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  5. # [00:00] <Ghost_Of_MNG> Why did you murder me?! Show me the weapon he stabbed me with.
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  25. # [00:13] <philor> nowhere near as good an idea as it initially seemed, and it just won't go away? yup, that's the genuine Ghost_Of_MNG
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  296. # [03:32] <mjrosenb> gah, I wanted to talk to bjacob :-(
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  306. # [03:41] <jcranmer|toronto> ehsan++
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  314. # [03:47] <mjrosenb> jcranmer|toronto: what did ehsan do?
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  316. # [03:47] <jcranmer|toronto> well, more like what he is doing
  317. # [03:48] <jcranmer|toronto> he's working on the PRUnichar conversion
  318. # [03:48] <mjrosenb> ahh, indeed.
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  369. # [04:38] <WeirdAl> Unfocused: ping, bug 451283 has had feedback? you for almost a year now...
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  400. # [05:10] <@dbaron> are crashes in js::jit::MNode::isDefinition from a build from sometime last week a known issue?
  401. # [05:10] <@dbaron> (in particular, on the page the Toronto summit hotel redirects to after logging in to the wifi!)
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  409. # [05:21] <mjrosenb> dbaron: that is new to me, and sounds quite bad.
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  411. # [05:21] <@dbaron> mjrosenb, I have it in gdb right now
  412. # [05:21] <mjrosenb> dbaron: are you lucky enough to have a backtrace?
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  414. # [05:21] <mjrosenb> dbaron: ooh, even better. I can head to where you are if you want me to poke at it.
  415. # [05:22] <@dbaron> mjrosenb, are you in Queen Tower or Richmond Tower?
  416. # [05:22] <mjrosenb> queen tower.
  417. # [05:22] <@dbaron> mjrosenb, meet in the lobby in 3 min?
  418. # [05:22] <mjrosenb> dbaron: sure.
  419. # [05:22] <@dbaron> mjrosenb, top of the escalators
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  423. # [05:23] <cabanier> wow, an impromptu debug session <:o)
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  434. # [05:28] <capella-s3> ;-) That's dedication
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  520. # [06:35] <mjrosenb> well, it would appear as if the internet did in fact expire at 12:30, as advertised.
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  845. # [10:54] <mjrosenb> Tomcat|sheriffduty: that sounds bad.
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  847. # [10:55] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> mjrosenb: ok its bad, we just had a intermittent infra failure
  848. # [10:55] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> but now i gow the nagios recovery mail, so all open again
  849. # [10:56] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> err s/ok its bad/ ok its back i meant :)
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  959. # [12:28] <Ms2ger> Argh
  960. # [12:28] <Ms2ger> Any bmo admin around for bug 924061 / bug 924062?
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  965. # [12:33] <pedjaman> Hi. I'm writting small add-on for Firefox. I wonder is there a way to programatically delete cached pages? It would be perfect if we can delee or period of time. Thanks :)
  966. # [12:34] <pedjaman> Hi. I'm writting small add-on for Firefox. I wonder is there a way to programatically delete cached pages? It would be perfect if we can delete for period of time. Thanks :)
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  970. # [12:37] <TheOne> pedjaman: try #extdev
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  972. # [12:37] <pedjaman> TheOne: Thanks :)
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  1040. # [13:43] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/f82ddd5f63a3 - Raymond Lee - Bug 859695 - OS.File should be adopted in PlacesBackups.jsm and PlacesUtils.jsm. r=mak
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  1147. # [14:53] <Ms2ger> mayhemer, in the post you quoted: "It also doesn't work with pymake because of bug 918652."
