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# [00:01] <mihneadb> looks like I want /usr/lib/libSystem.dylib
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# [00:01] <mihneadb> here I am thinking I'm doing JS
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# [00:04] <mihneadb> khuey: if I don't have a typedef and I want to end up with struct foo, do I include "struct" in the name to StructType?
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# [00:10] <Yoric> mihneadb: Can this wait until tomorrow? It's past midnight here.
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# [00:10] <mihneadb> Yoric: sorry, I didn't know your timezone :) I just looked at MDN's history for the ctypes page
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# [00:10] <mihneadb> khuey helped me, it's ok
# [00:11] <Yoric> mihneadb: I'm willing to answer anything tomorrow :)
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# [00:11] <mihneadb> great, I'll ping you if I don't figure it out by then
# [00:11] <mihneadb> thanks and sorry :)
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# [00:24] <marco> Yoric: ping
# [00:24] <NeilAway> karolyi: strange; I have no idea why that would be
# [00:24] <marco> RyanVM: ping
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# [00:26] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/17a114e7922a - Nicholas D. Matsakis - Bug 910896 - Reorder workrThreadState r=shu
# [00:26] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/8e94b0e0d4fe - Nicholas D. Matsakis - Bug 910896 - Move StructField constructor into TypeRepresentation.cpp r=shu
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# [00:26] <RyanVM|afk> marco: pong, but not for long
# [00:27] <marco> RyanVM|afk: too late :D I've a try push where bug 874425 is failing
# [00:27] <marco> I wanted to make sure it was a problem before commenting
# [00:27] <RyanVM|afk> ah, k
# [00:27] <RyanVM|afk> yeah, that's been spiking lately
# [00:27] <marco> so just a quick question
# [00:27] <marco> why https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=e122cba93bab
# [00:27] <marco> has a lot of changeset?
# [00:28] <karolyi> NeilAway: only the browser object has one, as stated here earlier... but i will fiddle around a bit with it tomorrow... to tired for today
# [00:28] <RyanVM|afk> because of how hg works
# [00:28] <karolyi> *too
# [00:28] <RyanVM|afk> marco: you're essentially pushing all those other csets to Try because they weren't already present in the repo
# [00:28] <marco> RyanVM|afk: ah I see, I thought the try repo was in sync with mozilla-central
# [00:28] <RyanVM|afk> not automatically
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# [00:29] <marco> ok, thanks
# [00:29] <RyanVM|afk> np :)
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# [00:29] <bholley> gavin: ping
# [00:31] <bholley> hm, bsmedberg and bz are both away
# [00:31] <bholley> who else wants to talk about appshell?
# [00:31] <markh> bholley: gavin is away too
# [00:32] <bholley> NeilAway: ping
# [00:32] <bholley> NeilAway is actually probably the perfect person to talk to
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# [00:33] <bholley> sigh
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# [00:34] <NeilAway> bholley: pong
# [00:34] <bholley> NeilAway: got a few to talk about appshell?
# [00:34] <NeilAway> bholley: I guess so
# [00:35] <bholley> NeilAway: so, nsXULWindow::Destroy: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/xpfe/appshell/src/nsXULWindow.cpp#405
# [00:35] <bholley> NeilAway: the first thing we do is to unregister the window from the appshell service, which ends up firing "domwindowclosed"
# [00:36] <bholley> NeilAway: "domwindowclosed" can run script, and in the bug I'm investigating, that script sets up some XUL panels on a window
# [00:36] <bholley> NeilAway: then, shortly thereafter, nsXULWindow::Destroy() calls mWindow->Show(false);
# [00:36] <bholley> NeilAway: which tears down any XUL panels in the runtime
# [00:37] <bholley> NeilAway: so the primary solutions I can see are to delay "domwindowclosed", or to call Show(false) earlier
# [00:37] <bholley> NeilAway: could we fire domwindowclosed async? Or would that break too much stuff?
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# [00:38] <NeilAway> bholley: you mean that Show tears down XUL panels in unrelated windows?
# [00:38] <bholley> NeilAway: yes. The panel manager service is static
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# [00:39] <bholley> NeilAway: this is the stack I see: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/2936722
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# [00:40] <bholley> NeilAway: nsXULPopupManager is a singleton AFAICT, and the call to RollupPopups provides no mechanism to disambiguate windows
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# [00:41] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/dfdb69b6dfd3 - Geoff Brown - Bug 900664 - Skip testImportFromAndroid on x86 emu; r=jmaher
# [00:41] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/c456e82b5e07 - Geoff Brown - Bug 899605 - Update testBrowserProvider for Jellybean; r=lucasr
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# [00:44] <WeirdAl> Hi, folks - I have an addon bootstrap script to show a notification, but it doesn't seem to be working... http://pastebin.mozilla.org/2936725
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# [00:44] <WeirdAl> it's not throwing exceptions, it's just not showing the user the "Hello World" notification
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# [00:49] <@njn> ehsan: JSAutoCompartment is defined in jsapi.h. If you only need the declaration, you can forward declare it, but otherwise you need jsapi.h. I have a patch splitting it into a different header. What file are you looking at?
# [00:50] <@njn> |JavaScript Error: "NS_ASSERT is not defined"| -- what do I need to import into a .js file to allow NS_ASSERT to work?
# [00:51] <NeilAway> bholley: I'm not sure delaying Show will work, since on Windows the rollup occurs when the widget is destroyed, which happens a little later
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# [00:51] <@njn> debug.js, perhaps
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# [00:51] <bholley> NeilAway: we wouldn't be delaying Show, we'd be doing it sooner
# [00:51] <bholley> NeilAway: before domwindowdestroyed is fired
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# [00:51] <NeilAway> bholley: but you'd still be destroying the widget later
# [00:52] <NeilAway> bholley: which is my point
# [00:52] <bholley> NeilAway: ah! It's different on Windows?
# [00:52] * bholley missed that the first reading
# [00:52] <NeilAway> bholley: sorry for mixing up delaying Show with delaying domwindowdestroyed
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# [00:53] <bholley> NeilAway: ok, so could we make domwindowdestroyed async then?
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# [00:53] <NeilAway> bholley: http://mxr.mozilla.org/comm-central/source/mozilla/widget/windows/nsWindow.cpp#6459 is where it happens on Windows
# [00:53] <NeilAway> bholley: session restore, jetpack, probably tests...
# [00:54] <jez> NeilAway: is that maintenance service windows-only?
# [00:54] <NeilAway> jez: iirc it is, but you don't want me
# [00:54] <jez> well you're the one with seamonkey knowledge
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# [00:54] <NeilAway> jez: "maintenance service" is not SeaMonkey knowledge
# [00:55] <jez> say seamonkey were to implement it
# [00:55] <jez> what would the purpose be?
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# [00:55] <bholley> NeilAway: could move the rollup call on windows?
# [00:55] <NeilAway> bholley: so I guess you get to change the script that sets up the xul panels?
# [00:56] <bholley> NeilAway: you mean change the test?
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# [00:56] <bholley> NeilAway: I guess I could. Seems suboptimal though...
# [00:56] <NeilAway> bholley: well, I'm not sure why we're closing windows and opening popups, so
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# [00:57] <jez> NeilAway: would it literally be just to stop UAC popping up every time there was an update?
# [00:57] <bholley> NeilAway: it's just a test that resolves a promise in a domwindowclosed handler
# [00:57] <NeilAway> bholley: you could wait for xul-window-destroyed, you wouldn't have to worry about any more rollups after that point
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# [00:58] <NeilAway> jez: that's my understanding of what its purpose is, yes
# [00:58] <bholley> NeilAway: hrm, ok. Thanks for the help
# [00:58] <jez> NeilAway: does that mean it wouldn't get used on Linux? so it's a windows only thing\/
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# [00:58] <jez> ?
# [00:58] <NeilAway> jez: I have no association with it, I'm working entirely on hearsay
# [00:58] <jez> so who does know
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# [01:00] <glandium> bholley: pong
# [01:00] <bholley> glandium: I needinfoed you on the bug
# [01:00] <NeilAway> jez: well, you could always try finding the bug that added it
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# [01:01] <jez> bug #
# [01:01] <jez> bug #481815
# [01:02] <@njn> I've added this to TelemetryPing.js, to make the NS_ASSERT call work:
# [01:02] <@njn> Cu.import("resource://gre/modules/debug.jsm");
# [01:02] <@njn> but I get an error at startup
# [01:02] <@njn> NS_ERROR_FILE_NOT_FOUND
# [01:02] <WeirdAl> njn - what're you trying to do?
# [01:02] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/3f307f37b77a - Justin Lebar - Bug 906912 - Add move constructors to mozilla::LinkedList and mozilla::LinkedListElement. r=waldo
# [01:02] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/bb557a5557c2 - Justin Lebar - Bug 909977 - Rename mozilla::Move to mozilla::OldMove, and make mozilla::Move a synonym for std::move(). r=waldo
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# [01:02] <@njn> WeirdAl: justuse NS_ASSERT in TelemetryPing.js
# [01:03] <WeirdAl> well, do you want a real assertion a la nsIDebug, or just an alert?
# [01:03] <@njn> WeirdAl: it's already used, but that path is never actually hit because it's NS_ASSERT(false, "...")
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# [01:03] <jez> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=578683&action=diff
# [01:03] <@njn> WeirdAl: not sure; I don't know much about this stuff
# [01:03] <jez> guess it looks like it's Firefox only
# [01:03] <@njn> WeirdAl: but it's something that should really never happen
# [01:03] <jez> only browser/... gets affected
# [01:03] <jez> everything under browser/ is firefox only isnt it?
# [01:04] <@njn> WeirdAl: and if it does, I want to know about it
# [01:04] <WeirdAl> njn - well, if you want to trigger a break just like C++'s NS_ASSERTION, that's one thing
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# [01:05] <@njn> WeirdAl: debug.js says " If the condition is false, then the message will be printed to the console and an alert will appear showing a stack trace, so that the (alpha or nightly) user can file a bug containing it."
# [01:05] <@njn> WeirdAl: that sounds appropriate for what I want
# [01:05] <reuben> ehsan_: ping
# [01:05] <WeirdAl> njn - ah, you want resource://gre/modules/debug.js, not .jsm
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# [01:05] <NeilAway> jez: I think Thunderbird ported bits of it later
# [01:05] <@njn> WeirdAl: argh, that's it
# [01:06] <WeirdAl> :)
# [01:06] <jgilbert> Waldo, we're going to need ieee 16-bit float (un)packing for webgl. Is this a thing that should go into mfbt/FloatingPoint.h?
# [01:06] <@njn> WeirdAl: I should have seen that
# [01:06] <@njn> WeirdAl: thanks
# [01:06] <NeilAway> jez: but the title seems to answer your platform question ;-)
# [01:06] <jez> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=581990&action=diff#a/browser/app/profile/firefox.js_sec2
# [01:06] <Waldo> jgilbert: ...16-bit floats are a thing?
# [01:06] <jez> i see #ifdef MOZ_MAINTENANCE_SERVICE
# [01:06] <jgilbert> Waldo, on mobile, yeah
# [01:06] <Waldo> jgilbert: that seems like the right place, certainly
# [01:06] <jez> could it be that that const is defined on firefox builds and not seamonkey builds?
# [01:06] <jgilbert> alright, I'll get that part of the patch split off and over to you
# [01:06] <Callek> jez: I can tell you for _sure_ we don't have that defined for Seamonkey
# [01:07] <jez> ok so that seems to confirm it's not in seamonkey
# [01:07] <Waldo> jgilbert: we might do well to make all the existing code templatized on floating-point type size, so that there's one implementation of it all for float, double, and half-float
# [01:07] <Callek> jez: the Maint service needs signed builds if we want to use it securely.
# [01:07] <Waldo> jgilbert: not sure if it's truly worth the effort, to be sure
# [01:07] <jez> Callek: i don't really see the major issue with popping up UAC to update anyway
# [01:07] <NeilAway> jez: http://mxr.mozilla.org/comm-central/source/mail/confvars.sh#15
# [01:07] <Callek> jez: iirc we can use it without signed builds, if we configure stuff right, but that config is designed only for testing because its insecure
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# [01:08] <Callek> jez: we absolutely do not want to allow a way to privelage escalated install software if we didn't sign that software as "from us"
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# [01:08] <jgilbert> Waldo, not a bad idea
# [01:08] <jez> Callek: yeah but the whole principle is questionable. i mean all this just to avoid the odd UAC prompt?
# [01:08] <jgilbert> Waldo, at least it should make it consistent! :P
# [01:08] <Waldo> :-)
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# [01:08] <jez> and on other OSes, you won't be able to avoid the problem (actually how the heck does updating work on Linux?)
