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# [01:32] <@njn> anyone here done 32-bit browser builds on Linux? I'm following "Instructions for Ubuntu" at https://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/Compiling_32-bit_Firefox_on_a_Linux_64-bit_OS, but I get link failures like this:
# [01:32] <@njn> /usr/bin/ld.gold.real: warning: skipping incompatible //usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgtk-x11-2.0.so while searching for gtk-x11-2.0
# [01:32] <@njn> /usr/bin/ld.gold.real: error: cannot find -lgtk-x11-2.0
# [01:33] <@njn> though I have those libraries in /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/
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# [01:40] <reuben> argh, |hg bzexport| is broken :(
# [01:41] <ekr> reuben: what's it doing?
# [01:42] <reuben> ekr: incompatible with my mercurial version I guess. it's passing too many arguments to a mercurial.ui method
# [01:42] <ekr> Gah. I've seen this with qimport but not bzexport
# [01:43] <ekr> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=903624
# [01:43] <ekr> (Not that that really helps)
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# [01:47] <nrc> and trychooser
# [01:48] <tbsaunde> njn: you probably need to set PKG_CONFIG_PATH
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# [01:48] <nrc> seems that prompt thing is biting all the hg extensions we use
# [01:48] <@njn> tbsaunde: do /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu?
# [01:49] <@njn> *to
# [01:49] <tbsaunde> njn: I'm no pkg config xpert, but maybe
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# [01:52] <reuben> ekr: I see. thanks for the link
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# [01:54] <tbsaunde> njn: actually from the manpage my guess would be /usr/lib/<tripplet>/pkgconfig/ but that doesn't even exist on debian unstable so I really don't know, I'm empressed you got this far on something debian based
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# [02:06] <tbsaunde> njn: I just looked at a machine with :i386 packages installed, /usr/lib/<tripplet>/pkgconfig does exist there and setting PKG_CONFIG_PATH=/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/pkgconfig/ gets the right thing assuming you have the :i386 package you're looking for installed
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# [02:09] <@njn> tbsaunde: /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/pkgconfig doesn't exist on my machine
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# [02:10] <@njn> tbsaunde: there are some 32-bit libs in /usr/lib32, as well
# [02:12] <tbsaunde> njn: do you have the libfoo-dev:i386 packages installed? that would be my guess as to why it doesn't exist
# [02:13] <@njn> tbsaunde: I have all the 32-bit stuff that the above-mentioned site said I needed, AFAICt
# [02:13] <@njn> ia32-libs gcc-multilib g++-multilib lib32*
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# [02:17] <tbsaunde> njn: that page seems kind of out of date still, you need libfoo-dev:i386 now if I understand things
# [02:17] <@njn> tbsaunde: you mean, run "apt-get install libfoo-dev:i386"? Or is "foo" a stand-in here?
# [02:17] <tbsaunde> njn: stand in
# [02:17] <@njn> tbsaunde: stand in for what?
# [02:18] <tbsaunde> that said I suspect you'll end up not being able to have libgtk2.0-dev:i386 and libgtk2.0-dev installed at the same time :(
# [02:18] <tbsaunde> njn: all the usual libs you need to build
# [02:19] <jcranmer|away> huh, libgtk2.0-dev is not architecture-all
# [02:19] <tbsaunde> unless things have changed since say april I think your best option is a chroot
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# [02:24] <tbsaunde> jcranmer|away: what's even better is that afaict the x32 stuff doesn't use multiarch
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# [02:27] <jcranmer|away> multiarch works better for non-development situations
# [02:27] <jcranmer|away> I'm using it for steam on my desktop to no ill effect yet
# [02:28] <tbsaunde> jcranmer|away: yeah, that's certainly the easier part and I think more work has gone into it to date?
# [02:31] <markh> paul: it looks lile you might have made fx-team orange.
# [02:31] <paul> markh: yep
# [02:31] <paul> I saw that...
# [02:32] <markh> great :)
# [02:33] <paul> can anyone backout these changesets for me? 86b5d8778fc4 fab07b9d6dee 89a059433037 bbb54cde82c3 (fx-team tree). I need to clone fx-team, but my internet connection is pretty bad (in a hotel)
# [02:34] <+Unfocused> paul: i can. commit msg?
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# [02:34] <@njn> nrc: ping
# [02:35] <nrc> njn: pong
# [02:35] <paul> Unfocused: thanks! backout bug 897960 (orange)
# [02:35] <@njn> nrc: am I right to think that many of our .cpp compilations will involve reading over a million lines of code?
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# [02:37] <nrc> njn: I am not sure about that. The largest headers I found were of the order of 100,000 lines. So it seems possible to get to a million lines, but unlikely because each header will only get pulled in once per cpp
# [02:37] <@njn> nrc: but by the time you pull in all the headers for each .cpp file...
# [02:39] <nrc> njn: I supect that we only get huge transitive headers due to a few syetem headers, so the chances of getting enough of them independently in one cpp seems small, bu tpossible
# [02:39] <nrc> njn: I'll try and get proper data for cpp files post preprocessing - it should be fairly easy
# [02:40] <@njn> nrc: that'd be nice, thanks!
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# [02:43] <+Unfocused> paul: done and commented in the bug
# [02:44] <paul> Unfocused: thanks a lot for that!
# [02:44] <+Unfocused> n/p :)
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# [03:59] <philor> wonder what percentage of this log is stacks from ASSERTION: Shouldn't be trying to restyle non-elements directly
# [03:59] <philor> and what percentage is devtools/
# [03:59] <philor> I'd guess maybe 40% each
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# [04:05] <philor> mmm, nope, a mere 40K lines of that assertion stack out of 271K lines
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# [04:12] <bz_sleep> man
# [04:12] <bz_sleep> browser-chrome is such a broken exception-puppy
# [04:12] <bz_sleep> And I don't mean just the tests
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# [04:21] <philor> a mere 292 lines about octal literals, and only 882 about undeclared encodings, I don't think I'm getting anywhere
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# [04:30] <jcranmer> fun
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# [04:30] <jcranmer> To: =?UTF-8?B?5rKI5a6H6IKy?= <sbdbfkmwoybjth@yahoo.com.tw>
# [04:30] <jcranmer> Reply-to: Facebook <notification+kjdp55vk-jh_@facebookmail.com>
# [04:30] <KWierso> jcranmer: seems legit
# [04:30] <jcranmer> it's actually Big5
# [04:31] <jcranmer> not that anyone's bothered to declare their shit
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# [04:33] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/353aa004fed8 - Matt Woodrow - Bug 912173 - Always AddRef and Release the GLContext when sharing a SurfaceStream to avoid mismatches. r=nrc
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# [04:34] <@khuey> what's up with all hte blue on tbpl lately?
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# [04:36] <KWierso> khuey: better than red?
# [04:36] <philor> you mean all the blue on your try pushes' builds which build on ec2 slaves, happening on one slave with a full disk?
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# [04:39] <philor> nice, another one
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# [04:39] <@khuey> philor: mmm, maybe that's what I mean!
# [04:39] <@khuey> ec2-331 seems sad
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# [04:48] <philor> yeah, the fuller answer would have been "between when the emulator-jb job was added and 90 minutes ago, emulator-jb jobs would sometimes leave the slave with a full disk, which it eventually gets over by pure luck but first sets retry on a few dozen or hundred builds"
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# [04:51] <philor> so this morning I set one to shut itself off after its next run, that next run coincidentally being the one that cured it, and just now sent Nick off to fix 331 while it was doing the run that cured it
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# [04:59] <nthomas> did you have a look for anything else sick ?
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# [05:02] <nthomas> can't see any else like it
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# [05:31] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/aa8d73a7b08a - Kyle Huey - Bug 910924: Give workers an nsIGlobalObject. r=bent,bholley
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# [05:31] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/7a9cc2c01bd0 - Kyle Huey - Bug 911258: Part 1 - Remove nsIExceptionService/Manager usage. r=bholley
# [05:31] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/9846f07d5867 - Kyle Huey - Bug 911258: Part 6 - Fixup tests. r=me
# [05:31] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/c04e927b631b - Kyle Huey - Bug 911258: Part 2 - Kill the exception service. r=bsmedberg
# [05:32] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/4127ebc547fd - Kyle Huey - Bug 911258: Part 5 - Use the unified exception handling mechanism on workers. r=bz
# [05:32] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/e47089ae214d - Kyle Huey - Bug 910937: Remove xpc_UnmarkGrayObject and use JSAPI directly. r=mccr8
# [05:32] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/16cf9da0d242 - Kyle Huey - Bug 911258: Part 3 - Convert exceptions to WebIDL. r=bz
# [05:32] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/3f4223fab461 - Kyle Huey - Bug 911258: Part 4 - Refactor exception implementations. r=bz
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# [05:34] <@khuey> \o/
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# [05:39] <nrc> njn: ok, I have data. I'm not totally convinced it is accurate. But, from what I see the largest cpp is 300k lines. There are roughly 40 cpps > 200k and 1500 > 100k
# [05:39] <nrc> njn: full list coming soon...
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# [05:40] <nrc> njn: ok, I have data. I'm not totally convinced it is accurate. But, from what I see the largest cpp is 300k lines. There are roughly 40 cpps > 200k and 1500 > 100k
# [05:40] <nrc> njn: full list coming soon...
# [05:40] <nrc> for about 5500 files I got data for
# [05:42] <@njn> nrc: cool
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# [05:54] <mjrosenb|ARM> nrc: what is this that you are measuring? preprocessed .cpp size in lines?
