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# Session Start: Thu Oct 31 00:00:00 2013
# Session Ident: #developers
# [00:00] <froydnj> but nobody's written the code
# [00:00] <froydnj> dunno if those log methods even get used
# [00:00] <froydnj> probably could stand to be out-of-line anyway
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# [00:02] <froydnj> oh, I see, you weren't pasting all the output before ;)
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# [00:06] <froydnj> bent: do you want to see the patch again once the codegen formatting problems are fixed?
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# [00:14] <WeirdAl> oh, great, now pymake sdk is busted
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# [00:16] <philor> hmm, 10.6 opt M1 on aurora fails around 50% with unfiled timeouts and failure
# [00:16] <bent> froydnj, nah, that's ok, i just want to aim towards more readable, not less ;)
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# [00:21] <mjh563> where's the b2g26 tree in tbpl?
# [00:21] <mjh563> it's not in the list of trees
# [00:21] <philor> tbpl-dev.allizom.org
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# [00:22] <mjh563> philor: thx
# [00:22] <spenrose> I have a question about landing a patch for m-c, 95% of which has previously been landed in elm. This is for https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=911384
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# [00:29] <mcsmurf> spenrose: ?
# [00:30] <spenrose> mcsmurf looking for guidance from those who accept patches to mozilla-central on how to make their lives easier
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# [00:30] <spenrose> … We have a big patch that landed in elm, and two small tweaks to it …
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# [00:31] <spenrose> … and we want to get all three landed in mozilla-central (rolled up into a single patch, if that is best)
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# [00:34] <mcsmurf> spenrose: hm, not sure which kind of advice you're looking for :) (maybe also because I'm not familiar with elm branch)
# [00:35] <mcsmurf> like technical advice for landing/pushing the patch to mozilla-central?
# [00:35] <mcsmurf> or what the requirements are to land a patch there?
# [00:35] <spenrose> mcsmurf exactly
# [00:36] <spenrose> mcsmurf for example, would reviewers like to see a patch that already landed in elm, exactly as is, plus 2 tweaks, or a single unified patch?
# [00:36] <spenrose> … or anything else that would help
# [00:36] <mcsmurf> so it still needs extra review for m-c?
# [00:37] <mcsmurf> then I would merge the patches together
# [00:37] <@khuey> KWierso_: who is sheriff now?
# [00:37] <spenrose> presumably. it was r+ by Richard Newman
# [00:37] <spenrose> s/it/all three
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# [00:39] <mcsmurf> didn't rnewman review m-c patches in the past?
# [00:39] <philor> khuey: you mean KWierso|afk, KWierso_ is a ghost
# [00:39] <@khuey> mmm unfortunate
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# [00:39] <@khuey> so what is keeping us from reopening the tree?
# [00:39] <philor> comment 11
# [00:39] <mcsmurf> spenrose: to be honest, you and richard are very likely more familiar with m-c reviews rules than I am :D
# [00:39] <mcsmurf> (at least richard is I think)
# [00:39] <spenrose> mcsmurf I'll take your word for it. I'm asking because I really have no idea of the context or mores here. // OK then :-)
# [00:39] <mcsmurf> for this part of the code
# [00:40] <philor> khuey: Bug 932880, Bug 932898 and fixes for whatever horrors it divulges
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# [00:41] <spenrose> mcsmurf at any rate thanks for wading into my confusion :-). My identity colleagues have a couple of other feelers out, so I'll wait to see what they come up with. Cheers!
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# [00:42] <@khuey> ok
# [00:42] <@khuey> not sure how much 932898 will help us
# [00:42] <@khuey> I think ttaubert is right that this is a different kind of leak
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# [00:43] <bdahl> anyone else getting a LNK1210: exceeded internal ILK size limit on win xp?
# [00:44] <mcsmurf> bdahl: yes, I saw the bug for that
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# [00:44] <mcsmurf> the problem is I'm not sure if there will a quick fix
# [00:44] <bdahl> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=931371
# [00:44] <mcsmurf> there's some OS flag you can set to work around this
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# [00:44] <mcsmurf> but iirc this OS flag can cause performance problems
# [00:45] <mcsmurf> best idea is probably to get away from WinXP 32 bit
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# [00:48] <bdahl> i did long ago, but i still need it for testing other things
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# [00:48] <mjh563> patches that landed in aurora last week will now be in beta and the b2g26 tree, right?
# [00:48] <@njn> glandium: |make build binaries| is great, except I keep forgetting to use it
# [00:49] <mcsmurf> bdahl: the problem I see with that bug is that it's unlikely it will be fixed soon or at all
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# [00:49] <glandium> njn: some day we'll get to the point where make will do that by default. we're not quite there yet
# [00:49] <mcsmurf> (that's my personal opinion ;)
# [00:49] <mcsmurf> bdahl: but try the /3GB switch mentioned
# [00:50] <mcsmurf> it should get you in a state where linking works again
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# [00:57] <@njn> glandium: I'm well aware of that :)
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# [00:58] <rnewman> mcsmurf: I can review anything in services, most anything in toolkit (or 302 appropriately)
# [00:58] <rnewman> and anything in mobile
# [00:58] <rnewman> some parts of browser
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# [01:00] <cpeterson> johns: how soon do you expect to land your nsIPluginTag patches for navigator.mimeTypes?
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# [01:03] <glandium> cpeterson: when the tree is open ;)
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# [01:04] <johns> cpeterson: I just put some WIP patches in 558184, part 1 and part 3 would be of interest
# [01:05] <johns> cpeterson: I was planning to land these later this week (reviews permitting), but I am willing to rebase them on your stuff if you want to land first
# [01:05] <johns> cpeterson: Although my part 1 patch is likely going to be a partial backout of your stuff :-/ It's not the prettiest
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# [01:08] <johns> cpeterson: https://bug558184.bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=824993 is independent of the other patches -- if its helpful for your patches I can try and land it first
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# [01:15] <mccr8> disabling test_Range-surroundContents seems to make m2 green so I'm going to go ahead and do that.
# [01:15] <@khuey> mccr8++
# [01:16] <mccr8> you can see my analysis in bug 929359 for why this is mostly a test problem.
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# [01:16] <mccr8> the try run: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=9fcd2511a906
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# [01:18] <@smaug> mccr8: "these tests keep around all of their iframes until the test is over, to ease debugging" ?
# [01:18] <@smaug> to ease what?
# [01:18] <@smaug> what kind of debugging
# [01:18] <mccr8> I don't know...
# [01:18] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/33c9ee1b4564 - Andrew McCreight - Bug 875585 - re-disable test_Range-surroundContents for pushing us off the OOM cliff by holding alive many iframes on this CLOSED TREE. rs=RyanVM
# [01:18] <mccr8> smaug: I guess you can examine the iframes when the test is over?
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# [01:19] <@smaug> eh
# [01:19] <@smaug> sounds silly :)
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# [01:19] <@smaug> but these range tests have shown great sillyness so far
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# [01:19] <@khuey> r-
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# [01:21] <glandium> smaug: certainly not debugging on the test slaves. i don't understand why that debugging thing is not an option for local test runs
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# [01:22] * @smaug hopes we'll fix these tests also in w3 testsuite
# [01:22] <@smaug> jgraham: ^
# [01:22] <mccr8> we haven't fixed them anywhere yet. ;)
# [01:22] <@khuey> nice
# [01:22] <@khuey> we're down to under 400 leaked windows in bc
# [01:23] <@khuey> just with the social fix
# [01:23] <mccr8> sweet
# [01:23] <mccr8> I should measure how many windows are live at once with that single test disabled.
# [01:23] <mccr8> to get a sense of how impending our doom is
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# [01:30] <philor> given that the first of our all-better pushes has two unfiled unknown failures, I'd bet on quite impending still
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# [01:32] <cpeterson> johns: you can land as soon as you are ready; I don't want to delay your work. (My patches have evolved over 13 months. :)
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# [01:54] <baku> any idea about when m-i tree will be open again?
# [01:55] <glandium> baku: when it's ready to
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# [01:57] <@roc> I'm working on fixing cloneContents
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# [02:00] <reuben> my clobber builds dropped from ~25 to ~18 minutes recently. was anything that big fixed?
# [02:00] <@gavin> windows?
# [02:00] <reuben> os x
# [02:00] <@roc> what do you mean by "recently"
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# [02:00] <reuben> last week
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# [02:01] <WeirdAl> is there a mach command for building the SDK?
# [02:01] <WeirdAl> (XULRunner)
# [02:01] <reuben> maybe last 15 days, I had been ignoring pretty much all CLOBBER changes
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# [02:02] <@roc> mccr8: why does test_Range-surroundCounts create lots of iframes? It only creates two AFAICT
# [02:02] <jesup_mac> njn: ping
# [02:02] <wchen> I recently had the same experience starting around two weeks ago. My clobber builds (with mostly ccache hits) builds in around 6 minutes. It used to be way longer.
# [02:02] <@njn> jesup_mac: pong
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# [02:03] <mccr8> roc: well, I just disabled it because philor disabled it before. in fact, it doesn't seem to reduce the number of windows we have live.
# [02:03] <mccr8> so I have no idea why it seems to fix the shutdown leak...
# [02:04] <mccr8> roc: we still seem to spike at 1000 live dom windows
# [02:04] <jesup_mac> njn: So, there are no allocator redirectors in webrtc.org upstream. I'm not going to be trivially able to add one of the sort in ICE/freetype. So what are the options?
# [02:04] <@njn> philor: can I land bug 815467? It strictly reduces the amount of memory used by pldhash in debug builds. Doesn't solve our problems, but fiddles around the edges of it.
# [02:04] <@roc> AFAICT the problematic tests are test_Range-cloneContents.html , test_Range-deleteContents.html and test_Range-extractContents.html
# [02:04] <@njn> jesup_mac: there aren't any, really
# [02:04] <WeirdAl> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/3385533 - make sdk bustage on Windows, deep in the build system
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# [02:05] <rnewman> who's sherriffing?
# [02:05] <@njn> roc: mccr8 said in #memshrink that disabling test_Range-surroundContents.html didn't help, which matchs what you said
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# [02:05] <mccr8> it helped in that it seems to have fixed the shutdown leak, but it didn't reduce the number of windows. ;)
# [02:05] <@khuey> just disable them all?
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# [02:06] <@roc> fixing them doesn't look that hard
# [02:06] <@roc> filed bug 933072
# [02:06] <mccr8> in https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=9fcd2511a906 it seems to have fixed the OOM and all oranges in m2. ;)
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# [02:09] <jesup_mac> njn was afraid of that. I can file an upstream bug, but I doubt they'll get to it soon. We can put it on our radar to add and contribute (after I ping them and find out what their feelings are on how it should be set up).
# [02:09] <@njn> jesup_mac: thanks.
# [02:09] <jesup_mac> s/soon/ever/ ;-)
# [02:09] <@njn> jesup_mac: it's not the only 3rd party code we have with this problem :(
# [02:09] <rnewman> so... we can land with a=android-only right now, right?
# [02:09] <rnewman> y'know, the place with no browser-chrome?
# [02:09] <jesup_mac> njn: yeah, but it can allocate a fair bit of ram
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# [02:10] <@njn> jesup_mac: does it use new/delete exclusively? if so, allowing custom allocators wouldn't be that hard
# [02:10] <jesup_mac> njn/roc: are mediastreams/AudioSegments/etc accounted for in the reporters? (I hadn't noticed any..)
# [02:10] <@njn> jesup_mac: I don't think so
# [02:10] <jesup_mac> njn: mixed I'm pretty sure
# [02:11] <@njn> ugh
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# [02:13] <Waldo> Cwiiis: data:text/html,<input type=text value=foo style="border-radius: 10px; border: 1px solid black;">
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# [02:14] <Waldo> oops, wrong Cw* :-)
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# [02:16] <glandium> reuben, wchen: the changes that should have made the most difference landed a month ago
# [02:17] <markh> try pushes are no longer sending me emails? Anyone else noticed that? If so, what component should a bug be filed under?
