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  1. # Session Start: Mon Oct 14 00:00:00 2013
  2. # Session Ident: #developers
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  5. # [00:00] <Ghost_Of_JNG> Why did you murder me?! If only I had made use of my time amongst the living.
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  7. # [00:01] <jcranmer> it's hard to murder someone who was stillborn to begin with
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  37. # [00:34] <NeilAway> jcranmer: I have actually used an app whose default format was MNG
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  49. # [00:48] * philor changes topic to 'Next uplift 28 Oct || Want help, or want to help others? See #introduction || http://logbot.glob.com.au/?c=developers'
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  59. # [01:07] <NeilAway> philor: would a NPOTB DONTBUILD push really annoy you?
  60. # [01:07] <philor> really? no
  61. # [01:08] <NeilAway> philor: even on m-c?
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  63. # [01:09] <heycam> if it's NPOTB it can't fail any tests can it
  64. # [01:10] <heycam> and DONTBUILD doubly so :)
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  72. # [01:30] <NeilAway> after all that I'm local tree issues
  73. # [01:30] * NeilAway gives up
  74. # [01:35] <nemo> 18:09 <@koda> nemo: http://www.fullscreenmario.com/index.html :))
  75. # [01:35] <nemo> 18:09 <@koda> in ff24 it's kinda slow, bleah chrome only apps
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  256. # [05:13] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/5d17d90b838d - Kyle Huey - Bug 915757: Split GetListenerManager into two functions for more const-correctness. r=smaug
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  291. # [06:30] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/d4e5777ad39d - Dale Harvey - Bug 922896 - Fire tap immediately if content is not zoomable. r=kats
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  295. # [06:34] <efaust_> ok, the fac taht talos sends improvement and not just regression emails is very warm and fuzzy
  296. # [06:34] <efaust_> :)
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  315. # [06:46] <tbsaunde> efaust_: yeah, its nice to know we occasionally make things better
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  327. # [07:00] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/e8bb002bc13a - Phil Ringnalda - Backed out 2 changesets (bug 915757, bug 919885) for xpcshell bustage
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  329. # [07:00] <briansmith> I have once again forgotten the command to copy updated xpcshell tests from $srcdir to $objdir. Help
  330. # [07:01] <briansmith> mach build ???
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  338. # [07:07] <philor> briansmith: I'd sort of expect the fast-way answer you'd get after waiting ten times longer than a top-level mach build would take would be "just run `make` in the directory that's probably one or maybe two levels above the tests, the one with the makefile that copies them"
  339. # [07:08] <philor> but then, the "wait ten times longer" thing drives me crazy, so I substitute fast hardware for ever trying to remember any trick
  340. # [07:08] <briansmith> on windows even fast hardware is slow, unfortunately
  341. # [07:09] <briansmith> NO_REMOVE=1 mach build install-tests
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  480. # [09:33] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/230e0dbeff0d - Neil Rashbrook - Bug 906920 Implement additional toolkit features in the XPFE autocomplete widget r=IanN
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  498. # [09:45] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/435b379ab3b8 - Jonathan Watt - Bug 923926 - Allow content authors to cancel the directory scan initiated when the user picks a directory. r=smaug
  499. # [09:45] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/271b0129916d - Jonathan Watt - Bug 923922, part 1 - Rename DirPickerBuildFileListTasks to DirPickerFileListBuilderTask. r=smaug
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  505. # [09:46] <jwatt> gah
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  520. # [09:56] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> good morning edmorley
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  522. # [09:56] <edmorley> Tomcat|sheriffduty: good morning :-)
  523. # [09:57] <nigelb> Morning
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  525. # [09:57] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> hi nigelb
  526. # [09:57] <nigelb> Hey Tomcat|sheriffduty, edmorley
  527. # [09:58] <sshagarwal> many people woke up, shall I ask my questions? :)
  528. # [09:59] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> sshagarwal: sure :)
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  530. # [09:59] <sshagarwal> thanks :)
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  533. # [10:00] <Ms2ger> If you need sheriffs ;)
  534. # [10:00] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> sshagarwal: btw don't ask if you can ask , just ask :) if there is someone who can help i'm sure he will answer :)
  535. # [10:00] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> yeah or just ask Ms2ger he knows everything :)
  536. # [10:00] <Ms2ger> Morning, esteemed gentlemen
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  538. # [10:00] <glob> heh, gentlemen
  539. # [10:00] <sshagarwal> when we start TB and click on any account, we get status messages like "Resolving..", "Connecting to..<server>" etc
  540. # [10:00] <Ms2ger> Tomcat|sheriffduty, you mean I'm a know-it-all :)
  541. # [10:00] <sshagarwal> so these messages seem to come from necko.properties
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  543. # [10:01] <sshagarwal> http://mxr.mozilla.org/comm-central/source/mozilla/netwerk/locales/en-US/necko.properties
  544. # [10:02] <sshagarwal> but I am unable to find the method(s) that print these messages, that is they format strings from these numeric ids and pass them to status bar displaying methods
  545. # [10:02] <sshagarwal> so, can you please tell me where can I find them?
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  548. # [10:04] <edmorley> nigelb, Ms2ger, glob: good morning :-)
  549. # [10:04] <glob> edmorley, :D
  550. # [10:04] <Ms2ger> glob, sorry, gentlemen and glob :)
  551. # [10:04] <edmorley> lol
  552. # [10:04] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> good morning glob :)
  553. # [10:04] <glob> Ms2ger, <3
  554. # [10:04] <Ms2ger> sshagarwal, for imap, I think it's http://mxr.mozilla.org/comm-central/ident?i=ProgressStatusString
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  556. # [10:04] <glob> hiya Tomcat :)
  557. # [10:05] <sshagarwal> Ms2ger: thanks and sure, but that doesn't print these status messages that come from necko.properties
  558. # [10:05] <sshagarwal> then I got the #define for necko.properties that is NECKO_MSGS_URL
  559. # [10:05] <sshagarwal> but no help
  560. # [10:06] <sshagarwal> then came the status codes from http://mxr.mozilla.org/comm-central/source/mozilla/netwerk/base/public/nsISocketTransport.idl#128
  561. # [10:06] <sshagarwal> still I couldn't find any string bundle where these status codes are used
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  569. # [10:11] <sshagarwal> so what should I do? :(
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  577. # [10:14] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/3620f49eb6e9 - Masatoshi Kimura - Bug 872934 - Make style sheet change event interfaces [ChromeOnly]. r=smaug
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  662. # [11:20] <@roc> dodoo: currently, no, since that can cause data loss
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  668. # [11:25] <thelodger> AutomatedTester: ping!
  669. # [11:25] <AutomatedTester> thelodger: zomg pong!
  670. # [11:25] <AutomatedTester> :P
  671. # [11:26] <AutomatedTester> the ! made it seem exciting :)
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  674. # [11:27] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> good morning AutomatedTester :)
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  677. # [11:27] <thelodger> AutomatedTester: Currently in the Introduction part of the sprint, I dropped a shout to the Mozilla Ireland mailing list to see if anyone else might be about as well =)
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  680. # [11:30] <AutomatedTester> thelodger: awesome
  681. # [11:30] <AutomatedTester> thelodger: we are upstairs when you want to join us
  682. # [11:30] <AutomatedTester> we have 3 people atm
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  687. # [11:34] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/36e0e491b83c - Jon Coppeard - Bug 925817 - GenerationalGC: Refactor inside nursery check to avoid repetition r=terrence
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  689. # [11:34] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/c52934a52f94 - Jon Coppeard - Bug 925397 - Add JSObject::initDenseElementsUnbarriered() for use from PJS r=terrence
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  691. # [11:35] <thelodger> AutomatedTester: Sweet!
  692. # [11:36] <AutomatedTester> hey Tomcat|sheriffduty :)
  693. # [11:36] <@khuey> Yoric: ping?
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  696. # [11:37] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> khuey: yep it is :)
  697. # [11:37] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> about noon too :)
  698. # [11:37] <nicklebedev> Hi guys, could someone help me with the build failure? i've synced recently (an hour ago and tip revision is 150604:211337f7fb83←[0m)
  699. # [11:37] <@khuey> mmm I slept longer than I thought
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  701. # [11:37] <nicklebedev> and have the following error:
  702. # [11:37] <nicklebedev> 55:46.50 MediaStreamList.obj : warning LNK4217: locally defined symbol _NS_Cycle
  703. # [11:37] <nicklebedev> CollectorSuspect3 imported in function "public: unsigned int __thiscall nsCycleC
  704. # [11:37] <nicklebedev> ollectingAutoRefCnt::decr(void *,class nsCycleCollectionParticipant *,bool *)" (
  705. # [11:37] <nicklebedev> ?decr@nsCycleCollectingAutoRefCnt@@QAEIPAXPAVnsCycleCollectionParticipant@@PA_N@
  706. # [11:37] <nicklebedev> Z)
  707. # [11:37] <nicklebedev> 55:46.50
  708. # [11:37] <nicklebedev> 55:46.50 LINK : warning LNK4199: /DELAYLOAD:VCCORLIB110D.DLL ignored; no imports
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  710. # [11:37] <@khuey> :-P
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  712. # [11:38] <@khuey> nicklebedev: use pastebin.mozilla.org please
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  715. # [11:40] <nicklebedev> sorry
  716. # [11:40] <nicklebedev> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/3256501
  717. # [11:41] <nicklebedev> does someone have similar problems with current build?>
  718. # [11:41] <Cork> anyone know where one should point ppl that has found viruses/trojans/similar that clams to be firefox?
