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24. # [00:11] <nalexander> sfink: can |hg bzexport| attach multiple revs to a bug? I can't figure out how to make it work.
25. # [00:11] <sfink> nalexander: you mean multiple patches?
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27. # [00:11] <nalexander> sfink: patches, I guess. I'm not using mq, so they're hg revs, but yes.
28. # [00:12] <sfink> nalexander: it cannot do multiple patches at once. At best, it has a --number option to help with naming them one at a time.
29. # [00:12] <nalexander> sfink: well, that explains why I can't make it work :)
30. # [00:12] <sfink> nalexander: and no, they're patches. :-) mq or not, what ends up getting attached is a patch.
31. # [00:12] <nalexander> sfink: right.
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33. # [00:13] <sfink> I always use it with mq, so the mq-less operation may not be as smooth. gps'll fix it.
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52. # [00:23] <decoder> RyanVM|afk: pong
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54. # [00:25] <shu> decoder: hi, we had ASAN questions
55. # [00:25] <decoder> shoot
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57. # [00:25] <shu> decoder: do you know what the RSS of ASan builds are supposed to look like?
58. # [00:26] <decoder> RSS is reserved virtual?
59. # [00:26] <shu> decoder: with my debugger GC patch, i have an instrumented build that prints out RSS. (resident set size, the actual memory in use)
60. # [00:26] <shu> decoder: and it looks like it just never goes down: https://pastebin.mozilla.org/3605188
61. # [00:26] <shu> decoder: we OOM at 3 gigs
62. # [00:26] <glandium> ehsan: if you want i have a list of directories that can use unified mode without changes (besides moz.build) if you want
63. # [00:26] <glandium> ehsan: albeit, it's a bit old
64. # [00:26] <@ehsan> glandium: please!
65. # [00:26] <terrence> shu: so a leak?
66. # [00:26] <decoder> shu: can you retry the same thing with this tiny patch? :
67. # [00:27] <decoder> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=7e6d5f51c919
68. # [00:27] <shu> terrence: it's not strictly monotonic, but it doesn't go down by appreciable numbers, maybe only 100 MB or so
69. # [00:27] <shu> terrence: well, according to some ASan paper on google the average memory overhead is 3.37x
70. # [00:27] <decoder> but even that shouldnt make such a big difference
71. # [00:27] <terrence> shu: do you get similar numbers in non-asan?
72. # [00:27] <shu> terrence: and i know we peak at ~1GB RSS in non-ASan
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74. # [00:27] <terrence> shu: okay
75. # [00:28] <decoder> shu: to a certain extent, asan conserves memory. it does not recycle it as fast as non-asan
76. # [00:28] <decoder> and thats intended behavior
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78. # [00:28] <shu> terrence: do i get a similar curve? that's an interesting question
79. # [00:28] <terrence> shu: was wondering if different stack behavior accidentally entrained something, but if 3GB is reasonable
80. # [00:28] <decoder> controlled by the quarantine size
81. # [00:28] <terrence> shu: yes, exactly that
82. # [00:28] <shu> terrence: well i don't know, the paper also showed *wild* variance in mem overhead
83. # [00:28] <shu> terrence: from like 1.02x to 10+x
84. # [00:28] <glandium> ehsan: mmmm so in fact, i have the opposite... an old list of directories that can't without code changes
85. # [00:28] <decoder> shu: you should test if you still oom with that patch
86. # [00:28] <shu> decoder: ok
87. # [00:28] <decoder> shu: i assume it's on try?
88. # [00:28] <terrence> shu: uhg
89. # [00:28] <@ehsan> glandium: that would be helpful too
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91. # [00:29] <shu> terrence: also, what is the # of redzones?
92. # [00:29] <shu> terrence: oops, i meant that for decoder
93. # [00:29] <shu> decoder: ^
94. # [00:29] <shu> decoder: why do we have a much higher # of redzones than the default?
