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# Session Start: Tue Oct 15 00:00:00 2013
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# [00:00] <Ghost_Of_JNG> Why did you murder me?! But you cut it short.
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# [00:00] <@smaug> jcranmer: hey, since you're here. why do we not support Atomic<bool> ?
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# [00:03] <jcranmer> smaug: sizeof(bool) is 1, and atomic primitives where sizeof is 1 are tricky
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# [00:03] <jcranmer> mostly, we didn't have a use for it, it was nontrivial
# [00:04] <jcranmer> file a bug and maybe convince froydnj to implement it
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# [00:19] <efaust> whoa, RyanVM++
# [00:19] <efaust> thanks for doing that uplift :)
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# [00:19] <RyanVM> np :)
# [00:21] <@khuey> RyanVM: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=915757#c19 really? :-(
# [00:21] <RyanVM> khuey: sorry :(
# [00:21] <RyanVM> was nearly perma-fail
# [00:21] <@khuey> RyanVM: and it's android only?
# [00:21] <RyanVM> armv6 no less
# [00:21] <@khuey> fml
# [00:21] <@khuey> can we drop support for armv6? ;-)
# [00:21] <RyanVM> fine by me!
# [00:21] <RyanVM> we could use the tegra capacity
# [00:22] <capella> philor: :)
# [00:22] <Callek|buildduty> khuey: iirc business dev explicitly has deals (in the works and already signed) around our armv6 support
# [00:23] <Callek|buildduty> I don't know fine grained details but blassey and mfinkle would likely
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# [00:24] <Callek|buildduty> yea, I don't read sarcasm on irc unless you do [/sarcasm] -- sorry :-P
# [00:24] <@khuey> and of course we don't run debug so I can't see if assertions are firing
# [00:25] <philor> they are, and if we ran it you still wouldn't see them
# [00:26] <philor> rather than being logged, they're printed out and filed in a cabinet in a disused lavatory
# [00:26] <Callek|buildduty> well we have armv7 debug running on a single branch, but yea even if we hit assertions you almost certainly wouldn't see them for the way the OS and harnesses work right now
# [00:26] <Callek|buildduty> unless it hit in the last 10 seconds or so of the whole test run
# [00:27] <Callek|buildduty> [/slight exaggeration]
# [00:27] <@khuey> le sigh
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# [00:34] <RyanVM> khuey: don't go getting my hopes up :(
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# [00:35] <@khuey> RyanVM: hmm?
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# [01:27] <philor> KWierso|sheriffduty: I'm happy. Are you happy?
# [01:27] <KWierso|sheriffduty> wait, philor is happy? and mozilla hasn't turned off the android tests?
# [01:27] <philor> well. "happy," since there's no way to be truly happy about the way b2g emulator tests managed a few all-green runs when they shouldn't have been
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# [01:29] <KWierso|sheriffduty> philor: I am not currently unhappy :)
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# [01:30] <philor> probably should have waited another 30 minutes just in case some people actually leave at 5, but, reopened
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# [01:31] <Hughman> anyone know why I get a IA2Marshal.dll compile error while compiling firefox on windows?
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# [01:45] <dmajor> Hughman: what's the error?
# [01:47] <gps> so, https://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/fc9733225130 apparently broke VS2012 builds. I've got a bunch of Metro people upset that they are blocked on building m-c
# [01:47] <gps> should we back out just that changeset?
# [01:47] <gps> see bugs 784739 and 926083
# [01:48] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/b0e636c410b8 - Mike Hommey - Bug 869406 - Really enforce non-parallel build of ICU. r=gps
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# [01:52] <Unfocused> gps: er, Metro folks aren't the only ones building using VS2012 :\
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# [01:53] <Unfocused> back it out
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# [01:54] <gps> backed out
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# [01:55] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/f8bd4c964967 - Gregory Szorc - Backout fc9733225130 (bug 784739) for breaking VS2012 builds
# [01:55] <Unfocused> gps: ty!
# [01:55] <Hughman> dmajor: Sorry for delay. https://pastebin.mozilla.org/3260699
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# [01:59] <dougt> RyanVM: +1
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# [01:59] <fabrice1> dougt: what did he backout?
# [02:00] <dougt> hah.
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# [02:00] <dougt> i was going to call you an asshole for that comment...
# [02:00] <dougt> but then I realized it was basically a back out (pref off of something)
# [02:00] <dougt> :)
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# [02:06] <dmajor> Hughman: Ah, I haven't seen that before. I had thought maybe it would be related to Bug 919069 but it seems different.
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# [02:11] <Hughman> dmajor: Yeah. Its VS2010 and the last successful compile was back in April. Maybe I should just get a newer VS...
# [02:12] <dmajor> Hughman: Based on the discussion a few lines up, that would probably make things worse :)
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# [02:14] <dmajor> Hughman: I'm surprised the build didn't at least tell you why it didn't produce an IA2Marshal.dll. Is there any other context outside the snip range that might be relevant?
# [02:15] <Hughman> dmajor: I couldnt see any in the few pages above that
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# [02:16] <Hughman> dmajor: I am not at home where the problem is atm so I cannot check right now. Sadly when I am at home ready to fix it there seems to be nobody here to help
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# [02:18] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/bdbcdd02794e - Jonathan Watt - Bug 926330 - Make DirPickerFileListBuilderTask threading assertion fatal. r=smaug
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# [02:27] <dmajor> Hughman: I would try a --verbose build to see the link command for IA2Marshal.dll, and then run that same link by hand on the command line, maybe the error will stand out better
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# [02:28] <Hughman> dmajor: i will try that. its the best way forward I have currently
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# [02:34] <RyanVM> fabrice1: dougt: sometimes I just can't win for losin :)
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# [02:55] <vlad> Thunderbird cannot decrypt this message
# [02:56] <vlad> I knew that trying to set up secure email for bugzilla was going to result in tears
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# [02:58] <dougt> there is a addon
# [02:58] <philor> using enigmail hasn't been too painful for me: it forced me to stop using trunk Thunderbird, which was a win, and now the only annoyance is that it wants my master password when Tb is in the background, and pops up a prompt in the oddest places
# [03:00] <mfinkle> vlad, i have been just opening in bugzilla
# [03:00] <mfinkle> for the same fear
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# [03:00] <vlad> dougt: doesn't work in nightly
# [03:00] <vlad> "Penango"?
# [03:00] <vlad> it just doesn't recognize gmail
# [03:01] <vlad> so I tried to use thunderbird.. which doesn't work for unknown reasons
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# [03:01] <dougt> hold on thunderbird is beachballing.
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# [03:04] <dougt> vlad: it is called enigmail.
# [03:04] <dougt> but I use postbox
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# [03:04] <vlad> oh thunderbird addon
# [03:04] <vlad> yeah, I guess I should try
# [03:04] <vlad> I mean supposedly there is native support
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# [03:45] <philor> gotta love a bug where I'm forced to argue in favor of making people wait for their try builds to start
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# [03:46] <nemo> heh. I was so used to that stupid trimurls screwing up select and copy in virtually any operation that I pasted a link as http://http://
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# [03:47] <nemo> (that is, I typed http:// reflexively before pasting the bit trimurls screws up, and for once it actually had added the http:// correctly)
# [03:47] <nemo> so wish opera's design had won there :-/
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# [03:55] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/0cb34784d9da - Matt Woodrow - Bug 740598 - Add optimized version of CopyRect for the cairo backend. r=Bas
# [03:56] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/85901120533c - Matt Woodrow - Bug 923542 - Draw to the correct destination rect when computing alpha masks. r=ajones
# [03:56] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/b3a790613001 - Matt Woodrow - Bug 740598 - Add CopyRect API to Moz2D. r=Bas
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# [03:58] <KWierso|sheriffduty> daleharvey: ping?
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# [04:11] <seth> try retriggers automatically if build fails due to twisted.internet.error.ConnectionLost, right?