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  721. # [11:42] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> Cork: we have a place for this here http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/legal/fraud-report/
  722. # [11:42] <Cork> thx
  723. # [11:42] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> np
  724. # [11:43] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> (also in general for sites charging for firefox etc)
  725. # [11:43] <@khuey> nicklebedev: that's just a warning
  726. # [11:43] <@khuey> nicklebedev: whatever your real error is, it's further back in your terminal
  727. # [11:43] <Cork> Tomcat|sheriffduty: ya, that was the similar part :)
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  730. # [11:46] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> gerv posted some articles some time ago how we act with such cases http://blog.gerv.net/2010/02/protecting_germans_iv_an_example/
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  735. # [11:51] <NeilAway> nicklebedev: that's the wrong part of the log, you want the bit that says error LNK
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  744. # [12:00] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/a71631863d77 - Jan de Mooij - Bug 925067 - Fix infinite loop in BlockMightReach. r=bhackett
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  787. # [12:35] <Yoric> khuey: pong
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  794. # [12:41] <Gijs> Hmmmm. The OS X m-c Nightly died.
  795. # [12:41] <Gijs> Tomcat|sheriffduty: ^^ ?
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  797. # [12:41] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> Gijs: ok will retrigger
  798. # [12:43] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> edmorley: will do a backout on m-i
  799. # [12:43] <edmorley> ty :-)
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  801. # [12:43] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> Gijs: retriggered
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  803. # [12:44] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> how to keep a sheriff busy..having 2 problems at once :P
  804. # [12:44] <edmorley> trying to fixup the mozbase versionbump script at the moment, so we can get the new version of mozcrash released, which fixes missing the android java exceptions on android :-)
  805. # [12:44] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> edmorley: cool!
  806. # [12:45] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> edmorley: btw added some content to the etherpad
  807. # [12:47] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/231a75be5c8c - Carsten "Tomcat" Book - Backed out changeset 3620f49eb6e9 (bug 872934) Win XP PGO Bustage
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  814. # [12:51] <Yoric> Do we have some built-in magic xpcom function "give me more details about this nsI{Input, Output}Stream"?
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  818. # [12:52] <Yoric> (i.e. if it is a nsIFileInputStream, give me the file name, if it is a network stream, give me the source, etc.)?
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  820. # [12:52] <Yoric> This would be for debugging purposes, of course.
  821. # [12:53] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/11e3dd841e91 - Joel Maher - Bug 923171 - talos.json should include remote-tspaint for mobile-suites. r=kmoir
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  835. # [13:03] <Gijs> TIL: at least on OS X, seems you can actually name a patch in mq to include a '/', and that'll just create a directory under the patches/ dir with everything before the slash, and a file with everything after the slash. And it'll work (or at least, it seems to, for now...)
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  854. # [13:21] <@khuey> Yoric: reping ;-)
  855. # [13:21] <Yoric> khuey: repong
  856. # [13:21] <Gijs> Argh. How do I convince Firefox an add-on is compatible? I thought the add-on compatibility reporter automatically triggered the required pref?
  857. # [13:21] <@khuey> Yoric: hey
  858. # [13:21] <@khuey> Yoric: what is http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/annotate/211337f7fb83/toolkit/components/osfile/tests/xpcshell/test_exception.js trying to test?
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  860. # [13:22] <Yoric> khuey: We're causing a TypeError off the main thread and testing that the resulting error is a "kind of" TypeError, too.
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  864. # [13:23] <@khuey> Yoric: ok
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  866. # [13:24] <Yoric> By default, this is not the case, so there are a few lines of code in OS.File that make it happen.
  867. # [13:24] <Yoric> ... which wasn't the case for a loooooong time.
  868. # [13:24] <Yoric> So coding errors we got from OS.File were basically useless.
  869. # [13:24] <@khuey> yes that's http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/012fc96d11a0#l1.15 presumably
  870. # [13:25] <Yoric> Exactly.
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  872. # [13:26] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/ffa34d7c9236 - Eddy Bruel - Bug 880330 - Replace options bitfield in JSContext with a struct; r=bholley
  873. # [13:28] * @khuey wonders how he broke this
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  875. # [13:29] <Yoric> khuey: What's your patch?
  876. # [13:30] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/0b6f43cbb7dd - Adrian Tamas - Bug 899187 - Re-write testBookmarksPage to work with the new about:home. r=lucasr
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  881. # [13:30] <@khuey> Yoric: well I rewrote worker event handling ... :-P
  882. # [13:30] <Yoric> :)
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  884. # [13:31] <Yoric> Could it be that perhaps you changed the WorkerErrorEvent?
  885. # [13:31] <Yoric> or, say, its string?
  886. # [13:31] <Yoric> s/string/strings/
  887. # [13:31] <@khuey> yeah, that's what I'm looking at
  888. # [13:31] <@khuey> I did s/WorkerErrorEvent/ErrorEvent/
  889. # [13:31] <@khuey> but I fixed that up
  890. # [13:31] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/e437294a2dbe - Eddy Bruel - Bug 880330 - Refactor the shell to use the new options API; r=bholley
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  892. # [13:33] <@khuey> oh, interesting
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  896. # [13:33] <@khuey> foo.constructor.name is "Function" for WebIDL binding objects
  897. # [13:33] <Yoric> Note: if there is a better way of doing what I'm doing, I am interested.
  898. # [13:33] * @khuey wonders if that's expected
  899. # [13:34] <@khuey> Yoric: well event instanceof ErrorEvent works ;-)
  900. # [13:34] <Ms2ger> khuey, may well be
  901. # [13:34] <Yoric> I really should understand if WebIDL works.
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  903. # [13:34] <Yoric> s/if/how/
  904. # [13:34] <Yoric> khuey: It does?
  905. # [13:34] <@khuey> well, after my patches it does
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  907. # [13:34] <@khuey> it might not have before
  908. # [13:34] <Yoric> I'm pretty sure it didn't when I first wrote that code or its ancestors.
  909. # [13:34] <Yoric> That makes sense.
  910. # [13:34] <Yoric> If you wish to rewrite this to an |instanceof|, be my guest.
  911. # [13:35] <Yoric> I don't like relying on strings.
  912. # [13:35] <Jesse> my fuzzer loves it when instanceof works
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  914. # [13:36] <Ms2ger> "The interface object for a given non-callback interface is a _function object_."
  915. # [13:36] <@khuey> Jesse: I'm about to fix 899046 too ;-)
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  917. # [13:37] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/a15782f2e779 - Eddy Bruel - Bug 880330 - Refactor the jsapi-tests to use the new options API; r=bholley
  918. # [13:37] <Jesse> khuey: nice
  919. # [13:37] <Ms2ger> And the links to ES are broken *sigh*
  920. # [13:37] <Jesse> khuey: i'm hoping to teach my dom fuzzer to parse WebIDL files so it knows which objects to pass to which methods, etc
  921. # [13:38] <@khuey> that would be pretty awesome
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  931. # [13:43] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/70466645fa43 - Eddy Bruel - Bug 880330 - Refactor xpconnect to use the new options API; r=bholley
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  940. # [13:57] <Gijs> Does anyone know offhand where the code lives that creates shortcut strings in menus?
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  942. # [14:00] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/04610078280c - Kyle Huey - Bug 915757: Split GetListenerManager into two functions for more const-correctness. r=smaug
  943. # [14:00] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/db9190b3ce60 - Kyle Huey - Bug 919885: Move Worker to WebIDL and thread-agnostic event dispatch. r=bent,bz
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  947. # [14:02] <Ms2ger> khuey, \o/
  948. # [14:02] <@khuey> Ms2ger: should stick this time
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  950. # [14:04] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/e8bb002bc13a - Phil Ringnalda - Backed out 2 changesets (bug 915757, bug 919885) for xpcshell bustage
  951. # [14:04] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/d4e5777ad39d - Dale Harvey - Bug 922896 - Fire tap immediately if content is not zoomable. r=kats
  952. # [14:04] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/20ffeada8eca - Phil Ringnalda - Merge m-c to m-i
  953. # [14:04] <@khuey> lol
  954. # [14:04] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/91495d3a91c8 - Kyle Huey - Bug 919885: Move Worker to WebIDL and thread-agnostic event dispatch. r=bent,bz
  955. # [14:04] * @khuey thought philor had backed me out again already
  956. # [14:04] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/5d17d90b838d - Kyle Huey - Bug 915757: Split GetListenerManager into two functions for more const-correctness. r=smaug
  957. # [14:04] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/33563ee5a859 - Andreas Gal - Bug 923409 - Draw FPS counter with a single GL call and eliminate last use of Copy2D program (r=BenWa).
  958. # [14:05] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/c968b5768f41 - Phil Ringnalda - Bug 926266 - Bail in 900683.js when ParallelArray isn't defined
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  1003. # [14:46] <gaston> anyone knows if there's a way to open a new tab with the results of a manually written POST to an URL ?
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  1033. # [15:07] <NeilAway> Gijs: roughly, yes...
  1034. # [15:07] <Gijs> NeilAway: found it by now, but thanks! :)
  1035. # [15:07] <NeilAway> Gijs: nsMenuFrame?
