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1. # Session Start: Thu Nov 14 00:00:00 2013
2. # Session Ident: #developers
3. # [00:00] <dholbert> (or RyanVM|afk who is afk)
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5. # [00:01] <philor> ekr: few minutes, lunch hour
6. # [00:01] <ekr> philor: thx
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9. # [00:02] <KWierso> ekr: https://secure.pub.build.mozilla.org/buildapi/self-serve/ ?
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11. # [00:03] <ekr> KWierso: This does not seem to be quite what I want...
12. # [00:03] <ekr> I just want to read.
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19. # [00:08] <RyanVM|afk> ekr: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?jobname=Windows%20XP%2032-bit ?
20. # [00:08] <RyanVM|afk> oh, from a script
21. # [00:08] <RyanVM|afk> don't think there's a ready-made way to do that, no
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25. # [00:11] <ekr> RyanVM: OK, then I'll just scrape
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32. # [00:16] <@njn> codacoder: hello
33. # [00:17] <codacoder> njn: hey- sorry - boss suddenyl decides he needs to im me :(
34. # [00:17] <@njn> codacoder: no rush!
35. # [00:17] <codacoder> get my last email?
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37. # [00:18] <codacoder> njn: here at least, that's 100% repeatable
38. # [00:19] <@njn> codacoder: the one about the animation?
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40. # [00:19] <codacoder> njn: yep
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42. # [00:19] <@njn> codacoder: so what exactly happens? you get the slow leak?
43. # [00:19] <philor> ekr: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getRevisionBuilds.php?branch=mozilla-inbound&rev=15c617927012
44. # [00:20] <ekr> philor: awesome. Thanks!
45. # [00:20] <codacoder> njn: yes. Take out that code (easy as renaming a file) and leak stops
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48. # [00:20] <@njn> codacoder: are you able to isolate the offending code into a standalone test?
49. # [00:20] <codacoder> njn: the "dramatic" part is, that code should be long gone
50. # [00:21] <codacoder> njn: it's a completely different page
51. # [00:21] <codacoder> njn: that isn't going to be easy but I'll try
52. # [00:21] <@njn> codacoder: that would be *enormously* helpful
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55. # [00:22] <@njn> codacoder: i.e. it would allow people other than you to debug it :)
56. # [00:22] <@njn> codacoder: also, I'm a bit fuzzy on how the different pieces of info you emailed me fit together
57. # [00:22] <codacoder> njn: lol, that would be nice ;)
58. # [00:22] <codacoder> njn: sure, Iget that - must be a nightmare
59. # [00:23] <@njn> codacoder: it's ok, you're emailing stuff as you find it; bugs are often like that too
60. # [00:23] <codacoder> njn: just want to be clear... I can repeat the issue/fix the issue 100%...
61. # [00:24] <codacoder> njn: but i cannot be absolutely certain that the ani *is* the culprit
62. # [00:24] <@njn> codacoder: does removing the animation fix it in FF25 as well?
63. # [00:24] <codacoder> njn: but I have to admit, it is something I kept looking at and dismissing because it's not (supposedly) in memory when the leak occurs
64. # [00:25] <codacoder> njn: that's my next test - that would be alarming
65. # [00:26] <@njn> (For everyone else, codacoder and I are talking about a bad leak he's seeing -- bug 936784)
66. # [00:27] * @njn bets it's something gfx related
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68. # [00:27] <@njn> because codacoder may have isolated the problem to some kind of animation
69. # [00:28] <codacoder> njn: yep, I wanted a way to animate bg color on a set of buttons (divs actually)... couldn't find anything that suited me so wrote it up in jQ
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73. # [00:28] <codacoder> njn: so gfx sounds right
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76. # [00:29] <gps> nalexander: yes, I'm not exporting twigs to my published monolithic repo. to pull twigs with my extension, just do `hg pull elm` or what not
77. # [00:29] <gps> nalexander: as of last night, you can even do `hg pull twigs`
78. # [00:30] <codacoder> njn: anytime I watch the html pane in devtools and watch the effect running and changing the html live... it amazes me how fast the pane can update...
79. # [00:30] <nalexander> gps: oh, interesting. I think it makes sense to define the twig repos in the extension; are they there? (e.g., elm and elm-push). It would be nice to have pulltree and pushtree that worked with twigs.
80. # [00:30] <codacoder> njn: firebug used to die trying to keep up
81. # [00:31] <@njn> codacoder: you're on Windows, right? have you tried this on other platforms?
82. # [00:31] <codacoder> njn:
83. # [00:31] <codacoder> no
84. # [00:31] <@njn> codacoder: no matter
85. # [00:31] <codacoder> njn: "windoze shop" :/
86. # [00:32] <codacoder> njn: trying 25...
87. # [00:32] <gps> nalexander: pushtree should work with twigs!
88. # [00:32] <@njn> codacoder: I only ask because if it didn't reproduce on another platform, that would strongly suggest gfx
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92. # [00:32] <gps> nalexander: if you give a known repo alias to `push`, it will use the ssh:// URLs automatically
93. # [00:32] <nalexander> gps: and elm is known?
94. # [00:32] <gps> nalexander: hg push -r . elm
95. # [00:32] <gps> nalexander: look in mozautomation/repository.py
96. # [00:33] <nalexander> gps: that definitely works (hg push elm)
97. # [00:33] <nalexander> gps: one of your blog posts had an (earlier) version of pushtree / pulltree that advanced bookmarks. It's nice for twigs.
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99. # [00:34] <gwagner> nalexander: you are burning b2g-inbound
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102. # [00:34] <nalexander> gwagner: yeah, just saw. Investigating.
103. # [00:34] <gps> nalexander: I originally implemented pushtree and pulltree as aliases. that was before i wrote the extension
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105. # [00:35] * nalexander will fix b2g-inbound tip, it's simple.
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107. # [00:35] <gwagner> famous last words :)
108. # [00:35] <nalexander> gwagner: list sorting :)
109. # [00:36] <gwagner> oh the includes. yeah
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114. # [00:40] <codacoder> njn: FF25 is GOOD
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116. # [00:41] <codacoder> njn: however... seems the animation is NOT the culprit
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119. # [00:42] <codacoder> njn: Richard Feynman was right - you're the easiest person to fool :/
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121. # [00:42] <nrc> are there cache coherency issues with bools on x86?
122. # [00:43] <nrc> like, if I write a bool, will other cores see the result immediately? Or do I need a memory barrier?
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128. # [00:46] * nalexander will re-open b2g-inbound in a few minutes after verifying the fix makes build progress
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139. # [00:51] <markh> Can I call do_QueryInterface(ob) when |ob| is null, or should I check it is non-null first? I'm going to check the result of the do_QueryInterface()
140. # [00:52] <@khuey> do_QI handles null
141. # [00:52] <markh> thx!
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153. # [00:59] <froydnj> nrc: memory barrier
154. # [01:01] <nrc> froydnj: do we ahve platform independent versions of the compiler intrinsics?
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193. # [01:26] <froydnj> nrc: we have approximations of them in mozilla/Atomics.h...that shouldn't be too hard to pull out if you were so inspired
194. # [01:27] <nrc> I was just looking at that. Probably makes more sense to use atomic<uint32_t> rather than a bool and DIY ordering
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198. # [01:28] <nrc> froydnj: do you know why we don't have atomic<bool>?
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201. # [01:29] <froydnj> nrc: it didn't look like msvc supported the right bits for doing that
202. # [01:29] <froydnj> nrc: I might have been wrong when I was looking at it, though
203. # [01:30] <nrc> ah, right. Why am I not surprised it's Microsoft's fault? :-)
204. # [01:30] <nrc> froydnj: thanks for your help!
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206. # [01:30] <froydnj> nrc: np!
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209. # [01:32] <gwagner> nalexander: ping
210. # [01:32] <gwagner> still busted :(
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214. # [01:34] <qDot> Assuming you've got e10s on (browser.tabs.remote), does running code via the webconsole happen in the context of the parent or child process?
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216. # [01:34] <gwagner> nalexander: are you on it or should we back out?
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225. # [01:38] <qDot> Ok I don't think the web console is happy with e10s.
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232. # [01:43] <sriram> is anyone facing issues with new xcode?
233. # [01:43] <sriram> and mavericks/
234. # [01:43] <sriram> ?
235. # [01:43] <nalexander> gwagner: let me look.
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238. # [01:44] <@dolske> qDot: I'd check with #devtools, but my impression is that they've been pretty forwards-thinking and are quite aware of e10s.
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240. # [01:46] <qDot> dolske: Huh, ok. I managed to create a service I figured should be in the child process in the parent somehow, not exactly sure where the nsGlobalWindow I'm accessing via the web console is.
241. # [01:47] <qDot> So this could also be a case of I Have No Idea What The Fuck I'm Doing. Likely that, even.
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246. # [01:51] <philor> is http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/toolkit/forgetaboutsite/test/browser/browser_clearplugindata.html?force=1#16 doing something wrong with the test plugin's API by just hauling off and calling p.setSitesWithData() without doing anything else first?
247. # [01:52] <philor> all the other uses seem to setSitesWithDataCapabilities() first
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249. # [01:52] <philor> and all the other uses also seem to not die with "setSitesWithData is not a function" when browser-chrome is split into chunks
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252. # [01:55] <gwagner> nalexander: any progress?
253. # [01:55] <nalexander> gwagner: yeah; I think I know the issue but I'm going to backout since chasing one's tail is bad form.
254. # [01:55] * philor finds that blame thinks he should ask dwitte whether dwitte didn't know how to do it, unlike dwitte who did
255. # [01:55] <gwagner> nalexander: yeah please back out. thx!
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268. # [02:03] <@khuey> so is it known that session restore is busted
269. # [02:03] <@khuey> and turns things into "New tab"?
270. # [02:03] <glandium> bsmedberg: thanks for the reviews ; in case you have some more time, there's a new one up
271. # [02:03] <mrbkap> khuey: In the end, that's all any tab is...
272. # [02:04] <spohl|away> didn't we have a way to print from front-end js to the error console? I can't seem to remember how to do that…
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283. # [02:12] <nrc> froydnj: I just started hitting this assert http://dxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/xpcom/glue/BlockingResourceBase.cpp#137 via Monitor::Lock - do you know what it means?
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301. # [02:20] <froydnj> nrc: it means that you're doing recursive locking with something that doesn't support doing that
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304. # [02:24] <nrc> froydnj: would that require more than call to Monitor::Lock() before Monitor::Unlock()?
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307. # [02:25] <froydnj> nrc: "more than one call" ?
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309. # [02:26] <nrc> froydnj: effectively I would need to do Lock(); Lock(); Unlock():
310. # [02:26] <froydnj> nrc: assuming that's what you mean, then yes (more than one call on the same thread, that is)
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312. # [02:26] <froydnj> yes, that's the scenario
313. # [02:26] <nrc> if I do Lock(); ... Unlock(); I should be OK, as long as ... does not include a recursive call?
