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# Session Start: Thu Oct 10 00:00:00 2013
# Session Ident: #developers
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# [00:00] <Ghost_Of_MNG> Why did you murder me?! Why do you make me suffer for the sake of your own pride?
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# [00:00] <RyanVM> haha
# [00:01] * RyanVM wonders if that's a perma-thing
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# [00:01] <efaust> not anymore.
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# [00:02] <jesup> I remember the MNG wars. Thousands of clones died to save the empire
# [00:02] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/8aea67a6a17c - Ben Turner - Bug 925070, r=bz
# [00:04] <bwc> You should probably watch out for Ghost_Of_Ghost_Of_MNG.
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# [00:04] <dietrich> i've somehow got my nightly into a state where it's flashing constantly
# [00:04] <dietrich> on mac
# [00:05] <mstange> dietrich: enable hardware acceleration
# [00:05] <mstange> dietrich: or disable content azure
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# [00:05] <mstange> I'll see if I can find the bug for it
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# [00:07] <dietrich> mstange: thanks, just disabled content azure and restarting...
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# [00:07] <mstange> bug 923309
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# [00:10] <@dolske> <Ghost_Of_Blink> Why did you... oh, nevermind, yay!
# [00:10] <dietrich> mstange: that worked
# [00:11] <mstange> yay!
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# [00:11] <dietrich> not sure why i had it disabled
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# [00:13] <Optimizer> build system wizards ..
# [00:14] <Optimizer> do I pass special arguments to compile parallely, the feature that landed very recently ...
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# [00:14] <Mossop> Parallel compilation has been around for years. What feature specifically are you referring to?
# [00:15] <khuey> he's talking about MOZ_PSEUDO_DERECURSE=1
# [00:15] <Optimizer> bug 907365 and bug 915648
# [00:15] <khuey> which may be the default on non-Windows now
# [00:15] <khuey> glandium: ^
# [00:15] <Optimizer> I am on windows
# [00:15] <@ehsan> you can't use that on windows
# [00:15] <@ehsan> because of pymake
# [00:15] <Optimizer> :(
# [00:16] <Optimizer> man I thought I would egt even more build tiem improvements
# [00:16] <@ehsan> not on windows :(
# [00:16] <Optimizer> (my build times reduced to 77 minutes from 123 after the #include improvements)
# [00:16] <glandium> Optimizer: it's the default except on windows
# [00:16] <@ehsan> which is ironically where we need this most
# [00:16] <Mossop> Windows doesn't get build time improvements
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# [00:16] <Optimizer> so.. another questions
# [00:16] <Optimizer> if I get an ssd
# [00:16] <@ehsan> Optimizer: that matches with my local timings :)
# [00:16] <Optimizer> and put the moz-build and source tree on that
# [00:16] <@ehsan> Optimizer: (from ~45 mins to 19mins in my last build)
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# [00:17] <@ehsan> Optimizer: I have a 24 core windows machine with ssd which can build firefox in about 30-35 mins
# [00:17] <Optimizer> will that be enough, or I need the OS on ssd too ?
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# [00:17] <Optimizer> ehsan: the percentage improvement is not ;)
# [00:17] <@ehsan> I don't think you get to be much faster than that!
# [00:17] <Optimizer> ehsan: no kiddind!
# [00:17] <@ehsan> Optimizer: true, but you run windows ;)
# [00:17] <Optimizer> no , I mean really ?
# [00:17] <glandium> ehsan: 30-35 minutes seems slow compared to what the hardware is
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# [00:17] <Optimizer> 24 core , and still 35 minutes ?
# [00:17] <@ehsan> Optimizer: where the OS is should not matter much
# [00:18] <@ehsan> glandium: exactly :)
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# [00:18] <Optimizer> I have 4 core + HT and I get 77 minutes
# [00:18] <@ehsan> glandium: it takes 4-6 mins before _any_ c++ compilation is started
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# [00:18] <Optimizer> I am sure if I have ssd, I will get < 40
# [00:18] * @ehsan has complained about this on #build before
# [00:18] <Optimizer> ehsan: better check your RAM
# [00:18] <glandium> Optimizer: probably not
# [00:18] <@ehsan> Optimizer: 32gig iirc
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# [00:18] <Optimizer> Benvie gets ~50 min due to SSD
# [00:18] <@ehsan> Optimizer: the processor matters more than the ssd
# [00:19] <Optimizer> ehsan: then you have only one last thing to do, take a shotgun and blow it
# [00:19] <glandium> ehsan: if you want to do something crazy, try gnu make 4.0
# [00:19] <@ehsan> Optimizer: use hacky.mk :)
# [00:19] <@ehsan> glandium: on windows?
# [00:19] <Optimizer> I have i7 , 3.2 GHZ
# [00:19] <glandium> ehsan: yeah
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# [00:19] <@ehsan> glandium: do we support that?
# [00:19] <glandium> ehsan: no
# [00:19] <@ehsan> lol
# [00:19] <@ehsan> thanks ;)
# [00:20] <Optimizer> ok so, what was the answer ? is OS on SSD is a must ?
# [00:20] <Optimizer> for even some improvements
# [00:20] <@ehsan> Optimizer: hacky.mk ;)
# [00:20] <glandium> Optimizer: not for building
# [00:20] <Optimizer> ok
# [00:20] <Optimizer> ehsan: link ?
# [00:20] <@ehsan> Optimizer: (for non-clobber builds)
# [00:20] <Benvie> a no-op build takes 8 minutes for me
# [00:20] <@ehsan> Optimizer: http://blog.bitops.com/blog/2013/08/05/faster-firefox-build-speeds/
# [00:20] <@ehsan> Optimizer: (you want the ninja backend)
# [00:21] <Optimizer> no-op builds take 17 for me
# [00:21] <@ehsan> glandium: I still hope that some day you will tell me what exactly you don't like about hacky.mk...
# [00:21] <Optimizer> I have no issues with non clobber builds
# [00:21] <@ehsan> Optimizer: oh, if you only care about clobber builds, you can't really get fast ones on widnows
# [00:21] <@ehsan> sorry :(
# [00:21] <Optimizer> I tried the xul runner approach, it did not work :(
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# [00:23] <Optimizer> anyways, I hope an ssd will give some improvement .. and I am off to bed.
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# [00:24] <glandium> ehsan: for starters, it creates a fast backend for incremental builds at the expense of clobber build times (because each and every compilation ends up calling a python script)
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# [00:25] <@ehsan> glandium: that can be done asynchronously
# [00:26] <glandium> ehsan: that could be done with moz.build, as long as someone moves the relevant data there
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# [00:26] <@ehsan> glandium: that's not really an objection to hacky.mk :)
# [00:26] <@ehsan> I mean
# [00:27] <@ehsan> it's fine to keep dismissing it because it's not the ideal solution, as long as we're clear that by doing so we're making perfect the enemy of the good
# [00:27] <glandium> ehsan: my conclusion was that i was against it in its current form. you're free to generate a ninja backend with moz.build stuff
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# [00:27] <@ehsan> glandium: I was hoping for more specific points which we can address
# [00:27] <glandium> and i don't think there's much that's currently missing besides some build flags
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# [00:28] <@ehsan> not "do it through moz.build"
# [00:28] <@ehsan> sigh
# [00:28] <@ehsan> ok
# [00:28] <@ehsan> glandium: is there a list of missing stuff somewhere?
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# [00:29] * @ehsan may just sit down in a weekend and do this
# [00:29] <@ehsan> hmm
# [00:29] <@ehsan> let's see
# [00:29] <@ehsan> LOCAL_INCLUDES
# [00:29] <@ehsan> CXXFLAGS
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# [00:30] <@ehsan> INCLUDES
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# [00:30] <philor> vlad: you aren't about to do anything with date, so it won't matter if I screw up this merge from m-c and then leave, right?
# [00:30] <@ehsan> DEFINES
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# [00:30] <@ehsan> glandium: so... not quite close :)
# [00:30] <glandium> ehsan: defines are in moz.build already
# [00:30] <@ehsan> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/content/events/src/Makefile.in#29
# [00:30] <glandium> or halfway, maybe
# [00:31] <@ehsan> I'm just looking at random makefiles
# [00:31] <@ehsan> oh
# [00:31] <@ehsan> OS_CXXFLAGS
# [00:31] <KWierso|sheriffduty> nical: ping
# [00:31] <@ehsan> CFLAGS
# [00:31] <nical> KWierso|sheriffduty: pong
# [00:31] <@ehsan> glandium: ok I give up :(
# [00:31] <KWierso|sheriffduty> nical: looks like you broke at least windows :(
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# [00:33] <glandium> ehsan: you could also output the flags recursively with a custom rule ; that would only take a minute or a couple minutes, and would allow a clobber build to use the ninja backend too, so it would be a win overall
# [00:34] <@ehsan> hmm
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# [00:34] <@ehsan> glandium: isn't that basically the same rules.mk patch approach that hacky.mk uses?
# [00:34] <nical> KWierso|sheriffduty: :( indeed. Not sure how. backout time
# [00:34] <@ehsan> glandium: which iirc you opposed before?
# [00:34] <KWierso|sheriffduty> nical: can do
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# [00:35] <glandium> ehsan: no, what you're doing is hooking in the build steps ; i'm suggesting you add a rule that does the flags storing *only*
# [00:36] <@ehsan> glandium: perhaps I'm missing how that rule would work :/
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# [00:36] <glandium> ehsan: essentially, foo:\n\tdo_my_stuff\n\t$(LOOP_OVER_SUBDIRS)
# [00:37] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/734a282006c2 - Trevor Saunders - bug 915558 - save attributes of binding element to the startup cache r=smaug
# [00:37] <@ehsan> glandium: hmm. I am not sure if I understand that
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# [00:38] <@ehsan> glandium: I mean to extract the flags, don't we essentially need to run the build system once?
# [00:38] <@ehsan> processing rules.mk rules, etc?
# [00:38] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/257a97e05777 - Wes Kocher - Backed out 2 changesets (bug 919936) for Windows build bustage
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# [00:40] <glandium> ehsan: https://diff.pastebin.mozilla.org/3226377 ; make flags
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# [00:40] <@ehsan> recurse.mk!
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# [00:40] <@ehsan> first time I'm looking at that :)
# [00:40] <@ehsan> when do we run this makefile?
# [00:40] <glandium> ehsan: could be rules.mk, it doesn't matter
# [00:41] <glandium> ehsan: every makefile includes it
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# [00:41] <@ehsan> I see
# [00:41] <@ehsan> so
# [00:41] <@ehsan> glandium: if I moved the rules.mk bits of hacky.mk to the end of recurse.mk and fix up the rest, would you take that patch? :)
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# [00:42] <reuben> spooky~
# [00:42] <glandium> ehsan: i'd at least consider it
# [00:42] <@ehsan> glandium: what else would you like to see in it?
# [00:43] <glandium> ehsan: i don't know. i'd have to see it
# [00:43] <@ehsan> glandium: well if you'd be willing to discuss that patch that would in itself be intersting to me :)
# [00:43] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/7a7b028f0a02 - Olli Pettay - Bug 924682 - [Pure] getters for some often used attributes, r=bz
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# [00:44] <@ehsan> glandium: can I put this in the bug?
# [00:44] <glandium> ehsan: sure, copy/paste from here if you want
# [00:44] <@ehsan> I'll just add the gist, and that pastebin!
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# [00:45] <glandium> ehsan: that pastebin is going to expire in 24 hours
# [00:45] <@ehsan> glandium: I meant I'll attach it to the bug :)
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# [00:46] <glandium> ehsan: fwiw, the make flags thing is how i was considering doing 904572
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# [00:47] <glandium> ehsan: which is kind of a cousin of what the ninja backend needs
# [00:47] <@ehsan> right
# [00:47] <@ehsan> interesting, I had forgotten about that bug
# [00:48] <glandium> ehsan: there's 892973 too
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# [00:48] <@ehsan> hmm
# [00:49] <@ehsan> one question
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# [00:49] <@ehsan> what are these LOOP_OVER_foo things? :)
# [00:49] <glandium> ehsan: to recurse the tree
# [00:49] * @ehsan doesn't have LOOP_OVER_PARALLEL_DIRS in his tree
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# [00:49] <@ehsan> oh, so to run make flags recursively on those dirs?
# [00:49] <glandium> ehsan: yes
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# [00:50] <@ehsan> here's another question
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# [00:50] <glandium> that rule takes about 20s on my slow mac, here
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# [00:51] <@ehsan> glandium: let me think about this for a sec
# [00:52] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/bb73bada10de - David Anderson - Re-focus browser elements after changing their remote attribute (bug 925058, r=felipe).
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# [00:53] <glandium> the one thing it's going to miss is the specific flags for some files like http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/xpcom/string/src/Makefile.in#19
# [00:53] <glandium> i want to move those to moz.build, though
# [00:53] <glandium> like, soon
# [00:53] <glandium> because there are other problem associated with those definitions
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# [00:54] <@ehsan> glandium: can it handle generated code?
# [00:54] <@ehsan> such as ipdl/webidl generated code?
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# [00:54] <glandium> ehsan: you can get the list of generate files either from moz.build or some make variables
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# [00:55] <glandium> generated
# [00:55] <blob4000> mbrubeck are you there?
# [00:55] <mbrubeck> blob4000: Hi
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# [00:56] <@ehsan> glandium: wait, so we have to get the moz.build information and the makefile information separately?
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# [00:56] <glandium> ehsan: yes, or you can get everything from makefiles
# [00:56] <@ehsan> how?
# [00:56] <glandium> ehsan: variables?
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# [00:57] <glandium> ehsan: echo $(CPPSRCS) in dom/bindings will contain the generated sources
# [00:57] <@ehsan> glandium: sorry, I think you're overestimating my moz.build knowledge :)
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# [00:57] <@ehsan> oh neat
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# [00:58] <glandium> ehsan: in case you didn't know, you can make -C some_dir echo-variable-VARIABLE_NAME
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# [00:58] <@ehsan> oh I didn't know that
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# [00:59] <@ehsan> ok
# [00:59] <glandium> ehsan: it's been there for like, forever
# [00:59] <@ehsan> perhaps I can find a free weekend and implement this stuff
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# [00:59] <@ehsan> not this weekend, perhaps the next
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# [00:59] <@ehsan> glandium: thanks for your help
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# [00:59] <glandium> ehsan: np
# [01:00] <@ehsan> glandium: oh one more thing
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# [01:00] <@ehsan> glandium: is this something that you expect to tackle at some point?
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# [01:00] <glandium> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QQLyS0MnzM
# [01:00] <@ehsan> :D
# [01:00] <glandium> ehsan: this what?
# [01:00] <luke> i'm trying to build a 32-bit osx build with this mozconfig http://pastebin.mozilla.org/3226502 and i'm getting an error building libcubeb. anyone have any idea what that could be?
# [01:00] <blob4000> mbrubeck: i'm curious about how the next step works. whether this patch needs further review, or is ready to be commited? I've read the How to Submit a Patch doc, but i'm a little unclear on this point
# [01:00] <blob4000> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=924723
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# [01:01] <@ehsan> glandium: generating a non-recursive backend using the make flags trick
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# [01:01] <glandium> luke: what does the error look like?
# [01:01] <glandium> ehsan: no
# [01:01] <luke> gl/moz/mi/media/libcubeb/src/cubeb_audiounit.c:201:3: error: unknown type name 'ComponentDescription'; did you mean
# [01:01] <mbrubeck> blob4000: The next step is for mak to review your patch, and change the "review" flag to "+" (review granted) or "-" (review not granted). Once you have "review+" then the patch is ready to check in.
