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58. # [00:31] <tbsaunde> mccr8: if you really wanted to go crazy on that NS_IsMainThread thing you could totlaly kill NS_TLS :0
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77. # [00:41] <harth> lightsofapollo: hey, do you need me to do anything over on bz.js?
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79. # [00:42] <lightsofapollo> harth: not at the moment? There should be some more new stuff as we migrate from using bzapi to rest over the next few weeks
80. # [00:42] <harth> lightsofapollo: okay, just making sure
81. # [00:42] <harth> lightsofapollo: something about travis though?
82. # [00:42] <lightsofapollo> harth: AH!
83. # [00:42] <lightsofapollo> yes! can did you or can you enable travis for the project?
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92. # [00:46] <harth> lightsofapollo: okay, I think I enabled it
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95. # [00:47] <lightsofapollo> harth: yey
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98. # [00:50] <jcranmer|away> tbsaunde: and maybe we could use C++11's thread_local keyword :-)
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102. # [00:52] <jcranmer|away> "
103. # [00:52] <jcranmer|away> On Windows operating systems before Windows Vista, __declspec( thread ) has some limitations. If a DLL declares any data or object as __declspec( thread ), it can cause a protection fault if dynamically loaded."
104. # [00:52] <jcranmer|away> ah, it's an OS loader issue not a compiler issue :-/
105. # [00:53] <jcranmer|away> how much longer before we can kill support for XP?
106. # [00:53] <botond> jcranmer|away: i still use XP :)
107. # [00:53] <Mossop> jcranmer|away: After 2015 if we want to beat Chrome ;)
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164. # [01:26] <mccr8> tbsaunde: is NS_TLS not used any more?
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169. # [01:29] <tbsaunde> mccr8: afaict just for NS_IsMainThread so you could convert that to mozilla::ThreadLocal and then it would be
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171. # [01:30] <mccr8> tbsaunde: ah. that sounds more complicated than I want to deal with. :)
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175. # [01:38] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/8b5aa45e7f76 - Eric Faust - Bug 922499 - Fix SetPropertyIC generic proxy stub mistakenly swallowing DOM proxies. (r=djvj)
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187. # [01:47] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/f0ed1e2c7ca2 - Daniel Holbert - Bug 913548 part 2: Replace unused variable "ignored" with unused<< in nsExceptionHandler.cpp, and add a few other unused<< for consistency. r=ted
188. # [01:47] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/53ef1d805b5b - Daniel Holbert - Bug 913548 part 1: Switch nsExceptionHandler.cpp from (void) to unused<<. r=ted
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202. # [02:03] <Ghost_Of_JNG> Why did you murder me?! Let me rest.
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217. # [02:14] <philor> "Let me rest" would be a good thing for a puppet dressed as a ghost to say - you could do it in that puppet theater style where the puppeteer is clearly visible working the strings and speaking the dialogue, saying over and over "let me rest, let me rest, let me rest"
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223. # [02:18] <efaust> philor: where are Fred and Scooby?
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226. # [02:21] <bwc> So, anyone here have a hypothesis as to why bzexport would grab someone else's patch that was committed last week, and upload it to the bug it came from, instead of uploading the top of my patch queue to the bug number in the description?
227. # [02:23] <qDot> I know what my costume for halloween this year is gonna be now.
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229. # [02:24] <hub> qDot: a fox ? ;-)
230. # [02:25] <mbrubeck> bwc: I don't know the bzexport code, but is it possible you had multiple heads on the default branch?
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232. # [02:25] <mbrubeck> e.g. you recently ran "hg pull" but not yet "hg update"?
233. # [02:26] <bwc> Ah-ha. This is what I get for not renaming other people's patches when I work on them. The patch was named simply "150020", which just so happens to be the changeset sequence number for the errant patch on mozilla-inbound.
234. # [02:26] <mbrubeck> oh, crazy
235. # [02:26] <bwc> So, don't name your patches <some number>.
236. # [02:26] <mbrubeck> It would be nice if hg would stop you from using a number as a tag.
237. # [02:28] <bwc> In particular, I've seen other cases where people are using <bug-number> as the name of the patch, which apparently will not do the thing you expect if the current sequence number is greater than the bug id you're working on.
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239. # [02:29] <mbrubeck> solution: we need to file bugs faster than we commit fixes. :)
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241. # [02:29] <mbrubeck> and don't bother fixing any of those old bugs!
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244. # [02:30] <nemo> heh. didn't Firefox create flexbox?
245. # [02:30] <WeirdAl> when's the next tracking-firefox triage meeting?
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249. # [02:31] <nemo> noticed this line: "IE is somewhat flexbox-friendly—much more so than Firefox" when reading http://eng.asana.com/2013/10/making-asana-work-in-internet-explorer/
250. # [02:31] <nemo> I'd swear flexbox was in xul before it got pulled into webkit and such
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254. # [02:33] <mbrubeck> The stuff in XUL is quite different from the current standard, though.
255. # [02:33] <mbrubeck> (Gecko currently supports both, though the standard "display: flex" stuff is still pretty new and I think slightly incomplete.)
256. # [02:33] <philor> you were probably thinking of Opera's impl
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270. # [02:46] <philor> mrbkap: Android has thought about it some, and it would prefer that you not "Add crashtest"
271. # [02:46] <philor> or that you "Add crashtest but leave Android out of it and just let other people who can actually load it load it"
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282. # [02:53] <mrbkap> philor: er
283. # [02:53] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/a301aa4f3e43 - Blake Kaplan - Bug 840098 - Add mochitest. r=bzbarsky
284. # [02:54] <mrbkap> philor: sigh
285. # [02:55] <mrbkap> philor: sorry, I didn't see your comment until after I pushed.
286. # [02:55] <mrbkap> philor: pushing a hopeful fix for the android bustage now.
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335. # [03:31] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/19caec7fe32d - Chris Peterson - Bug 927209 - Fix -Wunused-function and -Wreorder warnings in nsNSSIOLayer.cpp. r=bsmith
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354. # [03:40] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/773e830a7d77 - Blake Kaplan - Bug 851353 - Disable this test that only fails on android.
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390. # [04:18] <philor> mrbkap: up to you, but you can disable a crashtest only on the Android 4 Panda devices where it's failing, and still run it on the 2.2 Tegra devices where it's passing
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426. # [04:37] <@khuey> oh god
427. # [04:37] <@khuey> I'm being bikeshedded to death
428. # [04:38] <philor> s/to death/near to death/
429. # [04:39] <@njn> touche
430. # [04:40] <@njn> or perhaps I should say: touché
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432. # [04:43] <dougt> khuey: could you schedule a meeting to discuss this? please invite me. maybe we should talk about who should be invited first. hmm.
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435. # [04:45] <@njn> dougt: should the meeting be via Vidyo or Skype? Or can we use WebRTC to escape the clutches of proprietary tools?
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437. # [04:46] <@njn> that would be more in line with Mozilla's value
438. # [04:46] <dougt> njn: shit. hm. that is a good question. I think we're going to have to ask the work place resources if we can use one of the webrtc rooms.
439. # [04:46] <@njn> *values
440. # [04:46] <dougt> maybe we could just have a work week instead.
441. # [04:46] <dougt> i suggest Mountain View because I am cheep.
442. # [04:47] <dougt> and can't spell.
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444. # [04:47] <@njn> dougt: let it be noted that Mozilla Manifesto principles 1, 2, 6, 7, and 8 are relevant here
445. # [04:47] <dougt> which version are you looking at?
446. # [04:48] <@khuey> dougt: I have to file my TPS reports first
447. # [04:48] <dougt> why isn't this served over https?
448. # [04:48] <dougt> khuey: make sure you have the right cover letter.
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450. # [04:48] <dougt> i told you about this, right?
451. # [04:48] <@khuey> I'm not sure, let me check my stack of memos
452. # [04:49] * @njn wonders what will happen in 2038
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456. # [04:52] * @njn wonders about OHSA
457. # [04:52] * @njn wonders about non-Basic Multilingual Plane codepoints
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460. # [04:54] <Callek> dougt: speaking of which, when are we going to have WebRTC replace Vidyo!
461. # [04:55] <Callek> hint: I'm hoping for an answer of "we already have it"
462. # [04:55] <hub> Callek: ah !
463. # [04:55] <dougt> Callek: i am hoping that i'll be able to use it for 1-1's by end of the year.
464. # [04:55] <dougt> Callek: there are some missing things.
465. # [04:56] <@khuey> njn: what about non-BMP codepoints?
466. # [04:56] <Callek> can it do group-meetings of more-than-2?
467. # [04:56] <Callek> and sound-on-linux
468. # [04:56] <@njn> and print preview
469. # [04:56] <hub> I was pondering patching etherpad to setup a webrtc meeting
470. # [04:56] <dougt> Callek: have reached the end of my knowledge on the subject. thanks for playing. have a good day.
471. # [04:56] <dougt> (ask on #media)
472. # [04:56] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/e7820ffce399 - Stephen Pohl - Bug 817700 - Fix test_toBlob canvas test. r=roc
473. # [04:56] <hub> since we all connect to etherpad for meeting
474. # [04:56] <Callek> haha, ok thanks
475. # [04:56] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/c83df35471ff - Stephen Pohl - Bug 817700 - Fix test_mozGetAsFile canvas test. r=roc
476. # [04:56] <@njn> khuey: just wanted to touch base about covering all our bases
477. # [04:56] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/3b3eb94009e6 - Stephen Pohl - Bug 916128 - Ensure that image encoding callbacks are released on the main thread. r=khuey
478. # [04:57] * Callek is a windows user, I just know many on my team use linux and I *should* given my team
479. # [04:57] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/18d72b851345 - Christoph Diehl - Bug 916128 - Add crash test. r=khuey
480. # [04:57] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/56624b069d30 - Stephen Pohl - Bug 817700 - Make <canvas>.toBlob run asynchronously. r=seth,roc,bz
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482. # [04:57] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/3d04445e3a92 - Stephen Pohl - Bug 817700 - Fix animSVGImage test. r=roc
483. # [04:57] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/d6e9bbbfa1a5 - Stephen Pohl - Bug 817700 - Make <canvas>.toBlob run asynchronously - canvas changes. r=roc,bz
484. # [04:57] <@khuey> njn: ah
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486. # [04:58] <@njn> khuey: carry on
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488. # [04:58] <@khuey> njn: if you don't support non-BMP characters emoji will break ;-)
489. # [04:59] <@njn> ewhoji?
490. # [04:59] <@njn> bless you
491. # [04:59] <@khuey> heh
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501. # [05:10] <@khuey> glandium: so make 4.0 has working -jN on windows?
502. # [05:11] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/fb0bfd363a0f - Alexander Surkov - Bug 917598 - ISimpleDOMNode::innerHTML does not work on math elements, r=tbsaunde
503. # [05:12] <@njn> khuey: what, don't you believe me?
504. # [05:12] <@njn> :P
505. # [05:13] <@khuey> njn: no ;-)
506. # [05:13] <@njn> khuey: how do you think I learned about this? glandium told me :P
507. # [05:13] <Callek> khuey: I was told that make 4.0 had broken other bits though, so I don't quite believe glandium
508. # [05:14] <Callek> :-)
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510. # [05:14] <Unfocused> i read it on bugzilla, so it must be true
511. # [05:14] <Callek> Unfocused: is that anything like the internetz
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513. # [05:14] <@khuey> Callek: bugzilla is better than the internetz
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515. # [05:15] <Callek> o cool!
516. # [05:15] <rhelmer> bugzilla never forgets
517. # [05:15] <Unfocused> eh, could do with more pictures of cats
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520. # [05:17] <@khuey> Unfocused: I sense a good extension opportunity
521. # [05:18] <reuben> replace gravatars with picture of cats and then I'll maybe not remove them with a userstyle
522. # [05:18] <reuben> pictures*
523. # [05:18] <Callek> Unfocused: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=lolcats&list_id=8274394
524. # [05:18] <reuben> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=ALL%20lolcats&list_id=8274401
525. # [05:18] <Unfocused> most depressing bugzilla search EVAR
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527. # [05:19] <Unfocused> eh, i remember 430573... good times
528. # [05:19] <Unfocused> heh*
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530. # [05:19] <Callek> hihi, lolcats has a Bug 322617
531. # [05:19] <Callek> seriously
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547. # [05:38] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/7ab893e787f7 - seabld - Added tag SEAMONKEY_2_22b1_BUILD1 for changeset THUNDERBIRD_25_0b1_BUILD1. CLOSED TREE a=release
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549. # [05:40] <jesup> Callek: Sure, talky.io (and now vline IIRC) support ad-hoc multi-person conferences (though currently it's a full mesh - you send full-rez video to the n-1 other people - each separately encoded). I've been in a 5/6-way bug triage with blassey on talky, and it worked, though I was sending/receiving ~7Mbps
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551. # [05:40] <Callek> jesup: well that sounds like it would be hell for any meeting > 4 people
552. # [05:41] <Callek> but thanks
553. # [05:41] <jesup> Callek: to do real conferencing, you need an MCU and you need simulcast or equivalent (ala Google Hangouts, which they'll be porting to WebRTC)
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555. # [05:42] <@roc> are they really?