  1148. # [14:54] <mayhemer> Ms2ger: ah!!! I forgot.. thanks
  1149. # [14:54] <Ms2ger> Np :)
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  1215. # [15:47] <zzzzz> tbpl is broken again: Loading failed: parsererror (https://secure.pub.build.mozilla.org/builddata/buildjson/builds-pending.js)
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  1260. # [16:13] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/d6e5fe06a43c - Honza Bambas - Bug 916781 - DOM storage instances across managers must not share single eTLD+1 limit check, r=smaug
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  1309. # [16:53] <philor> downforeveryoneorjustforme? https://secure.pub.build.mozilla.org/builddata/buildjson/builds-pending.js
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  1312. # [16:54] <philor> yeah, that was what I was just trying, down there too, closing trees
  1313. # [16:55] <philor> since it's also builds-running.js, and self-serve
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  1321. # [16:59] <Callek> ahh *just* saw answer in #rele
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  1432. # [18:05] <mjrosenb> dbaron: ping?
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  1440. # [18:07] <bkelly> any sheriffs around? we may have some bustage in the gaia integration tests: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=924130
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  1443. # [18:10] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/baaf5299514c - Andrea Marchesini - Bug 924125 - DataStore API is always returning empty objects, r=ehsan
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  1458. # [18:15] <nrc> I can no longer remove the Facebook/share icons from the UX nightly - is that a bug or intentional?
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  1460. # [18:16] <Gijs> nrc: you mean disabling them in about:addons doesn't work?
  1461. # [18:16] <Gijs> nrc: or you mean you can't move them from the toolbar to somewhere else?
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  1463. # [18:17] <nrc> Gijs: the latter
  1464. # [18:18] <nrc> I didn't know to try addons
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  1466. # [18:18] <Gijs> nrc: yeah, the latter is by design...
  1467. # [18:19] <Gijs> nrc: why do you have it enabled if you don't use it? :)
  1468. # [18:19] <Gijs> (just curious!)
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  1480. # [18:23] <nrc> I didn't enable it, it just appeared - maybe I was testing it on that profile at some point in the past (I kind of lose track of which profiles I use for what)
  1481. # [18:25] <nrc> disabling in about:addons works fine, thanks!
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  1488. # [18:30] <Gijs> Cool! :)
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  1545. # [18:59] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/1c0ba30faf85 - Honza Bambas - Bug 924083 - Fix uninitialized mOldDesc in _OldCacheEntryWrapper(nsICacheEntryInfo*) ctor, r=michal
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  1547. # [18:59] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/5dd68636da74 - Honza Bambas - Bug 913814: Fix test_304_responses.js to not be dependent on random GC forcement, r=michal
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  1588. # [19:21] <Gijs> philor: btw, awesome work w/ all the merging to m-c during the summit
  1589. # [19:21] * Gijs appreciated that. :)
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  1599. # [19:28] <nemo> hmph. why doesn't ctrl-shift-del work in private browsing mode?
  1600. # [19:28] <nemo> it is a convenient way to clear a session cookie
  1601. # [19:29] <nemo> or any other temporary stuff
  1602. # [19:29] <jdm> nemo: do you mean in private windows, or in never remember history mode?
  1603. # [19:30] <nemo> jdm: private browsing. ctrl-shift-p
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  1605. # [19:30] <Gijs> nemo: web console on the site in question, document.cookie = '' ?
