ifdef DEBUG
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# [19:52] <dholbert> froydnj, so then we'd get the sanity-checking in debug builds, without the overhead of the static destructor in opt builds
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# [19:52] <froydnj> dholbert: seems sane; we'd still have to declare the constructor MOZ_CONSTEXPR, but I don't think that's objectionable
# [19:52] <gcp> ckerschb: what do you mean by "is being used?"
# [19:52] <dholbert> froydnj, cool
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# [19:53] <ckerschb> gcp: we receive updates also through the 'cache' url
# [19:53] <gcp> ckerschb: do you mean in the code or do you mean that you see network traffic to there?
# [19:53] <gcp> yes, so....?
# [19:53] <dholbert> froydnj, cool!
# [19:53] <gcp> the updates which you get from the update URL can point to anywhere
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# [19:54] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/d62385cd8f9e - Markus Stange - Bug 898415 - Fix context menu hittest event position. r=jimm
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# [19:54] <ckerschb> gcp: i don't fully understand, how can we make sure that we separate all those cookies then?
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# [19:54] <ckerschb> gcp: i mean from all those different urls for safebrowsing?
# [19:54] <gcp> I'm not sure why you're asking me this.
# [19:55] <gcp> http://code.google.com/p/google-safe-browsing/wiki/Protocolv2Spec
# [19:55] <gcp> REDIRECT_URL = "u:" URL [MAC]
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# [19:55] <gcp> The response doesn't actually contain the data associated with the lists, instead it tells you were the find the data via redirect urls. These urls should be visited in the order that they are given, and if an error is encountered fetching any of the urls then the client must NOT fetch any url after that. Parallel fetching is NOT allowed.
# [19:55] <ckerschb> gcp: i will read trhough this
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# [20:20] <evilpie> when I change something in firefox.js does it have effect on every profile, or just new ones?
# [20:21] <Mook_as> evilpie: every profile (though if the user has set a different value obviously it wouldn't apply)
# [20:21] <evilpie> ok, thanks!
# [20:21] <evilpie> (their fault, haha)
# [20:21] <Mook_as> (it's basically the fallback when the user doesn't have a value set)
# [20:22] <evilpie> so basically the default?
# [20:22] <Mook_as> yes. that's why it's called the default branch :) ( http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/modules/libpref/public/nsIPrefService.idl#98 )
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# [20:24] <MrDHat> Is there a documentation or API reference for different header files/modules in Gecko?
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# [20:35] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/5e0293081301 - Corey Ford - Bug 898794 - Store normal frame position before applying relative positioning. r=dbaron
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# [20:44] <firebot> a=bajaj
# [20:44] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/502d43258e80 - Tim Taubert - Bug 637020 - Invalidate windows after they have been restored to ensure their data is collected the first time we save. r=yoric, a=bajaj
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# [20:46] <froydnj> terrence: ping
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# [20:46] <terrence> froydnj: pong
# [20:47] <froydnj> terrence: I see we have duplicated work =/
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# [20:47] <terrence> froydnj: that's fine, I just wanted to make sure you didn't make any of the same mistakes I did :-)
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# [20:48] <froydnj> terrence: :) thanks!
# [20:48] <terrence> froydnj: feel free to land; if there is anything left in my patch after I rebase, I'll push the leftovers
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# [20:48] <froydnj> terrence: since you have the superset, do you want me to apply mine and then you can rebase/apply at your leisure?
# [20:48] <terrence> froydnj: yes, that sounds best
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# [20:49] <froydnj> terrence: ok, great
# [20:49] <terrence> froydnj: I'm still trying to get my blasted arm chromebook to connect to Mozilla's wireless
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# [20:49] <froydnj> terrence: :(
# [20:50] <terrence> froydnj: my network setup box looks identical to what's on the wiki and I've now double-checked my password at least 8 times
# [20:50] <terrence> froydnj: oh, well, I'll just push it from home this weekend
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# [21:04] <froydnj> tbsaunde: cool, what do we build in parallel now? something with sqlite, I hope...
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# [21:06] <Ms2ger> froydnj, yep
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# [21:07] <Ms2ger> froydnj, with libjpeg, libvorbis, libogg, libtheora, libsoundtouch, libvpx, ...