95. # [00:29] <terrence> shu: might be worth seeing if non-asan shrinks back after reaching 1GB
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97. # [00:29] <glandium> ehsan: and you're lucky... i have the exact changeset it is against
98. # [00:29] <decoder> shu: i think the default used to be 128
99. # [00:29] <decoder> did they change that?
100. # [00:29] <shu> terrence: yeah, they do
101. # [00:29] <decoder> thats the size of the redzones
102. # [00:29] <shu> decoder: maybe this page is outdated:http://code.google.com/p/address-sanitizer/wiki/Flags
103. # [00:29] <decoder> between each stack variable
104. # [00:29] <shu> decoder: says 16
105. # [00:29] <@ehsan> glandium: can you give me a blanket r+ for all patches which change SOURCES to UNIFIED_SOURCES and make no other changes?
106. # [00:30] <shu> terrence: final RSS for complete BC runs on non-ASan linux is about 500-600
107. # [00:30] <decoder> shu: hmm.. might have changed. i should adapt our values. maybe omit it
108. # [00:30] <glandium> ehsan: yes
109. # [00:30] <decoder> it used to be static
110. # [00:30] <shu> terrence: we peak around debugger, shadereditor (devtools webgl), and tilt (again, devtools webgl)
111. # [00:30] <terrence> shu: yeah... I don't get the impression any of this is entrained by the gc, sadly
112. # [00:30] <@ehsan> glandium: thanks!
113. # [00:31] <decoder> shu: ill make a try run soon without the redzone parameter and see what happens
114. # [00:31] <shu> decoder: i'm still compiling, i'll first try to get RSS info for without my patches to get a sense of how close we are to the OOM line
115. # [00:31] <terrence> good thought, redzones could be increasing memory pressure tremendously
116. # [00:31] <shu> decoder: then i'll fiddle with the options
117. # [00:31] <gps> nalexander: I just pushed a bzexport patch this morning that honours changing the attachment name
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120. # [00:31] <gps> nalexander: since by default w/o mq the attachment is named '.'
121. # [00:32] <gps> i also filed a bug to make the attachment naming better when mq isn't used
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125. # [00:32] <shu> decoder: once compiled, i don't need to run ./mach mochitest-browser with any special flags or env vars, right?
126. # [00:32] <glandium> ehsan: here's the list: https://pastebin.mozilla.org/3605347 it's against a777fa3031f3 if i am to believe the patch header
127. # [00:32] <shu> decoder: all the ASan stuff is compile time?
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129. # [00:32] <@ehsan> glandium: thanks!
130. # [00:32] <decoder> shu: yes. but that patch I gave you only affects machines with less or equal to 4 GB of memory
131. # [00:33] <glandium> ehsan: note that's for a linux build
132. # [00:33] <nalexander> gps: that's handy. I'm not sure developing bzexport further is the right way to go, though. It's duplicating moz-git-tools attachment stuff; we should try to extract some library from both of them.
133. # [00:33] <@ehsan> yeah I'll run things through try etc
134. # [00:33] <glandium> ehsan: so mac and windows specific directories weren't handled
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136. # [00:33] <@ehsan> right
137. # [00:33] <shu> decoder: yeah i saw, i'm not changing the options yet, i'll do some unconditional hack regardless of machine total RAM when i mess with the flags
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141. # [00:33] <decoder> shu: okay. those flags are only required on low memory machines usually
142. # [00:33] <glandium> ehsan: just to be clear that's the list of directories that *couldn't* build in unified mode by then
143. # [00:33] <decoder> like the try slaves
144. # [00:34] <gps> nalexander: yeah. hence my email from earlier :)
145. # [00:34] <nalexander> gps: indeed :)
146. # [00:34] <decoder> im also currently testing the lowest config (2 GB) for the 4 GB try slaves to see if it kills a high frequency intermittent
147. # [00:34] <decoder> that could also be oom
148. # [00:34] <@ehsan> glandium: got it :)
149. # [00:34] <decoder> it could be that we're just at the edge of oom there and asan is falling over sometimes
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151. # [00:35] <glandium> ehsan: as for the blanket r+, let's make it a blanket r+ if you're only adding UNIFIED_, and there aren't conditions involved.