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557. # [05:43] <jesup> Callek: we (and Chrome) need to add BUNDLE (do everything over one port) and multiple-stream support (for simulcast and receiving N streams from an MCU) to get to Vidyo/Hangouts capability. On the roadmap
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559. # [05:43] <Callek> jesup: nice!
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561. # [05:43] <Callek> jesup: yea I'm really looking forward to the day when we have "usable" 1x1 meetings over webRTC rather than vidyo, and even better when we can replace vidyo entirely with webRTC based open source magic
562. # [05:44] <Callek> ;-)
563. # [05:44] <jesup> roc: very much yes. The guy handling most of the DataChannels stuff for them (Peter Thatcher) is the guy who took over Hangouts from the Justin (who is their WebRTC lead)
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567. # [05:47] <jesup> Callek: 1x1 meetings are quite usable today in FF25 or better on either vline or talky (tokbox too); biggest problem currently is corporate firewalls can block connections, depending on where the dest is (TURN server helps with those firewalls; the free services mostly don't have a TURN server since it costs bandwidth, though apprtc.appspot.com does)
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570. # [05:50] <jesup> Note that Mozilla office networks == corporate firewall (and generally "big" firewalls are symmetric, which adds some protection and minimizes static IPs needed -- but some home routers are symmetric too, and WebRTC needs a TURN server when both ends are symmetric)
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573. # [05:52] <jesup> I'll note that echo cancellation (speakerphone mode) is still iffy; we hope to make major improvements to that in 27 and/or 28, and also cut output delay, especially on Linux (cubeb changes currently about to land)
574. # [05:52] <nigelb> morning
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623. # [06:30] <glandium> khuey: make 4.0 has actual win32 support for the jobserver
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632. # [06:36] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/ee100983f921 - Ehsan Akhgari - Bug 895047 - Make char16_t available everywhere and use that to define PRUnichar and jschar; r=jcranmer,jorendorff,glandium
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634. # [06:37] <jcranmer> ^^ the kind of patch that makes incremental builds a lie
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637. # [06:38] <glandium> jcranmer: incre mental
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641. # [06:45] <jesup> CPUs the world over cringe...
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643. # [06:47] <philor> CPUs in releng's build pool cringe at the flames
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649. # [06:52] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/49627b9b1be3 - Phil Ringnalda - Back out ee100983f921 (bug 895047) for build bustage
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658. # [07:02] <glandium> jesup: wishful ping
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660. # [07:02] <jesup> glandium: lucky pong
661. # [07:02] <glandium> jesup: i feel lucky :)
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663. # [07:02] <glandium> jesup: is there still use for jprof nowadays, with sps?
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665. # [07:04] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/cdf9d97ed9cd - Sankha Narayan Guria - Bug 864895 - Catch exceptions from PopupNotification callbacks. r=MattN
666. # [07:04] <jesup> glandium: absolutely :-) I posted a jprof to a WebAudio bug just a couple of days ago. dbaron uses it too last I knew, though he might have moved off it. (And it can output to Cleopatra nowadays as well). Perfect, it isn't - but I find it much easier to work with for many bugs than SPS
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668. # [07:04] <jesup> And don't get me started about "perf" on b2g....
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670. # [07:05] <glandium> jesup: i'm curious to know what jprof does that sps doesn't
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672. # [07:07] <jesup> glandium: mostly it's an issue of ease of moving around and examining different things.
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674. # [07:08] <bbouvier> hey! where should I ask for a change to the email address tight to my commit access?
675. # [07:08] <glandium> jesup: couldn't sps be adapted then?
676. # [07:08] <jesup> glandium: pros to SPS: ability to select timeframes for sub-profiles. Pros to jprof: ease of seeing all the things going into/out of a function
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679. # [07:10] <jesup> glandium: probably. SPS relies on a UI, which means changes require significant UI programming. jprof has all the data right there, but it's in a simple HTML file and it lets it be big and uses #links. The way SPS saves and processes profiles has seriously bitten me on multiple occasions, making me want to throw things at my monitor
680. # [07:11] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/30d9e30f0c8c - Ehsan Akhgari - Bug 895047 - Make char16_t available everywhere and use that to define PRUnichar and jschar; r=jcranmer,jorendorff,glandium
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682. # [07:11] <jesup> Try # 2!
683. # [07:11] <glandium> jesup: huh? you can just dump a json if you want. you don't even have to use the addon
684. # [07:11] <glandium> you can write your own
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686. # [07:14] <jesup> glandium: yeah, probably I could. I don't have anything against SPS, and if I used it enough I might end up liking it. Last time I used it I ran into multiple bugs and wasted hours doing stuff that would have taken me 10 minutes in jprof (except that jprof doesn't run on windows). I did finally dig down and find stuff that helped me indirectly solve my problem (turned out it was processor...
687. # [07:14] <jesup> ...thermal limiting dropping from 2.4GHz to 800Mhz) - bad heatsink compound probably on my Lenovo
688. # [07:15] <Unfocused> bbouvier: file a bug in mozilla.org :: Repository Account Requests
689. # [07:15] <bbouvier> Unfocused: thanks!
690. # [07:16] <jesup> glandium: I had to get personal help resolving problems from benoit and some others (forget the details now of what it was that tripped me up - other than UI bugs which were very confusing)
691. # [07:17] <glandium> jesup: again, you don't have to use the ui
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693. # [07:17] <glandium> jesup: anyways, my concern is that jprof is not built anywhere but on a couple people's local builds, and its build scripts are very likely to rot/break/whatever.
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696. # [07:19] <glandium> jesup: so, put bluntly, i'd rather see it die than have to maintain its build bits
697. # [07:19] <jesup> glandium: I never saw any hints on how to use it without the UI, nor any "dump an HTML file" mode. And honestly, what makes it better than jprof is the UI (and integration with the JS layer)
698. # [07:19] <jesup> glandium: I build it about 20 times a day...
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700. # [07:19] <jesup> all my linux .mozconfigs have it enabled
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703. # [07:20] <jesup> (ok, all my development mozconfigs)
704. # [07:20] <jesup> And whenever it breaks, I fix it (which is rarely)
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711. # [07:25] <jesup> If SPS can give me what jprof has, I would let it die. (and hack some on SPS to add some stuff). Even to feed SPS data into the jprof formatter, I suspect that I would need to do a major rewrite (perhaps I could limit it to the file-reading code, which would ease things).
712. # [07:25] <sfink> what does the jprof formatter do?
713. # [07:26] <sfink> I really want to like sps, but I haven't believed anything it's told me so far. And I fight with the UI and server setup a lot.
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718. # [07:31] <jesup> sfink: https://bug923319.bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=815990 is an example from this week. Not a really complex one (just a few hotspots), but read the comment in the bug and then look at those routines in the jprof
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720. # [07:33] <jesup> you can also turn on/off profiling from JS easily, or from signals, and you can limit the processing to a specific capture block (start/end) in the file. It also can break out by thread, and there was e10s support when we were doing that on desktop.
721. # [07:34] <jesup> Also it supports sampling-by-cpu-used (default), or realtime (wallclock) sampling (which is the default in SPS IIRC)
722. # [07:34] <sfink> yeah, I miss having that last one
723. # [07:35] <jesup> there are docs on how to read the file in tools/jprof/README.html
724. # [07:35] <sfink> it'd be cool to see the SPS output for the "same" profiling task as the jprof one
725. # [07:35] <sfink> actually, the jprof output is what I'm used to, so it's easy to read
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727. # [07:35] <jesup> sfink: it supports output to cleopatra, though I haven't tried it recently
728. # [07:35] <sfink> (admittedly, when I first encountered that format, it made no sense to me at all)
729. # [07:37] <jesup> sfink: that's how I feel about 'perf', except I want to strangle it and throw it in a dumpster. It's horrible.
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741. # [07:56] <@khuey> glandium: so does that mean we can kill pymake?
742. # [07:56] <glandium> khuey: once we're totally switched to make 4, yes
743. # [07:57] <mjrosenb> glandium: oh, are we using some of the fancy new features of make 4?
744. # [07:57] <glandium> mjrosenb: no
745. # [07:57] <mjrosenb> like lua mumble mumble?
746. # [07:57] <glandium> mjrosenb: you mean guile, but no
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749. # [07:57] <glandium> mjrosenb: it just turns out make 4 has a working -jN for windows
750. # [07:58] <mjrosenb> glandium: oic.
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752. # [07:58] <@khuey> mjrosenb: the feature of working ;-)
753. # [07:58] <mjrosenb> I vaguely remember reading about that.
754. # [07:58] <mjrosenb> khuey: well, working *faster*
755. # [07:59] <glandium> mjrosenb: well, i don't know about the native win32 make, but the make.exe currently in mozillabuild also doesn't work with windows-paths as vpath
756. # [07:59] <glandium> and using msys paths is a pain in the butt
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777. # [08:15] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> good morning
778. # [08:15] <jesup> working make -j on windows!!!! What has the world come to...
779. # [08:16] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> Unfocused: ping
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785. # [08:21] <@smaug> jesup:do we get better build times now on windows?
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787. # [08:21] <jesup> smaug: doubt it..... (or not much) :-(
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790. # [08:22] <glandium> jesup, smaug: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.dev.builds/58ch7ADjv9o
791. # [08:23] <glandium> cpearce reported 22% clobber time improvement
792. # [08:23] <glandium> make check is also twice as fast on build slaves
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794. # [08:24] <jesup> I see your numbers for clobber builds are in the 11-15% ish range. Still, that's good!
795. # [08:25] <glandium> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=29234092&tree=Birch woohoo incremental build in 66 minutes
796. # [08:25] <glandium> jesup: on build slaves, which, afaik, build with -j4
797. # [08:26] <Unfocused> Tomcat|sheriffduty: ugh, what broke this time? :\
798. # [08:26] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> :)
799. # [08:27] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> oh there is a test failing this time, but i guess its more the test :)
800. # [08:27] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> Unfocused: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Fx-Team&onlyunstarred=1&rev=491b452af425
801. # [08:27] <Unfocused> yea, just saw
802. # [08:27] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> i guess thats from the change from 491b452af425
803. # [08:28] <Unfocused> yep
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805. # [08:28] <Unfocused> will back it out if there's not a quick fix
806. # [08:29] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> cool, thanks i can do the backout too but fix is also ok :)))
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809. # [08:30] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> i guess no tree closure needed for fixing at this time ..\o/ yay timezones :)
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818. # [08:40] <Unfocused> Tomcat|sheriffduty: bah, ran the test locally over 100 times (yay --repeat) and can't get a failure., back it out, i guess :\
819. # [08:41] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> Unfocused: :( i can do the backout for you if you want
820. # [08:41] <Unfocused> yes please - thanks!
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822. # [08:41] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> ok np :) at least something i can do for you :)
823. # [08:44] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> ok 491b452af425 is backed out
824. # [08:46] <jesup> sfink: Just played with jprof realtime - Linux devs hewing closer to the POSIX standard broke setitimer()'s ability to interrupt any thread (shared timer per-process delivered to any thread that doesn't block it); now it delivers only to the thread that called setitimer()
825. # [08:46] <Unfocused> Tomcat|sheriffduty: ty!
826. # [08:47] <jesup> IIRC it worked in Ubuntu 8.04; can't remember if it worked in Fedora 15, but I'm guessing not (though it doesn't matter)
827. # [08:47] <Unfocused> and i think i just figured out why it was failing.... but now i have no idea why it was passing locally
828. # [08:47] <Unfocused> one step forward, two steps back
829. # [08:47] <jesup> sigh.
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832. # [08:47] <jesup> I'll deal with that later
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866. # [09:19] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/afb6450f58cd - Vivien Nicolas - Bug 863702 - [B2G] :active state is sometime not rendered if you tap quickly. r=fabrice
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882. # [09:30] <Ms2ger> Bonjour
883. # [09:30] <nigelb> Morning
884. # [09:31] <glandium> afternoon
885. # [09:31] <Unfocused> evening
886. # [09:31] <Ms2ger> Night?
887. # [09:31] <Waldo> morning
888. # [09:31] <NeilAway> reuben: why use a userstyle? there's a pref for them in userprefs.cgi
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890. # [09:32] <glandium> Ms2ger: you'd have to find someone in the us for that
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893. # [09:34] <nigelb> Well, to be fair, it's afternoon for me too.
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895. # [09:34] <nigelb> I should make lunch.
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899. # [09:36] <Ms2ger> Is that like the Japanese suffix?