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# [05:54] <nrc> mjrosenb|ARM: yes
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# [06:01] <nrc> Wow. we compile 338 million lines of code by my reckoning (and that is probably short by 10-20%)
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# [06:01] <kamidphish> nrc: 8-|
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# [06:02] <@khuey> nrc: yeah and what percentage is unique?
# [06:02] <mjrosenb|ARM> I've wondered how long it would take to compile if we just catted togethere every .cpp file, and putt every header at the top of this megafile.
# [06:02] <@khuey> probably < 5%
# [06:03] <@khuey> mjrosenb|ARM: it wouldn't take long for the compiler to error out
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# [06:03] <mjrosenb|ARM> khuey: assuming we can get it to be valid c++, and have the same semantics as the current code.
# [06:03] <nrc> khuey: I think that would take a much cleverer script
# [06:03] <@khuey> mjrosenb|ARM: ig assumptions ;-)
# [06:03] <mjrosenb|ARM> which may take just as long as compilation does now
# [06:03] <@khuey> *big even
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# [06:04] <nrc> I reckon actually that number is over by a few percent. There is a lot of blank lines and comments in the output I'm looking at
# [06:04] <mjrosenb|ARM> nrc: if you have a list of .cpp files, cat *.cpp | sort | uniq -c | sort -n -k 2 :-p
# [06:05] <mjrosenb|ARM> oh, nope, no -k 2 in there.
# [06:05] * nrc fears the time that would take
# [06:05] <mjrosenb|ARM> nrc: sort is pretty fast.
# [06:06] <mjrosenb|ARM> ~/tests; time seq 1 10000000 | sort >/dev/null
# [06:06] <mjrosenb|ARM> real 0m16.583s
# [06:06] <mjrosenb|ARM> user 0m15.480s
# [06:07] <mjrosenb|ARM> that was sorting 10,000,000 lines (I had to add the commas in to be sure)
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# [06:08] <bz_sleep> hum
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# [06:08] <bz_sleep> What's up weth joedrew?
# [06:09] <nrc> he left
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# [06:09] <efaust> who?
# [06:09] <bz_sleep> nrc: :(
# [06:09] <nrc> bz_sleep: yes, indeed
# [06:10] <bz_sleep> nrc: No all@ mail...
# [06:10] <bz_sleep> More importantly, no joe. :(
# [06:10] <nrc> quite. sadness abounds in the gfx team :-(
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# [06:11] <bz_sleep> efaust: The imagelib module owner
# [06:12] <nrc> njn: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/74741329/cpps.csv - name, size in bytes, loc; ordered by loc
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# [06:13] <efaust> bz_sleep: oh dear :(
# [06:13] <@khuey> bz_sleep: and with jlebar gone too ...
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# [06:14] <@njn> nrc: looking
# [06:14] <bz_sleep> khuey: and stuart
# [06:14] <bz_sleep> khuey: I guess seth? ;)
# [06:14] <@njn> luckily imagelib is perfect and needs no maintenance whatsoever
# [06:14] <@khuey> bz_sleep: I told jrmuizel to make seth a peer
# [06:14] <@khuey> not sure if he did yet
# [06:15] <@khuey> but he basically is
# [06:15] <bz_sleep> khuey: makes sense
# [06:15] <bz_sleep> khuey: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Modules/Core#ImageLib says he did
# [06:15] <bz_sleep> khuey: or someone did
# [06:15] <bz_sleep> And yes, jrmuizel
# [06:15] <bz_sleep> njn: Some have claimed that in the past... ;)
# [06:16] <mjrosenb|ARM> why do we even need imagelib anymore?
# [06:16] <mjrosenb|ARM> it is the 21st century, everything is video.
# [06:16] * @khuey has advocated removing support for images from b2g to deal with OOM problems
# [06:16] <@khuey> bz_sleep: \o/
# [06:16] <@njn> khuey: that would help with so many perf metrics
# [06:17] <@njn> all those image-suck bugs
# [06:17] <@khuey> njn: indeed
# [06:17] * @khuey should put it on the priority list for memshrink b2g
# [06:18] <bz_sleep> we should clearly handle images like we plan to handle Flash
# [06:18] <bz_sleep> with a Shumway-like project
# [06:18] <@khuey> bz_sleep: bindings meeting tomorrow?
# [06:19] <bz_sleep> Please
# [06:20] <@khuey> k
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# [06:20] <ewong> jlebar's gone??
# [06:20] <bz_sleep> ewong: yep
# [06:20] <ewong> O_O
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# [06:21] <bz_sleep> ewong: there was mail (though corp-only, I think)
# [06:21] <ewong> most likely corp mail.. didn't even read anything about anyone leaving.. but then again.. nobody does that anymore
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# [06:23] <fabrice> khuey: I like the idea of turning b2g into a big interactive video. please ship!
# [06:23] <bz_sleep> btw
# [06:23] <bz_sleep> I would like to reiterate the suck that is browser-chrome tests. :(
# [06:24] <@khuey> fabrice: :-D
# [06:24] <bz_sleep> As exhibit A, allow me to present http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/browser/components/privatebrowsing/test/browser/browser_privatebrowsing_popupblocker.js#72
# [06:25] <bz_sleep> What do you think that test does?
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# [06:26] <bz_sleep> And how does it manage to pass our test suite?
# [06:26] * bz_sleep can give hints as needed... ;)
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# [06:33] <bz_sleep> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/18684977/uncaught-typeerror-cannot-read-property-innerhtml-in-firefox-and-chrome is depressing
# [06:33] <bz_sleep> "Ok I setTimeout to '100' and everything works perfect now :)"
# [06:33] * bz_sleep cries
# [06:34] <Callek> bz_sleep: huh, either I'm REALLY out of touch with out build system works, or this test isn't even run: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/browser/components/privatebrowsing/test/browser/Makefile.in
# [06:34] <bz_sleep> Callek: oh, it's run
# [06:34] <Callek> note how nothing else is specified here, not even rules.mk include
# [06:34] <bz_sleep> Callek: since I can make it fail on try
# [06:34] <Callek> ahhh ok
# [06:35] * Callek plays the "I no longer know how the build system works" card, which is sad
# [06:35] <Callek> but still makes sense given what my actual paid work isnow
# [06:35] <bz_sleep> It's right at http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/browser/components/privatebrowsing/test/browser/Makefile.in#37 no?
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# [06:36] <Callek> well I mean, nothing (that I can tell) invokes that Makefile, to grab teh var, and that Makefile alone doesn't do any includes of things like rules.mk, etc
# [06:36] <bz_sleep> Ah
# [06:36] <bz_sleep> no idea
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# [06:37] <Callek> but I'm not about to guess at how the test actually works/runs/etc I'm sooo scared of that many callbacks in a line
# [06:37] <bz_sleep> it's simple, actually
# [06:37] <bz_sleep> It calls testOnWindow
# [06:37] <bz_sleep> with a callback
# [06:38] <bz_sleep> When that callback fires, it calls testPopupBlockerMenuItem
# [06:38] <bz_sleep> passing undefined as the third argument
# [06:38] <bz_sleep> And at the same time calls testOnWindow again,
# [06:38] <bz_sleep> When the fires, it does the same thing once again, and calls testOnWindow again
# [06:39] <bz_sleep> then it does an actual useful call to testPopupBlockerMenuItem, after which it finishes the test...
# [06:39] <bz_sleep> Sadly, the fact that it throws exceptions is eaten by buggy Gecko code
# [06:39] <@njn> khuey: Windows XP Opt is burning
# [06:39] <bz_sleep> So if I fix that code, this test goes orange.
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# [06:40] <Callek> ahhhh!
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# [06:48] <@khuey> njn: wtf
# [06:48] <@khuey> this was fine on try
# [06:48] <@njn> khuey: infra/clobber/something?
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# [06:49] <@njn> khuey: it's a weird error
# [06:49] <@khuey> ..\..\netwerk\protocol\ftp\FTPChannelChild.obj : fatal error LNK1136: invalid or corrupt file
# [06:49] <@khuey> ..\..\netwerk\protocol\ftp\FTPChannelChild.obj : fatal error LNK1000: Internal error during IMAGE::Pass1
# [06:49] <@khuey> something is busted
# [06:50] <@njn> khuey: I'd retrigger and declare victory
# [06:50] <@khuey> er, wtf
# [06:50] <@khuey> can we not clober specific slaves anymore?
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# [06:51] <@gavin> why would you want to?
