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# Session Start: Fri Sep 27 00:00:00 2013
# Session Ident: #developers
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# [00:02] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/0398956b7567 - Olli Pettay - Bug 921221 - Disable ELM optimization on workers, r=nsm
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# [00:20] <fitzgen> wait, can you not use workers in xpcshell tests?
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# [00:22] <baku> Yoric, pong
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# [00:23] <Yoric> fitzgen: What I do is create a jsm and open the worker from the jsm.
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# [00:23] <Yoric> baku: I wanted to ask you how difficult you think it would be to port ArchiveReader to workers.
# [00:23] <Yoric> But it's late, so I'm only going to read your answer tomorrow.
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# [00:24] <fitzgen> Yoric: the debugger server is creating the worker, I just want to test that the debugger server is still doing the right thing
# [00:24] <baku> Yoric, not too complex.
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# [00:24] <baku> file a bug if you really needed :)
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# [00:28] <KWierso|sheriffduty> bsmedberg: ping
# [00:28] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/33a6ceca176d - Ben Turner - Bug 920179 - 'Add resolve hook for IndexedDB constructors on non-window globals'. r=bholley.
# [00:28] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/87a72129c007 - Ben Turner - Bug 920800 - 'Add openKeyCursor() to IDBObjectStore'. r=janv.
# [00:28] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/809c2ffacd34 - Ben Turner - Bug 920633 - 'Add getAllKeys() to IDBObjectStore'. r=janv.
# [00:28] <efaust> who is the right person to bother about mach?
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# [00:29] <KWierso|sheriffduty> efaust: gps
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# [00:29] <efaust> gps: you about?
# [00:29] <KWierso|sheriffduty> efaust: might also try #mach
# [00:30] <efaust> KWierso|sheriffduty: ok, thanks.
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# [00:33] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/20855adc0ef1 - Wes Kocher - Backed out changeset 9cc4d49b29b0 (bug 881237) for xpcshell failures
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# [00:35] <KWierso|sheriffduty> bsmedberg: unping :)
# [00:35] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/5b35eb07b456 - Ehsan Akhgari - Bug 921130 - Minimize the #includes in js/src/jit; r=luke
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# [01:04] <philor> ehsan: fun, you might have broken the hidden-because-we-want-it-shut-off no-ion build, https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=28432259&tree=Mozilla-Inbound
# [01:04] <@ehsan> oh
# [01:04] <NeilAway> smaug: would https://bug886990.bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=777086 cause a leak?
# [01:05] <@ehsan> philor: let me take a look
# [01:05] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/fa87a909fb14 - Gregory Szorc - Bug 921070 - Remove precompile tier; r=glandium
# [01:06] <@ehsan> philor: building locally with --disable-ion right now
# [01:07] <philor> ehsan: tier 3, with all the lack of urgency that implies
# [01:07] <@ehsan> philor: I don't like leaving builds broken :)
# [01:07] <@ehsan> will push a fix before I leave
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# [01:09] <@ehsan> nooooooooo
# [01:09] <@ehsan> :D
# [01:09] <KWierso|sheriffduty> run
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# [01:10] <mbrubeck> tier 2 is a set of steak knives. tier 3 is you're fired.
# [01:11] <@ehsan> actually, I have no idea how to fix this :(
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# [01:11] <@ehsan> I don't know anything about the no-ion mode... will ask luke on the bug
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# [01:11] <@ehsan> philor: sorry :(
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# [01:12] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/38f3ec7c1be1 - Mike Hommey - Bug 920919 - Set MOZ_PSEUDO_DERECURSE to no-parallel-export by default on developer builds... when not using pymake. r=gps
# [01:12] <@smaug> NeilAway: shouldn't
# [01:13] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/c6cb5b72f8d6 - Mike Hommey - Bug 920908 - Use EXPAND_PATH_LIBNAME when linking against libxul/libmozalloc. r=gps
# [01:13] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/3b609dd4b505 - Mike Hommey - Bug 906225 - Add a --enable/disable-gold configure flag. r=gps
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# [01:13] <philor> ehsan: no worries, it'll be a small percentage of my permaorangered starring
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# [01:19] <NeilAway> smaug: hmm, well someone in bug 901370 says it does :s
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# [01:24] <@smaug> NeilAway: hmm
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# [01:33] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/e23aa3077595 - ffxbld - Added FIREFOX_25_0b3_RELEASE FIREFOX_25_0b3_BUILD1 tag(s) for changeset 5939fc06a3cd. DONTBUILD CLOSED TREE a=release
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# [01:33] <KWierso|sheriffduty> so much purple :|
# [01:33] <@khuey> \o/
# [01:34] <@khuey> spaces in MXR are fixed
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# [01:39] <mbrubeck> khuey: It strips them automatically?
# [01:40] <mbrubeck> oh https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=904464
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# [01:44] <philor> is suggesting lying about having met an unmeetable quarterly goal rather than continuing to press to do the wrong thing unreasonable of me?
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# [01:47] <tbsaunde> philor: or just say you didn't make the goal?
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# [01:48] <philor> tbsaunde: yeah, if it was my goal, that's what would happen
# [01:48] * philor gets bent deja vu
# [01:49] <philor> is he already backed out again for the same failure that I wanted him backed out for before when he was backed out, before he relanded the same failing thing?
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# [01:51] <KWierso|sheriffduty> philor: looks like it
# [01:51] <bent> philor, no, i just have one test failure
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# [01:52] <bent> KWierso|sheriffduty, looks like 87a72129c007 needs to come out
# [01:52] <KWierso|sheriffduty> bent: can do
# [01:52] <bent> KWierso|sheriffduty, thanks
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# [01:55] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/a11f8859f7d8 - Wes Kocher - Backed out changeset 87a72129c007 (bug 920800) for indexedDB failures
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# [02:33] <philor> do we already have a bug for GCC segfaults in the version we use to build emulator-jb?
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# [02:37] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/4e1a3919e741 - Nicholas Cameron - Bug 882113. Azurification of compositor classes. r=mattwoodrow
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# [02:40] <Waldo> jcranmer|away: there's no bool helper because the ideal way to do it is with a private class-local type, such that it's literally impossible to subvert; the problem is that would require embedding a private: in a macro or whatever, which seems like a horrible idea (hiding access-control changes in the class structure)
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# [02:47] <grobinson> Hey all, I just had a frustrating experience with Mercurial 2.7.1. When trying to clone mozilla-central, it worked for a long time and then failed (without an error message) partway through the "updating" step
# [02:47] <grobinson> This happened three times and then I switched to git, which worked without issue
# [02:48] <grobinson> Has anybody seen this or similar problems with hg?
# [02:50] <Waldo> never, but I haven't cloned anything mozilla-ish recently
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# [02:51] <Waldo> you could also just download an hg bundle of the entire repo over HTTP, which is probably simpler, maybe resumable, etc.
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# [02:52] <Mook_as> yeah, I've seen things like that, basically it times out pulling the whole source tree in one go. using the bundles usually works better.
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# [02:55] <grobinson> Mook_as: thanks
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# [03:11] <KWierso|sheriffduty> nrc: ping
# [03:11] <nrc> KWierso|sheriffduty: pong
# [03:11] <KWierso|sheriffduty> nrc: busted builds on at least windows :(
# [03:11] <nrc> :-(
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# [03:12] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/3c21fdf48606 - Benjamin Bouvier - Bug 919838: Specialize ToInt32 for Float32; r=sstangl
# [03:13] <nrc> KWierso|sheriffduty: just a sec - its a bit weird, I think I might have forgotten a qref somewhere...
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# [03:13] <KWierso|sheriffduty> nrc: if you have a fix, push it CLOSED TREE :)
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# [03:15] <nrc> KWierso|sheriffduty: I do, and I will :-) Will just take a minute...
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# [03:19] <nrc> KWierso|sheriffduty: done
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# [03:20] <nrc> KWierso|sheriffduty: thanks for the heads up!
# [03:20] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/05af5499a037 - Nicholas Cameron - No bug. Fix windows build bustage on a CLOSED TREE. r=bustage
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# [03:21] <KWierso|sheriffduty> nrc: no problem :)
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# [03:25] <philor> oh, yippee, infinitely retrying android xpcshell
# [03:25] <philor> and thus also S1
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# [03:25] <philor> and probably thus also back on that push from before the previous backout
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# [03:30] <philor> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Mozilla-Inbound&showall=1&onlyunstarred=1&rev=bb0041643a0f :|
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# [03:30] <KWierso|sheriffduty> s/&onlyunstarred=1//
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# [03:30] <philor> that being the story of my life, wish someone would fix that
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# [03:37] <froydnj> KWierso|sheriffduty: do we hide android reftests on inbound, but not on try?
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# [03:37] <froydnj> android 4.0 opt reftests, that is
# [03:37] <froydnj> philor might know the answer to that too ^
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# [03:38] * froydnj intelligently adds showall=1
# [03:39] <froydnj> hm, nope, that's not it
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# [03:39] <@khuey> so, uh
# [03:39] <@khuey> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=1612c43b5bcc
# [03:40] <@khuey> what's happening to android xpcshell there?
# [03:40] <philor> froydnj: keep track of whether you mean android-panda or android-tegra, android 2.2 reftests should be visible both places, android 4.0 should be hidden both places
# [03:40] <KWierso|sheriffduty> khuey: probably the same thing happening https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Mozilla-Inbound
# [03:40] <philor> but might not, since the number of hunks for android-panda increased without telling anyone they needed to hide more
# [03:41] <@khuey> KWierso|sheriffduty: fun
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# [03:41] <froydnj> I see a raft of r3/r6/r7 oranges on my "android 4.0 opt" try run, but I can't see *any* reftests for the same on inbound
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# [03:42] <philor> Excellent!
# [03:42] * philor rubs his hands
# [03:42] <froydnj> not visible on central, either. hm.
# [03:42] <philor> khuey: http://mxr.mozilla.org/build/source/buildbotcustom/status/errors.py#7, not that you really wanted to know why
# [03:43] <froydnj> philor: love the requirement "does not have bugs that only froydnj can fix by staring at disassembly" for android x86 viability
# [03:43] <@bz> Gah
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# [03:43] <@bz> someone has been fucking with find in page again
# [03:43] <philor> :D
# [03:43] <KWierso|sheriffduty> bz: back to bottom
# [03:44] <philor> froydnj: but your try reftests are only &showall=1 visible, right?
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# [03:44] <@bz> KWierso|sheriffduty: no, that part is fine
# [03:44] <@bz> KWierso|sheriffduty: the part where it randomly scrolls the page is not fine
# [03:44] <KWierso|sheriffduty> :\
# [03:44] <froydnj> philor: aha, I had forgotten about that part...turned it on to find android x86 s2 for retriggering
# [03:44] <froydnj> philor: thanks for pointing that out
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# [03:46] <KWierso|sheriffduty> bz: scrolls to the center of the viewport, right?
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# [03:48] <@bz> KWierso|sheriffduty: no, scrolls to top of viewport in this case
# [03:48] <@bz> KWierso|sheriffduty: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=921308
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# [03:49] <KWierso|sheriffduty> bz: ick :|
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# [03:50] <@bz> hrm
# [03:50] <@bz> this has been happening for at least a week....
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# [03:50] <@bz> And yes, ick
# [03:50] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/a1ea604002b6 - Nathan Froyd - Bug 920558 - map anonymous pages differently on ARM and x86; r=glandium
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# [03:52] <darktrojan> I'm trying to create an about page, it works fine registering it with a chrome.manifest, but this is a bootstrapped addon, so I can't. If I register the factory using JS, it registers but doesn't QI properly :/ http://pastebin.mozilla.org/3153879
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# [03:53] <darktrojan> who knows about component registration?
# [03:54] <glandium> darktrojan: i do
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# [03:54] <darktrojan> glandium, what've I done wrong?
# [03:55] <glandium> darktrojan: without more context, i can't tell, but you can look at https://github.com/glandium/about-startup/blob/master/bootstrap.js and compare with what you have
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# [03:56] <glandium> darktrojan: or https://github.com/glandium/tabstats/blob/master/bootstrap.js , which doesn't have the thunderbird hacks
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# [03:58] <darktrojan> I need to call NSGetFactory, not pass it
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# [03:58] <darktrojan> thanks glandium
# [03:59] <froydnj> darktrojan: hate that mistake =/
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# [03:59] <darktrojan> my component-fu is weak
# [04:00] <KWierso|sheriffduty> bz: methinks you want to talk to evilpie about possibly bug 916534 or bug 916864
# [04:00] <KWierso|sheriffduty> landed on the 17th
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# [04:04] <KWierso|sheriffduty> bz: with that regression range, 666816?
# [04:05] <KWierso|sheriffduty> although the backout of moving the findbar to the top (914180) is also in that range
# [04:06] <@bz> KWierso|sheriffduty: those were my top contenders, yes
# [04:06] <@bz> KWierso|sheriffduty: but the backout of the backout is in the range too
# [04:06] <@bz> KWierso|sheriffduty: so I'm just doing a bisect on builds
# [04:06] * @bz will know in a few hours
# [04:06] <KWierso|sheriffduty> good luck, have fun :)
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# [04:09] <darktrojan> "No bug - Fix white-space mistakes; DONTBUILD" is an acceptable commit message, isn't it
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# [04:10] <nrc> needs r=me or something to pass the commit hook checker things
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# [04:11] <nrc> (I think)
# [04:11] <darktrojan> oh good point
# [04:11] <@njn> nrc, darktrojan: AIUI, r=foo isn't checked for
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# [04:12] <nrc> oh? You mean I spend all that time typing r=bustage for nothing?
# [04:12] <nrc> think of the finger-energy I could have saved!
# [04:12] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/7ccdb7bec8b2 - Geoff Lankow - No bug - Fix white-space mistakes; r=me DONTBUILD
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# [04:21] <nemo> yeesh. I access a twitch.tv live stream in firefox
# [04:21] <nemo> and firefox and plugin-container (seemed about 50:50) sucked up all 16GiB of RAM on my machine :(
# [04:21] <nemo> http://www.twitch.tv/chucklefishlive FWIW, and Ubuntu 12.10
# [04:21] <nemo> but anyway. ☹ ☹ ☹
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# [04:22] <@bz> don't we have a whitelist of what parts of libxul get pgo?
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# [04:22] <@khuey> yes
# [04:22] <KWierso> nemo: memory's holding steady for me
# [04:23] <@bz> aha
# [04:23] <@bz> yes, it is
# [04:23] <nemo> KWierso: just killed 'em off and started it up again
# [04:23] <@bz> MSVC_ENABLE_PGO := 1, I see
# [04:23] <nemo> 'sact same thing seems to be happening
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# [04:24] <KWierso> nemo: I'm on win8, though, so maybe that's different
# [04:24] <KWierso> nemo: possibly also flash version?
# [04:24] <nemo> I 'spose
# [04:24] <nemo> *hate flash*
# [04:24] <KWierso> and I'm on nightly, not release
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# [04:24] <nemo> this is nightly
# [04:25] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/da123d3e4073 - Anthony Jones - Bug 920847 - Remove gfxSize reference from Azure; r=kats
# [04:26] <glandium> erf: hg log -u glandium |grep changeset | wc -l
# [04:26] <glandium> 1337
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# [04:27] <@khuey> 908 for me
# [04:27] <glandium> that's however not the number of changesets i landed
# [04:27] <@khuey> plus some from back when I commited with me@kylehuey.com
# [04:28] <@khuey> well it will include backouts too right?
# [04:28] <glandium> because backouts description match
# [04:28] <nemo> KWierso: the weird thing is that even though I hear the drive thrashing, and I'm toooootally out of RAM
# [04:28] <@khuey> right
# [04:28] <nemo> KWierso: the process memory is not horribly high
# [04:28] <glandium> that is the right number: hg log --template '{node}\n' -u glandium | wc -l ; but it's less fun
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# [04:29] <@bz> hg log -u takes its sweet time....
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# [04:29] <nemo> KWierso: wonder if it is writing some stupid large /tmp file or something
# [04:30] <glandium> khuey: hg log --template '{node}\n' -u kylehuey | wc -l
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# [04:30] <glandium> khuey: that actually matches both your old and current id
# [04:30] <@bz> of course this counts changesets
# [04:30] <@bz> which is a semi-useless metric
# [04:30] <nemo> kinda difficult to investigate when I can barely type anything :-/
# [04:30] * nemo sighs and kills it again
# [04:30] <@bz> since one bug could be 20 changesets
# [04:30] <@bz> or 1
# [04:30] <@bz> depending
# [04:31] <@khuey> glandium: yeah, makes sense
# [04:31] <@dbaron> it also counts relandings
# [04:31] <@khuey> bz: it's like measuring lines of code
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# [04:31] <nemo> curious. I killed plugin container a minute ago, and all my memory is still sucked up
# [04:32] <@bz> khuey: indeed
# [04:32] <nemo> I didn't get it back until I killed firefox too.
# [04:32] <@bz> khuey: though measuring loc can be useful
# [04:32] <glandium> note i wasn't trying to start a contest, i was just amused that the count was 1337
# [04:33] <@bz> khuey: as long as you only give kudos for net reductions. ;)
# [04:33] <@dbaron> hg log --user=dbaron@dbaron.org | grep "^summary:" | sort | uniq | wc -l
# [04:33] <@bz> glandium: oh, heh.
# [04:33] <@khuey> glandium: yes I suspected as much
# [04:33] <@khuey> bz: heh
# [04:33] * @khuey wishes someone would rm rdf/
# [04:33] <glandium> khuey: hg rm rdf; hg commit ; done
# [04:34] <glandium> oh wait, it's not that easy?
# [04:34] <@bz> yesplease
# [04:34] <@khuey> it's slightly more complex
# [04:34] <@bz> rdfcode--
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# [04:34] <glandium> dbaron: you may want to filter out backouts too
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# [04:36] <glandium> dbaron: (fwiw, sort -u does sort | uniq)
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# [04:36] <Waldo> template parameters and linkage are no fun
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# [04:39] <glandium> dbaron: this too is interesting: hg log --user=dbaron@dbaron.org | grep "^summary:" | sort | uniq -c | sort -n | tail -1
# [04:40] <@dbaron> glandium, well, those were actually distinct changes and not relandings :-)
# [04:40] <glandium> 644608 too me 5 attempts
# [04:40] <glandium> took
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# [04:42] <glandium> bwarf https://pastebin.mozilla.org/3154091
# [04:43] <glandium> https://pastebin.mozilla.org/3154102
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# [04:44] <glandium> the mergers https://pastebin.mozilla.org/3154105
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# [04:47] <glandium> top 10 mergers https://pastebin.mozilla.org/3154114
# [04:47] <@khuey> heh, gal used to merge?
# [04:48] <glandium> khuey: probably on a js branch
# [04:48] <@khuey> yeah, tracemonkey back in the day
# [04:48] <@khuey> just seems odd
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# [04:48] <heycam> since when did finding straight quotes on the page also find curly quotes? that's nice!
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# [04:49] <glandium> khuey: most are from 2008-2009
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# [05:00] <RyanVM|afk> glandium: WHO'S YOUR DADDY?
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# [05:05] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/0f1e4c73c502 - Nicholas Nethercote - Bug 920852 (part 3) - Tweak various things about RuntimeStats. r=till.
# [05:05] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/6fb1c750791f - Nicholas Nethercote - Bug 920852 (part 4) - Reorder a bunch of stuff. r=till.
# [05:05] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/5337cffcd17d - Nicholas Nethercote - Bug 920852 (part 2) - Rename fields of ZoneStatsPod and StringInfo to match memory reporter paths. r=till.
# [05:05] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/66173e4d2735 - Nicholas Nethercote - Bug 920852 (part 1) - Rename fields of ObjectsExtraSizes and CompartmentStats to match memory reporter paths. r=till.
