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# [00:05] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/f619e14327ad - Jeff Walden - Bug 905947 - Don't assert when redefining an array's length to be configurable via the JSAPI. r=jorendorff
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# [00:08] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/535e7c112fc6 - Justin Lebar - Bug 909514 - Include <new> before mozilla::Maybe (and move Maybe into mfbt/Maybe.h). r=waldo
# [00:09] <jesup> How much overhead does PR_LOG have for code that's somewhat timing/speed sensitive? Does it throw formatted strings in a buffer for processing on a background thread, or does it write() directly?
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# [00:11] <abr> jesup: A quick dig through the code leads me to beleive you're calling into fwrite on-thread.
# [00:11] <jesup> abr: I expected so... Ah well
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# [00:13] <abr> jesup: It's hard to be 100% sure, because it ends up being controlled by a lot of macros, but a survey of a few of them leads to that same conclusion.
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# [00:13] <abr> s/macros/preprocessor defnitions/
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# [00:14] <philor> so cute that we have a top-10 failure in "browser_basic_functionality"
# [00:16] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/2308ce99493c - Terrence Cole - Bug 909866 - Fix an exact rooting hazard in JSCompartment::wrap; r=sfink
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# [00:20] <mbrubeck> catlee: Were those talos analysis changes deployed yet? I always get worried that it's my fault when dev-tree-management goes quiet for more than a few hours. :)
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# [00:22] <mbrubeck> I guess it's only about 5 hours since the last regression alert...
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# [00:24] <+catlee> mbrubeck: uh, no, sorry
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# [00:25] <mbrubeck> no problem, that's actually a relief :)
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# [00:33] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/4543cebdc8a0 - Luke Wagner - Bug 909534 - don't call exit as a backstop in AsmJSSignalHandler (r=bhackett)
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# [01:05] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/e85cc09477ee - Shu-yu Guo - Bug 909599 - Initialize PerThreadData for ForkJoinSlice. (r=nmatsakis)
# [01:05] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/0b00492b4b43 - Shu-yu Guo - Bug 908939 - Use the original function to construct the |this| type set in inline dispatch in Ion. (r=jandem)
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# [01:09] <jlebar> bjacob: gtest is very nice.
# [01:09] <jlebar> bjacob: thanks for doing that.
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# [01:47] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/31f0115e4f41 - David Keeler - bug 849553 - crypto.generateCRMFRequest should throw for bad key sizes r=bsmith
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# [01:49] <+BenWa> How do you update apple gdb?
# [01:51] <mrbkap> BenWa: see https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Developer_Guide/Build_Instructions/Mac_OS_X_Prerequisites ?
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# [01:52] <+BenWa> wondering cause I'm stuck on the latest XCode for 10.6 which is too old to debug the binary I have
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# [01:53] <+benjamin> can we make it, so the you-don't-have-flash popup thing doesn't get focus?
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# [01:53] <mrbkap> oh, gdb
# [01:53] <reuben> it's pretty hard
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# [01:54] <reuben> BenWa: http://sourceware.org/gdb/wiki/BuildingOnDarwin has instructions but I haven't been able to get my gdb builds to work
# [01:54] <reuben> lldb might be a better option
# [01:55] <+BenWa> alright ill try that
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# [02:04] <Waldo> gaaaaah, jlebar|away, y u maek me look at PLDHashTable :-P
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# [02:06] <jlebar|away> Waldo: this stuff will be really nice once it's all c++11 move constructors.
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# [02:06] <Waldo> jlebar: it's true
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# [02:07] <Waldo> jlebar: in the meantime, PLDHashTable makes a very strong argument for forcing all Mozilla code to be C++ to avoid this sort of crazy, I think
# [02:07] <Waldo> tracking down the init/finish semantics of non-C++ ctor/dtor-managed stuff is no fun
# [02:08] <Waldo> especially not with poor-man's vtables in flight
# [02:09] <jlebar> I'd drink to that
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# [02:09] <Waldo> I'd drink to avoid that!
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# [02:14] <Waldo> jlebar: is it just me, or is nsTHashtable<EntryType>::Init(uint32_t initSize, const fallible_t&) not asserting that initSize != 0 something that (if it happened) could lead to memory leaks? seems like the repurposing of mTable.entrySize != 0 to track whether the field needs to be destroyed, depends fairly crucially upon initSize never being 0, but nobody appears to check that
# [02:14] * jlebar has not looked closely at that...let me see
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# [02:15] <Waldo> granted I think we're only talking sizeof(uint32_t) leakage
# [02:15] <Waldo> and presumably most people aren't being dumb this way
# [02:15] <Waldo> but this seems like a case of sloppily not minding p's and q's
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# [02:16] <Waldo> or at least it's a leak using the default PL_DHashAllocTable
# [02:16] <jlebar> Waldo: In PL_DHashTableInit, capacity gets rounded up
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# [02:16] <jlebar> to PL_DHASH_MIN_SIZE
# [02:16] <jlebar> which is 16
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# [02:17] <jlebar> Waldo: But then mTable.entrySize is a different thing; it's sizeof(T).
# [02:18] <Waldo> jlebar: ideally; I'm assuming that someone's accidentally passing in 0, because there's nothing preventing them from doing so
# [02:18] <jlebar> Waldo: Someone using nsTHashtable passing in 0 for initSize?
# [02:18] <jlebar> Waldo: That's separate from entrySize
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# [02:18] <Waldo> jlebar: ...oh! I mixed up parameter ordering
# [02:19] <Waldo> jlebar: never mind, we're good here (modulo pldhash not being good :-) )
# [02:19] <jlebar> :D
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# [02:28] <mbrubeck> catlee: While walking to buy some beer, I suddenly had a eureka moment and realized I wrote a bug: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=904322#c8
# [02:28] <mbrubeck> (the moral of the story is, buy beer)
# [02:29] <mixedpuppy> thanks for the reminder
# [02:30] <jgilbert> do we have to buy it, or is grabbing one out of the fridge sufficient?
# [02:31] <mbrubeck> It only works for me if the beer store is at least five minutes away on foot.
# [02:31] <mbrubeck> We can try bisecting to find the actual lower bound, though.
# [02:32] <nrc> jgilbert: sounds like you could just walk the long way around to the fridge
# [02:32] <Waldo> njn: quick valgrind question: in https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/page.cgi?id=splinter.html&bug=909977&attachment=796312 in the nsTHashTable.h case, line 390 on the right-hand side, | aOther.mTable = PLDHashTable();|, given that PLDHashTable has no constructor, will valgrind correctly construe that overwrite as making all the bytes of aOther.mTable undefined? or is a MOZ_MAKE_MEM_UNDEFINED...
# [02:32] <Waldo> ...required to do that?
# [02:33] <jlebar> Waldo: Oh, interesting. It's not like int(), which defaults to 0?
# [02:33] <jlebar> That was not my intent.
# [02:34] * Waldo never quite fully remembers C++'s several initialization semantics, but he *thinks* neither int() nor PLDHashTable() initializes to anything
# [02:34] * Waldo looks it up for the umpteenth time
# [02:34] <jlebar> Maybe this is the difference between |new int| and |new int()|
# [02:35] <bnicholson> masayuki: ping
# [02:35] <jgilbert> `new int()` or `new int(x)`?
# [02:35] <tbsaunde> man we just racking up the things that should be drunk to avoid aren't we?
# [02:36] <jgilbert> because cpp tends to be unhappy about `new foo()`
# [02:36] <jlebar> tbsaunde++
# [02:36] <bnicholson> froydnj: ping
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# [02:37] <@njn> Waldo: oh, looking now
# [02:37] <Waldo> jlebar: I think that may be the case
# [02:37] <jlebar> Waldo: what, exactly? :)
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# [02:38] <Waldo> jlebar: that new int and new int() zero-init and don't-init, in one or the other order
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# [02:38] <jlebar> ah, yes.
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# [02:38] <jlebar> but then x = int() isn't necessarily the same.
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# [02:40] <@njn> Waldo: Valgrind works at the machine code level... it'll do whatever's appropriate w.r.t. the generated code :)
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# [02:42] <@njn> Waldo: if the code doesn't touch the bytes of mTable, then Valgrind won't change its view of their definedness
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# [02:43] <Waldo> jlebar: looks like the first comment on the first answer at http://stackoverflow.com/questions/563221/is-there-an-implicit-default-constructor-in-c suggests PLDHashTable() zeroes
# [02:43] <Waldo> jlebar: which is fine enough, certainly, but not optimal, seems
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# [02:43] <jlebar> Waldo: indeed, something this simple shouldn't require a look at the spec.
# [02:44] <Waldo> for C++? heh, heh, heh
# [02:44] <jlebar> Waldo: I mean, explicit is better than implicit.
# [02:44] <froydnj> bnicholson: pong
# [02:44] <@njn> Waldo: if it does zero, Valgrind will think it's defined
# [02:44] <Waldo> njn: yeah, I think this zeroes per C++ spec, so yeah, looks defined
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# [02:46] <bnicholson> froydnj: hey, i did a git blame on editor/reftests and saw your name :) so i apologize in advance if i'm asking the wrong person. so i landed the init gecko sooner patches, but they got backed out due to intermittent R4s: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Fx-Team&rev=0aed878e34d4
# [02:46] <bnicholson> i'm not at all familiar with those tests, but i'm not sure how initting gecko sooner could affect them
# [02:47] <bnicholson> any ideas what might be happening?
# [02:47] <Waldo> huh, I never new PLDHashTable and nsTHashTable already had move-ful support in them
# [02:47] <Waldo> s/new/knew/, ugh
# [02:48] <tbsaunde> orly?
# [02:48] <jlebar> Waldo: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=906918
# [02:48] <Waldo> nsTHashtable<EntryType>::s_CopyEntry and PLDHashMoveEntry
# [02:48] <jlebar> ah, that's what you mean
# [02:49] <Waldo> yeah, the mere fact of there being a move op under the hood
# [02:49] <Waldo> obviously the C++ move stuff's newer
# [02:50] <froydnj> bnicholson: my patches to editor/reftests were pretty trivial =/
# [02:51] <froydnj> bnicholson: I don't know how init'ing gecko earlier could cause those; they look like some sort of gfx issue
# [02:51] <froydnj> intermittent, too :(
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# [02:52] <bnicholson> yeah...i have a feeling this won't be an easy fix :-\
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# [02:53] <froydnj> bnicholson: the common factor looks like focus of some sort, maybe that's the place to start digging around
# [02:53] <RyanVM> bholley: ping
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# [02:53] <bholley> RyanVM: howdy
# [02:53] <froydnj> maybe gecko and java disagree on what's focused if gecko starts too soon or something
# [02:53] <RyanVM> bholley: You didn't happen to run bug 899367 past Windows on Try, did you?
# [02:54] <bholley> RyanVM: not sure
# [02:54] <bholley> RyanVM: is it acting up?
# [02:54] <RyanVM> bholley: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Mozilla-Inbound&rev=46cf4c3eb447
# [02:54] <RyanVM> see mochitest-bc
# [02:54] <RyanVM> inbound's all sorts of messed up right now
# [02:54] <RyanVM> trying to sort it all out
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# [02:56] <bnicholson> froydnj: interesting, i'll take a look. thanks
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# [03:00] <+daleharvey> if I have a bug relating tu html5 form input validation, whereabouts does that get filed?
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# [03:00] <RyanVM> bholley: I'm also suspicious of these OSX mochitest-other failures - https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=27088793&tree=Mozilla-Inbound
# [03:01] <tbsaunde> daleharvey: core:dom
# [03:01] <+daleharvey> cool cheers
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# [03:02] <glandium> khuey: IDBObjectStore.cpp is where the build error happened
# [03:02] <RyanVM> bholley: so I think I'm going to go ahead and back you out and see what that gets us
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# [03:06] <bholley> RyanVM: sorry, had to step away
# [03:06] <bholley> RyanVM: so, we appear to be OOMing during CC
# [03:06] <edwin> Is there a nice way to package just firefox + mochitests?
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# [03:06] <edwin> (or even better, just firefox + mochitest-plain)
# [03:07] <bholley> RyanVM: actually, just OOMing in general
# [03:07] <khuey> glandium: in that log maybe
# [03:07] <khuey> glandium: locally (and in the log I just posted) it fails in the other file too
# [03:07] <glandium> khuey: in all the logs of that push
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# [03:08] <glandium> khuey: does it happen on non-windows?
# [03:09] <khuey> idk, didn't test
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# [03:10] <khuey> glandium: looks like it only fails in IDBObjectStore.cpp on gcc
# [03:10] <khuey> and not in the other
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# [03:10] <khuey> WTF windoze
# [03:10] <bholley> RyanVM: anyway, feel fry to give the backout a try
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# [03:10] <glandium> khuey: clang tells me "error: cannot allocate function type 'mozilla::fallible_t ()'"
# [03:11] <glandium> on OpenDatabaseHelper.cpp
# [03:11] <RyanVM> bholley: will do
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# [03:11] <khuey> glandium: wtf does that mean? ;-)
# [03:12] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/4fa161a24995 - Ryan VanderMeulen - Backed out 12 changesets (bug 899367) for Windows and OSX mochitest failures on a CLOSED TREE.
# [03:12] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/b1197402e485 - Ryan VanderMeulen - Backed out changeset 5acab2576a56 (bug 885277) for intermittent mochitest-other failures.
# [03:12] <glandium> khuey: probably that it doesn't work with a temporary
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# [03:15] <ckitching> So here's a fun question. Why are we doing this: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/widget/android/AndroidBridge.h#152
# [03:15] <ckitching> I ask because: http://linux.die.net/man/3/pthread_equal
# [03:16] <ckitching> "The pthread_equal() function is necessary because thread IDs should be considered opaque: there is no portable way for applications to directly compare two pthread_t values. "
# [03:16] <ckitching> Shouldn't we be using that instead?
# [03:16] <glandium> khuey: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/search?string=new.*fallible&regexp=on&find=&findi=&;filter=^[^\0]*%24&hitlimit=&tree=mozilla-central
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# [03:16] <glandium> ckitching: file a bug?
# [03:17] <khuey> glandium: hah
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# [03:17] <glandium> khuey: i wonder how all these static const fallible_t fallible end up in the binary, though...
# [03:18] <glandium> we might as well define one globally
# [03:20] <glandium> that's even what the mozalloc.h comment suggests exists
# [03:20] <glandium> (except that it doesn't)
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# [03:22] <seth> i need to store stuff in a hash table with (weak) pointers as the keys
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# [03:22] <seth> what's the best mozilla hash table to use for that?
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# [03:23] <@bz> seth: you can just use an XPCOM hashtable with a voidptr key, right?
# [03:23] <RyanVM> hmm, any gfx people around who have access to bug 899702?
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# [03:23] <@bz> seth: nsPtrHashKey
# [03:24] <seth> bz: yeah, that sounds like what i need
# [03:24] <seth> thanks!
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# [03:31] <seth> one other question (just full of them today) - i also need a priority queue that behaves like a max-heap, so I need a comparator where LessThan returns (a > b). is there an existing one or should i just write one? mxr produces way too many results for 'comparator'
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# [03:35] <tbsaunde> seth: I think you can do that with nsTArray though its probably not very fast
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# [03:36] <seth> tbsaunde: well, nsTPriorityQueue exists. the comparator is trivial to write, but i hate to litter the code with duplicates of existing functionality
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# [03:38] <@bz> Looking at our LessThan impls, none of them do what you want
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# [03:38] <@bz> Just write a new one and put it in nsTArray.h?
# [03:38] <@bz> Which is where DefaultComparator seems to be
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# [03:39] <@bz> RyanVM: I assume we're waiting for some test results before reopening?
# [03:39] <seth> ok, will do
# [03:39] <RyanVM> bz: yeah
# [03:40] <RyanVM> bz: given how messed up everything is, I'm not completely certain that everything that needs backing out has been
# [03:40] <@bz> RyanVM: Any idea of how long that usually takes nowadays?
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# [03:40] <@bz> RyanVM: just so I know when to look again? ;)
# [03:40] <RyanVM> the tbpl etas are reasonably accurate
# [03:40] <RyanVM> realistically, probably a couple hours at this point
# [03:40] <RyanVM> nice combo of legit bustage plus needs-clobber bustage left inbound in a sorry state
# [03:41] <tbsaunde> bz: or add template arg to nsTPriorityQueue for what type of heap it should be?
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# [03:42] <tbsaunde> I suppose that would involve writtingthe same comparator though :)
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# [03:46] <seth> yeah, seems to me it boils down to the same thing
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# [03:46] <seth> there are basically two obvious choices and we have one of them but not the other in nsTArray.h
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# [03:48] <@bz> RyanVM: Thanks
# [03:48] <RyanVM> bholley: looks like your patch was causing a lot of mochitest-bc slowdowns too
# [03:48] <RyanVM> bholley: lot of "this test is running slowly" failures
# [03:48] <bholley> RyanVM: on windows only?
# [03:48] <RyanVM> all platforms
# [03:48] <bholley> RyanVM: awesome - can you post in the bug?
# [03:48] <RyanVM> sure
# [03:48] <bholley> RyanVM: thanks
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# [03:50] <RyanVM> bholley: and leaks - https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=27093251&tree=Mozilla-Inbound
# [03:50] <RyanVM> bholley: so overall, more Trying :)
# [03:50] <bholley> RyanVM: it's a big change
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# [03:51] <RyanVM> tested only on Linux try?
# [03:52] <bholley> RyanVM: the higher ups are telling us to use try less
# [03:52] <bholley> s/use/abuse/
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# [03:52] <bholley> RyanVM: it's hard to know what to do. All of my changes are big changes
# [03:52] <abr> bholley -- First I've heard of that. Where did this message go out?
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# [03:53] <@bz> bholley: You should somewhat ignore the higher ups
# [03:54] <bholley> abr: not through public channels - I just heard about concerns of our automation footprint. My comment above was exaggerated in its framing as a mandate
# [03:54] <abr> bholley: Ah, okay.
# [03:54] <RyanVM> bholley: I think there's a big difference between the common types of Try abuse and "massive change to CC/GC patterns" Try use
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# [03:54] <abr> I mean, I understand not wasting resources, but I figure it's better to crash and burn on try than to close m-i due to a platform-specific failure.