# [01:08] <Waldo> jgilbert: I guess if we're really going to have three of these, probably we should -- with just float/double it's iffy, but three is kinda overmuch
# [01:08] <Callek> jez: well the maint service allows more than just avoiding the UAC prompt, but the underlying security feature needs us to sign ;-)
# [01:09] <jgilbert> Waldo, well it looks like it's just doubles in there atm, though?
# [01:09] <jez> Callek: but the long and short of it is that the service isnt installed even on windows, for seamonkey, at the moment>?
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# [01:09] <Callek> jez: correct, we don't ship it or install it on SeaMonkey Windows
# [01:09] <Waldo> jgilbert: 'tis; I am aware of places right now where people have used the double versions with floats, tho, because it happened to work even if it wasn't entirely optimal, necessarily
# [01:10] <Callek> jez: when I also get around to shipping it I'd need to make sure it doesn't conflict in any way with the service for Firefox :-)
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# [01:10] <jez> how does updating work on linux BTW? i'm talking about manually-compiled builds, not stuff from repos
# [01:10] <@njn> WeirdAl: ok, that's a pretty noisy assertion failure! great :)
# [01:10] <Waldo> jgilbert: I assume it's not acceptable to just let the 16-bit half-floats convert upward to double?
# [01:10] <jez> do you have to run as root to be able to update?
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# [01:10] <Callek> jez: depends on where you install it, you can install the tar.gz bundle somewhere only your user has access to, then you don't need sudo/su to update
# [01:11] <Callek> if its installed in a root owned place, then you need root perms to update
# [01:11] <WeirdAl> njn - if you want even more noise, look up the nsIDebug.idl file >:)
# [01:11] <WeirdAl> >:D
# [01:11] <jez> Callek: yeah actually i ISTR that there is a bug with that, in that if you try to update and you're not root, the update just hangs instead of giving an error msg
# [01:11] <jgilbert> Waldo, we don't even have a float16 type though, do we?
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# [01:12] <jez> Callek: hanging-or-not would be a factor of the mozilla code
# [01:12] <jgilbert> Waldo, opengl has float16 types
# [01:13] <jez> the code can detect when it doesnt have permission and not hang
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# [01:43] <+efaust> sfink: are you a king?
# [01:44] <sfink> if you scope the kingdom small enough, anyone can be king
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# [01:44] <sfink> but that would be "royal privilege", fwiw
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# [01:46] <atravesser> Q: I often create my own attributes or properties for XUL elements in addons that are not documented. I have seen this done in other addons as well. Is this in danger of some future restriction?
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# [01:50] <mbrubeck> atravesser: Restriction? No -- the main risk would be that it conflicts with some new standard attribute. But since XUL isn't really evolving fast (or at all), I wouldn't worry about this much.
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# [01:52] <atravesser> Okay, thanks. I try to name them uniquely, so I guess I'm pretty safe.
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# [01:57] <seth> where is nsAdoptingCString defined?
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# [01:59] <khuey> seth: basically, yeah
# [01:59] <seth> khuey: anyhow, thanks =)
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# [02:00] <Waldo> maybe
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# [02:37] <RyanVM> bz: yep, our commit hooks definitely appear to not catch the rebase bug
# [02:37] <RyanVM> https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/fx-team/annotate/b7df57dc193e/widget/gonk/HwcComposer2D.cpp
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# [02:44] <jcranmer|away> Waldo: I love your transparent photo of Monarch Pass :-)
# [02:44] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/47180a284986 - Seth Fowler - Backout bug 867183 due to intermittent oranges. (See bug 910533.) r=me
# [02:44] <Waldo> jcranmer|away: :-)
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# [02:45] <Waldo> jcranmer|away: yeah, I wish I'd been able to take a picture...but no
# [02:45] <Waldo> Google Maps and such indicate that there's really not a whole lot to see up there, so I didn't miss too much
# [02:45] <@njn> is it just me, or is DXR's interpretation of ' ' as "or" utterly insane?
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# [02:46] <Waldo> njn: seems perfectly cromulent to me
# [02:46] <@njn> hey, DXR! I just want to search for "using namespace js" without having to break out a regexp
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# [02:46] <jcranmer> njn: what it actually does, IIRC, is such for each word in the file independently and highlight files that contain all 3
# [02:47] <jcranmer> to be fair, I didn't write the search
# [02:47] <@njn> jcranmer: wow, that's even worse than I thought
# [02:47] <jcranmer> njn: there's plans to rewrite the UI, and that part of it will be fixed IIRC
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# [02:48] <@njn> jcranmer: basically, I pretty much always use regexps now; I've also learned to avoid the "regexp" box on the right, 'cos it's behaviour is incomprehensible
# [02:48] <Mook_as> "using namespace js" (with the quotes) seems to work
# [02:48] <jcranmer> I just automatically start typing regexp:/
# [02:49] <@njn> Mook_as: interesting, thanks
# [02:49] <@njn> jcranmer: yeah
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# [02:55] <nrc> I use the quote marks, that should probably be the default behaviour
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# [02:59] <marco> is it possible to return a promise in a xpcom component?
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# [02:59] * @njn would love to be able to edit comments in bugzilla within a short time of posting them; hacker news does this
# [03:00] <glandium> njn: but mail is already sent
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# [03:01] <@njn> glandium: if the time is short enough, mail could be delayed... like gmail's "undo" :)
# [03:01] <seth> so delay the email for a couple of minutes. i'd like this, too
# [03:01] <@njn> even 30 seconds would help
# [03:01] <@njn> I'm sure it's just a minor modification :P
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# [03:09] <jcranmer> njn: bug 540 I believe
# [03:10] <@njn> jcranmer: I'm asking for something smaller :)
# [03:10] <@njn> jcranmer: it wouldn't help with trolls, for example
# [03:10] <@njn> jcranmer: just immediate "oh shit I didn't mean that" mistakes
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# [03:11] <jcranmer> njn: half the people in bug 540 just want that
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# [03:11] <@njn> jcranmer: oh, I didn't actually *read* the bug
# [03:11] <jcranmer> it's kind of the central bug for all bikeshedding on any editing in comments
# [03:11] <jcranmer> njn: I have
# [03:11] <@njn> it's venerable
# [03:11] <jcranmer> I've also read all the comments in the bring-back-mng bug
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# [03:12] <jcranmer> at least, all of them as of 3 years ago
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# [03:12] <@njn> comment 143 is a good one
# [03:12] <jcranmer> "
# [03:12] <jcranmer> See comment 710 and comment 723 and stop adding new noxious gas to this bloated corpse of a bug."
# [03:12] <jcranmer> brendan++
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# [03:13] <jcranmer> [of course, I think the next comment has to one-up that: "stop trolling, please"]
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# [03:14] <jcranmer> no new comments in a year? I'm surprised
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# [03:18] <@njn> jcranmer: which bug are you looking at?
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# [03:30] <jcranmer> njn: the restore-mng bug
# [03:30] <jcranmer> mng is the id
# [03:30] <jcranmer> 760-odd comments
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# [03:30] <jcranmer> which I believe is the record, if you exclude TBPL obt
# [03:31] <@njn> nice
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# [03:35] <darktrojan> wow that bug is so long it triggers the background drawing glitch
# [03:35] <kbrosnan> several times over
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# [03:36] <@bz> hrm
# [03:36] * @bz needs a newer compiler on Linux
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# [03:39] <glandium> bz: how old is yours?
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# [03:39] <@bz> glandium: gcc 4.4
# [03:39] <glandium> ah
# [03:40] <@bz> glandium: I mean, this is a Fedora 12 box. ;)
# [03:40] * @bz pulls and build clang
# [03:40] <glandium> bz: you were asking for it :)
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# [03:42] <@bz> glandium: <shrug>
# [03:42] <@bz> glandium: I update Linux when it becomes totally unusable
# [03:42] <@bz> glandium: because when I update it it becomes totally unusable for a bit until I put in the time to fix all the stuff that people broke
# [03:43] <@bz> glandium: and I'd rather do that as rarely as posssible. :(
# [03:43] <@bz> Granted, most of my experience here is with Fedora
# [03:43] <@bz> and RedHat
# [03:43] <@bz> Maybe Debian or Ubuntu manage better....
# [03:44] <glandium> fwiw, i'm running debian unstable, and i don't remember the last time i had something broken
# [03:44] <glandium> otoh, i'm not using much besides a terminal, a tiling window manager, and firefox
# [03:44] <glandium> and a build toolchain, obviously
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# [03:45] <@bz> glandium: right
# [03:45] * +benjamin notes that ed is never unstable
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# [03:45] <@bz> glandium: Breakage from whole-system updates for me usually has to do with things like X, Russian keyboard support, window managers no longer being available or being broken....
# [03:45] <seth> it's the standard, after all
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# [03:45] <@bz> glandium: terminals and compilers tend to not break. ;)
# [03:46] <@bz> benjamin: I've done my time editing things with ed
# [03:46] <glandium> bz: ah, i have japanese input, too
# [03:46] <@bz> benjamin: I would not care to go back to it. ;)
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# [03:46] <+benjamin> really? how so?
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# [03:48] <@bz> This one time I was not quite sober
# [03:49] <@bz> and did an rm -r * in /usr/lib on a solaris box
# [03:49] <@bz> You will note that after this only statically linked binaries will work
# [03:49] <@bz> (Oh, I did that as root, obviously)
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# [03:50] <@bz> Some web searching on another machine indicated that I did have two statically linked binaries at my disposal on Solaris (yay!)
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# [03:50] <khuey> karl: did my comment in that bug seem like a sensible explanation?
# [03:50] <@bz> one was a binary that could do mv/cp/rm (with symlinks and argv[0] introspection to see which it should do)
# [03:50] <@bz> and one was ed
# [03:50] <+benjamin> I'm curious as to how ed helps you recover from that !
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# [03:50] <@bz> So then it was a matter of using ed to edit up some config files
# [03:51] <@bz> and then reboot into the network installer and pull down new stuff from the network
# [03:51] <@bz> (there was a server with all this stuff hanging out on it on the network)
# [03:51] <+benjamin> ah
# [03:51] <glandium> is there a no-break for columns in html?
# [03:51] <+benjamin> good story :)
# [03:51] <@bz> So pretty limited use of ed
# [03:51] <@bz> But still not that much fun.
# [03:51] <@bz> Especially when not quite sober.
# [03:52] <RyanVM> jdm <3
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# [03:52] <sicking> RyanVM: i'm not sure that we know that that fixes things
# [03:53] <jdm> sicking: I'm pretty confident
# [03:53] <sicking> jdm: awesome
# [03:53] <jdm> we now use the same timing facilities for the cors cache and timers
# [03:53] <jdm> so there's no reason they should be out of sync
# [03:53] <sicking> jdm: very exiting. Interseting that that makes a difference
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# [03:53] <jdm> my tests indicated that PR_Now was reporting a time earlier than expected, given how long we were supposed to pause for
# [03:54] <khuey> jdm++
# [03:54] <khuey> for taking this off my hands
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# [03:54] <sicking> indeed, props to jdm for taking care of this
# [03:55] <+felipe> if I have [optional] in an .idl argument, doesn't that make nullptr a default arg for C++ callers?
# [03:55] <sicking> felipe: yes
# [03:55] <sicking> felipe: oh
# [03:55] <sicking> felipe: no
# [03:56] <sicking> felipe: only for JS callers
# [03:56] <sicking> felipe: use WebIDL, then you can do whatever you want in the C++ class
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# [03:57] <+felipe> sicking: ok thanks
# [03:58] <+felipe> nice selling of WebIDL, btw :)
# [03:58] <+felipe> i'm only changing an existing function, but otherwise i'd do it :)
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# [04:07] <jdm> sicking: does your r+ from before I posted the patch count as the r+ for the patch?
# [04:07] <jdm> oh, you already did it
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# [04:07] <jdm> nevermind
# [04:07] <sicking> jdm: it does, but i already r+'ed the patch :)
# [04:07] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/9ff6833625a2 - Masayuki Nakano - Bug 910156 Add AssignKeyEventData() and AssignMouseEventData() for sharing the code in nsDOMEvent::DuplicatePrivateData() and nsDelayed*Event r=smaug
# [04:08] <Waldo> jdm: what was being used before, what's being used now?
# [04:08] <jdm> Waldo: PR_Now before, TimeStamp::NowLoRes now
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# [04:08] <sicking> i'm wondering if one intentionally measure wallclock and the other CPU-clock?