# [01:01] <luke> 'AudioComponentDescription'?
# [01:02] <@ehsan> glandium: why?
# [01:02] <blob4000> mbrubeck: oh right, makes perfect sense. thank you
# [01:02] <@ehsan> luke: http://dxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/media/libcubeb/src/cubeb_audiounit.c#l200
# [01:02] <@ehsan> luke: looks like somebody got that wrong :)
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# [01:03] <@ehsan> luke: what if you used AudioComponentDescrption?
# [01:03] <blob4000> mbrubeck: if the patch receives a '+' would mak or someone at mozilla check it in? or does that bounce back to me?
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# [01:03] <blob4000> (to check in)
# [01:03] <mbrubeck> blob4000: mak may offer to check it in, or you can use checkin-needed: http://blog.bonardo.net/2010/06/22/so-youre-about-to-use-checkin-needed
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# [01:04] <glandium> ehsan: eventually i wanted to do it for 904572, but not for the build ; essentially because last time i tried, an entirely recursive make backend was slow, and the pseudo derecurse thing works good enough
# [01:04] <@ehsan> glandium: does it on windows?
# [01:04] <@ehsan> glandium: I mean, wouldn't it better if we built using ninja on windows?
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# [01:05] <glandium> ehsan: an entirely recursive make backend would have the same problem on windows
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# [01:05] <@ehsan> therefore avoiding all of these pymake slowness altogether?
# [01:05] <glandium> ehsan: we can't use ninja for everything
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# [01:05] <glandium> at least not currently
# [01:05] <@ehsan> glandium: we can for the compile tier
# [01:05] <luke> ehsan: oh hah, i should have just looked at the code; i assume i was missing some lib or something. thanks!
# [01:05] <@ehsan> luke: np
# [01:05] <glandium> and, i don't want to land the ninja source
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# [01:06] <@ehsan> glandium: what's wrong with that?
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# [01:06] <glandium> ehsan: we don't include autoconf
# [01:06] <glandium> that's kind of the same thing
# [01:07] <@ehsan> glandium: we can make it part of the build requirements
# [01:07] <@ehsan> I don't care if we build it from source or not
# [01:07] <glandium> and i don't believe in ninja for the long term
# [01:07] <@ehsan> ?
# [01:07] <@ehsan> do you have any specific concerns?
# [01:07] <glandium> so we might as well not clutter our source tree with it
# [01:07] <glandium> ehsan: it feels to me tup is better
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# [01:08] <@ehsan> glandium: tup and ninja do two very different things
# [01:08] <@ehsan> glandium: and ninja is at least used more widely than tup currently is
# [01:09] <glandium> anyways, ninja can be a (optional) build requirement, i don't care
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# [01:09] <@ehsan> glandium: this is actually important
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# [01:09] <@ehsan> glandium: cause if you don't want us to use ninja, there is very little benefit to be gained from make flags
# [01:10] <glandium> (i wish martine changed the name when i told him)
# [01:10] <@ehsan> glandium: and I think you should have a better reason that "tup is better" :)
# [01:10] <glandium> ehsan: i don't want ninja to be a mandatory build requirement, that's all
# [01:10] <glandium> because people should still be free not to use ninja
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# [01:10] <@ehsan> glandium: why?!
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# [01:11] * @ehsan doesn't understand what's so wrong about ninja
# [01:11] <lightsofapollo> randomly- What is the "checked-in?" flag on attachments for?
# [01:11] <mbrubeck> We haven't exactly been shy about saying "you must use our required build tools" for anything else...
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# [01:11] <lightsofapollo> [and how is it different then checkin-needed whiteboard status / adding commits in comments]
# [01:11] <@ehsan> mbrubeck: exactly
# [01:11] <@smaug> does static nsCOMPtr<nsIAtom> automatically cause some warning?
# [01:11] <blob4000> mbrubeck: thanks!
# [01:12] <@smaug> even if the variable is explicitly cleared before shutdown
# [01:12] <@smaug> I guess it does
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# [01:12] <mbrubeck> lightsofapollo: The attachment flag is useful when only one patch of several in a bug needs (or doesn't need) to be checked in.
# [01:12] <tbsaunde> smaug: other than probably adding a static constructor and so iting the talos regression I doubt it
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# [01:13] <@smaug> yup
# [01:13] <lightsofapollo> mbrubeck: thanks!
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# [01:13] <glandium> ehsan: why not?
# [01:14] <glandium> ehsan: is there a compelling reason to make it mandatory?
# [01:14] <glandium> we still have to keep the make backend anyways
# [01:14] <@ehsan> glandium: yes. it gives us fast builds
# [01:14] <glandium> ehsan: and?
# [01:14] <@ehsan> glandium: that's it
# [01:14] <glandium> ehsan: that's not a compelling reason to make it mandatory
# [01:15] <@ehsan> glandium: what would be a compelling reason?
# [01:15] <glandium> ehsan: there aren't
# [01:15] <@ehsan> !!!
# [01:16] <@ehsan> this is not helpful
# [01:16] <glandium> ehsan: why do you want it mandatory so much? why wouldn't you be satisfied with it being optional?
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# [01:17] <@ehsan> glandium: well, maintaining one way to build is easier than maintaining two
# [01:17] <@ehsan> right?
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# [01:17] <glandium> ehsan: we'll have several ways to build, in the end
# [01:17] <glandium> make or not make
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# [01:17] <@ehsan> I'm more attached to goals rather than tools
# [01:18] <@ehsan> and with _my_ goal being faster builds, I'd take ninja over pymake any day of the week!
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# [01:18] <mbrubeck> Why do we want to support multiple ways to build?
# [01:18] <@ehsan> I don't understand why you insist on keeping the pymake build working at all
# [01:18] <glandium> mbrubeck: msvc projects? xcode projects?
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# [01:18] <mbrubeck> got it, that makes sense
# [01:18] * @ehsan feels like this is going to start to turn into something more useful for a dev.platform discussion
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# [01:19] <@ehsan> mbrubeck: glandium: we _can_ do vs projects which just call into ./mach build for building
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# [01:19] <mbrubeck> I'm still not sure why we'd want multiple command-line ways of building, however.
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# [01:20] <glandium> mbrubeck: there would still be only one way
# [01:20] <glandium> mach build
# [01:21] <@ehsan> glandium: I think we're talking about the same thing, but you don't like ninja for some reason
# [01:21] <@ehsan> and I like it better than pymake
# [01:21] <@ehsan> for reasons which I described above
# [01:21] <glandium> ehsan: i don't like ninja being the only mandatory option
# [01:21] <glandium> that's all
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# [01:22] <@ehsan> glandium: but what's your reason for that?
# [01:22] <mbrubeck> in that case, I *really* don't see why you would want to support two back-ends (ninja and non-ninja) over just one. It seems we should pick the "best" and use it... especially if it's not something exposed to the user except in which tools they need to download...
# [01:22] <@ehsan> mbrubeck: +1
# [01:23] <glandium> mbrubeck: first, because make is not going to go away any time soon. Anything that's not c++ is still going to be built with make anyways
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# [01:24] <@ehsan> that is not an argument to not stopping to support make for the compile tier
# [01:24] <grobinson> is task.js (and the ES6 features it needs) available to Mochitests?
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# [01:25] <mbrubeck> grobinson: Yes
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# [01:25] <grobinson> mbrubeck: is there anything special I need to do to use them?
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# [01:27] <mbrubeck> grobinson: mochitest-plain, -chrome, or -browser-chrome ?
# [01:27] <grobinson> (looks like no from, for example, http://dxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/browser/base/content/test/general/browser_bug719271.js)
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# [01:27] <mbrubeck> Yeah, browser-chrome tests can do anything that chrome JS can do
# [01:28] <glandium> ehsan: another concern is that i don't want to say in x months that ninja is mandatory and come back in y months saying that now it's tup
# [01:28] <@ehsan> glandium: we do that kind of thing with our compiler support right?
# [01:28] <glandium> also, ninja is not available on current ubuntu lts and debian stable
# [01:28] <froydnj> ehsan: yes, and it's annoying :p
# [01:29] <@ehsan> so our goal is to freeze our required build tools forever?
# [01:29] <@ehsan> that is silly
# [01:29] <glandium> ehsan: good example. we're not saying clang is mandatory
# [01:29] <froydnj> depends on the value of x
# [01:29] <froydnj> and the pain of installing tool y
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# [01:29] <@ehsan> glandium: we can file a bug against those distros to get them to ship ninja, that shouldn't block our decision
# [01:30] <@ehsan> glandium: we're saying exactly that
# [01:30] <@ehsan> on mac
# [01:30] <@ehsan> froydnj: ninja is a single binary
# [01:30] <@ehsan> with no dependencies etc
# [01:30] <glandium> ehsan: you won't get ninja in ubuntu lts or debian stable until the next ubuntu lts or debian stable
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# [01:30] <@ehsan> you can literally cp it into ~/bin
# [01:30] <@ehsan> glandium: sure, and who cares?
# [01:30] * froydnj does
# [01:30] <glandium> ehsan: all the people using those
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# [01:31] <@ehsan> building ninja from source is very easy
# [01:31] <glandium> ehsan: all the people building firefox for those
# [01:31] <@ehsan> glandium: but you also oppose that
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# [01:31] <glandium> ehsan: as a package maintainer that would seriously prevent me from backporting firefox
# [01:31] <@ehsan> glandium: it seems like the solution here is to build ninja from source?
# [01:32] <glandium> sigh
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# [01:32] <glandium> why not build python from source too?
# [01:32] <@ehsan> o_O
# [01:32] <@ehsan> I think this discussion is no longer useful, sorry
# [01:33] <@ehsan> and I need to leave
# [01:33] <froydnj> we already make people build python
# [01:33] <@ehsan> comparing building ninja from source and building python from source is not helpful
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# [01:33] <@ehsan> I'll write to dev.platform, and then we can discuss this asynchronously
# [01:33] <@ehsan> glandium: sounds good?
# [01:33] <@dolske> --enable-system-ninja
# [01:34] <@ehsan> froydnj: I don't even want to get into that
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# [01:34] <glandium> froydnj: exactly, why not import the source, then?
# [01:34] <@ehsan> glandium: this is not a useful analogy
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# [01:35] <glandium> ehsan: the fact that ninja is small is not relevant
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# [01:35] * froydnj happens to think making people build python is silly, too
# [01:35] <glandium> and what the hell, if people want to maintain two build systems, why prevent them?
# [01:35] <glandium> i'm not asking you to maintain the make backend
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# [01:36] <@ehsan> sure
# [01:36] <grobinson> mbrubeck: mochitest-plain
# [01:37] <mbrubeck> grobinson: You'll probably need to do SpecialPowers.Cu.import instead of just Cu.import
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# [01:39] <kgrandon1> BenWa: Ping? Quick question if you have a chance. I'm now able to get the combined processes in profile, but I'm not seeing any javascript, and there's nothing when i press "Javascript only". Any idea why?
# [01:39] <kgrandon1> I'm using MOZ_PROFILER_MODE=pseudo
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# [01:42] <glandium> froydnj: oh yeah
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# [01:45] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/31014a7ee3ab - Jeff Gilbert - Bug 872701 - Add test that highp floats work iff GL gives a format for them. - r=bjacob
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# [01:47] <BenWa> kgrandon1: Sorry I'm on my way out, lets talk tomorrow
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# [02:04] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/d4cdfb4f8433 - Daniel Holbert - Bug 925129: Remove VC9-and-earlier chunk from nsAlgorithm.h, since we don't support building with VC9 and earlier. r=ehsan
# [02:04] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/5f9cb0332e3c - Daniel Holbert - Backout e67dad88f860 and assertion-count-tweak followups (bug 914919), since including nsDebug.h in gfx/2d causes issues with some skia headers.
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# [02:08] <qDot> I'm getting WinXP build failures on try but I'm not sure why, looks like something having to do with bindings? https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=28894198&tree=Try
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# [02:10] <cabanier> Bas: I assigned https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=768067 to you
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# [02:11] <cabanier> Bas: let me know if you're not the right person
# [02:11] <Bas> cabanier: I can do it, but why do you have CurrentStateConst explicitly? The compiler should just be able to figure that out.
# [02:12] <cabanier> Bas: how so?
# [02:13] <cabanier> Bas: does that work on a return value?
# [02:13] <Bas> cabanier: It'll pick the const one if it can, and the non-const if it can't.
# [02:13] <Bas> cabanier: It will work because one is a const function other than just a return value I believe, try it, anyway.
# [02:13] <cabanier> Bas: I didn't think that would work
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# [02:13] <cabanier> Bas: will try now
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# [02:14] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/bf817ca7c19a - Daniel Holbert - Bug 925066: Remove unused "#include nsDebug.h" from nsAlgorithm.h. r=jst
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# [02:18] <dholbert> Does anyone know why some XPCOM headers bother with e.g. "#ifndef whatever_h___" before #including whatever.h? (which has its own internal #ifndef guard)
# [02:18] <dholbert> e.g. http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/xpcom/string/public/nsCharTraits.h#15 has this for nscore.h
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# [02:19] <Mook_as> IIRC, so you don't have to actually look at whatever.h to figure out you didn't actually want it
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# [02:19] <dholbert> Mook_as, ah; and that speeds up compilation a teensy bit, if whatever.h is included all over the place?
# [02:19] <Mook_as> and if you're in a file that's also included all over the place
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# [02:20] <dholbert> ok
# [02:20] <Mook_as> (in this case, nsCharTraits.h)
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# [02:20] <dholbert> Mook_as, thanks
# [02:20] <cabanier> Bas: yes. It's fine. I will change the code
# [02:20] <Mook_as> or something, I don't really recall. it was all just so depressing, what with the needing to think about it at all.
# [02:20] <Bas> cabanier: Thought so :)
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# [02:23] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/1c7428ab1e13 - Ehsan Akhgari - Bug 924248 - Make nsIDocument.h go on a diet; r=jst
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# [02:26] <cabanier> Bas: updated the patch
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# [02:31] <Bas> cabanier: Hrm, you're using the FallibleTArray but aren't checking for success :)
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# [02:31] <Bas> Wither use the nonfallible one or do something with the fallibility :)
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# [02:31] <Bas> Cabanier: Because this will just create a more confusing memory access crash at a later point.
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# [02:43] <philor> qDot: you pushed something with "webidl" in the commit message without touching /CLOBBER? bold move!
# [02:43] <philor> red move, but bold nevertheless
# [02:44] <heycam> ld: warning: direct access in JS::CustomAutoRooter::CustomAutoRooter<js::ThreadSafeContext>(js::ThreadSafeContext*, mozilla::detail::GuardObjectNotifier const&) to global weak symbol vtable for JS::CustomAutoRooter means the weak symbol cannot be overridden at runtime. This was likely caused by different translation units being compiled with different visibility settings.
# [02:44] <heycam> that's a warning during linking I haven't seen before
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# [02:48] <josh> heycam: I see that in all of my builds as well
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# [02:54] <glandium> heycam: you can ignore it, but you can file a bug about it
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# [02:54] <heycam> glandium, ok
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# [02:54] <heycam> glandium, which component?
# [02:54] <glandium> heycam: i'd say js engine. cc me
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# [02:56] <jgilbert> there isn't some way to skip building and just update the tests for a push, is there?