# [03:54] <RyanVM> which reminds me, I need to see how far my weekend fun got me up the highscores list
# [03:55] <bholley> RyanVM: if you want me to use -b do -p all -u all more, I can
# [03:55] <RyanVM> I'M #1
# [03:55] <RyanVM> I'M #1
# [03:55] <RyanVM> WOOWOO
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# [03:55] <RyanVM> take that, bhackett!
# [03:55] * seth is #3 =p
# [03:55] <bholley> abr: well, it depends. We don't have the bandwidth to push everything to try on all platforms
# [03:55] <bholley> abr: and it's expensive
# [03:56] <bholley> abr: in dollars as well as other resources
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# [03:56] <@bz> RyanVM: where's the list nowadays?
# [03:56] <RyanVM> bholley: I wouldn't complain one bit if you did a final "all" run before pushing :)
# [03:56] <glandium> khuey: fwiw http://llvm.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=10428
# [03:56] <ckitching> RyanVM: As a fellow user of try, please don't. :P
# [03:56] <RyanVM> bz: https://secure.pub.build.mozilla.org/builddata/reports/reportor/daily/highscores/highscores.html
# [03:56] <bholley> RyanVM: ok, I'll go more liberal in that direction
# [03:56] * @bz continues to be in mid-pack, ok
# [03:57] <RyanVM> bholley: the silly stuff we're trying to avoid is people running tests on all platforms when their code clearly doesn't affect them all
# [03:57] <abr> bholley: I get that it costs real money, but closing m-i costs developer real time, and I'd bet the cost of human resources idling or operating below peak efficiency adds up much much faster than the cost of cloud resources.
# [03:57] <RyanVM> and other things like that
# [03:57] <@bz> bholley: yeah, looking at this list, you're not overusing try by any means
# [03:57] <RyanVM> man, I haven't made the top 10 for Try usage in awhile
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# [03:58] <bholley> abr: they're not all cloud resources either
# [03:58] <bholley> abr: we literally cannot afford to push everything to try -b do -p all
# [03:58] <bholley> abr: though we might be able to afford it for certain people like me
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# [03:59] <ckitching> And not all tests are meaningful for all changes.
# [03:59] <RyanVM> bholley: I think for the work you do, you are a case where heavier testing across all platforms is entirely justified
# [03:59] <ckitching> If I make a change in the Android frontend code there's naff all point me running the desktop tests, for example.
# [03:59] <abr> bholley: I'm not arguing for that. Heavens, I only run the mochi tests that correspond to what I'm changing. In any case, the point remains that computer cycles are cheaper than human cycles, and closing the trees is very expensive.
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# [04:00] <ckitching> abr: Running all the tests all the time ALSO costs human cycles, because we have to wait longer to know our own tests results.
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# [04:00] <ckitching> abr: Given that we do not have enough try resources to run tests under such circumstances at a sane speed.
# [04:00] <RyanVM> bholley: at least from the end I've been on of these conversations, more of the emphasis has been on using Try wisely, not using it fully where needed
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# [04:01] <abr> RyanVM: Yes, and that's what I'm advocating here.
# [04:01] <RyanVM> exactly
# [04:02] <RyanVM> what we're trying to be on the lookout for is stuff like "all" pushes on patches that only affect B2G
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# [04:02] <RyanVM> not to pick on them specifically, but that's definitely a battle we've had to fight
# [04:02] <mbrubeck> Couldn't we make "-p all" use the same logic that non-Try pushes do?
# [04:03] <RyanVM> the other thing is that even though my usage in the last week has been through the roof (seriously, #1 by a mile), most of that was during off-peak hours
# [04:03] <RyanVM> and that was very much intentional on my part
# [04:03] <RyanVM> a LOT of that was from over the weekend
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# [04:05] <mbrubeck> i.e. we could make https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=787449 apply to "-p all" Try pushes
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# [04:05] <mbrubeck> It wouldn't catch all of the abuse, but it'd catch some
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# [04:05] <ckitching> This sounds like an excellent idea.
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# [04:07] <RyanVM> mbrubeck: yes, that would be very nice
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# [04:07] <RyanVM> mbrubeck: we also need to improve that logic
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# [04:07] <RyanVM> (there's already a bug on file for that)
# [04:07] <RyanVM> heck, I saw a change today to android.m4 that started buidls on all platforms
# [04:07] <mbrubeck> yes, for example https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=832008 would be a major reduction in resource use by my team...
# [04:08] <mbrubeck> but apparently doesn't fit well with our scheduler architecture
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# [04:08] <mbrubeck> Any change to /browser/metro should really build only on Windows and run only one test suite (Windows 8 mc)
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# [04:09] <mbrubeck> I guess we could do that by getting our own integration branch and configuring it with only those jobs...
# [04:09] <mbrubeck> though then we have to do frequent merges to avoid conflicts when we land patches that touch both /browser/metro and elsewhere at the same time.
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# [04:11] <glandium> https://www.webkit.org/blog/3011/reference-radness-whats-up-with-all-this-in-webkit-lately/ mmmmmmmm
# [04:11] <mbrubeck> interesting
# [04:12] <RyanVM> philor|away: awesome, so we traded one Android failure for another on margaret's push
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# [04:13] <RyanVM> mbrubeck: i'm really debating about whether to let this hold up merging fx-team to m-c or not
# [04:13] <RyanVM> seems that we're basically back to where we started
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# [04:14] <mbrubeck> I'm optimistic about your rck2 retrigger
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# [04:14] <mbrubeck> since cd5991a56874 (the partial backout) was really really really an rp-only change
# [04:15] <RyanVM> mbrubeck: true
# [04:15] <RyanVM> i bumped the priority on the retrigger
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# [04:16] <RyanVM> the code -20 fix appears to be working nicely at least :)
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# [04:17] <RyanVM> now to convince the release drivers tomorrow that it's baked on m-c long enough for uplift to fx24 :P
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# [04:49] <@njn> is ICU enabled on trunk?
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# [04:57] <RyanVM> njn: my recollection is that it's built by default but not actually enabled
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# [04:59] <RyanVM> haven't seen many of those in awhile
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# [05:02] <@njn> RyanVM: if test "$NIGHTLY_BUILD" = "1" -a "$MOZ_BUILD_APP" = "browser"
# [05:02] <@njn> if that's true, then --with-intl-build is used
# [05:02] <@njn> *--with-intl-api=build
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# [05:04] <RyanVM> njn: this is all bug 853301, right?
# [05:04] <@njn> RyanVM: apparently so
# [05:05] <RyanVM> yes, comment 45
# [05:05] <@bz> ooh, greenish
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# [05:05] <RyanVM> bz: yeah, looking good
# [05:05] <RyanVM> bz: I'd love to see bc green on !Windows
# [05:06] <RyanVM> better yet - debug
# [05:06] <RyanVM> of course, some of those run for 2.5 hours
# [05:06] <RyanVM> yay us
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# [05:09] <@bz> RyanVM: lovely.
# [05:09] <@bz> RyanVM: Why do we have a browser chrome again?
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# [05:09] * @bz recommends we all use Viewer
# [05:09] * RyanVM would love for someone to figure out what mochitest-bc takes 2+hr to run on osx debug builds
# [05:09] <RyanVM> why*
# [05:10] <RyanVM> at least we're theoretically breaking it into 2 chunks soonish
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# [05:11] <mihneadb_> RyanVM: almost got ted to sign off on the final patch for parxpc. win xp opt in 8 mins sounds nice <3
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# [05:15] <glandium> and parallel building it, guess what, randomly crashes
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# [06:14] <@bz> hmm?
# [06:14] <glob> "open!" commit, commit, commit, commit, ...
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# [06:15] <@bz> that is the point of being "open", yes. ;)
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# [06:54] <@bz> njn: ping
# [06:54] <@bz> er, sorry
# [06:54] <@bz> luke: ping
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# [06:56] <@bz> mmm
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# [07:00] <@bz> b2g-only bustage, too
# [07:01] <@bz> and the patch looks ok to me....
# [07:02] <philor> arm-linux-androideabi-gcc (GCC) 4.4.3, on the other hand, doesn't think much of it
# [07:03] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/c98af21f7072 - Phil Ringnalda - Back out 4bb5a77c36a6:88a3198c7007 (bug 900669) for b2g build failures
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# [07:05] <@bz> yes, I did notice that
# [07:05] <@bz> Point being, the right header is included for PodZero
# [07:05] <@bz> so gcc is smoking something
# [07:05] <philor> how about your Windows bustage, notice that yet?
# [07:05] <@bz> hmm?
# [07:05] * @bz is looking
# [07:05] <@bz> Presumably a merge issue, since this was green on try a few hours ago
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# [07:06] <@bz> uh
# [07:06] <@bz> this is claiming a syntax error in a system header
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# [07:06] <glandium> bz: busted slave?
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# [07:07] <philor> worked four hours ago
# [07:07] <philor> which certainly doesn't preclude it being busted
# [07:07] <@bz> I have no idea
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# [07:07] <philor> but opt agrees
# [07:07] <@bz> but if my patch can cause that....
# [07:07] <@bz> wtf?
# [07:07] <@bz> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=9dc8acf1e1f7
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# [07:09] <@bz> ok
# [07:09] <@bz> let me see here...
# [07:09] <philor> both clobbers, that takes away my primary weapon
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# [07:09] <glandium> bz: are you on windows?
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# [07:09] <glandium> the b2g bustage is on njn
# [07:10] <philor> he had some too?
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# [07:11] <glandium> ah no, it's luke
# [07:11] <philor> whew
# [07:11] <@bz> glandium: no
# [07:11] * @bz wishes he could tell what .cpp is being compiled when this is hit....
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# [07:12] <@bz> But the log does not make that at all clear
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# [07:13] <@bz> It's definitely failing the same way, though
# [07:13] <@bz> so something changed. :(
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# [07:13] <glandium> bz: would be interesting to know what's in wingdi.h on line 605
# [07:14] <@bz> Sure would!
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# [07:14] <glandium> presumably, there's a bad #define somewhere that breaks it
# [07:14] <@bz> And why try did not have this problem
# [07:14] <@bz> yes, indeed
# [07:14] <@bz> note that I mostly removed includes
# [07:14] <@bz> so presumably a now-missing #undef....
# [07:14] <@bz> or something
# [07:15] <glandium> bz: maybe try builds are not doing metro? (random thought, i supposed the Windows Kits\8.0 thing is for metro)
# [07:16] <@bz> I have no idea....
# [07:16] <glandium> i don't have that kit installed on my windows vm
# [07:16] <philor> metro-chrome works on try, whether that means it's doing the same thing or not
# [07:16] <@bz> I've found a wingdi.h, but it might be a different one....
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# [07:17] <@bz> I should know better than to try to remove any #includes from anywhere... :(
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# [07:18] <markh> in my 8.0 sdk dir, 605 is: } BITMAP, *PBITMAP, NEAR *NPBITMAP, FAR *LPBITMAP;
# [07:18] <markh> which is the tail of the typedef struct tagBITMAP defn
# [07:18] <@bz> markh: thanks!
# [07:18] <markh> np!
# [07:19] <@bz> so presumably BITMAP?
# [07:19] <glandium> bz: probably
# [07:19] <glandium> markh: what's on line 619?
# [07:19] <glandium> and 964
# [07:20] <markh> 619: } RGBTRIPLE, *PRGBTRIPLE, NEAR *NPRGBTRIPLE, FAR *LPRGBTRIPLE;
# [07:20] <@bz> we have no #undef BITMAP bits
# [07:20] <markh> 964: } CHARSETINFO, *PCHARSETINFO, NEAR *NPCHARSETINFO, FAR *LPCHARSETINFO;
# [07:20] <@bz> we have some undef FAR
# [07:21] <glandium> bz: that could be a problem
# [07:21] <glandium> markh: ah better yet, line 1191?
# [07:21] <@bz> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/search?string=undef+FAR&find=&findi=&;filter=^[^\0]*%24&hitlimit=&tree=mozilla-central
# [07:21] <markh> 1191: typedef NPTEXTMETRICW NPTEXTMETRIC;
# [07:21] <glandium> wingdi.h(1191) : error C2146: syntax error : missing ';' before identifier 'NPTEXTMETRIC'
# [07:21] <@bz> And 1187
# [07:21] <markh> 1187: } TEXTMETRICW, *PTEXTMETRICW, NEAR *NPTEXTMETRICW, FAR *LPTEXTMETRICW;
# [07:22] <@bz> "c:\Program Files (x86)\Windows Kits\8.0\include\um\wingdi.h(1187) : error C4430: missing type specifier - int assumed. Note: C++ does not support default-int"
# [07:22] <@bz> looks like NEAR is being an issue?
# [07:22] <@bz> c:\Program Files (x86)\Windows Kits\8.0\include\um\wingdi.h(1187) : error C2371: 'near' : redefinition; different basic types
# [07:22] <@bz> wtf?
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# [07:23] <glandium> bz: essentially, it's considering near is not a keyword
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# [07:23] <@bz> mmm
# [07:23] <@bz> We have some "undef near"
# [07:24] <@bz> In dom/system/nsDeviceSensors.cpp
# [07:24] <@bz> and dictionary_helper_gen.py
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# [07:24] <@bz> And hunspell_fopen_hooks.h
# [07:24] <glandium> bz: why would that fail only now?
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# [07:24] <@bz> none of which should offhand have affected my stuff....
# [07:24] <@bz> An excellent question
# [07:24] <@bz> So what's possible is that something was included after that undef
# [07:25] <@bz> that redefined it
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# [07:25] <glandium> that being said, they look like footguns
# [07:25] <@bz> and now is no longer being included?
# [07:25] <glandium> bz: how old was the tree you pushed to try?
# [07:25] <glandium> might be worth looking at the diff, if it's not too big
# [07:26] <@bz> A day or so
# [07:26] <@bz> 764 files changed, 11286 insertions(+), 4042 deletions(-)
# [07:26] <@bz> Is the diff
# [07:26] <glandium> hrm
# [07:27] <glandium> bz: the cpp that failed is Navigator.cpp
# [07:27] <@bz> ok
# [07:27] <@bz> well, that did not change between when I pushed to try and now
# [07:27] <@bz> in any interesting way
# [07:28] <@bz> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/77bd0d897a2a was the only thing touching it
# [07:28] <glandium> has to be one of the things it includes
# [07:28] <@bz> indeed
# [07:28] <@bz> there were tons of includes changes, of course
# [07:29] <gaston> grr tree closed
# [07:29] <@bz> OK
# [07:29] <@bz> I guess I get to backout and do a bunch of try pushes
# [07:29] <@bz> in hopes of at least finding out which of my patches is responsible....
# [07:29] <@bz> and hope that people don't land too much shit in the meantime or something
# [07:30] <@bz> Unless someone has a better idea? :(
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# [07:32] <glandium> bz: i don't ; but i think what's happening is that one of the includes you're removing is making windef.h stop being included
# [07:33] <@bz> hrm
# [07:33] <glandium> and i bet wingdi.h doesn't include it
# [07:33] <@bz> So I could just include windef.h at the top of Navigator.cpp
# [07:33] <@bz> and see where that gets me...
# [07:33] <@bz> but probably on try. :(
# [07:34] <glandium> bz: yeah
# [07:34] <@bz> philor: I'm going to back out the 4 changesets for bug 909645
# [07:34] <@bz> philor: or would you prefer I backed them all out?
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# [07:36] <@bz> philor: well, specifically the other ones only touch bindings
# [07:36] <@bz> philor: and should not have weird side-effects like this on Navigator
# [07:36] <@bz> philor: whereas 909645 touches all sorts of stuff....
# [07:36] <philor> bz: makes sense to me
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# [07:37] <@bz> ok
# [07:37] * @bz does that
# [07:37] <philor> and for inspiration, http://graphs.mozilla.org/graph.html#tests=[[205,63,8]]&sel=none&displayrange=7&datatype=running does say you shouldn't just give up on killing includes
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# [07:38] <@bz> heh
# [07:39] <philor> I'd heard that the PGO Apocalypse Watch had dropped from red or orange, but I hadn't actually looked at the graph
# [07:39] <philor> *to orange
# [07:41] <glandium> philor: that says a lot about how msvc's linker sucks
# [07:41] <glandium> philor: the graph from last 30 days is nice to see
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# [07:44] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/988f55f8196e - Boris Zbarsky - Back out revisions 042d50591265:69f4af72765c (bug 909645) due to Windows bustage causing a CLOSED TREE.
# [07:45] <philor> hmm, who crashed in https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=27101116&tree=Mozilla-Inbound?
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# [07:45] <philor> doesn't appear to be as
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# [07:47] <edwin> Anybody else hitting https://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/gfx/layers/ipc/LayerTransactionChild.cpp#89 on linux on latest m-c?
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# [07:48] <glandium> philor: it's the compiler
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# [07:48] <glandium> philor: that'd grant a new bug. sigh
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# [07:49] <glandium> philor: cc me and froydnj
# [07:50] <philor> but I *like* just sticking with the 4.7.2 one!
# [07:50] <glandium> philor: let's say the 4.7.2 one is for as crashes now
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# [07:51] <glandium> action for both types of crashes is not the same
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# [07:51] <glandium> one has less chances of blowing things up than the other
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# [07:52] <gaston> edwin: i've seen it a _lot_ last evening when debugging webrtc, so yes
# [07:52] <gaston> edwin: and on openbsd, not linux
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# [07:53] <gaston> edwin: if you file a bug please cc me..
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# [07:59] <nrc> edwin: with OMTC on?
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# [08:01] <khuey> IPDL seems kind of dumb sometimes
# [08:01] <khuey> foo->Send__delete__(foo) for instance
# [08:01] <khuey> you'd think it could figure that out
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# [08:01] <edwin> nrc: This is while running mochitests; so whatever the default is on linux, I guess.