  1606. # [19:30] <Gijs> nemo: although that doesn't include http-only cookies, I imagine
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  1637. # [19:53] <nemo> Gijs: private browsing obv includes cookies or most sites wouldn't function
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  1639. # [19:53] <nemo> Gijs: I was just surprised that nothing popped up when I hit ctrl-shift-del
  1640. # [19:53] <nemo> I'd never wanted to clear a session cookie before
  1641. # [19:53] <IanN> heya, Gijs was good to meet u at the summit
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  1645. # [19:55] <Gijs> nemo: I mean, the suggestion I made might not touch http-only cookies
  1646. # [19:56] <Gijs> (ie, they might not be cleared)
  1647. # [19:56] <Gijs> IanN: likewise! :)
  1648. # [19:56] <IanN> :)
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  1653. # [19:58] <nemo> Gijs: ah. I see
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  1655. # [19:58] <nemo> Gijs: yeah. prob not
  1656. # [19:59] <nemo> it was more I was surprised that wasn't a possibility
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  1706. # [20:28] <bkelly> philor, ping
  1707. # [20:30] <Ms2ger> Ouch
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  1714. # [20:30] <Ms2ger> dumitru, ^
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  1716. # [20:30] <philor> bkelly: pong
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  1718. # [20:31] <dumitru> huh
  1719. # [20:31] <dumitru> I'm checking why
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  1721. # [20:31] <philor> never trust those people, they're evil
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  1724. # [20:31] <bkelly> philor, hi! I don't know if you are the right person to ask, but I thought I saw you had done some merges lately
  1725. # [20:31] <dumitru> they're back
  1726. # [20:31] <dumitru> someone did something
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  1728. # [20:31] <Ms2ger> There we are, then :)
  1729. # [20:31] <Ms2ger> Thanks
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  1733. # [20:31] <bkelly> philor, we have some gaia integration test bustage from this commit: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/08cf11b864f8
  1734. # [20:32] <bkelly> philor, the folks who normally handle that sort of thing are all traveling today... not sure how to proceed
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  1737. # [20:32] <bkelly> philor, related bug is: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=924130
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  1742. # [20:33] <philor> bkelly: good luck! I'm at my non-Mozilla job, for another seven hours or so
  1743. # [20:33] <bkelly> philor, ah, ok
  1744. # [20:33] <bkelly> philor, I assume I should be looking for someone to do a back out?
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  1749. # [20:35] <philor> bkelly: yeah, and if I were you I'd say so in bug 899574, rather than trusting that someone will look at the added dependency, since my experience is that people almost never do look
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  1751. # [20:36] <bkelly> philor, ok, thank you
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  1754. # [20:36] <philor> or just get reuben, he'll back it out, he'll back out anything!
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  1756. # [20:36] <reuben> gladly
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  1766. # [20:37] <bkelly> reuben, thanks! do you need anything additional from me to do that?
  1767. # [20:38] <reuben> bkelly: don't think so. it's only bug 899574 right?
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  1769. # [20:38] <bkelly> reuben, as far as I can tell yes... specifically part 2
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  1771. # [20:38] <bkelly> not sure if its typical to back out both parts, though
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  1778. # [20:40] <bkelly> I assume we would then need to wait for the next nightly image to build
  1779. # [20:41] <bkelly> since travis pulls nightlies
  1780. # [20:41] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/e5fedcaa0f40 - Reuben Morais - Backed out 2 changesets (bug 899574) for breaking Gaia tests
  1781. # [20:41] <reuben> yea doing changes in gecko and gaia is just awkward
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  1787. # [20:43] <bkelly> reuben, thank you!
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  1789. # [20:44] <philor> if you're going to run tests only on nightlies, you're not going to have a good time
  1790. # [20:44] <reuben> ^
  1791. # [20:45] <philor> we have a few nightly-only things, XULRunner, Android l10n repacks... they're pretty much constantly broken
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  1796. # [20:46] <bkelly> philor, I know we want these tests running enabled in tbpl, but I think we still have hoops to get there
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  1822. # [21:05] <gcp> what GCC version do we officially require for building Firefox?
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  1824. # [21:07] <philor> intend to require and feel bad if we broke, or require the only way that matters, through configure?
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  1836. # [21:10] <philor> huh, http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/configure.in#344 versus https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Developer_Guide/Build_Instructions/Linux_Prerequisites#All_other_systems seems a little mismatched
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  1840. # [21:13] <philor> gcp: anyway, the answer is "4.4 or higher"
  1841. # [21:14] <gcp> okay
  1842. # [21:14] <gcp> I tried to shift the strict enum thing upwards, but then the build fails elsewhere
  1843. # [21:14] <gcp> in the strict enum emulation :P
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  1850. # [21:17] <dvander_> Enn: re: the input.focus() issue in e10s
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  1853. # [21:17] <dvander_> Enn: it turns out mActiveWindow is in fact the correct window in the child process. but if you click on the tab bar or something, the parent process tells the child to lower the window, which sets mActiveWindow = null
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  1857. # [21:19] <gcp> I seem to remember that the summit with 1000+ people 3 years ago had working wireless.
