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4. # [00:00] <dholbert> heh. Guess it just hit the stroke of October, in some timezone
5. # [00:00] <RyanVM|afk> haha
6. # [00:00] <RyanVM|afk> that's awesome
7. # [00:01] <seth> lol
8. # [00:01] <RyanVM|afk> dholbert: hey, if you're going to troll, might as well have a sense of humor about it
9. # [00:01] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/e8453cdce005 - Ehsan Akhgari - Bug 921876 - Stop #including nsIFrame.h in nsLayoutUtils.h; r=roc
10. # [00:01] <dholbert> RyanVM|afk, srsly. points for creativity
11. # [00:02] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/b17120deb5b4 - Kannan Vijayan - Bug 912534. r=nbp
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22. # [00:06] <gandalf> anyone else gets compilation error around IonAllocPolicy:h GetIonContext not declared in the scope?
23. # [00:06] <gandalf> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/3173603
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37. # [00:19] <gwagner> roc: ping
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40. # [00:20] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/486c4d2bfe20 - Ehsan Akhgari - Convert the Web Audio DynamicsCompressorNode fatal assertion to a warning, because it should not be a fatal assertion (no bug)
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42. # [00:21] <seth> mconley: ping
43. # [00:21] <sicking> bz_dinner: ping when you're done eating spagetti
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47. # [00:23] <mconley> seth: pong!
48. # [00:23] <seth> mconley: quick question re: your measurements in bug 921051
49. # [00:23] <mconley> seth: hit me
50. # [00:24] <seth> mconley: i notice that we still have some red in those graphs, mostly on the values labeled "error". what exactly are those measuring?
51. # [00:24] <mconley> seth: ah, yes. Those.
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53. # [00:25] <mconley> seth: so, .error is an absolute measurement of how outside of the expected duration an animation is. For example, the tab open animation is supposed to take 230ms. If it takes 232ms, the error measurement is 2ms
54. # [00:25] <mconley> seth: it's an absolute value, so if it takes 219ms (that'd be really strange), then it'd be an error of 11ms.
55. # [00:25] <mconley> seth: avih --^ not sure if you want to hop in here
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57. # [00:26] <mconley> seth: I've been told that anything under 10ms of error is likely not worth our attention.
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61. # [00:27] <seth> mconley: i see. is it possible that we get hurt there because the first time a given frame is shown, the caching takes some extra time? or are we throwing out results from the first animation run/
62. # [00:27] <mconley> seth: there is a warm-up round
63. # [00:27] <mconley> seth: so I don't actually believe the error would be measured for the first time
64. # [00:27] <mconley> avih: can you confirm? --^?
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66. # [00:29] <avih> mconley: you did fine till now :) but the <10ms thingy is not strictly true. while <10ms will not be noticeable, on slower system it might. so the thing is that if the regression is relatively small (like sub 1ms or even 1-2-3 ms, then we should look at it and maybe discard it. but if some case is consistently 0.5ms and after some patch it becomes 5ms, then we'd at least wanna be able to explain what happened
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69. # [00:29] <seth> avih: consider this graph for example: http://compare-talos.mattn.ca/breakdown.html?oldTestIds=29895107,29896437,29896455,29896615&newTestIds=29895623,29896481,29896505,29896513&testName=tart&osName=Windows%20XP&server=graphs.mozilla.org
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73. # [00:29] <seth> avih: looks like the magnitude of the extra error in each case in <1ms
74. # [00:30] <seth> avih: (if i read this right)
75. # [00:30] <avih> seth: these regressions are negligible.they're 0.05ms
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77. # [00:30] <seth> avih: that's what i thought (need units on these things =) so it looks like this is not something to worry about. good
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80. # [00:31] <seth> mconley: avih: thanks for the info!
81. # [00:32] <avih> seth: right. these specific kinds of regression, from 0.6ms to 0.58ms, out of 230ms doesn't mean nothing and it's interesting to know what caused them - if they're not noise - but otherwise that's fine
82. # [00:32] <avih> 0.6->0.68* and similar values
83. # [00:32] <mconley> avih: dolske was wondering if there'd be a way to make those .error values less dramatic and distracting
84. # [00:32] <seth> yeah, i'd be curious to know why caching had any effect at all on the error results
85. # [00:32] <mconley> avih: like, making them more pass/fail
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87. # [00:33] <avih> but from 0.6 to 6ms, we'd at least like to be able to explain it, and then, depending on the explanation, the cost might be acceptable, depending on gains elsewhere
88. # [00:33] <mconley> avih: which sounds kinda like a good idea, because often times those measures look really dramatic and scary when in fact they're negligible.
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97. # [00:34] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/2bbafd515595 - Terrence Cole - Bug 609896 - Optimize copy and initialization of DenseElements; r=billm
98. # [00:34] <avih> mconley: well, since the regressions noticed when the average of all subtests changes in more than 2x stddev. .error regression like these are well within the noise level of the overall average
99. # [00:34] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/1e6a27764acd - Terrence Cole - Bug 921140 - Do not force an allocation for typical zone vectors; r=billm
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101. # [00:34] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/b6c4a0e72930 - Terrence Cole - Bug 921178 - Remove unused fallback marking bitmap; r=billm
102. # [00:35] <avih> mconley: and there isn't really pass fail. i can't make a formula to pass or fail it. it depends.
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104. # [00:35] <mconley> avih: I guess it's just easy to see a big red line in the compare-talos breakdown and feel like you broke something when in fact you didn't. :/
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106. # [00:36] <avih> mconley: well, if the change is not just noise, then it's good to know it happened.
107. # [00:36] <Mossop> gps: Did the way that mach parses mozconfig files change recently?
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113. # [00:36] <mbrubeck> Anyone know why I get a "couldn't load XPCOM" error dialog when I try to run "mach gtest" on my Windows build?
114. # [00:36] <avih> mconley: anyway, gtg. 1:30am here...
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116. # [00:37] <mconley> avih: okie doke
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118. # [00:38] <mbrubeck> Mossop: I don't see any recent changes to tho mozconfig parsing stuff. Why?
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121. # [00:38] <Mossop> mbrubeck: I haven't built on linux in a while and it is complaining about my mozconfig
122. # [00:38] <mbrubeck> The most recent mozconfig-parsing-related change is http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/34ca46861c28
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130. # [00:39] <avih> mconley: seth: also, if you look again at this breakdown, you'll notice that the percentage change is not with red background. this means that the change is within the noise level - unlike the green improvements which are real
131. # [00:39] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/ff2b4ebb4053 - Alexander Surkov - Bug 922184 - move IAccessible2 implementation into separate class, r=tbsaunde
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133. # [00:40] <mbrubeck> I'm guessing my gtest problem is related to https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=883339
134. # [00:40] <seth> avih: ah, good point!
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136. # [00:41] <avih> seth: which gives me an idea to also change the regression red bar to gray - if it's within noise
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138. # [00:41] <avih> i should try to ping mattn about it some day
139. # [00:41] <mconley> avih: oooh - yes, that might help
140. # [00:41] <mconley> avih: :)
141. # [00:41] <avih> :)
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173. # [01:06] <khuey> why are there no tests running on https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=a9019169da7f ?
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179. # [01:12] <sicking> khuey: see, it's not so crazy to ping you at 4am
180. # [01:12] <khuey> sicking: 4 am is crazy
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182. # [01:12] <khuey> sicking: 7 am on the other hand
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184. # [01:12] <khuey> anyways I figured since I was up I would repush ;-)
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186. # [01:13] <khuey> philor: ^ any idea?
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188. # [01:15] <philor> khuey: dunno
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190. # [01:16] <philor> crap, because nobody has tests
191. # [01:16] <khuey> oh, fun
192. # [01:17] <reuben> ooh, so it's not just me
193. # [01:17] <reuben> oh well :(
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209. # [01:23] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/0b568f6afca0 - Nicolas Silva - Bug 922007 - Enable new textures on fennec. r=mattwoodrow
210. # [01:24] <philor> firebot: bug 922405
211. # [01:24] <firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=922405 blo, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Unittests not being triggered on Try
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219. # [01:27] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/3393dcd91694 - Mike Hommey - Bug 921822 - Use existing install manifest for make install in js standalone builds. r=gps
220. # [01:28] <tbsaunde> philor: for a second there blo sounded a lot like low and I was very confused
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236. # [01:39] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/f4708377f788 - Daniel Holbert - Bug 921522: Use already-established flex container content-box main size to determine packing space, instead of checking reflow state. r=mats
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259. # [01:57] <salman> Is anyone here working on Breakpad, the crash reporting module from Google?
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263. # [01:58] <tbsaunde> salman: people do things with it when things need fixed
264. # [01:58] <tbsaunde> salman: what's up?
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272. # [02:01] <salman> tbsaunde: I am working on this bug [1] which is for the Windows systems. But before I go on to try and deal with it there, I am trying to familiarize myself with codebase. [1] https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=818894
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275. # [02:03] <salman> <tbsaunde> And for that I am working on a Linux machine first. So how is my question: Is breakpad compiled with Mozilla together? And if it is, how exactly does it keep an eye on the 'Mozilla' process? Any pointers?
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279. # [02:05] <tbsaunde> salman: if oyu read that bug you'll see its windows only
280. # [02:06] <salman> <tbsaunde> Yes, that I know. But it is used by Mozilla primarily on Linux based systems? And Mozilla wants to port it to WIndows. Am I correct?
281. # [02:06] <tbsaunde> its compiled into libxul, it just installs some signal handlers or the windows equivelent and then when they're called writes bits of memory to a file
282. # [02:07] <tbsaunde> salman: uhm did you read the description of the bug?
283. # [02:08] <salman> <tbsaunde> Yes, I did. But let me read it again if I have missed anything.
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303. # [02:16] <bent> philor, can you reopen try now?
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305. # [02:16] <philor> bent: 30 seconds ago
306. # [02:16] <bent> great, thanks
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314. # [02:27] <salman> <tbsaunde> Thanks, and I believe I am missed this line specifically -> On Linux and Mac we have our own minidump-writing code which is a lot more careful about allocation (no calls to malloc) and other things that might be unsafe.
315. # [02:28] <salman> <tbsaunde> On another note, is this bug [1] talking about shifting to breakpad on Linux too? [1] https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=587729
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318. # [02:29] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/2466893f18a7 - David Anderson - Rename IPDL's RPC to Interrupt (bug 910020, r=bent).
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331. # [02:33] <tbsaunde> salman: according to the description no that other bug is about dumping the crash dump from a seperate processes everywhere
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363. # [02:58] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/73e1b1a85886 - Mark Hammond - Bug 920397 part 3 - Ensure PContentParent doesn't close process handles multiple times. r=bsmedberg
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365. # [02:58] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/10c891d5b4e3 - Mark Hammond - Bug 920397 part 2 - MessageChannel::~MessageChannel() now asserts that closing the handle succeeded. r=bsmedberg
366. # [02:58] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/571e97a6ae54 - Mark Hammond - Bug 920397 part 1 - base::CloseProcessHandle() checks result in debug builds and is used everywhere a process handle is closed. r=bsmedberg
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368. # [03:00] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/fb7fb74cbc46 - Benoit Jacob - Bug 783914 - WEBGL_depth_texture doesn't work using ANGLE - r=jgilbert
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372. # [03:02] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/5ba6768e46fe - Mark Hammond - Bug 921342 - fix compiler warning about not enough args to macro ENSURE_NOT_CHILD_PROCESS_. r=bsmedberg
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376. # [03:03] <rnewman> anyone already backing out nfitzgerald's push to fx-team?
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378. # [03:04] <KWierso|sheriffduty> rnewman: I can be if you aren't already :)
379. # [03:04] <rnewman> doing it now
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382. # [03:07] <rnewman> done
383. # [03:07] <KWierso|sheriffduty> thanks :)
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415. # [03:22] <dchan> does anyone know where the code for checking the enabled pref of a JavaScript-navigator-property
416. # [03:23] <dchan> for something like mozTCPSocket or mozContacts
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418. # [03:25] <dchan> the closest thing I found was http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/dom/base/nsScriptNameSpaceManager.cpp#697
419. # [03:25] <dchan> but that seems to be for disabling an object
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421. # [03:26] <heycam> dchan, if it's defined in a Web IDL file, then the pref is listed in there
422. # [03:26] <heycam> dchan, e.g. see in dom/webidl/Navigator.webidl there are a bunch of things with [Func="SomeFunction"]
423. # [03:26] <heycam> where that function returns whether the property should be available
424. # [03:27] <reuben> dchan: that code allows you to set dom.navigator-property.disable.mozContacts
425. # [03:27] <heycam> and some of them use [Pref="name.of.pref"]
426. # [03:27] <dchan> heycam: hmmm
427. # [03:27] <dchan> so mozContacts originally didn't use webidl
428. # [03:27] <dchan> patch was landed then back out
429. # [03:27] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/f07fd38a6902 - Wes Kocher - Backed out changeset 0b568f6afca0 (bug 922007)
430. # [03:27] <dchan> but the old code still has something that checks for dom.mozContacts.enabled
431. # [03:28] <reuben> dchan: yes. the navigator property is only enabled on b2g and tests
432. # [03:28] <reuben> (and the mozContact constructor)
433. # [03:28] <reuben> http://dxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/search?tree=mozilla-central&q=regexp%3A%2Fdom.%28navigator-property|global-constructor%29.disable.mozContacts%3F%2F&redirect=true
434. # [03:29] <reuben> and Android but just for Nightly
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436. # [03:29] <reuben> dchan: out of curiosity, are you looking at mozContacts specifically or just the mechanism to do this?
437. # [03:30] <dchan> reuben: just the mechanism
438. # [03:30] <dchan> I can set dom.mozContacts.enabled to true and get an object back from
439. # [03:30] <dchan> navigator.mozContacts
440. # [03:30] <dchan> null/undefined if the pref isn't true
441. # [03:30] <reuben> right
442. # [03:30] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/df6ac934dd98 - Cameron McCormack - Bug 921716 - Don't paint column rules when element is visibility:hidden. r=sjohnson
443. # [03:31] <dchan> reuben: I was trying to find where the magic glue is that defines the dom.mozContacts.enabled pref
444. # [03:31] <reuben> dchan: with JavaScript-navigator-property you can return null/undefined in Init and the property will be set to that
445. # [03:32] <reuben> dchan: see http://dxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/dom/interfaces/base/nsIDOMGlobalPropertyInitializer.idl
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448. # [03:35] <reuben> dchan: note that if you're introducing things, WebIDL is preferred (if not required)
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450. # [03:35] <dchan> reuben: so looking at mozContacts which is a ContactManager object
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453. # [03:35] <dchan> it implements nsIDOMGLobalPropertyInitializer
454. # [03:36] <dchan> and the init() for it calls initDOMRequestHelper
455. # [03:36] <dchan> I'm guessing that some point in the call chain it does the pref checking and returns the object?