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# [04:09] <jdm> sicking: I don't think that's the difference, but TimeStamp is definitely monotonic, while PR_Now makes no such guarantee
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# [04:10] <sicking> jdm: doesn't that only affect someone manually changing the clock?
# [04:10] <jdm> potentially
# [04:10] <jdm> PR_Now also has a lower resolution, afaik
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# [04:11] <sicking> i doubt lower resolution can cause a .1 second error
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# [04:13] <mjrosenb|ARM> kbrosnan: hey, you were able to reproduce the bug!
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# [04:15] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/8a6ed3ef085a - Mike Hommey - Bug 717538 - Enable crash reporter in application.ini with MOZ_CRASHREPORTER instead of MOZILLA_OFFICIAL. r=ted
# [04:15] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/86f568d2d467 - Mike Hommey - Bug 910074 - Move crash reporter annotations added in bug 867530 after both SetExceptionHandler call and xpcom initialization. r=ted
# [04:15] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/4e521461b8da - Mike Hommey - Bug 909077 - Remove useless STATIC_DIRS and EXTERNAL_DIRS variables. r=gps
# [04:15] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/82379a4b4063 - Mike Hommey - Bug 910096 - Treat js/src differently from other "static" directories. r=gps
# [04:15] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/8e76a8ebcf76 - Mike Hommey - Bug 907957 - Detect if a segfault signal handler is useless. If it is, disable on-demand decompression. r=nfroyd
# [04:15] <Waldo> sicking: last I looked, there's actually no way to measure CPU time while ignoring clock-changes, DST changes, suspends, etc. :-\
# [04:15] <seth> what's the coolest way to combine two nsresults?
# [04:15] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/d153003b80e3 - Mike Hommey - Bug 910248 - Add a crash report annotation indicating when the signal handler can't get the crash address. r=ted
# [04:16] <seth> i know there's some macro for it but i'm totally blanking on the name
# [04:16] <Waldo> seth: "combine"?
# [04:16] <Waldo> bitwise-or will preserve the success/failure bit, but the result is gobbledygook
# [04:16] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/4c42249311ee - Josh Matthews - Bug 686828 - Make the CORS reply cache use a monotic clock that agrees with the clock used to control timers in tests. r=sicking
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# [04:17] <sicking> Waldo, jdm: So still confusing to me how the two functions can generate a result that is .1s off each other
# [04:17] <seth> seth: it's fine if one failure is arbitrarily chosen to be reported. the main thing is that failure should be an absorbing state
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# [04:18] <seth> i was advised to use bitwise or before and i remember that not compiling
# [04:18] <Waldo> seth: oh, you need to cast to uint32_t or so a few times because nsresult's a macro
# [04:18] <Waldo> er
# [04:18] <Waldo> enum
# [04:18] <Waldo> if there's a macro for that, I don't know it
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# [04:18] <karl> khuey: yes, your comment is helpful thanks; i don't know much about what the deadlock detector does, but that sounds very plausible to me
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# [04:19] <khuey> karl: basically it remembers every lock ordering it's ever seen
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# [04:19] <khuey> karl: and then if you order them differently in a way that could potentially deadlock it yells and screams
# [04:19] <RyanVM> avih: ping
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# [04:20] <khuey> karl: so if we create lots of different orders and it has to search through all of them it gets slow :-/
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# [04:20] <karl> khuey: does it clear locks at some point?
# [04:20] <seth> Waldo: heh thanks. there should be one if there isn't. i vaguely remember using one like 6 months ago, but it may be a false memory
# [04:20] <@bz> hrm
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# [04:20] * @bz wonders why clang is getting system headers for gcc not its own
# [04:20] <Waldo> seth: keep in mind I don't XPCOM much, so my lack of knowledge doesn't say much :-)
# [04:21] <khuey> karl: presumably
# [04:21] <seth> well i imagine if it was well known someone would've jumped in by now =)
# [04:21] <khuey> karl: cjones was the expert :-(
# [04:21] <karl> khuey: perhaps when there are no locks in existance, at least
# [04:21] <sicking> bz: thanks for jumping on that .close() bug with bholley!
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# [04:21] <@bz> sicking: It's an incredible PITA
# [04:21] <sicking> bz: I'm glad we're moving forward with getting APIs onto workers
# [04:22] <@bz> sicking: I've spent a good chunk of the last two days on it
# [04:22] <sicking> bz: we can still probably get help from front-end if you think that's better
# [04:22] <sicking> ?
# [04:22] <@bz> sicking: we run different BC tests on different platforms
# [04:22] <@bz> sicking: I can't build on Linux, apparently
# [04:22] <@bz> sicking: cycle times on try are 4+ hours
# [04:22] <sicking> yeah, that's really sucky
# [04:22] <@bz> I pushed today at "Thu Aug 29 13:00:15 2013 PDT "
# [04:23] <RyanVM> bz: would a loaner slave help?
# [04:23] <@bz> The tests are _still_ pending
# [04:23] <@bz> Not running, pending
# [04:23] <seth> wat: *** Variable LIBRARY_NAME is defined in /Users/mfowler/Code/mozalt/mozilla-central/obj/js/src/Makefile. It should only be defined in moz.build files. Stop.
# [04:23] <RyanVM> for linux?
# [04:23] <@bz> No
# [04:23] <@bz> for Mac
# [04:23] <seth> clobber time i guess?
# [04:23] <@bz> the Linux ones are orange
# [04:23] <RyanVM> oh, ok
# [04:23] <@bz> As are Windows
# [04:23] <RyanVM> yeah, osx slaves are lacking atm iirc
# [04:23] <glandium> seth: backout time, probably
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# [04:23] <@bz> they finished around 1700 hours
# [04:23] <@bz> Anyway
# [04:23] <@bz> I'm down to one test failure
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# [04:24] <@bz> that I can't reproduce locally because that test is totally different on Mac
# [04:24] <glandium> seth: or clobber, actually
# [04:24] <@bz> and I apparently no longer have a working Linux build setup. :(
# [04:24] * @bz really needs to fix that last...
# [04:24] * seth sighs
# [04:24] <@bz> RyanVM: I don't know; I've never used a loaner slave
# [04:24] <@bz> RyanVM: would I just ssh into it and then run stuff?
# [04:24] <jdm> 10 // XXX Forcing log to be able to catch issues in the field. Should be removed
# [04:25] <jdm> 11 // before this reaches the Release or even Beta channel.
# [04:25] <RyanVM> bz: pretty much
# [04:25] <jdm> 12 #define FORCE_PR_LOG
# [04:25] <@bz> RyanVM: and how well does that work for browser-chrome tests over remote X?
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# [04:25] <@bz> RyanVM: then it might help, yes
# [04:25] <glandium> jdm: and it's on release?
# [04:25] <jdm> glandium: Tue Dec 06 12:16:16 2011 +0100 (at Tue Dec 06 12:16:16 2011 +0100)
# [04:25] <@bz> RyanVM: at least in terms of shortening the code/test cycle and maybe even being able to debug
# [04:25] <jdm> that's the hg blame
# [04:25] <RyanVM> bz: I think remote desktop is possible too?
# [04:25] <RyanVM> Callek ^ ?
# [04:26] <glandium> jdm: maybe it's patched out in release? (although i don't believe it is)
# [04:26] <Callek> RyanVM: I'm sorry whats the question
# [04:26] <glandium> jdm: note we have macros for such conditionals, now
# [04:26] <@bz> Callek: can I get a loaner Linux slave?
# [04:26] <RyanVM> what capabilities do loaner slaves have?
# [04:26] <@bz> Callek: and if so, how well would it work for running a browser from Boston? ;)
# [04:26] <RyanVM> bz: you can always get one, just file a releng bug
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# [04:27] <RyanVM> linux slaves are ec2, so availability shouldn't be an issue
# [04:27] * @bz would rather still get his build environment working
# [04:27] <Callek> bz: yes, and well...
# [04:27] <@bz> I don't understand why clang/llvm did not install headers...
# [04:28] <khuey> dealing with the slaves is a PITA these days
# [04:28] <Callek> bz: https://wiki.mozilla.org/ReleaseEngineering/How_To/Request_a_slave
# [04:28] <khuey> since they don't have external network access
# [04:28] <khuey> IIRC the testers don't have gcc installed
# [04:28] <khuey> etc
# [04:28] <@bz> um
# [04:28] <jdm> sicking: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/nsprpub/pr/include/prtime.h#137
# [04:28] <@bz> So there is no slave I can both compile and run the test on?
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# [04:29] <khuey> well you can run on a builder but if you're trying to reproduce on specific hw ...
# [04:29] <glandium> khuey: i'm not even sure they have gdb
# [04:29] <glandium> istr i had to install it myself
# [04:29] <khuey> yeah wouldn't surprise me
# [04:29] <khuey> more trouble that it's worth imo
# [04:29] <khuey> *than, even
# [04:29] <@bz> hrm
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# [04:29] <glandium> bz: a build slave can run probably tests, but they probably don't have the same env
# [04:29] <@bz> it installed the headers in ${prefix}/lib/clang/3.4/include
# [04:30] <@bz> why is it not picking them up???
# [04:30] <sicking> jdm: crazy stuff :)
# [04:30] <@bz> as in, ending up with the gcc headers
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# [04:31] <glandium> bz: i think that's the expected default
# [04:31] <sicking> jdm: makes me think of: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJp86_tj9KQ :)
# [04:31] <Callek> bz: we can give you two machines, or you can install packages on one-or-the-other... our setup is designed to allow a developer to get exactly what we use in production
# [04:31] <jdm> heh
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# [04:31] <@bz> glandium: which?
# [04:31] <Callek> bz: we give you (the developer) root access that allows you to install/modify the system at-will...
# [04:31] <@bz> glandium: the install location is fine
# [04:31] <khuey> yeah, it's great if you really do need production
# [04:32] <@bz> glandium: not using the headers is ... not? ;)
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# [04:32] <glandium> ah no, it's supposed to use its own headers
# [04:32] <glandium> bz: try clang -v a-simple-source.c
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# [04:32] <@bz> In file included from /home/bzbarsky/mozilla/vanilla/mozilla/build/unix/elfhack/elf.cpp:8:
# [04:32] <@bz> In file included from ../../../../mozilla/build/unix/elfhack/elfxx.h:5:
# [04:32] <@bz> In file included from /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-redhat-linux/4.4.4/../../../../include/c++/4.4.4/stdexcept:38:
# [04:32] <@bz> In file included from /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-redhat-linux/4.4.4/../../../../include/c++/4.4.4/exception:148:
# [04:32] <@bz> const type_info*
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# [04:33] <@bz> glandium: trying
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# [04:33] <@bz> clang version 3.4 (trunk 189634)
# [04:33] <@bz> Target: x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu
# [04:33] <@bz> Thread model: posix
# [04:33] <@bz> Found candidate GCC installation: /usr/lib/gcc/i686-redhat-linux/4.4.4
# [04:33] <@bz> Found candidate GCC installation: /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-redhat-linux/4.4.4
# [04:33] <@bz> Selected GCC installation: /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-redhat-linux/4.4.4
# [04:33] <@bz> #include <...> search starts here:
# [04:33] <@bz> /usr/local/include
# [04:33] <@bz> /home/bzbarsky/CustomBuilds/bin/../lib/clang/3.4/include
# [04:33] <@bz> /usr/include
# [04:33] <@bz> /usr/lcocal/include is empty
# [04:34] <@roc> why oh why does nsTHashtable require a separate Init()?
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# [04:34] <@bz> oho
# [04:34] <@bz> But clang++ now...
# [04:34] <glandium> bz: ah, but clang doesn't come with its own stl headers
# [04:34] <@bz> #include <...> search starts here:
# [04:34] <@bz> /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-redhat-linux/4.4.4/../../../../include/c++/4.4.4
# [04:34] <@bz> /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-redhat-linux/4.4.4/../../../../include/c++/4.4.4/x86_64-redhat-linux
# [04:34] <@bz> /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-redhat-linux/4.4.4/../../../../include/c++/4.4.4/backward
# [04:34] <@bz> /usr/local/include
# [04:34] <@bz> /home/bzbarsky/CustomBuilds/bin/../lib/clang/3.4/include
# [04:34] <@bz> /usr/include
# [04:34] <@bz> yes
# [04:35] <@bz> there we are
# [04:35] <@bz> ok
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# [04:35] <@bz> roc: we should nix it if it's infallible....
