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# Session Start: Sat Sep 28 00:00:00 2013
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# [00:00] <mccr8> RyanVM: pong
# [00:00] <harth> lightsofapollo: thanks!
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# [00:01] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/2106260cb59b - Ryan VanderMeulen - Backed out changeset 6d0b41d53c32 (bug 920840) for B2G mochitest-3 timeouts.
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# [00:01] <RyanVM> mccr8 ^ - perma-fail starting on your push: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=28480685&tree=Mozilla-Inbound
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# [00:01] <RyanVM> mccr8: same spot in all logs
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# [00:02] <mccr8> RyanVM: weird, thanks. I did do a try run on the B2G emulator but I guess something changed.
# [00:02] <RyanVM> link?
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# [00:03] <RyanVM> mccr8: nvm, found it
# [00:03] <RyanVM> it's failing there too
# [00:03] <mccr8> hah oops...
# [00:03] <RyanVM> yeah...
# [00:03] <mccr8> That's what I get for checking my try results at night... :-/
# [00:03] <mwargers> RyanVM, the screenshot of that timeout shows that Firefox isn't running at all
# [00:04] <RyanVM> mwargers: I wouldn't take too much stokc in that
# [00:04] <RyanVM> the screenshot taking can be really flaky
# [00:04] <KWierso> mwargers, RyanVM: the test opens a window, runs some tests on it, opens another window, runs tests on it, then finishes
# [00:05] <KWierso> the log shows only one round of the tests are run, so it probably didn't open the second window
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# [00:05] <lsblakk> shu: looking
# [00:05] <shu> lsblakk: in particular, it's for the bug it's a dup of
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# [00:06] <mwargers> Kwierso, yeah, I see. Now is the question, why doesn't it open the second window?
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# [00:10] <rniwa> ehsan: ping
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# [00:12] <dholbert> random review-nitpick poll: If I have two functions "void foo()" and "void bar()", should I object to a patch that adds "return bar();" to foo's impl?
# [00:12] <mwargers> Kwierso, I wonder if the second window is perhaps blocked somehow by the popup blocker
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# [00:13] <mwargers> there is test_bug260264.html running before that test, which is changing (and reverting on unload) the dom.popup_maximum pref
# [00:13] <dholbert> The "return bar();" grates against my sense of propriety, in a function w/ void return-type, but maybe it's just me. (And technically , if we _actually_ changed either function to have a non-void return type, the compiler would explode and let us know something's wrong)
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# [00:13] <RyanVM> mwargers: the retriggers seem to be pointing pretty conclusively at that push being the culprit
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# [00:15] <KWierso> RyanVM: I retriggered the try run's jobs, but they're all still pending because try
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# [00:17] <RyanVM> KWierso: when the retriggers finish on smaug's push prior to that, I'm backing mwargers out assuming no failures
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# [00:18] <@ehsan> rniwa: hey, I was about to leave for the day...
# [00:19] <@ehsan> rniwa: do you mind sending me an email please?
# [00:19] <rniwa> ehsan: hi!
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# [00:19] <rniwa> ehsan: oh, i was just gonna say hi and i'm in Toronto right now
# [00:19] <@ehsan> rniwa: oh cool! :)
# [00:19] <@ehsan> rniwa: you should drop by some time next week, we can go for lunch :)
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# [00:19] <rniwa> ehsan: I was expecting to be in the downtown Toronto but then my schedule changed so i'm staying at Le Germain near CNTower
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# [00:19] <rniwa> ehsan: unfortunately i'm flying back tomorrow morning :(
# [00:19] <@ehsan> oh
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# [00:20] <rniwa> ehsan: yeah...
# [00:20] <@ehsan> rniwa: that's too bad :(
# [00:20] <rniwa> ehsan: that's what I said :(
# [00:20] <@ehsan> rniwa: I already have plans for tonight... :/
# [00:20] <rniwa> ehsan: anyway, enjoying Toronto & recalling our epic discussions about the editing
# [00:20] <rniwa> ehsan: unfortunately I have been carried away to work more on performance stuff these days
# [00:20] <@ehsan> rniwa: yeah :) too bad none of it ever happened ;)
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# [00:20] <rniwa> ehsan: but I still have a dream of improving the editing
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# [00:20] <rniwa> ehsan: no, I still we got a lot of good ideas out of the meeting
# [00:21] <rniwa> ehsan: I think it was still valuable
# [00:21] <@ehsan> rniwa: yeah I don't work on the editor code either any more :/
# [00:21] <@ehsan> yeah it was definitely valuable
# [00:21] <rniwa> ehsan: at least I got to understand more about Mozilla's editing code
# [00:21] <@ehsan> we need to find people to realize them
# [00:21] <rniwa> ehsan: I actually very recently learned that smfr used to work on Mozilla's editing code LOL
# [00:21] <rniwa> (Simon Fraser)
# [00:21] <rniwa> ehsan: yeah
# [00:21] <@ehsan> yeah, I've seen his name in the blames :)
# [00:22] <rniwa> ehsan: although I've started to think that we need a somewhat different approach than what we've been trying for the last couple of years
# [00:22] <rniwa> ehsan: like... I've started to think that maybe we need two modes one for semantic HTML editing
# [00:22] <rniwa> and another mode for completely visual editing mode
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# [00:22] <@ehsan> rniwa: gecko has tried to do that (kind of)
# [00:22] <rniwa> ehsan: oh really?
# [00:22] <@ehsan> and failed miserably ;)
# [00:23] <@ehsan> yeah I think that was the idea behind the css-mode editing
# [00:23] <@ehsan> I mean it never worked the way you wanted it to
# [00:23] <@ehsan> but I _think_ that was the intention
# [00:23] <rniwa> ehsan: ah...
# [00:23] <rniwa> ehsan: I didn't even know
# [00:24] <@ehsan> I think that is a huge can of worms
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# [00:24] <rniwa> ehsan: yeah.