# [02:18] <glandium> markh: i got mails for try pushes yesterday
# [02:19] <mccr8> I got an email for a try push I made 3 hours ago
# [02:19] <@njn> markh: which emails? I got the default single "you've done a try push" email this morning
# [02:19] <markh> hmmm
# [02:19] <@roc> is there a way to run a function in the context of the <iframe> it belongs to?
# [02:19] <markh> yeah, that's the one.
# [02:19] <jesup_mac> njn: quick cfind on media/webrtc/trunk says ~100 mallocs, 1700+ news
# [02:19] <@njn> jesup_mac: realloc?
# [02:20] <jesup_mac> 9 realloc, 450 free's
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# [02:23] <@roc> I guess just calling the function works
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# [02:28] <jesup_mac> njn: let me feel them out, and also on how they'd want it to work. I'll be at IETF with some of them next week
# [02:28] <jesup_mac> thanks
# [02:28] <WeirdAl> damn, I can't figure this one out :(
# [02:29] <WeirdAl> (the pastebin I posted at 18:08 PDT)
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# [02:46] <WeirdAl> TestStartupCacheTelemetry.manifest is the entry I'm dying on
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# [02:54] <WeirdAl> oh.
# [02:54] <@njn> jesup_mac: thanks!
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# [02:54] <WeirdAl> --enable-tests means now I can't package the SDK :(
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# [02:55] <WeirdAl> that bites
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# [02:58] <seth> hmm, bit confused. if i have an nsIContent, how do I get an Element out of it?
# [02:58] <seth> or a subclass of Element
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# [02:59] <seth> i know it is in fact an Element, but i don't know what sort of magic XPCOM casting incantation is appropriate here
# [02:59] <@khuey> seth: QI?
# [02:59] <seth> khuey: does that work for element?
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# [03:00] <@khuey> mozilla::dom::Element is an interface
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# [03:01] <@khuey> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/content/base/public/Element.h?force=1#114
# [03:01] <WeirdAl> seth: nsCOMPtr<nsIElement> = do_QueryInterface(content, &rv); I think
# [03:01] <WeirdAl> err, no
# [03:01] <seth> khuey: ah, just helpfully not named according to the pattern that most interfaces obey
# [03:02] <WeirdAl> nsCOMPtr<nsIElement> elem = do_QueryInterface(content, &rv); is probably more accurate
# [03:02] <@khuey> seth: it's closer to the desired end state than nsINode/Content
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# [03:02] <WeirdAl> and even then I might be wrong
# [03:02] <@khuey> WeirdAl: nsCOMPtr<dom::Element>
# [03:02] <seth> WeirdAl: just this seems to compile: nsCOMPtr<Element> htmlElement = do_QueryInterface(mImageContent);
# [03:02] <WeirdAl> oh, they introduced namespaces. :|
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# [03:02] <@khuey> yeah thre's usually no need to the nsresult outparam
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# [03:03] <WeirdAl> obviously I'm rusty :)
# [03:03] <WeirdAl> haven't hacked Core DOM code in a while
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# [03:04] <seth> khuey: by the desired end state you mean the desired naming convention?
# [03:04] <@khuey> yeah
# [03:04] <@khuey> I think we want to end up with mozilla::dom::{Node/Element/Document/etc}
# [03:04] <seth> i think it's safe to say we could drop "ns" off of everything and be happy
# [03:04] <@khuey> instead of nsINode/nsIElement/nsIDocument
# [03:05] <seth> you don't think indicating which are interfaces adds much value?
# [03:05] <seth> INode etc. isn't too bad
# [03:05] <@khuey> why do you care if they are interfaces?
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# [03:06] <@khuey> that's the useful bit, not being interfaces
# [03:06] <@khuey> you can't sub in another impl of nsINode ;-)
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# [03:09] <@roc> who's going to review my test-Range patch?
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# [03:10] <@khuey> heh
# [03:10] <@khuey> after I get in to the office
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# [03:10] <@roc> WHAT?
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# [03:11] <glandium> roc: what time do you think it is for khuey?
# [03:12] <glandium> damn, haven't all pgo builders been clobbered by now?
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# [03:13] <glandium> philor: ^
# [03:13] <@roc> glandium: 10:17am?
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# [03:13] <glandium> roc: so what's shocking?
# [03:14] <gwagner> what is the right bugzilla component for webidl codegen bugs?
# [03:14] <@roc> that khuey isn't in the office by 8am every day
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# [03:14] <glandium> heh
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# [03:14] <@roc> anyway
# [03:14] <@roc> I expect the patch in bug 933072 will fix our M-2 OOM issues
# [03:15] <philor> glandium: yeah, I was just trying to think of a way to star it while blaming the clobberer
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# [03:16] <philor> but if you look at https://secure.pub.build.mozilla.org/clobberer/?branch=mozilla-inbound before I clobber, you'll see some listing an older date along with the last clobber
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# [03:17] <philor> which I think is the sign of some sort of clobberer bustage for slaves that haven't done that job for a while
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# [03:20] <glandium> philor: in the build log:
# [03:20] <glandium> m-in-l64-pgo-00000000000000000:Our last clobber date: 2013-10-30 12:00:31
# [03:20] <glandium> m-in-l64-pgo-00000000000000000:Server clobber date: 2013-10-15 19:47:52
# [03:20] <glandium> so yeah, there's a clobberer proble
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# [03:20] <glandium> +m
# [03:21] <philor> and 10-15 is the date it shows where it shouldn't, in the UI
# [03:21] <philor> but view-source on the UI, and it's pretty opaque
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# [03:22] <philor> presumably the last clobbering didn't include whatever random six-digit number goes with bld-linux64-ec2-305 for whatever reason
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# [03:26] <philor> hmm, "our last clobber date" today at noon? it must be lying about that
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# [03:31] <@njn> philor: can I land bug 815467? It strictly reduces the amount of memory used by pldhash in debug builds. Doesn't solve our problems, but fiddles around the edges of it
# [03:31] <@njn> philor: (and I realize mccr8 has almost fixed it already)
# [03:31] <@njn> (and roc's patch should really fix it fix it)
# [03:31] * @njn just wants to beat the rush when the tree reopens
# [03:32] <philor> njn: if it isn't fixing the tree being closed, no, if it is fixing the tree being closed yes
# [03:33] <philor> glandium: but this is why I want a non-buildbot, in-tree, buildsystem take on whether a build is actually a clobber or not, I don't trust things outside the build, they lie
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# [03:34] <philor> njn: but since I just starred "the leak" on one of mccr8's win m2s, I don't think he fixed it
# [03:34] <philor> made it slightly better, yeah
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# [03:36] * philor hears himself saying "but it didn't run configure so it certainly isn't actually a clobber" from the last time we had the same conversation, though
# [03:36] <glandium> philor: more than slightly. 1 orange on 9 attempts, that's not bad
# [03:37] <rnewman> fsvo bad
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# [03:40] <philor> apparently good enough for some people who've been itching and burning from the need to merge crud
# [03:40] <@khuey> why are we merging stuff with the tree still closed?
# [03:40] <philor> because he burns with the desire to merge
# [03:41] <philor> just like all the people who burn with the desire to push, no matter what, I won't affect it, I want to push
# [03:41] <philor> the difference is, he can get away with closed tree pushes, and with clobbering away the evidence of the clobberers brokeness
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# [03:42] <@khuey> roc: fwiw I didn't look at that very closely ;-)
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# [03:42] <@khuey> but lets just land it
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# [03:43] <philor> I don't think he can actually get to sleep without having done a merge-and-go-home
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# [03:45] <@khuey> atsai: can you change your client to not do that please?
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# [03:46] <atsai> 0.0
# [03:46] <atsai> khuey: sorry, I didn't get it
# [03:47] <atsai> do you mean the away message?
# [03:47] <@khuey> yes
# [03:47] <atsai> oops my badlet me turn off that function
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# [03:58] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/b71c156e7307 - Robert O'Callahan - Bug 933072. Make all Range tests only create 1 or 2 iframes instead of one or two per subtest. r=khuey (CLOSED TREE)
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# [04:03] <@roc> khuey: I guess we're just waiting for the try run in bug 932880 to go green and then we should land that too?
# [04:03] <reuben> how does the new unified SOURCES tell C++ and Obj-C apart
# [04:03] <reuben> ?
# [04:03] <reuben> just the file extension?
# [04:03] <glandium> reuben: yes
# [04:04] <@khuey> roc: yes
# [04:04] <@khuey> roc: and I think that will be sufficient to open the tree
# [04:04] <@khuey> roc: I don't think we can block on hte testing thing since it's not a regression ...
# [04:04] <froydnj> reuben: .cpp versus .m(m), I think
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# [04:04] <glandium> froydnj: or .cc for c++
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# [04:06] <reuben> grr, I renamed a file from .cpp to .mm and now it's complaining about no rule to make target file.cpp
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# [04:06] <glandium> reuben: mach build-backend
# [04:07] <reuben> glandium: is that not equivalent to running $objdir/config.status ?
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# [04:07] <glandium> reuben: it is, without having to worry about where to run it from
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# [04:08] <reuben> It looks like you are trying to run an unknown mach command: build-backend
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# [04:08] <glandium> reuben: your tree is old
# [04:08] <reuben> not really
# [04:08] <reuben> qparent is date: Wed Oct 30 21:39:05 2013 -0200
# [04:08] <glandium> reuben: mc?
# [04:09] <reuben> glandium: b2g-inbound
# [04:09] <glandium> maybe it's not merged yet
# [04:09] <reuben> hm
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# [04:09] <glandium> yeah, bug 877308 hasn't made it to mc yet
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# [04:10] <allstarschh_nb> lgarner: https://github.com/mozilla/mozilla-central/commit/0fda0c1233891d2bb00d18811ebb6e695442cf30
# [04:11] <reuben> ah, I see
# [04:11] <reuben> well I ran config.status, ./mach build, and it's giving me the same error
# [04:11] <glandium> reuben: did you modify moz.build?
# [04:11] <reuben> yes
# [04:12] <glandium> reuben: what does .deps/foo.o.pp contain ?
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# [04:12] <reuben> glandium: nvm, I nuked objdir/ipc/glue and ran config.status again and it worked
# [04:12] <reuben> glandium: thanks!
# [04:13] <glandium> reuben: yeah well, i'd rather find what was going wrong
# [04:13] <jesup> Hmmmm. So when did "and" become an operator in C++ preprocessor? js/src/jit/AsmJS.cpp:#if defined(JS_CPU_ARM) and !defined(JS_CPU_ARM_HARDFP) (Not saying it isn't... but I couldn't find any c++ reference page that said it was)
# [04:13] <reuben> glandium: I'll get this code working, then I'll rename it back to cpp and see if I can reproduce
# [04:13] <glandium> reuben: ok
# [04:14] <jesup> glandium: ^ do you know? Or is it simply wrong? Very hard to google for "and".... ;-)
# [04:14] <glandium> jesup: i don't know
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# [04:15] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/ba5c76b30f29 - Ryan VanderMeulen - Backed out changeset 33c9ee1b4564 (bug 875585) cuz thats how we roll when it's a CLOSED TREE.
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# [04:16] <jesup> I found two "and"s, and 1 "or" with a non-conclusive grep of the tree.
# [04:16] <@roc> hmm
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# [04:17] <glandium> jesup: i'm easy to stump
# [04:17] <jesup> Seems... unlikely
# [04:17] * jesup meant support for "and" and "or"
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# [04:18] <jesup> on the other hand, the build didn't error out, but syntax errors in #if's aren't exactly the most likely to bomb out
# [04:19] <glandium> jesup: test it locally?
# [04:19] <jesup> yeah, that's next
# [04:20] <Mook> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C_alternative_tokens ?
# [04:20] <lgarner> allstarschh_nb: thanks.
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# [04:21] <Mook> as far as I can tell from the msvc documentation, preprocessor expressions are just... constant expressions. it doesn't say anything about what operators are available.