314. # [02:26] <froydnj> yup
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316. # [02:27] <nrc> hmm, I am prery sure I'm not doing that. I have Lock(); NotifyAll(); Unlock(); on one thread
317. # [02:27] <nrc> and nothing else
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320. # [02:29] <froydnj> nrc: if you *really* want reentrancy, you could use mozilla::ReentrantMonitor, but that's not advisable
321. # [02:29] <froydnj> nrc: hm, that's weird
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323. # [02:29] <nrc> I don't want re-entrancy, but I seem to be getting it :-p
324. # [02:30] <froydnj> haha, IETF mailing list for discussing randomness: dsfjdssdfsd@ietf.org
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326. # [02:30] <Unfocused> heh
327. # [02:30] <nrc> mDDEntry->mAcquisitionContext is 0x0 and is meant to be kNone which is 0x-1, that seems a little odd
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329. # [02:31] <Unfocused> ddahl: hows spideroak treating you these days?
330. # [02:31] <Unfocused> (hi!!)
331. # [02:31] <ddahl> Unfocused: good!
332. # [02:31] <ddahl> hi!
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334. # [02:31] <froydnj> nrc: did you change your build settings or something?
335. # [02:31] <ddahl> Unfocused: i am hacking on some web apps!
336. # [02:32] <Unfocused> \o/
337. # [02:32] <nrc> I don't think so
338. # [02:32] <Unfocused> crypton demos, or actual products?
339. # [02:32] <ddahl> Unfocused: a little of both
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341. # [02:33] <ddahl> Unfocused: some webrtc stuff too
342. # [02:33] <Unfocused> cool :) excited to see what comes out of crypton
343. # [02:33] <Unfocused> orly?
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348. # [02:35] <markh> at the request of many people, I created the etherpad https://etherpad.mozilla.org/moz-git-tools documenting (well, really a brain dump of) how I use git and the moz-git-tools. People who also use git should edit to their hearts content, so eventually we can end up with a "best practices" document...
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354. # [02:38] <froydnj> markh: you should start using git-bz
355. # [02:39] <markh> froydnj: I think I'm scared of it :)
356. # [02:39] <froydnj> markh: I was too, but it's sooo much better than manually uploading files or whatnot
357. # [02:39] <froydnj> markh: no fancy completion of :-style nicks or suggestions, but very convenient
358. # [02:39] <markh> ok, I'll face my fears, thanks :)
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360. # [02:41] <markh> froydnj: feel free to edit that etherpad with details on how you work :)
361. # [02:41] <nalexander> froydnj: markh: +1 to |git bz|
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407. # [03:13] <reuben> Ms2ger is our most prolific volunteer committer with 2066 patches, followed closely by philor and RyanVM
408. # [03:13] <reuben> can't say I'm surprised :P
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412. # [03:15] <@roc> RyanVM is not a volunteer AFAIK
413. # [03:16] <@roc> not currently, that is.
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416. # [03:20] <RyanVM|afk> roc: not since January :)
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423. # [03:24] <reuben> true, true. I guess I just figured most of those commits would be from volunteer times
424. # [03:24] <@bz> reuben: where are you getting the stats?
425. # [03:24] <@bz> reuben: and is that counting bugs, changesets, pushes, or something else? ;)
426. # [03:25] <reuben> eek, I didn't post the link.
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428. # [03:25] <reuben> bz: https://metrics.mozilla.com/data/content/pentaho-cdf-dd/Render?solution=community&path=%2Fdashboards&file=contributorMap.wcdf
429. # [03:25] <reuben> you win, btw
430. # [03:25] * corey|away is now known as corey
431. # [03:25] <@bz> yeah
432. # [03:25] <@bz> I've also been at it for longer than ms2ger
433. # [03:26] * khuey|away is now known as khuey
434. # [03:26] <@bz> Also, this data is fishy
435. # [03:26] <@bz> since I know dbaron and roc have patches before I ever did. ;)
436. # [03:26] <RyanVM|afk> does it consider a non-mozilla email address to be a volunteer?
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438. # [03:26] <reuben> looks like it
439. # [03:26] <@bz> well
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441. # [03:26] <@khuey> RyanVM|afk: yeah, it's not too smart
442. # [03:26] <@bz> you mean in ldap?
443. # [03:27] <@bz> mmm, gaia pushbot the volunteer....
444. # [03:27] <@khuey> heh
445. # [03:27] <@bz> And cjones.
446. # [03:27] <@bz> anyway
447. # [03:27] <reuben> Ms2ger is the only real volunteer in that first page
448. # [03:28] <@bz> yeah
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481. # [03:52] <@njn> froydnj: is LD_LIBRARY_PATH and DYLD_LIBRARY_PATH just synonyms, effectively?
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484. # [03:53] <@njn> philor: are you able to trigger a Valgrind TBPL run? I've supposedly fixed the major problems, but with the trees closed, last night's scheduled run didn't occur, AIUI
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487. # [03:54] <@njn> philor: hmm, wait, maybe it did run
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490. # [03:56] <nthomas> yeah, on 7b014f0f3b03
491. # [03:57] <froydnj> njn: more or less, yes
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500. # [04:01] <@njn> philor: never mind; the patch that fixes the problem hasn't landed yet
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528. # [04:31] <philor> njn: but for the future, no, I can't, you need #releng for that
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533. # [04:33] <@njn> philor: gotcha. BTW, my patch should fix the "Output exceeded 52428800 bytes" problem
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536. # [04:39] <markh> I've got a strange problem that seems related to XrawWrappers which I don't understand at all - https://pastebin.mozilla.org/3599744 - anyone able to lend me a clue?
537. # [04:39] <markh> *XRay
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539. # [04:41] <@bz> markh: is this on anything resembling trunk?
540. # [04:42] <markh> bz: yes
541. # [04:42] <@bz> ok
542. # [04:42] <@bz> First of all, QI is a no-op on trunk
543. # [04:42] <@bz> on DOM nodes
544. # [04:42] <@bz> and in fact on most web-page-exposed objects
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547. # [04:43] <markh> right, I kinda new it shouldn't be necessary, but went back to first-principals to try and work out what was going on
548. # [04:43] <markh> *knew
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550. # [04:43] <@bz> What's going on is that nsIMozBrowserFrame has nothing to do with what you see in JS
551. # [04:44] <@bz> What you see in JS is determined by http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/dom/webidl/HTMLIFrameElement.webidl
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554. # [04:44] <markh> ah, right
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556. # [04:44] <@bz> See https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=844169#c46
557. # [04:44] <@bz> And following
558. # [04:44] <@bz> up through....
559. # [04:45] <@bz> comment 52
560. # [04:45] <@bz> So the only thing we exposed was appManifestURL
561. # [04:45] <@bz> If we need other things we can add them as needed
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570. # [04:51] <markh> bz: Thanks. I'm really just trying to do what nsFrameLoader::OwnerIsBrowserOrAppFrame() does. It might be easier for me to add that as a getter on nsIFrameLoader, which sounds simpler. What do you think?
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574. # [04:53] <markh> bz: what I'm hoping to do is to change http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/content/base/src/nsFrameLoader.cpp#957 so OwnerIsBrowserOrAppFrame() isn't checked in the c++, and make the observer notifications check it instead.
575. # [04:53] <markh> so the notification is sent for *all* remote browsers
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579. # [04:54] <markh> ie, to do that, I need all 4 existing observers of that notification to make the same check
580. # [04:55] <@bz> markh: we can also just expose this boolean on iframe
581. # [04:55] <@bz> markh: chromeonly
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584. # [04:56] <markh> bz: ok, thanks - I'll try and work out what that means exactly :)
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590. # [04:59] <@bz> markh: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/dom/webidl/HTMLIFrameElement.webidl#63
591. # [04:59] <@bz> markh: like that
592. # [04:59] <@bz> markh: and then implement on the C++ side
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594. # [05:00] <markh> bz: awesome, thanks!
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597. # [05:03] <@bz> markh: no problem
598. # [05:04] <@bz> markh: The c++ will just need a function called ReallyIsBrowserOrApp() that returns the right boolean
599. # [05:04] <@bz> Presumably it can just return nsIMozBrowserFrame::GetReallyIsBrowserOrApp()
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601. # [05:04] <markh> great!
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616. # [05:19] <jaws> glandium: i'm using mozmake on my local machine. so i shouldn't be seeing this?
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618. # [05:20] <glandium> jaws: the problem is that stupid feature only exists because the build system is slow. But with mozmake, you can use the binaries target, which is fast, and makes that dumb feature useless. Thus it's set to die.
619. # [05:20] <jaws> ok cool
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622. # [05:21] <glandium> jaws: you can apply the patch to remove dumbmake locally
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656. # [05:50] <glob> hekko Tomcat|sheriffduty
657. # [05:51] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> hi glob
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662. # [05:59] <josh> anyone here running OS X 10.8 and have 30 seconds to test something for me?
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665. # [06:00] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> josh: yep sure
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668. # [06:00] <josh> awesome, thanks
669. # [06:00] <josh> Open a Firefox window with two tabs, the hit command-shift-d, then hit cancel on the dialog that comes up. After this, is there a menu highlighted in the menu bar, the bookmarks menu in particular?
670. # [06:01] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> release Firefox or nightly ?
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672. # [06:01] <josh> both would be great, but probably doesn't matter
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677. # [06:03] <glob> josh, on nightly: no
678. # [06:03] <glob> josh, on release, yes
679. # [06:03] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> glob: nightly no
680. # [06:04] <josh> and you are both on OS X 10.8, not OS X 10.9, correct?
681. # [06:04] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> yeah 10.8.5
682. # [06:04] <glob> josh, 10.8.5
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685. # [06:05] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> System Version:OS X 10.8.5 (12F45)
686. # [06:05] <josh> glob: so you see the bookmark menu incorrectly remain highlighted after following those steps?
687. # [06:06] <josh> Tomcat|sheriffduty: Can you try release?
688. # [06:06] <glob> josh, yes
689. # [06:06] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> yeah
690. # [06:06] <josh> glob: thanks, very helpful
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692. # [06:07] <glob> josh, fwiw aurora: yes (bookmark menu remains highlighted)
693. # [06:08] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> josh: yeha i can confirm globs report about release
694. # [06:08] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> is highlighted on release
695. # [06:08] <josh> Tomcat|sheriffduty: Are you able to do this same test on 10.7 and/or 10.9?
696. # [06:08] <josh> I can't reproduce this bug on 10.9 with any version
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698. # [06:10] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> josh yeah i have a 10.7 system also here
699. # [06:10] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> downloading hte release build now
700. # [06:10] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> no 10.9's here :(
701. # [06:10] <josh> Tomcat|sheriffduty: no worries about 10.9, 10.7 would be great
702. # [06:10] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> was waiting for the jump to 10.9 so far :)
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704. # [06:11] <josh> glob: one more thing, can you do this test multiple times on Nightly and see if you can trigger it? might not happen every time
705. # [06:11] <glob> josh, interesting, it's happening every time now on nightly
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707. # [06:12] <glob> if i create a new window and repeat the steps, it's fine the first time, but not subsequent times
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711. # [06:13] <josh> glob: interesting, unfortunately even that doesn't allow me to reproduce on 10.9
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713. # [06:14] <glob> josh, would it help if i bisected to find when nightly's behaviour changed for the first instance?