456. # [03:36] <dchan> reuben: duly noted about using webidl
457. # [03:38] <dchan> I think my main confusion is the differences between how webidl exposes the pref
458. # [03:38] <KWierso|sheriffduty> gps: ryanVM told me to ping you if any browser-chrome runs went orange on his merge from m-c to fx-team because he had to manually change something to get it to merge...
459. # [03:38] <dchan> which you can rename/point to another
460. # [03:38] <KWierso|sheriffduty> gps: some browser-chrome runs are going orange :)
461. # [03:38] <dchan> vs xpidl which seems to do it by magic
462. # [03:39] <dchan> does the glue code automatically create a .enabled preference for javascript-navigator-property?
463. # [03:39] <khuey> preferences are not "created" per se
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465. # [03:39] <khuey> you just ask preferences for a string, and if it doesn't exist it returns the default value you provided
466. # [03:40] <reuben> dchan: no, it's checked every time ScriptNamespaceManager sees a JavaScript-navigator-property category
467. # [03:40] <reuben> if it doesn't exist, it just continues
468. # [03:40] <reuben> if the pref doesn't exist*
469. # [03:40] <reuben> dchan: note that the pref is .disabled, not .enabled :)
470. # [03:40] <dchan> khuey: sorry, my terminology is likely off
471. # [03:41] <dchan> reuben: so if on a page, I access navigator.mozContacts
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473. # [03:41] <dchan> ScriptNamespaceManager will check dom.navigator-property.disable.mozContacts
474. # [03:42] <dchan> and if that pref is true, I don't get the object back (ContactManager)
475. # [03:42] <reuben> dchan: right
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478. # [03:43] <dchan> reuben: where does dom.mozContacts.enabled in about:config come into this
479. # [03:43] <dchan> is it just an alias to the above .disable pref?
480. # [03:44] <KWierso|sheriffduty> philor: ping?
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482. # [03:44] <philor> KWierso|sheriffduty: personally, I'm hoping to blame bjacob
483. # [03:45] <KWierso|sheriffduty> philor: I was actually going to ask where you think that document.referrer m-bc orange on fx-team was introduced :)
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486. # [03:46] <philor> KWierso|sheriffduty: oh, that lovely thing: did it really happen as close to at-the-same-time across trees as it sort of looks like it might have?
487. # [03:46] <KWierso|sheriffduty> it's happening cross-trees?
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489. # [03:46] <KWierso|sheriffduty> and pre-merge, no less!
490. # [03:46] <reuben> dchan: hm, we should have gotten rid of that pref
491. # [03:46] <philor> no, something else is
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493. # [03:47] <bjacob> philor: what?
494. # [03:47] <dchan> reuben: I'm on an older build
495. # [03:47] <philor> browser_bug817947.js | correct url should be loaded - Got about:blank, expected http://mochi.test:8888/browser/ on m-c and b-i
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497. # [03:47] <KWierso|sheriffduty> philor: no, but the document.referrer orange is on inbound and fx-team
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499. # [03:47] <reuben> dchan: ever since we started using dom.(navigator-property|global-constructor).disable thingie, dom.mozContacts.enabled doesn't actually do anything :)
500. # [03:47] <KWierso|sheriffduty> s/no/oh/
501. # [03:48] <reuben> dchan: it will do things again once WebIDL lands :P
502. # [03:48] <reuben> dchan: sorry about the confusino
503. # [03:48] <dchan> reuben: ah okay, that explains a lot
504. # [03:48] <dchan> I was looking for references to .enabled on mxr
505. # [03:48] <bjacob> philor: KWierso|sheriffduty: no way to blame my patch for the IPDL-related bustage on inbound!
506. # [03:48] * philor sees the start of purple, looks for an exit
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508. # [03:48] <dchan> and only came across things in the .js files
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511. # [03:48] <reuben> philor: what happened to try not scheduling tests? should I just push again?
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513. # [03:49] <philor> reuben: you should, yes; armenzg is sorry he did that to you
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515. # [03:50] <reuben> a-ha, I knew one day he would get his revenge on me for not being a better summit buddy
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518. # [03:51] <KWierso|sheriffduty> bjacob: I think philor wants to blame that b2g red on you?
519. # [03:52] <dchan> reuben: one last question
520. # [03:52] <philor> KWierso|sheriffduty: yeah, but as he knows, it won't stick to him, it's more likely to be the result of us having gone 4 whole hours without clobbering
521. # [03:52] <dchan> so once webidl for mozcontacts lands
522. # [03:52] <dchan> it will be checking navigator-property.disable to see whether to return the object
523. # [03:52] <dchan> and the dom.mozContacts.enabled pref will just cease to exist / do anything
524. # [03:53] <reuben> dchan: other way around
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526. # [03:53] <reuben> dchan: the interface will have [Pref="dom.mozContacts.enabled"]
527. # [03:53] <reuben> and the other prefs will cease to exist
528. # [03:53] <dchan> reuben: mmm okay
529. # [03:53] <dchan> reuben: thanks for all the help
530. # [03:54] <reuben> dchan: btw to answer your other question, if you return null in nsIDOMGlobalPropertyInitializer::Init, the property won't be set. that's what we used to do
531. # [03:54] <reuben> dchan: relevant code here: http://dxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/dom/base/nsDOMClassInfo.cpp#l3236
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533. # [03:55] <bjacob> KWierso|sheriffduty: i would believe in witches, if my patch caused that. There are a few IPDL csets around it that make more reasonable suspects.
534. # [03:55] <reuben> apparently the comment in nsIDOMGlobalPropertyInitializer.idl is not completely correct
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537. # [03:56] <bjacob> philor: KWierso|sheriffduty: this really looks like it: https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/diff/2466893f18a7/gfx/layers/ipc/PCompositor.ipdl
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539. # [03:56] <KWierso|sheriffduty> philor: so out goes dvander?
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543. # [03:58] <philor> KWierso|sheriffduty: 5% chance of bustage, 95% chance of clobber-needed, would be my guess
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552. # [03:59] <KWierso|sheriffduty> did you already clobber/retrigger?
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555. # [04:00] <philor> KWierso|sheriffduty: actually, since the busted ones took 9 minutes, and other ones have been running for 90 minutes, make that 0.5% chance of bustage, and yeah, I clobbered everything since it had been 4 hours
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557. # [04:00] <dvander> KWierso, philor sounds like py/pyc files weren't in sync or something. probably clobber would fix it
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559. # [04:00] <dvander> i was optimistic in hoping one wasnt needed
560. # [04:01] <KWierso> dvander: that'll teach you
561. # [04:01] <dvander> :)
562. # [04:02] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/d71579c316c1 - Mark Finkle - Backout 41701d2c0341 (bug 875731), Caused a regression that breaks all downloads in Firefox for Android (bug 921944)
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581. # [04:19] <philor> kats: a touch of orange
582. # [04:20] <reuben> dvander: you forgot to update the comment
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584. # [04:20] <reuben> https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/diff/2466893f18a7/gfx/layers/ipc/PCompositor.ipdl#l1.10
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588. # [04:23] <dchan> reuben: thanks for all the help
589. # [04:23] <dchan> going to head out
590. # [04:23] <reuben> dchan: np. g'night!
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592. # [04:23] <sicking> bz_dinner: still eating?
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597. # [04:28] <bz_dinner> sicking: what's up?
598. # [04:28] * bz_dinner is now known as bz
599. # [04:28] <sicking> bz: i didn't get the part about nsIURIs that can't be used to create an nsIChannel?
600. # [04:29] <bz> sicking: Well, look
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602. # [04:29] <bz> sicking: If you have a malformed URI, you have 4 options for what to do with it
603. # [04:29] <bz> 1) Refuse to create nsIURI.
604. # [04:29] <bz> 2) Refuse to create nsIChannel.
605. # [04:29] <bz> 3) Refuse to asyncOpen nsIChannel.
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607. # [04:29] <bz> 4) Succeed all of the above and immediately report OnStart/StopRequest with error code.
608. # [04:29] <bz> sicking: agreed?
609. # [04:30] <bz> sicking: (without more wide-ranging changes to necko)
610. # [04:30] <sicking> bz: ah, ok, i think i'm following you more now
611. # [04:30] <sicking> bz: agreed
612. # [04:30] <sicking> bz: can you give an example of the type of URI you're talking about?
613. # [04:30] <bz> sicking: Right now we have some cases that trigger 1, some that trigger 2, we generally consider 3 to be a bug
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615. # [04:30] <bz> sicking: data:foopy
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618. # [04:31] <bz> sicking: http://hey there, kiddo/
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620. # [04:31] <bz> sicking: ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/%00Iamtryingtoexploityou
621. # [04:31] <sicking> bz: generally speaking, i think 1 or 4 is preferrable. But there might be exceptions
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623. # [04:32] <bz> sicking: I think I generally agree
624. # [04:32] <sicking> bz: and i'd think 4 is preferable over 1, to keep things simple
625. # [04:32] <bz> sicking: ok.
626. # [04:32] <bz> sicking: so then we need to fix all the people relying on 1 to tell them something about the URI
627. # [04:32] <bz> sicking: and fix the people relying on per-scheme canonicalization or something
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629. # [04:33] <bz> sicking: or teach our parser about all the schemes that have such (chrome:// is my primary worry here)
630. # [04:33] <sicking> bz: so let me step back a little bit. What do *you* think we should do wrt protocol handlers and URIs?
631. # [04:33] <bz> heh
632. # [04:33] <bz> "cry"? ;)
633. # [04:33] <sicking> well.. that's obvious.. i guess the question is what to do after that :)
634. # [04:33] <bz> Realistically, I believe we have only one option
635. # [04:34] <bz> With several implementation strategies
636. # [04:34] <bz> which is to keep some amount of scheme-specific url parsing/canonicalization
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638. # [04:34] <bz> Note that the URL spec requires this anyway.
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640. # [04:34] <bz> Now how we implement that...
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642. # [04:34] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/613810e31754 - Nicholas Nethercote - Bug 921954 - Clean up type inference memory reporting. r=bhackett.
643. # [04:34] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/bfcf75eac943 - Nicholas Nethercote - Bug 921923 (part 2) - Make multi-output sizeOfFoo() functions more consistent in js/src/. r=till.
644. # [04:34] <bz> we could have one monolithic parser with a bunch of special-casing
645. # [04:34] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/d1e2767da13f - Nicholas Nethercote - Bug 921923 (part 3) - Make multi-output sizeOfFoo() functions more consistent in content/, dom/ and layout/. r=till.
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648. # [04:34] <bz> which is the style of the URL spec, basically.
649. # [04:34] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/71c3fc082038 - Nicholas Nethercote - Bug 921923 (part 1) - Reorder StatsZoneCallback and StatsCompartmentCallback. r=till.
650. # [04:34] <sicking> bz: do that scheme-specific stuff extend to addon-added schemes?
651. # [04:35] <kats> philor: oops. i think i can fix it in-place. should i go ahead?
652. # [04:35] <bz> We could have some sort of pluggable architecture...
653. # [04:35] <sicking> bz: what do you recommend?
654. # [04:35] <philor> kats: why not?
655. # [04:35] <bz> sicking: It needs to to some extent
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657. # [04:35] <bz> sicking: at the very least we need to know whether the scheme is hierarchical
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659. # [04:35] <sicking> bz: i.e. if the scheme is a URL?
660. # [04:35] <bz> sicking: They're all "URL"
661. # [04:36] <bz> sicking: in terms of spec terminology
662. # [04:36] <sicking> bz: i mean nsIURL vs nsIURI
663. # [04:36] <bz> sicking: nsIURL for Gecko purposes, yes
664. # [04:36] <bz> So I guess the simplest way forward is this
665. # [04:36] <bz> 1) Remove nsIProtocolHandler::NewURI
666. # [04:36] <bz> 2) Have a way to register some declarative scheme-specific metadata with the url parser stuff
667. # [04:37] <bz> For a start at least a boolean for hierarchical vs not
668. # [04:37] <bz> And perhaps for the hierarchical case which of the 4 cases of that we're in?
669. # [04:37] <bz> That seems like a bare minimum.
670. # [04:37] <sicking> bz: i'm slightly worried if we have to keep other, pluggable, metadata on the nsIURI, that would mean having to proxy to the main thread a lot
671. # [04:38] <bz> well
672. # [04:38] <bz> Why would we need to proxy?
673. # [04:38] <sicking> we can't call addons off the main thread, no?
674. # [04:38] <bz> Sure
675. # [04:38] <sicking> and i'd like to be able to parse nsIURIs off the main thread
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677. # [04:38] <bz> The metadata would have to be something we get from the addon once
678. # [04:38] <bz> and then store
679. # [04:38] <bz> and then access that store.
680. # [04:39] <sicking> sure, as long as it's not nsIURI specific metadata
681. # [04:39] <bz> Ah, yes
682. # [04:39] <bz> Right
683. # [04:39] <sicking> ok, cool
684. # [04:39] <bz> Just scheme-speciifc.
685. # [04:39] <bz> So once we do that.....
686. # [04:39] <bz> I don't know what to do with chrome://. :(
687. # [04:39] <sicking> we can keep custom parsers for any schemes that we know about
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689. # [04:39] <sicking> i'm totally fine with that
690. # [04:39] <sicking> as long as those parsers can run off the main thread
691. # [04:40] <bz> Yes
692. # [04:40] <bz> That's why I don't know what to do with chrome:// ;)
693. # [04:40] <bz> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/chrome/src/nsChromeRegistry.cpp#192
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696. # [04:40] <sicking> hrm.. i guess chrome need to look up in the chrome registry..
697. # [04:40] <bz> Is probably so not thread safe...
698. # [04:40] <bz> right.
699. # [04:40] <sicking> crappies, do we really need to create the inner nsIURI right away?