# [04:36] <@roc> there are fallible and infallible versions of Init()
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# [04:36] <khuey> it used to be fallible
# [04:36] <khuey> we may have fixed that
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# [04:36] <glandium> bz: use libc++, or upgrade gcc
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# [04:37] <@roc> we could easily have a constructor that takes a fallible_t
# [04:37] <@bz> glandium: how do I use libc++
# [04:37] <@bz> ?
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# [04:38] <glandium> bz: http://libcxx.llvm.org/
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# [04:43] <@bz> man
# [04:43] <@bz> the build instructions for libc++ are pretty inscrutable. :(
# [04:43] * @bz sighs
# [04:44] <@bz> I need gcc 4.7, right?
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# [04:44] <tbsaunde> anything newer than 4.4 is probably fine for now?
# [04:45] <tbsaunde> but 4.7 is probably safest
# [04:45] <@bz> as long as I'm building a new gcc...
# [04:45] <@bz> I might as well do the safe thing if possible
# [04:45] <tbsaunde> yeah, atleast it isn't very hard
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# [04:52] <bajaj> gw280: ping
# [04:52] <bajaj> gw280: can you please help with this asap https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=899702#c15
# [04:53] <khuey> it's a little late for him (11 PM)
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# [04:58] <+felipe> what defines which errors from ErrorList.h will be available in Components.results?
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# [05:01] <@bz> felipe: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/js/xpconnect/src/xpc.msg
# [05:02] <gw280> bajaj: I'll do it first thing tomorrow
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# [05:03] <@bz> except I don't drink coffee....
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# [05:03] * @bz really hopes the gcc 4.7 srpm includes g++
# [05:04] <@bz> looks like no
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# [05:04] <@bz> Or maybe now it does...
# [05:05] <@bz> Ah, the srpm looks like it does
# [05:05] <@bz> and produces separate binary rpms for the two
# [05:05] <@bz> fine
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# [05:07] <philor> mixedpuppy: I think your flyout is open
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# [05:10] <mihneadb> philor: I'll give you a cookie if you pick bug 660788 up
# [05:11] <mihneadb> also red B on m-i
# [05:11] <philor> hey, 660788 did you say your name was? come here often?
# [05:11] <philor> what's your sign?
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# [05:12] <mihneadb> philor: are you asl pls-ing a bug?
# [05:12] <nrc> damn, philor is smooth
# [05:12] <philor> mihneadb: you said to pick it up, I'm trying to pick it up!
# [05:13] <mihneadb> not with those lines you're not!
# [05:13] <mihneadb> also segfault during build step, that's pretty cool https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=27206451&tree=Mozilla-Inbound&full=1#error0
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# [05:15] <philor> wonder if we've bothered filing that
# [05:16] <philor> probably not, odds are we're just retriggering it
# [05:16] <mihneadb> philor: bugzilla says not filed
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# [05:17] <+efaust> just another day in paradise.
# [05:17] <philor> sort of piled-on in bug 905271
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# [05:22] <@bz> Does that mean I can push? ;)
# [05:22] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/14619f24a8a8 - Mihnea Dobrescu-Balaur - Bug 660788 - Turn on parxpc in automation, r=ted
# [05:22] <philor> only after you rebase
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# [05:24] <mihneadb> philor: thanks!
# [05:24] <philor> thank you :)
# [05:24] <@bz> philor: rebasing is easy
# [05:24] <@bz> philor: this is a codegen change
# [05:25] <@bz> philor: and I haven't pushed anything else recently. ;)
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# [05:28] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/ee3a0dcb266b - David Zbarsky - Bug 903277. Support default values other than null for WebIDL unions. r=bzbarsky
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# [05:38] <Callek> ...what is nICEr used for, and is it possible to disable this 3rd party library?
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# [05:40] <@bz> compiling on another machin is a PITA
# [05:40] <@bz> you can't tell by the fan sound whether the compile is done!
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# [05:40] <Callek> bz: you can make it terminal beep though
# [05:40] <mixedpuppy> philor: stop looking at my flyout
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# [05:42] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/195e0c04ae28 - Joshua Cranmer - Bug 906783 - Attempt to detect the standard C++ library version, r=Waldo
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# [05:49] <tbsaunde> jcranmer: stdc++-compat seems to uses actual version macros from libstdc++ fwiw
# [05:51] <jcranmer> tbsaunde: which it has to determine from a program that greps for symbols in the .so library
# [05:52] <jcranmer> tbsaunde: which doesn't work in the case of MFBT's goal of doing only checks by using header files
# [05:52] <@bz> Callek: sure
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# [05:54] <tbsaunde> jcranmer: orly? I assumed that came from including headers
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# [05:54] <@bz> Here's hoping ccache will make it go faster this time
# [05:55] <jcranmer> tbsaunde: yep, rread the makefiles
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# [06:01] <tbsaunde> jcranmer: yeah, I guess beter assumptions result in better comments :/
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# [06:08] <@bz> felipe: It's already a garbage dump...
# [06:08] <@bz> felipe: So possibly.
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# [06:33] <RattyAway> http://mxr.mozilla.org/comm-central/find?text=&string=%2Fsqlite3.c
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# [06:38] <Callek> RattyAway: security/nss is not-only-used-by-us
# [06:38] <Callek> its treated as an external project
# [06:38] <RattyAway> hrm
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# [06:43] <@bz> eternal project, you say?
# [06:44] <Callek> bz: well external-project-from-mc
# [06:44] <Callek> we import snapshots at least :-)
# [06:44] <Callek> anyway, ekr you don't happen to reside in a timezone where you're still awake do you
# [06:44] <Callek> ekr: (aka: ping)
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# [06:46] <@bz> Callek: I said "eternal", very carefully. ;)
# [06:46] <Callek> ahhh that *wasn't* a typo
# [06:46] <@bz> Nope. ;)
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# [07:23] <@roc> we sure do use a lot of hashtables in Gecko
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# [07:35] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/2d20975bbdb9 - Chris Double - Bug 860599 - Use DataSource::CreateFromURI instead of MediaStreamSource - r=cpearce
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# [07:46] <Hughman> njn: I just noted that "Forget this Site" generates lots of heap-unclassified temporarily (about 25-40MB for me)
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# [07:55] <Optimizer> glob: Still no luck on gmail font size issue ?
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# [07:56] <glob> Optimizer, correct :(
# [07:56] <Optimizer> can I help ?
# [07:56] <Optimizer> how*
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# [07:57] <glob> Optimizer, if you can generate html email where <pre> looks sane on both gmail and real email clients (doesn't have to be bugmail), that would be excellent
# [07:58] <Optimizer> where is the code ?
# [07:59] <Optimizer> for the present things
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# [08:33] <@bz> insane
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# [08:33] <@bz> any time you have to use dpkg -x to get files so you can run rpm2cpio to get files...
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# [08:33] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/df48be62a887 - Randell Jesup - Bug 901583: Reapply mozilla patches on top of webrtc.org 3.34, use NEON detection rs=jesup
# [08:33] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/c118114b08f1 - Randell Jesup - Bug 901583: Webrtc updated to 4563; pull made Sat Aug 17 11:00:00 EDT 2013 rs=jesup
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# [09:38] <Mossop> IS it just me or is dump() completely non-functional on Windows now?
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# [09:41] <NeilAway> seth: I thought all those cases were removed when nsresult was made an enum, but I guess you would have to check the relevant bugs to be sure
# [09:41] <KWierso> Mossop: I think(?) it only goes to the terminal?
# [09:41] <Ms2ger> Bonjour
# [09:42] <seth> NeilAway: the macros, you mean?
# [09:42] <seth> NeilAway: btw, epicly late reply =)
# [09:42] <NeilAway> seth: no, the nsresult error merging
# [09:43] <seth> well that's what i mean
# [09:43] <Ms2ger> Yeah, we removed most of those
# [09:43] <NeilAway> seth: your fault for living in the wrong timezone :-P
# [09:43] <Ms2ger> But there were no macros
# [09:43] <seth> haha fair
# [09:43] <seth> just bitwise or, eh?
# [09:43] <Ms2ger> Yep
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# [10:38] <RattyAway> make.py[3]: Entering directory 'c:\t1\hg\objdir-sm\mozilla\js/src'
# [10:38] <RattyAway> c:\t1\hg\comm-central\mozilla\js\src\config\rules.mk:51:4:Variable LIBRARY_NAME is defined in c:/t1/
# [10:38] <RattyAway> hg/objdir-sm/mozilla/js/src/Makefile. It should only be defined in moz.build files
# [10:38] <RattyAway> help?
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# [10:41] <Gijs> RattyAway: clobber.
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# [10:41] <RattyAway> Gijs: again?
# [10:42] <Gijs> RattyAway: was this a clobber build?
# [10:42] <RattyAway> Gijs: we should have a more intelligent build system
# [10:42] * Gijs shrugs
# [10:42] <Gijs> You're complaining to the wrong person :)
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# [10:42] <RattyAway> Gijs: no but clobbering every day is a PITA
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# [10:42] <RattyAway> Gijs: too bad, you're it today.
# [10:42] <RattyAway> tag!
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# [10:46] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/5dbaea63ac14 - Eddy Bruel - Bug 906963 - Add a flag to pauseOnExceptions to optionally ignore caught exceptions.
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# [11:10] <@smaug> Labor Day... what is wrong with May Day
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# [11:12] <NeilAway> MattN: thanks for finding STR for Firefox
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# [11:15] <nrc> what mozconfig magic do I need to add a flag to the c/c++ compiler?
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# [11:16] <+efaust> nrc: you mean like mk_add_options $OPTION?
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# [11:17] <gaston> export CFLAGS=-DFORCE_PR_LOG for example
# [11:17] <gaston> but im not sure this is the blessed way
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# [11:25] <nrc> efaust: does that add the parameter to the call to make or to gcc?
# [11:25] <nrc> gaston: that sounds good, thanks. Blessed is not required :-)
# [11:27] <+efaust> nrc: to make I thinki unfortunately, but you can set make variables, looks like.
# [11:27] <+efaust> probably it's more hassle than it's worth
# [11:27] <nrc> Iok
# [11:27] <nrc> er, ok
# [11:27] <nrc> thanks!
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# [14:13] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/f6d60cfe074c - David Rajchenbach-Teller - Bug 874425 - Ensure that durationMs >= 0. r=yoric
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# [14:36] <Yoric> yzen: pong
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# [14:38] <jesup> blassey_mobile: gcp: FYI, webrtc.org 3.34 landed last night; will be in tomorrow's nightly. Tested on Nexus 10 and Galaxy S4 with local builds. You may want to take a look at an inbound build today (or m-c after it moves there)
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# [14:39] <mfinkle> jesup, we can ping QA
# [14:39] <+avih> RyanVM: (a bit late) pong :)
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# [14:40] <yzen> Yoric: regarding the sqlite js-ctypes: one of the functions takes char** as an arg, so I'm passing one after i create one using charptr_t implementation's address, is there a way to get to the actual value ? btw i could not find osfile's types string..
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# [14:41] <Yoric> yzen: Ah, sorry, that was Type.cstring, not Type.string.
# [14:42] <RyanVM> avih: nvm
# [14:42] <yzen> Yoric: i noticed jstring is used on win though..
# [14:42] <+avih> k
# [14:43] <Yoric> What do you mean "the actual value"?
# [14:44] <NeilAway> aargh I keep forgetting that relative configure still doesn't work :s
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# [14:45] <yzen> Yoric: so this function for example http://www.sqlite.org/c3ref/prepare.html, the Pointer to unused portion argument, i essentially want to test it
# [14:46] <Yoric> But what property do you want to test?
# [14:47] <yzen> Yoric: so i want to test if there is an used portion
# [14:49] <RyanVM> mayhemer: ping
# [14:49] <mayhemer> RyanVM: yep?
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# [14:49] <Yoric> yzen: Note that, in our code, we never use pzTail, we just pass a null pointer.
# [14:49] <RyanVM> mayhemer: bug 783589 - should the test have been re-enabled on Android?
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# [14:49] <Yoric> And, frankly, I have no clue. Does it really metter?
# [14:49] <Yoric> s/metter/matter/
# [14:50] <Yoric> (I mean, this property)
# [14:50] <yzen> Yoric: i guess not :)
# [14:50] <Yoric> :)
# [14:50] <mayhemer> RyanVM: I think it sould, I will push a try run with the test reenabled and see
# [14:50] <mayhemer> should
# [14:50] <mayhemer> RyanVM: I'll let you know
# [14:50] <RyanVM> thanks :)
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# [14:51] <yzen> Yoric: i guess if the querying works it works. so ill use cstring as you suggest in place of charptr_t. thanks
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# [14:51] <Yoric> (both are equivalent, of course)
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# [14:59] <froydnj> RyanVM: so...sqlite 3.8.0 is so stable that we need a 3.8.0.1?