900. # [09:37] <glob> heh
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905. # [09:44] <decoder> Waldo: morning :) I just put up a simple patch for you to re-review, forgot to mention it builds on all of our platforms (green try :))
906. # [09:44] <Waldo> generally I assume patches for review are good, unless I see something dodgy in them, but maybe that's just me :-)
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927. # [10:00] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/8fd2088036f2 - Bobby Holley - Bug 922009 - MOZ_CRASH when trying to transplant objects with SCSWs. r=mrbkap
928. # [10:00] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/22e6993216a9 - Bobby Holley - Bug 924431 - Remove dumbmake dependency of js/xpconnect on js/src. r=gps
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961. # [10:18] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/f3f9a19a57b9 - Jan de Mooij - Bug 859892 - Rename JS_CANONICALIZE_NAN to JS::CanonicalizeNaN. r=Waldo
962. # [10:18] <Waldo> mm, SHOUTY_NAMES--
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1013. # [10:55] <@smaug> hmm, MOZ_NONHEAP_CLASS and MOZ_STACK_CLASS
1014. # [10:55] <@smaug> what is the difference
1015. # [10:57] <@khuey> smaug: stuff can be on the heap, on the stack, or statically allocated
1016. # [10:57] <@khuey> MOZ_NONHEAP_CLASS covers the last two
1017. # [10:57] <@khuey> MOZ_STACK_CLASS only the middle
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1019. # [10:57] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/440098bca4eb - Jon Coppeard - Bug 926681 - Make JSRuntime::currentThreadOwnsOperationCallbackLock() work the the same in non-threadsafe builds r=bhackett
1020. # [10:58] <@smaug> ah
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1040. # [11:07] * Waldo wonders where thread duration is handled there ;-)
1041. # [11:08] <Waldo> (probably nothing has thread duration right now, for the question to matter)
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1048. # [11:11] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/883941b3f927 - Yoshi Huang - Bug 921388 - UnicodeDecodeError: 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0xa3 ... when running xpcshell-tests. r=gps
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1086. # [11:43] <Unfocused> hm, who knows webidl? Ms2ger?
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1088. # [11:43] <Unfocused> i need to figure out how to expose a webidl object (implemented in JS) as just a plain object, not a function object
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1091. # [11:45] <peterv> Unfocused: that doesn't really make sense, if you have a JS-implemented WebIDL object it is exposed as an object already, no?
1092. # [11:46] <Unfocused> peterv: yes, but it seems to be exposed as a constructor
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1094. # [11:46] <Unfocused> which isn't what i want
1095. # [11:46] <peterv> Unfocused: what do you mean, as a constructor?
1096. # [11:46] <Unfocused> as in [object Function]
1097. # [11:47] <Unfocused> with none of the methods visible
1098. # [11:47] <peterv> Unfocused: do you have a patch?
1099. # [11:47] <Unfocused> except on the prototype
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1102. # [11:47] <Unfocused> i can put it up
1103. # [11:47] <ewong> does anyone know how to find the version of an installed mozilla-build? (that doesn't have the VERSION file)
1104. # [11:47] <peterv> WebIDL methods are always on the prototyp
1105. # [11:49] <Unfocused> peterv: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/page.cgi?id=splinter.html&bug=926712&attachment=818353
1106. # [11:49] <Ms2ger> So what's the issue?
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1108. # [11:50] <peterv> Unfocused: everything is static
1109. # [11:50] * Unfocused wonders why his editor is suddenly inserting tabs
1110. # [11:50] <NeilAway> whose idea was mozilla::nsSystemInfo ?
1111. # [11:50] * peterv isn't sure what the issue is either
1112. # [11:51] <Unfocused> peterv: oh, ignore the "static" part - that was an attempt to make it work roughly how i want, but i hit bug 863952 i think
1113. # [11:51] <Unfocused> it just results in a compile error
1114. # [11:51] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/9c8ab7e9ae41 - Ben Kelly - Bug 927649: Use object literal syntax in for-of iterator. r=jorendorff
1115. # [11:51] <Unfocused> if that worked, it'd be close enough to what i need
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1118. # [11:53] <NeilAway> oh, my bad, I overlooked the word "using"
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1121. # [11:54] <Unfocused> but i was hoping/assuming there would be another way to achieve having the methods exposed - since i never want |new InstallTrigger| to be a thing
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1123. # [11:55] <NeilAway> bah, MSVC decided I wanted SFINAE?
1124. # [11:55] <peterv> Unfocused: well, then you probably want static properties and methods, yes
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1126. # [11:56] <peterv> Unfocused: without a Constructor newing shouldn't do anything
1127. # [11:57] * Unfocused nods
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1129. # [11:57] <peterv> well, it'll throw
1130. # [11:57] <Unfocused> so i'm out of luck until bug 863952 is fixed? :\
1131. # [11:57] <Unfocused> yea, it throws
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1134. # [11:59] <peterv> we could work it around it, but is this important to have in WebIDL?
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1137. # [12:00] <Unfocused> yes, webidl seems to be the only solution for a certain class of security bug :\
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1141. # [12:02] <peterv> you could have an interface with a NoInterfaceObject and have InstallTrigger be a property on the window that returns an instance of that interface
1142. # [12:02] <peterv> but I'd rather avoid that
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1144. # [12:03] <firebot> Check-in:
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1146. # [12:03] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/45d9e6cd3473 - Robert O'Callahan - Bug 926706. When nsGfxScrollFrameInner::UpdateOverflow decides we need to update the scrollbars, don't reflow the scrollframe with NS_FRAME_IS_DIRTY since that
1147. # [12:03] <firebot> reflows all descendants. Just reflow the frame itself and don't dirty anything else. r=tn
1148. # [12:04] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/a417424f9213 - Robert O'Callahan - Bug 923193. Make transform-origin on SVG elements use the SVG bbox as the reference rectangle. r=heycam
1149. # [12:04] <Unfocused> hm, i had wondered about that, since i see some cases of that happening on window.navigator. but i couldn't figure out how to do it on window
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1152. # [12:06] <Unfocused> any solution would be welcome at this stage - need to get this fixed as soon as possible :\ even if it means more work to do it the proper way later on
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1164. # [12:13] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/ceb4bd44eb34 - Andy Wingo - Bug 919948 - Convert Array.prototype.@@iterator to use new iteration protocol. r=jorendorff
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1229. # [13:01] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/68149d83be3a - Andy Wingo - Bug 924318 - More iterator test cleanups. r=jwalden
1230. # [13:01] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/4d45af314d05 - Andy Wingo - Bug 924318 - Clean up ecma_6/Generators iterator tests. r=jwalden
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1263. # [13:18] <senicar> hi, do Services.jsm have getter for nsIStyleSheetService (currently not listed on the MDN) or do I have to include it separately? thanks
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1294. # [13:41] <Bas> Does anyone know how I do one of those fancy 'ninja' builds on windows?
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1299. # [13:48] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> ninja builds, sounds cool
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1345. # [14:21] <NeilAway> aargh, I hate C++
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1347. # [14:22] <froydnj> senicar: Services.jsm does not have such a getter
1348. # [14:22] <ewong> C++ is evil.
1349. # [14:26] <senicar> froydnj: thanks, I was just wondering if it might not be documented
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1353. # [14:30] <senicar> froydnj: just one more question. I'm using loadAndRegisterSheet to load style.css but it works only when I restart firefox it doesn't work it I do it restartless, do you know if that is even possible? thanks
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1386. # [14:48] <peterv> Unfocused: I'll try something out for bug 863952
1387. # [14:49] <froydnj> senicar: I do not know whether that is possible or not, sorry
1388. # [14:49] <nemo> hrm. why do the built in dev tools make it so hard to open a loaded resource in a new tab..
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1390. # [14:49] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/f7e452886b4f - Fernando Jiménez - Bug 910466 - Refactor IPC app state updating. r=fabrice
1391. # [14:49] <nemo> far too often I end up having to select the url, copy it, and paste it
1392. # [14:50] <nemo> firebug seems better behaved in this regard
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1398. # [14:53] <nemo> ah. and the net url was missing parameters it seems, thus the error when I accessed the url.
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1400. # [14:53] <nemo> oh well. solved by switching to browser w/ firebug :)
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1420. # [15:03] <Yoric> Interesting cycle.
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1432. # [15:17] <capella> If i ever leave the project, I'll just say "screw you guys, I'm going home" and forever be remembered :)
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1440. # [15:20] <@bsmedberg> is the windows nightly broken? I can't get the urlbar to work
1441. # [15:21] <@bsmedberg> I guess this is the 10-16 nightly
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1444. # [15:23] <@bsmedberg> oh nevermind, the whole network is funky on this machine
1445. # [15:23] <decoder> Waldo: maybe not always a reasonable assumption but in this case, the patch should be safe. :D
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1467. # [15:32] <bkero> Heya. Does anybody think we use private HG repositories anymore? Only one repo ever made it in (shadow-central), and it hasn't been touched since 2010. I'm considering nuking the whole thing form orbit and simplifying out infra.
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1470. # [15:35] <Optimizer> NeilAway: ping
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1474. # [15:37] <Gijs> Is anything up with infra right now?
1475. # [15:37] <Gijs> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=UX has a lot of disconnects / timeouts
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1477. # [15:37] <Gijs> it's just a merge from m-c, which didn't conflict in any way when I did it, so I'm confused as to what's up.
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1479. # [15:38] <NeilAway> ewong: lol
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1482. # [15:38] <NeilAway> Optimizer: pong
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1485. # [15:38] <bkero> Gijs: not from where I'm sitting
1486. # [15:39] <decoder> bkero: the fuzzing repo is private
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1488. # [15:39] <bkero> decoder: I don't see that anywhere in this infra...Do you know the name of the repo?
1489. # [15:40] <decoder> fuzzing =D
1490. # [15:40] <decoder> hg.mozilla.org/private/fuzzing
1491. # [15:40] <bkero> That exists in hg.m.o/private, not in hg-pvt.m.o
1492. # [15:40] <decoder> ok
1493. # [15:40] <decoder> =)
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1495. # [15:40] <bkero> I'm proposing to nuke hg-pvt.m.o from orbit
1496. # [15:41] <decoder> you didnt mention pvt up there
1497. # [15:41] <bkero> my bad
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1499. # [15:41] <decoder> shame on you
1500. # [15:41] * bkero is ashamed
1501. # [15:41] <decoder> hehe
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1512. # [15:44] <Optimizer> NeilAway: do you have any idea on how to actually know whether the scrollbars in macosx are overlaying or not
1513. # [15:46] <NeilAway> Optimizer: sorry I know nothing about OSX overlay scrollbars
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1515. # [15:47] <Optimizer> oh, so Neil Deakin knows ?
1516. # [15:47] <Ms2ger> bkero, mm, I remember shadow-central... I don't think anyone uses them
1517. # [15:47] <Optimizer> (what is his nick?)
1518. # [15:47] <Ms2ger> Optimizer, Enn
1519. # [15:48] <Ms2ger> bkero, though maybe the b2g partners...
1520. # [15:48] <bkero> Ms2ger: last commit was in 2010. I doubt anybody uses it.
1521. # [15:48] <Optimizer> Enn: ping :)
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1523. # [15:48] <bkero> Ms2ger: I don't think any of the b2g partners will want hg. and even if they do we'll probably tell them to use git.
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1525. # [15:48] <Ms2ger> bkero, boo. But in that case, nuke away, IMO :)
1526. # [15:49] <bkero> I sent an email out to a few choice people getting any nay-sayers opinions before I nuke and pave.
1527. # [15:49] <bkero> ./nuke.sh && ./page.py
1528. # [15:49] <bkero> ./nuke.sh && ./pave.py
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1553. # [15:56] <Optimizer> anyone else good with mac osx scrollbars ?
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1577. # [16:03] <stransky> ted, ping (https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=624422) - any update here? It would be great to move here, I'd like to attach more build patches...
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1588. # [16:07] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/616980966644 - Olli Pettay - Bug 927813 - Some micro-optimizations for Suspect, r=mccr8
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1607. # [16:13] <padenot> ehsan: ping
1608. # [16:13] <@ehsan> padenot: Hixie
1609. # [16:13] <@ehsan> shoot
1610. # [16:14] <@ehsan> I meant to say Hi!
1611. # [16:14] <@ehsan> Hixie: sorry :)
1612. # [16:14] <padenot> hehe
1613. # [16:14] <Optimizer> :D
1614. # [16:14] <padenot> ehsan: so, you remember when you mentionned the other races we have to address in webaudio?
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1616. # [16:14] <padenot> ehsan: I'm trying to find your email listing them, but I can't find it
1617. # [16:14] <@ehsan> let me dig it up
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1620. # [16:16] <@ehsan> padenot: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-audio/2013AprJun/0644.html
1621. # [16:16] <padenot> ehsan: thanks, I'll go open issues, now
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1623. # [16:17] <padenot> ha, its actually an email from roc, that's why I could not find it
1624. # [16:17] <@ehsan> yes :D
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1626. # [16:18] <@ehsan> iirc I and roc had some private emails before this thread
1627. # [16:18] <@ehsan> I may have thought that you were CCed on them :)
1628. # [16:18] <padenot> maybe, I can't remember
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1632. # [16:21] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/c988007d5cd1 - Paul Adenot - Bug 918861 - Update tests that were relying on a 48000Hz samplerate. r=ehsan
1633. # [16:21] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/6c1e6cff2e43 - Paul Adenot - Bug 907817 - Actually set the latency when using the audiounit cubeb backend. r=kinetik
1634. # [16:21] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/af8f1f9b11be - Paul Adenot - Bug 907817 - Add a cubeb API to get a valid audio latency range per platform. r=kinetik
1635. # [16:22] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/6ca71aca6e9e - Paul Adenot - Bug 922247 - When an AudioContext is not running at 48kHz, resample the input of the MediaRecorder when encoding in Opus. r=roc
1636. # [16:22] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/8c159c637fdb - Paul Adenot - Bug 918861 - Allow the MSG to choose a better samplerate than 48000Hz. r=roc
1637. # [16:22] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/b77402bffaf7 - Paul Adenot - Bug 907817 - Allow AudioStream users to pass-in latency requirements. r=kinetik
1638. # [16:22] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/ac461ea5f961 - Paul Adenot - Bug 918861 - Expose a better samplerate though the AudioStream interface. r=kinetik
1639. # [16:22] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/7049d17385d9 - Paul Adenot - Bug 918861 - Add an API to get the native samplerate for a given audio backend. r=kinetik
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1676. # [16:42] <paul> I create a xul:iframe that is display:none. iframe.docShell is null until the iframe is displayed. How can I force the iframe window to be created or how can I be notified when the docshell is created?
