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# [01:03] <glandium> romaxa: mozilla-config.h is always included
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# [01:17] <romaxa> glandium: yep I know wonder why do we need that part
# [01:17] <glandium> why do we need what?
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# [01:24] <NeilZZZ> glandium: <romaxa> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/gfx/layers/composite/TextureHost.h#11
# [01:24] <glandium> that's just wrong
# [01:24] * NeilAway can't even work out how that compiles
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# [01:38] <reuben> it's all over gfx/layers too: https://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/24c814a25a79
# [01:41] <tbsaunde> how do you write an include fixing tool that's part of a compiler that doesn't get that right
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# [01:58] <weshmek> I'm running ./mach warnings-list after building and I'm not getting anything. How can I get the compiler warnings? I'm on Windows.
# [01:58] <firebot> Check-in:
# [01:58] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/8f09d30d3571 - Scott Johnson - Bug 794693, part 2: Perform parent reflow state calculation at the box-block interface before setting up child reflow state to prevent crashing when a parent reflow
# [01:59] <firebot> state is assumed to be non-null. [r=dbaron]
# [01:59] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/dfe69eabbe47 - Scott Johnson - Bug 794693, part 1: Refactor nsHTMLReflowState constructor to allow initialization to be done by caller. [r=dbaron]
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# [02:22] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/655ac375b1c7 - ffxbld - No bug, Automated HSTS preload list update from host bld-linux64-ec2-142 - a=hsts-update
# [02:22] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/096801f3b973 - ffxbld - No bug, Automated blocklist update from host bld-linux64-ec2-097 - a=blocklist-update
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# [02:22] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/4ca898d7db5f - Phil Ringnalda - Merge m-i to m-c
# [02:22] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/61a6c74ce93e - Phil Ringnalda - Merge m-c to m-i
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# [02:40] <reuben> weshmek: try looking at $objdir/.mozbuild/warnings-list.json ?
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# [02:51] <ekr> f*** rebasing
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# [02:58] <ckitching> ekr: Aye.
# [02:58] <ekr> If everyone else would just stop writing patches.
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# [03:02] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/29bbbd1de60b - Scott Johnson - Backout 8f09d30d3571 for crashtest orange. [r=me]
# [03:02] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/de783698c0ab - Scott Johnson - Backout dfe69eabbe47 for crashtest orange. [r=me]
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# [03:29] <ckitching> akr: I find there's a sort of critical mass beyond which it's very much worth splitting something into multiple bugs.
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# [03:29] <ckitching> eky: -^
# [03:29] <ckitching> ekr: -^
# [03:29] <ckitching> *facepalm*
# [03:29] <ckitching> Even if this means the first commit doesn't actually DO anything, it just gets some of your code there.
# [03:29] <ckitching> Otherwise it bitrots to death before anyone bothers to land it.
# [03:29] <ckitching> Although the latter is perhaps more of an issue for interns.. :P
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# [03:30] <ekr> ckitching: yeah, the worst part is that I'm the one interfering with myself by sending people incremental patches to finish
# [03:32] <ckitching> ekr: Ah.
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# [03:38] <ekr> which then get landed and....
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# [03:49] <@khuey> 77.67 MB (06.09%) -- window(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jofNR_WkoCE)
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# [03:49] <@khuey> 70.71 MB (05.54%) -- dom
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# [03:58] <reuben> /memory/mozalloc/mozalloc_abort.cpp:40:1: warning: 'noreturn' function does return [enabled by default]
# [03:58] <reuben> uh
# [03:59] <ekr> that's awesome
# [04:00] <reuben> declspec(noreturn) is only used #ifdef _MSC_VER
# [04:00] <reuben> somehow I'm hitting that
# [04:00] <reuben> on OS X…
# [04:02] <firebot> Check-in:
# [04:02] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/6f837a184a90 - Mats Palmgren - Bug 911283 - Introduce nsTArray::SetLengthAndRetainStorage which unlike SetLength does not deallocate/reallocate the internal storage. Use it in NS_FillArray.
# [04:02] <firebot> r=bsmedberg
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# [04:44] <jesup> reuben: it's the Microsoft Mac compiler!
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# [05:18] <ekr> slow build system, oh how I hate you
# [05:24] <KWierso> ekr: I just don't ever build... problem solved :)
# [05:24] <ekr> KWierso: that's certainly a reasonable approach, but makes it hard to land patches
# [05:25] <nrc> only if you make mistakes
# [05:25] <KWierso> I don't do that either :P
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# [05:26] <ekr> nrc: not making mistakes seems like a good idea. could you help me with that?
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# [05:27] <nrc> ekr: sure. it's easy - every time you're about to make a mistake: stop; don't do it; et voila
# [05:28] <ekr> nrc: that's pretty sweet.
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# [05:28] <ekr> … could you come watch me program for a while and point out when I am about to make mistakes? That might help me learn
# [05:29] <nrc> that is what the compiler is for :-p If only it didn't take so long to build....
# [05:29] <reuben> nrc: speaking of mistakes, wat? https://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/gfx/layers/composite/TextureHost.h#11
# [05:29] <ekr> nrc: nice one
# [05:30] <nrc> reuben: couldn't have been me, see above about not making mistakes
# [05:30] <ekr> on a more serious note, does anyone know how to convince mozbuild to build some files in a directory into a library and others into binaries?