# [04:23] <jesup> glandium: It works. Wow. How python-esque
# [04:23] <jesup> Though I wonder when it wandered into the spec (assuming it is there)
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# [04:25] <glandium> jesup: well, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operators_in_C_and_C%2B%2B#C.2B.2B_operator_synonyms
# [04:26] <jesup> aha. So it's really just the normal operators in a form I've never seen anyone use (and I'm guessing these were unintentional - too much python)
# [04:27] <jesup> Sort of the inverse of trigraphs ;-)
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# [04:30] <Mook> seems to be the same as trigraphs - people have keyboards that make the normal characters hard to use :)
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# [04:33] <variable> jesup: see section 2.6 Alternative tokens
# [04:33] <variable> and, bitor, or, xor, compl, bitand
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# [04:34] <variable> and_eq, or_eq, xor_eq, not, not_eq
# [04:34] <jesup> yup
# [04:34] <variable> along with digraphs
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# [04:34] <jesup> yeah, but does anyone use them?
# [04:34] <variable> apperently
# [04:34] <jesup> Given how well used trigraphs are :-)
# [04:34] <variable> trigraphs are very well used in the UCCC
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# [04:50] <glandium> variable: do you mean ioccc?
# [04:50] <variable> glandium: no
# [04:51] <variable> glandium: underhanded c coding contest
# [04:51] <variable> I guess they are also used in the IOCCC but its a well known trick
# [04:51] <variable> in that group
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# [04:53] <philor> sweet, https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Mozilla-Inbound&rev=e57be1a13a00&onlyunstarred=1, https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=1ef13f4cdfa6&onlyunstarred=1
# [04:53] <philor> be nice if at least one of the things we do to get better doesn't involve more than just one unknown new failure
# [04:53] <glandium> variable: ah i guess you can use ??/ at the end of a // comment line to fool people
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# [04:53] <variable> yes, that was the common one
# [04:54] <variable> glandium: another common one was using c++ "alternate tokens"
# [04:54] <glandium> variable: i'm not sure any other trigraph would look innocent
# [04:54] <variable> 'and' instead of &&
# [04:54] <variable> "how did that work? wouldn't it just have failed to compile"
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# [05:01] <@khuey> roc: so idk what to make of these new failures on the try push ...
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# [05:03] <@roc> me neither!
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# [05:04] <@khuey> I'm inclined to just land it anyways
# [05:07] <@roc> we still reached 400 DOMWindows
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# [05:07] <@roc> lots of mozilla.xhtml and scratchpad.xul
# [05:08] <@khuey> oh
# [05:08] <@khuey> well it must not have the social fix
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# [05:08] <mrbkap> social fix?
# [05:08] <@khuey> assuming you're looking at the try push
# [05:08] <@khuey> and not m-i tip
# [05:09] <@roc> I am
# [05:10] <@roc> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=29902610&tree=Try
# [05:10] <@roc> ok, so mozilla.xhtml is the social bug
# [05:10] <@roc> but scratchpad.xul is presumably more devtools stuff
# [05:11] <@khuey> yeah
# [05:11] <@khuey> we don't have to fix everything right now though
# [05:11] <@khuey> just enough to stop blowing up the tree
# [05:12] <philor> no, we have to fix everything now, because nobody will look at it again without having had a daylong tree closure
# [05:12] <@khuey> lol
# [05:13] <philor> also, fwiw, I'm not the least bit surprised by seeing those two failures on the try push; my lack of surprise is the reason we're in the state we're in
# [05:14] <Callek> we need a longer than a day tree closure
# [05:14] <Callek> I think I hold the record atm for longest tree closure due to pushing something to m-c
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# [05:14] <Callek> (the netwerk rename/file move or something like that)
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# [05:17] <@khuey> that was great
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# [05:19] <philor> PGO apocalypse lasted longer, didn't it?
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# [05:20] <@khuey> I think we were open for things that didn't affect windows during that
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# [05:26] <philor> 582 domwindows on linux32 on try, 336 at shutdown but 454 moments before
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# [05:29] <@njn> the "land fennec" closure was longer, IIRC
# [05:29] <@njn> 9 days?
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# [05:39] <Callek> njn: oooo that may be true :-)
# [05:40] <@njn> Callek: that wasn't a "shit, stuff just broke, how do we fix" closure, though
# [05:40] <aja> blassey: congrats
# [05:40] <Callek> and the PGO closure was a "something broke we don't know what" -- while my thing was "callek broke it, how the hell do we fix it"
# [05:40] <blassey> thanks
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# [05:40] <Callek> of course I don't expect anyone to ever have the target on their back for that long of a closure ever again
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# [05:59] <@njn> philor: Win7 M2 is ready to be retriggered many times
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# [06:02] <glandium> philor: 42
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# [06:04] <@njn> philor: I think that should suffice
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# [06:07] <@njn> glandium: I have this chrome.ini file: https://pastebin.mozilla.org/3386855
# [06:08] <@njn> I want to add a new .xul test which uses a secondary remote.xul file, but I don't want to run remote.xul itself as a test
# [06:08] <@njn> glandium: should I put remote.xul in the |support-files| list?
# [06:08] <glandium> njn: i'd say so, but i'm not very familiar with the test manifests
# [06:09] <@njn> glandium: ok, thanks
# [06:09] <@njn> glandium: if I make a change to a Makefile.in that causes it to be empty, can I just delete it?
# [06:09] <glandium> njn: YES!
# [06:10] <@njn> OK!
# [06:10] <glandium> more Makefile.in removal ftw
# [06:10] <@njn> glandium: will I have to modify any parent Makefile, or something?
# [06:10] <glandium> njn: no
# [06:10] <glandium> just remove the Makefile.in
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# [06:11] <@njn> glandium: easy
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# [06:12] <glandium> easy peasy
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# [06:16] <@njn> The first Win7-M2 is green, woo
# [06:17] <@njn> 302 DOMWINDOWs
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# [06:22] <philor> green, or "green"?
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# [06:22] <philor> don't much care for "ERROR - Return code: 1" in a putatively sucessful run
# [06:22] <@khuey> the tree is always "green"
# [06:22] <@khuey> at best
# [06:23] <@njn> philor: I've seen that in every successful Win7-M2 run I've looked at over the past few days
# [06:24] <@njn> all the M2s are green
# [06:24] <fabrice> great, startup crash on my nightly
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# [06:39] <@njn> philor: that Return code: 1 seems to happen on all mochitests on all windows configs
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# [06:39] <@njn> philor: sometimes more than once
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# [06:41] <philor> njn: well, if you're going to do things wrong, no sense in only doing them once
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# [06:47] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/494d0cca0cb0 - Brian Grinstead - Bug 932880: Developer tools leak many windows until shutdown in browser-chrome tests. r=anton CLOSED TREE
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# [06:59] <nigelb> Tree still closed?
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# [06:59] <anton> yes
# [07:00] <nigelb> ah, joy.
# [07:00] * @khuey wants to fix that in the next hour or two
# [07:01] <nigelb> Oh \o/
# [07:01] <@bz> ooh
# [07:01] <@bz> ooh
# [07:01] <@bz> then we can all land and reclose it again?
# [07:01] <nigelb> Heh
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# [07:02] <nigelb> I notice that the retry hammer has been used hard.
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# [07:02] <@khuey> bz: yeah that's usually how it goes
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# [07:06] <heycam> I remember when we used to have metered landings to prevent 10-car pileups
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# [07:20] <glandium> haha the bc orange is back on ryanvm's backout
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# [07:22] <glob> also, https://globau.wordpress.com/2013/10/31/happy-bmo-push-day-71/
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# [07:26] <heycam> oh hello big red number
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# [07:30] <@dbaron> reminds me of the google big red number
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# [07:33] <@khuey> hmm
# [07:33] <@khuey> 16
# [07:33] <@khuey> not too bad
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# [07:37] <glob> the system works!
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# [07:38] <@bz> big red number?
# [07:38] <@khuey> refresh bugzilla
# [07:38] <@khuey> look in the upper left
# [07:38] <@bz> Ah
# [07:38] <glob> wtc@google.com just needs one more request to hit triple digits
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# [07:38] <@bz> What is that number supposed to be?
# [07:38] <@bz> number of patches waiting for review?
# [07:38] <@khuey> glob: heh, does he have the record?
# [07:38] <glob> bz, it has a tooltip
# [07:38] <@khuey> bz: how much work you're not doing
# [07:39] <@bz> Ah
# [07:39] * @bz shrugs
# [07:39] <glob> khuey, yes, by far
# [07:39] <@khuey> yeah, not surprising
# [07:39] <@bz> Half of mine are needinfo from me to me
# [07:39] <@bz> glob: people are requesting stuff from wtc? :(
# [07:39] <glob> khuey, oldest one is more than 10 years old
# [07:39] * @bz wonders why anyone would be so insane
# [07:39] <@bz> Or misinformed, perhaps...
# [07:40] <glob> bz, yes, as recently as 2013-10-29
# [07:40] <@bz> glob: This is nice. Maybe now people will stop ignoring my feedback requests. :(
# [07:41] * @bz doesn't hold out much hope
# [07:41] <glob> bz, they'll also get a nightly email about them.. https://globau.wordpress.com/2013/10/30/nightly-request-reminders/
# [07:41] <@bz> glob: mmm
# [07:41] <@bz> glob: _That_ should help
# [07:41] <glob> bz, which you can opt out of
# [07:41] <@bz> glob: heh
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# [07:41] <glob> yeah; it's mostly for managers, so they get a report of outstanding requests against their reports
# [07:41] <@khuey> bz: wtc does reviews occasionally
# [07:42] <@bz> khuey: So does hyatt.... occasionally
# [07:42] <@khuey> bz: wtc is much more active than hyatt
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# [07:42] <@khuey> bz: although I don't think he touches anything but NSPR these days
# [07:42] <@bz> It's a low bar, I admit. ;)
# [07:42] <@bz> Sure.
# [07:42] <@khuey> indeed
# [07:42] <@bz> I don't expect him to be super-active
# [07:42] <@bz> But he's one of the NSPR owners
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# [07:42] <@bz> if he's not doing his job.....
# [07:43] <@bz> Then we should fix the problem.
# [07:43] <glob> +1
# [07:43] <@bz> As in, if he's not on top of NSPR review requests....
# [07:43] * @bz is tired of absentee owners
# [07:43] <glandium> khuey: nss
# [07:43] <@bz> wtc technically has no NSS responsibilities
# [07:44] <glandium> wtc was also the main drag for not having nspr/nss in mercurial, aiui
# [07:44] <glandium> bz: he's more active on nss than on nspr
# [07:44] * glob will remove wtc from all review suggestions
# [07:45] <@bz> glob: and replace with?
# [07:45] <@khuey> /dev/null
# [07:45] <@khuey> to give you a more accurate idea
# [07:45] <@khuey> of how the code is owned ;-)
# [07:45] <@bz> Oh, from suggestions
# [07:45] <@bz> not from existing requests
# [07:45] <glandium> haha wtc is a build config peer
# [07:45] <@bz> yes, that sounds great
# [07:45] <@khuey> yeah we definitely shouldn't be suggesting him for Core::Build Config
# [07:45] <glandium> bz: he's co-owner of nss
# [07:45] <@khuey> that would be terrible
# [07:45] <@bz> glandium: _that_'s a low bar too; khuey was claiming I should be one a few months ago or something... ;)
# [07:45] <@khuey> thankfully I think we would notice that
# [07:46] <@bz> glandium: hrm. So he is; I totally missed that.
# [07:46] <glandium> khuey: arguably, he shouldn't be a build config peer at all
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# [07:46] <@bz> I bet gps would remove him if you ask him nicely.
# [07:46] <@bz> anyway
# [07:46] <@bz> I should really really sleep
# [07:47] <glandium> erf, nelson is still listed as nspr owner
# [07:47] * @bz is tired of reading this "rewrite the webidl build stuff" thing. :(
# [07:47] <@bz> Sure
# [07:47] <glob> no longer suggested for NSPR, NSS, and JSS
# [07:47] <@bz> nspr is owned by absentees
# [07:47] <@bz> which is how it likes it, no?
# [07:47] <@khuey> glob: yeah ...
# [07:47] <@bz> With its "never change anything" approach to life
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# [07:47] <gaston> but nspr is being replaced by mfbt anyway, no ? :)
# [07:48] <sfink> what's a better way to say |memcpy(&port, &voidptr, sizeof(void*))| where port is an nsRefPtr<T>, whatever that is?