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# [08:02] <nrc> edwin: default is off except for Ripc and Cipc which are multi=process and default is on
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# [08:03] <gaston> i saw it crashing plugin-container in a webrtc-landing page
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# [08:03] <nrc> edwin: those are not mochitest suites though, so seeing that assert is very, very odd
# [08:03] <nrc> gaston: ah maybe it is because of the e10s thumbnailing stuff
# [08:04] <edwin> This happens during media playback with the gstreamer backend as well; pretty sure there haven't been any gstreamer changes committed lately, and I'm not sure why it's only gstreamer.
# [08:04] <gaston> yeah gstreamer enabled too here
# [08:04] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/0f0d1a977766 - Jan Beich - Bug 909832 - Make sure errno is declared. r=roc
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# [08:04] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/6bd5bc19306c - Makoto Kato - Bug 851992 - Allow building against system ICU library. r=glandium f=gaston
# [08:05] <edwin> Ah crap
# [08:05] <edwin> I can see where this is going
# [08:05] <edwin> Oh good
# [08:05] <edwin> I didn't even need to play anything that time
# [08:06] <nrc> edwin: do you ahve a bt
# [08:06] <nrc> ?
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# [08:06] <edwin> nrc: Coming up
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# [08:10] <edwin> Well... I got *a* bt. This time in JS GC, some time before freezing my X server.
# [08:11] <nrc> edwin: wrong thread?
# [08:11] <gaston> the traces i had were total nonsence
# [08:11] <gaston> nonsense, even
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# [08:13] <edwin> Ah, I had updated to an earlier cset to see if it was fixed.
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# [08:28] <@bz> Man
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# [08:28] <@bz> 8/13 a whole ton of people filed bogus bugs. :(
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# [08:29] <@roc> so just like any other day, basically?
# [08:29] <@bz> no
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# [08:29] <@bz> like some professor assigned a 200-person class a homework part of which was "file a bugzilla bug"
# [08:30] <glob> bz, roc's correct
# [08:30] <@bz> Lots of different mails, very similar bugs
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# [08:30] <glob> that happens weekly
# [08:30] <@bz> really?
# [08:30] <glob> yup
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# [08:30] * @bz doesn't recall seeing an incident this bad
# [08:31] <@bz> unless they usually don't file in Core?
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# [08:31] <glob> it's normally all over the shop
# [08:31] <glob> the bugzilla product gets hit more frequently than most
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# [08:31] <@bz> mmm
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# [08:31] <@roc> glob: is it class work?
# [08:31] <glob> it died down after we contacted a university in india
# [08:32] <@roc> I wonder if bug 689498 would make a good intern project
# [08:32] <@bz> glob: ah, good, we found which university this was....
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# [08:33] <@bz> all with similar text
# [08:33] <glob> invalid pin?
# [08:33] <@bz> along those lines, yep
# [08:33] <@bz> inserting cards into ATMs, et
# [08:33] <@bz> er, etc
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# [08:34] <edwin> Doesn't look like I can reproduce the layers assertion fail from before, but the JS GC one persists: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/2927798
# [08:34] <glandium> somehow a lot of those bugs are files with "security-sensitive" checked
# [08:35] <@bz> yes
# [08:35] <glandium> filed
# [08:35] <@bz> yes, they are
# [08:35] <glandium> that happens all the time
# [08:35] <@bz> not unexpected if they're randomly clicking shit
# [08:35] <philor> well, sure, if your nonexistent pin doesn't work when you insert your card in an imaginary ATM, that's s-s
# [08:36] <glandium> philor: they're not always about a nonexistent pin
# [08:36] <@bz> sure
# [08:36] <@bz> but the 8/13 set was
# [08:36] <@bz> I only noticed it because it was unusually large
# [08:36] <@bz> at least in terms of Core bugs filed
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# [08:37] <KWierso> it's fun watching the first product in the list alphabetically
# [08:38] <philor> given the rather large number of dupes to 651803 by bc, I don't think s-s is particularly new for them
# [08:39] <KWierso> philor: the more checkboxes you fill in your bug filing, the more points you win!
# [08:39] <philor> given the rather small number that are visited-color, I never was as good about dealing with them as I would have thought
# [08:40] <glob> if anyone's interested, bug 794792 has a lot of discussion about this
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# [08:40] <edwin> Surely the first product in the list should be "Uncategorized"
# [08:40] <glob> "core" isn't the first product in the list
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# [08:41] <philor> I sort of miss the dupes of bug 237224, at least they were an attempt at actual bug reports, pointless as they were
# [08:41] <glob> .. it is if you have editbugs, but not-editbugs users have firefox first
# [08:41] <jesup> Core is first on the Enter New Bug page
# [08:42] <glob> jesup, nope
# [08:42] <@bz> Ah, we did consider an ip block
# [08:42] <@bz> I was wondering. ;)
# [08:42] <glob> bz, bug 904647
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# [08:42] <jesup> glob: it is for me.... Core, Firefox, firefox os, etc
# [08:43] <glob> jesup, because you have editbugs rights..
# [08:43] <glob> most users get the guided bug entry form instead of the normal one - https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/enter_bug.cgi?format=guided
# [08:43] <@bz> glob: indeed, thanks
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# [08:43] <jesup> aha. Wasn't reading carefully
# [08:43] <glob> jesup, :) it's late
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# [08:45] <@bz> wow
# [08:45] <@bz> yeah, ok, so I was just not seeing the entirety of past batches
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# [08:46] <glob> bz, i managed to block telefonica :|
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# [08:47] <@bz> glob: I saw
# [08:47] <@bz> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=794792#c42
# [08:47] <@bz> Is that worth spinning into a separate bug?
# [08:47] <glandium> glob: ah, s-s is the only checkbox on that form
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# [08:48] <+efaust> bz: ever? ;)
# [08:48] <@bz> no, for this stuff I'm debugging
# [08:48] <+efaust> oh, good, there are ops around
# [08:48] <@bz> DesktopNotification.h"
# [08:49] <+efaust> can someone take this silly voice off?
# [08:49] <glob> bz, perhaps .. i don't like the idea of automatically revoking just for filing a bug with the same subject
# [08:49] <@bz> Is in fact included in Navigator.cpp
# [08:49] <glob> bz, and these bugs are manually entered, so there's a lot of _similar_ but not identical summaries
# [08:49] <@bz> glob: right
# [08:49] <@bz> glob: can we throttle bugs with similar ip ranges from new users?
# [08:50] <@bz> glob: I guess NAT would be a problem
# [08:50] <glob> bz, NAT, and transparent proxies
# [08:50] <glob> bz, which are very common outside of the US
# [08:50] <@bz> DesktopNotification.h is included in only two places
# [08:51] <@bz> one is Navigator, and the other is DesktopNotification.cpp
# [08:51] <@bz> hmm
# [08:51] <glandium> bz: PCOMContentPermissionRequestChild.h doesn't include a windows header in any obvious way. Do ipdl generated headers do?
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# [08:52] <@bz> not sure yet
# [08:52] <@bz> So
# [08:52] <@bz> adding windef.h to Navigator.cpp does not seem to help
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# [08:52] <glandium> bz: yeah, just saw that
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# [08:52] <glob> bz, but i'm sure we could do _something_ better.. i'll table the issue in a few meetings
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# [08:53] <@bz> The nsNotifyAddrListener.cpp include of wingdi.h is the only include of that file I see in our code
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# [08:53] <@bz> so some other Windows header is including it. :(
# [08:53] <glandium> bz: probably
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# [08:54] <@bz> I mean, I can do the silly thing
# [08:54] <@bz> and include PCOMContentPermissionRequestChild.h in Navigator.cpp
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# [08:54] <@bz> right around DesktopNotification...
# [08:55] <@bz> Seems wrong
# [08:55] <@bz> I assume ifdef XP_WIN is a reasonable thing to test?
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# [08:55] <glandium> bz: it should be
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# [08:56] <+efaust> /n
# [08:56] <glandium> bz: what you can do is modify cl.py to output the showIncludes output if the output file is Navigator.obj, and compare that output between a build that fails and one that works
# [08:57] <@bz> I really wish msvc gave the full include chain like clang does...
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# [08:57] <glandium> bz: it would also be useful to be able to get a copy of the objdir or parts of it from try builds
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# [08:58] <@bz> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/build/cl.py#71
# [08:58] <@bz> here, right?
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# [08:59] <@bz> and "target" should be Navigator.obj ?
# [08:59] <glandium> bz: yep
# [09:00] <@bz> @@ -79,2 +79,4 @@ def InvokeClWithDependencyGeneration(cmd
# [09:00] <@bz> rule.add_dependencies([normcase(dep)])
# [09:00] <@bz> + if target == "Navigator.obj":
# [09:00] <@bz> + sys.stdout.write(line)
# [09:00] <@bz> else:
# [09:00] <@bz> Like so?
# [09:01] <glandium> bz: yes
# [09:01] * @bz pushes some more try bits
# [09:01] <@bz> glandium: Thank you.
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# [09:02] <glandium> bz: you can probably subvert the build system to get to the error faster, too
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# [09:02] <@bz> glandium: already pushed, but how? ;)
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# [09:02] <@bz> I can also sleep and look in the morning
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# [09:03] <glandium> bz: make the default rule in the top-level Makefile.in do make export ; make -C js/src export ; and make -C dom/base Navigator.obj
# [09:03] <glandium> bz: or you can sleep, that works, too
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# [09:25] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/b9e4777416d8 - Mark Banner - Bug 909870 nsIContentViewerFile::printWithParent is unused. r=bz
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# [09:59] <gaston> is NPOTB in the commit msg enough or one should also use DONTBUILD ?
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# [10:05] <gaston> when in doubt, use both...
# [10:06] <+efaust> gaston: don't quote me on it, but I think it's actually the reverse
# [10:06] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/9b68f15672e3 - Landry Breuil - Bug 804792 - Enable WebRTC by default on BSD. DONTBUILD because NPOTB. r=jesup
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# [10:35] <ttaubert> does anyone know why we have nsIHistoryEntry *and* nsISHEntry?
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# [10:45] <edmorley> Standard8: not so unused as thought, or just needs clobber? https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=27105071&tree=Mozilla-Inbound
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# [10:47] <Standard8> edmorley: needs clobber
# [10:48] <Standard8> http://mxr.mozilla.org/comm-central/search?string=PrintWithParent doesn't show up anything else
# [10:49] <Standard8> yeah, I've no idea why that rebuild right
# [10:49] <Standard8> other platforms are fine
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# [10:50] <edmorley> Standard8: could you land a modification to the CLOBBER file please? I'll file a bug for fixing dependencies etc
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# [10:51] <Standard8> edmorley: heh, the clobber file says "Bug 899210 - xpidl header generation is somehow busted so we need to clobber on windows"
# [10:51] <glob> NeilAway, oh, sorry about that :( there's quite a few IP addresses in that bug
# [10:51] <NeilAway> glob: presuambly you mean "any staff" ?
# [10:51] <Gijs> ttaubert: I don't *know*, but I suspect that either there are cases where there's an nsIHistoryEntry but no nsISHEntry (which seems to have more stuff), and/or it's to do with how sometimes we put things in new interfaces because we didn't want to touch the old ones for binary compat reasons
# [10:51] <Gijs> ttaubert: see e.g. http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/modules/libpref/public/nsIPrefBranch2.idl
# [10:52] <ttaubert> Gijs: yeah I thought that too but I don't see anything where we create nsIHistoryEntries
# [10:52] <ttaubert> we seem to only create nsISHEntries?
# [10:52] <Archaeopteryx> is it still or yet edmorley o'clock?
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# [10:52] <edmorley> Standard8: ah bug 908977 isn't fixed yet, I saw those landings in that bug and thought it was
# [10:52] <glob> NeilAway, yes :( sorry again, i wasn't being exclusionary on purpose
# [10:52] <edmorley> but they're backouts to make it not so bad
# [10:52] <ttaubert> Gijs: so I get that this is great for bc but is seems like this coud really be cleaned up
# [10:52] <edmorley> Archaeopteryx: ?
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# [10:53] <Archaeopteryx> ah sorry, thought about ryanvm. sorry
# [10:53] <Standard8> edmorley|sheriff: done
# [10:53] <Standard8> bbl
# [10:53] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/6afb1f453688 - Mark Banner - Bug 909870 follow up - xpidl header generation is somehow busted so we need to clobber on windows.
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# [10:54] <edmorley|sheriff> Archaeopteryx: I'm gmt +1, ryanvm is edt (and tomcat is an hour behind me but on PTO and Kwierso normally PDT but at work week this week)
# [10:55] <Gijs> ttaubert: yup
# [10:55] <Archaeopteryx> ed: thanks
# [10:55] <NeilAway> glob: maybe bugzilla should make it more obvious that the bug is restricted ;-)
# [10:55] <ttaubert> Gijs: I'll file a bug with a patch ;)
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# [10:55] <Gijs> ttaubert: probably want to check with some places-familiar folks if necessary...
# [10:55] * Gijs is hardly an authority on this code :s
# [10:56] <ttaubert> Gijs: my friend MXR tells me it isn't really used that widely anymore
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# [10:56] <Gijs> ttaubert: we probably can't remove the interface though :(
# [10:56] <Gijs> (whichever of the two we decide to get rid of)
# [10:56] <ttaubert> Gijs: why not? because we break a shitload of stuff?
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# [10:56] <Gijs> ttaubert: well, witness nsIPrefBranch2 still being there
# [10:57] <ttaubert> right...
# [10:57] <Ms2ger> Like nsIDOMInternal?
# [10:57] <Ms2ger> +Window
# [10:57] <Gijs> then again, I don't know if we've since changed our approach to such things
# [10:57] <+Unfocused> like seamonkey?
# [10:57] <+Unfocused> </zing>
# [10:57] <Gijs> your superreviewer should be able to tell you :)
# [10:57] <ttaubert> I guess so :)
# [10:57] <ttaubert> Unfocused: zinggg
# [10:57] <ttaubert> :)
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# [10:58] <Ms2ger> Poor seamonkey
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# [11:03] <hsivonen> annevk: whoa. we have hy-AM defaulting to armscii-8
# [11:03] <hsivonen> how have I not noticed that before?
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# [11:04] <Ms2ger> Hmm
# [11:05] <annevk> hsivonen: I don't know what either of those terms means :/
# [11:05] * Ms2ger still has a patch to remove support for armscii-8
# [11:05] <annevk> Although I suspect the latter is an encoding
# [11:05] <Ms2ger> Yep
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# [11:05] <Ms2ger> Armenian?
# [11:05] <Ms2ger> Yep
# [11:05] <hsivonen> annevk: what Ms2ger said
# [11:05] <annevk> Oh, and hy-AM is their locale...
# [11:05] <annevk> Wow
# [11:06] <hsivonen> we should ask armenzg what lead to this decision
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# [11:09] <annevk> Feel free to cc me, if you want me to file a bug, I can do that too, but later
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# [11:11] <hsivonen> oh. great. our telemetry data shows various Valencian locales that we don't ship and that have non-standard codes
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# [11:13] <hsivonen> annevk: From the department of unsurprising news: the locales where the users use the encoding menu the most are locales that default to UTF-8
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# [11:14] <Ms2ger> Ha
# [11:14] <hsivonen> activist localizers :-(
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# [11:14] <annevk> Have we filed the bug yet about getting localizers out of the business of deciding this?
# [11:15] <hsivonen> I don't remember
# [11:15] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/40db75af375f - Jon Coppeard - Bug 909738 - Don't initialize Rooted<> members of ScopeIter with invalid pointers r=billm
# [11:15] <annevk> We need a policy that requires changes to that to be r=hsivonen
# [11:15] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/df8b1e56e1a6 - Jon Coppeard - Bug 908696 - GenerationalGC: Disable post barrier verification when disabling GGC r=terrence
# [11:15] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/c7dc1afc3c4c - Jon Coppeard - Bug 908709 - Don't reuse hash when inserting into newTypeObjects set if a GC has occured r=terrence
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# [11:21] <hsivonen> annevk, Ms2ger: wanna guess which UTF-8-defaulting locale tops the list of charset override usage?
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# [11:22] <annevk> hsivonen: does Japan use it?
# [11:22] <Ms2ger> I doubt it
# [11:22] <Ms2ger> They all hate Unicode there, aiui
# [11:22] <annevk> Ms2ger: that's a 2005 story
# [11:22] <hsivonen> annevk: Japanese defaults to Shift_JIS
# [11:23] <hsivonen> annevk: the one at the top of the list is Esperanto
# [11:23] <annevk> hsivonen: oh god
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# [11:23] <Ms2ger> That made me literally lol
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# [11:25] <nicklebedev> Hi guys, what is the channel where all metro devs live?
# [11:25] <nicklebedev> metrofx?
# [11:26] <KWierso> nicklebedev: #windev
# [11:26] <nicklebedev> thx
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# [11:32] <Ms2ger> heycam|away|away!
# [11:32] <philip1> good morning
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# [11:34] <Ms2ger> Or maybe annevk knows
# [11:35] <Ms2ger> Has WebIDL changed about undefined and optional arguments?
# [11:35] <annevk> Ms2ger: I think it has recently, no? or it's at least in the works
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# [11:36] <Ms2ger> I remember talk about changing it, but I don't see it in the overload resolution algorithm
# [11:36] <Ms2ger> Er, wait
# [11:37] <Ms2ger> Hrm
# [11:37] <Ms2ger> This new algorithm is even more headache-inducing than the last
# [11:37] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/9cc68dacc74c - Nicholas Nethercote - Bug 909623 (part 5) - Remove |#include "jsapi.h"| from jsfriendapi.h. r=luke.
# [11:37] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/c05d093c8024 - Nicholas Nethercote - Bug 909623 (part 1) - Move JS_TraceDataOp from jsapi.h to jspubtd.h. r=luke.
# [11:37] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/3f686383d807 - Nicholas Nethercote - Bug 909623 (part 4) - Create js/CallNonGenericMethod.h and vm/CallNonGenericMethod.cpp. r=luke.
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# [11:37] <annevk> Ms2ger: there's http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2006/webapi/WebIDL/Overview.html.diff?r1=1.624;r2=1.625;f=h
# [11:37] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/597530d998cc - Nicholas Nethercote - Bug 909623 (part 3) - Move ArrayBufferBuilder from jsfriendapi.{h,cpp} to nsXMLHttpRequest.{h,cpp}. r=luke,bz.