# [00:24] <@ehsan> basically spliting editing into two modes means that now you have two (very hard) problems :)
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# [00:24] <rniwa> ehsan: right
# [00:24] <rniwa> ehsan: I've had some discussions with my colleagus
# [00:24] <rniwa> ehsan: and we've started to think maybe we need to deal with pasted content separately
# [00:24] <rniwa> ehsan: because it causes so many problems :(
# [00:25] <@ehsan> yeah, handling pastes is *really* hard
# [00:25] <rniwa> ehsan: like all styles bleeding out of it and then start affecting the surrounding content in some bizarre way
# [00:25] <rniwa> ehsan: yup
# [00:25] <@ehsan> yeah
# [00:25] <@ehsan> rniwa: although scoped styles can help with that somewhat
# [00:25] <rniwa> ehsan: ideally, you want to treat a pasted block content like an image
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# [00:25] <@ehsan> but you still have to render it
# [00:25] <@ehsan> and it may come from weird/bad sources
# [00:25] <rniwa> ehsan: well... only that markup is saved into CMS and viewed by an old browser :(
# [00:26] <@ehsan> *ahem* MS office *ahem*
# [00:26] <rniwa> only until*
# [00:26] <rniwa> ehsan: right.
# [00:26] <@ehsan> yeah
# [00:26] <rniwa> ehsan: but you almost want some boundary like contenteditable=false
# [00:26] <rniwa> ehsan: because in most use cases, users don't even want to edit the pasted content
# [00:26] <@ehsan> rniwa: that really depends on why they're pasting
# [00:26] <rniwa> ehsan: yeah
# [00:27] <rniwa> ehsan: that's the tricky part even...
# [00:27] <@ehsan> I'm not convinced that one of the use cases is the dominant one
# [00:27] <rniwa> ehsan: in some use cases, you do want to be able to edit pasted stuff :(
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# [00:27] <rniwa> ehsan: but since we already do that okay
# [00:27] <@ehsan> s/okay/sort of okay/ :)
# [00:27] <rniwa> ehsan: I think we need to address more common use case where people just copy & paste some part of a web page
# [00:27] <rniwa> ehsan: and don't intend to mess with it
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# [00:27] <@ehsan> yeah, then you get into the problem of "copying" too!
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# [00:28] <rniwa> ehsan: lol
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# [00:28] <rniwa> ehsan: copying & pasting is really hard unfortunately :(
# [00:28] <RyanVM> woowoo, backout #6 in a row
# [00:28] <rniwa> dbaron: hi dbaron!
# [00:28] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/9cc67deecdba - Ryan VanderMeulen - Backed out changeset 356ba083bb5f (bug 918604) for frequent OSX test_window_bar.html timeouts.
# [00:29] <rniwa> ehsan: anyways, just saying hi :)
# [00:29] <@ehsan> rniwa: yeah... dragons are to be expected when you start thinking about this stuff!
# [00:29] <rniwa> ehsan: hopefully I'll have a chance to see you in person again soon :)
# [00:29] <@ehsan> rniwa: thanks! so sorry I'm busy tonight
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# [00:29] <rniwa> ehsan: np
# [00:29] <@ehsan> would have been lovely to catch up
# [00:29] <rniwa> ehsan: if anything, i should have told you earlier LOL
# [00:29] <@ehsan> yeah, let me know if you come back!
# [00:29] <rniwa> ehsan: unfortunately, i didn't even know i was coming here 'til this week
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# [00:29] <@ehsan> lol
# [00:29] <rniwa> ehsan: ended up paying $2400 for the plane ticket alone.
# [00:29] <@ehsan> omg
# [00:29] <rniwa> oh well
# [00:30] <rniwa> Air Canada...
# [00:30] <@ehsan> that's expensive! ;)
# [00:30] <rniwa> ehsan: indeed!
# [00:30] <alungu> bz_dinner: ping
# [00:30] <rniwa> ehsan: I would be super broke if Apple didn't pay for it
# [00:30] <@ehsan> rniwa: better talk to your manager soon ;)
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# [00:31] <rniwa> ehsan: oh, he already knows ;)
# [00:31] <rniwa> ehsan: oh, one more thing.
# [00:31] <@ehsan> yep
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# [00:31] <rniwa> ehsan: I've been working on a new performance benchmark: http://rniwa.com/DoYouEvenBench/
# [00:31] <RyanVM> mwargers: dammit
# [00:31] <rniwa> ehsan: somehow firefox doesn't do so well on the test case I added in http://trac.webkit.org/changeset/156425
# [00:31] <RyanVM> literally the last retrigger on the push prior just failed
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# [00:32] <@ehsan> rniwa: I'll file a bug either later tonight, or tomorrow!
# [00:32] <@ehsan> rniwa: thanks for letting me know
# [00:32] <rniwa> ehsan: okay!
# [00:32] <mwargers> RyanVM, sorry to hear that, that must have taken a lot of time to figure out
# [00:32] <rniwa> ehsan: np. I'm just trying to make sure I'm not doing anything stupid
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# [00:32] <RyanVM> mwargers: i'll make sure you get re-landed
# [00:33] <rniwa> ehsan: in my test, etc..
# [00:33] <@ehsan> rniwa: I'll take a look, and will let you know if I find something bad
# [00:33] <mwargers> RyanVM: thanks
# [00:33] <rniwa> ehsan: anyway, i let you go :)
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# [00:33] <lsblakk> shu: +
# [00:33] <@ehsan> rniwa: it was good to talk to you!
# [00:33] <rniwa> ehsan: ttyl ;)
# [00:33] <@ehsan> safe travels
# [00:33] <rniwa> ehsan: same here
# [00:33] <rniwa> ehsan: thanks
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# [00:34] <Asa> Is this really us or some other "Mozilla" ? http://news.techeye.net/software/mozilla-wants-to-debug-scientific-code
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# [00:34] <DGMurdockIII> why are the flash play and pause and scrub buttons so big on flash video or content on the firefox mobile browers
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# [00:34] <Asa> Because I didn't know we had a "Mozilla Science Lab"
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# [00:35] <mccr8> Asa: https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2013/06/14/5992/
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# [00:35] <DGMurdockIII> no https://wiki.mozilla.org/ScienceLab
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# [00:37] <Asa> interesting
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# [00:38] <DGMurdockIII> https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/962729?esab=a&s=&r=0&as=s
# [00:38] <DGMurdockIII> this is a bigger problem that just that one site
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# [00:44] <NeilAway> dholbert: yeah, but I can't see which code actually cuts the text :-(
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# [00:47] <glandium> briansmith: there are versions of gnu make that allegedly don't have the deadlocking problem, but there are other problems with gnu make. One is that forking is slow, another one is that msys path munging is a mess. We had tons of path problems with gnu make.
# [00:47] <briansmith> glandium: I see.
# [00:47] <briansmith> I figured such.
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# [00:47] <briansmith> BTW, thanks for fixing the recent Windows build issue
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# [00:48] <glandium> froydnj: we fail in configure if not building in c++0x mode
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# [00:52] <lsblakk> firebot: !seen robnyman
# [00:52] <firebot> robnyman was last seen 12 weeks, 1 day, 7 hours, 40 minutes and 55 seconds ago, saying 'Hi guys. Is this the right place to ask about the new Building Firefox OS web site, DNS issues and such?' in #webprod.