700. # [04:40] <sicking> rather than only once we start loading?
701. # [04:41] <bz> I don't think we get the inner URI here
702. # [04:41] <bz> Hmm
703. # [04:41] <bz> Maybe GetProviderAndPath doesn't really need anything from the chrome registry per se
704. # [04:41] <bz> As in, we could move this function....
705. # [04:42] <bz> So anyway, we need to be able to register something scheme-specific for schemes we control.
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707. # [04:42] <bz> parsing-wise
708. # [04:42] <bz> C++-only...
709. # [04:42] <sicking> we can just hardcode it in the parser for all i care
710. # [04:42] <bz> That would get .... pretty unwieldy
711. # [04:42] <bz> I suspect.
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713. # [04:43] <kats> philor: done, thanks
714. # [04:43] <sicking> we can have the separate scheme parsers in separate files still
715. # [04:43] <bz> Ah, I see
716. # [04:43] <bz> YEs
717. # [04:43] <bz> er, yes
718. # [04:43] <bz> That's fine.
719. # [04:43] <bz> I mean, we don't want the url spec approach, imo
720. # [04:43] <bz> where there are random checks for "file" all over.
721. # [04:44] <bz> On the other hand, then proving we match the spec ...
722. # [04:44] <sicking> just with hardcoded "already_AddRefed<nsIURI> parseChromeURI(nsString&)" functions
723. # [04:44] <sicking> bz: ouch, yeah, that sounds scary
724. # [04:45] <sicking> bz: we can ask annevk to rewrite the spec :)
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726. # [04:46] <sicking> bz: having separate spec sections for the various schemes sounds more sane anyway...
727. # [04:46] <sicking> bz: also, matching the spec for file:// doesn't seem urgent
728. # [04:47] <bz> sicking: fair
729. # [04:47] <annevk> there's 7 special cases for scheme being "file"
730. # [04:48] <sicking> bz: want me to file a bug on this? Or do you want to so that the details get right
731. # [04:48] <annevk> there's a lot more logic overall than that which would have to be duplicated
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734. # [04:49] <sicking> annevk: code sharing is better done using functions, rather than interleaving all parsers most likely
735. # [04:49] <bz> sicking: I don't have time to deal with filing this stuff. :(
736. # [04:49] * bz is totally swamped with reviews
737. # [04:49] <sicking> bz: i'll do it
738. # [04:49] <bz> Thanks.
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740. # [04:50] <annevk> sicking: it depends I guess on whether you think we should fundamentally depart from the core URL spec by the IETF or not... I was hoping not
741. # [04:50] <annevk> WebKit/Blink architecture also suggests not
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743. # [04:51] <sicking> annevk: doing a full rewrite that changes architecture and behavior in one is probably not what we want to do. That will be hard to get to stick
744. # [04:51] <sicking> depends on how closely we match the spec though
745. # [04:51] <sicking> if we're pretty close already, then changing the behavior first, and architecture after might be an option
746. # [04:51] <annevk> well, I still think Gecko will have to unless we want to convince the rest of the world of our crappier approach...
747. # [04:52] <sicking> i'm not asking that the specced behavior is changed. But we might need to get there in steps rather than all-at-once
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749. # [04:52] <annevk> aight
750. # [04:53] <bz> So what makes our approach "crappier"?
751. # [04:53] <annevk> sicking: btw, you're still interested in zip URLs right?
752. # [04:53] <sicking> annevk: i am, i just don't have the time. Navcontroller and streams are higher priority and I'm barely getting to them :(
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754. # [04:53] <annevk> bz: the data model and parsing behavior depends on the scheme, meaning they're not really universal
755. # [04:54] <sicking> annevk: i wish i did have time to do zip URLs though
756. # [04:54] <annevk> sicking: no need for time, I'm working on them slowly still
757. # [04:54] <sicking> annevk: cool!
758. # [04:54] <sicking> annevk: what's the latest proposal?
759. # [04:55] <annevk> sicking: something like $sub= as separator for a sub-path, that works across all URLs (doesn't really work in Gecko... because our per-scheme approach)
760. # [04:55] <annevk> sicking: discussing it with the TAG tomorrow
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763. # [04:55] <sicking> annevk: so something like http://domain.com/foo/bar.zip$sub=file.html ?
764. # [04:56] <annevk> sicking: also discussing the jar alternative and fragment plus scheme for nested stuff though, just to make sure we cover all bases
765. # [04:56] <annevk> sicking: yeah
766. # [04:56] <sicking> annevk: cool
767. # [04:56] <annevk> sicking: and sub rather than zip so it's at least somewhat generic
768. # [04:56] <bz> annevk: OK, but in practice it turns out that's needed
769. # [04:57] <bz> annevk: I mean, you can do generic parsing and the parse it _again_ in scheme-specific fetch code
770. # [04:57] <bz> annevk: or you can do scheme-specific parsing up front
771. # [04:57] <bz> annevk: which one is better depends on what guarantees you want your URI objects to provide you...
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775. # [04:59] <annevk> that is fair, I'm open to moving scheme-specific processing into the URL layer; I decided not to when I wrote the spec because it seemed only Gecko was doing that
776. # [05:00] <bz> It really depends on what you plan to do with your "URL" objects
777. # [05:00] <annevk> it's observable in certain ways, e.g. data:text/html is a URL in WebKit but is failure in Gecko
778. # [05:00] <bz> yep
779. # [05:00] <bz> It's observable in all sorts of ways
780. # [05:00] <bz> fewer than it used to be, but still quite many
781. # [05:00] <annevk> that's mainly why I thought it was bad
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783. # [05:01] <annevk> it seems whether something is a URL or not is quite fundamental and shouldn't depend on scheme-specific details
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785. # [05:01] <annevk> (although for certain schemes we had to grandfather that in, whether more should make the cut, ...)
786. # [05:01] <bz> annevk: See, that's the thing
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788. # [05:02] <bz> annevk: "whether something is a URL" and "whether something is a usable URL" are different questions.
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792. # [05:03] <sicking> bz: so with this proposed approach, do you think that we could make a number of the special-parsing-checks cases that you enumerated be handled through error-method-4?
793. # [05:03] <annevk> agreed, I wish more people would give input
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797. # [05:04] <annevk> I'm bad at getting feedback on the architecture layers, you'd think a ton of people would be researching this shit
798. # [05:04] <bz> sicking: In theory, all error handling can be via 4
799. # [05:05] <bz> sicking: the only question is what consumers it would break. ;)
800. # [05:05] <sicking> bz: that's what i was asking
801. # [05:05] <bz> sicking: I have no idea
802. # [05:05] <sicking> bz: cut me some slack, i don't ask the useless questions :)
803. # [05:05] <bz> sicking: I expect it will break some stuff, but I can't tell how much
804. # [05:05] <sicking> ok
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807. # [05:05] <bz> sicking: for about: I'm 99% sure someone is using newURI to determine whether a string is a valid about: module
808. # [05:06] <bz> sicking: for other things, less certain that there are issues
809. # [05:06] <sicking> bz: aww man, about: is another world of pain since that has a whole extension system of its own...
810. # [05:07] <annevk> people are extending about:? oh god
811. # [05:07] <bz> sicking: mmmhhhh
812. # [05:07] <bz> annevk: totally
813. # [05:07] <bz> annevk: extensions can just drop in about: modules
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815. # [05:07] <bz> annevk: Firefox has a bunch that are not part of core Gecko
816. # [05:07] <annevk> I guess that's not too bad, depending on how they're registered
817. # [05:07] <sicking> fennec and desktop have different ones
818. # [05:08] <bz> annevk: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/netwerk/protocol/about/nsIAboutModule.idl
819. # [05:08] <bz> Just a mapping from module name to an instance of that interface
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822. # [05:09] <annevk> I'll see tomorrow if I can find some more people interested in URL questions
823. # [05:10] <sicking> annevk: awesome, thanks
824. # [05:10] <bz> heh
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837. # [05:30] <Callek> SeaMonkey even ships with about:life ;-)
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840. # [05:30] * Callek tries not to miss relevant moments to remind people SeaMonkey exists
841. # [05:31] <Unfocused> who?
842. # [05:31] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/111be6d857e1 - Daniel Holbert - Bug 922410: Consolidate loops in MainAxisPositionTracker constructor. r=mats
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847. # [05:37] <mbrubeck> Life! Don't talk to me about:life...
848. # [05:38] <nigelb> I'm disappointed that whimsy doesn't have about:life returning a big 42.
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854. # [05:46] <Callek> nigelb: dare I ask if you just downloaded SeaMonkey just to see what about:life was?
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856. # [05:47] <nigelb> Callek: I didn't, but I will.
857. # [05:47] <nigelb> I'm just a little busy with packing etc at the moment.
858. # [05:47] <aja> don't forget your towel
859. # [05:47] <Callek> aja: actually every hotel I've been at has extra towels galore
860. # [05:48] <Unfocused> Callek--
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862. # [05:48] <Callek> Unfocused: y lower karma?
863. # [05:48] <aja> my towel is _from_ a hotel
864. # [05:49] <Unfocused> y u no acknowledge HGTTG reference?
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867. # [05:51] <Callek> Unfocused: about:life in SeaMonkey *is* 42 using CSS-animations
868. # [05:52] <Callek> Unfocused: and in fact I had a major hand in helping to think-tank design it
869. # [05:52] <Callek> :-)
870. # [05:52] <Unfocused> i meant the towel thing
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873. # [05:52] <Callek> Unfocused: oooo bah
874. # [05:52] <Callek> totally forgot the towel thing was a HGTTG ref
875. # [05:52] <Callek> didn't even cross my mind
876. # [05:52] <Unfocused> :)
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931. # [06:47] <markh> does anyone know where the "conditions" we can use in test manifests are defined? I can see examples like "skip-if = os == mac" but I can't see the full list of conditions (which might help tell me where I can add a new one)
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933. # [06:47] <markh> gps: ^ (incase you are here...)
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935. # [06:50] <mbrubeck> markh: It depends on which test suite you're talking about...
936. # [06:50] <mbrubeck> https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Mozilla_automated_testing has links to the documentation for each type of test.
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939. # [06:51] <markh> mbrubeck: I'm talking about browser-chrome tests and saw the recent message from gps about the conversion to manifest for some tests
940. # [06:52] <mbrubeck> Based on your example, it looks like it's using xpcshell manifest syntax: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Writing_xpcshell-based_unit_tests#Adding_conditions_to_a_test
941. # [06:52] <markh> mbrubeck: what I'm ultimately after is a way to skips if e10s is enabled (which is currently behind a pref)
942. # [06:53] <markh> mbrubeck: that tells me about the skip-if, but not what conditions I can use
943. # [06:53] <mbrubeck> https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/XPCshell_Test_Manifest_Expressions
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945. # [06:53] <markh> mbrubeck: ah, thanks!
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947. # [06:54] * markh tries to work out how feasible it would be to add a "pref" variable...
948. # [06:54] <mbrubeck> markh: For a pref, you could also just have the test do a todo() and exit based on the pref value at runtime
949. # [06:54] <markh> good fodder for quiet times at the summit :)
950. # [06:54] * mbrubeck updates the link to mozinfo.py on that page
951. # [06:55] <markh> mbrubeck: yeah, that's what I've been doing until now, but there are about 80 test files that would need to be touched in the first pass, so only annotating the manifest sounds quite appealing
952. # [06:57] <mbrubeck> If it's something known at build time (a configure option) then it shouldn't be too hard
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954. # [06:57] <markh> yeah, I think I might end up with that - the configure option would just set the default for the "enable remote browsers" pref, but could then be used in this context too
955. # [06:58] <markh> OTOH though, I think there is a cmd-line option the test runner takes which can set a pref...
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957. # [06:58] <markh> so I wonder if I could hook into that somehow - ie, a flag to saw "was this pref overwritten on the cmdline" or something
958. # [06:58] <markh> *say
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960. # [07:00] <mbrubeck> yeah, that sounds like a nice idea
961. # [07:01] <mbrubeck> fixed the MXR links on https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/XPCshell_Test_Manifest_Expressions
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1016. # [08:09] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/eedf61cab3fa - Ben Turner - Bug 643325 - Implement SharedWorker. r=khuey.
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1018. # [08:13] <khuey> bent: \0/
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1020. # [08:13] <janv> wow
1021. # [08:13] <jesup> glandium: ping
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1024. # [08:14] <glandium> jesup: pong
1025. # [08:14] <jesup> glandium: so the shared_libs.mk thing
1026. # [08:14] <glandium> jesup: i think i have a working patch
1027. # [08:14] <glandium> jesup: https://hg.mozilla.org/try/rev/561baca68fab
1028. # [08:14] * jesup looks
1029. # [08:14] <khuey> janv: now I get to rebase all my shit over it :-(
1030. # [08:15] <janv> heh
1031. # [08:15] <janv> me too
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1033. # [08:15] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> good morning
1034. # [08:15] <glandium> Tomcat|sheriffduty: afternoon
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1039. # [08:20] <jesup> glandium: I'll note that the plan was/is for media/webrtc/trunk to move to gkmedia for real; though when it does so we'd have to expose all entrypoints actually used by media/webrtc/signaling to access it (those that aren't WEBRTC_EXPORT at least). Perhaps the changes to how/what we PGO/link on windows has changed that for good.
1040. # [08:21] <glandium> jesup: well, maybe the plan is that, but that doesn't build anyways, so we might as well remove that option until it's necessary
1041. # [08:21] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> so inbound looks much better :)
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1043. # [08:22] <glandium> jesup: that being said, since webrtc is now effectively in xul.dll, i'm wondering if gkmedia does much good to pgo memory usage. And as such, i pushed to try to see how merging it back into xul.dll goes wrt memory
1044. # [08:23] <gps> Tomcat|sheriffduty: backscroll indicates issues with mochitest failures. I just woke up. you know the state?