# [06:51] <@khuey> njn: yeah this isn't my fault
# [06:51] <@khuey> gavin: because one appears to have a busted objdir ...
# [06:51] <@gavin> if one slave needs a clobber, why wouldn't they all?
# [06:52] <@gavin> whatever gave this slave its bad objdir would probably potentially affect others?
# [06:52] <@khuey> that's non-obvious to me
# [06:52] <@khuey> but this feature used to exist
# [06:53] <@khuey> so why did it go away?
# [06:53] <nthomas> cancelling builds actually does clobber individual slaves, but the page was very slow to load and use with all of them in there
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# [09:14] <glazou> bonjour
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# [10:16] <NeilAway> bah, bz commented on the answer instead of the question :s
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# [10:20] <edmorley|sheriffduty> is there someone with wiki.mo page move permissions around?
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# [10:26] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/406d5b7a47cd - Randell Jesup - Bug 904784: use a separate critical section for the recording callback r=mwu a=bajaj
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# [10:30] <jesup> edmorley|sheriffduty: FYI, just landed a critical patch for beta (and aurora); I'll be getting a few hours more sleep then will be on early am EDT to check tbpl and star/etc as needed
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# [10:33] <nthomas> Unfocused: ping
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# [10:36] <Ms2ger> Would be fun if 'hg bzexport -r ehsan' would know to pick :ehsan
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# [11:03] <NeilAway> Ms2ger: is a : really that hard to type on your keyboard?
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# [11:05] <Ms2ger> NeilAway, well, I actually want -r auto to work without putting :s in my commit message
# [11:06] <NeilAway> Ms2ger: ah!
# [11:06] <NeilAway> Ms2ger: I didn't know that bzexport could read the reviewer from the commit message but it sounds like a sane thing to try
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# [11:40] <dougt> ctalbert: ping?
# [11:40] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/4f9563af1fa1 - Ehsan Akhgari - Forward declare mozilla::dom::Nullable as a struct everywhere so that the MSVC linker can pick up the correct symbol name
# [11:41] <@ehsan> Ms2ger: it doesn't? noch noch noch
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# [11:41] <Ms2ger> ehsan, you still got the reviews :)
# [11:42] <@ehsan> argh ;)
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# [11:42] <Ms2ger> ehsan, not even 30 patches, though!
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# [11:42] <Ms2ger> Nah, just 28
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# [11:42] <@ehsan> heh
# [11:43] <Ms2ger> But they're small, and all code removal
# [11:44] <ctalbert> dougt https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=781696
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# [11:57] <mhenretty> baku: i appreciate your help with promises
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# [11:58] <mhenretty> baku: what was that bug number for making promises usable from c++?
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# [12:01] <Yoric> mhenretty: DOM Promise?
# [12:01] <baku> mhenretty, bug: 882076
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# [12:02] <mhenretty> Yoric: yes
# [12:02] <mhenretty> baku: thanks!
# [12:02] <Yoric> So what's the status of Promise?
# [12:02] <Yoric> I mean, the spec.
# [12:02] <Ms2ger> Yoric, nobody agrees on anything
# [12:03] <baku> Yoric, good question. Ms2ger gives you the right answer.
# [12:03] <NeilAway> Ms2ger: so, lots of promises, but the spec hasn't been resolved?
# [12:03] <Ms2ger> NeilAway, ehehehehe
# [12:03] <Yoric> Ok, then we're not going to migrate from Promise.jsm just yet.
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# [12:13] <mhenretty> baku, im not sure i need this patch for what im trying to do. i just need to create a new promise, and then later resolve it with a JS::Value. this patch looks like it's for Promise chaining. how do i use this to resolve a single promise?
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# [12:20] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/279c6aca048a - L. David Baron - Bug 900783: Make HasAnimationOfProperty return false in the refresh driver tick in which the transition completes. r=nrc
# [12:20] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/12d4dea8cdfb - L. David Baron - Bug 847275 patch 1: Make assertions cause test failures in browser-chrome mochitest. r=dao
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# [12:20] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/2b26501fd203 - L. David Baron - Bug 906378: Make the test for transitions not being supported in test_transitions_per_property.html only use about 50 values for each property to avoid the O(N^2) case
# [12:20] <firebot> blowing up. r=dholbert
# [12:20] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/b560ee360b68 - L. David Baron - Bug 847275 patch 2: Temporarily disable failures from checking of assertions in browser-chrome mochitests so that we can annotate the expected assertions before
# [12:20] <firebot> enabling. r=dao
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# [12:43] <Yoric> ttaubert: ping
# [12:44] <ttaubert> Yoric: hi
# [12:45] <Yoric> Back from PTO?
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# [12:45] <ttaubert> Yoric: indeed
# [12:45] <Yoric> Was it nice?
# [12:46] <Yoric> Also, I wanted to chat about what happened with Session Restore while you were away.
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# [12:48] <ttaubert> Yoric: was nice but too short ;)
# [12:48] <Yoric> :)
# [12:48] <ttaubert> Yoric: sure, think I caught up on bug mail already but maybe I missed something
# [12:48] <Yoric> I'll grab some lunch, let's chat afterwards.
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# [12:50] <ttaubert> Yoric: ok, I may have to leave for an hour or so but let's just ping each other until that worked out today :)
# [12:50] <Yoric> :)
# [12:50] <ari> hi, is there a way with firefox to automatically attach gdb to a starting plugin process (as in chromium)?
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# [13:14] <Manishearth> Yoric: You talking about 506975 (the one I was working on)?
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# [13:20] <Yoric> Manishearth: Actually, no, more about performance stuff.
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# [13:25] <gfritzsche> ari: no, how about something like |set follow-fork-mode child| instead?
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# [13:27] <Manishearth> Yoric: Ah, OK.
# [13:28] <Manishearth> How efficient is our sessionstore compared to other browsers?
# [13:29] <Yoric> I don't know about other browsers. In the absolute, it's rather bad at the moment, but we are in the process of improving it a lot.
# [13:29] <ari> gfritzsche, ok, i will do it like that, thanks
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# [13:34] <Manishearth> Yoric: Ah, nice. Anything that can be done on the JS side?
# [13:34] <baku> mhenretty, sorry for the delay. If you just want to resolve/reject a Promise, you still need
# [13:34] <Manishearth> Sounds interesting, just that if it's C++ I'll probably be lost
# [13:34] <Yoric> Manishearth: Everything is JS-side, so yes :)
# [13:34] <mhenretty> baku: i see
# [13:34] <baku> mhenretty, promise->Resolver() and from there promise->Resolver()->Reject()
# [13:34] <hsivonen> Does anyone have happen to know from which CVS file blakeross copied and pasted the initial Firefox browser/base/content/browser.js ?
# [13:35] <Yoric> Manishearth: I'll need to synchronize with ttaubert and smacleod but if you want to help, I'm sure we can find something for you to do.
# [13:35] <baku> mhenretty, we can expose this object easily if you need it. how does it sound?
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# [13:35] <mhenretty> baku: that would be great, so it would be similar to how to how it works in javascript (ie you get the resolver)
# [13:36] <mhenretty> right now the resolver is private iirc
# [13:36] <Manishearth> Yoric: That would be great :D Feel free to email me or assign something to me if you want
# [13:37] <baku> mhenretty, ok. what's the bug ID of your feature?
# [13:37] <mhenretty> baku: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=899574
# [13:37] <hsivonen> xpfe/browser/resources/content/navigator.js apparently
# [13:37] <baku> mhenretty, I'll attach a patch there.
# [13:38] <mhenretty> baku: thank you!
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# [13:46] <KaiRo> what, xpfe/browser still exists?
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# [13:49] <Standard8> KaiRo: I think hsivonen is looking at history
# [13:49] <Standard8> not present day
# [13:50] <hsivonen> KaiRo: see above. I was looking for the origin on the code that appeared in the initial rev of browser.js
# [13:50] <+Unfocused> nthomas: oh, er, pong
# [13:50] <hsivonen> so where does the parameter that gets read at http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/browser/base/content/browser.js#774 get set?
# [13:51] <nthomas> Unfocused: was gonna ask about your Metro & Firefox 24 comment
# [13:51] <Manishearth> hsivonen: probably prefs.js or firefox.js
# [13:51] <Manishearth> let's see
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# [13:52] <hsivonen> I suspect that block of code in browser.js is bogus
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# [13:52] <Manishearth> Oh, you mean the window.argumenrs
# [13:52] <Manishearth> *arguments
# [13:52] <Manishearth> dunno
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# [13:54] <hsivonen> perhaps here? http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/browser/base/content/utilityOverlay.js#254
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# [13:57] <+Unfocused> nthomas: just reading through the new emails now
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# [13:57] <nthomas> Unfocused: that sounds like a fine idea!
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# [14:00] <Yoric> ttaubert: ping me whenever you're available
# [14:00] <ttaubert> Yoric: ping
# [14:00] <Yoric> That was fast :)
# [14:00] <ttaubert> :)
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# [14:01] <Yoric> So, we have a few things to discuss. In no particular order: performance of cookies, tests for the tab state cache, shutdown, e10s.
# [14:01] <Yoric> Pick one :)
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# [14:01] <ttaubert> Yoric: cookies
# [14:02] <Yoric> Ok.
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# [14:02] <+Unfocused> nthomas: ah, so - metro shares the same update backend, but it has its own prefs. so even if we change update prefs for desktop firefox, metro won't be fixed
# [14:02] <Yoric> So, as you have seen from your bugmail, the reason for which the tab state cache doesn't improve performance is that we now spend all our time on getting the list of cookie hosts.