# [02:56] <jgilbert> while still asking for tests?
# [02:57] <heycam> I don't think so
# [02:57] <heycam> would be nice though
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# [02:57] <jgilbert> I guess NPOTB[?], and just rely on later pushes to hit test failures
# [02:57] <jgilbert> but that sorta feels wrong
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# [02:57] <heycam> oh I thought you meant on try
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# [02:58] <jgilbert> that would also be nice, but specifically inbound atm
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# [03:09] <mjrosenb> bz: :(
# [03:09] <mjrosenb> !seen dbaron
# [03:09] <firebot> dbaron was last seen 3 hours, 57 minutes and 18 seconds ago, saying 'reuben, I suppose so.' in #developers.
# [03:09] <mjrosenb> wow, I have yet to manage to actually catch dbaron.
# [03:09] <@bz> mjrosenb: It's just too painful to deal with. :(
# [03:09] <reuben> bz: what bug are you hitting?
# [03:10] <@bz> reuben: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=921338
# [03:10] <@bz> reuben: this is the worst Firefox bug I've had to deal with in a good long while. :(
# [03:11] <reuben> huh
# [03:11] <reuben> WFM on OS X
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# [03:12] <reuben> but yea, that would be *super* annoying if it happened to me :(
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# [03:12] <@bz> reuben: I bet it doesn't
# [03:12] <@bz> reuben: how did you try to reproduce?
# [03:12] <reuben> bz: I followed the steps in comment 0
# [03:12] <@gavin> bz: was just talking about that with felipe
# [03:13] <@bz> reuben: hmmm
# [03:13] * @bz grabs today's nightly
# [03:13] <@gavin> bz: I'm going to suggest we back out bug 666816 on trunk
# [03:13] <@bz> gavin: I agree, given lack of traction. :(
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# [03:13] <@bz> reuben: and what happened?
# [03:13] <reuben> bz: nothing. I waited several seconds, then switched back and the find bar was gone
# [03:13] <@bz> reuben: hmm
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# [03:14] <@bz> reuben: which build are you using?
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# [03:14] <reuben> today's nightly, 20131009
# [03:14] <glandium> bz: congratulations, you found the most awful pymake bug of all
# [03:14] <reuben> Built from http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/c22969eec61d
# [03:14] <@bz> glandium: oh?
# [03:14] <@bz> glandium: my clobber-needed thing from earlier today?
# [03:15] <glandium> bz: 924992
# [03:15] <@bz> glandium: I'm all ears!
# [03:15] <@bz> reuben: downloading that now...
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# [03:15] <glandium> bz: it looks like pymake doesn't handle dependencies right
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# [03:16] <@bz> glandium: That's not a good feature for a dependency-based build system...
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# [03:16] <glandium> bz: and the rules to update dist/include and other stuff run at the end of the build instead of the beginning
# [03:16] <@bz> reuben: totally reproduces for me in today's nightly
# [03:16] <glandium> bz: a second incremental after the failure actually goes through
# [03:17] <glandium> and there are other weird things happening.
# [03:17] <@bz> glandium: Fun
# [03:17] <@bz> reuben: are your windows fullscreened or something?
# [03:17] <reuben> bz: nope
# [03:17] * @bz didn't test with fullscreen windows
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# [03:18] <@bz> reuben: so you're seeing the findbar hide itself ?
# [03:18] <@bz> reuben: and when it does that it doesn't focus the window it was in?
# [03:19] <@bz> reuben: 'cause I don't see how that's possible given the code that was checked in.... ;)
# [03:19] <reuben> bz: well, I'm seeing the find bar gone when I focus the window it was in
# [03:20] <@bz> reuben: if you position your (non-fullscreen, so you should be able to do this) windows so you can see the findbar in the background window...
# [03:20] <@bz> reuben: and then actually wait until it hides
# [03:20] <@bz> reuben: try it
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# [03:21] <reuben> bz: a-ha, yes, it repros
# [03:21] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/05c32b7824e6 - Nicolas Silva - Bug 923917 - Make CompositableClient not crash when texture serialization fails. r=nrc
# [03:21] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/a79c6c91b105 - Nicolas Silva - Bug 923917 - Properly set the y-flip flag in SharedTextureClientOGL. r=Bas
# [03:21] <@bz> reuben: ok. ;)
# [03:21] <reuben> I closed all other windows before testing. not sure how that could change this
# [03:22] <@bz> Anyway
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# [03:22] * @bz looks forward to this not being a thorn in his side anymore. ;)
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# [03:29] <glandium> bz: mmmm i'm actually failing to build on something else, much later, now
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# [03:32] <glandium> bz: TypeTraits.h(377): error C2872: 'detail' : ambiguous symbol
# [03:32] <glandium> bz: could be 'mozilla::detail' or 'mozilla::dom::detail'
# [03:32] <glandium> bz: did you have that with those patches?
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# [03:37] <@bz> glandium: yes
# [03:37] <@bz> glandium: once I clobbered
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# [03:38] <@bz> glandium: I can give you a diff to fix that if you want
# [03:38] <glandium> bz: ok, at least i'm not getting something new
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# [03:38] <@bz> glandium: Buggy MSVC. :(
# [03:38] <glandium> bz: yeah, it doesn't even look ambiguous from a quick look at the code
# [03:39] <glandium> yay virtualbox... i took a snapshot, i can't even restore it :(
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# [03:41] <glandium> interesting... i have to shutdown to be able to restore
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# [03:55] <@bz> Anyone know a server which will allow cross-site XHR to it?
# [03:55] <@bz> so I can test something?
# [03:55] <@bz> (In particular, it needs to allow a preflight so we'll send the actual headers)
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# [04:01] <qDot> Ok, looks like I'm burning b2g-i due to this WinXP issue. Will a clobber fix this?
# [04:01] <qDot> philor|afk: Yeah, live and learn. :(
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# [04:02] <qDot> I'll push a clobber.
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# [04:06] <KWierso|away> jgilbert: you wouldn't happen to have a fix handy for that test bustage you pushed today, would you? :)
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# [04:08] <philor|afk> qDot: oh, looks like it's not clobber-needed, it's backout-and-later-patch-that-builds-on-Windows-needed
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# [04:08] <philor|afk> since I clobbered with the clobberer, and that last set of failures is clobbered
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# [04:09] <mina> what do I make of a try push like this? https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=6a6e36cc5630
# [04:09] <mina> is my patch fine?
# [04:09] <mjrosenb> philor: you clobberer, you!
# [04:09] <KWierso> jgilbert: it's just the missing "()" after | function |, right?
# [04:09] <mina> There are lots of purples
# [04:10] <KWierso> mina: windows and osx slaves disconnected en masse earlier today
# [04:10] <qDot> philor: Hmm, ok.
# [04:10] <KWierso> I'd just retrigger those and go on with your day
# [04:10] <mina> KWierso: yay sounds like I'm fine
# [04:11] <jgilbert> KWierso, yep, that's all it needs
# [04:11] <philor> mjrosenb: yeah, "clobbering" and talking about slaves are the only real attractions of the job :)
# [04:11] * jgilbert checks
# [04:12] <qDot> So, I made one change to a mochitest and now WinXP doesn't build.
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# [04:12] <qDot> This is odd.
# [04:12] <jgilbert> KWierso, that's all it should need to not-die, though that var isn't implemented. We don't appear to call it though, so we should be fine
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# [04:14] <KWierso> jgilbert: thanks :)
# [04:15] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/8fcfc380bfc9 - Wes Kocher - Followup to bug 872701 to fix tests on a CLOSED TREE
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# [04:20] <reuben> qDot: did the clobber not fix it?
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# [04:22] <qDot> reuben: philor forced clobbers on the last build.
# [04:22] <qDot> reuben: Which then failed.
# [04:22] <glandium> bz: i can't believe the workaround i just found: don't run through mach
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# [04:22] <glandium> s/run/build/
# [04:22] <qDot> reuben: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=B2g-Inbound&rev=aa94c4753dcc
# [04:22] <glandium> bz: that is, pymake -C objdir works for me
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# [04:24] <reuben> qDot: yea looks like yet another windows-only build system fail :(
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# [04:26] <@bz> glandium: lovely? ;)
# [04:26] <@bz> glandium: so with mach you get the failures in DOM binding headers?
# [04:26] <glandium> bz: yes
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# [04:28] <glandium> bz: but without mach i don't
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# [04:28] <glandium> bz: are you building with mach?
# [04:28] <glandium> please tell me you are
# [04:28] <glandium> because if you aren't, it's worse
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# [04:30] <@bz> glandium: I'm not
# [04:30] <@bz> glandium: But I bet tbpl is
# [04:30] <@bz> glandium: which is where the bug appeared
# [04:30] <glandium> bz: tbpl isn't
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# [04:31] <@bz> glandium: I couldn't reproduce this locally (on Mac, without mach)
# [04:31] <@bz> glandium: curious
# [04:31] <@bz> glandium: well, the tree certainly went red.... ;)
# [04:31] <glandium> bz: well, it also doesn't really make sense that mach would change that
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# [04:37] <qDot> reuben: So, um, what's the usual cure for this? Wailing and gnashing teeth seem to not be helping.
# [04:37] <reuben> qDot: file build config bug, poke build config people
# [04:38] <philor> nah, ask your reviewer
# [04:38] <qDot> bz or fabrice?
# [04:38] <philor> after all, he's right there intermingled with you, talking about webidl build failures :)
# [04:39] <qDot> Oh. :|
# [04:39] <philor> bz, don't think fabrice has had as much experience with Windows being annoying
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# [04:39] <qDot> Wow, so just gecko and b2g drove him to be that grumpy then?
# [04:39] <philor> "UnifiedBindings4.obj", forsooth
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# [04:40] <reuben> lol
# [04:40] <philor> didn't he start out doing something else evil, like forms?
# [04:40] <reuben> "just gecko and b2g"
# [04:40] <philor> reason enough, and more
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# [04:42] <glandium> bz: ok, so it looks like python native commands are scheduled like shit
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# [04:45] <@bz> glandium: What are python native commands?
# [04:45] <glandium> bz: commands that pymake runs itself instead of spawning a python subprocess
# [04:46] <@bz> qDot: what's up?
# [04:46] <@bz> glandium: I see
# [04:46] <@bz> philor: UnifiedBindings4.obj is awesome. ;)
# [04:47] <philor> bz: except when it's being all opaque and giving poor qDot https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=28901843&tree=B2g-Inbound even after a clobber
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# [04:47] <philor> the patch being https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/b2g-inbound/rev/aa94c4753dcc so you don't have to go around three steps
# [04:47] <@bz> UnifiedBindings4.obj : error LNK2019: unresolved external symbol "public: struct already_AddRefed<class nsDOMEvent> __thiscall nsIDocument::CreateEventW(class nsAString_internal const &,class mozilla::ErrorResult &)const " (?CreateEventW@nsIDocument@@QBE?AU?$already_AddRefed@VnsDOMEvent@@@@ABVnsAString_internal@@AAVErrorResult@mozilla@@@Z) referenced in function "bool __cdecl mozilla::dom::DocumentBinding::createEvent(struct JSContext
# [04:47] <@bz> That part?
# [04:48] <qDot> bz: Yup
# [04:48] <@bz> Ah
# [04:48] <@bz> mccr8 mentioned this at the summit
# [04:48] <@bz> note "nsIDocument::CreateEventW"
# [04:48] <@bz> In particular the "W"
# [04:49] <@bz> You're being fucked over by the Windows headers....
# [04:49] <@bz> In particular, some idiot is including them in a header
# [04:49] <@bz> which gets included into the binding .cpp
# [04:49] <@bz> you added a new webidl file
# [04:49] <philor> too bad for you!
# [04:49] <@bz> which changed which unified file the Document binding is in
# [04:49] <philor> oh, now *that's* awesome
# [04:49] <@bz> and now it's in one which includes that header
# [04:50] <@bz> or vice versa
# [04:50] <@bz> Yeah, this part is totally suck
# [04:50] <qDot> Do I get a badge or an achievement or something for the millionth time I've been fucked over by windows headers in my career?
# [04:50] <@bz> Heh
# [04:50] <philor> I like that almost as much as that fake directory we used to have to force another directory into a particular mochitest hunk
# [04:50] <@bz> So with your patch
# [04:50] <@bz> What does UnifiedBinding4.cpp look like
# [04:50] <@bz> pastebin it, please?
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# [04:51] <qDot> Like I realize I'm still paying off my "worked for MS" karma debt but this is a bit much.
# [04:51] <qDot> 'k, sec.
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# [04:51] <@bz> So without your patch....
# [04:51] <@bz> It already contains DocumentBinding
# [04:51] <@bz> With your patch, is the first thing in that file #include "DataContainerEventBinding.cpp" ?
# [04:52] <qDot> https://pastebin.mozilla.org/3227596
# [04:52] <qDot> DataChannelBinding.cpp
# [04:52] <@bz> aha
# [04:52] <@bz> so it moved over DataChannelBinding.cpp
# [04:52] <@bz> presumably
# [04:52] * @bz looks at what that includes
# [04:53] <@bz> nsDOMDtaChannel.h
# [04:53] <@bz> er, nsDOMDataChannel.h
# [04:53] <@bz> which includes DataChannel.h
# [04:53] <qDot> So I should rename my webidl to ZAppNotificationServiceOptions. \o/
# [04:53] <@bz> hold on. ;)
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# [04:54] <@bz> It must be via nsDOMDataChannel.h
# [04:54] <@bz> nothing else there could do it
# [04:55] <@bz> here we go
# [04:55] <@bz> media/mtransport/sigslot.h
# [04:55] <@bz> Includes windows.h
# [04:55] <@bz> bang
# [04:55] <mattwoodrow> KWierso: Got a vague estimate for when inbound will be open?
# [04:56] <@bz> And is included by DataChannel.h
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# [04:56] <@bz> So long-term we will fix this by making the build fail if someone includes windows.h in any header bindings include
# [04:56] <@bz> And then this will be on whoever adds that badness
# [04:56] <@bz> but for your case...
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# [04:57] <qDot> Backout WebRTC.
# [04:57] <@bz> Ok
# [04:57] <@bz> So nsDOMDataChannel inherits from mozilla::DataChannelListener
# [04:57] <@bz> which is in DataChannel.h
# [04:57] <@bz> how about we move it to a separate header?
# [04:58] <@bz> It needs nothing from DataChannel.h
# [04:58] <@bz> and then consumers won't need to include DataChannel.h and its windows-fest
# [04:58] <qDot> 'k. I can create a new bug. Who should I r? for this?
# [04:58] <@bz> rjesup
# [04:59] <qDot> Cool. I'll get that started, thanks.
# [04:59] * @bz is tempted to say "me", but isn't actually a peer for this code
# [04:59] <@bz> No problem.
# [04:59] <@bz> Good thing for us both mccr8 mentioned this at the summit. ;)
# [04:59] <KWierso> mattwoodrow: I'd like to get a nice clean run, but I think I'll settle for just getting some green m-1 runs on the desktop
# [04:59] * qDot gonna dinner then will get to fixing.
# [04:59] <mattwoodrow> KWierso: That's fine, I'll run errands for a bit instead and land later
# [05:01] <@bz> qDot: sorry about the mess. :(
# [05:01] <@bz> qDot: window.h--
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# [05:05] <@bz> er, windows.h--
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# [05:08] <@bz> Anyone know a server that allows XHR preflights so I can test the actual request?
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# [05:12] <KWierso> bz: http://ie.microsoft.com/testdrive/HTML5/CORSUpload/ ?
# [05:12] <KWierso> I think?
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# [05:19] <mina> bz: your review comment use *aValue instead of uri gives me a compile error: can't convert nsAttrValue* to nsIURI*
# [05:19] <mina> bz: is nsIURI* cartable to nsAttrValue* or something?
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# [05:19] <mina> bz: in this bug: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=696451
# [05:19] <mina> bz: castable*
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# [05:37] <reuben> RIP dom/src/foo
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# [05:40] <@bz> reuben: ?