152. # [00:35] <shu> decoder: that's what i'm trying to gather numbers for now
153. # [00:35] <@ehsan> glandium: conditions?
154. # [00:35] <decoder> shu: okay. it might not be the case for your particular test, but for some other mochitest-bc tests we think it is
155. # [00:35] <glandium> ehsan: if something: SOURCES += []
156. # [00:36] <glandium> ehsan: it's better to check those out
157. # [00:36] <@ehsan> glandium: ok. (why does that matter though?)
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159. # [00:36] <glandium> ehsan: because you might be changing something that you haven't actually tested ;)
160. # [00:37] <@ehsan> oh, like OS2 builds etc?
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162. # [00:37] <glandium> yeah, or specific stuff that is not enabled by default, etc.
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165. # [00:37] <@ehsan> ok fair enough
166. # [00:38] <glandium> ehsan: although that's tricky, because there might be conditions involved, but not in the given moz.build... look tools/jprof/moz.build for example.
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168. # [00:38] <@ehsan> I sometimes leave these conditions alone fwiw
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177. # [00:46] <philor> wow, Pink 64 Pixels of Death, somebody's got some seriously rotten RAM
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183. # [00:50] <mbrubeck> Has anyone ever explained why the color of bad RAM is always pink?
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189. # [00:53] <shu> jwatt: thanks for the visualization!
190. # [00:54] <@ehsan> glandium: in case you're curious, with my local patches, I can build all of layout/ in 4s on my macbook
191. # [00:55] <mattwoodrow> ehsan: O_o
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193. # [00:55] <dholbert> ehsan, OMG I can't wait for all your unified_ patches to land
194. # [00:55] <@ehsan> :)
195. # [00:55] <mattwoodrow> you're awesome
196. # [00:55] <@ehsan> dholbert: help reopen the tree :P
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198. # [00:56] <mattwoodrow> I might even stop leaking all your memory in exchange for this
199. # [00:56] <dholbert> mattwoodrow++
200. # [00:56] <@ehsan> mattwoodrow: deal!
201. # [00:56] <@ehsan> mattwoodrow: btw about that bug, I still have that firefox instance running
202. # [00:56] <@ehsan> if you need any more info etc
203. # [00:56] <mattwoodrow> ehsan: Dw, it was pretty obvious
204. # [00:56] <mattwoodrow> I have a patch
205. # [00:57] <Luqman> hmm, so it seems like firefox can't always get the duration of an mp3 at oncanplaythrough
206. # [00:57] <@ehsan> mattwoodrow++
207. # [00:57] <mattwoodrow> It wasn't really a 'leak' we just shutdown the compositor when the window is minimized
208. # [00:57] <Luqman> is there a bug for this?
209. # [00:57] <mattwoodrow> but content was still producing updates and just queueing them
210. # [00:57] <@ehsan> mattwoodrow: haha, makes sense
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213. # [01:01] <gozala> gavin: https://gist.github.com/Gozala/7476658
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215. # [01:01] <gozala> So that’s more or less what we have to do if we don’t modify the tabbrowser.xml
216. # [01:02] <gozala> gavin: that’s more or less what we do now too
217. # [01:02] <gozala> in practise it has being error prone as I tried to illustrate all the subtle issues that we discovered over time too
218. # [01:03] <gozala> gavin: also I guess somewhat unrelated change that I also did
219. # [01:04] <gozala> and still would like to get in is a proper id for tabs
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221. # [01:04] <gozala> right now we use tab.linkedPanel but it’s awkward
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223. # [01:05] <gozala> and I really want to reduce diff between fennec APIs and Desktop APIs unless there’s a good reason not to
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238. # [01:21] <@smaug> KWierso: could I perhaps land bug Bug 938030
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243. # [01:25] <KWierso> smaug: "checkin-needed" it and RyanVM|afk will add it to his huge patch queue for when the tree reopens? :)
244. # [01:25] <@smaug> KWierso: well I was thinking to reduce current random orange
245. # [01:26] <@smaug> but I can wait
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247. # [01:29] <shu> decoder: running ASan without ASAN_OPTIONS, since this machine has 16 GB of RAM, easily gets over 3.5 GB of RSS, with my patches backed out
248. # [01:30] <KWierso> smaug: actually, it looks like RyanVM|afk landed a patch this afternoon to fix up tests while the OOM stuff was happening...