714. # [06:15] <josh> glob: no, because this is going to go back many years
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716. # [06:15] <glob> hrm, something must have changed between aurora and nightly
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718. # [06:15] <josh> I thought you could repro on release too though?
719. # [06:16] <glob> i'm seeing different behaviour between nightly and aurora. aurora is acting the same as release
720. # [06:16] <josh> what is the behavior difference
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722. # [06:17] <glob> on nightly, the menu does not remain highlighted after the first dismissal of the dialog
723. # [06:17] <josh> this is for bug 722676, btw, if you are able to note anything in the future please do so
724. # [06:17] <glob> will do
725. # [06:18] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> grr 10.7 seems to need a reboot
726. # [06:18] <glob> although i'm not so sure anymore; it could have just been 'luck' that i was seeing that result
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728. # [06:21] <josh> yeah, repro seems pretty inconsistent
729. # [06:21] <josh> I really doubt anything has actually changed in the past 3-5 years, I'd be surprised if any of the builds behaved differently. I think there is a good chance we see different behavior on different OS versions.
730. # [06:22] <glob> i'm pretty sure i've seen other apps behave the same way
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732. # [06:24] <josh> glob, Tomcat|sheriffduty: Thanks again for your help, I have to run
733. # [06:24] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> hrm josh no hightlighted menu on release 10.7
734. # [06:24] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> so strange
735. # [06:24] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> np
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741. # [06:27] <neo> Can firefox run without spidermonkey? (disabling spidermonkey in firefox build)
742. # [06:28] <@khuey> no
743. # [06:28] <hub> no
744. # [06:29] <neo> what kind of support firefox receives from spidermonkey apart from interpreting javascipt present in web pages?
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746. # [06:31] <@khuey> parts of firefox are written in JS
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748. # [06:35] <@njn> neo: quite significant parts, at that
749. # [06:35] <@njn> neo: I'm pretty certain Firefox wouldn't run with JS disabled
750. # [06:36] <@khuey> nope
751. # [06:36] <@khuey> the whole UI is written in XUL/JS
752. # [06:37] <fabrice> and a bunch of platform components and js modules
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774. # [07:01] <glandium> wtf, talos is green when there are crashes
775. # [07:01] <glandium> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=30553443&tree=Try
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777. # [07:02] <philor> seems reasonable
778. # [07:04] <philor> after all, after the crash, blobuploader failed, and when it fails it returns 0, so everything's fine
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780. # [07:05] <philor> the interleaved output is a nice touch, too
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804. # [07:27] <glandium> that's interesting... we enable dtrace on opt builds, but not on debug builds
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839. # [08:09] <markh> I saw some c++ code that uses a utility class to cache preferences for efficiency - does anyone know what I'm talking about and where it is?
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841. # [08:10] <markh> ah - AddBoolVarCache
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852. # [08:19] <glob> happy bmo push day! https://globau.wordpress.com/2013/11/14/happy-bmo-push-day-73/
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855. # [08:22] <@khuey> somehow a bunch of people all decided to file stupid bugs today
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861. # [08:26] <tbsaunde> file stupid bugs and the fiddle with random flags :p
862. # [08:27] <@khuey> I wouldn't care so much if they weren't messing with blocking-b2g
863. # [08:27] * glob looks
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867. # [08:29] <glob> all from different IPs
868. # [08:30] <@khuey> yeah I don't think it's a spammer
869. # [08:30] <@khuey> just people being idiots
870. # [08:30] <@khuey> maybe some professor told them to go file bugs as homework or something
871. # [08:31] <glob> oh, it helps if i don't typo the bug numbers; same IP
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907. # [09:01] <seth> just updated an extra repo i hadn't touched in a while
908. # [09:01] <seth> added 5997 changesets with 31137 changes to 12349 files
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910. # [09:01] <seth> 31337 changes! this has gotta be some good stuff
911. # [09:02] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> heh
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935. # [09:24] <tbsaunde> and another stupid bug :(
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937. # [09:25] <paul> Does anyone know if a patch that lands in beta will be automatically uplifted to the B2G Gecko 26 branch (Firefox OS 1.2)?
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940. # [09:27] <@khuey> paul: at the moment, yes
941. # [09:27] <@khuey> that will change at some point
942. # [09:27] <@khuey> don't know when
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944. # [09:29] <paul> khuey: thank you
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954. # [09:39] <@khuey> sigh
955. # [09:39] <@khuey> I got bitten by CallWindowProcCrashProtected again
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981. # [10:06] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/4e3a84277bd2 - Carsten "Tomcat" Book - Backed out changeset fe63bf2c6a3a (bug 935228) as result of the discussion of Bug 937997 Comment 48 Trees Closed due to OOM on a CLOSED TREE
982. # [10:06] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/3382fad9edf0 - Carsten "Tomcat" Book - Backed out changeset 2abeb02c4777 (bug 933882) as result of the discussion of Bug 937997 Comment 48 Trees Closed due to OOM on a CLOSED TREE
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999. # [10:12] <KWierso> glob|away: "record a bug in bugzila"... well, at least they're being up front about things... :P
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1009. # [10:18] <ferjm> hi! where should I request editbugs permissions for a new contributor?
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1012. # [10:21] <@khuey> ferjm: this is a good place
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1015. # [10:22] <ferjm> khuey, cool, his bugmail is vittone@tid.es
1016. # [10:23] <@khuey> ferjm: promise he will be good?
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1018. # [10:23] <ferjm> khuey, we pay him to be good
1019. # [10:23] <@khuey> heh
1020. # [10:23] <@khuey> ferjm: done
1021. # [10:23] <ferjm> khuey, thanks!
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1045. # [10:48] <Gijs> hsivonen: ping
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1047. # [10:50] <Gijs> hsivonen: your list in https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=936442#c14 omits iso-8859-1, is that intentional?
1048. # [10:51] <hsivonen> Gijs: it's intentional, yes
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1050. # [10:51] <hsivonen> Gijs: it's called windows-1252 now
1051. # [10:51] <Gijs> Well, those aren't the same, the internet says (I just googled :P )
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1053. # [10:51] <Gijs> I can see why you'd normally want windows-1252 rather than iso-8859-1 for displaying webpages though...
1054. # [10:52] <Gijs> (whenever it'd make a difference, that is)
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1056. # [10:53] <Gijs> hsivonen: also, the code that's currently there checks this: notForBrowser = CharsetManager.getCharsetData(charset, "notForBrowser");
1057. # [10:53] <Gijs> hsivonen: I'm guessing that if we're using your list as a whitelist, we don't need to do that?
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1060. # [10:55] <hsivonen> Gijs: yeah, no need to check notForBrowser
1061. # [10:55] <hsivonen> Gijs: the Internet is wrong about windows-1252 and ISO-8859-1 not being the same
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1063. # [10:56] <hsivonen> (sorry, gotta be in a meeting)
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1066. # [10:57] <smontagu> iso-8859-1 has been driven out by windows-1252
1067. # [10:57] <smontagu> q.v. Gresham's Law
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1313. # [15:10] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> bsmedberg: thanks. i think currently there is a lot of investigation going on
1314. # [15:10] <marcoz> Hi there! Anyone know what these errors mean while trying to build Firefox OS for Unagi devices on OS X 10.8.5 with Xcode 5.0.2? http://pastebin.mozilla.org/3602667
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1316. # [15:10] <marcoz> ./config.sh runs through without complaints.
1317. # [15:10] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> at least bug 937997 has also some dependencies
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1324. # [15:13] <kaie> on linux, when compiling the firefox binary: is jemalloc being used for the nspr/nss code, too?
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1344. # [15:28] <Optimizer> how to find the height of the screen from a chrome script without |window| object
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1347. # [15:29] <reuben> marcoz: s/-Werror// on the relevant Android.mk files
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1350. # [15:30] <paul> Optimizer: there are different ways to do that. One is to use appShellService.createWindowlessBrowser(), and from here, DOMWindow.screen.height
1351. # [15:31] <Optimizer> paul: nsiScreen
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1355. # [15:33] <paul> Optimizer: you can instanciate a nsIScreen object?
1356. # [15:33] <Optimizer> yeah :D
1357. # [15:33] <paul> Optimizer: from the screenmanager?
1358. # [15:33] <Optimizer> well, I was thinking there will be something simpler
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1361. # [15:33] <Optimizer> https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/XPCOM_Interface_Reference/nsIScreen
1362. # [15:34] <paul> yeah, the screenmanager is an option too
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1371. # [15:45] <marcoz> reuben: Sorry, didn't catch that.
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1373. # [15:46] <reuben> marcoz: remove any occurrences of "-Werror" on the affected makefiles
1374. # [15:46] <reuben> marcoz: IIRC they're framework/base/tools/obbtool/Android.mk and frameworks/base/tools/validatekeymaps/Android.mk
1375. # [15:46] <marcoz> reuben: Why do I have to do that? Why is it broken now when it used to work once a few weeks ago?
1376. # [15:46] <marcoz> reuben: I don't deal with this stuff every day, so I don't even know which makefiles to touch.
1377. # [15:46] <reuben> marcoz: Xcode 5 broke it
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1394. # [15:55] <marcoz> reuben: Trying a new build. Thanks for your help! Hope this will find its way into the regular build system soon so developers don't have to do that manually in the future!
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1443. # [16:24] <tonymec> gfritzsche: oops, yes, wrong bug number; see correct bug number in bug 932824 comment 8
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1455. # [16:28] <Ms2ger> ekr, did you hear that the CSSWG decided to reference RFC 6919?
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1458. # [16:30] <ekr> Ms2ger: I did not, that's awesome!
1459. # [16:31] <ekr> It's probably going to be my best RFC
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1461. # [16:33] <Ms2ger> ekr, http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/css/20131112#l-466
1462. # [16:33] <davidb> lol
1463. # [16:34] <davidb> awesome
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1466. # [16:35] <froydnj> ekr: that's fantastic
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1471. # [16:36] <ekr> we aim to please
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1483. # [16:44] <bkero> Hmm, curious: How do y'all think modern Firefox will run on a 1.6GHz Atom with 2GB RAM?
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1485. # [16:45] <reuben> from what I hear storage is the real bottleneck
1486. # [16:45] <bkero> 256GB SSD should make it better
1487. # [16:45] <bkero> I just got myself a top-of-the-line Sony Vaio P. The hardware is a bit old, but the form factor is compelling.
1488. # [16:45] <froydnj> runs okish on a netbook I have with those specs
1489. # [16:45] <bkero> 1600x768 :3
1490. # [16:45] <gaston> bkero: using one daily, pretty usable even with 1GB RAM
1491. # [16:46] <froydnj> 1600x768? what a weird resolution
1492. # [16:46] <gaston> (and a 2"5 disk, no ssd)
1493. # [16:46] <bkero> gaston: Oh cool!
1494. # [16:46] <bkero> I'm looking forward to trying. I have to get my roommate to mail it to me first. >_>
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1496. # [16:47] <paul> How do I install gdb on osx 10.9?