# [05:30] <ekr> Like, I have foo.cpp bar.cpp and baz.cpp
# [05:30] <ekr> I want to build baz.cpp into a library and link it into foo and bar
# [05:30] <nrc> reuben: in seriousness, no, that should not be there, oops
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# [05:32] <nrc> or in the other 17 files I pulled it into
# [05:32] <nrc> curses
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# [05:32] <nrc> reuben: I'll fix that up tomorrow morning
# [05:32] <ekr> but when I added a LIBRARY_NAME directive, it took all the .os and stuffed it in there, even ones which were in CPP_UNIT_TESTS
# [05:32] <reuben> :)
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# [05:33] <nrc> reuben: thanks for the heads up!
# [05:33] <reuben> nrc: romaxa is the one who noticed it earlier, you were offline
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# [05:34] <jesup> ekr: they might have to be in separate dirs (though maybe there's a workaround)
# [05:34] <ekr> jesup: yeah, I had thought of that.
# [05:35] <ekr> But I'm really hoping not, since that would make moz.build kind of a step backward from makefiles
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# [05:36] <ekr> I notice that mozbuild doesn't seem to exactly be documented
# [05:36] * jesup wonders if some of the STATIC_LIB stuff would help
# [05:37] <jesup> Don't really know how it works, but do know it exists
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# [05:42] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/69e78915fc92 - Randell Jesup - Bug 904784: use a separate critical section for the recording callback r=mwu
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# [05:47] <jcranmer> ekr: the goal is to eventually support that kind of thing, but it's impossible for the time being
# [05:47] <ekr> jcranmer: ok.
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# [05:47] <ekr> Is there a preferred idiom/workaround?
# [05:47] <ekr> different process?
# [05:47] <ekr> s/process/directory
# [05:47] <ekr> #include <foo.cpp>?
# [05:47] <jcranmer> we can only build one binary per directory, excluding CPP_UNIT_TESTS-ish stuff
# [05:48] <ekr> jcranmer: sorry, that's what I want
# [05:48] <ekr> I want a bunch of CPP_UNIT_TESTS with a helper library
# [05:49] <jcranmer> CPP_UNIT_TESTS can't be mixed with CPPSRCS
# [05:49] <ekr> OK. So is there a preferred workaround?
# [05:50] <jcranmer> separate directories
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# [05:50] <ekr> OK.
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# [05:51] <ekr> That's going to be a bit of a PITA to revert when we fix the buid system to support this
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# [05:52] <jcranmer> I added a configure script to work around our broken build system
# [05:52] <ekr> oh?
# [05:52] <ekr> do tell
# [05:52] <jcranmer> look at how build/clang-plugin works
# [05:53] <ekr> thanks
# [05:53] <jcranmer> (granted, that is an exceptional corner case)
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# [05:54] <ekr> will take a look
# [05:55] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/9e839e0432eb - Jan-Ivar Bruaroey - Bug 903741: Use new DOMError approach in PeerConnection to get error messages out + unittests r=jesup
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# [06:02] <reuben> how long do tbpl "runs" last?
# [06:02] <KWierso> reuben: eh?
# [06:02] <KWierso> stored for 30 days, iirc
# [06:02] <reuben> d'oh
# [06:02] <reuben> KWierso: thanks
# [06:03] <@khuey> they get blown away whenever try is reset
# [06:03] <@khuey> so potentially only hours if you get exceedingly unlucky
# [06:03] <reuben> D: D: D:
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# [06:03] <reuben> even non-try runs
# [06:03] <reuben> ?
# [06:04] <KWierso> I don't think so
# [06:04] <@khuey> no, only try runs get blown away then
# [06:04] * @khuey read tbpl as try
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# [06:05] <ekr> khuey: how long do tbpl results last then? :)
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# [06:05] <@khuey> no idea
# [06:06] <KWierso> ekr: stored for 30 days, iirc
# [06:06] <ekr> KWierso: still pretty good.
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# [06:25] <Srinath> anyone: ping?
# [06:25] <KWierso> Srinath: sup
# [06:26] <Srinath> how do I set the "land-in-fx-team" flag?
# [06:26] <KWierso> Srinath: what bug?
# [06:26] <Srinath> bug # 897697
# [06:26] <KWierso> you'd need the editbugs privilege on bugzilla to set it
# [06:27] <KWierso> Srinath: are you going to address anton's nits before you set the flag?
# [06:27] <Srinath> oh.. I dont see that option in flags and tracking flags.. would it be safe to assume to assume I dont have the editbugs privilege?
# [06:27] <KWierso> it'd go into the whiteboard
# [06:27] <Srinath> I've addressed them and have the patch ready
# [06:28] <KWierso> add "[land-in-fx-team]" to the bug's whiteboard
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# [06:28] <Srinath> okay.. will do that.. :)
# [06:28] <Srinath> thank you KWierso..
# [06:28] <KWierso> yep
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# [11:02] <gaston> hmmm when a merge commit says "merge m-c to fx-team", do commits go both ways, or only in the "commits in m-c not yet in fx-team are merged in the latter" way ?
