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# Session Start: Wed Oct 30 00:00:00 2013
# Session Ident: #developers
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# [00:02] <jcranmer|away> gps: mozilla doesn't have a coding style; we have at least 7
# [00:02] <jcranmer|away> sometimes, we have all of them in one file
# [00:02] <glandium> jcranmer|away: 7? I'd say more
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# [00:04] <Unfocused> i think you missed a digit
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# [00:06] <mwu> RyanVM|afk: er, taking a look
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# [00:07] <mwu> wait, how is it burning?
# [00:08] <gwagner> dbaron: ping
# [00:08] <mwu> also jb emu is burning..
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# [00:08] <mwu> RyanVM|afk: I think tbpl is pointing at the wrong thing in the log
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# [00:08] <KWierso|sheriffduty> tbsaunde: ping
# [00:08] <gwagner> dholbert: ping
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# [00:09] <dholbert> gwagner, impending meeting; can it wait a bit?
# [00:09] <gwagner> dholbert: sure
# [00:09] <dholbert> gwagner, cool. Try me in ~30m
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# [00:13] <@bsmedberg> mkaply: the pref is set to true, but all that does is expose the *option* in the addon manager
# [00:14] <@bsmedberg> mkaply: so user now can set silverlight as click-to-activate, but it's not the default until ff26
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# [00:14] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/031133c03e86 - Wes Kocher - Backed out changeset 6a613a7288e1 (bug 931399) for breaking the build on at least Windows on a CLOSED TREE
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# [00:16] <@bsmedberg> mkaply: are you on firefox-dev?
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# [00:18] <mwu> wow everything is closed
# [00:18] <mkaply> bsmedberg: No. I don't follow any groups/lists. No time/energy
# [00:19] <mkaply> I guess I should. I'm missing things
# [00:19] <@bsmedberg> mkaply: at least you should know about https://mail.mozilla.org/pipermail/firefox-dev/2013-October/001052.html since you're working in the area
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# [00:19] * Waldo wonders if we could make the "The character encoding of..." console warning only fire if the document contains those too-large characters, or something
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# [00:19] <philor> heh, if we're retriggering for the win debug mochitest-2, we're going to have a long retrigger
# [00:19] <Waldo> data: URLs are kinda painful in concert with the console when you have to see that every time
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# [00:20] <mkaply> bsmedberg: Yeah, I think you guys should give up on the doorhanger for this and switch to a notifications.
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# [00:21] <mcsmurf> Waldo: yeah, I also wondered about that warning..
# [00:21] <@bsmedberg> mkaply: that's certainly not happening when the content is visible in the page, which is still the 80-90% case
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# [00:21] <mcsmurf> but then I did not wonder (enough) yet to care that much
# [00:21] <mkaply> bsmedberg: yeah, agreed. I mean in the invisible content case
# [00:21] <@bsmedberg> yeah
# [00:22] <@bsmedberg> that makes me sad, because it definitely harms the "drive-by plugins delivered via ad networks" case, which is one of the primary cases
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# [00:23] <mkaply> But doesn't even something like Pandora use a hidden flash plugin?
# [00:23] <seth> anyone tried (1) building m-c and (2) debugging on mavericks?
# [00:23] <@bsmedberg> Flash isn't in play
# [00:23] <Waldo> mcsmurf: heh, same-ish
# [00:24] <philor> oh, convenient, now win bc is OOM
# [00:24] <reuben> seth: m-c builds fine, debugging is broken even on 10.8, you need to install a newer gdb
# [00:24] <philor> mccr8 / njn : got any magic to sprinkle on the tree?
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# [00:24] <seth> reuben: thanks for the info. have the instructions for installing a newer gdb changed on 10.9 or is it the same procedure?
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# [00:25] * seth remembers having some difficulties with that at some point
# [00:25] <reuben> seth: |brew install gdb|, create certificate, codesign binary, kill taskgated
# [00:25] <mccr8> philor: sorry
# [00:25] <reuben> seth: signing instructions on http://sourceware.org/gdb/wiki/BuildingOnDarwin
# [00:26] <philor> well, we could always back out njn as being the source of our every problem...
# [00:26] <seth> reuben: thanks =)
# [00:26] <reuben> np
# [00:27] <reuben> seth: file build issues blocking 894090, other issues blocking 883824
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# [00:33] <mwu> KWierso|sheriffduty: I think I'm gonna back out the hamachi change again, but it looks like intermittent red..
# [00:33] <KWierso|sheriffduty> mwu: okay
# [00:33] <mwu> it's just the change I made keeps pointing to itself when things go red
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# [00:39] <@njn> philor: just finished 2 meetings, about to start trying stuff
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# [00:42] <kamidphish> I'm trying to join #b2g, but I get a message that I need a registered nick. What does that mean?
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# [00:43] <@njn> kamidphish: https://wiki.mozilla.org/IRC#Register_your_nickname
# [00:44] <kamidphish> njn: Thanks. I'm an IRC n00b
# [00:44] <@njn> kamidphish: you should be able to set up your client to auto-run the |identify| command
# [00:44] <@njn> kamidphish: when you log onto moznet
# [00:45] <mak_> leave
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# [00:45] <mwu> KWierso_: backed out
# [00:45] <mwu> KWierso|sheriffduty: ^
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# [00:46] <KWierso|sheriffduty> thanks
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# [00:46] <kamidphish> njn: I just switched from Colloquy to Textual. Perhaps that caused this issue?
# [00:46] <mwu> I'll take a closer look in the morning to see how things turn out
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# [00:46] <@njn> kamidphish: no idea
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# [00:50] <@njn> philor: backing out all the pldhash patches is one of the things (but not the only thing) I'm trying, as a control
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# [00:55] <bz_dinner> God
# [00:55] <bz_dinner> I hate windows.h
# [00:55] <bz_dinner> so so much
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# [00:56] <bz_dinner> "CreateEvent is not a member of nsIDOMDocument"
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# [00:56] <bz_dinner> wtf?
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# [00:57] <bz_dinner> So this file used to include Windows.h
# [00:57] <bz_dinner> er, windows.h
# [00:57] <seth> if I have an nsAString, how can i check if it contains a certain substring?
# [00:57] <bz_dinner> vis nsScreen.h
# [00:57] <seth> the mdn article on this seems to be out of date
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# [00:57] <seth> presumably you don't use FindInReadable anymore?
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# [00:58] <bz_dinner> hrm
# [00:58] <bz_dinner> You actually do
# [00:58] <@khuey> bz_dinner: so say we all
# [00:59] <bz_dinner> So I don't get it
# [00:59] <bz_dinner> nsGlobalWindow.cpp includes nsScreen.h
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# [00:59] <bz_dinner> then nsIDOMDocument.h later
# [00:59] <bz_dinner> nsScreen.h was pulling in windows.h
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# [00:59] <bz_dinner> which presumably redefined the CreateEvent bits for everything after that point
# [00:59] <bz_dinner> I changed nsScreen.h to not pull in windows.h
# [00:59] <seth> oh wait
# [00:59] <bz_dinner> and now nsGlobalWindow.cpp code is not seeing a CreateEvent on nsIDOMDocument?
# [01:00] <seth> i got confused by the fact that nsAutoCstring.BeginReading doesn't return an nsAString::const_iterator anymore
# [01:00] <bz_dinner> Implying presumably that the nsIDOMDocuemnt include was still seeing the windows.h stuff
# [01:00] <bz_dinner> but the C++ code is not???
# [01:00] <seth> looks like there's another overload that just takes strings by reference
# [01:00] <bz_dinner> And wait
# [01:00] <bz_dinner> nsGlobalWindow does "undef CreateEvent"
# [01:01] <bz_dinner> ooooooooooh
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# [01:01] <bz_dinner> This is insane
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# [01:01] <NeilAway> does that mean someone else included it before nsIDOMDocument.h?
# [01:01] <bz> no
# [01:01] <bz> What happened was this
# [01:01] <bz> old include sequence:
# [01:01] <bz> 1) nsScreen.h -> includes windows.h
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# [01:01] <bz> 2) undef CreateEvent
# [01:02] <bz> 3) Someone else includes windows.h
# [01:02] <bz> 4) Include nsIDOMDocument.h
# [01:02] <bz> Step 3 did not redefine CreateEvent, I assume, because windows.h has include guards?
# [01:02] <bz> Anyway, with step 1 gone...
# [01:02] <bz> the undef in step 2 is a no-op
# [01:03] <bz> or wait
# [01:03] <cpeterson> bz: https://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/search?string=undef%20CreateEvent
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# [01:03] <bz> more likely, it was like this:
# [01:03] <bz> cpeterson: yes, I know
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# [01:03] <bz> 1) Include winwdows.h
# [01:03] <bz> hrm
# [01:03] <bz> no, that doesn't work
# [01:03] * bz thinks
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# [01:04] <@bsmedberg> Is there a "reverse blame" feature in git or hg?
# [01:04] <jcranmer> AFAICT no
# [01:04] <glandium> can't we just avoid conflicting with windows defines by not using those names?
# [01:04] <@bsmedberg> i.e. I have a line of code in an old revision, and I want to know when it went away
# [01:04] <jcranmer> as much as I'd like one
# [01:04] <bz> bsmedberg: afaik, no. :(
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# [01:05] <glandium> bsmedberg: i think git has that
# [01:06] <Mook_as> git log -S might do some of what you want (it looks for changes that add or remove the given string)
# [01:06] <glandium> bsmedberg: git blame --reverse
# [01:06] <@bsmedberg> interesting, thanks
# [01:06] <NeilAway> bsmedberg: hg grep -all might help
# [01:06] <Mook_as> ooh, even better. thanks :)
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# [01:07] <glandium> NeilAway: hg grep... if you have hours to wait
# [01:07] <mcsmurf> heh
# [01:07] <NeilAway> glandium: dunno, seemed it work ok the time I tried it
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# [01:09] <tbsaunde> glandium: I think there spec / codegen stuff that rellies on nsIDocument::CreateEvent being the name
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# [01:09] <tbsaunde> but I guess we could fix that
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# [01:11] <glandium> KWierso|sheriffduty: this makes no sense :(
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# [01:12] <KWierso|sheriffduty> glandium: eh?
# [01:12] <glandium> KWierso|sheriffduty: it does look like the windows b-c bustage came with the qt change
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# [01:13] <KWierso|sheriffduty> glandium: guess it's worth a backout to make sure?
# [01:14] <glandium> KWierso|sheriffduty: i guess
# [01:14] <bz> hrm
# [01:14] <bz> how do I make nsGlobalWindow.i or equivalent on Windows?
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# [01:14] * bz sees undef CreateEvent in headers (!)
# [01:14] <glandium> bz: that doesn't work?
# [01:15] <bz> glandium: yes, I noticed
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# [01:15] <bz> glandium: hence "or equivalent"
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# [01:15] <glandium> bz: does it fail or does it not even execute a command?
# [01:16] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/6c06b499bb16 - Wes Kocher - Backed out changeset 4a21dc77dad9 (bug 932280) for inexplicably breaking win7debug browser-chrome tests on a CLOSED TREE
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# [01:16] <bz> glandium: it executes a command with '>' in it which fails?
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# [01:16] <glandium> bz: interesting. what is the failure message?
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# [01:17] <NeilAway> do we have support for more than 2 font weights in any OS?
# [01:17] <bz> shell metacharacter '>' in command line
# [01:17] <bz> That's a pymake error, fwiw
# [01:17] <glandium> bz: pymake dumbass
# [01:17] <glandium> bz: use mozmake :)
# [01:17] <bz> mozmake: command not found
# [01:18] <glandium> bz: http://people.mozilla.org/~mhommey/mozmake.exe
# [01:18] <@bsmedberg> do we have an ETA for getting a new mozillabuild with it?
# [01:18] <mcsmurf> ooh the shell metacharacter error..
# [01:18] <bz> ok
# [01:18] <mcsmurf> that is pymake trying to be smart
# [01:18] * bz will worry about that in a bit
# [01:18] <mcsmurf> unfortunately a bit too smart..
# [01:19] <jld> gps: /win 23
# [01:19] <jld> Er.
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# [01:19] <glandium> bsmedberg: i'll need to check current upstream git first, then i'll see with ryanvm
# [01:19] <jld> gps: Does b2g build.sh use ./mach for Gecko yet?
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# [01:19] <bz> oh
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# [01:19] <bz> This is super-insane
# [01:20] <bz> Can I try my hypothesis for what happens here again? ;)
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# [01:20] <bz> Old world
# [01:20] <KWierso|sheriffduty> glandium: hrm
# [01:20] <bz> 1) Include nsScreen.h, pulling in windows.h
# [01:20] <bz> 2) Undef CreateEvent.
# [01:20] <glandium> jld: i don't think so
# [01:20] <glandium> KWierso|sheriffduty: ?
# [01:20] <KWierso|sheriffduty> glandium: a retrigger on sunfish's push had that failure too
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# [01:20] <KWierso|sheriffduty> I think?
# [01:21] <bz> 3) Pull in windows.h again
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# [01:21] <glandium> KWierso|sheriffduty: it has browser_dragdrop, not browser_bug666317.js
# [01:21] <KWierso|sheriffduty> hrm, yeah
# [01:21] <bz> 4) Pull in nsIDOMDocument
# [01:21] <NeilAway> ah, you need a Mac, apparently
# [01:21] <bz> 5) Pull in PCOMContentPermissionRequestChild.h, which undefs CreateEvent
# [01:22] <bz> 6) Code that calls CreateEvent
# [01:22] <bz> Then I killed off step 1
# [01:22] <bz> See the problem?
# [01:22] <jld> gps: Context being both the occasional emailed pleas to use mach, and the times I've had to do a full clobber and rely on ccache because I changed gonk-misc/default-gecko-config.
# [01:22] <Mitch> bz: Yeah...I had a patch for that one instance of CreateEvent being redefined, but couldn't follow it all the way back.
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# [01:23] <glandium> bz: nice
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# [01:23] <glandium> bz: every #undef CreateEvent should include windows.h before?
# [01:23] <jld> (No, I'm not sure how I managed to try to change windows in the middle of typing something with the same pair of hands. Either too little caffeine or too much.)
# [01:23] <glandium> bz: or we should not use CreateEvent at all. Verboten
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# [01:24] <bz> glandium: If only it were the only thing that header defines....
# [01:24] <bz> So yeah, this undef in a header is insane
# [01:24] <bz> imho
# [01:24] <Mitch> For those of you playing at home: https://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/js/xpconnect/src/qsWinUndefs.h
# [01:24] <glandium> bz: i know...
# [01:24] <bz> qswinundefs.h is a very special-case header
# [01:24] <bz> that you include when you want to undef stuff
# [01:24] <bz> PCOMContentPermissionRequestChild.h on the other hand...
# [01:24] <bz> Is so not
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# [01:25] <bz> It's pulled in by TabChild.h
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# [01:27] <@khuey> bz: we just need to move some stuff out of line in TabChild.h, right?
# [01:28] <tbsaunde> do msvc have something like -isystem so we can have our own windows.h that undefs stuff?
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# [01:30] <froydnj> yeah, that DEBUG for PCOMContent... needs to go
# [01:30] <glandium> tbsaunde: not that i know of
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# [01:31] <bz> khuey: well
# [01:31] <bz> khuey: I'm going to move the undef in nsGlobalWindow to after the devicesensors include
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# [01:32] <Waldo> UnifiedBindings19.o, UnifiedBindings20.o, UnifiedBindings21.o, UnifiedBindings22.o, UnifiedBindings23.o...
