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# [00:00] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/31aab4ccfcbe - Dale Harvey - Bug 923081 - Dont run contextmenu timer for remote events
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# [00:00] <Ghost_Of_MNG> Why did you murder me?! Why would you use strawmanning against me, philor? How do I deserve the ire that is pointed at someone else?
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# [00:03] <nigelb> haha
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# [15:13] <vikash> gcp, sure
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# [15:18] <Waldo> froydnj: I should have requested your commit messages be "don't use JBPW for bit array", "don't...for the other bit array", "...other other bit array" :-(
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# [15:21] <froydnj> Waldo: heh
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# [15:22] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/994c850a583a - EKR - Bug 922068 - Move ICE candidate retrieval to the STS thread. r=abr
# [15:22] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/fa67c55da0d5 - Sean Stangl - Bug 916511 - Prevent underflow in YARR. r=nbp
# [15:22] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/965b4f247f4b - Mina Almasry - Bug 863966 - Improve perf of querySelector by caching selector list. r=bz
# [15:22] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/6512d20b7d6f - Henry Chang - Bug 900847 - Add and implement nsINetworkManager::setDhcpServer. r=vchang
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# [15:24] * NeilAway idly wonders what smontagu's Accept-Language looks like (assuming it fits in an IRC line length limit)
# [15:25] <NeilAway> gcp: New option to what?
# [15:25] <NeilAway> gcp: oh I see now sorry for the noise
# [15:25] <smontagu> NeilAway: ATM it's barebones, I've had much longer ones in the past "he-il, he, en-UK, en-US, en"
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# [15:25] <smontagu> s/UK/GB/
# [15:26] <NeilAway> smontagu: en-UK?
# [15:27] <smontagu> NeilAway: see my next line
# [15:27] <NeilAway> smontagu: ah, sorry, was scrolled up slightly and missed it
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# [15:28] <smontagu> Milla Jovovich probably speaks en-UK
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# [15:37] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/b2e1c92b7e39 - Genti Tola - Bug 899495 - Correct the usage patterns of TestPermissionFromPrincipal in nsPermissionManager. r=mounir
# [15:37] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/c083b8cc5d2f - Gregory Szorc - Bug 924336 - Delete unused mozLock.pm. r=ted
# [15:37] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/36a709ae32db - Jan-Ivar Bruaroey - Bug 917328 - Part 1: Update PeerConnection's constraints to webidl. r=bz, r=jesup
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# [15:41] <vikash> gcp, Out of curiosity. Should I ask gerv on a personal email or a mailing list
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# [15:43] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/43a3626b2552 - Dan Gohman - Bug 924637 - Document a somewhat counterintuitive case in ExponentComponent, and add test coverage for it. r=waldo
# [15:43] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/a23f880b3bcb - Dan Gohman - Bug 924639 - Make jit_test.py print test names relative to the tests directory, for consistency. r=terrence
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# [15:53] <RyanVM> Ms2ger: ping
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# [15:53] <Ms2ger> RyanVM, heya
# [15:54] <RyanVM> Ms2ger: hi :)
# [15:54] <RyanVM> do you have that Try link handy for the beta run?
# [15:54] <Ms2ger> It's broken
# [15:54] <RyanVM> ah, nvm then :P
# [15:54] <Ms2ger> Seems like some file got lost
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# [15:54] <Ms2ger> I need to figure out why
# [15:54] <RyanVM> ok
# [15:54] * RyanVM will push to Aurora for now
# [15:54] <Ms2ger> Thanks!
# [15:55] <RyanVM> ty!
# [15:55] <Yoric> Does anyone know about the configuration of our Try servers?
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# [15:56] <RyanVM> Yoric: ?
# [15:56] <Yoric> Is /tmp on the same device as the profile?
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# [15:56] <Yoric> I need to run a test in which I copy/move files between devices.
# [15:56] <RyanVM> Yoric: probably better to ask in #releng
# [15:56] <Yoric> Good idea.
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# [15:59] <yzen> Yoric: ping
# [16:00] <Yoric> yzen: pong
# [16:00] <yzen> Yoric: just wondering if you have some time to chat about bug 853439?
# [16:00] <Yoric> yzen: Sure.
# [16:00] <Yoric> I have ~1/2h.
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# [16:02] <yzen> Yoric: so it looks like on some platforms it fails because some of the functions is not available, release memory i think
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# [16:02] <Yoric> Which function is not available?
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# [16:03] <Yoric> yzen: ^
# [16:03] <yzen> Yoric: Sqlite.db_release_memory
# [16:03] <yzen> on osx < 10.8
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# [16:03] <yzen> for example
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# [16:04] <yzen> Yoric: in most other cases it dies on init when I require the sqlite_internal inside worker
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# [16:05] <Yoric> Any error message?
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# [16:05] <yzen> Yoric: here's the short log for example : https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=28657033&tree=Try
# [16:05] <Yoric> Mmmh...
# [16:05] <Yoric> Looking at dxr, it looks like we never use db_release_memory, right?
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# [16:06] <Yoric> yzen: Also, the interesting error message is in field |message| of the WorkerErrorEvent.
# [16:07] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/9ff97dd09df4 - Ed Morley - Backed out changeset b2e1c92b7e39 (bug 899495) for build failures on a CLOSED TREE
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# [16:09] <yzen> Yoric: well the old sqlite module has shrinkMemory which i was thinking would be replaced by the above one
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# [16:10] <yzen> as far as i could tell they serve the same thing
# [16:10] <Yoric> yzen: Well, if you look at the implementation of |shrinkMemory|, it's "PRAGMA shrink_memory", which doesn't require a specific C call.
# [16:10] <yzen> right
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# [16:11] <Yoric> So I wouldn't worry about this specific problem.
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# [16:11] <Yoric> For the error, well, as mentioned, take a look at field |.message| of the WorkerErrorEvent.