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# [07:48] <@khuey> voidptr = port.get()?
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# [07:48] <sfink> other way around
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# [07:49] <sfink> does port = reinterpret_cast<T*>(voidptr) work?
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# [07:49] <sfink> ooh, yeah, it has a T* constructor
# [07:49] <sfink> thanks, dxr
# [07:50] <@bz_sleep> You should be able to just static_cast to T*
# [07:50] <@bz_sleep> Not reinterpret_cast
# [07:50] <sfink> someday I'll remember the distinction
# [07:50] <sfink> I go back and reread it once in a while, and understand it completely for about 72 seconds
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# [07:51] <@bz_sleep> static_cast will only let you shoot your left foot
# [07:51] <@bz_sleep> reinterpret_cast will let you shoot both feet and your left ear
# [07:51] <@bz_sleep> Really, thoguh static_cast is for casts that might generally make sense
# [07:51] <sfink> do you have to get them all in a line, first?
# [07:51] <@bz_sleep> reinterpret_cast is for when you're just being evil.
# [07:52] <@bz_sleep> sfink: with reinterpret_cast? You don't.
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# [07:54] <@bz_sleep> sfink: of course sometimes you get shot even without casts
# [07:54] <@bz_sleep> sfink: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=772330#c22 is a fun read
# [07:54] <@bz_sleep> sfink: As well as comment 21 for background if you care....
# [07:55] <sfink> yeah, I read that one recently :)
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# [08:24] <juliuscanute> What and all components of firefox needs to be ported to enable firefox on AIX? How many months it will take to get the task done?
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# [08:25] <@khuey> at the current rate of porting it will take an infinite amount of time
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# [08:27] <Ms2ger> Bonjour
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# [08:28] <juliuscanute> I understand development for AIX has been stopped long time ago. Can you give an idea what are the crucial components that require significant porting effort?
# [08:28] <@khuey> probably the graphics and widget layer
# [08:29] <@khuey> also you'll have to figure out what to do with the JS engine unless AIX runs on x86/ARM these days
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# [08:30] <glandium> khuey: the js engine runs on all debian architectures, so it probably would run on aix ; it just doesn't have a JIT
# [08:30] * @njn doesn't see any big red numbers
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# [08:31] <gaston> glandium: it really _runs_ on all debian archs ?
# [08:31] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> good morning
# [08:31] <gaston> like running the jsapi-tests and everything ?
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# [08:31] <glandium> gaston: yes, not without failures, but to some degree
# [08:31] <gaston> i'm only getting compiler blowouts on alpha :(
# [08:31] <@bz_sleep> glandium: does AIX guarantee it won't use more than 47 bits for pointers?
# [08:32] <glob> njn has left .. he doesn't see any numbers because he has an empty request queue :)
# [08:32] <glandium> glob: heh
# [08:32] <gaston> bz_sleep: that part is "fixed" iirc, because sparc64 uses more and it runs there
# [08:32] <@bz_sleep> gaston: That's news to me
# [08:32] <gaston> (but all this is black magic to me so dont take my word on this)
# [08:33] <@bz_sleep> gaston: but good to hear!
# [08:33] <juliuscanute> AIX actually uses more than 47bit.
# [08:33] <glandium> gaston: 128 bits jsvalue ?
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# [08:33] <gaston> i dont think so
# [08:33] <gaston> we're still supposed to be at 64 for every arch no ?
# [08:33] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> ah i was wondering if bugzilla has now red alert 3 :)
# [08:33] <glandium> gaston: then i don't know how you can get around that
# [08:33] <@bz_sleep> Yeah, me neither
# [08:33] <gaston> glandium: black magic :)
# [08:33] * @bz_sleep sees nothing sparc-specific in Value.h
# [08:33] <glandium> gaston: no amount of black magic can get around that
# [08:34] <@bz_sleep> (apart from the POD thing)
# [08:34] <gaston> at some point there was an adaptive offset thing there
# [08:34] <gaston> let me find the bug
# [08:34] <sfink> there's some __SUNPRO_CC and __xlC__ craziness
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# [08:34] <glandium> there is some amount of black magic for ia64, which consists in... making sure we never mmap above a certain address
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# [08:35] <@bz_sleep> glandium: right
# [08:36] <glandium> (which, arguably, is more memory than one would ever need)
# [08:37] <@bz_sleep> So yeah, for ia64 jemalloc's pages_map got hacked
# [08:37] <gaston> martin@netbsd did most of the work in 871444/867911/87032/871101 but there was a bug about making the pagesize adaptive at runtime
# [08:37] <gaston> (or something)
# [08:37] <gaston> (for sparc64 i mean)
# [08:37] <glandium> bz_sleep: there's a similar hack in js, which has its own allocator, iirc
# [08:37] <gaston> ah
# [08:37] <sfink> there's stuff in bug 618485
# [08:37] <gaston> that was https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=840242#c15
# [08:37] <glandium> gaston: page size is a different issue
# [08:38] <gaston> then i have no idea :)
# [08:38] <@bz_sleep> sfink: sure, but it still relies on the 47-bit thing....
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# [08:38] <@bz_sleep> gaston: the hypothesis that best fits the data is that SpiderMonkey on sparc64 will randomly crash
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# [08:38] <gaston> right now yes because the helper thread broke it
# [08:38] <glandium> bz_sleep: or not until it allocates a *lot* of memory
# [08:39] <gaston> but at some point in the past, i was able to consistently run the jsapi-tests
# [08:39] <@bz_sleep> well, randomly
# [08:39] <@bz_sleep> depending on where the memory it allocates is placed in the address space
# [08:39] <gaston> we have randomized address space
# [08:39] <gaston> so pretty sure it'd blow if it was the case :)
# [08:39] <@bz_sleep> It is most certainly the case
# [08:39] <glandium> gaston: for anonymous mappings?
# [08:39] <@bz_sleep> I mean... Value is still 64-bit
# [08:40] <@bz_sleep> and uses a bunch of bits for flags
# [08:40] <@bz_sleep> which leaves 47 for the address
# [08:41] <glandium> bz_sleep: we're not doing something smart with the lower bits for pointers, are we? (or maybe we can't, i don't know what those pointers point to)
# [08:42] <@bz_sleep> glandium: I don't think we are
# [08:42] <@bz_sleep> glandium: The pointers point to gcthings, so we do have 3 free lower bits
# [08:42] <@bz_sleep> glandium: I think
# [08:42] <@bz_sleep> glandium: maybe it's only 2 now
# [08:43] <glandium> bz_sleep: on 64 bits architectures, it's probably 3
# [08:44] <@bz_sleep> anyway
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# [09:33] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> khuey: yeah fingers crossed
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# [09:34] <@khuey> Tomcat|sheriffduty: fwiw I don't think we should block on the testing stuff
# [09:34] <@khuey> but that's not really my call
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# [09:37] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> yeah , now i see https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=932898#c14
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# [09:43] <@khuey> ugh
# [09:43] <@khuey> fuck me
# [09:43] <glob> no
# [09:43] <glob> (married)
# [09:43] <Ms2ger> Good excuse
# [09:43] <past> OOM!
# [09:44] <@khuey> Tomcat|sheriffduty: so no dice
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# [09:44] <@khuey> and we're down to only 300 windows floating around
# [09:44] <@khuey> so something else is going on
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# [09:44] <glob> Ms2ger, are you being a trickster with your nick?
# [09:44] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> khuey: :(
# [09:45] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> btw khuey i know its a bad timing but thanks for all the help debugging this leaks
# [09:45] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> :)
# [09:46] <@khuey> hah
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# [09:48] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> to bad https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getLeakAnalysis.php?id=29910759 350 leaked windows
# [09:49] <edmorley> Tomcat|sheriffduty: good morning :-)
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# [09:49] <@khuey> Tomcat|sheriffduty: well once we OOM in the cycle collector we basically don't collect any more garbage
# [09:49] <@khuey> so then we die quickly
# [09:49] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> ah ok
# [09:49] <@khuey> edmorley: we has a sad
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# [09:51] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> khuey: :( too bad was thinking we were close on reopen the tree (given we take bug 932898) not as blocker for the tree closure
# [09:51] <@khuey> yeah me too
# [09:52] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> ok now also the other test results are there too
# [09:52] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> same thing
# [09:52] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> even a few green's :)
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# [09:53] <@khuey> yeah
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# [09:53] <@khuey> I'm starting to think we should back out bug 927705
# [09:54] <@khuey> njn is probably out for the night
# [09:54] <glandium> khuey: that would trade some leaks with others
# [09:54] <@khuey> unfortunate
# [09:55] <@khuey> glandium: how so?
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# [09:55] <glandium> khuey: according to 927705 comment 0
# [09:55] <@khuey> glandium: well I'm wondering if those patches work as advertised
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# [09:56] <@khuey> glandium: I doubt it's a coincidence that the bug that blew up the tree started the same day that landed ...
# [09:56] <glandium> khuey: it's no coincidence because the oom assertions have been made fatal
# [09:56] <glandium> in 902922
# [09:57] <@khuey> glandium: well the leaks started that day
# [09:57] <@khuey> glandium: ignore the assertions
# [09:58] <@khuey> if we were hitting hte problem before there should have been leaks all along ...
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# [10:01] <@khuey> glandium: in fact the first instance of the bug was on njn's push ...
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# [10:02] <@khuey> Tomcat|sheriffduty: ^ if any of those show the problem on trunk back him out ;-)
# [10:02] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> khuey: yep will do
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# [10:21] <NeilAway> seth: if you're sure you have an Element, you can use http://mxr.mozilla.org/comm-central/source/mozilla/content/base/public/Element.h#1175
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# [10:27] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> khuey: seems mochitest 2 tests are ok so far
# [10:28] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> at least for the first results
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# [10:29] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> even there are dom windows leak https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getLeakAnalysis.php?id=29912055
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# [10:40] <@khuey> ttaubert: so is this a leak the detector never caught or did we actually remove coverage?
# [10:41] <ttaubert> khuey: we removed the leak detector a while ago and replaced it with the cycle collector leak detector only to find out yesterday that both cover different kinds of leaks
# [10:43] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> ok all mochitest-2 retriggers went green
# [10:43] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> and in about 40 minutes come the b-c test results
# [10:45] <@khuey> Tomcat|sheriffduty: mmm, ok
# [10:45] * @khuey is tempted to back him out even if they all come in green
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# [10:46] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> khuey: yeah i can back in out to see how m-i reacts to it, we can put it back anyway
# [10:46] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> edmorley: ^ do you agree
# [10:46] <glandium> Tomcat|sheriffduty: or you could do that on try
# [10:47] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> or that :)
# [10:47] <glandium> it's kind of awful to pollute our repository history with tentatives of maybe sorting this out or maybe not
# [10:48] <@roc> looks like my patch worked
# [10:49] <@roc> what do you think is the cause of the b-c orange in browser_bug666317.js?
# [10:49] <@khuey> we're ooming
# [10:50] <@khuey> well
# [10:50] <@khuey> actually
# [10:50] <@khuey> idk about that one ...
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# [10:51] <@khuey> but we are still ooming on some of the runs
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# [10:52] <@khuey> roc: although that appeared to be caused by oom last time
# [10:52] <@khuey> roc: see 761049 comment 485
# [10:53] <@khuey> software is too hard
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# [10:54] <@roc> In this run we seem to have just leaked a lot of DOMWindows permanently: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=29907979&tree=Mozilla-Inbound&full=1
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# [10:57] <@khuey> well we ran out of CC memory
# [10:57] <@khuey> and which point we just leak
# [10:57] <@khuey> and lose
# [10:57] <@khuey> so it's still the same thing
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# [11:05] <edmorley> Tomcat|sheriffduty: oops sorry read your message and thought I'd replied
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# [11:05] <edmorley> Tomcat|sheriffduty: which cset?