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# [01:33] <bz> Waldo: it's 16 per file
# [01:34] <bz> Waldo: so...
# [01:34] <@khuey> bz: I thought you already fixed it coming in through that?
# [01:34] <Waldo> tbsaunde, bz: there's always binaryname("MozCreateEvent") in IDL
# [01:35] <Waldo> if not in webidl, necessarily
# [01:35] <Waldo> but you could make webidl support a similar construct
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# [01:35] <Waldo> er, maybe no quotes
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# [01:35] <bz> Waldo: we have that in WebIDL
# [01:36] <bz> Waldo: it sucks to have to use it and makes the code harder to read
# [01:36] <Waldo> bz: efaust is loving my running commentary on what I'm doing to maybe make watch/unwatch work on DOM proxies again
# [01:36] <bz> khuey: fixed what coming through what?
# [01:36] <bz> waldo: want to make unwatch work on window while you're there? ;)
# [01:36] <Waldo> bz: well, sure, but I don't see any way around that
# [01:36] <bz> waldo: 'cause it doesn't
# [01:36] <@khuey> bz: windows.h coming in through the sensor observer stuff?
# [01:36] <Waldo> bz: separate bug
# [01:36] <bz> khuey: no, I fixed it coming in through nsScreen
# [01:36] <Waldo> (literally, natch)
# [01:36] <bz> waldo: sure; it's filed
# [01:36] <bz> waldo: dumbest issue ever. ;)
# [01:36] <Waldo> bz: actually I'd rather start on deprecating watch/unwatch entirely, on trunk
# [01:37] <bz> khuey: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=932421#c3 has the skinny
# [01:37] <bz> Waldo: worksforme!
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# [01:37] <Waldo> well, build's done
# [01:37] <Waldo> hold onto your butts
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# [01:39] <jesup> bz: ping
# [01:39] <bz> jesup: ack
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# [01:40] <jesup> bz: did you see my question before? I'm guessing timeframe to resolve these #include windows.h things is short, right?
# [01:41] <@bsmedberg> anyone heard of a crash in mozilla::TimeStamp::operator+ or mozilla::image::FrameAnimator::GetCurrentImgFrameEndTime ?
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# [01:43] <bz> jesup: Ideally, asap
# [01:43] <bz> jesup: why?
# [01:43] <bz> jesup: and no, did not see question before
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# [01:45] <jesup> bz: aha. Ok. We have a hacky patch in hand that rips out the multi-thread mode we want to use later; we'll file a bug on a better solution that encapsulates the windows evilness. (I already r+'d the patch)
# [01:45] <bz> jesup: sounds good, thanks!
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# [01:47] <@khuey> bz: what in nsDeviceSensors.h brings in windows.h?
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# [01:48] <@khuey> oh
# [01:48] <@khuey> IPCMessageUtils
# [01:48] <@khuey> fuck that
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# [01:50] <rclick> bsmedberg: probably https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=916602
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# [01:50] <@khuey> and there's more after that
# [01:50] <@khuey> fun
# [01:50] <bz> khuey: it's all suck
# [01:50] <@bsmedberg> rclick: looks like it, thanks
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# [01:50] <bz> khuey: but yes, IPCMessageUtils is the first one
# [01:51] <bz> khuey: included by HalSensor.h
# [01:51] <@khuey> yeah
# [01:51] <@khuey> that's easyish to fix
# [01:51] <@khuey> I think
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# [01:54] <@khuey> bz: yeah, ok, turning nsDeviceSensors.h into nsIDeviceSensors.h is easy
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# [01:54] <@khuey> bz: just have to move the contract id define to the idl file
# [01:55] <@khuey> of course, I still have plenty more CreateEventWs now
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# [01:57] <bz> khuey: I just moved the undef; it fixed things
# [01:57] <@khuey> bz: aha, TimeChangeObserver.h is the next one
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# [01:57] <bz> khuey: https://pastebin.mozilla.org/3378028
# [01:58] <bz> khuey: heh
# [01:58] <bz> khuey: they're everywhere. :(
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# [01:58] <bz> khuey: just soon not in DOM bindings. ;)
# [01:58] <bz> khuey: of course that will mean any bindings addition will need to be run through try on the Windows builders...
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# [01:59] <bz> khuey: I suppose we could make the unified stuff undef things or something....
# [01:59] <bz> khuey: seems fragile
# [02:00] <@khuey> I would rather eradicate this
# [02:00] <@khuey> and stop HAL from slipping this crap in
# [02:00] <Waldo> bz: dom proxy watch unbustifying appears to be done, which must mean it's done, which means time to land!
# [02:00] * Waldo sends efaust screaming
# [02:01] <bz> waldo: clearly!
# [02:01] * Waldo ponders how few tests he can get away with here
# [02:01] <Waldo> http://web.mit.edu/jwalden/www/domproxy.html has identical behavior in my build and in 20.0 right now, at least
# [02:01] <@khuey> bz: I'll bang on this some more after breakfast
# [02:02] * Waldo wants breakfast
# [02:02] <@khuey> me too
# [02:02] <bz> khuey: Sweet.
# [02:02] <Waldo> maybe a night for crepevine
# [02:02] <@khuey> and it's 9 am here, so there's breakfast downstairs
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# [02:32] <@khuey> bz: ugh, all the generated IPDL headers include windows.h
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# [03:17] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/829d7bef8b0a - Richard Newman - Merge m-c to s-c.
# [03:17] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/7a3702a0463c - Richard Newman - Merge m-c to s-c.
# [03:17] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/51c553b11e62 - Richard Newman - Bug 925521 - Follow-up: context search changes. r=gps
# [03:18] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/b000f9dbd242 - Richard Newman - Bug 925521 - Part 3: follow-up to fix browser tests. r=trivial
# [03:18] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/c0ac5c3fd460 - Richard Newman - Bug 925521 - Part 1: remove filter on recorded search engine identifiers. r=gps
# [03:18] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/4e559dd64a13 - Richard Newman - Bug 925517 - Remove filter on recorded search engine identifiers for Fennec. r=mcomella
# [03:18] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/cdfe0db3e762 - Richard Newman - Bug 925521 - Fix yet another test with a hardcoded version. r=me
# [03:18] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/ed2343a4ad52 - Richard Newman - Bug 925521 - Follow-up: change measurement version in browser_contextSearchTabPosition.js. r=me
# [03:18] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/ff2d338d15ad - Richard Newman - Bug 925521 - Part 2: correctly record identifiers for non-pre-installed engines. r=gps
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# [03:28] <philor> well, that was an unfortunate misclick
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# [03:30] <philor> maybe wasn't a great idea to put the "cancel the job for which the tree is closed" button right next to "retrigger the job for which the tree is closed" button
# [03:30] <bz> closed, schmosed
# [03:30] <seth> bz: quick question
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# [03:31] <bz> seth: ok
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# [03:31] <seth> bz: what, if anything, prevents us from rendering SVG-as-image (which of course have no script access) off main thread?
# [03:31] <philor> yeah, I don't know why we're closed over near-permaorange OOM, when we have so many others just a little further away
# [03:31] <bz> seth: The DOM not being threadsafe?
# [03:32] <seth> bz: is it not threadsafe in the sense that it cannot be accessed from multiple threads? or does it have to only be accessed on the _main_ thread?
# [03:33] <bz> seth: well, so here's a simple example
# [03:33] <bz> seth: if things try to call node1->IndexOf(node2)
# [03:33] <bz> We land in nsAttrAndChildArray::IndexOfChild
# [03:33] <bz> Which uses 56 static IndexCacheSlot indexCache[CACHE_NUM_SLOTS];
# [03:33] <bz> As in, "all DOMs that might have this function called better all be on the same thread"
# [03:34] <seth> bz: =O
# [03:34] <bz> seth: so "not thread safe" in the "uses global variables" sense.. ;)
# [03:34] <seth> bz: i'm very sad right now!
# [03:34] <seth> bz: is there a bug about fixing this?
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# [03:34] <@khuey> no
# [03:34] <bz> seth: I bet you are!
# [03:34] <bz> There is not.
# [03:35] <seth> is that intentional? =)
# [03:35] <@khuey> yes
# [03:35] <bz> Hunting down all instances of this would be a fun exercise
# [03:35] <@khuey> "fun"
# [03:35] <bz> I mean, we could fix the index cache to use TLS
# [03:35] <bz> We'd have to find and kill any points where the DOM uses XPCOM components of any sort
# [03:35] <@khuey> and the 9 million other instances of this ...
# [03:35] <bz> We'd have to find and kill all uses of XPConnect.
# [03:35] <@khuey> 8,999,999 of which we don't know about off hand ...
# [03:35] <seth> ugh.
# [03:36] <bz> Obviously any other class or file statics would need to go...
# [03:36] <bz> Retrofitting threadsafety is a PITA
# [03:36] <seth> _XPCOM_ isn't safe off-main-thread?
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# [03:36] <bz> even very weak threadsafety
# [03:36] <bz> seth: no. It used to be, but no longer.
# [03:36] <bz> seth: in particular, createInstance/getService are main-thread-only
# [03:36] <seth> this is mind-boggling
# [03:36] <@khuey> er, wait
# [03:36] <@khuey> since when?
# [03:37] * bz was pretty sure that was the case
# [03:37] <bz> am I on crack?
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# [03:37] <@khuey> I think so
# [03:37] <mattwoodrow> seth: The frame tree isn't thread safe either
# [03:37] <bz> hrm
# [03:37] <bz> I could have sworn....
# [03:37] <bz> Then why can't we use them in workers? ;)
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# [03:37] <@khuey> bz: because there's no way to reflect arbitrary objects in workers ...
# [03:37] <@khuey> but you know that already ;-)
# [03:37] <bz> Or is it only the JS bindings for XPCOM that are main-thread-only?
# [03:38] <seth> mattwoodrow: sigh
# [03:38] <bz> seth: but yes, in a sane world we would have an architecture that allows what you want here
# [03:38] <bz> seth: we call it "servo"... ;)
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# [03:38] <bz> seth: we could try to get Gecko there, but it would be a long hard slog
# [03:38] <bz> seth: with the price of missing something probably being security bugs. :(
# [03:38] <seth> bz: this seems like less of an architecture issue and more of a "death by 1000 cuts" situation
# [03:39] <mattwoodrow> seth: That's why the the off-main-thread painting plan was to build the display list, and copy all necessary dom/frame information into it before moving it to another thread
# [03:39] <@khuey> no, it's an architecture issue
# [03:39] <bz> gps: ping
# [03:39] <gps> bz: (autoresponse) content-free ping detected. Please consider providing some additional context so I can address your questions more efficiently.
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# [03:39] <bz> gps: "mach build-backend" is totally failing
# [03:39] <bz> gps: now what?
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# [03:40] <seth> mattwoodrow: yeah, but i wish we could do more OMT, since i seem to recall that for some documents building the display list was 30% of the total rendering time
# [03:40] <bz> gps: pastebin on demand
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# [03:40] <@khuey> LOL @ gpsbot
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# [03:41] <mattwoodrow> seth: Well, yeah, but that's not really something that's solvable in a finite amount of time :p
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# [03:41] <mattwoodrow> for SVG, the plan is to try minimise the amount of display items created to just the ones that actually buy us anything
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# [03:43] <seth> mattwoodrow: for context, at this point i have a pretty good plan for how to cache all the frames of SVG animations, but i'd like to actually render them ahead of time in another thread so that the first play-through is (hopefully) not dramatically more janky than subsequent playthroughs
# [03:44] <seth> mattwoodrow: if building the display list is fast and the resulting display lists are quite small then that's not too bad; we can just build every display list on the main thread and ship them off for processing
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# [03:48] <@dolske> gps: ping
# [03:48] <@dolske> stop screening your calls and pick up!!!1!
# [03:48] <@dolske> oh, right, that's throttled to once an hour or whatever
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# [03:58] <philor> okay, that's three trees closed, what else is open?
# [03:58] <bz> philor: The discount window at the Fed?
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# [03:59] <bz> God
# [04:00] <bz> I hate the build system
# [04:00] <bz> especially on Windows
# [04:00] <bz> Hate
# [04:00] <bz> Hate. :(
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# [04:00] <@khuey> so say we all
# [04:00] <@khuey> bz: so I think I have something that works
# [04:00] <bz> all I want to do is pull one changeset
# [04:00] <@khuey> burning CPU now ...
# [04:00] <bz> and then make in layout/base
# [04:00] <bz> this thing is forcing me to do all sorts of crap
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# [04:01] <bz> like a "make export" at toplevel, which takes forever
# [04:01] <bz> and I don't even need to export stuff
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# [04:01] <bz> I just need it to let pymake run
# [04:01] <bz> instead of throwing backend changed errors
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# [04:05] <bz> khuey: ;)
# [04:07] <@khuey> apparently dougt is not attending our 1 on 1 today
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# [04:15] <@njn> "If away from Firefox for months, you now will be offered the option to reset it to its default state while preserving your essential information"
# [04:15] <@njn> AWESOME
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# [04:18] <philor> khuey: remember when you fixed The OOM from storage threads? could you do that again, for whatever it is now, please?
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# [04:19] <@khuey> philor: oh boy
# [04:19] <@khuey> philor: that was a long time ago ... don't really remember that
# [04:19] <@khuey> got a bug #?
# [04:20] <romaxa> glandium: which revision did you use for https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=823804 ?
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# [04:21] <philor> khuey: it was 18/19, yeah, and I don't have any reason to believe it's storage again, but the current inbound closure, bug 929359, and bug 932159 where I hid asan browser-chrome are all about the way we're constantly on the edge of OOM now
# [04:21] <@khuey> oh, hmm
# [04:21] <@khuey> is this the thing were we weren't shutting down the threads properly?
# [04:22] <philor> it was, yeah, we were keeping 300 threads alive through the life of the test
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# [04:22] <@khuey> yeah
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# [04:23] <@khuey> 802239
# [04:23] <@khuey> I believe
# [04:23] <@khuey> firebot: bug 802239
# [04:23] <firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=802239 maj, --, mozilla19, khuey, RESO FIXED, mozStorage leaks one thread per connection until shutdown
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# [04:25] <philor> "we're done with looking at OOM-destroyed runs" - so brave, so foolish, so unaware of his future
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# [04:25] <Hughman> what component should http://bugzil.la/930796 go in?
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# [04:27] <@khuey> Hughman: well it needs someone to profile it and see what's going on
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# [04:28] <@khuey> philor: and I guess ASAN isn't kind enough to print out thread stacks when it decides to kill the browser?
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# [04:29] <@khuey> philor: there's also the question of why ASAN is trying to allocate 51 GB of memory ...
# [04:30] <@khuey> er, sorry
# [04:30] <@khuey> 32
# [04:30] <@khuey> MB
# [04:30] <@khuey> ok that's more reasonable
# [04:30] <@khuey> although still a lot ...
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# [04:31] <Hughman> khuey: seems like it shouldn't move then. but i have a feeling nobody will look at it where it is currently
# [04:31] <philor> alas, no, asan doesn't want to print anything, because it doesn't know anything's wrong, all it sees is a mozapps/extensions/ test start, and then timeout, and then another start, and then timeout, etc.
# [04:32] <@khuey> Hughman: probably not
# [04:32] <@khuey> Hughman: CC jrmuizel and ask him to profile it?
# [04:33] <@khuey> philor: fun
# [04:33] <@khuey> philor: do we have any idea what's going on?
# [04:33] <Hughman> khuey: that i can do
# [04:34] <@khuey> njn: is 932159 related to the OOM stuff you were looking at?
# [04:35] <aja> does mozStorage have any relation to cache management?
# [04:35] <@njn> khuey: ASAN? doesn't sound related
# [04:35] <@khuey> njn: well it's an OOM
# [04:35] <@njn> khuey: bug 929359 is the one I've looked at, it's windows debug mochi-2 failures
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# [04:36] <@khuey> right
# [04:36] <@njn> khuey: and AFAICT, we've been slightly OOMing there for some time, and a minor change just pushed us over the edge... so it seems unlikely to affect elsewhere(?)