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1046. # [08:24] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> checking
1047. # [08:24] <jesup> glandium: yeah, perhaps. I tried merging it back a while ago (winter/spring?) ehsan worked to get a lot of random junk out into gkmedia, but that was when PGO was the default
1048. # [08:24] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> gps: also just woke up :) so same
1049. # [08:25] <gps> I don't see any update in bug 920223. I guess I'll go through my bugmail :/
1050. # [08:25] <glandium> jesup: yeah, and memory use during link went seriously down with the include reduction work
1051. # [08:25] <glandium> jesup: so all in all, maybe we're fine, now ; ehsan is also trying to merge js back in xul too
1052. # [08:25] <jesup> glandium: we can always retrieve this code from hg in the future (if we remember it's there!) modulo that it will bitrot faster
1053. # [08:26] <glandium> jesup: it's already bitrotten
1054. # [08:26] <glandium> (if you're talking about the webrtc in gkmedia thing)
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1058. # [08:28] <glandium> is it me or build.mozilla.org has no dns entry?
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1061. # [08:29] <Callek> glandium: expected
1062. # [08:29] <Callek> glandium: what are you trying to access
1063. # [08:29] <glandium> Callek: http://build.mozilla.org/trychooser
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1065. # [08:30] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> gps: looks ok to me
1066. # [08:30] <Callek> glandium: now at http://trychooser.pub.build.mozilla.org/
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1068. # [08:30] <Callek> (build.m.o/* itself has been deprecated for a long while now)
1069. # [08:30] <glandium> Callek: a 301 would have been useful
1070. # [08:31] <Callek> glandium: we had 301's for a while iirc on everything build.m.o hosted, before we turned it off and disabled teh DNS
1071. # [08:31] <glandium> Callek: so the awesomebar is not awesome
1072. # [08:31] <Callek> yea :(
1073. # [08:31] <Callek> I have had that problem for things like slavealloc/etc as well
1074. # [08:31] <glandium> are you aware of a bug about that?
1075. # [08:31] <Callek> where the awesomebar happily reuses old URLs despite having seen a 301 from old-address
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1077. # [08:32] <Callek> sadly no, but when I had mentioned it before I was told that was expected and intentional behavior, I admit said answer didn't come from a current toolkit peer though
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1080. # [08:35] <glandium> seriously, what's the point of keeping an entry high in the awesomebar if we know it's permanently redirected or gone?
1081. # [08:36] <glandium> and worse, apparently, the new url wasn't even listed
1082. # [08:36] <glandium> now i've gone there, i don't know
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1084. # [08:37] <Callek> glandium: I agree with you, fwiw :-)
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1086. # [08:38] <Callek> I was told it related to *directly* choosing to go to a url (i.e. typing it in) vs. links-to-it
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1089. # [08:39] <Callek> such that the history itself has the records of the url as you type it in, which varies and the history doesn't change, but the new-url doesn't get more frecency to the typing until its used multiple times
1090. # [08:39] <Callek> glandium: but yea, I was given a lengthy reason why its expected/intentional, to which I didn't have the time to argue against.... happy to be CC'ed on a bug to change it and let you push forward on it though
1091. # [08:40] <Callek> (it's a pet peeve of mine)
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1093. # [08:40] <glandium> Callek: fix it in seamonkey ;)
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1095. # [08:41] <Callek> glandium: haha, I haven't written a single product code-line in over a year for SeaMonkey
1096. # [08:42] <Callek> also changing how toolkit-functions work (we reuse toolkit as much as possible in SeaMonkey) is not as easy for us to do seperately :-)
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1145. # [09:28] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/0d9f5e4bd5b8 - Gregory Szorc - NO BUG - Document mozinfo attributes, test manifest naming convention
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1179. # [09:56] <gps> ipdls are broken on inbound for me:
1180. # [09:56] <gps> /Users/gps/src/firefox/gfx/layers/ipc/PImageBridge.ipdl:26: error: bad syntax near `intr
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1183. # [09:57] <gps> hmm. the file changed recently but inbound has built since then
1184. # [09:57] <gps> trying a clobber
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1215. # [10:26] <glandium> was that a framework thing?
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1242. # [10:42] <edmorley> Tomcat|sheriffduty: good morning! :-)
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1281. # [11:20] <Gijs> edmorley / Tomcat|sheriffduty: is either of you merging fx-team to m-c in the next, say, hour or so?
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1290. # [11:22] <edmorley> Gijs: any particular reason? :-)
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1292. # [11:22] <Gijs> edmorley: I landed a download button refactor, and I'd like to merge it to UX myself when it hits mc :)
1293. # [11:23] <edmorley> ah
1294. # [11:23] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/4ba56e6b84ca - ffxbld - Added FENNEC_25_0b4_RELEASE FENNEC_25_0b4_BUILD1 tag(s) for changeset 9449c5e774e0. DONTBUILD CLOSED TREE a=release
1295. # [11:23] <edmorley> Gijs: merging now
1296. # [11:23] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/9449c5e774e0 - ffxbld - Automated checkin: version bump for fennec 25.0b4 release. DONTBUILD CLOSED TREE a=release
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1298. # [11:23] <Gijs> edmorley: and, I'll be unavailable from about 1h30 from now :)
1299. # [11:23] <Gijs> edmorley: awesome, thanks!
1300. # [11:23] <Gijs> also, sorry if that came across pushy... that wasn't my intent :)
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1302. # [11:24] <edmorley> Gijs: not at all :-)
1303. # [11:24] <Gijs> (I know for sure it'll conflict when merging to UX, so yeah... :( )
1304. # [11:25] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> yeah its fine
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1306. # [11:25] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> edmorley: for inbound i think 111be6d857e1 is a good changeset
1307. # [11:26] <edmorley> Tomcat|sheriffduty: yup agree, was going to pick it :-)
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1309. # [11:27] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> :)
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1313. # [11:31] <Gijs> "8 files unresolved" :(
1314. # [11:31] <Gijs> ah well, 't is my own fault
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1317. # [11:32] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> let us know when we can help Gijs
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1319. # [11:33] <Gijs> Tomcat|sheriffduty: nah, it's fine, it's just a bunch of files with changes on UX that I changed on m-c... the changes are pretty straightforward, but merge tools don't understand :)
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1355. # [12:02] <RattyAway> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/3175958
1356. # [12:02] <RattyAway> "error C2664: 'mozilla::dom::FileReaderSyncBinding_workers::Wrap' : cannot convert parameter 4 from 'mozilla::dom::workers::FileReaderSync *' to 'nsWrapperCache *'"
1357. # [12:02] <RattyAway> I'm getting this build failure.
1358. # [12:02] <RattyAway> any clues on how to get my build working again?
1359. # [12:03] <mcsmurf> RattyAway: did you try to turn it off and on again?
1360. # [12:04] <mcsmurf> ok, seriously :) clobber build?
1361. # [12:04] <RattyAway> mcsmurf: that only applies to Congress
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1363. # [12:04] <mcsmurf> hehe :)
1364. # [12:04] <RattyAway> although CLOBBERing some congress critters is a rather tempting idea
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1383. # [12:22] <NeilAway> glazou: bah, have you seen q.b.o quote 7099
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1391. # [12:31] <Yoric> till: ping
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1393. # [12:31] <till> Yoric: hey
1394. # [12:31] <Yoric> till: Hi.
1395. # [12:31] <Yoric> Regarding bug 888658.
1396. # [12:32] <Yoric> As you may have seen, it doesn't seem to build under Windows.
1397. # [12:32] <till> Yoric: yes, I saw
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1399. # [12:33] <till> I ordered a Win8 and a VMWare Fusion license and started to create a setup for testing windows build stuf
1400. # [12:33] <Yoric> I haven't planned to fix this myself, but if you don't have time to work on this, I might be able to squeeze that somewhere in my schedule.
1401. # [12:33] <till> *stuff
1402. # [12:33] <Yoric> Ah, cool.
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1405. # [12:33] <till> be forewarned, though: I won't work on this until next week.
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1409. # [12:40] <Yoric> till: I didn't expect you to.
1410. # [12:40] <Yoric> till: Where will you be, btw.
1411. # [12:40] <Yoric> ?
1412. # [12:40] <till> Yoric: I'll be in Brussels, and we should meet up
1413. # [12:40] <Yoric> Yeah, that would be good.
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1415. # [12:41] <till> Yoric: Although, I'll be in the Paris office for the three weeks after the Summit, too
1416. # [12:42] <glazou> NeilAway: no I hqve not; URL ?
1417. # [12:42] <glazou> have
1418. # [12:43] <NeilAway> glazou: http://quotes.burntelectrons.org/7099
1419. # [12:44] <glazou> eheh
1420. # [12:44] <NeilAway> glazou: those copycats!
1421. # [12:44] <Yoric> till: That sounds like a good time to meet, too :)
1422. # [12:46] <till> Yoric: I think we'll be able to work something out :)
1423. # [12:48] <Yoric> bsmedberg: I believe that we should port AsyncShutdown to a native xpcom component, so as to be able to use it e.g. with mozStorage, does that sound ok to you?
1424. # [12:49] <@ted> glandium: i don't know, i think that was b smedberg
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1452. # [13:28] <firebot> Check-in:
1453. # [13:28] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/1d6b119b7281 - Jeff Walden - Bug 919872 - Compute the internal properties of Collator, NumberFormat, and DateTimeFormat objects only when they're actually needed -- not when the objects are
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1455. # [13:28] <firebot> constructed. r=till
1456. # [13:28] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/caa83f3d823e - Jeff Walden - Bug 921561 - Make JS_DECLARE_NEW_METHODS use C++11 "perfect" forwarding (which isn't, because it won't let you pass an expression that's a bit field #nowyouknow), to
1457. # [13:29] <firebot> eliminate issues arising when non-const references are used in these methods with classes that don't copy nicely, or shouldn't be copied for perf reasons. r=luke
1458. # [13:29] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/e8764878be44 - Jeff Walden - Bug 921631 - Restrict the JS_PSG/JS_PSGS flags to not contain JSPROP_READONLY (meaningless for accessors) or JSPROP_SHARED or JSPROP_NATIVE_ACCESSORS (implied by the
1459. # [13:29] <firebot> macros already). r=jorendorff
1460. # [13:29] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/0a76209b85d2 - Jeff Walden - Bug 921548 - Remove js_ValueToObjectOrNull -- people should use ToObject or explicit null/undefined tests, for readability. r=jorendorff
1461. # [13:29] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/28eab6ee7425 - Jeff Walden - Bug 921548 - Remove js_ValueToNonNullObject, which was entirely equivalent to ToObject. r=jorendorff
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1465. # [13:39] <glazou> mounir: wow
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1467. # [13:40] <glazou> good luck for the future
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1480. # [13:54] <till> Yoric: ping
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1497. # [14:09] <@mounir> glazou: cheers
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1512. # [14:24] <Yoric> till: pong
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1523. # [14:33] <Waldo> backing out the offending patch to clear bustage, btw
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1534. # [14:38] <till> Yoric: I saw your post about async operations
1535. # [14:38] <Yoric> Yes?
1536. # [14:39] <till> Yoric: in Shumway, we have a requirement for the opposite: doing something synchronously, but still running off the main thread
1537. # [14:39] <Yoric> As far as we are concerned, that's a form of async.
1538. # [14:39] <Yoric> It's async as far as the main thread is concerned, that is.
1539. # [14:39] <till> I briefly talked about this with bsmedberg, and he said that we should be able to get a synchronous channel between a worker and the main thread going
1540. # [14:40] <till> yes, but it needs to be able to block the main thread
1541. # [14:40] <Yoric> Mmmh... Then maybe I don't understand what you need.
1542. # [14:40] <Yoric> What exactly do you need that for?
1543. # [14:40] <Yoric> As you know, we generally, don't like blocking the main thread :)
1544. # [14:40] <till> yes :)
1545. # [14:41] <till> very briefly, most of Shumway can just run in a worker thread, with the rendering being done in a canvas-containing iframe, which only has a very small rendering api
1546. # [14:41] <froydnj> decoder: trying to make a point with # of dependent bugs? :)
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1548. # [14:41] <till> however, Flash contains a construct called ExternalInterface
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1550. # [14:41] <till> which enables synchronous communication with the surrounding JS
1551. # [14:41] <till> in both directions
1552. # [14:41] <till> also, rendered elements can be drawn into bitmaps, synchronously
1553. # [14:42] <till> both are very important parts of the platform, so we have to support them
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1557. # [14:42] <till> which is why we either have to run everything on the main thread, always, or get a way to block on responses from the main thread
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1559. # [14:43] <till> without taking promises or anything: we have to keep our stack intact
1560. # [14:43] <Yoric> You need to be able to block both the main thread and the worker thread, depending on the call, is that it?
1561. # [14:43] <till> yes
1562. # [14:43] <till> right, JS can also call into Shumway and get results back synchronously, so we do need both directions
1563. # [14:44] <Yoric> As much as we loathe that, I don't see any other solution than spinning the event loop.
1564. # [14:44] <till> yeo
1565. # [14:44] <Yoric> Which is easy to do on the main thread and not possible yet on worker threads.
1566. # [14:44] <till> er, yep
1567. # [14:44] <Waldo> edmorley|sheriffduty: do I have permission to land the relevant backouts with the tree closed for a different reason, when I have them ready?
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1569. # [14:44] <Yoric> till: So what exactly do you need?
1570. # [14:45] <till> Yoric: so, bsmedberg said that getting that in shouldn't be too hard
1571. # [14:45] <edmorley|sheriffduty> Waldo: yeah go for it :-)
1572. # [14:45] <Yoric> On worker threads?
1573. # [14:45] <Waldo> coolio
1574. # [14:45] <till> yes, iiuc
1575. # [14:45] <decoder> froydnj: lol. no im just filing all of the non-layout issues ive found
1576. # [14:45] <decoder> i excluded layout
1577. # [14:45] <Yoric> till: I suspect that shouldn't be too hard. Can you file a bug?
1578. # [14:45] <Yoric> In Async Tooling.
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1581. # [14:46] <decoder> froydnj: mats pointed out that the non-layout results I posted might indeed be real bugs.. thats why im filing those now
1582. # [14:46] <till> I just wanted to tell you about it, because I imagine that there might be situations where you can *almost* do everything async for some task, but there might be exceptional circumstances in which you have to block. Or something. So this might or might not be useful for more than Shumway.
1583. # [14:46] <Yoric> till: Good point.
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1585. # [14:47] <till> bsmedberg wanted to post to dev-platform first. I'll ping him about that later
1586. # [14:47] <Yoric> ok
1587. # [14:47] <Waldo> okay, my bustage should be fixed now
1588. # [14:47] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/eeff752012bd - Jeff Walden - Back out e8764878be44, b2g/gcc4.4 bustage. r=orange
1589. # [14:47] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/868f37d83a73 - Jeff Walden - Back out 0a76209b85d2, error message changes I don't have time to fix right now. r=orange
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1591. # [14:47] <Yoric> till: I believe that I can see how this can be implemented for workers. For the main thread, well, everything you need is already available.