# [14:59] <RyanVM> froydnj: hah, yeah
# [14:59] <catalinn> Hi. I want to use NS_NewProxyInfo function with first parameter of const nsACString &type. The problem I'm facing is that I have const char *type and I want to convert it like this: NS_NewProxyInfo(NS_ConvertASCIItoUTF16(type)... and at build it says: invalid initialization of reference of type ‘const nsACString_internal&’ from expression of type ‘NS_ConvertASCIItoUTF16’. Can anyone help?
# [14:59] <RyanVM> froydnj: funny stuff
# [14:59] <Yoric> What is the right way to deterministically close all tabs at the end of a mochitest-browser?
# [14:59] <RyanVM> froydnj: I like mak's idea :)
# [15:00] <RyanVM> (hence why I didn't even put the r? on the updated patch)
# [15:00] <Yoric> catalinn: I suspect you need to cut the expression over two lines.
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# [15:03] <catalinn> Yoric: :(
# [15:03] <RyanVM> froydnj: hey, it's the most-tested release ever!
# [15:03] <catalinn> other ideas?
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# [15:11] <RyanVM> I love going to planet, seeing someone blogging about the shiny new feature they just landed on inbound....which was already backed out
# [15:12] <edmorley> why are we sending pdfs to all@ :-s
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# [15:13] <froydnj> RyanVM: the shininess, it burns!
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# [15:15] <edmorley> RyanVM: lol
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# [15:16] <RyanVM> edmorley: whee, it landed with the wrong bug # too
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# [15:17] <nemo> So I was comparing: http://tympanus.net/Development/CreativeLinkEffects/
# [15:18] <nemo> in firefox and chrome
# [15:18] <nemo> firefox seems to have some issues on some of them
# [15:18] <nemo> the 2nd one, the rotating box colour
# [15:18] <nemo> the 4th one, the width of the box, when the text is bolded
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# [15:21] <nemo> the 3rd from last one is also pretty messed up
# [15:22] <nemo> oh. I see
# [15:22] <nemo> they render correctly in nightly where I have layers acceleration force-enabled
# [15:22] <nemo> bet that's it
# [15:23] <nemo> css transitions often suffer when acceleration is lacking
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# [15:35] <+daleharvey> Anyone know what tests I should look at for event fluffing / positionedeventtargetting changes?
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# [15:41] <NeilAway> catalinn: if the type is known to be != nullptr then you can use nsDependentCString(type)
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# [15:43] <catalinn> NeilAway: Thank you! it works :)
# [15:44] <NeilAway> bah, why does the build system insist on removing dist/bin (the folder itself) ?
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# [16:07] <mikedeboer> question: I'm looking for official docs on the uplift to Aurora process with Bugzilla, does anyone have a URL handy for me?
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# [16:12] <gfritzsche> mikedeboer: set approval-mozilla-aurora? on the patch in question
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# [16:14] <gabor> mikedeboer: click on 'details' of your patch, set the approval flag, you get a form in the comment box, fill it in, and that's it really...
# [16:14] <johnath> edmorley: ^5 on causing both of us to reply to your post with parenthetical follow ups
# [16:15] <till> mikedeboer: for slightly more info, see https://wiki.mozilla.org/Tree_Rules#mozilla-aurora
# [16:15] <edmorley> johnath: :-)
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# [16:22] <mikedeboer> gfritzsche, gabor, till thanks! I'm ready for it now :)
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# [16:34] <RyanVM> mikedeboer: thank you :)
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# [16:34] <RyanVM> fwiw, once it gets approval, I'll take care of landing it for you
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# [16:35] <mikedeboer> RyanVM: \o/ great team, we are.
# [16:35] <RyanVM> mikedeboer: i'm leaving it to you to go through the other various findbar.xml intermittents though :P
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# [16:40] <edmorley> RyanVM: eugh b2g bustage again
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# [16:40] <RyanVM> edmorley: that *might* be fixed on b-i
# [16:40] <RyanVM> let's see what 9b9eaadef752 does
# [16:41] <RyanVM> since it looks maybe-related?
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# [16:41] <edmorley> RyanVM: ah yeah
# [16:41] <mikedeboer> RyanVM: haha, how generous of you :) however, this one will fix the others too.
# [16:42] <edmorley> RyanVM: frustrating that things like that can break mutiple trees
# [16:42] <RyanVM> mikedeboer: still need to close them out :)
# [16:42] <RyanVM> mikedeboer: you break it, you buy it :)
# [16:43] <mikedeboer> RyanVM: oooh, the logic of this all!
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# [16:43] <yzen> Yoric: hi, if i need unsigned char* can i still use cstring ?
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# [16:44] <Yoric> yzen: "unsigned char*"?
# [16:44] <Yoric> What API is that?
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# [16:44] <yzen> Yoric: const unsigned char *sqlite3_column_text(sqlite3_stmt*, int iCol);
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# [16:47] <matthewgertner> does it seem plausible that the behavior of panel.sizeTo() changed in Firefox 23?
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# [16:47] <matthewgertner> it seems to move the panel now in some circumstances
# [16:47] <Ms2ger> yzen, what's the memory management story?
# [16:48] <Yoric> yzen: I'm pretty sure that |cstring| would work, too.
# [16:48] <yzen> Ms2ger: trying to add js-ctypes bindings for sqlite3, the above api is for reading text from a column
# [16:49] <NeilAway> matthewgertner: ok, so about this database you're deleting
# [16:49] <matthewgertner> NeilAway: yes?
# [16:49] <matthewgertner> I moved it out of the extension directory
# [16:49] <Yoric> yzen: "unsigned char" is basically a char, with some specification on how it should be used for arithmetics.
# [16:49] <matthewgertner> I'm not sure what the problem was but I struggled with it for probably a whole day
# [16:49] <matthewgertner> closing the DB and it was still locked
# [16:49] <matthewgertner> seems to be working now
# [16:50] <yzen> Yoric: thanks ill try that
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# [16:50] <matthewgertner> (asyncClose + blocking callback)
# [16:50] <NeilAway> matthewgertner: well, remind me not to install any of your add-ons
# [16:50] <matthewgertner> NeilAway: I don't understand the issue
# [16:51] <NeilAway> matthewgertner: I don't understand why you want to delete this database
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# [16:51] <Yoric> matthewgertner: Well, asyncClose has changed this week, if that's the question.
# [16:51] <matthewgertner> Yoric: how did it change?
# [16:51] <matthewgertner> NeilAway: the add-on creates a database used for internal purposes
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# [16:51] <matthewgertner> when it is uninstalled, it deletes said database
# [16:51] <Yoric> matthewgertner: Well, it moved off the main thread.
# [16:51] <matthewgertner> can you explain to me what the issue is?
# [16:51] <matthewgertner> Yoric: yeah that might help
# [16:51] <NeilAway> matthewgertner: well, yes, what you're saying makes no sense
# [16:52] <NeilAway> matthewgertner: why are you creating the database in the first place?
# [16:52] <matthewgertner> NeilAway: to store stuff in
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# [16:52] <NeilAway> matthewgertner: well if it's so important to store stuff, why are you deleting it?
# [16:52] <matthewgertner> the stuff is important to the addon
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# [16:52] <matthewgertner> when the add-on is gone, the stuff is not important anymore
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# [16:53] <matthewgertner> seems straightforward to me
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# [16:53] <matthewgertner> if an add-on creates some data and is uninstalled, it should leave it there?
# [16:53] <matthewgertner> wouldn't that lead to more and more crud building up in your profile directory?
# [16:54] <NeilAway> matthewgertner: how much data are we talking about anyway?
# [16:55] <matthewgertner> NeilAway: could potentially be a non-trivial amount
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# [16:55] <matthewgertner> it depends since our add-on is a framework used by third-party code
# [16:55] <matthewgertner> specifically the API is chrome.storage if you look it up in the Chrome extension documentation
# [16:55] <matthewgertner> we have implemented this API for Firefox
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# [16:55] <matthewgertner> in Chrome the storage for an add-on goes away when the add-on is uninstalled
# [16:55] <matthewgertner> so we are duplicating this behavior
# [16:55] <matthewgertner> I really don't think it's that interesting or controversial
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# [16:56] <matthewgertner> more interesting is that a XUL panel moves when sizeTo() is called
# [16:56] <NeilAway> matthewgertner: does it go away when the add-on is upgraded?
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# [16:56] <matthewgertner> I wonder if it's a new bug in FF 23
# [16:56] <matthewgertner> NeilAway: no of course not
# [16:57] <Yoric> Oh, great, and now I have crashes in nsExceptionManager::SetCurrentException.
# [16:57] * matthewgertner has an idea
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# [16:58] <NeilAway> matthewgertner: so when the add-on using your framework is shut down, it has to look at the flags to see if it's being uninstalled, and if so delete this storage?
# [16:58] <matthewgertner> yes
# [16:58] <matthewgertner> that's exactly what it does
# [16:58] <matthewgertner> it's a bootstrapped extension so it gets a "reason" in uninstall()
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# [16:59] * NeilAway idly wonders whether disabled extensions get uninstall notifications
# [16:59] <matthewgertner> NeilAway: sorry our framework handles the uninstall bit
# [16:59] <matthewgertner> the add-on using our framework doesn't know anything about any of this
# [16:59] <NeilAway> matthewgertner: ah, so it's a separate add-on?
# [17:00] <matthewgertner> NeilAway: our framework lets you run Chrome add ons in Firefox
# [17:00] <NeilAway> matthewgertner: you just want to know when the other one is uninstalled so that you can close and delete your file?
# [17:00] <matthewgertner> we wrap the Chrome add-on in an XPI
# [17:00] <matthewgertner> when the XPI is uninstalled, the data created by the Chrome add-on is removed
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# [17:01] <NeilAway> matthewgertner: ok, so you're calling asyncClose, and then in the callback you want to delete the file, and you can't?
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# [17:02] <matthewgertner> NeilAway: the problem is that asyncClose is called in shutdown()
# [17:02] <matthewgertner> since it has to happen even on disable
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# [17:02] <NeilAway> matthewgertner: sorry, I thought you were only concerned about uninstalling this other add-on
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# [17:06] <NeilAway> matthewgertner: so do you never get the callback?
# [17:06] <matthewgertner> I do
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# [17:06] <NeilAway> matthewgertner: but you can't remove the file?
# [17:06] <matthewgertner> yeah
# [17:06] <matthewgertner> but now it seems to work
# [17:06] <NeilAway> matthewgertner: and the close was successful?
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# [17:06] <matthewgertner> might be cause I moved the file out of the extension directory
# [17:06] <matthewgertner> as far as I can tell, close was successful
# [17:07] <NeilAway> matthewgertner: well, sounds like a bug to me, I would have thought you should be able to remove the file from the callback
# [17:07] <matthewgertner> even if it's in the extension directory?
# [17:07] <Yoric> What could call nsExceptionManager::SetCurrentException to crash? http://pastebin.mozilla.org/2940831
# [17:08] <matthewgertner> gotta go deal with my daughter
# [17:08] <matthewgertner> I'll be back online in a bit
# [17:08] <NeilAway> Yoric: wait, signal SIGKILL?
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# [17:08] <Yoric> Oh, I hadn't noticed.
# [17:08] <Yoric> Yeah, seems to be SIGKIL.
# [17:08] <Yoric> Yeah, seems to be SIGKILL.
# [17:08] <matthewgertner> NeilAway: one other thing I changed is that I was using createStatement instead of createAsyncStatement with executeAsync
# [17:08] <matthewgertner> dunno if that was somehow relevant
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# [17:09] <Yoric> So I might be looking at the wrong stack.
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# [17:09] <Yoric> Can I open a crash dump with lldb?
# [17:09] <Yoric> Ah, never mind, the file is auto-erased.
# [17:09] <NeilAway> Yoric: I think you have to use the breakpad tools
# [17:10] <Yoric> NeilAway: But that means doing make buildsymbols, which takes ages, doesn't it?
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# [17:11] <NeilAway> Yoric: no idea, I prefer to debug on Windows, if I can stand the build times ;-)
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# [17:12] <Yoric> Well, off I go with buildsymbols.
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# [17:14] <mayhemer> RyanVM: I've sent you an email (reaction to new MozBuild release), please check on it
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# [17:20] <romaxa> mhoye@mozilla.com - is it fake or real man?