# [04:36] <philor> I'd like to call the asan b-c OOM the leading indicator for b-c OOMs to come, but, the tree is closed for b-c OOM so I guess it's not really "to come"
# [04:37] * philor looks at what we backed out for it, double-takes
# [04:38] <philor> every single bit of that is Qt
# [04:38] <philor> we backed out a pure-Qt patch for Windows browser-chrome OOM?
# [04:38] <@njn> woo
# [04:38] * philor lights a candle, sacrifices a chicken, and looks for a goat
# [04:39] <KWierso> philor: yeah
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# [04:39] <aja> philor: no sage
# [04:39] <aja> ?
# [04:39] <philor> people-waiting-for-inbound-to-open: go to bed or go get drunk, it ain't gonna happen
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# [04:40] <glandium> philor: it might in 22 minutes
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# [04:41] <glandium> romaxa: you can get 68c4d885d6dd from try
# [04:41] <froydnj> I feel like that belongs on a meme somewhere
# [04:42] <philor> if backing out that patch causes Win7 debug browser-chrome to not OOM, I can solve all of our testing capacity problems
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# [04:42] <philor> stop running tests, buy magic 8-balls
# [04:42] <philor> !8ball did I pass tests?
# [04:42] <firebot> philor: Of course.
# [04:42] <philor> sweet, ship me
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# [04:43] <@khuey> lol
# [04:43] <glandium> philor: wait, it was ooming?
# [04:44] <@khuey> lol
# [04:46] <philor> glandium: which was? the inbound Win7 debug b-c closure? (NS_ERROR_FAILURE) [nsIZipReader.open], one of our common OOM markers, yeah
# [04:46] <philor> asan b-c? yeah
# [04:47] <@khuey> it's kind of impressively how thoroughly we die on oom
# [04:47] <@khuey> assertions, crashes, js exceptions
# [04:47] <@khuey> everything
# [04:47] <philor> win7's m2 leak? yeah, it's OOM from the cycle collector
# [04:47] <@khuey> hmm
# [04:48] <@khuey> we do have 700 DOM windows open
# [04:48] <@khuey> that is not good
# [04:48] <bz> That bug sounds like for some reason the popup is using the parent's refresh driver or something????
# [04:48] <glandium> philor: asan b-c is hidden
# [04:48] <philor> in fact, right after zipreader fails, "ASSERTION: Ran out of memory while building cycle collector graph"
# [04:48] <bz> Oh, are these animated gifs?
# [04:48] <bz> OK
# [04:49] <@khuey> we are clearly GCing
# [04:49] <philor> glandium: yeah, I hid it because it got a case of the permaorange, decoder tried to fix it by making it use less memory, it's picked up another incomprehensible failure during the day today, I haven't looked at the new one
# [04:49] <@khuey> 18:05:02 INFO - --DOMWINDOW == 686 (3DC59B38) [serial = 18590] [outer = 5D391770] [url = about:blank]
# [04:49] <@khuey> so wtf
# [04:49] <@khuey> how did we accumulate 700 windows
# [04:49] <@njn> khuey: it goes over 1000 sometimes
# [04:49] <@khuey> philor: is this bc thing windows 8 only?
# [04:49] <bz> in a test run?
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# [04:49] <@khuey> bz: yeah
# [04:49] <philor> khuey: win7 only
# [04:49] <bz> tests end up with tons of windows....
# [04:50] * bz is not quite sure how
# [04:50] <bz> "not enough gc"
# [04:50] <@khuey> er
# [04:50] <@khuey> yeah
# [04:50] <philor> as is the mochitest-2 thing
# [04:50] <@khuey> win7 only
# [04:50] <@njn> khuey: ~800 is the threshold for the win7 debug mochi-2 failure
# [04:50] <@roc> could some test be leaving a window open
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# [04:50] <@njn> khuey: below that, we're usually ok, above that we fail
# [04:50] <@dolske> I will laugh if test are slow because they're swapping. :)
# [04:51] <philor> yeah, maybe that's why Mac debug is surviving, but taking twice as long as it did on 18
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# [04:52] <philor> though it does, come to think of it, have a very frequent mochitest-2 shutdown timeout...
# [04:52] <@khuey> bz: 700 DOM windows that we don't optimize out of the CC graph seems like the kind of thing that would cause a CC oom
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# [04:53] <@njn> philor: my ideas so far haven't worked, so now I'm trying two of them in tandem
# [04:53] <@njn> philor: oh, and I'm facing East this time
# [04:53] <@roc> Looks like on Mac we hit 638 DOMWindows
# [04:53] <@roc> in b-c
# [04:53] <@roc> or thereabouts
# [04:53] <@njn> roc: it probably varies significantly
# [04:53] <philor> njn: pour a glass of rum for Jambo
# [04:54] <@njn> roc: on mochi-2, I've seen it range from ~600 to ~1050
# [04:54] <@roc> njn: regardless, this number is way way way too large
# [04:54] <philor> the Mac m2 shutdown timeout I'm looking at happens just after we finish GCing 704 domwindows
# [04:54] <@njn> roc: indeed; I'd love it if someone fixed that instead of me trying to tweak my pldhash tweaks
# [04:55] <@dolske> http://i.imgur.com/cjzOhdO.jpg
# [04:55] <@roc> either there are a lot of windows actually open, in which case tests need to be fixed, or we have a leak, in which case code needs to be fixed
# [04:56] <@khuey> looks like the number skyrockets during the pb tests
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# [04:57] <@roc> Linux 64 debug has 661 windows
# [04:57] <@roc> let's see if I can reproduce this
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# [04:59] <@khuey> hmm, or maybe not
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# [04:59] <@khuey> maybe it is just a slow increase
# [04:59] <@roc> actually Linux 64 debug peaks at over 900 windows in the log I looked at
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# [05:01] <@khuey> roc: which one are you looking at?
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# [05:01] <@khuey> oh
# [05:01] <@khuey> bc and oth are not the same thing anymore
# [05:01] <@khuey> I'm looking at the wrong type of log
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# [05:02] <@njn> in mochi-2, test_Range-deleteContents.html seems to open lots of windows
# [05:02] <@roc> I looked through the mochitest and reftest logs for Linux64 debug. The window counts look reasonable except for mochitest-2 and browser-chrome
# [05:03] <@khuey> so almost all of these late windows are chrome://global/content/mozilla.xhtml
# [05:03] * @khuey wonders wtf that is
# [05:03] <@khuey> is that really the about:mozilla page?
# [05:03] <@khuey> wtf
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# [05:03] <@njn> test_Range-extractContents.html, too
# [05:03] <@khuey> aha
# [05:03] <@njn> khuey: you mentioned test_Range previously, IIRC
# [05:03] <@khuey> and a ton of devtools stuff
# [05:04] <@khuey> https://khuey.pastebin.mozilla.org/3378934
# [05:04] <@khuey> that's a successful bc run
# [05:04] <@khuey> notice all the devtools stuff not getting GCd until the end
# [05:05] <@njn> is the devtools pane being opened and then not closed?
# [05:05] <@khuey> well the number of windows seems to suggest no
# [05:05] <@khuey> since that would be 50 or more devtools pages
# [05:05] <@khuey> *panes
# [05:05] <philor> and we're still orange on the tip
# [05:05] <glandium> khuey: as well as about:mozilla and about:blank
# [05:05] <@khuey> glandium: yeah ...
# [05:05] <philor> so the world isn't quite completely insane, that's nice
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# [05:06] <@njn> in mochi-2 shutdown, iframe-between-tests.html shows up a lot
# [05:06] <@khuey> njn: the good news is if I can reproduce locally I can use my "dump the CC graph and then conditionally breakpoint on release" trick
# [05:07] <glandium> heh, it *is* intermittent
# [05:07] <@njn> khuey: tons of Range-test-iframe.html#[blah blah blah]
# [05:07] <glandium> 2 greens out of 5 on m-i tip
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# [05:10] <philor> so we just disable Ms2ger/* and devtools/*, and we're good?
# [05:10] <glandium> disable all the tests
# [05:10] <philor> oh, yeah
# [05:11] <philor> since we actually *did* disable devtools/* for the storage threads thing, and just wound up OOM elsewhere
# [05:12] <@njn> glandium: just disable the range tests, for mochi-2
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# [05:16] <@roc> in b-c, some of the leaked windows are coming from browser/base/content/test/social/browser_social_activation.js
# [05:16] <@roc> I suspect via http://lxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/toolkit/components/social/FrameWorker.jsm#195
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# [05:19] <@khuey> njn: if I run the devtools tests locally I get assertions about extra shutdown CCs
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# [05:19] <@khuey> anyways, lunch time
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# [05:19] <@roc> well
# [05:20] <@roc> devtools leaks a lot too
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# [05:48] <@njn> I like how somebody retriggered win7-mochi-2 twice in the most recent m-i push to get it to fail
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# [05:49] <nigelb> njn: heh
# [05:49] <nigelb> Isn't that normal? I mean, I've seen sheriffs do that.
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# [06:02] <philor> I like big retriggers
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# [06:03] <philor> thus the multiple tens I've got spread around right now
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# [06:06] <@khuey> njn: so after running the inspector tests I have 96 surviving nsGlobalWindows
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# [06:07] <@njn> khuey: is that higher or lower than expected?
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# [06:07] <@khuey> njn: well if we weren't leaking we'd expect ~12
# [06:08] <@njn> khuey: I see
# [06:08] <@njn> khuey: is this relevant for the bc OOMs?
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# [06:08] <@njn> khuey: because the mochi-2 OOMs seem to be range-related
# [06:08] <@khuey> njn: right
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# [06:33] <nigelb> philor: what's going on with inbound now? are we waiting for the tests to pass after the backout or something?
# [06:34] <philor> nigelb: no, the backout did nothing, we're waiting to see whether any of my deeper and wider retriggers show anything
# [06:34] <nigelb> Ah, ok
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# [06:57] <glandium> njn: do you know much about the gdbserver feature of valgrind?
# [06:57] <@njn> glandium: very little, unfortunately
# [06:57] <@njn> why do you ask?
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# [06:58] <glandium> njn: because sewardj is not around and because valgrind doesn't allow me to attach when it hits invalid reads
# [06:59] <dholbert> KWierso, not that you should still be working, but on the off chance that you are: any idea about the prospects for inbound reopening? :)
# [06:59] <@njn> doesn't allow? how
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# [06:59] <@njn> ?
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# [06:59] <KWierso> dholbert: 302 philor :)
# [07:00] <philor> dholbert: see above, where I recommended either going to bed or getting drunk, your choice
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# [07:00] <dholbert> philor, I suspected as much. :) sounds like a plan
# [07:00] <philor> funzors, our first OOM in browser_dragdrop.js was October 1st
# [07:00] <KWierso> I suggest both options
# [07:01] <philor> this will make it more difficult to find a truly all-green push only on inbound to revert to
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# [07:01] <@njn> philor: good thing we branched yesterday
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# [07:02] <philor> yeah, that would rather be the story of our branching lives
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# [07:02] <Mook> may I suggest 9b2a99adc05e?
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# [07:03] <philor> heh
# [07:03] <glandium> njn: it doesn't leave me time to do it
# [07:04] <philor> bwc has absolutely no idea where I live, right?
# [07:04] <philor> let's keep it that way
# [07:05] <philor> because I'm starting to like the idea of backing him out for the second day in a row
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# [07:06] <glandium> njn: forget it, i'm dumb
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# [07:10] <philor> actually, the right parallel probably isn't the storage threads, it's the Win PGO linker memory
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# [07:11] <philor> somebody's going to have to fix this, it won't be quick, and in the meantime we can probably land approved patches that cause us to use less memory, and nothing else
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# [07:12] <philor> sweet, got one leak on m-c tip that's probably from a CC OOM
# [07:12] <glandium> philor: so, can i land build system changes? :)
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# [07:12] <philor> glandium: no, you may never land another thing
# [07:12] <glandium> boohoo
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# [07:13] <philor> no, on second thought, you can land build system changes that cause us to not build things
# [07:13] <glandium> philor: i can land build system changes that cause us to not test things ;)
# [07:14] <philor> leaked mozapps/extensions/ stuff, strike one
# [07:14] <philor> ASSERTION: Extra shutdown CC
# [07:16] <philor> and the stuff that appears to be killing asan, wonder what decoder's try parent actually was
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# [07:17] <philor> but a piddly 658 domwindows
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# [07:19] <philor> so, did the first thing on inbound above the last merge to central push us over the cliff?
# [07:20] <philor> or did bwc?
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# [07:20] <philor> or are we already over the edge on central and running on air without realizing we're about to fall?
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# [07:37] <capella> the sky is falling?
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# [07:39] <@njn> philor: I've got some ACME brand rockets in a wooden box over here
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# [07:39] <@njn> just strap one of those to your back
# [07:39] <philor> njn: coincidence, I've got some ACME roller skates!
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# [07:46] <philor> does anyone have a persuasive reason why m-c and fx-team should stay open?
# [07:46] <@khuey> no
# [07:46] <@bz> leprechauns?
# [07:46] <@khuey> bah no roc
# [07:46] <philor> guess I'll file something with a crappy comment 0, to have something to point at in the closure message
# [07:47] <@bz> "leprechauns" sounds like a good comment 0
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# [07:47] <@khuey> bz: are you in CA?
# [07:47] <@khuey> or just awake very late? :-P
# [07:47] <@bz> Latter
# [07:47] * @bz was debugging some matlab code and rocking a baby to sleep
# [07:47] <@bz> She's finally asleep
# [07:48] <@bz> now to emulate her.... ;)
# [07:48] <@bz> The good news is my patches are green on try and have reviews
# [07:48] <@bz> The bad news....
# [07:49] <glandium> bz: yeah, i have 10 build system patches waiting to land too
# [07:49] <glandium> that are green on try
# [07:49] <@khuey> glandium: philor probably hasn't remembered to close b-s
# [07:50] <@bz> aurora is open, I bet!
# [07:50] <philor> don't think it's even in treestatus
# [07:50] <glandium> khuey: i don't want to have to merge b-s to m-c or m-i afterwards. I don't think it's in a state to be merged gracefully.
# [07:51] <philor> yeah, aurora's oddly green, despite having every reason to have permaorange asan b-c, and nearly permaorange win7 debug m2 and b-c
# [07:51] <@bz> All these worries about whether the code will compile after merging....
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# [07:51] <@khuey> glandium: have we even used b-s in the last 6 months?
# [07:51] <@bz_sleep> It's clearly bedtime. ;)
# [07:52] <glandium> khuey: it was used last month
# [07:52] <@khuey> ok
# [07:52] <glandium> khuey: i'd rather not pollute m-c with its history
# [07:52] <@khuey> oh what did we do to it?
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# [07:53] <glandium> khuey: probably nothing shocking, but i hate to merge separate branches that add nothing just for fun
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# [07:55] <glandium> that being said, i really don't see why build system only changes couldn't get approval to land on m-i
# [07:55] <glandium> philor: ^
# [07:55] <philor> glandium: if you want to take over, just say the word
# [07:55] <glandium> philor: take over what?
# [07:56] <philor> it's midnight, and I'm typing up a bug that I totally don't understand because nobody else will
# [07:56] <philor> if you want to sheriff the trees, and retrigger enough to verify that you haven't fucked a fucked tree even worse than it's already fucked, because you just have to get something landed and out of your tree, take over
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# [07:56] <philor> all of it
# [07:57] <philor> good night, fuck this
# [07:57] <@khuey> so I fixed one path where the devtools tests are leaking
# [07:57] <@khuey> but it didn't help and I can't find any more :-(
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# [08:03] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> good morning philor|away and KWierso
# [08:03] <KWierso> Tomcat|sheriffduty: I guess
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# [08:09] <@khuey> boo
# [08:09] <@khuey> bad devtools
# [08:09] <@khuey> too much leaking
# [08:10] <@khuey> we need to hueyfix chrome->chrome edges too
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# [08:12] <efaust> do I want to know what "hueyfixing" is?