  1036. # [15:08] <NeilAway> Gijs: also, nice meeting you last week
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  1045. # [15:19] <nemo> huh. weird. I was playing that silly candy game...
  1046. # [15:19] <nemo> in nightly
  1047. # [15:19] <nemo> and for some reason the Seed button just would not fire reliably until I closed the built-in inspector
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  1060. # [15:30] <Yoric> smacleod: Do you actually need a review for a backout?
  1061. # [15:31] <mjrosenb> nemo: it sounds like that would be bad of debugging.
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  1063. # [15:32] <smacleod> Yoric: since there were a few commits since then, do you think you could just do a quick pass of that patch and make sure you can't think of any interactions of the top of your head?
  1064. # [15:32] <smacleod> doesn't have to be anything really thorough for that patch
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  1067. # [15:33] <Yoric> I can try, but don't forget that I have been somewhat disconnected from Session Restore for at least one month.
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  1069. # [15:34] <Gijs> NeilAway: likewise! And yeah, there, but there's also copies of that code in various other places... :(
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  1071. # [15:34] <Gijs> (nsAccessible.cpp, amongst others)
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  1074. # [15:36] <smacleod> ttaubert: ping
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  1078. # [15:38] <smacleod> Yoric: thanks :D
  1079. # [15:38] <Yoric> np
  1080. # [15:38] <till> nemo: if you're talking about playing Candy Crush in Shumway and think that's an issue we should investigate, please head over to #shumway or open a github issue :)
  1081. # [15:38] <ttaubert> smacleod: airport pong :)
  1082. # [15:38] <Yoric> Now back to blogging.
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  1084. # [15:39] <smacleod> ttaubert: hey! no worries, un-pong. Just ping me when you're at the office and have some time to chat
  1085. # [15:40] <ttaubert> smacleod: sure, I'll be in the office in about 3 hours I hope
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  1096. # [15:49] <nemo> till: oh. no. this javascript game... http://candies.aniwey.net/
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  1098. # [15:50] <till> nemo: oh, ok! Sorry for the confusion, then ;)
  1099. # [15:50] <nemo> till: <button class="tooltip" onclick="potions.seed();" disabled="disabled" style="border: 2px solid #3DAB3A; padding: 2px 5px;"></button>
  1100. # [15:50] <nemo> for some reason it wasn't clicking reliably at all
  1101. # [15:50] <nemo> until I closed the JS console
  1102. # [15:50] <nemo> builtin one
  1103. # [15:50] <nemo> perf seemed to improve a little too
  1104. # [15:50] <nemo> which was odd since I was on the console, not net or whatev
  1105. # [15:51] <nemo> and net wasn't doing much anyway
  1106. # [15:51] <mjrosenb> nemo: oh no, not candybox.
  1107. # [15:51] <nemo> oh. and it obv wasn't disabled when I was clicking :)
  1108. # [15:51] <nemo> mjrosenb: ;)
  1109. # [15:51] <nemo> mjrosenb: completely ruined our team's productivity
  1110. # [15:51] <nemo> which is odd...
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  1112. # [15:52] <mjrosenb> nemo: a while back, I sniped an entire channel with that.
  1113. # [15:52] <mjrosenb> I guess it wasn't sniping so much as grenading
  1114. # [15:52] <mjrosenb> or gattlinging
  1115. # [15:52] <mjrosenb> *gatlinging
  1116. # [15:53] <nemo> :)
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  1119. # [15:55] <annevk> anyone around who worked on the notifications code?
  1120. # [15:55] <mjrosenb> ok, there is no way that I can think of modifing 'gatling' that doesn't sound ridiculous
  1121. # [15:55] <Ms2ger> wchen?
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  1138. # [16:06] <mjrosenb> Ms2ger: 'whcen' looks nothing like 'gatling' :-p
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  1140. # [16:07] <Ms2ger> mjrosenb, chen, not hcen
  1141. # [16:07] <till> mjrosenb: it doesn't sound ridiculous either, so there's that
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  1143. # [16:09] <mjrosenb> Ms2ger: 'wchen' doesn't look right either.
  1144. # [16:09] <mjrosenb> till: there is that.
  1145. # [16:09] <Ms2ger> mjrosenb, and I was replying to annevk :)
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  1147. # [16:09] <till> Ms2ger: details!
  1148. # [16:09] <@bsmedberg> const icu_50::StringEnumeration::`vftable` is 102k
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  1150. # [16:11] <Ms2ger> Yay, icu
  1151. # [16:11] <@bsmedberg> libevent's _NULL_IMPORT_DESCRIPTOR is 94k
  1152. # [16:11] <@bsmedberg> on windows!
  1153. # [16:11] <mjrosenb> wchen: you mind if we co-opt your name to mean 'shooting a large number of people with a gatling gun'? particularly in the context of nerd sniping large numbers of people in an irc channel?
  1154. # [16:11] <@bsmedberg> or maybe that's freetype
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  1158. # [16:14] <@bsmedberg> oh, I'm calculating this wrong, bah
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  1169. # [16:27] <@bsmedberg> tbsaunde: ping
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  1173. # [16:31] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/e788cc14a5d3 - Ed Morley - Bug 926408 - Import mozcrash 0.9 from upstream
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  1183. # [16:38] <@bsmedberg> Waldo: who knows about ICU data? It turns out that the ICU data is all one big 9MB C++ symbol, so I can't use objdump/nm to help classify it.
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  1185. # [16:39] <Waldo> bsmedberg: is that conceivably an artifact of compilation options, at all? maybe if we compiled ICU differently, those things would show up more clearly
  1186. # [16:39] <Waldo> bsmedberg: note ICU apparently has no concept of a release build with debug info in it
  1187. # [16:39] <@bsmedberg> Waldo: I don't know. I was hoping that somebody already knew about this, so that I didn't have to go learn it all from the makefiles ;-)
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  1189. # [16:40] <Waldo> bsmedberg: or so ted told me when we were looking at a Windows compilation failure involving --enable-optimize --enable-debug with ICU built
  1190. # [16:40] <@bsmedberg> that... needs to be fixed if it's true, so that crash reporting works
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  1192. # [16:40] <jcranmer|away> ...
  1193. # [16:40] <@bsmedberg> --enable-debug isn't symbols, though
  1194. # [16:40] <jcranmer|away> can we replace ICU's build system with our own, then?
  1195. # [16:40] <Waldo> bsmedberg: I may be misstating the exact details of it
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  1197. # [16:40] <jcranmer|away> it appears that everything about it sucks
  1198. # [16:40] <Waldo> jcranmer|away: well, it's just software, so
  1199. # [16:40] <@bsmedberg> sounds like ted knows enough that I should ping him next
  1200. # [16:40] <Waldo> jcranmer|away: but honestly I have no idea
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  1202. # [16:41] <Waldo> bsmedberg: the honest answer is that Norbert wrote all the ICU integration bits, I think maybe ted or glandium reviewed them, and those are the people you'd want to talk to
  1203. # [16:41] <@bsmedberg> replacing another project's build system if you intend to keep importing new versions of it is... very hard
  1204. # [16:41] <Waldo> for build stuff
  1205. # [16:41] <Waldo> there's also that to be considered
  1206. # [16:42] <jcranmer|away> I guess the real questi on is
  1207. # [16:42] <@bsmedberg> unless you intend to upstream the build system, which I bet for something like ICU would be equally very hard
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  1209. # [16:42] <jcranmer|away> is it beter or worse than NSS's build system? :-P
  1210. # [16:42] <sheppy> pop quiz: what's the easiest way to get a list of all my tabs? I need to nuke my profile but need to get my tabs back when I set up the new one :)
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  1213. # [16:43] <Waldo> jcranmer|away: yes
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  1215. # [16:43] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/fb35d633b229 - Jeff Walden - Bug 925739 - Rename cx->names().classPrototype to just cx->names().prototype, for readability/predictability. r=jorendorff
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  1217. # [16:44] <jorendorff> TIL bestselling books have been typeset with CSS http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2013Sep/0156.html
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  1225. # [16:46] <@bsmedberg> jorendorff: pretty much all ebooks are typeset using CSS...
  1226. # [16:47] <@bsmedberg> .epub is a subset of HTML + CSS plus a container format
  1227. # [16:47] <jorendorff> i mean NYT hardcover bestsellres
  1228. # [16:47] <jorendorff> I'm in the wrong channel, this should be in #jslang
  1229. # [16:47] <@bsmedberg> heh
  1230. # [16:47] <mjrosenb> jorendorff: why are you attempting to discuss CSS in jslang?
  1231. # [16:48] <jorendorff> it is a pointed observation on TC39's maintenance of the ES standard as a Word document
  1232. # [16:48] <mjrosenb> jorendorff: *twitch*
  1233. # [16:48] <jcranmer|away> jorendorff: could be worse; it could be wordperfect
  1234. # [16:48] <Ms2ger> *groan*
  1235. # [16:49] <jorendorff> it could not be substantially worse.
  1236. # [16:49] <mjrosenb> jcranmer|away: or wordstar!
  1237. # [16:49] <jcranmer|away> Lotus 1-2-3!
  1238. # [16:49] <mjrosenb> or just a jpeg.