  1858. # [21:19] <gcp> Or rather, working routers, cos the wireless itself might be fine.
  1859. # [21:19] <gcp> On the other hand, the number of wifi devices per mozillian is likely way higher.
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  1920. # [21:37] * cpeterson wonders why conference wifi is not a solved problem. There is obviously a huge market opportunity here (assuming people are willing to pay for it).
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  1923. # [21:38] <Gijs> problem solvedness isn't just a factor of market opportunity, though
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  1925. # [21:38] <Callek> gcp: also summit with 1000+ people 3 years ago had much less people with any wifi-enabled devices (most didn't have laptops open all the time) mobile smartphones were not as prolific, and today most people have 1-4 devices easily at a time (a regular phone, Firefox OS phone, laptop, tablet etc)
  1926. # [21:38] <Gijs> also "how hard is that problem"
  1927. # [21:38] <cpeterson> or conference organizers could offer alternate non-free wifi :)
  1928. # [21:38] * @dolske solved it by tethering to his iPhone
  1929. # [21:39] * Gijs recalls that the last fosdem he was at (2011, I think?) had working wifi
  1930. # [21:39] <Gijs> they essentially got cisco to sponsor them
  1931. # [21:39] <Callek> besides the many announcements of "Whoever FirefoxHotspot is, you're interferring with everyones wifi please shut it off"
  1932. # [21:39] <gcp> Callek: I typed something similar but I guess it didn't make it through :P
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  1934. # [21:39] <Gijs> and hand-rolled it across the University of Brussels campus
  1935. # [21:39] <Callek> ooo it did, I just skimmed over it by accident
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  1937. # [21:40] <cpeterson> do these conference wifi system use traffic shaping? They should throttle connections favoring people using simple web and email.
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  1939. # [21:40] <gcp> nope
  1940. # [21:40] <gcp> My downloads are fast.
  1941. # [21:40] <gcp> It's just random connections dropping.
  1942. # [21:41] <Gijs> I'm sure conference wifi systems are really fine for most non-CS conferences though...
  1943. # [21:41] <gcp> It's as if they have high-grade wifi and then plugged everything into a switch and into a 8M RAM 200Mhz MIPS router thingie
  1944. # [21:41] <Gijs> (which basically means "most conferences" for most venues)
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  1947. # [21:42] <cpeterson> gcp: so the router bottleneck is number of connections, not bandwidth?
  1948. # [21:43] <gcp> That's what it looks to me like yeah.
  1949. # [21:43] <gcp> Something that's just running out of RAM in its NAT tracking.
  1950. # [21:43] <gcp> I have one of these at home too from my ISP :(
  1951. # [21:44] <gcp> Welcome to your Fiber internet. I hope you don't need more than 200 connections to go with that?
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  1956. # [21:51] <billm> Yoric: pong
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  1959. # [21:55] <billm> is anyone having problems running mochitests? for some reason some lines in the output will have their first few characters removed.
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  1963. # [21:57] <Yoric> billm: I'll be afk but I had a question regarding the behavior of e10s in presence of a content process crash. Will the message manager send a message or should client code register timeouts?
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  1969. # [22:00] <billm> Yoric: if the content process crashes, the parent process will be informed. I'll try to remember how. I should test for that case with the session restore patches.
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  1972. # [22:02] <billm> Yoric: I think the relevant code is here: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/dom/ipc/ContentParent.cpp#1184
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  1986. # [22:11] <yzen> Yoric: ping
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  1997. # [22:19] <Yoric> billm: Thanks.