# [00:52] <Asa> I wonder what the traffic on Hacker News front page linked bugs is like. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=475891 should be spiking pretty good.
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# [00:56] <@dolske> Bugzilla uses Google Analytics, so I assume that's learnable by someone. Or, well, we have logs too. :)
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# [00:57] <froydnj> glandium: \o/
# [00:57] <RyanVM> ok, dholbert's on the hot seat now
# [00:57] <RyanVM> how far back can we go? :)
# [00:57] <glandium> froydnj: also, there's a bug on b2g tbpl logs being -s
# [00:58] <froydnj> glandium: excellent
# [00:58] <dholbert> RyanVM, /me is blissfully unaware of what you're discussing
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# [00:58] <RyanVM> dholbert: the test_window_bar.html failures
# [00:58] <RyanVM> dholbert: retriggering back to try to figure out where they started
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# [00:59] <dholbert> RyanVM, what platform?
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# [00:59] <dholbert> ah, I see
# [00:59] <RyanVM> osx 10.7/10.8
# [00:59] <dholbert> mac
# [01:00] <RyanVM> dholbert: don't get too uncomfortable, I've already thought I've had it found once
# [01:00] <RyanVM> and literally the last retrigger to finish on the push prior went orange
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# [01:01] <dholbert> RyanVM, I don't think my push could've broken anything except for button-positioning/sizing, so I'd be surprised to have it turn out to be the culprit for a timeout/hang
# [01:02] <dholbert> [fwiw]
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# [01:02] <RyanVM> dholbert: fair enough
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# [01:03] <NeilAway> Gijs: no, not for visibility: hidden;
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# [01:05] <NeilAway> dholbert: iirc it wouldn't be the first, I complained about one a few years ago
# [01:05] <NeilAway> dholbert: personally I can understand the use with templates, but otherwise, it makes no sense to me
# [01:05] <decoder> glandium: i dont understand your trapv proposal :) what do you intend to achieve?
# [01:05] <decoder> the errors I reported are already at runtime
# [01:06] <dholbert> NeilAway, it looks like it's technically invalid in C, but I don't think it's invalid C++
# [01:06] <decoder> (i.e. the overflows are actually happening, not just theoretically)
# [01:06] <dholbert> NeilAway, but yeah, I don't like it. :)
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# [01:07] <RyanVM> dholbert: off the hot seat :)
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# [01:07] <NeilAway> briansmith: Microsoft have a POSIX compatibility layer for the Professional versions of their OSes. But the gmake that comes with that still deadlocks :-(
# [01:08] <dholbert> RyanVM, \o/
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# [01:19] <WG9s> KWierso: Thanks for the help earlier. I took that patch and applied it and my build is way past where it died before.
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# [01:23] <philor> oh, what a shame, someone broke gaia-unit on inbound
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# [01:25] <RyanVM> philor: so the test_window_bar.html failures go back to overnight
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# [01:26] <philor> RyanVM: awesome
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# [01:26] <glandium> decoder: they would happen on "normal" builds, not just asan
# [01:27] <decoder> glandium: those arent asan builds
# [01:27] <decoder> those are ubsan builds
# [01:27] <glandium> decoder: on non asan builds, overflows happen unnoticed
# [01:27] <decoder> glandium: regular clang + -fsanitize=signed-integer-overflow
# [01:28] <decoder> is the same as ftrapv
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# [01:28] <philor> oh, gaia-unit is probably mccr8
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# [01:28] <mccr8> believable
# [01:28] <decoder> glandium: the overflows are happening (and im 100% sure they also happen on gcc)..
# [01:28] <mccr8> though I did get backed out already
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# [01:28] <decoder> it's just that we dont care it seems
# [01:28] <philor> and convenient, now nobody will know I starred it all afternoon as the wrong backout
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# [01:29] <glandium> decoder: which is why i'm suggesting that we do. on more than a few builds
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# [01:29] <decoder> glandium: but what would that help? the developers dont want to fix it
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# [01:29] <@smaug> taras: ping
# [01:29] <glandium> decoder: they would fix it if the tree turned red
# [01:30] <decoder> glandium: no. because it would be our change.. not theirs..
# [01:30] <decoder> mats already said they dont want to fix it
# [01:30] <decoder> :(
# [01:30] <decoder> it would just render the whole tree red^^
# [01:30] <glandium> decoder: i'd say go upper in the management chain
# [01:30] <decoder> okay :)
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# [01:31] <decoder> i would also try to do it myself. I even wrote a wrapper class
# [01:31] <decoder> but the problem is, substituting a basic type like int32_t with a wrapper is non-trivial
# [01:31] <decoder> I had to add some explicit casts, but thats ok
# [01:32] <decoder> but i got stuck in the ipdl parts of the code
# [01:32] <decoder> where serializing/deserializing happens
# [01:32] <glandium> decoder: since mats is superreviewer, i'd probably go with brendan, he has the final say, in the end
# [01:32] <decoder> ok
# [01:32] <@dbaron> glandium, decoder, are you talking about the integer overflows stuff?
# [01:32] <decoder> dbaron: yes
# [01:32] <@dbaron> glandium, decoder, I think you're trying to escalate way too fast without having a discussion first
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# [01:33] <decoder> dbaron: im trying to have the discussion in the bug
# [01:33] <decoder> it's just that I dont get much more feedback than "wontfix"
# [01:33] <glandium> true that bugzilla is not really suited for such discussions
# [01:34] <glandium> better to try dev-platform
# [01:34] <glandium> although it's usually hard to get an outcome from dev-platform discussions like that
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# [01:35] <@dbaron> decoder, I've also (a) forgotten the bug number and (b) haven't had a spare minute since we last talked
# [01:35] <dholbert> Waldo, ping
# [01:35] <Waldo> dholbert: pong
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# [01:35] <dholbert> Waldo, d comes before t, but it doesn't come before T
# [01:35] <@dbaron> oh, wait, I have the bug in a tab
# [01:35] <decoder> dbaron: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=919486 :)
# [01:35] <decoder> and i wasnt referring to you
# [01:36] <decoder> rather to mats
# [01:36] <dholbert> Waldo, (from what I've seen in other moz.build files, capital letters sort first)
# [01:36] <Waldo> dholbert: guh, does moz.build consider case when sorting? :-(
# [01:36] <Waldo> dumb dumb dumb
# [01:36] <decoder> dbaron: i think it's essentially wrong to consider it "ok" to have signed integer overflow at all.. and I have several people on my side for that
# [01:36] <dholbert> Waldo, I believe it does
# [01:36] <decoder> it's just the question how to fix it
# [01:36] <decoder> and I would even help with that
# [01:37] <Waldo> boooooooooo-urns
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# [01:37] <dholbert> Waldo, based on CPP_SOURCES here: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/image/src/moz.build
# [01:37] <dholbert> (and EXPORTS as well)
# [01:37] <Waldo> boooooooooo-urns, I say again!
# [01:37] <@dbaron> decoder, I think if we want to make a decision between two options, we actually need to know what the options are.