# [11:03] <gaston> (i'm tracking down a regression, and bisection seems to say that the guilty commit is a merge one.. 416075f77249 to be more precise)
# [11:03] <Manishearth> version control is confusing
# [11:03] <Manishearth> no version control is a disaster
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# [11:20] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/7bf2b6cf8d73 - Andrew Sutherland - backout Bug 784816 https://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/1000c23df772 for breaking multi-process TCPSocket SSL connections
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# [11:42] <nthomas|away> There's some network issues in SCL, bug 913901. Includes some of the machines behind http(s)://hg.mozilla.org
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# [14:29] <RealRaven> ping
# [14:30] <nigelb> pong?
# [14:31] <RealRaven> Do you happen to know whether I can use Sessionstore in Thunderbird? - Searching for "Sessionstore;" in mxr c-c only gives back matches from mozilla/browser and suite/browser, does that mean Thunderbird does not use sessionstore to remember the tabs? What else does it use?
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# [14:39] <RealRaven> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/2999961
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# [14:58] <Manishearth> Anyone have any idea what the reporter in bug 913907 is asking about?
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# [15:26] <gaston> so if a merge commit is the cset triggering a regression, how does one find which bug is the guilty one ?
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# [15:27] <reuben> gaston: bisect the merged tree?
# [15:27] <gaston> i'm lost in bisections
# [15:27] <gaston> i already did one on 200 csets..
# [15:27] <gaston> and ended up on that merge commit
# [15:28] <gaston> ( http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/416075f77249 )
# [15:28] <gaston> from that, i'm stuck on which way to go
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# [15:31] <reuben> gaston: can't you bisect the range of merged csets? 5de48b36c574:cd5991a56874
# [15:31] <reuben> https://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/pushloghtml?changeset=416075f77249
# [15:32] <gaston> reuben: does it mean those are all the commits that are 'squashed' in the merge commit ?
# [15:33] <gaston> for example i know cd5991a56874 is good, and its the last cset in that push..
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# [15:58] <Manishearth> How long is mochitest-chrome on toolkit/content/tests/chrome supposed to take?
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# [16:34] <firebot> marco was last seen 1 day, 13 hours, 35 minutes and 46 seconds ago, saying 'fabrice: I think I've found the problem, it's the browser-helper@gaiamobile.org extension that is actually launching the apps' in #gaia.
# [16:34] <reuben> huh. something wrong with the public trigger I guess
# [16:35] <sankha93> hmm, ohk!
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# [17:08] <reuben> /config/makefiles/mozconfig.mk:33: *** Fix above errors before continuing.. Stop.
# [17:08] <reuben> sigh
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# [17:20] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/de783698c0ab - Scott Johnson - Backout dfe69eabbe47 for crashtest orange. [r=me]
# [17:20] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/8f09d30d3571 - Scott Johnson - Bug 794693, part 2: Perform parent reflow state calculation at the box-block interface before setting up child reflow state to prevent crashing when a parent reflow state is assumed
# [17:20] <firebot> to be non-null. [r=dbaron]
# [17:20] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/29bbbd1de60b - Scott Johnson - Backout 8f09d30d3571 for crashtest orange. [r=me]
# [17:20] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/61a6c74ce93e - Phil Ringnalda - Merge m-c to m-i
# [17:20] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/dfe69eabbe47 - Scott Johnson - Bug 794693, part 1: Refactor nsHTMLReflowState constructor to allow initialization to be done by caller. [r=dbaron]
# [17:20] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/7bf2b6cf8d73 - Andrew Sutherland - backout Bug 784816 https://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/1000c23df772 for breaking multi-process TCPSocket SSL connections
# [17:20] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/69e78915fc92 - Randell Jesup - Bug 904784: use a separate critical section for the recording callback r=mwu
# [17:20] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/6f837a184a90 - Mats Palmgren - Bug 911283 - Introduce nsTArray::SetLengthAndRetainStorage which unlike SetLength does not deallocate/reallocate the internal storage. Use it in NS_FillArray. r=bsmedberg
# [17:21] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/9e839e0432eb - Jan-Ivar Bruaroey - Bug 903741: Use new DOMError approach in PeerConnection to get error messages out + unittests r=jesup
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# [17:23] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/e2bf999b8857 - Paul Rouget - Bug 913440 - Implement a pseudo class to highlight element easily. r=bz
# [17:23] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/7015fcdd43a2 - Paul Rouget - Bug 912915 - Implement a simple generic highlighter. r=jwalker
# [17:23] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/0899b763a066 - Phil Ringnalda - Merge fx-team to m-c
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# [17:26] <shacharz> Is there an equivalent to the quota management api in Firefox? (I wish to request and know how much available storage I can use for example in indexedDB)
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# [17:33] <imphil> is it normal that the localized fennec nightly builds are all 2 days old? http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/mobile/nightly/latest-mozilla-central-android-l10n/
# [17:33] <imphil> are those builds only triggered sometimes?
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# [17:35] <WG9s> imphil: no it is that the internationalization packaging is failing.
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# [17:35] <imphil> WG9s, ok, thanks. do you know, is there already a bug or should I file one?
# [17:36] <WG9s> imphil: Bug 913842
# [17:36] <reuben> aargh. has anyone here ran mochitests on an android device recently?
# [17:37] <Ms2ger> No
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# [17:37] <WG9s> and less liekly since nightly builds no longer work.