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# [16:12] <yzen> Yoric: alright, ill give it a try
# [16:13] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/1ee91c4cf828 - Jeff Walden - Bug 908898 - Move the JS_PS{G,GS,_END} macros from jsobj.h into jsapi.h for general use. r=jorendorff, a=akeybl
# [16:13] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/2227eeec28d5 - Drew Willcoxon - Bug 555390 - Fix intermittent failure in browser_bug419612.js by waiting for location-change notification after tabs are removed. r=mak, a=test-only
# [16:13] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/7c831345f09e - Jeff Muizelaar - Bug 922807 - Always draw images with OVER. r=roc, a=akeybl
# [16:13] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/0592732e6f9a - Jeff Walden - Bug 897678 - Make worker code stop using propertyops, as a step toward removing propertyops altogether. r=mrbkap, a=akeybl
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# [16:13] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/e39cc05d5b24 - Raymond Lee - Bug 811287 - Intermittent test_bookmarks_html_corrupt.js | null != null. r=mak, a=test-only
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# [16:16] <RyanVM> jimm: roughly 1000 Ru runs so far, but I've got it down to a 174-cset merge :P
# [16:16] <jimm> :)
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# [16:17] <RyanVM> jimm: gonna be really disappointed if nobody takes this up after I find the regressor
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# [16:18] <jimm> whoever landed the offending changes needs to look at it
# [16:18] <davidb> RyanVM: what is your workflow? do you use bisect?
# [16:18] <RyanVM> davidb: Try
# [16:18] <RyanVM> lots of Try
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# [16:18] <davidb> RyanVM: how do you pick the change sets?
# [16:18] <RyanVM> hg revert, push to Try
# [16:18] <RyanVM> I get a rough regression range off when the bug was filed
# [16:18] <RyanVM> in this case, I went back about a week from there
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# [16:19] <RyanVM> then good old binary analysis
# [16:19] <davidb> so you educationally cherry pick
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# [16:19] <davidb> yeah ok
# [16:19] <davidb> cool
# [16:19] <RyanVM> i will cherry pick now that I've got it down to a specific merge
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# [16:19] * davidb nods
# [16:20] <RyanVM> ooo, webgl stuff in this merge
# [16:20] <RyanVM> bleh, lots of gfx changes in this
# [16:20] <RyanVM> onward and upward
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# [16:21] <RyanVM> davidb: i also have an hg alias that I just feed the try syntax and rev and it does all the reverting and try pushing
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# [16:22] <davidb> RyanVM: don't we have builds lying around?
# [16:22] <davidb> we used to have hourly or so
# [16:22] <RyanVM> not that far back
# [16:22] <davidb> ah
# [16:23] <RyanVM> this regressed in early july
# [16:23] <RyanVM> tbpl only stores data for 30 days
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# [16:25] <jimm> davidb: he's trying to track down a sporadic test failure
# [16:25] <davidb> yuck
# [16:25] <RyanVM> a *very* sporadic failure
# [16:25] <davidb> double yuck
# [16:25] <RyanVM> like 100+ retriggers needed on a push to hit it sometimes
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# [16:28] <RyanVM> edmorley|sheriffduty: |hg try-bisect "try: -b o -p win32 -u reftest-no-accel[Windows 7,6.2] -t none" f8ce7dca775d| :D
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# [16:28] <edmorley|sheriffduty> RyanVM: :-)
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# [16:30] <RyanVM> edmorley|sheriffduty: thinking I should probably do this type of thing more often
# [16:30] <RyanVM> probably will now
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# [16:31] <edmorley|sheriffduty> RyanVM: https://hg.mozilla.org/users/robarnold_cmu.edu/qimportbz/ ;-)
# [16:31] <edmorley|sheriffduty> :-)
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# [16:32] <RyanVM> heh
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# [16:33] <RyanVM> edmorley|sheriffduty: the real question is whether I'll actually get more traction on getting a bug fixed if I can pinpoint the exact regressor - still need someone to to care
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# [16:33] <RyanVM> edmorley|sheriffduty: though we could also fall back on "back out for causing new orange" if it's recent enough
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# [16:35] <edmorley|sheriffduty> RyanVM: indeed :-)
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# [16:36] <@bsmedberg> edmorley|sheriffduty: is inbound really still open?
# [16:36] * @bsmedberg sees much redness
# [16:36] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/a1c2b374bc94 - Jukka Jylänki - Bug 924264 - Fix WebGL.getUniform on non-first array entry in uniform arrays - r=bjacob
# [16:36] <RyanVM> bsmedberg: backed out, no?
# [16:36] <edmorley|sheriffduty> bsmedberg: there's a backout -r -2
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# [16:40] <firebot> Check-in:
# [16:40] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/3a80cca1ae52 - Benjamin Smedberg - Bug 921046 - Implement a retry loop when locking the profile on startup, so that if a previous instance is shutting down, we will just start with a slight delay,
# [16:40] <firebot> r=Mossop r=froydnj
# [16:40] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/f4e5285b5cd1 - Arun - Bug 881237- Unlock mLock before logging, r=bsmedberg
# [16:41] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/7c914b3e8d27 - Markus Stange - Bug 923133 - Remove unneeded main thread GL context management in -[ChildView lockFocus]. r=mattwoodrow
# [16:41] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/e6fdf5fd28c5 - Markus Stange - Bug 923114 - Clear the current GL context when we're about to destroy it. r=mattwoodrow
# [16:41] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/b0700255080c - Markus Stange - Bug 914437 - Don't composite windows that are not open. r=mattwoodrow
# [16:41] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/1f436fd67cdb - Markus Stange - Bug 886999 - Only call setView and update on the GL context when necessary. r=mattwoodrow
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# [16:41] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/058c2432bff5 - Markus Stange - Bug 886999 - Wait until composition has finished before tearing down our NSView. r=mattwoodrow
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# [16:42] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/3f053c13cf4e - Markus Stange - Bug 914437 - Also refuse to render when our view is not attached to a window. r=mattwoodrow
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# [16:50] <froydnj> mstange: do you have a link to the try run with bug 914437 + bug 859339?
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# [16:53] <mstange> froydnj: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=cc4e6098c426
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# [16:53] <froydnj> mstange: cool, thanks
# [16:53] <froydnj> mstange: also, ++ for landing bug 914437
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# [16:54] <mstange> :)
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# [17:04] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/13e137874d08 - Milan Sreckovic - Bug 916535 - Avoid using repeating gradients for tiling when it won't work. r=roc, a=akeybl
# [17:04] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/0acf518182af - Matt Woodrow - Bug 903296 - Copy the entire device pixel size of MacIOSurface when reading back to an image surface. r=BenWa, a=akeybl
# [17:04] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/0760d9fa7bc4 - Ben Turner - Bug 890841 - Intermittent dom/workers/test/test_closeOnGC.html | application crashed [@ libsystem_c.dylib + 0x19bd9]. r=sicking, a=akeybl
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# [17:06] <froydnj> does anybody know what we default our character set to on Windows (e.g. what TCHAR actually winds up being)?