# [01:37] <@dbaron> decoder, so I think it would be useful to have a proposal for how to fix
# [01:37] <stuart> i like (a)
# [01:37] <@smaug> does anyone here understand startupcache?
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# [01:38] <Waldo> ah, yes, I chose (c)
# [01:38] <stuart> (c) is ok, but only if it is blue
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# [01:38] <@dbaron> decoder, though you should also expect feedback on such a proposal from domain experts
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# [01:39] <decoder> dbaron: right. I made one in bug 920471, or rather jesse did, but I dont know if it's actionable. the second option is to build with float by default (not sure why we dont do it), and the third is to build with -fwrapv (doesnt work on windows, and will make stuff slower i guess)
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# [01:39] <decoder> i also tried the float build thing mats suggested, unfortunately that isnt even building
# [01:39] <decoder> burnt on try
# [01:39] <@dbaron> decoder, float by default would be a massive change -- there's an ifdef there, but it's basically untested
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# [01:39] <@dbaron> decoder, and I think we don't want to switch layout to floats
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# [01:40] <decoder> dbaron: okay.. i just tried it because mats said we want that anyway...
# [01:40] <@smaug> taras: nm
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# [01:40] <decoder> what I tried was typdef'ing nscoord to a wrapper class
# [01:40] <decoder> that also worked with only minor code changes
# [01:40] <@dbaron> decoder, you should realize that you're casually proposing changing something that people have spent ages debating... oh, and I disagree with mats that it's something we want
# [01:40] <decoder> but I got stuck in ipdl code
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# [01:40] <@dbaron> decoder, and it's worth having some awareness of what those debates are, and how changing whether we use integers or floats affects the correctness and performance of layout code, etc.
# [01:41] <decoder> right. tbh, i dont know anything about the int vs. float thing for layout
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# [01:41] <decoder> im just trying to get ubsan working on our codebase, and it's pretty much impossible to detect real bugs with all of this layout code spilling signed overflows on me^^
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# [01:47] <decoder> dbaron: im not actually trying to annoy people^^ im rather trying to pull in all of the tools that would help make our code better.. asan is here now, tsan and ubsan are next.. but for both there is heavy push back because people refuse to fix (sometimes even tiny) stuff, except if it's about to blow up in their face immediately^^
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# [01:47] <decoder> e.g. tsan could detect a lot of issues in our code if people weren't too lazy to fix some "benign" races (if they actually are)
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# [01:58] <@dbaron> decoder, I think if you want the problems fixed you either need to (a) convince people that they're important enough to spend the time to come up with a solution (b) convince people that you have a good solution to the problem, or some combination of the two. Complaining that other people aren't fixing them isn't, alone, going to lead to progress.
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# [01:59] <glandium> dbaron: aiui, the problem is people (mats) not wanting a fix at all, even if it comes from someone else
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# [01:59] <decoder> dbaron: yep, thats why I always try to help fixing the issues myself. but I can hardly make all that on my own *and* push the new tools. it's clear that the new tools are beneficial for our codebase but if the actual developer is not immediately making profit of it, then it's hard to convince him/her
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# [02:13] <KWierso> RyanVM: oh boy, it goes back to a merge from m-c :O
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# [02:16] <froydnj> decoder: the Read/Write ipdl stuff for your wrapper class is probably pretty easy to do
# [02:16] <decoder> froydnj: that would be awesome :)
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# [02:17] <glandium> enough is enough https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=921681
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# [02:17] <froydnj> glandium++
# [02:18] <glandium> i'm tempted to file a "remove icu" bug
# [02:18] <froydnj> decoder: something like: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/ipc/chromium/src/chrome/common/ipc_message_utils.h#293
# [02:18] <glandium> "and find something else"
# [02:18] <froydnj> decoder: only s/ParamTraitsFixed/ParamTraits/ and drop the Log method
# [02:18] <RyanVM> KWierso: something from fx-team seems plausible
# [02:19] <froydnj> glandium: there's not really anything else, icu is pretty much the only game in town
# [02:19] <froydnj> glandium: why can't we build it in parallel again? weird icu problems?
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# [02:20] <RyanVM> dbaron: i think decoder needs some sheriff duty :P
# [02:20] <briansmith> decoder glandium: I read the bug and I think mats was saying that the cost doesn't seem to justify the benefit, because the benefit seems unclear
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# [02:21] <briansmith> It seems like decoder is saying that if we fix all of these overflow issues in layout then we'll find security-sensitive overflows elsewhere
# [02:21] <decoder> briansmith: the benefit is to not have broken code in the codebase that could eventually blow up + we could find more overflows elsewhere
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# [02:21] <briansmith> but it is too hard to find the security-sensitive overflows because layout is too noisy
# [02:22] <glandium> froydnj: its build system is full of races
# [02:22] <decoder> glandium: +1 for removing icu ;)
# [02:22] <glandium> froydnj: and its configure is long
# [02:22] <briansmith> decoder: how many files within layout/ are affected?
# [02:22] <glandium> froydnj: we could emscripten it or whatever
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# [02:23] <froydnj> glandium: I think that was discussed at one point
# [02:23] <froydnj> glandium: that would certainly be eating our own dogfood
# [02:23] <glandium> froydnj: that was mentioned, not really discussed
# [02:23] <RyanVM> decoder: OOC, how goes getting ASAN running on other platforms?
# [02:24] <decoder> RyanVM: only macosx is actionable atm, but I havent started it yet
# [02:24] <briansmith> decoder: do all of our compilers/platforms support some switch to make signed overflow defined behavior?