1592. # [14:47] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/225dc58d80c3 - Jeff Walden - Back out 28eab6ee7425, error message changes I don't have time to fix right now. r=orange in a CLOSED TREE
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1594. # [14:48] <till> Yoric: that's good to know. It's also far less important for us than the other direction, however :)
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1596. # [14:48] <Yoric> (I may be wrong, of course)
1597. # [14:48] * Waldo stars the first few failures appropriately to seed things
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1624. # [15:10] <Waldo> blagh
1625. # [15:11] <Waldo> and the rest starred
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1627. # [15:11] <Waldo> and now I'm down to one patch in barely-built code
1628. # [15:11] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/d26e3ed73e41 - Jeff Walden - Back out caa83f3d823e, Windows bustage. r=bustage in a CLOSED TREE
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1647. # [15:24] <bhearsum|buildduty> any folks on mac get an update yet today?
1648. # [15:24] <bhearsum|buildduty> mac nightly, that is
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1651. # [15:25] <gfritzsche> bhearsum|buildduty: yes, 2013-10-01 here
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1653. # [15:26] <bhearsum|buildduty> gfritzsche: great, thanks!
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1656. # [15:27] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/133d0dee12ee - Andrew McCreight - Bug 920840 - Crash when JS-implemented WebIDL's init method returns a value other than undefined. r=bz
1657. # [15:28] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/6682ed134766 - Andy Wingo - Bug 922028 - Only intern iterator result object shapes in compileAndGo mode. r=jorendorff
1658. # [15:28] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/09cca9f32103 - Patrick Brosset - Bug 848731 - Deleting nodes or container frames now resets the markup, highlighter, css views accordingly. r=paul
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1673. # [15:36] <@bsmedberg> till: gah I forgot, I'll do that now
1674. # [15:37] <till> bsmedberg: no worries, would've reminded you today :) (or, did, I guess)
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1693. # [15:51] <froydnj> mccr8++
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1698. # [15:55] <nrc> evilpie: ping
1699. # [15:55] <evilpie> nrc: pong
1700. # [15:56] <nrc> evilpie: good morning! Do you mind if I borrow your desk in TO for a few days?
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1702. # [15:56] <Ms2ger> evilpie still has a desk in TO?
1703. # [15:56] <evilpie> I think somebody else wanted it
1704. # [15:56] <nrc> There is a desk with his name on it, at least
1705. # [15:56] <evilpie> well i left
1706. # [15:57] <nrc> ah
1707. # [15:57] <evilpie> Mina wanted to move there from his desk
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1710. # [15:57] <kats> nrc: some desks that are available are listed at https://etherpad.mozilla.org/deskavailability
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1713. # [15:58] <Archae|mobile> whats so special about it? corner office with fantastic view?
1714. # [15:58] <nrc> kats: damn, that's organised, thanks
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1716. # [15:59] <kats> we got tired of daily emails to toronto-all
1717. # [15:59] <nrc> Archae|mobile: nope, just need to find a desk
1718. # [15:59] <khuey> kats: heh you guys finally stopped those?
1719. # [16:00] <kats> khuey: well not really. but now there is an etherpad as well
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1722. # [16:00] <kats> the email volume has diminished somewhat i guess
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1729. # [16:02] <mjh563> dougt: are you working on bug 886138?
1730. # [16:03] <mjh563> if not, I'd like to do it
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1737. # [16:06] <khuey> hrm
1738. # [16:06] <khuey> did dbaron ever blog about good commit messages?
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1740. # [16:07] <kats> i think he did
1741. # [16:07] <kats> or somebody did
1742. # [16:07] <kats> i read it and was inspired to have good commit messages
1743. # [16:07] <kats> and then after a couple of weeks...
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1745. # [16:07] <khuey> remember where I can find it?
1746. # [16:08] <kats> it might have been a video actually
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1748. # [16:08] <kats> perhaps from one of those discussions in taipei
1749. # [16:08] <kats> oh here is something: http://dbaron.org/log/20100426-bug-summary
1750. # [16:08] <kats> except never mind, that's completely unrelated
1751. # [16:09] <khuey> mmm, yeah, maybe it was in that video
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1754. # [16:09] <kats> yeah
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1805. # [16:14] <khuey> heh looks like irccloud just died
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1810. # [16:18] <nigelb> ouch, heh
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1812. # [16:19] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/cc4a3f3f899e - Ben Hearsum - bug 885477: switch Nightly users to Balrog - default to aus3 unless we're in a NIGHTLY_BUILD. r=rstrong
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1826. # [16:31] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/f4e88e5f24ca - Gregory Szorc - Bug 921987 - Don't install inactive tests; r=ted
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1828. # [16:34] <+benjamin> why, when I do try: -b o -p macosx64 -uall[10.6] -t all, do I get a 10.7 build?
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1831. # [16:35] <froydnj> benjamin: because we don't have 10.6 builders?
1832. # [16:35] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/654969e2676c - Ehsan Akhgari - Bug 920292 - Part 1: Stop passing string literals as the first argument to MOZ_ASSERT; r=Waldo
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1835. # [16:36] <+benjamin> that contradicts what I get with a full try build
1836. # [16:36] <@ted> benjamin: yeah, we only do one build per OS
1837. # [16:36] * froydnj hates .jsms that have side effects on importing (!)
1838. # [16:36] <@ted> wel'
1839. # [16:36] <@ted> one build per OS+build type
1840. # [16:36] <@ted> benjamin: debug builds might be built differently
1841. # [16:36] <edmorley|sheriffduty> benjamin: the trychooser page says " Restrict tests to platform(s) " rather than restrict tests and builds
1842. # [16:36] <edmorley|sheriffduty> and yeah as ted said, we only do one build for each of OS X and Windows
1843. # [16:37] <edmorley|sheriffduty> and Android for that matter
1844. # [16:37] <+benjamin> I guess the real question is can I get a 10.6 build without running everything?
1845. # [16:37] <edmorley|sheriffduty> benjamin: there is no such thing as a "10.6 build"
1846. # [16:37] <+benjamin> edmorley|sheriffduty: what is this? https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=97d5e5ef7a44
1847. # [16:37] <edmorley|sheriffduty> benjamin: there is only an "OS X build" that has to be placed on TBPL on a particular row
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1849. # [16:39] <edmorley|sheriffduty> benjamin: one OS X binary was created on a OS X lion builder (bld-lion-r5-031; all our OS X builders on try are Lion iirc), that one binary is uploaded to FTP and then downloaded to three test slaves, each running a different version of OS X
1850. # [16:39] <+benjamin> ahhhhhhhhhh
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1854. # [16:40] <edmorley|sheriffduty> benjamin: similarly for Windows, there is only a "generic Windows 32bit opt build", that gets run on all variants of Windows
1855. # [16:40] <edmorley|sheriffduty> :-)
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1858. # [16:40] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/2786f006654b - Benjamin Peterson - Bug 922190 - Remove bundled copy of simplejson. r=gps
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1864. # [16:41] <Yoric> My calls to nsICrashManager all throw NS_ERROR_NOT_INITIALIZED.
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1866. # [16:41] <Yoric> What am I doing wrong?
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1868. # [16:42] <Yoric> Should I do something specific to initialize the nsICrashmanager?
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1878. # [16:43] <@gavin> what is nsICrashManager?
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1880. # [16:43] <@gavin> I don't see it in the tree
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1882. # [16:43] <@gavin> nsICrashReporter?
1883. # [16:43] <Yoric> I meant nsICrashReporter, sorry.
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1885. # [16:44] <Yoric> Ah, I guess I need to set |enabled| to true.
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1887. # [16:44] <Yoric> (that's for a test)
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1896. # [16:47] <Yoric> Ah, except I can't do this from JS.
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1898. # [16:48] <Yoric> ...
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1912. # [16:54] <Yoric> Ok, I realize I have no clue how I can enable the crash reporter.
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1915. # [16:54] <Yoric> I have succeeded at calling setEnabled, but that was obviously not sufficient, as the crash reporter informed me that the application didn't identify itself.
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1935. # [17:01] <glazou> NeilAway: glargl, won't be in brussels for the summit
1936. # [17:01] <glazou> pfff
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1939. # [17:02] <@bsmedberg> Yoric: you can write an extension to hang AsyncShutdownTimeout in release builds, right?
1940. # [17:02] <Yoric> bsmedberg: Ah, good idea.
1941. # [17:02] * Yoric hasn't written extensions in ages.
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1943. # [17:03] <djvj> how do I get crashdumps from tbpl runs? Specifically this one: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=28600135&tree=Mozilla-Inbound
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1949. # [17:04] <@bsmedberg> djvj: you don't, currently. releng almost has it working, though you need the symbols also
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1951. # [17:04] <@bsmedberg> djvj: what do you need to know that isn't already in the log?
1952. # [17:04] <djvj> bsmedberg: I don't necessarily need symbols, just need to be able to look at the machine code around the crash address.
1953. # [17:05] <@bsmedberg> is that JIT code?
1954. # [17:05] <djvj> that may not be enough and I may need symbols after all, but I just want to look at it.
1955. # [17:05] <djvj> bsmedberg: no, it should be C++ thumb code
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1957. # [17:05] <@bsmedberg> you probably don't need the dump for that
1958. # [17:05] <@bsmedberg> just the symbols will give you the location of libxul.so!js::PropDesc::initialize(JSContext*, JS::Value const&, bool) [jscntxt.h:eedf61cab3fa : 670 + 0x2]
1959. # [17:06] <djvj> bsmedberg: yeah, I got that part. I want to know what the actual instructions getting generated are. the crash is a SIGILL
1960. # [17:06] <@bsmedberg> you can download the build and run a disassembler on it
1961. # [17:06] <djvj> bsmedberg: hmm, good call
1962. # [17:07] <djvj> bsmedberg: does the Android 4.0 opt runs use the same build as Android 2.2 Opt (seems like it)
1963. # [17:07] <NeilAway> glazou: :-(
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1970. # [17:11] <@ted> djvj: yes
1971. # [17:11] <djvj> ted: k, thx.
1972. # [17:11] <@ted> djvj: we produce two types of android arm builds: armv7 and armv6
1973. # [17:11] <@ted> but the armv7 builds get run on both 4.0/2.2
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1979. # [17:14] <glazou> NeilAway: yeah I know, flying to South Korea...
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1982. # [17:14] <glazou> NeilAway: we really really need to find a moment around a drink and/or dinner
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1988. # [17:17] <smontagu> glazou: on a related topic, there is a layout work week in paris last week in october. will you be around then?
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1994. # [17:20] <glazou> smontagu: yep
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1996. # [17:21] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/4667fc2ca737 - Ryan VanderMeulen - Backed out changeset 09cca9f32103 (bug 848731) for mochitest-bc failures.
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2036. # [17:41] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/705e96f091fe - Milan Sreckovic - Bug 916322 - Add UnsetAttr to HTMLCanvasElement to catch the removal of attributes and keep the context it owns of matching size. r=khuey, r=jmuizelaar
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2046. # [17:47] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/ba3cb2271302 - Dan Gohman - Bug 917991 - Cleanup the mechanism by which movapd and movaps are used for register-to-register moves. r=jandem
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2049. # [17:49] <bnicholson> "hg blame content/media/MediaStreamGraph.cpp -u" shows that i modified most of that file instead of roc, but i've never touched that file. can someone explain what's going on here?
2050. # [17:49] <bnicholson> merge related perhaps? blame points to revision 2ffeac43b95e
2051. # [17:49] <decoder> bnicholson: at least im not stupid^^
2052. # [17:49] <bnicholson> lol
2053. # [17:49] <decoder> but id like to know as well whats going on there
2054. # [17:49] <decoder> my automation is relying on these ^^
2055. # [17:50] <decoder> RyanVM|sheriffduty: ^^
2056. # [17:50] <mcsmurf> hm didnt we have this problem (wrong blame) a while ago already
2057. # [17:50] <mcsmurf> cannot remember the details
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2060. # [17:50] <mcsmurf> I remember it was no real bug
2061. # [17:50] <mcsmurf> in some way ;)
2062. # [17:50] <mcsmurf> but maybe the sheriff knows more
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2065. # [17:50] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> bnicholson: rebase fail
2066. # [17:50] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> IIRC
2067. # [17:51] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> that bug was supposedly fixed, but ISTR people still hitting it in current versions
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2069. # [17:51] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> mcsmurf: decoder: bnicholson: personally, I'd stay away from hg rebase and just hg qpop -a, pull, qpush
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2071. # [17:52] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> bnicholson: and make sure you have an up-to-date copy of hg
2072. # [17:52] <decoder> RyanVM|sheriffduty: oh ok.. ill give it a try on a clean repo then
2073. # [17:52] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> decoder: unfortunately, once it's committed, it's too late
2074. # [17:52] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> the damage is already done
2075. # [17:52] <decoder> :(
2076. # [17:52] <decoder> so it's not a local problem
2077. # [17:53] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> decoder: can you make it go to the parent cset and bisect from there?
2078. # [17:53] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> no, it's not a local problem
2079. # [17:53] <bnicholson> RyanVM|sheriffduty: thanks, i do use hg rebase. guess i need to stop using it
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2081. # [17:53] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> you'll see it in the hg blame
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2084. # [17:53] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> bnicholson: sorry, it's a big PITA, I know :(
2085. # [17:53] <mcsmurf> http://bz.selenic.com/show_bug.cgi?id=3833
2086. # [17:54] <mcsmurf> and Bug 843081
2087. # [17:54] <mcsmurf> this is what I thought of
2088. # [17:54] * RyanVM|sheriffduty should ping sid0 about it
2089. # [17:54] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> because it seems people still hit it from time to time
2090. # [17:54] <mcsmurf> Bug 3739 - Rebases can store incorrect copy information (edit)
2091. # [17:54] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> bnicholson: what version are you running?
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2093. # [17:54] <bnicholson> RyanVM|sheriffduty: 2.7.1
2094. # [17:55] <mcsmurf> hm
2095. # [17:55] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> decoder: what cset was this?