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# [04:13] <philor> seth: no
# [04:13] <seth> thanks
# [04:13] <ewong> philor that's a purple releng issue, right?
# [04:14] <philor> blue means it automatically retriggered, purple and that failure whose name I cannot type because I already have too many holes punched in my wall does not
# [04:14] <seth> yup, it's purple
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# [04:14] <philor> ewong: well, "purple means releng" is one of our worst misconceptions
# [04:14] <ewong> ;P sorry..
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# [04:14] <philor> I keep threatening to completely remove color distinctions because of it ;)
# [04:15] <philor> purple means at some point something happened which at least in some cases someone thought was infrastructure
# [04:15] <Unfocused> so... not green == releng? wfm
# [04:16] <philor> but we treat it as though it not only always means infra, but also means "and there's no need for me to retrigger, even though I didn't get results for that test suite"
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# [04:16] <philor> so people push to try, time out on windows, which winds up purple because we totally suck and don't handle timeouts correctly and it falls through to the buildbot timeout, don't retrigger, and just push away
# [04:19] <philor> the difference between red and orange and purple conveys *absolutely* no information, none at all
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# [04:22] <glandium> philor: there is an interesting difference between red and orange on a B: if it's red, you're not going to have tests running for the build
# [04:23] <glandium> and you don't have binaries to download
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# [04:26] <philor> glandium: yeah, I was trying to think of whether there were red-orange mixups on builds - there certainly are red-purple mixups, most of the infra failures turn them red, but it's probably the one place where orange really does mean test failure
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# [04:27] <philor> and in fact red does not mean you won't have tests, just that you probably won't unless it was in a post-sendchange step when you will
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# [04:36] <nigelb> morning
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# [04:37] <philor> holy blinding green, https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=edb04a8b9b53, let's merge to aurora right now
# [04:38] <philor> oh, wait, that's just coincidence and the OF is still over 5
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# [04:51] <karl> who told jet that moving from 32 to 64-bit x86 abi would help with memory bandwidth?
# [04:52] <karl> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/mozilla.dev.platform/zACrUe_JwKw/InaCuzIWf-4J
# [04:52] <karl> do the extra registers help a little there?
# [04:53] <karl> i could imagine that being able to map files directly into the address space could save some double handling, but memory bandwidth is not usually the limit when dealing with files
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# [04:54] <karl> but of course there are good reasons to move to 64-bit abi
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# [05:07] <philor> I wish just once I could remember that disconnect storms require a clobber *before* I retrigger 40 builds, instead of after
# [05:07] <RyanVM> heh
# [05:07] <RyanVM> been there, done that :)
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# [05:09] <RyanVM> here's a question
# [05:09] <RyanVM> why do we run talos on esr branches?
# [05:09] <RyanVM> are we really *that* concerned about perf-killing security backports?
# [05:10] <philor> yes, but only the one in ten million one that doubles something which it barely or not at all changed on the trunk
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# [05:10] <RyanVM> and I'm sure the intended esr audience will notice and/or care
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# [05:11] <philor> we don't actually report the results to tree-management, do we?
# [05:11] <philor> so we probably have halved perf, we just never looked
# [05:13] <RyanVM> hah, even better
# [05:13] * RyanVM should file and needinfo joduinn
# [05:13] <philor> heh
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# [05:14] <philor> wonder how often we do an esr release without enough pushes in between to even trigger the script, if it ran against them
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# [05:24] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/cdcaeede6626 - Matt Woodrow - Bug 922942 - Use Moz2D for android snapshots. r=roc
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# [05:24] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/21793156b6ea - Matt Woodrow - Bug 926258 - Implement a Moz2D version of gfxPath. r=Bas
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# [06:30] <glob> ok, who broke gif images?
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# [06:32] <heycam> glob, are you talking about restarting looping gifs when the whole gif hasn't finished downloading?
# [06:32] * heycam noticed that change in behaviour recently
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# [06:32] <glob> heycam, i'm seeing broken images - http://feeds.feedburner.com/~ff/qimo?d=yIl2AUoC8zA
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# [06:33] <heycam> glob, that displays for me, though I'm 5 days behind latest nightly
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# [06:33] <glob> heycam, yeah, it's a brand new breakage
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# [06:35] * glob files
# [06:38] <nigelb> shouldn't it be P1?!
# [06:38] <nigelb> gifs are the most important thing on the internet!
# [06:40] <heycam> glob, on latest nightly that still displays fine for me
# [06:40] <glob> heycam, oh, interesting
# [06:41] <glob> heycam, osx?
# [06:41] <heycam> yeah
# [06:41] <dholbert> glob, heycam: broken for me
# [06:41] <dholbert> linux
# [06:41] <dholbert> latest nightly
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# [06:42] <glob> i filed bug 926763
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# [06:53] <dholbert> glob|away, broken for me in Firefox Release, too
# [06:54] <dholbert> glob|away, sorry, never mind - it was broken because I'd made a busted data URI to test <img>
# [06:54] <dholbert> glob|away, WFM in both release & nightly :)
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# [06:55] <@njn> glob|away: I see "email this"
# [06:57] <dholbert> njn, that's the correct results
# [06:58] <dholbert> turns out it's broken for me in my normal profile, WFM in fresh profile
# [06:58] <dholbert> must be a cache corruption issue of some sort
# [06:58] <@njn> dholbert: my build is probably a day or two old
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# [07:41] <WeirdAl> hi, folks - SAXXMLReader to nsParser bug, wondering what kind of (privileged) testcase is preferred
# [07:42] <WeirdAl> bug 926774
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# [07:54] <WeirdAl> :(
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# [08:00] <philor> because sometimes you want the stuff that comes before a parsing error
# [08:00] <philor> like, say, if you're doing an RSS preview
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# [08:02] <glandium> or you want to handle a big document quickly. not that we manage to do that anyways
# [08:03] <WeirdAl> actually SAX is pretty useful for me too in building my own damDOM
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# [08:08] <WeirdAl> however, I'm pretty sure this bug is in nsParser or nsExpatDriver - SAX just happened to be how I hit it
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# [08:55] <WeirdAl> @!%)# build bustage at the very end of the process
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# [08:55] <WeirdAl> xul.dll : fatal error LNK1319: 3 mismatches detected
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# [09:35] <NeilAway> heycam|away: I already filed a bug on gifs restarting before they'd finished downloading, if you know of another one I'll DUP it
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# [09:48] <WeirdAl> hm, xpcshell was a good choice for a hang test... though I wish I didn't have to wait 5 minutes.
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# [09:54] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/5db1f111ac19 - Brian Smith - Bug 839310: Expand TLS intolerance logic to work for versions beyond TLS 1.0, r=keeler, r=wtc
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# [10:01] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> nigelb: thanks for helping with inbound btw
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# [10:04] <nigelb> Tomcat|sheriffduty: I didn't do much!
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# [10:04] <nigelb> Oddly enough, I've been tracking test failures at day job today.
# [10:04] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> nigelb: but you do a great job in general with helping us!
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# [10:15] <nigelb> :)
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# [10:30] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/7664c5abfdbd - Shu-yu Guo - Bug 926512 - Pause barrier verification during fork join sections. (r=billm)
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# [10:30] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/0ce5fda9fbe2 - Shu-yu Guo - Bug 925777 - Remove possibly thread unsafe constructors from Par variants of MIR. (r=bhackett)
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# [10:33] <Gijs> Is someone working on making the webidl stuff not so clobber-heavy?
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# [10:36] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/f585d3d5d879 - Georg Fritzsche - Bug 920927 - Skip reftest 580160-1 on Android, it doesn't work there. r=jmaher
# [10:36] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/99c716714856 - Georg Fritzsche - Bug 920927 - Update plugin overlay handling on mobile. r=margaret
# [10:36] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/7759d30a7ae5 - Georg Fritzsche - Bug 920927 - Fix plugin overlay handling. r=neil
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# [10:45] <TheOne> ugh, ctp doorhanger b0rken: http://i.imgur.com/IOcNT8H.png
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# [11:00] <gfritzsche> TheOne: on which channel?
# [11:00] <gfritzsche> some fixes are on nightly
# [11:01] <gfritzsche> ah, it says aurora in the image... try nightly please?
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# [11:03] <Gijs> gfritzsche: are we not fixing that on aurora? I've seen that bug before, IIRC margaret reported it.
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# [11:03] <Gijs> (assuming it's indeed fixed on nightly, anyway)
# [11:04] <gfritzsche> Gijs: yes, but it's not all on aurora yet
# [11:04] <gfritzsche> Gijs: the one margaret reported is up next for fixing, but we had similar issues already
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# [11:12] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/02d1544a3154 - Jon Coppeard - Bug 924864 - Make sure GenerateSetDenseElement calls post barrier on array length increase r=terrence
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# [11:25] <TheOne> gfritzsche: thanks for pointing me to the correct bug
# [11:25] <TheOne> do you still want me to test on nightly?
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# [11:27] <gfritzsche> TheOne: no need, thank you - i took a quick look at feedly and will use it to check that bug
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# [11:28] <TheOne> ok, if I can be of any help just let me know.