# [05:40] <@bz> mina: See my comment in the bug just now
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# [05:40] <reuben> bz: that's the folder that was once used to restore balance to the tree (by pushing some mochitests to a new chunk)
# [05:40] <@bz> reuben: ah, heh
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# [05:44] <philor> KWierso: yeah, tossing me the keys?
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# [06:29] <shu> does MSVC not support calling an overloaded constructor from another constructor during initialization?
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# [06:36] <philor> we should really put together some sort of tree where you can test out patches on multiple platforms without the risk of closing a tree to everyone else if you break things
# [06:37] <shu> philor: one that auto-merges after green would be nice!
# [06:37] <philor> shu: green is a myth
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# [06:40] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/dc74db9e511e - Phil Ringnalda - Backed out 2 changesets (bug 872701)
# [06:41] <philor> 'k, inbound's open
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# [06:43] <philor> oh, you've survived first push before, haven't you?
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# [06:44] <ekr> I don't even think this code is exercised on tbpl
# [06:44] <philor> strike two
# [06:45] <ekr_> heh
# [06:45] <philor> if you say "I ran tests with this patch applied, though that was before I addressed review comments" I'm backing it out before the builds start
# [06:45] <reuben> shu: until a month or two ago, MSVC did not support delegating constructors, no
# [06:45] <ekr_> philor: tests?
# [06:45] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/64b24d431280 - Matt Woodrow - Bug 923290 - Don't use the window CGContext as a source with Moz2D. r=Bas
# [06:46] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/b73a8fa118dd - Matt Woodrow - Bug 923309 - Don't flush CGContext drawing to the window when we're only meant to be completing any pending drawing. r=Bas
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# [07:01] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/4dad2edca27e - Cameron McCormack - Bug 925193 - Offer "unset" when autocompleting properties in the style inspector. r=bzbarsky
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# [07:42] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/aa11ee736eff - Cameron McCormack - Bug 925218 - Include -moz-system-font as a component of the 'all' shorthand. r=dbaron
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# [07:58] <developers604> in which language this channel is running ? :(
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# [08:01] <philor> English
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# [08:04] <developers604> As a noob, can i ask here something ?
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# [08:09] <anirban> developer604 is now anirban
# [08:10] <anirban> I am interested in firefoxOS developing. Can i ask here something ?
# [08:11] <anirban> or is there another channel for firefox OS ?
# [08:12] <ewong> anirban: I think it's #b2g
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# [08:40] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> btw good morning :)
# [08:41] <philor> Tomcat|sheriffduty: beware fx-team, https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?showall=1&tree=Fx-Team&onlyunstarred=1
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# [08:43] <anirban> good morning!
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# [08:45] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> philor: oh hell
# [08:45] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> good morning anirban
# [08:45] <philor> Tomcat|sheriffduty: yeah, sweet deal, bustage in a hidden and permaorange suite, that probably says the tests on a third-party site that they actually pay attention to will be broken too :)
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# [08:47] <qDot> fuck.
# [08:47] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> philor: i guess we should let the developers know too
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# [08:48] * qDot puts in the saddest servicenow ever, the one asking for a visual studio license. :c
# [08:48] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> :)
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# [08:50] <qDot> Hmm. Are we staying on VS20whateveritis for now, or moving to VS2013 when it comes out next month?
# [08:51] * qDot does not want to be on this particular bleeding edge if he doesn't have to.
# [08:51] <gcp> We're on MSVC2010 I think because it's the last to properly support WinXP.
# [08:51] <qDot> Oh yeah.
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# [08:52] <qDot> I remember that fight now.
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# [08:56] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> good night philor|away
# [08:56] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/977afa826c5e - Andrea Marchesini - Bug 920015 - Expose DOM URL to js modules, r=ehsan, f=emk, r=bz, r=bholley, r=smaug
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# [09:17] <glandium> gcp: 2012 sp1 supports xp, but not out of the box, we'd need to adapt the build system for that
# [09:17] <glandium> (aiui)
# [09:17] <gcp> It wasn't clear to me whether the fixes for it Actually Worked or not.
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# [09:41] <capella> Do we have a per-tab cpu meter or some such thing?
# [09:42] <glandium> capella: no
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# [09:42] <capella> ah ... couldnt remember hearing of such a thing ...
# [09:43] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> maybe https://wiki.mozilla.org/Electrolysis#Enabling_Electrolysis helps in the future
# [09:43] * capella reads...
# [09:43] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> its says its already in nightlys but never tried it
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# [09:51] <heycam> I remember someone at the summit during bholley's talk ask about piggybacking off compartment entering/exiting to start/stop profiling, to measure load per tab
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# [09:52] <Ms2ger> But then again, I was probably tearing my hair out dealing with servo
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# [09:58] <glandium> Ms2ger: "dealing with servo"?
# [09:58] <Ms2ger> Writing code for it and fighting the type system
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# [10:06] <glosoli> Anyone using Aurora can confirm new tab page showing dropbox thumbnail as black box ?
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# [10:11] <jgilbert> heycam, nbp was working on about:cpu and something which sounds maybe-similar
# [10:11] <jgilbert> s/working/hacking/
# [10:11] <bholley> heycam: yeah, I remember that too
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# [10:11] <bholley> heycam: I think it was afterwards
# [10:12] <bholley> heycam: when a few people were standing around the podiumdesk
# [10:12] <bholley> heycam: which explains why Ms2ger didn't hear it
# [10:14] <bholley> Ms2ger: ping
# [10:14] <Ms2ger> Heya
# [10:15] <bholley> Ms2ger: do you understand why we have to do this transmutate? https://github.com/mozilla/servo/blob/master/src/components/script/dom/bindings/domparser.rs#L17
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# [10:17] <Ms2ger> bholley, don't immediately see it, try if it compiles without?
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# [10:17] <bholley> Ms2ger: good idea
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# [10:18] <bholley> files/mozilla/servo/src/components/script/dom/bindings/domparser.rs:17:8: 17:24 error: mismatched types: expected `&mut dom::bindings::utils::Reflector` but found `&dom::bindings::utils::Reflector` (values differ in mutability)
# [10:18] <Ms2ger> Aha
# [10:19] <Ms2ger> How about &mut self.reflector_?
# [10:19] <Ms2ger> heycam, SimonSapin also had issues with that phone number form
# [10:19] <heycam> Ms2ger, on the china visa application site?
# [10:19] <bholley> Ms2ger: hm, now I get lifetime errors
# [10:19] <bholley> files/mozilla/servo/src/components/script/dom/bindings/domparser.rs:17:8: 17:28 error: cannot infer an appropriate lifetime due to conflicting requirements
# [10:20] <bholley> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/3229148
# [10:20] <Ms2ger> heycam, yep
# [10:20] <Ms2ger> Mmm
# [10:20] <Ms2ger> Well, it is unsafe, I guess
# [10:20] <bholley> Ms2ger: so basically, it seems like you can't return a borrowed pointer, right?
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# [10:21] <Ms2ger> Maybe with a named lifetime?
# [10:21] <Ms2ger> The 'a bits
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# [10:21] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/f1c6028203de - Nicholas Nethercote - Bug 925235 - Remove unused MOZ_ALLOCATING_FUNCS variable from configure.in. r=glandium.
# [10:21] * bholley reads about named lifetimes
# [10:21] <Ms2ger> fn reflector<'a>(&'a mut self) -> &'a mut Reflector {
# [10:21] <Ms2ger> I think
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# [10:25] <Ms2ger> Though that probably means changing the trait
# [10:28] <bholley> Ms2ger: yeah, I'm doing that anyway
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# [10:39] <Optimizer> my tests are not even starting because of this error : TEST-INFO | (browser-test.js) | Console message: [JavaScript Error: "TypeError: this.tests.reduce is not a function" {file: "chrome://mochikit/content/browser-test.js" line: 184}]
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# [10:40] <Optimizer> anyone having any idea ?
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# [10:56] <nigelb> Morning edmorley
# [10:56] <edmorley> nigelb: good morning :-)
# [11:03] <glandium> good evening
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# [11:43] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/502404f03662 - Jon Coppeard - Bug 924690 - Remove unnecessary post-barriering of watchpoint hash table r=terrence
# [11:43] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/7ee370b5c6b0 - Jon Coppeard - Bug 922091 - Don't use RelocatablePtrObject on the stack in watchpoint code r=terrence
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# [11:47] <nigelb> Tomcat|sheriffduty: Hi! Just letting you know, I'm trying my hand at helping with sheriffing (yay summit)
# [11:47] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> nigelb: cool!
# [11:47] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> let me or edmorley know when you have questions
# [11:47] <glandium> nigelb: you must be really bored ;)
# [11:47] <nigelb> heh
# [11:48] <Unfocused> nigelb is the new perma-sheriff? awesome :)
# [11:48] <nigelb> dammit glandium, nearly swallowed my chewing gum laughing.
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# [11:48] <glandium> interesting, you can't retrigger a build if it's pending
# [11:48] <nigelb> Unfocused: Currently, I'm at http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/008/342/IHNIWIAD.jpg
# [11:49] <Unfocused> heh
# [11:49] <edmorley> Tomcat|sheriffduty: we're going over some bits in a /msg :-)
# [11:49] <nigelb> Yeah, I think Tomcat|sheriffduty got the build I was starring just before I could :)
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# [11:51] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> :)
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# [11:54] <ewong> nigelb was that sheriffing session recorded?
# [11:54] <nigelb> sadly, not.
# [11:54] <nigelb> it was 7 sessions in one room.
# [11:54] <nigelb> it would have been a mess to record too.
# [11:55] <ewong> :(
# [11:55] * ewong wonders if KWierso kept notes.
# [11:55] <nigelb> He did have notes, yes.
# [11:55] <ewong> oooh..
# [11:56] <ewong> KWierso, KWierso_ any chance you can put your Sheriffing notes online?
# [11:56] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> there is https://wiki.mozilla.org/Summit2013/Sessions/Sunday/Sheriffs
# [11:56] <ewong> OOoooh!!!
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# [12:00] <nrc> do we have a post condition macro?
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# [12:29] <Waldo> botond: hah, return type cycles; that's awesome
# [12:30] <Waldo> peanut gallery: referring to https://groups.google.com/a/isocpp.org/forum/#!topic/std-discussion/FDrjgcju2s0 (spawned from the C++1y newsgroup discussion, and talking about inferring return types, and how every return has to have exactly the same type, not that they all convert to some particular type)
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# [13:23] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> nigelb: can i still help you , i guess you pinged me :)
# [13:24] <nigelb> Tomcat|sheriffduty: heh, edmorley helped me out :)
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# [13:25] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> cool
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# [13:37] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/9a0b8400e7d9 - Kyle Machulis - Bug 915002 followup, CLOBBER for fixing WinXP
# [13:37] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/f4b5da60bbaa - Gaia Pushbot - Bumping gaia.json for 2 gaia-central revision(s) a=gaia-bump
# [13:38] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/4275b2654512 - Wes Kocher - Merge m-c to b2g-inbound
# [13:38] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/1e6cb8ed2c77 - Kyle Machulis - Backing out aa94c4753dcc (Bug 915002) due to WinXP breakage
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# [13:38] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/aa94c4753dcc - Kyle Machulis - Bug 915002: Convert optional notification arguments to webidl dictionary, add directional/lang arguments; r=bz r=fabrice
# [13:38] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/863ebb578c97 - Carsten "Tomcat" Book - merge b2g-inbound to mozilla-central
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# [13:52] <NeilAway> do we still need secret sauce to add a test without doing a top-level rebuild?
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# [13:53] <NeilAway> Waldo: let me guess: auto factorial(int n) { return n > 1 ? n * factorial(n - 1) : 1; }
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# [13:54] <Waldo> NeilAway: that's not the instance in the thread, but I suspect you can set up one that invokes some mutual inconsistency of sorts
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# [14:02] <NeilAway> did make check-interactive get replaced?
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# [14:24] <RyanVM> oh boy, Win64 bustage
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# [14:25] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/37ca290c9256 - Dan Gohman - Bug 924642 - SpiderMonkey: Apply internal name linkage using static keywords. r=njn
# [14:25] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/00e39c694626 - Dan Gohman - Bug 925088 - SpiderMonkey: Fold loads into branchTest32. r=nbp
# [14:25] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/92416820c9fa - Dan Gohman - Bug 925088 - SpiderMonkey: Micro-optimize x64's testStringTruthy. r=mjrosen
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# [14:26] <RyanVM> 24:53.89 c:\mozbuild\src\mozilla-central\ipc\chromium\src\chrome/common/ipc_message.h(35) : see declaration of 'IPC::Message'
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# [14:34] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/44c21dcf1274 - Dan Gohman - Bug 925088 - IonMonkey: Micro-optimize x86 and x64's branchTruncateDouble. r=jandem
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# [14:36] <NeilAway> ok, so I managed to install the new xpcshell test, but how do I run it these days?
# [14:36] <ted> NeilAway: ./mach xpcshell-test <path to test>
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# [14:37] <ted> RyanVM: that method was renamed recently, but that was like 2 weeks ago
# [14:37] <RyanVM> yeah
# [14:37] <RyanVM> and I've had good builds since
# [14:37] <NeilAway> ted: "An xpcshell.ini could not be found..."
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# [14:37] <RyanVM> ted: i'm waiting to see what this morning's merges to m-c do
# [14:37] <ted> hum
# [14:37] <ted> NeilAway: uh, hm
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# [14:40] <NeilAway> ted: ...and now I'm getting an ImportError
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# [14:49] <firebot> Check-in:
# [14:49] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/94bd7574eff1 - Benjamin Smedberg - Bug 753687 - nsCategoryCache implementation doesn't free old category entries if their contract mapping is removed using .unregisterFactory. Store the factory
# [14:49] <firebot> objects directly in the map, instead of keeping both a map and a separate list. r=froydnj
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# [14:58] <NeilAway> ted: hmm, working with TEST_PATH=toolkit am I running into a / vs \ issue?
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# [16:03] <paul> Is there a way to set the favicon of a page without changing the <link> tag? Maybe with some a docshell method?
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# [16:05] <jdm> paul: probably http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/toolkit/components/places/mozIAsyncFavicons.idl?force=1
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# [16:06] <paul> jdm: thank you!
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# [16:07] <paul> jdm: hmm… not sure it's what I want. In a firefox tab, we load a XUL chrome document ("about:app-manager"), I want to be able to dynamically change the favicon.
# [16:08] <jdm> hmm.
# [16:08] <paul> jdm: using <xhtml:link> works only once. Setting the href in JS doesn't update the icon
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# [16:09] <jdm> paul: not sure if we support that anywhere. maybe you just need to find the actual image in the tab and change it
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# [16:09] <paul> yeah, probably
# [16:09] <jdm> paul: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/browser/base/content/tabbrowser.xml#796
# [16:10] <@bz> paul: one sec
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# [16:11] <Rik> paul: looks like you have to replace the link element every time
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# [16:12] <paul> Rik: tried that.
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# [16:12] <@bz> paul: https://pastebin.mozilla.org/3230731
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# [16:12] <@bz> paul: that worksforme in that every click on the button changes the favicon the tab shows
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# [16:13] <@bz> paul: Which makes sense given how favicons are currently implemented....
# [16:13] <bkelly> quick tbpl question: should the b2g gaia tests show up with this link? https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?showall=1
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# [16:14] <paul> bz: you append it in document.head. Do we have that in a XUL document?