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1683. # [16:45] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/030f1de777ae - Ben Hearsum - bug 927364: make Balrog ride the trains to Aurora. r=gavin
1684. # [16:45] <josh> In what Google Group do people discuss media-related topics?
1685. # [16:45] <@smaug> ehsan: you should ask gaming people about the Moz Audio API usage
1686. # [16:45] <@smaug> ehsan: I thought there was some reason why Web Audio API isn't used
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1688. # [16:45] <@smaug> ehsan: ask jukka
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1690. # [16:45] <@ehsan> smaug: will do, but I expect an emscripten shim on top of web audio should be really easy
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1692. # [16:46] <@smaug> ehsan: IIRC there were some technical reason...
1693. # [16:46] <@ehsan> smaug: yes, jukka has a use case that web audio is not useful for
1694. # [16:46] <@smaug> web audio API being bad for games or such
1695. # [16:46] <@ehsan> but that's not a "common" usecase
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1697. # [16:46] <@ehsan> no, it's just his use case
1698. # [16:46] <@smaug> ah
1699. # [16:46] <@smaug> k
1700. # [16:46] <@ehsan> but afaik that has only risen in a handful of games so far
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1704. # [16:47] <molnarg> quick question: how do I access the content window in a browser console in nightly? top.content works in release but in nightly it's undefined.
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1709. # [16:48] <clb> smaug: the bug can be found here https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=913854
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1711. # [16:48] <@ehsan> clb: I cced you on the bug
1712. # [16:49] <clb> new emscripten-based games that can author their audio in 48kHz/32-bit float probably don't suffer this issue, but it hits ported games, that typically have their audio in 22kHz/44kHz and most often don't use floating point samples
1713. # [16:49] <@ehsan> only the ported games which generate their audio in batches
1714. # [16:49] <@ehsan> s/audio/background audio/
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1732. # [17:00] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/315b927c1934 - Christian Holler - Bug 847350 - Add/Update MOZ_ASAN/TSAN_BLACKLIST macros. r=waldo
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1740. # [17:01] <NeilAway> bz can't spell Dependent, and bsmedberg didn't spot his typo
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1761. # [17:10] <@smaug> NeilAway: looking at my patch?
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1770. # [17:15] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/e2f944980373 - Gregory Szorc - Bug 241047 - Don't allow srcdir == objdir builds; r=ted
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1773. # [17:17] <NeilAway> smaug: no, http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/d42f8528d09f#l2.17
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1777. # [17:18] <KWierso> NeilAway: at least it was misspelled everywhere?
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1789. # [17:25] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/9b1ab0fcde02 - Malini Das - Bug 927592 - add modal dialog handling when document is ready, and only in B2G, r=jgriffin
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1812. # [17:37] <@ehsan> hmm, how does the commit access to comm-central work?
1813. # [17:37] <@ehsan> can I land code there?
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1816. # [17:38] <@khuey> you have L3?
1817. # [17:38] <tbsaunde> ehsan: I don't see why not
1818. # [17:38] <@khuey> you still have to follow the normal checkin rules
1819. # [17:38] <@ehsan> I think I have L3 :)
1820. # [17:38] <@khuey> like get review, and don't break everything
1821. # [17:38] <@khuey> but other than that it just works
1822. # [17:38] <@ehsan> oh darn
1823. # [17:38] <@ehsan> that's what I wanted to avoid :)
1824. # [17:38] <@ehsan> this is a bustage fix
1825. # [17:38] <@khuey> oh
1826. # [17:39] <@khuey> I imagine they'll appreciate you fixing their tree
1827. # [17:39] <froydnj> hg rm -rf .
1828. # [17:39] <@ehsan> let's hope that's the case
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1837. # [17:42] <Callek_disconnected> ehsan: so "don't break harder than its already broken" is a good rule of thumb
1838. # [17:42] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/754cf7fc84cd - Bill McCloskey - Bug 923331 - Remove disablehistory attr from first browser tab (r=gavin)
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1841. # [17:42] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/dca0f18f3e86 - Bill McCloskey - Bug 923331 - Don't wait for history object in session restore (r=ttaubert)
1842. # [17:43] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/eba758f1fba3 - Bill McCloskey - Bug 923331 - Use more general getter for docshell in browser.xml (r=gavin)
1843. # [17:43] <Callek> ehsan: also thank you for fixing c-c
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1845. # [17:43] <@khuey> Callek: in other words don't fix the intermittent green ;-)
1846. # [17:43] <@ehsan> hehe
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1848. # [17:43] <Callek> khuey: wait we have intermittent green? I thought it was perma-orange
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1850. # [17:43] <@khuey> haha idk I haven't looked at cc in months
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1852. # [17:44] <Callek> well SeaMonkey trunk is perma-red right now
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1854. # [17:44] <Callek> but thats due to me not yet getting python upgraded :/
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1860. # [17:47] <@ehsan> Callek: if this makes you feel better, my "fix" is totally untested :)
1861. # [17:47] <NeilAway> Callek: isn't Windows inter-green?
1862. # [17:47] <mancoolgunda> hi everyone
1863. # [17:47] <@ehsan> but it will hopefully work out fine
1864. # [17:47] <mancoolgunda> I was willling to contribute to Mozilla Firefox.
1865. # [17:47] <Callek> ehsan: that sounds like all the fixes I've ever done to c-c, so sure
1866. # [17:48] <mancoolgunda> I wanted to know which language I should be proficient in?
1867. # [17:48] * merike|away is now known as merike
1868. # [17:48] <@ehsan> mancoolgunda: http://whatcanidoformozilla.org/ :)
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1877. # [17:51] <mancoolgunda> ehsan: thanks, I checked out that..and I had streamlined my choices to python and in python firefox.
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1879. # [17:52] <mancoolgunda> when i checked the how to contribute page of firefox it said that the core build of firefox is written in C++
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1883. # [17:52] <mancoolgunda> and firefox was not listed in one of C++ projects. so i was a bit confused.
1884. # [17:52] <@smaug> yes, Gecko is written in C++
1885. # [17:52] <mancoolgunda> Could anyone clarify things?
1886. # [17:53] <jgraham> The core of firefox i.e. Gecko is written in C++
1887. # [17:53] <jgraham> The firefox UI is mostly javascript
1888. # [17:53] <@smaug> and Firefox UI is JS/CSS/html/xul
1889. # [17:53] <jgraham> A lot of the tooling and web properties are Python
1890. # [17:53] <jgraham> Other lanaguages are used for a variety of things
1891. # [17:54] <jgraham> e.g. Rust is being used for the research browser engine Servo
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1895. # [17:54] <jgraham> Java is used for the android UI
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1899. # [17:55] <mancoolgunda> ok, so I know C++. Well, am learning python, and I'm good in PHP (My GSoC project this year was a PHP project). I wanted to know what would be the best way to start off in Firefox development?
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1903. # [17:57] <jgraham> That depends what you want to achieve
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1905. # [17:57] <@smaug> http://www.joshmatthews.net/bugsahoy/ can be useful
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1915. # [18:03] <mancoolgunda> ok, how do I setup the code-base? https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Simple_Firefox_build ??
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1919. # [18:04] <@smaug> mancoolgunda: yes, that looks right
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1921. # [18:05] <NeilAway> ehsan: know any C++ gurus? I want to have void foo(const char *) and template<int N> void foo(const char (&)[N]) but the template never gets used because the const char* is a better match :-(
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1928. # [18:08] <@ehsan> NeilAway: yes, non-template overrides are always prefered
1929. # [18:08] <@ehsan> NeilAway: what are you trying to do?
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1942. # [18:14] <@bsmedberg> ehsan: do you know if it's technically feasible to include in crash report annotations a list of all the DLLs that we actually did block with the windows blocklist?
1943. # [18:15] <@ehsan> bsmedberg: hmm yes, with a bit of effort to gather a list in the blocklist code...
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1947. # [18:16] <@ehsan> bsmedberg: we should just be careful to not call something which can call LoadLibrary on us
1948. # [18:16] <@ehsan> but simple memory allocation is fine
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1951. # [18:16] <@bsmedberg> ok
1952. # [18:16] <@ehsan> bsmedberg: it is probably a good idea to record the version for each of those DLLs as well
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1955. # [18:17] <@bsmedberg> yes
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1958. # [18:17] <ted> if you can just record them in a simple data structure we can annotate them at crash time
1959. # [18:17] <@ehsan> I can help review a patch if you volunteer somebody to write one ;)
1960. # [18:17] <@ehsan> ted: at crash time?
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1962. # [18:18] <@bsmedberg> I'll write this patch, I think I know how to do it and I want it for a thing now.
1963. # [18:18] <@ehsan> ok great!
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1965. # [18:18] <ted> ehsan: yeah, we have other things that are perf-sensitive that we want to annotate
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1967. # [18:18] <ted> so we just store them separately and write them out at crash time
1968. # [18:18] <ted> instead of calling AnnotateCrashReport (which is kind of expensive)
1969. # [18:18] <@ehsan> I see
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1971. # [18:18] <NeilAway> ehsan: I wanted to add a templated constructor to nsDependentCString to construct literal strings instead of using sizeof tricks
1972. # [18:18] <@ehsan> ted: why is that expensive?
1973. # [18:18] <ted> we store a boolean for whether we're GCing, for instance
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1975. # [18:19] <ted> ehsan: we can't allocate memory in the exception handler callback
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1977. # [18:19] <ted> so we have to up-front generate the annotation strings
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1980. # [18:19] <@ehsan> NeilAway: you can probably employ the same trick I used in bug 920292 to identify string literals...
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1982. # [18:19] <ted> actually, maybe if we have more confidence in our string implementations we can be less stupid about it
1983. # [18:20] <@ehsan> NeilAway: but you should make sure that the compilers can handle that
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1985. # [18:20] <@ehsan> ted: I'm not sure I understand. I get that we don't want to allocate memory, but why does that make AnnotateCrashReport expensive?
1986. # [18:21] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/81b505e9a435 - Brian Hackett - Bug 925962 - Track expected contents of stack type sets in compiler constraints, r=jandem.
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1991. # [18:22] <ted> ehsan: it builds the full file contents to write out at crash time
1992. # [18:22] <ted> ...now that i say that i'm not 100% sure why either
1993. # [18:22] <@ehsan> huh
1994. # [18:22] <@ehsan> yes, ok, that's expensive!
1995. # [18:22] <@ehsan> and perhaps silly too
1996. # [18:23] <ted> i feel like i probably had a reason when i wrote it
1997. # [18:23] <@ehsan> bsmedberg: do you know about the trick to get our hands at the list of DLLs at crash time?
1998. # [18:23] <@ehsan> ted: I believe you!
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2000. # [18:23] <@bsmedberg> ehsan: which trick? you mean the blocked ones or the installed one?
2001. # [18:24] <@bsmedberg> we have the in-process DLLS via the minidump
2002. # [18:24] <@ehsan> bsmedberg: the blocked ones
2003. # [18:24] <tbsaunde> ted: couldn't you just have a list of strings and then write() each of them?
2004. # [18:24] <@ehsan> bsmedberg: I'm talking about the trick to avoid calling AnnotateCrashReport every time
2005. # [18:24] <ted> tbsaunde: that's pretty plausible
2006. # [18:24] <@ehsan> see backscroll
2007. # [18:24] <@bsmedberg> oh yeah, I've done all that
2008. # [18:24] <ted> tbsaunde: there's probably no reason we can't enumerate the hashtable in the exception handler
2009. # [18:24] <@ehsan> fantastic!
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2011. # [18:24] <@ehsan> bsmedberg: I'll get out of your way then :)_
2012. # [18:25] * @bsmedberg ponders the relative merits of a hash versus a list
2013. # [18:26] <@ehsan> bsmedberg: you probably want set semantics... but a linear scan based set should work out fine
2014. # [18:26] <@ehsan> (on top of a simple linked list even)
2015. # [18:26] <@bsmedberg> yeah
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2017. # [18:27] <NeilAway> ehsan: sorry, I'm not sure how that helps
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2019. # [18:27] <@ehsan> NeilAway: don't you want to be able to differentiate between a const char* and a literal string? :/
2020. # [18:28] <@ehsan> NeilAway: in particular, see IsStringLiteral
2021. # [18:28] <@ehsan> https://bug920292.bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=812650
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2023. # [18:29] <@ehsan> NeilAway: the meat of the trick is to have no non-template constructors
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2025. # [18:30] <NeilAway> ehsan: ok, so I think something went wrong when I tried const T& but I'll have to recompile to find out what
2026. # [18:30] <@ehsan> ok, let me know if you need help
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2043. # [18:39] <NeilAway> ehsan: hmm, I think my mistake was to use T instead of const T&
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2045. # [18:39] <@ehsan> wtf is this error? "Agreeing to the Xcode/iOS license requires admin privileges, please re-run as root via sudo."