  1998. # [22:20] <Yoric> yzen: pong
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  2000. # [22:20] <yzen> Yoric: just wanted to update you on the sqlite bindings bug, i ran through the try server and got failures across except for my platform :(
  2001. # [22:20] <Yoric> :/
  2002. # [22:21] <Yoric> If you need help parsing the errors, ping me.
  2003. # [22:21] <Yoric> Just not today :)
  2004. # [22:21] <yzen> Yoric: hah sounds good, ill catch you earlier next time :)
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  2028. # [22:46] <IanN> seeing Yoric makes me think of Shakespeare
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  2036. # [22:52] <josh> philor: what does your "c;r" comment mean on tbpl?
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  2038. # [22:53] <gaston> josh: 'crap test;restarted' or something like that :)
  2039. # [22:54] <philor> josh: "clobbered; retriggered"
  2040. # [22:54] <philor> crap I spell out
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  2042. # [22:55] <marco> Mossop: ping
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  2044. # [22:56] <Mossop> marco: pong
  2045. # [22:56] <marco> Mossop: hey, do you remember the problem about the branding in the webapp runtime?
  2046. # [22:56] <Mossop> Vaguely
  2047. # [22:56] <marco> Mossop: the problem was that toolkit modules are importing the branding locale files
  2048. # [22:57] <marco> that in the webapp runtime are missing
  2049. # [22:57] <Mossop> Yep
  2050. # [22:57] <marco> so, the problem is that sometimes we want to use Firefox's branding, sometimes the app branding
  2051. # [22:58] <marco> for example for the plugin blocklist, we want to show that the actor of the blocking is Firefox
  2052. # [22:58] <marco> for downloads, we want to show the app name
  2053. # [22:58] <Mossop> Oof
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  2056. # [23:01] <marco> the only idea I had is explicitly checking in toolkit modules whether we're in the webapp runtime or not
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  2058. # [23:01] <marco> Mossop: do you think that'd be acceptable?
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  2061. # [23:02] <Mossop> marco: I forget where we ended up. Was the plan for the webapp runtime to have its own brand.dtd and properties file?
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  2064. # [23:03] <marco> Mossop: at the beginning you suggested to create the webapp branding at runtime and use it
  2065. # [23:03] <marco> the problem is that we don't always want the webapp branding
  2066. # [23:04] <firebot> Check-in:
  2067. # [23:04] <marco> in some modules we want the Firefox branding, in other we want the webapp branding
  2068. # [23:04] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/4cae3629b4b5 - Josh Aas - Bug 923945: Fix a memory leak when fetching OS X system color space. Also move system color space retrieval code from deprecated Color Manager APIs to Core Graphics. r=mstange
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  2071. # [23:09] <Mossop> marco: Well it's still an option, we would just have the ones you care about use a different set of branding files to the main app ones. When running in the main app the two branding files look the same. I think that's what I'd prefer but if that is an issue then we can think of an alternative way to handle branding for those cases
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  2074. # [23:10] <marco> Mossop: if toolkit loads chrome://branding/locale/brand.dtd
  2075. # [23:10] <marco> this URL will point to a single file
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  2077. # [23:11] <Mossop> Right, I'm saying there could be a second url we use for some of the cases
  2078. # [23:11] <Mossop> chrome://branding/locale/app-brand.dtd or something
  2079. # [23:11] <marco> ah I see
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  2081. # [23:11] <marco> and in Firefox the two URLs would point to the same resource
  2082. # [23:11] <Mossop> The main app can just override that url with chrome://branding/locale/brand.dtd in the manifest so they both return the same
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  2085. # [23:14] <marco> I like the idea
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  2123. # [23:50] <bkelly> more b2g related bustage in bug 924129
  2124. # [23:50] <bkelly> related to this m-i merge: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/f191c70fcbfb
  2125. # [23:50] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/c71976ef849f - Gregory Szorc - NO BUG - Build docs for text preprocessor and jar manifests
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