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# [00:08] <Jesse> lol http://quotes.burntelectrons.org/7048
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# [00:12] <gaston> jesup: as for the _P -> _PP renaming to avoid conflicting with the C/C++ standard it seems better to go for _pp
# [00:12] <gaston> since names starting with an underscore followed by a capital letter are reserved..
# [00:12] <gaston> when commiting i'll go for _pp
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# [00:15] <jesup> gaston: sounds good
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# [00:23] <Waldo> [Child 8128] ###!!! ABORT: IPDL error [PBrowserChild]: "Error deserializing 'bool'". abort()ing as a result.: file /builds/slave/m-cen-l64-ntly-000000000000000/build/obj-firefox/ipc/ipdl/PBrowserChild.cpp, line 2297
# [00:23] <Waldo> anyone else seeing stuff like that recently? ^^^ bmo isn't finding an open bug on it, which is somewhat surprising
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# [00:24] <Waldo> gaston: note that names starting with an underscore are reserved in the global namespace in C++, as well
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# [00:26] <taras> bbondy: around?
# [00:26] <taras> anyone know the url we use for firefox updates?
# [00:26] <taras> is it aus3.mozilla.org?
# [00:27] <taras> nm, looked up pref
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# [00:35] <taras> nthomas: trying to figure out if we care about updater service availability https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=904259
# [00:35] <taras> so far signs point at 'it kind of exists. but people dont really know'
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# [00:37] <fabrice1> taras: don't we use the update server for ADI metrics also?
# [00:37] <nthomas> no, that's blocklist via AMO
# [00:38] <nthomas> taras: IT monitors that via nagios too, I would guess that availability is very high
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# [00:39] <nthomas> but that particular outage doesn't line up with bug 889688 today, which is the only work I'm aware of happening recently
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# [00:40] <taras> nthomas: it's not on status.mozilla.com
# [00:40] <taras> and it was down for a few hours today
# [00:40] <nthomas> do you mean connection hangs, some error, or no update served when one was expected ?
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# [00:40] <taras> i dont know
# [00:41] <nthomas> a few hours would definitely be a surprise
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# [00:41] <taras> whatever makes the update check unhappy in the about dialog
# [00:41] <nthomas> k. do you know what channel stefan and bhearsum were talking about that ?
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# [00:46] <nbp> RyanVM|afk: we got 3 red on Android beta.
# [00:47] <nbp> RyanVM|afk: possibly Bug 890040 ? (does not appear on aurora)
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# [00:52] <evilpie> Waldo: ah file it and block crash-e10s please
# [00:53] <Waldo> evilpie: can do; my suspicion was it had something to do with JSBool removal, but I could be wrong
# [00:53] <evilpie> can you get a stack?
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# [00:53] * Waldo should probably update to latest nightly before filing, just to see if it's been fixt since then
# [00:53] <Waldo> well, this is a downloaded nightly -- don't think I can, given that :-\
# [00:53] <evilpie> maybe from the about:crashes link?
# [00:54] <Waldo> evilpie: doesn't look like it shows up there, not super-surprisingly
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# [00:55] <evilpie> well totally undebuggable without stack or steps to reproduce
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# [00:55] <NeilAway> hmm, there's no way to specify linux builds only on an inbound push, I guess
# [00:56] <Waldo> yeah :-\
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# [00:56] <Waldo> I'm not (to the best of my knowledge) doing anything specific to trigger it
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# [00:56] <Waldo> possibly I should get one of my trees into building state, then run with that for a bit
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# [00:57] <Waldo> it repros intermittently enough that presumably that'd get a stack right quick
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# [01:00] <fabrice1> !seen pmpcat
# [01:01] <efaust> !seen firebot
# [01:01] <mihneadb_> can someone please tell me how we decide if USE_WIDGET_LAYERS is set or not?
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# [01:24] <Waldo> RyanVM|afk: somehow the latest landing in bug 853301 (that should have no effect on functionality whatsoever -- only on more stuff being packed into the JS/libxul library for all the ICU code being built) is, inconceivably, triggering bug 899635 again
# [01:25] <Waldo> also anyone else who sheriffs ^
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# [01:28] <glandium> ted: rustc doesn't even do parallel builds
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# [01:30] <philor> Waldo: are you sticking stuff into the uninitialized memory we want to read?
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# [01:31] <Waldo> philor: ...
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# [01:31] <Waldo> philor: I thought NSS stopped doing that at startup or whatever
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# [01:34] <nthomas> nalexander: did you see the bustage on beta ?
# [01:34] <nalexander> nthomas: I did not; this is from my uplift? I'll take a look.
# [01:34] <nalexander> nthomas: thanks!
# [01:34] <nthomas> yw
# [01:35] <philor> Waldo: the thing I remember doing it the most was a11y during the tracemonkey era, when people kept having to back out jseng patches and reland them with the exact same code in a different part of the file because a11y tests would fail on Linux PGO
# [01:35] <Waldo> ah
# [01:35] <efaust> :/
# [01:35] <avih> is anyone following firefox v8 performance? we've gone almost twice as slow with steady regressions in less than a year... http://graphs-new.mozilla.org/graph.html#tests=[[230,131,12]]&sel=1344813922640,1376349922640&displayrange=365&datatype=running
# [01:35] <Waldo> I get right down to bisecting code-motion fixes to all of ICU :-\
# [01:35] <Waldo> s/I /I'll /
# [01:36] <jgilbert> avih: the JS team tracks AWFY
# [01:36] <avih> jgilbert: what's AWFY?
# [01:36] <jgilbert> avih: iirc, they're just caring about octane now, including what v8 tests that includes
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# [01:37] <jgilbert> avih: http://www.arewefastyet.com/
# [01:37] <Waldo> octane is v8 plus stuff
# [01:37] <Waldo> could also be a browser-versus-shell thing
# [01:37] <Waldo> the shell is smaller, less noisy than the browser
# [01:37] <jgilbert> that would be sad
# [01:37] <Waldo> aye
# [01:37] <jgilbert> you'd have to feel our pain of browser builds
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# [01:38] <Waldo> but it's Gecko, this happens from time to time :-)
# [01:38] <jgilbert> it's true
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# [01:38] <h4writer_> avih, just a small question. Isn't that the score that is on those graphs? So doesn't that mean higher == better?
# [01:39] <jgilbert> actually, yeah
# [01:39] <mbrubeck> h4writer_: All these graphs are lower=better
# [01:39] <mbrubeck> h4writer_: The only one that's a score is V8/Octane
# [01:39] <avih> h4writer_: don't know. but typically in talos tests lower is better. interesting point though
# [01:39] <mbrubeck> and in that case you'll notice the Y axis is reversed
# [01:39] <Waldo> note that AWFY inverts some of the graphs so that lower=better for everything, regardless whether the benchmark has bigger better or lower better
# [01:39] <mbrubeck> oh right
# [01:39] <h4writer_> mbrubeck, it's about the perf-o-matic graphs, I'm talking
# [01:40] <mbrubeck> my comments were about awfy
# [01:40] <mbrubeck> avih: Higher is better in V8
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# [01:40] <mbrubeck> avih: http://hg.mozilla.org/graphs/file/default/server/analysis/analysis.cfg.template#l54
# [01:40] <avih> mbrubeck: at the graph i just linked to?
# [01:40] <mbrubeck> yes
# [01:40] <h4writer_> mbrubeck, I'm aware about awfy ;). It's my job to look at it every day ;)
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# [01:41] <jgilbert> well then, h4writer_, are we indeed fast yet? :)
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# [01:41] <avih> mbrubeck: i see. thx. also, i couldn't see octan at the lists of tests. did i miss it? (it would be awefully helpful if these very long lists of builds/tests would be ordered alphabetically)
# [01:41] <h4writer_> jgilbert, well if chrome wasn't a moving target, yes ;)
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# [01:41] <jgilbert> h4writer_: drat :)
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# [01:41] <mbrubeck> avih: I started a patch to sort those lists, and am hoping to get back to it.
# [01:41] <mbrubeck> avih: I don't think we run Octane in Talos
# [01:42] <mbrubeck> https://wiki.mozilla.org/Buildbot/Talos/Tests
# [01:42] <h4writer_> jgilbert, but they threw some extra manpower on octane when we were going to cross them
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# [01:42] <h4writer_> jgilbert, makes sense, since this is their benchmark and it would be hilarious if we would beat them there :P
# [01:42] <avih> mbrubeck: i just posted a patch to display some stats on graphs. bug 903914. i figure sorting the lists should be a breeze...
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# [01:43] <mbrubeck> avih: Presumably at some point we'll upgrade from V8 to Octane and retire the V8v7 one
# [01:43] <mbrubeck> avih: nice!
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# [01:43] <mbrubeck> avih: Last week I was playing with some code to display leading and trailing averages + deviations: http://limpet.net/plot/demo.html
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# [01:44] <mbrubeck> If you zoom in on a regression you can see that the regression point is the one where the leading and trailing averages are farthest apart
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# [01:44] <avih> mbrubeck: nice graph, but what am i looking at? :)
# [01:44] <mbrubeck> I think this is ts_paint data from somewhere or other. :)
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# [01:45] <glandium> is bugzilla dead?
# [01:45] <mbrubeck> It's pulling data from the graph server, but you have to type in the testid/branchid/platformid by hand at the moment. I'm planning to hook it up to real controls eventually. :)
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# [01:45] <mbrubeck> glandium: not for me
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# [01:45] <avih> mbrubeck: hmmm.. nice math there. would it be used for better regression range detection?
# [01:46] <mbrubeck> avih: It's using the exact math that the regression detector does (plus an option to use the triangular window from my patch in https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=879903 )
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# [01:46] <avih> ah. cool.
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# [01:47] <glandium> looks like i have weird networking problems
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# [01:47] <philor> yeah, I have that with tbpl sometimes
# [01:47] <philor> when I can't stand to look at it anymore, the monitor defensively tells the network to fail, is my theory
# [01:48] <avih> philor: did you consider the cat getting telepathic on you and pawning the cable?
# [01:49] <avih> i mean, start with the simple answers...
# [01:49] <philor> 1. Get a cat that wants something other than my complete insanity. 2. ???? 3. Profit!
# [01:49] <avih> lol
# [01:49] <glandium> so, the fact that i can connect to my european server to do irc is proof that i have networking... but i can't connect to bugzilla or yammer
# [01:49] <glandium> that'd suggest some networking problem under the pacific or something
# [01:50] <jhammel> philor: there's no such beast
# [01:50] <glandium> mmm although a traceroute goes through wth
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# [01:50] <glandium> ah status.mozilla.com says performance issues on bugzilla
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# [01:58] <mjrosenb|ARM> argh. I've been had.
# [01:58] <mjrosenb|ARM> so, I restarted firefox after an unexpected shutdown
# [01:58] <mjrosenb|ARM> and all of my tabs are half gone.
# [01:58] <mjrosenb|ARM> about:tabs shows all of them
# [01:58] <mjrosenb|ARM> and switch to tab does something
# [01:59] <mjrosenb|ARM> but only 10 tabs are actually being displayed.
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# [02:06] <@smaug> njn: ask jlebar
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# [02:09] <@njn> smaug: he just left for the airport
# [02:10] <philor> seems like overreaction, just to avoid a question
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# [02:10] <@smaug> hmm
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# [02:10] <@smaug> njn: well, there are tests for mozbrowser, so I'd just look how they are implemented
# [02:10] <@njn> smaug: I grepped, failed to find anything helpful
# [02:12] <nalexander> akeybl: you around? I just realized beta just got tagged with on top of a follow-up that's going to fail.
# [02:12] <@njn> smaug: content/xul/document/test/window_bug757137.xul looks close, but when I cargo-cult it I get XML errors :(
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# [02:12] <@smaug> njn: you checked the stuff here http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/dom/browser-element/mochitest/
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# [02:15] <@njn> smaug: johns solve it in #memshrink; I need to add |xmlns:html="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"| to the <window> tag after the first xmlns declaration
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# [02:21] <jld> Is there something that's like hg rollback when hg rollback doesn't work?
# [02:21] <jld> I somehow wound up with a patch committed to the repository and listed in mq as uncommitted.
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# [02:22] <mbrubeck> jld: Is the patch listed as applied?