2046. # [18:39] <@ehsan> NeilAway: ah right, yes :)
2047. # [18:40] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/d5d12f7343d6 - Jan de Mooij - Bug 859892 - Rename JS_CANONICALIZE_NAN to JS::CanonicalizeNaN. r=Waldo, a=akeybl
2048. # [18:40] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/e449862b8ddd - Peter Van der Beken - Bug 914017 - Initialize members variables of the document hash correctly. r=sicking, a=abillings
2049. # [18:40] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/26f496f6c216 - Jim Chen - Bug 917685 - Let complex overrides take precedence over pref overrides. r=dao, a=akeybl
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2051. # [18:40] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/23f64cd0626c - Steve Workman - Bug 920725 - Return with error in nsHtml5StreamParser::WriteStreamBytes if mLastBuffer is null. r=hsivonen, a=akeybl
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2068. # [18:45] <ted> do all the compilers we support now allow >> at the end of nested templated type declarations?
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2070. # [18:45] <@khuey> yes
2071. # [18:46] <Waldo> ted: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Using_CXX_in_Mozilla_code says yes, I've seen other people say yes here
2072. # [18:46] <@khuey> we have uses of it in the tree already
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2074. # [18:46] <ted> that's what i suspected
2075. # [18:46] <ted> smaug: FYI ^^
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2078. # [18:47] <ted> that's a pretty great chart
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2083. # [18:48] <@ehsan> they do
2084. # [18:48] <@ehsan> >>>> FTW
2085. # [18:48] <ted> heh
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2158. # [18:53] <Waldo> >> > > >
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2170. # [18:54] <froydnj> tar: otool/i860_disasm.c: implausibly old time stamp 1969-12-31 19:00:00
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2172. # [18:54] <froydnj> \o/
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2184. # [18:56] <KWierso> RyanVM|sheriffduty: whoa
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2188. # [18:56] <ted> froydnj: hah, implausibly old
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2191. # [18:57] <ted> the nicest error message i saw recently was clang telling me i had conflict markers in a source file
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2195. # [18:57] <wopr2013> I have a beginner question about Javascript and the FF GUI (if I may): As all books and online tuts wite JS is restricted so much that it cannot even access the filesystem, how is it possible that you can use JS to develop the GUI?
2196. # [18:57] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/645c5dd062fb - Terrence Cole - Bug 927272 - Do not treat strings specially when rekeying map objects; r=jonco
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2198. # [18:57] <froydnj> ted: that is a most excellent error message
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2201. # [18:57] <wopr2013> I mean (my main point of my question) : are the(se) extensions in the libraries of the JS compiler/interpreter (made into the language itself somehow)?
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2208. # [18:58] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> KWierso: ?
2209. # [18:58] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> oh
2210. # [18:58] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> that's probably Callek's doing
2211. # [18:58] <KWierso> RyanVM|sheriffduty: omgpurple
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2214. # [18:58] <@ehsan> MattN: ping
2215. # [18:59] <Callek> RyanVM|sheriffduty: KWierso: ooo huhs?
2216. # [18:59] <Callek> I just did a pretty hefty merge
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2218. # [18:59] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> Callek: disconnects up the arse on inbound and other branches
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2220. # [18:59] <Callek> oooo and I see: |============================== failed masters ==============================| in my reconf
2221. # [18:59] <KWierso> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Mozilla-Inbound&onlyunstarred=1
2222. # [18:59] <Callek> RyanVM|sheriffduty: of course we just had a netsplit on concrete (irc) as well, so it might be related too
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2225. # [19:00] <@smaug> wopr2013: privileged JS can use all sorts of APIs
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2227. # [19:00] <@smaug> to access file system and sqlite and what not
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2234. # [19:02] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> Callek: i won't lie, when I said "morning EST" I meant a bit earlier than now
2235. # [19:02] <@ehsan> can a native English speaker please confirm something for me?
2236. # [19:02] <Callek> RyanVM|sheriffduty: well fwiw I had intended for earlier than now as well
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2239. # [19:03] <NeilAway> ted: neat
2240. # [19:03] <wopr2013> smaug: privileged JS? Oh, I am hearing the first time of it. Can you give me some doc to read about priv JS, please? (and thanks to answering my question, I wanted to ask in #coding as the moz wiki tells but there a re no people there at the moment)
2241. # [19:03] <@khuey> ehsan: what's up?
2242. # [19:03] <@ehsan> khuey: is this proper English? https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=926731#c5
2243. # [19:03] <@ehsan> khuey: (adding 's to all singular nouns)
2244. # [19:03] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> ...as he stars and retriggers literally hundreds of disconnected jobs across all the trees
2245. # [19:04] <Ms2ger> ehsan, well, it's English... Are you expecting logic? :)
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2252. # [19:04] <NeilAway> ehsan: well, it's the possessive form, so in as much as it can possess anything...
2253. # [19:05] <@smaug> wopr2013: trying to find something in MDN...
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2255. # [19:05] <@ehsan> NeilAway: that's what I thought... a toolbar can't possess things, right?
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2257. # [19:05] <NeilAway> ehsan: btw, you were apparently looking for muscle memory earlier
2258. # [19:05] <@khuey> ehsan: yeah, 's for possessives
2259. # [19:05] <@ehsan> NeilAway: oh, did I type mussel? :D
2260. # [19:05] <NeilAway> ehsan: well, it has properties, and it can possess them
2261. # [19:05] <@ehsan> khuey: so, should I uphold my r-? :)
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2263. # [19:06] <NeilAway> ehsan: e.g. a toolbar's parent
2264. # [19:06] <froydnj> ghost toolbars!
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2267. # [19:06] <@ehsan> oh
2268. # [19:06] <@ehsan> hmm
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2270. # [19:06] <@ehsan> NeilAway: good point
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2272. # [19:06] <wopr2013> I am googling for privileged JS right now but all I got is about members of classes (private, privilleged etc)
2273. # [19:06] <@khuey> ehsan: well I have no idea what /MS actually does so ...
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2275. # [19:07] <@ehsan> khuey: S makes the noun accept a "s" suffix, M makes it accept a "'s" suffix
2276. # [19:07] <@ehsan> khuey: but NeilAway has a point there (toolbar's parent)
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2280. # [19:08] <@khuey> yeah
2281. # [19:08] <@smaug> wopr2013: well, the idea is that the JS you run in firefox UI has access to many APIs which javascript run in web pages don't have
2282. # [19:08] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> khuey: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/extensions/spellcheck/locales/en-US/hunspell/en-US.aff#21
2283. # [19:09] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> shows what they all do
2284. # [19:09] * mdas|afk is now known as mdas
2285. # [19:09] <@ehsan> it's sort of ironic that I review changes to the en-US dictionary isn't it? ;)
2286. # [19:09] <reuben> hehehe
2287. # [19:10] <@khuey> yeah
2288. # [19:10] <@khuey> clearly we should restrict you to reviewing changes to en-CA
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2290. # [19:10] <@smaug> wopr2013: firefox UI code can instantiate any scriptable xpcom component etc.
2291. # [19:10] <@ehsan> khuey: that joke wouldn't fly well in #toronto ;)
2292. # [19:11] <@khuey> ehsan: that may be the only location based office channel I'm not in
2293. # [19:11] <@khuey> actually, there's probably one for PDX too
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2295. # [19:11] <@smaug> wopr2013: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/The_Mozilla_platform might be a good place to start
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2297. # [19:12] <@ehsan> PDX?
2298. # [19:12] * wlach_ is now known as wlach
2299. # [19:12] <@khuey> ehsan: portland
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2302. # [19:13] <@ehsan> khuey: I know :) I meant, do we have an office there now?
2303. # [19:13] <@khuey> yes
2304. # [19:13] <wopr2013> smaug: I will look into the XUL pages on d.m.o , thanks
2305. # [19:13] <@ehsan> huh
2306. # [19:13] <@ehsan> when did that happen?
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2308. # [19:13] <@smaug> office in portland?
2309. # [19:13] <@ehsan> yeah
2310. # [19:13] <fabrice> a few months ago
2311. # [19:13] <@ehsan> nice!
2312. # [19:13] <@khuey> end of july
2313. # [19:13] * @ehsan wonders how he missed that
2314. # [19:13] <mccr8> https://blog.mozilla.org/places/2013/08/26/mozpdx-opens-in-the-pearl/
2315. # [19:14] <@khuey> https://twitter.com/MozPDX/status/360854151464374272
2316. # [19:14] <mccr8> it was fairly low key, like Portland itself. ;)
2317. # [19:14] <@ehsan> who's in that office?
2318. # [19:14] <@smaug> oh, a real office
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2320. # [19:14] <@ehsan> lol
2321. # [19:14] <@khuey> all the portland people
2322. # [19:14] <@ehsan> khuey: thanks! :P
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2324. # [19:14] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> check and mate
2325. # [19:14] <@khuey> ehsan: hey today when I asked where we were going for lunch I was told a chinese restaurant :-P
2326. # [19:15] * Fallen|away is now known as Fallen
2327. # [19:15] <@khuey> can't get less helpful than that ;-)
2328. # [19:15] <@ehsan> khuey: lol, but technically that wasn't my fault :P
2329. # [19:15] <@ehsan> also, this makes me sad: https://blog.mozilla.org/places/files/2013/07/PDXCoffee.jpg
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2331. # [19:16] <@ehsan> a little bit of difference in the coffee infra would have made it more interesting to visit offices
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2333. # [19:16] <@ehsan> which is my nice way of saying, STOP DOING WHATEVER WE IN TORONTO DO!
2334. # [19:16] <@khuey> heh
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2336. # [19:17] <Callek> RyanVM|sheriffduty: though, I could argue that its still AM in Mozilla-Standard-Time
2337. # [19:17] <Callek> to be fair ;-)
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2339. # [19:17] <gps> rnewman: I'm having a difficult time reading the patch in bug 925521. can you please upload it to http://phabricator.gregoryszorc.com/ so I can have a sane review experience?
2340. # [19:17] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> Callek: which is why I specified my timezone ;)
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2343. # [19:18] <@ehsan> gps: I tried your phabricator instance yesterday, I waited about 3-4 minutes while the webpage loaded before I gave up
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2345. # [19:18] <@ehsan> if you would have asked me this, I would probably say no because of this :)
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2348. # [19:19] <gps> ehsan: it's on a slow EC2 instance and it is still indexing m-c
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2350. # [19:19] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> spohl: I'd tell you I'm backing out bug 817700 just for laughs, but I'm afraid that might send you into an anxiety attack :D
2351. # [19:19] <gps> the code review interface should be fast enough
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2353. # [19:19] <@ehsan> gps: I'm talking about the main gecko "diffication" page
2354. # [19:19] <@ehsan> or whatever stupid name they call their VCS integration
2355. # [19:19] <spohl> RyanVM|sheriffduty: NOOOOOO
2356. # [19:20] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> spohl: congrats on getting it to stick :)
2357. # [19:20] <@ehsan> diffusion!
2358. # [19:20] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> (for now)
2359. # [19:20] <gps> e.g. http://phabricator.gregoryszorc.com/D7 loads fine!
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2361. # [19:20] <spohl> RyanVM|sheriffduty: seriously though, my anxiety attack started literally when I saw your message pop up on my display. there are things that shouldn't be joked about… ;-)
2362. # [19:20] <@ehsan> gps: yeah that page loads for me as well
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2364. # [19:21] <@ehsan> gps: also, does this tool post all of the review comments back to bugzilla?
2365. # [19:21] <gps> ehsan: it's just the gecko repo that is slow because it's still indexing
2366. # [19:21] <gps> ehsan: not yet. I could probably make that happen
2367. # [19:21] <@ehsan> gps: we should probably avoid using it until then
2368. # [19:21] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> spohl: hah
2369. # [19:21] <spohl> RyanVM|sheriffduty: thanks. keeping my fingers crossed. so far I've only received an email about performance *improvement* on inbound. let's hope it stays that way.
2370. # [19:21] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/4fcc79a6234b - Steve Workman - Bug 924967 - Add main thread assertions for Cancel in nsLoadGroup, nsHttpChannel and nsInputStreamPump r=mcmanus
2371. # [19:21] <gps> ehsan: i'm well aware of policy requirements :)
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2383. # [19:27] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/5a58e6669962 - Mark Hammond - Bug 927457 - processTokenResponse fails to handle 401 response correctly. r=gps
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2389. # [19:30] <Mossop> Mach should make all commands end with an optional s so I don't need to remember whether to run "mach xpcshell-test" or "mach xpcshell-tests"
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2392. # [19:31] <Ms2ger> mach builds?