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# [17:21] <mhoye> totes real!
# [17:21] <mhoye> I don't spend a lot of time calling myself a "real man", but I'm definitely nonfictional.
# [17:22] <Ms2ger> mhoye, are you really?
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# [17:22] <mhoye> I don't know?
# [17:23] <mhoye> I've led a pretty charmed life, so if not, I'm the luckiest brain-in-a-jar out there.
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# [17:26] <mhoye> Here, let's split the difference. You can interact with me, and even if I don't pass the Turing Test, I'll at least try to be interesting.
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# [17:26] <RyanVM> mayhemer: received, thanks
# [17:27] <abr> mhoye: Do you wish to be able to pass the Turing Test, you'll at least try to be interesting?
# [17:27] <mayhemer> RyanVM: no rush, I realized later it's not MozillaBuild issue, but probably some change in the tree
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# [17:27] <RyanVM> mayhemer: the second issue is from hg
# [17:27] <mayhemer> RyanVM: yes
# [17:27] <RyanVM> i see that with newer versions too
# [17:28] <mayhemer> RyanVM: hmm... a known hg bug?
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# [17:28] <RyanVM> but just so we're on the same page - the *xpcshell* issue reproduces on older versions too? Your second email said mochitest, so I want to be sure
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# [17:30] <mhoye> abr: so good.
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# [18:03] <@bz> from mozprofile import Profile, Preferences
# [18:03] <@bz> ImportError: cannot import name Preferences
# [18:03] <@bz> what the?
# [18:03] * @bz is running ../obj-firefox/_virtualenv/bin/python
# [18:04] <@bz> But I also get the same thing with make TEST_PATH=browser/components/sessionstore/test/browser_354894_perwindowpb.js -C ../obj-firefox/ mochitest-browser-chrome
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# [18:08] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/1364bc5d422c - Jason Orendorff - Change some utility macros to parenthesize properly. No bug#, rs=till via IRC.
# [18:08] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/b37239067bff - Jason Orendorff - Bug 909757 - Silence "warning: empty character constant" in builtin/String.js. r=till.
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# [18:13] <matthewgertner> NeilAway: anyway I had problems with the DB even after I moved the file out of the extension directory
# [18:13] <matthewgertner> and I'm not entirely sure what fixed it… one of those problems that just went away in the course of trying a bunch of stuff
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# [18:15] <@bz> Ok
# [18:15] <@bz> so how do I run our tests? :(
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# [18:17] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/473246820226 - Wes Kocher - Bug 911042 - Uplift Add-on SDK to Firefox r=me
# [18:17] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/cebff70a8801 - Ed Morley - Merge latest green fx-team changeset and mozilla-central
# [18:17] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/7fbbfe346cad - Tim Taubert - Bug 910161 - Remove nsIHistoryEntry and replace it with nsISHEntry; r=bz
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# [18:17] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/10e9f1f0b992 - Shane Caraveo - bug 910741 fix opening tabs from clicked links in share panel, r=felipe
# [18:18] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/d5dbccdf39fe - Tim Taubert - Backed out changeset 10e9f1f0b992 (bug 910741)
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# [18:24] <@bz> mach works
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# [18:43] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/56ba00a6ad0d - Bobby Holley - Bug 910863 - Skip firing the operation callback if a debugger is attached. r=mrbkap,glandium
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# [18:46] <froydnj> edmorley: it's the simplest changes that always cause the most problems :(
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# [18:50] <edmorley> froydnj: oh ha thought I'd gotten away with it ;-)
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# [18:51] <edmorley> froydnj: my mistake for not noticing "if you are logged in" on https://wiki.mozilla.org/Bugzilla:REST_API:Objects#User
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# [19:15] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/465dc782f78b - Kyle Huey - Bug 909563: Part 1 - Fix whitespace in Bindings.conf. r=bz
# [19:15] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/b4cca2e1de74 - Kyle Huey - Bug 909563: Part 2 - Remove a couple unneeded annotations. r=bz
# [19:15] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/c8d9f8d017a1 - Kyle Huey - Bug 910930: Use AutoSyncLoopHolder in URL. r=bent
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# [19:15] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/3fe712f62ccf - Kyle Huey - Bug 910926: Add some threadsafety assertions for microtask counting. r=smaug
# [19:15] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/ccec6887d0c4 - Kyle Huey - Bug 909563: Part 3 - Rename nsDOMParser and drop Bindings.conf annotations. r=bz
# [19:15] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/9fa41054b0dc - Kyle Huey - Bug 907914: Turn on refcounting threadsafety assertions in opt trunk builds. r=bent
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# [19:15] <khuey> \o/
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# [19:16] <froydnj> khuey: nice!
# [19:17] <@ehsan> khuey: \o/ indeed
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# [19:20] <jdm> RyanVM|Sheriff: :O
# [19:20] <jdm> "approval-mozilla-beta+"
# [19:20] <Ms2ger> khuey, nice! No more nsDOMParser!
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# [19:21] <WeirdAl> Hi, guys. Reposting a question from last night: why won't my popup notification show up from a bootstrap.js file? http://pastebin.mozilla.org/2936725
# [19:22] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/c7dcecd40428 - Trevor Saunders - bug 846185 - don't call into js when creating accessibles r=surkov, smaug
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# [19:22] <khuey> Ms2ger: yeah now it's mozilla::dom::DOMParser :-P
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# [19:22] <RyanVM|Sheriff> thanks again!
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# [19:54] <whimboo> hi, have we already started to implement ecma6 features like default arguments for functions=
# [19:54] <whimboo> ?
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# [19:54] <Mook_as> whimboo: yes.
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# [19:55] <whimboo> Mook_as: sweet. specifically for that? i haven't found a bug
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# [19:55] <Mook_as> all I know is that it seemed to work when I tried it.
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# [19:59] <Ms2ger> whimboo, yeah, we do
# [19:59] <bhearsum> bbondy: got a minute for a signmar question?
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# [20:00] <bbondy> bhearsum: sure np, shoot
# [20:00] <whimboo> Ms2ger: found it this moment https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/JavaScript/Reference/default_parameters
# [20:00] <whimboo> in since Firefox 15
# [20:00] <bhearsum> bbondy: what does "could not init config dir" mean? i'm hitting this on one machine but not another, and other than verifying permissions (which i did) i'm not sure what it could mean
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# [20:01] <bbondy> bhearsum: that's an nss config dir issue
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# [20:02] <bbondy> usually means that it can't find the nss config dir
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# [20:02] <bbondy> or an inalid path was specified for it
# [20:02] <bhearsum> hrm.
# [20:02] <bbondy> bhearsum: which command are you issuing exactly?
# [20:02] <bhearsum> /tools/signmar/bin/signmar -d /builds/signing/dep-key-signing-server/secrets/mar -n dep1 -s /tools/signing-test-files/test.mar /tmp/tmp_NjGMd/test.mar.tmp2
# [20:03] <bbondy> so the -d param is either not right, or doesn't exist maybe?
# [20:03] <bhearsum> /builds/signing/dep-key-signing-server/secrets/mar exists and is readable by the user running signmar (as well as the three .db files inside)
# [20:03] <bhearsum> i don't think so...http://pastebin.mozilla.org/2941643
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# [20:04] <NeilAway> WeirdAl: you haven't given the notification an anchor, or something
# [20:05] <WeirdAl> NeilAway: that simple? From perusing PopupNotifications.jsm, it looked like the anchor was optional
# [20:06] <bbondy> bhearsum: if (NSSInitCryptoContext(NSSConfigDir)) {
# [20:06] <bbondy> fprintf(stderr, "ERROR: Could not init config dir: %s\n", NSSConfigDir);
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# [20:07] <bhearsum> bbondy: and that translate to "can't read directory or file inside of it"?
# [20:07] <@bz> gavin: ping
# [20:07] <bbondy> bhearsum: well it is the function you call to tell nss which db to use, I've seen it I think when I put a bad config dir there
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# [20:08] <bbondy> bhearsum: try putting an invalid path to the -d param, does it give the same error?
# [20:08] <bhearsum> yeah
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# [20:08] <bbondy> bhearsum: more specifically NSSInitCryptoContext maps to SECStatus status = NSS_Initialize(NSSConfigDir,
# [20:08] <bbondy> "", "", SECMOD_DB, NSS_INIT_READONLY); with failure
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# [20:09] <bbondy> maybe nss doen't open it if the dir has too much permissions?
# [20:09] <bhearsum> huh
# [20:09] <bbondy> maybe needs to be read only?
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# [20:10] <bhearsum> doesn't look like changes the dir or file permissions helped - but now i'm curious what they are on a machine where this works
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# [20:11] <bhearsum> looks like it's all 700/600 there
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# [20:11] <bhearsum> maybe i'm running a different signmar on each machine
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# [20:12] <bbondy> bhearsum: maybe but I don't think there's ever been any fixes to any nss init problems
# [20:12] <bhearsum> bbondy: huh, looks like this broke at some point
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# [20:13] <bbondy> failing everywhere?
# [20:13] <bhearsum> the working one is running a pretty old signmar, and if i copy it to the other machine it works fine
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# [20:13] <bbondy> how about the one you were using?
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# [20:13] <bhearsum> it still doesn't work
# [20:13] <bbondy> was it a recent build I mean?
# [20:13] <bhearsum> oh
# [20:13] <bhearsum> yeah, the one i was using was built a couple of months ago - i can probably dig up the exact revision if you want
# [20:14] <bhearsum> it's probably > 1y newer than the working one
# [20:14] <bbondy> bhearsum: so I guess use the old one but could you post a bug for me and I'll investigate if it's a problem with tip
# [20:14] <bhearsum> yeah
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# [20:14] <bhearsum> i'll try to dig up the exact revs of both
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# [20:14] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/41a898465636 - Guillaume Abadie - bug 911199 - Bug fix on GL version comparaison causing crash on devices supporting OpenGL ES 3.0 - r=bjacob
# [20:14] <bbondy> we have a bunch of tests for this stuff so either those aren't running or it is working with tip
# [20:15] <bbondy> or something changed with nss internally and it needs some fixes in its usage in between
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# [20:15] <bbondy> thanks
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# [20:15] <bhearsum> yw, thanks for your time
# [20:15] <bhearsum> i don't think i can test tip today, but i'll get the bug on file and try to come back to that
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# [20:17] <bbondy> bhearsum: I can take the next steps on it if you file for me
# [20:17] <bbondy> and I'll re-ping you if I need you to try, which I'll do if I can't reproduce on tip
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# [21:14] <@ehsan> baku: ping
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# [21:14] <baku> ehsan, pong
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# [21:14] <@ehsan> baku: hey! I'm looking at the DataStore patches
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# [21:14] <@ehsan> what's the deal with the optional patch there?
# [21:14] <baku> ehsan, wow thanks!
# [21:14] <baku> ehsan, ignore it.
# [21:14] <@ehsan> no worries :)
# [21:14] <@ehsan> ok!
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# [21:15] <@ehsan> baku: so, do you just need reviews on parts 3 and 5?
# [21:15] <WeirdAl> DataStore?
# [21:15] <@ehsan> I'm going to have to look at all of them anyway
# [21:15] <@ehsan> WeirdAl: v
# [21:15] <@ehsan> sorry
# [21:15] <@ehsan> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=871445
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# [21:15] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/cc61aa3e37ff - George Wright - Bug 899702 - Only attempt load of egltrace.so when a pref is set. r=vlad, a=bajaj
# [21:15] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/a6e22d5df20c - Josh Matthews - Bug 686828 - Make the CORS reply cache use a monotic clock that agrees with the clock used to control timers in tests. r=sicking, a=bajaj
# [21:15] <baku> ehsan, yep. all the patches have been reviewed by mounir. What I would like to have is an additional feedback about indexedDb.
# [21:16] <baku> ehsan, then there was a race condition. read comments. now that should be fixed but... you know, that stuff is always tricky
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# [21:16] <baku> WeirdAl, yep it's something for b2g. we need an API to share data between apps.
# [21:16] * WeirdAl shakes his head
# [21:16] <froydnj> abr: for a moment there, I thought your dev-platform post was displaying things how they actually were on Pravda
# [21:16] <abr> Ha!
# [21:16] <baku> WeirdAl, :)
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# [21:16] <@ehsan> baku: sounds good
# [21:16] <baku> WeirdAl, https://wiki.mozilla.org/WebAPI/DataStore
# [21:17] <abr> froydnj: No, they get their encoding right.
# [21:17] <WeirdAl> it's just that I implemented something inhouse with that name but a totally different purpose only a couple weeks ago
# [21:17] <@ehsan> baku: hopefully I'll finish it today
# [21:17] <WeirdAl> it won't be a conflict though
# [21:17] <baku> ehsan, wonderful.
# [21:17] <baku> WeirdAl, ah... is it for a b2g app?
# [21:17] <WeirdAl> no
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# [21:18] <abr> froydnj: But I have been in a series of long discussions with the RFC editor (the publishing body that edits and distributes IETF's documents) about a modernization effort, and we're encoutnering some pretty relevant difficulties in our proposal to allow UTF-8 characters in the text format documents.