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# [05:20] <Waldo> njn: basically data to describe the calling conventions of XPCOM methods, the constants in XPCOM intefaces, etc. used to implement the cross-language bits of XPCOM
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# [05:21] <Waldo> njn: less relevant with WebIDL, and there not really being cross-language usage of XPCOM
# [05:21] <Waldo> njn: still matters for all the XPCOM gunk in the browser UI and such, tho
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# [05:32] <@dbaron> njn, and does still have a big codesize-per-interface advantage
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# [05:32] <@dbaron> Waldo, really only allows one calling convention per platform, though
# [05:33] <Waldo> bz: er, right -- how to pass all the arguments (including implicit ones) and retrieve the return value, is closer to what I meant
# [05:33] <Waldo> er, dbaron
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# [05:34] <@dbaron> Waldo, also, may you never have to debug a calling convention mismatch...
# [05:34] <philor> awesomesauce, KWierso and RyanVM retriggered a Windows build within seconds of each other, and then their retriggers uploaded within seconds of each other, so the tests downloaded a mangled half-overwritten file
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# [05:35] <Waldo> I dunno, it doesn't sound too bad -- usually you're going to crash really quick, I'd think, and in situations like that calling convention differences would likely be on the mind somewhat
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# [05:41] <kanru> bz: do you think it's a good idea to add a extended attribute "[Permission=...]" (or PermissionFunc) to WebIDL?
# [05:41] <kanru> bz: then it'll be easier to fix bug 859554
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# [05:42] <@bz> kanru: what would it do?
# [05:42] <@khuey> check the permissions manager for that permission, presumably
# [05:42] <kanru> bz: return null if it does not pass the check
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# [05:43] <@bz> which it?
# [05:43] <@bz> does not pass which check? ;)
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# [05:43] <kanru> er, the marked attribute, method or interface
# [05:43] <@bz> Will it basically do what the GetWindowFromGlobal/CheckPermission bits in Navigator do?
# [05:43] * philor glares at bug 917508
# [05:44] <kanru> bz: yes
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# [05:44] <@bz> ok
# [05:44] <@bz> We could do that
# [05:45] <@bz> I mean, it'd just be syntactic sugar to avoid writing that bit of code, right?
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# [05:46] <kanru> bz: well, not exactly the same. Currently we return undefined for those cannot pass the permission check
# [05:47] <kanru> bz: but we want to return null instead
# [05:47] <philor> can't we find alcoholic street people, give them wood alcohol until they vomit, and call their vomit "Androidx86 Test Results"?
# [05:47] <kanru> undefined for unsupported, null for lack of permission
# [05:48] <@khuey> philor: in SF? almost certainly
# [05:48] <@bz> kanru: uh
# [05:48] <@bz> kanru: what are you talking about? ;)
# [05:48] <@bz> kanru: currently in webidl....
# [05:48] <@bz> kanru: you just define Func=whatever
# [05:48] <@bz> kanru: that returns a boolean
# [05:48] <@bz> kanru: That says whether to expose a property.
# [05:49] <@bz> kanru: Navigator::HasTimeSupport is an example
# [05:49] <@bz> kanru: The thing is, it turned out that navigator stuff needed multiple variations on that theme
# [05:49] <@dbaron> philor, did you see the emulator bug froydnj found?
# [05:49] <philor> "on this platform, unlike every other platform, -1 % -1 === +0. let's ignore that, and see if it breaks someone who doesn't know how to identify why the platform is broken!"
# [05:49] <@bz> e.g. some properties were enabled if any of several permissions was set
# [05:50] <@bz> or if all of several permissions were set...
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# [05:50] <@bz> kanru: so the upshot is that you can do the right thing right now; it just involves writing a C++ function.
# [05:50] <philor> dbaron: yes, multiple times per day I'm explaining why that means we cannot make any androidx86 tests visible, no, no, we cannot make them visible by the end of the quarter, no, no, they absolutely are not acceptable
# [05:50] <@bz> kanru: I assume you're trying to avoid that?
# [05:50] <kanru> bz: and if Navigator::HasTimeSupport returns false, navigator.time will be undefined and |mozTime in navigator| will fail
# [05:50] <@dbaron> philor, https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=917562#c17
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# [05:51] <@bz> kanru: If HasTimeSupport returns false, then yes, mozTime in navigator will be false, and navigator.mozTime will be undefined
# [05:51] <philor> dbaron: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=917361#c5 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=917361#c9
# [05:52] <philor> maybe you can do a better job than I am
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# [05:53] <@dbaron> philor, ah, indeed, you do read your bugmail :-)
# [05:53] <kanru> bz: it seems bug 859554 want to make unsupported feature distinguishable to inaccessible feature
# [05:56] <@bz> well, there's a fundamental tension here..
# [05:56] <@bz> between what different groups of people want
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# [05:57] <@bz> Basically, the only issue is marketplace
# [05:57] <@bz> no?
# [05:57] <@bz> As in, for normal web pages inaccessible and unsupported should not be distinguishable
# [05:57] <@bz> marketplace is the only one who cares about the difference, afaict
# [05:57] <kanru> I guess so.
# [05:58] <@bz> Is marketplace a normal web page?
# [05:58] <@bz> In terms of permissions?
# [05:58] <@bz> Basically, my take on it is that stuff you don't have permissions for should simply not be present
# [05:59] <@bz> and we should solve marketplace problems in some way that does not pollute the entire web
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# [06:00] <kanru> marketplace is just a normal web page. otherwise there is a chicken&egg problem, how do you install a new marketplace without a existing one ;)
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# [06:01] <kanru> oh, maybe on the phone has a builtin one..
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# [06:03] <@bz> we really need to sit down and figure out how this stuff is going to work
# [06:03] <@bz> Basically
# [06:03] <@bz> "we" needs to include sicking, I expect
# [06:03] <@bz> not sure whom else
# [06:03] <sicking> what's the question?
# [06:04] <@bz> sicking: the usual
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# [06:04] <@bz> sicking: unsupported stuff vs "you don
# [06:04] <@bz> 't have permissions" stuff
# [06:04] <@bz> and how to express that in JS
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# [06:04] <@bz> ideally while enabling marketplace
# [06:04] <sicking> ah
# [06:04] <@bz> but not fucking over all the normal web developers who want to do object-detection
# [06:04] <@bz> Maybe we just need some sort of API for marketplace....
# [06:04] <sicking> so marketplace is basically unprivileged right now
# [06:04] * @bz points to hasFeature. ;)
# [06:05] <@bz> Right.
# [06:05] <@bz> So we can't just make it see something different than normal web pages....
# [06:05] <sicking> they are only privileged in that they have access to the MCC/MNC (home country and network), which is unrelated to this
# [06:05] <@bz> Right
# [06:05] <sicking> bz: we could, but we'd rather not
# [06:06] <@bz> Well, I'd rather not screw over web developers
# [06:06] <sicking> bz: i think a hasFeature-style API is what we need sadly :(
# [06:06] <@bz> who've been taught for years now how to do feature-detection
# [06:06] <@bz> right
# [06:06] <sicking> which would only have support for detecting privileged APIs
# [06:06] <@bz> I'm not saying restricted only to marketplace
# [06:06] <sicking> like hasPrivilegedFeature
# [06:06] <@bz> Since clearly it couldn't be
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# [06:06] <@bz> couldHaveFeatureIfIHadThePrivileges
# [06:06] <sicking> right
# [06:07] <sicking> i don't think the hasPrivilegedFeature API is useful to anyone but marketplace(s)
# [06:07] <@bz> I agree
# [06:07] <sicking> which is good because it'll be a crappy API
# [06:07] <sicking> anyone else can just use normal feature detection
# [06:07] <@bz> Yup
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# [06:08] <sicking> so maybe something like hasPrivilegedFeature("navigator.mozSMS.send", arg1, arg2, arg3)
# [06:08] <@bz> What would the args be?
# [06:08] <sicking> which would mean that a privileged app would have the ability to call navigator.mozSMS.send(arg1, arg2, arg3)
# [06:08] <@bz> Ah
# [06:09] <@bz> Interesting.
# [06:09] <sicking> i think this was part of the problem with hasFeature. Too course
# [06:09] <@bz> Our current setup is way more coarse-grained than that!
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# [06:09] <sicking> coarse?
# [06:09] <@bz> Right
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# [06:09] <@bz> I could live with this
# [06:09] <@bz> WAy better than the other options.
# [06:09] <sicking> the real problem is how the heck do we keep hasPrivilegedFeature up-to-date?
# [06:10] <sicking> a "good" solution would be to do something like this:
# [06:10] <sicking> make the implementation of navigator.mozSMS.send call hasPrivilegedFeature("navigator.mozSMS.send", …args)
# [06:10] <sicking> and if that returns false, then throw a NotSupported exception
# [06:10] <sicking> that way, if we forget to update hasPrivilegedFeature, we'll notice very quickly
# [06:11] <sicking> but the perf of that is problematic
# [06:11] <Waldo> philor: do you honestly think it's more important, right now, to debug an issue on a platform we don't ship on (we don't ship android x86, right), than to, say, implement and expose useful internationalization APIs for the web as a whole?
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# [06:13] <philor> Waldo: you're right! instead of investigating why the CSS tests were crashing and finding that it was because the emulator just reads random memory, we should have disabled all the CSS tests, and made the rest of the tests visible before the end of the quarter!
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# [06:14] <philor> sure, we would back out patch after patch after patch, because we made unreliable tests on a broken platform visible, but... end of the quarter!
# [06:14] <@bz> oh!
# [06:14] <@bz> man
# [06:14] <@bz> This findbar thing is what makes me lose focus too!
# [06:14] <Waldo> philor: I wasn't talking about all CSS tests, only about a single issue in a seemingly obscure situation where you're doing fairly weird things with the % operator
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# [06:15] <Waldo> philor: I don't know anything about this CSS situation
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# [06:15] <@bz> bad evilpie
# [06:15] <@bz> bad reviewers. :(
# [06:15] <Waldo> philor: but it *is* worth noting that propping up tests, even if they're hidden, so that they can be attacked, seems like useful forward progress to me
# [06:15] <philor> Waldo: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=917562#c17
# [06:16] <philor> people are working very hard to make tests which read random memory visible, so that we can back out patches which break when random memory is read
# [06:16] <sicking> bz: what do you think about the above? We could even build the "call hasPrivilegedFeature and throw as needed" into WebIDL through annotated functions in the IDL
# [06:16] <philor> where by "working hard" I mean "disabling hard" of course
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# [06:17] <sicking> bz: maybe we could only do the check on debug builds… That does seem a bit evil though
# [06:17] <Waldo> wait, what? I got needinfo'd on that bug at some point?
# [06:17] <@bz> sicking: why woudl we need to do it in idl?
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# [06:17] <sicking> bz: no need. Just easier than remembering to call it everywhere
# [06:17] * Waldo definitely missed that
# [06:18] <@bz> sicking: ah
# [06:18] <sicking> bz: and it means that we can catch the values before they are turned from jsval's into all types of types
# [06:18] <@bz> sicking: I'm not sure how this is supposed to work
# [06:19] <@bz> sicking: if the function is being called at all, that means a _basic_ permission check has passed
# [06:19] <@bz> sicking: in that the page saw the function to start with.
# [06:19] <@bz> sicking: so we're doing additional checks on top of that.
# [06:19] <sicking> bz: hang on
# [06:19] <sicking> bz: so the problem i'm trying to solve is different i think
# [06:20] <Waldo> philor: and they're really saying "we should make this visible even though there are bugs to work through still", not "we need to get this to the point where it basically works, then debug the lingering issues"?
# [06:20] <sicking> bz: the main problem with something like hasPrivilegedFeature(…) is that it's really easy to add functionality to an API, but then forget to update the code/database that backs hasPrivilegedFeature
# [06:20] <sicking> bz: i.e. keeping hasPrivilegedFeature up-to-date will be tedious and easy to forget
# [06:21] <philor> Waldo: see the multiple instances of "before Monday" in bug 917361
# [06:21] * Waldo will note that, independent of anything here, he thinks goals-by-quarter is a kind of ridiculous artificiality
# [06:21] <philor> and we don't debug the lingering issues
# [06:21] <sicking> bz: so I was trying to think of a way to ensure that we always remember to update hasPrivilegedFeature as we add new functionality
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# [06:21] <philor> when we stand up a new platform, we disable the tests that fail, and we leave them disabled. forever.
# [06:21] <sicking> bz: i'm not trying to solve any security check problems. As far as I know security checks work fine right now
# [06:22] <philor> that -1 % -1 !== -0? that will never, ever be reenabled, not unless you personally see to it
# [06:22] * Waldo will further note that he has much better things to do, immediately, than set up an android x86 build environment to even attempt to debug any issue there
# [06:22] <Waldo> that's probably half a day to a day at least
# [06:23] <philor> if it starts working tomorrow, or Monday, or when we get a new less-buggy emulator, it'll still be disabled
# [06:23] <sicking> bz: hasPrivilegedFeature shouldn't do any security checks as far as I understand.
# [06:24] <@bz> sicking: Ah, I see
# [06:24] <Waldo> philor: conceivably we could start versioning test262-test-changes-atop-the-baseline, or something, which would at least mitigate the fixed-by-emulator-update consideration
# [06:24] <tbsaunde> bz: that's the find bar thing that you find and then focus jumps back a bit? that's seriously been annoying me
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# [06:24] <@bz> tbsaunde: that's https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=921308
# [06:25] <@bz> tbsaunde: but no, I'm talking the one where it changes which _window_ has focuse
# [06:25] * @bz is filing
# [06:25] <tbsaunde> bz: that's even crazier
# [06:25] <@bz> tbsaunde: basically, the old code had all sorts of careful checking to not fuck up focus
# [06:25] <@bz> tbsaunde: which all got unceremouniously removed
# [06:25] <Waldo> philor: I really don't like the precedent set by actually versioning such changes, tho -- I'd *rather* they be something that annoys people like you, than that there's a process to accommodate them, I think :-)
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# [06:26] <@bz> tbsaunde: and the worst part is: _closing_ the findbar is what fucks with focus!
# [06:26] <Waldo> the change kind of annoys me as well, to be honest
# [06:26] <tbsaunde> ... oops
# [06:26] <Waldo> but priorities right now
# [06:26] <@bz> sicking: ok, fully with you now
# [06:26] <@bz> sicking: ok, so I agree that this would be hard to keep straight
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# [06:26] <@bz> sicking: So here's a thing
# [06:27] <@bz> sicking: What do we really want hasPrivilegedFeature to reflect?
# [06:27] <@bz> sicking: ideally, it's "would this feature be enabled if I had some privilege"?
# [06:27] <@bz> sicking: right?
# [06:27] <sicking> bz: well.. it's more "would this call work if I had some privilege"
# [06:28] <@bz> sicking: well, that's an interesting question
# [06:28] <sicking> bz: for marketplace it could even be "would this call work if I had privilege X"
# [06:28] <@bz> sicking: That's a somewhat different problem
# [06:28] <sicking> if that was an easier question to answer
# [06:28] <@bz> sicking: The question "will this property appear if I have feature X"
# [06:28] <@bz> sicking: is imo much simpler
# [06:28] <@bz> sicking: because then we can do the following:
# [06:29] <sicking> bz: no, it's not "would this property appear"
# [06:29] <@bz> Why not?
# [06:29] <sicking> that's too coarse likely
# [06:29] <@bz> mmm
# [06:29] <@bz> so the thing is
# [06:29] <sicking> hence my suggestion for arguments
# [06:29] <@bz> for a lot of properties that's all there is to it
# [06:30] <@bz> and then for some, you have to do deep introspection of arguments and compare them to enabled permissions....
# [06:30] <sicking> how do you mean?
# [06:30] <@bz> well, like say the mozTiming thing
# [06:30] <sicking> "all there is to it"?
# [06:30] <@bz> There is no magic
# [06:30] <@bz> either you have the permission, and then you have the property and it works
# [06:30] <@bz> or you don't, and there is no property.
# [06:30] <sicking> no
# [06:30] <sicking> the problem is slightly different
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# [06:31] <sicking> what marketplace wants to answer is "will this app work once user installs it"
# [06:31] <@bz> yes
# [06:31] <@bz> I understand that.
# [06:31] <sicking> because if it won't, then the marketplace wants to hide the app
# [06:31] <sicking> hang on
# [06:31] <@bz> That's a .... very multi-dimensional question.
# [06:32] <sicking> so we added a feature to maniffests, that's unrelated to security which is called "required_features"
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# [06:32] <sicking> in that you could for example stick the string "indexedDB" to say that you require indexedDB to work
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# [06:33] <sicking> the strings and what web-feature set they map to, is defined by marketplace currently. Ideally there would be a spec, but that's a separate question
# [06:33] <sicking> so you could imagine that in a few releases we'll add something like JS-expression indexes to IDB
# [06:33] <@bz> ok
# [06:33] <sicking> this wouldn't be a new function, you'd still use IDBObjectStore.createIndex to create them
# [06:33] <sicking> but you'd pass different arguments to that function
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# [06:34] <sicking> so marketplace could add support for "indexedDB.expressionIndexes"
# [06:34] <@bz> ok
# [06:34] <sicking> and then write a JS-snippet that tests if expression indexes work
# [06:34] <@bz> and then we need to have something in Gecko that says we support that feature
# [06:35] <sicking> right
# [06:35] <sicking> they can write that JS-snippet today, things are great
# [06:35] <@bz> because marketplace can't test stuff it has no permissions for
# [06:35] <sicking> unless the API is privileged
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# [06:35] <@bz> right
# [06:35] <sicking> so imagine that IDB had been privileged here
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# [06:35] <@bz> Then we would need a secret handshake
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# [06:36] <@bz> Which does _not_ involve privileged code running a marketplace-provided snippet
# [06:36] <sicking> then they don't to just see if the createIndex function is there, they want to see if accepts a certain set of arguments
# [06:36] <@bz> ok
# [06:36] <sicking> specifically they want to see if createIndex("foo", { expression: "bar" }) would work
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# [06:37] <sicking> so they could do that if we had hasPrivilegedFeature("IDBObjectStore.createIndex", "foo", { expression: "bar" })
# [06:37] <aja> so....how would marketplace work if used by another browser?
# [06:37] <@bz> right
# [06:37] * @bz thinks
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# [06:38] <sicking> aja: well.. ideally all of this gets standardized. Until we have a common "privileged apps" runtime that's unlikely to happen
# [06:38] <aja> or how would markerplace work if there's another browser with the feature in question?
# [06:38] <sicking> aja: but we are working on that. But it'll take time
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# [06:38] <sicking> aja: if the other browser doesn't have something like hasPrivilegedFeature, then obviously it wouldn't work. The whole problem is the lack of something like hasPrivilegedFeature
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# [06:39] <@bz> sicking: so conceptually
# [06:39] <sicking> aja: if we could work around this without hasPrivilegedFeature, then we would
# [06:39] * aja is just throwing out openness theoreticals
# [06:39] <@bz> sicking: we want to call the actual method
# [06:39] <@bz> sicking: but with some sort of flag that tells it "once you finish all your input validation, do nothing and return"
# [06:39] <@bz> sicking: btw, if some of the validation happens async, we may need an async API here...
# [06:40] <sicking> bz: assuming that the function does input validation up-top yeah
# [06:40] <@bz> sicking: well, if it doesn't things are bad
# [06:40] <sicking> bz: i didn't have in mind that we'd call the actual function. That seems too scary to me
# [06:40] <@bz> sicking: if you want to do the full range of checks that will be done...
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# [06:40] <@bz> sicking: ok. It seems like the only way to avoid skew to me. ;)
# [06:40] <sicking> bz: i had imagined a database or a bunch of custom code
# [06:41] <sicking> bz: well.. i think my other proposal avoids skew. But it has perf issues
# [06:41] <@bz> sicking: The other proposal being what?
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# [06:41] <@bz> sicking: that the generated code pass the values to this function first?