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# [11:30] <gfritzsche> ok :)
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# [12:06] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/772c99944a84 - David Burns - Bug 819050 - Marionette response containing JSON object with element details instead of raw ID; r=mdas
# [12:06] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/65d2859ad74a - David Burns - Bug 807282 - Update marionette command/response to match that of the WebDriver spec; r=mdas
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# [12:27] <Ms2ger> Today's best spam subject line: "TOP 10 REASONS WHY YOUR WEBSITE NEEDS A WEBSITE ! Call Us 5255 8500"
# [12:27] <mcsmurf> :D
# [12:27] <Gijs> hah
# [12:28] <Yoric> Mmmhh....
# [12:28] <Yoric> m-c not building
# [12:28] <Yoric> That doesn't sound good.
# [12:28] * Yoric will re-pull.
# [12:28] <mcsmurf> Yoric: which error you get?
# [12:29] <mcsmurf> I also got some error, I've clobbered now
# [12:29] <nigelb> Ms2ger: Heh, they didn't even link to a website. They need to call themselves :P
# [12:29] <Yoric> Something about JS_GetException in WorkerPrivate.cpp
# [12:29] <Yoric> After a clobber.
# [12:29] <mcsmurf> hm, not sure
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# [12:29] <mcsmurf> got another error iirc
# [12:29] <Yoric> mcsmurf: JS_GetPendingException, that is
# [12:29] <Ms2ger> Ask khuey :)
# [12:30] <Yoric> It seems I need to re-clobber.
# [12:31] <Yoric> Second clobber this morning.
# [12:31] <Yoric> Oh the fun.
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# [12:39] <darktrojan> is there any reason why a loaded image wouldn't be an instance of nsIImageLoadingContent?
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# [12:40] <jdm> darktrojan: do you mean an img element?
# [12:40] <darktrojan> yes
# [12:41] <jdm> I would expect that to always be the case
# [12:41] <darktrojan> I just worked out I can find out if something is an image/jpeg or not without doing all sorts of silly tests on the src
# [12:42] <darktrojan> it never occured to me before :/
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# [12:48] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/732e97da71d5 - Masatoshi Kimura - Bug 926580 - Kill unused layout.enable_japanese_specific_transform pref. r=roc
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# [12:55] <@smaug> Yoric: why do I see many "A coding exception was thrown in a Promise resolution callback." messages in the terminal during shutdown?
# [12:56] <@smaug> are those useful?
# [12:56] <Yoric> Probably.
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# [12:56] <Yoric> This probably used to be a silent error until we recently added warnings in case of Promise errors.
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# [12:57] <Yoric> Can you file a bug?
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# [12:57] <@smaug> k
# [12:58] <Yoric> (and Cc me)
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# [13:03] <Yoric> smaug: That's on Firefox for Linux?
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# [13:08] <@smaug> Yoric: yes
# [13:08] <Yoric> weird
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# [13:09] <@smaug> not sure if it happens always
# [13:10] <Yoric> Could you check out?
# [13:10] <Yoric> This would mean that some xpcom component that relies on nothing doesn't exist during shutdown.
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# [13:11] <@smaug> ok. compiling a debug build.
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# [13:13] <Yoric> Thanks.
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# [13:15] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/979ff52f1482 - Jan de Mooij - Bug 922118 - Fix FilterArguments to check for eval as well. r=bhackett
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# [13:35] <@smaug> gsvelto: if you could find a testcase for me, I'd be happy to prodile
# [13:35] <@smaug> profile even
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# [13:36] <@smaug> gsvelto: for me it would be easiest to find some testcase which can be hacked into http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/dom/ipc/test.xul
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# [13:40] <@smaug> hmm, is that working these days
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# [13:41] <@smaug> just had to enable remote tabs
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# [14:30] <nemo> one lovely side effect of https spreading since the NSA thing is my URL bar is no longer screwed up by trimurl ♥ ♥
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# [14:31] <gsvelto> smaug: Hi, sorry for the delay, I was having lunch
# [14:32] <gsvelto> smaug: We could reproduce vingtetun's case in a test environment and repeat it multiple times
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# [14:35] <@smaug> gsvelto: I uploaded a test
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# [14:36] <@smaug> not sure if that is even close to vingtetun's testcase
# [14:36] <@smaug> but in general we malloc/free too much
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# [14:38] <gsvelto> smaug: I see, I think that's something we might have some trouble getting rid of. The IPC layer is pretty thick but I hoped more time would be spent in system calls rather than in our code.
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# [14:39] <@smaug> gsvelto: well, "our code". Lots of the time is spent actually in chromium level
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# [14:39] <@smaug> gsvelto: isn't it better to spend time in our code. We can actually fix that :)
# [14:40] <@smaug> gsvelto: note, my testcase didn't pass any data, only message type
# [14:40] <gsvelto> smaug: Indeed :) Though I'm always wary of changing code we import such as Chromium IPC
# [14:40] <@smaug> creating structured clone might show up in the profiles
# [14:40] <froydnj> gsvelto: we have hacked on it so much already, a little more will not hurt
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# [14:40] <@smaug> (should we just get rid of chromium ipc?)
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# [14:41] <gsvelto> smaug: I'm not familiar with the innards of Firefox enough to comment on that :)
# [14:41] <froydnj> that would be a lot of work, aiui
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# [14:41] <gsvelto> smaug: ProcessLink::SendMessage() is creating a new runnable method for each call, maybe we could get rid of that
# [14:41] <@smaug> anyhow, some kind of Message/Pickle recycler might not be too bad
# [14:42] <@smaug> gsvelto: yeah.
# [14:42] <@smaug> gsvelto: but I think we need another profile still. Something which mimics what b2g is doing
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# [14:43] <gsvelto> smaug: Yep, though there's just 2 or 3 calls in the application bootstrap process and each of those does not transport much data AFAIR
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# [14:44] <gsvelto> smaug: I'm looking at the NewRunnableMethod constructors and they seem to be constructing more stuff in turn, we should try and see if we could get rid of it and if it makes a difference performance-wise
# [14:45] <gsvelto> smaug: http://dxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/ipc/chromium/src/base/task.h#l114
# [14:45] <gsvelto> smaug: I'll leave a comment on the bug about that
# [14:46] <@smaug> k
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# [14:46] <@smaug> oh, that looks very malloc heavy
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# [14:49] <@smaug> lunch
# [14:49] <gsvelto> smaug: k, catch you later
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# [15:01] <testman> Yo
# [15:02] <testman> Question: how much work would be needed to make adding custom search engines to search bar easier?
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# [15:03] <testman> in "Manage search engines", there is no option to add custom search engine.
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# [15:04] <testman> Only link to https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/search-tools/, which does not help at all if I want to add custom search engine
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# [15:05] <testman> How hard would it be to implement "add new" functionality among search engines?
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# [15:05] <jdm> testman: probably not that difficult
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# [15:06] <jdm> testman: for reference, here's the menu code: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/browser/components/search/content/search.xml#45
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# [15:06] <jdm> testman: and here's some relevant code as well: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/browser/components/search/content/search.xml#408
# [15:07] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> when you visit a site with a search engine like https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/ you can also add the search engine when you click the drop down arrow in the search engine field and there add buzilla@mozilla :)
# [15:08] <testman> I know, I used http://www.tobtu.com/customsearch.php to add Polish Google into search bar, but average computer user does not have knowladge to do that IMHO.
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# [15:08] <Ratty> They don't?
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# [15:09] <halfie> hi, is there a way to measure firefox's start-up time accurately? ... ideally in a script-friendly way.
# [15:10] <testman> Right click probably, but this code thing jdm posted, no. And yes, about that right click -> add search engine: I only see "Add a keyword for this search". Is that it? Is that what adds search engine to search bar?
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# [15:12] <testman> Because I taught that adds a "shortcut search", like Opera has. "g search query" would search Google for search query while "y search query" would search Yahoo. That is how I interpret "keyword" from right-click menu.
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# [15:12] <testman> jsut tested it and yes, that is exactly what it does
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# [15:14] <testman> I do not have menu option Tomcat|sheriffduty mentioned.
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# [15:14] <testman> Using latest nightly UX
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# [15:14] <testman> Please look into that issue.
# [15:15] <jdm> testman: that exists on sites that have opensearch links
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# [15:15] <jdm> such as bugzilla.mozilla.org
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# [15:15] <testman> let me screenshot what I see for you
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# [15:16] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/search-bar-easily-choose-your-search-engine#w_while-visiting-a-website is what i meant
# [15:16] <mcsmurf> halfie: I think there's some automated talos test for startup performance ...
# [15:16] <mcsmurf> actually...no there's not
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# [15:17] <testman> http://shrani.si/f/G/bq/28KlV0bI/search.png
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# [15:17] <testman> Latest Nightly UX, this is my right click menu
# [15:17] <mcsmurf> I wonder why, wasnt there a startup test in the past?
# [15:18] <testman> no "add search engine" option anywhere.
# [15:18] <testman> Only this keyword thing that does what I described before.
# [15:18] <jdm> testman: it's not in the right click menu; it's the dropdown that contains the same Manage Search Engines option
# [15:19] <mcsmurf> halfie: so how complicated should the startup test be? ;)
# [15:19] <testman> Oh, now I see.
# [15:19] <Gijs> mcsmurf: there is a startup test in talos...
# [15:19] <Gijs> mcsmurf: it's called ts_paint
# [15:19] <Gijs> mcsmurf: what makes you think there isn't?
# [15:19] <halfie> mcsmurf, some accurate but not too complicated. I want to work with existing builds (in Fedora).
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# [15:20] <mcsmurf> Gijs: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Mozilla/QA/Automated_testing#talos
# [15:20] <mcsmurf> "Mobile only [...] ts: Tests the startup time of Firefox by opening the browser 20 times."
# [15:20] <mcsmurf> guess that page is not that accurate
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# [15:21] <testman> Just one last thing about custom search engine: Google does not use opensearch. Google in ANY language cannot be added as custom search.