# [02:25] <decoder> briansmith: i dont think msvc does.. but im not 100% sure
# [02:25] <decoder> clang and gcc do
# [02:25] <decoder> but it could make the code slower
# [02:25] <briansmith> right.
# [02:25] <briansmith> which platform does your tool run on?
# [02:25] <decoder> linux
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# [02:25] <briansmith> so, why not do this:
# [02:26] <briansmith> 1. change the bulid system of layout/* so that that option is used on layout
# [02:26] <briansmith> 2. run your tool without the noise from layout/
# [02:26] <briansmith> 3. Find a real security bug outside of layout/
# [02:26] <briansmith> 4. report back that result
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# [02:26] <briansmith> Then you will have made a pretty solid case
# [02:27] <briansmith> that doesn't seem so abstract
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# [02:27] <glandium> briansmith: the c# compiler has an option to throw exceptions on overflows. the C/C++ compiler doesn't
# [02:27] <glandium> (msvc)
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# [02:29] <decoder> briansmith: yep, that might be a good alternative. I can also see if the ubsan people have added a blacklist now and maybe we can blacklist the respective files in layout/ entirely
# [02:30] <decoder> that doesnt guarantee though that something in layout goes wrong^^
# [02:30] <briansmith> decoder: right, but if you can demonstrate that this is a real problem then I think you've made a good argument that layout/ should fix its stuff.
# [02:30] <briansmith> I mean, for me the abstract argument of undefined behavior is enough.
# [02:30] <decoder> briansmith: im not sure how real it has to get
# [02:30] <briansmith> but for others I guess it helps to see concrete examples.
# [02:31] <decoder> i linked this for example: http://kqueue.org/blog/2013/09/17/cltq/
# [02:31] <decoder> thats a real example
# [02:31] <decoder> then again, that doesnt help if the dev says, they dont care about wrong results
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# [02:35] <briansmith> decoder: there's a big difference between "wrong results" and stack overflow or whatever
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# [02:36] <decoder> briansmith: depends on the code. in some code, wrong results immediately leads to security-problems, in others it doesnt
# [02:36] <decoder> but the point is more that it's not really predictable what can happen here
# [02:37] <briansmith> sure.
# [02:37] <decoder> the compiler can do all sorts of things, including removing if checks checking for some out of range stuff
# [02:37] <briansmith> Yes, I iunderstand.
# [02:37] <briansmith> How hard is it to just "fix" layout?
# [02:37] <briansmith> and, how hard is it to verify that the fix is complete?
# [02:38] <briansmith> The other argument in the bug is that your tool doesn't catch all the overflows so only fixing the overflows your tool catches doesn't make sense.
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# [02:38] <glandium> decoder: iirc there were good examples of the compiler optimizing out things because of integer overflows in some clang blog posts
# [02:39] <@dolske> has this tool (or ones like it) caught bugs in our codebase before? Just curious.
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# [02:39] <glandium> that should be part of making the case. We probably have code in the tree that tries to do overflow checking and fails doing it
# [02:39] <briansmith> decoder: have you tried to mass replace use of int32_t, etc. with SafeInt-like stuff?
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# [02:40] <briansmith> It seems like the only way we can be sure we've solved the problem is by banning the use of signed integers completely.
# [02:40] <froydnj> bignums4life
# [02:41] <briansmith> e.g. by mass rewriting the codebase to s/int32_t/SafeInt<whatever>/
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# [02:42] <glandium> ah that was the llvm blog. http://blog.llvm.org/2011/05/what-every-c-programmer-should-know_14.html
# [02:42] <decoder> briansmith: yes. I typedeffed nscoord with a wrapper i wrote
# [02:42] <briansmith> If you forge a new draft of the C++14 spec that says int, int32_t, etc. are deprecated and leave it somewhere for ehsan to find, then when you wake up in the morning it will be done for you
# [02:42] <decoder> but I need some ipdl stuff it seems
# [02:42] <decoder> froydnj pointed me at it. will take a look tomorrow
# [02:43] <decoder> dolske: yep. I found bugs with it before. nothing immediately exploitable though
# [02:43] <decoder> most of the exploitable stuff is found by asan already
# [02:43] <decoder> it stuff goes wrong in memory
# [02:44] <briansmith> there probably aren't many places in the codebase that are doing signed integer math more intensely than layout. So, if your wrapper doesn't hurt performance then why not do that
# [02:44] <decoder> yep. we'll have to try that
# [02:44] <decoder> (performance)
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# [02:51] <KWierso> RyanVM: near-tip fx-team got it on a retrigger \o/
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# [02:54] <RyanVM> KWierso: given how far back this goes, is it really worth holding the tree closed any longer?
# [02:54] <KWierso> I doubt it
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# [02:57] <briansmith> decoder: anyway, I support your goal and I will help you make your case. I personally don't think that using tools to detect integer overflow during test coverage is a good solution if we could just ban bare signed integer arithmetic in the codebase
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# [02:57] <briansmith> mainly because our test coverage isn't 100% and never will be
# [02:58] <RyanVM> KWierso: i just relanded mwargers, please make sure you take that too when you merge
# [02:58] <RyanVM> since it's well vetted at this point
# [02:59] <KWierso> okay
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# [03:00] <decoder> briansmith: thats right. unfortunately we use code from a lot of different projects, so it's likely impossible that we can just detect and ban all of that signed integer arithmetic :)
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# [03:01] <decoder> but yes, our tests and even fuzzing cant uncover all of these cases
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# [03:01] <briansmith> decoder: maybe we can build that code with -Dint=DecodersMagicInt
# [03:01] <RyanVM> KWierso: i've been trying to hunt down Bug 920979 as well
# [03:01] <decoder> briansmith: if it only was that easy ;)
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# [03:03] <Waldo> mjrosenb: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0080339/quotes?item=qt0484146
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# [03:03] <briansmith> decoder: I think a lot of the projects we're importing code from also have the goal of maximizing security
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# [03:04] <briansmith> Things that are in C are a hard problem.
# [03:04] <decoder> yep. thats true. and we can certainly recommend them to adapt any of our wrappers, once we have them and they are useful in any way
# [03:04] <briansmith> Libraries that are in C++, potentially we could work with them to make such things happen.
# [03:04] <decoder> thats always the best way
# [03:05] <decoder> just a long road to go :)
# [03:05] <briansmith> even less than that, if we could convince them to use a typedef that can be overridden in the build configuration.
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# [03:05] <briansmith> then they don't even need our wrapper, they just need to use that typedef consistently.
# [03:05] <glandium> briansmith: hey, while you're here, what's the ETA for nss 3.15.3 with ssl false start?
# [03:06] <briansmith> I am guessing we can write a clang static analsyis pass to verify that there is no arithmetic on bare signed integers and use it to scan our code and code we import
# [03:06] <briansmith> glandium: I don't know if there is a plan for a *release* soon.
# [03:06] <briansmith> I plan to finish the patch this weekend
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# [03:07] <briansmith> but, just a few days ago we agreed to release 3.15.2 without it.
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# [03:07] <briansmith> glandium: I am guessing you want a NSS 3.15.3 release for Debian, right?