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# [11:18] <peterv> hmm, it does look like the orange runs have more windows alive at the point the test fails
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# [11:29] <peterv> so we're still leaking a bunch of devtools windows
# [11:29] <peterv> in the orange runs
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# [11:30] <Gijs> peterv: is that https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=932880#c21 ?
# [11:30] <@khuey> Tomcat|sheriffduty: did you push a backout of njn's stuff to try?
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# [11:31] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> will do it
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# [11:31] <peterv> Gijs: no, there are way more
# [11:31] <peterv> Gijs: a couple of 100
# [11:31] <@khuey> Tomcat|sheriffduty: I would back that out on try and retrigger the M2/Mbc stuff a ton of times
# [11:32] <@khuey> it's possible it's njn + something else
# [11:32] * @khuey really has no clue at this point
# [11:32] <peterv> so the devtools stuff leaks intermittently :-(
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# [11:32] <Gijs> peterv: and this is after the patch that got landed on inbound already?
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# [11:33] <peterv> Gijs: according to tbpl, yes
# [11:33] <peterv> hmmm
# [11:33] <peterv> so
# [11:33] <peterv> tbpl is mistaken
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# [11:35] <past> ttaubert's patch from bug 932898 reveals lots of previously unknown leaks in devtools
# [11:35] <ttaubert> past: you're welcome *cough*
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# [11:36] <past> ttaubert: how long have we been running without this leak detector?
# [11:36] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> oh my
# [11:36] <ttaubert> past: Aug 7th
# [11:36] <ttaubert> 2012
# [11:37] <glandium> \o/
# [11:37] <past> er, are you sure? More than a year?
# [11:38] <ttaubert> bug 728294
# [11:38] <ttaubert> that's when we removed the stuff that basically counts windows and docshells
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# [11:39] <past> ...
# [11:40] <peterv> Gijs: so, turns out tbpl gave me a log for the wrong revision before
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# [11:40] <Gijs> \o/
# [11:41] <peterv> Gijs: with the right revision there don't seem to be much more windows
# [11:41] <@khuey> haha
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# [11:41] <Gijs> so... remind me
# [11:42] <Gijs> can registerCleanUp in mochitest deal with asyncness?
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# [11:43] <Gijs> So the answer is no.
# [11:43] <Gijs> That is sadfaces
# [11:43] <Gijs> because toolbox destroys are async
# [11:44] <Gijs> OTOH, they are for the most part sync, but they have to notify listeners, which is done async
# [11:45] <Gijs> at least, that's how I understand http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/browser/devtools/framework/toolbox.js#850
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# [11:45] <Gijs> peterv: just to be 100% clear, you're saying there's the same number of leaks before and after the devtools patch?
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# [11:46] <Gijs> (give or take)
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# [11:48] <peterv> Gijs: no
# [11:48] <peterv> Gijs: there's less leaks after the patch
# [11:49] <peterv> Gijs: an orange run after the patch doesn't have significantly more windows at the point of failure than a green run after the patch
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# [11:54] <peterv> b-c does get to up to 900 windows alive at one point :-/
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# [11:56] <ttaubert> :(
# [11:56] <Gijs> :( indeed
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# [11:57] <Gijs> do we know where the majority of those are coming from?
# [11:57] <peterv> browser/components/sessionstore/test/browser_480148.js seems to create about 200
# [11:57] <peterv> that's where we hit our highest point
# [11:58] <peterv> of course, that means there's 600 alive from other tests at that point
# [11:58] <peterv> 600+
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# [12:06] <past> Tomcat|sheriffduty: could we merge m-i to f-t so that devtools folks can investigate leaks with only ttaubert's patch applied?
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# [12:08] <past> afk, brb
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# [12:12] <edmorley> past: you can just pull it in locally on the same clone and then strip after
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# [12:25] <past> personally I have a local m-i clone, but fair enough
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# [12:51] <jwatt> edmorley: can we land bug 932898?
# [12:51] <jwatt> edmorley: smaug just reviewed
# [12:52] <jwatt> edmorley: also I agree with the other comments in the bug
# [12:52] <jwatt> I don't think we should hold the tree closed
# [12:52] <edmorley> jwatt: looking
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# [12:53] <edmorley> jwatt: you mean the reviewed part?
# [12:54] <edmorley> jwatt: has someone confirmed there is nothing else being reported as leaking with the shutdown leak detector applied?
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# [12:54] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> jwatt: the push for Bug 932880 was still showing leaks so we work on a try server push with a backout of 927705
# [12:55] <jwatt> edmorley: I meant the reviewed part, yes, but actually maybe it relies on the other feedback? patch - smaug, do you know?
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# [12:56] <jwatt> Tomcat|sheriffduty, edmorley: what do we gain by holding the tree closed if the leak detection has been broken for 6 months already?
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# [12:58] <edmorley> jwatt: not much as long as it lands soon, as long as we have in fact fixed all the leaks causing us to OOM - which from ttaubert and co's comments seems to not be the case
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# [12:59] <jwatt> (pretty sure the patch smaug just reviewed can land)
# [12:59] <edmorley> jwatt: I'll land it
# [12:59] <edmorley> ty
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# [13:00] <jwatt> thanks
# [13:01] <jwatt> I don't really get why we're holding the tree closed, regardless of whether the leaks can all be fixed soon or not
# [13:02] <peterv> jwatt: I think as long as we don't fix them it's going to be hard to detect new problems
# [13:02] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> khuey|away: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=687a285acbe0
# [13:02] <peterv> jwatt: it''ll be easy to claim "existing issue" when maybe it's not
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# [13:03] <jwatt> peterv: we should definitely get to the stage where the leak detector is back on, and all issues fixed
# [13:03] <peterv> just piling on makes that harder from my experience
# [13:04] <jwatt> it's been piling on for 6 months, no?
# [13:04] <peterv> yes
# [13:04] <peterv> you want to pile on more?
# [13:04] <jwatt> so it seems better to work on a separate tree fixing issues, then when closer close the tree
# [13:05] <peterv> I don't see how that follows from what I just said
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# [13:05] <peterv> or are you claiming that piling on doesn't make the issues harder to fix
# [13:05] <peterv> ?
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# [13:05] <jwatt> it does make it harder
# [13:06] <jwatt> I'm just wondering how many days it's going to take to fix all the issues
# [13:07] <peterv> that's a perfect example of why it's bad to pile on (for 6 months)
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# [13:07] <RyanVM> jwatt: seems like reasonable progress is already being made on getting things cleaned up
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# [13:07] <RyanVM> we're also in week 1 of a cycle, so it's not horribly dire to have the tree closed for a couple days if necessary IMO
# [13:09] <jwatt> we could keep the tree closed for a week say, fixing all the issues, creating a very big backlog and all the loses that entails
# [13:09] <jwatt> or we could avoid such a big backlog by opening now until we've made progress on the existing leaks that exist _now_, then only close the tree for only a day or two to work out any leaks in the week it took to fix the pre-existing leaks
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# [13:09] <jwatt> but that's premised on guesses on how long this might take
# [13:09] <jwatt> and maybe I'm completely off there
# [13:10] <RyanVM> i think waiting a couple days and gauging progress, then deciding if we need to change course, is prudent
# [13:10] <jwatt> RyanVM: it's not clear to me that we know yet what leaks have been caused in the last 6 months
# [13:10] <jwatt> ok
# [13:11] <RyanVM> jwatt: Though we should CERTAINLY be asking people to make use of the almost certainly lower than usual Try wait times right now
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# [13:11] <jwatt> I guess I'm just expecting more than a couple of days work
# [13:11] <jwatt> hah, yes
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# [13:18] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/acd7840da834 - Tim Taubert - Bug 932898 - Fix leaks in DOM tests; r=smaug CLOSED TREE
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# [13:26] <peterv> smaug: hmm, seems like that frame in browser_xhr_sandbox.js should have been cleaned up somehow without the .remove() call, no?
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# [13:29] <@smaug> peterv: well, the test add an iframe, so it should also remove it
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# [13:30] <@smaug> peterv: that test is playing with the hidden window
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# [13:31] <peterv> ah, ok
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# [13:31] <peterv> smaug: I missed the hiddenWindow part :-(
# [13:32] <@smaug> hiddenWindow is so nice :/
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# [13:36] <jwalker> "./mach mochitest-chrome" keeps dying with and ImportError of _sqlite3.so.
# [13:36] <jwalker> full log: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/3389199
# [13:36] <jwalker> has anyone seen that before?
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# [13:41] <nemo> OMG WTF LOL
# [13:41] <nemo> http://www.trustico.ch/ssltools/match/cert-and-key-pem/check-if-certificate-and-key-match.php
# [13:41] <nemo> (this was on ycombinator frontpage)
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# [13:41] <nemo> I would say behaviour like that justifies getting your certs pulled
# [13:41] <nemo> since you're obviously not competent to distribute them :)
# [13:42] <nemo> I'm assuming they actually have certs and aren't an evil site
# [13:43] <peterv> browser/components/sessionstore/test/browser_480148.js creates 555 windows
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# [13:47] <RyanVM|brb> peterv: might explain why we hit so many intermittents on that test then
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# [13:47] <RyanVM> peterv: crashes, asserts, tons of fun
# [13:47] <peterv> it's by far the biggest in b-c
# [13:47] <peterv> next is a little over 200 windows
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# [13:49] <@smaug> that test looks still very valid
# [13:49] <@smaug> it is testing various cases
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# [13:49] <@smaug> where it needs to have several tabs
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# [13:49] <bgrins> ttaubert: ping
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# [13:50] <RyanVM> peterv: smaug: it's also known for randomly popping up the slow script dialog and causing asserts/crashes
# [13:50] <RyanVM> good times
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# [13:51] <@smaug> RyanVM: hmm, we should fix those crashes and asserts
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# [13:51] <ttaubert> bgrins: pong
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# [13:51] <peterv> smaug: I wonder if we could give it a little more breathing room by splitting up the various pieces
# [13:52] <@smaug> yeah
# [13:52] <bgrins> ttaubert regarding https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=932880#c21, should I be expecting to see 0 leaks at the end, or 2/3 as you mentioned about the BrowserNewTabPreloader?
# [13:52] <peterv> smaug: we do clean up while the test is running, but a lot of the cleanup happens until a couple of tests later
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# [13:52] <@smaug> which is expected
# [13:53] <@smaug> we don't want to run GC/CC all the time
# [13:53] <peterv> so we end up with a lot of windows alive all at once
# [13:53] <peterv> sure, I'm not saying the test is wrong
# [13:53] <@smaug> so function runNextTest() { could actually start the next test using a timer
# [13:53] <@smaug> and perhaps run GC/CC occasionally
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# [13:54] <peterv> yeah
# [13:54] <@smaug> since this is so window heavy test
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# [13:55] <peterv> smaug: it already does executeSoon
# [13:55] <RyanVM> smaug: i've tried a few times to get someone to look at bug 853001 without lukc
# [13:55] <peterv> smaug: so maybe just CC/GC
# [13:55] <RyanVM> firebot: bug 853001
# [13:55] <firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=853001 nor, --, ---, general, NEW, Intermittent browser_480148.js | application crashed [@ js::InvokeKernel(JSContext*, JS::CallArgs, j
# [13:55] <RyanVM> also
# [13:55] <RyanVM> firebot: bug 824046
# [13:55] <firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=824046 cri, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Intermittent browser_480148.js or Shutdown | Exited with code -6 during test run ("firefox-bin(418,0
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# [13:56] <@smaug> peterv: executeSoon is too soon
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# [13:56] <ttaubert> bgrins: maybe even a couple more than the ~6 false positives caused by the BrowserNewTabPreloader
# [13:57] <ttaubert> bgrins: depends on what's causing the leak, there's some stuff that is intentionally held alive until shutdown
# [13:57] <ttaubert> hard to tell apart
# [13:57] <ttaubert> sometimes
# [13:57] <bgrins> ttaubert ok, I'm down to this so far: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/3389299
# [13:58] <ttaubert> bgrins: so only the last four
# [13:58] <ttaubert> ... lines are leaks I think
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# [13:59] <bgrins> ttaubert the weird thing is when I run one test alone (even if it doesn't show up here) I see something like 8 domwindows and 2 docshells
# [13:59] <ttaubert> bgrins: yeah the leak detection isn't really perfect... iirc there have been some issues esp. when running tests in single mode
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# [14:00] <ttaubert> bgrins: also that sounds plausible if the destruction is all async in devtools
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# [14:01] <bgrins> ttaubert OK, so you think I should be looking at the last 4 lines in that pastebin (and not worrying about browser_inspector_bug_650804_search.js)? Or that it is just any combination of the 4 leaks in the list?