# [11:37] <hsivonen> annevk, Ms2ger: https://bug906032.bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=796536
# [11:37] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/df669fe7875b - Nicholas Nethercote - Bug 909623 (part 2) - Move GetObjectProto() from jsfriendapi.h to jsfriendapi.cpp. r=luke,bz.
# [11:38] <Ms2ger> hsivonen, "(broken value)"?
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# [11:39] <Ms2ger> (ja-JP-osaka? ca-valencia?)
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# [11:39] <hsivonen> Ms2ger: I need to file bugs on those broken value cases
# [11:39] <hsivonen> Ms2ger: I don't know where that osaka and valencia stuff comes from
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# [11:43] <jez> If I apply display:flex to a toolbaritem, its child image element is centred within it instead of stretched to fit. Is there a way to do this when display:-mox-box? It seems that this happens with the activity indicator, although I can't see why.
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# [11:44] <MihaiMorar> does anyone know which is the preference from about config that if you set false you are not able to install any extension ?
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# [11:44] <Mossop> jez: With display:-moz-box and assuming orient="horizontal" (I thinkthe default for toolbaritem) then align="center" should center it horizontally
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# [11:46] <+daleharvey> How do I get access to 910131? file a bug?
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# [11:49] <jez> Mossop: align="center", or some css align:center or something?
# [11:49] <Mossop> jez: The first, or -moz-box-align: center IIRC
# [11:49] <MihaiMorar-lunch> daleharvey: ask for access to someone who has privileges on security bugs
# [11:50] <jez> aha -moz-box-align:center works well thanks
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# [11:51] <jez> although curiously, firefox's #navigator-throbber has -moz-box-align:stretch
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# [11:51] <jez> yet the child image is still centred
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# [12:24] <nicklebedev> Hi guys, could someone help me with FF for metro: i've just tried to build and run firefox for metro
# [12:24] <nicklebedev> but got failure during the launch on the line http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/gfx/layers/ThebesLayerBuffer.cpp#677
# [12:24] <nicklebedev> did someone experienced the same problem?
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# [12:26] <nrc> nicklebedev: how old is your source? I fixed a bug like this last week, so you might just need to update
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# [12:30] <nicklebedev> nrc: a few weeks old
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# [12:31] <nrc> nicklebedev: so, probably just need to pull again and rebuild then
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# [12:35] <nicklebedev> ok, i'll try it
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# [12:36] <nicklebedev> nrc: could you drop revision number or bug number?
# [12:36] <nicklebedev> nrc: so I could take a look at changes made?
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# [12:40] <nrc> nicklebedev: sorry, I don't know off the top of my head, and I'm just about to go to sleep, sorry
# [12:40] <NeilAway> MihaiMorar-lunch: xpinstall.enabled ?
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# [12:52] <MihaiMorar> NeilAway: there is no pref called xpinstall.enabled in about config :(
# [12:54] <annevk> hsivonen: way to go
# [12:54] <annevk> hsivonen: so, how do we get this system to change and at least require r=hsivonen? post to dev.platform?
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# [12:55] <annevk> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=910169 seems especially weird, not even a valid value...
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# [12:56] <annevk> Are there any other changes with technical impact that localizations can make?
# [12:56] <annevk> They probably deserve similar scrutiny
# [12:56] <hsivonen> annevk: I tried that already. requiring r=hsivonen didn't fly.
# [12:56] <annevk> hsivonen: pointer?
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# [12:58] <NeilAway> MihaiMorar: intersting... you must have to create it yourself.
# [12:58] <hsivonen> annevk: https://groups.google.com/d/msg/mozilla.dev.platform/W2_htN47Hpo/WAfu8diqp74J
# [12:58] <NeilAway> *interesting
# [13:00] <annevk> hsivonen: there Axel says to deduce settings from accept-lang
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# [13:00] <annevk> hsivonen: which means the parser would be in control of encodings
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# [13:01] <annevk> hsivonen: maybe we should implement that? have the parser accept a locale and have the mapping there locally
# [13:01] <MihaiMorar> NeilAway: ok. Thanks!
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# [13:04] <annevk> hsivonen: I'll reply to dev.platform with that
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# [13:10] <annevk> hsivonen: posted via groups.google.com since I didn't have the thread in my inbox yet, hope that works
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# [13:12] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/43cb81ce502b - Jan de Mooij - Bug 908625 - Fix IonBuilder crash with try-catch compilation enabled. r=bhackett
# [13:12] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/e473c952d233 - Jan de Mooij - Bug 909389 - Enable IonMonkey try-catch compilation by default. r=djvj
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# [13:17] <annevk> seems to have arrived
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# [13:20] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/38dde25713db - Marco Castelluccio - Bug 836547 - Remove obsolete AITC integration in Webapps.jsm. r=fabrice
# [13:20] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/1cc435abcc52 - Marco Castelluccio - Bug 836547 - Remove apps sync engine. r=fabrice
# [13:20] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/44e615a66f3f - Ed Morley - Merge latest green fx-team changeset and mozilla-central
# [13:21] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/a66944eae65b - Marco Castelluccio - Bug 909465 - createAppProfile is the same between platforms. r=tabraldes
# [13:21] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/f9ada8ad0d4f - Dennis - Bug 845747 - Add the pref "ui.scrolling.negate_wheel_scrollY" to mobile.js so that "scrollY" can be negated in JavaPanZoomController.java to allow a mouse scroll wheel to scroll the screen
# [13:21] <firebot> in the direction of choice depending on the true/false state of "mNegateWheelScrollY". r=kats
# [13:21] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/cbe79a948a4d - Felipe Gomes - Bug 897060 - Follow up, add missing license headers. r=me DONTBUILD
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# [13:23] <edmorley|sheriff> can someone hg pull -u mozilla-central/inbound and check they're not getting errors?
# [13:23] <edmorley|sheriff> I have two clones now saying abort: data/mobile/android/base/gfx/JavaPanZoomController.java.i@06134724bac0: no match found!
# [13:23] <edmorley|sheriff> yey
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# [13:25] <gaston> edmorley|sheriff: worked here with m-i
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# [13:25] <edmorley|sheriff> hmm I think it might have originated from m-c for me locally, I'm just wondering if that's ended up on hg.m.o given I've just pushed to m-c
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# [13:26] <jez> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/browser/base/content/browser.js#3749
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# [13:26] <jez> How does this work with the "Turn the throbber on" code inside that block?
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# [13:27] <jez> If a tab is active, and you switch away from it and back to it, I thought you didn't get the STATE_IS_NETWORK flag? and yet the activity throbber is re-activated if there is activity
# [13:27] <jez> that code looks like it should only animate the activity throbber if a network request has been initiated, but not when switching back into a tab that already has network activity
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# [13:32] <edmorley|sheriff> is there anyone with a m-c clone that can hg pull -u for me please
# [13:32] <edmorley|sheriff> m-c might be corrupted and need recovering...
# [13:32] <hsivonen> annevk: Do you have a test page that makes it easy to test if a given browser supports a given encoding label?
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# [13:33] <Standard8> edmorley|sheriff: trying
# [13:33] <edmorley|sheriff> ty
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# [13:33] <Standard8> edmorley|sheriff: added 93 changesets with 390 changes to 253 files
# [13:33] <Standard8> 252 files updated, 0 files merged, 5 files removed, 0 files unresolved
# [13:33] <edmorley|sheriff> hmm weird
# [13:33] <Standard8> got something applied or a diff?
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# [13:34] <edmorley|sheriff> Standard8: no, had just merged backl from m-c to my local clones of inbound and b2g-inbound, and both are now in the same unrecoverable state
# [13:34] <edmorley|sheriff> eg 1 integrity errors encountered! (first damaged changeset appears to be 144663)
# [13:35] <edmorley|sheriff> which maps to https://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/f9ada8ad0d4f
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# [13:42] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/c1360fef1380 - Brian O'Keefe - Bug 875934 - Forbid LIBRARY_NAME in Makefile.ins; r=mshal
# [13:42] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/52e322d09476 - Brian O'Keefe - Bug 875934 - Move LIBRARY_NAME to moz.build, batch 3; r=mshal
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# [14:01] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/86c7b240f660 - Adam Dane [:hobophobe] - Bug 907575 - mResniffMimeType not properly reset. r=seth
# [14:01] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/1f8917c1e692 - Sahil Chelaramani - Bug 906177 - Make bootstrap compatible with Elementary OS. r=gps
# [14:01] <@ted> edmorley|sheriff: you can probably recover them, FWIW
# [14:01] <@ted> worst case you strip everything from the first damaged changeset
# [14:01] <edmorley|sheriff> ted: strip faqils
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# [14:01] <edmorley|sheriff> fails
# [14:02] <@ted> rather, you might have to *clone* to a new repo up to the parent of that changeset
# [14:02] <@ted> hg clone -r whatever broken-repo new-repo
# [14:02] <edmorley|sheriff> ted: I've generally found in the past it's normally quicker just to reclone
# [14:02] <edmorley|sheriff> yeah
# [14:02] <@ted> edmorley|sheriff: but you can just re-clone locally
# [14:02] <@ted> not from upstream
# [14:02] <@ted> just don't clone the broken changesets
# [14:03] <Ms2ger> Hrm, my push might need a clobber
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# [14:21] <annevk> hsivonen: http://dump.testsuite.org/encoding/label-test.html
# [14:23] <Ms2ger> Yaaay, b2g bustage
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# [14:30] <hsivonen> annevk: thanks
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# [14:34] <bogdan_maris> Hello, can someone tell me what Larry Panel may refer to?
# [14:35] <Ms2ger> That's the panel that pops up when you click the lock icon in the address bar, I think
# [14:35] <mfinkle> yep, that's the one
# [14:35] <Ms2ger> Or the globe on non-ssl pages
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# [14:36] <bogdan_maris> O.o so it`s actually the identity panel
# [14:36] <bogdan_maris> Thanks :)
# [14:36] <Ms2ger> Is that what it's called now?
# [14:37] <bogdan_maris> I think yes, it`s a feature for Firefox 25 right now and the name of the feature is "Larry Panel". I had no idea what that was
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# [14:42] <gaston> larry as in 'larry the officer' on the icon ? :)
# [14:43] <Gijs> Uhm, anyone else seeing python threading errors when using ./mach build ?
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# [14:43] <Gijs> KeyError: u'precompile' in python/mozbuild/mozbuild/controller/building.py
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# [14:45] <Gijs> bug 909412, apparently...
# [14:48] <bogdan_maris> gaston :) Only larry knows
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# [14:49] <Gijs> gaston: yes.
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# [14:49] <gaston> that was a wild guess :)
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# [14:51] <Gijs> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=larry
# [14:51] <Gijs> http://www.google.nl/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=5&cad=rja&ved=0CDYQFjAE&url=http%3A%2F%2Fnews.cnet.com%2F8301-10789_3-9970606-57.html&ei=BvMdUrz8MIut7Qbe24CYDA&usg=AFQjCNFaIKN5XMSibQWpmq3MINqBCiaIJA
# [14:51] <Gijs> argh
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# [14:51] <Gijs> http://news.cnet.com/8301-10789_3-9970606-57.html
# [14:52] <Gijs> So yes, Larry the passport officer.
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# [14:53] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/43715522b625 - Ryan VanderMeulen - Bug 890795 and bug 695019 - Disable test_focus_autocomplete.xul on Linux and Windows due to frequent failures. r=tbsaunde, a=test-only
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# [14:54] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/c31331124ec6 - Ed Morley - Bug 851861 - Disable testOverscroll, testPanCorrectness, testAxisLocking, testLoad & testFlingCorrectness for intermittent failures. a=test-only
# [14:54] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/8490a48fc51d - Ryan VanderMeulen - Bug 775924 - Disable test_dbgsocket.js on OSX due to intermittent failures. a=test-only
# [14:54] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/c2ff0ee58628 - Marco Castelluccio - Bug 854975 - Add fuzz to tests to fix intermittent failures. r=fabrice, a=test-only
# [14:54] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/3d27b40032a7 - Avi Halachmi - Bug 858737 - Check monotonic arg of requestAnimationFrame instead of the prefixed version. r=roc, a=test-only
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# [15:04] <hsivonen> annevk: It would be cool if the addition of TLD-based encoding guessing would lower the need to use the character encoding menu to such levels that we could get rid of the menu.
# [15:04] <yzen> Yoric: i was wondering if you know of the example of how to describe a callback argument for this sqlite function for example: http://www.sqlite.org/c3ref/exec.html
# [15:05] <annevk> hsivonen: yeah, that's an interesting proposition
# [15:05] <yzen> Yoric: and on the related thought, are there any specific sqlite functions that i should be adding bindings for ?
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# [15:06] <Yoric> yzen: I would prefer if we used the synchronous API rather than the callback-based one. This should produce a more natural API.
# [15:06] <Yoric> As for calling back from C to JS, it is possible, I have tried at least once, I just don't remember how it works.
# [15:07] <yzen> Yoric: did you have to specify ctypes.FunctionType?
# [15:07] <Yoric> I believe so, yes.
# [15:07] <Yoric> For testing purposes, just having the ability to write something to the database and read it back would be great.
# [15:07] <Yoric> Once we have this, we can proceed to thinking about an API.
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# [15:08] <yzen> Yoric: ok so as far as i understand, the exec is a convenience wrapper around some of sqlite operations, what you are saying is that i should rather add bindings to those operations instead, right ?
# [15:08] <Yoric> Yes, I would find this less scary :)
# [15:09] <yzen> Yoric: ok :), ill have something for you to take a look at tomorrow :)
# [15:09] <yzen> thanks
# [15:09] <Yoric> Thank you
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# [15:38] <@bz> Anyone here familiar with Windows headers and have a sec to help me figure out what's going on?
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# [15:40] <NeilAway> bz: hmm, I tried applying your patches, but forgot to check to see how far my build had got
# [15:41] <NeilAway> bz: omg, tons of error messages
# [15:41] <@bz> so
# [15:41] <@bz> I have some try stuff
# [15:41] <@bz> NeilAway: a log for a working build: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=27106684&tree=Try&full=1
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# [15:42] <@bz> NeilAway: and a log for a failing build: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=27105135&tree=Try&full=1
# [15:42] <@bz> NeilAway: with both dumping out the headers Navigator.cpp includes
# [15:42] <RyanVM> bz: after all that last night?!?!
# [15:43] <@bz> RyanVM: hmm?
# [15:43] <RyanVM> Ms2ger: serious question - is there any work being done upstream to make the DOM tests less OOM-happy?
# [15:43] <RyanVM> bz: saw your backouts
# [15:43] <@bz> RyanVM: ah
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# [15:43] <@bz> RyanVM: Well, so, the stuff I backed out had been green on try
# [15:43] <@bz> RyanVM: until someone changed some more headers somewhere right before I pushed....
# [15:43] <RyanVM> doh
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# [15:43] <Ms2ger> RyanVM, yes, there's a PR that Aryeh was going to work on, but then he went back to school
# [15:44] <@bz> RyanVM: want the try link that was green? :(
# [15:44] <@bz> anyway
# [15:44] <@bz> So in both cases we're including windows.h
# [15:44] <RyanVM> bz: I believe you :)
# [15:44] <@bz> via IPC headers
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# [15:44] <NeilAway> bz: ok, so the preprocessed file has typedef struct tagBITMAP { ... } BITMAP, *PBITMAP, near *NPBITMAP, *LPBITMAP;
# [15:44] <RyanVM> Ms2ger: I am getting really sick of how often they break on Android and Windows
# [15:44] <NeilAway> bz: i.e. the "near" looks wrong
# [15:44] <RyanVM> i'm getting really close to skipping them on Android at least
# [15:45] <@bz> In the broken case it's via Hal.h including PHal.h
# [15:45] <Ms2ger> RyanVM, I'd probably be fine with disabling them on Win too
# [15:45] <@bz> NeilAway: in that NEAR should not expand to "near"?
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# [15:45] <yzen> Yoric: another quick question: can this http://www.sqlite.org/c3ref/stmt.html be expressed as a voidptr_t?
# [15:46] <@bz> So PHal.h includes IPCMessageUtils.h includes ipc\chromium\src\base/process_util.h includes windows.h
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# [15:46] <@bz> in the broken build
# [15:46] <Yoric> yzen: I'm almost sure that sqlite3 only takes stmt* or stmt**, so yes, making stmt* == voidptr_t should be good.