2393. # [19:31] <mbrubeck> joduinn, ctalbert: I'd be very interested if the new monitoring software can shed any light on our "weekday problem" where some Talos tests run faster on the weekend (i.e. if we can compare CPU frequencies or temperatures between days)
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2395. # [19:32] <mbrubeck> mach helps!
2396. # [19:32] <ctalbert> mbrubeck: me too
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2403. # [19:34] <gps> Mossop: a levenstein search for mach commands would be useful. patches welcome
2404. # [19:34] <Mossop> "I see you're trying to run tests, would you like some help with that?"
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2406. # [19:35] <nmatsakis> is there a cross-platform macro for ALIGNOF
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2408. # [19:35] <nmatsakis> in particular `alignof()` doesn't seem to work on windows
2409. # [19:35] <froydnj> nmatsakis: MOZ_ALIGNOF?
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2414. # [19:38] <nmatsakis> froydnj: thanks
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2419. # [19:41] <vlad> anyone know how I can get thunderbird to forget about mail older than N days in a folder/account if it wasn't set up for that originally?
2420. # [19:41] <vlad> or do I need to delete the account and recreate?
2421. # [19:43] <akeybl> RyanVM|sheriffduty: not sure if you're still available for an uplift https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=881636
2422. # [19:43] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> akeybl: anything for you :)
2423. # [19:43] <akeybl> aw shucks
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2426. # [19:44] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/4e60867ca4ab - Alexander Surkov - Bug 843926 - Update ATK headers: atkrelationtype.h, r=tbsaunde
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2433. # [19:46] <Mossop> "Only building with pymake or mozmake is supported.. Stop" *sigh*
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2447. # [19:50] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/ac848ab26ba8 - Gregory Szorc - Bug 896379 - Fix build bootstrapper on fresh OS X installs; r=bsmedberg
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2451. # [19:52] <Mossop> What is mozmake?
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2453. # [19:53] <@gavin> gnu make 4.0 compiled for windows with patches from glandium
2454. # [19:53] <@gavin> see https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/mozilla.dev.platform/cm0Jsgr6nr0
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2456. # [19:53] <@gavin> and https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=925605
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2458. # [19:54] <@gavin> (currently optional, but soon to be default since it's so awesome compared to pymake)
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2463. # [19:57] <joduinn> mbrubeck: ctalbert yep, actual data would be great help. Aside, is there anything already in the build/test logs that help track that duration-of-job-changes-during-the-week observation?
2464. # [19:57] <joduinn> (or... hate to ask: is there a bug?)
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2470. # [19:59] <catlee> mbrubeck: the tests themselves run faster? or the overall job?
2471. # [19:59] <NeilAway> ehsan: bah, now I'm hitting this: http://mxr.mozilla.org/comm-central/source/mozilla/widget/windows/JumpListItem.h#45
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2473. # [20:00] <@ehsan> NeilAway: context? :)
2474. # [20:01] <rnewman> gps: done
2475. # [20:01] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/e0daf4f7c665 - Olli Pettay - Bug 918864. r=bz
2476. # [20:01] <@bsmedberg> ehsan: are there any automated tests for "mozdllblockingtest.dll" or was that only to support manual tests?
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2481. # [20:02] <ctalbert> joduinn the bug is Bug 908888
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2483. # [20:03] <@ehsan> bsmedberg: I think it is used for manual tests
2484. # [20:03] <@ehsan> bsmedberg: I've never used it myself though
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2486. # [20:03] <@ehsan> bsmedberg: (perhaps it's something that QA uses?)
2487. # [20:03] <@bsmedberg> that's an amusing thought... I think I can test this in mochitest-chrome and ctypes, though
2488. # [20:04] <@ehsan> yeah I agree
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2490. # [20:04] <@ehsan> that would be really really great in fact
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2492. # [20:04] <@ehsan> it's sort of ironic that we don't test this code
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2501. # [20:09] <mbrubeck> catlee: The tests run faster (or at least they report faster performance results)
2502. # [20:09] <mbrubeck> catlee: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=908888
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2505. # [20:09] <mbrubeck> oh ctalbert beat me to it
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2511. # [20:13] <NeilAway> ehsan: templates
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2516. # [20:14] <catlee> mbrubeck: wow
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2518. # [20:15] <catlee> it's possibly temperature related
2519. # [20:15] <catlee> wouldn't be surprised if the datacenters were cooler over all on the weekends
2520. # [20:15] <@ehsan> NeilAway: hmm, sorry can you please be more specific?
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2522. # [20:16] <NeilAway> ehsan: I think msvc can't work out whether it's supposed to be const T& or const char (&)[N]
2523. # [20:16] <@ehsan> oh I see
2524. # [20:16] <@ehsan> yeah
2525. # [20:16] <@ehsan> that's cost char* iirc
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2527. # [20:17] <NeilAway> ehsan: well, it would be neat if it could be const char(&)[N]
2528. # [20:18] <@ehsan> there is no N, right?
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2536. # [20:20] <joduinn-coffee> mbrubeck: ctalbert thanks for bug#908888. News to me, (dunno if catlee knew of this before now).
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2539. # [20:22] <catlee> I knew we had some bimodal behaviour - didn't know it correlated to time
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2542. # [20:23] <@smaug> ckerschb: FYI, my review queue exploded today, so it may take couple of days before I get to that patch
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2545. # [20:24] <fabrice> smaug: and mine? :P
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2548. # [20:24] <@smaug> fabrice: oh, I should just look at that patch ...
2549. # [20:24] <@smaug> just
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2553. # [20:25] <ckerschb> smaug: sorry about the explosion, and thanks for the heads up, maybe tanvi can look at it first, so it eliminates some of your workload
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2558. # [20:31] <NeilAway> bah, roc sneaked in a whitespace fix which invalidated blame :s
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2562. # [20:34] <@gavin> whitespace changes don't "invalidate blame" any more than any other changes
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2564. # [20:34] <jcranmer|away> what I've always wanted is a "reverse blame" feature
2565. # [20:34] <catlee> who will screw this code up next?
2566. # [20:34] <jcranmer|away> look at an old revision, and tell me which revision since then has changed/deleted the line
2567. # [20:35] <jcranmer|away> more often deleted
2568. # [20:35] <NeilAway> gavin: well, it means that I looked up two unrelated bugs, which is pretty invalid for me
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2572. # [20:37] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/fa7709266585 - Max Vujovic - Bug 913990 - When encountering bogus URI during style computation for filter, fall back to initial value. r=dholbert
2573. # [20:37] <NeilAway> bbondy: I'm trying to make xpcom strings be friends with string literals, but unfortunately I run into problems when you declare a class static character array such as http://mxr.mozilla.org/comm-central/source/mozilla/widget/windows/JumpListItem.h#45 and I'd much prefer something like #define kJumpListCacheDir NS_LITERAL_CSTRING("jumpListCache")
2574. # [20:37] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/ae664f27e663 - Sankha Narayan Guria - Bug 918341 - new Map(iterable) should check that iterator values are objects. r=jorendorff
2575. # [20:38] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/79a1f60d83df - masaya iseki - Bug 909997 - Add JS compiler options at runtime to expand differential testing. r=nbp
2576. # [20:38] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/112e8748b75c - Phoebe Chang - Bug 920877 - Test - blob url with -moz-resolution fragment identifier. r=khuey
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2578. # [20:38] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/98620827025c - Ben Kelly - Bug 927670 - Prepend lib dirs to sys.path in jit_test.py to avoid conflicts. r=terrence
2579. # [20:38] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/899981761c7d - JW Wang - Bug 927322 - AudioDestinationNode should support weak reference; r=ehsan
2580. # [20:38] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/ae8714cdf381 - Phoebe Chang - Bug 920877 - Remove fragment identifier in nsHostObjectProtocolHandler before matching the URI. r=khuey
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2582. # [20:39] <jcranmer|away> NeilAway: I'd rather get rid of those NS_LITERAL macros
2583. # [20:39] <jcranmer|away> macros are evil
2584. # [20:39] <sfink> smaug: ping
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2587. # [20:40] <NeilAway> jcranmer|away: well, I've got it down to #define NS_LITERAL_CSTRING(s) static_cast<const nsDependentCString&>(nsDependentString(s))
2588. # [20:40] <NeilAway> +C
2589. # [20:40] <jcranmer|away> NeilAway: wouldn't it make more sense to make an nsLiteralString per the literal string bug?
2590. # [20:40] <@ehsan> nice!
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2592. # [20:41] <@ehsan> jcranmer|away: (please cc me on that bug?)
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2594. # [20:42] <NeilAway> jcranmer|away: I guess I could, and then fix the 30 users of nsDependentCString("foo")?
2595. # [20:43] <jimm> yay, hung make processes are back again with mozmake.
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2597. # [20:43] <tbsaunde> or just make that nsDependentCString constructor not explicit?
2598. # [20:43] <jcranmer|away> hmm
2599. # [20:43] <NeilAway> tbsaunde: not sure how that helps?
2600. # [20:43] <@smaug> sfink: pong
2601. # [20:43] <jcranmer|away> I can't find that bug anymore?
2602. # [20:44] <@ehsan> jimm: please let glandium/gps know
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2604. # [20:44] <NeilAway> ehsan: 514173
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2606. # [20:44] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/e1226725f674 - Benjamin Bouvier - Bug 918613 - Specialize some Maths function calls for Float32 in Ion. r=sstangl
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2608. # [20:44] <@ehsan> NeilAway: thanks
2609. # [20:45] <sfink> smaug: uh oh, I just read your scrollback. Is this the effect of bz's PTO? Anyway, I was pestering you for the same reason -- I have one more small patch in bug 925916, and a green try run, so I can finally land with one more review.
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2612. # [20:45] <tbsaunde> NeilAway: you can kill the macr and just have metho foo(nsAString&) and pass it "foo" and I think things work?
2613. # [20:45] <NeilAway> ehsan: also, my wip patches don't work
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2615. # [20:45] <@ehsan> NeilAway: why?
2616. # [20:45] <sfink> smaug: I can shift it to eg qdot if you need me to
2617. # [20:45] <@smaug> sfink: I guess just bad luck :)
2618. # [20:45] <NeilAway> tbsaunde: then the constructor would have to be on nsTSubstring
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2620. # [20:45] <NeilAway> ehsan: because of const char* overloads
2621. # [20:45] <tbsaunde> NeilAway: hrm, yeah
2622. # [20:45] <@smaug> sfink: I could review that now
2623. # [20:46] <sfink> smaug: awesome, thanks!
2624. # [20:46] <@ehsan> NeilAway: if you can show me a patch and point me to the problem, maybe I can help?
2625. # [20:46] <jcranmer|away> I would very much like to add const char_type&[N] overloads to nsTSubstring
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2627. # [20:46] <NeilAway> ehsan: you are already helping, why do you think I asked you a few hours ago?
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2629. # [20:46] <@ehsan> lol
2630. # [20:46] <jcranmer|away> especially now that char16_t has landed
2631. # [20:46] <@ehsan> well that's good to know :)
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2633. # [20:46] <NeilAway> jcranmer|away: sure, I'll look into that as soon as I get the patch working again
2634. # [20:47] <jcranmer|away> [seriously, typedef char16_t PRUnichar makes the string code a lot happier]
2635. # [20:47] <sfink> smaug: er, wait. Sorry for the noise. Looks like you already got it!
2636. # [20:47] <@ehsan> fine guys, you made me start watching Core::String now
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2638. # [20:47] <@ehsan> hope you're happy with what you did
2639. # [20:47] <sfink> \o/
2640. # [20:47] <sfink> smaug++
2641. # [20:47] <jcranmer|away> our string classes are a mess
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2645. # [20:49] <bbondy> NeilAway back let me know if you need anything still
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2647. # [20:49] <Ms2ger> jcranmer|away, how does it make the code happier?
2648. # [20:49] <jcranmer|away> Ms2ger: it means that the PRUnichar* is decltype(MOZ_UTF16(""))
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2653. # [20:50] <jcranmer|away> which makes literal strings much simpler, and also lets us kill the horrible anti-pattern of NS_LITERAL_STRING("foo").get()
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2659. # [20:50] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/a88f40be25e7 - Ryan VanderMeulen - Backed out changeset 79a1f60d83df (bug 909997) for bustage.
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2664. # [20:52] <NeilAway> bbondy: for 514173 I'm trying to construct an nsDependentString from a string literal
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2668. # [20:52] <NeilAway> bbondy: but unfortuantely the template trips up over a class const char[] member
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2670. # [20:53] <bbondy> trips up in which way?
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2675. # [20:54] <bbondy> vs. const char[] variables not part of a class?