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# [14:02] <ttaubert> bgrins: yeah only the last 4. the bug_650* test is just the poor first thing to hit the BrowserNewTabPreloader
# [14:02] <bgrins> ttaubert ok, thanks for the info - going to keep looking into it
# [14:03] <ttaubert> bgrins: thanks!
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# [14:11] <ttaubert> bgrins: btw, there's not only the inspector leaks but a whole lot of devtools :/ https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=29919189&tree=Try&full=1#error0
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# [14:13] <@smaug> oh, I can't run browser-chrome tests anymore
# [14:13] <@smaug> ImportError: No module named mozcrash
# [14:13] <@smaug> er, hmm
# [14:13] <@smaug> ah, now
# [14:14] <bgrins> ttaubert hmm what is weird there is that there are only two things in the inspector/ folder
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# [14:15] <ttaubert> bgrins: maybe those tabs have been opened by tests running before and that's why the leak origin is different?
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# [14:22] <peterv> this seems to be another instance of a frame attached to the hidden window: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/browser/devtools/styleinspector/rule-view.js#62
# [14:22] <peterv> not sure where that one is removed
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# [14:28] <@smaug> we should add some check that innerwindow's scope looks the same when starting and shutting down browser
# [14:28] <@smaug> and that innerwindow.document looks the same too
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# [14:35] <bgrins> peterv removing the frame at the end of the domcontentloaded event seems to have gotten rid of one of the leaked docshells in styleinspector tests
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# [14:36] <bholley> edmorley: ping
# [14:37] <@bsmedberg> ted: do you know if we've seriously considered/written code to run windows mochitests in a separate desktop so that developers (me) don't have to stop using the computer while running tests?
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# [14:43] <@smaug> bsmedberg: separate desktop ?
# [14:43] <peterv> smaug: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/addon-sdk/source/lib/sdk/addon/window.js#67 :-(
# [14:44] <@bsmedberg> smaug: yeah, on Windows
# [14:44] <peterv> smaug: the hidden window is pretty popular
# [14:44] <@bsmedberg> the hidden window makes me incredibly sad
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# [14:45] <edmorley> bholley: hi :-)
# [14:45] <bholley> edmorley: are these android failures on this try push my fault? https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=267b3c81b0c2
# [14:45] <bholley> edmorley: or are they some kind of infra thing?
# [14:45] <edmorley> looking
# [14:46] <Ms2ger> TypeError: buildBrowserEnv() takes exactly 2 arguments (3 given)
# [14:46] <bholley> oh, I know what it is
# [14:46] <bholley> haha
# [14:46] <edmorley> bholley: te'd patch broke it https://hg.mozilla.org/try/rev/6e329993997d
# [14:46] <Ms2ger> bholley, did you look at ted's commit? :)
# [14:46] <bholley> I've got some patches from ted applied
# [14:46] <edmorley> ted's even
# [14:46] <bholley> because currently you can't debug mochitests on mac
# [14:47] <bholley> and it's been this way for a month :-(
# [14:47] <bholley> edmorley, Ms2ger: thanks
# [14:47] <Ms2ger> Np :)
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# [14:51] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> edmorley|sheriffduty: first try pass for the try run https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=687a285acbe0
# [14:51] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> retriggered the bc tests hopefully they come also back green
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# [14:52] <edmorley|sheriffduty> :-)
# [14:52] <edmorley|sheriffduty> Tomcat|sheriffduty: there's also https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=2a58c0f29f88, not sure what else is applied there
# [14:53] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> yeah
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# [14:54] <mccr8> the latter one adds back the old leak checker, I believe
# [14:54] <froydnj> mshal: sure. cctools ar not working?
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# [15:07] <mccr8> The patches in bug 933074 will make hash tables more resilient in low-memory situations, which may help with some of the OOMs.
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# [15:09] <ttaubert> bgrins: uploaded a new patch that should get rid of a few known false positives
# [15:09] <bgrins> ttaubert awesome, that will be very helpful
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# [15:13] <@khuey> edmorley|sheriffduty: how are we doing?
# [15:13] <edmorley|sheriffduty> khuey: sorry in a mtg; waiting on try atm afaict
# [15:13] <@khuey> have we managed to blame njn yet?
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# [15:14] <edmorley|mtg> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=2a58c0f29f88
# [15:14] <edmorley|mtg> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=687a285acbe0
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# [15:16] <@khuey> oh look, code with no tests
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# [15:16] <@khuey> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjbPi00k_ME
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# [15:34] <@ted> bsmedberg: yeah, i looked into that at one point
# [15:34] <@ted> i may have even written some test code
# [15:34] <@ted> it gets a little fiddly
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# [15:34] <@ted> bsmedberg: but we have this focus.testmode pref nowadays
# [15:35] <@ted> focusmanager.testmode
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# [15:35] <@ted> so uh, i think we should just figure out how to use that
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# [15:40] <@ted> wtf professor gave out this crappy assignment that this poor kid is trying to fumble through in dev.builds
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# [15:40] <@khuey> haha
# [15:40] <@ted> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.dev.builds/HtwEAY_Bpyg
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# [15:44] <@khuey> ok, still orange with the njn backouts
# [15:44] <@khuey> we're fucked :-)
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# [15:45] <@khuey> ted: do you know how to add a new xpcshell test dir these days?
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# [15:45] <Ms2ger> khuey, just add the manifest to the moz.build
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# [15:45] <@ted> yes
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# [15:47] <@khuey> so to create dom/base/tests/unit all I have to do is add something to dom/base/test/moz.build?
# [15:47] <Ms2ger> Or dom/base/moz.build
# [15:47] <Ms2ger> XPCSHELL_MANIFESTS?
# [15:47] <@khuey> cool
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# [15:50] <@bz> ted: professor gave a sane assignment
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# [15:50] <@bz> ted: "checkout, compile, and perform unit testing on an open source software project"
# [15:50] <@bz> ted: from earlier in the newsgroup
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# [15:51] <@bz> ted: this kid 1) picked a big open-source project, which is a mistake and 2) is trying to do the hard kind of unit testing....
# [15:51] <@bz> ted: Granted, more guidance on (1) in the assignment statement might have been nice
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# [15:53] <@ted> yeah
# [15:53] <@ted> well
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# [15:53] <@ted> if you look at his followup thing either he misunderstood the assignment or the assignment is dumb
# [15:53] <@ted> "unfortunately i can not use any of the built in featuers"
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# [15:53] <@ted> i told him how to write a CPP_UNIT_TEST
# [15:53] <@ted> which would actually be a thing we would do
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# [15:53] <@bz> ted: Ah. Yeah, that's dumb, if true.
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# [15:54] <@bz> ted: Asking students to create a new unit testing _harness_ is a bit too much.
# [15:54] <@ted> i would lay even odds on the assignment being dumb, or the student misunderstanding it :)
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# [16:21] <dustin> is mak's r+ on https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=925458 and a successful try run sufficient to land it on inbound?
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# [16:22] <@khuey> well nothing is sufficient to land on inbound right now
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# [16:23] <@khuey> when the tree is open, yes, it is sufficient
# [16:23] <dustin> hadn't checked that yet :)
# [16:23] <dustin> thanks
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# [16:31] <gps> jwalker: not sure if anyone answered w.r.t. sqlite.so and python errors. this typically happens after upgrading your system python. try clobbering and/or reinstalling the system python
# [16:31] <jwalker> thanks gps, the solution it turned out was "brew reinstall python"
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# [16:35] <edmorley|mtg> hmmm backout of njn's patch still giving failures https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=687a285acbe0
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# [16:47] <bjacob> glandium: if i put a nsRefPtr<foo> at file scope, am i adding a global ctor?
# [16:47] <bjacob> (i suppose the answer is yes)
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# [16:47] <bjacob> nical: ^
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# [16:48] <bjacob> (given nsRefPtr has a ctor nulling the pointer, which is compiled before the compiler knows that here we have static storage)
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# [16:48] <nical> bjacob: ah ok I see
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# [16:49] <nical> bjacob: yeah we should not be doing that
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# [16:49] <bjacob> nical: see in my ISurfaceAllocator patch how i wrap it in a func so the ctor is only run the first time it's used
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# [16:50] <nical> bjacob: cool
# [16:50] <bjacob> nical: i can make another patch doing the same for the parent singleton if that's ok
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# [16:50] <nical> that's ok
# [16:51] <nical> (to me)
# [16:51] <nical> more than ok, i mean that's good
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# [16:52] <tbsaunde> bjacob: you are, and should use StaticRefPtr instead
# [16:53] <bjacob> tbsaunde: i didn't know about StaticRefPtr!
# [16:53] <tbsaunde> bjacob: yeah, gcc is really stupid about this :/
# [16:54] <bjacob> tbsaunde: thanks, that is cleaner than my solution wrapping it in a function
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# [16:54] <bjacob> fewer brackets around
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# [17:00] <tbsaunde> bjacob: yeah, and slightly faster :)
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# [17:29] <nmatsakis> is there a policy on when it's ok to create a bugzilla alias?
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# [17:29] <mcsmurf> nmatsakis: for single bugs you mean?
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# [17:29] <nmatsakis> mcsmurf: right
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# [17:30] <mcsmurf> dont think so, but usually people only use it for popular bugs
# [17:30] <mcsmurf> use common sense ;)
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# [17:33] <@bsmedberg-errands> tar: worker: time stamp 2013-10-31 12:36:42 is 0.206 s in the future
# [17:33] <@bsmedberg-errands> yay windows/NTFS
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# [17:34] <@bsmedberg-errands> nmatsakis: it's used for bugs that collect dups a lot, and for metabugs that people visit a lot
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# [17:40] <alagenchev> I built firefox myself and want to send it to someone to look at it. However, everytime I try to run the executable from that folder I get "Could not find the Mozilla runtime" what am I doing wrong? How can I zip my binary and send it to someone?
# [17:41] <Mook_as> alagenchev: mach package?
# [17:41] <gcp> ./mach packge should get you what you need
# [17:41] <alagenchev> gcp thanks a lot
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# [17:48] <alagenchev> gcp: where does the packaged version end up residing, I can't seem to find it?
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# [17:50] <alagenchev> gcp: found it thanks!
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# [17:59] <@smaug> edro, edro
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# [18:03] <firebot> Check-in:
# [18:03] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/7832c5ffcb18 - Benjamin Smedberg - Bug 812683 - Fix various crashes in Windows graphics libraries by blocking the ASUS Gamer OSD software, which is discontinued and unsupported. r=jrmuizel, a=lsblakk
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# [18:04] <@smaug> jaws: not so easy to wontfix bugs filed by me ;)
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# [18:13] <jesup> bz: you have to yell, it's hard of hearing
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# [18:22] <RyanVM> jesup: if it isn't, set checkin-needed and I'll try to get it for you
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# [18:22] <jesup> RyanVM: thanks. 4MB memory win
# [18:22] <rnewman> RyanVM: is it me, or are you landing Android stuff on b2g-inbound?
# [18:23] <RyanVM> rnewman: I am
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# [18:23] <rnewman> INTERESTING
# [18:23] <RyanVM> rnewman: if it touches /mobile only, go for it
# [18:23] <rnewman> ^5
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# [18:23] <RyanVM> we have full android test coverage on b-i
# [18:23] <jesup> Those crazy people think debugs are interesting and want to use memory to store them ;-)
# [18:23] <RyanVM> rnewman: and this closure isn't for android
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# [18:24] <rnewman> yeah, I know; I was tempted to a=mobile-only and land on fx-team last night
# [18:25] <rnewman> just didn't want to annoy philor any more :)
# [18:25] <@bz> Something about "subtle and quick to anger"?
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# [18:25] <rnewman> :)
# [18:26] <RyanVM> rnewman: good strategy :P
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# [18:26] <Ms2ger> bz, subtle?