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# [17:15] <NeilAway> when is Gecko going to handle background plugin updates
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# [17:36] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/06a14dd30924 - Dan Gohman - Bug 924649 - IonMonkey: Implement extraName() for several LInstruction subclasses. r=jandem
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# [17:37] <mbrubeck> No new Talos regressions detected since before the summit! Did someone fix performance or something? ;)
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# [17:37] <mbrubeck> (alternately, did someone break the graph server?)
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# [17:40] <jmaher> mbrubeck: interesting observation; no big changes in talos- not sure about the graph server though
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# [17:41] <mbrubeck> (the graph server *did* continue to detect the Linux graphics regressions as they got merged from tree to tree)
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# [17:56] <NeilAway> bsmedberg: well, in this case the browser hadn't completely locked up, but script was trying to access the plugin which wouldn't start and this involved a sync start delay every time
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# [17:57] <NeilAway> bsmedberg: and after using the debugger to tell Gecko to switch the plugin from loaded back to click-to-play it did at least let me close the tab
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# [17:57] <@bsmedberg> NeilAway: sorry, what has that got to do with background updates? I'm a little confused.
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# [17:58] <NeilAway> bsmedberg: well, when you get a "plugin ain't there" assertion it's always been because the plugin got updated in the background
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# [18:04] <gfritzsche> NeilAway: so, you are hitting one of the "infinite timeouts in debug build while waiting for plugin start" because of flash getting updated in the background?
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# [18:07] <firebot> Check-in:
# [18:07] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/8fa0cbe4a54d - Boris Zbarsky - Bug 817194. Make WebIDL dictionary types sanely initialized by default; add a new Fast subclass to handle cases when we can skip the initialization safely. r=khuey
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# [18:13] <NeilAway> gfritzsche: it's not infinite any more, but it hits every time script tries to access the plugin... I made the mistake of hitting Continue on the slow script warning
# [18:14] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/c70064cbf84c - Ed Morley - Backed out changeset 8ecb68f17618 (bug 909129) for causing bug 924959
# [18:15] <gfritzsche> NeilAway: oh :( i think we have a bug open on your earlier issue(s) with something like that?
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# [18:16] <NeilAway> gfritzsche: yeah, I think I may have set a pref to stop it from being infinite
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# [18:18] <gfritzsche> NeilAway: ah, right - that was the pref being set to "infinite" in debug. so we should have a bug that NeedsLookingAt(tm)
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# [18:19] <bz> Fixing the red
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# [18:22] <bz> edmorley: ping
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# [18:23] <edmorley|sheriffduty> bz: hi (my IRC client only highlights on full nick, sorry)
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# [18:25] <@smaug> hmm, bool variable use in two threads
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# [18:26] <jryans> are windows build parallel by default, or do i need to set MOZ_MAKE_FLAGS?
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# [18:26] <edmorley|sheriffduty> jryans: all builds using mach are by default
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# [18:27] <jryans> okay, thanks!
# [18:27] <edmorley|sheriffduty> (and possibly non-mach, but I can't remember)
# [18:27] <@dolske> smaug: Guess we haven't removed use of PR_TRUE_WAIT_NO_I_CHANGED_MY_MIND there yet.
# [18:27] <TimAbraldes> non-mach can't be parallele
# [18:28] <TimAbraldes> some issue with make on windows
# [18:28] <TimAbraldes> *parallel
# [18:28] <TimAbraldes> that's why we use pymake
# [18:28] <edmorley|sheriffduty> TimAbraldes: pymake works fine parallel, that's make
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# [18:28] <edmorley|sheriffduty> TimAbraldes: non-mach != make
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# [18:28] <edmorley|sheriffduty> TimAbraldes: mach is a wrapper script
# [18:28] <bz> edmorley|sheriffduty: Is it ok if I just cancel the I-know-they'll-be-red builds on m-i?
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# [18:28] <edmorley|sheriffduty> bz: sure :-)
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# [18:28] * bz can't recall whether canceling stuff there works now
# [18:28] <TimAbraldes> edmorley|sheriffduty: I guess I assumed too much :)
# [18:29] <edmorley|sheriffduty> bz: on the whole, yes
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# [18:29] <edmorley|sheriffduty> bz: cancelling pending (queued and not started) jobs can sometimes cancel the wrong job if it's later coalesced, but meh :-)
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# [18:30] <edmorley|sheriffduty> the tbpl UI only shows the 'X' for job types that are safe to cancel fwiw
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# [18:30] <froydnj> what's the bold new way to execute xpcshell tests nowadays
# [18:31] <mbrubeck> froydnj: mach xpcshell-test path/to/test
# [18:31] <froydnj> mbrubeck: mach from the objdir?
# [18:32] <mbrubeck> froydnj: "mach" is in the srcdir, but you can run it from anywhere in srcdir or objdir
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# [18:32] <mbrubeck> more info on that at https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Developer_Guide/mach#Adding_mach_to_your_shell%27s_search_path
# [18:32] <froydnj> mbrubeck: I can run the srcdir copy from the objdir and it dtrt?
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# [18:32] <froydnj> (not using mozconfigs)
# [18:32] <bz> froydnj: yes
# [18:33] <bz> froydnj: In fact, it's the only sane way to deal with multiple objdirs. :(
# [18:33] <froydnj> and if I have no mach in the objdir?
# [18:33] <froydnj> oh, wait, nm
# [18:33] <froydnj> sigh
# [18:33] <mbrubeck> add it to your path, or use the full path
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# [18:33] <bz> froydnj: Also, hopefully you don't need to run under a debugger...
# [18:33] <mbrubeck> s/your path/your PATH/
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# [18:34] <froydnj> and cool, normal make doesn't install tests anymore
# [18:35] <froydnj> hm, this is not working, mach complains about install-tests target
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# [18:37] <ekr> I am trying to use the httpd.js test server in a mochitest, but the example I am working from uses do_get_file() which does not seem to work in mochitest-chrome. Is there a replacement? Advice? Example?