249. # [01:30] <KWierso> I guess it'd be fine to land yours with a=testonly :)
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251. # [01:30] <gozala> jst do you have time to talk ?
252. # [01:30] <jst> gozala: sorry, pretty swamped this pm :(
253. # [01:31] <gozala> jst: ok can you maybe reach me out once you have more time ?
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256. # [01:32] <padenot> Luqman: come complain in #media
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275. # [01:40] <cpeterson> glandium: if you have a list of directories that can't be compiled as unified, does that mean you have successfully compiled all the other directories unified?
276. # [01:40] <glandium> cpeterson: yes, but that was 6 months ago
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283. # [01:42] <cpeterson> glandium: I don't many files have changed (from fixed to broken or vice versa) since then. Most of the unification problems seem related to header files.
284. # [01:42] <glandium> cpeterson: quite some are due to local global variable names clashing
285. # [01:43] <glandium> or functions
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287. # [01:43] <mbrubeck> So really we should just have one source file called "firefox.cpp", right? ;)
288. # [01:43] <mbrubeck> one *long* file
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291. # [01:44] <glandium> mbrubeck: that's what pgo build does on windows, and well, we all know that doesn't work so well
292. # [01:44] <mbrubeck> heh
293. # [01:44] <philor> "what do I need to build after I made changes to... firefox.cpp?"
294. # [01:45] <catlee-away> easy!
295. # [01:46] <glandium> i don't think a lot of editors would like that many lines, though
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310. # [01:58] <RyanVM|afk> KWierso: smaug: anything that helps fix or diagnose the current OOM issues is fine to land as far as I'm concerned
311. # [01:59] <RyanVM|afk> KWierso: smaug: and reducing the bc noise is definitely helpful
312. # [02:00] <catlee-away> is the OOM stuff related at all to https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=937878
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315. # [02:01] <RyanVM|afk> mattwoodrow: catlee-away: dunno, but fine by me if Matt wants to land it
316. # [02:01] <RyanVM|afk> catlee-away: but if that's OSX only, it certainly won't solve everything
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319. # [02:03] <mattwoodrow> It's incredibly unlikely that tbpl would be affected by that patch
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325. # [02:08] <decoder> shu: yes, but thats ok
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327. # [02:08] <decoder> question is, what happens with the options set
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335. # [02:12] <shu> decoder: yeah, rerunning now with current mid-memory settings
336. # [02:13] <shu> decoder: on the slaves 3G is the OOM line
337. # [02:13] <decoder> ok. if those are too much, try the low ones
338. # [02:13] <shu> decoder: real question is, if we know ASan needs at least 3-4x the memory
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341. # [02:14] <shu> decoder: why don't we just get machines with more RAM for ASan?
342. # [02:14] <decoder> lol
343. # [02:14] <shu> is that funny :(
344. # [02:14] <decoder> no, it's just not that easy
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362. # [02:28] <philor> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=30579219&tree=Mozilla-Inbound#error2 - someone's being naughty
363. # [02:28] <philor> unless that devtools test loads a sessionstore test file
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368. # [02:30] <shu> mccr8: ping
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370. # [02:30] <mccr8> shu: pong
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372. # [02:31] <shu> mccr8: i'm still thinking about the mostly green try with the forceGC taken out + devtools tests disabled
373. # [02:31] <shu> mccr8: is it possible that it ends up with less fragmentation because of fewer GCs?