  1239. # [16:50] <mjrosenb> you need to open it in photoshop, and do your thing to it that way
  1240. # [16:50] <jcranmer|away> nah, bmp
  1241. # [16:50] <mjrosenb> and when you add a new page, you need to decrease the compression quality so it doesn't become too large.
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  1243. # [16:50] <Ms2ger> Still, you can open a jpeg in a browser
  1244. # [16:50] <jcranmer|away> how about PBM then?
  1245. # [16:51] <mjrosenb> Ms2ger: touche. jpeg2000?
  1246. # [16:51] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/a699560fa7d3 - Gian-Carlo Pascutto - Bug 925705 - Fix mismatched logging define check. r=honzab
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  1248. # [16:51] <jcranmer|away> (obscure, highly inefficient image file format)
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  1250. # [16:51] <mjrosenb> til, george r r martin still uses wordstar.
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  1252. # [16:52] <@bsmedberg> edmorley|sheriffduty: since the canadians are away today, would you be willing to back out bug 915558 for topcrash bug 926427 and respin nightlies?
  1253. # [16:52] <Ms2ger> mjrosenb, ah, so that's why it always takes ages until he finishes a book
  1254. # [16:52] <gcp> swapping all those floppies man
  1255. # [16:53] <reuben> where's Ghost_of_MNG when you need him
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  1257. # [16:53] <Ms2ger> 7h 7min away
  1258. # [16:53] <mjrosenb> evidently, wordstar went into decline in the mid-to-late 80's.
  1259. # [16:54] <reuben> if it was up to GRRM, he'd use crayon
  1260. # [16:54] <reuben> "for Stephen Boucher/wizard of Windows,/dragon of DOS/ without whom this book would have/been written in crayon"
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  1268. # [16:56] <edmorley|sheriffduty> bsmedberg: sure :-)
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  1281. # [16:59] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/ab8e70fb76a8 - Ed Morley - Backed out changeset 734a282006c2 (bug 915558) for causing topcrash bug 926427
  1282. # [16:59] <edmorley|sheriffduty> evilpie: errr... I thought the clue would be in the subject? (dev.planning)
  1283. # [16:59] <edmorley|sheriffduty> :P
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  1285. # [17:00] <Gijs> evilpie: yeah, I was also surprised to read that. :|
  1286. # [17:00] <evilpie> I was like "this is a really dark joke" and clicked on it
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  1288. # [17:00] <Gijs> joke's on you!
  1289. # [17:00] <evilpie> not a clever person
  1290. # [17:00] <Gijs> ;)
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  1293. # [17:01] <evilpie> I actually got an email with "ewww & cheers" so I am not the only one
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  1296. # [17:02] <mjrosenb> if hg stat | grep -v '^\?' is empty, hg update -r foo should succeed, right?
  1297. # [17:02] <mjrosenb> testing/xpcshell/xpcshell.ini: untracked file differs
  1298. # [17:02] <mjrosenb> oh, missed that.
  1299. # [17:02] <mjrosenb> derp.
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  1301. # [17:05] <glob> Waldo, lol
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  1311. # [17:11] <reuben> hahahah
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  1323. # [17:16] <NeilAway> jcranmer|away: hey, wordperfect 5.1 >>> any version of word from the same era
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  1328. # [17:19] <mjrosenb> NeilAway: yes, but that is like saying i'd rather ride a t rex to work than a triceratops.
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  1332. # [17:20] <jcranmer> NeilAway: speaking of which, any eta on reviews?
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  1335. # [17:21] <mjrosenb> does anyone remember the solution for /home/mjrosenb/src/central/central-854462/js/src/jsfuninlines.h:196: undefined reference to `JSFunction::FinalizeKind'
  1336. # [17:21] <mjrosenb> from several months ago?
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  1341. # [17:22] <NeilAway> jcranmer: hopefully later this week
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  1344. # [17:24] <jcranmer> gerv: ping
  1345. # [17:25] <gerv> pong.
  1346. # [17:25] <jcranmer> gerv: is the anything legally unkosher about relicensing MPL2 code as MIT if I'm the sole author?
  1347. # [17:25] <gerv> jcranmer: Depends if you are the copyright holder.
  1348. # [17:25] <gerv> If you were working for Mozilla at the time, Mozilla owns the copyright.
  1349. # [17:25] <gerv> Otherwise, no legal problem at all.
  1350. # [17:26] <gerv> (If you want to relicense some code that Mozilla owns the copyright to, file a mozilla.org::Licensing bug.)
  1351. # [17:26] <jcranmer> I'm the copright holder
  1352. # [17:26] <gerv> Then you can do whatever you like.
  1353. # [17:26] <gerv> You can release copies of the code under 27 different mutually incompatible licensing regimes if you wish.
  1354. # [17:26] <jcranmer> okay, I wanted to make sure there were no riders in the MPL2 license that prevented that
  1355. # [17:26] <mjrosenb> gerv: anything that I work on while at mozilla is owned by mozilla?
  1356. # [17:27] <gerv> mjrosenb: Well, you should check your contract. But that's the normal situation.
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  1359. # [17:27] <gerv> Of course, there is an expectation that things we write will be part of the Mozilla codebase,
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  1361. # [17:27] <gerv> and so the licenses used there give you and everyone else significant rights to use the code in other ways,
  1362. # [17:27] <gerv> regardless.
  1363. # [17:28] <mjrosenb> gerv: well, in that case, mozilla owns some incredibly silly code :-)
  1364. # [17:28] <smontagu> s/while at mozilla/in work hours using mozilla resources/
  1365. # [17:28] <mjrosenb> smontagu: ok, that makes much more sense.
  1366. # [17:28] <gerv> mjrosenb: smontagu's correction is important.
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  1369. # [17:28] <gerv> Although actually,
  1370. # [17:29] <gerv> what code is covered is _definitely_ something that you should check your contract and local law about,
  1371. # [17:29] <smontagu> again, your contract may vary
  1372. # [17:29] <gerv> because there have been arguments about this in various jurisdictions
  1373. # [17:29] <gerv> and I wouldn't want to mislead you.
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  1375. # [17:29] <gerv> I would say that the morally correct answer would be "on mozilla time or using Mozilla resources"
  1376. # [17:29] <gerv> but it may not be the legal answer.
  1377. # [17:29] <jcranmer> I think I may have worked on some of the code while I was an intern but not during Mozilla time
  1378. # [17:30] <jcranmer> but I also threw away most of that early code...
  1379. # [17:30] <smontagu> does importing a source tree into xcode 4 ever end?
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  1382. # [17:33] <Callek|buildduty> smontagu: depends if you know how to break out of quantum loops
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  1390. # [17:38] <Gijs> smontagu: I selectively import the folders I care about because of that...
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  1392. # [17:39] <Gijs> argh
  1393. # [17:39] <Gijs> gps: seriously, skip-if = True doesn't do what it says?
  1394. # [17:40] <Gijs> you need skip-if = true ?
  1395. # [17:40] <Gijs> That is well weird.
  1396. # [17:40] <gps> Gijs: file a bug against the manifest parser
  1397. # [17:40] <Gijs> (especially because the docs say that the only python constants the code exposes are True, False and None, all of which are capitalized)
  1398. # [17:40] <gps> testing :: mozbase
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  1402. # [17:41] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/e061f3176d00 - Mike Hommey - Bug 926010 - Create 'binaries' stamp when recursing build/clang-plugin; r=jcranmer
  1403. # [17:42] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/1954202491f1 - Mike Hommey - Bug 925993 - Ensure clang-plugin is built before everything else; r=gps
  1404. # [17:42] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/bf040664a905 - Mike Hommey - Bug 926126 - Enable pseudo derecurse on releng builds, and enable parallel export; r=gps
  1405. # [17:42] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/7c03811dad30 - Mike Hommey - Bug 926007 - Backout changeset 0887088eee1a (bug 842341) because it's only used to support msys-paths with gnu make on windows, which is an unsupported setup; r=gps
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  1407. # [17:43] <Ms2ger> Gijs, that's in moz.build, not manifests :)
  1408. # [17:43] <till> bsmedberg: thanks for the dev-platform post!
  1409. # [17:43] <Gijs> Ms2ger: :(
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  1411. # [17:43] <@bsmedberg> till: sorry it took so long :-(
  1412. # [17:43] <Ms2ger> Gijs, but we should catch that
  1413. # [17:43] <till> bsmedberg: no worrie
  1414. # [17:43] <till> s
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  1419. # [17:45] <Gijs> Ms2ger, gps: filed, you're CC'd.
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  1440. # [17:58] <gps> edmorley|sheriffduty: please ping me if any of Mike Hommey's patches bust inbound. I can manage a selective backout
  1441. # [17:58] <edmorley|sheriffduty> gps: ok :-)
  1442. # [17:58] <gps> (hint: it's likely bf040664a905)
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  1491. # [18:24] <@bsmedberg> till: are you not subscribed to dev-platform?
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  1494. # [18:24] <till> bsmedberg: just realized that, re-sending. Thanks
  1495. # [18:24] <till> oh
  1496. # [18:24] <@bsmedberg> till: I approved it
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  1498. # [18:25] <till> bsmedberg: thanks!