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2097. # [17:55] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> (was this an older push)
2098. # [17:55] <mcsmurf> "hg clients older than 2.5 have a bug [1] which causes them to occasionally generate csets which mess up hg blame."
2099. # [17:56] <bnicholson> if rev 2ffeac43b95e caused this, perhaps hg was out of date at the time
2100. # [17:56] <bnicholson> since that landed in february this year
2101. # [17:57] <decoder> RyanVM|sheriffduty: cset 2ffeac43b95e
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2105. # [17:57] <decoder> the bug says everything including mercurial 2.4 is affected
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2108. # [17:57] <decoder> im using 2.0.2 >.> ubuntu lts standard
2109. # [17:57] <decoder> i shoul probably manually upgrade that
2110. # [17:57] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> decoder: bnicholson: yeah, I'm wondering if you were on a buggy version then still
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2113. # [17:58] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> decoder: yes, 2.0.2 is ancient
2114. # [17:58] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> you really shoudl be on 2.6+
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2123. # [18:01] <bnicholson> so my cset landed right before the discussion in http://bz.selenic.com/show_bug.cgi?id=3833
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2125. # [18:01] <bnicholson> and then bug 843081 landed
2126. # [18:01] <bnicholson> i assume it's fixed now?
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2133. # [18:03] <decoder> RyanVM|sheriffduty: 2.7.1 now ;)
2134. # [18:04] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> decoder: :)
2135. # [18:04] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> bnicholson: supposedly :)
2136. # [18:04] <bnicholson> heh
2137. # [18:04] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> decoder: so anyway, hopefully you can go back to the parent cset pre-bustage and then start bisecting from there
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2154. # [18:16] <decoder> RyanVM|sheriffduty: it wasnt a bisect, but a blame that I was doing
2155. # [18:16] <decoder> and we already have the right blame now from git
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2157. # [18:16] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> decoder: ok
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2159. # [18:16] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/9cfe826bafb9 - David Anderson - Introduce new RPC messaging semantics (bug 910493 part 1, r=cjones).
2160. # [18:16] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/19045a3843db - David Anderson - Add RPC message support to messagemanager (bug 910493 part 2, r=smaug).
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2167. # [18:19] <ekr> If I want to add something to the libXUL link line, where do I put it?
2168. # [18:19] <ekr> (like an external library)
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2209. # [18:34] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> dholbert: FYI, see the above scrollback about the messed up blame. Probably the Hg rebase bug
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2213. # [18:37] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/c689b1d342c7 - Gregory Szorc - Bug 920184 - Have mach xpcshell-test and mochitest-* update test files automatically; r=ted
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2223. # [18:40] <dholbert> RyanVM|sheriffduty, gotcha
2224. # [18:41] <dholbert> RyanVM|sheriffduty, yeah, I had faint memories of rebase messing up blame in some SVG files
2225. # [18:41] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> yeah, that bug is really annoying
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2239. # [18:49] <jwatt> dholbert, RyanVM|sheriffduty: the hook to prevent horked blame wasn't landed until april: bug 846953
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2241. # [18:50] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> jwatt: yeah, IIRC, this is fixed in any respectable version of Hg too
2242. # [18:50] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> using <2.6 is at one's own peril IMO
2243. # [18:50] <jwatt> indeed
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2245. # [18:51] <till> gps: ping
2246. # [18:51] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/f90880fb5248 - Gregory Szorc - Bug 922685 - Local $(foreach) variable isn't set properly; r=bsmedberg
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2260. # [18:57] <@smaug> ehsan: I don't quite understand the MessagePort proposal
2261. # [18:57] <gps> till: pong
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2265. # [18:58] <@smaug> ehsan: MessagePort and the other port it is connected to should both stay alive as long as at least one side is kept alive
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2267. # [18:59] <till> gps: can you give an estimate on when you'll be able to review bug 904346?
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2269. # [18:59] <till> gps: we want to land that before the Summit, ideally even today, if at all possible
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2271. # [19:00] <till> gps: which is very short notice, I know, and I apologize for that
2272. # [19:00] <bent> smaug, the big problem is what happens if the other process crashes
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2275. # [19:00] <@smaug> ehsan: posted to whatwg
2276. # [19:00] <@smaug> bent: yes, I can see that problem
2277. # [19:01] <@smaug> but I don't understand what ehsan proposed
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2282. # [19:01] <bent> smaug, he's proposing to pin the port as long as the document is alive, so that it is impossible to expose GC behavior
2283. # [19:02] <bent> (since the port can't be GCd)
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2286. # [19:02] <gps> till: r+
2287. # [19:02] <till> gps: thanks!
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2289. # [19:03] <@smaug> bent: but a port isn't necessarily bound to any document
2290. # [19:03] <@smaug> as Hixie said too
2291. # [19:04] <bent> smaug, sure. in which case we only care about being notified of crashes
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2294. # [19:04] <@smaug> bent: but we'd effectively kept ports alive forever until the document is closed?
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2296. # [19:04] <jgraham> Is this an internal usecase, or a web-facing one?\
2297. # [19:04] <bent> smaug, that's the proposal, yes
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2299. # [19:05] <@smaug> really really odd
2300. # [19:05] <jgraham> I only ask because it's going to be super-hard to sell anything that only has Firefox-internal use cases
2301. # [19:05] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/6d72b823b67f - Andy Wingo - Bug 907077 - Fix up jetpack for for-of changes. r=rFobic
2302. # [19:05] <@smaug> error prone
2303. # [19:05] <jgraham> Especially given the downside is "leak all ports"
2304. # [19:05] <jgraham> (for some value of "leak")
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2308. # [19:06] <decoder> dholbert: thx, my automation didnt actually cross check the commit. i didnt expect there could be a bug with hg blame
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2310. # [19:07] <dholbert> decoder, np!
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2326. # [19:17] <froydnj> oh man, the idpl header situation is so bad
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2338. # [19:23] <tbsaunde> froydnj: I hear we have a new ipdl owner :)
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2340. # [19:23] <mina> is there a method to scroll down/up/right/left n pixels?
2341. # [19:24] <@gavin> window.scrollBy()
2342. # [19:24] <jwir3> mina: window.scrollTo?
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2347. # [19:25] <froydnj> tbsaunde: sweet, that person can review my patches
2348. # [19:25] <sfink> I don't think self-review is allowed
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2350. # [19:26] <Ms2ger> Easily avoided
2351. # [19:26] <Ms2ger> firebot, review my patch
2352. # [19:26] <firebot> Ms2ger: Your patch looks good. r+sr+ui-r+a=mconnor
2353. # [19:26] <jwir3> heh
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2355. # [19:26] <mina> jwir3: thanks!
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2358. # [19:27] <jwir3> mina: gavin's suggestion is probably better if you actually want to scroll _BY_ a certain amount, rather than _TO_ a certain location.
2359. # [19:27] <froydnj> if I get made the ipdl owner, I will /trout whoever made that decision and forward all reviews in the component to them
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2361. # [19:27] <mina> jwir3: right I found scrollBy when I went to the window MDN page :P
2362. # [19:27] <mina> I just didn't know these methods were on window
2363. # [19:27] <mina> gavin: thanks too
2364. # [19:28] <tbsaunde> froydnj: but we can make you do that, you get a choice own the b2g build system or own ipdl
2365. # [19:29] <froydnj> tbsaunde: hard up for module owners, eh?
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2369. # [19:30] <tbsaunde> only for things nobody wants to own :)
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2375. # [19:32] <jorendorff> akeybl: ping
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2379. # [19:32] <jorendorff> akeybl: I got a Daily Release Tracking Alert that says: == Unlanded Beta 25 Bugs ==
2380. # [19:32] <jorendorff> * https://bugzil.la/899296 - - (assigned to Jason Orendorff [:jorendorff])
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2390. # [19:36] <@ehsan> smaug: I tried to read most of the scrollback...
2391. # [19:37] <@ehsan> smaug: my proposal is to not gc ports that belong to a document until that document is alive
2392. # [19:37] <@ehsan> smaug: we should probably do something similar for workers as well
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2394. # [19:37] <@smaug> ehsan: as I said in my email to whatwg, I don't understand "belong to a document" bit
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2399. # [19:38] <@ehsan> smaug: if the MessagePort lives in the window global context, it should not be collected while the window is alive
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2401. # [19:38] <@smaug> in other words, leak
2402. # [19:38] <@ehsan> smaug: no
2403. # [19:39] <@ehsan> smaug: there are lots of things which already have that property
2404. # [19:39] <@ehsan> the document object for example
2405. # [19:39] <@ehsan> we don't consider documents to "leak" :)
2406. # [19:39] <@smaug> that is quite special case
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2408. # [19:39] <@ehsan> yes
2409. # [19:40] <@smaug> and document may actually change during the lifetime of window
2410. # [19:40] <@ehsan> right
2411. # [19:40] <@smaug> also, in case of workers - worker may die when GC runs
2412. # [19:40] <@smaug> and if the other side of port is in a worker, the gc behavior would be exposed to scripts
2413. # [19:41] <@ehsan> hmm
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2415. # [19:41] * @ehsan checks the spec
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2424. # [19:45] <@smaug> not sure if spec is too clear about gc behavior
2425. # [19:45] <@ehsan> smaug: in the case of workers, the spec seems to already require the port staying alive: http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/workers.html#dedicatedworkerglobalscope
2426. # [19:46] <@smaug> I'm not talking about that port
2427. # [19:46] <@smaug> I'm talking about ports one explicitly creates
2428. # [19:46] <@ehsan> you're talking about the port on the other side?
2429. # [19:47] <@smaug> if you create a MessageChannel and send the other port to a worker
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2433. # [19:48] <@ehsan> hmm
2434. # [19:48] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/48f4c5347dad - Jeff Hammel - Bug 921509 - OS X "OSError: [Errno 3] No such process" in runtests.py::killAndGetStack();r=ted
2435. # [19:49] <@ehsan> smaug: I don't understand how the worker may die in that case...
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2437. # [19:49] <@ehsan> can you please elaborate?
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2439. # [19:49] <@smaug> ehsan: if nothing on the main thread keeps the worker object alive, it should die at some point
2440. # [19:49] <jgraham> http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/web-messaging.html#ports-and-garbage-collection fwiw
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2443. # [19:51] <@smaug> PortCollection is odd
2444. # [19:51] <@smaug> it exposes gc behavior to scripts
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2447. # [19:52] <@ehsan> smaug: hmm, ok, I can't find what the current spec exactly says on that case
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2469. # [20:01] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/d4dbe65c5f18 - Nathan Froyd - Bug 922633 - use Services.jsm more in PermissionPromptHelper.jsm; r=smaug
2470. # [20:01] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/11d7e1b8531a - Nathan Froyd - Bug 922632 - use Services.jsm more in ContactManager.js; r=smaug
2471. # [20:01] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/0a5bb0e56b6d - Nathan Froyd - Bug 921563 - part 3 - simplify test_ipdl_sources; r=gps
2472. # [20:01] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/108da2233a8f - Nathan Froyd - Bug 921563 - part 1 - declare return types in IPDL C++ with C++0x late return syntax; r=gps
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2474. # [20:01] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/357d8cab2d45 - Nathan Froyd - Bug 921563 - part 2 - delete typedefs and using statements from global scope in IPDL C++ files; r=gps
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2476. # [20:01] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/2a0cea4c8eaa - Nathan Froyd - Bug 921563 - part 4 - compile ipc/ipdl/ in "unity" mode; r=gps
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2480. # [20:03] <@ehsan> smaug: question for you
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2483. # [20:03] <@ehsan> smaug: when you transfer a port to a worker, do you transfer the same object, or another object which is somehow connected to the original one?
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2485. # [20:04] <@smaug> well, you can't send the same object
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2487. # [20:04] <@smaug> but the new object is then connected to the other port
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2489. # [20:04] <@ehsan> right
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2491. # [20:05] <@ehsan> smaug: so, if we make both ports live for as long as their global scope is alive, would that fix the problem you were concerned with?
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2494. # [20:05] <@ehsan> smaug: (I mean ports that are not closed)
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2501. # [20:08] <@smaug> well, sure, but that would mean we keep effectively all the workers alive as long as the window object stays alive
2502. # [20:08] <@smaug> we shouldn't add this kind of leaky APIs
2503. # [20:08] <@smaug> IMO
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2505. # [20:09] <@ehsan> smaug: because they're being kept alive by the port on the other side?
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2509. # [20:10] <@smaug> you have portA in the main thread and portB in a worker
2510. # [20:10] <@smaug> they are connected
2511. # [20:10] <@smaug> then nothing keeps the worker alive
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2514. # [20:11] <@smaug> nor either ports, but portA has listener for the proposed close event
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2516. # [20:11] <@smaug> when should that run
2517. # [20:11] <@smaug> er, when should close event be dispatched
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2520. # [20:12] <@ehsan> smaug: when you call portB.close() in the worker?
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2525. # [20:13] <gps> froydnj: I just got a build error after pulling your patch. not sure if MOZ_PSEUDO_DERECURSE or clobber needed
2526. # [20:13] <@smaug> ehsan: what if you don't call close()
2527. # [20:13] <@ehsan> smaug: then you'll never get the close event
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2529. # [20:14] <@smaug> and you leak the ports forever
2530. # [20:14] <@ehsan> no
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2532. # [20:14] <taras> gavin: who do i talk to about fixing my bugzilla account?
2533. # [20:14] <@smaug> yet JS can't use them
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2537. # [20:14] <@smaug> ehsan: why no
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2540. # [20:14] <@ehsan> smaug: I'm only talking about ports that can communicate cross-process
2541. # [20:14] <@smaug> if you have say....Facebook page or some such which people keep in a tab all the time
2542. # [20:15] <@gavin> taras: fixing how?