# [03:07] <glandium> briansmith: yes
# [03:08] <glandium> it's already blocking me to package a beta
# [03:08] <briansmith> OK. I will finalize the patch then
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# [03:08] <briansmith> you are on nss-dev, right?
# [03:08] <glandium> i think i'm going to just remove the ssl false start code from psm
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# [03:08] <glandium> briansmith: i actually am not
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# [03:08] <briansmith> glandium: that isn't necessary.
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# [03:08] <briansmith> we will disable false start in PSM with a PSM patch
# [03:08] <briansmith> and make it so it cannot be enabled.
# [03:08] <glandium> briansmith: on 25?
# [03:08] <Jesse> aww, i missed a long discussion about integer overflows in gecko because i was discussing integer overflows in rust with brson
# [03:09] <briansmith> Yes.
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# [03:09] <glandium> briansmith: is there a bug for that?
# [03:09] <glandium> Jesse: erf
# [03:09] <briansmith> bug 920248
# [03:09] <Jesse> i think ftrapv will be cheaper for rust than for c++
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# [03:10] <briansmith> glandium: I just noticed the approval, I will land the patches this weekend.
# [03:10] <glandium> briansmith: oh it's already approved
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# [03:10] <glandium> briansmith: i'm surprised RyanVM didn't land them already
# [03:11] <briansmith> glandium: if you still want an NSS 3.15.3 release for Debian soon then please comment in the NSS bug.
# [03:12] <glandium> briansmith: if ssl false start is removed, i don't care anymore
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# [03:12] <briansmith> Jesse: what was the conclusion of the rust discussion?
# [03:12] <briansmith> I hope it was that there will be no undefined behavior in rust's arithmetic.
# [03:12] <Jesse> of course not
# [03:13] <Jesse> the question is whether to wrap or trap by default
# [03:13] <glandium> Jesse: optionally wrap?
# [03:13] <glandium> i can see a case for having both available
# [03:14] <briansmith> "wrap or trap" was the slogen for my 7th grade wellness class
# [03:14] <briansmith> slogan*
# [03:14] <briansmith> What does "wrap" mean in this context though.
# [03:14] <@dolske> Mr. Akbar was a terrible health teacher.
# [03:15] <briansmith> oh, wrap around
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# [03:15] <Jesse> and what overriding the default will look like e.g. int32_wrap, wrapping{a+b}, wrap_add(a, b), or my personal favorite, (a⊕b)
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# [03:15] <briansmith> trap seems like a horrible idea
# [03:16] <Jesse> why?
# [03:16] <briansmith> who wants to program in a language where (a + b) can crash your program?
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# [03:16] <Jesse> i'd prefer that over vectors being unsafe
# [03:16] <@dolske> C programmers?
# [03:17] <glandium> briansmith: the patch that landed for bug 920248 doesn't remove the patch, and doesn't remove the code that uses SSL_SetCanFalseStartCallback
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# [03:18] <glandium> briansmith: ah, we're not doing the same on aurora/nightly vs. beta?
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# [03:18] <briansmith> glandium: but the patch that landed does disable false start
# [03:18] <briansmith> yes, there is a different patch for beta
# [03:18] <glandium> briansmith: why not remove it on aurora too?
# [03:19] <briansmith> glandium: because we are still hoping to turn it back on on aurora
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# [03:19] <Jesse> the alternative is to be very very careful with any arithmetic that unsafe code relies on. and maybe that isn't too bad, since there should be less unsafe code in rust than in C*
# [03:19] <glandium> briansmith: i hope there will be a nss release with the patch landed, by then
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# [03:20] <briansmith> we should have at least a beta release
# [03:21] <briansmith> Jesse: I agree that array indexes should not wrap, I guess
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# [03:22] <briansmith> than the type that is used for regular arithmetic
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# [03:24] <briansmith> Jesse: ^ I hope that the difference in the amount of unsafe code in Rust and C++ is better described by something other than "less than"
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# [03:24] <Jesse> "regular arithmetic"?
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# [03:25] <Jesse> i don't want anything denominated in dollars to overflow either
# [03:25] <Jesse> unless i'm ordering 2^30 of them
# [03:25] <briansmith> money is not something to be counted in the default integer types of a programming language anyway
# [03:25] <briansmith> money and time are special like that
# [03:26] <@dolske> that's just your own 2.000000000000000001 cents.
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# [03:26] <froydnj> I don't want the integers in my decimal arithmetic package to overflow either
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# [03:26] <Jesse> i think "integers i don't really care about" are the special case
# [03:27] <Jesse> trapping means killing the task, not the entire program. at worst you get an ohsnap tab
# [03:27] <briansmith> won't the parent process be in rust too?
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# [03:28] <briansmith> as a systems programming language, maybe the best solution is to dispense with the idea of "general purpose integer type" altogether
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# [03:30] <briansmith> froydnj: you probably are going to end up with your decimal arithmetic package's internal arithmetic having undefined behavior on overflow
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# [03:30] <decoder> briansmith: regarding the typedef, I learned today that replacing a basic type with a wrapper might require quite a few additional changes in the code^^ because for nscoord (the main reason for overflowing in layout/), we have a typedef already
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# [03:31] <briansmith> doesn't nscoord's typedef make it easier?
# [03:31] <froydnj> briansmith: just pointing out that array indices shouldn't necessarily be treated differently, because you want to avoid undefined behavior elsewhere, too
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# [03:32] <froydnj> some places rely on nscoord being Just An Integer underneath and not an actual class
# [03:32] <decoder> briansmith: what froydnj says :)
# [03:32] <decoder> i was able to avoid a lot of code changes by heavy operator overloading + using explicit casts in some places
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# [03:33] <decoder> using implicit casting isnt possible unfortunately
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# [03:33] <briansmith> decoder: what's an example where implicit conversion operator doesn't work?
# [03:34] <decoder> briansmith: it makes operators ambiguous. e.g. if you make the wrapper implicitly int, what prevents the compiler from doing x + 4 -> int(x) + int(4), bypassing your + operator entirely
# [03:34] <decoder> (x being wrapper type)
# [03:35] <briansmith> besides "wrap" or "trap", there's also "static proof"
# [03:35] <briansmith> i.e. if the compiler can't prove to itself that there's no buffer overflow, fail to compile
# [03:36] <briansmith> that is probably the solution for the lowest-level things
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# [03:36] <decoder> sure.. in this case though, the wrapper wasnt meant to prevent overflow
# [03:36] <decoder> it was just meant to make overflow defined (the way wrapv would work)
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# [03:36] <briansmith> decoder: sorry, I was talking about the rust stuff
# [03:36] <decoder> oh, ok
# [03:36] <decoder> =)
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# [03:36] <decoder> 3:30 am >.<
# [03:37] <briansmith> decoder: I don't know the exact C++ overloading rules, but I believe that implicit conversion operators are mostly the last thing that is tried
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# [03:37] <briansmith> so if you have operator+(int, safeint) and operator+(safeint, int) then your operator int() should never be used for (x + 4) where x is safeint.