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# [14:03] <Yoric> If I recall correctly, this won't be improved by the e10s patch, will it?
# [14:03] <nthomas> Unfocused: inside metro/omni.ja or something ?
# [14:03] <Gijs> always pick cookies.
# [14:03] <Gijs> ;)
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# [14:04] <+Unfocused> nthomas: the defaults are defined there, yea. but metro runs in a separate profile
# [14:04] <ttaubert> Yoric: no, this will need a separate caching layer, I think. I thought about this in the last hour and think I have an idea how to solve that. it's a little weird because that's per-window data and doesn't really fit into e10s (per tab). So I think we should cache in the main JSM
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# [14:04] <+Unfocused> we'd only end up changing the prefs in the desktop firefox's profile
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# [14:05] <nthomas> oh, I thought we were changing defaults. Guess that's not trivial if the file is inside the .ja
# [14:06] <ttaubert> Yoric: every time the tabstatecache is updated (or tab data is collected) we should update the list of hosts for the tab's window. this shouldn't be too hard to do
# [14:06] <Yoric> ttaubert: Do you have a clear idea of when we need to invalidate that cache?
# [14:06] <Yoric> Ah.
# [14:06] <+Unfocused> nthomas: yea, can't do that in a hotfix :\
# [14:06] <Yoric> Sounds good.
# [14:06] * nthomas sees what you mean reading metro/omni.ja's defaults/preferences/metro.js
# [14:06] <Yoric> Do you want me to handle this?
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# [14:06] <Yoric> ttaubert: Or do you prefer we wait until e10s before working on that?
# [14:06] <ttaubert> Yoric: I thought about a SessionHistory listener as well but that would have to live in the content script and would probably turn out awkward
# [14:06] <nthomas> Unfocused: yet another reason the right way to fix this is with a new cert
# [14:07] <Yoric> ok
# [14:07] <+Unfocused> nthomas: new cert that matches, yea
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# [14:07] <ttaubert> Yoric: hm. I think it would be better to land this after the e10s patches maybe? there's some changes to the cookies code.
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# [14:08] <Yoric> ok, let's do that
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# [14:08] <ttaubert> Yoric: I'll write my thoughts down as a comment in the bug
# [14:08] <Yoric> ok
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# [14:09] <ttaubert> Yoric: ok, next topic? :)
# [14:09] <Ms2ger> edmorley|sheriffduty, fascinating merge :)
# [14:10] <nemo> http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/privacy-scandal-nsa-can-spy-on-smart-phone-data-a-920971.html
# [14:10] <nemo> and FirefoxOS? :)
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# [14:10] <edmorley|sheriffduty> sigh, abort: data/browser/devtools/profiler/profiler.xul.i@57bcdeb15305: no match found!
# [14:11] <Yoric> ttaubert: Telemetry on the tab state cache indicates that it has a satisfying hit/miss ratio. However, for some reason, I haven't succeeded at writing unit tests that pass remotely.
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# [14:11] <ttaubert> Yoric: yes, I took a look a the metrics, looks good I think
# [14:11] <ttaubert> didn't take a look at your patch yet
# [14:12] <ttaubert> so it fails on try but passes on your machine?
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# [14:12] <Yoric> Indeed.
# [14:13] <Yoric> I'll update the patch.
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# [14:13] <ttaubert> Yoric: ok, I'll take a look at that later
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# [14:15] <Yoric> ttaubert: Shutdown, now.
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# [14:15] <ttaubert> Yoric: k
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# [14:15] <Yoric> :) - As it turns out, the worker system doesn't wait until workers finish working before killing them.
# [14:16] <Yoric> During shutdown, that is.
# [14:16] <ttaubert> hum. so possible data loss when writing session files?
# [14:16] <Ms2ger> Well, there's no reason to assume that workers will ever finish
# [14:16] <Yoric> Indeed.
# [14:16] <Yoric> Ms2ger: Chrome Workers?
# [14:16] <Yoric> Which means that (oh, joy), we will probably need to spin the event loop during shutdown.
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# [14:17] <ttaubert> Yoric: we could also switch to sync writes when nsIAppStartup.shuttingDown maybe?
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# [14:25] <Yoric> We could do that.
# [14:26] <Yoric> I don't like the idea, but we could do that.
# [14:26] <Yoric> The question is how much work we will need to maintain two shutdown code paths.
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# [14:27] <Yoric> ttaubert: Do we have anything interesting in SessionFile that would need to be duplicated?
# [14:27] <Yoric> (e.g. backup)
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# [14:29] <ttaubert> Yoric: SessionFileInternal.write() could just issue a sync write, atomically. if we quit really early we might actually have to write a backup (i.e. move the sessionstore.js file before writing)
# [14:29] <ttaubert> but there's no way to know currently. but we could just keep track of that in SessionFile.jsm
# [14:31] <ttaubert> Yoric: if we have an async write running in the worker that finishes after the last sync write and before shutting down we could run into interesting results, though
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# [14:32] <Yoric> Indeed.
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# [14:34] <Yoric> ttaubert: I suspect that in a first version, we'll need to spin the event loop.
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# [14:34] <ttaubert> ok
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# [14:43] <jesup> nemo: One 0-day in the right place and they can crack an individual phone (especially with a targeted attack). Think of it as black-hats with a ton more resources (and quite possibly buying cracks on the black market). Makes our job "interesting" :-( Also, especially for targeted attacks, they can get the provider of an installed app to update it with attack code, so trust in the provider...
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# [14:44] <Yoric> ttaubert: It might be time to get started on that asynchronous shutdown thingy.
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# [14:46] <Yoric> ttaubert: Do you remember at which stage of shutdown we start collecting/writing session restore data?
# [14:47] <Yoric> ttaubert: Also, irving has a good idea.
# [14:47] <ttaubert> Yoric: on application-quit-requested we collect data and _uninit() save it the last time
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# [14:50] <Yoric> irving has had an idea that can save us from spinning the event loop manually, I believe
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# [15:01] <mhenretty> baku: thank you!
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# [15:16] <NeilAway> jrgill: is the channel registered?
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# [15:17] <Manishearth> jrgill: Hey, whatcha doing *here*?
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# [15:18] <jld> So, conflicts between jemalloc and libc routines that use malloc internally (e.g., getline). What's supposed to happen with them on normal platforms?
# [15:18] <jld> Or is everyone who knows about that in time zones where they're asleep?
# [15:19] <Manishearth> probably
# [15:19] <nemo> jesup: that's a tad different from built-in exploits
# [15:20] <NeilAway> hsivonen: out of interest, why is that charset code bogus?
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# [15:22] <hsivonen> NeilAway: because it makes no sense to inherit the charset when opening in new window when a) we don't inherit when following a link in the same window or when opening in a new *tab* and b) other browsers don't do so
# [15:22] <NeilAway> hsivonen: ah, oops!
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# [15:23] <jrgill> NeilAway, user xtrm is managing it and we're all on the ACL just fine to my understanding. Maybe chanserv here doesn't have the flag? Would be great if someone could check for guard flag with chanserv and another channel. :-)
# [15:23] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/2cbff87e4417 - Mark Hammond - Bug 906713 - Reset default capture timeout earlier to prevent oranges. r=adw, a=test-only
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# [15:24] <NeilAway> jrgill: not sure what you mean by sit in the channel then
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# [15:24] <Manishearth> jrgill: What's the issue?
# [15:24] <NeilAway> jld: or failing that, look into replace-malloc
# [15:25] <Ms2ger> NeilAway, well, "oops" is par for the course :/
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# [15:25] <NeilAway> Ms2ger: I don't know about following links, but we did open pages in windows before we opened them in tabs
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# [15:29] <jld> NeilAway,tbsaunde,glandium: Looks like __getdelim has an unrelocated call to realloc. This may be Android weirdness...
# [15:29] <jld> i.e., what normal platforms do is not have this problem in the first place.
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# [15:48] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/5b5b2b8f57f8 - Gene Lian - Backed out changeset 9f377abbf13e
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# [15:48] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/682977ca05de - Gene Lian - Bug 913436 - Gecko needs to return a proper error code when sending messages to non-FDN receivers. r=vicamo a=koi+
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# [15:48] <jrgill> NeilAway, it's the guard flag. chanserv sits / "is always in" the channel. It's on freenode at least; not sure whether it's specific to them. <-- Manishearth
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# [15:49] <jrgill> Manishearth, we're in #tabgroupsmanager :-)
# [15:49] <jrgill> Planning stuff
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# [15:51] <NeilAway> jrgill: I think you'll find ChanServ in registered channels, but I'm not sure whether it's ChatZilla or something server-side that's hiding him from the nick list (although he does tab-complete?)
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# [16:01] <jrgill> NeilAway, pretty sure it's server-side. Got a little bot in the channel and not seeing chanserv in stdout. It's usually set #channel guard on. Any idea what they're running on the servers?
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# [16:01] <jrgill> Definitely not a huge issue, but just wondering.