# [06:41] <@bz> sicking: and if it says not allowed it throws?
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# [06:42] <sicking> bz: s/not allows/not implemented/
# [06:42] <@bz> sicking: ight
# [06:42] <@bz> er, right
# [06:42] <sicking> bz: this isn't about permission. It's about implemented
# [06:42] <@bz> So the problem is that operating on the input JS values is generally web-detectable
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# [06:42] <sicking> bz: yeah. that doesn't prevent skew, but it makes skew immediately noticed
# [06:42] <@bz> so as soon as you try to introspect them in almost any interesting way....
# [06:42] <@bz> the web page can tell.
# [06:42] <@bz> So we'd have to do this debug-only indeed, or something.
# [06:43] <sicking> yeah
# [06:43] <sicking> this idea might be too crazy
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# [06:43] <sicking> but i think your idea might be too crazy too :)
# [06:43] <sicking> bz: one option is to stop shooting for perfection (my fault, sorry)
# [06:43] <@bz> Agreed.
# [06:44] <@bz> Agreed re might be too crazy. ;)
# [06:44] <sicking> bz: and instead answer the question "is this function available if I had had higher privileges"
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# [06:44] <@bz> _that_ question is easy
# [06:44] <@bz> imo
# [06:44] <@bz> That's what I was going to talk about
# [06:44] <sicking> yeah
# [06:45] <@bz> We would do it like so
# [06:45] * sicking listens
# [06:45] <@bz> in WebIDL: [NeedsPrivilege=a,b,c]
# [06:45] <@bz> Where if any of a, b, c are set the function appears on the proto
# [06:45] <@bz> (or if all are set? Or do we need boolean expressions?)
# [06:46] <@bz> And then we codegen a function that takes as input an interface name, method name, and privilege name
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# [06:46] <@bz> and returns whether having that privilege would enable that method on that interface.
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# [06:46] <@bz> Since the codegen has all that information in the form of NeedsPrivilege annotations, it should be simple.
# [06:46] <sicking> bz: i'd rather not have hasPrivilegedFeature take a permission name. That just makes it so much harder to standardize
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# [06:46] <@bz> ok
# [06:47] <sicking> could we avoid that?
# [06:47] <@bz> Sure
# [06:47] <@bz> I mean...
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# [06:47] <@bz> the key part is that the codegen knows which permissions enable the function
# [06:47] <@bz> so it knows that _some_ permission enables the function. ;)
# [06:47] <@bz> So then it can generate a function that answers the "is there some permission that enables this function?" question
# [06:48] <sicking> bz: i think starting there is the place to start
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# [06:48] <@bz> Makes sense to me
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# [06:48] <@bz> So then the question is whether to just start with support for "a function that's enabled by a single permission"
# [06:48] <sicking> bz: so the API would be hasPriviledgedFeature("InterfaceName.functionName")
# [06:48] <@bz> or something more complicated?
# [06:48] <@bz> sicking: yep
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# [06:50] <sicking> bz: do we need [NeedsPrivilege=a,b,c] at all? Couldn't we just return true if there's a [Func="…"] thing in the WebIDL
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# [06:51] <sicking> bz: or do you want NeedsPrivilege for other reasons too?
# [06:51] <@bz> sicking: well, not all those Funcs are permission checks
# [06:51] <@bz> sicking: Certainly not all are permission manager checks
# [06:51] <@bz> sicking: e.g. IsChromeOrXBL stuff should not show up here, I would expect
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# [06:51] <@bz> Or nsGenericHTMLElement::TouchEventsEnabled
# [06:52] <@bz> (which is checking a tristate pref and harware availability)
# [06:52] <sicking> bz: yeah.. i was hoping the error-rate was smaller than it looks like it would be
# [06:52] <sicking> bz: so maybe just add [NeedsPrivilege]
# [06:52] <@bz> sicking: the other benefit of doing the NeedsPrivilege thing
# [06:52] <@bz> is that we could auto-generate the check
# [06:52] <@bz> instead of people having to write boilerplate C++
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# [06:53] <@bz> But again, only if we can declaratively express the actual check to be done
# [06:53] <sicking> bz: yeah… for b2g that's not that important. The really important security checks need to be in the parent process anyway
# [06:53] <@bz> which is not that important?
# [06:53] <@bz> These aren't security checks
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# [06:53] <@bz> they're just "is the API exposed?" checks
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# [06:54] <@bz> So a cheap way out
# [06:54] <sicking> bz: what do you mean by "These". The ones with "Func=" or the ones that we want hasPrivilegedFeature to return true for?
# [06:54] <@bz> The Func= ones
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# [06:54] <sicking> bz: yeah, forget about the Func= ones, that was a bad idea
# [06:54] <@bz> Well
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# [06:55] <@bz> so one option is to have PermissionFunc in IDL
# [06:55] <@bz> which is identical to Fun
# [06:55] <@bz> er, to Func
# [06:55] <sicking> bz: the other problem is that navigator.mozSMS has a func= thing. But SMSManager.send does not
# [06:55] <@bz> except that it contributes to autogeneration of the hasPrivilegedFeature method
# [06:55] <@bz> So all it says is "this depends on some privileges"
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# [06:55] <@bz> sicking: hmm
# [06:55] <@njn> who knows how to use |perf|? I'm trying to interpret the interleaving of asm and C++ shown by |perf annotate|
# [06:56] <@bz> man
# [06:56] <@bz> reading this code is sadfaces
# [06:56] * @bz reads code, it looks fishy, tries testcase, files bug
# [06:56] <sicking> bz: what code?
# [06:56] <@bz> third one so far. :(
# [06:56] <@bz> sicking: findbar
# [06:56] <sicking> ah
# [06:56] <@bz> sicking: unrelated to our conversation. ;)
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# [06:59] * Waldo reads the BEST COMMENT EVER in a patch
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# [07:00] <@bz> Waldo: better than brendan's comment about jsdhash? ;)
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# [07:01] <Waldo> bz: which comment is that?
# [07:01] <Waldo> and yes, almost assuredly better
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# [07:01] <@bz> Waldo: http://mxr.mozilla.org/firefox/source/js/src/jsdhash.h#123
# [07:01] <sicking> bz: so if we do something like an annotation in the WebIDL, we stil end up with the problem of "since the security check isn't on the object itself, you still have to remember to add an annotation somewhere to keep the hasPrivilegedFeature API up-to-date"
# [07:02] <Waldo> bz: orthogonally best
# [07:02] <@bz> sicking: well, so the benefit of the annotation
# [07:02] <@njn> bz: are you being sarcastic about brendan's comment?
# [07:02] <@bz> sicking: is that presumably we have tests to make sure the api is/isnot available based on the permission
# [07:02] <@bz> njn: no
# [07:02] <@bz> njn: it's a comment that actually explains wtf is going on
# [07:03] <@bz> njn: which is good!
# [07:03] <@njn> bz: IMHO it's *too* detailed
# [07:03] <@bz> sicking: so if you get the annotation right to pass those tests...
# [07:03] <@njn> bz: like, it took me a while to understand the point
# [07:03] <@bz> njn: :(
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# [07:03] <@bz> sicking: then you automatically get the right hasPrivilegedFeature thing, right?
# [07:03] <sicking> bz: i'm going to put in a good word for a comment of my own: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/dom/indexedDB/Key.cpp#20
# [07:03] <@njn> bz: and it's mostly irrelevant... "to decide whether to use double hashing vs. chaining"... that makes it sound like we have a choice of implementations in this file
# [07:03] <@bz> sicking: Yes, very nice too!
# [07:04] <@bz> njn: granted. ;)
# [07:04] <@bz> sicking: make sense?
# [07:04] <@bz> sicking: now of course you can forget and use Func in the webidl
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# [07:04] <@bz> sicking: which is where if it were less effort to use the right thing we'd win....
# [07:04] <@bz> sicking: but that involves making the right thing more limited than Func
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# [07:05] <@bz> (I mean, Func is super-powerful: you can enable APIs only on particular web pages, based on the phase of the moon)
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# [07:05] <sicking> bz: the problem is for something like SMS
# [07:05] <@bz> Right
# [07:05] <@bz> where the API entrypoint is navigator.mozSMS
# [07:05] <@bz> but that's not what people think of it as
# [07:05] <@bz> So no one would think to check for SMS support by testing for navigator.mozSMS ?
# [07:06] <sicking> bz: the annotation for security checks go on Navigator. But the annotation for should-show-up-in-table goes on SMSManager
# [07:06] <@bz> well
# [07:06] <@bz> Sort of, yes
# [07:06] <sicking> bz: well.. and if we add a new function to SMSManager, you need to be able to test for that function
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# [07:06] <@bz> hmm
# [07:07] <sicking> bz: i.e. hasFeature("SMSManager.sendMMS") needs to be the thing to call
# [07:07] <@bz> Without having the sms permission, yes, I see.
# [07:07] <@bz> So
# [07:07] <@bz> If the entire interface is marked as needing permission
# [07:07] <@bz> we could translate that into all the functions on it needing it?
# [07:07] <sicking> yeah, i think that's the main place where we could help
# [07:08] <@bz> And if the entire interface is _not_ thus marked
# [07:08] <@bz> then you can get your hands on the functions
# [07:08] <@bz> (though perhaps not a correct thisobj....)
# [07:08] <sicking> indeed
# [07:08] <@bz> And then presumably functions that need permission would be annotated individually
# [07:08] <sicking> the lack of thisobj means that they're useless
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# [07:08] <@bz> right
# [07:08] <@bz> but we don't want to expose useless stuff like that
# [07:08] <sicking> yeah, but we really avoid having different permissions for different function
# [07:08] <@bz> so if navigator.mozSMS is not present
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# [07:09] <sicking> other than on something like navigator
# [07:09] <@bz> I would say window.SMSManager should not be present
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# [07:09] <sicking> bz: hmmm… interesting
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# [07:09] <sicking> bz: can we tell marketplace "just check window.SMSManager.prototype.sendMMS"?
# [07:10] <sicking> done and done. No hasFeature needed
# [07:10] <sicking> ?
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# [07:10] <@bz> hm
# [07:10] <sicking> oh crap. I'm way past my go-home time :(
# [07:11] <@bz> no
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# [07:11] <@bz> we can't
# [07:11] <sicking> getters are more complicated, but can still be tested
# [07:11] <@bz> if different functions have different permissions, at least
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# [07:11] <sicking> bz: how so?
# [07:11] <sicking> bz: again, we don't need to enable detecting which permission is needed
# [07:12] <@bz> because if they need different permissions
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# [07:12] <@bz> then we have to hide them from the proto if permission is not granted
# [07:12] <sicking> oh, right
# [07:13] <@bz> ok, go home
# [07:13] <@bz> I will think about this some more.
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# [07:13] <sicking> thanks
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# [07:14] * @njn wonders what the most common class of JS objects in real web code is (dynamic instances)
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# [07:16] <Waldo> njn: why wouldn't there be a choice of implementations in that file?
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# [07:17] <@njn> Waldo: that file implements double hashing, right?
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# [07:17] <Waldo> njn: well, I think it's responding to the preliminary question of "should double hashing have been implemented", which seems reasonable to me
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# [07:18] * @njn shrugs
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# [07:18] <@njn> Waldo: any thoughts on the "most common class" question?
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# [07:18] <@njn> Waldo: I profiled the results of getClass(), and one class dominates, with over 50%, but I don't know what it is
# [07:18] <@njn> (I just have the address)
# [07:19] <Waldo> njn: print the ->name from it?
# [07:19] * Waldo would guess Object but could be wrong
# [07:19] <@njn> Waldo: oh!
# [07:19] <@njn> Waldo: yeah, it ain't JSObject -- that's about 18%
# [07:20] <Waldo> no idea then
# [07:20] <Waldo> array seems unlikely to me
# [07:20] * @njn guesses RegExp
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# [07:20] <Waldo> and I'd expect one or the other generally
# [07:20] <Waldo> that seems really unlikely to me
# [07:20] <@njn> oh, I bet its JSFunction
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# [07:22] <Waldo> oh, right
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# [07:22] <Waldo> yeah, that should have been obvious
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# [07:22] <@njn> Waldo: it is: https://pastebin.mozilla.org/3154647
# [07:23] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/07179c6176b8 - Matthew Gregan - Bug 905513 - Rework MediaSource/MediaElement integration and implement limited initial multiple-decoder support. r=doublec
# [07:23] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/808a8b288ef6 - Matthew Gregan - Bug 920870 - Normalize TimeRanges returned by HTMLMediaElement Seekable and Buffered. r=cpearce
# [07:23] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/a98471699e91 - Matthew Gregan - Bug 905513 - Annotate functions with virtual/MOZ_OVERRIDE and document use of SBR monitor.
# [07:23] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/935ab0a88dde - Matthew Gregan - Bug 905513 - Use pushPrefEnv instead of setBoolPref, and reenable test on Android. r=doublec
# [07:23] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/ba062e4be8fd - Matthew Gregan - Bug 905513 - Fix typo in AsyncEventRunner and BufferDecoder. r=doublec
# [07:23] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/473c72edc9ca - Matthew Gregan - Bug 920867 - Split VideoInfo into Video and Audio objects, then encapsulate in new MediaInfo object. r=cpearce
# [07:23] <@bz> ah, Function makes sense
# [07:23] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/1a134e410e12 - Matthew Gregan - Bug 905513 - Don't clobber audio VideoInfo fields when accepting video configuration. r=doublec
# [07:23] <@bz> Man
# [07:23] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/6837a1ce616b - Matthew Gregan - Bug 905513 - Remove MediaSource support from HostObjectProtocolHandler::NewChannel. r=khuey
# [07:24] <@bz> That's a lot of functions
# [07:24] <@bz> also....
# [07:24] <@bz> XPC_WN_ModsAllowed_NoCall_Proto_JSClass
# [07:24] <Waldo> o/~ conjunction junction o/~
# [07:24] <@njn> Waldo: believe it or not, I actually get that reference
# [07:24] <Waldo> :-)
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# [07:26] <@njn> bz: what *is* XPC_WN_ModsAllowed_NoCall_Proto_JSClass?
# [07:26] <@bz> njn: XPconnect prototype
# [07:26] <@bz> njn: the normal kind: can modify it, no [[Call]]
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# [07:27] <@bz> khuey: I spend too much time in front of this terminal. :(
# [07:28] <@khuey> indeed
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# [07:33] <@njn> Waldo: when are we gonna rename JSObject as ObjectObject, for consistency with the others? :P
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# [07:34] <Waldo> njn: I object!
# [07:34] * @njn groans
# [07:34] <@njn> the defence rests
# [07:36] <heycam> jorendorff_away, nice use of position:sticky in the ES6 spec
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# [07:38] <Waldo> njn: you teed that one up, you have no one to blame but yourself
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# [07:39] <@njn> Waldo: yeah, blame the victim
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# [07:39] <Waldo> oh no you don't get away with playing the victim card here :-)
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# [07:47] <@njn> but I was the victim
# [07:49] <Waldo> satisfied customer
# [07:51] <Waldo> besides, you started it! :-P
# [07:51] <Waldo> can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen
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# [07:52] <@njn> the cheque's in the mail
# [07:53] <Waldo> \o/
# [07:53] <Waldo> and with that review done, finally, I'm out, finally
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# [07:54] <@njn> the spanner's in the work
# [07:55] <@njn> knock knock
# [07:55] <@bz> we should rename JSObject to NomNomNom
# [07:55] <@bz> Just for transparency's sake.
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# [07:57] <glob> njn++ (for cheque not check)
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# [07:58] <@bz_sleep> It's important to have a system of cheques and balances.
# [07:58] <heycam> bz_sleep++
# [07:58] <@njn> glob: colour
# [07:58] <@njn> glob: labelled
# [07:58] <@njn> glob: biscuit
# [07:58] <@njn> (actually, biscuit's a real can o' worms)
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# [07:59] <glob> eww
# [07:59] <@bz_sleep> judgement
# [07:59] <glob> note to self: don't eat njn's biscuits
# [07:59] <@njn> schedule
# [08:00] <@njn> (gotta say that one out loud)
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# [08:00] * @bz_sleep recalls getting that marked wrong in a paper in high school....
# [08:00] <@njn> pawn shop, porn shop
# [08:00] <@bz_sleep> njn: for a while, I thought "skedjool" and "schedool" were two different words
# [08:01] <@bz_sleep> njn: back when I was in 4th/5th grade and still learning English
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# [08:01] <@njn> bz_sleep: what if I told you... they are
# [08:01] <@bz_sleep> njn: hmm?
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# [08:01] <@bz_sleep> njn: Both spelled "schedule"
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# [08:02] <markh> there are functions that return a bool that the result is almost checked. What's the correct macro to use to wrap the call in such that debug builds assert but release build still make the unchecked call?
# [08:02] <@bz_sleep> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Spelling is fascinating
# [08:02] <@njn> bz_sleep: now I'm just tugging your wallaby
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# [08:03] <@bz_sleep> The Canadians are with us on "aluminum" but totally get "color" wrong. ;)
# [08:03] <@khuey> markh: DebugOnly<bool> result = Foo();
# [08:03] <@khuey> MOZ_ASSERT(result);
# [08:03] <markh> khuey: thanks!
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# [08:03] <@bz_sleep> MOZ_ASSERT(Foo());
# [08:03] <@njn> bz_sleep: there's no wrong, just different
# [08:03] * @bz_sleep runs
# [08:03] <markh> lol @ "tugging your wallaby" :)
# [08:03] <@bz_sleep> njn: Hence the grin!
# [08:03] <@khuey> bz_sleep: "release builds till make the unchecked call"
# [08:04] <@bz_sleep> khuey: That's why I had to run!
# [08:04] <@njn> bz_sleep: took me a long time to reach that conclusion
# [08:04] * @bz_sleep is clearly too tired to play these games.
# [08:04] <janv> MOZ_ASSERT_IF ?
# [08:04] <@bz_sleep> njn: it's easier for some things than others.
# [08:04] <@khuey> janv: no
# [08:05] * @bz_sleep sleeps for real
# [08:05] <janv> ok
# [08:05] <markh> khuey: I reckon I've got those handle errors nailed and I can no longer crash the parent process - which I could do quite easily running the mochi tests with e10s enabled :)
# [08:05] <markh> khuey: you up to review it, or can you suggest a better person?
# [08:05] <@khuey> markh: bent :-)
# [08:05] <markh> :)
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# [08:16] <briansmith> LINK : fatal error LNK1181: cannot open input file 'ctypes/libffi/.libs/libffi.lib'
# [08:16] <briansmith> building the tip of mozilla-inbound on Windows 7
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# [08:19] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> hm briansmith local build or ?
# [08:19] <briansmith> yes, local build: "mach clobber && mach build"
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# [08:20] <briansmith> tried it twice, failed both times
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# [08:21] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> briansmith: will test it too
# [08:21] * Tomcat|sheriffduty fires up vm :)
# [08:21] <briansmith> it seems very unlikely that my patch is causing the failure since i'm not doing anything with ctypes, but I will try the build without my patch
# [08:21] <briansmith> it takes 11:00 to get to the point where it fails
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# [08:27] <heycam> glob, do I remember correctly that bugzilla changed to not search comment text by default from the quick search box?
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# [08:28] <glob> heycam, correct
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# [08:28] <glob> there's a pref to change the default behaviour, and you can override it on a per-search basis with ++comments
# [08:28] <heycam> glob, ok. I better file a bug on https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/page.cgi?id=quicksearch.html being out of date then.