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# [15:21] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> mcsmurf: hm maybe jmaher might know if there is a test
# [15:21] <mcsmurf> https://wiki.mozilla.org/Buildbot/Talos#Talos_Tests is better
# [15:21] <mcsmurf> looks like
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# [15:22] <halfie> so I can run this on my Desktop without building anything? seems fishy :D
# [15:22] <Gijs> mcsmurf: it's under 'other' on desktop.
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# [15:23] <Gijs> halfie: yes, you can, although getting the talos repo and running that may be tricky depending on your familiarity with the tools it uses (virtualenv, IIRC)
# [15:23] <mcsmurf> halfie: Mozilla uses for performance testing talos, https://wiki.mozilla.org/Buildbot/Talos/Running#Running_locally_-_Source_Code describes how it should work..
# [15:23] <mcsmurf> but then, I've never tried this myself
# [15:23] * Gijs has
# [15:23] <mcsmurf> so no idea how complicated this will be in the end
# [15:23] <halfie> Gijs, mchen thanks! I will give it a try.
# [15:23] <Gijs> it's not super trivial, but it's not terribly complicated.
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# [15:24] <halfie> I am familiar with Python development.
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# [15:36] <jmaher> halfie: feel free to ping me if you have talos questions- I am always working towards making it easier to run, even if it is just updating docs
# [15:37] <halfie> jmaher, will do. thanks! .. we (in Fedora) are trying to measure the benefits of prelink in case of firefox.
# [15:37] <jmaher> halfie: cool- that should be doable
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# [15:38] <sheppy> jmaher: Yay for updating docs!
# [15:38] <jmaher> sheppy: it is a never ending process, but they are tons better every quarter
# [15:38] <sheppy> jmaher: I know what you mean
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# [15:44] <@bsmedberg> glandium: holy crap, what is pymake doing wrong in make check?
# [15:45] <glandium> bsmedberg: i seriously don't know
# [15:45] <glandium> i don't even know what we're doing in make check that could explain that
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# [15:46] <glandium> bsmedberg: i don't even understand how it can vary so much between debug and non debug
# [15:46] <glandium> s/non debug/opt/
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# [15:50] <@bsmedberg> Waldo: yt?
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# [15:53] <Waldo> bsmedberg: yes
# [15:53] <Waldo> bsmedberg: and for what it's worth (not much), you're crazy to suggest blocking workers for the web :-P
# [15:53] <@bsmedberg> Waldo: it appears we aren't excluding any of the ICU data currently (we #define away some code). What newsgroup do you want me to list the data and ask about whether we need it?
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# [15:56] <Waldo> bsmedberg: either m.d.platform or m.d.t.js-engine.internals is fine, seems to me
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# [15:56] * Waldo kind of doubts the set of Intl-savvy people is particularly greater in any newsgroup than in any other
# [15:57] <@bsmedberg> heh
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# [15:58] <@bsmedberg> it turns out that "the name of every currency and every time zone in every known language" is very large
# [15:59] <Pike> :-)
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# [16:00] <glandium> bsmedberg: icu?
# [16:00] <@bsmedberg> yes
# [16:00] <glandium> bsmedberg: there are 3MB for linebreak data
# [16:00] <glandium> which, we already have elsewhere
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# [16:01] <Pike> also, which we may be able to remove on our side if icu is stabily building
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# [16:02] <froydnj> glandium: holy cow, those are some differences for pymake
# [16:02] <glandium> bsmedberg: btw, reading the link i gave you, it's possible to build the icu data as data file as opposed to shared lib, which would allow to have only one copy on mac
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# [16:07] <Waldo> bsmedberg: Intl.DateTimeFormat lets you format dates and times targeting lots of locales, to produce strings containing all those time zones; likewise for currencies; do you want to be in the business of deciding that zh-TW support isn't important enough to ship? 'cause, um, that seems crazy to me :-)
# [16:07] <@bsmedberg> Waldo: no, I want to be in the position that none of that is worth shipping ;-)
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# [16:07] <@bsmedberg> that probably sorting has to be built into the platform
# [16:07] <@bsmedberg> "collation" in ICU-speak
# [16:08] <Waldo> bsmedberg: I'll get right on proposing that we remove Intl.DateTimeFormat from ECMA-402 2nd ed., then
# [16:08] <@bsmedberg> I'll have to look at the API to understand, where's the spec?
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# [16:09] <Waldo> bsmedberg: http://wiki.ecmascript.org/doku.php?id=globalization:specification_drafts
# [16:09] <Waldo> bsmedberg: also Intl.NumberFormat, for the currency formatting stuff
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# [16:10] <Swatinem> edmorley|sheriffduty: hope you enjoy the improvements
# [16:10] <Swatinem> edmorley|sheriffduty: another bugzilla question:
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# [16:11] <Waldo> bsmedberg: also Norbert documented the two on MDN, so https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/JavaScript/Reference/Global_Objects/DateTimeFormat and https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/JavaScript/Reference/Global_Objects/NumberFormat
# [16:11] <Swatinem> edmorley|sheriffduty: is there a way to avoid bugspam when you do deployment and mass-depend and then mass-solve those bugs?
# [16:11] <edmorley|sheriffduty> Swatinem: definitely :-) https://wiki.mozilla.org/WeeklyUpdates/2013-10-14#Friends_of_the_Tree_Friends_of_the_Tree
# [16:11] * Waldo notes he hasn't looked at the MDN docs to assess quality or helpfulness, but he has no reason to assume they're not fine if you know what you want, or something, ish
# [16:11] <sheppy> Waldo: wow, that's optimistic of you :)
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# [16:12] <Waldo> sheppy: well, to be honest this i18n stuff I really only learned to rough extents to review the patches, so I may not even be able to comment sensibly on them all that much
# [16:12] <sheppy> Waldo: gotcha
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# [16:13] <Waldo> sheppy: but as far as API documentation goes, Norbert is likelier to do a better job for this stuff on it than anyone else is, by dint of domain expertise
# [16:13] <edmorley|sheriffduty> Swatinem: for those particularly bugs, probably not, given you are the assignee; but for the general case, I guess you could adjust your component watching settings so that you only get bugmails for newly filed bugs and not status changes
# [16:13] <edmorley|sheriffduty> Swatinem: or switch to daily bug whines showing "all bugs filed/resolved that day"
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# [16:14] <froydnj> Swatinem: thanks for looking into the message usage bits!
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# [16:15] <Swatinem> memory you mean?
# [16:16] <froydnj> indeed =/
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# [16:19] <Swatinem> yup, my pleasure :-) the changes i made thereafter should also hopefully avoid a lot of churn and pressure on the GC
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# [16:28] <Swatinem> edmorley|sheriffduty: just looked at my assigned bugs, are bug 611211 and bug 594415 still relevant?
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# [16:29] <edmorley|sheriffduty> Swatinem: looking
# [16:30] <edmorley|sheriffduty> Swatinem: 594415 no
# [16:30] <edmorley|sheriffduty> Swatinem: 611211 not sure, would like android equiv though :-)
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# [16:30] <edmorley|sheriffduty> Swatinem: but probably not worth spending too long over it :-)
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# [16:31] <Swatinem> edmorley|sheriffduty: basic viewing and navigating does work on android for me, like we discussed on vidyo some time ago, i don’t think that the current ui is of much use on mobile
# [16:32] <Swatinem> edmorley|sheriffduty: so please close / unassign me if you feel those bugs are not relevant any more
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# [16:42] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/cba664ebefdc - David Burns - Bug 759485: Add submit to HTMLElement on Marionette to submit forms without click() or send_keys(); r=mdas
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# [16:49] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/01cb360b412b - Daniel Holbert - Bug 926799: Move some new webrtc-specific webidl files to the webrtc-specific section in their moz.build file. r=jesup
# [16:50] <edmorley|sheriffduty> gps: for bug 925605, multiprocessing.cpu_count() gives the number of hyperthreaded cores, so I end up with -j 10 on my i7, is this intentional?