# [15:46] <Ms2ger> Yay, chromium
# [15:46] <RyanVM> Ms2ger: so yeah, basically dom\tests\mochitest\dom-level*
# [15:46] <yzen> Yoric: thanks
# [15:46] <Ms2ger> RyanVM, wait, those aren't mive
# [15:46] <Ms2ger> mine
# [15:47] <RyanVM> those are the ones that are constantly torching Android
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# [15:47] <RyanVM> and occasionally Win M2
# [15:47] <Ms2ger> Really?
# [15:47] <@bz> In the working build, it's DesktopNotification.h including PCOMContentPermissionRequestChild.h
# [15:47] <RyanVM> actually, sorry
# [15:47] <RyanVM> yours are torching windows (the imptests)
# [15:47] <RyanVM> the dom-level* are the ones that torch android
# [15:47] <@bz> Which includes PContentPermissionRequestChild.h which includes PContentPermissionRequest.h
# [15:47] <Ms2ger> bz, is one of those paths doing undefs?
# [15:48] <@bz> Which includes IPCMessageUtils.h
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# [15:48] <@bz> And then it's the same
# [15:48] <RyanVM> Ms2ger: for example - https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=27115769&tree=Mozilla-Inbound
# [15:48] <@bz> We have no "undef NEAR" in our source tree
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# [15:48] <RyanVM> Ms2ger: from the dump - 08-28 06:21:19.712 I/SUTAgentAndroid( 1500): PA:31440896, FREE: 4653056
# [15:48] <RyanVM> 08-28 06:21:19.802 I/GeckoDump( 1830): 1765 INFO TEST-PASS | /tests/dom/tests/mochitest/dom-level2-html/test_table33.html | Asize
# [15:48] <RyanVM> 08-28 06:21:19.812 I/GeckoDump( 1830): 1766 INFO TEST-PASS | /tests/dom/tests/mochitest/dom-level2-html/test_table33.html | Asize
# [15:48] <RyanVM> 08-28 06:21:19.812 I/GeckoDump( 1830): 1767 INFO TEST-PASS | /tests/dom/tests/mochitest/dom-level2-html/test_table33.html | alignLink
# [15:48] <RyanVM> 08-28 06:21:21.162 I/ActivityManager( 1020): Process com.android.launcher (pid 1231) has died.
# [15:48] <RyanVM> 08-28 06:21:21.312 I/WindowManager( 1020): WIN DEATH: Window{484bf708 com.android.launcher/com.android.launcher2.Launcher paused=false}
# [15:48] <Ms2ger> RyanVM, that seems somewhat surprising... Those are unbearably small rather than unbearably big
# [15:48] <RyanVM> 08-28 06:21:21.464 I/SUTAgentAndroid( 1500): 10033 1830 org.mozilla.fennec
# [15:48] <RyanVM> 08-28 06:21:21.652 I/GeckoDump( 1830): 1768 INFO TEST-END | /tests/dom/tests/mochitest/dom-level2-html/test_table33.html | finished in 6946ms
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# [15:48] <@bz> We have no #define NEAR in our source tree
# [15:49] <glandium> bz: that would be a "undef near"
# [15:49] <glandium> considering the error messages
# [15:49] <glandium> NEAR is expanded as near
# [15:49] <@bz> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/search?string=undef%20NEAR
# [15:49] <@bz> We do have some undef near
# [15:49] <@bz> but precious few of them...
# [15:49] <NeilAway> bz: hmm, interestingly minwindef.h does #define NEAR near
# [15:50] <@bz> ok
# [15:50] <@bz> Ah
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# [15:50] <glandium> NeilAway: windef.h does too
# [15:50] <@bz> Could this be dictionaryhelpers.h?
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# [15:50] <NeilAway> glandium: but then it does #define near
# [15:50] <glandium> NeilAway: windef.h does too
# [15:51] <NeilAway> glandium: not in vc11 it doesn't
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# [15:51] <@bz> yes!
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# [15:51] <@bz> It used to be that wingdi came in before DictionaryHelpers
# [15:51] <@bz> but now it comes in after
# [15:51] <glandium> NeilAway: in my sdk v7 it does
# [15:51] <@bz> and DictionaryHelpers.h undefs near
# [15:51] <glandium> undef near in a header
# [15:52] <glandium> haha
# [15:52] <@bz> smaug: why is that code doing that?
# [15:52] * @bz ponders just pushing with that bit removed....
# [15:52] <glandium> it's recent, too, my local tree doesn't have it
# [15:52] <NeilAway> glandium: yes, 7.1 does, but vc 11 doesn't
# [15:52] <glandium> ah dictionary_helper_gen.py
# [15:52] <@bz> yeah
# [15:52] <@bz> it's been there a while
# [15:52] <@bz> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=755836
# [15:53] <@bz> Looks like that event is gone
# [15:53] <@bz> (basically there was a class there with a member named "near")
# [15:53] <@bz> This is insane
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# [15:54] <RyanVM> lol, TB IRC doesn't do a good job of auto-reconnecting
# [15:54] <gaston> tentacles everywhere
# [15:54] <RyanVM> Ms2ger: did you say something after that dump I pasted?
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# [15:54] <Ms2ger> RyanVM, that seems somewhat surprising... Those are unbearably small rather than unbearably big
# [15:55] <@bz> ok
# [15:55] <RyanVM> edmorley|sheriff: any objections to me skipping the dom-level* tests on Android?
# [15:55] <@bz> but now nothing in there uses "near"
# [15:55] <@bz> So I propose to remove that undef
# [15:55] <@bz> Looks like smaug wasn't even involved, just khuey and dougt
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# [15:56] <@bz> I mean, my other option is to make sure that we always include windows.h before DictionaryHelpers.h
# [15:56] <@bz> but that seems daft-ish
# [15:56] <@smaug> bz: sorry, in a meeting
# [15:56] <edmorley|sheriff> RyanVM: wfm
# [15:56] <Ms2ger> RyanVM, I'm confused that that would OOM... Maybe we don't GC often enough between tests
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# [15:56] <edmorley|sheriff> RyanVM: bet you didn't guess I'd say that... ;-)
# [15:56] <NeilAway> why does pymake think my Makefile changed?
# [15:56] <RyanVM> edmorley|sheriff: SHOCKED
# [15:56] <edmorley|sheriff> :-)
# [15:56] <NeilAway> bz: Navigator.cpp compiles with that change
# [15:57] <RyanVM> edmorley|sheriff: should wipe out most of our random Android mochitest orange
# [15:57] <@bz> NeilAway: sweet
# [15:57] <@bz> NeilAway: now I need to make sure the rest of the tree does too
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# [15:57] <@bz> smaug: no problem
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# [15:57] <@bz> glandium: can I get r=you on this bit?
# [15:57] * @bz pushed it to try
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# [15:58] <@bz> NeilAway: but if you want to finish up your build and it's faster than try... ;)
# [15:58] <glandium> bz: removal of the undef near?
# [15:58] <@bz> @@ -97,4 +96,0 @@ def print_header_file(fd, conf):
# [15:58] <@bz> - # win32 namespace issues
# [15:58] <@bz> - fd.write("#undef near\n"
# [15:58] <@bz> - "\n\n")
# [15:58] <@bz> -
# [15:58] <@bz> Like so
# [15:58] <NeilAway> bz: how fast is try?
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# [15:58] <NeilAway> bz: I'm only using a VM, so it could be a couple of hours
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# [15:59] <glandium> bz: r+
# [15:59] <@bz> NeilAway: About 2 hours
# [15:59] <@bz> NeilAway: ok, don't worry about it
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# [16:00] <NeilAway> bz: yeah, also I have a patch touching nsLiteralString.h which no longer compiles :s
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# [16:01] <@bz> NeilAway: ok. Thank you for veryfying that Navigator.cpp builds!
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# [16:03] <RyanVM> Ms2ger: fwiw, seems like aurora/beta aren't nearly as bad
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# [16:03] <Ms2ger> RyanVM, sounds like a code issue to me
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# [16:03] <RyanVM> Ms2ger: probably, feel free to raise hell in the bug
# [16:04] * NeilAway wonders how it compiled before, or maybe that was a different tree
# [16:04] <RyanVM> edmorley|sheriff: pushing CLOSED TREE since it's android-only
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# [16:04] <Ms2ger> RyanVM, eh, it's android
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# [16:05] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/c63127641db7 - Ryan VanderMeulen - Bug 910229 - Disable dom-level* mochitests on Android due to frequent OOM crashes.
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# [16:06] <KWierso> edmorley|sheriff: so ~20-30 minutes until we know if the retriggers still fail?
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# [16:13] <edmorley|sheriff> KWierso: would guess so
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# [16:21] <jez> when is dao usually around?
# [16:21] <RyanVM> jez: pacific time
# [16:22] <jez> when pacific time
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# [16:22] <Ms2ger> He's frontend, so getting up at noon? :)
# [16:22] <dao> jez: I'm here
# [16:22] <RyanVM> lol
# [16:22] <Ms2ger> Oh hi, dao!
# [16:22] <RyanVM> whoopsie
# [16:22] <jez> ah dao, I see you wrote a lot of the stuff in Firefox's browser.js
# [16:22] <Ms2ger> Aren't you in Germany?
# [16:22] <jez> I have a question about this section: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/browser/base/content/browser.js#3749
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# [16:23] <jez> you know if checks for aStateFlags & nsIWebProgressListener.STATE_IS_NETWORK
# [16:23] <dao> yes (jez) and yes (Ms2ger)
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# [16:23] <jez> well, how does that work with turning the throbber on and off? STATE_IS_NETWORK doesn't seem to be flagged when you're switching back to a tab that already has network activity, yet the throbber does get turned on?
# [16:24] <@ehsan> so, what's up with inbound?
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# [16:25] <KWierso> ehsan: eh?
# [16:25] <Ms2ger> ehsan, something rotten in some b2g repo
# [16:25] <@ehsan> CLOSED. More indecipherable B2G bustage pulled in from tip of gaia (bug 910199 and friends).
# [16:25] <@ehsan> :(
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# [16:25] <dao> jez: tabbrowser.xml calls onStateChange with STATE_IS_NETWORK when switching to a busy tab. http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/browser/base/content/tabbrowser.xml#1036
# [16:25] <edmorley|sheriff> ehsan: waiting for retiggers
# [16:25] <@bsmedberg> annevk: your "Zip archives as first-class citizens" doesn't mention the jar protocol prior art?
# [16:26] <@ehsan> edmorley|sheriff: thanks
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# [16:26] <jez> dao: does that code only apply to firefox and not SeaMonkey?
# [16:26] <annevk> bsmedberg: it mentions zip: which is pretty much the same
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# [16:26] <edmorley|sheriff> ehsan: believed to be fixed by https://github.com/mozilla-b2g/gaia/commit/581ecb6b097f899896919001605699ef0b56c4c3 but the root cause of the chaos is our god awful B2G build strategy
# [16:26] <annevk> bsmedberg: in discussion leading up to this nobody was very keen on that, hence not much elaboration
# [16:27] <annevk> bsmedberg: sub-schemes are hairy
# [16:27] <dao> jez: correct, tabbrowser.xml is Firefox-specific. I don't know if SeaMonkey's fork behaves the same way
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# [16:27] <@ehsan> edmorley|sheriff: what is the cause of the problem?
# [16:27] <Ms2ger> ehsan, we build tip of some repos
# [16:27] <jez> dao: so why not just check for STATE_START on its own?
# [16:27] <Ms2ger> ehsan, so any of those repos can break inbound builds
# [16:27] <edmorley|sheriff> ehsan: see dependents of the bug in the treestatus message
# [16:27] <Ms2ger> ehsan, with no trace of whatever broke it
# [16:28] <edmorley|sheriff> ehsan: but the primary one is what Ms2ger said
# [16:28] <@ehsan> wow
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# [16:28] <@ehsan> that is broken on so many levels :(
# [16:28] <Ms2ger> Well
# [16:28] <Ms2ger> Yes
# [16:28] <Ms2ger> But also
# [16:28] <Ms2ger> B2G
# [16:28] <dao> jez: did you check MDN for the documentation for these flags?
# [16:28] <RyanVM> and we supposedly build off fixed revisions of Gaia, except we actually dno't for some builds
# [16:28] <@ehsan> "B2G" should not be a _reason_ for brokenness!
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# [16:29] <jez> dao: yeah
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# [16:29] <@ehsan> RyanVM: I gather it depends on the phase of the moon, and the temperature on the sun-facing side of mercury?
# [16:29] <RyanVM> pretty much
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# [16:29] <edmorley|sheriff> ehsan: "but we need this feature yesterday" ...
# [16:29] <RyanVM> the whole setup is a joke from a sheriffing standpoint
# [16:29] <Ms2ger> ehsan, let's say prior art puts the bar for surprise somewhat higher when b2g is involved
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# [16:29] <RyanVM> at least prior to pushbot, you knew that everything was just "tip"
# [16:29] <RyanVM> now...who knows
# [16:30] <jez> dao: "Unlike STATE_IS_WINDOW, this flag is only set when activity within the nsIWebProgress instance being observed starts or stops."
# [16:30] <edmorley|sheriff> Ms2ger: lol
# [16:30] <dao> jez: then you already know more than I do, as it's been some time since I looked at that...
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# [16:30] <@ehsan> RyanVM: what's pushbot?
# [16:30] <RyanVM> ehsan: basically
# [16:30] <Ms2ger> ehsan, https://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/009c6cd62ad9
# [16:30] <jez> if you're switching to a new tab, it seems that IS_NETWORK shouldn't be flagged because you're switching between instances
# [16:30] <edmorley|sheriff> ehsan: a robot that updates gaia.json in mozilla-central, that sates a revision to pull from gaia
# [16:30] <edmorley|sheriff> states
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# [16:30] <Ms2ger> edmorley|sheriff, appreciated the understatement? :)
# [16:30] <RyanVM> so in theory we know what rev of Gaia we're using at any given time
# [16:31] <RyanVM> and we can track when a Gaia push breaks things
# [16:31] <RyanVM> except not all builds actually use gaia.json
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# [16:31] <RyanVM> hilarity ensues
# [16:31] <RyanVM> oh, and don't forget that we only build Windows desktop builds on a nightly basis
# [16:31] <RyanVM> so those have been busted for nearly a week now
# [16:32] <RyanVM> because the solution for hitting frequent build failures was "then just build them as nightlies"
# [16:32] <RyanVM> since clobbers don't hit the bustage
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# [16:32] <RyanVM> ooo, jgriffin arrives
# [16:32] <RyanVM> jgriffin: you're missing some quality b2g ranting!
# [16:33] <@bz> RyanVM: headdesk
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# [16:33] <jgriffin> oh dear
# [16:33] <@bz> RyanVM: re nightly
# [16:33] <Ms2ger> jgriffin, nothing you haven't heard, I think :)
# [16:33] <RyanVM> jgriffin: we <3 B2G's build system
# [16:33] <jgriffin> heh
# [16:33] <edmorley|sheriff> Ms2ger: and also the unusual tact from you ;-)
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# [16:34] <Ms2ger> edmorley|sheriff, teoli told me off earlier for lack of tact I showed months ago :)
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# [16:34] <edmorley|sheriff> Ms2ger: delayed reaction? :-)
# [16:34] <RyanVM> Ms2ger: saw your rant about the HSTS updates recently too
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# [16:34] <RyanVM> that went over well
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# [16:34] <Ms2ger> RyanVM, did it? I haven't looked at the bug
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# [16:34] <@bz> annevk: ping
# [16:35] <annevk> bz: hey
# [16:35] <@bz> annevk: Hey, so for the zip stuff, limi was trying to drive something like this a few years back
# [16:35] <annevk> bz: yeah I know
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# [16:35] <@bz> annevk: I don't recall what syntax was being suggested back then, but worth checking
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# [16:36] <teoli> Ms2ger: unfortunately for you edmorley|sheriff has no more desk in the office. :-) He can't hit me on your behalf :-)
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# [16:36] <edmorley|sheriff> lol
# [16:36] <froydnj> Ms2ger: where was your rant, ooc?
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# [16:37] <RyanVM> froydnj: bug 903762
# [16:37] <Ms2ger> froydnj, I'm not going to look for it, lest I read the replies
# [16:37] <annevk> bz: so he optimized for fallback, which made a bunch of things suck
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# [16:37] <annevk> bz: this is optimizing for making them part of the platform, with fallback being wait for browsers to update...
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# [16:38] <@bz> annevk: I don't quite understand your concerns with the subscheme
# [16:38] <@bz> annevk: specifically your worry about view-source:zip:http://www.example.org/zip!test.html
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# [16:38] <@ehsan> RyanVM: huh! so, is anybody working on fixing this?
# [16:38] <@bz> annevk: Care to explain, or should we just discuss this on the mailing list?
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# [16:38] <@ehsan> nightly builds do not really serve well for detecting bustage
# [16:39] <@bz> annevk: My take on it is that we know the zip: thing is sanely implementable, via existence proof
# [16:39] <RyanVM> ehsan: I think the Windows issues are actually getting close - Mossop's been working on it
# [16:39] <annevk> bz: to properly support zip: you'd need to expand the URL object with both sub-scheme and zip-path
# [16:39] <@bz> annevk: whereas the other has unknown unknowns
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# [16:39] <@bz> annevk: ok, sure
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# [16:39] <RyanVM> ehsan: as for the rest....
# [16:39] <annevk> bz: then to support view-source you need to make sub-scheme a list of sorts...
# [16:39] <annevk> bz: it just gets really icky model-wise I think
# [16:39] <@bz> annevk: so the way Gecko implements this is that we have a concept of "nested uri"
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# [16:39] <@bz> annevk: if a URI is nested you can ask for its inner URI
# [16:40] <annevk> bz: so that makes it more icky for origin-computation
# [16:40] <annevk> bz: because you first have to unwrap
# [16:40] <@bz> annevk: origin computation drills down, right
# [16:40] <annevk> bz: potentially several times
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# [16:40] <@bz> annevk: sure
# [16:40] <@bz> annevk: Are you worrying about origin computation in web pages or in UAs?
# [16:40] <@bz> annevk: because for UAs this is trivial imo
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# [16:40] <@bz> annevk: you just drill down
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# [16:41] <@bz> annevk: whereas for web pages the problem is knowing you have to do it, of course
# [16:41] <annevk> I'm worrying about fundamentally changing the model of URLs
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# [16:41] <@bz> annevk: You're doing that anyway
# [16:41] <@ehsan> RyanVM: heh, yeah I guess that's a no then!
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# [16:41] <@bz> annevk: http://example.com/foo%!bar/baz.html
# [16:41] <@bz> annevk: with a relative link to "x.html"
# [16:42] <@bz> annevk: lands at http://example.com/foo%!bar/x.html
# [16:42] <@bz> annevk: right?
# [16:42] <@bz> annevk: and .. can't go above the archive root
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# [16:42] * @bz is more worried about the processing model
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# [16:42] <@bz> the benefit of zip: is you know up front you have to do the zip weirdness
# [16:43] <RyanVM> ehsan: outside of "we should really do this", I'm not sure much has been done
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# [16:43] <@ehsan> I see
# [16:43] <annevk> bz: sure
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# [16:43] <RyanVM> ehsan: but I also don't know how current my facts are, so don't just take my word for it
# [16:43] <@bz> I guess %! might give you that
# [16:43] <annevk> bz: I guess I see nested URLs as a bigger change from the basic model
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# [16:43] <annevk> bz: so %! would create a zip-path, so if the base URL has a zip-path you know to resolve against that
# [16:44] <@ehsan> RyanVM: fair enough. thanks!
# [16:44] * @bz thinks
# [16:44] <@bz> annevk: How would you do the equivalent of zip:data:application/zip,data!file
# [16:45] <@bz> annevk: in the other model
# [16:45] <@bz> annevk: by redefining what %! in a data: URI does?
# [16:45] <@bz> annevk: or do UAs already not support that?
# [16:45] * KWierso wonders if 45 minutes of the retriggers not failing is enough for edmorley|sheriff or RyanVM...
# [16:45] <RyanVM> jgriffin: do you happen to know if any progress has been made getting b2g device image builds running on gaia.json?