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# [08:13] <efaust> I get the sense there's the magic script that roves around incresaing bothcorrectness and comment profanity density in one fell swoop
# [08:13] <Ms2ger> Bonjour
# [08:13] <Ms2ger> You called?
# [08:14] <efaust> :)
# [08:14] <@khuey> efaust: it's basically when I show up in your memory at 2 am and start hacking away with a scythe
# [08:14] <@khuey> efaust: also bug 695480
# [08:15] <@khuey> efaust: https://khuey.pastebin.mozilla.org/3379936 is the chain I need to break
# [08:15] <@khuey> only 238 edges!
# [08:16] <Ms2ger> That's a nice parentage at the end there
# [08:16] <efaust> khuey: "oh good"
# [08:17] <@khuey> Ms2ger: some Genesis 11 begat shit there
# [08:17] <@khuey> efaust: so the hard part is deciding where the chain should have been broken
# [08:17] <efaust> khuey++
# [08:17] <@khuey> I'll give you a hint, it's not past line 130
# [08:17] <nigelb> Ah, the tree closure reason changed.
# [08:17] <@khuey> so you have a 1 in 130 chance of guessing correctly
# [08:17] <@khuey> or rather I do :-(
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# [08:19] <@khuey> this is why you should not hold references to ephemeral objects from your global singletons!
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# [08:26] <zsteve> Hi everyone
# [08:26] <zsteve> Another question :
# [08:26] <zsteve> When I attempt to launch firefox nightly (just built) I get the installed ubuntu firefox instead
# [08:27] <zsteve> any reasons for this?
# [08:27] <zsteve> (Occasionally I get nightly, but when from the terminal ./firefox, its not
# [08:27] <@khuey> is firefox already running in the background somewhere?
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# [08:27] <zsteve> no
# [08:28] <@khuey> what happens if you run ./firefox --no-remote
# [08:28] <zsteve> runs :)
# [08:28] <zsteve> what does -no-remote do?
# [08:29] <nigelb> it lets you run multiple instances.
# [08:29] <zsteve> ok
# [08:29] <zsteve> tx
# [08:30] <veek> hey guys - i'm trying to write a plugin that saves selected text to file using jetpack. I'm trying to do IO to EOF using io/file. I'm trying to use New TextEncoder and i get an error - what module do i import to be able to use txtencoder
# [08:30] <veek> i'm on linux FF 24
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# [08:31] <@roc> khuey: did you get anywhere with the leak?
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# [08:31] <@khuey> roc: well I fixed a couple things
# [08:31] <@khuey> still dealing with more ...
# [08:32] <@roc> cool
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# [08:34] <@roc> maybe tests should fail if we hit 500 DOMWindows or something like that
# [08:34] <@khuey> roc: we really need to hueyfix chrome->chrome stuff
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# [08:40] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> so the leaks are stopping us from reopen inbound right
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# [08:40] <@khuey> yes
# [08:40] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> like bug 929359 and friends
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# [08:41] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> thx khuey was trying to get a picture what happened over hte night here
# [08:41] <@khuey> bad things :-)
# [08:41] * @khuey is poking at some leaks now
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# [08:44] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> :)
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# [08:54] <zsteve> ohno
# [08:54] <zsteve> I am searching in MXR for nsContentUtils::ReportToConsole()
# [08:55] <zsteve> only implementation I could find is in SVGContentUtils
# [08:56] <glob> zsteve, use dxr :)
# [08:56] <Ms2ger> Hah
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# [08:56] <Ms2ger> zsteve, https://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/content/base/public/nsContentUtils.h#807
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# [08:57] <zsteve> not the definition
# [08:57] <zsteve> the implementation
# [08:57] <zsteve> looking on dxr now
# [08:58] <zsteve> found!
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# [08:59] <Ms2ger> zsteve, https://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/content/base/src/nsContentUtils.cpp#3051 :)
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# [08:59] <zsteve> yes
# [08:59] <zsteve> found that
# [08:59] <zsteve> ty
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# [09:35] <NeilAway> njn shrank the MemShrink report?
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# [09:42] <zsteve> I'm trying to call nsConsoleUtils::ReportToConsole() to log an error
# [09:42] <zsteve> but when I try it, gdb tells me that it's executing, but no error msg appears
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# [09:44] <zsteve> what could cause it to fail?
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# [09:51] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> hey guys so bug 929359 is the main leak bug we are working on right
# [09:52] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> there were other leaks mentioned in tbpl like TEST-UNEXPECTED-FAIL | leakcheck | 13696999 bytes leaked (AsyncLatencyLogger, AsyncStatement, AtomImpl, BackstagePass, BarProp, ...) , do we need bugs to file on that ?
# [09:52] <@khuey> I don't think we have a plan for that other than disabling the range tests
# [09:52] <Ms2ger> Again? :(
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# [10:10] <nthomas> I'm looking for some debugging advice. In my old+crufty profile, I see the memory allocated go up by 40-50MB on the stroke of every minute (otherwise idle browser). The culprit seems to be the FoxClocks addon, as the memory usage doesn't increase when I disable it (a recent Nightly build on Mac is also required). There's nothing obvious in terms of network requests, nor in the output from a...
# [10:10] <nthomas> ...debug build. In about:memory, it's heap-unclassified that is growing (eyeball, diffing appears to be busted). Any pointers ?
# [10:11] <nthomas> I can't reproduce this in a new profile, but don't know what kind of cruft in the old one could be interacting badly
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# [10:19] <mike5w3c> these days when I build, I get linker errors about a bunch of undefined symbols
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# [10:19] <mike5w3c> all or almost all in the ICU code it seems
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# [10:21] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> mike5w3c: hm does a clobber help ?
# [10:21] <mike5w3c> Tomcat|sheriffduty: I've not tried manually clobbering but I will
# [10:22] <mike5w3c> I have the auto-clobber thing set (for the case where clobbering's actually required)
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# [10:23] <mike5w3c> Tomcat|sheriffduty: fwiw when I re-run mach after the first failure, everything builds fine then
# [10:23] <mike5w3c> anyway, I'll try clobbering
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# [10:32] <zsteve> could someone help me please
# [10:32] <zsteve> I know I have way too many questions... but
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# [10:33] <zsteve> nsCOMPtr<nsIScriptError> error(do_CreateInstance(NS_SCRIPTERROR_CONTRACTID));
# [10:33] <zsteve> error->Init(NS_LITERAL_STRING("a logging message"), NS_LITERAL_STRING(""),NS_LITERAL_STRING(""),0, 0, 1,"HTML");
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# [10:33] <zsteve> and nsContentUtils::ReportToConsole
# [10:33] <zsteve> are both failing to log errors
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# [10:54] <past> zsteve: did you pass the page to ReportToConsole and are you looking at the web console or the browser console?
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# [10:58] <zsteve> looking at the web console
# [10:58] <zsteve> is that the wrong console?
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# [10:59] <past> I'm not sure what you are doing exactly, but if the web console observes messages without or with the wrong window ID, it will ignore them
# [10:59] <past> the browser console on the other hand will display them
# [10:59] <zsteve> ok
# [10:59] <zsteve> the browser console...
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# [11:00] <zsteve> is that the one that I can see in terminal when I launch it from there?
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# [11:00] <past> Cmd/Ctrl-Shift-J
# [11:00] <zsteve> ah
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# [11:18] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> wow leaked 273 DOMWINDOW(s) on the last run from m-c before the closure
# [11:18] <@khuey> well that's cause the cycle collector started working
# [11:18] <@khuey> Tomcat|sheriffduty: ok, so your first mission is to disable the testRange tests from m2 again
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# [11:19] <mike5w3c> Tomcat|sheriffduty: so I just tried a "mach clobber" and rebuild and I still get the same linker errors for the ICU stuff. This in on OSX
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# [11:24] <past> mike5w3c: I've been seeing that too
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# [11:24] <past> it doesn't happen in my Linux box
# [11:24] <mike5w3c> ah
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# [12:09] <ttaubert> I hate that checking out a git branch that is a little behind touches all your files and makes you clobber a lot
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# [12:12] <Ms2ger> Eh, git
# [12:14] <ttaubert> yeah, omg choice
# [12:15] <Ms2ger> Indeed, you're free to make the choice that causes pain here ;)
# [12:15] <ttaubert> see
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# [12:20] <glandium> Ms2ger: that has nothing to do with git
# [12:21] <Ms2ger> It has to do with the workflow favoured in git
# [12:21] <@ted> i just apparently can't restart my windows firefox without hitting a shutdown hang
# [12:21] <@ted> today's hang appears to be in storage
# [12:21] <glandium> Ms2ger: git doesn't touch files that don't change
# [12:21] <glandium> whatever commit you checkout
# [12:21] <Ms2ger> The issue is with files that do change
# [12:22] <ttaubert> right
# [12:22] <glandium> Ms2ger: which has nothing to do with git
# [12:22] <ttaubert> because they change back and forth when you checkout and then rebase
# [12:22] <Ms2ger> But it has to do with the workflow favoured in git.
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# [12:22] <glandium> Ms2ger: nothing that wouldn't happen with qpop/qpush
# [12:23] <ttaubert> it wouldn't
# [12:23] <ttaubert> that's my point, you have to immediately rebase before qpush'ing
# [12:23] <Ms2ger> With MQ, you rebase your entire queue
# [12:23] <ttaubert> right, that sucks but has this single advantage
# [12:23] <glandium> then i don't know what you're doing
# [12:24] <Ms2ger> Let's say you have branch A based off revision x
# [12:24] <Ms2ger> And branch B based off revision y
# [12:24] <Ms2ger> And between x and y, someone touched CLOBBER
# [12:24] <Ms2ger> whenever you switch between A and B, you touch CLOBBER
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# [12:25] <Ms2ger> With MQ, you have a base revision z, some set of patches A, some set of patches B
# [12:25] <Ms2ger> Switching between A and B only touches the files in changed in B
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# [12:26] <glandium> Ms2ger: i don't see why you can't have the same base revision
# [12:26] <Ms2ger> You can
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# [12:26] <froydnj> hm, that's interesting, my firefox no longer checks for updates after using a home-built one
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# [12:27] <Ms2ger> But git doesn't exactly encourage that
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# [12:27] <glandium> Ms2ger: and it's actually highly annoying that mq does
# [12:28] <ttaubert> yep, I like not having to rebase everything immediately just because I want do make a small fix
# [12:28] <Ms2ger> If you say so
# [12:28] <Ms2ger> I don't think it's annoying
# [12:28] <glandium> Ms2ger: what ttaubert says
# [12:28] <ttaubert> it's not too bad certainly
# [12:28] <ttaubert> but you can get used to that new freedom
# [12:28] <ttaubert> :)
# [12:28] <glandium> also, i'm actually rarely using multiple hg queues
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# [12:28] <Ms2ger> I don't have to rebase everything because I want to make a small fix, because everything's rebased already
# [12:29] <glandium> Ms2ger: good for you. I have many patches that i now have no idea what revision they were written against, and that i'd probably have a very hard time rebasing without that knowledge
# [12:30] <glandium> anyways
# [12:30] <@ted> yeah, i frequently wind up having to search back for a revision to apply patches against
# [12:30] <Ms2ger> I don't have that issue because everything's rebased regularly
# [12:30] <@ted> i don't really like git, but i do like the idea of tracking work that way
# [12:31] <@ted> i dunno, it kind of sucks either way
# [12:31] <@ted> it's nice to be able to just apply random patches together
# [12:31] <@ted> it's also nice to be able to track separate work on separate branches
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# [12:31] <glandium> yay, the oldest patch in my queue is from february 2012
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# [12:32] <Ms2ger> I never really saw the point of multiple branches... Either your changes don't conflict, and it doesn't matter, or they do conflict, and you'll have to merge anyway
# [12:32] <Ms2ger> It makes it a little easier to change which patch lands first, I guess
# [12:32] <@ted> i have a patch from september 2011 in there
# [12:33] <@ted> Ms2ger: yeah, there are some nice qualities to being able to separate disparate work
# [12:33] <jgraham> Not having to worry about merges upfront is a huge win
# [12:34] <Ms2ger> Not my experience, but *shrug*
# [12:34] <glandium> Ms2ger: when you have work in progress that's blowing up everything, and you want to work on something else, it's nice to have the blown up stuff in a separate branch. Like you'd have it in a separate queue
# [12:34] <jgraham> If you are working on some large branch and also want to make a small fix to master
# [12:35] <@ted> i do find myself juggling my patch queue pretty often
# [12:35] <jgraham> It would be an enormous pain to have to rebase the huge branch
# [12:35] <Ms2ger> ted, how often does that actually lead to conflicts?
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# [12:36] <glandium> what bothers me the most, anyways, is that qpop/qpush is so slow
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# [12:37] <@ted> Ms2ger: not very frequently, but it's still annoying
# [12:37] <Ms2ger> glandium, that's something I'm not going to argue with :)
# [12:37] <glandium> qref, too
# [12:37] <jgraham> I presumed that hg users either had multiple clones or leanrt to use bookmarks to avoid this pain
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# [12:37] <jgraham> I don't really understand how you would make large, breaking, changes otherwise
# [12:37] <@ted> Ms2ger: but i also get annoyed using git if i put stuff on separate branches and then later decide i want to combine them
# [12:37] <Ms2ger> I've got a separate clone for landing, yes
# [12:38] * @smaug has always a separate clone when doing anything larger change
# [12:38] <jgraham> ted: Combining branches isn't that hard? It's just a rebase
# [12:38] <Ms2ger> smaug, but you also don't use mq ;)
# [12:38] <@smaug> very true :)
# [12:38] <Ms2ger> jgraham, everything is a rebase, apparently :)
# [12:38] <@ted> "just a rebase"
# [12:38] <jgraham> I almost never have more than 1 clone of a git repo fwiw
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# [12:39] <@ted> then i "just" have to go look up the documentation for git rebase to remember how the hell it works
# [12:39] <@ted> (i have to look up the hg rebase documentation when i do anything but hg pull --rebase as well)
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# [12:39] <jgraham> Well, OK. But there's nothing conceptually difficult
# [12:39] <jgraham> I also have to look up the documentation every time I have to use mq
# [12:39] <@ted> really?
# [12:39] <@ted> the mq stuff seems really simple
# [12:39] <glandium> ted: git rebase master ; assuming you're on your branch already
# [12:40] <jgraham> Yeah, because I don't use it much
# [12:40] <@ted> i mean, it's just pushing and popping patches
# [12:40] <Ms2ger> There's nothing conceptually difficult there either ;)
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# [12:40] <@ted> glandium: i can never remember where things are going to wind up
# [12:40] <@ted> which way am i rebasing
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# [12:41] <jgraham> Ms2ger: Sure, I understand that the concept is easy. But I still have to look up the actual command line API and sometimes the right set of magic to achieve what I want
# [12:41] <Ms2ger> Anyway, lunch
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# [12:41] <jgraham> The point is that a lot of "X needs to be looked up" is "I haven't used X much"
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# [12:42] <@ted> jgraham: that's true
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# [12:42] <@ted> i would not profess to be a git expert
# [12:42] <jgraham> ted: With rebase I find that it helps to remember that git rebase master will rebase the current branch onto master. So the first argument is the branch that you want to rebase onto
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# [13:04] * Gijs just finds the terminology of git really messed up
# [13:06] <tbsaunde> how?
# [13:07] <Gijs> Like the fact that there's no "git update", and the equivalent is either "checkout" or "reset", apparently? Then I look at the help for "reset" and it says: "In the first and second form, copy entries from <tree-ish> to the index. In the third form, set the current branch head (HEAD) to <commit>, optionally modifying index and working tree to match."