# [08:29] <glob> hrm, where does it say it searches comments on there?
# [08:29] <heycam> the first dot point
# [08:29] <glob> oh, in the first bullet point
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# [08:30] <glob> heycam, ok; that's an upstream bugzilla bug, so put it into that product
# [08:30] <heycam> glob, User Interface component?
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# [08:31] <glob> heycam, documentation pleaes
# [08:31] <heycam> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=921353
# [08:31] <briansmith> Tomcat|sheriffduty: yes, the build failed again with no local changes, same spot
# [08:32] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> briansmith: ah ok , good to know, will investigate this
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# [08:32] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> vm is checking out the source tree :)
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# [08:33] <briansmith> BTW, I see this code in AsmJSModule.h(285), looks strange to me:
# [08:33] <briansmith> #if defined(MOZ_VTUNE) or defined(JS_ION_PERF)
# [08:34] <briansmith> warning C4067: unexpected tokens following preprocessor directive - expected a newline
# [08:34] <@khuey> yeah I don't think 'or' works there
# [08:34] <@khuey> this isn't python
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# [08:36] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> hm briansmith the checkin that could be causing the problem could be https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Mozilla-Inbound&rev=808a8b288ef6
# [08:36] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> because the checkin before had a win7 green build
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# [08:37] <briansmith> Tomcat|sheriffduty: I think something is muffed up because that checkin isn't touching anything in jss/
# [08:37] <briansmith> js/
# [08:37] <briansmith> and JS is what is failing.
# [08:37] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> yeah
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# [08:40] <briansmith> khuey: I field bug 921355 about the Pythonism
# [08:40] <briansmith> s/field/filed/
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# [08:44] <@khuey> briansmith: cool
# [08:45] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/06ee4167c4bb - Daniel Holbert - Bug 921174 part 5: Assert that nsHTMLButtonControlFrame has exactly one child, and it's the button-content frame. r=bz
# [08:45] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/7164978f006d - Daniel Holbert - Bug 921174 part 2: Use a separate nsReflowStatus for button frame's reflow vs. button contents frame's reflow. r=bz
# [08:45] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/c8c18d3a3f21 - Daniel Holbert - (no bug) Remove useless "color" declaration (overridden by another "color" declaration several lines below it) from vertical-centering button reftest.
# [08:45] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/f8b7e4858ddd - Daniel Holbert - Bug 921174 part 1: Rename reflow state variables in nsHTMLButtonFrame, for clarity. r=bz
# [08:45] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/066962a4f2ee - Daniel Holbert - Bug 921174 part 4: Move focusPadding into ReflowButtonContents, the only place it's used now. r=bz
# [08:45] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/57288f5ade9d - Daniel Holbert - Bug 921174 part 3: Make ReflowButtonContents() use a dedicated nsHTMLReflowMetrics instance, and give it full responsibility for populating parent's metrics. r=bz
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# [08:48] <@njn> hg doesn't have anything like |git rebase -i|, does it?
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# [08:48] <@njn> |hg record| doesn't count, because that only works for uncommitted changes
# [08:49] <briansmith> njn: hg histedit?
# [08:49] <@khuey> njn: nothing that slick, no
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# [08:50] <briansmith> njn: I haven't used git rebase -i before but pretty sure you do "hg histedit -r X", then change the action to "edit" on the patches you want to edit
# [08:50] <briansmith> then you can "hg record" to split those commits up
# [08:51] <briansmith> and hg histedit --continue to go onto the next one
# [08:51] <sfink> I don't really know what git rebase -i is, but with some guessing, I'd say I accomplish something similar by qimporting the patches, then using a combination of qcrefresh, qcrecord, and reordering the series file. Using 'wiggle' a lot to fix up cosmetic conflicts.
# [08:51] <briansmith> using mq will cause conflict hell, hg histedit is much better
# [08:52] <briansmith> because it does 3-way merge
# [08:52] <sfink> yeah, people keep telling me I should try it
# [08:52] <sfink> wiggle makes the mq conflicts much more tolerable
# [08:53] <briansmith> hg histedit will open up the conflicting files (if it can't auto-resolve the conflict) in a 3-way merge tool for you to merge.
# [08:53] <briansmith> I will read more about this "wiggle".
# [08:54] <@njn> briansmith: histedit doesn't appear to be usable with mq
# [08:54] <briansmith> njn: hg qfinish -a to turn them into commits
# [08:54] <briansmith> then qimport them back in after the "hg histedit"
# [08:54] <@njn> briansmith: urk, ok
# [08:54] <briansmith> then learn to refrain from using patch queues
# [08:55] <briansmith> :)
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# [08:56] <@njn> briansmith: that's not a helpful suggestion
# [08:56] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> briansmith: ok now my vm has finished checkout, lets see if i can reproduce the build failure
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# [08:57] <briansmith> njn: sorry, but I do actually mean that it is worth learning to use Mercurial without patch queues, using histedit all the time instead. Things are *much* better for me since I started doing that.
# [08:57] <briansmith> no more *.rej
# [08:57] <briansmith> the only thing I use mq for now is "qpush try" and "qpop try"
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# [09:00] <sfink> I use wiggle through a wrapper, http://people.mozilla.com/~tschneidereit/wig
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# [09:06] <markh> njn: speaking of tugging your wallaby - http://imgur.com/a/bJkHk
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# [09:10] <gcp> http://ez-download.com/mozilla-firefox/
# [09:10] <gcp> Google Ad if you search for Firefox
# [09:11] <gcp> how do I contact our trademark police?
# [09:11] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> gcp: there is a trademark form
# [09:11] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> one sec
# [09:12] <gcp> http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/legal/fraud-report/
# [09:12] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> gcp: http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/legal/fraud-report/
# [09:12] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> yeah
# [09:12] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> this one
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# [09:12] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> briansmith: ok the build reached the js stuff, lets see :)
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# [09:14] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> hm a lot of c:\Users\mozilla\debug-builds\mozilla-inbound\js\src\jit/AsmJSModule.h(285) : warning C4067: unexpected tokens following preprocessor directive - expe
# [09:14] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> cted a newline
# [09:14] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> but no failures so far
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# [09:16] <briansmith> Tomcat|sheriffduty: those warnings are bug 921355
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# [09:17] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> briansmith: ah ok, but so far no build failure :/
# [09:17] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> also windows 7 sp1 system (vm)
# [09:18] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> but new obj-dir etc since never was building inbound there before, so no clobber etc
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# [09:19] <briansmith> Tomcat|sheriffduty: I am rebuilding yet again with an earlier changeset to see what is up
# [09:19] <briansmith> my build worked just fine earlier today
# [09:19] <briansmith> before pull + rebase
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# [09:25] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> briansmith: cool (btw thanks for debugging this)
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# [09:51] <briansmith> Tomcat|sheriffduty: I was able to get js to build with revision dc2f96ecb2bc after deleting *.pyc and my ~/.mozbuild
# [09:51] <briansmith> I will try the trunk again
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# [09:56] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> ah cool
# [09:56] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> my build so far is running (generating)
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# [10:16] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> briansmith: but yeah would be really cool to know whats going on
# [10:17] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> edmorley: hey :) i have a question
# [10:17] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> and since you know so much you might can answer this :)
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# [10:17] <briansmith> when I updated from dc2f96ecb2bc to tip I got the same failure again.
# [10:18] <briansmith> I removed ~/.mozbuild and *.pyc from srcdir and am rebuilding again
# [10:18] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> briansmith: very strange , my build is working :(
# [10:18] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> only difference is that this was a new obj dir etc
# [10:19] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> edmorley: so briansmith has failures building on m-i tip which seems reproducible on win7 - i also generate now a win7 build and seems to work
# [10:19] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> can we bring tbpl somewhere to the state to build a new set of win7 opt/debug builds
# [10:20] <edmorley> Tomcat|sheriffduty: local failures?
# [10:20] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> yeah
# [10:21] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> so far tbpl show all greens for win 7
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# [10:21] <edmorley> needs-clobber or only-occurrs-after-clobber ?
# [10:21] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> briansmith: ^ :)
# [10:21] <edmorley> or neither
# [10:21] <briansmith> guve ne two minutes
# [10:23] <briansmith> edmorley, Tomcat|sheriffduty: I am not sure what the problem is
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# [10:23] <briansmith> I am able to build revision dc2f96ecb2bc but not revision 808a8b288ef6
# [10:24] <briansmith> but, I am too sleepy to debug it further tonight.
# [10:24] <briansmith> If nobody else is having issues, I will assume it is something strange on my end
# [10:24] <briansmith> I will let you guys know in the morning
# [10:24] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> so far the latest builds at least for windows 7 turn green...but yeah real trange
# [10:24] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> thanks briansmith and good night
# [10:25] <briansmith> I suspect it might be some python weirdness because my first build of dc2f96ecb2bc failed but when I deleted ~/.mozbuild and *.pyc it then built fine
# [10:26] <briansmith> anyway, good night.
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# [11:17] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> edmorley: doing the merge fun now
# [11:17] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> using 6fb1c750791f on inbound
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# [11:23] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> hm edmorley and for fx-team i guess no changeset to merge to mc
# [11:24] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> or maybe e4cd2242cc7d
# [11:24] <edmorley> looking
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# [11:27] <edmorley> Tomcat|sheriffduty: don't think much to merge http://www.pastebin.mozilla.org/3155536
# [11:27] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> yeah
# [11:27] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> edmorley: then we leave fx-team alone right
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# [11:28] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> just updating fx-team with latest from m-c later right ?
# [11:28] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> just to be sure :)
# [11:28] <edmorley> Tomcat|sheriffduty: yeah only 1 cset to merge and it's not green yet :-)
# [11:29] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> cool
# [11:29] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> oh edmorley btw i noticed some issue with mcmerge yesterday
# [11:29] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> i did the b2g-inbound to m-c thing
# [11:29] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> all fine and in this push were a gaia pushbot issue where first something was checkedin and then reverted
# [11:30] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> but mcmerge marked this as fixed
# [11:30] <edmorley> Tomcat|sheriffduty: gaia pushbots should be exlcuded completely, bug 912788
# [11:30] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> is there a standard where mcmerge could detect a backout ?
# [11:30] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/2e76e3b9479e - Jon Coppeard - Bug 913224 - Fix js::DumpHeapComplete() to work with GGC r=billm
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# [11:31] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> oh cool
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# [11:34] <edmorley> Tomcat|sheriffduty: :-)
# [11:35] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> edmorley: thats also a way to assign bugs :) let people run into it :P
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# [11:35] <edmorley> Tomcat|sheriffduty: I did also previously CC some people who might like to fix it... :-)
# [11:36] <senicar> Hi. With the new download manager, is it possible to open download history in sidebar as you could before with toggleSidebar("viewDownloadsSidebar") or something similar? Thanks
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# [12:28] <decoder> jesup: ive landed the symbolizer support on aurora, now we just need to trigger that intermittent once more
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# [12:32] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> edmorley: sigh
# [12:32] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> i file a bug for the clobber failure
# [12:33] <edmorley> Tomcat|sheriffduty: I'll reopen the existing one
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# [12:34] <edmorley> Tomcat|sheriffduty: bug 920078
# [12:34] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> that was for linux
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# [12:34] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> ahh
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# [12:34] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> thanks edmorley
# [12:35] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> also added the buildduty keyword now
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# [12:36] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> maybe we should set the bug back to blocker
# [12:37] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/d25c7133a76e - Ed Morley - Backed out changeset 08d9bbb1044f (bug 907463)
# [12:37] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/6b9e77c98785 - Ed Morley - Backed out changeset 045d5fadd2fa (bug 907463) for compilation failures
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# [12:38] <edmorley> Tomcat|sheriffduty: I've refreshed the tbpl cache, should be starrable for new failures now
# [12:39] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> edmorley: cool
# [12:39] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> do we retrigger that failed builds ?
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# [12:41] <edmorley> Tomcat|sheriffduty: yeah, would you mind doing that? (just seen a TBPL fix needing doing)
# [12:42] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> yeah sure
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# [13:13] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> edmorley: inbound all failures marked ... :)
# [13:13] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> and central..soon :)
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# [13:13] <edmorley> Tomcat|sheriffduty: ty :-)
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# [13:14] <Gijs> Hmmm... clobber builds on my Windows machine are broken linking ICU
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# [13:14] <Gijs> "cannot open input file ctypes/libffi/.libs/libffi.lib
# [13:14] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> something like LINK : fatal error LNK1181: cannot open input file 'ctypes/libffi/.libs/libffi.lib'
# [13:14] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> oh
# [13:15] <Gijs> Yes
# [13:15] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> hm
# [13:15] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> so briansmith had the same problem today
# [13:15] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> edmorley: ^
# [13:15] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> the issue is that i couldn't reproduce
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# [13:15] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> i did a new inbound build from a new source and obj dir
# [13:15] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> on win7
# [13:15] <Gijs> I can, I've already tried twice.
# [13:16] <Gijs> This is on m-c with your last merge
# [13:16] <Gijs> 3ad5ecf34c9e
# [13:16] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> yeah brian was also able to reproduce
# [13:16] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> he could build with changesets before 808a8b288ef6 but not after
# [13:16] <edmorley> Gijs: clobber? with no mozconfig?
# [13:17] <Gijs> edmorley: clobber, with a MOZCONFIg specifying an objdir and --enable-profiling
# [13:18] <Gijs> VC 2010
# [13:18] <edmorley> Gijs: could you file a bug and CC me? think we'll need to involve gps/glandium
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# [13:18] <Gijs> edmorley: sure, what product/component?
# [13:18] <Gijs> JS engine?
# [13:18] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> yeah
# [13:19] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> at least this were where brian was suspecting the error
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# [13:19] <Gijs> Actually, if I had to guess it's the compile switch that was done earlier today / last night
# [13:19] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> http://tomcat.pastebin.mozilla.org/3155854 is btw my mozconfig that worked
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# [13:19] <Gijs> s/switch/post/
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# [13:20] <Gijs> "MOZ_PSEUDO_DERECURSE=no-parallel-export is now the default for non-pymake builds. "
# [13:20] <Gijs> But Windows should be pymake, so it shouldn't be affected, right?
# [13:20] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> yeah
# [13:20] <glandium> Gijs: yes, it shouldn't
# [13:21] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> oh hai glandium :)
# [13:21] <glandium> Gijs: you can try export MOZ_PSEUDO_DERECURSE= in your mozconfig
# [13:21] <Gijs> glandium: yeah, was about to
# [13:21] <Gijs> let me try that before filing, it only takes 9 minutes for it to get to the failure (or not, as it were)
# [13:22] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> yeah brian mentioned something about 11 minutes, so its the same issue
# [13:22] <glandium> Gijs: if you haven't clobbered yet, there's something that you could try
# [13:23] <Gijs> glandium: I've clobbered and built twice. Keeps failing. :(
# [13:23] <glandium> Gijs: i mean your current tree status
# [13:23] <glandium> is it clobbered yet?
# [13:23] <Gijs> yes.
# [13:23] <glandium> then forget it
# [13:23] <Gijs> I've done "./mach clobber && ./mach build" twice.
# [13:23] <Gijs> glandium: you mean, then the env var shouldn't be affecting this?
# [13:24] <Gijs> Or you mean, then I can't try that anymore? :)
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# [13:24] <glandium> Gijs: i mean i wanted you to check something, but if you've already clobbered, then too late
# [13:24] <Gijs> ah
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# [13:34] <Gijs> glandium: that export fixes my build.
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# [13:35] <Gijs> edmorley: ^^ should I still be filing that bug? Still JS engine?
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# [13:37] <glandium> Gijs: could you remove the export, and do mach configure?
# [13:38] <Gijs> glandium: after another clobber or before?
# [13:38] <glandium> Gijs: no clobber is fine
# [13:38] <Gijs> (does it matter? I don't know the build system well at all)
# [13:38] <Gijs> glandium: running. What should I check when it's done?
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# [13:40] <glandium> Gijs: mach build echo-variable-MOZ_PSEUDO_DERECURSE
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# [13:41] <Gijs> 0:01.40<end-of-line>
# [13:42] <Gijs> (Your build was successful!)
# [13:42] <Gijs> glandium: so it seems to be empty.
# [13:42] <edmorley> Gijs: 302 glandium
# [13:42] <glandium> Gijs: then export MOZ_PSEUDO_DERECURSE= in mozconfig shouldn't be doing any difference :(
# [13:43] <Gijs> yeah, that doesn't make a lot of sense :s
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# [13:46] <Gijs> glandium: anything else I can check? :s
# [13:48] <glandium> could you paste the first, say, 50 lines of mach build after configure is done without the export MOZ_PSEUDO_DERECURSE= in mozconfig?
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# [13:50] <mike5w3c> if bz_sleep wasn't asleep I'd offer him my condolences on becoming a W3C spec editor
# [13:54] <glandium> oh my, is virtualbox actually using mozilla code?
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# [13:55] <glandium> i just noticed an error message that says "NS_ERROR_FAILURE" with the exact same code as in gecko (0x80004005), as well as a VBoxXPCOMIPCD process
# [13:56] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> glandium: https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Developer_FAQ
# [13:56] <glandium> yeah, they *are* using xpcom
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# [13:58] <Gijs> glandium: dumb question, what's the last line of "configure being done" ?
# [13:59] <glandium> Gijs: good question... ah, and what i'm after is not in the default mach output, try mach build -v, then start at the first "Entering"
# [13:59] <Gijs> glandium: OK, will give this a shot....
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# [14:02] <jez> http://mxr.mozilla.org/comm-central/source/suite/browser/tabbrowser.xml#3071
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# [14:03] <jez> Does anyone know where this element (tabbrowser-alltabs-popup) gets registered as an nsIDOMEventListener? I assume it does as it implements the interface.
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# [14:05] <Ms2ger> What do you mean?
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# [14:06] <Gijs> glandium: https://pastebin.mozilla.org/3156046
# [14:07] <Gijs> (sorry it took a bit, I had to manually stitch things together because copying terminal stuff on windows sucks)
# [14:07] <Gijs> (hmm, perhaps a bit more than 50 lines, but whatever)
# [14:08] <glandium> Gijs: this really does look like a normal build
# [14:09] <glandium> aaaaah
# [14:09] <glandium> i think i know
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# [14:10] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> Gijs: glandium btw great that we are debugging this, seems its something that affect a number of people
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# [14:11] <glandium> Gijs: try this: https://pastebin.mozilla.org/3156057
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# [14:13] <glandium> Tomcat|sheriffduty: all windows developers that have a recent tree
# [14:13] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> oh hai RyanVM
# [14:13] <RyanVM> Tomcat|sheriffduty: hi
# [14:13] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> glandium: yeah :(
# [14:13] <glandium> Tomcat|sheriffduty: the workaround is simple, though
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# [14:14] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> glandium: btw if you need a build where the building worked, let me know
# [14:14] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> but good to know we have a workaround :)
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# [14:14] <glandium> Tomcat|sheriffduty: there are two work arounds, and a fix :)
# [14:15] <glandium> Tomcat|sheriffduty: one workaround is ac_add_options --enable-release
# [14:15] <glandium> another one is export MOZ_PSEUDO_DERECURSE=
# [14:15] <glandium> the fix is the patch above (which i'm fairly convinced works)
# [14:16] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> cool
# [14:17] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> glandium: i will also let the other sheriffs know of the issue btw, so that also the other timezones know whats going on
# [14:17] <Gijs> glandium: can I just ./mach build or do I need to clobber again?
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# [14:18] <glandium> Gijs: if you want to be sure, clobber
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# [14:20] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/b4f4c2e6a7d6 - Christoph Kerschbaumer - Bug 897516 - Implement a separate cookie jar for safebrowsing - tests. r=mmc
# [14:21] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/356ba083bb5f - Martijn Wargers - Bug 918604 - Remove more enablePrivilege calls. r=jmaher
# [14:21] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/0cc959e28407 - Christoph Kerschbaumer - Bug 897516 - Implement a separate cookie jar for safebrowsing - cookie separation part. r=mmc
# [14:21] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/bcf7717f8f36 - Garrett Robinson - Bug 918050 - mach bootstrap should do the same thing for Linux Mint that it does for Ubuntu. r=gps
# [14:21] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/d768ef5946b9 - Christoph Kerschbaumer - Bug 897516 - Implement a separate cookie jar for safebrowsing - rekey part. r=mmc
# [14:22] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/9a9382595fce - Jonathan Kew - bug 910506 - update harfbuzz to upstream version 0.9.21 + latest fixes (078de49ca10285f6cd1452abd40f831a17af5d1a). r=jdaggett
# [14:23] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/ff34f480df07 - Jonathan Kew - bug 910506 - fix up gfxHarfBuzzShaper::GetGlyph for changed semantics of the hb_font_get_glyph callback. r=jdaggett
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# [14:25] <Gijs> glandium: seems to work even without the clobber. :)
# [14:25] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> hm glandium we should have this patch i think :) since bug 920919 is also now on mc :)
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# [14:26] <glandium> Tomcat|sheriffduty: would you mind landing it for me?