# [16:45] <@bz> annevk: I guess it worries me more to redefine behavior of existing URIs
# [16:45] <jgriffin> I don't know, sorry
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# [16:45] <edmorley|sheriff> KWierso: not really
# [16:45] <@bz> annevk: than to introduce a new type of URIs...
# [16:45] <annevk> bz: so %! is technically always in error and IE throws for it in XHR
# [16:46] <RyanVM> jgriffin: that's cool, I just don't want to be spouting off if I'm off base :)
# [16:46] <edmorley|sheriff> KWierso: I thought you were busy at a work week?
# [16:46] <annevk> bz: I haven't tested it for data URLs admittedly
# [16:46] <@bz> annevk: ("new" if we ignore view-source)
# [16:46] <KWierso> edmorley|sheriff: I'm busy in a room of devtools people wanting to push to fx-team :P
# [16:46] <edmorley|sheriff> KWierso: if you're not, there are lots of sheriffing things that need to be done... ;-)
# [16:46] <Ms2ger> KWierso, I knew it! :)
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# [16:47] <@bz> annevk: Does %! cause an error in IE in queries?
# [16:47] <@bz> annevk: (see gphelmsley's post)
# [16:47] <edmorley|sheriff> KWierso: if you could get them all to complain in bug 910199 and/or bring it up with their managers, we might get some of the root causes prioritised :-)
# [16:47] <KWierso> dcamp: ^
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# [16:48] <@bz> annevk: so thinking about this a bit more...
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# [16:48] <@bz> annevk: the proposal is basically more or less that seeing a %! in the URL implies a zip: at the start in terms of processing model
# [16:48] <Ms2ger> edmorley|sheriff, should have put that in the treestatus :)
# [16:48] <@bz> annevk: right?
# [16:48] <annevk> bz: yeah, for query it's harder
# [16:48] <RyanVM> edmorley|sheriff: looks like the fix for code -20 is holding up at least :)
# [16:49] <edmorley|sheriff> RyanVM: yeah! :-)
# [16:49] <annevk> bz: if you want to phrase it that way, sure
# [16:49] <RyanVM> edmorley|sheriff: need to ping bajaj about that today
# [16:49] <RyanVM> edmorley|sheriff: i'm a bit nervous landing it on beta for tomorrow's build, but I'm afraid we won't get it approved next week
# [16:49] <@bz> annevk: so the main issues are how easy that is to implement and whether it adds incompatibilities with existing URIs
# [16:49] <@bz> annevk: I'm curious how other UAs do URI dispatch
# [16:50] <RyanVM> edmorley|sheriff: I'd love to get a few more days of baking - wondering if I can get aurora approval for now and beta on Monday if no issues crop up over the weekend
# [16:50] <@bz> annevk: because the zip: thing is way easier to do in Gecko than patching every single protocol handler, including all the ones extensions implement (!)
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# [16:50] <RyanVM> oh hey, lsblakk is on
# [16:50] <RyanVM> lsblakk: ping
# [16:50] <edmorley|sheriff> RyanVM: i'd say go for it sooner rather than later
# [16:50] <gaston> edmorley|sheriff: rhaaa, messed up again a bug # in a commit msg, sorry for that. see https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=804792#c1
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# [16:50] <gaston> edmorley|sheriff: was actually 807492
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# [16:50] <RyanVM> edmorley|sheriff: if push comes to shove, it's a low-risk fix
# [16:50] <annevk> bz: well, we should change the way we implement URLs...
# [16:50] <edmorley|sheriff> gaston: ok, ty
# [16:51] <RyanVM> and if policy is going to dictate landing sooner than later, so be it
# [16:51] <@bz> annevk: to what? ;)
# [16:51] <annevk> bz: http://url.spec.whatwg.org/
# [16:51] <@bz> annevk: that's not relevant to how you actually implement fetch
# [16:51] <@bz> annevk: in a pluggable architecture
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# [16:52] <annevk> it's relevant to how you parse URLs and build URL objects that are passed to fetch
# [16:52] <RyanVM> edmorley|sheriff: I'm at least hoping that the XP XHR failures are a test issue - I suspect some sort of timing problem
# [16:52] <RyanVM> at least then I can land that on 24 whenever
# [16:52] <annevk> the URL objects can still be used by a plugin
# [16:52] <@bz> sure
# [16:52] <@bz> annevk: no
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# [16:52] <annevk> it just doesn't give plugins raw access over parsing
# [16:52] <annevk> which is terrible
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# [16:53] <@bz> annevk: I mean how an extension in the new world would make sure its uris play nice with the zip setup
# [16:53] <annevk> making parsing plugin-dependent is bad architecture imo
# [16:53] <annevk> bz: oh
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# [16:53] <RyanVM> edmorley|sheriff: jgriffin: Oh boy, looks like I might have broken Gu
# [16:53] <annevk> bz: that depends I guess on how they want to act upon the URL object and at what level they plug
# [16:54] <jgriffin> how?
# [16:54] <@bz> annevk: say an extension wants to introduce a new protocol
# [16:54] <annevk> bz: either you get the HTTP model, where the browser deals with the zip-path, or they get full control I suppose
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# [16:54] <RyanVM> jgriffin: I'm assuming it was bug 909124
# [16:54] <@bz> annevk: (a common thing for them to do)
# [16:54] <RyanVM> jgriffin: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=27115553&tree=B2g-Inbound
# [16:54] <@bz> annevk: right now, they can just implement it and go
# [16:54] <@bz> annevk: and jar: layers on top
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# [16:54] <@bz> annevk: in a totally transparent way
# [16:54] <annevk> seems like this would be the same
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# [16:54] <RyanVM> edmorley|sheriff: assuming the retriggers fail, I'll back that out
# [16:55] <jgriffin> Error while initializing devtools: TypeError: RemoteDebugger is undefined
# [16:55] <annevk> the zip-path would not be part of the path
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# [16:55] <edmorley|sheriff> RyanVM: ta
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# [16:55] <jgriffin> looks like the remote debugger got broken on b2g desktop
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# [16:57] <MihaiMorar> any idea on which channel I can find Sid Stamm? :sstamm / geekboy
# [16:57] <RyanVM> jgriffin: agreed that bug 909124 is the likely culprit? https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=B2g-Inbound&rev=294fde226b78
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# [16:58] <jgriffin> seems more likely than the other, but I'm not positive
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# [16:58] <RyanVM> jgriffin: fair enough, thanks
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# [16:59] <RyanVM> ehsan: doesn't look like progress has been very forthcoming on fixing the b2g crashtests either
# [16:59] <+catlee> ehsan: how are the win64 tests coming along? any progress?
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# [17:00] <RyanVM> catlee: looks like we overloaded him
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# [17:00] <annevk> bz: I could try to think through the URL potentially being a sequence of URLs idea. I suppose that requires a specific URL object for zip:. And any other scheme that can appear "on the outside".
# [17:00] <RyanVM> ehsan: you can run, but you can't hide
# [17:00] <annevk> bz: And I can understand this is easier for Gecko, but it seems more complicated for most other tools dealing with URLs.
# [17:01] <@bz> annevk: sure
# [17:01] <annevk> (Although if most of those are string-based... Maybe not.)
# [17:01] <@ehsan> catlee: pretty much none
# [17:01] <@bz> annevk: fwiw, I sent mail; really interested in what other implementors think about it
# [17:01] <@ehsan> RyanVM: you mean the web audio crashtests?
# [17:01] <RyanVM> ehsan: yes
# [17:01] <@bz> annevk: most of the web is insane-o-string-based for lack of anything better so far
# [17:01] <@bz> annevk: for others... dunno
# [17:01] <@ehsan> RyanVM: iirc smaug and others were looking into that
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# [17:01] <annevk> bz: ah okay thanks. It seems there's massive delays since I didn't see the one from GPHemsley in my inbox, but did see a few others that are not on the list yet.
# [17:01] <RyanVM> ehsan: B2G C1 remains basically perma-fail
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# [17:01] <RyanVM> ehsan: JW Wang says he doesn't have time to look at it
# [17:02] <@ehsan> we even have a theory as to what might be happening, I think karlt is working on that
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# [17:07] <+catlee> ehsan: ok, so how about we stop syncing against inbound on date?
# [17:07] <@ehsan> catlee: what's the benefit of doing that?
# [17:07] <+catlee> ehsan: it's wasteful right now, and makes it hard to see what the current status is
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# [17:08] <+catlee> ehsan: is anybody actively fixing the tests?
# [17:08] <@ehsan> catlee: I can do that with a moderate amount of pain, but can you please check with vlad first?
# [17:08] <@ehsan> catlee: the test failures happen in lots of different areas
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# [17:10] <+catlee> ehsan: sure, but we need them all addressed in some way before enabling on other trees
# [17:10] <@ehsan> catlee: yeah I know that
# [17:10] <+catlee> and I'm counting on you guys to drive that
# [17:10] <@ehsan> catlee: s/you guys/vlad/ :)
# [17:10] <+catlee> sure :)
# [17:10] <@ehsan> I filed the bugs
# [17:11] <@ehsan> and in most cases people told me how uninterested they are in fixing them
# [17:11] <+catlee> awesome
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# [17:13] <NeilAway> bz: that reminds me of those insane-o-string-based feed URIs, at least those are now simple nested uris these days.
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# [17:14] <edmorley|sheriff> ehsan: I find that surprising... ;-)
# [17:14] <+catlee> edmorley|sheriff: yeah, it's shocking
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# [17:14] <RyanVM> ehsan: shocking
# [17:15] <RyanVM> we should start a club
# [17:15] <@ehsan> hehe
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# [17:17] <@bz> man
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# [17:17] <@bz> proxy codegen has so many whitespace issues. :(
# [17:17] <Ms2ger> Yessir?
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# [17:17] <@bz> return js_DefineOwnProperty(cx, unforgeableHolder, id, desc, &unused);
# [17:17] <Ms2ger> If that's its biggest issue :)
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# [17:20] <RyanVM> 294fde226b78
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# [17:25] <edmorley|sheriff> RyanVM: ta; done
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# [17:26] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/877660fcfde5 - Nicholas D. Matsakis - Bug 898347 - Generalize the newScript field on type objects into an "addendum" (Part 4/6) r=bhackett
# [17:26] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/847a9330f30c - Nicholas D. Matsakis - Bug 898347 - Allow addenda to be added to binary blocks (Part 6/6) r=bhackett
# [17:26] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/10f121af2f56 - Nicholas D. Matsakis - Bug 898347 - Re-enable binary data now that fuzzing is complete (Part 0/6) rs=trivial
# [17:26] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/cd15bcd90326 - Nicholas D. Matsakis - Bug 898347 - Convert binary data to use TypeRepresentation (Part 3/6) r=sfink
# [17:27] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/acc3e8dacecc - Nicholas D. Matsakis - Bug 898347 - Make typed array use type repr constants (Part 2/6) r=sfink
# [17:27] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/5602962dbb21 - Nicholas D. Matsakis - Bug 898347 - Allow TypeRepresentation objects to be attached to TI objects (Part 5/6) r=bhackett
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# [17:30] <@bsmedberg> RyanVM: can I WFM bug 874647 (winxp xpcshell hangs)?
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# [17:31] <RyanVM> bsmedberg: I will - was going to take care of the dependencies too
# [17:32] <RyanVM> likewise for child process nnnn
# [17:32] <@bsmedberg> thanks
# [17:32] <RyanVM> np!
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# [17:32] <RyanVM> bsmedberg: resolving the code -20 bugs will be fun too :D
# [17:32] <RyanVM> all 50-60 of them
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# [17:37] <+vlad> do packaged apps work on desktop firefox?
# [17:37] <gaston> webapps via webrt you mean ? if so, yes
# [17:37] <+vlad> yeah
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# [17:38] <+vlad> is there a URL with a sample manifest showing that working?
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# [17:38] <botond-laptop> jrmuizel, BenWa: would you like to vouch for me for L3 commit access? (bug 910268)
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# [17:40] <+BenWa> botond-laptop: certainly
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# [17:40] <botond-laptop> BenWa: thanks!
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# [17:42] * @bz wishes http://graphs.mozilla.org/graph.html#tests=[[205,63,8]]&sel=none&displayrange=7&datatype=running had pushlog links
# [17:42] <kats> Ms2ger: ping
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# [17:43] <@bz> but yeah, removing headers totally reduces libxul link memory
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# [17:43] <+vlad> bz: headers?
# [17:43] <@bz> vlad: yeah, including less stuff
# [17:43] <+vlad> hrm, are packaged apps supported by WebRT on the desktop?
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# [17:43] <@bz> vlad: e.g. some combination of bug 909639 and bug 909597 made it use about 4MB less RAM
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# [17:44] <+vlad> and I swear there was a webapp generator running somewhere
# [17:44] <+vlad> bz: huh, cool
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# [17:45] <botond-laptop> kats: are you a module peer? :)
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# [17:46] <kats> botond: not technically. but more vouchers can't hurt :)
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# [17:47] <botond-laptop> kats: for sure. thanks!
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# [17:47] <rhelmer> bz: pushlog links seems doable, I just linked to the most obvious thing at the time. can you file a bug on webtools::graphserver (especially if you have an example URL that should be linked to?)
# [17:48] <botond-laptop> kats: we should introduce an apzc module :)
# [17:48] <rhelmer> bz: I don't have official time for graphserver anymore but have been trying to keep things copacetic until datazilla is ready to take over for all tests
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# [17:48] <rhelmer> bz: coincidentally I am about to start working on pushlog, which doesn't help you, but amusing to me
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# [17:49] <kats> botond: yeah i was thinking about that, we probably should
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# [17:50] <@bz> rhelmer: filing, thanks
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# [17:53] <rhelmer> bz: np, sounds like an easy win
# [17:53] <@bz> rhelmer: filed https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=910282
# [17:53] <lsblakk> rhelmer: pong
# [17:53] <rhelmer> bz: thanks!
# [17:53] <lsblakk> oop, RyanVM pong
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# [17:53] <lsblakk> rhelmer: ignore that
# [17:53] <rhelmer> lsblakk: :)
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# [17:54] <reuben> vlad: http://robnyman.github.io/Firefox-OS-Boilerplate-App/
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# [17:54] <reuben> seems to work on OS X
# [17:55] <rhelmer> bz: hrm I think we already have this feature.. if you select multiple points and click the "Changesets" button, does that do what you want?
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# [17:55] <+vlad> reuben: neat, thanks
# [17:55] <+vlad> hrm, how do I uninstall an app D:
# [17:56] <RyanVM> lsblakk: just wanted to give you and bajaj a heads-up about the pending approval request on bug 902908 - it's a completely non-functional change but will make our life much easier for patch backports down the road
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# [17:56] <@bz> rhelmer: select multiple points how?
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# [17:56] <RyanVM> lsblakk: there will also be a couple more patches like it coming once that one lands
# [17:56] <reuben> vlad: on OS X you just delete the .app
# [17:56] <lsblakk> RyanVM: great, thanks
# [17:56] <RyanVM> lsblakk: but the story with them is that "if it builds, it's fine"
# [17:56] <RyanVM> it's just a mass-rename
# [17:56] <+vlad> reuben: yeah, on windows it's more than a bundle
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# [17:57] <@bz> rhelmer: oh, I see, just with a rectangle?
# [17:57] <rhelmer> bz: right
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# [17:57] <reuben> felipe: ^
# [17:57] <@bz> rhelmer: no
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# [17:57] <@bz> rhelmer: it shows me the changesets in the relevant push
# [17:57] <@bz> rhelmer: or pushes
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# [17:58] <@bz> rhelmer: so say someone does a push with changesets A, B, C
# [17:58] <@bz> rhelmer: then there is a second push with changesets D, E
# [17:58] <@bz> rhelmer: then a third push with changesets F, G
# [17:58] <@bz> rhelmer: and we run the test on the first and third changesets
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# [17:59] <@bz> rhelmer: there will be a point on the graph for changeset C
# [17:59] <@bz> rhelmmer: and another for changeset G
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# [17:59] <reuben> vlad: according to the wiki you're supposed to use "the native means" on windows, so I assume it's the Add/Remove Program wizard?
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# [17:59] <@bz> rhelmer: if I select those 2 points and click the changesets button, it'll show me the pushlog for those two, which will show A, B, C, F, G
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# [18:00] <@bz> rhelmer: whereas what I want is a pushlog link showing D, E, F, G
# [18:00] <@bz> rhelmer: since that's what changed between the two builds.
# [18:00] <rhelmer> bz: ah ok I see
# [18:00] <+felipe> vlad: on windows you can uninstall it like other apps by going in the control panel -> remove programs
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# [18:00] <rhelmer> bz: ok I will do what you requested in the bug, then :) thanks
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# [18:22] <@bsmedberg> Is @Steve_Yegge *the* Steve Yegge?
# [18:22] <botond> kats: "device-pixel" (http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/mobile/android/base/gfx/DisplayPortCalculator.java#466) = LayoutDevicePixel?
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# [18:23] <kats> botond: no, that refers to screen pixels (i think)
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# [18:24] <kats> actually maybe not
# [18:24] <kats> botond: actually that refers to layer pixel area
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# [18:29] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/7fa52a171426 - James Willcox - Bug 850263 - Use reasonable SkiaGL cache size and share between instances r=mattwoodrow
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# [18:31] <RyanVM|Sheriff> bsmedberg: would be a helluva a coincidence if it wasn't
# [18:33] <@bz> Green!
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# [18:38] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/bb3d4e913ebb - Boris Zbarsky - Bug 909645 part 2. Don't include ipdl headers in Hal.h. r=ms2ger
# [18:38] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/4812540ac78a - Boris Zbarsky - Bug 909645 part 1. Don't include ipdl headers in nsGeolocation.h. r=ms2ger
# [18:38] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/a1951b745635 - Boris Zbarsky - Bug 909645 part 3. Make including SpeechRecognition.h and MediaManager.h not pull ipdl headers. r=ms2ger
# [18:38] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/e796234016ba - Boris Zbarsky - Bug 909645 part 4. Don't include ipdl headers in DesktopNotification.h. r=ms2ger,glandium
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# [18:47] <ddahl_> Hmm. Do I need to include or use another namespace in my file to avoid: fatal error: 'mozilla/dom/PContentChild.h' file not found? http://pastebin.mozilla.org/2930003
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# [18:49] <@bz> ddahl_: did you build from toplevel?