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# [16:51] <gps> edmorley|sheriffduty: yes
# [16:51] <edmorley|sheriffduty> gps: I've lost track of whether it's 2 x real or hyperthreaded
# [16:51] <edmorley|sheriffduty> cool, ok
# [16:51] <kats> gps: have you considered throwing a phabricator instance up on paas.allizom.org?
# [16:51] <edmorley|sheriffduty> (...that was previously recommended)
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# [16:52] <gps> kats: deploying complex things on paas is hard. i failed to deploy simpler services on paas and didn't even attempt phabricator
# [16:53] <gps> kats: plus the resource limits on paas are too low for phabricator to import mozilla-central
# [16:53] <kats> gps: ah ok. i haven't tried deploying anything there so i wasn't aware of the limitations
# [16:53] <gps> i need 4+ GB of RAM and a few GB in the database
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# [16:54] <gcp> what is paas?
# [16:54] <gps> ec2 for mozilla
# [16:54] <gcp> docs? wiki?
# [16:54] <Ms2ger> Pain as a service
# [16:54] <gps> https://wiki.mozilla.org/Paas_Apps
# [16:54] <gcp> Ms2ger: yes mistress
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# [17:08] <@bsmedberg> Waldo: what version of ICU do we have right now?
# [17:09] <Waldo> bsmedberg: looks like release-50-1-2, but I want to update to latest tip before uplift, else I'll disable before uplift (don't want to ship out-of-date due to security and all)
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# [17:22] <h4writer> I'm trying to figure out which platform "B2G ICS Emulator Opt" runs on? I have a mochitest on there, but I want to know if this is x86 or arm?
# [17:23] <froydnj> h4writer: pretty sure it's arm
# [17:23] <h4writer> edmorley|sheriffduty, ^^ (do you have an idea?)
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# [17:23] <h4writer> froydnj, oh and how certain are you :P
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# [17:24] <h4writer> froydnj, that's good to know, since I've been trying to reproduce this on x86, what would of course fail if that is true ;)
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# [17:24] <froydnj> h4writer: considering we're not even running android x86 tests "for real" yet (and those are on an emulator)...pretty sure
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# [17:24] <h4writer> froydnj, thanks!
# [17:24] <froydnj> h4writer: guessing that we wouldn't be running b2g tests on x86 emulator if we're not running android tests
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# [17:26] <edmorley|sheriffduty> h4writer: the emulator runs on a ubuntu64 amazon EC2 instance
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# [17:27] <WeirdAl> Hi all - is there a JS-based proxy whereby if a method doesn't exist that the caller wants to invoke, it just returns? (Thinking about C++ code that wants JS code to implement every method "or else")
# [17:28] <edmorley|sheriffduty> h4writer: I'm struggling to find more info on the emulator, but my understanding is that it's a custom version of the android arm emulator
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# [17:29] <RyanVM> h4writer: yes, it's running in an ARM emulator on an x86 ec2 machine :)
# [17:29] <RyanVM> qemu
# [17:29] <RyanVM> iirc
# [17:29] <h4writer> edmorley|sheriffduty, RyanVM changing my plan of attack in that case :D, thanks
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# [17:31] <NeilAway> WeirdAl: proxy? So not __noSuchMethod__ then?
# [17:31] <WeirdAl> that'd work too, if I was more familiar with it :)
# [17:32] <glob> just about to do an emergency bugzilla update; you may experience some discomfort :(
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# [17:32] <Waldo> don't get familiar! it's bad, we want to kill it
# [17:32] <froydnj> ./seatbelt
# [17:32] <WeirdAl> Waldo: ok
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# [17:36] <WeirdAl> (hang bug)
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# [17:42] <glob> Standard8, ping
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# [17:43] <Standard8> glob: pong
# [17:43] <glob> Standard8, hi! can you try setting a tracking/status flag now?
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# [17:45] <Standard8> glob: yeah that seems better, thanks!
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# [17:56] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/7d0c0b0b8913 - Ehsan Akhgari - Bug 924014 - Do not rely on std::numeric_limits<char16_t> being available; r=Waldo
# [17:56] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/ce463593acc6 - Ehsan Akhgari - Bug 924011 - Do not assume that PRUnichar and UChar are the same type; r=Waldo
# [17:57] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/9b752936ade2 - Ehsan Akhgari - Bug 924012 - Provide a HashString version for char16_t if needed; r=Waldo
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# [18:09] <@bsmedberg> Waldo: ok, "Cost of ICU data" posted to dev-platform. Mucking about in objdirs got me pretty good breakdowns, eventually.
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# [18:33] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> froydnj: Try seems to be liking your telemetry patch so far - https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=eeb9a6e52988 - though I have no idea many retriggers are really sufficient to confirm a fix
# [18:33] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> froydnj: and yes, it was wishful thinking that it would also fix the Win7 Ru failures too
# [18:33] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> :(
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# [18:33] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> froydnj: can't blame me for trying though :)
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# [18:35] <froydnj> RyanVM|sheriffduty: darn =/
# [18:35] <froydnj> RyanVM|sheriffduty: that's a lot of retriggers
# [18:35] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> froydnj: go figure, and we just hit it
# [18:36] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> so yeah, doesn't seem to fix it
# [18:36] <@gavin> RyanVM|sheriffduty: have anything queued up for beta?
# [18:36] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> gavin: no, why?
# [18:36] <@gavin> RyanVM|sheriffduty: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=900910#attach_815991 is checkin-needed
# [18:36] <@smaug> so why does the parent process crash if child crashes
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# [18:36] <@gavin> I was going to push it
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# [18:37] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> gavin: sorry, the release tracking queries have been broken since the weekend bmo maintenance and mine only look for resolved bugs
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# [18:38] <jdm> smaug: it's not supposed to, fwiw
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# [18:40] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> froydnj: nothing useful in the screenshot either (looks like it was taken after the process had already been closed)
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# [18:42] <gregglind_travel> gps, or others, what's the simplest way of 'force triggering' an FHR upload? I tried setting the nextSubmission date, then `policy.checkStateAndTrigger`
# [18:42] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/6006e21fe7c8 - Steven MacLeod - Back out changeset 1e1f3cd07479 (Bug 898308) as part of handling regressions in Bug 900910; r=gavin, r=dao, a=akeybl, ba=gavin
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# [18:43] <Waldo> bsmedberg: having it as a separate .dat file isn't going to make the no-I/O-on-main-thread people happy, I suspect
# [18:43] <Waldo> unless I'm missing something
# [18:43] <@bsmedberg> Waldo: it's certainly no different than what we're doing now...
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# [18:44] <@bsmedberg> if you mmap it in, it's basically the same as a data symbol
# [18:44] <gps> gregglind_travel: search for "nextDataSubmissionTime" on https://wiki.mozilla.org/QA/Desktop_Firefox/Firefox_Health_Report
# [18:44] <Waldo> bsmedberg: er, I thought the data was compiled into C++ symbols -- am I wrong?
# [18:44] <@bsmedberg> Waldo: currently it is, yeah, which is the equivalent of mmap
# [18:45] <Waldo> bsmedberg: well, the point is no jank when someone eventually does something that needs Intl
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# [18:45] <Waldo> unless I'm still misunderstanding
# [18:45] <@bsmedberg> we can do it at startup, if that's somehow better...
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# [18:45] <Waldo> mccr8: I have some trying in progress not recorded in the bug yet, fwiw
# [18:46] <gregglind_travel> thanks gps
# [18:46] <Waldo> mccr8: (mostly failing :-) )
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# [18:46] <mccr8> Waldo: ah, fun...
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# [18:47] <Waldo> well, it's seemingly not so bad now, stupid stuff like the header having to be C-ish and my brain not working in that world in this enlightened jsapi.h-is-C++ day
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# [18:47] <Waldo> although, I haven't gotten any feedback on the non-js/src parts yet, so
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# [18:51] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> froydnj: the lack of stacks on timeouts has been killing us lately
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# [18:52] <froydnj> RyanVM|sheriffduty: js or c++ or both?
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# [18:53] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> c++ is what I was thinking
# [18:53] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> but js would be nice too :)
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# [18:54] <froydnj> RyanVM|sheriffduty: this a regression, or just "we've never had this and dammit it would be hella nice to have"?
# [18:55] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> regression I believe
# [18:55] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> some ateamers are looking into it
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# [19:05] <jorendorff> what's the name of the project to emulate every 8-bit machine ever (and quite a few others) in JS?
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# [19:05] <jorendorff> JSMESS
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# [19:12] <hub> jorendorff: jsmess.textfiles.com
# [19:13] <jorendorff> no KIM-1, looks like
# [19:13] <Waldo> nine-bit haters
# [19:13] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/584dbfb67083 - Aryeh Gregor - Bug 891904 - Un-schedule full spell check when checker is disabled; r=ehsan,a=Standard8 for checkin on Thunderbird specific branch. DONTBUILD
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# [19:49] <ted> jorendorff: one of my friends is working on JSMESS if you have more than a passing interest
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# [19:51] <tbsaunde> bsmedberg: nsDependentAtomString(someAtom).get() should never be null right?