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# [18:37] <dholbert> mbrubeck, s/your PATH/YOUR PATH/
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# [18:38] <mbrubeck> dholbert: s/mbrubeck/MBRUBECK/
# [18:39] <dholbert> :)
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# [18:45] <edmorley|sheriffduty> bz: still burning sadly
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# [18:47] <mwargers> mayhemer, ping?
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# [18:47] <mayhemer> mwargers: yep?
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# [18:49] <mwargers> mayhemer, hi, just a fyi, I've got some of the offline tests working in b2g
# [18:49] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/a535608cea81 - Ed Morley - Backed out changeset ccedb8b1cefc (bug 817194)
# [18:49] <mayhemer> mwargers: oh, cool, how?
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# [18:49] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/c062bb25ff57 - Ed Morley - Backed out changeset 8fa0cbe4a54d (bug 817194) for build failures
# [18:50] <dholbert> RyanVM, should I bother deleting the c:\mozilla-build directory before I install an upgraded version?
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# [18:50] <edmorley|sheriffduty> bz: had to backout since there were soon going to be more landings on top, sorry
# [18:50] <dholbert> RyanVM, (or alternately: is there another uninstall process I should go through before installing an upgraded version of mozillabuild?)
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# [18:50] <Mossop> dholbert: You can generally just delete the mozillabuild directory, that is all it installs
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# [18:51] <dholbert> Mossop, ok, thanks. yeah, didn't see an uninstall option in add/remove, so was hoping that'd be kosher
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# [18:51] <Mossop> Is there a new mozillabuild out?
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# [18:51] <mwargers> mayhemer, I tried to follow your suggestions in bug 871323, comment 9, but I ended up just randomly hacking to fix the problems I encountered. I'll probably need to rewrite the whole thing that I did
# [18:51] <dholbert> Mossop, no, I'm just behind the times
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# [18:51] <cabanier> RyanVM: can you checkin https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=540456?
# [18:51] <khuey> 1.7 is the latest
# [18:52] <dholbert> khuey, https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.dev.platform/_9U6160_oyA/discussion disagrees with you
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# [18:52] <dholbert> 1.8 is the New Hotness (as of August)
# [18:52] <mwargers> mayhemer, but I'll attach what I have now to the bug
# [18:52] <RyanVM> cabanier: eventually, yes
# [18:52] <cabanier> :-)
# [18:52] <khuey> orly?
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# [18:52] <dholbert> khuey, yarly. seealso https://wiki.mozilla.org/MozillaBuild
# [18:52] <RyanVM> rly
# [18:52] <khuey> oh, right
# [18:52] <mwargers> mayhemer, I have some test failures in regular Firefox desktop now, which is concerning
# [18:52] <khuey> I didn't want to fuck up my git install
# [18:52] <khuey> so I skipped that one
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# [18:53] <khuey> RyanVM: also how the hell did you let yourself get tricked into owning mozillabuild?
# [18:53] <RyanVM> khuey: heh
# [18:53] <edmorley|sheriffduty> RyanVM: looking like the Android 2.2 jsreftest-3 oranges on inbound are different from the normal reftest null ones
# [18:53] <edmorley|sheriffduty> RyanVM: have retriggered a number of jobs
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# [18:54] <RyanVM> edmorley|sheriffduty: the "regressor" seems a bit odd for that
# [18:54] <mayhemer> mwargers: I may help if needed
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# [18:55] <edmorley|sheriffduty> khuey: I could say the same about you and indexeddb (or the build system)... ;-)
# [18:55] <RyanVM> cabanier: don't worry about it for this one, but in the future, marking old patches as obsolete is helpful :)
# [18:55] <mwargers> mayhemer, thanks, appreciated. I just need to look at it some more myself, probably
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# [18:56] <mayhemer> mwargers: at least, I'm curious how you've fixed that ;)
# [18:57] <cabanier> RyanVM: ok. wasn't sure if that was needed to see the r+'s
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# [18:57] <bz> ugh
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# [18:57] <RyanVM> cabanier: nah, I just click the "Show obsolete" link :)
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# [18:57] <RyanVM> I prefer doing that to avoid the ambiguity of deciding on what needs landing
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# [18:57] <bz> edmorley: hrm. This built for me....
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# [18:58] <cbutcher> hello. i've submitted a bug report and a patch for it. how do i request a developer review it? through the bugzilla interface, or just by emailing a developer who looks like they work on that code?
# [18:58] <cbutcher> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=924723#add_comment
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# [18:59] <bz> edmorley: This looks like build system shenanigans. :(
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# [18:59] <bz> edmorley: picking up the wrong headers
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# [18:59] <RyanVM> bz: say it ain't so
# [19:00] <bz> RyanVM: it is so
# [19:00] <mbrubeck> cbutcher: Open the attachment "details" page, set the "review" flag to "?" and enter a reviewer.
# [19:00] <bz> RyanVM: it's seeing the .cpp with my changes but the .h without
# [19:00] <mbrubeck> cbutcher: If you need help choosing a reviewer (or finding their bugzilla ID), let us know...
# [19:00] <bz> RyanVM: presumably only an issue on Windows, where install doesn't symlink....
# [19:00] <bz> RyanVM: and didn't show up on try because ... clobber
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# [19:00] <RyanVM> bz: that sucks
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# [19:00] <bz> RyanVM: Yes, yes, it does.
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# [19:00] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/8517afe50156 - Rik Cabanier - Bug 540456 - Support HTML5 canvas draw{Custom,System}FocusRing(). r=smaug
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# [19:01] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/d72778f6eee9 - André Reinald - Bug 868648 - Make window overlay scrollbars appear/disappear when 2 fingers down/up trackpad. r=mstange, r=masayuki
# [19:01] * bz relands with clobber, files bug
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# [19:01] <edmorley|sheriffduty> bz: ty
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# [19:01] <mbrubeck> cbutcher: For that patch, you could enter :mak in the requestee field.