# [13:07] <Gijs> which means roughly nothing to me
# [13:07] <Gijs> like the fact that "svn|hg|whatever revert" and "git revert" are completely different things
# [13:08] <Gijs> it's like someone took all the concepts and shuffled their meanings around.
# [13:08] <@ted> git has the worst interface of any program i've used on a regular basis
# [13:09] <jgraham> It is true that some parts of the man pages assume that you understand the data model
# [13:09] <@ted> and yeah, the documentation assumes you have its data model memorized
# [13:09] <Gijs> I'm sure that's a fault of my understanding, but it's really frustrating when I'm trying to just get something basic done, like "revert the state of my working directory to the current commit" or "update my working directory to commit X"
# [13:09] <jgraham> The thing is that understanding the data model is very worthwhile. It's simple and once you know it, even roughly, everything makes lots of sense
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# [13:11] <jgraham> Gijs: Of course there is hidden complexity there e.g. what do you want to do with local changes?
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# [13:11] <tbsaunde> Gijs: I actually hate hg update because what does it mean in a dvcs
# [13:12] <Gijs> jgraham: that's not complexity... it's implied by the command. Update, unless you pass -C, will stop and do nothing because you don't want to lose your changes. Revert, by its name, will revert the changes you specify.e
# [13:12] <tbsaunde> it turns out to mean or less checkout but that's not what the word update means really
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# [13:13] <Gijs> tbsaunde: it updates to head of the current branch. How does it being a dvcs make that nonintuitive? Even on git you have a HEAD concept, and a current branch concept, AIUI.
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# [13:15] <tbsaunde> Gijs: wouldn't it make more sense to say you checkout $commit?
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# [13:15] <Gijs> tbsaunde: not to me, but hey, on hg that's just an alias for hg update...
# [13:16] <tbsaunde> sure, igt revert doesn't undo changes in the working tree but it absolutely does revert commits
# [13:16] <tbsaunde> so alias git update to checkout and move on if you really like update?
# [13:16] <Gijs> tbsaunde: so when do I need git reset instead of git checkout?
# [13:17] <Gijs> because AIUI, "hg update" and "git checkout" semantics aren't equivalent...
# [13:17] <Gijs> I'd love to be wrong!
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# [13:18] <tbsaunde> I think there generally equivelent unless you're doing interesting things with the index
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# [13:19] <Gijs> "You could omit <branch>, in which case the command degenerates to "check out the current branch", which is a glorified no-op with a rather expensive side-effects to show only the tracking information, if exists, for the current branch."
# [13:19] <Gijs> That doesn't sound like it updates to tip of the current branch...
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# [13:20] <tbsaunde> branches are just pointers so what does it mean to be on a branch without being at the tip commit for it?
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# [13:23] <Gijs> tbsaunde: if I have a commit that's the parent of what the branch pointer points at, has no other children, and has exactly 1 parent, would that commit not be "on the branch" as far as git is concerned? If not, how do you describe the set of commits leading up to the tip branch commit? Are they not part of the branch?
# [13:25] <Gijs> from a language perspective, it's also really weird to have a branch be a point rather than a set of things. :s
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# [13:26] <tbsaunde> Gijs: I guess you'd say they're on the branch
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# [13:27] <tbsaunde> git checkout $branch does update to the tip of $branch, but how often is it you have some ancestor of $branch checked out and you want to just change what you've checked out to $branch anyway?
# [13:28] <tbsaunde> after all there isn't much meaningful you can do if you not at the tip of the branch other than create a new branch or look around
# [13:29] <Gijs> tbsaunde: uh, actually, if I'm looking for regressions, checking out various revisions and then returning to tip is pretty much par for the course...
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# [13:30] <tbsaunde> Gijs: bisect is your friend besides I hope you spend more time writing stuff than finding where a regression was introduced
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# [13:47] <RyanVM> snorp: ping
# [13:48] <beast666007> not sure if this is the right channel to ask this in, but maybe you can point me there or help me anyways
# [13:48] <beast666007> i have a c# windows forms application that loads gecko, and it works fine for me, but for my friend it wont load
# [13:48] <beast666007> he gets System.DllNotFoundException: Unable to load DLL 'xpcom': The specified procedure could not be found. (Exception from HRESULT: 0x8007007F)
# [13:48] <beast666007> when doing this: Skybound.Gecko.Xpcom.Initialize(xulRuntimeDirectory);
# [13:48] <beast666007> at Skybound.Gecko.nsACString.NS_CStringContainerInit(nsACString container) <-- is the last line in the stacktrace
# [13:48] <beast666007> we use the same dll & file structure through dropbox
# [13:49] <beast666007> any ideas?
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# [13:51] <Yoric> beast666007: Do you have any way of knowing which procedure it's talking about?
# [13:52] <beast666007> im gueesing that last line of the stack trace
# [13:52] <beast666007> NS_CStringContainerInit(nsACString container)
# [13:52] <Yoric> I actually can't find any function with that signature in our source code.
# [13:53] <beast666007> [DllImport("xpcom", CharSet = CharSet.Ansi)]
# [13:53] <beast666007> static extern int NS_CStringContainerInit(nsACString container);
# [13:53] <beast666007>
# [13:53] <Yoric> We have NS_CStringContainerInit(nsCStringContainer &aStr)
# [13:53] <Yoric> Which is not exactly the same thing.
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# [13:53] <beast666007> mine 178-180 in nsString.cs
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# [13:53] <beast666007> right under the one u pasted
# [13:54] <beast666007> not sure if we're looking at same files/versions
# [13:54] <Yoric> Where does nsString.cs come from?
# [13:54] <beast666007> line 178*
# [13:54] <Yoric> It's not part of mozilla-central.
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# [13:55] <beast666007> skybound.geckofx.src.1.9.1.0/src/skybound.gecko/nsString.cs
# [13:55] <Ms2ger> Waiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit
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# [13:55] <Ms2ger> Do I see 1.9.1 as a Gecko version there?
# [13:56] <beast666007> yes :)
# [13:56] <Yoric> That looks just a litttttle bit old.
# [13:56] <Ms2ger> In the sense that I could probably update it for you if it connected to the internet
# [13:57] <Archaeopteryx> Ms2ger: you are always so helpful
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# [13:57] <Yoric> Documentation looks limited: http://www.geckofx.org/
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# [13:58] <Yoric> i.e. that project looks very unmaintained
# [13:59] <Yoric> beast666007: So perhaps geckofx is just too old to link to recent binaries.
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# [13:59] <beast666007> it works fine for me tho
# [13:59] <beast666007> and the xulrunner im using is also version 1.9. something
# [13:59] <beast666007> xulrunner / xpcom
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# [14:00] <Yoric> ok
# [14:01] <beast666007> what should i do to update to the newer things, maybe i can try that
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# [14:02] <Yoric> I don't think geckofx exists for newer versions.
# [14:02] <Yoric> Now, I'm looking at 1.9
# [14:02] <Yoric> I also don't find NS_CStringContainerInit(nsACString)
# [14:02] <Yoric> That's not very encouraging.
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# [14:04] <beast666007> static extern int NS_CStringContainerInit(nsACString container);
# [14:05] <Yoric> In which file do you see that?
# [14:05] <beast666007> nsString.cs
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# [14:06] <Yoric> I meant C++ file :)
# [14:06] <beast666007> oh, i dont have those :p
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# [14:09] <Yoric> beast666007: I'm using http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla1.9.1/ to look at the source code of 1.9.1
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# [14:10] <Yoric> So here's the list of occurrences of NS_CStringContainerInit: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla1.9.1/ident?i=NS_CStringContainerInit&;filter=
# [14:10] <Yoric> None of them seems to take a nsACString.
# [14:11] <Yoric> Which might explain why your code won't link.
# [14:13] <froydnj> boo for closed inbound
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# [14:14] <Ms2ger> Boo for leaks
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# [14:15] <sheppy> Gotta say, it's increasingly frustrating to not have a "share" button in Firefox like I do on pretty much every other application I use these days, on my Mac.
# [14:15] <sheppy> Kinda surprised nobody's done an add-on that adds support for OS X's sharing features yet.
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# [14:15] <Yoric> What happened to F1?
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# [14:15] <Yoric> Shouldn't that have allowed us such sharing?
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# [14:16] <Yoric> On an unrelated note, does anyone know if there is public information on project UP?
# [14:16] <sheppy> F1 was replaced by the social API project, which so far doesn't offer nearly the functionality F1 did for sharing.
# [14:16] <sheppy> UP?
# [14:16] <Yoric> Or is this too early?
# [14:16] <sheppy> What's that?
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# [14:16] <Yoric> User Profile
# [14:16] <@smaug> Firefox profile? or something else?
# [14:17] * @smaug has never heard of project UP
# [14:17] <ttaubert> that's basically opt-in tracking
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# [14:17] <Yoric> Well, if it's on the Do Not Tweet list, it's probably not meant to be discussed over irc.
# [14:17] <@smaug> er what
# [14:17] <@smaug> sounds like something we should tweet then
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# [14:18] <Yoric> :)
# [14:18] <ttaubert> there were sessions at the summit
# [14:18] <Yoric> I have no idea of the status of this.
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# [14:18] <beast666007> Yoric any suggestions of things i could try to solve it ?
# [14:18] <Yoric> beast666007: Are you willing to rebuild geckofx?
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# [14:18] <@smaug> Do Not Tweet is always a bug, but I can see some unfortunate cases when it is needed
# [14:18] <beast666007> ye
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# [14:19] <sheppy> All the sharing addons I can find seem to require signing up for some service or other to use them, for some reason.
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# [14:20] <Yoric> smaug: Well, I can understand the "do not tweet yet" stance, if we're not ready to deal with being Slashdotted about an early experiment just yet :)
# [14:20] <Yoric> sheppy: Not that one: http://getprsm.com/
# [14:20] <sheppy> Yoric: thanks for the pointer, I'll check it out.
# [14:21] <Yoric> beast666007: You could try and replace |static extern int NS_CStringContainerInit(nsACString container);| with |static extern int NS_CStringContainerInit(nsCStringContainer container);| and see if it works better.
# [14:21] <sheppy> I just think it would be awesome to hook into the OS X sharing service because you inherit a lot of great ways to share links without extra code.
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# [14:21] <beast666007> ok, thanks alot
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# [14:21] <sheppy> Yoric: LOL, took a minute to catch on
# [14:21] <sheppy> Smartass :D
# [14:21] <@smaug> Yoric: we're not very good at marking things "experimental, not necessarily an official Mozilla project"
# [14:22] <Yoric> sheppy: :)
# [14:22] <sheppy> smaug: yeah
# [14:22] <Yoric> Yeah, that would be good.
# [14:22] <Yoric> s/good/useful/
# [14:22] <ttaubert> smaug: Junior comes to mind
# [14:22] <Yoric> Exactly.
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# [14:23] <sheppy> Yep yep
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# [14:25] <ttaubert> "I wanted to share on Twitter and it told me to get a Twitter account first, bah!"
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# [14:25] <ttaubert> ;)
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# [14:26] <sheppy> ttaubert: :P
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# [14:26] <sheppy> I don't get why I need to join a service to share to another service entirely :)
# [14:26] <@smaug> ttaubert: yes, bad communication from Mozilla's side
# [14:26] <Ms2ger> sheppy, hmm? Join persona to edit mdn? :)
# [14:27] <sheppy> Ms2ger: Don't get me started on that :)
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# [14:35] <snorp> RyanVM: pong
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# [14:35] <RyanVM> snorp: so what's your take on bug 920160? :)
# [14:35] <RyanVM> now that Android's not an issue, just re-land what was pushed before?
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# [14:39] <NeilAway> Yoric: I thought NS_CStringContainerInit was extern "C" so the parameter type shouldn't matter, no?
# [14:39] <Yoric> Good point.
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# [14:39] <Yoric> In that case, I have no idea.
# [14:39] <Yoric> beast666007: ^
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# [14:40] <beast666007> ok, thanks for ur help anyways
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# [14:43] <snorp> RyanVM: yup
# [14:43] <snorp> RyanVM: thanks
# [14:44] <RyanVM> snorp: sgtm, gotta love when problems just solve themselves :P
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# [14:44] <snorp> RyanVM: seriously.
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# [14:46] <RyanVM> snorp: in my queue for re-landing once b2g26 is open :)
# [14:46] <snorp> RyanVM: you're the best.
# [14:46] <RyanVM> :)
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# [14:50] <RyanVM> Yoric: I'm putting bug 927560 in my queue for b2g26 so I don't forget about it, but I won't land it pending resolution to your comments in the bug
# [14:50] <Yoric> Sounds good.
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# [14:51] <RyanVM> Yoric: actually, part 1 doesn't apply to b2g26 anyway :P
# [14:51] <RyanVM> not as badly as last time, but still
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# [14:51] <RyanVM> yeah, this should be an easy fixup
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# [14:52] <Yoric> For the moment, I don't understand the strategy of the b2g team on that topic. I backported the code for their sake, but I'm taking backseat on that.
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# [15:01] <@khuey> edmorley: did we make any progress on the tree?
# [15:01] <edmorley> khuey: sadly not
# [15:01] <@khuey> ok
# [15:02] <edmorley> khuey: I've been out this morning for an appointment, only just pieced together what happened since there wasn't much in bugs
# [15:02] <edmorley> khuey: have filed bug 932781
# [15:02] <@khuey> yeah
# [15:02] <@khuey> I saw your bug
# [15:02] <edmorley> and pasted the parts of the IRC chats I could find
# [15:02] <@khuey> I just got back from dinner
# [15:02] <@khuey> gonna take a quick show and then try to help sort this out
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# [15:02] <edmorley> I think sadly a bug was going to be filed by someone last night but a bit of hassling of them by others made them give up
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# [15:02] <@khuey> *shower
# [15:02] <edmorley> cool, ty
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# [15:03] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> thx khuey
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# [15:15] <@khuey> edmorley: ok, backish
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# [15:23] <@bsmedberg> Can I change the part of an image used in a xul:image the same way I can for a list-style-image using something like -moz-image-region?
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# [15:29] <@khuey> Yoric: this "promise chain failed to handle exception" stuff is great
# [15:29] <Yoric> Thanks :)
# [15:30] <Yoric> We have a further patch that's going to improve a few corner cases. I'll try and review it today.
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# [15:47] <@khuey> ttaubert: ping?
# [15:47] <ttaubert> khuey: yup?
# [15:47] <@khuey> ttaubert: did we stop running your cc analyzer stuff?
# [15:48] <ttaubert> khuey: hmm. not that I know of unless someone ripped that out?
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# [15:48] <ttaubert> or unknowingly disabled it
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# [15:49] <@khuey> ttaubert: well if we were running it presumably we would have noticed before we started leaking 500 DOM windows to shutdown
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# [15:49] <ttaubert> khuey: yeah... looks like we should look into why that's not running anymore
# [15:50] <@khuey> indeed
# [15:50] <@khuey> did we move the social crap OOP?
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# [15:51] <@khuey> edmorley|sheriffduty: idk what I can really do here other than try to fix a few bugs ...