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# [17:38] <imphil> WG9s, thanks. Great regression range in that bug ;(
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# [17:39] <reuben> I just built fennec, but I don't see an .apk on the objdir, and when I try to run tests I get /config/makefiles/mozconfig.mk:33: *** Fix above errors before continuing.. Stop.
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# [17:40] <Ms2ger> Pastebin the actual error?
# [17:40] <WG9s> well, perhaps during a non-weekend period someone will come forward who knows hos this\without needing to depend on finding a aggressor bug.
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# [17:41] <WG9s> OK, was trying to say Someone will know how to fix this without finding the regressor bug (my typing really sucks).
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# [17:42] <reuben> huh. I ran ./mach build again and now at least it does something
# [17:42] <gfritzsche> hm, any known infra issues re "abort: no space left on device"? https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=93b2c8529e66
# [17:42] <reuben> https://pastebin.mozilla.org/3001070
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# [17:43] <reuben> huh. make mochitest-remote doesn't work if the MOZCONFIG env var is set
# [17:43] <Ms2ger> gfritzsche, ask #it or #releng, I think
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# [17:53] <reuben> ah, there we go :D
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# [17:54] <senicar> hi, I'm developing a bootstraped addon, where I need to validate a mouse click target element. I do this with "event.target instanceof window.HTMLElement" which works fine in all recent Firefox versions on Linux but it doesn't work in versions 20,21,22 on Windows, it always returns false. However it works in version 23 on Windows. Anybody knows what could be the problem? Thanks
# [17:55] <Ms2ger> File a bug in Core::DOM, please
# [17:55] <Ms2ger> Have you tested trunk?
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# [17:59] <gaston> hmmm if i do an hg revert -r rev, it will revert all the csets on top of the given rev too ?
# [18:00] <gaston> so its not the same thing as taking the set, and passing it through patch -R ?
# [18:00] <reuben> hg revert reverts the entire repo to that cset
# [18:00] <reuben> you want hg backout
# [18:01] <gaston> ah right
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# [18:01] <senicar> Ms2ger: I haven't yet tested on trunk, but I have tested v16 on windows where it works, in v16 it also returns typeof window.HTMLElement as object, where in recent version returns a function. I'll try to test it in trunk as well...
# [18:01] <Ms2ger> senicar, yes, it should return "function"
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# [18:05] <Ms2ger> gaston, does hg bisect --extend work for merges?
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# [18:06] <gaston> i have no idea, and did a manual bisection :)
# [18:07] <gaston> but given what i'm seeing, i'm a bit lost at who is the parent of whom and which cset comes right after which other cset
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# [18:12] <gaston> $hg bisect --extend
# [18:12] <gaston> Extending search to changeset 144473:6ce16afcc8bd
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# [18:12] <gaston> so it found more csets to try... why not :)
# [18:12] <senicar> Ms2ger: I guess that is not the problem, as it also returns a "function" on linux versions where it works just fine. I'll try to make a simple bootstrap extension with this problem and try to file a proper bug report.
# [18:12] <gaston> but i dont understand _at all_ why it goes so far back in history
# [18:12] <gaston> mercurial voodoo
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# [18:16] <shacharz> Hi All, I have a question regarding offline storage: Is there an equivalent to the quota management api in Firefox? (I wish to know how much available storage I can use for example in indexedDB)
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# [18:18] <Ms2ger> senicar, thank you
# [18:19] <reuben> we should name official nightly builds org.mozilla.nightly, not org.mozilla.fennec :(
# [18:19] <reuben> I accidentally deleted my normal browser and its profile
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# [18:26] <NeilAway> do all builds run xpcshell tests or just some of them?
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# [18:30] * philor smells a trick question
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# [18:30] <NeilAway> philor: well, I want to do a try push for an xpcshell test, but not build on platforms that won't actually run the test
# [18:30] <philor> NeilAway: all builds which run tests run xpcshell, except the pointless Android NoIon
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# [18:31] <philor> but a surprising number of non-desktop platforms don't run any tests at all
# [18:31] <NeilAway> philor: right... so should I just stick to the desktop platforms?
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# [18:32] <philor> NeilAway: nope, because you don't want to fail on android opt which does xpcshell just to avoid building android debug and androidx86
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# [18:33] <NeilAway> philor: oh wait, try chooser has n/a for the test queue, duh
# [18:33] <NeilAway> philor: so I want all the builds with a test queue, except noion
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# [18:34] * NeilAway wishes try chooser could figure that out for itself
# [18:34] <philor> NeilAway: personally, I'd skip win64 too
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# [18:34] <NeilAway> philor: ok ta
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# [18:35] <philor> things where normal is 255 failures and a crash don't strike me as very instructive
# [18:35] <Manishearth> GRrrrRRRrrrRRRrrRrrRRrrRRRrrrrrRRRRrrrr\
# [18:35] <Manishearth> Spent half an hour debugging some JS
# [18:35] <ekr> philor: what about 256?
# [18:36] <Manishearth> Only to learn that the preprocessor directive I'd moved into the code was borking everything
# [18:36] <Manishearth> because we have to turn it on for individual files
# [18:36] <Manishearth> (As you may have guessed, I'm a newbie)
# [18:36] <Manishearth> Now I feel stupid. Satisfied, but stupid :p
# [18:37] <WG9s> Just my opinion, I could be wrong, but I thing the issue with our tests is trying to get poeple posting patches to provide tests also.