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# [18:50] <@bz> ddahl_: because this should work....
# [18:50] <ddahl_> bz: yes, just ran ./mach build
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# [18:51] <@bz> ddahl_: Do you have a ipc/ipdl/_ipdlheaders/mozilla/dom/PContentChild.h
# [18:51] <@bz> ddahl_: in your objdir?
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# [18:51] <ddahl_> yes
# [18:52] <ddahl_> bz:^^
# [18:52] <khuey> but your problem is almost certainly that you're using it in a directory that doesn't include chromium-config.mk in its makefile
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# [18:52] <khuey> mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/ipc/chromium/chromium-config.mk#20
# [18:52] <@bz> He's including ContentChild.h
# [18:52] <@bz> which is why PContentChild comes in
# [18:53] <ddahl_> khuey: snippet here: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/2930003
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# [18:53] <@bz> And yes, workers probably don't have the chromium bit
# [18:53] <@bz> Why do you need ContentChild.h, though?
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# [18:54] <@bz> An is it even safe to use from a non-main thread?
# [18:54] <khuey> yeah I'm really scared of what you're going to do with IPC stuff from workers ;-)
# [18:54] <khuey> cause it's not safe to use from a non-main thread
# [18:54] <ddahl_> bz: I was trying to make the existing getRandomValues code work inside the worker as an experiment, sounds like this is not going to work this way
# [18:55] <ddahl_> khuey: ok
# [18:55] <khuey> ddahl_: the usual way to do this is to have the worker impl proxy to the mainthread impl
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# [18:55] <@bz> which is effing annoying
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# [18:56] <@bz> but yeah
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# [18:56] <khuey> depends on what you're implementing
# [18:56] <khuey> and how latency sensitive you are
# [18:56] <bent> bz, "meet gecko" ;)
# [18:56] <khuey> we're certainly not going to want to do that for webgl for instance
# [18:56] <@bz> bent: well, so
# [18:56] <khuey> but yeah, what bent said
# [18:56] <@bz> bent: Changing ipc to be threadsafe could be fun too
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# [18:56] <ddahl_> khuey: is there an example of a proxy to learn from?
# [18:57] <khuey> ddahl_: URL
# [18:57] <bent> i'll put that on khuey's todo list
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# [18:59] <RyanVM|Sheriff> philor: thanks, was in the middle of something
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# [19:02] <reuben> dougt: I can't believe you had to explain that joke :(
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# [19:03] <RyanVM|Sheriff> philor: my recollection is that those Android failures can be needs-clobber
# [19:04] <RyanVM|Sheriff> philor: nvm
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# [19:04] <Ms2ger> kats, ack
# [19:04] <Ms2ger> bz, ack
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# [19:05] <kats> Ms2ger: just wondering if you were working on converting nsViewportInfo to unit-ted types. i cc'd you on bug 910322
# [19:05] <Ms2ger> nsViewportInfo? No, don't think so
# [19:06] <kats> ok
# [19:06] <RyanVM|Sheriff> bz: sup?
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# [19:08] <@bz> RyanVM|Sheriff: this log parser
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# [19:08] <@bz> RyanVM|Sheriff: it's catching the catch (e) { print(e); } pattern
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# [19:09] <@bz> RyanVM|Sheriff: Is that because we can't tell that case from an actual uncaught exception?
# [19:09] <RyanVM|Sheriff> bz: those questions are better directed toward edmorley
# [19:09] <@bz> RyanVM|Sheriff: and if so, should the js tests just prefix those prints with something?
# [19:09] <@bz> ok
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# [19:09] <@bz> edmorley: &
# [19:09] <@bz> edmorley: ^
# [19:09] <sfink> reuben: yeah, that one really shook my faith in humanity
# [19:09] <RyanVM|Sheriff> but yeah, I think prefixing is the way to go
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# [19:09] <+evilpie> why are we even printing stuff?
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# [19:10] <edmorley> bz: yeah, see bug 829684
# [19:10] <edmorley> I need to take another look at that
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# [19:10] <edmorley> (the patch was broken iirc, but try got reset)
# [19:11] <@bz> evilpie: _good_ question
# [19:11] <@bz> evilpie: the js tests are super-print-spammy
# [19:11] <@bz> evilpie: they print random 1s and exceptions and so on and so forth
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# [19:11] <RyanVM|Sheriff> bz: I actually filed bug 910280 today about all the warning spam in the logs
# [19:11] <@bz> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/search?string=print%28&find=js%2Fsrc%2Ftests&findi=&;filter=^[^\0]*%24&hitlimit=&tree=mozilla-central
# [19:11] <+evilpie> yeah jstests are annoying overall
# [19:11] <@bz> "Too many hits, displaying the first 1000"
# [19:12] <@bz> RyanVM|Sheriff: yep, I saw
# [19:12] <RyanVM|Sheriff> bz: thanks for looking at those exceptions, btw
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# [19:12] <@bz> No problem
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# [19:40] <+catlee> RyanVM|Sheriff: I have a patch to land on m-c and friends. It's b2g related, but it needs to land and then be merged to m-i, b2g-i and then get a reconfig. Where should I land it first?
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# [19:41] <RyanVM|Sheriff> catlee: how urgent is it?
# [19:41] <+catlee> RyanVM|Sheriff: not particularly
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# [19:42] <RyanVM|Sheriff> in that case, can you just push to b-i and let it run around from there?
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# [19:42] <+catlee> sure
# [19:42] <RyanVM|Sheriff> ok
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# [19:42] <RyanVM|Sheriff> we merge m-c back across the other branches after merges, so once it hits m-c, it's safe to say it's on all other branches too
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# [19:43] <RyanVM|Sheriff> man, Chrome is lightyears better loading tbpl logs
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# [19:45] <+catlee> I know
# [19:45] <+catlee> it's really sad
# [19:45] <+catlee> but...b-i is closed!?!?!
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# [19:45] <@bz> RyanVM|Sheriff: is it the bidi issue, or something else?
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# [19:47] <RyanVM|Sheriff> catlee: yeah, various bustages :( - are you just trying to push a config change?
# [19:47] <RyanVM|Sheriff> bz: AFAIK, I guess
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# [19:47] <+catlee> RyanVM|Sheriff: yeah, https://wiki.mozilla.org/Firefox/Planning/2013-08-28
# [19:47] <+catlee> err
# [19:47] <+catlee> https://bug885630.bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=796707
# [19:48] <+catlee> firefox copy/paste is laggy...
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# [19:48] <RyanVM|Sheriff> catlee: go ahead with a CLOSED TREE then
# [19:48] <+catlee> or I can wait...no biggie
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# [19:49] <RyanVM|Sheriff> catlee: OK, I'll ping you when it's open
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# [19:51] <+evilpie> Enn: hey! I need your help with debugging a very intermittent issue that happens sometimes on your machine.
# [19:53] <digitsm2> Hello
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# [19:53] <digitsm2> I need to speak with someone about legal issues
# [19:54] <+evilpie> on my machine
# [19:54] <digitsm2> of mozilla licenses
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# [19:54] <+evilpie> evilpie: would it be possible for you to come to the office today and look at it?
# [19:54] <digitsm2> Actually the legal and ethical aspects of using mozilla licenses
# [19:55] <digitsm2> It's important for me.
# [19:55] <tbsaunde> evilpie: I suspect only you know that :p
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# [19:55] <+evilpie> dammit thanks
# [19:55] <+evilpie> Enn: would it be possible for you to come to the office today and look at it?
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# [19:56] <RyanVM|Sheriff> digitsm2: email gerv@mozilla.com ?
# [19:56] <Enn> evilpie: do you mean 'happens sometimes on my machine' or 'happens sometimes on your machine'?
# [19:56] <Mook_as> digitsm2: I believe there's a mailing list. (it seems unlikely for people that interested in discussing legal issues to be hanging out on IRC)
# [19:57] <+evilpie> Enn: on "my" sorry
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# [19:57] <Enn> I'm not coming in until friday
# [19:57] <+evilpie> oh to bad
# [19:57] <Enn> evilpie: but you can tell me about it
# [19:57] <digitsm2> Mook_as: Actually it's more than only legal issues. I want to know about ethical issues too.
# [19:58] <+evilpie> Enn: so basically I can't drag anything
# [19:58] <mbrubeck> digitsm2: Maybe post to the mozilla.governance newsgroup?
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# [19:58] <mbrubeck> http://www.mozilla.org/about/forums/#governance
# [19:58] <+evilpie> I made this http://jsfiddle.net/pMKEd/ testpage and I only see "dragstart" nothing else
# [19:59] <mbrubeck> digitsm2: I think the suggestion above of contacting gerv is a good place to start too.
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# [20:00] <digitsm2> mbrubeck: Do they reply fast?
# [20:00] <Enn> evilpie: does the drag actually occur?
# [20:00] <+evilpie> not visually
# [20:00] <Enn> meaning, does the translucent image appear?
# [20:00] <+evilpie> no
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# [20:01] <mbrubeck> gerv: Well, it's evening in gerv's home time zone, so he might not reply fast right now, but you can try to catch him at a different hour when he's responding on IRC.
# [20:01] <mbrubeck> s/gerv:/digitsm2:/
# [20:01] <mbrubeck> digitsm2: If you post to the governance forum, then it depends on what your question is and who decides to respond to it...
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# [20:01] <mbrubeck> but in general the list is reasonably responsive.
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# [20:02] <Enn> evilpie: so you need to figure out where it is bailing out and not starting the drag
# [20:02] <+evilpie> sounds good
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# [20:03] <RyanVM|Sheriff> gavin: ping
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# [20:03] <mbrubeck> digitsm2: You could also just ask your question(s), in case someone here knows the answer...
# [20:03] <digitsm2> mbrubeck: Aaaw. gerv is a preson? Ok! It's better to first ask a person and then ask many people.
# [20:03] <Enn> evilpie: dragging begins within nsEventStateManager::GenerateDragGesture
# [20:03] <RyanVM|Sheriff> gavin: can you suggest someone else who might be able to take a look at bug 897095?
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# [20:04] <digitsm2> mbrubeck: Can I know your opinion about my problem? If you're interested I'll pm you
# [20:04] <mbrubeck> sure
# [20:04] <mbrubeck> (though I really think you'll get the best response by asking in an appropriate channel or mailing list)
# [20:05] <+evilpie> Enn: nope that's not called at all
# [20:05] <Enn> which platform is this?
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# [20:05] <@gavin> RyanVM|Sheriff: perhaps smacleod can look into it
# [20:05] <+evilpie> linux mint
# [20:05] <RyanVM|Sheriff> gavin: thanks :)
# [20:05] <@gavin> smacleod: (see bug 897095)
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# [20:07] <smacleod> taken
# [20:07] <Enn> evilpie: well, GenerateDragGesture is the first thing that happens on a mousemove event, so no mousemove event is being received
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# [20:08] <+evilpie> http://jsfiddle.net/TLNUC/ shows mousemove events
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# [20:09] <RyanVM|Sheriff> smacleod++ :)
# [20:09] <RyanVM|Sheriff> marco: thanks for the quick turnaround on that bug, btw! :)
# [20:10] <joduinn-mtg> marco: what timezone are you in?
# [20:10] <joduinn-mtg> Asa+joduinn: is PST; mfinkle is EST
# [20:10] <Enn> evilpie: are you sure GenerateDragGesture isn't being called?
# [20:11] <+evilpie> well the breakpoint doesn't hit
# [20:11] <marco> RyanVM|Sheriff: np, thanks for your patience with my absent-mindedness with commit messages etc.!
# [20:11] <@ted> why am i occasionally getting error pages with XML parsing errors?
# [20:11] <marco> joduinn-mtg: PDT
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# [20:11] <@ted> XML parsing error in netError.xhtml
# [20:12] <joduinn-mtg> marco: k
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# [20:17] <dietrich> ted: do these docs match what landed? https://wiki.mozilla.org/JoystickAPI
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# [20:20] <mfinkle> catlee, what's the process for pulling a nightly?
# [20:20] <mfinkle> i'd like the android nightly pulled
# [20:20] <mfinkle> asap
# [20:20] <mfinkle> joduinn ^
# [20:21] <RyanVM|Sheriff> bz: inbound crashtest orange
# [20:21] <joduinn> mfinkle: file blocker bug. with specifics.
# [20:21] <joduinn> mfinkle: me grabs buildduty person to jump on it.
# [20:21] <RyanVM|Sheriff> bz: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=27127071&tree=Mozilla-Inbound
# [20:21] <mfinkle> joduinn, component?
# [20:21] <@ted> dietrich: not exactly
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# [20:21] <@ted> dietrich: the spec (although editor's draft) matches pretty clsoely
# [20:21] <@ted> dietrich: https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/gamepad/raw-file/default/gamepad.html
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# [20:22] <joduinn> mfinkle: RelEng: Buildduty feels good start
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# [20:22] <@ted> dietrich: http://people.mozilla.com/~tmielczarek/gamepadtest.html is a crappy but working example
# [20:22] <dietrich> ted: thanks!
# [20:22] <@ted> np
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# [20:23] <joduinn> mfinkle: jhopkins|buildduty can help - get info into bug
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# [20:24] <joduinn> (curious after dust settles on whats up - do we need to pull any per-checkin builds also?)
# [20:24] <mfinkle> jhopkins|buildduty, bug 910378
# [20:24] <mfinkle> joduinn, i am only worried about nightlies for now
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# [20:31] <mjrosenb|ARM> http://imgur.com/gallery/lgSAIFE -- we should get in on this deal.
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# [20:33] <kk1fff> sicking: I just realized there's a thread is discussing the interface of startTLS. Should I pause the implementing of startTLS until the draft is available?
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# [20:43] <+dougt> ted: ping?
# [20:43] <@ted> dougt: pong
# [20:43] <+dougt> on that maemo removal...
# [20:43] <@ted> yes
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# [20:43] <+dougt> did you want another chance to review, or should I just fix up your comments, and move forward
# [20:44] <@ted> let me give it another once-over
# [20:44] <@ted> should be quick if you fixed everything
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# [20:46] <@ted> tasks are pretty rad
# [20:46] <@ted> i was wishing for these while writing some async-heavy mochitests ages ago
# [20:47] <+TheOne> !seen mak
# [20:47] <khuey> generators are great for that
# [20:47] <nemo> *sigh*
# [20:47] <@ted> i think it was an about:crashes page, where i had to load a URL, wait for it to load, click on something, wait for that to load, etc
# [20:48] <nemo> anyone ever accidentally typed nightly.mozill.org instead of nightly.mozilla.org on a mobile device due to stupid touch keypads? :-/
# [20:48] <Archaeopteryx> TheOne: no firebot
# [20:48] <@ted> being able to write that all in series would have been great
# [20:48] <nemo> had to go explain to the network admin at work I wasn't actually looking for porn
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# [20:49] <+TheOne> :(
# [20:50] <@ted> your network admins watch your traffic that closely?
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# [20:50] <+TheOne> is firebot not part of the critical infrastructure yet?
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# [20:51] <Ms2ger> ted, his network admins keep an eye out for their favourite porn sites, obviously
# [20:51] <+TheOne> I thought the ranking is something like 1. bugzilla, 2. hg, 3. firebot
# [20:51] <nemo> ted: well, I know him, and I know they regularly do reports on this, 'cause he shared one of 'em w/ me
# [20:52] <@ted> heh
# [20:52] <@ted> TheOne: firebot has never been run by mozilla
# [20:52] <qDot> Wait where are the porn bugs on bugzilla and why am I not getting automatic bugmail about them.
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# [20:52] <Ms2ger> qDot, https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=lackofsex
# [20:53] <+TheOne> ted: it's about time :)
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# [20:56] <botond> ehsan: ping
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# [20:57] <marco> mfinkle: can you review an android webapps related patch?
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# [21:01] <botond> jrmuizel: why do you have two emails on bugzilla? which one should be used for cc's?
# [21:01] <@ehsan> botond: hi
# [21:01] <botond> ehsan: are we allowed to use the standard <chrono> library?
# [21:02] <tbsaunde> botond: stlport almost certainly doesn't have it
# [21:02] <@ehsan> botond: probably not?
# [21:02] <@ehsan> botond: I don't see chrono here: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/build/stlport/stlport/
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# [21:03] <botond> tbsaunde, ehsan: ok, thanks. do we by any chance have strongly-typed duration classes (seconds, milliseconds, etc.) of our own?
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# [21:04] <tbsaunde> botond: afaik there's only mozilla::TimeDuration, but patches welcome I guess
# [21:04] <@ehsan> botond: what do you need to do?
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# [21:06] <botond> ehsan: i don't need to do anything right now. i'm just hoping that we'll eventually be able to go from things like "double aEstimatedPaintDuration" (and if you read enough of the surrounding you eventually figure out it's in seconds) to "chrono::seconds aEstimatedPaintDuration"
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# [21:07] <mfinkle> marco, a patch that's in my queue?