# [16:02] * jrgill emerge -C Manishearth.
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# [16:06] <edmorley|sheriffduty> RyanVM: whoop mozjs.dll : fatal error LNK1120: 1 unresolved externals :-)
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# [16:07] <RyanVM> edmorley|sheriffduty: wait and see waht the next push does
# [16:07] <edmorley|sheriffduty> sure :-)
# [16:07] <RyanVM> i clobbered, but after pushing
# [16:07] <RyanVM> I was worried about the Android patch causing problems
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# [16:08] <edmorley|sheriffduty> RyanVM: next push got force clobbered but is still sadly burning
# [16:08] <RyanVM> aight
# [16:08] <RyanVM> out she goes
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# [16:12] <RyanVM> i'll mark the bug
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# [16:16] <RyanVM> edmorley|sheriffduty: Nevermind, hg recover is finished. Backing out now...
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# [16:17] <edmorley|sheriffduty> RyanVM: sorry client didn't ping for some reason
# [16:17] <edmorley|sheriffduty> RyanVM: my inbound hg repo got broken this morning too, weird
# [16:17] <RyanVM> this was my fault :)
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# [16:17] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/486b61c42838 - Ryan VanderMeulen - Backed out changeset c3b01d22caa9 (bug 912959) for Windows bustage.
# [16:17] <NeilAway> jrgill: I'm pretty sure that ChanServ automatically guards registered channels on moznet
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# [16:45] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/07ff0d3d9c40 - Marco Zehe - Bug 914050 - Main window announced to VoiceOver as unknown, r=surkov
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# [16:52] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/3931b9652326 - Ms2ger - Merge backout.
# [16:52] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/a5e8a4e466bc - Ms2ger - Backout changesets 194d051724a8:89e680f30d31 (bug 817700) for insufficient review.
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# [16:56] <Gijs> ah, there's another green run
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# [16:57] <philor> yeah, I think that's a new friend we met but didn't file somewhere else, maybe on fx-team
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# [17:00] <spohl> Ms2ger: ping
# [17:00] <Ms2ger> spohl, hi
# [17:01] <spohl> Ms2ger: sorry about bug 817700. would you happen to know of a good reviewer there?
# [17:01] <philor> edmorley|sheriffduty: that androind tpn bustage is likely to be real and njn's, since he broke and fixed the same thing on desktop
# [17:01] <Ms2ger> spohl, bz, I guess, or bholley
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# [17:02] <spohl> Ms2ger: great, thank you!
# [17:02] <Ms2ger> Np
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# [17:03] <ari> i have a problem with my plugin and don't know how much of it is with my gtk knowledge and how much with firefox/npapi/xembed: my plugin changes gtkimage in a timed loop and redraws, at some point i get double expose event and all events to gtkplug stop; when handling SetWindow i recreate GtkPlug and events start flowing to the new one again. i've tried catching all signals for gtkplug and image and nothing changes before redraws stop being ef
# [17:03] <ari> fective
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# [17:03] <ari> perhaps somebody knows of something similar?
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# [17:12] <@smaug> Honza: can't really think of simpler API for MutationObserver listing
# [17:12] <@smaug> Honza: but see my comment in the bug
# [17:12] <Honza> smaug: ok, let me see the comment
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# [17:16] <@smaug> Honza: yes
# [17:16] <@smaug> Honza: the patch just gives the simplest possible API, and other stuff can be developed on top of it
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# [17:17] <Honza> Agree. Should I create a new report for the dynamic tracing?
# [17:17] <Honza> *tracing
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# [17:17] <Honza> sorry: tracking :-)
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# [17:18] <NeilAway> jrgill: well, I can tab complete ChanServ, so ...
# [17:18] <@smaug> Honza: sounds ok, though removal is still pretty much impossible
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# [17:24] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/2898a7f3853b - Tom Schuster - Bug 912629 - Electrolysis: Use page icon for tab crashed page. r=felipe
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# [17:27] <gfritzsche> ari, might be worth trying stackoverflow or mozilla.dev.tech.plugins ?
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# [17:30] <Yoric> ttaubert: So, the idea is to register SessionRestore as depending on the runstate profile-before-change, as per bug 913899.
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# [17:33] <ari> gfritzsche, did not know about m.d.t.plugins sound goods, thanks
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# [17:59] <avih> mbrubeck: re bug 913205 and the good graphs from tsvgx.. /me pats myself on the back, the new 'x' talos tests look really useful, bar the pending bimodality of tscrollx on win7/8
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# [18:00] <mbrubeck> avih: \o/
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# [18:01] <avih> mbrubeck: you haven't noticed false positive with any of them, right?
# [18:01] <mbrubeck> not yet :)
# [18:01] <avih> :)
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# [18:12] <bz> It's 500, Jim.
# [18:12] <RyanVM> gcp: seems that way
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# [18:13] <RyanVM> awesome start to a work week
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# [18:14] <mbrubeck> bz: There have been a number of swings in Dromaeo DOM in the past week or two, not all of them with clear causes.
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# [18:14] <mbrubeck> avih: Hmm, the graphs in this thread look *very* suspicious: https://groups.google.com/d/topic/mozilla.dev.tree-management/Qpdjl_zt4rU/discussion
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# [18:16] <mbrubeck> avih: All of those benchmarks are bimodal in Windows PGO... and it looks like we have "good" builds that perform better across all tests, and "bad" builds that perform worse across all tests. Must be hitting some nondeterminism in the build, or leaving the objdir in a bad state sometimes...
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# [18:18] <avih> mbrubeck: i could follow everything except the "leaving objdir in bad state" part. what does that mean?
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# [18:19] <mbrubeck> avih: There was a bug once... can't find it at the moment... where PGO builds were accidentally reusing profile data left in the objdir from previous runs, so they weren't guaranteed to be optimized correctly unless they were clobbered
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# [18:19] <avih> mbrubeck: also, fwiw, i never touched tresize. i'm saying that because right now i'm not ruling out that the 'x' tests have bemodal behavior due to ASAP mode, but haven't got to investigate it yet.
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# [18:20] <avih> mbrubeck: so it's possible that tresize and tscrollx/tsvgx have different cause for this behavior. but maybe they also don't.
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# [18:21] <froydnj> I love that msvc template instantiation errors only tell you where in the header the problem is and not the actual file including the header
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# [18:21] <mbrubeck> These graphs are very strong evidence that at least one cause of bimodal data in Win PGO perf is something at build time.
# [18:21] <avih> mbrubeck: ugh... (pgo/profile). sounds nasty... how can we make sure that's not the case?
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# [18:22] <avih> (or is the case)
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# [18:22] <mbrubeck> avih: If it's about the state of the objdir, we could try clobbering and retriggering some of these old builds. If it's just nondeterministic compiler behavior, then... I don't know.
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# [18:23] <avih> mbrubeck: btw, what in those graphs (are there others besides tresize?) make you believe it's a build issue? i'm assuming that if you look at more than one test, then all test bimodal-split by build?
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# [18:24] <mbrubeck> avih: Yes -- the "good" results in each test line up exactly with the "good" results in the other tests.
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# [18:24] <avih> mbrubeck: i've already noticed that with the subtests of tscrollx, but i didn't compare to other talos tests
# [18:24] <mbrubeck> avih: For example, check out http://graphs.mozilla.org/graph.html#tests=[[287,63,31],[254,63,31]]&sel=none&displayrange=7&datatype=running
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# [18:25] <avih> mbrubeck: well.. that's very convincing indeed
# [18:25] <mbrubeck> :)
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# [18:25] <mbrubeck> I'll comment in one of the bugs
# [18:25] <avih> ok. you won. it's not tscrollx :p
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# [18:26] <avih> this is really good evidence.. nice investigation :)
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# [18:26] <avih> mbrubeck: still circumstantial though. a judge might require more for conviction ;)
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# [18:26] <RyanVM> glob: seeing "Bugzilla error submitting bug comment: DBD::mysql::db do failed: Deadlock found when trying to get lock; try restarting transaction [for Statement "UPDATE bugs SET lastdiffed = ? WHERE bug_id = ?"] at /data/www/bugzilla.mozilla.org/Bugzilla/BugMail.pm line 346" quite a bit when starring tbpl
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# [18:27] <glob> RyanVM, it's possible it's still recovering from the outage
# [18:27] <glob> RyanVM, how long has this been happening?
# [18:27] <RyanVM> since the outage started
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# [18:28] <glob> RyanVM, are you still seeing them?
# [18:28] <RyanVM> I messaged you after the last one I saw ;)
# [18:28] <RyanVM> that was immediately prior
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# [18:29] <glob> hrm, i checked the email queue immediately, and it was empty
# [18:29] <glob> RyanVM, ping me if it happens again
# [18:29] <edmorley|mtg> RyanVM: meeting? :-)
# [18:30] <RyanVM> edmorley|mtg: sorry, catching up on starring the trees....
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# [18:32] <avih> mbrubeck: since the difference between the buckets can be fairly dramatic on more than one test, do we want to consider that the buckets are yes/no PGO?