# [15:52] <ttaubert> I thought that's all implemented with workers and stuff but idk
# [15:52] <@khuey> not clear what we would back out
# [15:52] <@khuey> no it uses the fake frame worker stuff
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# [15:52] <@khuey> none of the tests remove the frame from the hideen window ...
# [15:52] <@khuey> so that leaks a ton
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# [15:53] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> hm i filed the current leak bug 2013-10-22 01:19 PDT
# [15:53] <edmorley|sheriffduty> khuey: are the trace-malloc leak tests the ones you were thinking of?
# [15:53] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> so yeah hard to say what to backout
# [15:53] <@khuey> edmorley|sheriffduty: no, ttaubert has special code to track down window leaks
# [15:53] <@khuey> which apparently isn't running anymore ...
# [15:54] <edmorley|sheriffduty> ah that
# [15:54] <@khuey> it would have yelled when we were at 1
# [15:54] <@khuey> instead of 500 ...
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# [15:54] <ttaubert> still there at least http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/testing/mochitest/browser-test.js#379
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# [15:57] <Gijs> wait, um, we've been leaking craploads of windows for a long time now?
# [15:57] <Gijs> do we have any idea how long 'a long time' is?
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# [15:59] <@khuey> Gijs: nope
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# [16:00] <@khuey> god
# [16:00] <@khuey> promises suck so hard for cleanup
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# [16:01] <Ms2ger> s/for cleanup// ;)
# [16:01] <@khuey> I need to make a super cool ski instructor meme for this
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# [16:02] <Ms2ger> Mm, quicktime
# [16:02] <Ms2ger> I think I've had that installed once
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# [16:03] <@khuey> so what's the proper way to do "run this stuff when the promise completes, successfully or not?"
# [16:03] <jdm> anybody seeing this abort when running qimportbz?
# [16:03] <jdm> Fetching...abort: certificate for bugzilla.mozilla.org has unexpected fingerprint 47:13:a2:14:0c:46:45:53:12:0d:e5:36:16:a5:60:26:3e:da:3a:60
# [16:03] <jdm> (check hostfingerprint configuration)
# [16:04] <@khuey> is it really promise.then(func, func)?
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# [16:05] <@ted> jdm: bug 930988
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# [16:06] <@ted> i assume everyone on mac has it, but only people who have installed iTunes have it on windows
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# [16:06] <@bsmedberg> I'd have to check, but IIRC it was <20%
# [16:07] <NeilAway> bsmedberg: not sure what your question is there, a xul:image will already display the -moz-image-region from its list-style-image
# [16:07] <@bsmedberg> NeilAway: turns out that works if you're specifying a list-style-image but not if you're using src=""
# [16:08] <NeilAway> bsmedberg: I believe that's by design
# [16:08] <@bsmedberg> could be, it was just surprising. I noted in in the -moz-image-region docs
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# [16:17] <ttaubert> khuey: almost nothing
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# [16:27] <Ms2ger> If you're going back in time, invent utf-8 earlier, please
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# [16:27] <jcranmer|away> if you're going back in time, convince Unicode that Han unification is a bad idea
# [16:27] <Ms2ger> That too
# [16:27] <Ms2ger> Leave Hitler alone, just fix CJK
# [16:27] <sheppy> If you're going back in time, arrange for everyone to use the same character set.
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# [16:32] <nemo> hm. cisco blob going into firefox? :-/
# [16:32] <nemo> I guess that means no H.264 in ubuntu on my chromebook
# [16:33] <nemo> to say nothing of trusting cisco code
# [16:34] <Yoric> A blob? I thought that was meant to be source?
# [16:34] <Yoric> And, more importantly, a license.
# [16:34] <Gijs> It says BSD in brendan's post
# [16:35] <tbsaunde> nemo: I'm kind of unclear on the issue and why there publishing source but we're using the blobs
# [16:35] <nemo> http://xiphmont.livejournal.com/61927.html
# [16:35] <mstange> Yoric: The source is there for us to look at and and patch upstream, the binary is for us to actually use in the wild
# [16:35] <nemo> linked from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6640324 found by way of https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6640363 where wyager was pointing this out
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# [16:35] <Yoric> mstange: oh...
# [16:35] <tbsaunde> *doesn't
# [16:36] <mstange> Yoric: Patent fees need to be paid by the binary creator, I think
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# [16:37] <tbsaunde> mstange: that's pretty funny but I guess makes as much as the rest of patents
# [16:37] <mstange> yeah
# [16:37] <tbsaunde> man I suck at this english thing
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# [16:39] <@bsmedberg> patents are just hard, that's all
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# [16:40] <brendan> source also important for independent auditing of blob integrity (that it has no back doors)
# [16:40] <brendan> per ken thompson's 1984 turing award lecture, must use bootstrapped open source compiler too, ideally!
# [16:41] <@dolske> relevant: https://madiba.encs.concordia.ca/~x_decarn/truecrypt-binaries-analysis/
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# [16:42] <brendan> Yoric: MPEG LA does not allow anyone (Cisco, eg) to pay once and then provide source to others whose direct and downstream product can use that source w/o paying
# [16:42] <Yoric> Not nice.
# [16:43] <@bsmedberg> we knew that already ;-)
# [16:43] <Yoric> Well, not worse than Flash, I guess, but not nice.
# [16:43] <tbsaunde> brendan: ah, I'm certainly not objecting to releasing source
# [16:43] <brendan> Yoric: better, Flash is closed source
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# [16:43] <Yoric> Indeed.
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# [16:44] <tbsaunde> bsmedberg: given the existance of libx264 I don't mind h264 much compared to other things
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# [16:50] <gps> edmorley|sheriffduty: I have a NPOTB patch in bug 932637 that needs to land in close proximity to bug 877308 (inbound^5) to avoid making a lot of developers unhappy. can I land on a closed tree?
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# [16:51] <edmorley|sheriffduty> gps: yup, DONTBUILD please
# [16:51] <nemo> Wow. by 2015 90% of the mpeg la patents will have expired, but the patent fees will not change
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# [16:52] <@bsmedberg> nemo: market leverage doesn't change based on the total patent count...
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# [16:53] <nemo> bsmedberg: well, at the very least it means a bunch of companies in that pool got a darn good deal
# [16:53] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/84d1adc82b16 - Gregory Szorc - Bug 932637 - mach build-backend should invoke config.status with explicit python; r=glandium
# [16:53] <froydnj> yeah they did
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# [16:54] <nemo> still, hopefuly the more that expire, the weaker the case against alternative codecs becomes
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# [16:54] <gps> edmorley|sheriffduty: thank you
# [16:54] <nemo> you'd think that would imply weakening leverage
# [16:54] <@khuey> I guess it's probably not possible to inspect the hidden window
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# [17:02] <mccr8> edmorley|sheriffduty: what tests and platforms are OOMing?
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# [17:08] <philor> mccr8: counting things where we've just called it a timeout, maybe with a leak, but if you look it timed out just after opening the 605th domwindow, or only counting things that actually say they were OOM?
# [17:09] <mccr8> philor: well, I'm trying to figure out what I should look at in order to fix so we can reopen the trees.
# [17:09] <philor> the very narrowest view possible would be "it's only about Win7 debug M2 and b-c"
# [17:09] <mccr8> ok, thanks. for M2, we should just disable test_rangeFoo.
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# [17:09] <mccr8> I can put together a patch.
# [17:09] <philor> but probably it's the reason ASan b-c was breaking, and maybe the reason we wound up disabling all of dom-level* on Mac
# [17:10] <mccr8> yeah b-c has some problems...
# [17:10] <philor> what are these tests that we'll be disabling doing wrong?
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# [17:10] <@khuey> leaking
# [17:10] <NeilAway> ooh, I see what you mean about the Bugzilla certificate, old versions of Gecko don't recognise it
# [17:10] <philor> how will we avoid writing new tests that do the same wrong thing?
# [17:10] <@khuey> actually idk about range
# [17:10] <@khuey> but bc stuff is leaking
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# [17:10] <mccr8> philor: they try a ton of permutations, but maybe they could be fixed to not hold onto things for so long, or something.
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# [17:11] <mccr8> the people working on the tests already reduced the number of permutations, which bought us time, but apparently that just let us walk closer to the edge of doom...
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# [17:13] <bkero> I'm a bit confused by https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2013/10/30/video-interoperability-on-the-web-gets-a-boost-from-ciscos-h-264-codec/ . How does having another open source h264 implementation (other being x264) stop users from being encumbered by per-view royalties when the gratis period expires in a little over a year?
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# [17:19] <nemo> ahhhhh I updated nightly and it is all hideous and ugly and unusable :(
# [17:19] <nemo> is there a way to fix it?
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# [17:19] <nemo> is like a flat UI gone horribly horribly wrong
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# [17:19] <nemo> huh. and visual artifacts all over. weird
# [17:20] <nemo> whew. profile specific. layers bug I guess
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# [17:21] <RyanVM> nemo: i was going to make a wisecrack about Australis landing :P
# [17:21] <RyanVM> but then obvious troll is obvious
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# [17:22] <nemo> RyanVM: seriously, that's what drifted through my head :)
# [17:22] <philor> mccr8: it's the start of a cycle, how about if we land that "make CC OOM fatal" patch, actually, land the unwritten one to make it fatal in opt builds, and then see where we are?
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# [17:22] <@khuey> edmorley|sheriffduty: how do you feel about mass disabling tests for features that leak?
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# [17:22] <mccr8> philor: I'd think that's just going to make the semi-perma-orange into unstarrable perma-orange
# [17:23] <philor> my guess would be that where we are is "OOM all over all the time"
# [17:23] <mccr8> yes that does seem to be the case.
# [17:23] <nemo> interesting. enabling layers acceleration *fixed* it
# [17:23] <edmorley|sheriffduty> khuey: I'd rather try and fix the leaks, even if that means a multi-day closure tbh
# [17:23] <@khuey> the CC asserts, so that would show up in the tests as an unexpected assertion today, no?
# [17:23] <mccr8> I thought it wasn't so bad, but it seems we were just OOMing past the point where we trigger NS_ASSERTION, or something.
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# [17:23] <@khuey> edmorley|sheriffduty: but I don't even *like* the social API :-P
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# [17:24] <edmorley|sheriffduty> khuey: well we could just disable it entirely
# [17:24] <mccr8> khuey: you'd think, but we seem to trigger them deep in shutdown, and when they were turned into a MOZ_ASSERT it went permaorange on M2
# [17:24] <edmorley|sheriffduty> khuey: I'd be up for that (vs disabling it's tests)
# [17:24] <edmorley|sheriffduty> its
# [17:24] <RyanVM> khuey: DO EEEET
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# [17:25] <philor> I don't like devtools, the error console was plenty, which is handy since you'll need to throw out that baby too
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# [17:25] <@khuey> I think we only need to kill one
# [17:25] <@khuey> but I'm happy to kil ldevtools too
# [17:26] <@khuey> at least until they implement "run to cursor" in their debugger
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# [17:26] <philor> yeah, I guess so far devtools was only killing ASan
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# [17:27] <philor> probably we have weeks left before it gets to anything else
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# [17:27] <@khuey> that's enough time for me to get a job at google
# [17:28] <philor> yeah, I hear they'll hire anyone well up the list at Ohloh
# [17:29] <philor> finally got a recruiter email that actually admitted that was why he was emailing me
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# [17:29] <@khuey> Ohloh is a real company?
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# [17:30] <nemo> philor: heh. I only show up on Ohloh w/ relation to a Pascal project, so I doubt I'll be getting many recruiters :)
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# [17:30] <nemo> oh, and one C project I guess, although I never linked the two
# [17:30] <@khuey> ok, who is awake and can be crucified to pay for the sins of FrameWorker.jsm?
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# [17:30] <philor> no, Google recruiter saying that http://www.ohloh.net/p/firefox was why he thought I should work for Google
# [17:31] <@khuey> ah
# [17:31] <@khuey> that's great
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# [17:31] <nemo> http://dxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/toolkit/components/social/FrameWorker.jsm
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# [17:31] <nemo> hum. "implementation of a "Shared Worker" using a remote browser in the hidden DOM window."
# [17:31] <@khuey> I guess I should crucify jrmuizel since he destroyed blame for this file
# [17:31] <@khuey> and took it all for himself
# [17:32] <nigelb> lol
# [17:32] <nemo> I wish it was easier to drill past a revision in "blame"
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# [17:32] <nemo> should be a single click to do that
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# [17:33] <nemo> https://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/annotate/71c12e1acfef/toolkit/components/social/FrameWorker.jsm
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# [17:34] <nemo> https://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/annotate/526505030062/toolkit/components/social/FrameWorker.jsm
# [17:35] * nemo goes w/ gavin as the winner
# [17:35] <@khuey> nah
# [17:35] <@khuey> this was caused by 891218
# [17:35] <nemo> ?
# [17:36] <nemo> is that a revision #?
# [17:36] <nemo> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=891218 I guess
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# [17:37] <@khuey> yeah
# [17:37] <@khuey> bug #
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# [17:38] <nemo> khuey: so since you broadcast it, what's the prob? :)
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# [17:38] <nemo> only vaguely ominous thing in that bug was comment #11
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# [17:40] <@khuey> nemo: FrameWorker adds iframes to the hiddenWindow
# [17:40] <@khuey> and never ever removes them
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# [17:40] <@khuey> it tries to remove them
# [17:40] <@khuey> but it fails
# [17:40] <nemo> oh nice.
# [17:40] <nemo> hm.
# [17:41] <nemo> glad I don't use social/* anything
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# [17:41] <bz> khuey: I wish we could make adding iframes to hiddenWindow just throw. :(
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# [17:43] <@khuey> bz: seriously
# [17:43] <@khuey> bz: fucking evil
# [17:43] <@khuey> ok, I unfucked social
# [17:43] <mccr8> our hero!
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# [17:44] <@khuey> smaug did the hard work :-P
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# [17:44] <edmorley|sheriffduty> hueyfix: unfucked social edition
# [17:45] <RyanVM> haha
# [17:45] <@khuey> we really need to hueyfix chrome->chrome
# [17:45] <@khuey> that would fix all these leaks
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# [17:45] <@khuey> we punted on it cause it broke compartment per global
# [17:45] <RyanVM> khuey: so this will need to get on aurora/beta too, right?
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# [17:45] <@khuey> RyanVM: yeah
# [17:45] <bholley> Honza: ping
# [17:45] <@khuey> I don't have to cross that bridge at 1 am though
# [17:45] <Honza> bholley: pong
# [17:46] <@khuey> who wants to review changes to FrameWorker.jsm?
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# [17:46] <froydnj> rs=horde-of-angry-developers-with-patches-to-checkin
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# [17:46] <@khuey> there's no way you can do a worse job than the previous reviewers?
# [17:46] <Standard8> khuey: you could try mixedpuppy
# [17:46] <@khuey> s/?//
# [17:46] <bholley> Honza: so, I'm refactoring and simplifying the situation with script disabling
# [17:46] <bholley> Honza: and as usual, I've run into some stuff in JSD
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# [17:47] <Honza> bholley: I see
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# [17:47] <bholley> Honza: extension/content/firebug/js/debugger.js is still actively used, right?
# [17:47] <Honza> bholley: yes
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# [17:47] <bholley> Honza: so, what is it doing with scriptsEnabled here?
# [17:48] <bholley> Honza: officially, it sets it "on the context"
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# [17:48] <bholley> Honza: which _mostly_ means on the current global, but that changes when we navigate
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# [17:48] <bholley> Honza: can I convert it to operate directly on the global?
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# [17:50] <Honza> The purpose of the freeze method is to pause all script (e.g. timeouts) when the debugger pauses.