2543. # [20:15] <@ehsan> (I know that the concept of process is fuzzy)
2544. # [20:15] <@smaug> ehsan: I don't care about cross-process
2545. # [20:15] <@ehsan> smaug: I do :)
2546. # [20:15] <@smaug> or non-cross-proces
2547. # [20:15] <@smaug> I care about the APIs we expose to the web
2548. # [20:15] <@ehsan> but there is a big distinction between the two cases
2549. # [20:15] <@smaug> possibly
2550. # [20:15] <@ehsan> in the case where everything runs in the same process, you can in theory notify the other side when the port is done manually
2551. # [20:15] <@smaug> and then we possibly shouldn't use MessagePort for cross-process communication
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2553. # [20:16] <@ehsan> using a regular postMessage()
2554. # [20:16] <@ehsan> that is not an options for ports that talk cross-process
2555. # [20:16] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/1fb456791435 - Neil Rashbrook - Bug 921751 Make Preprocessor.py's -o option honour requested newline type r=ted
2556. # [20:16] <@ehsan> the thing is that cross-process communication _is_ required for the current web
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2558. # [20:16] <@ehsan> with things like out of process tabs
2559. # [20:16] <@ehsan> or out of process iframes
2560. # [20:16] <@ehsan> which chrome is adding support for
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2562. # [20:17] <@ehsan> so this will be a problem that we need to solve in the platform
2563. # [20:17] <@ehsan> one way or another
2564. # [20:17] <WeirdAl> froydnj: ping, which city did you say you'd be in for the Summit?
2565. # [20:17] <@ehsan> firefox os is just going to be one place where we run into this problem
2566. # [20:17] <bz> ehsan: heh
2567. # [20:17] <bz> ehsan: I just mentioned cross-process iframes on the list too...
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2570. # [20:17] <@ehsan> see!
2571. # [20:17] <@smaug> ehsan: sure. but not in a way which exposes GC behavior, or keeps objects alive forever
2572. # [20:18] <@ehsan> great minds think alike ;)
2573. # [20:18] <taras> gavin: i wanna login with my mozilla persona, but use my gmail to receive bugmail
2574. # [20:18] <bz> ehsan: seems like the obvious place where the web will run into this
2575. # [20:18] <@ehsan> smaug: is there an alternative solution?
2576. # [20:18] <@ehsan> bz: agreed
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2578. # [20:19] <@gavin> taras: um, I don't know
2579. # [20:19] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> Yoric: ping
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2582. # [20:20] <@ehsan> smaug: (note that I'm not trying to challenge you on this... I just don't think there is any alternative solutions)
2583. # [20:20] <@ehsan> smaug: IOW, I think we can either expose GC or keep things alive forever
2584. # [20:20] <froydnj> WeirdAl: toronto
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2587. # [20:21] <taras> glob|away: ping
2588. # [20:21] <@ehsan> taras: you should forward your moco email to gmail
2589. # [20:21] <@ehsan> taras: which is what I do
2590. # [20:21] <WeirdAl> froydnj: ok, I'm still looking to schedule some time with you where we can talk about stream converters during the summit... I'll be in Santa Clara
2591. # [20:21] * jimm-bbias is now known as jimm
2592. # [20:21] <@smaug> ehsan: thinking... :)
2593. # [20:21] <taras> ehsan: /me reports you to IT
2594. # [20:22] <@ehsan> taras: ?
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2597. # [20:22] <WeirdAl> froydnj: what time and day would be most convenient, do you know yet?
2598. # [20:22] <taras> ehsan: we have a no-gmail for moco email corp policy
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2600. # [20:23] <froydnj> ehsan: you're letting the nsa read your email!
2601. # [20:23] <taras> froydnj: nsa helps him search through it
2602. # [20:23] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/23c7e67e9188 - Alexander Surkov - Bug 880159 - word offsets for caret when at end of line should not return offsets for next line, r=tbsaunde
2603. # [20:23] <@ehsan> taras: we do?!
2604. # [20:23] <@ehsan> lol
2605. # [20:23] <froydnj> WeirdAl: no idea
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2607. # [20:23] <@ehsan> taras: I'd be more than happy to switch when IT gives me an email client which can deal with my bugmail volume
2608. # [20:23] <WeirdAl> with as much bug traffic as ehsan probably gets, I bet he needs the NSA's help ;)
2609. # [20:23] <@ehsan> froydnj: I send them a daily digest to help them keep us all safe
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2611. # [20:24] <taras> ehsan: hrm, i could probably setup a zimbra rule to only fwd bugmail
2612. # [20:24] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/a4542e27845d - Jim Blandy - Bug 916321: Assert that Debugger.Object.prototype.unsafeDereference outerizes inner objects. r=jorendorff
2613. # [20:24] <@ehsan> taras: yeah, although I didn't bother
2614. # [20:24] <@ehsan> taras: but it should be easy using the bugzilla headers
2615. # [20:24] * MrDHat is now known as MrDHat|offline
2616. # [20:25] <tbsaunde> why don't we just have a all confidential email should be encrypted rule?
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2618. # [20:25] <Ms2ger> Because the people who send confidential email don't know what encryption is?
2619. # [20:25] * Ms2ger guesses
2620. # [20:25] <@ehsan> Ms2ger: right on
2621. # [20:26] * @ehsan doesn't know how to compress email!
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2629. # [20:27] <seth> hmm, odd
2630. # [20:27] <seth> i have a try push here that never ran its tests
2631. # [20:28] <mbrubeck> seth: link?
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2633. # [20:28] <seth> mbrubeck: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=0b53147cd6e3
2634. # [20:29] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> Neil: inbound bustage
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2636. # [20:29] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> Neil: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=28624425&tree=Mozilla-Inbound
2637. # [20:29] <@ehsan> seth: your patch was so bad that there was no point in bothering to run tests
2638. # [20:29] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> NeilAway ^
2639. # [20:29] <mbrubeck> seth: yeah, weird. aside from bugs in buildbot, the only thing I know that would cause that is if someone pushed the cancel button accidentally while the tests were in the pending state.
2640. # [20:29] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> seth: there was Try bustage last night
2641. # [20:29] <seth> ehsan: hehe, i wouldn't be surprised =p
2642. # [20:29] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> bad buildbot commit
2643. # [20:30] <seth> ah, i see
2644. # [20:30] <seth> will resubmit
2645. # [20:30] <@ehsan> seth: in fact, it did you a favor for just building it :P
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2647. # [20:30] <@ehsan> be thankful!
2648. # [20:30] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> seth: bug 922405
2649. # [20:30] <seth> ehsan: all i know is, these try results are 100% green! time to push =)
2650. # [20:30] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> heh
2651. # [20:30] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> win
2652. # [20:31] * RyanVM|sheriffduty warms up the backout cannon
2653. # [20:31] <@ehsan> seth: you can adjust the colors using an svg filter or something ;)
2654. # [20:31] <@ehsan> seth: you know how this web stuff works!
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2659. # [20:33] <@ehsan> seth: just put it in firefox, a smart @docuemnt thingy and you're all set! \o/
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2661. # [20:33] <bz> ehsan: fwiw, I had to do that once
2662. # [20:33] <bz> ehsan: had two bmp images...
2663. # [20:33] <@ehsan> bz: for real?
2664. # [20:34] <bz> ehsan: wanted transparent pixels where they had white
2665. # [20:34] <bz> ehsan: used an SVG filter
2666. # [20:34] <@ehsan> oh
2667. # [20:34] <@ehsan> wow
2668. # [20:34] * @ehsan was only kidding
2669. # [20:34] <bz> ehsan: lemme get you a link
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2671. # [20:34] <bz> http://web.mit.edu/bzbarsky/www/Slidy2/graphics/VisualCryptography.html
2672. # [20:35] <bz> Drag the panda on the right over the one on the left
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2674. # [20:35] <bz> Stole it from a web page that used a Java applet for the task....
2675. # [20:35] <@ehsan> bz: you *are* speaking the truth!
2676. # [20:35] <bz> ehsan: ;)
2677. # [20:35] <bz> ehsan: The nice thing was how _simple_ it was
2678. # [20:35] <@ehsan> woa
2679. # [20:35] <@ehsan> we're pretty slow there
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2681. # [20:36] <@ehsan> bz: should I file a bug ;)
2682. # [20:36] <bz> ehsan: solve a system of linear equations, and presto, you get a filter that does neat stuff
2683. # [20:36] <bz> ehsan: Sure
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2685. # [20:36] <bz> ehsan: Though....
2686. # [20:36] <bz> ehsan: slow in what sense?
2687. # [20:36] <bz> ehsan: the script on the page moves in 5px increments
2688. # [20:36] <bz> ehsan: on purpose
2689. # [20:37] <bz> ehsan: because otherwise lining up the two images is too hard
2690. # [20:37] <@ehsan> bz: when the images move on top of each other, it seems janky
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2693. # [20:37] <@ehsan> I'm profiling to make sure
2694. # [20:37] <bz> ok
2695. # [20:37] <bz> anyway.
2696. # [20:37] <bz> SVG filters can do cool stuff. ;)
2697. # [20:38] <@ehsan> we're spending a bunch of time in mozilla::dom::SVGFEColorMatrixElement::Filter
2698. # [20:38] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/94dd2ef0b98e - Ryan VanderMeulen - Backed out changeset 1fb456791435 (bug 921751) for check-sync-dirs failures.
2699. # [20:38] <@ehsan> like 36% in nsSVGFilterInstance::Render
2700. # [20:38] * @ehsan files that bug for investigation
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2702. # [20:38] <bz> ehsan: that seems totally plausible
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2705. # [20:39] <@ehsan> bz: yeah, I don't know if this could be made faster or not
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2710. # [20:41] <bz> In theory, we could convert the filter to a shader
2711. # [20:41] <bz> and do it all on the GPU
2712. # [20:41] <bz> I would think.
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2717. # [20:45] <jwatt> bz: that would be bug 869496
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2719. # [20:45] <bz> aha
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2721. # [20:46] <BenWa> ehsan: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Performance/Profiling_with_the_Built-in_Profiler#Profile_Fails_to_Upload
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2731. # [20:49] <@ehsan> bz: bug 922766 if you're curious
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2734. # [20:50] <@ehsan> rillian: victory! http://gitmirror.mozilla.org/
2735. # [20:50] <efaust> when did 25 uplift off trunk?
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2738. # [20:51] <rillian> ehsan: I can't fetch yet
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2740. # [20:51] <@ehsan> efaust: https://wiki.mozilla.org/RapidRelease/Calendar
2741. # [20:51] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> efaust: https://wiki.mozilla.org/RapidRelease/Calendar
2742. # [20:51] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> hah
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2744. # [20:51] <rillian> ehsan: ah, no .git at the end
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2746. # [20:51] <rillian> hooray, thanks!
2747. # [20:51] <@ehsan> np
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2751. # [20:52] * mbrubeck is thinking of reversing the sort order on that Calendar wiki page, to put future and recent things at the top... any comments?
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2753. # [20:53] <rillian> mbrubeck: works for me. the list is long enough I have to find-in-page most of the time anyway
2754. # [20:53] <mbrubeck> The most *useful* order to me would be the future dates in forward chronological order, followed by past dates in reverse chronological order
2755. # [20:53] <mbrubeck> but that seems confusing.
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2768. # [20:58] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/ac77b26ec1ee - Nicholas Cameron - Bug 915940. Memory reporter for memory image surfaces. r=njn,mattwoodrow
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2786. # [21:06] <@bsmedberg> bholley: let me know if there's more data I can give on bug 921171
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2825. # [21:21] <Yoric> smacleod: We are starting to have a mess of bugs depending on knowing about the shutdown state.
2826. # [21:21] <Yoric> I will try and work on this tomorrow.
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2829. # [21:22] <Yoric> bsmedberg: Do I have your blessing to proceed with bug 881667 and make this visible by JS?
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2832. # [21:23] <smacleod> Yoric: yeah totally
2833. # [21:24] <@bsmedberg> Yoric: hrm, did we ever get the C++ API nailed down?
2834. # [21:24] <smacleod> was going to comment in your bug and mention the session store use case
2835. # [21:24] <Yoric> bsmedberg: Mostly.
2836. # [21:24] <Yoric> ttaubert: ^
2837. # [21:24] <Yoric> gavin: ^
2838. # [21:25] <@bsmedberg> I think comment 7 is still pretty accurate. Hacks in C++ are great, but when we start exposing things to JS I'd like them to be as not-hacky as possible, since everyone is going to start using them right away.
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2844. # [21:26] <Yoric> bsmedberg: Well, thing is, we need this (at least the shutdown part) in JS immediately.
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2846. # [21:26] <Yoric> (actually, we need it for the ESR, from what I understand)
2847. # [21:26] <@bsmedberg> what?
2848. # [21:27] <Yoric> Let me try and find the bug#.
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2850. # [21:27] <Yoric> bug 853779
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2855. # [21:28] <froydnj> RyanVM|sheriffduty: bleh, the ipdl changes required clobbers? they're not supposed to require those
2856. # [21:28] <Yoric> I'm sick and feverish, so don't trust me when I say that this bug depends on bug 881667, but I believe that this is the case.
2857. # [21:28] <Yoric> Perhaps smacleod and/or ttaubert can double-check my claim.
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2860. # [21:29] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> froydnj: apparently
2861. # [21:29] <Yoric> bsmedberg: Even if that's not the case, bug 922785 requires something like bug 881667.
2862. # [21:29] <Yoric> (or at least fixing nsIAppStartup::isShuttingDown, but I don't know the consequences of that)
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2867. # [21:30] <froydnj> RyanVM|sheriffduty: oh, probably because of silly ipdl regeneration bugs
2868. # [21:31] <froydnj> RyanVM|sheriffduty: should I just push a clobber touch? otherwise, you'll probably be dealing with those until all the slaves update past the proper revision
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2871. # [21:32] <@bsmedberg> Yoric: we just were discussing .shuttingDown in fx-team, and that seems like the good short-term fix
2872. # [21:32] <Yoric> ok
2873. # [21:32] <Yoric> Crossing fingers to hope that it doesn't have any unintended consequences.
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2875. # [21:32] <smacleod> Yoric: not familiar with 853779, have to read through it
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2877. # [21:33] <Yoric> So, if that fix works nicely, it makes bug 881667 less urgent, but still quite useful.
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2880. # [21:33] <Yoric> bsmedberg: Would a |isStartingUp| exposed to JS be ok?
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2882. # [21:33] <@bsmedberg> that depends on your definition of "starting up", I guess...
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2884. # [21:34] <Yoric> bsmedberg: Until the end of final-ui-startup, for instance.
2885. # [21:35] <@bsmedberg> yeah, that sounds reasonable
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2887. # [21:35] <@bsmedberg> won't work in xpcshell, but I think that's expected and fine
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2890. # [21:36] <Yoric> Ok, I'll get to work on that immediately.