# [16:14] <paul> bz: anyway, I'll try. Thank you.
# [16:14] <Rik> bkelly: I see them on "Linux x64 Opt" line
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# [16:16] <paul> jdm: gBrowser.setIcon() work well. It's much easier. Thank you.
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# [16:29] <akeybl> RyanVM: beta approvals are finished for today
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# [16:30] <RyanVM> akeybl: ok, thanks
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# [16:48] <till> ehsan: now that's a letdown
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# [16:49] <mina> ICU too :)
# [16:49] <@ehsan> till: can you please be more specific?
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# [16:49] <till> ehsan: oh, I mean your latest comment in bug 915735
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# [16:50] <@ehsan> till: oh, the talos regressions?
# [16:50] <till> ehsan: yes. I had high hopes for your approach
# [16:50] <@ehsan> till: yeah... I kind of wished I knew more about how our PGO builds actually happen :(
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# [16:50] <@ehsan> but I've wasted too much time on this thing
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# [16:55] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/774d6d582f40 - David Caabeiro - Bug 897027 - Missing ToNumber conversion for Math.pow()/Math.atan() when passing only one argument. r=till
# [16:55] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/41e7e41afe1f - Mina Almasry - Bug 696451 - Reload <img> when crossOrigin attribute is set. r=bz
# [16:55] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/3bc7ae253cdf - Brian 'geeknik' Carpenter - Bug 924596 - Remove about:compartments from about:about. r=njn
# [16:55] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/5436d332c969 - Nikhil Marathe - Bug 484305 - Worker scripts should always be decoded as UTF-8. r=bent
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# [17:03] <armenzg> anyone having trouble pushing to try? https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=925354
# [17:03] <armenzg> I started a push 15 mins ago and it has not yet completed
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# [17:34] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/7057e2497752 - Jeff Gilbert - Bug 917160 - AssureBlitted before switching EGLSurfaces with MakeCurrent. r=bjacob, a=akeybl
# [17:34] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/883512212ee0 - Asaf Romano - Bug 912855 - Can't remove check-mark on "Load this bookmark in the sidebar". r=mak, a=akeybl
# [17:34] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/33970ef508b0 - Raymond Lee - Bug 886054 - Ensure that the {Promise} is returned before checking the "icon" case in checkItem(). r=Mano, a=test-only
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# [17:34] <Waldo> someone should wire up a faces.css to mozillians picture/IRC nick data
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# [17:35] <Waldo> maybe with manual hackery to support bots'n'such
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# [17:38] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/f03466d0e283 - Phil Ringnalda - Backed out changeset 44eee084be1d (bug 924660) for jit-test failures
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# [17:50] <Waldo> ehsan: you should direct people to bugs, and/or IRC, before suggesting direct mail that's so much less visible/transparent/amenable to open discussion with interested third parties :-)
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# [17:50] <NeilAway> Waldo++
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# [17:50] <NeilAway> Waldo: (for mozillians faces)
# [17:50] <@ehsan> Waldo: context?
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# [17:51] <Waldo> ehsan: the nsRefPtr/RefPtr forget() inconsistency, which ekr tells me you and/or others said to poke about via direct mail
# [17:51] <ekr> ehsan: maybe I misunderstood, though?
# [17:51] <@ehsan> I never said such a thing!!!
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# [17:51] <Waldo> heh
# [17:51] <ekr> Oh, so it's totally my fault then
# [17:51] <Waldo> unanimity of opinions! :-D
# [17:51] <ekr> Anyway, bug filed now
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# [17:52] <@ehsan> Waldo: which reminds me I upvoted daniel.haxx.se/blog/2013/10/08/dont-email-me/ on hacker news just this morning
# [17:52] <@ehsan> which also reminds me, we should fix this copy from location bar drops http:// bug at some point!
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# [17:53] <Waldo> ehsan: usually it doesn't, is this just some one weird case that I've seen but esoterically enough I've forgotten about it?
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# [17:53] <ekr> OK, bug filed and updated iwth my proposal: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=925371
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# [17:54] <@ehsan> Waldo: it drops http:// if the navigation is not completed iirc
# [17:54] * @ehsan thought this bug was known?
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# [17:55] <Waldo> ehsan: probably is
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# [17:59] <glosoli> Is there some way to check if FF has pdf.js included ? I mean from the client side js scripts
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# [18:01] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/3046b6eb790c - Geoff Brown - Bug 851861 - Enable robocop testLoad, testPanCorrectness, etc
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# [18:08] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/28bce17c7c50 - Monica Chew - Bug 916126 - Backout changes to ExecuteDesiredAction only in the download manager. r=paolo, ba=akeybl
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# [18:13] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/45f35cc52ceb - Ed Morley - Backed out changeset 774d6d582f40 (bug 897027) for assertions
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# [18:14] <froydnj> what is the/is there a magic syntax for searching for class::method calls in dxr?
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# [18:18] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/14fd6fa23a16 - Cervantes Yu - Bug 922461: fix unused variable in CloneManagees() of actors that doesn't manage other protocols. r=bent
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# [18:18] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/ae540d172def - Daniel Holbert - Bug 925142: Remove unnecessary includes from ContainerLayerD3D9.cpp and ContainerLayerD3D10.cpp. r=nical
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# [18:29] <froydnj> abr: I don't think you have enough toolchains in your dev.platform example
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# [18:30] <abr> froydnj: I was actually a bit surprised that there's no direct path from java source to llvm bitcode.
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# [18:32] <matthewgertner> if I have a script loaded from disk using my own protocol handler and I want it to be able to call stuff in a remote script that I load via HTTPS, is that something that is done using a CSP?
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# [18:32] <matthewgertner> or does the document just have to be associated with the right principal (that subsumes the domain of the remote script?)
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# [18:32] <matthewgertner> I can't figure out how to do this in JS without giving my document the system principal, which I don't want to do
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# [18:38] <ted> abr: that is surprising, you'd think someone would have done a gcj-but-on-llvm
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# [18:50] <@smaug> jaws: ping
# [18:50] <jaws> smaug: pong
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# [18:50] <@smaug> jaws: do we have a regression to not load all the tabs on startup
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# [18:50] <@smaug> even if one has the pref set to do that
# [18:51] <@smaug> since I just realized I have tens of tab not being loaded
# [18:51] <jaws> smaug: not that i know of. are you seeing it load them all with the pref set to not load them? or the other way around?
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# [18:51] <jaws> smaug: it could be related to bug 900910 i guess?
# [18:51] <jaws> firebot: bug 900910
# [18:51] <firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=900910 nor, --, ---, smacleod, ASSI, SessionStore.onLoad missed for a window that opened before the first window in the session fired bro
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# [18:52] <@smaug> hmm, maybe
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# [18:52] <@smaug> jaws: so I'd like all the tabs to be loaded, but they are not
# [18:53] <jaws> ok, well there is the "Reload All Tabs" context menuitem but i haven't seen a regression come through
# [18:53] <jaws> smacleod: any idea? ^
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# [18:53] <jaws> ttaubert: ^
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# [18:54] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/714ed2e78ce2 - Gregory Szorc - Bug 917988 - Remove copyright string from build docs config because it isn't used
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# [18:56] <@smaug> jaws: let me retry. restarting...
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# [18:56] <smacleod> jaws / smaug: off the top of my head I don't know of anything that would regress that. I'm not very familiar with the way that functions though
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# [18:56] <Pike> ehsan: why I put you on that email - I wondered if you hit that artifact when resurrecting the cvs history into the git repo
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# [18:56] <jaws> smacleod: smaug just rejoined.
# [18:57] <jaws> <smacleod> jaws / smaug: off the top of my head I don't know of anything that would regress that. I'm not very familiar with the way that functions though
# [18:57] <@ehsan> Pike: hmm
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# [18:57] <@ehsan> Pike: let me check
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# [18:57] <jaws> smacleod: ok, thanks for looking
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# [18:57] <@smaug> jaws: not happening this time, but I think I've seen it few times
# [18:57] <@ehsan> Pike: have you looked at https://github.com/jrmuizel/mozilla-cvs-history ?
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# [18:58] <@ehsan> Pike: I mean, the git repo never had an author map file... :/
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# [19:00] <Pike> nope, I didn't look at that. giving that a whirl now
# [19:00] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/ffbc9ebb0699 - Ehsan Akhgari - Bug 924019 - Do not assume that PRUnichar and UniChar/unichar are the same type; r=smichaud
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# [19:01] <Pike> also, "crunching the latest data" is such a sweet message for letting github do some calculations on that repo
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# [19:01] <Pike> also, "We don't have enough data to show you anything useful. It usually takes about a week. "
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# [19:01] <@ehsan> hmm
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# [19:01] <@ehsan> Pike: for that, look at the mozilla/mozilla-central repo
# [19:01] <@ehsan> I believe the fancy charts and stuff work on that repo
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# [19:04] <NeilAway> ehsan: strictly speaking bug 895047 doesn't actually affect Windows builds does it?
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# [19:08] <@ehsan> NeilAway: no http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/mfbt/Char16.h#34
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# [19:09] <@bz_away> Is __WINDOWS__ defined by windows.h?
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# [19:09] <@ehsan> Pike: yeah the stats are kind of useless
# [19:09] <@bz_away> Or is there some other way to tell that windows.h has been included?
# [19:09] <@ehsan> there is
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# [19:09] <@ehsan> #ifdef GetEvent ;)
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# [19:09] <@bz_away> I guess the real question is what the best way is
# [19:09] <@ehsan> oh
# [19:09] <@bz_away> ehsan: we might have undeffed it locally
# [19:09] <@ehsan> what do you really need to know?
# [19:10] <@bz_away> Let me describe my problem. ;)
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# [19:10] <@bz_away> So bindings currently do this unified thing
# [19:10] <@bz_away> Where a bunch of .cpp files are all #included into one file
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# [19:10] <Pike> also, github doesn't like surfing through the commit page 6000+ at all
# [19:10] <@bz_away> Or rather into ~20 files
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# [19:11] <@ehsan> right
# [19:11] <@bz_away> When you add a new binding, the existing ones shift around
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# [19:11] <@bz_away> So now if some binding .cpp ends up including windows.h
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# [19:11] <@bz_away> then it will affect all the stuff #included after it
# [19:11] <NeilAway> bz_away: my copy defines _WINDOWS_
# [19:11] <@ehsan> yes
# [19:11] <@bz_away> and if such a .cpp moves from the end of one unified file to the start of the next one
# [19:11] <@bz_away> you get weird build bustage
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# [19:11] <@ehsan> hrm
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# [19:11] <NeilAway> bz_away: my other copy also defines _WINDOWS_
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# [19:11] <@bz_away> because suddenly a bunch of code that wasn't expecting its DispatchEvent and whatnot to be redefined has it redefined
# [19:12] <@ehsan> bz_away: can we bite the bullet and #include <windows.h> in all of them?
# [19:12] <NeilAway> (I had an old SDK lying around)
# [19:12] <@bz_away> ehsan: We're proposing the opposite
# [19:12] <@ehsan> and #undef everything that we need?
# [19:12] <@bz_away> ehsan: after each .cpp include, assert that it did not pull in windows.h
# [19:12] <@bz_away> ehsan: so if someone breaks that, _they_ have the build bustage
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# [19:12] <@ehsan> oh I see
# [19:12] <@bz_away> ehsan: on their own patch
# [19:12] <@ehsan> but avoiding windows.h is not always an option
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# [19:12] <@bz_away> ehsan: and can fix their headers to Not Do That
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# [19:13] <@bz_away> Well, that's possible.
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# [19:13] <@bz_away> So this approach might fail.
# [19:13] <@bz_away> But I wanted to give it a shot first...
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# [19:13] <@ehsan> I think it will :)
# [19:13] <@ehsan> well
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# [19:13] <@ehsan> you can use the _WINODWS_ trick
# [19:13] <@bz_away> ok
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# [19:13] <@ehsan> but just be warned that this will make somebody's life miserable at some point :)
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# [19:14] <@bz_away> I don
# [19:14] <@bz_away> I don't think we can avoid misery here
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# [19:14] <@bz_away> But we can at least make it so the misery incidence is more correct
# [19:14] <@ehsan> ok
# [19:14] <@ehsan> the _WINDOWS_ trick is not very reliable
# [19:14] <@bz_away> hmm
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# [19:14] <@bz_away> Why not?
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# [19:14] <@ehsan> but I doubt microsoft changes that in the future
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# [19:15] <@bz_away> (as in, do other things define it, or does windows.h not always define it?)
# [19:15] <@ehsan> I bet money people already rely on it :)
# [19:15] <@bz_away> Yeah
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# [19:15] <@ehsan> it's not "documented"
# [19:15] <@bz_away> Alright, thanks.
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# [19:15] <@ehsan> so it might break in the future
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# [19:15] <@ehsan> but "who cares?" :)
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# [19:16] <@bz_away> I guess the "always include it" approach could work if it's the very first include in the binding .cpp
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# [19:16] <@bz_away> and then we carefully #undef the world
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# [19:16] <@ehsan> yeah that's what I meant to suggest
# [19:16] <@ehsan> sorry if I was cryptic
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# [19:17] <mbrubeck> #all unset
# [19:17] <@bz_away> No, it makes sense
# [19:17] <@bz_away> also requires that the callees not include it
# [19:17] <@bz_away> or undef
# [19:17] <@ehsan> that way we fix this once and for all
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# [19:17] <@bz_away> or only use virtual and inline methods...
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# [19:18] <@bz_away> Because otherwise you'll see the unmangled name and they'll see the mangled one and linking will fail
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# [19:18] <@bz_away> (whose bright idea was macros for common terms anyway??)
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# [19:19] <@ehsan> bz_away: win32 does this to get away with their narrow and wide APIs
# [19:19] <@ehsan> but yeah it's terrible
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# [19:19] <@ehsan> everybody agrees on that ;)
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# [19:19] <@ehsan> but I guess microsoft never optimizes for cross platform code
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# [19:28] <ted> abr: man, i don't know what translation software that guy is using on that dev.platform thread, but it's sorta hilarious
# [19:29] <abr> ted: Yeah, I've been boggling at that too.
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# [19:30] <@bz_away> Array.prototype.map.call(new TextEncoder("UTF-8").encode(str), c => String.fromCharCode(c)).join("")
# [19:30] <@bz_away> Worst Hack Ever
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# [19:31] <dholbert> ted, I don't think it's translation software
# [19:31] <@bz_away> can someone see a simpler way to stick a non-ASCII string into a request header with XHR? ;)
# [19:31] <Gijs> bz_away: wtf
# [19:31] <dholbert> ted, his misspellings are generally off by one key, on the keyboard
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# [19:31] <ted> dholbert: huh
# [19:31] <dholbert> "do bot do Dell enough" s/b/n/, s/D/w/
# [19:31] <ted> i guess he's just a really terrible typist?
# [19:31] * @bz_away thinks we should add a version of setRequestHeader that takes a typed array....
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# [19:31] <@bz_away> ted: Sent from his iPhone?
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# [19:32] <dholbert> ted "young" = "going"
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# [19:32] <Gijs> bz_away: I'm confused anyhow. What does TextEncoder output, a typed array?
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# [19:32] <@bz_away> Gijs: yes
# [19:32] <@bz_away> dholbert: maybe he's using (bad) OCR?
# [19:32] * Gijs would write [].map anyway
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# [19:32] <glosoli> is there some api accessible by JS that would provide me with an access to check whether Firefox has pdf plugin or not ?