# [02:23] <mbrubeck> jld: You can probably "hg qpop" and then "hg qrm" to get rid of the patch in your mq
# [02:23] <mbrubeck> and/or "hg strip" to get rid of the commited version
# [02:23] <jld> qpop says "no patches applied".
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# [02:23] <mbrubeck> In that case just "hg qrm"?
# [02:23] <jld> Ah, hg strip is what I want; thanks.
# [02:24] <philor> mmm, b2g debug bustage, don't think I've ever actually seen that before
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# [02:24] <philor> bjacob++
# [02:24] <philor> making it useful by breaking it
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# [02:48] <jld> What's the right try -p flag for b2g? I seem to be getting it wrong.
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# [02:48] <jld> I mean, there's -p all, but that plus -u all (since I don't actually understand the testsuite yet) might be a little antisocial.
# [02:49] <reuben> #b2g's topic says "-p ics_armv7a_gecko,panda,unagi"
# [02:49] <jld> ...you know, I just looked at that topic to find out the right branch. #facepalm
# [02:49] <reuben> we should figure out a way to update trychooser.pub.build.mozilla.org automagically when new options are added
# [02:50] <jld> Oh. I guess it worked after all? Maybe?
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# [02:51] <jld> There are things that the tryserver will just quietly not do (like testing b2g or fennec debug builds), but apparently there are also things that don't show up until some unspecified time later?
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# [03:30] <lsblakk> nalexander: the builds are before you burned android :)
# [03:30] <lsblakk> nalexander: we'll get your follow up fix in the next beta (goes to build thurs)
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# [04:34] <jld> ...right. Because Fennec uses a newer GCC than B2G, so there's more -Werrorness. I'm never going to escape stuff like that so long as I live will I.
# [04:34] <jld> (And this is why we have the tryserver.)
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# [04:37] <hub> jld: using -Werror should be prohibited
# [04:38] <jld> The thing it found is... almost a bug.
# [04:39] <jld> Except that the variable actually is used, but only in an assertion.
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# [04:40] <hub> jld: I'm all for being warning free though
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# [04:41] <jld> -Werror when you don't control the compiler version -- as we generally don't, outside of b2g and maybe fennec? -- is probably a bad idea.
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# [04:42] <hub> jld: yup. even more when you try to build on many platforms
# [04:42] <jld> hub: Do we have a DEBUG_ONLY macro, or should I just use #ifdef DEBUG?
# [04:42] <hub> mfbt has DebugOnly<>
# [04:43] <hub> see mfbt/DebugOnly.h
# [04:43] <hub> (yes that mfbt, not the other one)
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# [04:44] <glandium> jld, hub: if b2g doesn't want to pay the price for -Werror, if should just disable the option to enable it
# [04:44] <glandium> (which is an opt-in)
# [04:44] <jld> glandium: -Werror makes more sense for b2g, IMO, because we have a certain amount of control over the compiler version.
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# [04:48] <jld> glandium: And in the case of my broken try build, it was a non-b2g platform -Werror'ing.
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# [04:50] <jld> ...oh for pity's sake. mq.
# [04:51] <@khuey> I really hate that nsAutoPtr<Foo> foo = new Foo(); works on Windows
# [04:51] <@khuey> and not anywhere else
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# [04:52] <tbsaunde> khuey: just fix stlport and kill nsAutoPtr or make it unbroken
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# [04:53] * @khuey git rebase -i's through the pain
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# [05:06] <Callek> khuey: the question is, is that because MSVC is too liberal and doesn't have a -E [or -W] switch to break it, or because other compilers don't implement/support that "Standard" feature of Cxx
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# [05:08] <@khuey> Callek: no idea
# [05:08] <Callek> wait, you DON'T know everything?
# [05:08] <Callek> who are you and what have you done with khuey?
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# [05:09] <Callek> I thought you were this programmer who just "happened" to know nuclear engineering, as if that is like someone just happens to learn how to play a new video game.
# [05:09] * @khuey doesn't have time to know everything
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# [05:10] <@khuey> I had to study something boring enough to end up in the bakc of lecture hacking on mozilla for 2 years
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# [05:27] <Callek> haha, you mean my method of "work in retail, at a pharmacy - find out a way to gain root access on the retail stores photo sdcard printer, attach a keyboard and use that to work on mozilla from work" wasn't good enough?
# [05:27] <Callek> it was even a windows system, which supposedly had no internet access, but was just a proxy configured that didnt allow net access, if I removed the proxy (or used a browser without one configured) things worked fined
# [05:27] <Callek> -d
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# [05:30] <@khuey> yeah I just brought my laptop and used the university wifi
# [05:31] <hub> good times
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# [05:31] <hub> when I was in uni there was no wifi
# [05:31] <@khuey> better than paying attention and getting good grades
# [05:31] <Callek> hub++
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# [05:31] <hub> and laptops where uber expensive luxuries
# [05:32] <Callek> yea my uni had no wifi, and for a long while no ethernet (once they realized that compromised computers could destroy a schools ethernet system if people wanted to be asshats)
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# [05:32] <Callek> I learned I could plugin directly to a networked printer and get full net access, was easy when I was student senate and shared an office with the school paper person who didn't know anything about computers and only used said printer 1 day a week
# [05:33] <Callek> that made CVS checkouts sooo much faster!
# [05:33] <hub> Callek: from a CVS pharmacy? ;-)
# [05:33] <Callek> (especially since at the time, my home network was 56k)
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# [05:33] <Callek> hub: Concurrent Versioning System by that use of CVS
# [05:33] <hub> Callek: I KNOW. I was making fun
# [05:34] <hub> I discovered CVS at my second job
# [05:34] <hub> and wondered why we didn't use that at the first nor in my internship
# [05:34] <Callek> (because I didn't have internet over wifi in college, I occupied myself with C&C, minesweeper and pinball during lectures where I could have my laptop open -- some teachers still despised their students having a computer during class at the time)
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# [05:35] <nigelb> I worked at a web dev firm in 2010 and they hadn't heard of version control. They used code_$date for versioning.
# [05:35] <nigelb> Made me cry.
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# [05:35] <Callek> nigelb: *at least* they did some versioning
# [05:35] <Callek> but yea in 2010 they should have heard of version control of some sort
# [05:35] <tessarakt> we use CVS :-( which is a nightmare ...
# [05:36] <Callek> tessarakt: CVS isn't really that bad, its just horrid compared to modern things
# [05:36] <tessarakt> well, not exactly a nightmare, but compared with modern systems
# [05:36] <Callek> like win3.1 was pretty good -- in its time, but you wouldn't dare use it for anything today
# [05:36] <tessarakt> branching takes about 45 minutes, for example
# [05:36] <hub> nigelb: I interviewed in '04 for a company doing proprietary Mac software (antiviruses)
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# [05:37] <hub> they didn't have version control either
# [05:37] <Callek> tessarakt: if you want to see branching gone very scary, load bonsai, look at mozilla cvs and then look at the *graph* for client.mk
# [05:37] <tessarakt> well, I should stop telling such trivia, it might be considered trade secrets
# [05:37] <jcranmer> the first vcs I learned was hg
# [05:37] <Callek> jcranmer: and you're lucky
# [05:37] <tessarakt> Good morning jcranmer
# [05:38] <jcranmer> then again, I learned vcsen only in 2006
# [05:38] <hub> CVS -> Subversion -> git (tried bzr too) -> hg
# [05:38] <tessarakt> the first I learned was rcs ;-)
# [05:38] <Callek> while DVCS is a bit hard to grasp at first, at least mozilla's use of it is primarily just basic RCS....
# [05:38] <hub> Callek: tbh that's because of hg ;-)
# [05:38] <Callek> since we keep the central repository role, keep single-head-per-branch
# [05:38] <Callek> hub: no thats just the way we chose to use it
# [05:38] <jcranmer> hg, cvs, svn, git, bzr
# [05:38] <nigelb> hub: I.. wha... how!
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# [05:38] <@khuey> me too
# [05:38] <tessarakt> incidentally originally written by my later software development professor ...
# [05:39] <Callek> hub: we could have easily done similar to how linux does linux kernel, and other workflow potentials
# [05:39] <nigelb> hub: how'd they write software with no version control?
# [05:39] <jcranmer> [rder I learned them in, I don't use anything over than the first]
# [05:39] <@dbaron> Assertion failure: win, at /home/dbaron/builds/ssd/mozilla-central/mozilla/dom/base/nsMimeTypeArray.cpp:58
# [05:39] <jcranmer> nigelb: that's not hard
# [05:39] <tessarakt> nigelb: "version management" It does not necessarily mean that you exercise control
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# [05:40] <nigelb> the chances of overwriting someone else's work is pretty high, isn't it?
# [05:40] <hub> nigelb: mind boggles. but I knew that had I worked there it would have been for a few month as I was canada bound already
# [05:40] <Callek> order-i-learned-in, cvs, svn, hg, <s>git</s>, bzr, hg, cvs, cvs, cvs, cvs, cvs, <sub>git</sub>, cvs, cvs, hg
# [05:40] <glob> well, a company i worked at in 2000 had a paper based bug tracking system
# [05:40] <Callek> no the repeat hg and cvs lines are not typo's I have to *re* learn cvs everytime I need to touch it now
# [05:40] <glob> i refused to use it, and installed bugzilla for our team to use
# [05:40] <jcranmer> Callek: is version 1.116.16.1.18.1.2.3 supposed to scare me?
# [05:40] <hub> my experience with bzr was "you need a newer client to checkout"
# [05:41] <Callek> repeat hg's are "new shiny things" and git I tried to learn a few times, did a few things with it, but it always beats me for lack of usability
# [05:41] <hub> glob: my first job had neither bug tracker nor a VCS
# [05:41] <tessarakt> Callek: I use CVS through complex scripting for anything more complex than checkout or commit
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# [05:41] <glob> hub, that's no longer a problem; bzr hasn't had an update for ages
# [05:41] <hub> a release tag was a copy of the folder
# [05:41] <glob> hub, ew
# [05:41] <nigelb> bzr hasn't had a development team for ages too
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# [05:42] <jcranmer> Callek: or was that 1.152.2.1.10.1.4.1.2.1.2.1.2.1?
# [05:42] <Callek> glob: ever since being with Mozilla, I pretty much never find myself contributing to projects where the workflow isn't "bug in bugzilla" or "simple Pull Request in github, that someone does any real git-command work for me"
# [05:42] <hub> canonical wanted to push bzr for OpenOffice at the time. They were unable to provide a sample repository (converted from svn)
# [05:42] <hub> at the time was '08
# [05:42] <Callek> since bugzilla is *far* too user friendly for me to enjoy touching trac, or any similar bug system
# [05:43] <nigelb> lol
# [05:43] <Callek> jcranmer++
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# [05:43] <jcranmer> 1.205.2.2.6.2.4.1.2.1.2.1.2.1.2.2.2.2?
# [05:43] <glob> thankfully this company had a vcs. unfortunately it was vss
# [05:43] <hub> visual source unsage
# [05:44] <hub> unsafe
# [05:44] <hub> oops, can't type
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# [05:44] <Callek> glob: vss doesn't count
# [05:44] <nigelb> isn't there something called Preforce?
# [05:44] <Callek> just like IIS in the '90s didn't count as a web server you could store anything even close to important on
# [05:44] <nigelb> I've heard "fun" comments about it.
# [05:45] <Callek> nigelb: well yes, and no. perforce supposedly supports clients/protocols of various types, and is "cost only"
# [05:45] <glob> Callek, ::$DATA \o/
# [05:45] <tessarakt> nigelb: I only know Perforce
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# [05:45] <jcranmer> 1.314.2.1.2.1.2.1.2.1.2.1.2.1.2.1.2.1.2.1.2.1.2.1.2.1.2.1.2.1.2.1
# [05:45] <nigelb> tessarakt: Right. That thing.
# [05:45] <tessarakt> Preforce sounds like something for Jedi acolytes
# [05:45] <Callek> wait what have I done, i spawned a conversation in #developers about version control
# [05:45] <jcranmer> I think that's the longest
# [05:45] <hub> Perforce, ahaha. I was once BOFH for a company that took Clearcase instead of Perforce. The cost of the server was...