1497. # [16:48] <gaston> bkero: but as i'm using a slow by definition OS, i have low standards in terms of speed & reactiveness :)
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1499. # [16:49] <reuben> paul: gdb comes with Xcode, but you can also do |brew install gdb|
1500. # [16:49] <reuben> (requires Homebrew)
1501. # [16:49] <paul> reuben: well… apparently it's not the case with the new osx
1502. # [16:49] <reuben> note the caveats section, you'll have to create a code signing cert and sign the bniary
1503. # [16:49] <paul> reuben: and brew install gdb doesn't work either
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1506. # [16:49] <reuben> WFM, I'm on 10.9 and have both Xcode gdb and Homebrew gdb installed and working
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1508. # [16:50] <bkero> gaston: Ah ok. I'll be using a fast OS, but due to the proprietary hardware drivers I don't have accelerated 2D or 3D.
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1510. # [16:50] <paul> reuben: apparently, it's been replaced by lldb: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/19554439/gdb-missing-in-os-x-mavericks
1511. # [16:50] <paul> reuben: what's your version of xcode?
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1513. # [16:51] <reuben> paul: ah, I probably have the existing copy from 10.8 then. I'm on 5.0.2
1514. # [16:51] <paul> damn
1515. # [16:51] <reuben> paul: how does brew install gdb fail?
1516. # [16:51] <gaston> bkero: ah maybe it'll be painful then. my netbook has intel with kms/drm accel... but iirc it was usable before the gfx accel
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1522. # [16:52] <paul> reuben: Error: No available formula for gdb
1523. # [16:52] <bkero> gaston: I'm basically on Poulsbo (GMA500) graphics. I'll have whatever level of support that has in a modern kernel.
1524. # [16:52] <gaston> ah, poulsbo, the dreaded chipset
1525. # [16:52] <reuben> o_o
1526. # [16:53] <gaston> i've heard there are some accelerated oss drivers for it, reverse-engineered from the closed source ones... not sure
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1528. # [16:53] <paul> reuben: brew tap homebrew/dupes appears to offer me gdb… trying
1529. # [16:53] <reuben> paul: oooh. try |brew tap homebrew/dupes|
1530. # [16:53] <reuben> yep
1531. # [16:53] <reuben> though they'll probably move gdb to the main library now
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1562. # [17:06] <@ehsan> edmorley|sheriffduty: ping
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1564. # [17:06] <edmorley|mtg> ehsan: sorry, meeting atm
1565. # [17:06] <@ehsan> ok
1566. # [17:06] <Ms2ger> He ran into that meeting quickly... ;)
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1569. # [17:07] <paul> reuben: yeah, it worked, but I had to sign the binary
1570. # [17:07] <reuben> paul: nice
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1586. # [17:15] <bholley> jmaher: ping
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1589. # [17:17] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/c5d753e11d30 - ffxbld - Added FIREFOX_26_0b5_RELEASE FIREFOX_26_0b5_BUILD1 tag(s) for changeset 2328244402b1. DONTBUILD CLOSED TREE a=release
1590. # [17:17] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/2328244402b1 - ffxbld - Automated checkin: version bump for firefox 26.0b5 release. DONTBUILD CLOSED TREE a=release
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1592. # [17:18] <jmaher> bholley: pong
1593. # [17:18] <bholley> jmaher: this does not seem to be taking effect for mochitest-chrome: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/testing/profiles/prefs_general.js#103
1594. # [17:18] <bholley> jmaher: expected?
1595. # [17:19] <jmaher> bholley: define not taking effect? it doesn't show up in the browser about:prefs?
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1597. # [17:19] <bholley> jmaher: as in, in my test, Services.prefs.getBoolPref('dom.use_xbl_scopes_for_remote_xul') is false
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1599. # [17:20] <jmaher> bholley: ok, that seems like a bug- do we set it to false somewhere else? another pref, another test?
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1602. # [17:21] <jmaher> bholley: how are you running these btw? ./mach mochitest-chrome ?
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1604. # [17:21] <bholley> jmaher: mach mochitest-chrome test_bug932906.xul
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1607. # [17:22] <jmaher> bholley: where do you change the pref (which file)? maybe you are changing it in the wrong directory
1608. # [17:23] <bholley> jmaher: 'change the pref'?
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1610. # [17:23] <bholley> jmaher: I'm not changing it
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1614. # [17:23] <jmaher> bholley: oh that is what is checked in
1615. # [17:24] <jmaher> ok, let me look at it, might be simple
1616. # [17:24] <bholley> jmaher: right, in testing/profiles/prefs_general.js
1617. # [17:24] <bholley> jmaher: thanks
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1635. # [17:29] <jmaher> bholley: I just ran it on my inbound tree and in about:config I verified that dom.use_xbl_scopes_for_remote=true
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1637. # [17:30] <bholley> jmaher: in mochitest-chrome?
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1639. # [17:30] <bholley> jmaher and do you mean 'for_remote_xul'?
1640. # [17:31] <jmaher> err, yeah
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1643. # [17:31] <bholley> jmaher: so in a blank mochitest-chrome, ok(Services.prefs.getBoolPref('dom.use_xbl_scopes_for_remote_xul')) will pass?
1644. # [17:31] <bholley> jmaher: weird
1645. # [17:31] <bholley> jmaher: do test profiles get cached somewhere?
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1647. # [17:32] <jmaher> bholley: I don't believe profiles get cached, we create a fresh on in /tmp for each run
1648. # [17:32] <jmaher> can you send me your testcase :test_bug932906.xul
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1650. # [17:33] <bholley> jmaher: https://pastebin.mozilla.org/3603381
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1652. # [17:34] <reuben> is there something like |NS_PRINTF_WARNING("foo %s", str);|?
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1654. # [17:34] <bholley> jmaher: notice that the pref is munged, but later in the test
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1684. # [17:52] <bhackett> is there any chance that inbound will open today?
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1688. # [17:53] <@ehsan> doesn't look much like it ;)
1689. # [17:53] <gaston> free holidays \o/
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1693. # [17:55] <mcsmurf> back in the days the tree was closed every day (for a more or less short time ;)
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1703. # [17:59] <bholley> jmaher: any progress?
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1705. # [18:01] <jmaher> bholley: I can't get that test case to work with mach
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1707. # [18:01] <jmaher> it can never find the file
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1709. # [18:02] <bholley> jmaher: you added it to chrome.ini?
1710. # [18:02] <bholley> jmaher: in js/xpconnect/tests/chrome?
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1720. # [18:08] <jmaher> bholley: I moved it to there, rebuilt, verified it is in chrome.ini and on the filesystem- still doesn't work :(
1721. # [18:09] <bholley> jmaher: the test doesn't run?
1722. # [18:09] <jmaher> bholley: mach cannot find it
1723. # [18:09] <bjacob_> bsmedberg_: a quick review on bug 938393 would be appreciated, very small patch
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1725. # [18:09] <jmaher> bholley: sorry, had a typo in the test name
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1727. # [18:10] <bholley> jmaher: ;-)
1728. # [18:10] <bjacob_> ehsan: updated patch to review on bug 937204
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1735. # [18:11] <jmaher> bholley: same problem as you see
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1737. # [18:11] <bholley> jmaher: \o/
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1755. # [18:21] <bjacob_> bsmedberg: thanks!
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1777. # [18:34] <jmaher> bholley: ping
1778. # [18:34] <bholley> jmaher: hi
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1780. # [18:34] <jmaher> bholley: in your testcase your reload the iframe, on the second load the pref is set to false and fails
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1783. # [18:35] <bholley> jmaher: I don't follow
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1786. # [18:35] <bholley> jmaher: the checks in the testcase aren't going to pass without the associated patch, which you don't have
1787. # [18:35] <bholley> jmaher: the only interesting bit for you is the initial sanity check at the top of go()
1788. # [18:35] <jmaher> bholley: line 54 for https://pastebin.mozilla.org/3603381
1789. # [18:36] <jmaher> bholley: agreed, but the check for the pref=true passes, then you reload the iframe and it fails
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1791. # [18:36] <jmaher> as it should since you reload it after setting it to false
1792. # [18:36] <bholley> jmaher: oh!
1793. # [18:36] <bholley> jmaher: because i forgot to strip the onload handler
1794. # [18:36] <bholley> jmaher: so go() gets invoked twice
1795. # [18:37] <bholley> jmaher: doh!
1796. # [18:37] <jmaher> yep, np
1797. # [18:37] <jmaher> it is always good to double check harness/test code once in a while
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1799. # [18:37] <bholley> jmaher: thanks, sorry for the trouble ;-)
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1801. # [18:38] <jmaher> bholley: np; glad you are able to move forward
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1811. # [18:41] <bholley> jmaher: yep, works now. Thanks again
1812. # [18:41] <jmaher> aye
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1818. # [18:44] <@bz_away> Still too many OOMs?
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1832. # [18:48] <@smaug> froydnj: did you push the fix?
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1834. # [18:48] <froydnj> smaug: not yet
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1839. # [18:49] <froydnj> I was looking at a b-c OOM log and didn't see any obvious data: urls
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1843. # [18:49] <froydnj> can do, though
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1878. # [19:01] <aleth> Does an OS.File.DirectoryIterator object call close() automatically when it is gc'd?
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1880. # [19:02] <@bsmedberg> aleth: I don't think so, and you should not rely on that anyway
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1883. # [19:02] <aleth> bsmedberg: Thanks!
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1907. # [19:12] <philor> edmorley|mtg: I think you're missing the up side of reopening - they're declaring that things can't be fixed because nobody understands what's wrong or how things work, that means we're moving from the part of this post-apocalyptic tale where the auto mechanic and the computer hobbyist are gods because they can fix The Machines to the part where everyone must obey the sheriff-priests absolutely when they say "the gods are angry with shu, take
1908. # [19:12] <philor> him out and kill him"
1909. # [19:12] <philor> let's just reopen, and start disabling every test we don't like
1910. # [19:13] <philor> kill all of dom/imptests/, every single bit of it
1911. # [19:13] <Ms2ger> Except for mine
1912. # [19:13] <Ms2ger> No :(
1913. # [19:13] <philor> heh, yours are first up against the wall
1914. # [19:13] <edmorley|mtg> philor: lol
1915. # [19:13] <philor> FIRST
1916. # [19:13] <edmorley|mtg> philor: you make a good case! ;-)
1917. # [19:13] <philor> then devtools
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1919. # [19:13] <philor> one directory at a time or all at once, I don't really care
1920. # [19:13] <Ms2ger> Eh, I think there's a good case for doing dom-level* first
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1922. # [19:14] <philor> yeah, we already did for Mac, but it's failing all the time on Windows too, we can do it second and then do devtools third
1923. # [19:14] <RyanVM> dom-level*, imptests, devtools, webgl
1924. # [19:14] <philor> because there's absolutely no question that the auto mechanic is never going to look at it
1925. # [19:15] <RyanVM> sessionstore causes lots of grief
1926. # [19:15] <philor> the tests, or the feature itself?
1927. # [19:15] <RyanVM> the tests
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1929. # [19:15] <edmorley|mtg> philor: you have cheered me up immensely, thank you :-)
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1933. # [19:16] <Ms2ger> philor, can I offer the WebGL code as a sacrifice?