# [19:32] <dholbert> bz_away, iPhone/autocorrect sounds like a winner
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# [19:32] <@bz_away> Gijs: heh, didn't think of that
# [19:32] <@bz_away> glosoli: does pdf.js count as a PDF plugin?
# [19:33] <glosoli> bz_away: I guess so, I would like to count it :)
# [19:33] <froydnj> bz_away: does TextDecoder support latin-1?
# [19:33] <@bz_away> glosoli: Then no
# [19:33] <glosoli> bz_away: So there is literally no way to check whether pdf.js is enabled... ?
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# [19:33] <@bz_away> froydnj: I would think so...
# [19:33] <Gijs> bz_away: but erm, why can't it just pass the str? Can't you set the charset in the header and doesn't that Just Work?
# [19:33] <@bz_away> glosoli: well, _that_ might be checkable
# [19:33] <@bz_away> Gijs: no
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# [19:33] <Gijs> that is sad.
# [19:33] <@bz_away> Gijs: HTTP does not allow headers that are not ISO-8859-1
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# [19:34] <Gijs> ahhhhh.
# [19:34] <froydnj> bz_away: something like new TextDecoder("latin-1").decode(new TextEncoder("UTF-8").encode(str))?
# [19:34] <glosoli> bz_away: hmm
# [19:34] <Gijs> yes, from the time when it was just the US on the internet.
# [19:34] <@bz_away> Gijs: so setRequestHeader just drops the high byte of every 16-bit unit
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# [19:34] <ted> unicode in JS :-(
# [19:34] <Gijs> sadfaces :(
# [19:34] <@bz_away> froydnj: oh, that'll likely give you replacement chars or something for stuff that's not actully represntable in latin-1?
# [19:34] <mccr8> Is there a bug on file already for 2-finger touchpad scrolling not working on OSX in Nightly?
# [19:34] <@bz_away> froydnj: but maybe
# [19:34] <@bz_away> glosoli: let me test something
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# [19:34] <glosoli> bz_away: ok:)
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# [19:35] <froydnj> bz_away: latin-1 covers all 256 bytes...doesn't it? so you shouldn't get replacements
# [19:35] <Gijs> bz_away: wait, but then presumably that also doesn't work?
# [19:35] <froydnj> or something
# [19:35] <Gijs> froydnj: you mean bits?
# [19:35] <@bz_away> glosoli: yOU ONLY NEED THIS IN fIREFOX?
# [19:35] <@bz_away> er...
# [19:35] <@bz_away> caps lock fail
# [19:35] <@bz_away> glosoli: You only need this in Firefox?
# [19:35] <froydnj> Gijs: no, I mean bytes, but I am being sloppy with my terminology here
# [19:35] <@bz_away> Gijs: which "that"?
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# [19:36] <glosoli> bz_away: nah I need to implement checking whether browser supports pdf previewing, and if not provide user with download link for the document :)
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# [19:36] <glosoli> or show some custom message
# [19:36] <@bz_away> You can't do that without collateral damage
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# [19:36] <@bz_away> my advice is to just have an iframe with the pdf in it
# [19:36] <@bz_away> and then the users who have no inline viewer will get a download dialog.
# [19:36] <glosoli> bz_away: how It would work ?
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# [19:36] <@bz_away> no?
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# [19:37] <glosoli> bz_away: I am not sure
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# [19:37] <@bz_away> glosoli: It does.
# [19:37] <Gijs> bz_away: sorry, I mean the original hack. If I understood you correctly, if the typed array has anything which is represented as > 1 byte in UTF-8, then the actual header sending code will drop it. I'm probably missing something stupid. Charsets are hard and I don't pretend to fully understand them.
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# [19:38] <glosoli> bz_away: how do I supply the message, just write it in iframe and it will be displayed if no browser plugin available ?
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# [19:39] <froydnj> bz_away: anyway, I think that works OK, but whether it's any more obvious what's going on...
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# [19:39] <@bz_away> e.g. you can do...
# [19:39] <@bz_away> <iframe id="test" src="data:application/pdf,"></iframe>
# [19:39] <@bz_away> <script>
# [19:39] <@bz_away> window.onload = function() {
# [19:39] <@bz_away> try {
# [19:39] <@bz_away> document.getElementById("test").contentDocument.firstChild;
# [19:39] <@bz_away> alert("PDF.js not installed");
# [19:39] <@bz_away> } catch (e) {
# [19:39] <@bz_away> alert("PDF.js installed");
# [19:39] <@bz_away> }
# [19:39] <@bz_away> }
# [19:39] <@bz_away> </script>
# [19:39] <@bz_away> But that will pop up a dialog for people without pdf.js
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# [19:39] <@bz_away> and depends on a pdf.js bug
# [19:40] * Mook_as wonders if unescape(encodeURIComponent(str)) is available in that TextEncoder-using context
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# [19:40] <glosoli> depends on pdf.js bug means it won't work when it get fixed ?
# [19:40] <@bz_away> glosoli: Oh, so....
# [19:40] <@bz_away> glosoli: have you considered this:
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# [19:41] <@bz_away> <object data="data:application/pdf,">
# [19:41] <@bz_away> You have no PDF reader
# [19:41] <@bz_away> </object>
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# [19:41] <@bz_away> And in fact, just point that to your PDF
# [19:41] <nemo> bz_away: so. I was reading news.ycombinator.com...
# [19:41] <@bz_away> <object data="http://link/to/pdf">
# [19:41] <nemo> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6528755
# [19:41] <glosoli> bz_away: thanks sir! I did not know one can do that
# [19:41] <nemo> this was just posted
# [19:41] <nemo> Curious, I checked it in firefox on my site
# [19:41] <@bz_away> <a href="whatever">Donwload it</a>
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# [19:41] <@bz_away> </object>
# [19:41] <nemo> an an anchor.host did not return the port for https
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# [19:41] <glosoli> bz_away: thanks! :)
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# [19:41] <nemo> what's odd is if I read MDN...
# [19:41] <@bz_away> nemo: looking
# [19:41] <nemo> https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/URLUtils.host
# [19:41] <nemo> linked from
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# [19:42] <nemo> https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/HTMLAnchorElement
# [19:42] <nemo> includes the default :80 in their example
# [19:42] <nemo> Is Firefox contradicting MDN?
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# [19:43] <@bz_away> nemo: MDN says:
# [19:43] <@bz_away> URLUtils.host
# [19:43] <@bz_away> Is a DOMString representing the hostname and port (if it's not the default port) in the referenced URL.
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# [19:43] <@bz_away> nemo: on the HTMLAnchorElement page
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# [19:44] <@bz_away> nemo: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/URLUtils.host is just lying
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# [19:44] <@bz_away> nemo: let me verify that claim. ;)
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# [19:44] <@bz_away> Spec says:
# [19:44] <@bz_away> The host attribute must run these steps:
# [19:44] <@bz_away> If url is null, return the empty string.
# [19:44] <@bz_away> If port is the empty string, return host, serialized.
# [19:44] <@bz_away> Return host, serialized, ":", and port concatenated.
# [19:45] <mccr8> khuey: it was turned on again recently
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# [19:45] <@bz_away> So what determines whether the port is empty?
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# [19:45] <@bz_away> http://url.spec.whatwg.org/#port-state
# [19:45] <@bz_away> If buffer is equal to url's scheme's default port, set buffer to the empty string.
# [19:45] <nemo> bz_away: so. IE is wrong
# [19:45] <@bz_away> So https://foo.com:443 is wrong
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# [19:45] <nemo> don't suppose you have a ycombinator account? :)
# [19:45] <@bz_away> as the spec is currently written
# [19:45] <@bz_away> I do
# [19:45] <nemo> or rather, IE *and* MDN are wrong ;)
# [19:46] <nemo> maybe IE implemented by reading MDN :D
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# [19:46] <Ms2ger> Hi bz_away :)
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# [19:47] <nemo> bz_away: heh. someone in article quoting MDN already
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# [19:47] <nemo> let the chaos begin!
# [19:47] <nemo> er. in ycombinator discussion
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# [19:47] <billm> jhammel: ping
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# [19:49] <nemo> bz_away: ah. and someone has just gone through the steps you posted above
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# [19:49] <nemo> moral. I should be more suspicious of MDN :)
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# [19:51] <@bz_away> nemo: docs fixed
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# [19:52] <nemo> nice
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# [19:53] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/bcadc378309d - Bill McCloskey - Bug 924259 - Fix error message when httpd.js is already running (r=Waldo)
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# [19:53] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/6b615c52de2c - Bill McCloskey - Bug 923528 - js/src/configure.in differs from configure.in in JS_GC_ZEAL setting (r=sfink)
# [19:53] <nemo> So IE is wrong and the MDN documentation is misleading. I've fixed the latter; can't do much about IE. ;)
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# [19:53] <nemo> heh
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# [19:54] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> decoder: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=28939126&tree=Mozilla-Aurora
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# [19:54] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> ah crap, did we never uplift all the various ASAN fixups to Aurora?
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# [19:56] <@bz_away> nemo: true statement
# [19:56] <@bz_away> nemo: if the IE source were a wiki.....
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# [19:59] <jhammel> billm: pong
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# [20:00] <jhammel> billm: pong
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# [20:00] <froydnj> EPONGOVERLOAD
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# [20:01] <@bz_away> you mean EPONGOVERFLOW?
# [20:01] <billm> jhammel: I wanted to ask about bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=924253
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# [20:01] <billm> jhammel: and whether you might know what regressed it or how to fix it
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# [20:02] <jhammel> billm: i can't precisely say i do; i do know that the underlying mozprocess code has output buffering issues
# [20:02] <jhammel> which i would wildly guess is the root cause
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# [20:02] <jhammel> the fix is hard to guess at, as i'm not sure preciely of the problem
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# [20:03] <billm> jhammel: well, the problem is that the fix-stack.pl code is reading from the same pipe as the normal output collection, and they're running simultaneously
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# [20:04] <billm> jhammel: I'm pretty sure it broke within the last two weeks. have there been any changes to that code since then?
# [20:04] <jhammel> billm: hmmm, is that true? if so, that is the bug
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# [20:04] <jhammel> billm: yes, bug 746243
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# [20:05] <billm> jhammel: oh, ok. I guess that could have caused it :-).
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# [20:05] <billm> jhammel: yeah, that's the bug. I'm just not sure how to fix it.
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# [20:06] <billm> jhammel: or, really, how it's supposed to work
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# [20:06] <jhammel> billm: it was intended that the stdout from e.g. firefox is piped to fixstack.pl
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# [20:08] <billm> jhammel: let me look at the code for a sec...
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# [20:09] <NeilAway> bz: unescape(encodeURIComponent(str)) ?
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# [20:10] <NeilAway> Mook_as: sorry, I was still reading scrollback
# [20:10] <rforbes> is there any really good documentation on the windows build?
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# [20:10] <rforbes> things like what each DLL does and such?
# [20:11] <@bz> NeilAway: hrm
# [20:11] <@bz> NeilAway: I guess that'll have the right effect, nice.
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# [20:12] <Mook_as> NeilAway: no worries, I assumed it was you before I actually read your message anyway ;)
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# [20:14] <billm> jhammel: ok, so it looks like the code that sets up the stack fixer needs to tell the regular output handler code not to run
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# [20:15] <billm> jhammel: I'm not sure how to do that though. by the time we start the stack fixer, a thread to collect the output is already running
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# [20:16] <billm> jhammel: anyway, could you please get someone to look into this? it's a pretty serious regression from the old behavior. I spent a whole day tracking it down in strace and it would suck if someone else ran into the problem and had to do the same.
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# [20:18] <jhammel> billm: sure, i'll endeavor to do so tomorrow
# [20:18] <billm> jhammel: thanks very much!
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# [20:19] <jhammel> which isn't to say it will be solved then, but hopefully i can diagnose it better
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# [20:20] <@bz> NeilAway: "webgl"?
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# [20:23] <Optimizer> bz: ping
# [20:24] <@bz> Optimizer: ack
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# [20:24] <Optimizer> I think I am correct, but how can I confirm that
# [20:24] <Optimizer> domUtils.getCSSValuesForProperty("all") returns every possible known value
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# [20:25] <Optimizer> bz: ^
# [20:25] <@bz> Optimizer: I have no idea. ;)
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# [20:25] <@bz> Though actually...
# [20:25] <@bz> the only valid values for "all" are unset/inherit/initial
# [20:25] <@bz> no?
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# [20:26] <Optimizer> no
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# [20:27] <Optimizer> i can manually see almost every value
# [20:27] <Optimizer> i want to confirm
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# [20:28] <Optimizer> bz: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/3231863
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# [20:28] <dustin> where do I find the output of do_print(..) in an xpcshell test?
# [20:28] <@bz> Optimizer: per spec, the only values "all" allows are those three
# [20:29] <@bz> Optimizer: we need to special-case it in domUtils.getCSSValuesForProperty, sounds like. :(
# [20:29] <Optimizer> so... its a bug :D
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# [20:33] <KWierso> ewong|away, ewong|sleep: mbrubeck also put up some notes here https://etherpad.mozilla.org/sheriffing-mozilla-summit
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# [20:38] <dustin> :( grep suggests "nowhere"
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# [20:38] <froydnj> dustin: are you running with --verbose?
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# [20:38] <ted> dustin: we don't output the test output unless it fails
# [20:38] <ted> or you run with --verbose
# [20:39] <dustin> ah
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# [20:39] <dustin> The xpcshell-test command does not accept the arguments: --verbose
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# [20:40] <@ehsan> khuey: I suck at spelling your last name :(
# [20:40] <@ehsan> get it wrong every single time
# [20:40] <ted> really?
# [20:40] <Ms2ger> Huey?
# [20:40] <Ms2ger> It's not nearly as hard as Mielczarek
# [20:40] <ted> that's pretty funny coming from someone with a last name that 99% of the channel probably can't spell :)
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# [20:42] <khuey> ehsan: how do you screw it up?
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# [20:42] <khuey> ted: ehsan has a last name? ;-)
# [20:42] <ted> hah
# [20:42] <@ehsan> khuey: Heuy :/
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# [20:43] <@ehsan> ted: what's wrong with my last name?! :P
# [20:43] <khuey> ehsan: :-P
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# [20:43] <@ehsan> the problem with khuey's is that it's so damn simple!
# [20:43] <@ehsan> and I still get it wrong
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# [20:43] * @bz has no problem with ehsan's last name
# [20:43] <@ehsan> it's like a constant reminder that I cannot spell
# [20:43] <@bz> but ms2ger's......
# [20:43] <catlee> submit a bug to get it changed
# [20:43] <@ehsan> bz: ""?
# [20:43] <@ehsan> that's easier than my last name
# [20:44] <Ms2ger> I believe the next summit should be in Germany
# [20:44] <Ms2ger> Then we could call it MS2: Ger
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# [20:44] <khuey> bz: "Ger" is pretty easy
# [20:44] <ted> that won't localize well
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# [20:44] <@bz> ehsan: More like http://blogs.browardpalmbeach.com/countygrind/Prince%20logo.png
# [20:44] <@ehsan> bz: lol
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# [20:44] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/b26717579eed - Byron Campen [:bwc] - Bug 925361 - TestStunServer will retry opening its listen socket by incrementing the port, to a maximum of 10 times. r=ekr
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# [20:44] <Ms2ger> bz, how did you know?