# [05:46] <Callek> I should know better, I've been around here for long enough
# [05:46] <hub> a few years later they switched back to perforce
# [05:46] <Callek> killer: kick Callek
# [05:46] <Callek> huh do you no longer accept commands?
# [05:46] <hub> Emacs vs vim?
# [05:46] <hub> ;-)
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# [05:46] <glob> hub, no contest
# [05:46] <hub> Emacs wins ;-)
# [05:47] <glob> /kick hub
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# [05:47] <jcranmer> emacs wins at losing
# [05:48] <hub> Eight Megabytes And Constantly Swapping
# [05:48] <nigelb> lol
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# [05:48] <Callek> hub glob vim is *only* good for http://vim-adventures.com/
# [05:48] <jcranmer> speaking of vim and version control
# [05:49] <jcranmer> for the longest time, vim was not developed under a vcs
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# [05:49] <nigelb> :O
# [05:49] <jcranmer> it was just a "here's 7.1, if you want the next version, apply these patches"
# [05:49] <Callek> on the bright side, I learned how to do good basic stuff in vim with that :-) -- so if I am ever on a system without nano/emacs I can do basic editing
# [05:49] <hub> and Emacs is in bzr
# [05:49] <hub> *sigh*
# [05:49] <hub> because bzr is an official GNU project
# [05:49] <nigelb> Oh? TIL.
# [05:50] <hub> Callek: yeah I know vi after having done sysadmin on Solaris
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# [05:50] <hub> (and it is better for that)
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# [05:51] <Callek> hub: ever using Solaris and admitting it is actually a level of hell worse than still using SeaMonkey
# [05:51] <Callek> :-)
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# [05:52] <derf> Callek: I resemble both those remarks.
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# [05:53] <hub> Callek: Solaris a bit like a battle scar. But I have seen worse
# [05:54] <hub> AIX
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# [05:54] <hub> and obscure UNIX from the early 90's whose default compile couldn't even build gzip
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# [06:02] <tessarakt> how long do Bugzilla permission requests usually take?
# [06:03] <glob> tessarakt, how did you ask?
# [06:04] <glob> tessarakt, ah, you emailed
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# [06:04] <glob> tessarakt, normally a few days, but we've been travelling so slightly longer. i'll look at that later today for you
# [06:04] <abr> Ooh, we're doing old, bad OS war stories? I remember developing on SunOS 4.1 (before it was Solaris) using their "C++" complier, which was actually a c-front-style preprocessor that mangled C++ into incomprehensible C, and then ran that through a C complier that would generate errors based on the incomprehensible intermediate code.
# [06:04] <abr> Ah, those were fun times. Fun times, indeed.
# [06:05] <darktrojan> you keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
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# [06:06] <tessarakt> glob: thanks. isn't urgent, just asking
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# [06:06] <darktrojan> oh hey, the last four characters of my nick just joined the channel, how odd
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# [06:09] <bnicholson> ted: ping
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# [06:12] <tessarakt> chewey: you are from Karlsruhe?
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# [06:16] <jld> Version control war stories, you say? 2x-3x the size of mozilla-central (by # of files; maybe more by size), on spinning disk... and sometimes over NFS.
# [06:17] <jld> That thing Perforce does where you have to explicitly `p4 edit` instead of walking the tree... yeah.
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# [06:27] <@dolske> abr: SunOS 4.1.3 was the best. sunos. evar.
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# [06:28] <@dolske> good 'ole scarlet and grey twm. if you had color video, natch.
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# [06:47] <jld> mmmm, twm in any color other than that hideous shade of green
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# [07:04] * markh just did first push via git tools from windows :)
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# [07:05] <glob> yay! https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/page.cgi?id=review_suggestions.html
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# [07:06] <glob> and via rest : https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/rest/review/suggestions/896320
# [07:06] <Unfocused> nice
# [07:07] <Unfocused> though, Y U NO LOVE ADDONS MANAGER?!
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# [07:07] <Unfocused> (yea that's pretty much the only component i looked for)
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# [07:07] <glob> Unfocused, if you have suggestions, let me know and i'll update
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# [07:09] <philor> surely for Composer "ahahahahahahahahayou'rekiddingright@gmail.com" would be a better suggestion?
# [07:10] <Mook> there's always nobody@mozilla.bugs
# [07:11] <glob> if there's nobody suitable as a review suggestion, it's best to just clear that field
# [07:11] <glob> (or set it to philor, because he loves it)
# [07:11] * philor notices that he fixed 6.25% of the bugs in the product, slinks away before touched-it strikes
# [07:11] <philor> gah, too late!
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# [07:36] <sshagarwal> ttaubert: ping
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# [07:42] <tbsaunde> sshagarwal: hey, sorry I got dragged away this afternoon, I'm back for a bit now
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# [07:43] <fxa90id> tbsaunde, :D
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# [07:52] <markh> what does NS_DebugBreak() do when called for developers on Mac/Linux?
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# [07:52] <markh> in terms of interactions with the debugger
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# [07:55] <glob> happy bmo push day! http://globau.wordpress.com/2013/08/13/happy-bmo-push-day-58/
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# [07:58] <tbsaunde> markh: depends what you set XPCOM_DEBUG_BREAK to in you're env
# [07:59] <markh> tbsaunde: if it's set to "break" IIRC (ie, if you really do want to break into the debugger)
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# [07:59] <markh> tbsaunde: I opened bug 904323 to call this instead of just sleeping for 30 seconds so the dev can manually break into the debugger, and I'm trying to determine if that's reasonable anywhere other than windows
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# [08:01] <Mook> markh: sigtrap, I think?
# [08:01] <tbsaunde> markh: break doesn't seem to be a valid value if I'm reading nsDebugImpl.cpp right
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# [08:01] <Mook> "break" is defined at http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/xpcom/base/nsDebugImpl.cpp#247
# [08:03] <tbsaunde> Mook: yeah, guess I should read all of the line :p
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# [08:05] <tbsaunde> if you've attached a debugger can't you just force a return from the call to sleep?
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# [08:12] <DarkPlayer> Hello, i have a question regarding NPAPI plugins. I am writing a plugin which can load submodules (depending on a config) and therefore may change its Mimetype. Is there any way to force Firefox to refresh the saved Mimetype?
# [08:13] <DarkPlayer> Changing the file date is not an option as the file is owned by root.
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# [08:15] <Mook> I thought you could provide an entry point for that
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# [08:16] <Mook> ah, registry on windows, NP_GetMIMEDescription on linux/osx
# [08:17] <DarkPlayer> it's for linux, on windows the mimetyp is included in the version info of the file
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# [08:17] <DarkPlayer> chrome reloads the plugin information on every start, but firefox caches all information until the file date changes
# [08:17] <Mook> and despite the docs, HKCU is checked on Windows too, not just HKLM.
# [08:18] <Mook> yeah, pluginreg.dat or something
# [08:18] <mjrosenb|ARM> has anyone else had issues with ghost tabs?
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# [08:22] <DarkPlayer> is there a better way to force firefox to update the plugin information than to tell the user to manually delete pluginreg.dat?
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# [08:56] <Tomcat|Sheriff> ttaubert: i will disable this slave with this hdiutil failure
# [08:57] <Tomcat|Sheriff> good morning :)
# [08:57] <nthomas|away> which one ? I'll just reboot it ?
# [08:57] <Tomcat|Sheriff> nthomas|away: talos-r4-lion-022
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# [08:59] <Tomcat|Sheriff> nthomas|away: thanks!
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# [09:02] <Tomcat|Sheriff> nthomas|away: also filed this problem tracking bug
# [09:02] <Tomcat|Sheriff> in case we need to investigate or so at some time
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# [09:22] <ewong> has there been a change? I'm getting "TEST-UNEXPECTED-FAIL | /builds/slave/c-cen-t-lnx/build/mozilla/js/src/jit-test/tests/bug765479.js | --ion-eager: /builds/slave/c-cen-t-lnx/build/objdir/mozilla/dist/bin/js: /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6: version `GLIBCXX_3.4.9' not found (required by /builds/slave/c-cen-t-lnx/build/objdir/mozilla/dist/bin/js)"
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# [09:30] <tbsaunde> ewong: first guess would be that somehow seamonkey stopped building with --enable-stdcxx-compat
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# [09:31] <ewong> oh
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# [09:32] <mjrosenb|ARM> tbsaunde: seamonkey or spidermonkey?
# [09:32] <ewong> seamonkey
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# [09:35] <ewong> mjrosenb|ARM: ^
# [09:36] <ewong> then I need set --enable-stdcxx-compat .. thanks tbsaunde!
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# [09:37] <mjrosenb|ARM> ewong: I ask because it looks like the js shell, which is a thin wrapper around spidermonkey, but now your comment and tbsaunde's earlier comment make more sense.
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# [10:54] <gabor> so is there a way to check the current configuration of the windows machines of tinderbox? do we keep track of it somewhere?
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# [10:57] <edmorley> gabor: i'm not sure, sorry (#releng should know later in the day) - what specifically where you curious about? :-)
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# [11:33] <@mounir> some here has ability to delete attachments and ban users from bugzilla?
# [11:33] <@mounir> gerv: ^ ?
# [11:34] <@mounir> Bug 904383 and Bug 904384 (ftr)
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# [11:36] <Tomcat|Sheriff> mounir: i would file a bug for this maybe
# [11:36] <Tomcat|Sheriff> in case gerv is not around
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# [11:41] <ioana> hi guys
# [11:41] <ioana> does anyone here know what the report and percentage in a reftest result mean?
# [11:41] <ioana> e.g. reftest test-load | file... | 12 / 22 (54%)
# [11:42] <heycam> 12 out of 22 tests runs, 54% of the way done.
# [11:42] <ioana> heycam: thanks :)
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# [11:43] <mmargoliono> hi guys, for hiDpi mac, does the filename needs to end with @2x.png?
# [11:43] <mmargoliono> for higher res icon
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# [11:45] <Unfocused> mmargoliono: it doesn't have to, but it should (its a convention, not a technical requirement)
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# [11:47] <mmargoliono> Unfocused, dou you know what might causing this one? http://i.imgur.com/ydYH00U.png
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# [11:49] <mmargoliono> do i need to specify the width as the original image width?
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# [11:50] <Unfocused> mmargoliono: hm, whats your css look like?
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# [11:50] <Unfocused> i wouldn't think you'd need to specify a width for that
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# [11:51] <mmargoliono> Unfocused, https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=783101&action=diff
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# [11:55] <Unfocused> mmargoliono: ohhh, yes, you need to specify the width in your first rule
# [11:55] <Unfocused> er, and height
# [11:56] <Unfocused> then the 2nd rule inherits the width/height, and the image won't be automatically scaled up like it currently is
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# [11:58] <mmargoliono> thanks, so basically the lack of width and height strech the image to 100% of heighht right
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# [12:00] <mstange> Do we have a tracking bug for #include cleanup?
# [12:02] <Unfocused> well, when we draw images in HiDPI, everything gets automatically scaled up. specifying the normal dimensions means that gets scaled up and used (16px * 2 = 32px - so the images gets dwon without scaling), rather than scaling up the image's original dimensions (32px * 2 = 64px)
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# [12:09] <NeilAway> bah, tbpl doesn't work very well at 1024x768
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# [12:10] <Unfocused> ... even my phone has a higher resolution than that
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# [12:13] <NeilAway> Unfocused: hey, up until last year I was still perfectly happy with 800x600 :-P
# [12:13] <Unfocused> hah
# [12:14] <NeilAway> Unfocused: mind you, I did get to borrow a 19" monitor, 1024x768 looks much better there than at 15"
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# [12:16] <Unfocused> it'd look worse to me :)
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# [12:23] <darktrojan> NeilAway is all about the 1s and 0s
# [12:23] <darktrojan> he does http over telnet
# [12:24] <decoder> Yoric: the patch you pushed to try is orange on xpcshell. is that related to your patch likely?
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# [12:24] <Yoric> decoder: The Asan patch?
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# [12:26] <decoder> Yoric: yep
# [12:26] <Yoric> I'll take a look.
# [12:26] <decoder> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=14139797c5a1
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# [12:27] <decoder> it wasnt orange in my asan push though. maybe I disabled this test though because it's plugin related
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# [12:27] <Yoric> It seems that I can't connect to tbpl these days.
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# [12:27] <Yoric> Anyway, time for lunch.