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375. # [02:32] <mccr8> shu: I'd expect the opposite, unless somehow GCing ends up trashing GL contexts which somehow causes graphics driver badness...
376. # [02:32] <shu> mccr8: okay
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384. # [02:38] <RyanVM|afk> decoder: why? They run on AWS...
385. # [02:38] <RyanVM|afk> decoder: assuming cost isn't an issue, why couldn't we have high-memory aws slaves for asan use?
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388. # [02:42] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/489eb19fbb5e - Olli Pettay - Bug 938030 - Fix race with PAC file loading causing frequent failures. r=ehsan
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393. # [02:46] <catlee-away> why would you assume cost isn't an issue?
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396. # [02:48] <RyanVM|afk> catlee-away: just asking the question :)
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414. # [03:07] * bkero innocently slips https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=938938 into here.
415. # [03:08] <catlee-away> :)
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438. # [03:28] <@khuey> dmajor: ping?
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486. # [04:18] <KWierso|afk> bkero++
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490. # [04:20] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/77765853448f - Nick Fitzgerald - Bug 935788 - Fix Pretty Print button when attempting to prettify non-js files; r=vporof
491. # [04:20] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/e8dbe7aabcc8 - Matt Brubeck - Bug 937200 - Don't call setDisplayPort for events in a background tab [r=jimm]
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493. # [04:20] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/91682d737deb - Matt Brubeck - Bug 888353 - [Metro] Open link in new tab for middle- or ctrl-click [r=rsilveira]
494. # [04:20] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/531c1cc429f8 - Wes Johnston - Bug 936593 - Allow overriding active button colors. r=mfinkle
495. # [04:20] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/b2fab608772f - Ryan VanderMeulen - Merge fx-team to m-c on a CLOSED TREE.
496. # [04:21] <tbsaunde> dholbert: I think you put bug 938939 in the wrong component ;)
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500. # [04:22] <tbsaunde> also I though inbound was closed?
501. # [04:22] <dholbert> tbsaunde, right you are @ wrong component :)
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503. # [04:23] <dholbert> tbsaunde, and you're correct; that was a merge
504. # [04:23] * Waldo finds https://metrics.mozilla.com/data/content/pentaho-cdf-dd/Render?solution=community&path=%2Fdashboards&file=contributorMap.wcdf in scrollback, congratulates Gaia Pushbot on his prolific volunteer work
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506. # [04:24] <dholbert> Waldo, we should really send that guy a t-shirt
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508. # [04:24] <dholbert> Waldo, I think I saw him at the summit, talking to Ms2er
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539. # [05:02] <mjrosenb> oh gdb, you so funny: https://gist.github.com/7478864
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547. # [05:10] <philor> wow, we should really hire some of those prolific volunteers
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582. # [05:43] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> good morning
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592. # [05:56] <Bas> bsmedberg: Still here?
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626. # [06:19] <Mook> ... why does the TEST_MODE discussion in m.d.platform make me think of contract ids being overridden at runtime?
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678. # [07:12] <Bas> khuey: ping
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680. # [07:14] <Bas> Tomcat|sheriffduty: I've been looking at bug 859955, which has been suggested as a possible cause of 937997, I might have a patch that fixes 859955, how would we go about testing if it fixes 937997?
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682. # [07:17] <philor> Bas: use https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/15c617927012 or https://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/7b014f0f3b03 as your parent, build Windows debug, trigger 25 each of mochitest-2 and browser-chrome
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684. # [07:18] <Bas> philor: I don't have a machine that has the drivers that reproduce the underlying address space issue.
685. # [07:18] <philor> 25 is excessive, 5 would do, but we're not doing anything else with the slaves right now :)
686. # [07:18] <Bas> philor: Should I just push that to try?