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# [03:38] <briansmith> though, don't take my word for it, as I may be mis-remembering and assuming too much common sense in the language spec.
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# [03:39] <RyanVM> briansmith: glandium: sorry, was tied up with the inbound mess and didn't get to landing anything this afternoon. Will get them Monday if you don't over the weekend.
# [03:39] <briansmith> thans RyanVM: I will try for this weekend.
# [03:40] <RyanVM> briansmith: ok :)
# [03:41] <KWierso> briansmith: watch out for the planned tree closure on sunday :)
# [03:41] <briansmith> thanks
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# [03:42] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/9cc90a4b6475 - David Anderson - Combine AsyncChannel, SyncChannel, and RPCChannel into one class (bug 901789, r=cjones,bent).
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# [03:48] <rstrong> KWierso: you mistarred to bug 918029 https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=28495314&tree=Fx-Teamb2g_emulator
# [03:49] <rstrong> For some reason the log is showing the checkin comment and that is what is matching the orange
# [03:49] <KWierso> rstrong: fixed, thanks
# [03:49] <RyanVM> rstrong: the log parser uses regexes and the commit message shows in the log :)
# [03:49] <RyanVM> rstrong: another reason to not use the bug summary as a commit message :P
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# [03:55] <tbsaunde> glandium++
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# [04:01] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/c868eb8d83fd - Christian Holler - Bug 921440 - Build ASan optimized builds with -gline-tables-only. r=ted
# [04:01] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/8cf8b27db6ea - Christian Holler - Bug 920055 - Honor install-strip and STRIP_FLAGS when packaging tests. r=ted
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# [04:10] <firebot> fe0a4e80-d36f-43cc-a37b-4e1906e77257 (/msg firebot cid for CID form)
# [04:11] <mina> can I generate an hg patch that someone else can commit for me in git?
# [04:11] <mina> none of these tools seem to do that: https://github.com/mozilla/moz-git-tools
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# [04:12] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/f25d193dba4f - Jeff Gilbert - Bug 911346 - Add a test for WebGL context creation. - r=bjacob
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# [04:14] <mina> nevermind git patch-to-hg-patch does that
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# [04:18] <RyanVM> jgilbert: ping
# [04:18] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/6852e2759547 - Brian Smith - Bug 920248: Disable TLS False Start and remove private NSS patch needed for false start, r=wtc, r=briansmith, a=akeybl
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# [04:23] <jld> mina: To prepare input for git-patch-to-hg-patch, I recommend: git format-patch -U8 -p --subject-prefix=""
# [04:24] <jgilbert> RyanVM: did I break everything already?
# [04:24] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/93ae220f13c9 - Ethan Hugg - Bug 921604 - Fix trickle unittests for machines with multiple addresses r=abr
# [04:24] <mina> jld: cool cool cool
# [04:24] <RyanVM> jgilbert: couldn't tell you, long ago closed tbpl
# [04:25] <RyanVM> just had a question about the webgl conformance suite
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# [04:25] <KWierso> jgilbert: not yet
# [04:25] <jgilbert> RyanVM: hah, alright, what's up?
# [04:25] <RyanVM> does anybody own the in-tree copy?
# [04:25] <RyanVM> as-in, keeping it in sync iwth upstream?
# [04:26] <jgilbert> RyanVM: we sync it very rarely
# [04:26] <jgilbert> so I suppose I own that
# [04:26] <RyanVM> yeah, looks like we're on 1.0.1 if I'm reading mxr right
# [04:26] <RyanVM> and 1.0.2 is out and 1.0.3 is in beta
# [04:27] <RyanVM> i'm just wondering if a newer version might fix some of the intermittent issues we hit
# [04:27] <RyanVM> kind of like the upstream dom tests that ms2ger imported
# [04:27] <RyanVM> a recent pull fixed some of the OOMing they were prone to causing
# [04:27] <RyanVM> lol, and speaking of which, 1.0.3 just crashed firefox
# [04:27] <RyanVM> whee
# [04:28] <WG9s> But the new version added tests that are known to cause crashes
# [04:28] <WG9s> becuase of driver bugs
# [04:28] <WG9s> but if we dont run the bugs section that should be OK
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# [04:29] <RyanVM> but I guess it also speaks to the larger point (and concern) about running upstream test suites
# [04:29] <RyanVM> who's responsible for keeping the in-tree versions current
# [04:30] <WG9s> specificallay the conformance/glsl/bugs part of the tests
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# [04:30] <RyanVM> jgilbert: anyway, sorry to bug you about that on a Friday night
# [04:30] <RyanVM> was just a point of curiosity
# [04:31] <jgilbert> no, syncing with upstream won't help with out intermittents
# [04:31] <jgilbert> with our*
# [04:31] <jgilbert> the newer versions just have more tests
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# [04:31] <jgilbert> we'll probably see more intermittents after syncing, since we're about quadrupling the number of tests, at this point
# [04:32] <RyanVM> :(
# [04:32] <WG9s> and i run the new versions for time totime and report bugw they find
# [04:32] <RyanVM> there seems to be only one that we hit with any frequency that I can thikn off offhand
# [04:32] <RyanVM> the linux timeout
# [04:33] <jgilbert> which one is that?
# [04:33] <WG9s> some of the tests take a bit of time. if linux is timing out intermittently on the test perhaps we need to adjust the timout time upwards.
# [04:33] <jgilbert> I see like three or so that cycle through my bugmail, at least
# [04:34] <WG9s> I f anythinbg the newer versions of the tests require a longer timeout.
# [04:34] <RyanVM> jgilbert: bug 777574
# [04:35] <WG9s> frommy experience runningthem some of the newer tests run much longer than the any of the test in the rpevious versions did.
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# [04:39] <WG9s> so if 1.0.1 test intermittently time-out updating to a newer version will probaly just make the newly added longer running tests time out 100% of the time.
# [04:41] <WG9s> from what i remeber form 1.0.1 tests kind of finished in what i would figure being a reasonable amount of time or timed out no mater how long you gave them
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# [04:42] <WG9s> the 1.0.3 version has tests that i consider to take an really ridiculously inordinate amount of time then come back green saying everything passed.
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# [04:48] <WG9s> Oh wll thenmy quesion is this a test harness timeout or a webgl confomance test wuite imposed timout.