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# [21:18] <WeirdAl> just the coincidence of the name raised an eyebrow, that's all
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# [21:19] <baku> WeirdAl, hehe
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# [21:19] <WeirdAl> I really miss mainstream trunk development
# [21:20] <abr> mhoye: Well played, sir. Well played.
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# [21:21] <bhearsum> er, whatever tool it is that i need to use
# [21:21] <bbondy> bhearsum: nah I'll do that when I work on the bug
# [21:22] <bbondy> thanks for offering though
# [21:22] <bbondy> it's probably best that all machines use the same signmar anyway
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# [21:33] <khuey> bsmedberg: reping?
# [21:33] <@bsmedberg> khuey: repong ;-)
# [21:33] <@ehsan> baku: I'm commenting on the other patches too, hope you wouldn't mind :)
# [21:33] <KWierso> RyanVM|brb: I'll get a patch version of bug 886329 in just a bit
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# [21:33] <KWierso> should apply cleanly for both aurora and beta
# [21:33] <baku> ehsan, please do!
# [21:33] <khuey> bsmedberg: so nsIExceptionManager
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# [21:34] <khuey> bsmedberg: would you have a problem with me nuking that?
# [21:34] <@ehsan> baku: what is "exposeObject"?
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# [21:34] <@bsmedberg> khuey: I don't *think* so, but I don't actually know anything about it
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# [21:35] <baku> ehsan, ok, how DataStore is written is based on exposing XPConnect wrapper
# [21:35] <baku> ehsan, https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/XPConnect_wrappers
# [21:35] <khuey> bsmedberg: the only useful thing is seems to expose is the ability to peek at or fiddle with the current XPConnect exception
# [21:35] <khuey> to addons
# [21:35] <baku> in a follow up I'll convert it to WebIDL
# [21:35] <@ehsan> baku: thanks! I need to educate myself on that first then :)
# [21:35] <khuey> bsmedberg: I'm inclined not to care ;-)
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# [21:36] <baku> ehsan, basically there is a DataStore object and then it creates a new 'internal object' that is what we expose to content.
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# [21:36] <@bsmedberg> khuey: tell dev.extensions you're doing it, see if you get any feedback, but it sounds ok
# [21:36] <khuey> ok
# [21:36] <khuey> thanks
# [21:37] <@ehsan> baku: makes sense
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# [21:44] <RyanVM|brb> KWierso: thanks
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# [21:44] <KWierso> ugh, need to update aurora on hotel wifi
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# [21:45] <RyanVM|Sheriff> KWierso: if you don't get to it today, it's no sweat off my back
# [21:46] <RyanVM|Sheriff> i'll just push it Tuesday
# [21:46] <KWierso> it'd be nice if it could bake over the weekend, though
# [21:48] <KWierso> RyanVM|Sheriff: if you want to play surgery, it's all of https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/fx-team/rev/d12549fa09c0 except the test-errors.js file
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# [21:49] <Callek> KWierso: depending on how out of date your aurora is you can always grab a bundle over wget, which might be quicker... http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/bundles/
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# [21:52] <@ted> does anyone know who i could rope into reviewing a patch with a mochitest that's e10s heavy?
# [21:52] <@ted> i don't know how this stuff works
# [21:53] <khuey> bent!
# [21:53] <KWierso> Callek: yeah, probably. I'd be all set, but the hotel wifi identifies my virtual machine that has all of my mostly-up-to-date clones as a distinct connection, and wants me to pay 10 euros for the privilege of using the open web on it...
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# [21:53] <+avih> RyanVM|Sheriff: how bad would it be to try and install the new mozillabuild over the existing one? what if i added more stuff to that folder (e.g. pygmentise)?
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# [21:54] <Callek> KWierso: port forward hg.m.o from local to remote (vm) over ssh?
# [21:54] <Callek> KWierso: that would be anoying to do properly but it will work
# [21:54] <RyanVM|Sheriff> avih: it's going to overwrite things
# [21:54] <KWierso> Callek: it looks like you're saying words in english...
# [21:54] <Callek> hahahaha
# [21:54] <+avih> RyanVM|Sheriff: i bet it will :) question is if that could also be a bad thing?
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# [21:55] <RyanVM|Sheriff> avih: you'll lose any modifications you've made to anything (like to msys or hg config files)
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# [21:55] <@ted> avih: i think it deletes the old dir
# [21:55] <RyanVM|Sheriff> I usually just rename my old install, install the new one, then copy the custom stuff over
# [21:55] <@ted> to be safe
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# [21:55] <RyanVM|Sheriff> and I save copies of all modified files to another location so I don't forget what all needs updating
# [21:56] <RyanVM|Sheriff> ted: btw, your colorize changes behave very badly with the default Windows command prompt
# [21:56] <@ted> who uses the windows command prompt?
# [21:56] <RyanVM|Sheriff> puts a bunch of crap at the beginning and end of each line
# [21:56] <RyanVM|Sheriff> anyone who uses default mozillabuild...
# [21:56] <@ted> er
# [21:56] <+avih> RyanVM|Sheriff: yeah, iirc i did something similar the last time i updated MB. is there an easy way to detect the custom stuff? e.g. by diffing vs a fresh install of the older MB?
# [21:56] <@ted> it wfm
# [21:56] <Callek> RyanVM|Sheriff: wait default mozbuild is default win prompt?
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# [21:57] <@bz> gavin: ping
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# [21:57] <KWierso> transaction abort!
# [21:57] <KWierso> :|
# [21:57] <@bz> or anyone else familiar with closeWindow in globalOverlay.js
# [21:57] <RyanVM|Sheriff> Callek: it opens bash, but it's still cmd.exe
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# [21:57] <RyanVM|Sheriff> ted: it does crap like this - "←[0;34;1;4mdbg/log-thread-name.patch←[0m"
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# [21:58] <@ted> RyanVM|Sheriff: it wfm, do you have weird options in your mercurial.ini?
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# [21:58] <@ted> bye
# [21:58] <RyanVM|Sheriff> ok then
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# [21:58] <RyanVM|Sheriff> guess you'll never know
# [21:59] <+avih> :)
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# [21:59] <@bz> gps: ping
# [21:59] <+avih> so, ryan, assuming i haven't kept track of my custom modifications, can i figure out now what are they?
# [22:00] <@bz> or anyone else who knows how make and mach interact
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# [22:00] <KWierso> RyanVM|Sheriff: so here's the raw diff from the pull request: https://github.com/mozilla/addon-sdk/pull/1226.diff
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# [22:00] <KWierso> you should be able to apply it to aurora/beta's addon-sdk/source/ directory
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# [22:01] <Callek> abr: ping?
# [22:02] <abr> Callek: pong
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# [22:02] <KWierso> RyanVM|Sheriff: don't think I'll get anything easier to apply than that until I get home tomorrow
# [22:02] <Callek> abr: sooo, (hrm I may have mispinged, but lets try anyway) ....
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# [22:02] <Callek> abr: Bug 825708 seems to have broken SeaMonkey
# [22:02] <ekr_> Callek: what can I do for you_
# [22:02] <ekr_> _?
# [22:02] <ekr_> :)
# [22:03] <abr> Callek: Looking
# [22:03] <gps> bz: pong
# [22:03] <Callek> ekr_, abr: so I'm looking to find out what this code is used for (as in, what breaks if I disable it), and if I can disable it easily (or if a m-c patch needs to happen to disable/correct it for seamonkey)
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# [22:03] <Callek> I note SeaMonkey _at the moment_ has no ability to get the newer header/libs needed for this, the OS we build on is too old
# [22:04] <ekr_> Do you want WebRTC to work?
# [22:04] <abr> Callek: This is part of the WebRTC code
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# [22:04] <@bz> gps: so I am trying to run a mochitest-browser-chrome test
# [22:05] <@bz> make TEST_PATH=browser/components/sessionstore/test/browser_354894_perwindowpb.js -C ../obj-firefox mochitest-browser-chrome
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# [22:05] <@bz> Traceback (most recent call last):
# [22:05] <@bz> File "_tests/testing/mochitest/runtests.py", line 23, in <module>
# [22:05] <@bz> from automation import Automation
# [22:05] <@bz> File "/home/bzbarsky/mozilla/vanilla/obj-firefox/_tests/testing/mochitest/automation.py", line 34, in <module>
# [22:05] <@bz> from mozprofile import Profile, Preferences
# [22:05] <@bz> ImportError: cannot import name Preferences
# [22:05] <@bz> gps: and the same thing if I manually run the virtualenv python
# [22:05] <@bz> gps: running from the objdir via this:
# [22:06] <@bz> ../mozilla/mach mochitest-browser --no-autorun --keep-open --debugger=gdb browser/components/sessionstore/test/browser_354894_perwindowpb.js
# [22:06] <abr> Callek: Does the patch on Bug 910990 fix the issue for you?
# [22:06] <@bz> gps: does work
# [22:06] <@bz> gps: is this expected?
# [22:06] <@bz> gps: oh, only on Linux; on Mac it all works fine afaict
# [22:06] <fox2mike> gps: you are a fucking rockstar :)
# [22:06] <gps> bz: weird. I'd stop running tests through make targets
# [22:06] <fox2mike> gps: just fyi.
# [22:06] <Callek> abr: oooo I didn't see he wrote a patch!, I or ewong can test it this weekend
# [22:06] <gps> what's wrong with running tests with mach?
# [22:06] <@ehsan> baku: ping
# [22:06] <@bz> gps: I have to be in the obdir
# [22:07] <@bz> er, objdir
# [22:07] <baku> ehsan, pong
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# [22:07] <@bz> gps: so right now this is forcing me to do my code/test cycle in two windows
# [22:07] <Callek> abr: if it works, is the fact that he wrote it and I or ewong test it (+ a try run for sanity) enough to land, or do we need a review from someone?
# [22:07] <@bz> gps: one in the srcdir to do diff and edit and whatnot
# [22:07] <@bz> gps: and one in the objdir to run the test in
# [22:07] <gps> why can't you run mach from the srcdir?
# [22:07] <@bz> gps: which is pretty darned annoying.
# [22:07] <@bz> gps: no, because then it can't find the objdir
# [22:08] <@bz> gps: and telling it which mozconfig to use is a huge amount of typing
# [22:08] <gps> shell alias?
# [22:08] <@bz> gps: for which?
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# [22:08] <@bz> gps: seriously, are the make targets supposed to work or not?
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# [22:08] <gps> MOZCONFIG=path/to/mozconfig mach foo
# [22:08] <@bz> gps: if they're _not_, we should stop pretending like they are and remove them
# [22:09] <gps> the make targets are pseudo-deprecated
# [22:09] <@bz> gps: and then I'll write whatever new tooling I need to write on top of mach to make it usable for me
# [22:09] <gps> they've been preserved so developers aren't forced to change
# [22:09] <ekr_> gps: is the intention that we are going to *have* to use mach in the future?
# [22:09] <@bz> gps: if they're supposed to work, they should work
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# [22:09] <@bz> gps: we should pick one or the other
# [22:09] <@bz> gps: because the current setup wastes more time than a one-time switchover
# [22:09] <gps> ekr_: for tests, mach will eventually be required
# [22:09] <@bz> gps: it's like the worst of both worlds
# [22:10] <gps> bz: fine. I'll post to lists about deprecating the make test targets
# [22:10] <@bz> gps: the path to mozconfig is different depending
# [22:10] <@bz> gps: and is a lot more typing than the relative path to the objdir
# [22:10] <mhoye> abr: Thanks!
# [22:10] <gps> bz: i'd like to make that workflow better
# [22:10] <abr> Callek: I think this needs an r+ from a build peer? I'm not familiar with what's required to get approval for build system changes in the tree.