# [14:26] <Ms2ger> glandium, got a small patch for you too ;)
# [14:26] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/f10a814c143d - Dan Minor - Bug 920602 - Only package Android cppunittest manifest on Android; r=ted
# [14:27] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> yeah i could do , maybe just need edmorleys help :)
# [14:28] <glandium> Tomcat|sheriffduty: note in practice, it's a fixup for bug 907365
# [14:28] <glandium> well, let's say both 907365 and 920919
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# [14:29] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> ok
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# [14:30] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> ok and the patch i should land where do i find it ?
# [14:31] <glandium> Tomcat|sheriffduty: https://pastebin.mozilla.org/3156057
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# [14:42] <@bsmedberg> does anyone have tips for debugging CPP_UNIT_TESTS
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# [14:42] <edmorley> ted: ^
# [14:43] <glandium> bsmedberg: just run them in a debugger?
# [14:43] <@bsmedberg> There's no setup/harness I need to worry about?
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# [14:43] <glandium> bsmedberg: not that i know of
# [14:44] <glandium> bsmedberg: the only thing is that on linux, you need to use run-mozilla.sh
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# [14:46] <glandium> NeilAway: what link?
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# [14:47] <NeilAway> glandium: https://pastebin.mozilla.org/3156057 throws up a cert mismatch :-P
# [14:47] <glandium> NeilAway: not here
# [14:47] <NeilAway> glandium: well I get served tbpl's cert
# [14:47] <glandium> O_o
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# [14:48] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/fb1a715e450c - Ed Morley - Bug 895390 - Disable browser_privatebrowsing_cache.js for too many intermittent failures. a=test-only
# [14:48] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/39c1e363005c - Blake Kaplan - Bug 916404. r=mccr8, a=abillings
# [14:48] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/e57b395d27d3 - Olli Pettay - Bug 916685 - No need to store empty event handlers. r=bz, a=abillings
# [14:48] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/e67ff293405d - Bill McCloskey - Bug 910523 - about:home tests now take into account async startup of SessionRestore. r=felipe, a=akeybl
# [14:50] <edmorley> NeilAway: same here
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# [14:52] <glandium> why does changing hardware always have to be painful with windows? i'm getting a bsod at boot because i switched between kvm and virtualbox
# [14:53] <edmorley> NeilAway: filed bug 921461
# [14:53] <glandium> and system repair doesn't want to do anything... bcdedit /set detecthal yes doesn't work either
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# [14:57] <NeilAway> edmorley: curious... worked for me on another PC by the way
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# [15:06] <ekr> I'm running into some problems with nsAppshellService. anyone here feel comfortable with it?
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# [15:08] <@smaug> ekr: I would suggest bsmedberg
# [15:08] <@bsmedberg> ugh
# [15:08] <ekr> bsmedberg: I'm looking at toolkit/identity/Sandbox.jsm.
# [15:08] <@bsmedberg> appshellservice is the way it is because nobody has been brave enough to fix it since 2004
# [15:08] <ekr> specifically: http://dxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/toolkit/identity/Sandbox.jsm?from=Sandbox.jsm#l80
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# [15:09] <Yoric> baku: So, more precisely, I was wondering which would be best/fastest/most efficient – porting ArchiveReader to Chrome Workers, or reimplementing something similar using JS + js-ctypes.
# [15:09] <ekr> This line seems to be failing at: http://dxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/xpfe/appshell/src/nsAppShellService.cpp?from=GetHiddenDOMWindow#l643
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# [15:09] <ekr> And I'm wondering if (a) I have messed something up or (b) there is bit rot or ( c) this never worked
# [15:10] <@bsmedberg> ekr: sounds like you're using it too early, before the hidden window has been created
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# [15:10] <baku> Yoric, porting ArchiveReader to ChromeWorker is easy because ArchiveReader already uses threads and it's thread-safe.
# [15:10] <@bsmedberg> but really, the hidden window is one of the worst hacks ever and no new code should be using it!
# [15:10] <ekr> bsmedberg: OK. I didn't see how it got created. the doc sayhs automatically.
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# [15:10] <Yoric> baku: Well, it also uses DOMRequest that we don't have on workers, though.
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# [15:11] <ekr> bsmedberg: well, my defense is that I'm just using it transitively via some other code that someone else wrote :)
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# [15:11] <Yoric> baku: Of course, a worker version would probably not use these.
# [15:11] <ekr> and just trying to figure out why that code doesn't work.
# [15:11] <Yoric> baku: So, interested in handling bug 921149?
# [15:11] <baku> Yoric, yep we should have a ArchiveReaderSync API
# [15:12] <@bsmedberg> ekr: so where are you in startup?
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# [15:13] <ekr> bsmedberg: xpcshell tests. (I have this code that Jed wrote that I'm trying to make work, and that's what it does). Is that not going to work? I could make it a mochitest...
# [15:13] <@bsmedberg> ah no, certainly not
# [15:13] <baku> Yoric, let me write a comment there.
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# [15:13] <@bsmedberg> xpcshell doesn't have UI, so it's not going to have a hidden window
# [15:13] <ekr> bsmedberg: OK. so If I make it a mochitest, it might work?
# [15:13] <@bsmedberg> nor is it going to allow things like hidden frames, because it doesn' thave UI
# [15:13] <@bsmedberg> yes
# [15:13] <@bsmedberg> much more likely at least
# [15:13] <ekr> awesome. thanks.
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# [15:19] <tbsaunde> bsmedberg: no new code should use? HA HA HA
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# [15:20] <@bsmedberg> tbsaunde: I'm really not joking. We're reasonably close to removing the hidden window in general.
# [15:20] <@bsmedberg> So new people using it to store random junk will just make that harder.
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# [15:21] <tbsaunde> bsmedberg: I'm not saying I'm happy about them doing, just that I can think of at least a couple people that have
# [15:21] <Gijs> bsmedberg: is there a bug tracking that removal?
# [15:21] <@bsmedberg> At one time there were several. Not sure now.
# [15:21] <glandium> is it me or the last ux nightly has the tab bar visually broken?
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# [15:33] <Gijs> glandium: what OS?
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# [15:33] <glandium> Gijs: windows
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# [15:34] <Gijs> glandium: also, with your fix, I'm now getting linkage error in XUL lib :(
# [15:34] <glandium> Gijs: paste?
# [15:34] <Gijs> glandium: at first I thought it was the fact that I'd not clobbered, but a clobber also breaks
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# [15:34] <Gijs> one sec
# [15:34] <Gijs> cannot open dist/lib/mozjs.lib ?
# [15:35] <Gijs> which is weird because it got through building (and presumably also linking?) js, so why would that not be there?
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# [15:35] <glandium> Gijs: js links against js_static
# [15:35] <glandium> Gijs: is mozjs.lib/dll in objdir/js/src?
# [15:35] <Gijs> hrm.
# [15:36] <Gijs> glandium: neither, AFAICT
# [15:36] <froydnj> man, if we could just eliminate unused-gc-things from our js memory, memory usage would be a lot better
# [15:37] <jfkthame> RyanVM, are you fixing inbound? looks like bug 897516 is not entirely happy
# [15:37] <glandium> Gijs: what does mach build js/src -v say?
# [15:37] <RyanVM> Tomcat|sheriffduty ^
# [15:38] <Gijs> glandium: also fails trying to link xul.dll
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# [15:38] <Gijs> (xul.lib?)
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# [15:39] <Gijs> It goes: <libs>: Found error\n<xul.lib>:Found error\n<../../dist/bin/xul.dll>: Found error... etc.
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# [15:39] <Gijs> glandium: above the link spam, the issue is the same, missing dist/lib/mozjs.lib
# [15:39] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> glandium: failed to apply the patch here
# [15:40] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> https://tomcat.pastebin.mozilla.org/3156326
# [15:40] <glandium> Gijs: for "mach build js/src" ? it talks about xul.dll ?
# [15:41] <Gijs> glandium: yes. I'm just as confused as you are...
# [15:41] <glandium> Gijs: log?
# [15:41] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> jfkthame: yeah will fix inbound
# [15:41] <jfkthame> great, thanks
# [15:41] <Gijs> glandium: looks like mach's magic make stuff decides to build toolkit/library when calling ./mach build js/src
# [15:42] <glandium> ah
# [15:42] <Gijs> glandium: before it does that, nothing much seems to go wrong
# [15:42] <glandium> Gijs: mach build js/src/mozjs.dll ?
# [15:43] <Gijs> No rule to make target mozjs.dll
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# [15:43] <glandium> Gijs: that's fishy
# [15:43] <Gijs> mm...
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# [15:44] <glandium> Tomcat|sheriffduty: could you paste your js/src/Makefile.in?
# [15:45] <edmorley> RyanVM, Tomcat|sheriffduty: want me to back out the xpcshell? can't tell if comments above about it
# [15:45] <RyanVM> edmorley: I think tomcat was
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# [15:46] <edmorley> Tomcat|sheriffduty: tree is closed, you'll need CLOSED TREE :-)
# [15:46] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> edmorley: done now
# [15:46] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> yeah
# [15:46] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> noticed :)
# [15:47] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/07e9ba5dbf03 - Carsten "Tomcat" Book - Backed out changeset b4f4c2e6a7d6 (bug 897516) failed XPC Shell tests
# [15:47] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/10bf215feab4 - Carsten "Tomcat" Book - Backed out changeset 0cc959e28407 (bug 897516) failed XPC Shell tests CLOSED TREE
# [15:47] <edmorley> Tomcat|sheriffduty: :-)
# [15:47] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/0c44240381eb - Carsten "Tomcat" Book - Backed out changeset d768ef5946b9 (bug 897516) failed XPC Shell tests
# [15:47] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> heh
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# [15:50] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> glandium: https://tomcat.pastebin.mozilla.org/3156368
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# [15:50] <glandium> Tomcat|sheriffduty: are you on windows?
# [15:51] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> oh do you want the file from the system where the build worked ?
# [15:51] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> that was just from trying to apply the patch :)
# [15:51] <edmorley> jfkthame: reftest orange https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=28465537&tree=Mozilla-Inbound
# [15:52] <jfkthame> edmorley: drat it - just a sec, looking
# [15:52] <edmorley> jfkthame: ty
# [15:52] <glandium> Tomcat|sheriffduty: what system are you applying the patch on?
# [15:52] <glandium> Tomcat|sheriffduty: because the reason why it fails looks like a line endings problem
# [15:53] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> mac 10.8
# [15:53] <glandium> Tomcat|sheriffduty: so why would there be ^M in the patch O_o
# [15:53] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> good question :)
# [15:54] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/6844baec2125 - Cameron McCormack - Bug 921456 - Remove unused nsSVGElement::GetPresentationAttribute prototype. r=longsonr
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# [15:55] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> edmorley: btw thanks for marking the backouts
# [15:55] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> the bug comment is also done
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# [15:55] <glandium> Gijs: what does mach build js/src/echo-variable-TARGETS say?
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# [15:56] <Gijs> js_static.lib js_static.lib.desc .dll host_jskwgen.exe host_jsoplengen.exe
# [15:56] <edmorley> Tomcat|sheriffduty: :-)
# [15:56] <Gijs> glandium: note that I'm manually retyping from my windows box, as IRC is on my mac
# [15:57] <Gijs> glandium: also, wrt the UX thing what Windows theme do you use?
# [15:57] <Gijs> (or really, maybe a screenshot would work better
# [15:57] <Gijs> )
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# [15:59] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> hey edmorley or RyanVM could you take over from here ? /me need a break :)
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# [16:00] <jfkthame> edmorley, you can reopen inbound, i've backed out the push... i understand what failed, but will need to think about how best to fix it
# [16:00] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/ed12f73dbeac - Jonathan Kew - backout changesets 9a9382595fce and ff34f480df07 (bug 910506) on a CLOSED TREE for failure in reftest variation-selector-unsupported-1.html
# [16:00] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> jfkthame: its open :)
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# [16:00] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> oh maybe not
# [16:00] <glandium> Gijs: http://i.imgur.com/qDoJcVY.png
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# [16:00] <Gijs> Oh
# [16:01] <glandium> Gijs: notice the weird rectangle on the left, and the missing background on the right
# [16:01] <Gijs> /that/
# [16:01] <Gijs> glandium: that's a known bug with azure and svg and aaaaargh graphics bits that I don't understand :)
# [16:01] <glandium> ok
# [16:01] <glandium> wait, what? svg?
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# [16:01] <Gijs> glandium: follow along in bug 919656
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# [16:01] <Gijs> yes
# [16:02] <glandium> oh my
# [16:02] <Gijs> those curvy tabs, how did you think we made them? :)
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# [16:03] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> jfkthame: reopned the tree
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# [16:03] <jfkthame> Tomcat|sheriffduty, thanks, sorry about the orangeness!
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# [16:04] <Tomcat> np :)
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# [16:11] <Gijs> glandium: so, erm, I'm guessing TARGETS should have had mozjs.lib
# [16:11] <Gijs> glandium: any idea how to figure out why it does not?
# [16:11] <Gijs> glandium: or is that going to be your patch?
# [16:11] <glandium> Gijs: it should have mozjs.dll
# [16:12] <Gijs> it doesn't...
# [16:12] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/b949ed98283a - Kartikaya Gupta - Bug 913985: Part 2 - Add annotations to all remaining JNI entry points, marking them for generations. r=kats
# [16:12] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/dd17e0758a00 - Chris Kitching - Bug 913985: Part 6 - Remove redundant AndroidBridge::Bridge() checks. r=kats
# [16:12] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/c333aabace09 - Chris Kitching - Bug 913985: Part 5 - Refactor the Bridge to use the generated code. r=kats
# [16:12] <glandium> Gijs: does it have ".dll" alone?
# [16:12] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/d9bdfdfda06e - Kartikaya Gupta - Bug 913985: Part 1 - Introduce a nicer annotation API for the generator, and migrate all existing annotations to it. r=kats
# [16:12] <Gijs> [15:56:05] <glandium> Gijs: what does mach build js/src/echo-variable-TARGETS say?
# [16:12] <Gijs> [15:56:58] <Gijs> js_static.lib js_static.lib.desc .dll host_jskwgen.exe host_jsoplengen.exe
# [16:12] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/99291913693f - Kartikaya Gupta - Bug 913985: Part 3 - Update the annotation processor to generate wrapper classes. r=kats
# [16:13] <glandium> Gijs: ok, i'm seeing the same thing here
# [16:13] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/4b49f751e490 - Chris Kitching - Bug 913985: Part 4 - Add new generated code to version control. r=kats
# [16:13] <glandium> (finally got my windows to behave)
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# [16:14] <glandium> Gijs: so, the patch is causing that... which is... unexpected
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# [16:15] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/616819179a67 - Alexander Surkov - Bug 466481 - Arabic and Hebrew characters bounds are incorrect in a11y APIs, r=tbsaunde
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# [16:16] <Gijs> :(
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# [16:17] <glandium> Gijs: okay, let's try it differently: https://diff.pastebin.mozilla.org/3156490
# [16:18] <alagenchev_> ted: ping
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# [16:19] <Gijs> glandium: ok, clobbering, configuring... then I can use the same echo to verify if I have a mozjs.lib in the targets, right?
# [16:20] <@ted> alagenchev_: pong
# [16:20] <glandium> Gijs: you'll have it, since i have it ; just build
# [16:20] <Gijs> OK
# [16:20] * Gijs wishes configure wasn't so darn long
# [16:20] <alagenchev_> ted: thanks for the comments in Bug 920728
# [16:20] <glandium> Gijs: disable icu
# [16:21] <@ted> alagenchev_: np, sorry we broke this so badly
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# [16:21] <alagenchev_> ted: Let me ask you another question. I am encountering another problem on linux - I can't do gdb ./firefox. It hangs for a while and then quits. Have you seen anything like that before? Starting firefox and then attaching works
# [16:21] <glandium> alagenchev_: on what platform?
# [16:22] <alagenchev_> ted: I setup a brand new debian in a vm and it worked there, so it must be some combinations with the libraries that are on my install.
# [16:22] <@ted> alagenchev_: i can't say i have, that should work
# [16:22] <alagenchev_> glandium: happens on mind debian edition. not happening on debian
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# [16:22] <alagenchev_> mind == mint
# [16:22] <jfkthame> try running it via ./mach debug, maybe?
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# [16:23] <alagenchev_> jfkthame: thanks i'll try that.
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# [16:25] <alagenchev_> jfkthame: getting Thread 0x7ffff7fcb740 (LWP 22499) is executing new program: /usr/bin/nvidia-modprobe
# [16:25] <alagenchev_> warning: Could not load shared library symbols for linux-vdso.so.1.
# [16:25] <alagenchev_> Do you need "set solib-search-path" or "set sysroot"?
# [16:25] <alagenchev_> [Inferior 3 (process 22499) exited normally]
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# [16:26] <jfkthame> sorry, no idea
# [16:27] <alagenchev_> jfkthame: thanks
# [16:27] <alagenchev_> ted: have you seen that before?
# [16:27] <glandium> alagenchev_: missing libc-something-debug package?
# [16:27] <@ted> alagenchev_: nope
# [16:27] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/1e16ca4ad801 - Chris Kitching - Bug 913985: Part 4 - Add new generated code to version control. r=kats
# [16:27] <@ted> alagenchev_: glandium is your better bet here, he's the linux expert
# [16:27] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/274df3abc991 - Chris Kitching - Bug 913985: Part 2 - Add annotations to all remaining JNI entry points, marking them for generations. r=kats
# [16:27] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/9c069a0820ea - Chris Kitching - Bug 913985: Part 3 - Update the annotation processor to generate wrapper classes. r=kats
# [16:27] <alagenchev_> ted: thanks
# [16:27] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/f0f5497d65bb - Chris Kitching - Bug 913985: Part 5 - Refactor the Bridge to use the generated code. r=kats
# [16:28] <glandium> ted: i hope i'm not *the* linux expert
# [16:28] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/20f8a9111009 - Kartikaya Gupta - Back out d9bdfdfda06e to dd17e0758a00 (bug 913985) due to incorrect author on some of the patches. r=backout
# [16:28] <@ted> glandium: in this channel :-P
# [16:28] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/de21920d2b8e - Chris Kitching - Bug 913985: Part 6 - Remove redundant AndroidBridge::Bridge() checks. r=kats; DONTBUILD
# [16:28] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/05fe8b17516a - Chris Kitching - Bug 913985: Part 1 - Introduce a nicer annotation API for the generator, and migrate all existing annotations to it. r=kats
# [16:28] <glandium> ted: even in this channel ; i do hope there are others
# [16:28] <@ted> heh
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# [16:30] <alagenchev_> glandium: the gdb warning seems to be just a warning as per https://sourceware.org/ml/gdb-patches/2011-08/msg00331.html
# [16:30] <glandium> alagenchev_: what does show follow-fork-mode and show follow-exec-mode say?
# [16:30] <Yoric> ttaubert: I'm still investigating bug 921149. As suspected, we put data in the tab state cache for http://example.org/?browsing0 apparently *before* we collect that data for the first time.