# [12:27] <Yoric> Cheers.
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# [12:28] <decoder> Yoric: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/2845971
# [12:28] <decoder> ok=)
# [12:28] <decoder> bon appetit
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# [12:34] <NeilAway> hmm, quote 7049 is missing *philor beams
# [12:35] <Sander> NeilAway: like this?
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# [12:38] * Sander will take your word for it that that was actually said
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# [12:47] <nick37> Hi Guys
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# [12:48] <nick37> could you help me with a css property stuff... i'm trying to add the simple css property but when launching the ff i'm getting error like: ###!!! ABORT: oops: 'aFromBlock.HasPropertyBit(aPropID)', file d:/projects/firef
# [12:48] <nick37> ox/src/layout/style/nsCSSDataBlock.cpp, line 502
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# [12:48] <nick37> did someone have such experience
# [12:48] <nick37> ?
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# [12:50] <heycam> hi nick37, there are a bunch of things you need to change when adding a new property. what changes have you made so far?
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# [12:52] <nick37> i've modified the following files: nsCSSPropertyList.h, nsStyleStruct.h, nsCSSProps.h
# [12:52] <nick37> and a few more
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# [12:52] <nick37> mostly i was following the pointer-events property implementation
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# [12:54] <heycam> nick37, what property are you adding?
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# [12:54] <nick37> i'm working on the touch action implementation
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# [12:55] <nick37> but firstly i tried to add a simple property... without any logic
# [12:55] <nick37> i.e. just declare it
# [12:55] <heycam> nick37, do you have a patch I can look at?
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# [12:57] <nick37> yes, i can create it... wait a sec please
# [12:57] <NeilAway> Sander: yes, http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/developers/20130812#l-2308 in case you want proof
# [12:57] <NeilAway> Sander: (and thanks)
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# [13:06] <decoder> Yoric: i just cross-checked. test_plugins ran on my asan try push and it's green.
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# [13:11] <decoder> Yoric: made a new try push just with your patch and xpcshell :) https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=5adcc6bd5ea7
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# [13:13] <reuben> man, debugging xpcshell tests is a disaster
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# [13:28] <@smaug> reuben: it is
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# [13:30] <ted> reuben: debugging the C++ bits?
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# [13:30] <reuben> ted: well, getting to the debugger, specifically. it gets worse for e10s tests
# [13:31] <ted> ah
# [13:31] <ted> debugging e10s is a pain in general
# [13:31] <ted> check-interactive used to work pretty well
# [13:31] <ted> not sure if we made this not suck in mach
# [13:32] <reuben> I should file a couple bugs
# [13:32] <reuben> one for |mach xpchell-test -d| not actually working
# [13:32] <ted> make -C ../debug-mozilla-central/testing/xpcshell/example/ check-interactive SOLO_FILE=test_sample.js
# [13:32] <ted> still works
# [13:32] <ted> although you have to attach gdb manually
# [13:33] <ted> i feel like the xpcshell bustage is filed
# [13:33] <reuben> one for check-one buffering the output of tests, so you can't use MOZ_DEBUG_CHILD_PROCESS=1 because it only prints the child PID after the process runs
# [13:33] <ted> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=856113
# [13:33] <reuben> and then fix MDN
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# [13:37] <reuben> ted: and yep, check-interactive with SOLO_FILE and MOZ_DEBUG_CHILD_PROCESS is the one combination that works.
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# [13:38] <Ms2ger> Is that the one that's getting json rather than human-readable output soon?
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# [13:38] <reuben> oh joy :)
# [13:39] <ted> heh
# [13:39] <ted> Ms2ger: no, that still uses runxpcshelltests under the hood
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# [13:39] <Ms2ger> ted, which one is that, then?
# [13:40] <ted> the JS part of the harness is going to emit JSON
# [13:40] <ted> but the python part is going to consume it and print human-readable output
# [13:40] <ted> oh, so
# [13:40] <ted> actually you're probably right
# [13:40] <ted> in that check-interactive will not produce pretty output
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# [13:41] <Ms2ger> "I think we should just kill human-readable formatting from head.js. It's only used in interactive mode."
# [13:41] <Ms2ger> I think I'm right :)
# [13:42] <ted> indeed, i hadn't read that bugmail yet
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# [13:49] <NeilAway> froydnj: your blog post confused me as to which type had the protected destructor
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# [13:49] <Anupkumar> got this error when the server is running the system test......can anyone please look at it and tell me what the problem is ??
# [13:50] <Anupkumar> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=26452838&tree=Try
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# [13:55] <Tomcat|Sheriff> edmorley: btw merges for our shift is done :)
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# [13:59] <ioana> I built Firefox with ac_add_options --enable-logrefcnt, but when running reftests, it still says "refcount logging is off, so leaks can't be detected"
# [13:59] <Anupkumar> got this error when the server is running the system test......can anyone please look at it and tell me what the problem is ??
# [13:59] <Anupkumar> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=26452838&tree=Try
# [13:59] <ioana> any idea what I need to do to enable it for good?
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# [14:04] <edmorley> Tomcat|Sheriff: awesome, thank you :-)
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# [14:06] <Tomcat|Sheriff> hm ioana not sure but i always used --enable-trace-malloc too to find leaks
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# [14:07] <froydnj> NeilAway: ah, sorry, I should have been more explicit that nsSMILNullType had the destructor
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# [14:07] <froydnj> NeilAway: I can see where the confusion would come from
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# [14:08] <froydnj> (actually nsISMILType had a protected destructor too...)
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# [14:11] <NeilAway> froydnj: it did? why would an interface have a protected destructor?
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# [14:20] <froydnj> NeilAway: because it's not defined in IDL
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# [14:28] <ioana> Tomcat|Sheriff: thanks, I'll try that
# [14:28] <NeilAway> froydnj: ah, ok
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# [14:30] <Anupkumar> can anyone check and tell me the status of the bug....i have submitted a patch for bug 903511
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# [14:34] <Tomcat|Sheriff> Anupkumar: well i guess you are at this stage now https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Developer_Guide/How_to_Submit_a_Patch#Getting_the_patch_checked_into_the_tree
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# [14:35] <Anupkumar> Tomcat|Sheriff: sir, I have submitted a patch for the bug and now I want to know whether are there any errors or not
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# [14:37] <Tomcat|Sheriff> Anupkumar: so seems the build fail see https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=8f9de77ba506
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# [14:37] <Tomcat|Sheriff> oh wait
# [14:38] <Tomcat|Sheriff> wrong try run
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# [14:38] <Anupkumar> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=213721509e84
# [14:38] <Tomcat|Sheriff> that one https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=213721509e84
# [14:38] <Tomcat|Sheriff> yeah
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# [14:39] <Tomcat|Sheriff> hm edmorley do you see any obvious error in the try run above
# [14:39] <edmorley> looking
# [14:39] <Anupkumar> in this the second one starting with ab8ca6638b5d Nick Fitzgerald – imported patch rename-grip-client.patch
# [14:40] <Tomcat|Sheriff> only timeouts it seems
# [14:40] <edmorley> lgtm
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# [14:40] <Anupkumar> lgtm??
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# [14:41] <doublec> Anupkumar: lgtm = looks good to me
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# [14:41] <Tomcat|Sheriff> padenot: ping
# [14:41] <padenot> Tomcat|Sheriff: pong
# [14:41] <padenot> what have I done
# [14:42] <Tomcat|Sheriff> :)
# [14:42] <Anupkumar> Tomcat|Sheriff: sir any thing wrong in that??
# [14:42] <Tomcat|Sheriff> seems your last push turned a test orange
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# [14:42] <padenot> yes, probably needs more fuzzing
# [14:42] <Tomcat|Sheriff> padenot: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=26482380&tree=Mozilla-Inbound
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# [14:42] <Tomcat|Sheriff> Anupkumar: also look good to me, as edmorley sid
# [14:42] <padenot> Tomcat|Sheriff: I'll push a bustage fix in a second, thanks for the heads up
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# [14:43] <Tomcat|Sheriff> cool thanks, np :)
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# [14:43] <Tomcat|Sheriff> edmorley: ^^ fyi :)
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# [14:43] <Tomcat|Sheriff> should fix the mochitest orange :)
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# [14:44] <Anupkumar> Tomcat|Sheriff: is that to me?
# [14:44] <Tomcat|Sheriff> nope
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# [14:44] <Tomcat|Sheriff> Anupkumar: i think your patch is ready for checkin if the test pass
# [14:45] <Tomcat|Sheriff> with setting the checkin-needed keyword as described in that wiki page
# [14:45] <Anupkumar> Tomcat|Sheriff: what could be the reason for the failure of the test pass?
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# [14:46] <padenot> Tomcat|Sheriff: done
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# [14:46] <Tomcat|Sheriff> Anupkumar: well mostly it was a timeout on the test and also a intermittent failure, so nothing that broke something
# [14:47] <Tomcat|Sheriff> padenot: cool! thanks!
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# [14:47] <Anupkumar> so the mentor has to run the test again right??
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# [14:47] <Anupkumar> Tomcat|Sheriff: so the mentor has to run the test again right??
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# [14:47] <Tomcat|Sheriff> no its fine
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# [14:48] <Anupkumar> Tomcat|Sheriff: then??
# [14:49] <Tomcat|Sheriff> Intermittent oranges are test failures which happen intermittently, in a seemingly random way
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# [14:49] <Tomcat|Sheriff> Anupkumar: so next step is to set the checkin-needed keyword in the bug in bugzilla
# [14:50] <Tomcat|Sheriff> in case you don't have rights to commit to the repos
# [14:50] <Tomcat|Sheriff> so that someone will do it for you
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# [14:51] <jhorak> Did anyone encountered problems with today's trunk? I get freeze after while and backtrace seems to be mangled and ends in 0x...0000.
# [14:51] <Anupkumar> Tomcat|Sheriff: whome should I refer to for checkin? I mean whose name should I give it there??
# [14:51] <Tomcat|Sheriff> oh just keyword is ok
# [14:51] <mjh563> Anupkumar: you don't need to give a name
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# [14:52] <Anupkumar> Tomcat|Sheriff: ok, wait I will check it out....all these stupid que I am asking coz I am a newbiee
# [14:52] <Tomcat|Sheriff> no problem
# [14:52] <Tomcat|Sheriff> we are all here to help
# [14:52] <Tomcat|Sheriff> and also started at some day
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# [14:52] <decoder> Yoric: looks good. one xpcshell is already green: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=5adcc6bd5ea7
# [14:53] <edmorley> Anupkumar: the only stupid question is one you don't ask! :-)
# [14:53] <edmorley> they also help work out where docs need more work
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# [14:53] <Anupkumar> edmorley: sorry, what r u saying??
# [14:54] <Anupkumar> Tomcat|Sheriff: we need to give the checkin to the attachment right??
# [14:54] <edmorley> Anupkumar: I'm saying that it's best to ask questions :-)
# [14:54] <Anupkumar> edmorley: sorry for mis understanding.....
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# [14:54] <Tomcat|Sheriff> Anupkumar: oh only in the keyword field of the bug itself
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# [14:56] <Anupkumar> Tomcat|Sheriff: how many days will it take at maximum to get finalised??
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# [14:57] <Tomcat|Sheriff> not sure, the wiki says within a week or so
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# [14:58] <darktrojan> someone should make a screencast of this stuff
# [14:59] <darktrojan> screencasts are cool
# [14:59] <Anupkumar> darktrojan: why??
# [14:59] <Ms2ger> darktrojan, thanks for volunteering!
# [14:59] <darktrojan> Anupkumar, because then you'd be able to watch a video of what to do
# [14:59] <darktrojan> Ms2ger, ahaha, no
# [14:59] <darktrojan> I'm going to bed
# [14:59] <Archaeopteryx> screencasts are blackboxes, I prefer step by step guides with screenshots
# [14:59] <Anupkumar> yeah, that is right......
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# [15:00] <darktrojan> \o.
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# [15:02] <Anupkumar> Tomcat|Sheriff: u r an employee right ??
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# [15:03] <Anupkumar> Tomcat|Sheriff: can u help me finding some minor bugs other than bugsahoy
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# [15:03] <Pike> Archaeopteryx: one can popcorn screencasts to make them friendly to copy&paste etc.
# [15:04] <Archaeopteryx> yeah
# [15:04] <Tomcat|Sheriff> Anupkumar: yep i'm employee as a lot of people here
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# [15:05] <decoder> Tomcat|Sheriff: edmorley: does this look any familiar to you? https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=14139797c5a1
# [15:05] <decoder> i made a new try push with just xpcshell tests, and inbound tip, and it's green
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# [15:06] <mmargoliono> Anupkumar, isn't it better to filter the bug on area you are interested on and then search for any interesting one?