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1936. # [19:18] <RyanVM> Ms2ger: I'm afraid the gods are very hungry
1937. # [19:18] <RyanVM> RyanVM|priest
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1940. # [19:18] <RyanVM|shamanduty> there we go
1941. # [19:18] <@dolske> shamwow
1942. # [19:19] * Ms2ger plays a didgeridoo to appease them
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1946. # [19:19] <philor> Ms2ger: I doubt it, since for the most part we think our Linux slaves are incapable of doing webgl, yet ASan tests reek of OOM
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1949. # [19:21] <philor> RyanVM|shamanduty: the sad part is, I was actually hahaonlyserious
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1953. # [19:22] <philor> I don't think anyone plans on doing any more for us
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1955. # [19:23] <RyanVM|shamanduty> if the various managers responsible for dom, devtools, and webgl are OK with their tests being disabled, I'm happy to do so and reopen the tree
1956. # [19:23] <philor> and heck, we only got two unfiled unknown failures as a result of throwing shu to the wolves, and only one of them looks like it might have been OOM
1957. # [19:23] <@gavin> managers don't decide whether tests get disabled, module owners do
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1960. # [19:23] <RyanVM|shamanduty> gavin: fair enough
1961. # [19:23] <RyanVM|shamanduty> s/managers/module owners then
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1963. # [19:24] <RyanVM|shamanduty> you get the point
1964. # [19:24] <edburns> I see a few names I recognize from my brief time working on Netscape 6. For example, timeless and bsmedberg.
1965. # [19:24] <philor> but whether you're talking managers or module owners, nobody is going to say "why yes, I'd like to have my team provide the sacrifice to the gods"
1966. # [19:25] <philor> that's why you have sheriff-priests who are outside the clan system
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1969. # [19:25] <RyanVM|shamanduty> until the sheriffs get thrown to the wolves
1970. # [19:25] * RyanVM|shamanduty has seen that happen before
1971. # [19:25] <philor> sure, that's how the trope always ends, overthrow of the priests
1972. # [19:25] * froydnj is looking forward to reading The Book Of the Shaman Sheriffs
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1974. # [19:26] <edburns> Can anyone here comment on Mozilla.org's level of involvement with the W3C HTML 5 specifications?
1975. # [19:26] <RyanVM|shamanduty> point is, I want someone with authority to make the decision and stand behind it
1976. # [19:26] <philor> the fact that I don't care, because it won't be physical death, makes me more fond of this plan than I would be if I was talking about my job
1977. # [19:26] <RyanVM|shamanduty> edburns: kind of a broad topic, no?
1978. # [19:26] <Ms2ger> edburns, we have no interest in the W3C forks of WHATWG specifications.
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1980. # [19:26] <@bz> edburns: Tht is an _interesting_ question.
1981. # [19:26] <@bz> ms2ger: Define "we"... ;)
1982. # [19:27] <edburns> RyanVM|shamanduty: Sure, it's a broad question.
1983. # [19:27] <@bz> edburns: For the most part, we're focused on the whatwg spec
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1985. # [19:27] <edburns> bz: I think you're another name from the Netscape 6 days, no?
1986. # [19:27] <@bz> edburns: yeah
1987. # [19:27] <Ms2ger> bz, ask a broad question, get a broad answer :)
1988. # [19:27] <@bz> edburns: But the a11y guys are still involved with the HTML WG in w3c
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1990. # [19:27] <@bz> edburns: Fair number of folks around (dbaron, roc, brendan, sicking, peterv, various others)
1991. # [19:27] <@bz> edburns: Long time no see. ;)
1992. # [19:28] <edburns> bz: Yes, indeed. I've been hanging out these many long years at Sun/Oracle.
1993. # [19:28] <@bz> edburns: we're pretty active in providing implementation feedback on the spec and hashing things out
1994. # [19:28] <edburns> Stability is the right thing for me at this point in my life.
1995. # [19:28] <@bz> edburns: yup. You were doing Java stuff, right?
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1999. # [19:28] <edburns> But I am giving a talk on HTML5 (as it relates to the JCP standard I help evolve) and I wanted to get my facts straight.
2000. # [19:29] <@bz> ah, ok
2001. # [19:29] <edburns> bz: Yes, I was working on OJI (may it rest in pieces)
2002. # [19:29] <@bz> So the first problem with "HTML5" is that it's a marketing term.
2003. # [19:29] <edburns> Did you say Patrick Beard was still around?
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2005. # [19:29] <edburns> bz: Yes, exactly, it is.
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2008. # [19:29] <@bz> So there's an actual "HTML version 5" specification the W3C is producing
2009. # [19:30] <@bz> but when most people say "HTML5" they mean something quite different from that
2010. # [19:30] <edburns> Yes, I'm aware of all of that craftiness.
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2013. # [19:30] <@bz> And in practice at least most browser vendors aren't all that interested in the exact contents of "HTML version 5"
2014. # [19:30] <edburns> I'm put off by the hubris of the HTML5 marketing term.
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2016. # [19:30] <@bz> Except insofar as making sure it doesn't contradict reality too much.
2017. # [19:31] <@bz> Which is mostly being handled by the WG without the browser vendors' involvement, as far as I can tell.
2018. # [19:31] <Ms2ger> remote: Could not connect to the LDAP server at ldap://ldapsync1.db.scl3.mozilla.com
2019. # [19:31] <Ms2ger> Woop woop
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2021. # [19:31] <@bz> Ms2ger: Who needs LDAP anyway?
2022. # [19:31] <@bz> Ms2ger: and why are you pushing to a closed tree? ;)
2023. # [19:31] <Ms2ger> bz, try doesn't look closed from here
2024. # [19:32] <jwatt> philor, RyanVM|shamanduty, edmorley|away: if sorting out the memory issues is all of critical, urgent, hard, and getting little traction, then surely it should be escalated to someone like bmoss
2025. # [19:32] <edburns> So I'm trying to put out there what people mean when they say HTML5. And my argument is that if you're going to say something like, "standrds have won", then you need to answer the question, "well, how representative is your standards body, really?"
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2028. # [19:33] <froydnj> RyanVM|shamanduty: so I have bug 938612 running on try, but I might as well just push it to m-i straightaway, right? (fixes memory leak, tree is closed anyway...)
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2030. # [19:34] <edburns> bz: thanks for your input.
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2032. # [19:34] <edburns> I also like to remind people that mozilla.org invented continuous integration at least six years before the term was invented.
2033. # [19:34] <RyanVM|shamanduty> froydnj: how far along is the Try push?
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2035. # [19:34] <froydnj> RyanVM|shamanduty: still building (linux64, win32), builds locally
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2037. # [19:35] <froydnj> ideally it will run mochitests
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2041. # [19:36] <froydnj> the mathematicians invented it way before that
2042. # [19:36] <philor> jwatt: above my pay grade, I don't even know who bmoss is
2043. # [19:36] <RyanVM|shamanduty> froydnj: if you're reasonably sure it won't burn, go for it
2044. # [19:36] <RyanVM|shamanduty> can't hurt
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2047. # [19:37] <mccr8> RyanVM|shamanduty: "can't hurt?" are you really sufficiently cynical to be a sherriff? ;)
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2049. # [19:37] <RyanVM|shamanduty> yin and yang and all :P
2050. # [19:38] <reuben> froydnj: hah
2051. # [19:39] <RyanVM|shamanduty> mccr8: i'm working a half-day today and only started about an hour ago, so I haven't been on long enough to get sufficiently angry yet :P
2052. # [19:39] <mccr8> ha.
2053. # [19:39] * philor tries to parse that sentence
2054. # [19:39] <froydnj> RyanVM|shamanduty: what, you're not always angry, hulk-style?
2055. # [19:40] <@bz> edburns: no problem
2056. # [19:40] <philor> oh, *that's* what I didn't get, the concept of some happytime
2057. # [19:40] <RyanVM|shamanduty> froydnj: it just doesn't have the same effect if people are used to it
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2095. # [19:59] <froydnj> argh, more exceptions from running mochitests locally
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2101. # [20:01] <gozala> gavin: is tabbrowser.xml fall’s under your component ?
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2110. # [20:02] <@gavin> gozala: yes
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2113. # [20:02] <gozala> gavin: I’d like to talk to you about bug 843901
2114. # [20:02] <@gavin> saw that bug earlier
2115. # [20:02] <@gavin> in a meeting now
2116. # [20:03] <@gavin> let's chat in lets say 30 minutes?
2117. # [20:03] <smacleod> Yoric: ping
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2119. # [20:04] <gozala> gavin: sounds good
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2128. # [20:06] <@ehsan> who's working on reopening the tree?
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2130. # [20:07] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> mccr8, froydnj, ...?
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2132. # [20:07] <Ms2ger> And now ehsan...
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2135. # [20:08] <@ehsan> what's our criteria for reopening the tree here?
2136. # [20:08] <@ehsan> mccr8: froydnj: ^
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2142. # [20:11] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> ehsan: i think things are still gated on figuring where the problem actually lies
2143. # [20:11] <@ehsan> and are we ok with potentially keeping the tree closed indefinitely while people do that?
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2145. # [20:12] * philor watches as mozapps/extensions/ gets shoved up against the wall
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2148. # [20:12] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> ehsan: we can always take the "disable our way to victory" approach too
2149. # [20:13] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> we're also discussing getting the browser-chrome chunking enabled
2150. # [20:13] <@ehsan> RyanVM|sheriffduty: but I thought that the failures have already been cleared from the tree?
2151. # [20:13] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> the patch that made things worse was backed out
2152. # [20:13] <@ehsan> yes, I saw that
2153. # [20:13] <@ehsan> which is why I asked on the bug whether we can reopen
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2155. # [20:14] <@bsmedberg> ted: ping re MDSW "ProcessState"
2156. # [20:15] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> ehsan: the concern as I understand it is that we'll just be back at the "one patch pushing us over the edge with no clue when" situation we've been in for awhile now.
2157. # [20:15] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> and new failures being blamed on OOM, etc
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2159. # [20:16] <@ehsan> sigh
2160. # [20:17] <Yoric> smacleod: semi-pong
2161. # [20:17] <@ehsan> ok
2162. # [20:17] * @ehsan will check back next week to land stuff
2163. # [20:17] * bjacob_ should take PTO until the tree reopens
2164. # [20:17] <smacleod> Yoric: just wanted to chat with you about a possible hickup with the crash monitor. No rush, ping me when you have a minute
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2166. # [20:17] <@bsmedberg> Do we think that the patches in question were actually just pushing us over the edge?
2167. # [20:18] <@bsmedberg> I thought they were changes to the GC scheduler which could dramatically change highwater marks
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2169. # [20:18] <Yoric> What's OOMing? Compilation or execution?
2170. # [20:19] <Yoric> smacleod: I'll try and ping you later, then.
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2172. # [20:19] <bjacob_> Yoric: exec
2173. # [20:19] <smacleod> Sure, sounds good
2174. # [20:19] <Yoric> bjacob_: That doesn't sound good.
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2176. # [20:19] <bjacob_> Yoric: ah? i thought that OOM sounded good!