# [20:45] <@ehsan> Ms2ger: so, is it "ger" like in Germany or "ger" like it trigger?
# [20:45] <@bz> ms2ger: Amazing perspicuity.
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# [20:45] <Ms2ger> ehsan, pronunciation? Either way
# [20:45] <ted> ms2ger told me there's no canonical pronunciation
# [20:45] <ted> which is bullshit
# [20:45] <@ehsan> haha
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# [20:45] <ted> but what are you going to do
# [20:45] <@ehsan> yes, it is bullshit, I concur!
# [20:45] <Ms2ger> I should put that on my badge next time :)
# [20:45] <mbrubeck> "mess too grrr"
# [20:45] <@bz> Or perhaps perspicacity.....
# [20:46] <@bz> Depending on which of us we're talking about.
# [20:46] <Ms2ger> mbrubeck, "grrrr, that question again"
# [20:46] <ted> maybe if we start calling him "Ms. Tiger" enough he'll tell us how to say it
# [20:46] <Ms2ger> ted, wfm
# [20:46] <@ehsan> lol
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# [20:46] <@ehsan> ted++
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# [20:46] <@ehsan> Ms. Tiger it is!
# [20:46] <@bz> ted: mmm... so if he has kids....
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# [20:46] <@bz> ted: Does that make him a Tiger Mom?
# [20:46] <mmc|laptop> hey gavin, can you chime in on https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=916126 about nsitransfer? i need to wrap up my involvement in this bug today
# [20:46] <Ms2ger> bz++
# [20:47] <ted> haha
# [20:47] <sfink> I've added him as "Ms. Twoger", which is really distracting when he's listed on a mail header
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# [20:47] <@ehsan> bz++
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# [20:47] <Ms2ger> sfink, sorry, I won't email you again
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# [20:48] <sfink> have you ever? I think it's mostly cc's
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# [20:49] <Ms2ger> sfink, about one of your bz extensions, probably
# [20:49] <Ms2ger> Other bz
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# [20:49] <sfink> "bz extensions" sounds like a very targeted spam
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# [20:50] <cpeterson> sfink++
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# [20:52] <@gavin> mmc|laptop: replied in bug
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# [20:52] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> mstange: heh, didn't realize that patch was in there :)
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# [20:53] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> mstange: any idea which of those patches actually caused the hangs?
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# [20:58] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> jimm: so I think I know the cause of bug 892990
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# [20:58] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> but no idea WTF it's causing it
# [20:58] <@bz> Causing the cause?
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# [20:58] <jimm> RyanVM|sheriffduty: can you point me to the patch/bug?
# [20:58] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/pushloghtml?fromchange=a75301db9899&tochange=f900daf35771
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# [20:58] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> I think it's the telemetry patch
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# [20:59] <jimm> hmm
# [20:59] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> jimm: which actually makes sense given that it appears to only ever happen on trunk
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# [20:59] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> look at the tbpl stars, never on aurora or beta
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# [21:01] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> jimm: for something that started in early July, I would have expected to see *some* failures on aurora/beta by now
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# [21:01] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> even as intermittent as it is
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# [21:02] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> jimm: i will bisect down to the specific cset of those two, but I thought you'd be interested :)
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# [21:02] <jimm> I don't see how that patch would change any behavior in nightly builds we use to run tests
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# [21:03] <jimm> the other one is a browser front end patch
# [21:03] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> jimm: fwiw, this is the push prior to those two - https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=0f4d116ccd5b
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# [21:04] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> and two more earlier pushes - https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=20273ec42c32
# [21:04] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=61f807f70322
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# [21:04] <dustin> I'm getting failures in browser/components/places/tests/unit/test_browserGlue_shutdown.js around line 89. It looks like the last modification time of the bookmark file isn't changing during the test, because it's rounded to the nearest second
# [21:05] <jimm> I'd suggest confirming that telemetry config change is the actual cuplrit. I'd be surprised, but crazier stuff has happened.
# [21:05] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=061daaa77602
# [21:05] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> another one a few pushes earlier than that
# [21:05] <dustin> but it seems like that test would (almost) never pass, then - what am I missing?
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# [21:05] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> jimm: i'm obviously doing my darndest to get it to happen earlier than that, but can't make it happen :)
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# [21:06] <mstange> RyanVM|sheriffduty: the hangs were probably caused by the second or third patch in bug 886999. I'm currently waiting for a build on a 10.6 machine to finish, so that I can debug it
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# [21:06] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> ok
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# [21:07] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> jimm: but f900daf35771 is confirmed failing
# [21:07] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> so I'll push the telemetry revert next
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# [21:08] <jimm> RyanVM|sheriffduty: it'll be interesting to see which cset is responsible
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# [21:08] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> jimm: can't say I'm overly optimistic about finding a root cause on this given where it's happening :(
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# [21:11] <philor> RyanVM|sheriffduty: I think after a few more, we're going to have to accept that rc1 is permaorange on aurora
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# [21:12] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> philor: yeah, had noticed that it wasn't looking good
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# [21:12] <philor> I'm always surprised when we do notice that something like that goes perma
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# [21:14] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/371ed1f8661f - Brian Hackett - Bug 923892 - Ignore constrainedOutputs when canceling off thread compilations, r=jandem.
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# [21:16] <@ehsan> botond: can you please give me a few examples of how participating in the C++ Committee has helped other similar organizations?
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# [21:16] <@ehsan> (this seems *very* interesting btw!)
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# [21:17] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> philor: doesn't help that there doesn't seem to be an obvious culprit either
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# [21:18] <aceman> hi, is there a method on XUL <tree> to return a row element?
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# [21:19] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> philor: hah, same here
# [21:19] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> first reaction: holy crap this goes back a wayw
# [21:19] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> ways*
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# [21:21] <philor> yeah, my gut feeling that we wouldn't notice robocop permaorange looks to be pretty true
# [21:21] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> philor: this is starting to get embarrasingly bad
# [21:21] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> i'm into september
# [21:21] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> ah
# [21:21] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> it's lucasr's big dump
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# [21:22] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> figures
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# [21:26] <dustin> ideas who would review a trivial fix to a bookmarks test (bug 925458)
# [21:26] <dustin> I could just pick someone too..
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# [21:27] <dholbert> dustin, "hg log" on the file and/or directory should give you some ideas
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# [21:28] <philor> RyanVM|sheriffduty: http://brasstacks.mozilla.com/orangefactor/?display=OrangeFactor&endday=2013-10-10&startday=2013-10-03&tree=mozilla-aurora - pretty sweet that permaorange doesn't even stand out :)
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# [21:28] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> heh
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# [21:28] <dustin> dholbert: good call, tx
# [21:28] <dholbert> np
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# [21:31] <aceman> any idea why tree.contentView.getItemAtIndex is undefined?
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# [21:31] <Gijs> aceman: did you queryInterface to nsITreeView?
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# [21:31] <aceman> no
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# [21:36] <aceman> Gijs: still no luck. Neither with .view.getItemAtIndex
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# [21:39] <aceman> Gijs: any idea?
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# [21:41] <Gijs> aceman: can you eval tree.contentView in the web/browser console and see what's going on?
# [21:41] <Gijs> That's probably the easiest...
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# [21:41] <aceman> ok, thanks
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# [21:44] <botond-laptop> ehsan: for example, microsoft has a concurrency-related language extension called async/await. they are trying to get it standardized. participating in the committee allows them to make their case for their design, see what alternative approaches are being taken by other companies, and over time converge on a design that satisfies a broad enough variety of use cases that it can be standardized
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# [21:45] <@ehsan> I see
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# [21:45] <@ehsan> botond-laptop: the thing is, do you expect us to be able to propose things like language extensions?
# [21:45] <botond-laptop> ehsan: for mozilla, it might be worth it to participate in discussions related to reflection, and evaluate e.g. to what extent the proposed mechanism can replace IPDL. if they can't, perhaps there are use cases that the proposal misses that can be proposed
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# [21:45] <@ehsan> botond-laptop: (also, please check with jcranmer to see if he finds this interesting)
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# [21:46] <@ehsan> botond-laptop: IPDl?
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# [21:46] <@ehsan> you mean the IPC IPDL?
# [21:46] <botond-laptop> ehsan: yes
# [21:46] <@ehsan> hmm
# [21:46] <@ehsan> how are those related?
# [21:46] <botond-laptop> ehsan: with reflection we may be able to get the compiler to generate that serialization code, rather than having our own code generator
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# [21:46] <@ehsan> wow
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# [21:46] <@ehsan> I should re-read that proposal :)
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# [21:46] <jcranmer> ehsan: I talked a fair amount with botond-laptop about this at the summit
# [21:47] <@ehsan> cool
# [21:47] <botond-laptop> ehsan: there is no reflection proposal yet :)
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# [21:47] <@ehsan> oh
# [21:47] <botond-laptop> ehsan: the reflection study group just decided to issue a call for proposals
# [21:47] <@ehsan> I read something somewhere?
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# [21:47] <jcranmer> ehsan: I've got a todo to post a proposal for basically standardizing NS_InvokeByIndex
# [21:47] <botond-laptop> ehsan: but proposals that would solve this IPDL use case are in scope of what they would consider
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# [21:47] <aceman> Gijs: I think there is no such method, per the idl
# [21:47] <@ehsan> jcranmer: for virtual dispatch?
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# [21:48] <Gijs> aceman: oh, well, that'd explain it...
# [21:48] <Ms2ger> jcranmer, that sounds like something people would like :)
# [21:48] <@ehsan> botond-laptop: that would be very interesting indeed!
# [21:48] <botond> ehsan: so, if we want we could be one of the people to respond to the call for proposals by writing a proposal :)
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# [21:49] <botond> ehsan: even if not, we can look at other proposals and see how well they might fit our use cases, and advocate for them accordingly
# [21:49] <@bsmedberg> Yoric: did you really just recommend that somebody use the pageinfo dialog?
# [21:49] <Yoric> bsmedberg: Shouldn't I have?
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# [21:50] <@bsmedberg> no. Pageinfo is too complicated for just about everyone.
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# [21:50] <@ehsan> botond-laptop: so, one thing to note is that I'm not sure if we have a good person to say "yes" to your dev.platform proposal
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# [21:50] <Yoric> bsmedberg: Well, it is complicated, but it seems to be the only way to do exactly what he needed.
# [21:50] <@ehsan> botond-laptop: if this does involve financial/contractual obligations, I suggest you figure it out with your manager (assuming that the overall concensus is that we should do this)
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# [21:51] <@ehsan> botond-laptop: IOW, don't wait for a "yes" email indefinitely!
# [21:51] <@bsmedberg> Yoric: I may not understand what he needs yet, but I thought the default doorhanger did what he wanted
# [21:51] <ted> unless it's a huge financial/contractual obligation, it sounds like a good idea
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# [21:51] <Yoric> bsmedberg: So if you have another piece of UI to suggest, I'm all ears^H^H^H^Heyes.
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# [21:51] <@bsmedberg> I'll follow up in any case
# [21:51] <Yoric> I'm not 100% I understand what he needs, either.
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# [21:52] <@ehsan> botond-laptop: and, *thanks* for proposing this!
# [21:53] <froydnj> Yoric: all ears *or* all eyes are equally scary propositions
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# [21:53] <Yoric> froydnj: Well, what can I say? I'm a scary guy.
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# [21:56] <botond> ehsan: i'm not looking for a "yes, go ahead" on dev-platform. i'm looking for "i think this would be useful" so that i can then ask a manager and demonstrate interest
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# [21:56] <botond> ehsan: so, if you think it would be useful, feel free to say so in the thread :)
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# [21:57] <@ehsan> botond: I'll do that right now!
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# [21:57] <dustin> how can I see the output of LOG(..) in e.g., uriloader/exthandler/nsExternalHelperAppService.cpp while running xpcshell tests?
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# [21:57] <dustin> I'm already running the tests with --verbose
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# [21:58] <dholbert> dustin, looks like that's PR logging, which is env-variable-controlled
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# [21:58] <dholbert> dustin, see https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/NSPR_API_Reference/Logging
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# [21:58] <dustin> wonderful
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# [21:59] <dholbert> dustin, and see the LOG define in the .cpp file that you mentioned: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/uriloader/exthandler/nsExternalHelperAppService.cpp#144
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# [21:59] <dholbert> er better, see the PR_NewLogModule line: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/uriloader/exthandler/nsExternalHelperAppService.cpp#549
# [21:59] <dholbert> which gives you the string to use in your env variable, IIRC
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# [22:01] <@ehsan> nsm: ping
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# [22:02] <sstangl> sicking: ping
# [22:02] <sicking> sstangl: pong
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# [22:03] <dustin> dholbert: thanks, that's the lead I needed
# [22:03] <dholbert> dustin, np
# [22:03] <sstangl> sicking: are you the right person to ask about "new Worker()" being tied to the event loop?
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# [22:04] <sicking> sstangl: bent or khuey
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# [22:11] <jduell> sicking: so did we figure out if nsURIs are always unsafe to use off-main thread (and why)?
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# [22:11] <@bsmedberg> jduell: my understand is that they are apartment-threaded
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# [22:11] <@bsmedberg> but I may be wrong, if they rely on statics
# [22:12] <jduell> (I'm specifically wondering if you want to try to be able to AsyncOpen websockets from workers, or if it's ok to open on main thread only)
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# [22:13] <jduell> bsmedberg: apartment-threaded meaning what in terms of being passed around or used by multiple threads? Are they safe if they're created/used on the same non-main thread?
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# [22:13] <@bsmedberg> jduell: I don't think you can create URIs off the main thread. protocol handlers aren't typically threadsafe, IIRC
# [22:14] <@bsmedberg> jduell: it means that you should only write URIs on a single thread at a time
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# [22:15] <jduell> bsmedberg: so need to create URI on main thread, but can clone it and/or write to it on another thread as long as we guarantee writes aren't happening concurrently on other threads? Thanks
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# [22:15] <@bsmedberg> I am not 100% sure of this, but that's what I remember.
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# [22:21] <serge> Hi there, I'm having some trouble debugging my firefox extension.
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# [22:22] <serge> I've opened a stackoverflow question: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/19304961/debugging-a-browser-element-in-a-firefox-extension
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# [22:22] <serge> Would anybody be able to point me to someone that can help?
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# [22:22] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/2cc13126ec74 - Josh Aas - Bug 925027: Stop using old Carbon scrap APIs in i386 builds. r=bsmedberg
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# [22:24] <jmaher> can we ban philor?
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# [22:24] <Ms2ger> Never
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# [22:24] <khuey> jmaher: heh
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# [22:25] <jhammel> someone break the tree and he'll magically reappear
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# [22:26] <ahal> jmaher: https://github.com/ahal/configs/blob/master/xchat/suppress_thrashers.py
# [22:26] <ahal> (if you use xchat)
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# [22:27] <@khuey> woops
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# [22:28] <@khuey> there we go
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# [22:28] <jmaher> ahal: I am more of a irssi guy
# [22:28] <sfink> the tree is khuey's now
# [22:28] <jhammel> jmaher++
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# [22:28] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> snow day!
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# [22:28] <jmaher> ha
# [22:29] <fitzgen> does anyone know where to file feature requests for firebot?
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# [22:29] <@khuey> so unfortunately banning philor didn't fix him in the other channels
# [22:30] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/d5adee3511dc - Olli Pettay - Bug 916576, follow the com rules when calling LoadURI, r=bz
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# [22:30] <@khuey> banhammering dveditz normally fixes him
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# [22:32] <@dveditz> khuey: am I assnoying people again?