# [19:01] <edmorley|sheriffduty> RyanVM: the range I have been looking at is https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Mozilla-Inbound&jobname=2.*jsreftest-3&tochange=3a80cca1ae52&fromchange=a669196fca85 btw
# [19:01] <edmorley|sheriffduty> RyanVM: good to take over?
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# [19:02] <cbutcher> thanks mbrubeck
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# [19:02] <edmorley|sheriffduty> bz: guessing bug 923545 then
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# [19:02] <RyanVM> cbutcher: thank you!
# [19:02] <RyanVM> edmorley|sheriffduty: sure
# [19:02] <cbutcher> of course :)
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# [19:03] <mwargers> In oop, when I set permissions, I sometimes have to reload a document or iframe before the permission changes are enforced, why is that?
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# [19:05] <cbutcher> mbrubeck: just to make sure i follow the process, you suggested :mak review it because he submitted the patch that caused the regression?
# [19:05] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> seems fair
# [19:05] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> he's also a peer for that module
# [19:05] <cbutcher> gotcha
# [19:05] <@bsmedberg> mwargers: "oop"?
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# [19:06] <mbrubeck> cbutcher: I hadn't noticed that; I suggested him because he's written and reviewed a lot of the code in that file.
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# [19:06] <cbutcher> great thanks mbrubeck. may i ask how you determined he worked on that file alot? using a 'blame' page in bugzilla?
# [19:06] <cbutcher> i'd like to be able to know that for next time :D
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# [19:08] <mwargers> bsmedberg, out of process, multi-process
# [19:08] <@bsmedberg> mwargers: out of process *what*? plugins? content?
# [19:08] <@bsmedberg> I think you need more details in your question
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# [19:08] <mwargers> bsmedberg, content
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# [19:09] <froydnj> hm, why would xpcshell be exiting with exit code 3 on linux all the time?
# [19:09] <mwargers> bsmedberg, what details would you like? I get this problem with the 'offline-app' permission, for example. But I think there are more
# [19:09] <froydnj> bsmedberg: ^ ?
# [19:10] <firebot> Check-in:
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# [19:10] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/04d774d42e1b - Boris Zbarsky - Bug 817194. Make WebIDL dictionary types sanely initialized by default; add a new Fast subclass to handle cases when we can skip the initialization safely. r=khuey
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# [19:11] <@bsmedberg> froydnj: not sure offhand, but in a debugger you could set a watchpoint on gExitCode
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# [19:12] <froydnj> bsmedberg: aha, the modules directory doesn't exist, apparently
# [19:13] <@bsmedberg> that would probably do it
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# [19:33] <bz> grr
# [19:33] <bz> what's the magic incantation to disable crashreporter crap in opt builds? :(
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# [19:34] <@smaug> there is some env variable...
# [19:34] <@smaug> just a sec
# [19:34] <@smaug> MOZ_CRASHREPORTER_DISABLE=1
# [19:34] <@smaug> bz: ^
# [19:34] <bz> smaug: thanks
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# [19:38] <alungu> bz: ping
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# [19:40] <bz> alungu: ack
# [19:40] <alungu> bz: did u have any time to take a look over the resource timing patches?
# [19:41] <bz> alungu: not yet
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# [19:41] <bz> alungu: I'm going to try to get to it by Friday, but no guarantees. :(
# [19:41] <bz> alungu: fwiw, it sounds like Honza is on top of it, so I suggest getting him to OK them first....
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# [19:42] <alungu> bz: ok. I will ask Honza to review the other patches as well
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# [19:44] <alungu> bz: np
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# [19:49] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> bent|brb: Going to narrow down the regression range on that indexeddb sqlite crash
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# [19:57] <bz> RyanVM|sheriffduty: ugh
# [19:57] <bz> RyanVM|sheriffduty: Looking into the windows red....
# [19:57] <kk1fff> jgriffin: ping
# [19:57] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> hah, just pinged you the wrong channel
# [19:57] <jgriffin> kk1fff: pong
# [19:58] <bz> RyanVM|sheriffduty: This was green on try a week ago. :(
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# [19:59] <bz> mmmm
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# [19:59] <kk1fff> jgriffin: hi, can I ask a question about test on b2g?
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# [20:00] <jgriffin> kk1fff: sure!
# [20:00] <bz> could be 'mozilla::detail'
# [20:00] <bz> or 'mozilla::dom::detail'
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# [20:00] <kk1fff> is mochitest on b2g able to run in chrome process?
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# [20:01] <jgriffin> no, mochitests run in a content process for B2G, although they can access some chrome via SpecialPowers
# [20:01] <bz> RyanVM|sheriffduty: one second
# [20:01] <froydnj> bz: <3 namespaces
# [20:01] <kk1fff> jgriffin: I see. Thank you!
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# [20:02] <jgriffin> kk1fff: what are you trying to do with mochitest?
# [20:02] <bz> Well, so
# [20:02] <bz> I can work around this
# [20:02] <bz> but why is it even being a problem??
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# [20:03] <bz> That is, why does TypeTraits.h see the mozilla::dom::detail at all?
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# [20:04] <kk1fff> jgriffin: I am trying a test case to test to creation of a new process. Like test case in dom/browser-element/mochitests/priority/
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# [20:05] <kk1fff> jgriffin: s/trying a/trying to write a/
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# [20:06] <bz> froydnj: I mean, it seems to be looking at the possible values of "detail" at the template instantiation point
# [20:06] <kk1fff> jgriffin: It will need to observe in chrome process.
# [20:06] <jgriffin> yeah that approach may not work with B2G, since the mochitests are already running in a child process
# [20:06] <bz> froydnj: not the template declaration point
# [20:06] <froydnj> bz: yeah...what's the error?
# [20:06] <jgriffin> and we don't (yet?) supported nested child processes
# [20:06] <bz> froydnj: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=28885003&tree=Mozilla-Inbound&full=1#error0
# [20:07] <bz> froydnj: basically, it's seeing mozilla::dom::detail as somehow being in scope at TypeTraits.h ?
# [20:07] <bz> e:\builds\moz2_slave\m-in-w32_g-0000000000000000000\build\obj-firefox\dist\include\mozilla/TypeTraits.h(377) : error C2872: 'detail' : ambiguous symbol
# [20:07] <bz> could be 'mozilla::detail'
# [20:07] <bz> or 'mozilla::dom::detail'
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# [20:08] <bz> I mean, the obvious "solution" is to use mozilla::dom::dictionarydetail or something
# [20:08] <bz> but that's dumb...
# [20:08] * bz does that in the interests of the tree getting reopened.
# [20:08] <bz> or at least not closed.
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# [20:10] <froydnj> bz: yeah. this is msvc and template lookup bugginess
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# [20:10] <bz> ok
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# [20:10] <bz> Any better workarounds?