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2183. # [20:20] <@ehsan> bsmedberg: given my best attempts at understanding things, I don't think anybody has any clear idea on what exactly we should be blaming
2184. # [20:20] <@ehsan> which to me means an indefinite tree closure
2185. # [20:21] <philor> or declaring that we are no longer capable of understanding our platform, that's also an option
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2187. # [20:22] <@ehsan> philor: it's not about being capable of understanding our platform, it's about not knowing what our exact goal is in that bug
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2189. # [20:23] <philor> ehsan: well, my exact goal was "don't require that we forceGC at every on/off switch of debugging mode to not OOM during browser-chrome"
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2191. # [20:24] <@ehsan> philor: yeah, we shouldn't need to do that, I agree
2192. # [20:24] <philor> but because we don't understand our platform, we have absolutely no idea, none whatsoever, why we OOM at all, so we cannot fix the fact that we require a sacrifice to the gods of one forceGC per toggle of debugging mode
2193. # [20:24] <@ehsan> but my question is, do we know that those late GCs are the root cause of the problem here?
2194. # [20:24] <@ehsan> right
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2197. # [20:24] <philor> dunno
2198. # [20:24] <philor> we don't know
2199. # [20:24] <philor> no idea
2200. # [20:25] <philor> the magic smoke was in there, and then it wasn't in there
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2202. # [20:25] <philor> the blinkenlights stopped
2203. # [20:25] <@ehsan> :(
2204. # [20:25] <philor> exactly
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2206. # [20:26] <philor> toolkit/mozapps/extensions/ shows that we are OOM during browser-chrome
2207. # [20:26] <philor> we could not start them up in a state where we are nearly OOM already
2208. # [20:26] <philor> or we could not start them up at all
2209. # [20:26] <philor> no tests, no OOM
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2213. # [20:27] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> imptests, dom-level*, anything webgl, devtools
2214. # [20:28] * RyanVM|sheriffduty is thinking about a try push with all the above disabled
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2216. # [20:28] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> bent: b-i orange
2217. # [20:28] <kaie> what's the right bugzilla component for bugs in storage/src/Makefile.in ?
2218. # [20:28] <kaie> moz-storage
2219. # [20:29] <bent> RyanVM|sheriffduty, i already backed it out
2220. # [20:29] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> kaie: Toolkit::Storage ?
2221. # [20:29] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> bent: thx
2222. # [20:29] <kaie> RyanVM|sheriffduty, thx
2223. # [20:29] <mbrubeck> kaie: or Core : Build Config
2224. # [20:29] <kaie> I'll use storage, thx
2225. # [20:29] <jld> Oh. b-i is open, but m-i is closed. Well that's... something.
2226. # [20:30] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> jld: b2g/android aren't affected by these issues
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2228. # [20:31] <jwatt> can someone who knows the harness scripts add a switch so we can do runs that printf memory use stats before and after each test is run?
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2236. # [20:34] <froydnj> bent: ping
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2239. # [20:36] <bent> froydnj, mtg, back in a bit
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2242. # [20:39] <philor> jwatt: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=30559239&full=1&branch=try, you're looking for "+++++++ RESIDENT"
2243. # [20:40] <grobinson> are there any firefox toolkit peers available to review bug 932116 ?
2244. # [20:40] <philor> amusingly heisenbuggy, it hasn't yet managed to OOM
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2270. # [20:55] <@ted> bsmedberg: sorry, been in a brainstorming session, is this quick or can i ping you back after i have lunch>
2271. # [20:55] <@bsmedberg> ted: actually figured part of it out. Now just trying to build minidump-stackwalk
2272. # [20:55] <@bsmedberg> probably not super-quick, though :-(
2273. # [20:55] <froydnj> jchen: sorry for the bogus comments I've been making in reviews, haven't been reading quite carefully enough
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2275. # [20:55] <@ted> bsmedberg: okay
2276. # [20:55] <@ted> bsmedberg: rhelmer might be able to help you
2277. # [20:56] <@ted> bsmedberg: i'll be back after lunch
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2281. # [20:58] <jchen> froydnj: no worries :) it's not like i'm rushing to land this :)
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2290. # [21:02] <rhelmer> bsmedberg: having trouble building mdsw?
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2292. # [21:03] <@bsmedberg> rhelmer: lonnen got me straightened out. It wasn't clear that we were "make install"ing google-breakpad before the socorro build
2293. # [21:03] <rhelmer> cool
2294. # [21:04] <rhelmer> bsmedberg: yeah we have a separate jenkins job that builds it only when google-breakpad svn changes
2295. # [21:05] <rhelmer> it gets packaged and socorro downloads the package, the new stackwalker (mdsw with json output) that ted wrote is build in the socorro job though
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2301. # [21:06] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> botond: b-i bustage
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2303. # [21:07] <botond> RyanVM|sheriffduty: yeah, sorry about that. i just realized it
2304. # [21:07] <botond> RyanVM|sheriffduty: is there anything i need to do to cancel the push?
2305. # [21:07] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> botond: you'll need to add a CLOSED TREE to your fix/backout
2306. # [21:07] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> i can cancel all the jobs
2307. # [21:08] <botond> RyanVM|sheriffduty: so, i need to push a patch that will go on top of the busted one, as opposed to one that will replace it?
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2309. # [21:08] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> botond: yep
2310. # [21:08] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> or backout and reland
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2312. # [21:09] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> whatever's easier for you
2313. # [21:09] <botond> RyanVM|sheriffduty: i'll push a fix
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2317. # [21:13] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/f29af144b651 - Nathan Froyd - Bug 938612 - ensure the image buffers for canvases are freed; r=smaug
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2320. # [21:14] <botond> RyanVM|sheriffduty: pushed. hope i did i right. sorry again
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2339. # [21:18] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> bz: is the PR for bug 937474 good to go?
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2342. # [21:19] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> bz: I see a comment in the bug about a messed up commit message?
2343. # [21:19] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> bz: and in the future, checkin-needed works just fine for Gaia PRs :)
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2346. # [21:22] <@bz> RyanVM|sheriffduty: So the code is fine
2347. # [21:22] <@bz> RyanVM|sheriffduty: the commit message, I don't know
2348. # [21:22] <@bz> RyanVM|sheriffduty: maybe it's just github being buggy?
2349. # [21:22] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> say yes and I'll push
2350. # [21:22] <@bz> https://github.com/mozilla-b2g/gaia/pull/13605
2351. # [21:22] <@bz> The r=s...
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2353. # [21:23] <@bz> and ...icking part
2354. # [21:23] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> yep, I'm waiting to click the button
2355. # [21:23] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> meh, its' in the bug
2356. # [21:23] <@bz> OK
2357. # [21:23] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> merged
2358. # [21:23] <@bz> The commit message in the bug is quite correct
2359. # [21:23] <@bz> Thank you !
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2361. # [21:24] <@bz> how did nfroydnj check in on closed tree?
2362. # [21:24] * @bz is impressed
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2365. # [21:24] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> extra lines
2366. # [21:25] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> bz: all teh cool kids put CLOSED TREE on another line :P
2367. # [21:25] <@smaug> froydnj can do some magic
2368. # [21:25] <@smaug> (or just type CLOSED TREE)
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2370. # [21:25] <@bz> but...
2371. # [21:25] <@bz> but then you can't cleverly work it into the commit message
2372. # [21:25] <@bz> That's no fun
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2374. # [21:25] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> lol
2375. # [21:26] <Optimizer> is it known that ./mach build toolkit.* never builds ?
2376. # [21:26] <froydnj> I couldn't think of clever things to say this time
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2378. # [21:26] <@bz> froydnj: ;)
2379. # [21:27] <@bz> How about "ensure the image buffers for canvases are freed so we can stop having a CLOSED TREE" ?
2380. # [21:27] <@bz> anyway
2381. # [21:28] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> bjacob: It all comes back to spohl's cursed patch!
2382. # [21:28] <Optimizer> so the *main* issue for oom was image buffer for canvas ?
2383. # [21:28] <KaiRo> not everyone has as much magic and creativity as bz ;-)
2384. # [21:28] <@bz> The main issue for OOM was lack of sufficent M
2385. # [21:28] <@bz> I would think.
2386. # [21:28] <bjacob_> RyanVM|sheriffduty: i cc'd reviewers; the responsibility is on reviewers more than on patch authors!
2387. # [21:28] <@bz> Or more likely address space
2388. # [21:28] <Optimizer> 3 gb windows
2389. # [21:28] <Optimizer> is max
2390. # [21:28] <KaiRo> MMMMM
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2392. # [21:29] <Optimizer> anyways, any help with mach build ?
2393. # [21:29] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> bjacob_: hey, that patch has plenty enough history for a little spohl ribbing :P
2394. # [21:29] <froydnj> so under the current js gc regime
2395. # [21:29] <@bz> froydnj: we need to backport this to aurora, right?
2396. # [21:29] <bjacob_> RyanVM|sheriffduty: oh, i had no idea about history, i came there all naive and unspoiled
2397. # [21:29] <froydnj> js does *not* gc out JSObjects from under C++, yes?
2398. # [21:29] <froydnj> bz: yes we do
2399. # [21:29] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> bjacob_: i forget offhand how many landing attempts it had before finally sticking
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2401. # [21:30] <Ms2ger> froydnj, that's the goal
2402. # [21:30] <froydnj> I will put up a separate patch for aurora, since I rolled those two patches together
2403. # [21:30] <froydnj> hm
2404. # [21:30] <bjacob_> RyanVM|sheriffduty: is there hope atm that this could fix all the OOMs that are keeping the tree closed?
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2407. # [21:31] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> fwiw, I think that given this is our second tree closure in the last few weeks for OOM, having better ways of measuring memory usage while running should be a big near-term goal
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2409. # [21:31] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> bjacob_: no clue
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2413. # [21:32] <@bz> froydnj: define "gc out JSObjects from under C++"?
2414. # [21:33] <@bz> froydnj: right this moment we still have a stack scanner
2415. # [21:33] <KaiRo> dmajor and bsmedberg are starting to look into OOM as well, FWIW (investigating crashes that lack a minidump, mostly because of some kind of OOM - often only out of virtual memory but not physical memory, apparently)
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2417. # [21:33] <@bz> froydnj: If that's what you mean
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2419. # [21:34] <@bsmedberg> bz: the main issue for in-the-wild OOM does not appear to be lack of memory
2420. # [21:34] <KaiRo> RyanVM|sheriffduty: were those tree-closing OOM issues one-offs or likely aggrevations of existing near-OOM situations?
2421. # [21:34] <froydnj> bz: we actually scan the C stack looking for pointers? ugh
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2424. # [21:35] <Ms2ger> froydnj, yeah, do you know how hard exact rooting is in C?
2425. # [21:35] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> KaiRo: current theory is the latter, hence the ongoing closure until it's better understood what's going on
2426. # [21:35] <froydnj> in fact I have a pretty good idea
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2429. # [21:35] <Ms2ger> froydnj, well, that's why :)
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2432. # [21:36] <KaiRo> RyanVM|sheriffduty: ok, if it's existing issues, then what bsmedberg / dmajor are looking into could play into this - they've been starting off from high looking-like-OOM crash numbers on release
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2434. # [21:36] <@bsmedberg> especially if it's graphics-related
2435. # [21:36] <@gavin> gozala: sorry, I got distracted. still want to discuss the tabs bug?