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# [15:08] <Anupkumar> mmargoliono: I don't know much on how to filter the bugs.....
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# [15:09] <edmorley> decoder: qparent for that push was green (https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?rev=05d3797276d3) the failures themselves don't look familiar, sorry
# [15:09] <decoder> hmm ok
# [15:09] <decoder> thx
# [15:10] <mmargoliono> Anupkumar, CLick on search on the top left. I ususally filter it on Product:Firefox, and then component:Devtools related items, Status:new, Resolution:---
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# [15:10] <mmargoliono> If you want search for whiteboard:mentor
# [15:11] <Anupkumar> mmargoliono: it is to be done in bmo right??
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# [15:11] <mmargoliono> bugzilla.mozila.org? yes
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# [15:14] <Anupkumar> yeah that one only
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# [15:16] <edmorley> Tomcat|Sheriff: hmm the bug suggestions for https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=26483522&tree=Mozilla-Central#error0 aren't great, think we need to change http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/testing/gtest/rungtests.py to not use "firefox" as the test name
# [15:17] <edmorley> for crashes
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# [15:22] <Yoric> decoder: I cannot access tbpl, but I suspect my push included a previous patch in which I had forgotten one file.
# [15:22] <Yoric> So that should be ok.
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# [15:23] <edmorley> Yoric: what error?
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# [15:24] <Yoric> edmorley: bug 872577
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# [15:24] <Yoric> My connections to tbpl just never complete.
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# [15:25] <Tomcat|Sheriff> edmorley: yeah good idea
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# [15:40] <decoder> Yoric: i dont see a second patch in your initial push :/
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# [15:40] <Yoric> decoder: Unfortunately, without access to tbpl, I cannot check by myself.
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# [15:42] <Tomcat|Sheriff> hm we had some problems with tbpl but that was mostly speed
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# [15:46] <decoder> Yoric: http://users.own-hero.net/~decoder/TryOrig.png http://users.own-hero.net/~decoder/TryOrig2.png
# [15:46] <decoder> thats your original push
# [15:47] <Yoric> decoder: weird
# [15:47] <Yoric> Could you pastebin the xpcshell error?
# [15:47] <Yoric> (please)
# [15:47] <decoder> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/2845971
# [15:47] <decoder> sure
# [15:47] <decoder> everything you need =)
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# [15:48] <edmorley> padenot: fuzzing needed on android https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Mozilla-Inbound&jobname=droid.*mochitest-2
# [15:48] <edmorley> padenot: :-)
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# [15:48] <decoder> Yoric: the only difference I can see between your push and my push is that in my push, the file is in toolkit/components/osfile/modules/osfile_unix_back.jsm
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# [15:49] <decoder> while in yours, it is still in toolkit/components/osfile/osfile_unix_back.jsm
# [15:49] <Ms2ger> edmorley, oh dear, what'd I do now?
# [15:49] <decoder> i think it was moved inbetween
# [15:49] <edmorley> Ms2ger: ca193619b815
# [15:49] <Ms2ger> Somewhat cryptic
# [15:49] <Yoric> decoder: That's not clear to me.
# [15:50] <edmorley> Ms2ger: you have initiative :-)
# [15:50] <padenot> edmorley: thanks.
# [15:50] <edmorley> padenot: np
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# [15:50] <Ms2ger> Oh, that one
# [15:50] <decoder> Yoric: what isnt? the log? :)
# [15:50] <Yoric> Well, the reason of the error.
# [15:50] <decoder> ah
# [15:50] <Ms2ger> I'm hopeful that it'll get better when people realize they don't get away with it
# [15:50] <decoder> yea. i dont know either
# [15:51] <decoder> Yoric: as I said in the bug, i did another try push with most recent inbound. and it's all green till now
# [15:51] <decoder> already four green X
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# [15:51] <Yoric> decoder: In that case, you have my blessing for checkin-needed.
# [15:52] <decoder> okay :) ill land it in a few
# [15:52] <Yoric> Maybe mine was on top of a bad tree.
# [15:52] <decoder> i checked that too. the parent is green
# [15:52] <Yoric> I don't pull every day these past weeks due to low dataplan.
# [15:52] <decoder> edmorley also did..
# [15:52] <Yoric> No idea, then.
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# [15:52] <decoder> me neither.. also an intermittent failure probably wouldnt fail every single platform at once
# [15:52] <decoder> and then pass every single platform at once
# [15:52] <decoder> maybe it's atmospheric radiation
# [15:52] <decoder> >.<
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# [16:02] <decoder> Yoric: landed it :)
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# [16:03] <Yoric> decoder: Crossing fingers.
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# [16:08] <Anupkumar> Yoric: hello sir
# [16:08] <Yoric> Anupkumar: hello
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# [16:22] <Anupkumar> ttaubert: sir, just a few minutes back you have assigned this bug to me
# [16:23] <ttaubert> Anupkumar: yep
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# [16:25] <Anupkumar> ttaubert: where can we find this file to work on?
# [16:25] <Anupkumar> ttaubert: it is not even mentioned in the comments also.
# [16:26] <ttaubert> Anupkumar: this is the file browser/components/sessionstore/src/SessionStore.jsm
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# [16:26] <Anupkumar> ttaubert: in this file what are we supposed to do?
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# [16:28] <Anupkumar> ttaubert: sir, u r there??
# [16:29] <ttaubert> Anupkumar: yes
# [16:29] <ttaubert> Anupkumar: we need to add a new getter named '_interval' for SessionStoreInternal that checks battery.charging and returns a value from a different preference when battery.charging=false
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# [16:30] <ttaubert> Anupkumar: that also means we'd need to change the existing getter defined in _initPrefs()
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# [16:33] <Anupkumar> ttaubert: gonna have my dinner
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# [16:48] <fabrice> janv: all this greenness on https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=06b168f9d6ad !
# [16:49] <daleharvey> so http://glecollinet.github.io/webgl-demo/ completely killed my nightly build
# [16:49] <daleharvey> (osx)
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# [16:54] <janv> fabrice: yeah!
# [16:55] <janv> fabrice: thanks again
# [16:55] <fabrice> no worries, that was old code that was due to removal
# [16:56] <janv> ok
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# [17:03] <Pike> glandium: re your review in bug 848830, do you know what I'm doing? 'cause I don't ;-), and two no-comment-r+ don't really tell me that it might turn out to be the right thing
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# [17:10] <evilpie> ok where?
# [17:10] <Pike> wow, inbounds under the load
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# [17:15] <Anupkumar> ttaubert: hello sir
# [17:15] <edmorley> padenot: think we need some more fuzzing on b2g too: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=26487545&tree=Mozilla-Inbound
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# [17:15] <edmorley> padenot: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=26487669&tree=Mozilla-Inbound
# [17:16] <edmorley> padenot: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=26487016&tree=Mozilla-Inbound etc
# [17:16] <karolyi> mbrubeck: ping
# [17:17] <padenot> edmorley: I fail to understand why my try push did not catch this
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# [17:18] <edmorley> padenot: the failures were in M-2 and M-3, the try push was just for M-1 (the chunks are arbitrary, so can vary across platforms, where we often don't run a whole directory of tests, which affects the chunk boundries)
# [17:18] <Ms2ger> edmorley, can we hide G on try?
# [17:18] <padenot> edmorley: ah
# [17:18] <padenot> edmorley: indeed, I'll be more carefule next time
# [17:19] <edmorley> padenot: np :-)
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# [17:20] <edmorley> Ms2ger: yeah, doing
# [17:20] <Ms2ger> Thanks
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# [17:21] <edmorley> done; reload required :-)
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# [17:23] <padenot> edmorley: in fact, since it's the same CPU, the last followup for android took care of this
# [17:23] <edmorley> ah, sweet
# [17:23] <edmorley> I hadn't looked at what you'd keyed off of
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# [17:35] <RyanVM> khuey: ping
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# [17:36] <Ms2ger> #if __GLIBCXX__ <= 20070719
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# [17:41] <RyanVM> good luck with that
# [17:41] <decoder> is he on pto? :)
# [17:41] <khuey> RyanVM: pong
# [17:41] <khuey> decoder: yes
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# [17:42] <jcranmer> my big Atomics patch has been unfairly blamed for causing lots of regressions
# [17:42] <padenot> nmatsakis: last time I used it, I could do a meeting
# [17:42] <padenot> it was a while ago, though
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# [17:42] <RyanVM> khuey: does your opinion of bug 902165 change knowing that it happens on every run, not intermittently?
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# [17:42] <decoder> khuey: ok thx
# [17:42] <decoder> jduell: ping
# [17:42] <jcranmer> it happened to land in the same nightly as the let's-start-using-content-processes-on-desktop
# [17:42] <RyanVM> khuey: BTW, we're also planning to make these errors fatal eventually
# [17:42] <nmatsakis> padenot: what kind of device were you using?
# [17:42] <khuey> RyanVM: possibly
# [17:42] <khuey> need to think about it some more
# [17:42] <padenot> nmatsakis: galaxy nexus
# [17:43] <jcranmer> and obviously every mysterious regression is the 1000-line automated change and not the 20-line use-something-on-desktop-for-the-first-time
# [17:43] <nmatsakis> padenot: k
# [17:43] <padenot> and some random samsung tablet once
# [17:43] <padenot> not sure of the model / generation
# [17:43] <jcranmer> now I just need to tell the person who is filing all of the crash bugs to look at that other change instead
# [17:43] <nmatsakis> the ones that are found in the meeting rooms in MV/SF seem to work well...
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# [18:17] <Yoric> RyanVM: pong
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# [18:18] <RyanVM> Yoric: some scary-looking android orange on your inbound push
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# [18:18] <Yoric> The address sanitizer?
# [18:19] <RyanVM> yes
# [18:19] <RyanVM> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Mozilla-Inbound&rev=9baba7e5b351
# [18:19] <RyanVM> m3, rc1, rc2, xpcshell (maybe)
# [18:20] <abr> Oh, wow. This is impressive. https://treestatus.mozilla.org/
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# [18:22] <janv> sewardj: hi, is it still recommended to use valgrind's HGDEV2 branch for checking stuff with helgrind ?
# [18:22] <Yoric> RyanVM: The errors don't look related to OS.File.
# [18:22] <Yoric> (they could be, of course)
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# [18:23] <RyanVM> Yoric; whelp, they didn't start until your push
# [18:23] <sewardj> janv: oh, definitely not
# [18:23] <RyanVM> and they're perma-fail from then on
# [18:23] <Yoric> ok
# [18:23] <Yoric> Then they must be related.
# [18:23] <sewardj> janv: that is long since dead
# [18:23] <janv> heh
# [18:23] <janv> ok
# [18:24] <sewardj> janv: use helgrind in trunk or 3.8.1
# [18:24] <janv> sewardj: it doesn't work on mac at all
# [18:24] <janv> trying linux
# [18:24] <janv> it crashes on mac
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# [18:25] <RyanVM> Yoric: tree's closed for other reasons at the moment if you want to take some time to investigate
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# [18:26] <Yoric> RyanVM: Unfortunately, now is not a good time for me.
# [18:26] <@smaug> "Unable to install tests\mozbase\mozhttpd! " ?
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# [18:26] <Yoric> So let's just revert this until I have had time to test it.
# [18:26] <sshagarwal> ttaubert: ping
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# [18:26] <mikedeboer> whoops, sorry, plz ignore that spasm
# [18:26] <@smaug> ah, mi is closed too
# [18:26] <RyanVM> smaug: yep, should be resolved but waiting on retriggers to confirm
# [18:27] <RyanVM> mozharness bustage
# [18:27] <Yoric> And thanks for the heads up.
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# [18:27] <RyanVM> Yoric: will do, np
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# [18:27] <Yoric> Logging out.
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# [18:28] <karolyi> hi, i'd like to overlay this function, but as it seems, it is an XPCOM module referenced in omni.ja: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-release/source/browser/components/sessionstore/src/nsSessionStartup.js#94 <-- is there any way to overlay this?
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# [18:28] <ialagenchev> Ms2ger: ping
# [18:29] <Ms2ger> Hi
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# [18:29] <ialagenchev> Ms2ger: did you have a chance to look over the email I sent you?