687. # [07:18] <philor> Bas: tryserver does, though
688. # [07:18] <Bas> Alright, I'm working on my patch, after which I'll figure out the hg magic needed :)
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690. # [07:19] <philor> it's either just hg up -r 7b014f0f3b03, hg qpush, hg push -f try, or it's not and that's what always disappoints me
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693. # [07:21] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> heh
694. # [07:21] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> hg up -r should work i guess :) as philor suggested
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700. # [07:27] <Bas> Ugh, my work-around doesn't seem to work :(
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702. # [07:28] <mattwoodrow> :(
703. # [07:28] <ekr> Bas: so it's an unworkaround
704. # [07:28] <Bas> mattwoodrow: I can make the problem less bad by creating 10 small surfaces for every big surface? :P
705. # [07:28] <Bas> I'm serious btw.
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707. # [07:29] <mattwoodrow> Bas: Gecko sends out memory pressure events when it think we're running low
708. # [07:29] <mattwoodrow> you could respond to that, and just create 200 tiny textures
709. # [07:29] <Bas> mattwoodrow: It won't notice this :s
710. # [07:29] <mattwoodrow> ah :(
711. # [07:29] <Bas> Maybe on these machines it will I suppose.
712. # [07:29] <mattwoodrow> could be something to check
713. # [07:29] <Bas> mattwoodrow: Can you figure out for me if there's a memory pressure event emitted solely if we run out of virtual address space while I try some more workaround stuff?
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715. # [07:30] <mattwoodrow> I can have a look, sure
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726. # [07:41] <mattwoodrow> Bas: So, it looks like we hook VirtualAlloc, MapViewOfFile and CreateDIBSection, and then use GlobalMemoryStatusEx to check the available virtual memory
727. # [07:41] <Bas> Hrm, I wonder if that will work, I doubt it will, but we'll have to keep in mind we might have to try.
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732. # [07:43] <philor> nice, I've starred bug 922537 probably 50 times without noticing that the failure message talks about the number of popup windows to repoen
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737. # [07:44] <Bas> mattwoodrow: Hrm, so creating 200 2x2 textures -does- indeed seem to clear the memory usage.
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739. # [07:45] <mattwoodrow> Dear microsoft,
740. # [07:45] <mattwoodrow> bad.
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743. # [07:45] <Bas> mattwoodrow: I suggest we just create a quick hack that does this upon a memory pressure event and push that while I continue my investigation. How would I go about doing this?
744. # [07:46] <mattwoodrow> Bas: Looks like it basically exists already
745. # [07:46] <mattwoodrow> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/gfx/2d/Factory.cpp#552
746. # [07:46] <Bas> mattwoodrow: Is that called when we hit that event?
747. # [07:47] <mattwoodrow> yes
748. # [07:47] <Bas> mattwoodrow: Okay, great, I'll hack this up right now.
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787. # [07:53] <Bas> mattwoodrow: How do you think we'll feel if I push 3 try builds in the hopes one will finish quicker
788. # [07:53] <Bas> ?
789. # [07:53] <Bas> philor: ^^
790. # [07:53] <mattwoodrow> Bas: All with the same content?
791. # [07:53] <mattwoodrow> I don't think that's how it works
792. # [07:53] <Bas> mattwoodrow: Absolutely.
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794. # [07:53] <Bas> I can qpop/qpush/push
795. # [07:54] <mattwoodrow> The times seem pretty stable from what i've seen'
796. # [07:54] <Bas> It works because the qpop/qpush pair will generate a new changeset.
797. # [07:54] <Bas> Okay
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801. # [07:55] <philor> Bas: is there that much variance in try build times?
802. # [07:55] <Bas> philor: No idea, there used to be, these days I just accept it takes forever and I check 5 hours later :p
803. # [07:55] <philor> have to admit I've never looked, but I'd expect clobber builds of the same code on identical hardware to not vary by more than a couple of minutes
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805. # [07:56] <Bas> ETA 197 mins :(
806. # [07:56] * Bas cries.