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# [18:37] * NeilAway thinks that the issue with our tests is that they suck
# [18:38] <WG9s> My opinion is should have been a module owner prividing a test that fials and your patch shoud pass.
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# [18:38] <Ms2ger> Heh
# [18:38] <Ms2ger> You really don't want any patches to land, do you?
# [18:38] <WG9s> any idiot can post a patch and a test that it passes, just sayin!
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# [18:39] <Ms2ger> Right
# [18:39] <WG9s> ms3ger: well just the current test requirment does not seem to be working.
# [18:39] <Ms2ger> It works rather well
# [18:40] <Ms2ger> There are quite a few flaky tests, and a great many more good tests you never hear about
# [18:40] <WG9s> we get stupid tests that result in intermittent oranges and no one seems to know what they are really testing.
# [18:40] <WG9s> but once again just my opinion.
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# [18:43] <WG9s> I used to provide more fixes, but now with this test requirement i do not.
# [18:44] <Ms2ger> Well, with your approach, people would provide more patches, we just wouldn't land any
# [18:44] <Ms2ger> I think you massively overestimate the amount of time the average module owner has
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# [18:45] <gfritzsche> and all those tests save from quite a few surprises ("oh, i'd never have thought my patch could break that!")
# [18:45] <WG9s> I would rather have a identified is broke, this is the test that failed, you need to provide a patch that fixes this without resulting in any additional test failures. I would provide a lot more patches to fix things if we could figure out how to provide that type of environment.
# [18:46] <WG9s> msg2er: then perhaps they shoud delgate better.
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# [18:49] <WG9s> I just think the idea of the person who writes the patch writes the test was a good way to build up the test environment, but weshould be at the point where writing the patch and writing the test should be a completely separate process.
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# [18:49] <efaust> there's no chance of this working, I think. This assumes that a) everyone has full understanding of all the systemic interactions of every piece of code, with perfect predictive power, and b) as already said, that there's infinite time for the module owners
# [18:50] <Gijs> WG9s: that's an interesting idea, but I think your claim that "we get stupid tests that result in intermittent oranges and no one seems to know what they are really testing." is wrong to begin with.
# [18:50] <efaust> these systems are /deeply/ complicated. I think gfritzsche's point is a good one. Often things break that we don't expect to.
# [18:50] <Gijs> People know perfectly well what they're testing
# [18:50] <WG9s> It is really wiritng a patch and writeing a test that passes si easy to do no matter how wrong the patch is.
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# [18:50] <WG9s> Then why do we have so many oring issue test bugs?
# [18:50] <Gijs> it's not always obvious why things fail intermittently (or how to write a test for certain functionality which may be hard to test without using e.g. timeouts)
# [18:51] <Gijs> WG9s: we have reviews to deal with bogus patches and tests.
# [18:52] <Gijs> And then we have a test suite which catches a good deal more. :)
# [18:53] <Gijs> Anyway, sometimes interactions are non-obvious.
# [18:53] <Gijs> Currently, on the Australis branch, a social API test that tests the influence of window resizes on its chat panel stuff is busting up tests for customizable ui (ie changing the buttons on a toolbar)
# [18:53] <Gijs> on OS X only
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# [18:54] <Gijs> Which is in part because we have a funky new toolbar on Australis which moves buttons in and out of the toolbar on a resize if there's no place for them.
# [18:54] <Gijs> Why that's broken after a recent Social API commit? No idea.
# [18:54] <Gijs> But it sure is useful that we have tests that tell us this rather than finding out once the whole thing is already in release.
# [18:57] <WG9s> Gijs: not trying to say we are not doing this entirely the best possible\ way. Just saying we seem to lately be running into a lot of issues that maybe should suggest a re-think.
# [18:57] <Gijs> lately?
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# [18:57] <Gijs> Have you got data from e.g. orangefactor to back up that assertion?
# [18:58] <ekr> I don't think it's really practical to have module owners write the tests. At least, not if you want patches to land.
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# [18:59] <WG9s> Gijs: ;-) So I take it you have thought this also, just no better approach has come up. Good to think people are at least thinking about his.
# [18:59] <ekr> Rather, I would expect them to verify that the patch comes with tests that test the right things.
# [18:59] <Gijs> WG9s: uh, no. I actually think the situation is way better than it used to be.
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# [18:59] <ekr> That's what we largely do in WebRTC. You'll get a patch with some tests and the review will say "please also test this"
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# [18:59] <Gijs> I don't think it's worsened recently. If you have data that shows otherwise, I'd be interested, hence my asking.
# [19:00] <WG9s> Gijs: It is way better than it used to be, was just suggesting that now that we are at this poingt perahps a way to make it better. and realized that it might not relly work.