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# [18:29] <Ms2ger> ialagenchev, I replied about 30 seconds before you pang :)
# [18:30] <ialagenchev> Ms2ger: yeah I just noticed :-)
# [18:30] <sshagarwal> felipe: ping
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# [18:30] <ialagenchev> Ms2ger: let me try your suggestion
# [18:30] <felipe> sshagarwal: pong
# [18:31] <sshagarwal> hi felipe, there have been two pushes for the patch for https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=868711. Is this okay?
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# [18:33] <sshagarwal> the revision is same, but one is on m-c and the other on integration/fx-team
# [18:33] <gavin> sshagarwal: fx-team is a mozilla-central integration branch
# [18:33] <gavin> sshagarwal: that means that changes land there first, and then are merged over to mozilla-central
# [18:33] <gavin> the convention is to add a comment when both events occur
# [18:33] <sshagarwal> oh, okay :) thanks
# [18:33] <ialagenchev> Ms2ger: I had tried that yesterday, since I thought that's the right approach too, but I am getting this error: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/2847875
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# [18:34] <felipe> :)
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# [18:34] <froydnj> I love how changing java files causes a rebuild of everything
# [18:35] <Ms2ger> froydnj, you mean you like it when people who don't know make write lots of make?
# [18:35] <Ms2ger> ialagenchev, will look in a bit
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# [18:36] <ialagenchev> Ms2ger: thanks
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# [18:36] <froydnj> Ms2ger: something like that
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# [18:40] <Ms2ger> ialagenchev, I don't understand
# [18:41] <ialagenchev> Ms2ger: which part
# [18:41] <Ms2ger> I gave a code snippet with 5 arguments
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# [18:41] <Ms2ger> And your error says "requires 5 arguments, but 4 were provided"
# [18:41] <ialagenchev> let me make sure I didn't screw something up
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# [18:42] <ialagenchev> Ms2ger: oh yeah you can't do that. That method is private.
# [18:43] <ialagenchev> Ms2ger: Is there a reason for that? If I can just publicize it, it would work great for me.
# [18:43] <Ms2ger> So it is!
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# [18:44] <Ms2ger> ialagenchev, ask Waldo :)
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# [18:44] <ialagenchev> :-) Waldo ^
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# [18:44] <ialagenchev> Ms2ger: thanks Ms2ger
# [18:44] <Ms2ger> Np
# [18:45] <Waldo> ?
# [18:45] <ialagenchev> Waldo: can I make this public: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/content/base/public/nsContentUtils.h#858
# [18:45] <Ms2ger> Waldo, ialagenchev has a nsContentUtils::FormatLocalizedString caller that has a non-constant length
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# [18:46] <ialagenchev> Waldo: it's related to bug 897240
# [18:46] <billm> ttaubert: ping
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# [18:47] <ialagenchev> Waldo: I am adding a wrapper service around the console service, so that we can hook up security related observers
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# [18:47] <ialagenchev> Waldo: there is explanation in the bug about why the observer service in nsConsoleService doesn't work for us.
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# [18:48] <Waldo> non-constant length for that method seems a bit weird
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# [18:48] <ialagenchev> Waldo: I don't know how else to do this. Here is a pastebin of the code http://pastebin.mozilla.org/2841988. line 30 is the one that fails
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# [18:49] <ialagenchev> Waldo: if you have suggestions how to do this better, I'm all ears
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# [18:49] <Waldo> uh, you really don't want to be using VLAs
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# [18:49] <ialagenchev> Waldo: VLAs?
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# [18:50] <Ms2ger> flax?
# [18:50] <Waldo> variable-length arrays
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# [18:50] <Waldo> const PRUnichar* params[arrayLength];
# [18:50] <Waldo> technically those aren't even in C++
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# [18:50] <ialagenchev> Waldo: so how do I do this when I don't know how many string formats are passed from the caller?
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# [18:51] <ialagenchev> Waldo: so if I can make that method public, I can just pass the strings that was passed to me.
# [18:51] <ialagenchev> Waldo: I only had that there to try to figure out how to work with the public method - obviously I can't do that.
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# [18:52] <ialagenchev> Waldo: look at line 14-15
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# [18:53] <Waldo> ialagenchev: I'm not opposed to making the method public, just trying to understand why it's quite necessary -- it used to be the case that that method was only ever called with fixed-length arrays, so this would be a change
# [18:53] <Waldo> ialagenchev: note that if you do make it public, I'd probably add some C++ overloading such that if an array is passed into that method, the call won't compile
# [18:53] <Waldo> thus ensuring that passing an array uses only the length-inferring overload
# [18:53] <ialagenchev> Waldo: it used to be called by fixed arrays because all of the callers know how many arguments they need to pass to their formatted strings
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# [18:54] <Waldo> yeah
# [18:54] <@smaug> where do I file browser id bugs?
# [18:54] <ialagenchev> Waldo: I am the first code that tries to reuse the logic in nsContentUtils to provide another service
# [18:54] <Waldo> ialagenchev: isn't there some sort of content person to ask about this? I just touched some dressing here :-)
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# [18:54] <Ms2ger> Not it! :)
# [18:54] <ialagenchev> Waldo: content person - bholly sent me to Ms2ger, he sent me to you :-)
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# [18:55] * Ms2ger has no idea who does this logging stuff
# [18:55] <Waldo> sicking maybe?
# [18:55] <ialagenchev> Ms2ger: did a blame and the person that came up isn't on phonebook
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# [18:55] <Waldo> what person?
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# [18:56] <bholley> Ms2ger: hm?
# [18:56] <ialagenchev> Waldo: looking up again, don't remember off top of my head
# [18:57] <ialagenchev> Waldo: Jacob Holzinger
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# [18:59] <Waldo> hmm, yeah, that's not a name I recognize
# [18:59] <reuben> you reviewed his code ;)
# [18:59] <reuben> https://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/bd1bb076db6e
# [19:00] <Waldo> I'd guess it was a mentored good first bug sort of thing :-)
# [19:00] <gfritzsche> who could have an idea on xbl bindings being attached/instantiated where they shouldn't?
# [19:00] <Ms2ger> gfritzsche, I have mrbkap in my head, but I think that's wrong
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# [19:00] <Ms2ger> gfritzsche, probably bz; he's back the 19th
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# [19:01] <ialagenchev> Waldo: so if you don't see a problem making that method public, I would like to go for it.
# [19:01] <mrbkap> gfritzsche: I might be able to help.
# [19:01] <gfritzsche> mrbkap: ah, nice. i'm wondering about bug 904222
# [19:02] <Waldo> ialagenchev: at risk of being exaggeratedly dismissive in pursuit of semi-dubious humor, find someone who cares :-)
# [19:02] <ialagenchev> Waldo: lol
# [19:02] <Waldo> ialagenchev: there's gotta be some sort of content peer to approve of this somewhere :-)
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# [19:02] <Ms2ger> Waldo, your meta-humour is better than your humour ;)
# [19:03] <avih> vlad: ping. hmm.. I see the pref layout.frame_rate.precise set (false at all.js, true for b2g/metro), but i think i can't find it being used anywhere... (tried m/dxr). any idea?
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# [19:03] <Waldo> I never meta-humor that wasn't funny
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# [19:03] <jonni> Ciao a tutti!!!
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# [19:03] <gfritzsche> mrbkap: basically an xbl-binding for the plugin overlay seems to get instantiated even though it's a child of a display:none element
# [19:04] <ialagenchev> Waldo: Ms2ger thanks for the help and the humor :-)
# [19:04] <Ms2ger> Np
# [19:04] <avih> vlad: i'm pretty sure it was used in the past...
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# [19:04] <Waldo> "you like me, you really like me" ;-)
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# [19:04] <ialagenchev> Waldo: :-)
# [19:04] <gfritzsche> mrbkap: ... and i don't know if that really is invalid behaviour and who might know more
# [19:05] <Waldo> usually people just throw stuff at me :-)
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# [19:05] <Ms2ger> avih, looks like it was used in Fx4: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla2.0/source/layout/base/nsRefreshDriver.cpp#77
# [19:05] <ialagenchev> :-) now the hard time would be explaining the reason for this all over again
# [19:05] <reuben> ialagenchev: in other words, land it and see if someone yells
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# [19:05] <avih> Ms2ger: yeah, i do recall it was used, even not that long ago...
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# [19:06] <ialagenchev> reuben: that's a good approach, however that gets annoying if someone r- the patch right before it lands and asks to rearchitect the whole thing
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# [19:06] <ialagenchev> reuben: so I am going to play it safe here and ask before I write the code :-)
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# [19:06] <Waldo> aargh, Thunderbird, y u no like me now :-\
# [19:06] <reuben> ialagenchev: you gonna play the dismissive game, file a follow-up and assign it to the reviewer
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# [19:06] <reuben> gotta*
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# [19:06] <Waldo> not that I help you out much with folders with this many messages
# [19:06] <Ms2ger> reuben, if he lands it without review, I'll yell ;)
# [19:07] <RyanVM> lol
# [19:07] <RyanVM> 21:17:53 INFO - WARNING: YOU ARE LEAKING THE WORLD (at least one JSRuntime and everything alive inside it, that is) AT JS_ShutDown TIME. FIX THIS!
# [19:07] <ialagenchev> this has got to be my favorite discussion on #developers so far
# [19:07] <froydnj> RyanVM: RESOLVED WONTFIX NOTAFAILURE
# [19:07] <Ms2ger> RyanVM, yeah, it was an assert, Waldo had to downgrade it
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# [19:07] <Ms2ger> Waldo, how many?
# [19:08] <avih> Ms2ger: i'm betting on vlad's big timers patch, though iirc it was still there even after it. checking.
# [19:08] <vlad> avih: it's dead, I think I forgot to just nuke the pref
# [19:08] <RyanVM> Ms2ger: convenient that I'd find such a warning in a tbpl leak log, eh?
# [19:08] <ialagenchev> jlebar: ping
# [19:08] <mrbkap> gfritzsche: I'm surprised that we create the frame at all...
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# [19:08] <Waldo> Ms2ger: inbox has ~11k in it, my not-fully-read semi-recent bugmail folder is ~33k, and I have worse
# [19:08] <avih> vlad: well, metro and b2g are hoping it's useful as true ;)
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# [19:08] <Waldo> RyanVM: yeah, and see how much attention anyone's paying to it :-(
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# [19:08] <Waldo> cynical, me?
# [19:09] <Ms2ger> Not too bad, then... my inbox hovers between 50k and 100k
# [19:09] <mrbkap> gfritzsche: Can you pastebin the C++ stack to when we fire PluginBindingAttached?
# [19:09] <RyanVM> Waldo: any suggestions on which component to file it in - https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=26469176&tree=Mozilla-Inbound ?
# [19:09] <vlad> avih: heh
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# [19:10] <@ehsan> lsblakk: ping
# [19:10] <Ms2ger> Seems to be main-thread stuff there, so it's probably the xpconnect runtime... File it there?
# [19:10] <RyanVM> ehsan: are you going to re-request aurora checkin for those webaudio patches at some point?
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# [19:11] <@ehsan> RyanVM: I think padenot is waiting for approval for a pre-requisite patch
# [19:11] <@ehsan> padenot: is that correct?
# [19:11] <Waldo> the XPConnect runtime leaks the JSRuntime, certainly
# [19:11] <RyanVM> ehsan: isn't it all a=webaudio?
# [19:11] <padenot> ehsan: roc has asked for approval
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# [19:11] <@ehsan> RyanVM: not things that affect non-web Audio codee
# [19:11] <@ehsan> padenot: cool
# [19:11] <RyanVM> fair enough
# [19:11] <padenot> hopefully we can reland tonight or tomorrow
# [19:11] <avih> Ms2ger: vlad: yeah, removed in bug 731974 (big timers patch) https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=666731&action=diff
# [19:11] <ialagenchev> sicking: ping
# [19:11] <@ehsan> padenot: perfect!
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# [19:12] <sicking> ialagenchev: pong
# [19:12] <gfritzsche> mrbkap: sure, i'll check
# [19:12] <ialagenchev> sicking: do you or anyone on the dom team have a problem with making this method public: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/content/base/public/nsContentUtils.h#858?
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# [19:12] <ialagenchev> sicking: as in if I do it, do I run the risk of getting r-ed?