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# [16:31] <alagenchev_> glandium: show?
# [16:32] <glandium> alagenchev_: on gdb prompt
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# [16:32] <alagenchev_> glandium: oh right
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# [16:33] <glandium> this is so great... somehow, mercurial and/or windows decided to put timestamps in the future in my source tree
# [16:33] <glandium> and now, i'm infinite looping on Reticulating splines
# [16:33] <alagenchev_> glandium: (gdb) show follow-fork-mode
# [16:33] <alagenchev_> Debugger response to a program call of fork or vfork is "child".
# [16:33] <alagenchev_> (gdb) show follow-exec-mode
# [16:33] <alagenchev_> Follow exec mode is "same".
# [16:33] <glandium> alagenchev_: aha
# [16:33] <glandium> alagenchev_: set follow-fork-mode parent
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# [16:34] <glandium> alagenchev_: i bet the default value is parent on the system where it works
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# [16:34] <alagenchev_> glandium: ok. let me test
# [16:34] <glandium> alagenchev_: it should be parent everywhere
# [16:34] <alagenchev_> glandium: ok i will put it in gdbinit
# [16:34] <glandium> so you'd better figure out why it's child on mint
# [16:34] <alagenchev_> glandium: yep, i will investigate that.
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# [16:35] <glandium> ted: r? https://diff.pastebin.mozilla.org/3156490
# [16:36] <tbsaunde> glandium: ted I think there are few, but I'm always suprised how few people at mozilla really really linux stuff
# [16:36] <glandium> tbsaunde: missing verb
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# [16:37] <glandium> tbsaunde: note in that case, it was gdb, but that's about the same, very few people know gdb
# [16:37] <tbsaunde> glandium: know, and yeah
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# [16:38] <glandium> which reminds me i ought to test lldb
# [16:38] <@bsmedberg> ted: do the gtest tests actually run in parallel?
# [16:38] <@ted> bsmedberg: 302 benwa
# [16:38] <@ted> glandium: r=me
# [16:38] <BenWa> 302?
# [16:38] <@ted> redirect :)
# [16:38] <BenWa> Ahh lol
# [16:39] <glandium> ted: you want a 301
# [16:39] <@ted> eh
# [16:39] <@ted> i'm not totally ignorant of gtest
# [16:39] <@ted> i just don't know everything
# [16:39] <BenWa> bsmedberg: Running gtest via mach will let you specify the -j option. I believe currently on buildbot we run with j1
# [16:39] <BenWa> or maybe even j #core of cores
# [16:40] <BenWa> ted: You used to know everything! What happened? :P
# [16:40] <@ted> BenWa: the universe expanded :-(
# [16:40] <@bsmedberg> BenWa: well this relates to the "whether to initialize XPCOM in gtest" discussion
# [16:40] <glandium> ted: then 307 </pendantic>
# [16:40] <@ted> hah
# [16:40] <BenWa> bbiab, commuting to work
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# [16:41] <@ted> bsmedberg: i was wondering whether we could segregate tests that wanted to init XPCOm
# [16:41] <@ted> and run them in subprocesses
# [16:41] <@ted> like restart the whole proc with different options
# [16:41] <till> Yoric: urgh, sorry for not landing the lz4 patch. I'm deep in Shumway-land and totally dropped the ball on this
# [16:41] <Yoric> No problem.
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# [16:42] <Yoric> I'll try and land it later today if it passes tests.
# [16:42] <Yoric> (or at least mark it checkin-needed, depending on my workload)
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# [16:42] <alagenchev_> glandium: thanks, that worked really nice. I think the follow-fork child was purely on my machine. I was trying out someone else's gdbinit because of some pretty print macros. That was setting the fork mode to child in it, so it's not a mint problem
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# [16:43] <glandium> alagenchev_: glad it's not a distro problem
# [16:43] <alagenchev_> glandium: yeah
# [16:43] <glandium> Gijs: did you try rebuilding with the new patch?
# [16:43] <till> Yoric: thanks!
# [16:43] <Gijs> glandium: still building
# [16:43] <glandium> i'm still struggling with my timestamps in the future
# [16:44] <Yoric> ttaubert: Ok, this seems to be a side-effect of |fillTabCachesAsynchronously|, which makes sense.
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# [16:45] <Yoric> That's still somewhat weird.
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# [16:46] <@bsmedberg> TestStartupCache.cpp uses JS and XPCOM. This sucks.
# [16:48] <alagenchev_> ted: glandium's fix also fixed the rest of Bug 920728 for me. That's with your patch applied. I'm going to make a comment in the bug to that effect too. Thanks for everyone's help. This was driving me nuts
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# [16:48] <Gijs> glandium: my windows machine just rebooted randomly.
# [16:49] * Gijs cries a little
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# [16:49] <alagenchev_> The mac is still foobarred, but that doesn't bother me at all.
# [16:49] <Gijs> glandium: so... don't hold your breath for me to finish, either, it seems :|
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# [16:49] <glandium> Gijs: the build finally started, here
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# [16:50] <froydnj> glandium: the derecursing stuff is fantastic
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# [16:52] <@ted> bsmedberg: our C++ tests are a PITA
# [16:52] <jesup> ted++
# [16:52] <@ted> can we make someone port them all to gtest and kill them?
# [16:52] <@bsmedberg> well, a basic premise of gtest is that tests are self-contained
# [16:52] <glandium> KILL
# [16:52] <@ted> yeah
# [16:52] <@bsmedberg> and a basic property of any test that uses XPCOM is that it's probably not self-contained :-(
# [16:53] <@ted> but we could have a test framework that inits XPCOM
# [16:53] <@ted> and then run them in separate processes
# [16:53] <@bsmedberg> this particular test appears to be even creating its own JS global object, though I'm not sure why
# [16:53] <glandium> ted: if at least we could start with those that were disabled when --disable-libxul was killed...
# [16:53] <jesup> Our setup makes writing C++ tests uber-painful (love those #ifdef MOZILLA_INTERNAL_APIs....)
# [16:53] <@ted> linking is hard :-(
# [16:53] <@bsmedberg> so yeah, using the gtest-libxul for this seems like a good idea
# [16:53] <@bsmedberg> but it's probably going to involve launching a separate process for each test
# [16:54] <jesup> And mainthread isn't MainThread... :-(
# [16:54] <@bsmedberg> what?
# [16:54] <@ted> bsmedberg: as long as it's only xpcom-using tests that we do that for
# [16:54] <@ted> that seems fine
# [16:54] <@ted> i don't think it'd be a huge amount of work to make an XPCOMTest thing that triggered run-in-separate-process behavior
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# [16:57] <jesup> Right now a bunch of unit tests run in a thread that isn't MainThread, so when they try to use MainThread-only stuff like prefs it breaks. I think honestly this can be fixed (proxy the tests over to MainThread in some manner, but it's painful because you don't want to block MainThread since that will break things too) Note: we wrote ours a while ago using a gtest framework; I haven't...
# [16:57] <jesup> ...looked at the fundamentals in a while, but it's an ongoing pain
# [16:57] <jesup> ted knows *all* about it... :-(
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# [16:59] <glandium> froydnj: what's landed, or what's goind to land?
# [16:59] <glandium> going
# [17:00] <tbsaunde> jesup: is it actually another thread, or have we just not inited the thread manager so NS_ISMainThread fails for the main thread
# [17:00] <nemo> is it known that when page titles are truncated in a tab that it handles unicode badly?
# [17:00] <nemo> that is, it appears to be doing a naive byte truncation
# [17:00] <jesup> tbsaunde: I think it's another thread
# [17:01] <nemo> this causes some unfortunate results, like I have a title with [DCC2] (the square glyph indicating a codepoint) depending on the width of the tab
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# [17:01] <nemo> The simplest way to handle this, IMO, would be just to treat the title string as a texture, display the start and end of it, and fade off the middle
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# [17:02] <nemo> could put … in the faded part if people really wanted to
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# [17:02] <nemo> Can link to the page I was messing around with. I imagine this has a better chance of showing up on asian sites.
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# [17:05] <nemo> http://m8y.org/tmp/temp.png - screengrab of tab brokenness
# [17:05] <froydnj> glandium: well, what's already landed has sped my builds up by ~25%
# [17:05] <@ehsan> BenWa: do you want me to review bug 918825?
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# [17:06] <@ehsan> BenWa: it's burning on try
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# [17:06] <BenWa> ehsan: it's likely just a typo in the linux code. The patch should stay the same
# [17:06] <nemo> I suppose it could possibly be due to assuming that UTF-16 is 2 bytes per char?
# [17:06] <BenWa> Yes it's something stupid
# [17:07] <nemo> but given the rants I've seen in this channel before, that seems unlikely
# [17:07] <@ehsan> ok, I'll review it then
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# [17:08] <nemo> FWIW, that particular tab isn't anything important. I was just abusing this thingy I made like 8 years ago... http://m8y.org/js/type.xhtml
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# [17:09] <nemo> but, eh. figured I'd bring it up anyway, in case it wasn't known
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# [17:13] <@ehsan> bz_sleep: not sure if I can parse https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=915735#c63
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# [17:14] <glandium> ehsan: he's saying that the patches in that bug are fixing problems that happened because js was pgoed, so presumably, it's not the js code not being pgoed
# [17:15] <@ehsan> glandium: hmm, the patches that I landed only fixed bugs in the instrumentation phase...
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# [17:16] <@ehsan> glandium: could it be that the files are somehow not PGOed on the second link or something?
# [17:16] <glandium> ehsan: that's one possibility
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# [17:16] <@ehsan> glandium: how can I check that?
# [17:16] <@bz> ehsan: I think my claim is that clearly some PGO is happening in JS
# [17:16] <@ehsan> bz: at least in the instrumentation phase, yes :)
# [17:16] <@bz> ehsan: given that you had to patch parts of it to not be optimized to work around pgo bugs?
# [17:17] <@bz> ehsan: ah, fair. ;)
# [17:17] <@ehsan> hmm
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# [17:17] <@bz> ehsan: So I agree that PGO somehow being disabled is the most likely thing going on
# [17:17] * @ehsan wonders how reliable these test numbers are
# [17:17] <@bz> ehsan: but I have no idea how.
# [17:17] <@ehsan> yeah :(
# [17:17] <@bz> ehsan: at the "10% regression" level, pretty darned reliable.
# [17:17] <glandium> ehsan: so, one thing that is different between static js and other static code linked in libxul, is that static js is actually linked as a static library first, and then that static library is linked in libxul
# [17:17] <@ehsan> I wish I understood more how the build system PGOs
# [17:18] <glandium> ehsan: i'm not entirely sure what msvc does with that
# [17:18] <@ehsan> glandium: hmm, could it be that the PGO compiler just gives up on the static lib?
# [17:18] <@ehsan> hmm
# [17:18] <@ehsan> glandium: can we make js use fakelibs easily?
# [17:19] <glandium> ehsan: it already uses it, but the fakelibs system uses real static libs instead when they exist. which is necessary for some of our static libs (one of the xpcom glues)
# [17:20] <glandium> ehsan: one way out of it would be to force the js real static lib not to be created
# [17:20] <@ehsan> glandium: how is the necessity determined?
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# [17:20] <glandium> ehsan: https://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/config/rules.mk#247
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# [17:21] <@ehsan> glandium: so we should remove the js library from dist/lib?
# [17:22] <glandium> ehsan: depends where it's taken from when linking xul.dll
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# [17:22] <glandium> apparently, that's dist/lib
# [17:23] <glandium> ehsan: so yeah, a quicky try would be rm dist/lib/js_static.lib before linking libxul
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# [17:23] <glandium> ehsan: a landable fix would be either a hack defining LIBRARY, or adding a variable to force the real static lib not to be built
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# [17:25] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/1a0e9084786b - Markus Stange - Bug 912944 - Handle different surface formats in Azure CG source surfaces. r=jrmuizel
# [17:25] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/732798c42e48 - Markus Stange - Bug 532828 - Don't invalidate the whole window on window activation/deactivation. r=roc
# [17:25] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/96f24d4ebe11 - Markus Stange - Bug 921501 - Call CGBitmapContextGetHeight when getting the height for Cairo Quartz surfaces. r=Bas
# [17:25] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/5758b5d10fce - Markus Stange - Bug 921132 - Make CopyDataToCairoSurface respect stride. r=ncameron
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# [17:26] <@ehsan> glandium: can you point me to where we pick the location?
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# [17:27] <glandium> ehsan: MOZ_JS_STATIC_LIBS in configure.in
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# [17:30] <@bsmedberg> is there a standard JSM for asserting results which will dump TEST-*-FAIL to the console correctly from within a C++ unit test?
# [17:30] * @bsmedberg suspects not...
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# [17:31] <@gavin> "JSM" "from within a C++ unit test" ?
# [17:31] <@bsmedberg> yes
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# [17:31] <@bsmedberg> I have a C++ unit test that's loading a JS component that needs to report failures
# [17:31] <@gavin> how do you use a JSM in a C++ unit test?
# [17:32] <@gavin> ah
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# [17:32] <@gavin> I think https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=873126 is supposed to be that
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# [17:33] <@bsmedberg> ooh, that will be nice when it exists
# [17:34] <@gavin> mikedeboer: ^
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# [17:36] <mikedeboer> bsmedberg, gavin: yeah, pending review atm... would be cool if someone can check the JS parts for validity
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# [17:38] <Yoric> ttaubert: Ok, I believe I have pinpointed the issue. As we hoped, the problem lies in the test suite.
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# [17:42] <glandium> Gijs: how's your build going?
# [17:42] <glandium> Gijs: mine is still ongoing
# [17:42] <Gijs> glandium: I had to clobber and restart it because of the random reboot
# [17:42] <Gijs> so it's now 25 minutes into the new build
# [17:43] <Gijs> another 15 to go if it doesn't decide to shit itself again. :|
# [17:43] <glandium> Gijs: you'll probably be done before me
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# [17:46] <@ehsan> glandium: I took a look at toolkit/library/Makefile.in... but I'm not sure what to do with this information :/
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# [17:48] <glandium> ehsan: something like xul.dll: foo\n foo:\n/trm $(DIST)/lib/js_static.lib ?
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# [17:49] <@ehsan> I see
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# [17:55] <bhearsum|buildduty> jmaher: can you join #releng for a few min?
# [17:55] <@ehsan> glandium: hmm, wait, but won't that rule get used in both the first time and the second time we link xul.dll?
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# [17:55] <glandium> ehsan: it will
# [17:56] <@ehsan> is that what we want?
# [17:56] <glandium> ehsan: yes
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# [17:57] <@ehsan> glandium: alright! I started a local build
# [17:57] <@ehsan> glandium: we'll see what happens :)
# [17:57] <jmaher> bhearsum|buildduty: sure thing
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# [17:59] <Gijs> glandium: it worked!
# [17:59] <glandium> Gijs: \o/
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# [18:00] <glandium> Can someone watch the tree for me? i'm going to sleep
# [18:00] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/1a2d9a04ffb2 - Mike Hommey - Fixup for bug 907365 to clear bustage of windows developer builds after bug 920919. r=ted
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# [18:02] <Gijs> glandium: sure
# [18:02] <ttaubert> Yoric: yay for figuring out
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# [18:04] <NeilAway> nemo: well, I wouldn't be surprised that it uses UCS2, feel free to file a bug (I wonder what text-overflow: ellipsis does)
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# [18:04] <Yoric> ttaubert: I'll try and fix it this evening.
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# [18:04] <ttaubert> Yoric: cool :)
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# [18:07] <nemo> NeilAway: so you think no one noticed this yet Oo
# [18:07] <nemo> huh
# [18:07] <nemo> 'k :D
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# [18:07] <BenWa> ehsan: You said to initialize all members off the class but they are TimeStamp which will default construct to null are the values I want. Is that ok?
# [18:07] <@ehsan> BenWa: oh my bad, yes that's fine
# [18:07] <BenWa> ok great
# [18:07] <NeilAway> nemo: I guess not many developers visit sites using those particular code points
# [18:08] <@ehsan> mina: there's a #layout btw
# [18:08] <mina> ehsan: yes I just found it. I'm going over the webkit patch and I'll ask there if I need more ideas :)
# [18:09] <@ehsan> cool
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# [18:11] <nemo> NeilAway: data:text/html;charset=utf8,<title>𝒜𝒷𝓊𝓈𝒾𝓃ℊ 𝓊𝓃𝒾𝒸ℴ𝒹𝓮 𝒾𝓈 𝒻𝓊𝓃!</title>
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# [18:13] <@bz> TypeError: this.TelemetryStopwatch is undefined tabbox.xml:756
# [18:13] <@bz> And it won't let me switch tabs in that window....
# [18:14] <@bz> wtf?
# [18:15] <@gavin> switching tabs with the keyboard shoudl work?
# [18:15] <@gavin> (that's in a mousedown handler)
# [18:15] <@bz> nope
# [18:15] <@bz> TypeError: startTab is null
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# [18:15] <@bz> tabbox.xml:507
# [18:15] <@gavin> well that's not good
# [18:15] <@bz> nope
# [18:15] <@bz> so what I did was I had an about:addons tab
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# [18:16] <@bz> I switched flash in that to be ask-every-time
# [18:16] <@bz> and closed it with Cmd-W
# [18:16] <@bz> and now here I am. :(
# [18:16] <@bz> Anything you think I can get you before I kill that window?
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# [18:17] <@gavin> hmm, probably not
# [18:17] <@gavin> somehow youhave no selected tab
# [18:18] <@bz> yeah
# [18:18] <@bz> That much is clear from the way it paints. ;)
# [18:18] <@gavin> what's the first exception?
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# [18:18] <@bz> First exception where?
# [18:18] <@bz> Oh, that I hit?
# [18:18] <@gavin> that you can see in the console
# [18:18] <@gavin> yeah
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# [18:18] <@bz> too much spam coming through the console
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# [18:18] <@gavin> yeah :/
# [18:18] <@bz> so the above are all I have
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# [18:19] <@bz> if it happens again I'll open console faster.
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# [18:21] <Gijs> gfritsche recently had the opposite
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# [18:21] <Gijs> browser was pretending to be all happy but there was a stuck panel on top of his browser stack that wasn't moving out of the way :s
# [18:21] <Gijs> err, panel, as in, a browser, for a tab that he'd closed
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# [18:33] <@bz> "Whereas you typically have to maintain knowledge of multiple calling conventions on x86 platforms, on x64 platforms there is currently just one. "
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# [18:34] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/6b8e91bf52b6 - Bobby Holley - Bug 921399 - Fix memory leak. r=gabor
# [18:35] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/f0fad858e878 - Bobby Holley - Bug 920553 - Hoist GlobalProperties out of SandboxOptions. r=gabor
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# [18:35] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/e3e3093bdd25 - Bobby Holley - Bug 920553 - Introduce Cu.importGlobalProperties API. r=gabor
# [18:35] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/01198082967c - Bobby Holley - Bug 917593 - Don't assert for zero-length strings. r=Waldo
# [18:35] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/05f41a913bee - Bobby Holley - Bug 920553 - Make GlobalProperties::Parse follow JSAPI exception convention. r=gabor
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# [18:35] <Waldo> bz: how is that untrue?