# [17:50] <Honza> bholley: my feeling is that using global should be fine
# [17:50] <Honza> bug I would have to test
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# [17:50] <bholley> Honza: is there any chance that we might navigate between freeze and thaw?
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# [17:51] <mccr8> edmorley: so, these test_Range things have been a problem before. see bug 875585.
# [17:51] <edmorley|sheriffduty> khuey: I think we should also block reopening on working out why ttaubert's window leak check isn;'t working
# [17:51] <Honza> by navigate - you mean to another Firefox tab? If yes, then yes
# [17:51] <edmorley|sheriffduty> khuey: (not saying that person should be you fwiw)
# [17:51] <@khuey> edmorley|sheriffduty: ok, who is going to look into that?
# [17:51] <mccr8> edmorley|sheriffduty: we've disabled them before and maybe it isn't the problem by itself, but a lot of it is the test is wonky.
# [17:52] <@khuey> edmorley|sheriffduty: because I am going to go to sleep ;-)
# [17:52] <mccr8> edmorley|sheriffduty: though they did make it better
# [17:52] <bholley> Honza: no, I mean that the page itself navigates to a new window
# [17:52] <bholley> Honza: er, new URL
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# [17:52] <bholley> Honza: the page we're trying to pause
# [17:52] <RyanVM> mccr8: we basically went symptom-free after the pull from upstream
# [17:52] <RyanVM> seems like something regressed on our end if they're causing problems again
# [17:52] <Honza> no, it should not be possible, the page/JS is paused in the debugger.
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# [17:53] <bholley> Honza: and if the user just enters something in the URL bar, we should unload the debugger and call thaw() before the navigation happens?
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# [17:53] <Honza> bholley: yes, and the same with refresh (F5)
# [17:53] <mccr8> RyanVM: well, njn landed a patch that slightly increased hash table usage in debug builds, which seems to be part of the problem
# [17:53] <bholley> Honza: great
# [17:54] <mccr8> RyanVM: basically we're very close to a threshold
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# [17:54] <mccr8> there were some symptoms of failures before everything fell apart (bug 919856)
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# [17:56] <RyanVM> mccr8: i'd be curious to know what happened around 9-23 that made that one start happening
# [17:56] <mccr8> RyanVM: yeah, I should look at a change log thing...
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# [17:57] <RyanVM> mccr8: i have some handy hg aliases setup for try bisecting, but that'd obviously be going the slow route :)
# [17:57] * @khuey puts his money on 863447 for what broke hte leak checker
# [17:57] <mccr8> RyanVM: and please feel free to CC me on any large intermittent leak (>1mb or so)
# [17:57] <RyanVM> but definitive :)
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# [17:59] <mccr8> RyanVM: What's the URL for that thing where I can enter dates and see what was pushed in that range?
# [17:59] <@khuey> mccr8: patch is up for social
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# [17:59] <bz> mccr8: pushlog?
# [17:59] <bz> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/pushloghtml and company
# [17:59] <froydnj> khuey: and ttaubert r+, even better
# [17:59] <RyanVM> mccr8: pushloghtml?from=&to=
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# [17:59] <RyanVM> should work
# [17:59] <mccr8> ok. I guess I need to figure out the right format for the dates. thanks.
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# [18:00] <RyanVM> mccr8: you can also fromchange=, tochange=
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# [18:00] <RyanVM> if you want to use hashes
# [18:00] <@khuey> froydnj: well I might be wrong :-)
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# [18:01] <mccr8> khuey: you need to get somebody else to review that, I don't understand the patch at all. :P
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# [18:01] <@khuey> mccr8: who gives a shit
# [18:01] <@khuey> the author didn't understand what was going on either
# [18:02] <@khuey> note to self: you get grumpy when you're tired
# [18:02] <@bsmedberg> heh
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# [18:02] <@bsmedberg> eat a snickers!
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# [18:03] <@khuey> smaug: want to review 932867?
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# [18:04] <mccr8> I think it would take more than a snickers for that.
# [18:05] <bent> Yoric, ping
# [18:05] <@khuey> not even sure where I would buy a snickers here
# [18:05] <bent> khuey, fermented snickers
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# [18:13] <@khuey> edmorley|sheriffduty: someone else needs to land 932867, I'm going to sleep
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# [18:14] <edmorley|sheriffduty> khuey: ty
# [18:14] <edmorley|sheriffduty> khuey: sleep well!
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# [18:16] <bz> uh
# [18:16] <bz> mozilla::VectorBase::growStorageBy
# [18:16] <bz> Does not use realloc?
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# [18:17] <@khuey> it does if your type is POD
# [18:17] <@khuey> otherwise it does ctor/dtors to get hte right behavior
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# [18:21] <@smaug> felipe: want to look at Bug 932867
# [18:22] <@khuey> idle for 20 hours
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# [18:29] <felipe> smaug: i've seen it, looks fine
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# [18:29] <Gijs> smaug: nit: s/foo.parentNode.removeChild(foo)/foo.remove()/
# [18:29] <Gijs> (because for serious)
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# [18:30] <@smaug> hmm, did we implement remove() already
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# [18:30] <bz> Yes
# [18:30] <bz> We did
# [18:30] <paul> when?
# [18:30] <paul> Is it new?
# [18:30] <Gijs> I think it's existed for a while now...
# [18:31] <bz> paul: Firefox 23
# [18:31] <paul> nice. https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/ChildNode.remove
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# [18:31] <paul> thanks
# [18:31] <bz> I guess devmo says that too
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# [18:32] <bz> hmm
# [18:32] <bz> how come no test runs on gps' push to inbound?
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# [18:36] <bz> wasn't showing up in the default tbpl view, ok
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# [18:51] <bjacob> bent: is there a global IPCOpen() flag somewhere, that I could query?
# [18:51] <bent> bjacob, no
# [18:52] <bjacob> bent: ok thanks
# [18:52] <bent> hard to know what it would mean though, there can be multiple processes
# [18:52] <@ted> khuey|away: wish we had tests for our tests
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# [18:52] <@ted> so we could know that our leak detector was broken
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# [19:08] <Gijs> do we know why the leak detector was broken?
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# [19:09] <mccr8> nope
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# [19:09] <evilpie> did it have tests?
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# [19:09] <Mitch> Not sure if Mozilla or Fukushima Daichi reactor.
# [19:10] <Optimizer> what does this mean : http://pastebin.mozilla.org/3383329 ? (windows 7 )
# [19:10] <@ted> hi mitch
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# [19:11] <@bsmedberg> Optimizer: it means that you need to ask glandium ;-)
# [19:12] <Optimizer> It might also mean that I am already asking glandium
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# [19:17] <Optimizer> gps: any idea about the error above ?
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# [19:19] <dustin> is it safe to use for..of in chrome?
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# [19:20] <dustin> or should I use Array.every instead?
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# [19:20] <tbsaunde> mccr8: can you use a hand with any of the leak stuff?
# [19:20] <@bsmedberg> dustin: use for..of
# [19:20] <dustin> ok, tx
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# [19:21] <mccr8> tbsaunde: Nah, I'm just poking around the m2 log to try to figure out what is going on there.
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# [19:22] <tbsaunde> mccr8: ok, I probably have cycles if you find you need something
# [19:22] <mccr8> thanks
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# [19:23] <davidb> tbsaunde: sure.. anything to avoid bug 888531 :)
# [19:23] <gps> Optimizer: it means you updated between branches in a way the build system doesn't like
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# [19:23] <Optimizer> :(
# [19:23] <gps> Optimizer: run ./config.status from your objdir and things should recover
# [19:24] <gps> if that doesn't work, run |mach configure|
# [19:24] <tbsaunde> davidb: its kind of pointless to fix crashes if I can't land the patches
# [19:24] <Optimizer> gps: mach configure needs a clobber :
# [19:24] <Optimizer> :|
# [19:25] <Optimizer> next I will be getting is tha t|mach clobber| needs a clobber ..
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# [19:26] <gps> Optimizer: FWIW, by building through a wrapper tool (like mach), we can better detect issues like this. see my dev-platform post from yesterday and read the bug for gory details
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# [19:27] <gabor> anyone knows how can I make the ~ (NOT) symbol to work in mxr file matching?
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# [19:27] <Optimizer> but that post said stop reading it if you build via mach build
# [19:28] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> mccr8: fwiw, you have blanket r=me for any speculative fixes you want to push :)
# [19:28] <mccr8> RyanVM|sheriffduty: hah ok, thanks...
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# [19:28] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> (in case there was any doubt about that)
# [19:29] <mccr8> maybe I should just land the disabling of Range-surroundContents...
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# [19:29] <mccr8> RyanVM|sheriffduty: so is this the right way to disable a test only on windows?
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# [19:29] <mccr8> https://bug932781.bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=824783
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# [19:30] <mccr8> I don't know what the start of the art is for make files...
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# [19:34] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/e1718472289d - Karen Rudnitski - Bug 903084 - Add Bing as a general search provider for specified locales for Fennec. r=blassey, a=lsblakk
# [19:34] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/b6a9fdb88bf2 - Alexandre Poirot - Bug 927108 - Fix certified app actor installation. r=paul, a=lsblakk
# [19:34] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/cb61b014195f - Brad Lassey - Bug 903082 - Add Yahoo as a general search provider for specified locales for Fennec. r=mfinkle, a=lsblakk
# [19:34] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/2c4fd4ea9c0e - Brad Lassey - Bug 923795 - Add condition to MozParam to detect top 2 (or N) position. r=gavin, a=lsblakk
# [19:35] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/3389719f188a - Brian Nicholson - Bug 924968 - Do an update or insert instead of multiple operations when pinning site. r=rnewman, a=lsblakk
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# [19:40] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> mccr8: the manifests use the same style as xpcshell these days
# [19:41] <mccr8> I guess that's a no then.
# [19:41] <rnewman> RyanVM|sheriffduty: yo
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# [19:42] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> mccr8: oh, imptests
# [19:42] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> yuck, I have bad feeling about disabling those
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# [19:43] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> rnewman: nvm, sorted it out I think - but you might want to take a look at what I just landed on m-b :)
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# [20:34] <mccr8> I requested a few retriggers of Win7 debug BC on inbound, so we can see how that is looking.
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# [20:38] <@bsmedberg> tbsaunde: am I supposed to be reviewing both patches on bug 931792?
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# [20:41] <tbsaunde> bsmedberg: I think only mine, iirc the first one doesn't actually work according to decoder
# [20:42] <@bsmedberg> tbsaunde: is there a doc of what a canary is/does?
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# [20:42] <tbsaunde> bsmedberg: I know nothing about that code other than what I've read in nsThread.cpp
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# [20:44] <tbsaunde> bsmedberg: but my impression is that it has something to do with dumping stacks on hangs
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# [20:47] <overholt> mccr8, I unfortunately missed the bindings meeting on Monday. do we have anything other than "rewrite in C++" for JS-implemented stuff on workers?
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# [20:48] <mccr8> overholt: I think the other ideas were something like "autogenerate bindings that forward everything to the main process" and "make bholley implement mini-XPConnect for workers"
# [20:48] <overholt> :)
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# [20:49] <overholt> mccr8, so I guess the bottom line is baku or someone else needs to re-implement DataStore in C++
# [20:49] <mccr8> maybe we could just put the implementations in a different... global or something, and then we'd need Xrays or something...
# [20:49] <overholt> since it's needed soon
# [20:50] <mccr8> overholt: yeah it didn't sound like anything we proposed would be doable quickly, but you should ask bz or somebody because I didn't entirely follow all the discussion
# [20:50] <overholt> mccr8, okay, thanks
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# [20:51] <fabrice> overholt: why do we need to reimplement DataStore?
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# [20:53] <overholt> fabrice, to get it on workers
# [20:53] <fabrice> ha, yes
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# [21:02] <jaws> bsmedberg: filed bug 932966 and CC'd you
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# [21:05] <jimm> RyanVM|sheriffduty: are we planning on merging all the trees so they are in sync for the big push to land after we open back up?
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# [21:09] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> jimm: yes, we're overdue for some merging
# [21:09] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> not sure it's going to be me doing them at this point, though :P
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# [21:14] <philor> no hurry, two of the three things in https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=932781#c11 are still unowned
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# [21:18] <spohl> froydnj: if that makes you an idiot, I think virtually everybody's an idiot. :-)
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# [21:18] <spohl> froydnj: one big family!
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# [21:19] <spohl> froydnj: btw, just wanted to say that your work is awesome. it's like reading a stephen king book: can't wait to see what happens next.
# [21:20] <froydnj> spohl: thanks!
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# [21:21] <bgrins> hello, I'm looking into the leaks in Bug 932880, and had a question about how to enable the same level of logging as seen in https://bug932880.bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=824741. When my test ends, all I see is this: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/3384021
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# [21:24] <@bsmedberg> aklotz: ping
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# [21:25] <aklotz> bsmedberg: pong
# [21:25] <@bsmedberg> aklotz: still wrapping my head around bug 852164 (locking in crashreporterparent for the hang detector)
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# [21:25] <@bsmedberg> aklotz: TerminateChildProcess is run on a non-main thread?
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# [21:26] <aklotz> bsmedberg: Sometimes. When it's being called by the Plugin Hang UI, yes.
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# [21:26] <@bsmedberg> aklotz: what makes the call to ->AnnotateCrashReport thread-safe?
# [21:26] <@bsmedberg> CrashReporterParent doesn't appear to have any locking internally
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# [21:27] <@bsmedberg> or does this patch also fix that problem?
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# [21:29] <aklotz> bsmedberg: Yes, this patch is supposed to ensure mutual exclusion for both accessing the CrashReporterParent pointer and calling functions on that object
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# [21:34] <@smaug> ttaubert: oh, perhaps leak detector can't see those windows
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# [21:34] <@smaug> since they are very much in the hidden window still
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# [21:34] <@smaug> so they are optimized out from normal CC graph
# [21:34] <ttaubert> smaug: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=932898#c6
# [21:34] <ttaubert> oh yeah, I think my comment says the same
# [21:34] <@bz> smaug: thanks for the fast reviews!
# [21:35] <@bsmedberg> aklotz: so the locking in OnChannelError/OnChannelClose is what you're using to lock around ActorDestroy and all the annotations it performs?
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# [21:35] <@smaug> bz: took a bit time to figure out what that special case was
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# [21:36] <aklotz> bsmedberg: Yes, and not just annotations, also the destruction of the PCrashReporterParent
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# [21:41] <jaws> felipe: is element.parentNode.removeChild(element) better than element.remove()?
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# [21:41] <jaws> felipe: i would say for readability it would be better to just use the remove method on the Element interface
# [21:42] <jaws> https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/element
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# [21:43] <@bz> jaws: only if you need cross-browser compat
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# [21:44] <jaws> bz: yeah, and that's not necessary. i was just looking at the patch for bug 932867
# [21:44] <jaws> https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/e57be1a13a00
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# [21:46] <felipe> yeah, it was mentioned earlier too.. the patch was ready so I didn't think it would be necessary to change it further
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# [21:50] <seth> anyone seen this error with bzexport? Warning: 'NoneType' object is not iterable
# [21:50] <seth> just started for me today
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# [21:51] <sfink> I remember getting that a while back. Are you up to date?
# [21:51] <seth> sfink: yup, just pulled to be sure
# [21:51] <sfink> pastebin the stack?
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# [21:52] <seth> sfink: it doesn't give me a stack; is there some way to make it do so?
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# [21:53] <sfink> hm. I thought it did that for me automatically. Uh, try running with hg --debug?