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# [19:13] <sicking> ialagenchev: That's fine with me. It's not using some deprecated API in the backend, right?
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# [19:14] <ialagenchev> sicking: this is a very heavily used method.
# [19:14] <ialagenchev> sicking: so I hope not :-)
# [19:15] <sicking> ialagenchev: as long as it doesn't use deprecated API then i think it's fine to expose
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# [19:15] <ialagenchev> sicking: ok thank you sir.
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# [19:16] <jcranmer> brief conclusion: there is no easy way to make PRUnichar act like char16_t without modifying NSPR or using sed
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# [19:16] <froydnj> jcranmer: ...
# [19:16] <jcranmer> we just use NSPR way too much :-/
# [19:16] <jcranmer> hmm
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# [19:17] <jcranmer> maybe if I did #define PRUnichar char16_t
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# [19:17] <ialagenchev> Waldo: so once I am near finished with my work, I will ping you to ask you how you were planning to ensure this method doesn't get abused. If that's ok with you. This way I can do the work for you as part of this patch.
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# [19:18] <Waldo> okay
# [19:18] <Ms2ger|cat> !seen wchen
# [19:18] <Ms2ger|cat> philor, ^
# [19:20] <philor> I can neither confirm nor deny the existence of a wchen
# [19:21] <Ms2ger|cat> Dammit
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# [19:23] <lsblakk> ehsan: pong
# [19:23] <ttaubert> billm: pong
# [19:23] <@ehsan> lsblakk: will you do the honours for approvals please?
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# [19:23] <lsblakk> ehsan: for bug 904001 ?
# [19:23] <@ehsan> lsblakk: yep
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# [19:23] <@ehsan> lsblakk: I just landed it on inbound
# [19:24] <lsblakk> ok!
# [19:24] <@ehsan> thanks!
# [19:24] <billm> ttaubert: just wanted to remind you about bug 902550
# [19:24] <@ehsan> lsblakk: should we land on release now? I need to update my clone in that case...
# [19:24] <ttaubert> billm: oh, right. will do asap
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# [19:24] <billm> ttaubert: thanks
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# [19:26] <lsblakk> dholbert: oh, it's terrible :)
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# [19:26] <dholbert> must have to replace those keys all the *time*
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# [19:35] <gfritzsche> hm, what's a decent way to get a c++ callstack from js?
# [19:36] <gfritzsche> any chrome "crash-me" function?
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# [19:36] <@ehsan> RyanVM: ping
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# [19:36] <RyanVM> ehsan: pong
# [19:36] <khuey> gfritzsche: nsIDebug?
# [19:36] <@ehsan> RyanVM: can you please transplant bug 904001?
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# [19:37] <RyanVM> ehsan: sure thing
# [19:37] <@ehsan> thanks a lot!
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# [19:37] <gfritzsche> khuey: that looks good, thanks
# [19:37] <reuben> I normally go with good ol' |Math.sin({});|, |b js::math_sin|
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# [19:37] <padenot> gfritzsche: just add a Math.atan somewhere and break in gdb on atan
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# [19:37] <RyanVM> lsblakk: ehsan: I assume you don't mind if I at least wait for some inbound green first? :)
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# [19:38] <@ehsan> RyanVM: I don't mind, not sure about lsblakk :)
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# [19:38] <@ehsan> RyanVM: fwiw I wrote the patch on my mac ;)
# [19:38] <RyanVM> or is this so OMG SUPERSAFE that you'll stake my pushing right away on it
# [19:38] <@ehsan> if it bounces, I deserve to be slapped
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# [19:39] * RyanVM makes a mental note of that
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# [19:39] <@ehsan> RyanVM: hehe I mean look at the patch, how could it possibly not build? :)
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# [19:39] <@ehsan> khuey: you can try delegating ;)
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# [19:39] <mconnor> khuey: SOIP works
# [19:39] <mconnor> I have done it before!
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# [19:40] <froydnj> /trout
# [19:40] <@ehsan> wut? it hasn't bounced yet!
# [19:40] <dholbert> he probably just had a trout handy
# [19:41] <@ehsan> fair enough!
# [19:41] <RyanVM> never let one go to waste
# [19:41] <jesup|laptop> he's just practicing
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# [19:44] <RyanVM> ehsan: this doesn't need to land on esr17?
# [19:44] <@ehsan> hmm
# [19:44] <@ehsan> not sure
# [19:44] <@ehsan> lsblakk: ^
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# [19:49] <@ehsan> jcranmer: ping
# [19:49] <@smaug> didn't we get .cpp file names to terminal during building. I see .o files nowadays
# [19:49] <Ms2ger|cat> Yeah, glandium changed that
# [19:49] <@ehsan> yeah I think that recently changed
# [19:49] <khuey> I think we changed it to show you what we're rebuilding
# [19:50] <jcranmer> ehsan: pong
# [19:50] <@ehsan> jcranmer: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=904086#c6
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# [19:50] <@ehsan> jcranmer: do I have your green light?
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# [19:51] <jcranmer> ehsan: go ahead
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# [19:54] <@ehsan> jcranmer: thanks!
# [19:54] <robertbindar> Hi, does anyone know how could I get assignment privileges on bugzilla?
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# [19:54] <froydnj> gerv: ^
# [19:55] <gavin> robertbindar: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/page.cgi?id=get_permissions.html
# [19:55] <lsblakk> RyanVM: no, esr17 is not affected by the crash
# [19:55] <lsblakk> ehsan: ^
# [19:55] <@ehsan> fine by me!
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# [19:55] <RyanVM> lsblakk: k, mind me waiting for a green Windows build at least before pushing?
# [19:55] <lsblakk> RyanVM: no problem
# [19:55] <RyanVM> thx
# [19:56] <lsblakk> RyanVM: the goal is to gtb on 23.0.1 this aft
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# [19:56] <robertbindar> gavin: thanks!
# [19:56] <RyanVM> lsblakk: OK, I've got it in my queue ready to push
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# [20:05] <jcranmer> "de-nominations"
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# [20:05] <jcranmer> that sounds like it should be a bad thing
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# [20:07] <Ms2ger> Who's getting de-nominated?
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# [20:10] <mbrubeck> my favorite denominations are $50, $100, and Cumberland Presbyterian
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# [20:13] <ramzi_> hi all im a newb and trying to setup Fennec on eclipse
# [20:13] <ramzi_> can anyone help me ?
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# [20:14] <mbrubeck> ramzi_: The folks in #mobile should be able to help
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# [20:14] <ramzi_> mbrubeck: thanks
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# [20:15] <mbrubeck> ramzi_: I know the stuff at https://wiki.mozilla.org/Mobile/Fennec/Android#Connecting_Eclipse_to_Android_Build_tree is a bit experimental and not widely tested, so I don't know if it's currentnly working or not
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# [20:15] <decoder> RyanVM: very unlikely that the android test failures are related. but ill do another try push
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# [20:16] <RyanVM> decoder: we shall see - the tests are pending on the backout push
# [20:16] <decoder> ok
# [20:16] <botond> ramzi_: There is an alternative set of instructions at https://github.com/thebnich/eclipse-fennec . Not sure which works better.
# [20:16] <RyanVM> decoder: sure started on that push
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# [20:17] <ramzi_> botond: Thank you !!!
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# [20:17] <RyanVM> decoder: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Mozilla-Inbound&rev=31f4b8658e3e if you're interested
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# [20:18] <ted> (de-nominations is "Distinguished Engineer" nominations, for those of you that didn't get the e-mail)
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# [20:18] <decoder> RyanVM: ok thx
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# [20:19] <decoder> RyanVM: the patch just changes which free() function is used, and without asan it shouldnt be any difference anyway. thats why im wondering how these failures could possibly relate
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# [20:19] <jduell> bent: ping
# [20:19] <decoder> but Yoric can maybe tell more then when it's confirmed
# [20:20] <bent> jduell, howdy
# [20:20] <RyanVM> decoder: I think sewardj can tell you stories about how seemingly-unrelated changes manage to break Android :)
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# [20:21] <bent> jduell, silliness
# [20:21] <jduell> bent: I'm taking that as a strong "yes"
# [20:21] <Ms2ger> Step 1: Denial
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# [20:21] <Waldo> interesting that that email apparently got sent to module owners (members/peers too maybe?)
# [20:22] <jcranmer> anyone who claims they understand the deadlock detector is clearly lying
# [20:22] <jcranmer> anyone who doesn't is also denying that they do
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# [20:25] <bent> jduell, I nominate jcranmer and Ms2ger to answer your questions ;)
# [20:25] <jcranmer> I claim to understand the deadlock detector then, :-P
# [20:25] <bent> jduell, so what's up?
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# [20:26] <khuey> be careful, bent is on an r- kick
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# [20:26] <jduell> bent: honza is hitting a deadlock detection assert but doesn't think it's possible there's a deadlock. I'll send you an email with the stacks involved
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# [20:28] <jduell> khuey: be careful, or I'll ask you for help with the deadlock detector too.
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# [20:29] <jlebar> ialagenchev: ack
# [20:29] <RyanVM> khuey: my turn to be pedantic - wouldn't an asserts-if have made more sense?
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# [20:30] <khuey> RyanVM: there's an asserts-if?
# [20:30] <RyanVM> yes
# [20:30] <khuey> heh
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# [20:30] * khuey didn't know that
# [20:30] <khuey> RyanVM: anyways we do want to run the correctness part of the test
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# [20:30] <khuey> we also want to fix the assertions but since joe left we don't have anyone to do the work :-(
# [20:30] <RyanVM> fair enough
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# [20:30] <RyanVM> asserts-if(gtk2Widget,0-1) should work
# [20:30] <khuey> but yeah, you're right
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# [20:31] <khuey> really we want asserts-if(onVM,0-1)
# [20:31] <khuey> ;-)
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# [20:31] <RyanVM> khuey: I hope seth hasn't ripped out too much of his hair yet
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# [20:32] <@dbaron> khuey, if that's the condition, we should probably actually add said condition to the reftest harness
# [20:33] <philor> then we could add timesoutonshutdown-if, and frequentlytakesovertwohours-if
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# [20:33] <ialagenchev> jlebar: figured it out :-)
# [20:33] <jlebar> ialagenchev: happy to help. :)
# [20:33] <overholt> jduell, sortable columns in about:networking would be cool
# [20:33] <RyanVM> philor++
# [20:33] <ialagenchev> jlebar: it's great when it works out like this, doesn't it?
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# [20:34] <jduell> overholt: yup, on the list
# [20:34] <overholt> jduell, nice
# [20:35] <marco> Mossop: ping
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# [20:36] <evilpie> Enn: what was his name again? I forgot it after lunch :)
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# [20:37] <Enn> evilpie: karlt
# [20:37] <evilpie> thanks, what is his timezone?
# [20:37] <gavin> Auckland
# [20:37] <Mossop> marco: pong, sorry I completely didn't get around to replying to your email did I
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# [20:38] <marco> Mossop: np, I was just wondering if you received it ;)
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# [20:39] <evilpie> thanks
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# [20:45] <RyanVM> philor: Win - https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/7e01510aa2a6
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# [20:48] <NeilAway> Ms2ger: nah, I'm an old-timer, you need to use pg
# [20:48] <RyanVM> decoder: looks like you lost that bet
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# [20:49] <jaws> are there tests in the tree that are intermittently failing and there is no better way to write the test to remove the failures?
# [20:50] <RyanVM> jaws: is that a trick question?
# [20:50] <Ms2ger> Hehehehehehehe
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# [20:50] <froydnj> find $srcdir -name 'tests' |xargs rm -rf
# [20:50] <jaws> RyanVM, Ms2ger: i'm wondering if we need a mochitest function for saying that this should pass, but allow it to intermittently fail some percentage of the time
# [20:51] <Ms2ger> If you write the patch :)
# [20:51] <jaws> heh
# [20:51] <RyanVM> jaws: basically a random-if for mochitests
# [20:51] <RyanVM> like we have for reftests
# [20:51] <RyanVM> yeah, it's a great way to make sure we never notice if a test starts failing all of the time
# [20:51] <jaws> RyanVM: yes, but it would either have to look at the history of the test or retrigger N times
# [20:52] <RyanVM> jaws: the proposal being bandied about right now is to move flaky tests into their own suite
# [20:52] <jaws> RyanVM: and if the failure rate went over a percentage (specified per test) then it would go orange
# [20:52] <RyanVM> but as of now, it's far from firm
# [20:52] <RyanVM> the first step is getting mochitests onto a manifest format
# [20:52] <RyanVM> and that work is well underway
# [20:53] <jlebar> khuey: Suppose someone built firefox on Windows with an empty mozconfig and doesn't have mozalloc.dll.