  1499. # [18:25] <@bsmedberg> I just wondered if you were subscribed under some other name, or something
  1500. # [18:25] <sheppy> Hey all - anyone know why in the last day or two, Nightly has started to insert a copy of the current paragraph when I hit return? Happens on MDN as well as on the CKEditor site's demo. See this video for an example: http://screencast.com/t/C2FV3EE4
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  1502. # [18:26] <Ms2ger> sheppy, I think there's a bug
  1503. # [18:26] <Ms2ger> I should probably back bz out :/
  1504. # [18:26] <sheppy> Ms2ger: It's obviously a bug, I'm just trying to sort out if I need to file or if it's known. :)
  1505. # [18:26] <Ms2ger> sheppy, bug 926305
  1506. # [18:26] <sheppy> I'm happy to file a bug, but I like to... there ya go :)
  1507. # [18:27] <Ms2ger> Can't beat Alice
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  1509. # [18:27] <Ms2ger> edmorley|sheriffduty, bug 882541 probably needs to come out for that
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  1512. # [18:28] <till> bsmedberg: I am, and sent from that one now
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  1519. # [18:31] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/fcddc11fb2ef - Ed Morley - Backed out changeset 877a227c502f (bug 882541) for causing bug 926305
  1520. # [18:31] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/b5dc6d9578e7 - Ed Morley - Backed out changeset d8636e485e85 (bug 882541)
  1521. # [18:31] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/f313d33bdbc4 - Ed Morley - Backed out changeset ccf11ae08ba2 (bug 882541)
  1522. # [18:31] <@bsmedberg> till / bholley : FWIW, I was partly proposing that content might get blocking workers
  1523. # [18:31] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/8a2bb2622978 - Ed Morley - Backed out changeset 61092280cb2a (bug 882541)
  1524. # [18:32] <@bsmedberg> but I don't want that to hang up the "get ExternalInterface working in shumway so we can ship it" decision
  1525. # [18:32] <edmorley|sheriffduty> Ms2ger: ta
  1526. # [18:32] <bholley> bsmedberg: yeah
  1527. # [18:32] <till> bsmedberg: yeah, I understood that from your last mail, and responded to it just now
  1528. # [18:32] <Ms2ger> edmorley|sheriffduty, no, thank you :)
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  1531. # [18:33] <till> bsmedberg / bholley: I don't have a particularly strong opinion on that, fwiw. It seems like the demand for it increases, so now's probably a good time to thoroughly investigate doing it
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  1533. # [18:33] <bholley> bsmedberg: it's an interesting conflict between 'let the web do anything native code can do' and "we don't trust web developers to deal with blocking stuff properly"
  1534. # [18:34] <till> bsmedberg, bholley: shipping it for chrome only and using it in Shumway might be a good way to dogfood it
  1535. # [18:34] <bholley> IIRC one of jst's interview questions used to be "design a worker API", and you fail if you include locks
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  1537. # [18:34] <till> heh
  1538. # [18:34] <@bsmedberg> fortunately this doesn't need locks ;-)
  1539. # [18:34] <@bsmedberg> it's also deadlock-free by design, just slightly racy
  1540. # [18:34] <bholley> bsmedberg: also, servo
  1541. # [18:34] <bholley> bsmedberg: is there other stuff that blocks on gfx?
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  1543. # [18:34] <bholley> bsmedberg: there's definitely dom stuff that blocks on layout
  1544. # [18:35] <@bsmedberg> .toDataURL does
  1545. # [18:35] <Ms2ger> bholley, heh, I hope I get that one ;)
  1546. # [18:35] <bholley> Ms2ger: it works better for people who aren't W3C spec editors ;-)
  1547. # [18:35] <@bsmedberg> that's why the current canvas-on-worker impl doesn't allow toDataURL
  1548. # [18:35] <bholley> Ms2ger: in particular, it was designed for people who hadn't even heard of the worker API
  1549. # [18:35] <@bsmedberg> s/impl/spec/
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  1551. # [18:36] <bholley> bsmedberg: interesting - why is that?
  1552. # [18:36] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/ff0cb6c1f106 - Gijs Kruitbosch - Bug 926323 - Tilt tests should unregister observers to prevent errors later on when scopes are dead, r=vporof
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  1554. # [18:36] <bholley> bsmedberg: in general we're _more_ in favor of allowing blocking for worker
  1555. # [18:36] <bholley> s
  1556. # [18:36] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/8a4374c8fc92 - Ed Morley - Merge latest green fx-team changeset and mozilla-central
  1557. # [18:36] <Ms2ger> bholley, I deny being a W3C spec editor ;)
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  1559. # [18:36] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/a4c2df11b142 - Shane Caraveo - bug 878905 use document title for menuitem label in camera menu, r=dao
  1560. # [18:36] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/b6dfeb4a34c8 - Carsten "Tomcat" Book - Merge mozilla-central to fx-team
  1561. # [18:37] <@bsmedberg> bholley: I don't know the details, I've just been reading the whatwg proposals as they come across the list.
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  1563. # [18:38] <daleharvey> if I screw up a patch in a rebase and need to push a minor follow up fix, what is the process?
  1564. # [18:38] <daleharvey> (https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=922896)
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  1568. # [18:39] <fabrice> daleharvey: just push your followup
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  1570. # [18:40] <daleharvey> to inbound and reopen, or central?
  1571. # [18:40] <Ms2ger> Inbound
  1572. # [18:40] <Ms2ger> Reopen or not, either way
  1573. # [18:41] <daleharvey> cool thanks
  1574. # [18:41] <Ms2ger> Np
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  1586. # [18:50] <NeilAway> heh, someone's bugzilla "realname" is "On vacation Oct 12 - Oct 27"
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  1589. # [18:51] <Gijs> NeilAway: it makes sense, means people using :name won't find them for reviews anymore.
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  1592. # [18:52] <daleharvey> thats remarkably similiar to my realname :P
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  1600. # [18:57] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/ad7ca67b369b - Dale Harvey - Bug 922866 - Follow up: Fix error introduced in rebase. r=trivial
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  1602. # [18:57] <zzzzz> m-c windows re-spin is burning...
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  1611. # [19:02] <Ms2ger> NeilAway, that's bz
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  1626. # [19:09] <jcranmer> I wonder if I should risk mentioning to the OMG-DON'T-DO-DRM thread that we already ship some stuff that's not available in our source code (Google API keys, mostly)
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  1631. # [19:10] <Ms2ger> jcranmer, please don't
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  1639. # [19:15] <daleharvey> kats|away: (or anyone else) just wondering if there is a sensible way to test the APZC / gestures stuff I am working on, I havent seen many tests around this area
  1640. # [19:15] <jcranmer> why are there so many standards for JS modules?
  1641. # [19:15] <Gijs> jcranmer: I already noted that just the requirement of binary blobs doesn't mean we couldn't ship APIs that could be used by binary add-ons/plugins.
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  1643. # [19:15] <till> jcranmer: because people like standards?
  1644. # [19:16] <jcranmer> Gijs: well, I'm willing to bet that trying to inject reason into this debate is not going to work
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  1646. # [19:16] <Gijs> jcranmer: I know. I mean, the sad thing is that this is a hard question. We had some interesting debate at the Brussels summit, actually.
  1647. # [19:16] <jcranmer> we had some discussion at the Toronto summit as well
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  1649. # [19:18] <sfoster> daleharvey, fwiw we're not attempting automated tests of apzc directly in metro, for better or worse
  1650. # [19:18] <Ms2ger> Boo
  1651. # [19:19] <sfoster> though we have mochitests that scroll and stuff and should tickle it.
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  1658. # [19:22] <daleharvey> sfoster: yeh, have a few patches in for tap / double tap gesture stuff and would be a lot more comfortable if I could test it easily, but it seems problematic since its platform dependent
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  1662. # [19:24] <mikedeboer> m-c is not working properly for me on OSX atm, after a bit of searching this happened before: bug 812647
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  1665. # [19:24] <mikedeboer> firebot: bug 812647
  1666. # [19:24] <firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=812647 cri, --, mozilla20, dustin, REOP, Startup error: Could not open any libc. (osfile_unix_allthreads.jsm)
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  1696. # [19:44] <RattyAway> Gijs: who are the module peers/owner for venkman?
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  1698. # [19:44] <jcranmer> isn't it just Gijs?
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  1705. # [19:46] <Gijs> RattyAway, jcranmer: no, there are others. The wiki has the full list. Why?
  1706. # [19:46] <RattyAway> jcranmer: no idea thus asking
  1707. # [19:47] * jcranmer is surprised we haven't killed off venkman yet
  1708. # [19:47] <Gijs> AFAIK it's being held up by seamonkey not having devtools yet.
  1709. # [19:47] <jcranmer> is there anything it does that the new JS debugger doesn't do?
  1710. # [19:47] <sheppy> jcranmer: Whoa, we haven't? Huh.
  1711. # [19:47] <RattyAway> Gijs have patch for Bug 926279 - Build error since Bug 924615 .../venkman/locales/jar.mn': shell metacharacter '{' in command line
  1712. # [19:47] <Gijs> jcranmer: lots, but most of that functionality is broken.
  1713. # [19:47] <jcranmer> Gijs: can't you more or less port Fallen's work?
  1714. # [19:48] <Gijs> jcranmer: I think 'you' in that sentence is the wrong pronoun.
  1715. # [19:48] <Gijs> jcranmer: if it was up to me, Venkman would already be dead.
  1716. # [19:48] <RattyAway> thee?
  1717. # [19:48] <RattyAway> thou?
  1718. # [19:48] <RattyAway> du?