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# [18:33] <avih> mbrubeck: (i.e. more than just residue from a previous profile)
# [18:34] <RyanVM> glob: just did it again
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# [18:34] <RyanVM> oh sorry, that's the othe rone
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# [18:34] <glob> RyanVM, ah, good. that one i have a patch committed (waiting for a push)
# [18:35] <glob> "good"
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# [18:43] <mbrubeck> avih: Good question.... Here's a graph with both PGO and non-PGO data: http://graphs.mozilla.org/graph.html#tests=[[254,131,31],[254,63,31]]&sel=none&displayrange=7&datatype=running
# [18:43] <mbrubeck> It does look like the "bad" PGO runs are in the same range as the "good" non-PGO runs...
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# [18:43] <avih> mbrubeck: already answered at the bug. not pgo related imo
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# [18:43] <mbrubeck> but that doesn't explain the "bad" non-PGO points. :/
# [18:44] <avih> both are bimodal, and the pgo and non pgo are reasonably apart. seems the bimodality comes from someplace else
# [18:44] <mbrubeck> yeah.
# [18:45] <mbrubeck> We should probably file a new bug for the suspected build-time common cause of these bimodal results, and link it to the individual related bugs.
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# [18:45] <avih> mbrubeck: however, it now also seems that it's not tscrollx specific, considering the high correlation with tresize
# [18:45] <mbrubeck> yup
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# [18:46] <avih> mbrubeck: also look at this. while not 100% correlating, there's definitely a correlation between the pgo and non pgo bimodality http://graphs.mozilla.org/graph.html#tests=[[287,63,31],[254,63,31],[287,131,31],[254,131,31]]&sel=1378247879750,1378741306378&displayrange=7&datatype=running
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# [18:47] <avih> mbrubeck: if both builds are compiled on the same machine, then it could be objdir related, otherwise, it most probably isn't imo
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# [18:47] <mbrubeck> even when they are on the same machine, they won't share objdirs
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# [18:48] <mbrubeck> On the other hand, when someone touches CLOBBER or uses the self-serve clobber tool, that would affect both at the same time.
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# [18:48] <@ted> you could retrigger a job to see if it's build-related or runtime-related
# [18:48] <mbrubeck> oh, we're pretty sure it's build related
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# [18:48] <mbrubeck> See https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=908888#c18
# [18:48] <avih> so if they're reasonably isolated, and show similar bimodal behavior with non/pgo build, it's gotta be something at the source, or the way the compiler is affected by the source imo
# [18:48] <@ted> ah
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# [18:49] <@ted> that's super crazy
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# [18:49] <avih> ted: i think we've already agreed at build related.
# [18:50] <@ted> sorry, missed that
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# [18:50] <avih> ted: the evidence being that several different talos test, between which the browser is restarted (AFAIK) correlate 100% in their bimodal behavior
# [18:50] <@ted> we had seen that sort of behavior in PGO builds before
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# [18:50] <@ted> but that's the first i've heard of it in non-PGO
# [18:50] <avih> ted: non-pgo have very similar bimodality
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# [18:51] <avih> and with different values, i.e. we're not mixing pgo with non-pgo results
# [18:51] <@ted> at least in PGO builds it'd be explainable as "something weird happened in the profiling phase and the final build wasn't optimized the same way"
# [18:51] <NeilAway> bz: are xul controllers cycle collected?
# [18:52] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/77841a0ee530 - Eddy Bruel - Bug 906963 - Add a "ignore caught exceptions" checkbox to the UI; r=dcamp
# [18:52] <avih> it's a very good thing that non pgo builds have this as well and that it correlated reasonably highly with the pgo builds. it points at the source rather than at the build, or at least to how the compiler interprets the source
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# [18:52] <avih> ted: here http://graphs.mozilla.org/graph.html#tests=[[287,63,31],[254,63,31],[287,131,31],[254,131,31]]&sel=1378247879750,1378741306378&displayrange=7&datatype=running
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# [18:53] <mbrubeck> avih: Though it could still be a clobber vs. non-clobber issue
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# [18:53] <mbrubeck> (that should be easily testable)
# [18:53] <avih> mbrubeck: true that
# [18:53] <kbrosnan> khuey: gps: could bug 913842 get your attention shortly. it blocks nightly android users from updating. the last nightly build contains a rather bad bug that would be fixed as soon as multi builds are created
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# [18:54] <@khuey> kbrosnan: looks like ted beat us to it?
# [18:54] <@khuey> unless I'm missing something
# [18:54] <avih> mbrubeck: so do the build bots follow clobber yes/no the same as the peasants? i was hoping build bots always clobber...
# [18:54] <@khuey> peasants? :-P
# [18:54] <kbrosnan> khuey: oh ok. was not a 3 part review
# [18:55] <avih> :)
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# [18:55] <@khuey> kbrosnan: yeah it was "whoever gets here first"
# [18:55] <@khuey> he likes to do that ;-)
# [18:55] <kbrosnan> we'll given what broke, likely the right thing to do
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# [18:57] <Ms2ger> RyanVM++
# [18:57] <RyanVM> Ms2ger: should I go grab my cat?
# [18:57] <RyanVM> he's over on the couch behind me
# [18:57] <Ms2ger> I missed him!
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# [18:58] <mbrubeck> avih: No, the buildbots clobber only if (a) the CLOBBER file has been touched, (b) someone uses https://secure.pub.build.mozilla.org/clobberer/ to tell them to, or (c) one of their built-in conditions (like the free space threshold) is triggered.
# [18:58] <mbrubeck> avih: Except Try (and nightly?) which always clobber
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# [18:59] <avih> mbrubeck: so assuming the buckets represent clobbers, it would seem as if many times, every second build is a clobber one... does that sound reasonable?
# [18:59] <Ms2ger> PGO builds
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# [18:59] <Ms2ger> Maybe :)
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# [18:59] <avih> and if it does, wouldn't it be better to clobber each build and be done with it?
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# [19:00] <mbrubeck> avih: Yes, or figure out what's breaking the non-clobbers. It's definitely not likely that every other build is clobbered though, so that's a big hole in that whole theory.
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# [19:00] <avih> mbrubeck: well, if nightly clobber, we could just look at Firefox instead of inbound...
# [19:00] <mbrubeck> by "nightly" I mean the once-a-day nightly builds ("N" on tbpl)
# [19:01] <avih> can i choose this set of builds at the graphs?
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# [19:03] <avih> mbrubeck: why does mozilla-aurora-non-pgo doesn't show any data?? http://graphs.mozilla.org/graph.html#tests=[[254,126,31],[287,63,31],[287,131,31],[254,63,31]]&sel=none&displayrange=7&datatype=running
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# [19:06] <avih> mbrubeck: look at this, tresize was bimodal since the beginning of time http://graphs.mozilla.org/graph.html#tests=[[287,63,31],[287,131,31],[254,63,31],[254,131,31]]&sel=1347210538253,1378746538253&displayrange=365&datatype=running
# [19:06] <avih> both pgo and non pgo
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# [19:07] <mbrubeck> avih: Yeah, I filed https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=913038 about that recently
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# [19:08] <gaston> Ms2ger: you were right re hg bisect and --extend, it helped me shift the regression window
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# [19:08] <Ms2ger> gaston, great
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# [19:09] <gaston> but i still dont understand how the full history and merges work :)
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# [19:16] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/1eaaa2592938 - Askeing Yen - Bug 891766 - Add gecko's git commit info in B2G build. r=?
# [19:16] <Ms2ger> r=?, eh
# [19:16] <@khuey> r=? :-P
# [19:16] <Ms2ger> gps, ^
# [19:17] <@khuey> commit message fail
# [19:17] <jesup> It's the phantom reviewer
# [19:17] <KWierso> r=someone;maybe
# [19:17] <dholbert> I'll backout & reland; I'm landing something anyway
# [19:17] <dholbert> it's r=gps
# [19:18] <gaston> r=noonereadsthisanyway
# [19:18] <gps> effing malformed patches
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# [19:19] <gps> if there are multiple commit message lines in the patch, mercurial can get confused
# [19:19] <gps> here's the proof: https://hg.mozilla.org/users/gszorc_mozilla.com/gecko-patches/rev/099ccd0e987b
# [19:20] <dholbert> [done]
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# [19:20] <gps> dholbert: thanks
# [19:20] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/a38cf622cdc8 - Askeing Yen - Bug 891766 - Add gecko's git commit info in B2G build. r=gps
# [19:20] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/b4fb1e007050 - Daniel Holbert - Bug 914078: Increase Android-only max-fuzzy-difference from 4 to 5, for recently-added "position-sticky/top-3.html" reftest. r=corey
# [19:20] <Ms2ger> gps, it's not confused, the patch is just wrong
# [19:20] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/6318aa6aa84a - Daniel Holbert - Backed out changeset 1eaaa2592938 (Bug 891766) since it landed without a reviewer noted
# [19:20] <Ms2ger> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/1eaaa2592938 has both lines
# [19:20] <gps> bugzilla should loudly warn about this
# [19:20] <gps> and mercurial for that matter
# [19:20] <@khuey> warn loudly about what?
# [19:21] <Ms2ger> dbaron wouldn't like that :)
# [19:21] <@khuey> multiple line commit messages are useful
# [19:21] <gps> malformed patch headers
# [19:21] <@khuey> what is malformed?
# [19:21] <gps> https://hg.mozilla.org/users/gszorc_mozilla.com/gecko-patches/rev/c8353d260630
# [19:21] <gps> there are multiple # HG ... headers in that patch file
# [19:21] <@khuey> there aren't in the version that was checked in
# [19:21] <gps> this is in mq land
# [19:21] <Ms2ger> Actually
# [19:22] <Ms2ger> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=801374&action=edit seems fine
# [19:22] <gps> hg does the right thing when the patch is applied to the repo
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# [19:22] <gps> maybe it's a bug with qimportbz?