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# [18:27] <rnewman> "wubberly and justifiably quick to anger"
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# [18:33] <RyanVM> rnewman: two different bug numbers but linear part numbers?
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# [18:34] <rnewman> forgot to start the numbering again
# [18:34] <rnewman> let me just dupe that bug forward
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# [18:35] <rnewman> as you can see, this bug snowballed dramatically
# [18:35] <rnewman> :)
# [18:36] <RyanVM> rnewman: k, i'll try to remember that after merging
# [18:36] <RyanVM> since mcMerge will split them up accordingly
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# [18:36] <RyanVM> but if I happen to think of it, I can change it
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# [18:36] <rnewman> not a problem either way
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# [18:44] <Swatinem> edmorley|sheriffduty: RyanVM: im on it :-)
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# [18:44] <RyanVM> Swatinem: woowoo :)
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# [18:45] <jaws> smaug: i should find out as i'm going through my bugmail
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# [18:45] <@smaug> jaws: I think I've been overruled
# [18:45] <edmorley|sheriffduty> Swatinem: thank you :-)
# [18:45] <jgraham> smaug: Er, if you want those tests changed we should certainly submit a patch
# [18:45] <jaws> smaug: bug#?
# [18:46] <jaws> i have too many bugmails to go through now
# [18:46] <jgraham> What's the actual problem?
# [18:46] <jaws> i can of course find it myself, but i'm still going through the results of our triage today
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# [18:46] <@smaug> jgraham: some range tests use tons of memory
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# [18:46] <@smaug> since they keep lots of iframes alive
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# [18:47] <@smaug> jgraham: I think roc fixed those tests now
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# [18:47] <jaws> smaug: nevermind i see the bugmail now
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# [18:47] <jgraham> smaug: We should certainly upstream that kind of fix. Can you do something to the relevant bug so that I see it?
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# [18:47] <@smaug> trying to find it..
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# [18:49] <@smaug> jgraham: bug 933072
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# [18:50] <spohl> I seem to remember a document that listed our FF merge dates etc, but I can't seem to find it. Was this a Google Doc? Or a wiki page?
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# [18:50] <jcranmer|away> wiki page
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# [18:52] <@smaug> spohl: https://wiki.mozilla.org/RapidRelease/Calendar ?
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# [18:52] <spohl> jcranmer|away, smaug: perfect, thanks!
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# [18:53] <philor> spohl: or https://mail.mozilla.com/home/akeybl@mozilla.com/Release%20Management.html if you need to know things like beta->release or esr go-to-build
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# [18:54] <spohl> thanks, philor! haven't seen this page before. will bookmark this too
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# [18:56] <dmajor> when you separate a change into multiple parts, do the intermediate stages have to work (or even compile)?
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# [18:56] <mbrubeck> dmajor: Preferably yes, for the benefit of people doing 'hg bisect'
# [18:56] <froydnj> dmajor: yes
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# [18:56] <dmajor> k good to know :)
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# [18:57] <abr> philor: Awesome. I've been wanting an .ics for this!
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# [18:57] <mccr8> dmajor: though there is the argument that if it is going to fail, it should fail to even compile, not just fail some tests or something, so it is obviously busted.
# [18:58] <mccr8> but yes, working is best
# [18:58] <dmajor> "my code doesn't always fail, but when it does, it fails fast and obviously"
# [18:58] <Ms2ger> dmajor, if the immediate stages don't work, fold the patches before landing
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# [18:58] <froydnj> "it fails catastrophically"
# [18:58] <mccr8> yeah no harm in splitting for review, then landing at once
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# [18:59] <dmajor> makes sense
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# [18:59] <froydnj> do note that you're splitting for review and will fold, though, for avoidance of doubt
# [18:59] <dmajor> right
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# [19:04] <@bz> If you do, your reviewers will cut you. They will.
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# [19:16] <jorendorff> rats, lindsey kuper's talk isn't on air.m.o
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# [19:20] <Swatinem> edmorley|sheriffduty: patch submitted :-)
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# [19:21] <edmorley> Swatinem: thank you :-)
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# [19:24] <avih> bz: don't you think mandatory mpz approval of addon is a rather drastic step which isn't really inline with what mozilla should be?
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# [19:26] <@bz> avih: Yes
# [19:26] <@bz> avih: I just don't think the "think what would happen if Apple tried this" argument is the right argument against it. ;)
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# [19:27] <avih> bz: just one of many ;) but yeah, agreed.
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# [19:27] <@bz> avih: well, it's a very weak one, because Apple is doing it. ;)
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# [19:27] <@bz> avih: Of course we should not be trying to be like Apple. At all. ;)
# [19:27] <avih> bz: so far partially for desktop AFAIK
# [19:28] <avih> i.e. it could be bypassed. but yes, not the greatest example :)
# [19:28] <Swatinem> edmorley: can you take a look real quick? im on the run :-D
# [19:28] <avih> bz: i think counter arguments for the suggestion need more voices. i really hope it won't slide under the radar just because not enough cared
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# [19:29] <edmorley> Swatinem: sure :-)
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# [19:31] <@gavin> avih: "moz approval" is not really an accurate way to describe what they're proposing
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# [19:31] <@gavin> though I understand why people see it that way
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# [19:31] <avih> gavin: they may give it whatever title, but it's an approval of sorts imo, and a mandatory one
# [19:32] <@gavin> avih: there's very little subjectivity, malware scans only
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# [19:32] <avih> this is really the IOS model, possibly with less scrutiny, but same centralism
# [19:32] <@gavin> "centralism" isn't what's wrong with the IOS model by a long shot
# [19:32] <avih> it's a single point of control
# [19:33] <@gavin> the arbirtary rules/delaysare the much bigger problems in practice
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# [19:33] <jorendorff> Hey. Is Lindsey Kuper giving a talk right now in Mountain View?
# [19:33] <avih> well, it's the principle that is more important imo than the actual editorial decisions.
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# [19:33] <@gavin> I disagree :)
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# [19:34] * @smaug wonders what avih et al are talking about? some mozilla-required approval for FFOS apps?
# [19:34] <avih> gavin: you attended the same session as i dod at mozfest, such central control is bad for privacy and related issues.
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# [19:35] * RyanVM was wondering the same thing
# [19:35] <Ms2ger> smaug, RyanVM, "Add-on File Registration PRD" on m.d.platform
# [19:35] <avih> smaug: suggestion that firefox rejects all addons unless they were "approved" by mozilla as not malware
# [19:35] <@smaug> um
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# [19:36] <Mook_as> Ms2ger: I think the bulk of the discussion is in .planning actually?
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# [19:36] <avih> Mook_as: it is indeed.
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# [19:36] <Ms2ger> Mook_as, you're correct
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# [19:37] <@bz> We need a .platforming
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# [19:38] <Swatinem> edmorley: pushed… hope there are no more regressions from this :-)
# [19:38] <Swatinem> edmorley: have to go now, bye
# [19:38] <edmorley> Swatinem: thank you!
# [19:38] <avih> smaug: RyanVM: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.dev.planning/zLwLNyWm7es
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# [19:39] <avih> once the single point of control is there, it can be abused
# [19:39] <Ms2ger> bz, what we really need is a .meeting-announcements :)
# [19:39] <dholbert> It's a shame the tree's closed... we're missing the opportunity to paint it orange for halloween
# [19:39] <avih> lol
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# [19:39] <WeirdAl> dholbert++
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# [19:40] <Ms2ger> dholbert, it's closed because someone did that a few days early ;)
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# [19:41] <dholbert> Ms2ger, fair
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# [19:41] <dholbert> for Canadian halloween
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# [19:42] <@smaug> oh, halloween
# [19:43] <@bz> dholbert: lol
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# [19:45] <luke> in crash reports, does anyone know which "Windows NT" version corresponds to XP?
# [19:45] <luke> any chance it's 6.1?
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# [19:46] <tbsaunde> luke: 6.1 is 7
# [19:46] <mcsmurf> 5.1 is WinXP
# [19:46] <luke> ah, thanks
# [19:46] <@gavin> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Microsoft_Windows_versions has the version numbers
# [19:46] <@gavin> or most of them anyhow
# [19:46] <evilpie> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_NT#Releases
# [19:47] <luke> thanks again
# [19:47] <@gavin> ah, evilpie's link is better
# [19:47] <@smaug> seth: I don't see where layout is doing that magic
# [19:47] <RyanVM> dholbert: we can retrigger some runs for you if it helps get you in the spirit :P
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# [19:47] <dholbert> \o/
# [19:47] <seth> smaug: it is, i wrote the code that does it =)
# [19:47] <seth> smaug: i'll dig up an mxr link
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# [19:48] <philor> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Cedar&showall=1 should be festive enough for anyone
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# [19:48] <seth> smaug: here's the most important part. the image stored on the nsImageFrame may actually be an OrientedImage that wraps the original image, changing its orientation. https://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/layout/generic/nsImageFrame.cpp#550
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# [19:49] <@smaug> oh
# [19:49] <@smaug> that part I certainly missed
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# [19:50] <seth> smaug: heh, easy to miss, it's a few lines in a big file
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# [19:50] <@smaug> seth: ok, could you add some test, and add the missing null check and {}
# [19:50] <seth> smaug: you got it. working on the test now
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# [19:55] <bjacob> i wonder if inbound has a chance of reopening today!
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# [20:02] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> bjacob: i think they're still working on fixing some of the leaks that the fixed leak detector is finding
# [20:02] <@smaug> bjacob: I think we need still some devtool fixes
# [20:02] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> win7 debug bc is still broken
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# [20:03] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> bjacob: depending on what you're looking to land, b-i is open :)
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# [20:05] <@smaug> hmm, when did win7 bc start to leak
# [20:05] <@smaug> and is anyone looking at the leak?
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# [20:06] <bjacob> RyanVM|sheriffduty: i'll just land on release
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# [20:06] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> bjacob: perfect!
# [20:06] <bjacob> yay! i have sheriff approval
# [20:07] <Ms2ger> bjacob, sounds like a=RyanVM to me
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# [20:09] <tbsaunde> smaug: I'd think that would be you, but I guess I can try if you tell where to find some context
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# [20:10] <philor> smaug: I thought the theory was "it started when we started OOMing the cycle collector, and will stop when we stop doing that" but maybe not
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# [20:11] <Gijs> #devtools is extremely busy fixing all the devtools-related leaks, yes
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# [20:16] <@smaug> philor: hmm, why did we start ooming CC
# [20:16] <@smaug> mccr8: ^
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# [20:16] <@smaug> I knew about that one webgl case which created tons of js objects
# [20:17] <@smaug> but in general ?
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# [20:17] <mccr8> smaug: the theory is that PLDhash changes, to fix that, caused the amount of memory to go up for hash tables.
# [20:17] <mccr8> smaug: plus it accepts a lower level of loading
# [20:17] <mccr8> smaug: so in debug builds the hash table fails more often in low memory situations
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# [20:18] <@smaug> mccr8: trying to interpret "plus it accepts a lower level of loading"
# [20:18] <mccr8> smaug: basically, the new hash table gets to 75% before it decides to grow, and if it fails to grow, it fails
# [20:18] <@smaug> and I don't understand why the pldhash changes would make memory usage go up
# [20:18] <mccr8> smaug: before, it would go up to 99% before failing, or something
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# [20:19] <@smaug> oh
# [20:19] <@smaug> that is buggy
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# [20:19] <mccr8> smaug: well, the perf falls off a cliff when it gets very full, so njn was trying to make it better
# [20:19] <@smaug> mccr8: could we back out the change?
# [20:19] <mccr8> smaug: but in low memory situations you have badness
# [20:19] <mccr8> smaug: njn has a patch that makes it act more like it used to in that regard, at least in low memory situations
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# [20:20] <mccr8> smaug: he also has a patch to reduce the amount of memory it uses in debug builds
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# [20:22] <mccr8> smaug: just backing out his patches didn't entirely fix the problem so it isn't 100% clear why things went so wrong.