# [21:07] <froydnj> hooray
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# [21:10] <tbsaunde> froydnj: it probably only ends up winning us a minute or two though :/
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# [21:12] <froydnj> tbsaunde: speedups are speedups
# [21:13] <davidb> adds up
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# [21:14] <Ms2ger> tbsaunde, if it saves two minutes on your machine, imagine what it'll do on mine ;)
# [21:14] <froydnj> tbsaunde: osx inbound bustage
# [21:15] <Ms2ger> tbsaunde, looks like you shouldn't have moved libmar
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# [21:21] <tbsaunde> Ms2ger: ugh, backing that patch out or shall I?
# [21:21] <Ms2ger> I'm not
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# [21:22] <tbsaunde> one of you still have a link handy?
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# [21:24] <froydnj> a link for...?
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# [21:25] <tbsaunde> froydnj: nvm
# [21:27] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/f77dd1e2e651 - Trevor Saunders - Backed out changeset fd936ec22d08 for mar bustage on osx on a CLOSED TREE
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# [21:30] <froydnj> tbsaunde: thanks!
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# [21:32] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/b707277861fc - Daniel Holbert - Bug 903513: Don't treat GCC "-Wmaybe-uninitialized" warnings as errors. r=gps
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# [21:33] <jib> Fennec 23.0 just crashed on me when I switched to it, and I got Google (Play)'s Report interface instead of Firefox Crash Reporter for some reason. Can I assume someone monitors those reports? - (I found no good way to cut'n'paste the stacktrace unfortunately).
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# [21:36] <mbrubeck> jib: Yes, we monitor Google Play crash reports.
# [21:36] <jib> great thanks
# [21:36] <gkw> bajaj: ping about approval for bug 898832
# [21:36] <bajaj> gkw: checking
# [21:37] <bajaj> gkw: didnt land on m-c yet
# [21:37] <bajaj> correct ?
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# [21:37] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/69dc9d2c72cd - Gregory Szorc - Bug 900714 - Remove legacy -fno-strict-aliasing compiler flag adjustment; r=mshal
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# [21:38] <gkw> bajaj: you might want to mention that, see https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=898832#c27
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# [21:39] <bajaj> gkw: sure thing :)
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# [21:58] <RyanVM> dholbert: looks like you've got inbound bustage
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# [21:58] <dholbert> RyanVM, really? boo
# [21:58] <dholbert> ah, darn
# [21:58] <dholbert> I'll back out
# [21:59] <dholbert> looks like clang doesn't understand the argument and hence explodes
# [21:59] <dholbert> RyanVM, thanks for the heads-up
# [21:59] <RyanVM> dholbert: you in the office?
# [21:59] <dholbert> RyanVM, SF
# [21:59] <RyanVM> ah, rats
# [22:00] <dholbert> RyanVM, you're welcome to camp at my desk if you're in MV :)
# [22:00] <RyanVM> heh, ted and I will be heading over there this afternoon for awhile
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# [22:00] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/5ba1323b3806 - Daniel Holbert - backout b707277861fc (bug 903513) for mac bustage
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# [22:03] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/6f5be2eb74e0 - Terrence Cole - Bug 903041 - Exactly root --enable-more-deterministic builds; r=jonco
# [22:03] <froydnj> gps: I was almost excited that you had done a try run showing we didn't need -fno-strict-aliasing anywhere :(
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# [22:12] <froydnj> hm, I really need a merge to central
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# [22:13] <froydnj> RyanVM: I suppose we're not merging https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Mozilla-Inbound&rev=f5b89c647436 to central because of the android reftest failures that were backed out later?
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# [22:26] <RyanVM> froydnj: correct - I'll be shooting for a merge this afternoon, though
# [22:27] <RyanVM> froydnj: you can always locally merge for now :)
# [22:27] <froydnj> "failed to synchronize metadata"...what does that mean
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# [22:32] <gal007> Hi!