# [22:10] <ekr_> gps: but not for build? because last time I looked mach was not a complete substitute for make -f client.mk
# [22:10] <@bz> gps: Basically, where I am now is that I had a workflow, and now it breaks about every 2-3 days
# [22:10] <@bz> gps: and takes days to fix
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# [22:10] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/d4141cb0d9cf - Jan Beich - Bug 910875 - Add missing ifdefs to make audio_device work on BSDs. r=jesup
# [22:11] <@bz> gps: If the idea was that we were preserving that workflow, we're totally failing
# [22:11] <abr> mhoye: "Just sit right back and you'll hear a tale, a tale of a fateful trip…"
# [22:11] <Callek> abr: ahh right, so if I get a build peer to review configure, you don't think we'd need explicit review for the addrs.c bit?
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# [22:11] <@bz> gps: If the idea was that we're not preserving it, we should just say that clearly so people stop wasting time on this.....
# [22:11] * @bz is repeating himself now....
# [22:11] <gps> we added deprecation notices to the xpcshell make targets
# [22:11] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/a4252161972b - Jan Beich - Bug 911140 - Fix a typo that prevents libc++ from using C++11 atomics. r=jcranmer
# [22:12] <gps> we just didn't want to rock the boat too much by forcing change
# [22:12] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/6bd785bca4ff - Marco Castelluccio - Bug 910885 - Improve FileUtils.getDir(..., ..., true) performance. r=Yoric
# [22:12] <@bz> well
# [22:12] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/fbef2705edfc - Mihnea Dobrescu-Balaur - Bug 911262 - Use os.kill instead of ctypes in automation.py. r=ted
# [22:12] <@bz> Again
# [22:12] <abr> Callek: Well, actually, we do, because nICEr is a third-party library that we actively upstream to.
# [22:12] <@bz> you've flipped the boat over
# [22:12] <@bz> several times
# [22:12] <gps> the the mochitests broke because of changes in automation land
# [22:12] <abr> Callek: So you need an r+ from me or ekr.
# [22:12] <@bz> "you" being collective, not you personally
# [22:12] <gps> nobody there was using make targets any more
# [22:12] <gps> that really sucked
# [22:12] <RyanVM|Sheriff> KWierso: that's fine, you can just fix it up and push whenever's convenient for you then
# [22:12] <@bz> then bugs get filed and the boart gets flipped back
# [22:12] <gps> i'm still chasing fallout from that change
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# [22:12] <@bz> :(
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# [22:12] <gps> including this
# [22:12] <Callek> abr: ok, feel comfortable pre-emptively doing that r+, or do you feel you need the testing first [I understand either way]
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# [22:13] <gps> we should just kill the make targets
# [22:13] <abr> Callek: And we might need some changes here, since the upstream project (a) doesn't use autoconfig, and (b) wouldn't call its preprocessor defines MOZ_*. :)
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# [22:13] <@bz> What really confuses me is that this still works on MAc
# [22:13] <@bz> er, Mac
# [22:13] <ekr_> abr: exactly
# [22:13] <abr> Callek: Let me think about how this needs to be handled so as to not cause problems.
# [22:13] <@bz> but not Linux, somehow
# [22:13] <Callek> abr: ok, thanks
# [22:14] <@bz> Which channel do frontend folks hang out in?
# [22:14] <RyanVM|Sheriff> fx-team?
# [22:14] <RyanVM|Sheriff> windev
# [22:14] <@bz> RyanVM|Sheriff: perfect, thanks
# [22:14] <Callek> abr: btw do we have a mechanic for moz-side patches here? [I know a bunch of our 3rd party libs do] -- since its reasonable upstream would turn it down since they don't care about the old headers/libs
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# [22:14] <ekr_> gps: this may have gotten lost, but can you confirm that make will continue to work for building for the indefinite future?
# [22:15] <@bz> gps: I guess my problem is that I'm spending several hours each week just dealing with workflow changes/breakage....
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# [22:15] <@bz> gps: which seems like a poor use of my time.
# [22:15] <@bz> gps: and I'm not the only one....
# [22:15] <abr> Callek: In this case, I can guarantee that upstream will take the patch if ekr and I agree on it. It's ekr's codebase, and I effectively have admin rights on the repo. :)
# [22:16] <gaston> edwin: did you finally file a bug for [Child 5729] ###!!! ABORT: ActorDestroy by IPC channel failure at LayerTransactionChild: file /src/mozilla-central/gfx/layers/ipc/LayerTransactionChild.cpp, line 89 ?
# [22:16] <Callek> abr: ahh heh :-)
# [22:16] <gaston> i'm hitting it again when testing/debugging webrtc and its aborting all the time
# [22:17] <Callek> abr: since you need to think on the approach is our testing this current approach still useful?
# [22:17] <gps> ekr_: for building, make will continue to work for the short term future
# [22:17] <abr> Callek: probably.
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# [22:17] <ekr_> gps: can you ensure you fix bug 847175 prior to breaking make
# [22:17] <gps> although that will be deprecated as soon as we can no-op build times down to a few seconds
# [22:17] <gps> yes
# [22:17] <ekr_> great. thanks
# [22:18] <abr> What I'm thinking we probably want to do here is reverse the logic of the macro to something like "#ifdef USING_REALLY_OLD_ETHTOOL", and then never bother defining that in the upstream project. ekr: does that sound reasonable?
# [22:18] <abr> Callek: ^^^
# [22:18] <jesup> gps: do you plan to fix CONFIG_GUESS support?
# [22:18] <ekr_> abr: as long as it doesn;t include MOZ_* specific stuff
# [22:18] <Callek> abr: if the Makefile's are still all moz's we can likely do [pseudocode] if MOZ_VAR_THING; DEFINES+="-DNO_HAS_ETHTOOL_SPEED_HI"| and then in the .c do |ifndef NO_HAS_ETHTOOL_SPEED_HI| or something
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# [22:19] <@bz> gps: I guess in the short term the question is whether I should file a bug on the mochitest make targets not working
# [22:20] <jesup> I have to remove it from my OBJDIRs in mozconfigs if I'm using mach (at least as of sometime in the last week)
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# [22:20] <Callek> abr: basically *I* don't mind the approach if it works, I'll leave implementation up to you/ekr and the build-team 9for configure/global impact things like the define)
# [22:21] <gaston> *** Linux Pulse Audio is NOT supported => will revert to the ALSA API ***
# [22:21] <gaston> grrr.
# [22:21] <abr> Callek: Yeah, I think your approach works fine. I'll comment on the bug and ask Patrick to re-spin it along those lines, and then ask for approval from a build peer and me.
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# [22:27] <gaston> I: [(null)] client.c: Freed 2 "WEBRTC VoiceEngine"
# [22:27] <gaston> I: [(null)] protocol-native.c: Connection died.
# [22:27] <gaston> :(
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# [22:28] <gaston> damn you webrtc :(
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# [22:28] <ekr_> gaston: can you explain how you made that happen
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# [22:29] <gaston> trying to make webrtc talk to pulseaudio
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# [22:29] <ekr_> Shouldn't that be "damn you pulseaudio"?
# [22:29] <gaston> at some point 3 months ago it worked :(
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# [22:30] <jesup> We landed two webrtc.org updates since then....
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# [22:31] <jesup> If I broke it, it was likely in the first one (and at least one pulse-specific patch landed since then, but I don't think that's it)
# [22:32] <gaston> so many tentacles there
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# [22:42] <jez9999> Image placeholders: has there been a change in the default recently?
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# [22:43] <jez9999> i'm sure that you used to have to apply this in a stylesheet to get image placeholders, especially for images with ALT text: img:-moz-broken { -moz-force-broken-image-icon:1; }
# [22:43] <jez9999> otherwise gecko would just render the text
# [22:43] <jez9999> now, it seems to always render the placeholder
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# [22:46] <@bz> jez9999: it depends on the page mode and stuff
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# [22:46] <@bz> jez9999: no recent intentional changes in behavior that I know of....
# [22:46] <jez9999> ahh so you always get them in quirks mode?
# [22:47] <@bz> no
# [22:47] <@bz> it depends on the styles in quirks mode
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# [22:47] <@bz> data:text/html,<img alt="aaa" width=10 height=10>
# [22:47] <@bz> Has a placeholder
# [22:47] <@bz> data:text/html,<!DOCTYPE html><img alt="aaa" width=10 height=10> does not
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# [22:49] <jez9999> well that's turning it into standards mode
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# [22:52] <@bz> Sure
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# [22:55] <jez9999> bz: interesting. even in standards compliance mode, loading images have placeholders
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# [22:55] <@bz> jez9999: yes, to avoid unnecessary reflows
# [22:55] <jez9999> so there is never a circumstance where a loading image has no placeholder; it just appears out of nothing?
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# [23:00] <abr> gps: apropos of your message, is there a plan to add things like clean/distclean to mach at some point?
# [23:02] <gps> abr: if people want them, sure
# [23:02] <abr> Or do we consider those to be the same as clobber?
# [23:02] <gps> abr: |mach build clean| should work today
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# [23:03] <abr> The reason I ask is that, right now, if I try to change from a non-opt build to an opt-build, invoking ./mach build does some pretty inscrutable stuff ending in an error message that suggests I should run "make -f client.mk distclean"
# [23:04] <abr> gps: So if we're moving away from make officially, those probably need to be cleaned up. Although I suppose that's secondary to the fact that I probably shouldn't have to do that when changing between build types.
# [23:04] <abr> ("those" == "the error messages")
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# [23:09] <NeilAway> gavin: would you think there was any point in having findbar history á la serachbar history?
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# [23:12] <NeilAway> RyanVM|Sheriff: I filed a bug on colour in mozillabuild, you should search bugzilla :-P
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# [23:16] <gandalf> I'm getting build error with m-c - http://pastebin.mozilla.org/2942530
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# [23:17] <gandalf> in build/appini_header.py
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# [23:17] <gandalf> "KeyError: 'Crash Reporter:serverurl'"
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# [23:17] <gandalf> any idea what it might be?
# [23:17] <gaston> gandalf: already reported, 911154
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# [23:28] <NeilAway> the advantage of the old build system was that you at least knew which files were responsible for ensuring a particular file got built
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# [23:30] <KWierso> RyanVM|Sheriff: thanks for the uplifts :)
# [23:30] * KWierso needs to get up in 6 hours for the flight home
# [23:30] <KWierso> RyanVM|Sheriff: have a good weekend!
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# [23:36] <gandalf> gaston: thanks
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# [23:36] <gandalf> now I see "Unicode.h:20:1: warning: "__STDC_LIMIT_MACROS" redefined" warnings in every object
# [23:36] <gandalf> Unicode.h:20:1: warning: "__STDC_LIMIT_MACROS" redefined
# [23:36] <gandalf> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/2942627
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# [23:37] <Waldo> gandalf: I wonder if possibly bug 812218 might have anything to do with that
# [23:38] <Waldo> gandalf: mozilla-config.h gets included before that file, now, on b2g
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# [23:38] <Waldo> gandalf: and mozilla-config.h defines __STDC_LIMIT_MACROS, as I recall
# [23:38] <gandalf> yeah, it seems that it does
# [23:38] <gandalf> want me to comment in the bug?
# [23:39] <Waldo> gandalf: doesn't matter, I'm about the only person in it :-)
# [23:39] <Waldo> gandalf: I think you probably want to file a bug to remove the define from the gonk header
# [23:39] <Waldo> because mozilla-config.h is what should be defining that
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# [23:40] <Waldo> note that soon, hopefully, we'll also be defining __STDC_FORMAT_MACROS and __STDC_CONSTANT_MACROS there too
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# [23:41] <gandalf> Waldo: https://github.com/mozilla-b2g/gonk-misc/blob/master/Unicode.h#L20
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# [23:41] <gandalf> does it seem like the right line to point in the bug?
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# [23:42] <Waldo> gandalf: seems reasonable
# [23:42] * Waldo doesn't know if that header is ever included, where mozilla-config.h isn't
# [23:42] <Waldo> if it is, at worst you can do the ifndef/define/endif dance
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# [23:43] <Waldo> but __STDC_LIMIT_MACROS is sufficiently fundamental that if it's not defined as part of the build process on the command line (or in a header first-included through there), it's pretty much going to be useless
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# [23:47] <gandalf> Waldo: bug 911359
# [23:48] <Waldo> gandalf: note that "now" is technically not right -- it's that 812218 changed how the compiler command line is constructed, to put user-defined CFLAGS/CXXFLAGS at the end -- and mozilla-config.h's include is earlier in the command line
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# [23:48] <gandalf> mhm
# [23:48] <Waldo> this meant mozilla-config.h became *always* the first thing included, regardless what people did to CXXFLAGS and such
# [23:49] <Waldo> without that, mozilla-config.h was basically ineffective at its job, because it couldn't add defines and expect them to be in place for all parts of the translation unit
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