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# [20:30] <@smaug> mccr8: btw, want to review bug 933226? (assuming ttaubert isn't really online)
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# [20:34] <mccr8> smaug: sure I can review it if you'd like me to.
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# [20:34] <mccr8> smaug: looks okay to me, I'd just use SpecialPowers.forceGC(); or whatever it is rather than the QI grossness.
# [20:34] <mccr8> r=me if you want it. :P
# [20:35] <@smaug> I wasn't sure we have SpecialPowers in browser tests
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# [20:35] <@smaug> since it really doesn't make sense there
# [20:36] <mccr8> oh this is bc?
# [20:36] <@smaug> yup
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# [20:37] <qDot> Has anyone done any work with making mach and emacs play nicely yet? I remember there being some initial complaints about it screwing with compilation mode.
# [20:37] <mccr8> smaug: Components.utils.forceGC() looks like it should work
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# [20:38] <@smaug> mccr8: that doesn't call CC, IIRC
# [20:38] <qDot> gps: ping
# [20:38] <gps> qDot: (autoresponse) content-free ping detected. Please consider providing some additional context so I can address your questions more efficiently.
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# [20:39] <mccr8> smaug: ah yeah I guess you'd have to do forceCC() too
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# [20:39] <mccr8> so whatever you want. :P
# [20:39] <@smaug> forceGC(); forceCC(); might work
# [20:39] <qDot> Well then.
# [20:39] <@smaug> mccr8: the patch is perfect :)
# [20:39] <mccr8> like Firefox
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# [20:42] <@smaug> ha
# [20:42] <@smaug> s/Firefox/the web/
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# [20:42] <@smaug> RyanVM|sheriffduty: could I land that patch?
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# [20:43] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> smaug: absolutely
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# [20:43] <@bsmedberg> gah, testing java CtP has left me with nested loops caused by Java
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# [20:44] <mhenretty> using http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/, is there a way I can get the list of changesets between two revision hashes?
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# [20:45] <dholbert> mhenretty, yes. something like http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/pushloghtml?fromchange=a80dce1126db&tochange=4646259ab62d
# [20:45] <mhenretty> dholbert: ahhh there we go
# [20:45] <Ms2ger> mhenretty, though at least one of those is exclusive
# [20:45] <mhenretty> thanks Dan!
# [20:45] <dholbert> mhenretty, np!
# [20:45] <Ms2ger> dholbert, ... Dan? :)
# [20:45] <mhenretty> Ms2ger: good to know
# [20:45] <@smaug> mccr8: where is njn's latest patch?
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# [20:45] <dholbert> mhenretty, (yeah, the "from" cset won't be displayed.)
# [20:45] * @smaug would like to get the tree opened again
# [20:46] <dholbert> Ms2ger, yeah, some of us use real names occasionally :)
# [20:46] <mhenretty> dholbert: interesting
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# [20:47] <mhenretty> Ms2ger: yeah i know dholbert IRL and IRC. i have trouble reconciling to two sometimes :)
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# [20:47] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> smaug: blanket a=me for anything helping towards getting the trees reopened :)
# [20:47] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/0057a1758c79 - Olli Pettay - Bug 933226, less likely OOM when running browser_480148.js, r=mccr8, a=ryanvm CLOSED TREE
# [20:47] <Ms2ger> dholbert, somehow I'd never seen a Dan in you :)
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# [20:48] <dholbert> Ms2ger, yeah, well I never saw a ... nevermind, I still don't know your real name
# [20:48] <froydnj> qDot: mach checks some magic environment variable nowadays to play nicely with emacs; I don't remember what is it of the top of my head
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# [20:48] <dholbert> Ms2ger, :)
# [20:49] <Ms2ger> dholbert, :)
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# [20:56] <qDot> froydnj: Ah probably just does a dummy terminal check or something. Thanks!
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# [20:59] <mhenretty> dholbert Ms2ger: woah http://www.quora.com/Who-Is-Was-X/Who-is-Ms2ger
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# [20:59] <Ms2ger> You're not the first one to point that out :)
# [20:59] <mhenretty> I guess I should be more careful of using real names on IRC haha
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# [21:01] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> mhenretty: "Log in with Google/Facebook" - realy?
# [21:01] <Ms2ger> Still wondering who asked that
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# [21:01] <Ms2ger> RyanVM|sheriffduty, you can defeat that with the devtools
# [21:01] <Archaeopteryx> mhenretty: so you googled Ms2ger? did you search for "Whos is Ms2ger"?
# [21:01] <Ms2ger> RyanVM|sheriffduty, though that will probably leak
# [21:02] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> hah
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# [21:02] <mhenretty> Archaeopteryx: just googled `Ms2ger`. why? is that bad? am i on the NSA list now? i knew i shoulda used duck duck
# [21:03] <gps> qDot, froydnj: https://ci.mozilla.org/job/mozilla-central-docs/Build_Documentation/environment-variables.html contains the answer
# [21:03] <Ms2ger> (Devtools people: sorry about that, I know you're working hard)
# [21:03] <qDot> mhenretty: You stalker you.
# [21:03] <Ms2ger> mhenretty, should have asked firebot...
# [21:03] <qDot> gps: Huh, so we're setting the "Service Temporarily Unavailable" env var. Got it.
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# [21:04] <qDot> The comedic timing of 503 errors is really fantastic sometimes.
# [21:04] <gps> oh, jenkins
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# [21:04] <gps> need to get that stuff republished somewhere more stable
# [21:04] <grobinson|laptop> Jenkins, you lovable rogue!
# [21:05] <qDot> gps: Anyways, thanks. Looking at making a few m-c/b2g conveinence functions in emacs for myself, just wanted to know what's already been handled.
# [21:05] <gps> mdn peeps have plans to embed static docs direct into MDN. bug 920314
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# [21:07] <Ms2ger> froydnj, ten
# [21:07] <froydnj> Ms2ger: we are both being optimistic
# [21:08] <Ms2ger> Right
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# [21:31] <reuben> firebot: who is Ms2ger?
# [21:31] <firebot> reuben: I have heard that Ms2ger is the Dutch man of mystery (ms2ger@gmail.com)
# [21:31] <Ms2ger> wft
# [21:32] <@smaug> Dutch?
# [21:32] <Ms2ger> Who the hell keeps making me Dutch?
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# [21:32] <@smaug> firebot: Ms2ger is a prince of Belgium
# [21:32] <firebot> smaug: But Ms2ger is 'the international man of mystery (ms2ger@gmail.com)'...
# [21:33] <reuben> firebot: no, Ms2ger is a prince of Belgium
# [21:33] <firebot> reuben: ok
# [21:33] <Ms2ger> I deny everything
# [21:33] <efaust> Ms2ger: that's all well and good, but firebot told me so
# [21:33] <efaust> and I believe firebot
# [21:34] <reuben> Ms2ger: do you contribute to other projects under different aliases?
# [21:34] <@bz> firebot: no, Ms2ger is a Belgian Waffler
# [21:34] <firebot> bz: ok
# [21:34] <Ms2ger> reuben, well, that's clearly something I know and you don't :)
# [21:34] <Ms2ger> But bz got to the heart of me
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# [21:35] <reuben> I figure after a while it'd be like a second nature, hiding your identity everywhere you go :)
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# [21:36] <@bz> Sadly, that means I changed nsINode.h. :(
# [21:36] <@smaug> bz: could we not have ParentNode in C++?
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# [21:36] <AutomatedTester> Ms2ger being a prince makes perfect sense for some of the things he has told me
# [21:36] <AutomatedTester> if they are true...
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# [21:37] <Ms2ger> smaug, multiple inheritance? :)
# [21:37] <Ms2ger> smaug, we'd have to kill nsIContent first
# [21:37] <@bz> We could-ish
# [21:38] <@bz> but either it could not inherit from nsINode
# [21:38] <@bz> which would make implementing stuff in it a pain
# [21:38] <@bz> or something
# [21:38] <jdm> bz: wait, what? is this is spec change or something?
# [21:38] <@bz> jdm: Proposed spec change: add it on Element and DocumentFragment
# [21:38] <jdm> how curious
# [21:38] <@bz> jdm: there was a long thread
# [21:39] <@bz> jdm: also note that SVGSVGElement.prototype.getElementById has been specced for a long time
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# [21:39] <@bz> jdm: So all this is really doing is hoisting that to all elements
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# [21:39] <@bz> heh
# [21:40] <@bz> Does servo _have_ an SVG implementation?
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# [21:40] <@bz> (and if so, I have to slightly wonder why)
# [21:40] <@bz> In any case, implementing this is pretty easy
# [21:40] <@bz> at least if you have a good querySelector implementation
# [21:40] <@bz> (in that you can factor out some code and use that)
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# [21:41] <jdm> parallel svg on the gpu!
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# [21:41] <jdm> in servo it stands for sandboxed vector graphics
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# [22:08] <@bz> That's a more or less no-op build
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# [22:21] <philor> Yoric: any idea what's going on with https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=29934034&tree=Mozilla-Inbound?
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# [22:21] <NeilAway> bah
# [22:21] <NeilAway> why does gps have to make my life so difficult?
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# [22:22] <Ms2ger> Because he wants to make mine awesome
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# [23:00] <jaws> glandium: in the middle of a clobber build now. to see if that will fix it
# [23:00] <glandium> jaws: do you still have your failed objdir?
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# [23:48] <mccr8> smaug: looks like you fixed bc. ;)
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# [23:48] <mjrosenb> is it just me, or when an animated gif only loads partially, it soops the pieces that have been recieved, resulting in longer loops until *finally* the whole thing has loaded?
# [23:49] <mattwoodrow> mjrosenb: That's a recent regression iirc
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# [23:49] <mjrosenb> mattwoodrow: I feel like this has been happening for several months at this point.
# [23:50] <@smaug> mccr8: I did?
# [23:50] <@smaug> or, of course I did
# [23:50] <mccr8> smaug: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Mozilla-Inbound&rev=0057a1758c79
# [23:51] <@smaug> interesting
# [23:51] <mccr8> on the push before it, bc is pretty orange
# [23:51] <@smaug> it was peterv who noticed that the test was creating 500+ windows
# [23:51] <grobinson> what's the best way to create "selectable" text in XUL?
# [23:51] <mattwoodrow> mjrosenb: Maybe not all that recent then
# [23:52] <grobinson> i see readonly textboxes being used for it in pageinfo.xul
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# [23:52] <grobinson> is that the best way?
# [23:52] <@smaug> hmm, could we open the tree then?
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# [23:52] <@khuey> smaug++
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# [23:52] <@smaug> the old leak detector will need to land, and devtools fixed before that
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# [23:53] <@smaug> but at least the tree doesn't look too bad atm
# [23:53] <glandium> smaug: the orange is just hidden, now
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# [23:53] <glandium> that is, it is painted green
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# [23:56] <@smaug> do we have a sheriff
# [23:56] <glandium> philor: ^
# [23:56] <glandium> KWierso_: ^
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# [23:58] <KWierso|sheriffduty> glandium: KWierso_ is a ghost I haven't been able to exorcise from people.mozilla.org
# [23:59] <@njn> KWierso|sheriffduty: I have a pldhash-memory-reduction-on-debug build patche
# [23:59] <glandium> KWierso|sheriffduty: ask an ircop to kline it?
# [23:59] <KWierso|sheriffduty> smaug: you rang?
# [23:59] <glandium> so android 4.4 is designed for low end devices, but won't be available on galaxy nexus. oh the irony
# [23:59] <@smaug> KWierso|sheriffduty: should or could we open the tree?
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