# [22:33] <gal007> Any developer who tested Google Maps from firefox addon?
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# [22:51] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/4b5d40e468d5 - Nathan Froyd - Bug 903501 - part 4 - initialize BufferSlice members in a form amenable to -Wreorder; r=jandem
# [22:51] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/645564aa4a30 - Nathan Froyd - Bug 903501 - part 2 - eliminate signed-unsigned comparison warning in AssemblerBuffer::getInst; r=jandem
# [22:51] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/0d42eb2f5b63 - Nathan Froyd - Bug 903501 - part 7 - delete unused variables in IonRuntime::generateEnterJIT; r=jandem
# [22:52] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/000a3ebae6d9 - Nathan Froyd - Bug 903501 - part 1 - delete unused |sigil| variable in AssemblerBuffer::getInst; r=jandem
# [22:52] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/f00d22fc0840 - Nathan Froyd - Bug 903501 - part 5 - mark variables as DebugOnly in Assembler-arm.cpp; r=jandem
# [22:52] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/3a49f03aa849 - Nathan Froyd - Bug 903501 - part 6 - mark DebugOnly variable in TryToSpecializeBinaryArithOp; r=jandem
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# [22:56] <tbsaunde> froydnj: yeah, its nice but really slow
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# [23:01] <mihneadb> can anybody help me with a telemetry xpc fail? https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=26365479&tree=Try&full=1#error0
# [23:01] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/82eab92ad08c - Ryan VanderMeulen - Bug 848098 - Annotate test_recursion.html for intermittent OSX asserts.
# [23:01] <gps> froydnj: a try run shouldn't be needed -fno-strict-aliasing is globally enabled
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# [23:03] <gal007> gps did you coded something with Google Maps?
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# [23:03] <BitPuffin> Hi!
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# [23:03] <BitPuffin> How much work is it to port fierfox to a new platform? It would be great if Firefox worked on haiku
# [23:03] <froydnj> gps: sure. I meant that I thought you had removed -fno-strict-aliasing totally, which would have been fantastic
# [23:04] <RyanVM> froydnj: great, now you can comment in the bug about your backouts!
# [23:04] <ekr> RyanVM: potential bustage. http://pastebin.mozilla.org/2819389
# [23:04] <gps> mihneadb: that failure is likely a timing issue
# [23:04] <mihneadb> gps: sweet
# [23:04] <RyanVM> ekr ^
# [23:04] <ekr> Looks like a missing 'using mozilla'
# [23:04] <froydnj> RyanVM: dammit
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# [23:04] <mihneadb> gps: marked it as run-seq, don't sure what else I can do
# [23:04] <froydnj> they compiled fine here for linux64 and android
# [23:04] <gps> it's likely a bug in the test and hopefully is a known intermittent
# [23:04] <gps> or an actual bug of course :)
# [23:04] <ekr> RyanVM: I guess someone already noticed this? :)
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# [23:05] <RyanVM> ekr: yes, tbpl
# [23:05] <Waka_Flocka_Flame> some one wanna like help BitPuffin
# [23:05] <mihneadb> gps: there's only https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=764030
# [23:05] <mihneadb> and that has a different failure than mine :(
# [23:05] <froydnj> RyanVM: argh, I missed that bit of the patch when rebasing against inbound. going to push a fix
# [23:05] <ekr> RyanVM: missed that in my scrollback
# [23:05] <@ted> BitPuffin: it depends on the platform, it ranges from "not a lot" to "a huge amount of work"
# [23:05] <@ted> mostly depends on how similar your platform is to an existing supported platform
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# [23:06] <RyanVM> froydnj: CLOSED TREE
# [23:06] <BitPuffin> ted: hmm, well Haiku is somewhat similar to some of the existing ones in terms of POSIX, but not otherwise
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# [23:07] <dholbert> BitPuffin, we use to have BeOS/Haiku support, but it was abandoned/removed, as far as I know
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# [23:07] <@ted> BitPuffin: if it's POSIX then you probably don't have to port most of the low-level stuff
# [23:07] <@ted> you'd have to write a widget implementation
# [23:07] <dholbert> part of that happened in https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=627277 but I think more happened elsewhere
# [23:07] <@ted> and probably some gfx parts
# [23:07] <corey> BitPuffin: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=418487 might be worth looking at
# [23:07] <BitPuffin> dholbert: yeah I remember something about that,
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# [23:09] <BitPuffin> firefox uses cairo?