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# [04:48] <WG9s> i may have misundersttod the issue.
# [04:49] <WG9s> if it is a test harness timeout issue I would just raise the timeout.
# [04:49] <WG9s> fi it si a confomance test imposed timout we are failing that is quite a different matter.
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# [04:53] <jgilbert> no, it's a harness thing
# [04:53] <jgilbert> on at least android 2.2, 10% of the time, the tests would timeout after 40m, where as the rest of the time, they would complete successfully in 18m
# [04:54] <WG9s> well the confomance test had timouts on each section if the harness has a shorter timout than the conformance test then the harness timout needs to be changed
# [04:55] <jgilbert> that wasn't really the problem, though
# [04:55] <jgilbert> I haven't looked at the linux one recently, thought
# [04:55] <jgilbert> though*
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# [04:55] <WG9s> if this test needs to finish in x time to be confomant but the harness times out in less than x then it is just wrong.
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# [04:57] <WG9s> the conformance suite has built in timeouts
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# [04:58] <WG9s> the harness houls permit those timeouts to be in controll of this, just my opinion.
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# [04:59] <nrc> :-(
# [05:00] <WG9s> but are we timingout via the harness on an indiviudual test runing to long or the whole suite runnign too long?
# [05:01] <WG9s> onindividual tests we whould set the timeout to be slightly larger thatn the biggest timout of any of the tests allowed by the suite, so we only tinmeout if the confrmance test for some reason did not.
# [05:02] <WG9s> when it should have
# [05:02] <WG9s> so things don;t just wait forever.
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# [05:02] <WG9s> but this suite has builtin timouts for each test and my opion is we should let those timouts be in control of pass-fail
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# [06:05] <@dolske> nrc: 0xFEEEFEFE is the sound the fox makes.
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# [06:06] <nrc> It is my Fox's death-rattle at the moment
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# [06:34] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/89512636e032 - Edwin Flores - Bug 919572 - Refactor the MP3 frame parser r=cpearce
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# [07:31] <MrRinat> Hello. Where i can to know, what is "gfxInfo = do_GetService("@mozilla.org/gfx/info;1");"?
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# [07:33] <MrRinat> How it works?
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# [08:40] <briansmith> do we have a substitute for std::bind, std::placeholders, etc.?
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# [12:44] <mmargoliono> hi guys, if you want to remove styling from button, aside from specifying -moz-appearance: none, do i need to remove the border and background as well?
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# [17:28] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/a8aca6978ed9 - Ben Turner - Bug 920800 - 'Add openKeyCursor() to IDBObjectStore'. r=janv.
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# [17:36] <Ms2ger> Third time's the charm?
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# [17:46] <paul> How often are aurora builds updated? If I land something in aurora today, when will users will have them?
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# [17:53] <Ms2ger> Aurora is daily once we start releasing them, I think
# [17:57] <paul> Ms2ger: cool. Thanks.
# [18:02] <Ms2ger> Three followups, of which two on a closed tree, and still getting backed out?
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# [21:46] <glosoli> Hmm is there any thoughts on Firefox to supporting process per tab in near future ?
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# [21:56] <froydnj> decoder: pong
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# [22:24] <decoder> froydnj: nevermind, I figured it out. the serializing thing is working now! :)
# [22:24] <decoder> thanks
# [22:24] <decoder> my problem was, I put the definition into my header file which resided in mfbt/
# [22:24] <decoder> that didnt work
# [22:24] <decoder> i moved it into one of the ipc headers, that works
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# [23:03] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/6cb9c4e2777c - Drew Willcoxon - Bug 874847 - Fix intermittent failure in browser_lastAccessedTab.js by including some fudge in the Date.now comparison. r=ttaubert
# [23:03] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/e56505c62aba - Tim Taubert - Bug 586153 - Avoid tab panel ID collisions by using a monotonic counter; r=dolske
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# [23:29] <decoder> froydnj: i found one thing that cannot be done without changing the code
# [23:29] <decoder> (with implicit casting)
# [23:29] <decoder> return (something ? mColumnRuleWidth : 0);
# [23:29] <decoder> mColumn.. being nscoord
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# [23:29] <decoder> in that case, the compiler will complain
# [23:29] <decoder> conditional expression is ambiguous; 'const nscoord' (aka 'const mozilla::Int32OverflowWrapper') can be converted to 'int' and vice versa
# [23:29] <decoder> so I need to cast 0 to nscoord explicitely
# [23:30] <decoder> we seem to have a few spots like that
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# [23:32] <tbsaunde> decoder: even with non explicit intwrapper(int32_t a) constructor?
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# [23:33] <decoder> tbsaunde: what do you mean by non-explicit?
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# [23:35] <froydnj> decoder: seems like it would be reasonable to add the explicit casts to such places regardless
# [23:35] <tbsaunde> decoder: as the constructor doesn't have the explicit keyword on it
# [23:35] <froydnj> decoder: though I could see how people might construe those as noise
# [23:35] <decoder> tbsaunde: i dont have any explicit keywords right now
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# [23:36] <decoder> froydnj: im adding them now just in those conditionals.. those dont seem to be appear very often
# [23:36] <froydnj> decoder: yeah...file a bug with just those changes and see what folks think
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# [23:37] <decoder> froydnj: okay will do if this ever compiles^^
# [23:37] <tbsaunde> decoder: interesting, http://paste.debian.net/47156/ works for me so I wonder what the difference is
# [23:37] <decoder> i only made very few code changes now
# [23:37] <decoder> tbsaunde: add an implicit int cast
# [23:37] <decoder> like inline operator int32_t() const { return val; };
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# [23:39] <tbsaunde> decoder: yeah, I did and get the same thing interesting, I'm not really sure why that matters
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# [23:40] <decoder> tbsaunde: seems like the compiler needs to be sure about what type the result of the conditional is
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# [23:45] <tbsaunde> decoder: yeah, I just meant I'm not clear what part of the spec means it can't tell it should be intwrapper
# [23:46] <decoder> ok :D
# [23:46] <decoder> this is also nice:
# [23:46] <decoder> void foo(double a);
# [23:46] <decoder> void foo(float a);
# [23:46] <decoder> and now we're calling foo(x+y);
# [23:46] <decoder> with x and y being nscoord (the thing im wrapping)
# [23:47] <decoder> now it doesnt know anymore which method it should call^^
# [23:47] <decoder> because I had to implement both operators for float and double, because we're also doing direct arithmetics with nscoord, float and double
# [23:47] <decoder> type mix++
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# [23:53] <decoder> nevermind :D
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