2436. # [21:38] <@bz> froydnj: yes
2437. # [21:38] <@bz> froydnj: that's how the conservative GC works
2438. # [21:38] <@bz> froydnj: scans registers and stack
2439. # [21:38] <@bz> bsmedberg: sure
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2442. # [21:38] <@bz> bsmedberg: My comments about OOM were mostly a joke. ;)
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2472. # [21:49] <Ms2ger> philikon, ping
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2483. # [21:54] <kats> is there a way to tell if the mouse is over a scrollbar vs over content?
2484. # [21:55] <kats> or rather if a particular coordinate is on a scrollbar vs content?
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2489. # [21:55] <kats> actually never mind i think i know how to do it
2490. # [21:56] <@smaug> kats: check event.originalTarget?
2491. # [21:56] <mbrubeck> kats: Keeping in mind that Metro scrollbars are overlaid above content...
2492. # [21:56] <benvie> at some point (in the not too distant future?) we'll be switching over to a moving gc, at which point objects that aren't handlefied can be gced out from under C++
2493. # [21:56] <kats> smaug: would the originalTarget be different from the target? the target of the event ends up being the document element
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2495. # [21:56] <@smaug> originalTarget would be something like xul:scrollbar
2496. # [21:57] <@smaug> only chrome code can access originalTarget
2497. # [21:57] <kats> smaug: oh that should make it pretty easy then
2498. # [21:57] <kats> cool, thanks
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2501. # [21:58] <kats> mbrubeck: not the "precise" input scrollbars though, right?
2502. # [21:58] <kats> those are just regular XUL scrollbars
2503. # [21:58] <mbrubeck> They are overlaid (-moz-overlay-scrollbar)
2504. # [21:58] <mbrubeck> still, originalTarget should work
2505. # [21:58] <mbrubeck> s/scrollbar/scrollbars/
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2522. # [22:10] <gozala> gavin: sorry I was out for lunch
2523. # [22:11] <gozala> but yes if you have time now, I’d like to
2524. # [22:11] <gozala> are you in SF by a chance ?
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2534. # [22:13] <@gavin> gozala: no, toronto
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2537. # [22:15] <gozala> gavin: ok is it a good time now ?
2538. # [22:15] <@gavin> sure
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2540. # [22:16] <gozala> ok so, I actually talked about this idea with ttaubert when he was SF
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2544. # [22:16] * ttaubert was SF
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2546. # [22:16] <gkw> sewardj: ping about https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=914511
2547. # [22:16] <gozala> in SF :)
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2549. # [22:16] <ttaubert> :)
2550. # [22:16] <gozala> idea was to expose observer notifications for things that SDK needs to chase right now
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2552. # [22:16] <gozala> so for example use of tabs API now implies use of windows API too
2553. # [22:17] <@bz> gps: ping
2554. # [22:17] <gps> bz: (autoresponse) content-free ping detected. Please consider providing some additional context so I can address your questions more efficiently.
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2557. # [22:17] <@bz> gps: trying to understand your patches
2558. # [22:17] <gozala> as we need to observe each window opened than listen it to be DOMContentLoaded
2559. # [22:17] <gozala> and finally listen for tab events
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2561. # [22:17] <shu> gps: i find that auto response is pretty annoying
2562. # [22:17] <gozala> and aggregate all the tab events together to expose them to add-ons
2563. # [22:17] <@gavin> gozala: are you talking about the use by consumers of the SDK, or about the SDK implementation?
2564. # [22:18] <gozala> gavin: also this approach implies every add-on does it
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2566. # [22:18] <froydnj> is the embedding/browser/ stuff actually used for firefox?
2567. # [22:18] <Ms2ger> ttaubert, you were SF? Must be quite the hipster :)
2568. # [22:18] <gozala> gavin: so SDK does all of this to let consumer of SDK to just do tabs.on(“open”, …)
2569. # [22:18] <@gavin> froydnj: apparently some of it is used for e10s? *handwave*
2570. # [22:18] <ttaubert> Ms2ger: yeah, I had no idea
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2573. # [22:19] <gozala> and there’s also timing issues, since add-ons load and unload at different points in time
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2576. # [22:19] <gozala> gavin: so by exposing these events through observer service
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2578. # [22:19] <froydnj> gavin: uh. hm, ok
2579. # [22:19] <gozala> we can avoid all of these overhead and just listen to tab notifications
2580. # [22:20] <gozala> and even avoid any window dependencies
2581. # [22:20] <ttaubert> gozala: so remind me, which events were that?
2582. # [22:20] <gozala> so overall it should be better for performance and a lot simpler too
2583. # [22:20] <@gavin> I don't really understand what you mean by the "window dependency" stuff
2584. # [22:20] <@gavin> I understand that it would be simpler for what you're doing
2585. # [22:21] <gozala> ttaubert: I just did all of them, patch is here: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=843901
2586. # [22:21] <gozala> gavin: so sdk has bunch of code for dealing with windows
2587. # [22:21] <gozala> tabs code depends on it
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2589. # [22:21] <gozala> since only way to get tab events is to deal with windows and register tab listeners there
2590. # [22:22] <gozala> meaning that code dealing with tabs needs to deal with windows as well
2591. # [22:22] <@gavin> why is that a problem in itself?
2592. # [22:22] <@gavin> (I understand that it's a problem that it's complicated, but the dependency itself seems not problematic)
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2594. # [22:22] <gozala> gavin: I guess it’s not a problem, but makes changes harder because of dependencies
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2596. # [22:22] <gozala> also introduces overhead
2597. # [22:22] <@gavin> ok
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2600. # [22:23] <gozala> my point is if every SDK add-on has to do register 3 event listeners at diff points in time just to get TabOpen
2601. # [22:24] <@gavin> I thought you were saying that the tabs API makes that unnecessary
2602. # [22:24] <gozala> I think it’s worth just exposing TabOpen such that add-on can listen to it without those additional steps
2603. # [22:24] <@gavin> and that its only the tabs API implementation that is complicated as a result
2604. # [22:25] <gozala> gavin: well there is more details that I discarded, here
2605. # [22:25] <gozala> which I can explain if you want
2606. # [22:26] <@gavin> sure
2607. # [22:26] <gozala> but I was hoping that reducing three listeners to 1 per add-on was compelling enough
2608. # [22:26] <@gavin> well, it matters what we're talking about
2609. # [22:26] <@gavin> neither dao nor I seem to understand why this affects addons directly
2610. # [22:26] <gozala> gavin: also not that this won’t only help SDK but all add-ons
2611. # [22:27] <gozala> gavin: ok let’s suppose add-on needs to do something on every open tab
2612. # [22:27] <gozala> current way to do it is
2613. # [22:27] <gozala> add domwindowopened observer notification
2614. # [22:27] <gozala> than in that notification add event listener for DOMContentLoaded
2615. # [22:27] <gozala> than what that one is fired add TabOpen event listener on tabBrowser
2616. # [22:28] * spohl|afk is now known as spohl
2617. # [22:28] <spohl> RyanVM|sheriffduty: oh come on, guys! ;-)
2618. # [22:28] <@gavin> I thought you said addons could just use tabs.on(“open”, …)
2619. # [22:28] <gozala> gavin: I’m talking on non SDK add-ons now
2620. # [22:28] <gozala> many steps all async and very easy to introduce bugs caused by timing
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2622. # [22:29] <gozala> I know because we keep hunting those down every once in a while
2623. # [22:29] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> spohl: I can beat this dead horse all day!
2624. # [22:29] <gozala> also easy to leak on of the things you didn’t inteded
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2626. # [22:29] <@gavin> why wouldn't we recommend that people use the SDK instead of rolling their own?
2627. # [22:29] <gozala> so I want to do is
2628. # [22:29] <gozala> observerServiece.addObserver(myObserver, “tab-open”, false);
2629. # [22:30] <spohl> RyanVM|sheriffduty: yeah… I don't know what to say…
2630. # [22:30] <gozala> and that should be it
2631. # [22:30] <@gavin> I understand that; but I don't understand why you think addons should do that instead of using tabs.on(“open”, …)
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2633. # [22:30] <gozala> gavin: sdk add-ons will still do tabs.on(“open”, …)
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2635. # [22:30] <@gavin> why are you drawing a distinction between "sdk add-ons" and other addons?
2636. # [22:31] <@gavin> isn't the goal for all addons to be "sdk addons"?
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2638. # [22:31] <@gavin> (not by force, but at least by incentive since the API should be "nicer")
2639. # [22:31] <WeirdAl> XUL will never die! :)
2640. # [22:31] <gozala> gavin: sure, but given reality they’re not
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2643. # [22:32] <@gavin> gozala: you're suggesting that someone move from the complicated domwindowloaded/addEventListener dance to using addObserver("tab-open")
2644. # [22:32] <@gavin> gozala: why would they do that instead of using tabs.on(“open”, …)?
2645. # [22:32] <gozala> gavin: Either way I think we’re shifting a subject a little
2646. # [22:33] <gozala> gavin: I’m trying to lift complex SDK code to platform that won’t have to deal with that complexity
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2648. # [22:33] <gozala> which in my view has several advantages
2649. # [22:33] <@gavin> I think seeing SDK code and "platform" as distinct is a problem
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2651. # [22:33] <gozala> if we ignore all others, it would just make sense for SDK to uplift common code path
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2656. # [22:34] <gozala> gavin: SDK modules are not shared across add-ons
2657. # [22:34] <gozala> they are loaded per each add-on
2658. # [22:34] <gozala> which means every add-on does register it’s own listeners etc..
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2660. # [22:35] <gozala> by uplifting to platform I mean making that code shared
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2667. # [22:37] <gozala> gavin: if you think dispatching observer notifications from tab browser itself is wrong
2668. # [22:37] <gozala> I can do what SDK does now by making that code shared between add-ons
2669. # [22:37] <@gavin> well, it's not wrong, but it has some risks
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2671. # [22:37] <@gavin> and trying to limit those risks where possible makes sense
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2673. # [22:38] <gozala> gavin: I understand that
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2675. # [22:38] <gozala> it’s just feels wrong to collect all these events from some other script just to expose observer notifications
2676. # [22:39] <gozala> rather than dispatching them from the source itself
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2678. # [22:39] <gozala> but if you think later is better option, I can understand
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2680. # [22:39] <gozala> I meant former
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2683. # [22:40] <gozala> gavin: BTW there also one more detail
2684. # [22:40] <gozala> because SDK loads it’s modules per add-on that also means we can just dispatch observer notifications
2685. # [22:40] <gozala> as each add-on will duplicate them
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2688. # [22:40] <gozala> so essentially we create our internal event bus
2689. # [22:40] <bent> dmajor, ping
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2691. # [22:41] <gozala> so I’d like to leverage observer service instead of reinventing it per add-on
2692. # [22:41] <dmajor> bent: pong
2693. # [22:41] <bent> dmajor, hey, my local debug build is dying here: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/browser/app/nsBrowserApp.cpp#613
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2695. # [22:41] <dmajor> ooh!
2696. # [22:41] <gozala> gavin: I was also talking to jet about doing similar notifications for DOMContentLoaded and window load events
2697. # [22:42] <bent> dmajor, what do i do?