# [21:07] <@ehsan> botond: you can probably add your own types to mozilla::TimeStamp/TimeDuration
# [21:07] <@ehsan> should be really easy
# [21:07] <@ehsan> or
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# [21:07] <@ehsan> you can contribute a <chrono> compat API to MFBT
# [21:07] <@ehsan> but you should check with Waldo on that first
# [21:07] <marco> mfinkle: no, I patch that I wrote, I was wondering if you're the right person to review webapps patches for Android
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# [21:08] <Waldo> botond: I know jcranmer had various thoughts about timing stuff in mfbt
# [21:08] <RyanVM|Sheriff> alright, we hit the tree closure trifecta!
# [21:08] <botond> Where's Waldo?
# [21:08] <mfinkle> marco, me or wesj
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# [21:08] <RyanVM|Sheriff> all 3 integration branches at once
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# [21:08] <botond> (sorry, couldn't resist)
# [21:08] <marco> mfinkle: ok, thanks
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# [21:09] <Ms2ger> RyanVM|Sheriff, better close m-c too
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# [21:10] <jcranmer> Waldo: botond: ehsan: whee for <chrono>
# [21:10] <philor> yeah, last merge from m-i to m-c added more jit-test permaorange to linux64 ASan, we should close for that
# [21:10] <jcranmer> the problem I have with <chrono> is the dependency on <ratio>, which makes it pretty fugly to code yourself
# [21:11] <jcranmer> mozilla::TimeDuration apparently uses a granularity whose value is not known to us at compile time
# [21:11] * jcranmer glares at windows
# [21:11] <@ehsan> jcranmer: are those header only implementations? or do they require compiler magic?
# [21:11] <Optimizer> umm, while filling VISA form for summit 13, I am asked Mozilla's relation to me . (me being an volunteer).
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# [21:11] <botond> ehsan: do you mean <ratio>? i'm pretty sure it requires no compiler magic
# [21:11] <jcranmer> ehsan: <ratio> is header-only, I think; <chrono> is not
# [21:11] <jcranmer> since <chrono> needs platform-API-specific calls
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# [21:11] <@ehsan> sadface
# [21:12] <jcranmer> <chrono> is basically mozilla/TimeStamp.h
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# [21:12] <jcranmer> if we made TimeDuration be compile-time granularity
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# [21:12] <@ehsan> we can't do that
# [21:12] <jcranmer> botond: there is a patch somewhere about moving mozilla/TimeStamp.h to mozglue/mfbt/something
# [21:12] <@ehsan> but why does it have to be known at compile time?
# [21:13] <botond> jcranmer: what do you mean about TImeDuration's granularity not being known at compile time?
# [21:13] <jcranmer> ehsan: because the denominator of the ratio stuff has to be known at compile time
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# [21:13] <@ehsan> oh
# [21:13] <@ehsan> well
# [21:13] <@ehsan> how does/will MS implement this then?
# [21:14] <jcranmer> I'm looking at that right now
# [21:14] <botond> jcranmer: oh, i see, it's only not know at compile time for MS
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# [21:16] <botond> kats: what do you think about using mozilla::TimeDuration to represent things like the "double aEstimatedPaintDuration" argument of APZC::CalculatePendingDisplayPort?
# [21:16] <Yoric> ted: ping
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# [21:16] <@ted> Yoric: pong
# [21:16] <Yoric> Thanks for the review.
# [21:16] <@ted> np
# [21:16] <jcranmer> ehsan: it's using _Xtime_get_ticks for now
# [21:16] <jcranmer> now() *
# [21:16] <tbsaunde> so could we have mozilla::SecondsDuration that is sane on !windows and does runtime convertion to seconds on windows?
# [21:17] <@ehsan> _Xtime_get_ticks?
# [21:17] <Yoric> Regarding bug 872229, I guess that means I should perform a minimal rewrite for all tests that define |let Promise = ...| or |let Task = ...|, doesn't it?
# [21:17] <jcranmer> google isn't much helkp
# [21:17] <jcranmer> let's try to see if msdn gives more details
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# [21:18] <@ted> Yoric: if it's going to break them, then yeah
# [21:18] <Yoric> Will do. Thanks.
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# [21:18] <kats> botond: i'm not opposed to it, as long as it provides some benefit
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# [21:19] <Waldo> ted: I hate PGO
# [21:19] <@ehsan> jcranmer: I mean, the resolution can actually change at runtime!
# [21:20] <Waldo> ted: what subset of the builds on https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=1c2a29db9d88 do we actually care about? thinking slightly, I kind of doubt that we care about Android PGO at the very least, which makes me suspect a whole lot more there
# [21:20] <@ted> Waldo: join the club
# [21:20] <@ted> Waldo: only windows and linux
# [21:20] <@ted> Waldo: PGO on Try is kind of dumb right now
# [21:20] <jcranmer> ehsan: looking at the source code suggests they fudge steady_clock
# [21:20] <@ted> because you can't tell it "build PGO for only the things we would normally build PGO"
# [21:21] <Waldo> boo-urns
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# [21:21] <@ted> Waldo: but if the win opt and linux opt builds are okay, you should be okay
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# [21:22] <philor> well, you can tell it to only build PGO for the right things, but we're lazy so we like instructions saying "put it in this one file" instead of "put it in these three files"
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# [21:24] <botond> kats: Is this comment still correct: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/gfx/layers/FrameMetrics.h#129?
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# [21:24] <kats> botond: see bug 899100
# [21:25] <kats> that comment is correct in that the value is ill-defined for anything other than the top-level frame
# [21:25] <jcranmer> ehsan: so, libstdc++ uses clock_gettime(CLOCK_MONOTONIC) for high_resolution/steady_clock, which is exactly what TimeStamp_posix.cpp is doing
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# [21:27] <jcranmer> ehsan: VC2012 is definitely lying, and the high resolution clock isn't high resolution
# [21:27] <jcranmer> ehsan: I don't know without testing if it's monotonic
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# [21:28] <botond> kats: is the "subframes do not have a displayport set" part accurate?
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# [21:28] <kats> botond: not any more
# [21:28] <jcranmer> ehsan: the best workaround apparently is to use boost's chrono header
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# [21:29] <jcranmer> ehsan: (which uses QueryPerformanceCounter)
# [21:29] <botond> kats: mCompositionBounds is used is CalculatePendingDisplayPort(). if it's ill-defined for subframes, and subframes do have a displayport, isn't that a problem?
# [21:30] <Waldo> we have two different implementations of the JS_Now/PRMJ_Now/etc. algorithm in the tree
# [21:30] <Waldo> would be good to have just one in mfbt
# [21:30] <jcranmer> my interesting in time functionality is actually an interest in the calendaring stuff, to get rid of PR_ExplodedTime and the ilk
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# [21:30] <jcranmer> Waldo: you're forgetting mozilla::TimeStamp! :-)
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# [21:31] <Waldo> I *am* sure that there's an algorithm in NSPR, and an algorithm in JS, that looked very eerily similar last I looked
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# [21:33] <@ted> dtoa.c?
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# [21:36] <RyanVM|Sheriff> bz: ping
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# [21:52] <arnaud_bienner> mounir: ping
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# [21:53] <@bz> RyanVM|Sheriff: what's up?
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# [21:53] <RyanVM|Sheriff> bz: your push to inbound
# [21:53] <RyanVM|Sheriff> getting pretty frequent crashtest asserts since
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# [21:53] <RyanVM|Sheriff> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=27127071&tree=Mozilla-Inbound
# [21:53] <@bz> RyanVM|Sheriff: hrm.... looking
# [21:54] <RyanVM|Sheriff> note that bug 823822 is on file for what appears to be a similar issue
# [21:54] <RyanVM|Sheriff> but we've hit this now 5-6 times since your push
# [21:54] * @bz doesn't see how twiddling headers could affect that
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# [21:55] <@bz> yes, I see that
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# [21:55] <@bz> always on 822340-1?
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# [21:56] <RyanVM|Sheriff> and once on -2
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# [21:58] <@bz> 10:57:05 INFO - ###!!! ASSERTION: Shouldn't have anything queued!: 'aStatus != Terminating || mQueuedRunnables.IsEmpty()', file e:/builds/moz2_slave/m-in-w32-d-0000000000000000000/build/dom/workers/WorkerPrivate.cpp, line 2006
# [21:58] <@bz> 10:57:06 INFO - mozilla::dom::workers::WorkerPrivateParent<mozilla::dom::workers::WorkerPrivate>::_finalize(JSFreeOp *) [dom/workers/WorkerPrivate.cpp:2114]
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# [21:58] <@bz> and then a stack leading up to gc
# [21:59] <@bz> I really don't see how my patches could have affected this
# [21:59] * @bz sees retriggers on earlier pushes, good
# [21:59] <RyanVM|Sheriff> bz: yep
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# [21:59] <@bz> My money is on the big JS landing there
# [21:59] <gerv> digitsm2: Gerv here. Post in the mozilla.legal group.
# [21:59] <@bz> 898347
# [21:59] <gerv> https://www.mozilla.org/about/forums/#legal
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# [22:01] <@bz> fwiw, 822340 doesn't even use workers
# [22:01] <gaston> big js landing ?
# [22:01] <@bz> so this is a worker from some earlier test
# [22:01] * gaston is always scared of big js landings for exotic platforms..
# [22:01] <@bz> that's just now being ged, because 822340 _does_ allocate a bunch of objects
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# [22:02] <@bz> (exception objects)
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# [22:05] <@bz> bent: ping
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# [22:05] <bent> bz, meeting
# [22:05] <@bz> bent: ok
# [22:05] * @bz mutters about everyone being in meetings all the time.... ;)
# [22:05] <Ms2ger> bz, it's better than doing work...
# [22:06] <mbrubeck> RyanVM|Sheriff: Oops, sorry! I intentionally put checkin?mbrubeck on https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=878691 to put it in my own request queue, because I was going to do some testing and some cleanups before landing it.
# [22:06] <mbrubeck> (I mentioned that in the last comment, but it wasn't super explicit.)
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# [22:06] <RyanVM|Sheriff> ffs, back to all 3 closed again
# [22:06] <RyanVM|Sheriff> mbrubeck: oops
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# [22:07] <mbrubeck> RyanVM|Sheriff: No problem, I'll push the review fixes as a separate patch, or back out if I find any problems.
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# [22:13] <@bz> RyanVM|Sheriff: that Crashtest orange is on the push before mine too
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# [22:13] <RyanVM|Sheriff> indeed
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# [22:13] <@bz> RyanVM|Sheriff: *whew*
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# [22:13] <@bz> and on the binary data bits
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# [22:21] <@bz> bent: #jsapi when your meeting ends?
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# [22:25] <nemo> grrr. I hate it when I screwup my JS, and firefox completely locks up, and I'm not given a slow script warning popup :(
# [22:26] <smaug> julienw_afk: ping
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# [22:26] <nemo> so I wait 5 minutes w/ completely frozen interface until I giveup and killall
# [22:26] <botond> kats: "For layers that don't correspond to a document, [mViewport] is meaningless and invalid." (http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/gfx/layers/FrameMetrics.h#172) Why is that?
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# [22:30] <nemo> I had while(ary.length) { a = ary.shift; ctx.lineTo(a[0],a[1]); } with shift; instead of shift()
# [22:30] <nemo> infinite loop I guess
# [22:30] <nemo> but, one that completely choked firefox
# [22:30] <nemo> perhaps due to ctx.lineTos it was attempting. dunno
# [22:30] <nemo> annoying, anyway.
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# [22:30] <ckitching> So here's a stupid question about nsStrings that I oddly can't seem to find in the docs... How do I construct an nsAString from a null-terminated char[]?
# [22:31] <ckitching> Related: The JNI is stupid as heck. :P
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# [22:32] <abr> ckitching: Assign(string, strlen(string)); ?
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# [22:32] <kats> botond: that may not be true any more
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# [22:32] <kats> wait did i write that?
# [22:33] <kats> let me check :)
# [22:33] <abr> ckitching: Oh, wait. No, that's wrong.
# [22:33] <kats> ok it wasn't me. phew
# [22:33] <@bz> ckitching: does your string need to outlive the char[] ?
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# [22:33] <ckitching> bz: No.
# [22:33] <kats> botond: so it may be that mViewport refers to different things for documents and for non-documents
# [22:33] <@bz> ckitching: nsDependentString(chars)
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# [22:34] <ckitching> bz: That simple, eh? Thanks!
# [22:34] <botond> kats: Really? What is the difference?
# [22:34] <ckitching> bz: Out of interest, what's the solution if you do need to outlive the char? I guess copy the char and do the same thing?
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# [22:36] <botond> kats: Also, a possibly related question: is there any difference between mViewport and mCompositionBounds other than being expressed in different coordinates?
# [22:36] <kats> botond: so for documents it does what it says in the comment. for non-documents i believe it holds the size of the containing frame
# [22:36] <Ms2ger> ckitching, Assign, probably
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# [22:38] * RyanVM|Sheriff can
# [22:38] <seth> got a big push ready to go
# [22:38] <seth> heh
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# [22:39] <seth> RyanVM|Sheriff: that's getting reviewed right so, so hopefully yes!
# [22:39] <seth> *right now
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# [22:45] <+efaust> RyanVM|Sheriff: any eta on tree reopening? if the most recent land of yours is green?
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# [22:46] <RyanVM|Sheriff> pretty much
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# [22:46] <+efaust> bah, OK
# [22:46] <RyanVM|Sheriff> efaust: trying to clean up some of the other oranges right now
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# [22:47] <Yoric> gps: What's the equivalent of LOCAL_INCLUDES += -I $(topsrcdir)/foo/bar with moz.build?
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# [23:04] <gps> Yoric: I'm not sure because I haven't reviewed bug 880254 yet :)
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# [23:07] <KWierso> RyanVM|Sheriff: how goes your day? :)
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# [23:11] <RyanVM|Sheriff> KWierso: shitty, thanks for asking
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# [23:11] <_AxS_> gps: bajaj: ping re bug 517765 - there is no breakage risk here against beta because this code added by the patch isn't run unless explicitly done by hand, within /js/src
# [23:11] <KWierso> RyanVM|Sheriff: :(
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# [23:14] <_AxS_> gps: bajaj: I don't have bugzilla access right now to post that, but the try logs should show this if you cycle through 'em.
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# [23:16] <_AxS_> gps: thanks, sorry just got your update on that bug.
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# [23:18] <RyanVM|Sheriff> dholbert: I'm going to be doing some pushing to beta - so I'll get the SVG patch
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# [23:23] <bajaj> mrbkap: can you please help with this https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=860123#c37 ?
# [23:24] <bajaj> _AxS_: its approved now :)
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# [23:28] <+dholbert|pto> RyanVM|Sheriff, oh, awesome
# [23:28] <+dholbert|pto> RyanVM|Sheriff, thanks
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# [23:28] <+dholbert|pto> RyanVM|Sheriff, I'll add a comment mentioning that & tag you as "needinfo" :)
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# [23:31] <sicking> jdm: thanks for taking the intermittent-organge CORS bug!!!
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# [23:31] <jdm> sicking: we'll see how it goes. I'll try to throw some printfs in there and retrigger try a bunch of times tomorrow
# [23:32] <sicking> jdm: sounds good
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# [23:32] <sicking> jdm: oooh, actually, i just realized that I have a theory
# [23:32] <jdm> sicking: do tell
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# [23:33] <sicking> jdm: so it turns out that necko can sometimes reorder requests. I.e. if you start two separate XHRs from the same window, necko can actually reverse the order in which they hit the wire and thus hit the server
# [23:33] <jdm> that's a new one
# [23:34] <RyanVM|Sheriff> why does hg suck so much on Windows?
# [23:34] <sicking> jdm: it's not really a bug I think. There's no guarantee that two requests will reach a server in any particular order. So no point in enforcing it in necko
# [23:34] <sicking> RyanVM|Sheriff: no idea. Hence "theory" :)
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# [23:35] <jduell> sicking: jdm: you must lose your conceptions of space, time, and ordering in order to become one with the Network
# [23:35] <RyanVM|Sheriff> sicking: it seriously refuses to let me correctly set a file permission
# [23:35] <jdm> haha
# [23:35] <RyanVM|Sheriff> _AxS_: here we go again ^
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# [23:35] <sicking> jdm: since these are CORS cache tests, and the CORS cache tests are stateful, they are generally written in such a way that it first does an XHR to set some state in the server. Then does a second XHR to test the CORS code and that relies on the server having that correct state
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# [23:36] <sicking> jdm: in another test where we had a similar setup, we had to change so that we waited for the state-change XHR to finish, before sending the second XHR that relied on the new server state
# [23:37] <jdm> that makes sense
# [23:37] <sicking> RyanVM|Sheriff: you lost me
# [23:37] <RyanVM|Sheriff> dunno, you replied to me...
# [23:37] <RyanVM|Sheriff> can someone with an hg/os combination that doesn't suck lend me a hand for a sec?
# [23:37] <sicking> RyanVM|Sheriff: oh, sorry, i misread your original comment. I thought you were talking about the failing test. Please ignore me
# [23:37] <Waldo> sicking: you said something? ;-)
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# [23:38] <sicking> jdm: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/content/base/test/test_CrossSiteXHR_cache.html?force=1#458
# [23:38] <Waldo> :-)
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# [23:38] <Waldo> async server tests are a lot of fun to write while not having any race conditions
# [23:38] <sicking> jdm: it might help if you simply let that xhr finish by inserting a 'yield' that waits for it to finish
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# [23:39] <tbsaunde> RyanVM|Sheriff: what's up?
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# [23:42] <RyanVM|Sheriff> tbsaunde: nvm, thanks
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# [23:45] <+catlee> what's the magic keep open/leave open whiteboard tag?
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# [23:46] <+catlee> ta
# [23:47] <mbrubeck> or anything that matches https://bitbucket.org/graememcc/m-cmerge/src/a9329f62b06ce2a4ff2dcc73bad4f8075d886fcf/js/Config.js?at=default#cl-19 really
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# [23:50] <cpearce> RyanVM|Sheriff: hey, I have some approved patches for aurora and beta to land, but I see aurora and beta are closed, yet people are still landing on it... what's going on there? can we just land approved patches there even though they're closed?
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# [23:51] <RyanVM|Sheriff> cpearce: it's because I'm doing the landing and don't want to hit conflicts in the process :P
# [23:51] <RyanVM|Sheriff> yours is on the list ;)
# [23:51] <cpearce> RyanVM|Sheriff: ok, I'll let you take care of landing bug 908386 for me then.
# [23:51] <RyanVM|Sheriff> indeed :)
# [23:52] <cpearce> RyanVM|Sheriff: Thanks!
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# [23:53] <sfink> [leave open
# [23:53] <sfink> would make a certain amount of sense
# [23:54] <sfink> and irritate a lot of people as a bonus
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# [23:54] <mbrubeck> sfink++
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# [23:57] <KWierso> sfink: diabolical...
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