2676. # [20:54] <NeilAway> bbondy: well, the template for a literal string is const char (&)[N] but the compiler doesn't know what N is in the case of kJumpListCacheDir
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2678. # [20:55] <NeilAway> bbondy: not sure, not tripped over one as yet at least ;-)
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2683. # [20:57] <bbondy> feel free to change it if you want to
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2685. # [20:57] <bbondy> not sure how common we do that across the tree though
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2687. # [20:57] <NeilAway> bbondy: well, I get to find out ;-)
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2689. # [20:58] <bbondy> :)
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2701. # [21:12] <KWierso|sheriffduty> fabrice: ping
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2704. # [21:13] <fabrice> KWierso|sheriffduty: pong
2705. # [21:13] <KWierso|sheriffduty> fabrice: any of these oranges look like your patch's fault? https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=B2g-Inbound&rev=92ad60388975
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2707. # [21:14] <fabrice> KWierso|sheriffduty: yes :(
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2710. # [21:14] <fabrice> please back me out
2711. # [21:14] <KWierso|sheriffduty> can do, thanks :)
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2716. # [21:18] <bkelly> can anyone tell me what SVG-ASAP is? http://graphs.mozilla.org/graph.html#tests=[[281,131,33]]&sel=1381923343000,1382096143000&displayrange=7&datatype=running
2717. # [21:19] * terrence-brb is now known as terrence
2718. # [21:20] <froydnj> avih: ^ ?
2719. # [21:20] <bkelly> I got a regression email regarding a push with my change on that branch... trying to figure out if I need to do something. http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/pushloghtml?fromchange=883941b3f927&tochange=45d9e6cd3473
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2722. # [21:21] <froydnj> bkelly: roc's pushes look a lot more likely to have changed that test than yours
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2724. # [21:21] <bkelly> froydnj, oh, SVG-ASAP is a particular test? I guess that would make sense
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2737. # [21:27] <sicking> julienw: hrm.. why are we adding more APIs for "run in firefox"? I thought that devtools were now at the point that running in simulator was a pretty good alternative?
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2748. # [21:31] <froydnj> KWierso|sheriffduty: do you know what the heck is going on here: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=29265353&tree=Try
2749. # [21:32] <froydnj> "Marionette exited with return code 0: harness failures" does not fill me with happiness
2750. # [21:32] * armenzg_brb is now known as armenzg
2751. # [21:32] <froydnj> but I can't figure out what the heck is actually going wrong
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2753. # [21:32] <KWierso|sheriffduty> froydnj: nope
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2755. # [21:33] <froydnj> KWierso|sheriffduty: so landing a patch with those failures is good, sweet, ty ;)
2756. # [21:33] * KWierso|sheriffduty preemptively closes all trees
2757. # [21:33] <KWierso|sheriffduty> :P
2758. # [21:34] <froydnj> landing to spite KWierso|sheriffduty on a CLOSED TREE
2759. # [21:34] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/592e9e9d033b - Jan de Mooij - Bug 909401 - Fix MacroAssembler::tagValue to not assert if the input register is the same as the output type register. r=nbp, a=akeybl
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2763. # [21:37] <vlad> ehsan: you use tbird for bugmail, how do you deal with large bugmail folders?
2764. # [21:37] <vlad> or do you delete?
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2766. # [21:37] <@ehsan> vlad: I do use tbird, I have grown used to the fact that it doesn't let me use its main thread all the time
2767. # [21:37] <@ehsan> (I don't delete)
2768. # [21:37] <vlad> oh.
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2770. # [21:37] <@ehsan> vlad: pro tip, disable gloda
2771. # [21:37] <vlad> yeah, that's the issue I was dealing with
2772. # [21:37] <vlad> gloda = indexing? I just did that
2773. # [21:37] <@ehsan> yes
2774. # [21:37] <vlad> I want it to just fetch the last 30 days worth of mail
2775. # [21:37] <@ehsan> then let it run for a few days until it syncs up everything
2776. # [21:38] <vlad> I don't see how to do that
2777. # [21:38] <@ehsan> oh
2778. # [21:38] <@ehsan> I don't know how to do that
2779. # [21:38] <vlad> I think even if I set 30 days in the config, it'll still get headers for everything
2780. # [21:38] <@ehsan> I have bugmail from the 20th century in my folder ;)
2781. # [21:38] <vlad> yeah :)
2782. # [21:38] <@ehsan> why do you care about the 30 day limit?
2783. # [21:38] <@ehsan> (I filter based on threads with unread)_
2784. # [21:38] <vlad> because that would let me use its main thread
2785. # [21:38] <@ehsan> nope
2786. # [21:38] <vlad> I use gmail for everything else, I can usefullly search there
2787. # [21:38] <@ehsan> it won't ;)
2788. # [21:38] <vlad> well, a lot more often than now!
2789. # [21:39] <@ehsan> yeah maybe
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2793. # [21:39] <clb> vlad: sorry, I didn't report *that* many conformance test failures, did I? :p
2794. # [21:40] <vlad> clb: oh man, you are not even a drup in the bucket of my bugmail
2795. # [21:40] <clb> haha
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2806. # [21:45] <julienw> sicking, well, yesterday we couldn't launch apps...
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2809. # [21:46] <sicking> god damnit
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2811. # [21:46] <julienw> sicking, for the sms app use case, it's just easier (and we're used to it). F5 instead of "hitting reload with the mouse"
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2813. # [21:47] <sicking> julienw: what's "reload with the mouse"?
2814. # [21:47] <julienw> sicking, in the devtools, you reload an app with a reload button
2815. # [21:47] <julienw> that's not F5 :)
2816. # [21:48] <julienw> the app runs inside the system app
2817. # [21:48] <sicking> julienw: that really does not seem like a blocker?
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2819. # [21:48] <julienw> this makes a lot of things work (eg activities)
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2821. # [21:48] <sicking> julienw: "this"?
2822. # [21:48] <julienw> running in the system app
2823. # [21:48] <julienw> I'd say both ways are useful ..
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2825. # [21:49] <sicking> no, we absolutely need to move to running in simulator/b2gdesktop
2826. # [21:49] <fabrice> julienw: what's wrong with b2g-desktop + remote debugging these days?
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2828. # [21:49] <WeirdAl> does XPConnect warn when JS code tries to write 16-bit strings to 8-bit string interfaces?
2829. # [21:49] <sicking> julienw: it's not ok that we're spending resources on two development environments
2830. # [21:49] <Ms2ger> WeirdAl, what do you mean, exactly?
2831. # [21:49] <sicking> julienw: and it means that we only have half as many people that can help you with development because the other half is using the other development environment
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2833. # [21:50] <julienw> fabrice, sicking : really, you're not launching and reloading an app 100 times a day
2834. # [21:50] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/601fb3354112 - Brian Hackett - Bug 922270 - Don't construct template objects during IonBuilder, r=jandem.
2835. # [21:50] * philor is now known as philor|away
2836. # [21:50] <julienw> sicking, that's not really 2 development environments, we're still using the devtools..
2837. # [21:50] <sicking> julienw: i'm all for fixing b2gdesktop before we make the switch, but we need to work on fixing that rather than work on improving our workarounds
2838. # [21:51] <sicking> julienw: tell me what's wrong with b2g desktop and i'll work on getting it fixed
2839. # [21:51] <fabrice> julienw: which app are you reloading 100 times?
2840. # [21:51] <sicking> julienw: if f5 is a blocker, i'll get someone on that
2841. # [21:51] <julienw> fabrice, the sms app, you know, while I'm debugging stuff
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2844. # [21:51] <sicking> myk: ping
2845. # [21:51] <fabrice> and so? what prevents you from reloading it?
2846. # [21:52] <julienw> sicking, I'll dedicate my tomorrow using only b2g + remote debugging and report if it's usable enough for me.
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2848. # [21:52] <WeirdAl> Ms2ger: well, I've been creating instances of nsIStringInputStream, and setting the data field from a JS string that could be 16-bit characters
2849. # [21:52] <ted> https://pastebin.mozilla.org/3280423
2850. # [21:52] <sicking> julienw: thanks! I really appreciate it
2851. # [21:52] <ted> does this shutdown assertion look familiar to anyone?
2852. # [21:52] <Ms2ger> WeirdAl, then we convert it
2853. # [21:53] <WeirdAl> can you show me where and how?
2854. # [21:53] * terrence is now known as terrence-lunch
2855. # [21:53] <ted> looks like dom::quota::QuotaManager is getting the xpcom-shutdown notification, trying to shutdown a thread, but then gets a timer notification while spinning that thread's event loop that tries to shut the thread down
2856. # [21:53] <julienw> sicking, I think we'll still need that pref to have the API in the unit tests
2857. # [21:53] * nthomas|away is now known as nthomas
2858. # [21:53] <Ms2ger> WeirdAl, probably... Let me check
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2860. # [21:53] <julienw> sicking, the unit tests are not running in b2g (yet ?)
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2862. # [21:54] <spohl> ted: any particular use case that triggers this assertion?
2863. # [21:54] * deian is now known as deian|away
2864. # [21:54] <Ms2ger> WeirdAl, oh, wait, utf8string or acstring?
2865. # [21:54] <ted> spohl: don't think so, i just ran this debug build to test some other changes i made (unrelated to any of that code)
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2867. # [21:55] <ted> i was testing some gamepad api changes
2868. # [21:55] <WeirdAl> Ms2ger: just passing in a string literal from JS, and the length field
2869. # [21:55] <ted> loaded a test page, then quit the browser and hit that assertion
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2871. # [21:55] <julienw> sicking, report from a dev who tried it: we need to constantly switch tabs between the FFOS control tab to reload the app, then to the console tab to see messages, then the debugger tab to debug, then the FFOS control tab to reload again, and that it is a nightmare (right now)
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2873. # [21:56] <Ms2ger> WeirdAl, ugh, plain string :/
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2875. # [21:56] <WeirdAl> Ms2ger: meaning loss of data?
2876. # [21:56] <Ms2ger> WeirdAl, looking...
2877. # [21:56] <spohl> ted: well, bug 817700 just landed which makes canvas.toBlob async. not sure if that could be related
2878. # [21:56] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/d0097bc342f9 - Steve Fink - Bug 925916 - Handlify a few things in bluetooth, r=smaug
2879. # [21:56] * WeirdAl thinks he's been doing things wrong for a while now ;)
2880. # [21:56] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/2af6130b15e0 - Steve Fink - Bug 925916 - Handlify WrapNative, r=smaug
2881. # [21:56] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/cfe47cb78e84 - Steve Fink - Bug 925916 - Handlify various things in XPConnect, r=bholley
2882. # [21:56] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/28d01dfcb357 - Steve Fink - Bug 925916 - Random minor code cleanups, r=smaug
2883. # [21:57] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/e4c43a39c0f6 - Steve Fink - Bug 925916 - Handlify WrapNative in content/, r=smaug
2884. # [21:57] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/1aae4861f351 - Steve Fink - Bug 925916 - Add some handles to dom/bindings, r=bz
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2886. # [21:57] <sfink> oh, dang it
2887. # [21:57] <Ms2ger> WeirdAl, yeah, looks like it deflates :/
2888. # [21:57] <sfink> those should have been landed as one patch
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2890. # [21:57] <ted> spohl: i don't really know anything about dom::QuotaManager :-/
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2892. # [21:57] <WeirdAl> Ms2ger: is it something XPConnect would at least log a NS_WARNING about?
2893. # [21:57] <Ms2ger> sfink, do they build on their own?
2894. # [21:57] <sfink> Ms2ger: not even close
2895. # [21:57] <@ehsan> spohl: ask janv
2896. # [21:58] <Ms2ger> WeirdAl, yep: "jschar out of char range; high bits of data lost: 0x%x"
2897. # [21:58] <Ms2ger> To stderr
2898. # [21:58] <Ms2ger> https://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/js/xpconnect/src/XPCConvert.cpp#559
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2900. # [21:58] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/f79bd144c148 - Trevor Saunders - Bug 881636 - Don't try to update accessibles without their own content in DocAccessible::UpdateTree(). r=surkov, a=akeybl
2901. # [21:58] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/3720d4e9348f - Olli Pettay - Bug 918864. r=bz, a=abillings
2902. # [21:59] <WeirdAl> Ms2ger: not seeing it
2903. # [21:59] <spohl> ted: me neither… :-(
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2905. # [21:59] <Ms2ger> WeirdAl, CheckJSCharInCharRange does it
2906. # [21:59] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/a6c52aabcdec - Jon Coppeard - Bug 923183 - Make StackFrame mark callee value and this where present r=jandem
2907. # [21:59] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/db52454329c6 - Jon Coppeard - Bug 927031 - Use MPostWriteBarrier to postbarrier SetElementIC r=jandem
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2910. # [22:00] <spohl> ehsan: you mean ask janv if https://pastebin.mozilla.org/3280423 could be due to bug 817700? I shall hereby have done so. :-) janv, any ideas?
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2913. # [22:00] <@ehsan> spohl: he's the person to talk to about the quota manager
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2916. # [22:01] <stephend> o hai
2917. # [22:01] <spohl> ehsan: ah, thanks!
2918. # [22:01] <stephend> who's working on xpconnect these days?
2919. # [22:01] * WeirdAl looks up JS_EncodeStringToBuffer
2920. # [22:01] <WeirdAl> hey stephend, ltns
2921. # [22:01] <stephend> heya WeirdAl
2922. # [22:01] <@smaug> stephend: bholley
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2924. # [22:01] <@ehsan> stephend: bholly
2925. # [22:01] <stephend> cool
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2927. # [22:01] <stephend> I just filed https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=928066
2928. # [22:01] <stephend> hopefully he has a Hamachi :-)
2929. # [22:02] <WeirdAl> what's a Hamachi? :p
2930. # [22:02] <stephend> B2G device :-)
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2932. # [22:03] <@smaug> stephend: that could be a bug mccr8 is fixing
2933. # [22:03] <stephend> oh?