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# [22:33] <@khuey> dveditz: not right now
# [22:33] <@dveditz> looks like people who aren't me
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# [22:33] <@khuey> dveditz: every now and then your client gets angry and I ban it from #developers and it fixes itself
# [22:33] <@dveditz> yeah, I noticed :-)
# [22:33] <@khuey> dveditz: sadly banning philor didn't fix him
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# [22:34] <@dveditz> apparently when we get too many people in too many channels my client can't handle the /names lists
# [22:34] <@khuey> you should get a better client
# [22:34] <@dveditz> so blocking me from this channel (lots o'names) puts me under the limit
# [22:34] <@dveditz> I'm guessing
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# [22:35] <@dveditz> khuey: but I know how to script this one, seems like a waste of time learning a new IRC client when there's so many more interesting things
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# [22:38] <@bz> dveditz++
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# [22:38] <@bz> Don't mess with things that work. ;)
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# [22:39] <gps> bholley: pong
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# [22:45] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/6df392bd1087 - Daniel Holbert - Bug 925243: Mark ipc/ipdl as FAIL_ON_WARNINGS. r=ehsan
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# [22:46] <@ehsan> dholbert: fwiw please ping me on irc if you ever need super fast reviews
# [22:46] <@ehsan> I only give out fast reviews through bugmail ;)
# [22:46] <dholbert> ehsan, will do. thanks!
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# [22:53] <mbrubeck> "Maybe in 3 Yeats I wiki transition"
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# [22:57] <KWierso|sheriffduty> dholbert: uh
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# [22:57] <dholbert> KWierso|sheriffduty, [looking]
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# [22:58] <dholbert> Boo, this had a green try run last night
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# [22:58] <dholbert> KWierso|sheriffduty, I'll back out
# [22:58] <KWierso|sheriffduty> dholbert: thanks
# [22:58] <dholbert> OH, wait
# [22:58] <dholbert> I think it might need a clobber
# [22:58] <@ehsan> dholbert: oh
# [22:58] <@ehsan> you broke my build
# [22:58] <dholbert> specifically, cervantes' patch that I pushed earlier needs a clobber
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# [22:58] <dholbert> IIRC
# [22:59] <Ms2ger> http://tieguy.org/blog/2013/10/06/reviewing-the-manual-of-style-for-contract-drafting-by-editing-twitters-patent-agreement/ is really interesting
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# [22:59] <@ehsan> 1:14.07 In file included from /Users/ehsanakhgari/moz/mozilla-central/obj-ff-dbg/ipc/ipdl/UnifiedProtocols1.cpp:9:
# [22:59] <@ehsan> 1:14.08 ./PBrowserStreamChild.cpp:208:26: error: unused variable 'other' [-Werror,-Wunused-variable]
# [22:59] <@ehsan> 1:14.08 PBrowserStreamChild* other = static_cast<PBrowserStreamChild*>(aSource);
# [22:59] <@ehsan> 1:14.08 ^
# [22:59] <dholbert> ehsan, yeah, we're talking about it. It hit tbpl too
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# [22:59] <dholbert> ehsan, I pushed a patch by cervantes earlier that should fix that warning
# [22:59] <dholbert> but it doesn't take effect until you clobber
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# [22:59] <dholbert> at least, that's what I assert :)
# [23:00] <Ms2ger> dholbert, sounds like a bug
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# [23:00] <dholbert> KWierso|sheriffduty, thanks
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# [23:00] <dholbert> Ms2ger, I don't understand the ipc/ipdl code well enough to be sure
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# [23:00] <dholbert> but I happen to remember needing a clobber when I was testing the patch yesterday
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# [23:01] <Ms2ger> dholbert, any time you need a clobber is a bug :)
# [23:01] <dholbert> Ms2ger, ok :)
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# [23:01] <Ms2ger> And gps appreciates it if you file one
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# [23:01] <dholbert> ehsan, please let me know if you hit this again after you clobber
# [23:01] <dholbert> Ms2ger, ok. If I'm proven right by KWierso|sheriffduty's clobber/retrigger, I'll file one
# [23:02] <dholbert> and push a CLOBBER-touch
# [23:02] <Ms2ger> Thanks
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# [23:06] <dholbert> KWierso|sheriffduty, heads-up: this may happen for the linux builds on that cycle, too
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# [23:06] <dholbert> Windows should be fine, though
# [23:06] <KWierso|sheriffduty> dholbert: clobbered everything on inbound
# [23:06] <KWierso|sheriffduty> will retrigger other things if needed
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# [23:06] <dholbert> KWierso|sheriffduty, thank you much
# [23:06] <KWierso|sheriffduty> yep
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# [23:07] <@smaug> jaws: another question. why does addon toolbar opens occasionally?
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# [23:08] <@smaug> it is empty, since I've moved the addon to menu toolbar
# [23:08] <jaws> smaug: i haven't seen that before. Gijs? ^
# [23:08] <@smaug> this is not a recent regression
# [23:08] <Gijs> smaug: uh, is this on UX?
# [23:08] <@smaug> nightly
# [23:08] <jaws> oh, so not ux-nightly?
# [23:08] <@smaug> nope
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# [23:09] <jaws> that could be the fault of your add-on
# [23:09] <Gijs> smaug: which add-on? I could totally buy that it does crazy stuff and auto-shows it on upgrade.
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# [23:09] <@smaug> ah
# [23:09] <@smaug> this is memchaser
# [23:09] <KWierso|sheriffduty> sdk auto-shows the addon bar when a widget is added, maybe even if it was moved
# [23:09] <KWierso|sheriffduty> smaug: might be worth a bug against the Add-on SDK :)
# [23:09] <@smaug> ok, thanks
# [23:09] <@smaug> I'll need to figure you some str
# [23:09] <@smaug> and I should try ux-nightly
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# [23:10] <@smaug> jaws: url?
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# [23:10] <jaws> smaug: url of what?
# [23:10] <@smaug> to ux-nightly
# [23:10] <jaws> smaug: msuja.ws/ux
# [23:10] <@smaug> jaws: is that the same as http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/nightly/latest-ux/ ?
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# [23:11] <jaws> smaug: yes
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# [23:11] <@smaug> k
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# [23:11] <@smaug> thanks
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# [23:12] <dholbert> KWierso|sheriffduty, [/me afk for a minute to grab a wrap for lunch; back soon. If you discover the post-clobber build is still busted, while I'm away, please back me out with impunity]
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# [23:13] <KWierso|sheriffduty> dholbert: osx failed within 10 minutes both times originally
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# [23:13] <KWierso|sheriffduty> we're past the 10 minute mark this time, for whatever that's worth :P
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# [23:14] <dholbert> KWierso|sheriffduty, probably doesn't mean much, since clobber-builds have more spin-up work to do, but I appreciate the vote of confidence :)
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# [23:15] <KWierso|sheriffduty> dholbert: hush, you, I'm trying to be optimistic :P
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# [23:18] <@smaug> jaws: how do I access tools menu if the menu bar is not visible ?
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# [23:18] <jaws> press the Alt key to make the menubar visible
# [23:18] <@smaug> (there is plenty of functionality in those menus I can't seem to find elsewhere if menu bar is hidden)
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# [23:18] <@smaug> uh
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# [23:18] <jaws> smaug: if it's developer tools, you can drag the Developer Tools widget to the menu panel
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# [23:19] <@smaug> users are expected to know to press alt?
# [23:19] <@gavin> no, users are expected to use the hamburger
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# [23:19] <jaws> smaug: there is also the menu on the far right of the toolbar
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# [23:19] <jaws> nicknamed the "hamburger" button :)
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# [23:20] <@smaug> jaws: that has only a fraction of the functionality of the menus
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# [23:21] <@khuey> did we break the mochitest harness?
# [23:21] <@khuey> it seems to return a non-zero result code every time now
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# [23:22] <@smaug> jaws: when are we supposed to merge ux to m-c?
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# [23:22] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/93e7fdddd724 - Steven Michaud - Bug 925411 - Temporarily backout patch for bug 868646 for causing this bug. r=spohl
# [23:22] <@smaug> or in other words, should I file bugs about the ui ?
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# [23:23] <@smaug> (in general I like it, the defaults are just odd)
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# [23:23] <Ms2ger> Welcome back, philor :)
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# [23:24] <philor> Ms2ger: was my bouncer misbehaving?
# [23:24] <Ms2ger> (Aww, did Ghost_of_MNG get banned? I found it pretty funny)
# [23:24] <Ms2ger> philor, yeah
# [23:24] <KWierso|sheriffduty> it liked bouncing
# [23:24] <dholbert> KWierso|sheriffduty, [back]
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# [23:24] <KWierso|sheriffduty> dholbert: no one died yet :)
# [23:24] <dholbert> \o/
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# [23:25] <@smaug> like the functionality related to restoring recently closed tabs and windows is totally hidden
# [23:25] <dholbert> philor, yes
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# [23:25] <KWierso|sheriffduty> RyanVM: any ideas on those win debug browserchrome oranges?
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# [23:26] <dholbert> philor, (99% of the traffic on e.g. #planning today has been philor|away (philor@moz-638273A8.my-nick.name) has joined #planning // philor|away has quit (Max SendQ exceeded) :) )
# [23:26] <philor> go me!
# [23:26] <mbrubeck> philor is no longer satisfied with just being 99% of bugmail
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# [23:26] <RyanVM> KWierso|sheriffduty: dunno, but it's sure worrying
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# [23:27] <RyanVM> Ms2ger: GoM should hit in 30min or so IIRC
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# [23:27] <Ms2ger> RyanVM, they're banned here, though
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# [23:27] <KWierso|sheriffduty> yeah, saw the ban go through yesterday
# [23:27] <RyanVM> Ms2ger: oh, I thought you were asking if it had been
# [23:27] <RyanVM> that's no fun :(
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# [23:27] <@bz> do external strings have nsStringBuffer?
# [23:28] <Ms2ger> gavin, boo :)
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# [23:28] <@gavin> ?
# [23:28] <Ms2ger> gavin, banning our MNG troll
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# [23:29] <seth> i liked the MNG troll!
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# [23:30] <qDot> YOU BANNED THE GHOST? D:
# [23:30] <RyanVM> lulz, it actually retorted at philor?
# [23:31] * qDot gonna earn his serial arson badge on b2g-i this week.
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# [23:31] <Ms2ger> Anyway, I won't be here to see it tonight :)
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# [23:31] <RyanVM> qDot: just so long as you keep them nice and late in the day :)
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# [23:31] <Ms2ger> (Maybe it'll come back as Ghost_of_APNG)
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# [23:32] <KWierso|sheriffduty> Ghost_of_<blink>
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# [23:33] <mbrubeck> Ghost_of_freelance_writer
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# [23:34] <RyanVM> hah
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# [23:34] <KWierso|sheriffduty> qDot: do you have a fix or should I push this backout?
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# [23:35] <qDot> KWierso|sheriffduty: Already backed out.
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# [23:38] <RyanVM> I love that we still have a "Java to XPCOM Bridge" component
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# [23:38] <qDot> The grass is not green on either of those sides. :|
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# [23:40] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/b063d4310a8a - Ehsan Akhgari - Remove the unused UnexpectedFailure static function to fix my build, no bug
# [23:41] <RyanVM> speaking of things that should be removed...
# [23:41] <RyanVM> (if it hasn't already been)
# [23:41] <bholley> gps: is there an equivalent of JS_CRASH_DIAGNOSTICS outside the JS engine?
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# [23:48] <Gijs> How do I get the build to pick up new mochitest-browser tests I've added? :s
# [23:49] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/ee766b7c606e - Brian Smith - Bug 921090: Update to NSS 3.15.2, r=me, a=akeybl
# [23:49] <Gijs> just running ./mach build browser/components doesn't seem to help :s
# [23:49] <Gijs> (it's in browser/components/foo/test/)
# [23:49] <@smaug> jaws: is there mxr for ux branch ?
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# [23:49] <jaws> smaug: http://mxr.mozilla.org/projects-central/source/ux/
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# [23:49] <@smaug> thanks
# [23:49] <@gavin> Gijs: IIRC the ./mach test command you use to run them should take care of it?
# [23:49] <Gijs> gavin: doesn't. :(
# [23:49] <@gavin> gps: ^
# [23:50] <Gijs> in fact, if I pass it the full path, I get: Specified test path does not exist: /Users/gkruitbosch/dev/builds/ux-x86_64-apple-darwin12.5.0/_tests/testing/mochitest/browser/browser/components/customizableui/test/browser_914138_widget_API_overflowable_toolbar.js
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# [23:50] <qDot> Um. So, the code that's burned b2g-i is behind a #ifdef MOZ_B2G. It's burning debug desktop builds. Is this one of those odd things a clobber will fix, or is something completely fucked?
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# [23:50] <gps> Gijs: the mach mochitest-* commands should update tests from manifests automatically!
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# [23:51] <Gijs> gps: they don't!
# [23:51] <Gijs> :(
# [23:51] <KWierso|sheriffduty> qDot: those are the desktop b2g builds
# [23:51] <KWierso|sheriffduty> right?
# [23:51] <gps> Gijs: what are the first few lines of output from your mochitest command?
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# [23:51] <Gijs> ./mach mochitest-browser browser/components/customizableui/test/browser_914138_widget_API_overflowable_toolbar.js
# [23:51] <Gijs> From _tests: Kept 11223 existing; Added/updated 0; Removed 0 files and 0 directories.
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# [23:51] <gps> that second line is processing of the test manifests
# [23:51] <qDot> KWierso|sheriffduty: Ah, I thought desktop were different targets.
# [23:52] <gps> either the test in question isn't in a manifest or you need to run |mach build path/to/test/dir| to update the tests
# [23:52] <Gijs> gps: oh, so I know what it is
# [23:52] <Gijs> gps: I added the test to the manifest
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# [23:52] <Gijs> gps: then I ran the tests in that dir
# [23:52] <Gijs> gps: then I realized my new tests wasn't there
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# [23:52] <Gijs> gps: then I checked and realized the path was wrong
# [23:52] <Gijs> gps: so then I hg mv'd my test
# [23:53] <Gijs> gps: touch browser/components/customizableui/test/browser.ini fixed it
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# [23:53] <qDot> So on b2g-inbound, what looks like the ff-desktop targets are b2g-desktop targets?
# [23:53] <qDot> Please tell me that's not true.
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# [23:54] <Gijs> gps: ideally, it should complain about non-existent files in the manifest, and also continue to check for the previously broken test paths to have sprung into existence since the last broken run
# [23:54] <gps> wait, you had to touch the manifest file?!
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# [23:54] <Gijs> yes.
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# [23:54] <gps> did you get a Reticulating Splines message when you did that?
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# [23:54] <Gijs> yes
# [23:54] <KWierso|sheriffduty> qDot: Bg jobs are desktop b2g, if I understand everything
# [23:55] <gps> umm
# [23:55] <gps> your timestamps must have been off :/
# [23:55] <qDot> Oh, you know what, I bet this is a clobber issue.
# [23:55] <gps> or a build system bug
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# [23:55] <qDot> It's not clobbering/rebuilding the webidl.
# [23:55] <Gijs> gps: I'll try and reproduce tomorrow, I should catch some sleep now...
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# [23:55] <gps> Gijs: please file a bug if you can repro!
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# [23:56] <qDot> I'll repush with a clobber this time.
# [23:56] <Gijs> gps: will do, thanks for helping me along! :)
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# [23:57] <qDot> KWierso|sheriffduty: Ok, yeah, I read that wrong.
# [23:57] <gps> KWierso|sheriffduty: is there a mailing list for sheriffs?
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# [23:57] <KWierso|sheriffduty> dholbert: looking good
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# [23:57] <dholbert> KWierso|sheriffduty, why thank you. I did recently get a haircut
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# [23:58] <dholbert> KWierso|sheriffduty, thanks for the clobber/retrigger! I'll push a CLOBBER-file-tweak
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# [23:59] <RyanVM> KWierso|sheriffduty: fwiw, I'm seeing a bunch of profiler crashes/failures on a Try push at the moment
# [23:59] <RyanVM> the same cset was green on m-c when it ran on tbpl a bit over a week ago
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