# [19:51] <cabanier> to make a custom preference that shows up in about:config, all I need to do is add it to all.js, right?
# [19:52] <Ms2ger> I believe so
# [19:52] <@bsmedberg> tbsaunde: I don't think so, although I didn't know nsDependentAtomString existed
# [19:52] <cabanier> this seems to work on all platforms
# [19:52] <cabanier> except windows
# [19:52] <Ms2ger> tbsaunde, why not use GetUTF16String(), though?
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# [19:53] <tbsaunde> bsmedberg: hm, when wouldn't it be?
# [19:53] <@bsmedberg> wouldn't it be what?
# [19:53] <tbsaunde> Ms2ger: you need a nsAString from the atom anywway?
# [19:53] <Ms2ger> tbsaunde, mm, fair
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# [19:53] <tbsaunde> bsmedberg: when would that return null is what I'm asking
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# [19:54] <@bsmedberg> I don't think it should
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# [19:54] <tbsaunde> bsmedberg: oh, I thought you were saying it could
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# [19:55] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/cf0e16799122 - Narihiro Nakamura - Bug 899477 - Remove unused COMPONENT_DIRECTORY macro. r=bsmedberg
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# [19:55] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/fce96290655d - Bob Owen - Bug 766282 - Implement allow-popups directive for iframe sandbox. r=smaug
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# [19:55] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/ce633177b0d6 - Michael Harrison - Bug 926744 - Remove some unused code in nsGeolocation.cpp. r=jdm
# [19:55] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/639936b37901 - Andy Wingo - Bug 923160 - Disallow initializers in for-of statements. r=jorendorff
# [19:55] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/12f30ee31b2e - Bob Owen - Bug 766282 - Tests for allow-popups directive for iframe sandbox. r=smaug
# [19:55] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/9767cf9a0150 - Simone Carletti - Bug 910651 - Add newly-minted gTLDs (from July to September 2013) to the PSL. r=gerv
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# [19:55] <cabanier> RyanVM|sheriffduty: ping
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# [19:56] <tbsaunde> bsmedberg: ted I don't suppose there's a way I can get a better stack than what crash stats shows without downloading a dump and dealing with msvc?
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# [19:58] <ted> tbsaunde: not really, no
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# [19:58] <@smaug> fabrice: I hope you're ok reviewing that small patch
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# [20:00] <fabrice> smaug: sure
# [20:00] <tbsaunde> ted: after I get my windows vm going sure
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# [20:00] <cabanier> RyanVM|sheriffduty: it seems the try https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=e201b4c3f971 failed because the preferences are not updates on those platforms
# [20:00] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> cabanier: that's annoying
# [20:00] <cabanier> s/updates/updated
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# [20:01] <cabanier> RyanVM|sheriffduty: yes. should I create a bug and assign it to someone?
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# [20:01] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> cabanier: if you want your patch to land, yes :) :P
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# [20:01] <cabanier> RyanVM|sheriffduty: :-) who should I assign it to?
# [20:02] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> I would CC dbaron and go from there
# [20:02] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> Testing::Reftest for component
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# [20:05] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/95b04871f4ae - Tom Schuster - Bug 921343 - Avoid removing selections done by the user when closing the findbar. r=mikedeboer
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# [20:12] <NeilAway> tbsaunde: get() can only return null from adopting and xpidl strings
# [20:13] <tbsaunde> NeilAway: interesting, I can't imagine how this can possibly crash if get() is returning non null
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# [20:14] <@smaug> bsmedberg: so the problem with IPDL and string case is that we get dependentstring or some such from binding layer, not nsString
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# [20:15] <@bsmedberg> smaug: yes, but it doesn't matter
# [20:15] <@smaug> there is no nsStringBuffer or anything, but we end up allocation contents for the new string
# [20:15] <@bsmedberg> it has to be converted to a nsString anyway, because we have to save it in the Message
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# [20:17] <@smaug> bsmedberg: hmm, right. but do we actually allocate again when we create the Message
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# [20:17] <@smaug> I assume so.
# [20:17] <@smaug> we don't adopt the data from the string
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# [20:18] <@bsmedberg> smaug: "again"? nsStrings are shared after you have one
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# [20:19] <@smaug> bsmedberg: so we have nsString as a member of Message?
# [20:20] <@bsmedberg> oh hrm, I'm not sure where it's constructed
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# [20:27] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/875ab904cc99 - Andrew Halberstadt - Bug 926607 - Make sure disabled category exists before dumping commands in it, r=jgriffin, DONTBUILD, a=NPOTB
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# [20:29] <WeirdAl> We have crashtests, but do we have hangtests? :) What'd be a good way to write tests for application hangs? (xpcshell tests have a timeout after 5 minutes, I've found.)
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# [20:31] <gcp> didn't jchen write some detection stuff for it?
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# [20:32] <@smaug> bsmedberg: so we end up calling generated PBrowserChild::SendAsyncMessage which then calls Write which leads to Pickle::WriteBytes
# [20:33] <jchen> gcp: yeah working on hang detection. not tests though
# [20:33] <@bsmedberg> smaug: oh, so we pickle the string on the main thread, before it gets to the I/O thread
# [20:33] <@bsmedberg> I forgot about that
# [20:33] <WeirdAl> jchen: if you want a good testcase, I've got one :)
# [20:33] <@bsmedberg> smaug: yeah, then we should fix this!
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# [20:33] <gcp> jchen: well, I think he wants to detect it during his tests....
# [20:33] <mrbkap> What does "tracking-firefox-esr24: 25+" mean?
# [20:34] <WeirdAl> jchen, gcp: bug 926774, I diagnosed it last night, but we've probably had that hang for years
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# [20:34] <gcp> mbrubeck: will get in esr near firefox 25 release,. so esr 24.0.1 I guess
# [20:34] <gcp> whoops
# [20:35] <gcp> mrbkap: ^^^
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# [20:35] <jchen> WeirdAl: thanks! looks interesting
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# [20:35] <WeirdAl> jchen: as I said, if you have a better framework, I'd like to know. (But I'd also be happy being able to specify a ten-second timeout in xpcshell.ini
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# [20:36] <mrbkap> gcp: Okay, and I should also be requesting approval for my patch for esr24?
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# [20:36] <gcp> mrbkap: if that flag is set you want to do that yeah
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# [20:38] <stefanh_netbook> spohl: re bug 926294, enough to use "-moz-appearance: none;", no?
# [20:38] <jchen> WeirdAl: so i'm working on hang telemetry rather than hang testing. i think in mochitests you can change the timeout, but i don't know about xpcshell tests.
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# [20:38] <WeirdAl> jchen - ah, ok
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# [20:39] <ted> if it's just a pref then you should be able to easily set that in xpcshell
# [20:39] <spohl> stefanh_netbook: unfortunately not. let me find the bug number for that...
# [20:40] <WeirdAl> ted - I think it's a hardcoded constant in runxpcshelltests.py
# [20:40] <stefanh_netbook> spohl: thanks, figured it was harder than that
# [20:40] <WeirdAl> ted: yeah, HARNESS_TIMEOUT
# [20:40] <ted> well
# [20:41] <ted> you don't really want your test to run for >5 mins anyway
# [20:41] <ted> that would be A Bad Thing
# [20:41] <WeirdAl> in this particular case, especially not - 5 seconds would be enough
# [20:41] <@smaug> now I feel dumb. I don't understand the generated ipc code
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# [20:41] <@smaug> auto Foo::Bar() -> bool { method body }
# [20:41] <froydnj> smaug: Bar returns bool
# [20:41] <@smaug> what is that -> bool
# [20:42] <@smaug> why not bool Foo::Bar() {}
# [20:42] <froydnj> smaug: welcome to a new method declaration syntax!
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# [20:42] <froydnj> smaug: because sometimes you have class Foo { typedef mozilla::dom::Baz Baz; ... }
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# [20:42] <froydnj> smaug: and Baz Foo::Bar() {...} doesn't work
# [20:43] <@smaug> but auto Foo::Bar() -> Baz does?
# [20:43] <froydnj> smaug: yes, because Baz is then looked up in the scope of Foo (it's not in Baz Foo::Bar() {...})
# [20:43] <@smaug> oh dear. silly language
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# [20:43] <froydnj> we should just switch to python :)
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# [20:44] <@smaug> well, switching for silly to horrible language isn't quite right
# [20:44] <@smaug> s/for/from/
# [20:44] <froydnj> =/
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# [20:44] <froydnj> the name lookup thing actually makes a good deal of sense
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# [20:45] <seth> any known problem with MOZ_ENUM_TYPE on windows?