# [19:22] <philor> there is one, yeah
# [19:22] <sfink> qimportbz has no bugs. I don't know what you're talking about.
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# [19:23] <philor> just the feature of qimportbz; qref -e; qref -e
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# [19:23] <gps> it's either a qimportbz bug or an issue with my mercurial config
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# [19:24] <gps> i just did hg qimport bz://891766 and the raw file in my mq repo has multiple header lines
# [19:24] <gps> i'm using mercurial 2.7.0
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# [19:24] <sfink> yeah, I've seen (and ignored) something sounding very similar many times
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# [19:25] <@khuey> you should switch to git
# [19:25] <@khuey> I bet it doesn't have this problem
# [19:25] <@khuey> </troll>
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# [19:25] <froydnj> trolledbykylehuey
# [19:25] <Ms2ger> froydnj, well, that's no news
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# [19:26] <sfink> khuey: I don't understand. |git qimport bz://891766| says it's not a git command. Why is git so hard to use?
# [19:27] <@khuey> :-D
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# [19:30] <froydnj> did try get reset over the weekend?
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# [19:31] <@khuey> don't think so
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# [19:33] <sfink> there are data center problems right now
# [19:33] <sfink> of some sort or other
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# [19:34] <glob> sfink, there was, about an hour ago. i don't see any alerts anymore
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# [19:35] <sfink> hm, ok. Perhaps I'm just spreading misinformation again.
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# [20:45] <jesup> Hmmm, updated to new mozbuild on windows (and updated from inbound earlier today), fails on clobber with "d3dcompiler.h" not found
# [20:46] <jesup> Wonder if there's something else I need to update
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# [20:47] <jesup> It does exist in the DirectX SDK(June 2010)\Include dir
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# [20:54] <reyre> smontagu: do you have any suggestions for what would be the best way to implement the paragraph level steps of the unicode bidirectional algorithm in JS?
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# [20:57] <@ted> bholley: ping?
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# [20:57] <bholley> ted: h
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# [20:58] <@ted> bholley: i put a patch up on bug 913173
# [20:58] <@ted> but i haven't tested it
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# [20:58] <@ted> (because i was too lazy to rebuild on my mac)
# [20:58] <bholley> ted: I will check it out soon
# [20:58] <@ted> okay
# [20:58] <bholley> ted: still going through my morning bugmail
# [20:58] <bholley> :-)
# [20:58] <@ted> if that works i can get it reviewed and landed
# [20:58] <@ted> pretty small patch
# [20:58] <bholley> ted: awesome, thanks! :-)
# [20:58] <@ted> np
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# [21:00] <smontagu> reyre: well, the hard part is getting the bidi category of the characters
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# [21:00] <smontagu> I should think that is available these days via ICU though
# [21:00] <reyre> smontagu: something like this, correct? http://www.unicode.org/Public/UNIDATA/UnicodeData.txt
# [21:01] <reyre> the 5th column is the bidirectional category
# [21:01] <smontagu> reyre: that's correct
# [21:03] <reyre> smontagu: we were just going to loop through a custom table of just the unicode characters that have strong RTL values and if we find a match we return RTL otherwise LTR
# [21:03] <reyre> does that sound reasonable?
# [21:03] <smontagu> yes, that makes sense
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# [21:04] <smontagu> unless there are cases where you want to default to RTL if there is no strong character
# [21:04] <smontagu> reyre: in what context are you doing this?
# [21:04] <reyre> smontagu: i think we always assume LTR, this is for webvtt
# [21:04] <reyre> we need to figure out the text direction of the subtitle
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# [21:04] <reyre> 'paragraph' direction
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# [21:08] <smontagu> reyre: so the text is always going to be short so you probably don't have to worry about whether only to look at the first n characters
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# [21:09] <smontagu> however it isn't exactly the same algorithm. what you're implementing is going to give you RTL if there are any RTL characters, even if the first strongly directional character is LTR
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# [21:09] <smontagu> this isn't necessarily a bad thing
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# [21:11] <reyre> smontagu: ah yes that's true
# [21:11] <smontagu> IIRC it's what gmail does with ads
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# [21:12] <reyre> isn't that messing how it's *supposed* to work though?
# [21:12] <kats> tbsaunde: any idea why https://hg.mozilla.org/try/rev/1045d7844b60 doesn't reduce the number of static constructors for bug 913640?
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# [21:12] <baron0> has front-end dev here ?
# [21:12] <smontagu> reyre: not sure what you're asking
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# [21:13] <reyre> smontagu: the spec says that it should return LTR if it's the first strong char, and you're right that the way i proposed wouldn't do that
# [21:13] <reyre> i was just curious why you said it wasn't a bad thing?
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# [21:14] <smontagu> reyre: I think with the kind of texts you're working with, it may get the "right" results more often than the algorithm in the spec
# [21:14] <smontagu> no algorithm will be right 100% of the time
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# [21:16] <smontagu> and the spec does allow using different algorithms
# [21:16] <reyre> smontagu: okay i see, that's cool, i would have never thought of that
# [21:16] <reyre> smontagu: so which way do you think we should implement it, the spec way, or the way i suggested?
# [21:16] <smontagu> reyre: go for the way you suggested
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# [21:17] <reyre> smontagu: okay, thanks for your help :)
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# [21:21] <bsmedberg_> RyanVM|sheriffduty: I think I asked you this before but don't remember a response: have you seen any intermittent oranges that look like bug 800347?
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# [21:22] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> bsmedberg_: you did, and I responded that I hadn't
# [21:22] <bsmedberg_> ok, thanks
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# [21:24] <jorendorff> is there a bug on file for people.mozilla.org redirecting everything to / with an HTTP 301?
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# [21:25] <Ms2ger> jorendorff, haven't heard of one
# [21:25] <bsmedberg_> jorendorff: WFM
# [21:25] <jorendorff> uh oh
# [21:25] <jesup> repeat: Hmmm, updated to new mozbuild on windows (and updated from inbound earlier today), build fails with "d3dcompiler.h" not found. It exists in the DirectX SDK includes though.... Anyone else seeing this or have an idea? Do I need compiler or SDK updates?
# [21:25] <bsmedberg_> at least http://people.mozilla.org/~bsmedberg/ does
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# [21:27] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/39bba9d8dbac - Luke Wagner - Bug 912589 - have JSRuntime::helperThreadCount() return GetCPUCount(), not GetCPUCount()-1 (r=bhackett)
# [21:27] <jorendorff> it's https everywhere
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# [21:32] <froydnj> decoder: ping
# [21:34] <+decoder> froydnj: pong
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# [21:34] <froydnj> decoder: do you have asan-clang on a linux box available to you?
# [21:36] <+decoder> froydnj: yea i should have a slightly older one here
# [21:36] <froydnj> decoder: can you check to see what sections an -Os -g compile produces for http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/build/autoconf/compiler-opts.m4#275 ?
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# [21:37] <+decoder> froydnj: what command do I need to run on the resulting binary?
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# [21:38] <froydnj> decoder: readelf --sections -W <binary-or-object-file>
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# [21:38] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/8f055452c4d9 - Gregory Szorc - Bug 860839 - Initial implementation of |mach test|; r=jhammel
# [21:38] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/84c2750c8736 - Gregory Szorc - Bug 913241 - Support chunking mochitests from mach; r=jmaher
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# [21:39] <+decoder> froydnj: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/3010272
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# [21:40] <+decoder> asan builds compile with -O2 btw i think
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# [21:41] <froydnj> hum, nothing in .debug_ranges *or* .debug_aranges
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# [21:42] <froydnj> seems kind of odd
# [21:42] <froydnj> decoder: thanks!
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# [21:44] <+decoder> froydnj: yw :) thanks for helping out with this
# [21:45] <baron0> has front-end dev here ?
# [21:45] <baron0> ^^
# [21:45] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/8dc5604a4a88 - Gregory Szorc - Bug 913231 - Allow mach commands to easily dispatch to other mach commands; r=jhammel
# [21:45] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/bbb2f32dd205 - Gregory Szorc - Backout 2b3846b0c06c for bad bug number in commit message
# [21:46] <baron0> anyone use a framework for front-end dev ?
# [21:46] <baron0> like angularjs and backbone.js ...
# [21:47] <KWierso> baron0: you might try over in #fx-team
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# [21:48] <baron0> LOL
# [21:48] <baron0> thx
# [21:48] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/a8711da4abee - Jim Chen - Bug 897221 - Initialize UserAgentUpdates.jsm inside UserAgentOverrides; r=fabrice
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# [21:49] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/d0938d3591a9 - Jim Chen - Bug 897221 - Add UserAgentUpdates.jsm; r=fabrice
# [21:49] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/44c54f58ce7d - Jim Chen - Bug 897221 - Include nsIUpdateTimerManager in Fennec and B2G; r=fabrice r=mfinkle
# [21:49] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/a085fcd7822c - Jim Chen - Bug 897221 - Schedule in main process and notify content processes of updates for B2G; r=fabrice
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# [21:49] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/59214bd5b894 - Jim Chen - Bug 897221 - Support JS objects and avoid negative delay in nsUpdateTimerManager; r=rstrong
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# [22:01] <+decoder> umm
# [22:01] <+decoder> mozglue isnt linked to the jsshell?
# [22:01] <+decoder> glandium: ^^
# [22:01] <@khuey> wouldn't it be the other way around if anything?
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# [22:04] <+decoder> khuey: yea i mean.. stuff that is defined in mozglue is available in the jsshell
# [22:04] <+decoder> but it seems thats not the case for standalone shell builds
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# [22:09] <@khuey> RyanVM|sheriffduty: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=817700#c147
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# [22:09] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> yeah yeah
# [22:09] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> already fixed it
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# [22:17] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/f8619c29da25 - Philipp Wagner - Bug 913908 - Fix typo in about:license. r=gerv
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# [22:21] <Yuhong> You may notice I have been harping on MS for months about how they decided to restore XP support to VC2012 by using the Win7 SDK that does not include the Metro headers.