# [20:10] <froydnj> not really
# [20:10] <bz> (I mean, would doing "namespace dom {" instead of "using mozilla:dom" help?)
# [20:11] <bz> (and this code uses #pragma once too, boo)
# [20:11] <froydnj> all sorts of fun
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# [20:11] <froydnj> I think full qualification and/or non-conflicting detail namespaces are probably the way to go
# [20:11] <froydnj> I'm guessing "namespace dom {" isn't going to help much
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# [20:13] <jwir3> firebot uuid
# [20:13] <firebot> 0e4f2b36-7ab8-43c5-b912-5c311566297c (/msg firebot cid for CID form)
# [20:13] <firebot> Check-in:
# [20:13] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/036ac2eefb65 - Boris Zbarsky - Bug 817194 followup to work around emergent namespace+template MSVC bugginess: it was seeing mozilla::dom::detail in TypeTraits.h because it looks at namespaces at
# [20:13] <firebot> template _instantiation_, not declaration. Or something. Leading, of course, to a CLOSED TREE.
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# [20:14] <abr> bz: That's an impressive commit comment.
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# [20:15] <kk1fff> jgriffin: okay. I think I can continue without running test case in chrome. Just to make confirm before changing the approach. :)
# [20:16] <jgriffin> great
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# [20:16] <josh> when is the next merge to m-c?
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# [20:17] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> josh: hard to say, trying to track down a couple issues at the moment
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# [20:17] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> anything in particular you're looking for?
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# [20:18] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> cabanier: ping
# [20:18] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> mstange: ping
# [20:18] <mstange> RyanVM|sheriffduty: pong
# [20:18] <josh> RyanVM|sheriffduty: no, more just curious what the normal schedule is
# [20:18] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> mstange: trying to track down some OSX M2 timeouts
# [20:18] <mstange> RyanVM|sheriffduty: which ones?
# [20:19] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> started around the time of your push
# [20:19] <mstange> ok
# [20:19] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=28884953&tree=Mozilla-Inbound
# [20:19] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> but your push was on other osx bustage, so I don't know for sure when it actually started
# [20:19] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> but yours seems the most likely to have osx-specific issues of the ones that landed around then?
# [20:20] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> josh: we usually try to get one morning european time and afternoon/evening PT
# [20:20] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> and any others if opportunity presents itself
# [20:20] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> i'll probably merge b-i and fx-team over soon, but inbound may be awhile
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# [20:21] <mstange> RyanVM|sheriffduty: I may well be the culprit here, yes
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# [20:21] <mstange> RyanVM|sheriffduty: let me quickly see if I can reproduce them locally
# [20:21] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> ok, thanks
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# [20:21] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> looks like 10.6/10.7 only
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# [20:21] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> and not entirely perma-fail, but close
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# [20:24] <bz> abr: hmm?
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# [20:31] <mstange> RyanVM|sheriffduty: mochitest is not working for me locally at the moment, can you please backout both of my pushes?
# [20:31] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> mstange: ok
# [20:31] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> thanks
# [20:31] <mstange> thanks
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# [20:33] <abr> bz: I was talking about "Bug 817194 followup to work around emergent namespace+template MSVC bugginess: it was seeing mozilla::dom::detail in TypeTraits.h because it looks at namespaces at template _instantiation_, not declaration. Or something. Leading, of course, to a CLOSED TREE."
# [20:34] <firebot> Check-in:
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# [20:34] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/3eefb8a63b65 - Ryan VanderMeulen - Backed out 8 changesets (bug 914437, bug 886999, bug 890997, bug 923114, bug 923133) for suspicion of causing frequent OSX mochitest-2 timeouts on a CLOSED TREE.
# [20:34] <bz> abr: right, but what about it? ;)
# [20:34] <abr> Just that I found it surprisingly detailed. :)
# [20:34] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> mstange: need me to comment the various bugs?
# [20:35] <mstange> RyanVM|sheriffduty: not necessary, I haven't commented in them that I've landed on mozilla-inbound
# [20:35] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> ok
# [20:35] <mstange> has anybody seen the error message "System JS : ERROR (null):0" when running mochitests locally?
# [20:36] <mstange> on Mac
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# [20:36] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> pretty sure those are "normal"
# [20:36] <mstange> oh
# [20:36] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> as in, scattered throughout the logs
# [20:36] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> you can take a look at a green TBPL run to confirm
# [20:36] * RyanVM|sheriffduty is waiting on more reftest results before pushing a fuzzy-if patch on cabanier's patch
# [20:37] <mstange> ok, so this is what I see when I try to run mochitests locally: https://pastebin.mozilla.org/3225303
# [20:37] <bz> abr: Ah. I try. ;)
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# [20:37] <@ehsan> is bugzilla down for everybody?
# [20:37] <Ms2ger> ehsan, wfm
# [20:37] <qDot> wfm
# [20:37] <abr> ehsan: I can get to it
# [20:38] <@ehsan> huh
# [20:38] <@ehsan> yeah it's working again it seems
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# [20:47] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> jimm: i've got a good possible suspect in a relatively narrow range now :)
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# [20:50] <jimm> RyanVM|sheriffduty: webgl related landing?
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# [20:50] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> opengl
# [20:50] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> jimm: can't prove it yet, but https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/46f85b38be9b is smack in the middle of the current range
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# [20:52] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> jimm: it says it's OSX-only, though
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# [20:52] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> mattwoodrow: ohai
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# [20:53] <mattwoodrow> RyanVM|sheriffduty: hi!