# [21:53] <sfink> or maybe it's eating the stack with an explicit catch.
# [21:53] <mccr8> bgrins: are you using a debug build?
# [21:54] <mccr8> bgrins: you need a debug build, and to not have MOZ_QUIET set in your environment to see the --DOMWINDOW messages
# [21:54] <seth> sfink: alas i lost the error now =\ i fixed it by restarting firefox with a different profile and then changing back to the original
# [21:54] <seth> sfink: perhaps it was an issue on FF's side?
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# [21:54] <sfink> I was going to suggest logging out of bugzilla and logging back in. But yeah, it may have been guessing at the wrong default profile.
# [21:54] <sfink> bad error message
# [21:55] <sfink> it probably wasn't finding your login token
# [21:55] <seth> yeah, it said something about that on the line following the error
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# [21:56] <bgrins> mccr8 thanks, I am now. I had changed the .mozconfig but it wasn't sticking so I ended up running make -f client.mk configure. In the middle of a build now, going to see if it works
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# [21:56] <mccr8> bgrins: okay, great! the easiest thing to do is to do ./mach clobber then ./mach build
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# [21:57] <bgrins> mccr8 ok cool, will do next time. I grabbed the instructions from: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Configuring_Build_Options
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# [21:58] <seth> sfink: actually, as long as we're talking about bzexport, i have a question for ya
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# [21:58] <seth> sfink: would it be possible to make bzexport warn if the filename of the patch contains what looks like a bug number, and it's different from the bug number in the commit message?
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# [21:59] <seth> sfink: i have often flubbed one or the other of those and ended up posting a patch to the wrong bug
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# [21:59] <sfink> seth: certainly possible. File a bug? bzexport newbug -C bzexport -e
# [21:59] <sfink> argh
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# [21:59] <sfink> hg newbug -C bzexport -e
# [21:59] <seth> heh, will do =)
# [21:59] <sfink> (I can't remember the actual product)
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# [22:00] <seth> sfink: thanks for making bzexport. it rocks =)
# [22:00] <sfink> I didn't!
# [22:00] <sfink> it was ted
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# [22:00] <seth> ah ok.. i thought you did since i was just reading a post about it on your blog =)
# [22:01] <seth> well, thanks for contributing to it at least =)
# [22:01] <sfink> yeah, that was talking about the create a bug addition. But I'm the main maintainer at this point.
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# [22:06] <tanvi> does anyone know/remember how to run mochitest-5 with mach? the mochitest wiki pages haven't been updated, and I can't remember the command. ./mach somethingsoemthing mochitest-5
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# [22:09] <gaston> froydnj: oh so pushing to b2g-inbound when m-i is closed is not frowned upon ? :)
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# [22:09] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> gaston: it's open
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# [22:09] <mbrubeck> tanvi: mach test M5
# [22:09] <mbrubeck> or "mach test mochitest-5"
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# [22:10] <mbrubeck> (there are some shorthand aliases for convenience)
# [22:10] <gaston> RyanVM|sheriffduty: isnt it... pushing the problem elsewhere ? :)
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# [22:11] <tanvi> mbrubeck: thanks!
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# [22:12] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> gaston: we're getting by on the loophole that it doesn't run the tests that are having all the problems :P
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# [22:12] <gaston> hehehe
# [22:12] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> and making the very optimistic assumption that nobody will further break them there in the mean time
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# [22:13] <gaston> indeed!
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# [22:13] <gaston> b2g-i is known to not break things further anyway, right ?
# [22:13] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> gaston: though that's why I'm sticking to regular b-i stuff landing there
# [22:13] <tanvi> tried to edit the mochitest mdn page to include the mach command. and of course it fails because i have referrers turned off on my browser. *sigh*
# [22:13] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> and not going hog-wild
# [22:14] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> gaston: most of what hits b-i is npotb for windows
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# [22:14] <gaston> ah but only windows is broken, got it
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# [22:14] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> noticeably anyway
# [22:14] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> we're not convinced other OSes aren't too and are just coping better
# [22:15] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> i.e. maybe the reason for the dom-level* disablings on OSX
# [22:15] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> who knows
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# [22:18] <gaston> all that stuff is just mindblowing for somewhat-outsiders like me :)
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# [22:19] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> gaston: CC/GC is pretty mindblowing to me in general :P
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# [22:21] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> philor: mccr8: well, those bc retriggers look promising
# [22:22] <mccr8> RyanVM|sheriffduty: woo
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# [22:22] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> mccr8: M2 on the other hand... :P
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# [22:23] <mccr8> RyanVM|sheriffduty: njn is working on some stuff to claw back our debug hash table memory usage. we can also disable that one test and see if that helps.
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# [22:23] <mccr8> RyanVM|sheriffduty: I'm working on figuring out why we have so many windows live at once... or at least, which windows they are.
# [22:23] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> mccr8: ok
# [22:24] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> mccr8: first week of the cycle, so let's fix this right if we can :)
# [22:24] <st3fan> who can help me with a crash in PluginModuleChild::DeallocNPObject() ?
# [22:24] <mccr8> RyanVM|sheriffduty: it isn't clear there is a "right fix"
# [22:24] <mccr8> the hashtable stuff just pushed us over a threshold
# [22:24] <mccr8> is the theory
# [22:25] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> mccr8: were you going to push that disabling to inbound?
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# [22:25] <mccr8> RyanVM|sheriffduty: I don't know what the right syntax is
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# [22:26] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> mccr8: oh, right
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# [22:26] <jimm> RyanVM|sheriffduty: there's a merge conflict on b2g and fx-team as of a few minutes ago.
# [22:26] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> I'm just remember past problems trying to selectively kill imported tests
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# [22:26] <mccr8> ah
# [22:26] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> jimm: OK
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# [22:27] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> jimm: you and kats?
# [22:27] <jimm> I'd like to back out 0191d92d4f42 on fx-team to get out of the way of kats patch on b2g. (because I'm a nice guy despite landing first!)
# [22:27] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> jimm: how bad is the conflict?
# [22:27] <jimm> pretty bad, can't be touched up.
# [22:27] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> ah, go for it then
# [22:28] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> thanks for the heads-up
# [22:28] <jimm> sure
# [22:28] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> i would like to merge everything around tonight on the closed trees
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# [22:28] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> so at least the bc fix is landed
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# [22:30] <WG9s> RyanVM|sheriffduty: what is outlook on getting trunk open? Issue is I have a android only on-liner I would like to have landed sooner thatn later so that I can ask for aurora approval based partly on it being on trunk with no issues.
# [22:31] <WG9s> if i cant get it lnaded on trunk then that is not going to really wwork.
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# [22:34] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> WG9s: 2 of the 3 issues blocking reopening are still being worked on
# [22:34] <WG9s> OK but not going to be weeks more like a day at most?
# [22:35] <WG9s> this jsut really looked like an issue no one really has any idea about.
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# [22:35] <WG9s> as to the acuse or even when the issue first started.
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# [22:36] <WG9s> fi was going to take several days to sort then allowing patches on specific areas only (like android) might make sense.
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# [22:38] <WG9s> bascially trying to make sure my patch for https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=931469 has time to get aurora approval bqased on being on mozilla-central for a week or so with no new issues.
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# [22:39] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> WG9s: dunno yet, but I'm guessing we'd be looking for other options before it dragged on for weeks
# [22:39] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> WG9s: it's the first week of the cycle
# [22:39] <WG9s> i kind of figured that.
# [22:39] <WG9s> just asking.
# [22:39] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> the bar for aurora approval isn't *that* high
# [22:40] <WG9s> oddly it is being loked at as a win-32 has this issue becuase it is 32-bit and nothing can be done yet linux 32-bit builds don;t see this issue so not sure that makes sense.
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# [22:41] <@bz> "A W3C spec just isn't the right place to try to limit the functionality of the web in the name of safety."
# [22:41] <@bz> Ah, mailinglists....
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# [22:41] <geekboy> bz: is this about the new WebSyscall API? ;-)
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# [22:42] <WG9s> RyanVM|sheriffduty: but I would like to be abel to say in the first few weeks of cycle has been on mozilla-central for a week with no issue.
# [22:42] <froydnj> "the web: enough thread to hang yourself...guaranteed"
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# [22:43] <mcsmurf> WG9s: dont worry, I'm sure they'll resolve the problems soon
# [22:43] <gaston> geekboy: please, tell me it's a joke :)
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# [22:43] * geekboy quickly roughs out an internet draft
# [22:43] <gaston> :)
# [22:43] <@dolske> in other news, I just wrote an addon that allows a web page to reboot the system. (seriously. for a good cause!)
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# [22:44] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> reuben: b-i bustage
# [22:44] <WG9s> mcsmurf: I know I am just a bit antse about this. seems to me these things always work themselves out no matter how unlikely it seems.
# [22:44] <reuben> RyanVM|sheriffduty: I saw, I'll back it out in a bit
# [22:44] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> reuben: k
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# [22:46] <@njn> RyanVM|sheriffduty: I am working on pldhash, but don't count on it fixing the Win7 M2 failures -- my test pushes just changed the failures from the ones in bug 929359 to the (older) ones in bug 919856
# [22:46] <@njn> RyanVM|sheriffduty: I'm just tinkering around the edges, really
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# [22:47] <@njn> RyanVM|sheriffduty: my changes might slightly reduce the failure rate, at best
# [22:47] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> mccr8: can you push your patch to Try to see if it works or not?
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# [22:47] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> I don't know if it will, but that's pretty risk-free anyway
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# [22:47] <mccr8> sure
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# [22:54] <WeirdAl> so what's the last known good mozilla-central checkout before this OOM wonkiness?
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# [22:55] <mccr8> WeirdAl: It has been semi bad for a long time...
# [22:55] <WeirdAl> oh.
# [22:55] <WeirdAl> now it's breaking semi-bad? :p
# [22:55] <Gijs> mccr8: ping
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# [22:56] <WG9s> WeirdAl: issue is looked different until andother patch landed that changed it to an OOM issue. but was really broken before.
# [22:56] <WeirdAl> bummer
# [22:56] <mccr8> Gijs: pong
# [22:56] <Gijs> mccr8: ttaubert and I are looking at the mochitest listener and why it's no longer alerting us to shutdown leaks
# [22:56] <mccr8> great!
# [22:57] <Gijs> mccr8: I discovered that back in january, smaug and you worked on the CC listener and added this allTraces() thing?
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# [22:57] <Gijs> mccr8: can you explain that feature to ttaubert and me?
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# [22:57] <Gijs> we're confused because the mochitest listener isn't using that
# [22:57] <Gijs> if we enable it, we see lots more leaks, including things we think aren't actually leaks (e.g. the newtab preloader)
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# [22:58] <mccr8> Gijs: normally, the CC trims out a lot of the graph, like DOM nodes in a document that is currently being displayed
# [22:58] <mccr8> Gijs: but with that set, we try to not skip any of it.
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# [22:58] <mccr8> Gijs: so you'll get weirdness like the currently displayed tab being in it
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# [22:59] <mccr8> Gijs: but we also do things like, say, skip things being held alive by the current hidden window, which in this case is something we want to know about...
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# [22:59] <ttaubert> mccr8: right... that makes sense. the whole leak detection relies on those optimizations though
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# [23:00] <mccr8> ttaubert: yeah, it is kind of unfortunate because I guess that's why you don't detect "live leaks" like stuff being stuck onto the hidden window and not being cleaned up...
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# [23:01] <ttaubert> right. we had a counter before, that counted dom windows as they were created and tracked which tests did that
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# [23:01] <ttaubert> sounds look we maybe want/need a combination of some sort
# [23:02] <ttaubert> although this approach has lots of false negatives
# [23:02] <mccr8> yeah. :-/
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# [23:02] <ttaubert> or positives, however you see that
# [23:02] <ttaubert> :)
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# [23:04] <ttaubert> mccr8: am I right in assuming that we should be able to catch this? http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/dom/indexedDB/test/browser_bug839193.js
# [23:04] <Gijs> (observers being added but not removed)
# [23:04] <bent> froydnj, ping
# [23:04] <ttaubert> Gijs: you were faster than me :)
# [23:05] <Gijs> ttaubert: teamwork! ;)
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# [23:05] <ttaubert> yay
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# [23:06] <mccr8> ttaubert: I'm not sure what you mean
# [23:06] <ttaubert> mccr8: there are two observers that are added but never removed
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# [23:06] <ttaubert> mccr8: and this 839193.xul is shown in mochitest log so it seems leaked until shutdown
# [23:06] <mccr8> ttaubert: ah, yeah, it does seem like we should be able to detect something like that...
# [23:07] <ttaubert> mccr8: ok, maybe we should start looking into why we don't
# [23:07] <mccr8> things not clearing up listeners has been a problem on b2g too
# [23:07] <glandium> that openh264 thing feels like both a good and a bad news
# [23:08] <gaston> glandium: directly loading binaries from a third party in the browser ? would could go wrong.
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# [23:19] <@roc> is there a bug for the leaks caused by test_Range?
# [23:20] <mccr8> roc: 875585 is sort of that
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# [23:20] <mccr8> particular manifestations are the various bugs blocking it
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# [23:20] <glandium> njn: yes, please
# [23:21] <@roc> do we know anything about why those tests OOM?
# [23:21] <nalexander> njn: ++
# [23:21] <@njn> Working title: "a tale of leaks and woe"
# [23:21] <glandium> we should also do something to detect those problems before we get to OOM
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# [23:22] <@njn> glandium: one of the open questions is why did our pre-existing machinery to detect this stop working
# [23:22] <@roc> ah https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=778011#c3
# [23:22] <mccr8> roc: well, they used to test every possible permutation of something or other, but that was reduced so it shouldn't be too bad. I'm not sure exactly what the tests are doing...
# [23:22] <mccr8> yeah that sounds bad
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# [23:23] <@njn> roc: I saw tons of Range-test-iframe.html windows alive at the end
# [23:23] <@roc> yes
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# [23:44] <froydnj> bent: pong (thx for the reviews)
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# [23:45] <bent> froydnj, hey, you're welcome
# [23:45] <bent> froydnj, can i see some sample generated headers?
# [23:45] <bent> pastebin is fine
# [23:45] <froydnj> bent: sure, let me regenerate them
# [23:45] <bent> thx
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# [23:50] <froydnj> bent: https://pastebin.mozilla.org/3384851 https://pastebin.mozilla.org/3384861
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# [23:52] <froydnj> hm, we could probably do a better job in PBrowser.h
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# [23:52] <aja> heycam: ping (priority=low)
# [23:53] <heycam> aja, pong
# [23:54] <aja> heycam: get a chance to look at keyboard focus for details/summary at all?
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# [23:54] <heycam> aja, not yet; got distracted with some scoped style regressions this week. details/summary is next on my todo list though, promise. :)
# [23:55] <bent> froydnj, hm, in PBrowserChild.h a bunch of includes come in midway through the file
# [23:55] <bent> any way we could just do the includes at the top?
# [23:56] <aja> heycam: k...if it was gonna be a while, was gonna ask for a newer version try build. i'll just wait for your next iteration
# [23:57] <froydnj> bent: yeah, I don't think that'd be too hard
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# [23:57] <heycam> aja, can easily push one again if you want one
# [23:57] <bent> froydnj, it makes reading harder for sure
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# [23:57] <heycam> will have the same level of functionality as the last one tho
# [23:57] <aja> heycam: nah, don't bother
# [23:57] <heycam> k
# [23:57] <bent> froydnj, also, we lost newlines
# [23:57] <bent> froydnj, after includes, and around the forward-declares
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# [23:58] <glandium> froydnj: all the log functions are identical
# [23:58] <froydnj> glandium: welcome to ipdl
# [23:59] <froydnj> why put things in common code when you can codegen them? ;)
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# [23:59] <froydnj> in all seriousness, I think the log method are supposed to include members of the class
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