# [19:01] <Gijs> WG9s: and yeah, as for the module owner's role... I suggest you ask gavin, the Firefox module owner, if he'd like to write all the tests under browser/* from now on. ;)
# [19:01] <WG9s> weell i know his opinon on that.
# [19:02] <WG9s> but my opinion is more bugs being kind of on the idea of mentored bugs
# [19:02] <WG9s> here is someitng that fials here is a test that fails fix this.
# [19:02] <WG9s> si kind of what i was looking towards.
# [19:03] <WG9s> and gee my typing really sucks today.
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# [19:03] <ekr> WG9S: that implies a really high degree of centralization
# [19:03] <WG9s> i guess
# [19:04] <ekr> As the reviewer for a fairly large chunk of code, if you counted on me to do this, you would basically never get any patches written
# [19:04] <WG9s> but that is kind of what I would like to work on. becuase of limited time i have
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# [19:04] <WG9s> a bug with a test that needs ot pass to fix and you need to amke sure all the other parts of the normal test suite also pass
# [19:04] <ekr> Well, there are plenty of bugs with STR
# [19:05] <WG9s> easier for me to contribute to that kind of issue.
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# [19:05] <ekr> And many of them have reduced test cases.
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# [19:05] <WG9s> here is an issue, here is the test you need to pass makes it much easier for me to contribute and help fix.
# [19:06] <ekr> WG9s: right, and there are a lot of such bugs
# [19:07] <Gijs> WG9s: there are also a lot of "todo"s in tests (the middle number on TBPLs a/b/c reporting)
# [19:07] <Gijs> most should have corresponding bugs
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# [19:07] <Gijs> Those are quite literally what you just described.
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# [19:10] <Gijs> (erm, s/middle/last/, oops)
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# [19:15] <fabrice> Ms2ger: there is no "null" value usable as a default for DOMStrings in webidl dictionaries?
# [19:15] <Ms2ger> fabrice, only if you make them nullable
# [19:16] <Ms2ger> fabrice, "DOMString?"
# [19:17] <fabrice> Ms2ger: ok thanks
# [19:18] <Ms2ger> Np
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# [19:18] <Ms2ger> (You'll never get a void string unless you use the ?)
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# [19:21] <ekr> Is there any good hg idiom for working on two patches in parallel. The setting here is that I am writing module X which provides some services and module Y which relies on X. So I have patches X, Y applied and I decide I want a new service in X. This means popping Y off, changing X, and then re-pushing Y. The sets of files I am working on are disjoint… Is there anything clever here?
# [19:21] <efaust> there's hg qqueue, I think
# [19:22] <fabrice> ekr: I just use mq, and qfold when needed. Not perfect though
# [19:22] <Ms2ger> Not really, if you want the new service in the same patch
# [19:22] <ekr> Ms2ger: no, I want two patches.
# [19:22] <ekr> One for the new service and one for the customer of it
# [19:22] <Ms2ger> No, you said you wanted the new service in X
# [19:22] <ekr> Ms2ger: yes...
# [19:23] <Ms2ger> *Not really, if you want the new service in X
# [19:23] <ekr> Oh, ok.
# [19:23] <Ms2ger> You can create X', Y' and fold those when you're done
# [19:23] <ekr> Ms2ger: yeah, that's not quite optimal.
# [19:23] <Ms2ger> It isn't
# [19:24] <ekr> How about this… is there a way to easily restrict patches to a given set of files.
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# [19:24] <ekr> That way I don't accidentally change X while Y is applie
# [19:24] <Ms2ger> You could also use one patch Z while writing it, and split across file boundaries into X/Y when you're done
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# [19:24] <ekr> Ms2ger: that actually is sounding like the right idea.
# [19:25] <Ms2ger> But in general, you can't put changes into a non-top patch with mq
# [19:25] <ekr> Ms2ger: that's what I was afraid of. Thanks
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# [19:25] <Ms2ger> Np
# [19:25] <efaust> ekr: the other strategy is to just build up loads of tiny patches as you want to keep working, and then fold everything to the right place at the end.
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# [19:25] <ekr> efaust: yeah…. I think I'll probably mess that up.
# [19:26] <ekr> Maybe I should write an extension to the mq extension :)
# [19:26] <Ms2ger> Writing code in a different order than you want the patches to end up in is kinda hard
# [19:26] <efaust> |hg qref -p
# [19:26] <efaust> |
# [19:26] <efaust> or something
# [19:27] <efaust> the rebase is annoying to handle
# [19:28] * reuben just writes things into a single patch then uses |hg qcrefresh| to split the changes
# [19:28] <ekr> reuben: yeah, this is looking like the right approach
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# [19:30] <reuben> ekr: even faster is if you write all your changes on the index, without putting them into a patch. then you can do a series of |hg qnew foo path/to/file/1 path/to/file/2|, and fold them if necessary
# [19:31] <reuben> the downside is of course that your changes are untracked and the risk of losing data is higher
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# [19:31] <Ms2ger> reuben, hey, I didn't know about that
# [19:31] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/ac968ae7cb1e - Daniel Holbert - (no bug) Fix comment typo: s/frames/frame's/ DONTBUILD
# [19:31] <ekr> "on the index"? you just mean in the working directory? Or is there a git-style index?
# [19:31] <reuben> ekr: on the working directory, I wasn't sure what to call it :)
# [19:31] <ekr> reuben: right.
# [19:32] <ekr> that's definitely living on the edge
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# [19:33] <Ms2ger> hg qnew X; work; hg qref -X files-for-Y && hg qnew Y
# [19:33] <ekr> Ms2ger: yeah, I think that's what's needed here.
# [19:34] <reuben> yea that's another option, the only thing I dislike about doing that is that you need one "-X" for every exclusion filter
# [19:34] <reuben> definitely safer though
# [19:35] <ekr> Might be worth writing some tool that takes a list of all the changed files and lets you annotate them and then split it git-style
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# [19:36] <ekr> In my copious free time
# [19:37] <reuben> |hg qcref| will kinda do that, you can quickly check/uncheck the files you want to include
# [19:38] <ekr> thanks!
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# [19:53] <Manishearth> Ms2ger: hg qref? What's this do?