# [20:45] <seth> i'm getting compilation failures on try from code that uses it
# [20:45] <froydnj> frustrating when you encounter it, but makes sense in hindsight nonetheless
# [20:46] <spohl> stefanh_netbook: I guess what he's asking is more along the lines of bug 77790, and there's some more info in bug 891136 comment 6 w.r.t. OSX scrollbars
# [20:47] <stefanh_netbook> spohl: thanks, I'll add a comment in the bug
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# [20:51] <spohl> stefanh_netbook: thanks!
# [20:51] <stefanh_netbook> spohl: hey, np
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# [20:55] <seth> oh ffs
# [20:56] <seth> the header which is giving me problems uses #pragma once, which quite possibly does not work right on windows since we copy the files into dist rather than linking them...
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# [20:58] <stefanh_netbook> spohl: my comment was probably quite lame... oh, well
# [20:59] <spohl> stefanh_netbook: I'd call it spot on and succinct. :-)
# [20:59] <stefanh_netbook> spohl: heh, ok :-)
# [20:59] <spohl> stefanh_netbook: I'll add a comment too, because I've been looking at his plugin as well. thanks for the heads up. I was unaware of this bug.
# [20:59] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/5907769bfe89 - Aaron Klotz - Bug 921330: Fix sync unwind on Mac OS X. r=BenWa
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# [20:59] <stefanh_netbook> spohl: np
# [21:00] <stefanh_netbook> spohl: I just drove by ;-)
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# [21:03] <@smaug> do we have a string class which acts as nsString but doesn't own the data
# [21:04] <@smaug> hmm, or could dependent string work
# [21:04] <mwu> nsDependentString
# [21:04] <@smaug> it just misses a nice ctor
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# [21:06] <tbsaunde> smaug: sounds fixable ;)
# [21:06] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/51170e07d7e9 - Aaron Klotz - Bug 899782: Enable NS_StackWalk for obtaining sync stacks in profiler. r=BenWa
# [21:07] <philor> RyanVM|sheriffduty: oh, look, a 10.7 test_browserElement_oop_CloseFromOpener.html timeout on fx-team
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# [21:08] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/489e596e0359 - Ehsan Akhgari - Bug 924107 - Make dist/include available in all of the WebRTC code; r=jesup,glandium
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# [21:14] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> philor: and aurora!
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# [21:14] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> gah wrong, tab
# [21:14] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> nvm me
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# [21:16] <philor> yeah, I've had surprises by keeping them at the same end of the row, too
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# [21:17] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> philor: I'm thinking it's tree closing time
# [21:17] <@ehsan> jwatt: ping
# [21:17] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> but I also have no idea what could be causing this to suddenly start happening
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# [21:18] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> philor: unless it's all iCal's fault :P
# [21:19] <vlad> damnit. I set up S/MIME in bugzilla but it doesn't work in any of my email clients
# [21:19] <vlad> but now the secure bug emails I get don't have links
# [21:19] * philor loads up the screenshot, waves to iCal
# [21:19] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> philor: mmm, and fx-team horkage on top of it all
# [21:19] <@ehsan> vlad: it works fine in Thunderbird for me
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# [21:20] <vlad> really? which version?
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# [21:21] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> philor: going to start by backing out 03d629375717 on fx-team
# [21:21] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> for entertainment, look at his last try link
# [21:21] <@ehsan> vlad: 24
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# [21:21] <vlad> hmm
# [21:21] <@ehsan> vlad: have you imported your certificate in thunderbird?
# [21:21] <vlad> yeah
# [21:22] <vlad> trying again on this other tbird install
# [21:22] <@ehsan> it should be listed under "Your Certificates"
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# [21:22] <vlad> yeah I have it
# [21:22] <vlad> yeterday thunderbird was displaying a message saying "even though you have a valid certificate for this message, we couldn't decrypt it"
# [21:22] <@ehsan> o_O
# [21:22] <vlad> yeah.
# [21:22] <philor> RyanVM|sheriffduty: but look at all the resources that saved!
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# [21:23] <@ehsan> vlad: I've had this set up since a long time ago, iirc before thunderbird 17 even
# [21:23] <vlad> but maybe I was running a nightly of tbird or something
# [21:23] <vlad> trying with 24
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# [21:23] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> philor: that's twice today I've running into people setting checkin-needed without actually verifying that their posted Try link was actually OK
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# [21:25] <vlad> ehsan: yup, same problem
# [21:25] <vlad> > The sender encrypted this message to you using one of your digital certificates, however Thunderbird was not able to find this certificate and corresponding private key.
# [21:25] <vlad> I guess that's different than what I said earlier
# [21:25] <@ehsan> vlad: that's very surprising, how did you import your cert?
# [21:26] <vlad> I wonder if I have the wrong cert in bugzilla
# [21:26] <@ehsan> probably :)
# [21:26] <vlad> I pasted the entire .pem, including the chain
# [21:26] <@ehsan> that's pretty much what that message says!
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# [21:26] <philor> RyanVM|sheriffduty: oh, I missed the "unbitrotted, try push that shows complete bustage" one, I was looking at the "fix b2g without testing for whether that fix breaks non-b2g" one
# [21:27] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> heh
# [21:27] <vlad> ehsan: well, except I do have the cert in there
# [21:27] <vlad> and it does say "using one of your digital certificates"
# [21:27] <vlad> I mean I only have one
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# [21:27] <vlad> but as soon as thunderbird comes back to life I think I know what's going on
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# [21:28] <@ehsan> hmm
# [21:28] <@ehsan> vlad: try encrypting a message with that cert in thunderbird and then send it to yourself maybe?
# [21:30] <vlad> Downloading 266 of 13854 in Inbox
# [21:30] <vlad> sigh, bad thunderbird
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# [21:30] <@ehsan> yes, I can confirm *that* problem!~
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# [21:31] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> philor: i triggered a bunch of runs on aurora tip to see if it affects !trunk
# [21:31] <gcp> ehsan: for bug 927044, please reopen if you don't disagree with my comment :P
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# [21:31] <vlad> ah ha! there we go, got secure mail stuff going
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# [21:32] <vlad> ehsan: I pasted the full PEM file, which had 3 certs in a chain... bugzilla must have just used the first one it found, which was the comodo one
# [21:32] <vlad> not my specific one
# [21:32] <vlad> deleting all but my specific one worked. not unsurprising, but still.
# [21:33] <@ehsan> gcp: you're right, thanks for correcting me!
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# [21:33] <@ehsan> ah
# [21:33] <@ehsan> vlad: I would say that pasting the full cert chain _should_ have worked
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# [21:33] <@ehsan> but I'm no expert here
# [21:33] <vlad> yeah
# [21:34] <vlad> though I suppose it might have no way of knowing
# [21:34] <vlad> since all it sees is 3 public keys
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# [21:48] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> philor: inbound's green on the next push
# [21:48] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> good times
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# [21:48] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> philor: i did force clobber that push
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# [21:52] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> philor: and aurora's green
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# [21:58] <jld> Whee, writing yet another "you should approve this for uplift because it's important, but it's low risk because it's not important". d-:
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# [21:58] <jld> Or, I mean, trying to write the request *without* it sounding like that.
# [21:58] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> heh
# [21:59] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> OMG SUPER IMPORTANT and OMG SUPER TRIVIAL is what you want
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# [21:59] <KWierso> "test only, please approve"
# [21:59] <jcranmer> trivially important
# [21:59] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> jld: basically, frame it like you're an idiot for that bug ever existing in the first place :P
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# [22:00] <nemo> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6553794 heh. man. missed this one. drama.
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# [22:06] <jwatt> ehsan: pong - but I've figured it out now
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# [22:06] <@ehsan> jwatt: good, sorry I left you stranded!
# [22:07] <jwatt> ehsan: no probs, thanks :)
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# [22:07] <nemo> heh. azakai has been busy on that thread. wow
# [22:07] <nemo> me, I'm still waiting for 64bit asm.js :-p
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# [22:16] <vlad> ehsan: neat, with latest m-c and hacky, we are actually clean after an initial build
# [22:16] <vlad> the a11y goop got fixed
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# [22:17] <@ehsan> \o/
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# [22:17] <mcsmurf> btw: Currently building with --disable-optimize is broken
# [22:17] <mcsmurf> just in case anyone does that sometimes :o
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# [22:18] <Callek> mcsmurf: --enable-debug/--disable-optimize too, or --disable-debug//--disable-optimize
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# [22:18] <Callek> and what platform
# [22:18] <vlad> so does --enable/disable-debug actually do anything any more?
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# [22:19] <Callek> iirc it makes MOZ_ASSERT flake out, if nothing else
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# [22:19] <@ehsan> jwatt: are you trying to use icu in xul.dll?