2698. # [22:42] <gozala> for exact same rasons
2699. # [22:42] <dmajor> bent: let's try to figure out why you have user32 loaded
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2701. # [22:43] <dmajor> bent: this is firefox.exe, right?
2702. # [22:43] <bent> yep
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2704. # [22:43] <@gavin> gozala: why does the SDK load its modules per-addon? and is that going to change?
2705. # [22:43] <bent> dmajor, is there a way to get vstudio to break on module loads?
2706. # [22:43] <bent> {,,user32.dll}DllMain doesn't work
2707. # [22:43] <dmajor> bent: I dunno about VS, with windbg it's "sxe ld user32"
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2709. # [22:44] <gozala> gavin: there are many different reasons some of them are legacy
2710. # [22:44] <dmajor> and the actual module load is more interesting than the Main function anyway
2711. # [22:44] <gozala> gavin: and maybe it will change at some point, but it’s a big change
2712. # [22:44] <gozala> and it’s not on roadmap yet
2713. # [22:44] <dmajor> bent: the easiest way might be to open up your firefox.exe using depends (dependencywalker.com) and see what function it's importing from user32
2714. # [22:44] <gozala> gavin: also doing so has certain advantages too
2715. # [22:44] <@njn> nrc: excellent news re Bug 915940
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2717. # [22:45] <gozala> gavin: since sdk was originally bundled with add-ons it’s easy to imagine why most of the code is written with those assumptions in mind
2718. # [22:45] <nrc> njn: yes :-) JUst need inbound to happen so I can land it before the PGO non-determinism swings back around and out of our favour
2719. # [22:46] <WeirdAl> -- is nsIDownloader deprecated for FF26?
2720. # [22:46] <@ted> do not anger the PGO gods
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2722. # [22:46] <bent> dmajor, it's not in the depends lists
2723. # [22:46] <gozala> gavin: there was also other security considerations related to sharing objects between different add-ons
2724. # [22:46] <dmajor> fun :-|
2725. # [22:46] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> nrc: would bug 915940 help diagnose the current issues keeping the tree closed?
2726. # [22:47] <@bsmedberg> froydnj: currently NS_ERROR_INVALID_ARG and NS_ERROR_INVALID_POINTER are different error codes
2727. # [22:47] <nrc> RyanVM|sheriffduty: maybe, it certainly reports on gfx memory which was previously unreported, but whether that memory is what is what is causing the OOM, I don't know
2728. # [22:48] <@bsmedberg> froydnj: which seems kinda silly, and makes my rewriting of NS_ENSURE_ARG and NS_ENSURE_ARG_POINTER trickier
2729. # [22:48] <dmajor> bent: do you have windbg around?
2730. # [22:48] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> mccr8: froydnj: do you think bug 915940 would help you out?
2731. # [22:48] <@bsmedberg> do you think it would be ok to make them the same value so they can be used interchangeably?
2732. # [22:48] <bent> dmajor, yep, so i typed 'sxe ld user32' in
2733. # [22:48] <WeirdAl> I left a comment for myself to rewrite some code that was using the downloader for FF26
2734. # [22:48] <bent> dmajor, and i think i've broken at the spot
2735. # [22:49] <gozala> gavin: I’m happy to revisit those decisions and consider future with shared SDK core, but I’d rather not block this by that
2736. # [22:49] <bent> dmajor, https://pastebin.mozilla.org/3604833 maybe
2737. # [22:49] <froydnj> bsmedberg: and just call it NS_ERROR_INVALID_ARG?
2738. # [22:50] <@gavin> I'm not looking to block anything, but understanding the global approach to this stuff is useful
2739. # [22:50] <gozala> gavin: oh and also I intend to submit similar patch for fennec
2740. # [22:50] <gozala> so it’s a way for us to avoid bunch of different code paths per flatfrom
2741. # [22:50] <gozala> *platform
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2743. # [22:51] <@bsmedberg> froydnj: I was going to keep both names, actually
2744. # [22:51] <@bsmedberg> just make them the same value
2745. # [22:51] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> nrc: I'm going to push bug 915940 along with another patch to inbound if that's alright with you
2746. # [22:51] <@bsmedberg> JS callers might depend on both names
2747. # [22:51] <froydnj> ah, yes
2748. # [22:52] <gozala> gavin: honestly I don’t mind doing it different way, which is doing through the shared listeners etc..
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2750. # [22:52] <nrc> RyanVM|sheriffduty: I have a rebased version
2751. # [22:52] <nrc> it doesn't apply as is
2752. # [22:52] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> ok, push away then :)
2753. # [22:52] <nrc> ok
2754. # [22:52] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> thanks :)
2755. # [22:52] <gozala> actully Mossop suggested it would make more sense to dispatch notifications straight where they occur
2756. # [22:52] <froydnj> bsmedberg: how does it make things trickier?
2757. # [22:52] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/594b69bb0ac3 - Peter Van der Beken - Bug 935786 - Assertion failure: !IsInnerWindow() || IsCurrentInnerWindow() at nsGlobalWindow.cpp:8909. r=smaug
2758. # [22:52] <dmajor> bent: might be easier with a 32-bit windbg if you have one around -- otherwise you can try |.effmach x86| but it gets yucky
2759. # [22:52] <gozala> rather than doing it from the outside
2760. # [22:52] <gozala> which I agreed made more senes
2761. # [22:53] <gozala> sense
2762. # [22:53] <@bsmedberg> froydnj: it just means that I have to rewrite NS_ENSURE_ARG and NS_ENSURE_ARG_POINTER separately, which my emacs macros weren't designed to do
2763. # [22:53] <bent> ok
2764. # [22:53] <@bsmedberg> and also, it annoys me that they are different
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2768. # [22:54] <bent> dmajor, https://pastebin.mozilla.org/3604848
2769. # [22:54] <froydnj> bsmedberg: making them the same value WFM
2770. # [22:54] <@bsmedberg> ok cool
2771. # [22:54] <froydnj> judging from in-tree usage, NS_ERROR_INVALID_POINTER people are a definite minority
2772. # [22:54] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/d90adcd9929f - Nicholas Cameron - Bug 915940. Memory reporter for memory image surfaces. r=njn,mattwoodrow This might even help diagnose the problems causing a CLOSED TREE.
2773. # [22:54] <gozala> gavin: if you think it’s better to do it from the outside, I don’t mind as long as at the end of the day we end up with observerservice.addObserver(tabObserver, “tab-open”)
2774. # [22:55] <@gavin> gozala: what do you mean "from the outside"?
2775. # [22:56] <dmajor> bent: hmm, apphelp... I wonder why that's in your process
2776. # [22:56] <@bsmedberg> blech, observer service
2777. # [22:56] <gozala> gavin: putting all that domwindowloaded DOMContentLoaded, TabOpen windows
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2779. # [22:56] <gozala> into some jsm maybe browser glue or whatever seems appropriate
2780. # [22:56] <bent> dmajor, it doesn't show in the depends view either
2781. # [22:56] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> man, I've got one heck of a landing queue for inbound and fx-team when they reopen
2782. # [22:56] <gozala> something that loads with browser
2783. # [22:56] <gozala> and not with add-ons
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2785. # [22:57] <dmajor> bent: do you have any compat flags on your exe, like run as admin, or run in xp compat mode etc?
2786. # [22:57] <@roc> nrc: thanks!
2787. # [22:57] <bent> dmajor, no
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2793. # [23:00] <bent> dmajor, here's where apphelp gets loaded: https://pastebin.mozilla.org/3604869
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2807. # [23:07] <gozala> gavin: so how can we move forward ?
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2810. # [23:09] <KWierso> nrc: bustage :\
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2813. # [23:09] <@bz> KWierso: It's ok, tree is closed.
2814. # [23:10] <dmajor> bent: for some reason NT thinks it needs to load the compat shim engine. I'm still trying to figure out why. I can only reproduce this if I set compat flags on my exe.
2815. # [23:10] <nrc> KWierso: that was quick
2816. # [23:10] <nrc> looking...
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2818. # [23:10] <@gavin> gozala: sketching out your alternative solution in the form of a patch might be useful
2819. # [23:11] <nrc> fix coming up...
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2821. # [23:11] <bent> dmajor, odd. those flags are definitely not set on the exe
2822. # [23:11] <gozala> gavin: do you mean just to illustrate or to actually prepare patch ?
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2825. # [23:11] <gozala> I can easily write up gist showing how it will look more or less
2826. # [23:12] <@gavin> gozala: sure
2827. # [23:12] <dmajor> bent: any gflags maybe?
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2829. # [23:13] <bent> dmajor: just 'disable paging of kernel stacks'
2830. # [23:13] <dmajor> or appverifier? any other utilities of that nature?
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2833. # [23:13] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/77302975dfd2 - Nicholas Cameron - Fix bustage from bug 915940 on a CLOSED TREE. r=me
2834. # [23:14] <bent> dmajor, i have emet installed...
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2838. # [23:15] <dmajor> bent: I think that's it, from a quick poke at google
2839. # [23:15] <ckerschb> hurley: ping
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2842. # [23:17] <mccr8> nrc: so, with your patch, is that going to include the raw memory stuff in the RSS numbers that about:memory reports that wouldn't have been included there before? or is this more about reducing heap-unclassified?
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2844. # [23:17] <bent> dmajor, hrm
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2847. # [23:17] <bent> dmajor, i don't know how to disable this
2848. # [23:18] <bent> dmajor, it's not set to load anything in my local firefox builds
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2851. # [23:18] <mccr8> hmm, looks like it is adding a new reporter and thus decreasing heap-unclassified rather than increasing rss orsomething, okay
2852. # [23:18] <nrc> mccr8: not sure what the RSS numbers are, sorry. But it reduces heap-unclassified and reports that as gfx ememory
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2856. # [23:19] <mccr8> nrc: thanks! I just meant the total amount of memory that the system thinks it has allocated. but if this is memory allocated by the usual new and free then it shouldn't affect the RSS we report
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2858. # [23:20] <bent> dmajor, emet.dll definitely needs user32.dll
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2868. # [23:23] <bent> dmajor, sorry, but i have to run soon, so i'm just going to comment out the assertion i guess?
2869. # [23:23] <dmajor> bent: yeah, meanwhile I'll keep poking at this
2870. # [23:24] <bent> dmajor, ok, thanks
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2874. # [23:24] <bent> dmajor, i imagine very few people have emet installed... but we should be able to run regardless i hope
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2876. # [23:25] <gps> bz: pong
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2878. # [23:26] <dmajor> bent: yeah -- I guess we could do the assert only if you don't have apphelp -- but what kinda bothers me is that this means there is still a way around our blocklist :(
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2880. # [23:27] <bent> yep
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2882. # [23:28] <bent> cc me on anything you find?
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2912. # [23:44] <dmajor> bsmedberg: I've captured a series of full memory dumps over the course of a BC run on a releng slave
2913. # [23:44] <dmajor> bsmedberg: I don't suppose you have a copy of minidump-memorylist already compiled for windows sitting around?
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2918. # [23:46] <dmajor> bsmedberg: hmm actually maybe I can do this with !vadump
2919. # [23:46] <glandium> bsmedberg: so, what are your thoughts on 938437?
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