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# [23:09] <froydnj> gps: locking and loading burritos, I see
# [23:09] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/782e74f1c4c6 - Nathan Froyd - Bug 903501 followup - fix this CLOSED TREE by adding a using declaration; r=bustage
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# [23:10] <efaust> khuey: if they can make a burrito tunnel...
# [23:11] <BitPuffin> ted: I think it's a subset of posix
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# [23:11] <froydnj> RyanVM: heading out for a little while, feel free to backout with extreme prejudice if I still busted things
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# [23:11] <BitPuffin> corey: thanks
# [23:11] <RyanVM> khuey: there, I can hop on the ignoring train now for that bug
# [23:11] <RyanVM> froydnj: will do
# [23:12] <@khuey> RyanVM: hmm?
# [23:12] <RyanVM> khuey: bug 848098
# [23:12] <@khuey> efaust: the Alameda-Weehawken burrito tunnel?
# [23:12] <@khuey> firebot: bug 848098
# [23:12] <firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=848098 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Intermittent dom/workers/test/test_recursion.html | Assertion count 1 is greater than expected range
# [23:12] <@khuey> ah, yes
# [23:12] <@khuey> RyanVM: we tried to catch that one is record and replay ... no dice :-(
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# [23:13] <efaust> khuey: :D indeed.
# [23:14] <RyanVM> khuey: any chance we could catch it on a releng loaner slave?
# [23:14] <@ted> BitPuffin: i ported firefox to iOS, and that wasn't terrible because most of iOS is very similar to OS X
# [23:14] <@ted> but i had to write a new widget backend and fiddle some gfx code
# [23:14] <BitPuffin> ted: hm! but firefox doesn't have an ios version does it?
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# [23:14] <BitPuffin> ted: how much time did that take?
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# [23:16] <@ted> BitPuffin: probably a week or two worth of work but spread out
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# [23:31] <@ted> BitPuffin: generally the more different your platform is the more work youll have
# [23:31] <BitPuffin> ted: yeah I can imagine
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# [23:31] <@ted> if Haiku is like BeOS then looking at the (old, now removed) BeOS code would be a good start
# [23:31] <BitPuffin> it aims to be binary compatible
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# [23:41] <irving> mihneadb: ping
# [23:41] <mihneadb> irving: pong
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# [23:41] <irving> Can you cancel your older try build at https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=a9d63b5d7b12 ? It seems to be holding onto the OS X xpcshell test slaves
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# [23:42] <mihneadb> irving: sure :) ed retriggered a bunch of those, wasn't aware of the status
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# [23:42] <irving> mihneadb: thanks a bunch
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# [23:49] <mmc|headsdown> is there a way to make the build barf if someone uses an nsCOMPtr for a concrete class?
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# [23:49] <tessarakt> how are "reference to undefined property" warning usually fixed?
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# [23:50] <Mook_as> mmc: make it multiply inherit from nsISupports? :p
# [23:51] <mmc> :)
# [23:51] <mmc> yeah… i guess that trades one problem for another
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# [23:52] <tbsaunde> mmc: what would be the point?
# [23:52] <@khuey> mmc: defining "concrete" is hard in C++ :-(
# [23:52] <tbsaunde> nsCOMPtr to a concrete class should work just look funny
# [23:52] <mmc> i am kind of sorry i started looking at this code
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# [23:52] <mmc> nsCOMPtr<nsUrlClassifierDBServiceWorker> mWorker;
# [23:52] <mmc> nsCOMPtr<nsIUrlClassifierDBServiceWorker> mWorkerProxy;
# [23:52] <mmc> is the kind of stuff you get when these mistakes pile up over the years, i guess
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# [23:53] <tbsaunde> what would be interesting is to use a bunch of type traits foo and merge nsCOMPtr and nsRefPtr
# [23:53] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/2d0efde9e71b - Ryan VanderMeulen - Backed out changeset ce3a1df4d559 (bug 875247) for mochitest-mc crashes.
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# [23:53] <tbsaunde> that or mechanical changes and people not thinking about what they are doing
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# [23:59] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/18fbebfda0cd - Trevor Saunders - Bug 902316 - Build external projects in external tier; r=glandium, gps
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# [23:59] <Waldo> mmc: when we pick up <type_traits> you can use std::is_abstract<T> to detect the case
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# [23:59] <Waldo> and make it not compile or whatever
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