# [20:53] <jlebar> khuey: is that normal?
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# [20:54] <jlebar> khuey: we have four non-windows users trying to debug this, and nobody seems to want to try asking you... :)
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# [20:54] <Ms2ger> jlebar, now you'll see why...
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# [20:57] <RyanVM> Ms2ger: anything in particular you're trying to get on m-c?
# [20:57] <Ms2ger> Nah, just a good base for my try push
# [20:57] <RyanVM> Ms2ger: this morning's inbound pushes are pretty mired up in various oranges
# [20:58] <Ms2ger> Fair enough
# [20:58] <RyanVM> b2g-inbound and fx-team will probably merge soon, though
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# [20:59] <khuey> jlebar|lunch: yeah that's messed up
# [20:59] <khuey> jlebar|lunch: but I'm going to go eat
# [21:00] <RyanVM> Ms2ger: actually, 31f4b8658e3e is looking good for a merge once the pgo runs on the prior push finish
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# [21:00] <Ms2ger> RyanVM, okay, I'll wait a bit, then :)
# [21:00] <khuey> jlebar|lunch: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/moz.build#24
# [21:01] <khuey> jlebar|lunch: so unless they're trying to use a libxul sdk ...
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# [21:02] <jaws> RyanVM: the test queue on macosx64 is really bad, is there anything that we can do about it?
# [21:02] <Ms2ger> RyanVM, if you pang when that's all done, that'd be lovely :)
# [21:03] <jaws> pang :)
# [21:03] <Ms2ger> And why's @firefox spamming so much on twitter?
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# [21:04] <Ms2ger> dougt, ouch
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# [21:10] <RyanVM> jaws: no, we're down test slaves right now
# [21:10] <RyanVM> jaws: per #releng, shoudl be back up to normal levels by EOD today
# [21:10] <jaws> RyanVM: oh, well at least it's a known issue
# [21:10] <RyanVM> yes
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# [21:12] <rail> yzen: pong
# [21:13] <Austin__> Does anyone know why building with PGO on Windows with a FF22 tarball does not work?
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# [21:14] <yzen> rail: hi, i saw your were involved with bug 895862, i realize it's b2g specific but I am getting exactly the same error for mobile/android, would you happen to have any suggestions ?
# [21:14] <RyanVM> MattN: You're driving a hard bargain!
# [21:14] * rail looks
# [21:14] <yzen> rail: this it's been building normally last time i was building it (about 3-4 weeks ago)
# [21:15] <yzen> thanks
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# [21:15] <rail> yzen: it may be related to https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=903070#c11
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# [21:16] <rail> yzen: and http://hg.mozilla.org/build/mozharness/rev/8d8602c57d3e
# [21:16] <rail> (it disabled gcc 4.7.2 installation for the builders)
# [21:17] <rail> armenzg: ^
# [21:17] <rail> fyi
# [21:18] <armenzg> rail: anything for me to look into?
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# [21:19] <armenzg> all I did is to make live checked-in mozharness and back it out after a couple of hours
# [21:19] <rail> not sure
# [21:19] <yzen> rail: thanks
# [21:19] <Ms2ger> feature=defect c=testing u=developer p=2
# [21:19] <Ms2ger> Wut
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# [21:22] <jaws> the whole "feature=defect" thing confused me too :)
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# [21:27] <dougt> Ms2ger: ?
# [21:27] <Ms2ger> dougt, the tweet about not inviting you
# [21:27] <dougt> Ms2ger: yeah, they were teasing.
# [21:28] <dougt> i said something about the BAR being easier than the microsoft certification exams.
# [21:28] <Ms2ger> Oh dear
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# [21:37] <decoder> ill ping Yoric about it
# [21:37] <RyanVM> ok :)
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# [21:42] <marco> Optimizer: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Mozillians/API-Specification/List_Users/
# [21:43] <Optimizer> marco: thanks
# [21:44] <Optimizer> how to get the app key ?
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# [21:58] <Ms2ger> RyanVM, heya, sorry to keep bothering you, but are there any other merges forthcoming?
# [21:58] <KWierso> RyanVM: is that mc orange on fxteam actually a new thing?
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# [21:59] <RyanVM> looks like one in need of filing, yes
# [21:59] <RyanVM> CC adw
# [21:59] <KWierso> RyanVM: Bug 883953 touched the infobar that the context menu is in on metro firefox
# [21:59] <Yoric> decoder: pong
# [21:59] <RyanVM> KWierso: you're looking at the OSX bc failure?
# [21:59] <KWierso> win8 mc
# [22:00] <KWierso> on fx-team
# [22:00] <decoder> Yoric: the free patch seems to cause android test failures :/
# [22:00] <Yoric> Yes, RyanVM told me.
# [22:00] <RyanVM> Ms2ger: maybe 30-45min on b2g-inbound (want to see some green desktop builds on the merge push)
# [22:00] <Yoric> I guess I could make this conditional upon us not running on Android.
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# [22:00] <Yoric> This seems strange, though.
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# [22:00] <Yoric> glandium: ping
# [22:00] <Ms2ger> RyanVM, okay, thanks
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# [22:01] <RyanVM> KWierso: oh, you already starred it
# [22:01] <decoder> Yoric: yea, disabling the patch on android might be a good choice until we found out why it actually fails there
# [22:01] <Anupkumar> Yoric: ping
# [22:01] <KWierso> RyanVM: yeah, then I looked closer
# [22:01] <decoder> we dont have asan on android right now, so i dont need it there
# [22:01] <Yoric> Anupkumar: pong on #introduction
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# [22:01] <RyanVM> didn't I Just reopen that bug a little while ago?
# [22:01] <decoder> but it would be nice to know what causes the problems
# [22:01] <RyanVM> I think we saw it on inbound too
# [22:02] <RyanVM> KWierso: ah, it was on fx-team
# [22:02] <RyanVM> hmm
# [22:02] <RyanVM> KWierso: yeah, you may be right
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# [22:02] <RyanVM> Ms2ger: from the looks of it, I wouldn't hold out for an fx-team merge shortly
# [22:03] <Ms2ger> RyanVM, I won't then :)
# [22:03] * Ms2ger likes how we now have mozilla-inbound and b2g-inbound
# [22:05] <KWierso> RyanVM: can you do the backout for that? I don't have an fxteam tree handy :(
# [22:05] <RyanVM> KWierso: sure thing
# [22:05] <RyanVM> KWierso: though I'm probably going to stick you with merging it to m-c later today :)
# [22:05] <KWierso> works for me
# [22:05] <RyanVM> but you can do that without a local clone, anyway
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# [22:14] <Ms2ger> Oh, that kind of de-nominations
# [22:14] <Ms2ger> I'd say bz again :)
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# [22:18] <seth> oh no, why did i assign a top orange bug to myself
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# [22:18] <seth> now the emails will never stop =(
# [22:18] <philor> there's only one way to stop them
# [22:18] <philor> well, two
# [22:19] <philor> oh, three
# [22:19] <Ms2ger> * The "Don't send email" checkbox
# [22:19] <mbrubeck> 1) fix the bug 2) filter tbplbot to /dev/nul 3) unassign yourself 4) check the box
# [22:19] <Ms2ger> * Fixing it
# [22:19] <Ms2ger> * Filters
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# [22:20] * philor changes the summary to "Frequent ..."
# [22:20] <seth> heh
# [22:20] <jgilbert> don't forget disabling tests! :p
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# [22:20] <RyanVM> seth: you can't escape it now - I'll just harass you in the platform meeting instead :D
# [22:20] <seth> mbrubeck: that sounds like a very good approach
# [22:21] <RyanVM> lol, I mark as read and archive anything from tbplbot
# [22:21] <jcranmer> I delete them :-P
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# [22:21] <mbrubeck> Another reason that Bugzilla needs an "ignore this user" button ;)
# [22:21] <seth> RyanVM: that reminds me.. i've been meaning to take some PTO =p
# [22:21] <RyanVM> hah
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# [22:29] <mbrubeck> Hi, CuddlyCactusMC
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# [22:30] <CuddlyCactusMC> Finnally, someone who is online, but now i gtg
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# [22:32] <ialagenchev> msucan: ping
# [22:33] <msucan> ialagenchev: pong
# [22:33] <ialagenchev> msucan: are you free to meet at 10:00AM pdt tomorrow? I think that's 8:00 pm romanian time?
# [22:33] <ialagenchev> msucan: We would like to discuss the network messages with you.
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# [22:36] <msucan> ialagenchev: at 10:00 am PDT we have the daily scrum meeting, but that's not a requirement, so i think it works for me
# [22:36] <msucan> ialagenchev: one hour for the meeting?
# [22:36] <ialagenchev> msucan: is there a better time for you?
# [22:36] <ialagenchev> msucan: we can do 11:00 PDT if that's not too late, or 9:00 PDT
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# [22:37] <msucan> ialagenchev: erm, my bad. it's 8:00am PDT for the daily meeting
# [22:38] <msucan> just checked the time conversions
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# [22:38] <Ms2ger> msucan, you guys must get up early... :)
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# [22:38] <msucan> ialagenchev: 10:00am PDT works for me then.
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# [22:39] <msucan> ialagenchev: who will participate?
# [22:39] <ialagenchev> msucan: alright. expect meeting invite soon. grobinson, tanvi
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# [22:39] <msucan> Ms2ger: i'm in romania so these times mean it's evening for me
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# [22:40] <msucan> ialagenchev: cool, thanks
# [22:40] <ialagenchev> msucan: he might have referred to your team :-)
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# [22:41] <msucan> true, but we do have several europeans too :)
# [22:41] * Ms2ger approves of Europeans
# [22:41] <ialagenchev> Ms2ger: where are you located?
# [22:41] <Ms2ger> (Being one myself)
# [22:41] <msucan> france, greece, UK, romania... :)
# [22:42] <ialagenchev> msucan: how do you manage to schedule anything :-)
# [22:42] <msucan> ialagenchev: see above -- there's always a bit of "let me google the time zone"
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# [22:45] * jlebar suspects no
# [22:46] <Mossop> I don't think so
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# [22:56] <decoder> RyanVM: would you also like to comment on bug 831491?
# [22:56] <decoder> comment 11
# [22:57] <decoder> is adressing edmorley but also other sheriffs
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# [22:57] <decoder> we're trying to figure out how often we can/should run asan tests, if we want to have them unhidden on tbpl
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# [22:58] <khuey> Callek: is 725362 going to happen on thursday?
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# [22:59] <Callek> khuey: its looking like yes, I'm waiting for ben to answer, if I don't see one I'll approach his manager and the other 2 people I suspect can handle it tomorrow to be extra-sure if.
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# [23:00] <RyanVM> decoder: it's a tough question, but consider that we already do have a precedent in that we run pgo builds on a reduced frequency
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# [23:00] <decoder> RyanVM: okay. can you comment in the bug? I assume asan builds are unlikely to break a lot.. thats at least my experience
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# [23:00] <decoder> we need that info to figure out the financial impact
# [23:00] <decoder> it's not something I can decide (the frequency)
# [23:01] <decoder> but without any idea, i cannot figure out how much money will be required
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# [23:04] <jwatt> sicking: pong
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# [23:05] <sicking> jwatt: i put the comment in the bug instead
# [23:05] <jwatt> ok :)
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# [23:06] <jwatt> sicking: yeah, mounir and I already talked about that
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# [23:06] <sicking> jwatt: cool
# [23:06] <decoder> RyanVM: thx
# [23:06] <jwatt> sicking: so progress events at the element it is then
# [23:06] <sicking> jwatt: i hoped you had, but i didn't see anything in the bug
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# [23:07] <jwatt> sicking: yeah, thanks for making sure
# [23:07] <sicking> jwatt: there are many ways to do it. I'd rather not have completely different solutions for .openDirectoryPicker, and the "pick directory" button
# [23:08] <jwatt> sicking: I meant progress events at the element in both those cases
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# [23:08] <sicking> ok
# [23:08] <sicking> jwatt: whatever you guys come up with :)
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