  1719. # [19:48] <Gijs> RattyAway: I'm not doing the "integrate devtools into SeaMonkeY" work, so none of the above.
  1720. # [19:48] <jcranmer> well
  1721. # [19:48] <vedadux> Hey, I have a question about GSoC - Can I propose to a project from last year's contest, it said something like that on the community MozillaWiki ?
  1722. # [19:48] <Gijs> RattyAway: if it's a build error, sounds like you should ask a build person for review
  1723. # [19:48] <Gijs> RattyAway: if it needs anything but build fixes, feel free to r? me.
  1724. # [19:49] <jcranmer> "you" in this case is meant to be the plural "you" referring to SM developers who also work with Venkman
  1725. # [19:49] <jcranmer> so "you" is correct and "thou" is incorrect
  1726. # [19:49] <RattyAway> Gijs: ok will get a build peer to review
  1727. # [19:49] * Gijs would also not consider himself a SM developer. :)
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  1732. # [19:51] <jcranmer> you work with Venkman, ergo, you ar a SM developer :-P
  1733. # [19:51] <Gijs> Shaver is a peer for Venkman, too, if you want to have this discussion with him, I'm sure he'd be happy to. :)
  1734. # [19:51] <Gijs> As is Brendan.
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  1736. # [19:51] <Gijs> Anyhow, I'm sure both of them would like to be shot of JSD v1 as well
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  1739. # [19:52] <Fallen> Gijs: jcranmer: it should already work with the extension
  1740. # [19:52] <RattyAway> Gijs: how about chatzilla? would a build system peer suffice ?
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  1742. # [19:53] <Gijs> RattyAway: if it's just jar.mn fixes and the python script continues to work, yes.
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  1744. # [19:53] <Gijs> s/jar.mn/jar.mn, Makefile.in, mozbuild/
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  1746. # [19:53] <Gijs> Fallen: great! Are there build options to integrate it completely?
  1747. # [19:54] <Gijs> Fallen: and/or, where can I track work on that?
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  1749. # [19:54] <Gijs> (as that'd probably be a requirement to actually remove Venkman from the ordinary comm-central build process stuff)
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  1751. # [19:54] <Fallen> Gijs: currently its in mail/compontents, I'm happy to move it anywhere you like. For Thunderbird, we either package it directly by building mail/components/devtools/ or we use the same files to build the extension in the subdir mail/components/devtools/extension
  1752. # [19:55] <Fallen> Some slight changes might have to be made so the overlay is added to the correct Seamonkey files
  1753. # [19:55] <RattyAway> Gijs: basically in Makefiles:
  1754. # [19:55] <RattyAway> -INSTALL_EXTENSION_ID = {59c81df5-4b7a-477b-912d-4e0fdf64e5f2}
  1755. # [19:55] <jcranmer> maybe we should try moving the devtools stuff to toolkit?
  1756. # [19:55] <RattyAway> +INSTALL_EXTENSION_ID = "{59c81df5-4b7a-477b-912d-4e0fdf64e5f2}"
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  1758. # [19:55] <Fallen> jcranmer: most of the devtools stuff is actually in toolkit, the files in mail/ is only the glue needed to start it, as well as an actor for the mail "tabs"
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  1761. # [19:56] <RattyAway> how come nobody mentions actresses ?
  1762. # [19:56] <jcranmer> because then we'd have the Britishers making puns about actresses and bishops
  1763. # [19:57] <Gijs> jcranmer++
  1764. # [19:57] <RattyAway> :P
  1765. # [19:57] <Fallen> Gijs: I haven't opened a bug to move it somewhere Seamonkey can take advantage of it because I haven't talked to anyone on this subject
  1766. # [19:57] * Gijs can feel responsibility poking around the corner
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  1768. # [19:58] <RattyAway> Fallen: we didn't want to distract you from your GSoC, but now that's wrapped up...
  1769. # [19:58] <Fallen> oh it wouldn't have been much distraction :)
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  1771. # [19:59] <Gijs> Fallen: please file a bug and CC Ratty and me, and anyone else #seamonkey says needs to be in on this decision.
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  1775. # [19:59] * jcranmer looks forward to seeing the backside of venkman
  1776. # [19:59] * Gijs will become a SeaMonkey developer temporarily if that's what it takes to get rid of Venkman.
  1777. # [19:59] <WeirdAl> jcranmer: amen
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  1780. # [19:59] <RattyAway> oops 2am biab
  1781. # [19:59] <Fallen> do you think you could take care of filing the bug? I'm very busy with a critical bug atm
  1782. # [20:00] <Gijs> Fallen: I can but it'll be late tonight, I need to run, too :)
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  1786. # [20:00] <Gijs> RattyAway: as for those patches, rs=me from a CZ/Venkman perspective
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  1797. # [20:04] <gandi> nbp: ping
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  1805. # [20:06] <WeirdAl> so what's Marionette? Tomcat mentioned that as a failure point for the log4moz bug.
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  1807. # [20:07] <Ms2ger> Testing framework
  1808. # [20:07] <AutomatedTester> WeirdAl: automation framework
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  1810. # [20:08] <Ms2ger> I guess that's more accurate
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  1812. # [20:08] <WeirdAl> hm, well, bug 451283 comment 55 didn't state what caused Marionette to time out.
  1813. # [20:08] <sfink> is there any connection between mozmill and marionette?
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  1818. # [20:09] <AutomatedTester> sfink: marionette is the one framework to rule them all
  1819. # [20:09] <whimboo> sfink: marionette is mostly the successor of mozmill
  1820. # [20:09] <jgraham> Automation library, arguably, if you think that the difference between a framework and a library is that a framework calls you, but you call a library
  1821. # [20:09] <whimboo> sfink: mozmill will also depend on marionette in the future
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  1825. # [20:11] <sfink> I saw the announcement of mozmill 2.0, and wondered (1) do we use mozmill anywhere, and (2) what does that mean for marionette (which it seems we *do* use)
  1826. # [20:11] <sfink> but they were rather ill-formed questions, since I don't actually know what either one is in the first place
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  1831. # [20:12] <whimboo> sfink: mozmill is used by qa to run functional tests for firefox desktop, while marionette is used for firefox os and fennec
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  1834. # [20:13] <whimboo> mozmill has a lot of limitations
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  1858. # [20:25] <nbp> gandalf: I haven't look at it yet.
  1859. # [20:25] <gandalf> nbp: sure. Can I help you somehow?
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  1861. # [20:26] <nbp> gandalf: Sure, if you can reduce the angular momentum of Earth such as I can have more hours per day.
  1862. # [20:26] <gandalf> nbp: is there instruction for that on MDN?
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  1873. # [20:33] <nbp> gandalf: I think we can do it with CSS transform and an image of the Earth.
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  1875. # [20:34] <nbp> gandalf: but it would probably take an Enormous amount of enegry to render that in the Universe.
  1876. # [20:38] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/30afbcdcec4d - Ryan VanderMeulen - Backed out 2 changesets (bug 915757, bug 919885) for frequent Android Armv6 mochitest-8 crashes.
  1877. # [20:40] <deian> yury: for some reason my needinfo requests on bugzilla are being ignored; I think https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=919209 is good to go
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  1879. # [20:43] <yury> deian: nice
  1880. # [20:43] <gandalf> nbp: gosh, I hope that latest changes to webgl can handle that
  1881. # [20:44] <yury> deian: i think you need checkin-needed in keywords (see http://blog.bonardo.net/2010/06/22/so-youre-about-to-use-checkin-needed)
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  1883. # [20:44] <jcranmer> nbp: twirl in the other direction fast enough, and let the conservation of angular momentum kick in
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  1890. # [20:47] <deian> yury: I do, but I can't set flags
  1891. # [20:47] <deian> yury: maybe set me as the asignee
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  1895. # [20:48] <@bsmedberg> hrm, tbird is crashing without the crash reporter
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  1898. # [20:52] <nbp> jcranmer: You mean I let the other twirl fast enough? Because if you go extremelly fast, than the relativity kicks in and this shorten your days.
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  1900. # [20:53] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> jib: inbound bustae
  1901. # [20:53] <jib> ugh
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  1903. # [20:54] <jcranmer> nbp: relativity would make you live longer compared to the rest of us
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  1906. # [20:56] <nbp> jcranmer: which works as the opposite of my goal to get more hours per day.
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  1908. # [20:57] <jcranmer> ah, I suppose gandalf should do the twirling then
  1909. # [20:57] <jcranmer> and give he rest of us more hours per day
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  1911. # [20:57] <jib> jesup: any idea? https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=29093837&tree=Mozilla-Inbound&full=1
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  1930. # [21:08] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> jib: looks like we might as well backout?