2934. # [22:03] <stephend> do you have a # handy?
2935. # [22:03] <stephend> btw, on that device, the rendering of ringmark is really messed up
2936. # [22:03] <sfink> I just touched that code in bug 925916 too
2937. # [22:04] <@smaug> can't recall the bug
2938. # [22:04] * Ms2ger doesn't have good memories of ringmark
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2941. # [22:05] <stephend> Ms2ger: heh
2942. # [22:06] <NeilAway> ehsan: so, next problem is that char (&)[N] decays to const char (&)[N] ...
2943. # [22:06] <stephend> long time no see, NeilAway :-)
2944. # [22:06] <stephend> cheers
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2946. # [22:06] <WeirdAl> Ms2ger: so I should really be using a different input stream type, like nsIUnicharInputStream?
2947. # [22:06] <Ms2ger> WeirdAl, sounds plausible
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2960. # [22:12] <gaston> oh my
2961. # [22:12] <gaston> such nice mixed use of X_CFLAGS and XCFLAGS in configure...
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2963. # [22:13] <janv> spohl: hey
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2965. # [22:14] <@ehsan> NeilAway: you should be able to use an explicit overload to catch that, right?
2966. # [22:15] <spohl> janv: hi there
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2971. # [22:16] <janv> spohl: so, what's up ?
2972. # [22:16] <spohl> janv: I might have seen ted's assertion myself while working on bug 817700, but haven't seen any problems in a long time
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2974. # [22:16] <janv> hm, looking at your patches
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2977. # [22:16] <spohl> janv: so was wondering if you had more insight into ted's assertion (https://pastebin.mozilla.org/3280423) and if it could be related to bug 817700
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2987. # [22:20] <@ehsan> vlad: 927726, 927727...
2988. # [22:21] <vlad> ehsan: thanks bugzilla!
2989. # [22:22] <@ehsan> :)
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2991. # [22:22] <vlad> I filed the bug with an attachment, typo'd a reviewer name
2992. # [22:22] <vlad> I went back, fixed it, resubmitted
2993. # [22:22] <vlad> then it told me both that I had an invalid cookie but also asked me to re-upload the attachment
2994. # [22:22] <vlad> so I reuploaded and hit submit
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2996. # [22:23] <vlad> then I was taken to a bug that didn't have an attachment at all... so I added an attachment (which was ..727, because it had the r? on it)
2997. # [22:23] <vlad> but somewhere along the way 726 also got submitted I guess
2998. # [22:23] <@ehsan> vlad: so it went to the trouble of giving you an error message, but actually misled you in the process
2999. # [22:23] <@ehsan> yeah, that does sound like bugzilla
3000. # [22:23] <Unfocused> peterv: awesome - thankyou! :)
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3005. # [22:25] <janv> spohl: hm, I don't think it's related to your changes
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3007. # [22:26] <janv> spohl: looks like a bug in LazyIdleThread impl
3008. # [22:26] <janv> maybe file a new bug
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3013. # [22:27] <spohl> janv: phew! (bug 817700 has been backed out wayy too many times)
3014. # [22:27] <janv> ?
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3016. # [22:27] <spohl> ted: would you take the lead on filing the bug with your assertion (and maybe steps to repro)?
3017. # [22:27] <janv> "I don't think it's related to your changes"
3018. # [22:28] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/253257d650a6 - William Chen - Bug 925907 - Check for IN_SELECT_IN_TABLE in "reset the insertion mode" in HTML5 parser. r=hsivonen
3019. # [22:28] <spohl> janv: right, that's why I said 'phew' :-)
3020. # [22:28] <janv> ah
3021. # [22:28] <janv> ok
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3023. # [22:28] <janv> I see now
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3025. # [22:28] <spohl> janv: thank you for looking into it!
3026. # [22:28] <janv> sure
3027. # [22:28] <spohl> janv: just getting a bit paranoid that there's something that could lead to a backout again, which I'm desperately trying to avoid. so I appreciate your looking into it!
3028. # [22:29] <janv> sure, no problem
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3033. # [22:31] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/03b50ae14f9b - Fernando Jiménez - Bug 927398 - Missing call to .uninit() in DOMRequestHelper. r=fabrice
3034. # [22:31] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/5349c5c0d9f8 - Fernando Jiménez - Bug 924971 - [Contacts] Trying to add a contact as a recipient opens contact details instead of returning to Messages app. r=fabrice
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3047. # [22:35] <WeirdAl> Ms2ger: so how might I correctly convert from a nsIUnicharInputStream to a nsIInputStream that I can feed to the input stream pump?
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3051. # [22:37] <WeirdAl> never mind, I need to read up on the target (the SAX reader code, how it converts from parseFromString to parseFromStream)
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3056. # [22:41] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/dbc405bc63b5 - Jim Blandy - Bug 927633: It should be okay for roots registered with JS_Add***Root to be NULL. r=sfink
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3065. # [22:43] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/be74b680717b - Jim Blandy - Bug 927655: Make SpiderMonkey's GDB pretty-printer tests call JS_Init, as required. DONTBUILD r=sfink
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3068. # [22:44] <Ms2ger> WeirdAl, no idea
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3098. # [22:57] <myk> ah, sicking: pong
3099. # [22:57] <myk> sicking: but i'm heading into a meeting; unsure how responsive i'll be able to be
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3102. # [22:58] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/91993a2ea998 - Jonathan Griffin - Bug 758835 - Add ability to mark tests as expected failures in the manifest, r=dburns
3103. # [22:59] <sicking> myk: where do i file bugs on simulator?
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3105. # [22:59] <sicking> myk: i want to make it so that pressing F5 reloads the current app
3106. # [23:00] <myk> sicking: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=Firefox&component=Developer%20Tools%3A%20App%20Manager
3107. # [23:00] <myk> sicking: although i think ochameau already has a bug on that
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3114. # [23:01] <ochameau> sicking: myk we have bug 920481, that should land soon and will make the "update" button, really usefull and also reload the app
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3117. # [23:03] <ochameau> sicking: myk we have bug 922707 for some even better workflow, but not only specific to the simulator. Now, we the app manager, we target both device and simulator with a similar experience
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3119. # [23:03] <sicking> ochameau: hmm.. i think the request is specifically for having a keyboard action since it's such a common thing to do
3120. # [23:04] <sicking> julienw_afk: can you file a bug so that you can describe exactly what it is that you need
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3122. # [23:06] <sicking> ochameau: ooh, bug 922707 sounds right
3123. # [23:06] <sicking> julienw_afk: i cc'ed you on bug 922707, please let people know how you want it to work
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3126. # [23:07] <myk> sicking: i.e. the equivalent of Ctrl/Cmd-R in the old version of the simulator, which refreshed the active app
3127. # [23:08] <sicking> myk: yup, that sounds right
3128. # [23:08] <myk> ochameau: that feature was a big win in the "classic" simulator; it's worth implementing in the new one, even if it's a simulator-specific feature; not all such features need to be integrated into the app manager and useful for both simulator and device
3129. # [23:08] <sicking> myk: btw, are there plans to merge b2g desktop and simulator?
3130. # [23:09] <ochameau> oh I'm in the same office than julien, so I think we will easily synchronize about that ;)
3131. # [23:09] <sicking> ochameau++!
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3133. # [23:09] <myk> sicking: no plans that i know of; but ochameau can do it if anyone can!
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3135. # [23:11] <sicking> myk: are you in SF today? Can you ping me when you have 30 minutes?
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3138. # [23:11] <ochameau> I think the only one big user of b2g desktop is releng and test infra
3139. # [23:12] <sicking> ochameau: well.. simulator builds on top of b2g desktop, no?
3140. # [23:12] <cpearce> have the mozmake + "export MOZ_PSEUDO_DERECURSE=no-pymake" changes made it to work on mozilla-central yet?
3141. # [23:13] * philor|away is now known as philor
3142. # [23:13] <ochameau> yes we are building the simulator addon by shipping b2g runtime from ftp builds, but we don't use its gaia and have additional chrome code
3143. # [23:13] <sicking> ochameau: what do you mean by "don't use its gaia"?
3144. # [23:13] <ochameau> we strip the gaia profile that is in b2g desktop builds
3145. # [23:14] <ochameau> and use a custom one
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3147. # [23:14] <sicking> ochameau: what's different about the custom one?
3148. # [23:14] <fabrice> ochameau: did you move to 1.2 yet?
3149. # [23:15] <ochameau> we have two simulator builds so far: 1.2 ad 1.3
3150. # [23:15] <myk> sicking: i'm in SF today! i have exactly 30 minutes from 3:30 - 4
3151. # [23:15] <myk> sicking: plus another 30 minutes from 4:30 - 5
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3153. # [23:16] <sicking> myk: sold! I'll grab the first one :)
3154. # [23:16] <sicking> myk: where do you live?
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3156. # [23:16] <sicking> …when you're working
3157. # [23:16] <ochameau> sicking: we have custom gaia flag, where we enable some of the gaia addon helper.
3158. # [23:16] <myk> sicking: my "home" is on the seventh floor; but have elevator, will travel!
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3161. # [23:17] <sicking> myk: i'm there too, so just ping me and let me know where when you are free
3162. # [23:17] <sicking> ochameau: what does the gaia addon helper do?
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3167. # [23:20] <ochameau> sicking: very random stuff to make gaia work better on desktop runtime (we have common fixes for firefox and b2g desktop). Like proper touch event (a part of it recently moved to m-c)
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3169. # [23:20] <myk> sicking: will do!
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3171. # [23:21] <ochameau> sicking: it also mock some apis that doesn't work on desktop yet
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3174. # [23:21] <sicking> ochameau: such as?
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3179. # [23:23] <@bsmedberg> see with http://copy.sh/v24/ we could run the Chrome pepper version of Flash... http://copy.sh/v24/
3180. # [23:23] <@bsmedberg> I wonder if it does asm.js
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3187. # [23:25] <JonathanS> I am noticed about Firefox supports i386 NPAPI in OS X. Is there is any Carbon plugins left?
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3189. # [23:25] <ochameau> sicking: bluetooth, cameras, icc_manager, ... https://github.com/mozilla-b2g/gaia/tree/master/tools/extensions/desktop-helper/content/data/lib
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3206. # [23:31] <NeilAway> ehsan: yeah, I would, if I had remembered to put the explicit keyword in the right place :s
3207. # [23:32] <@ehsan> NeilAway: isn't C++ joyous? ;)
3208. # [23:32] <MattN> ehsan: pong (I saw the comment on the bug)
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3213. # [23:32] <rillian> gps: is there a way to include source file lists from external fragments with moz.build? I notice CSRCS is still in media/libopus/Makefile.in
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3221. # [23:34] <NeilAway> stephend: hi there
3222. # [23:34] * stephend waves
3223. # [23:34] * WeirdAl finds his answer: nsIScriptableUConv.idl
3224. # [23:34] <WeirdAl> should've used that from the beginning
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3227. # [23:36] <reuben> https://pastebin.mozilla.org/3280935 what?
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3229. # [23:36] <reuben> I want to run a test, not build the tree
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3231. # [23:37] <reuben> damn, and now I forgot all the commands for running mochitest that are not mach :P
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3235. # [23:39] <mbrubeck> 66 things to unify: http://bugzil.la/unify
3236. # [23:40] <nalexander> reuben: look in testing/testsuite-targets.mk
3237. # [23:40] <froydnj> cpearce: no, don't believe they have (mozillabuild needs updating, for one)
3238. # [23:41] <reuben> nalexander: MDN to the rescue :P
3239. # [23:41] <nalexander> reuben: or that.
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3257. # [23:47] <myk> sicking: my 1.5 hour meeting from 2 - 3:30 has ended early! i'm on your side of the building, in warfield; free already?
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3274. # [23:51] <sicking> myk: i'll be there
3275. # [23:51] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/999ed39dc0e7 - Olli Pettay - Bug 927586 - [@ nsDOMWindowUtils::GetIsTestControllingRefreshes(bool*)], add a null check, r=mccr
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3289. # [23:57] <stephend> heya mccr8
3290. # [23:57] <mccr8> hello
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3292. # [23:57] <stephend> I'm in MV, if for any reason you need to see the bug/device, etc. :-)
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3294. # [23:57] <mccr8> ok, thanks! I have a patch in progress somewhere.
3295. # [23:58] <stephend> ah, cool
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3297. # [23:58] <mccr8> I couldn't reproduce on desktop
3298. # [23:58] <stephend> yeah, me neither
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3300. # [23:58] <mccr8> stephend: it happens most/all of the time on the device though?
3301. # [23:59] <stephend> mccr8: yep
3302. # [23:59] <stephend> just had it happen right now :-)
3303. # [23:59] <stephend> mccr8: would a logcat help?
3304. # [23:59] <stephend> I don't know how to trim it down, sadly
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