# [20:53] <mattwoodrow> This is one of those 'but I didn't land anything!' moments
# [20:54] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> mattwoodrow: heh
# [20:54] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> I'm actually trying to track down an intermittent orange that goes back to early July
# [20:54] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> bug 892990
# [20:54] <mayhemer> alungu: so, you want r or f ?
# [20:54] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> it's infrequent, so narrowing it down has been a pain
# [20:55] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> but I'm reasonably confident that this range is correct - https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/pushloghtml?fromchange=f8ce7dca775d&tochange=c041f85c09d9
# [20:55] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> still trying to get it further
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# [20:55] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> mattwoodrow: wondering if bug 890950 might possibly affect windows even if the patch says it's for OSX
# [20:55] <@smaug> Asa: stop spamming :)
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# [20:57] <mattwoodrow> RyanVM|sheriffduty: nah, it really couldn't affect windows sorry
# [20:57] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> ok, thanks
# [20:57] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> anything else in that range look possible to you by chance?
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# [20:57] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> hmm, bug 890573 maybe?
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# [20:59] <mattwoodrow> RyanVM|sheriffduty: don't think so, reftests won't have chrome privileges
# [20:59] <mattwoodrow> I can't see any reason that test would time out
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# [21:00] <mjrosenb> philor: ping?
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# [21:01] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> mattwoodrow: "thanks" :P
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# [21:02] <mjrosenb> RyanVM|sheriffduty: or was it you that pinged me yesterday about bustage on cedar?
# [21:02] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> mjrosenb: wasn't me
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# [21:03] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> mattwoodrow: guess I'll just wait on the try runs then :)
# [21:03] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> i'll have it by the end of the day
# [21:04] <mjrosenb> philor: guess it was you. Did you file a bug for the cedar failures?
# [21:04] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> mattwoodrow: i can say with high confidence that the range above is correct
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# [21:05] <philor> mjrosenb: no, but somebody said, um, somewhere that it was filed from fuzzing
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# [21:06] <philor> or maybe that was something else among the range of delights that debug android has to offer :)
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# [21:06] <qDot> RyanVM|sheriffduty: Hey, nice meeting you for like, 8 seconds at summit! :D
# [21:07] <philor> mjrosenb: so, depends on whether the crashing is related to the assertion, because the assertion is bug 879647
# [21:07] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> qDot: heh :)
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# [21:07] <mattwoodrow> RyanVM|sheriffduty: That error message is because the application hung, rather than the reftest harness timing out, right?
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# [21:07] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> mattwoodrow: yes
# [21:07] <Yoric> MattN: ping
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# [21:07] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> the 330s is the test hanging
# [21:08] <mjrosenb> philor: I'll look into that one as well, but the cedar failure is from a commit on Wed Sep 18 2013, so not related to the fuzzing failure.
# [21:08] <KWierso|afk> RyanVM|sheriffduty: this one
# [21:08] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> mattwoodrow: fwiw - Try run on f8ce7dca775d - https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=f8af84122c41
# [21:09] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> mattwoodrow: Try run on c041f85c09d9 - https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=fee8301cd15d
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# [21:09] <Ms2ger> KWierso|afk, so KWierso|afk afk is not afk, but KWierso and KWierso_ are?
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# [21:09] <Ms2ger> And that's an afk too many
# [21:09] <KWierso|afk> Ms2ger: apparently
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# [21:10] <abr> I thought it was an "I'm Sparticus" kind of thing.
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# [21:13] <shu> hm, dxr seems broken
# [21:13] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/541e79e84ce9 - Ryan VanderMeulen - Backed out changeset 8517afe50156 (bug 540456) for reftest failures.
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# [21:16] <Ms2ger> shu, more than otherwise?
# [21:16] <shu> Ms2ger: what?
# [21:16] <shu> oh
# [21:16] <shu> yes, more than otherwise
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# [21:16] <shu> the live search, for instance
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# [21:17] <shu> [object Object][object Object]
# [21:17] <Ms2ger> jcranmer, is that still you? ^
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# [21:18] <mjrosenb> oh great, GNU Make now has guile integration.
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# [21:19] <froydnj> \o/
# [21:19] <jcranmer> ask ErikRose?
# [21:21] <qDot> It'll go great with guilemacs.
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# [21:31] <froydnj> lexical-let4life
# [21:31] <humph> sheppy: ping
# [21:31] <sheppy> humph: pong
# [21:31] <humph> sheppy: what's mars' name that works on mdn?
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# [21:32] <humph> met him at summit, but only have that nickname
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# [21:32] <sheppy> humph: Maris Fogels
# [21:32] <humph> great, thanks
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# [21:43] <philor> goodbye, Mac SpiderMonkey! it's been... uh... tiresome to know you!
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# [21:48] <Yoric> There is an interesting link on lambda about how to achieve high-performance refcounting, if anybody's interested http://lambda-the-ultimate.org/node/4825
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# [21:53] <mjrosenb> Yoric: *print*?
# [21:54] <Yoric> mjrosenb: I *might* put in on the tablet.
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# [21:55] <mjrosenb> queston: how on earth do I build on osx? it is complaining that my complire doesn't support c++-1x
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# [21:55] <mjrosenb> I tried installing gcc-4.8 from macports, but that failed
# [21:55] <mjrosenb> do I need to upgrade xcode?
# [21:55] <mjrosenb> every time i've tried to do that I end up just re-installing the OS.
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# [21:57] <dholbert> mjrosenb, ./mach bootstrap will probably get you a working build env
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# [21:58] <dholbert> mjrosenb, IIRC the default clang that xcode gives you is too old, but there's a way to upgrade it (and mach bootstrap either does that for you or tells you how)
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# [21:58] <@dolske> you need to start up the Xcode app and update it from within that.
# [21:59] <mjrosenb> dholbert: well, I never got macports to actually install gcc.
# [21:59] <@dolske> it claims to auto-update, but it didn't through the usual system/appstore updater for me.
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# [22:08] <mbrubeck> Hmm, looks like we're getting some backlogged mail on dev-tree-management
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# [22:09] <froydnj> either that or the computer is super excited about the buildusage #s
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# [22:10] <philor> backlogged, yeah, the former sender domain disappeared
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# [22:12] <philor> well, "backlogged, no, resent because"
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# [22:19] <mbrubeck> philor: Does this have anything to do with the dearth of nobody@cruncher.build.mozilla.org emails?
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# [22:20] <mbrubeck> It looks like those were still working as late as two days ago, so probably not...