# [19:53] <Ms2ger> qrefresh
# [19:53] <Ms2ger> It saves the changes in the working directory to the topmost patch
# [19:53] <Manishearth> oh
# [19:54] <Manishearth> I know, I didn't know the shortform
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# [19:54] <Ms2ger> With hg, you can abbreviate all commands to a unique prefix
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# [19:56] <Manishearth> Ms2ger: Oh, nice
# [19:56] <Ms2ger> Quite :)
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# [19:58] <mjh563> what's the purpose of NS_IMPL_CYCLE_COLLECTION_UNLINK_PRESERVED_WRAPPER here?
# [19:58] <mjh563> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/dom/src/geolocation/nsGeolocation.cpp#1018
# [19:59] <Manishearth> long variable names are long
# [19:59] <mjh563> is it related to the line that follows?
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# [19:59] <Manishearth> and *still* the variable name isn't unclear
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# [20:02] <reuben> you're going to have to ask one of the five people who actually know what the CC macros everybody writes do
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# [20:03] <Ms2ger> mjh563, so, what do you know about how we expose C++ objects to JS?
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# [20:04] <Ms2ger> ("Nothing" is a good answer :))
# [20:04] <ekr> "Nothing" is the answer I have been trying to maintan
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# [20:05] <mjh563> Ms2ger: less than nothing would be more accurate :)
# [20:05] <Ms2ger> ekr, then for you, the answer to his question is "magic"
# [20:05] <ekr> Ms2ger: in fact that is the answer I always give
# [20:05] <ekr> Actually I say "magic. Ask khuey or ms2ger"
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# [20:06] <mjh563> Ms2ger: in bug 908031 I'm changing the type of Geolocation::mPendingRequests
# [20:06] <mjh563> to the same type as mPendingCallbacks and mWatchingCallbacks
# [20:06] <Ms2ger> mjh563, okay, the high-level idea is that we create a JSObject (which is the JS object, surprise) that has all the binding stuff. That happens in nsGeolocation::WrapObject
# [20:06] <mjh563> so I think the CC voodoo for mPendingRequests should be changed so it's done the same way
# [20:07] <mjh563> like this: NS_IMPL_CYCLE_COLLECTION_UNLINK(mPendingRequests)
# [20:07] <mjh563> right?
# [20:07] <Ms2ger> mjh563, we also make sure to "preserve" the wrapper (the JSObject), that is, it needs to live at least as long as the C++ object itself
# [20:07] <Ms2ger> mjh563, but the JSObject also keeps the C++ object alive, so that leaks all the memory
# [20:08] <Ms2ger> mjh563, the NS_IMPL_CYCLE_COLLECTION_UNLINK_PRESERVED_WRAPPER bit gets rid of the reference to the JSObject in the C++ object, so it can be deleted
# [20:08] * Ms2ger loads up a browser for the next question
# [20:09] <Ms2ger> ekr, you can listen again :)
# [20:09] <mjh563> Ms2ger: ok, so it's nothing to do with the Geolocation::mPendingRequests member specifically?
# [20:09] <Ms2ger> mjh563, no
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# [20:09] <ekr> Ms2ger: no worries, I just saw NS_IMPL_ADD_MAGIC_CYCLE_COLLECTION_TO_OBJECT_WITH_EXTRA_MAGIC
# [20:09] <ekr> Which I'm pretty sure is wrong
# [20:11] <Ms2ger> mjh563, okay
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# [20:11] <Ms2ger> mjh563, you'll need to both traverse and unlink the array
# [20:11] <Ms2ger> mjh563, and NS_IMPL_CYCLE_COLLECTION_{TRAVERSE,UNLINK}(mPendingRequests) is the general way to do it, but...
# [20:12] <Ms2ger> mjh563, you'll find that you can use this macro to define it all: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/dom/base/nsWrapperCache.h#406
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# [20:16] <mjh563> Ms2ger: ok, I see
# [20:16] <mjh563> so replace the whole lot with that macro
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# [20:26] <Ms2ger> mjh563, yep
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# [20:27] <mjh563> Ms2ger: thanks, that all makes sense (kind of) :)
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# [20:27] <mjh563> the location of the ...PRESERVED_WRAPPER line was what threw me
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# [20:27] <Ms2ger> mjh563, yeah, it's a bit weird