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  1933. # [21:09] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> jib: actually
  1934. # [21:09] <jib> RyanVM: yes I think so. Not sure what appened
  1935. # [21:09] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> nevermind, this is probably just stupid windows webidl bustage
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  1937. # [21:09] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> needs-clobber I bet
  1938. # [21:09] <jib> the dictionaries are defined in RTCPeerConnection.webidl in the first patch, not sure why they're not available
  1939. # [21:09] <jib> maybe
  1940. # [21:10] <jib> worth a shot
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  1942. # [21:10] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> jib: it is, it's the same type of failures we've seen before
  1943. # [21:10] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> I'll dig up the bug in a sec
  1944. # [21:10] <jib> ok thanks
  1945. # [21:10] <Ms2ger> Clobber
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  1947. # [21:10] <Ms2ger> Bug 924992
  1948. # [21:11] <jib> ah
  1949. # [21:12] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> Ms2ger: thanks :)
  1950. # [21:12] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/37e29c27e6e8 - Nomis101 - Bug 901348 - Apply upstream ICU patch to fix OSX 10.9 build errors. r=Waldo
  1951. # [21:12] <Ms2ger> Np
  1952. # [21:12] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/44024cc4a59f - Sankha Narayan Guria - Bug 693838 - Convert capitalization of Probes::functionName to probes::FunctionName. r=sfink
  1953. # [21:12] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/14b7cbd254a8 - Olli Pettay - Bug 915210. r=bz
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  1991. # [21:35] <@bsmedberg> ooh, does that mean blassey is owner of embedding now?
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  1993. # [21:35] <blassey> bsmedberg: not on your life
  1994. # [21:35] <@bsmedberg> :-( I tried
  1995. # [21:35] <blassey> can't blame you
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  1998. # [21:38] <Callek|buildduty> haha
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  2002. # [21:39] <Callek|buildduty> blassey: fwiw I'm a bit nervous on if http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/c2e371d16e65 will break any of our releng automation (that make assumptions based on uploaded files)
  2003. # [21:40] <blassey> Callek|buildduty: it did already
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  2006. # [21:40] <blassey> armen pushed changes to fix your releng automation
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  2008. # [21:40] <Callek|buildduty> ahhhh ok
  2009. # [21:40] <blassey> this is relanding after those fixes
  2010. # [21:40] <Callek|buildduty> totally missed armen's changes
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  2012. # [21:41] <blassey> good looking out though
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  2034. # [21:54] <jld> ++jgriffin; // bug 916359
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  2037. # [21:54] <jgriffin> :)
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  2040. # [21:54] <jld> There's another bug floating around about improving the performance of b2g debug builds, so that people would use them more for development....
  2041. # [21:54] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/8d7c1598c14d - Jonathan Griffin - Bug 925469 - Import errors in __init__.py, r=dburns
  2042. # [21:54] <jgriffin> that would be great too
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  2044. # [21:55] <jgriffin> they're very painful right now!
  2045. # [21:55] <jld> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=845886
  2046. # [21:55] <@smaug> hmm
  2047. # [21:55] <@smaug> I guess we need another type of debug build
  2048. # [21:55] <@smaug> for b2g
  2049. # [21:55] <@smaug> something which doesn't do all the checks desktop debug build does
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  2053. # [21:56] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/0e82e8f1c85f - Eitan Isaacson - Bug 924284 - Output accessible values. r=yzen
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  2055. # [21:56] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/9e39971f3bb3 - Eitan Isaacson - Bug 915458 - Land on nesting labels instead of their children, and present them correctly. r=yzen
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  2088. # [22:12] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/f327334172ab - Camilo Viecco - Bug 926166: disable aes-gcm ciphers as default. r=bsmith.
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  2090. # [22:15] <gcp> whoever commited that: bug number is wrong
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  2099. # [22:22] <KWierso|sheriffduty> gcp: looks like it should be 926116
  2100. # [22:22] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/755ecb4d6e2c - Brian Hackett - Bug 925962 - Add missing isValid() check.
  2101. # [22:22] <gcp> KWierso|sheriffduty: confirmed
  2102. # [22:23] <philor> KWierso|sheriffduty: dunno whether bhackett will light up more than just the spidermonkey builds, but that's supposed to fix it
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  2104. # [22:24] <firebot> Check-in:
  2105. # [22:24] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/b3273da80b44 - cltbld - Merging together weird heads on GECKO60_2011080402_RELBRANCH; doesn't affect any code that is still to be released, just needs to be done to get around the single head per branch hook
  2106. # [22:24] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/b92f59193b52 - tbirdbld - Added tag THUNDERBIRD_6_0_RELEASE for changeset b961763def47. CLOSED TREE a=release
  2107. # [22:24] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/3fe6fa02e97a - tbirdbld - Added tag THUNDERBIRD_6_0_BUILD1 for changeset b961763def47. CLOSED TREE a=release
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  2113. # [22:27] <KWierso|sheriffduty> gcp: trying to remember what the general policy is. backout and reland with the right number, or just comment in each bug?
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  2115. # [22:28] <fabrice1> !seen jduell
  2116. # [22:28] <firebot> jduell was last seen 3 days, 20 hours, 52 minutes and 23 seconds ago, saying 'sicking: agreed' in #developers.
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  2118. # [22:28] <jcranmer> THUNDERBIRD_6_0_BUILD1 ?
  2119. # [22:29] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/3a486112072b - Olli Pettay - Bug 915210, follow the COM rules when flushing a presshell, r=bz
  2120. # [22:29] <@smaug> oh, crap. I was going to land that to m-i
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  2122. # [22:30] <jcranmer> Standard8: I think your hand slipped there ^^^
  2123. # [22:30] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/274fcca6c2b1 - Camilo Viecco - Backed out changeset f327334172ab. Bad bug number in comment.  926116(good) vs 926166(bad)
  2124. # [22:30] <Standard8> jcranmer: not me
  2125. # [22:30] <jcranmer> er, wait?
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  2127. # [22:30] <KWierso|sheriffduty> jcranmer: aki in #releng did some things
  2128. # [22:30] <jcranmer> that's from 2011?
  2129. # [22:31] <@smaug> RyanVM: sorry
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  2132. # [22:32] <KWierso|sheriffduty> jcranmer: " i'm going to make m-b not require approval for a few seconds to fix a vcs-sync issue with GECKO60_2011080402_RELBRANCH"
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  2136. # [22:33] <RyanVM> smaug: i already did
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  2138. # [22:33] <RyanVM> per the bug
  2139. # [22:33] <RyanVM> smaug: I've already got the uplifts ready to push once inbound goes green
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  2141. # [22:33] <@smaug> RyanVM: right, but I accidentally pushed to m-c
  2142. # [22:33] <@smaug> and didn't realize you had pushed to m-i already
  2143. # [22:34] <@smaug> sorry about that
  2144. # [22:34] <RyanVM> smaug: ah
  2145. # [22:34] <RyanVM> let's hope it doesn't burn then :)
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  2148. # [22:35] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/57cfa6f88b8e - Camilo Viecco - Bug 926116 : AES-GCM ciphers now disabled by default. r=bsmith
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  2150. # [22:36] <gcp> KWierso|sheriffduty: I've mostly seen backouts but commenting with a link in the wrong bug would solve the problem too.
  2151. # [22:36] <gcp> i.e. "why was this change made"
  2152. # [22:36] <KWierso|sheriffduty> gcp: looks like the patch author already backed out and relanded :)
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  2156. # [22:36] <gcp> KWierso|sheriffduty: I asked him.
  2157. # [22:37] <RyanVM> bonus points for backing out and relanding with DONTBUILD next time
  2158. # [22:37] <RyanVM> lest we spin two rounds of builds and tests for the same push
  2159. # [22:37] <philor> three, with one for the push before the push
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  2163. # [22:38] <RyanVM> smaug: should I change the commit message on the uplifts since the cat is out of the bag on the m-c push anyway?
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  2165. # [22:39] <@smaug> RyanVM: if you could.
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  2174. # [22:42] <jhford> do we have a way to turn off the top sites feature for android?
  2175. # [22:42] <jhford> as a user?
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  2177. # [22:43] <gcp> not afaik
  2178. # [22:43] <gcp> its just your awesomebar top hits basically
  2179. # [22:44] <jhford> :(
  2180. # [22:44] <jhford> thanks
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  2183. # [22:46] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/0a16850fbd85 - Jason Orendorff - Bug 923836 - Set aside the first 3 reserved slots of global objects for application use. r=Waldo.
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  2186. # [22:48] <gcp> jhford: feel free to file bugs for your use case where it's disturbing
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  2189. # [22:49] <jhford> gcp: it's never disturbing, it's just that I've been asked by every firefox for android user I know how to turn it off
  2190. # [22:49] <jhford> and I know that I don't like this feature much myself
  2191. # [22:49] <gcp> jhford: interesting, haven't seen it on feedback myself
  2192. # [22:49] <@smaug> bsmedberg: have you read the W3C thread about Sync worker->mainthread API?
  2193. # [22:50] <jhford> i doubt these people know what feedback is
  2194. # [22:50] <@bsmedberg> smaug: no, what list?
  2195. # [22:50] <@smaug> bsmedberg: public-webapps
  2196. # [22:50] <jhford> i mean, for my dad who uses his tablet at tim hortons, the page is just 6 screenshots of the tim hortons captive portal
  2197. # [22:50] <gcp> jhford: you should file bugs on both of those
  2198. # [22:50] <jhford> ok
  2199. # [22:50] <@smaug> bsmedberg: started 09/01/2012
  2200. # [22:51] <gcp> the captive thing is very relevant with mobile devices; I agree
  2201. # [22:51] <@smaug> but the thread is active again
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  2203. # [22:51] <@smaug> bsmedberg: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2012JulSep/0629.html
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  2207. # [22:53] <jesup> jhford: gcp: the thumbnail thing is also a problem with webrtc sites (and <video> tags in general, not just webrtc) - and not just on android. There's a about:config pref hidden somewhere to stop it, but no user level pref
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  2209. # [22:54] <jhford> jesup: is it the same newtab settings as the desktop product?