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2896. # [21:38] <Yoric> bsmedberg: Any preference between adding a field to nsIAppStartup and introducing nsIAppStartup2?
2897. # [21:38] <Yoric> I don't quite understand our policies on this kind of things.
2898. # [21:38] <@bsmedberg> add to nsIAppStartup, unless this is for ESR
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2900. # [21:38] <@bsmedberg> You can't change interfaces on ESR, but you can everywhere else
2901. # [21:38] <@bsmedberg> well, not beta either
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2905. # [21:40] <Yoric> I don't think we need that for ESR/beta.
2906. # [21:40] <Yoric> Thanks.
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2955. # [22:09] <cabanier> who can review a patch on a new canvas method for accessibility?
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2957. # [22:10] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> froydnj: i will
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2960. # [22:12] <Ms2ger> cabanier, smaug does seem like a good start :)
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2962. # [22:13] <cabanier> Ms2ger: yeah. I don't see him on irc.
2963. # [22:13] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/0fc6b2c6bd26 - Ryan VanderMeulen - Bug 921563 - Touch CLOBBER due intermittent build failures.
2964. # [22:13] <cabanier> Ms2ger: is that his irc handle?
2965. # [22:13] <davidb> cabanier: smaug
2966. # [22:13] <Ms2ger> Yes
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2981. # [22:18] <cabanier> surkov: argh. my patch is all messed up
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2983. # [22:18] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/cc64d4aa1117 - Ryan VanderMeulen - Backed out changesets 6d72b823b67f and acdff324d588 (bug 907077) for ASAN debug jit-test failures.
2984. # [22:18] <surkov> cabanier: upload a new one then
2985. # [22:18] <cabanier> will do
2986. # [22:19] <cabanier> I blame xcode :-(
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2991. # [22:20] <@smaug> cabanier: yes. sorry, I haven't had time to focus on that canvas thing
2992. # [22:20] <@smaug> but I can review
2993. # [22:20] <cabanier> smaug: thanks!
2994. # [22:20] <cabanier> smaug: let me fix the patch first. The indents are all wrong
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2997. # [22:21] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/22da748201eb - Aaron Klotz - Bug 888534: Add support for Create, Stat and Close operations to IOInterposer. r=jonasfj
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2999. # [22:22] <@smaug> cabanier: I'll be nitpicking the coding style ;)
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3035. # [22:35] <cabanier> smaug: fixed the patch. I suspect my 2 year old son was pounding did that last night :-)
3036. # [22:36] <KWierso|sheriffduty> sure, blame the kid :)
3037. # [22:36] <cabanier> KWierso|sheriffduty: :-P
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3039. # [22:37] <RyanVM> bajaj: bajaj_lunch: now a good time to do some uplifts?
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3043. # [22:39] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/6a5549d97d8d - Scott Johnson - Bug 878935: Pause painting while reflow-on-zoom is in progress to provide a better user experience. [r=kats]
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3052. # [22:42] <@smaug> cabanier: ok, my review queue doesn't look too bad, so I should be able to get to it tomorrow
3053. # [22:42] <@smaug> (only 17 mins left today)
3054. # [22:42] <cabanier> smaug: np. take your time
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3064. # [22:46] <bajaj> RyanVM:good to check with lsblakk and akeybl, my release is on m-c ;)
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3066. # [22:47] <akeybl> RyanVM: no beta approvals for today
3067. # [22:48] <RyanVM> bajaj: which brings up another question - is there a schedule somewhere of who is assigned to what release?
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3069. # [22:48] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/d7599a4f3e17 - Hubert Figuière - Bug 912560 - WebRTC may define __STDC_FORMAT_MACROS on the command line. r=ted
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3072. # [22:49] <bajaj> RyanVM: yes, let me find you the wiki link :)
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3075. # [22:50] <bajaj> RyanVM: Here you go https://wiki.mozilla.org/Release_Management/TeamWiki
3076. # [22:50] <RyanVM> thanks
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3078. # [22:50] <bajaj> np
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3085. # [22:53] <froydnj> RyanVM: thx for the clobber touch
3086. # [22:53] <RyanVM> froydnj: np :)
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3103. # [23:02] <fitzgen> gps: will ./mach build browser/devtools add new support-files from browser/devtools/debugger/tests/browser.ini?
3104. # [23:03] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/2f3016318932 - Ehsan Akhgari - Bug 921753 - Part 1: Avoid #including nsStyleStructInlines.h in nsIFrame.h; r=roc
3105. # [23:03] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/dbff283df8c1 - Ehsan Akhgari - Bug 921753 - Part 2: Move GraphicsFilters outside of gfxPattern.h so that we won't need to #include that header everywhere GraphicsFilter is needed; r=roc
3106. # [23:03] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/ae6c7a11874e - Ehsan Akhgari - Bug 921753 - Part 4: Move DrawMode outside of gfxFont.h so that we won't need to #include that header everywhere DrawMode is needed; r=roc
3107. # [23:03] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/42de34151ea9 - Ehsan Akhgari - Bug 921753 - Part 5: Remove the gfx/2D.h #include from GfxMessageUtils.h; r=roc
3108. # [23:03] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/236de57e3215 - Ehsan Akhgari - Bug 921753 - Part 3: Avoid #including nsStyleStructInlines.h in nsHTMLReflowState.h; r=roc
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3110. # [23:06] <glosoli> Just to make sure, is this something I imagined or Tab Groups are being removed in the future ?
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3113. # [23:08] <@smaug> jaws: ^
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3115. # [23:08] <mjh563> glosoli: see bug 836758
3116. # [23:09] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/f0b167d86c5e - Jim Blandy - Bug 837060: Explain in detail why we reject objects that might appear to be globals. r=jorendorff
3117. # [23:09] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/66e0cac2533d - Jim Blandy - Bug 837060: Make Debugger.Object.prototype.evalInGlobal{,withBindings} outerize the global before using it as 'this'. r=jorendorff
3118. # [23:09] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/3bbcea535e8f - Jim Blandy - Bug 912536: Test forcing resumptions in non-debuggee frames. r=jorendorff
3119. # [23:09] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/8c590f0469cb - Jim Blandy - Bug 837060: Test that Debugger.Object.prototype.evalInGlobal{,withBindings} properly outerizes 'this'. r=jorendorff
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3121. # [23:10] <RyanVM> firebot: bug 836758
3122. # [23:10] <firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=836758 nor, --, ---, ttaubert, ASSI, Convert Panorama into an add-on and remove it from Firefox
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3124. # [23:11] <jhammel> that bug makes me sad :/
3125. # [23:11] <@smaug> that bug makes lots of sense to me
3126. # [23:11] <@smaug> and makes me happy :)
3127. # [23:12] <@roc> woah, we implemented SharedWorkers?
3128. # [23:12] <RyanVM> jimb: FYI, mcMerge handles [leave-open] the same as [leave open] :)
3129. # [23:12] <RyanVM> roc: and backed them out
3130. # [23:12] <@roc> well sure
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3133. # [23:13] <RyanVM> roc: :P
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3135. # [23:14] <@roc> RyanVM: are you coming to Toronto for the summit?
3136. # [23:14] <RyanVM> roc: SC
3137. # [23:14] <@roc> darn
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3139. # [23:14] <RyanVM> roc: we decided it would be great fun if all the sheriffs were in one timezone for a few days :D
3140. # [23:14] <KWierso|sheriffduty> hotel burns down, mozilla never recovers
3141. # [23:15] <bajaj> lol
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3143. # [23:15] <AutomatedTester> roc: I thought you might have gone to SC instead of travel 1/2 the planet :)
3144. # [23:15] <bajaj> i heard a rumour float by that the trees were being closed ;) true ? (cc RyanVM KWierso|sheriffduty) ?
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3146. # [23:16] <KWierso|sheriffduty> bajaj: rumor untrue(ish)
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3149. # [23:16] <@roc> AutomatedTester: Toronto isn't much further.
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3152. # [23:17] <jimb> RyanVM: Okay, thanks.
3153. # [23:17] <AutomatedTester> roc: ok, I was just basing it on how far glob has to travel and Perth isnt that much further from you :)
3154. # [23:17] <jimb> good to know
3155. # [23:17] <RyanVM> bajaj: we half-seriously thought about closing the integration branches and forcing everyone to push to m-c (and watch afterwards)
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3158. # [23:17] <@roc> Perth is actually
3159. # [23:17] <@roc> It's further from Perth to Auckland than from Los Angeles to Toronto
3160. # [23:17] * bc|afk is now known as bc
3161. # [23:17] <KWierso|sheriffduty> bajaj: but I think "you break it, that's too bad..." is the official position :)
3162. # [23:18] <@roc> beside I already have a lot of travel on. What's a little bit more?
3163. # [23:18] <bajaj> RyanVM: the aftermath would have been too much to handle, NO?!
3164. # [23:18] <@roc> I calculated my average velocity for the nine weeks starting three weeks ago as 42 miles per hour
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3166. # [23:18] <RyanVM> bajaj: but basically came to the conclusion that it was better to just leave the trees as-is with quick tree closures and no guarantees of timely backouts & reopening
3167. # [23:18] <AutomatedTester> roc: LOL
3168. # [23:18] <RyanVM> roc: hah, wow
3169. # [23:18] <bajaj> roc: haha
3170. # [23:18] <@dolske> african or european?
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3173. # [23:19] <bajaj> KWierso|sheriffduty: :) agreed !
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3175. # [23:20] <KWierso|sheriffduty> bajaj: given the likelihood of flaky wifi at the summit, backouts might take a while :)
3176. # [23:20] <philor> it's not like we haven't had the situation of all the sheriffs in the same timezone before
3177. # [23:20] <KWierso|sheriffduty> philor: doesn't count when it only included you :P
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3179. # [23:20] <philor> :)
3180. # [23:21] <AutomatedTester> philor: have we had all the sheriffs in the same timezone?
3181. # [23:21] <NeilAway> RyanVM: remind me why JS has its own copy of the build system again :s
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3184. # [23:21] <RyanVM> NeilAway: you're really barking up the wrong tree asking me, but I believe it's for standalone releases?
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3187. # [23:21] <philor> AutomatedTester: we came close for a workweek a while back, but KWierso got what I meant, the time when they were all in my timezone and my house
3188. # [23:21] <RyanVM> i.e. not needing an entire clone of m-c just to build js
3189. # [23:22] <AutomatedTester> philor: ahh :)
3190. # [23:22] <NeilAway> ted: why don't we have --enable-application=js yet?
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3195. # [23:22] <tbsaunde> NeilAway: it would be a lot of work?
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3199. # [23:25] <philor> mmm, is that actual Win PGO bustage?
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3201. # [23:25] <philor> oh, hello nrc
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3207. # [23:27] <philor> KWierso|sheriffduty:https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/ac77b26ec1ee, but according to https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=915940#c46 it's all ehsan's fault it's still busted the same way it was the last time he pushed it
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3211. # [23:28] <@ehsan> o_O
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3220. # [23:30] <KWierso|sheriffduty> ehsan/nrc/philor: have a backout all ready to push
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3222. # [23:30] <philor> pull the trigger
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3224. # [23:30] <@ehsan> KWierso|sheriffduty: go ahead
3225. # [23:30] <KWierso|sheriffduty> trigger pulled
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3227. # [23:30] <philor> um, did we make assertions that weren't fatal fatal in Mac mochitests?
3228. # [23:31] <philor> or more to the point, did we intend to, or did we break the harness that we've broken multiple other ways too?
3229. # [23:31] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/9f480c4e89c1 - Wes Kocher - Backed out changeset ac77b26ec1ee (bug 915940) for PGO build bustage
3230. # [23:32] <philor> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=28632376&tree=Fx-Team lacks rather quite a lot in the way of rightness
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3246. # [23:41] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/5dd345031f7e - Sean Stangl - Bug 895660 - Detect LinkBuffer OOM. r=nbp
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3248. # [23:43] <nrc> thanks KWierso|sheriffduty and philor!
3249. # [23:45] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/51616efd1839 - Christoph Kerschbaumer - Bug 897516 - Implement a separate cookie jar for safebrowsing - rekey part. r=mmc
3250. # [23:45] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/61817a92297c - Christoph Kerschbaumer - Bug 897516 - Implement a separate cookie jar for safebrowsing - cookie separation part. r=mmc
3251. # [23:45] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/35c6e515634c - Christoph Kerschbaumer - Bug 897516 - Implement a separate cookie jar for safebrowsing - tests. r=mmc
3252. # [23:45] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/0a896a85ce0c - Christoph Kerschbaumer - Bug 910139 - Tests for new nsIContentPolicy TYPE_XSLT via CSP. r=grobinson
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3254. # [23:45] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/f8787963a438 - Martijn Wargers - Bug 918258 - Convert reftests 448987.html and 449653-1.html to mochitests. r=dholbert
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3256. # [23:45] <@smaug> is bob owen ever on irc?
3257. # [23:46] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/f2c7e4e24bea - Christoph Kerschbaumer - Bug 910139 - Add TYPE_XSLT to nsIContentPolicy for XSLT loads and update CSP to treat XSLT as script. r=grobinson, r=jst
3258. # [23:46] <@smaug> !seen bobowencode
3259. # [23:46] <@killer> I don't know who bobowencode is.
3260. # [23:46] <firebot> I've never seen a 'bobowencode', sorry.
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3278. # [23:51] <firebot> Check-in:
3279. # [23:51] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/7eca799dbebc - Jonathan Watt - Bug 917386 - Make frame construction handle trees of nsIAnonymousContentCreator::ContentInfo objects, including support for associating CSS pseudo-elements with deeply
3280. # [23:51] <firebot> nested anonymous elements. r=bz
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3282. # [23:52] <@ehsan> Yoric: do you know about github.com/mozilla/mozilla-central?
3283. # [23:52] <@ehsan> Yoric: it has both the hg and cvs history
3284. # [23:52] <@ehsan> useful for blaming old stuff
3285. # [23:52] <Yoric> ehsan: Ah, I had no idea it had both.
3286. # [23:52] <Yoric> Thanks.
3287. # [23:53] <Yoric> Good to know.
3288. # [23:53] <@ehsan> Yoric: and if you use fugitive.vim, then you have a really good blaming tool!
3289. # [23:53] <@ehsan> np
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3307. # [23:59] <Ghost_Of_MNG> Why did you murder me?! Why do you never bring any flowers?
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