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# [22:24] <philor> mbrubeck: yeah, I'd guess those were just stalled waiting for enough pushes to exist to have something to talk about
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# [22:25] <mbrubeck> ah, and here's one just now
# [22:26] <mbrubeck> Looks like a nice Dromaeo win for mina!
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# [22:27] <bz> mbrubeck: yeah
# [22:27] <bz> mbrubeck: jquery microbenchmark wins all around. ;)
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# [22:28] <mbrubeck> We've got a cumulative improvement of about 25% on Dromaeo CSS over the past 6 months.
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# [22:29] <mina> :D
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# [22:30] <mina> although if anyone actually went to the bug they'd see how much bz helped lol
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# [22:36] <mrbkap> bz: Hey, do we have a wiki page somewhere explaining the basics of terms like "reflow" & layout in general?
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# [22:37] <bz> mrbkap: hmmm
# [22:37] <reuben> https://wiki.mozilla.org/Gecko:Overview#Layout
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# [22:37] <reuben> dunno how extensive/up-to-date that is
# [22:37] <mrbkap> bz: mchang was definitely just bitten by the "why are we 'reflowing' if nothing changed" misnomer :)
# [22:37] <dholbert> reuben++
# [22:37] <bz> mrbkap: What reuben has is a good start
# [22:38] <bz> It's pretty up to date (< 1 year)
# [22:38] <mrbkap> mchang: see reuben's link!
# [22:38] <bz> but not all that extensive for the non-layout parts
# [22:38] <mchang> mrbkap: bz reuben thx!
# [22:38] <bz> https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Introduction_to_Layout_in_Mozilla also has some info
# [22:38] <mchang> this is from 2007, http://blog.vlad1.com/2007/12/11/graphics-in-mozilla/ - any idea if still valid at all?
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# [22:39] <bz> Fwiw, the "if nothing changed" issue is probably "we don't know it didn't change"
# [22:39] <bz> mchang: the graphics stuff has changed a lot since then
# [22:39] <bz> mchang: it's describing the pre-cairo and post-cairo stuff...
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# [22:39] <bz> mchang: and we're almost done switching away from cairo now. ;)
# [22:39] <mchang> bz: lol i see :)
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# [22:43] <froydnj> RyanVM|afk: merging on CLOSED TREE, very daring
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# [22:44] <KWierso|sheriffduty> froydnj: honey badger sheriff cares not for your tree rules :)
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# [22:56] <mstange> RyanVM|afk: it looks like you confirmed that the browser-element m-2 timeouts came from my patches?
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# [23:07] <billm> ted: ping
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# [23:08] <bz> mina: ping
# [23:08] <mina> bz: yessir
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# [23:09] <bz> mina: does the new test fail without the patch and pass with?
# [23:09] <mina> bz: yes at least one of them does (haven't tried the other but I could)
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# [23:11] <reuben> dbaron: is it OK if I add a link to your "how browsers do layout" presentation to the Gecko:Overview page?
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# [23:12] <bz> mina: good, good.
# [23:12] <@dbaron> reuben, I suppose so.
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# [23:14] <reuben> cool
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# [23:26] <MattN> Yoric: pong
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# [23:27] <glosoli> Hmm is it bad to have two versions of FF on OSX ?
# [23:27] <glosoli> Some folks been telling me it might cause conflicts or smth
# [23:27] <Yoric> MattN: This dataloss, regression test is waiting for a review from you: bug 919532.
# [23:28] <Yoric> Might be good to get it done :)
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# [23:29] <RyanVM|afk> mstange: looks that way, yes
# [23:29] <nalexander> glosoli: it shouldn't be a problem; conflicts might happen if you're using the same *profile*.
# [23:29] <mstange> RyanVM|afk: ok, thanks
# [23:29] <MattN> Yoric: yep, I didn't get to my review queue yesterday
# [23:30] <RyanVM|afk> froydnj: KWierso|sheriffduty: "honey badger" - I could get used to that
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# [23:31] <mstange> RyanVM|afk: do you know if there's a way I can get stacks appear in the logs? looks like the process has already gone away once we time out
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# [23:34] <RyanVM|afk> mstange: at the moment, no :(
# [23:34] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/8ce7c4424b8a - Nicolas Silva - Bug 919936 - Add gtests for YCbCr memory textures. r=BenWa
# [23:35] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/2f879cfc861f - Nicolas Silva - Bug 919936 - Regroup common texture gtest helper functions. r=BenWa
# [23:35] <mstange> alright
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# [23:36] <RyanVM|afk> mstange: ted is working on fixing that, though :)
# [23:36] <RyanVM|afk> would be very handy in many situations
# [23:36] <mstange> yes!
# [23:36] <mstange> does ted have a work-in-progress patch which I can try out?
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# [23:41] <RyanVM|afk> mstange: it's old, no guarantees - bug 890026
# [23:41] <dholbert> ehsan, ping
# [23:41] <mstange> RyanVM|afk: thanks
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# [23:42] <RyanVM> mstange: np :)
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# [23:43] <mstange> RyanVM: hmm, that probably won't work for me since in this case there's no process around to kill
# [23:43] <mstange> for whatever reason
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# [23:44] <grobinson> Anybody here familiar with SpecialPowers (especially their relationship to content/chrome processes)?
# [23:44] <@ehsan> dholbert: hi
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# [23:45] <dholbert> ehsan, hi! I noticed you made the tweak to https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Developer_Guide/Build_Instructions/Windows_Prerequisites$compare?to=401383&from=376099 to mark us as incompatible with VC9. Any chance you remember a bug number that made that official?
# [23:45] <dholbert> ehsan, (asking because I want to remove some VC9-specific code)
# [23:45] <@ehsan> yes
# [23:45] <@ehsan> gimme a sec
# [23:45] <dholbert> thanks
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# [23:45] <@ehsan> dholbert: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=866425
# [23:46] <@ehsan> dholbert: that's one of the better patches I've written ;)
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# [23:48] <dholbert> ehsan, thanks for the link! (filed https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=925129 , if you're interested)
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# [23:48] <@ehsan> dholbert: nice, quick r+es guaranteed there ;)
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# [23:50] <RyanVM> froydnj: and I was just very confident in my backout prowess ;) :D
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# [23:51] <froydnj> RyanVM: nobody backs out like you, honey badger
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# [23:52] <froydnj> RyanVM: (presumably any orange post-merge would be from m-i anyway *crosses fingers*)
# [23:52] <RyanVM> heh
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