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  2211. # [22:54] <@bsmedberg> smaug: is there a tl/dr version? I see that bug 783190 is not fixed or anything.
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  2213. # [22:54] <gcp> jhford: I don't think so
  2214. # [22:55] <@smaug> bsmedberg: not really. it is all being discussed still
  2215. # [22:55] <@bsmedberg> sep 2012 was a long time ago
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  2218. # [22:55] <@smaug> bsmedberg: like there has been many messages today
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  2220. # [22:55] <@smaug> bsmedberg: you really want sicking here
  2221. # [22:56] <jesup> jhford: I would assume the same about:config is active to turn off the thumbnail service
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  2223. # [22:56] <philor> KWierso|sheriffduty: closing inbound while I wait for a bhackett answer :(
  2224. # [22:56] <@smaug> that was nice. I typed the sentence before I saw sicking joining the channel
  2225. # [22:56] <@bsmedberg> smaug: ok, this seems limited to blocking the worker on content, when we in fact need to block in both directions with race resolution
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  2227. # [22:56] <philor> also? the exact same answer as always to "have I ever been happy I gave someone a chance to fix in place rather than backing them out without asking them?"
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  2230. # [22:57] <@bsmedberg> but it's good to see that I'm only a year late to the party
  2231. # [22:57] <@smaug> bsmedberg: uh, blocking both ways...
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  2233. # [22:57] <KWierso|sheriffduty> philor: hooray
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  2238. # [23:01] <philor> neat, his followup only fixed one of the two shell build failures, backing them out
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  2243. # [23:03] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/27921f21cddf - Phil Ringnalda - Back out 755ecb4d6e2c and 7ea09c8bf385 (bug 925962) for bustage
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  2254. # [23:07] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/9ac4fdef5f52 - Brendan Dahl - Bug 921409 - Proper glyph selection for CIDFontType0C fonts. r=yury, a=akeybl
  2255. # [23:07] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/233ab50d098a - Olli Pettay - Bug 915210 - Follow the COM rules when flushing a presshell. r=bz, a=akeybl
  2256. # [23:07] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/deab85933daa - Paul Adenot - Bug 899050 - Add rudimentary support for multichannel files when using WASAPI. r=kinetik, a=akeybl
  2257. # [23:07] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/3258ea7e136c - Doug Turner - Bug 923618 - Pref off native core location geolocation backend. r=jdm, a=akeybl
  2258. # [23:07] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/0795c3ff3e4c - James Willcox - Bug 902426 - Do not allow duplicate entries in the CRC2D demotion list. r=mattwoodrow, a=akeybl
  2259. # [23:08] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/e5848db83ea7 - Markus Stange - Bug 902591 - Choose the number of linear gradient repetitions in such a way that the whole extents rect is filled. Substantial parts of the code in this patch were written by
  2260. # [23:08] <firebot> roc in bug 508730. r=mattwoodrow, a=lsblakk
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  2263. # [23:11] <cpearce> anyone seen this linking xul.dll with MSVC2012: "uachelper.obj : error LNK2038: mismatch detected for 'RuntimeLibrary': value 'MTd_StaticDebug' doesn't match value 'MDd_DynamicDebug' in nsBidiUtils.obj"
  2264. # [23:11] <cpearce> ?
  2265. # [23:11] <cpearce> plus two other similar ones.
  2266. # [23:11] <cpearce> It's really not making my day... :(
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  2268. # [23:12] <Benvie> cpearce: bug 926083
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  2270. # [23:13] <Benvie> cpearce: yeah it's really problematic
  2271. # [23:13] <cpearce> Benvie: thanks
  2272. # [23:13] <Benvie> can't buil using Visual Studio 2012 currently because of it
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  2274. # [23:14] <cpearce> Is it possible to disable the code that runs it, i.e. ac_add_options --disable-bidi etc?
  2275. # [23:15] <Benvie> I'm not sure, my temporary solution is just to build using VS2010 which I also have installed
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  2278. # [23:17] <cpearce> there is a --disable-bidi .mozcnofig option....
  2279. # [23:17] * cpearce wonders if it still works...
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  2285. # [23:21] <philor> KWierso|sheriffduty: convenient time for an extended closure anyway, we're apparently out of Windows build slaves
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  2287. # [23:21] <KWierso|sheriffduty> hooray
  2288. # [23:22] <philor> 35 minute lag on the push before mine
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  2294. # [23:27] <NeilAway> that reminds me, I think someone told me to ask someone, possibly dcamp, about what debugger actors exist and how to hook them up
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  2302. # [23:32] <gaye|brb> Hey does anyone know who our AC representative is in the html working group
  2303. # [23:32] <gaye|brb> ?
  2304. # [23:32] * gaye|brb is now known as gaye
  2305. # [23:32] <fabrice1> gaye: our AC rep is dbaron
  2306. # [23:33] <gaye> fabrice1: ty ty
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  2308. # [23:33] <@smaug> (AC rep isn't per wg)
  2309. # [23:33] <WeirdAl> NeilAway: bug 884805 might be very relevant
  2310. # [23:34] <fabrice1> smaug: yep, but I'm confident dbaron can redirect to the appropriate people
  2311. # [23:34] <gaye> smaug: Now I feel even less invited to the party :(
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  2313. # [23:35] <fabrice1> gaye: the html wg is "open" anyway
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  2315. # [23:35] <gaye> Oh great
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  2324. # [23:37] <@smaug> gaye: curious, why you're interested in html wg? because of drm madness?
  2325. # [23:37] <@smaug> since in general we try to implement whatwg html spec, not w3c html spec
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  2327. # [23:38] <NeilAway> WeirdAl: not really, it doesn't explain anything
  2328. # [23:38] <gaye> smaug: I'm interested in the web components situation, particularly around rationalizing what we're doing in gaia around where the specs are
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  2333. # [23:39] <@smaug> gaye: web components is happening in webapps wg
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  2336. # [23:40] <jcranmer> what's the status of web components in gecko?
  2337. # [23:40] <Hixie> gaye: as far as the WHATWG HTML spec goes, and how it interacts with web components, i'm waiting for web components to settle down a lot more before integrating it. (<template> settled and was integrated a few months ago.)
  2338. # [23:41] * jcranmer wonders who actually cares about the w3c html spec
  2339. # [23:41] <@smaug> MS, I guess
  2340. # [23:41] <jcranmer> I get the feeling that the W3C kind of said "Hey, we can be relevant! We'll take over from Hixie on developing HTML!"
  2341. # [23:42] <@smaug> well, MS, Google and Netflix want the drm madness too, and it is happening in html wg
  2342. # [23:43] <@smaug> jcranmer: gaye: anyhow, about web components in Gecko, better to ask mrbkap|notcheckingirc
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  2344. # [23:43] <jcranmer> mrbkap|notcheckingirc: start checking IRC
  2345. # [23:43] <gaye> lol
  2346. # [23:43] <gaye> smaug: ty ty
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  2348. # [23:44] <jcranmer> I'm curious, because it seems that HTML is trying hard to deprecate XUL and XBL
  2349. # [23:44] <Hixie> jcranmer: well, sadly despite my best efforts I could never get anyone else to implement XBL :-(
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  2351. # [23:45] <jcranmer> [maybe XBL is seen as too tied to XUL?]
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  2355. # [23:46] <@smaug> jcranmer: not really. Web components is just a new version of XBL
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  2357. # [23:46] <@smaug> very different syntax, sure
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  2359. # [23:46] <@smaug> but in many ways similar
  2360. # [23:46] <@smaug> and has similar weaknesses
  2361. # [23:46] <jcranmer> well, as to why no one implemented XBL
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  2364. # [23:46] <@smaug> right
  2365. # [23:47] <Hixie> xbl2 was viewed as too much, too fast, i think
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  2367. # [23:47] <Hixie> it solved pretty much all the problems web components solved, but it did it in a monolothic and very complicated to implement manner
  2368. # [23:47] <Hixie> and couldn't be done in pieces
  2369. # [23:48] <@smaug> are you saying web components isn't complicated ;)
  2370. # [23:48] <jcranmer> if web components and xbl are similar, maybe we should mass-change our UI to web components when it comes out :-)
  2371. # [23:49] <@smaug> not mass-change
  2372. # [23:49] <@smaug> but yes, change
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  2374. # [23:49] <fabrice1> and let xul die
  2375. # [23:49] <mbrubeck> jcranmer: I'm absolutely looking forward to using more HTML+components instead of XBL in Firefox UI code...
  2376. # [23:50] <@smaug> one could use more HTML+XBL right now
  2377. # [23:50] <Hixie> smaug: no, i'm saying it is (was?) piece-meal, so you don't have to implement the whole thing at once to get any of it
  2378. # [23:50] * khuey|away is now known as khuey|food
  2379. # [23:50] <mbrubeck> Yeah, we're already using more HTML and less XUL these days.
  2380. # [23:50] <mbrubeck> "display: flex" helps a lot.
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  2382. # [23:50] <Hixie> smaug: i could be wrong, though, i'm not hugely plugged in to that work
  2383. # [23:50] <mbrubeck> Components is the remaining "missing piece" in my opinion.
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  2385. # [23:51] <Hixie> smaug: hopefully it doesn't go nowhere though :-)
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