# [20:27] <mjh563> I thought it was connected to tmp->mPendingRequests.Clear()
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# [20:35] <sasegu> hi there
# [20:35] <sasegu> i am interested to contribute to firefox
# [20:35] <sasegu> but unsure how to do that
# [20:36] <sasegu> i am a novice java developer
# [20:37] <sasegu> anyone please?
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# [20:41] <sasegu> hi
# [20:41] <sasegu> i am interested to contribute to firefox
# [20:41] <gcp> Not sure how much we have where "novice Java" skills are useful.
# [20:41] <sasegu> can anyone guide pls
# [20:41] <sasegu> :)
# [20:41] <gcp> parts of Firefox for Android are in Java, but if you're a beginner you're gonna have a bad time there
# [20:41] <sasegu> do i need to J2ME ?
# [20:42] <sasegu> or Android SDK ?
# [20:42] <gcp> its Android so Android SDK, NDK etc
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# [20:42] <Manishearth> sasegu: www.whatcanidoformozilla.org
# [20:42] <sasegu> and to learn Android SDK is J2SE sufficient?
# [20:42] <Manishearth> www.joshmatthews.net/bugsahoy/
# [20:43] <gcp> Android has a whole API of itself on top of basic Java
# [20:43] <sasegu> thanks Manishearth
# [20:43] <sasegu> thanks gcp
# [20:44] <sasegu> i will be back soon ;)
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# [20:44] <KWierso> reuben: I got nothing, sorry :(
# [20:44] <gcp> If you're beginning Firefox development then perhaps learning some JavaScript and diving into add-ons is easier than diving into Firefox itself.
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# [20:45] * Ms2ger whacks gcp
# [20:46] <gcp> what?
# [20:46] <reuben> KWierso: I just built fennec myself and am running tests locally :)
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# [20:47] <sasegu> gcp will keep that in mind
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# [20:48] <sasegu> bye all cheers
# [20:48] <sasegu> :D
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# [20:49] <gcp> Ms2ger: the next guy who asks where the eclipse project file sits I'll point to you
# [20:49] <reuben> lol
# [20:50] <Ms2ger> gcp, "on its way, slowly"
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# [20:51] <gcp> I think someone did do something so you can use Eclipse for editing btw.
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# [20:54] <Ms2ger> There's no reason why you couldn't, afaik
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# [20:56] <gcp> yes but it works better when it can see more of the project
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# [20:59] <Ms2ger> Of course
# [21:00] <Ms2ger> But that's Hard(TM)
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# [21:07] <nrc|afk> gcp: like https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Eclipse_CDT
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# [21:09] <gcp> nono
# [21:09] <gcp> I really mean Java Eclipse
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# [21:09] <gcp> as in "the only thing some Java programmers know"
# [21:10] <nrc|afk> heh
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# [21:11] <gcp> that said that page seems to imply CDT actually works really well if you spend time setting it up
# [21:11] <nrc|afk> it does
# [21:12] <nrc|afk> I set it up a while ago, and it works great, but I decided I don't actually like Eclipse and haven't used it for ages
# [21:12] <gcp> :)
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# [21:24] <senicar> Ms2ger: hi, i've been search for possible dup bugs regarding "event.target instanceof window.HTMLElement" and I came across a code that uses nsIDOMHTMLElement so I tried it and it works. Is this still worth reporting or is it my mistake to use window.HTMLElement? btw this is my test bootstrap.js http://pastebin.com/Z5Zi3MRG , thanks
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# [21:26] <Ms2ger> senicar, we'd like to get rid of Components.interfaces.nsIDOMHTMLElement; aWindow.HTMLElement should work if aWindow is a window, afaik
# [21:28] <NeilAway> what's the secret sauce to regenerate xpt files?
# [21:28] <NeilAway> senicar: it won't work with any window, you'll need to use event.target.ownerDocument.defaultView.HTMLElement
# [21:29] <Ms2ger> NeilAway, that shouldn't be true anymore
# [21:29] <Ms2ger> NeilAway, and ./mach build ./export should work, I think
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# [21:30] <NeilAway> Ms2ger: hmm, ok, apologies for cargo-culting it
# [21:30] <Ms2ger> NeilAway, no problem at all
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# [21:33] <NeilAway> whoa, hg log -k is powerful :-)
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# [21:35] <Ms2ger> NeilAway, mm, that does sound nice
# [21:36] <senicar> Ms2ger: I've tested on firefox 24b9 and window.HTMLElement works, basically this doesn't work only in verisons 20,21,22 on Windows as far as I know. Is filing bugs for old versions welcomed or not? Now that I know where is the issue I could just make a work around for those versions in my extension.
# [21:36] <Ms2ger> What's the current released version?
# [21:37] <KWierso> 23 for another week
# [21:37] <Ms2ger> You can file a bug, but I don't see it being fixed, then
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# [21:41] <senicar> I guess I'll just keep it to myself :) maybe next time. Thanks again guys for all the help
# [21:41] <Ms2ger> No problem
# [21:42] <Ms2ger> Thanks for taking the time to let us know
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# [22:25] <Ms2ger> Seems like 28 patches is about my limit for one bug
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# [22:26] <gaston> part aaz ? :p
# [22:26] <Ms2ger> ab :)
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# [22:31] <Ms2ger> Apparently pulling from the same tree you're pulling into doesn't work out well
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# [22:42] <Ms2ger> Please contact the application's support team for more information.
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# [22:53] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/c4a605e6da42 - Nicholas Cameron - Don't include mozilla-config.h in gfx.layers. No bug. r=me
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# [23:45] <firebot> into DirectShow, which can't handle large ID3v2 tags. r=padenot
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