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# [18:36] <Waldo> I mean, other than the ability for people to arbitrarily invent calling conventions
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# [18:37] <mbrubeck> My friends and family are always calling on the phone, complaining about how they typically have to maintain knowledge of multiple calling conventions on x86 platforms.
# [18:38] <mbrubeck> It's especially tough on my 7-year-old.
# [18:38] <mbrubeck> Because she was raised big-endian.
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# [18:39] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/2fa2ebce623b - Benjamin Peterson - Bug 919830 - Mark a variable only used in an assertion DebugOnly. r=mak
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# [18:43] <Gijs> dumb question: is there an easy way to make a process on my Windows machine run slower than usual?
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# [18:43] <Gijs> (if it helps, yes, the process is firefox)
# [18:45] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/696af256f174 - Brian Hackett - Bug 920782 - Don't trigger GCs from threads with an exclusive context, r=billm.
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# [18:48] <KWierso> Gijs: priority in the processes tab of task manager?
# [18:48] <NeilAway> Waldo: MS uses a different convention to everyone else
# [18:49] <Gijs> KWierso: will give that a shot, thanks
# [18:49] <KWierso> "Details" tab in win8, I think
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# [18:50] <NeilAway> Waldo: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X86_calling_conventions#x86-64_calling_conventions
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# [18:51] <NeilAway> Waldo: in particular they don't allow 128-bit return values in registers unless they're floating-point
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# [18:55] <Waldo> hmm, that would explain why, last time I looked on some system or other, the ordering didn't match what I'd remembered from an old compiler class
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# [18:56] <bholley> Ms2ger: do we have a generic way to dispatch observer service notifications async? Or do I have to hand-roll a runnable?
# [18:56] <nemo> NeilAway: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=921528 you asked for it :-p
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# [18:59] <@gavin> bholley: I don't know of any
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# [18:59] <@gavin> (related: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=722648 )
# [18:59] <bholley> gavin: I'll add nsIObseverService::NotifyObserversAsyn
# [18:59] <bholley> c
# [19:00] <@gavin> bholley: see related discussion in that bug
# [19:00] <@gavin> I guess that's slightly different
# [19:00] <bholley> gavin: that bug is long - is there any reason I souldn't add NotifyObserversAsync?
# [19:00] <bholley> *shouldn't
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# [19:00] <@gavin> well I guess there's potential for confusion if we introduce a wholly-async API
# [19:01] <@gavin> like, what does "async" mean?
# [19:01] <@gavin> which parts are async?
# [19:01] <bholley> gavin: the notification, presumably
# [19:01] <bholley> gavin: I'm open to a better name
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# [19:01] <bholley> gavin: but in the mean time, I need to hand-roll a runnable, and I might as well make it available to other people
# [19:02] <Gijs> NeilAway: btw, are you coming to the summit?
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# [19:05] <NeilAway> Gijs: Brussels
# [19:06] <Gijs> NeilAway: awesome! So see you there, then. :)
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# [19:06] <NeilAway> Gijs: :-)
# [19:07] <Gijs> NeilAway: and while I have you here... XBL question.
# [19:07] <Gijs> NeilAway: I have a binding that extends the default toolbar button binding, but has <content><children/></content>
# [19:07] <Gijs> NeilAway: does that mean it no longer gets the default items for toolbarbutton?
# [19:07] <Gijs> (ie, image and label)
# [19:08] <Gijs> I mean, that's what I'm seeing happening, but is that expected?
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# [19:08] <NeilAway> Gijs: yes
# [19:08] <Gijs> Hrm.
# [19:08] <Gijs> OK.
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# [19:08] <NeilAway> Gijs: if you specify content it replaces the inherited specification
# [19:08] <NeilAway> Gijs: you can do stuff like <content><children><original content/></children></content>
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# [19:09] <Gijs> NeilAway: why inside <children> ?
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# [19:10] <Gijs> the original item has it as siblings of <children/>
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# [19:10] <Gijs> (maybe it doesn't matter?)
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# [19:14] <froydnj> glandium: ping
# [19:14] <froydnj> ted: are we still supporting gcc 4.4?
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# [19:18] <nemo> NeilAway: oh. and I took your name in vain a couple of times in the bug, fwiw
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# [19:21] <tbsaunde> froydnj: only for b2g
# [19:21] <tbsaunde> certainly not desktop because of the rtti + c++11 thing, but android might possible still work I suppose though I wouldn't support taking patches to keep it doing so
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# [19:23] <froydnj> nope. curses
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# [19:26] <tbsaunde> froydnj: my local b2g tree builds with -std=gnu++0x
# [19:26] <froydnj> fantastic, you can't tell from the b2g logs on tbpl because they build gecko with -s
# [19:27] <froydnj> that's what logs are for, to answer those sorts of questions
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# [19:27] <Ms2ger> bholley, no idea
# [19:28] <tbsaunde> froydnj: welcome to the b2g build system I guess :/
# [19:28] <bholley> Ms2ger: it's ok, I'm adding one :-)
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# [19:28] <froydnj> tbsaunde: hm, I see a bit of code in xpconnect that uses auto, but none anywhere else
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# [19:29] <froydnj> tbsaunde: my only question is whether we require that std=c++0x nowadays or not
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# [19:29] <tbsaunde> froydnj: we require that
# [19:30] <froydnj> tbsaunde: ah, I guess we use static_assert, so yes
# [19:30] <Ms2ger> bholley, no idea :)
# [19:30] <froydnj> that makes that patch simpler
# [19:30] <tbsaunde> froydnj: for other auto see mozglue/build/Bioniclue.cpp:105
# [19:31] <bholley> froydnj, tbsaunde: do you guys happen to know what the best way to convert a uint64_t to a PRUnichar* is?
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# [19:32] <bholley> that would sure be convenient
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# [19:33] <tbsaunde> bholley: yes it should inherit from that
# [19:33] <bholley> tbsaunde: \o/
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# [19:35] <froydnj> see, the string api is useful :p
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# [19:42] <NeilAway> Gijs: depends on what you want to happen when the element has children
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# [19:43] <Gijs> NeilAway: siblings of the other elements?
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# [19:44] <NeilAway> Gijs: well, you can say "if the bound element has no children then substitute this content instead"
# [19:44] <NeilAway> Gijs: actually that doens't make sense for a top-level <children> in XBL1 because that's the default behaviour, but anyway
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# [19:44] <NeilAway> *doesn't
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# [19:45] <NeilAway> bbl, food
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# [20:18] <BenWa> froydnj++ for bug 921563
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# [20:19] <@ehsan> BenWa: you should increment me for reviewing those patches :P
# [20:19] <BenWa> ehsan += 0.5
# [20:19] <BenWa> You get half marks
# [20:19] <@ehsan> ah
# [20:19] <@ehsan> I'll try better next time
# [20:19] <BenWa> :)
# [20:20] <froydnj> BenWa: it's not nearly as much of a speedup as dom/bindings/ was, though =/
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# [20:20] <nemo> I wonder how many people are keeping Firefox 4 around for the same reason I am :)
# [20:20] <BenWa> Ohh really. Odd
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# [20:20] <nemo> that is, I'm unable to configure my router with new versions of firefox.
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# [20:22] <@ehsan> http://www.cplusplus.com/forum/articles/44855/
# [20:22] <@ehsan> tbsaunde: ^
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# [20:22] <sunfish> do I need to get a review to revert one of my own patches?
# [20:22] <@ehsan> tbsaunde: froydnj calls them late returns, not sure why ;)
# [20:22] <@ehsan> sunfish: r=me ;)
# [20:22] <sunfish> ehsan: srsly?
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# [20:22] <@ehsan> sunfish: we don't usually require reviews for backouts
# [20:23] <tbsaunde> sunfish: generally no
# [20:23] <sunfish> ok cool
# [20:23] <@ehsan> sunfish: unless there is somethign interestung in the backout
# [20:23] <sunfish> the patch has a subtle bug which wasn't caught by regular testing
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# [20:23] <froydnj> ehsan: gcc supports, I assume clang supports, and msvc seems to support it. try will tell for me certain shortly
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# [20:24] <@ehsan> \o/
# [20:24] <@ehsan> froydnj: can you please edit https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Using_CXX_in_Mozilla_code accordingly when try server gets back to you?
# [20:24] <BenWa> I feel like an old fart when I see c++ adding a bunch of crazy features with unusual syntax that I know will lead to me having to learn more gotchas and corner cases when writing c++
# [20:24] <froydnj> ehsan: assuming we get a positive result, yes
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# [20:25] <@ehsan> froydnj: well, either way :)
# [20:25] <@ehsan> froydnj: also, r=me
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# [20:25] <@ehsan> BenWa: do you think you know all of the gotchas for the subset of C++ you currently know? :P
# [20:26] <BenWa> No, that's the problem. I can't learn them faster then they are about to introduce them.
# [20:26] <froydnj> BenWa: time to give up and go program in rust or something
# [20:26] <@ehsan> heh, true
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# [20:26] <briansmith> Last night I learned that MSVC will accept "#if defined(x) or defined(y)" with a warning but doesn't understand "or"
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# [20:26] <@ehsan> froydnj: ouch, I see what you did there ;)
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# [20:27] <@ehsan> briansmith: lol
# [20:27] * BenWa wishes java gecko was finished
# [20:27] <@ehsan> BenWa: we're working on it
# [20:27] <@ehsan> it's called Jecko
# [20:27] <briansmith> ehsan: bug 921355
# [20:27] <froydnj> ehsan: oh, it's called trailing return types in the spec...late return types is close enough
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# [20:28] <@ehsan> heh
# [20:28] <@ehsan> I didn't actually know it had a name!
# [20:28] <@ehsan> (other than smart-ass returns)
# [20:28] <briansmith> BTW, last night and today I did a pull --rebase from mozilla-inbonud and now I cannot get mozjs to build (on Windows)
# [20:28] <briansmith> anybody else had this experience
# [20:29] <briansmith> ?
# [20:29] <briansmith> LINK : fatal error LNK1181: cannot open input file 'ctypes/libffi/.libs/libffi.lib'
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# [20:30] <tbsaunde> ehsan: yeah, another c++11 feature I can't remember
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# [20:31] <@ehsan> briansmith: glandium fixed that on central
# [20:31] <briansmith> ehsan glandium : OK. not on inbound?
# [20:31] <briansmith> I just pulled inbound and encountered the same
# [20:32] <@ehsan> I can merge it to inbound if it's open
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# [20:32] <@ehsan> briansmith: done
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# [20:33] <briansmith> ehsan: thanks
# [20:33] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/f691041334b8 - Ehsan Akhgari - Merge mozilla-central into mozilla-inbound
# [20:33] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/1a2d9a04ffb2 - Mike Hommey - Fixup for bug 907365 to clear bustage of windows developer builds after bug 920919. r=ted
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# [20:33] <froydnj> why is ArgumentsObject.o failing to compile?
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# [20:34] <@ehsan> froydnj: what's the error?
# [20:35] <froydnj> ehsan: oh, I see the bugs now...was the js #include cleanup stuff
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# [20:37] <@ehsan> froydnj: sorry!
# [20:39] <sunfish> ehsan: I think removing PerfSpewer.h from BaselineCompiler.cpp broken JS_ION_PERF builds
# [20:40] <@ehsan> sunfish: yeah I r+'ed a patch to fix that earlier today
# [20:40] <sunfish> ehsan: ok, thanks
# [20:41] <@ehsan> sunfish: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=921437
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# [20:43] <briansmith> I've been reading a lot about pymake badness. Is there *any* version of gmake that supports "-jn" correctly that we could use instead of pymake on Windows? i.e. should we try to go back to make?
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# [20:45] <@gavin> pymake badness?
# [20:45] <mcsmurf> briansmith: not that I know a lot about the build system, but I think the changes are currently being made to the build system (like very fast make over all folders) are not possible with classic make
# [20:45] <mcsmurf> not sure how much make is even used these days and how much python :/
# [20:45] <Ms2ger> mcsmurf, but pymake doesn't have anything to do with that :)
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# [20:45] <briansmith> gavin: pymake being very slow and bad at parallel tasks, compared to gmake on linux
# [20:45] <mcsmurf> Ms2ger: well, I wondered about that.. ;)
# [20:46] <nemo> NeilAway: hey. while I'm obsessing about Unicode - is this something worth being concerned about in the slightest?
# [20:46] <nemo> http://m8y.org/tmp/testcase353.xhtml
# [20:46] <Ms2ger> briansmith, I think spawning processes is still pretty bad on windows, though
# [20:46] <nemo> NeilAway: it does *not* seem to be browser specific
# [20:46] <tbsaunde> briansmith: glandium said the internet claims the newest one may work, but would probably need investigation
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# [20:47] <mcsmurf> eh:
# [20:47] <mcsmurf> $ hg qapp
# [20:47] <mcsmurf> ←[0;34;1;4m914611.diff←[0m
# [20:48] <mcsmurf> ←[0;34;1;4mbug_909093←[0m
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# [20:48] <mcsmurf> I upgraded mozillabuild yesterday
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# [20:48] <mcsmurf> funky output these days...
# [20:48] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/0a39f82ca67b - Birunthan Mohanathas - Bug 783333 - Use WM_WINDOWPOSCHANGING instead of WM_MOVE to handle window moves in nsWindow. r=jimm
# [20:48] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/72a979eba564 - Tareq Khandaker - Bug 857330 - Geolocation uses a wrong default value for maximumAge. r=jdm
# [20:48] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/4b17cbb36bb8 - Tareq Khandaker - Bug 869613 - Make mach build some/deeper/path do dependencies for some and
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# [20:55] <@bsmedberg> When a build fails, how the hell do I find the actual compile error that caused it to fail?
# [20:55] <mcsmurf> just fyi: I asked in the mercurial channel, those strange numbers are color codes
# [20:56] <mcsmurf> have to turn off the color codes extension
# [20:56] <@dbaron> bsmedberg, search the log for "error:"?
# [20:56] <@bsmedberg> does mach save the log nowadays?
# [20:56] * @dbaron still uses client.mk
# [20:56] <Ms2ger> RyanVM, it was backed out last time, so it'd be nice if someone figured out what failed and if the try run is better now :)
# [20:56] <@bsmedberg> I used to just rebuild the right directory with -j1 to find the error
# [20:56] <Ms2ger> dbaron, any particular reason, I wonder?
# [20:56] <@bsmedberg> but I'm not sure how to do that with mach
# [20:57] <Ms2ger> ./mach build -j1 foo/bar?
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# [20:57] <@bsmedberg> the tail of the log on-screen doesn't say which directory or file failed
# [20:57] <@dbaron> Ms2ger, perhaps a combination of (a) general dislike of tools that "do everything" like emacs and (b) not having any reason to switch
# [20:58] <@dbaron> Ms2ger, and (c) liking to know what's happening under the covers and already having that knowledge for the old way of doing things
# [20:59] <@ted> client.mk already kind of abstracts you out of things
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# [20:59] * froydnj uses configure/make...and emacs
# [20:59] * @bsmedberg stopped using client.mk years ago, used just configure/make
# [21:00] <@bsmedberg> now tries to use mach and it's hard to adjust
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# [21:00] <tbsaunde> /wi/me uses configure / make but also vim
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# [21:01] <Ms2ger> I'm surprised that people want to deal with client.mk, much less configure/make
# [21:01] <briansmith> I agree it is too difficult to locate error messages from the build system output
# [21:01] <briansmith> I often build from within MSVC which manages to parse them into its error list with a small hack to mach
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# [21:02] <briansmith> (**usually** manages to parse them, I should say)
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# [21:02] <Ms2ger> Would be nice to get machine-readable errors out of compilers
# [21:03] <@bsmedberg> Ms2ger: I mainly used configure/make because I despise mozconfig files with a purple passion
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# [21:03] <@bsmedberg> and ../src/configure --enable-debug --disable-optimize made me happy
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# [21:03] <tbsaunde> Ms2ger: imo running configure manually or with scripts is much less painful than either mozconfigs
# [21:03] * @bsmedberg really still wants ../src/mach configure --enable-foo --disable-bar
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# [21:04] <Ms2ger> Interesting, I never had issues with mozconfigs
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# [21:05] <Ms2ger> Much easier when you always use the same options, too
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# [21:07] <tbsaunde> Ms2ger: in some sense I guess you can argue my script has a mozconfig embedded in it
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# [21:07] <tbsaunde> in that it autodetects some configure options and has constant values for others
# [21:07] <Ms2ger> The one thing I like about the Gecko build system is that I don't have to write wrapper scripts myself :)
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# [21:11] <tbsaunde> Ms2ger: so you just dislike customizing things for you're own use?
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# [21:11] <Ms2ger> tbsaunde, I like not being required to
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# [21:14] <tbsaunde> Ms2ger: about all I pass to configure is --disable-blah
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# [21:14] <froydnj> tbsaunde: and --without-intl-api, right? :)
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# [21:15] <Ms2ger> tbsaunde, my issue isn't with customizing, really, but making every developer write the same scripts
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# [21:17] <Ms2ger> Also, being able to "just build" after pulling is nice too
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# [21:18] <tbsaunde> froydnj: yeah :)
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# [21:19] <tbsaunde> Ms2ger: given my scripts don't work like mach build they clearly arent' the same scripts ;)
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# [21:23] <mina> how do I include nsHttpHandler.h in nsAppShell.cpp?
# [21:23] <mina> it says file not found, and greping tells me that only files in netwerk/protocol/http include it
# [21:23] <mina> and netwerk/build/nsNetModule.cpp
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# [21:25] <froydnj> mina: you probably want nsIHttpProtocolHandler instead?
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# [21:27] <mina> froydnj: I need access to gHttpHandler inside of nsHttpHandler.h
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# [21:27] <mina> froydnj: how do I get that in nsAppShell?
# [21:27] <RyanVM> wow, I filed my first bug over 9 years ago
# [21:27] <RyanVM> <3 user activities
# [21:27] <RyanVM> funny thing that I still remember that bug
# [21:28] <tbsaunde> mina: LCOAL_INCLUDES assuming networking people are ok with that
# [21:28] <froydnj> mina: what are you really trying to do?
# [21:28] <froydnj> (but yes, LOCAL_INCLUDES would be one way out of this)
# [21:28] <mina> froydnj: gHttpHandler->speculativeConnect(myUri, nullptr);
# [21:28] <mina> froydnj: to send a speculativeConnection
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# [21:30] <froydnj> mina: you can QI the io service to nsISpeculativeConnect instead
# [21:30] <mina> froydnj: any example in the code where that's done that I can look at?
# [21:31] <froydnj> mina: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/netwerk/test/unit/test_speculative_connect.js#31
# [21:31] <froydnj> hm, I guess you want C++, though
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# [21:32] <mina> froydnj: yep I want to call it from the C++, if possible
# [21:32] <froydnj> something like:
# [21:32] <froydnj> nsCOMPtr<nsIIOService> = mozilla::services::GetIOService();
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# [21:33] <froydnj> nsCOMPtr<nsISpeculativeConnect> connect = do_QueryInterface(ioservice);
# [21:33] <froydnj> and you're on your way
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# [21:33] <froydnj> (modulo syntax errors ;)
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# [21:37] <NeilAway> bsmedberg: I once hacked my build to read the .mozconfig from the objdir to fix that, but I think sid0 broke it :s
# [21:37] <sid0> uhm?
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# [21:38] <tbsaunde> sid0: didn't you reduce the number of places mozconfig could be find by defaaaault a long long time ago?