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# [22:21] <Yuhong> Of course, most of the time the Win8 SDK headers works fine for XP.
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# [22:23] <imphil> RyanVM|sheriffduty, thanks for the checkin of 913908. quick question: I intentionally didn't set the reviewed patch as obsolete to make the r+ still visible (I always did it that way). is this discouraged now/easier for you to not do it?
# [22:23] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> imphil: there's a link to show obsolete patches
# [22:23] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> reduces clutter to mark obsolete patches as such
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# [22:24] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> imphil: thanks for the patch :)
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# [22:25] <imphil> RyanVM|sheriffduty, ok, then I'll do it like this from now on :)
# [22:25] <imphil> RyanVM|sheriffduty, this was an exceptionally hard patch :)
# [22:25] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> imphil: sounds good :)
# [22:25] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> hah
# [22:25] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> every bit helps
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# [22:30] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/ee3ddbc1a590 - Scott Johnson - Bug 794693, part 1: Refactor nsHTMLReflowState constructor to allow initialization to be done by caller. [r=dbaron]
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# [22:30] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/ec56bbf4c57c - Scott Johnson - Bug 794693, part 2: Perform parent reflow state calculation at the box-block interface before setting up child reflow state to prevent crashing when a parent reflow
# [22:30] <firebot> state is assumed to be non-null. [r=dbaron]
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# [22:31] <@smaug> mwargers: ping
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# [22:32] <mwargers> smaug, pong
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# [22:32] <@smaug> mwargers: you might know... how do I set a pref on b2g
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# [22:32] <@smaug> all I have is the device
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# [22:32] <@smaug> and would like to test something
# [22:32] <mwargers> oh, let me look, I saw some tip about that
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# [22:33] <mwargers> smaug, https://wiki.mozilla.org/B2G/QA/Tips_And_Tricks#For_changing_the_preference:
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# [22:33] <gps> fitzgen: when did you get your laptop and was it new?
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# [22:34] <fitzgen> mbp retina
# [22:34] <@smaug> mwargers: but I need to upload something manually?
# [22:34] <gps> hmmm
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# [22:35] <mwargers> smaug, according to those instructions, you need to pull the user.js file, edit that and then upload it to the device
# [22:36] <mwargers> There might be an easier way, I don't know
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# [22:36] <@smaug> k
# [22:37] <@smaug> I was hoping something that I could do without installing b2g/android tools
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# [22:38] <mwargers> oh, yes, me too. I don't know of any way, I kinda doubt there is one, currently
# [22:38] <@khuey> we should make it so that the konami code opens about:config
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# [22:39] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/bc0791879342 - Ehsan Akhgari - Bug 913830 - Remove more unneeded #includes from the xpconnect IDL files; r=bholley
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# [22:56] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/3e5420f52425 - Ryan VanderMeulen - Backed out changeset 39bba9d8dbac (bug 912589) for Android NoIon jsreftest crashes.
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# [23:08] <seth> is PR_LOG safe off-main-thread?
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# [23:10] <seth> presumably it is, since it logs the calling thread
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# [23:12] <Mook_as> also, it's really happy about mixing log messages from multiple threads :D
# [23:13] <seth> heh, your standard logging-from-multiple-threads problem
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# [23:15] <grobinson> is anybody else running Ubuntu 13 and unable to watch YouTube w/ Firefox?
# [23:16] <seth> uhhh wat? apparently we can get away with recursively locking mozilla::Mutex, which I thought didn't work
# [23:17] <@khuey> it definitely doesn't work
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# [23:18] <seth> khuey: yet somehow i am witnessing a stack trace that seems to indicate it's happening. i don't get it...
# [23:18] <Mook_as> pretty sure there's a separate reentrant version
# [23:19] <seth> Mook_as: yeah, i check though, that's not what's being used here
# [23:19] <Mook_as> oh, no, I'm thinking of monitor
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# [23:32] <seth> khuey: does pthread_mutexattr_init possibly yield recursive mutexes on windows? AFAICT we just take the default mutex attributes which seem to be implementation-defined
# [23:32] <@khuey> we don't use pthreads on windows ...
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# [23:34] <bsmedberg_> ehsan: if I have the mozilla git clone, is there a way to diff "the revision that was hg foo" and "the revision that was hg bar"?
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# [23:37] <seth> khuey: that would make sense. still, are we _sure_ that we're not getting recursive mutexes by default in release builds on windows? (presumably in debug builds the deadlock detection code would barf regardless of the underlying mutex type...)
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# [23:38] <seth> khuey: i haven't done any multithreaded programming on windows, but my first google hit was this: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1988324/how-to-alter-the-recursive-locking-behaviour-of-windows-mutex
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# [23:38] <seth> which suggests that possibly the answer is yes, we are using recursive mutexes by default on windows, but i don't really know
# [23:39] <@khuey> well we end up using CRITICAL_SECTIONs
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# [23:39] <+decoder> khuey: do you happen to know a build variable that tells me if I am building the jsshell as part of a browser build, or if it's standalone? i tried JS_STANDALONE but it doesnt seem to be defined in source, even for standalone builds :/
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# [23:39] <+decoder> khuey: what im trying to do is include code, in case mozglue is not linked
# [23:40] <seth> khuey: those appear to be recursive =\
# [23:40] <@khuey> "When a thread owns a critical section, it can make additional calls to EnterCriticalSection or TryEnterCriticalSection without blocking its execution."
# [23:40] <@khuey> so there's your answer
# [23:40] <seth> heh, yup, just read that page
# [23:40] <@khuey> decoder: not offhand
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# [23:41] <seth> OK, at least i understand what's going on now. this crash i'm debugging sucks worse than i thought since we're probably hitting on other platforms, we're just deadlocking there instead of crashing =\
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# [23:45] <bsmedberg_> seth: which bug?
# [23:45] <seth> bsmedberg_: 910881. just posted on the bug
# [23:45] <bsmedberg_> oh, that one
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# [23:45] <bsmedberg_> lovelt
# [23:45] <bsmedberg_> lovely
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# [23:49] <@khuey> seth: would be great if we could change that recursive behavior
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# [23:49] <@khuey> switching locking primitives is pretty terrifying though :-(
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# [23:50] <seth> yeah, hopefully the pthreads platforms keep us honest but it's a bit disturbing that the error behavior can be so different between the platforms
# [23:51] <@khuey> well debug builds will keep us honest too
# [23:51] <@khuey> but yeah
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# [23:52] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> dholbert: please don't set checkin? on a patch like that? It's extra steps post-landing vs. just using checkin-needed and doesn't get you anywhere that checkin-needed doesn't already do
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# [23:52] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> makes it less likely I'm going to do anything with it today, I'll say that much
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# [23:53] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> dholbert: anyway, inbound's open
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# [23:57] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> oh boy, looks like we officially have glandium's android bustage du jour - https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=27596912&tree=Mozilla-Inbound
# [23:57] <dholbert> RyanVM|sheriffduty, ok, thanks for the heads-up. I was going to put "[check this one in]" in the attachment-name, and then thought I'd use the flag as an indicator for that instead
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# [23:57] <dholbert> RyanVM|sheriffduty, but understood that it adds more post-landing work
# [23:57] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> dholbert: why not just mark the old one obsolete?
# [23:57] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> and leave the one needed for checkin as the only visible one
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# [23:58] <dholbert> RyanVM|sheriffduty, sometimes it's nice to leave old "r+'d with this fixed" patches as visible, to make it clear that r+ has been granted by someone other than oneself
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# [23:58] <RyanVM> meh, we have links for that :)
# [23:58] <dholbert> true
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# [23:58] <RyanVM> if people can't click a link in the name of less clutter, too bad IMO
# [23:58] <jez> I have auto-updates on, and the help dropdown has contained "Downloading SeaMonkey 2.22a2" for hours now. What is taking so long?
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# [23:59] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/2eb63267254c - Nikhil Marathe - Bug 901291 - Get WebIDL callbacks working on Workers. r=khuey
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