# [22:19] <vlad> where is it defined? I can't find any AC_ARG_ENABLE(debug... or DISABLE in configure.in
# [22:19] <Callek> amid likely some debug-only instrumentation code
# [22:19] <jwatt> ehsan: yeah...well, will be
# [22:19] <mcsmurf> "Building with a mozconfig file that has --disable-optimize but not --enable-debug fails with this error:"
# [22:20] <vlad> ah there it is
# [22:20] <vlad> compiler-opts.m4, ok
# [22:20] <mcsmurf> on Windows only
# [22:20] <@ehsan> jwatt: bad news, you can't do that yet
# [22:20] <mcsmurf> (Bug 899948)
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# [22:20] <@ehsan> jwatt: see https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=922912
# [22:20] <@ehsan> rm, sorry
# [22:20] <@ehsan> jwatt: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=915735
# [22:21] <mcsmurf> oh...
# [22:21] <jwatt> ehsan: thanks
# [22:21] <mcsmurf> that bug looks like it might fix the disable-optimize bug?
# [22:21] <@ehsan> jwatt: feel free to help there, I sure could use some :)
# [22:21] <mcsmurf> since this is also about ICU
# [22:21] <mcsmurf> see Bug 899948 Comment 3
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# [22:22] <mcsmurf> oh, no..
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# [22:25] <jwatt> ehsan: it's likely going to be a few weeks before I get to the stage of wanting that
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# [22:26] <RyanVM> I have a css question
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# [22:26] <RyanVM> the point of using ems is to tie a size to the font, right?
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# [22:26] <mbrubeck> RyanVM: Yeah, or more precisely to tie it to the font-size
# [22:26] <RyanVM> assuming that's right, why would a width specified in ems be OK on my computer and not someone else's?
# [22:27] <mbrubeck> depends what you mean by "ok" ... maybe they have a different default font in their preferences?
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# [22:28] <RyanVM> mbrubeck: I thought ems solved that exact problem
# [22:28] <mcsmurf> ehsan: should the platform field on Bug 915735 be changed to Windows?
# [22:28] <mcsmurf> or does this affect all builds in the end
# [22:28] <RyanVM> "not ok" being that the width in question was wide enough to display a line of text on my screen but not on the other system
# [22:29] <mbrubeck> RyanVM: Well, if they choose a 20px font while you have a 16px font, then 1em is going to be 20px on their computer and 16px on yours. If that's what you want, then good. If that's not what you want, then bad...
# [22:29] <@ehsan> mcsmurf: nobody pays attention to the platform field ;)
# [22:29] <mcsmurf> I did ;)
# [22:29] <@ehsan> hehe, you should stop doing that
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# [22:29] <RyanVM> mbrubeck: that's exactly what I want - I want the column to always be wide enough to display the full text
# [22:29] <@ehsan> the platform field is known to be useless for most bugs
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# [22:29] <RyanVM> but for some reason, it wasn't working
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# [22:29] <@ehsan> but feel free to set that to whatever you want :)
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# [22:29] <mbrubeck> Note that the "em" unit is related to the font *height* so using it for widths is kind of hit-or-miss.
# [22:29] <RyanVM> ahhhh
# [22:29] <RyanVM> i thought it was the width of the 'm'
# [22:30] <@ehsan> where's Waldo?
# [22:30] <@ehsan> !seen Waldo
# [22:30] <@killer> I don't know who Waldo is.
# [22:30] <firebot> waldo was last seen 3 hours, 16 minutes and 42 seconds ago, saying 'nine-bit haters' in #developers.
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# [22:34] <@ehsan> who can review MFBT code besides Waldo? froydnj: can you?
# [22:35] <RyanVM> mbrubeck: /me reads the wiki article on 'em' - fascinating
# [22:35] <RyanVM> and annoying :P
# [22:35] <froydnj> ehsan: I'm willing to give it a look, sure
# [22:35] <froydnj> ehsan: I think Ms2ger can also serve as a filter
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# [22:36] <@ehsan> froydnj: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=926083
# [22:36] <@ehsan> froydnj: I'm afraid that this might bitrot :/
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# [22:46] <@ehsan> RyanVM: ping
# [22:47] <RyanVM> pong
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# [22:48] <@ehsan> RyanVM: what's going on on inbound? did I break this M2 test? :/
# [22:48] <@ehsan> also, wtf is up with Android 4.0?
# [22:48] <RyanVM> ehsan: no
# [22:48] <@ehsan> phew
# [22:48] <RyanVM> infra
# [22:48] <@ehsan> yay
# [22:48] <RyanVM> none of the bustage is yours :)
# [22:48] <@ehsan> so, closed for the day? :)
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# [22:48] <RyanVM> ehsan: until the change requiring a newer mozpool is reverted or said mozpool is actually updated
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# [22:49] <@ehsan> RyanVM: thanks!
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# [22:51] <@roc> it feels weird to have XPCOM compiling after layout
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# [22:51] <@ehsan> roc: hopefully that's not the result of a depencendy ;)
# [22:52] <@ehsan> or, a dependency
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# [22:59] <cpearce> gps: does the build work with MOZ_PSEUDO_DERECURSE using pymake/windows yet?
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# [23:00] <cpearce> gps: nice blog post re build system status by the way. good to see a write up like that.
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# [23:01] <gps> cpearce: pymake support won't work
# [23:01] <gps> but there are patches to make GNU make 4.0 work on Windows
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# [23:02] <gps> it's faster than pymake. so we'll likely kill off pymake
# [23:02] <cpearce> Excellent.
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# [23:02] <gps> (GNU make 4 was released last week and fixed some Windows bugs preventing us from using it)
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# [23:03] <mcsmurf> oh
# [23:03] <mcsmurf> cool..
# [23:03] <cpearce> gps: Is the plan to release a new MozillaBuild bundle with an updated GNU make soon then?
# [23:03] <gps> cpearce: not sure yet. we may just put the 250k binary in m-c
# [23:03] <cpearce> OK, easy enough.
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# [23:04] <gps> the build system is smart enough to detect and do the right thing
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# [23:04] <gps> if you build with mach, it will use the best available tool
# [23:04] <cpearce> ah, I see you actually mention gnu make 4 in the later half of your blog post ;)
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# [23:06] <Gijs> So, erm, I'm seeing something weird: let winRef = Components.utils.getWeakReference(Services.wm.getMostRecentWindow("foo"))
# [23:06] <Gijs> that reference gets invalidated when I switch windows, rather than when the window closes
# [23:06] <Gijs> why is that?
# [23:06] <Gijs> (and by invalidated I mean, winRef.get() returns null)
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# [23:07] <RyanVM> gps: ooo, parallel builds actually work now? :)
# [23:07] <KWierso|sheriffduty> "Sending 228 comments"
# [23:08] <kats> RyanVM: KWierso_: either of you in the midst of pulling checkin-needed patches?
# [23:08] <Gijs> KWierso|sheriffduty: wat.
# [23:08] <RyanVM> kats: nope
# [23:08] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/ce100e906a6e - Andrew Halberstadt - Bug 925723 - Add new manifest for b2g_desktop mochitests, r=jgriffin, DONTBUILD, a=NPOTB
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# [23:08] <RyanVM> kats: done with that for today most likely
# [23:08] <kats> ok thanks, i'll land myself then now that the trees are open
# [23:08] <KWierso|sheriffduty> Gijs: backout fixing all Windows jobs on fxteam
# [23:08] <RyanVM> KWierso|sheriffduty: awesome, I'll comment in the bug
# [23:08] <Gijs> heh.
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# [23:09] <@dolske> Gijs: was thinking it might be a wrapper vs native impl issue, but seems surprising that nothing else would have a ref to it.
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# [23:10] <@dolske> work around it with a Map?
# [23:10] <Gijs> dolske: yeah. I'm also confused. I guess my other suspicion is that maybe the enclosing devtools object has gone away, and I'm seeing logs from different actors. But that's weird, too.
# [23:11] <Gijs> dolske: can't iterate over a WeakMap, assuming that's what you meant.
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# [23:11] <RyanVM> gps: FWIW, the last update to MSYS openssl was compiled against 1.0.13, so I don't think we'll have any pre-built options
# [23:11] <josh> How was the m-i closing resolved?
# [23:12] <KWierso|sheriffduty> josh: magic?
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# [23:12] <KWierso|sheriffduty> RyanVM: ^^
# [23:12] <RyanVM> josh: i wish we knew
# [23:12] <RyanVM> seems it disappeared as abruptly as it started
# [23:12] <RyanVM> as comforting as that is
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# [23:13] <RyanVM> josh: I clobbered all trees to be safe
# [23:13] <RyanVM> but I really don't have a good answer
# [23:13] <josh> thanks, just curious because I didn't see any sign of a solution
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# [23:24] <@smaug> josh is back at hacking?
# [23:24] <@smaug> welcome back (from whatever you're been doing) :)
# [23:24] <josh> smaug: a bit, just cleaning up a bunch of mac code
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