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# [21:39] <sid0> tbsaunde: maybe. I really don't remember
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# [21:40] <mina> froydnj: thanks
# [21:41] <mina> froydnj: but says: nsIIOService has no member SpeculativeConnection
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# [21:41] <mina> froydnj: nsIOService (one less I) has SpeculativeConnection
# [21:41] <mina> froydnj: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/netwerk/base/src/nsIOService.cpp#1229
# [21:41] <mina> froydnj: how do I get that?
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# [21:43] <froydnj> mina: that's what the do_QueryInterface to nsISpeculativeConnect is for
# [21:44] <@ehsan> ted: help!
# [21:44] <@gavin> bsmedberg: the user links in the "Status Updates" summary emails point to e.g. http://127.0.0.1:8080/user/felipc%40gmail.com
# [21:44] <froydnj> mina: and then you can call connect->SpeculativeConnect(myUri, nullptr)
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# [21:45] <@bsmedberg> gavin: ugh, I'll have to look at the cherrypy config
# [21:45] <@bsmedberg> that might not be simple to fix
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# [21:45] <mina> froydnj: aha! thanks!
# [21:46] <froydnj> mina: np! my mistake for not making it clear
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# [21:49] <mina> froydnj: it's all good!
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# [21:50] <Yoric> ttaubert: Do you want to review the fixed tests?
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# [21:50] <Yoric> The changes are essentially trivial.
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# [21:55] <NeilAway> anyone know where the backend code for text-overflow: ellipsis lives, in particular the code that decides where to cut the text?
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# [21:59] <Gijs> NeilAway: looks spread out, bug 312156
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# [22:00] <dholbert> NeilAway, http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/847fc92f36ee and http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/451c13333f14 look like the relevant csets
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# [22:05] <@bsmedberg> {"line": "/Volumes/Builds/git-mozilla/js/src
# [22:05] <@bsmedberg> /vm/Shape.h:136:8: error: no member named 'operator=' in 'JS::Value'"}]
# [22:06] <froydnj> bsmedberg: osx?
# [22:06] <@bsmedberg> yes
# [22:06] <froydnj> time to update clang!
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# [22:06] <philor> KWierso: so, when you back out nical, where are you going to put the bug comment saying you did?
# [22:07] <@ted> ehsan: what?
# [22:08] <@ted> ehsan: i'm out for the day, sorry
# [22:08] <@ted> leave a message
# [22:08] <@ehsan> ted: removing DIST_INSTALL=1 from the js makefile makes libxul fail to link
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# [22:08] <@ehsan> ted: because it's still trying to link against js_static.lib :(
# [22:09] <@ehsan> ted: (if you're not around it's alright, enjoy your weekend!)
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# [22:09] <@bsmedberg> froydnj: oh god, how do I do that? And why didn't configure notice?
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# [22:10] <KWierso> philor: eh?
# [22:10] <froydnj> bsmedberg: um. I think there's some widget to do it from within xcode
# [22:10] <RyanVM> KWierso: leaks
# [22:10] <RyanVM> philor: on it
# [22:11] <RyanVM> too many cooks...
# [22:11] <RyanVM> philor: if you're starring the csp bakcout, I'll stop
# [22:12] <froydnj> bsmedberg: configure didn't get updated when we first encountered this problem...that would have been intelligent
# [22:12] <RyanVM> oh boy, nical had the wrong bug # in that commit too
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# [22:12] <RyanVM> BenWa: ping
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# [22:13] <BenWa> RyanVM: I didn't land anything today *runs*
# [22:13] <RyanVM> BenWa: any idea WTF bug # nical's push was supposed to be?
# [22:13] <RyanVM> you r+ed it
# [22:13] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/9f2f60923d73 - Ryan VanderMeulen - Backed out changeset a77f7d610829 (bug 821474) for leaks.
# [22:13] <RyanVM> that one ^
# [22:13] <BenWa> ahh yes
# [22:13] <BenWa> RyanVM: 921474
# [22:14] <RyanVM> thanks
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# [22:14] <@bsmedberg> "Note: the Apple version of clang 4.2 is now required. If you see the error message below you are likely using an older clang version:"
# [22:14] <@bsmedberg> great, except it's not clear how to fix that
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# [22:15] <@gavin> upgrade xcode?
# [22:16] <@bsmedberg> the same docs appear to say that any xcode greater that 4.1 is ok
# [22:16] <@bsmedberg> and I have 4.4.something
# [22:17] <@gavin> check the state of "command line tools" in xcode prefs?
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# [22:17] <philor> RyanVM: only off and on starring them, mostly to catch the timeouts before anyone retriggers them
# [22:17] <@bsmedberg> did that, says they are installed
# [22:17] * RyanVM puts another dram on geekboy's tab
# [22:18] <RyanVM> philor: ok, I'm on it now
# [22:18] <@bsmedberg> I see interesting things about xcode-select
# [22:19] <philor> we had some bustage yesterday that was 2400 second timing out android, between the lot of us we retriggered it a dozen times :)
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# [22:19] <philor> and then there's the new Android crashes over the last 20 or 30 pushes, not sure who added those
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# [22:20] <sicking> bz: ping
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# [22:21] <RyanVM> philor: Yeah, and the osx M3 intermittents
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# [22:21] <RyanVM> woah, WTF happend with windows there?
# [22:21] <@bsmedberg> do I want xcode 5?
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# [22:22] <@ehsan> bsmedberg: I upgraded last week, have survived so far
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# [22:27] <Mossop> Anyone know about "LINK : fatal error LNK1181: cannot open input file 'ctypes/libffi/.libs/libffi.lib'"?
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# [22:27] <RyanVM> KWierso: philor: android tspaint retriggers going
# [22:28] <reuben> note that b2g emulator builds fail with xcode 5
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# [22:30] <tbsaunde> Mossop: pull
# [22:30] <Mossop> tbsaunde: I'm pretty up to date already
# [22:31] <tbsaunde> Mossop: fix merged from central to inbound recently too
# [22:31] <Mossop> Oh, I bet it's not on fx-team yet then
# [22:31] <tbsaunde> so not recent enough
# [22:31] <@ehsan> oh inbound
# [22:31] <@ehsan> why art thee closed?
# [22:31] <@ehsan> (closedth?)
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# [22:32] <@ehsan> Mossop: it's master's tip
# [22:32] <@ehsan> er
# [22:32] <@ehsan> m-c's tip
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# [22:33] <@ehsan> RyanVM: can I safely assume that the tree won't reopen in the next hour or so?
# [22:33] <Mossop> Ugh and now I blew away my work
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# [22:34] <RyanVM> ehsan: yes
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# [22:34] <RyanVM> we haven't even figured out for sure what all needs backing out yet
# [22:34] <tbsaunde> RyanVM: accepting the part where I assume he has access to treestatus.m.o
# [22:35] <@ehsan> RyanVM: thansk
# [22:35] <@bz> 921583 and 921584 is fun
# [22:35] <@ehsan> thans, even
# [22:35] <@ehsan> dammit!
# [22:35] <@ehsan> thanks!
# [22:36] <sicking> bz: i think i have a proposal based on last nights discussion. Unfortunately it's based on a "lets solve a simpler problem instead" approach
# [22:37] <@ehsan> bz: I know!
# [22:38] <dholbert> bz, ha! back-to-back
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# [22:39] <@bz> dholbert: indeed
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# [22:39] <@bz> dholbert: That's the fun part
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# [22:40] <RyanVM> philor: oh me oh my, a real-looking asan failure
# [22:40] * @bz mutters about the b2g build system
# [22:40] <@bz> and the fact that people don't want to make it sane
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# [22:40] <@ehsan> bz: what problem are you hitting?
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# [22:42] <@bz> ehsan: So building the emulator on Linux needs you to have installed 32-bit ncurses and gl libs
# [22:42] <@ehsan> bz: oh yeah
# [22:42] <@bz> ehsan: Which you find out about when you get to _linking_
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# [22:42] <@bz> ehsan: which is nuts, imo
# [22:43] <@ehsan> bz: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=897727
# [22:43] <@ehsan> bz: please comment on the bug!
# [22:43] <@bz> ehsan: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=847553
# [22:43] <@bz> ehsan: I'm done filing bugs on the b2g build system
# [22:44] <@ehsan> :(
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# [22:44] <@bz> ehsan: my problem is not the requirements, it's the fact that it's considered ok to not check them
# [22:44] <@bz> ehsan: an to force developers to run the whole build to see if they've managed to satisfy them now
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# [22:44] <@bz> ehsan: My obvious response is "never build b2g"
# [22:44] <@bz> ehsan: which is my plan. ;)
# [22:44] <@ehsan> bz: yeah I hear you
# [22:44] <@ehsan> bz: I'll try to get that patch landed
# [22:45] <@ehsan> I also think this is insane
# [22:45] <@bz> well
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# [22:50] <@bz> ehsan: pretty much anything about building anything b2g-related is insane
# [22:50] <@bz> ehsan: starting with "pulling the source"
# [22:50] <@bz> ehsan: :(
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# [22:51] <@ehsan> bz: you mean the source code size?
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# [22:52] <@bz> ehsan: no, the fact that it comes from flaky servers
# [22:52] <@bz> ehsan: so when you try to pull it, it fails
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# [22:53] <@bz> ehsan: and then you keep trying ... until eventually it manages to work
# [22:53] <@ehsan> oh yeah, that
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# [22:53] <@bz> ehsan: see, you're so used to it....
# [22:53] <@ehsan> bz: :(
# [22:53] <@ehsan> bz: that's very sad, people getting used to semi-working tools
# [22:54] <@bz> ehsan: yup. :(
# [22:54] * @bz has been guilty of that too
# [22:54] <@bz> (gdb!)
# [22:55] <@ehsan> bz: well... try *debugging* something on the emulator
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# [22:55] <@ehsan> bz: I almost threw my computer out of the window earlier this week
# [22:55] <@bz> ehsan: Oh, I have
# [22:55] <@bz> ehsan: I treated it the way I treat try
# [22:55] <@ehsan> (if only I could open the windows at this office!)
# [22:55] <@bz> ehsan: lots of printf debugging, slow debug cycle. ;)
# [22:56] <@ehsan> yeah
# [22:56] <@ehsan> I resorted to printf as well
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# [22:57] <@bz> The combination of printf, dump(), and DumpJSStack() is surprisingly effective
# [22:57] <RyanVM> KWierso: philor: kats: I'm increasingly suspicious of kats' push of ckitching's patches for the android crashes
# [22:57] <@bz> If I could also easily dump the C++ stack, wold be even better
# [22:58] <kats> RyanVM: those patches could very well lead to crashes
# [22:58] <kats> feel free to back out if you suspect them
# [22:58] <RyanVM> kats: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=28472582&tree=Mozilla-Inbound
# [22:58] <philor> I vaguely wanted to like them for it, but with all the external bustage it was hard to tell
# [22:58] <RyanVM> look at the stack in the full log
# [22:58] <RyanVM> i don't have the retriggers to prove it, but the stack looks suspicious
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# [22:59] <tbsaunde> bz: backtrace(3) ?
# [22:59] <@bz> tbsaunde: I should try!
# [23:00] <RyanVM> dammit, why did we move all of our booze to the new house already?
# [23:00] <tbsaunde> personally I can tolerate gdb more than printf debugging especially for what I usually debug
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# [23:01] <RyanVM> kats: now I see why you didn't want credit for that! :P
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# [23:01] <kats> RyanVM: lol :)
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# [23:02] <RyanVM> kats: "it was the intern's fault!"
# [23:02] <kats> well i reviewed those patches
# [23:02] <kats> my fault too
# [23:02] <kats> but at least my name isn't on the patch :)
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# [23:02] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/f7d9445c77a7 - Ryan VanderMeulen - Backed out 6 changesets (bug 913985) for suspicion of causing intermittent Android crashes on a CLOSED TREE.
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# [23:05] <kats> RyanVM: thanks
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# [23:06] <RyanVM> KWierso: philor: OK, test_window_bar.html is intermittently failing back to this morning now
# [23:06] <KWierso> hooray
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# [23:09] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/0f4c69afd5b9 - Jared Wein - Bug 920803 - Blocked plug-in click-to-activate doorhanger is too narrow for some locales. r=dao a=lsblakk
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# [23:10] <RyanVM> KWierso: maybe smaug's push
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# [23:13] <@smaug> hmm
# [23:13] <@smaug> what did I push
# [23:14] <KWierso> 921033
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# [23:14] <@smaug> KWierso: and where is the test failing?
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# [23:15] <KWierso> test_window_bar.html
# [23:15] <jaws> RyanVM: thanks
# [23:15] <@smaug> KWierso: which platform?
# [23:15] <KWierso> osx
# [23:15] <jaws> why does firebot show mozilla-beta checkins but not mozilla-aurora?
# [23:15] <@smaug> KWierso: that stuff runs on b2g only
# [23:15] <KWierso> RyanVM: ^
# [23:15] <@smaug> so highly unlikely my patch would have affected
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# [23:17] <RyanVM> smaug: ok, just a guess at this point
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# [23:19] <decoder> RyanVM: im a little confused by the log
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# [23:19] <decoder> since that is a mochitest, it should symbolize the log
# [23:19] <decoder> but the harness also doesnt indicate an error (?)
# [23:19] <decoder> although this will cause the process to exit
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# [23:20] <RyanVM> decoder: well, it exited with code 1
# [23:20] <decoder> is this maybe some strange subprocess/child?
# [23:20] <decoder> RyanVM: yea but the harness doesnt show that.. so something is wrong
# [23:20] <RyanVM> decoder: no clue, sorry
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# [23:21] <shu> what is beta right now, 25?
# [23:21] <KWierso> shu: yes
# [23:22] <decoder> RyanVM: it would maybe fit the symptoms if it wasnt the actual process dieing here but some child
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# [23:22] <RyanVM> these M3 oranges would be easier to track down if OSX wasn't timing out in the dom-level* tests like crazy too
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# [23:22] <shu> can someone a? bug 901389 for beta, it seemed urgent but nobody's a+'d it yet
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# [23:22] <RyanVM> shu: ping in #release?
# [23:23] <shu> RyanVM: didn't even know we had that channel
# [23:23] <decoder> padenot|away: ping
# [23:23] <shu> RyanVM: there's nobody in that channel
# [23:23] <shu> i guess #releng is what i want
# [23:23] <RyanVM> no
# [23:23] <KWierso> s/?//
# [23:23] <RyanVM> shu: then just ping lsblakk or akeybl directly
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# [23:23] <RyanVM> given timezones, lsblakk is probably the better option
# [23:23] <shu> RyanVM: okay, thanks
# [23:24] <shu> lsblakk: ping for a? on bug 901389
# [23:24] <RyanVM> KWierso: so basically, I think we're down to just OSX M3 now
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# [23:27] <KWierso> RyanVM: looking at the test and the log, it only runs through one of the two windows that is opened before timing out
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# [23:32] <RyanVM> KWierso: I so badly want to disable the dom-level* tests on OSX
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# [23:36] <RyanVM> bz: ping
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# [23:48] <lightsofapollo> harth: https://github.com/harthur/bz.js/pull/12
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# [23:48] <lightsofapollo> harth: Very randomly- Do you still have any interest in maintaining bz ? There are a few update I would like to make now that we can hit bugzilla.mozilla.org/rest/ (adding stuff mostly)
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# [23:49] <harth> lightsofapollo: I'll add you as a contributor
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# [23:49] <lightsofapollo> woot!
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# [23:50] <RyanVM> KWierso: maybe mwargers' push
# [23:51] <mwargers> RyanVM, which test?
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# [23:51] <RyanVM> mwargers: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=28486539&tree=Mozilla-Inbound
# [23:52] <RyanVM> test_window_bar.html is frequently timing out like that
# [23:52] <RyanVM> so far, 918604 is the farthest back it's reproduced
# [23:52] <mwargers> RyanVM: I didn't touch that file, fwiw
# [23:52] <RyanVM> i'm aware
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# [23:52] <RyanVM> (already looked at the cset)
# [23:53] <harth> lightsofapollo: okay, there you go
# [23:53] <RyanVM> mwargers: in that push, bug 897516 was backed out and bug 918050 is highly unlikely
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# [23:53] <mwargers> RyanVM: you just like to call out my name ;)
# [23:53] <lightsofapollo> harth: would you also be ok with adding me to the npm owners list so I can push new packages? (I am mostly using this with node right now)
# [23:54] <RyanVM> mwargers: i can try retriggering on your Try push, but I don't know if the M3 failures on that will interfere
# [23:54] <harth> lightsofapollo: yeah, let me find out how to do that
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# [23:54] <lightsofapollo> npm owner add lightsofapollo
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# [23:54] <mwargers> RyanVM: you're saying that backing out bug 897516 did fix that timing out failure?
# [23:54] <harth> lightsofapollo: you 'lightsofapollo'?
# [23:54] <RyanVM> mwargers: no, I'm saying it was already backed out, so it didn't cause the timeouts
# [23:54] <lightsofapollo> haha yes
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# [23:55] <mwargers> ah, I see
# [23:55] <RyanVM> mwargers: so yours is the only cset it could be in that push
# [23:55] <lightsofapollo> hmm maybe I am more then one actually lemme check
# [23:55] <RyanVM> (if indeed I can't reproduce it any further back)
# [23:55] <RyanVM> mwargers: i have more runs going, but all green prior to that push so far
# [23:55] <WG9s> Hey ! am I the only person having issues building current trunk under windows using msvc exrpess?
# [23:55] <KWierso> WG9s: think you need to pull a more current trunk
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# [23:56] <lightsofapollo> harth: huh guess I have dashes =p
# [23:56] <lightsofapollo> https://npmjs.org/~lights-of-apollo
# [23:56] <WG9s> OK was trying to do abuild based on todays nightly changeset. this has been fixed post that?
# [23:56] <lightsofapollo> <- I am that one
# [23:56] <RyanVM> WG9s: yes
# [23:56] <RyanVM> m-c tip has a fix
# [23:56] <KWierso> WG9s: https://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/1a2d9a04ffb2 sounds like your problem and is the current tip of m-c
# [23:56] <mwargers> RyanVM, I guess my patch in bug 897516 could cause problems if some kind of thing is not cleaned up or something (zoom level or something like that)
# [23:56] <WG9s> OK then i will just wait till tomorrow.
# [23:57] <harth> lightsofapollo: hm, there's another 'lightsofapollo' then...
# [23:57] <harth> lightsofapollo: is your name james?
# [23:57] <lightsofapollo> yep
# [23:57] <WG9s> KWierso: thanks
# [23:57] <lightsofapollo> [Firefox OS slave]
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# [23:57] <harth> lightsofapollo: https://npmjs.org/~lightsofapollo
# [23:57] <lightsofapollo> that is also probably me but I also probably lost the password there =p
# [23:57] <harth> I'll add both of you
# [23:57] <lightsofapollo> haha thanks!!
# [23:58] <WG9s> KWierso: so was this only sindows or only pymike?
# [23:58] <WG9s> pymake
# [23:58] <RyanVM> KWierso: those B2G M3s aren't good either
# [23:58] <RyanVM> *sigh* more retriggers
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# [23:58] <RyanVM> KWierso: i know I starred some others on that with the csp backout
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# [23:59] <harth> lightsofapollo: okay, you should be able to publish now, I hope
# [23:59] <RyanVM> KWierso: oh shit, it's actually perma fail
# [23:59] <RyanVM> well that's an easy one
# [23:59] <RyanVM> mccr8: ping
# [23:59] <KWierso> out goes 6d0b41d53c32
# [23:59] <KWierso> :)
# [23:59] <lightsofapollo> harth: works! I will take good care of it
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