807. # [07:56] <mattwoodrow> tests start running after 90 mins
808. # [07:56] <mattwoodrow> approximately
809. # [07:57] <mattwoodrow> follow-up question, what the hell are the windows builders doing that takes so much longer after the binary is sent to the test slaves
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811. # [07:58] <philor> make check, mostly
812. # [07:58] <Bas> PGO?
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814. # [07:58] <philor> including running jit-tests twice, nobody is interested in looking at why
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816. # [07:58] <philor> no, PGO isn't done by default on try, and it has to happen before the build can be complete and uploaded
817. # [07:59] <philor> "Finished check test complete (results: 0, elapsed: 1 hrs, 32 mins, 51 secs)"
818. # [08:00] <philor> from that one that's giving you the 197 minute ETA
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821. # [08:01] <Bas> philor: Does that mean only 65 minutes until the binary drops?
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823. # [08:01] <philor> Bas: roughly, probably
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828. # [08:05] <Bas> mattwoodrow: Got a windows 7 machine handy you can test on if you can reproduce this weird behavior?
829. # [08:05] <Bas> I only have Win8 machines here
830. # [08:05] <mattwoodrow> Bas: Yeah, W520 laptop
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833. # [08:07] <mattwoodrow> What do I need to do?
834. # [08:07] <Bas> mattwoodrow: Alright, getting the executable ready, basically, you want to get Process Explorer running so we can see the numbers.
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836. # [08:08] <mattwoodrow> check
837. # [08:08] <Bas> mattwoodrow: Right click the column headers, go to 'Select Columns' and check the GPU memory reporting columns
838. # [08:09] <Bas> mattwoodrow: Then run http://people.mozilla.org/~bschouten/unittest.exe and see if all goes to hell.
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840. # [08:10] <mattwoodrow> Bas: Missing MSVCP110D.dll
841. # [08:10] <mattwoodrow> visual studio 2012?
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844. # [08:10] <Bas> mattwoodrow: Yeah, debug runtime, guess I'll make you a release build.
845. # [08:11] <mattwoodrow> I have 2010, if you can build to target that runtime
846. # [08:11] <Bas> mattwoodrow: Don't have it anymore.
847. # [08:11] <mattwoodrow> Isn't it an option in the build config?
848. # [08:11] <Bas> mattwoodrow: Only if you have 2010 installed.
849. # [08:11] <Bas> Okay, try the new download.
850. # [08:11] <mattwoodrow> ah
851. # [08:12] <mattwoodrow> same :(
852. # [08:12] <Bas> mattwoodrow: This one's easier to solve, http://people.mozilla.org/~bschouten/vcredist_x86.exe
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854. # [08:12] <Bas> (Debug DLLs aren't in the redist)
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856. # [08:13] <mattwoodrow> I probably should upgrade to 2012 at some point
857. # [08:14] <Bas> mattwoodrow: It's actually a decent improvement over 2012
858. # [08:14] <Bas> Err, 2010
859. # [08:14] <mattwoodrow> Bas: And still the same problem
860. # [08:15] <mattwoodrow> Still wants MSVCP110D.dll
861. # [08:15] <Bas> mattwoodrow: You sure you redownloaded the exec?
862. # [08:15] <mattwoodrow> yes
863. # [08:15] <Bas> mattwoodrow: How big is the binary?
864. # [08:15] <mattwoodrow> 1.04
865. # [08:15] <mattwoodrow> mb
866. # [08:15] <Bas> mattwoodrow: It's the old one.
867. # [08:15] <Bas> mattwoodrow: Browser cache I bet
868. # [08:15] <mattwoodrow> 335kb!
869. # [08:15] <Bas> mattwoodrow: Better.
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871. # [08:16] <mattwoodrow> So what am I supposed to see?
872. # [08:16] <mattwoodrow> It doesn't run for long
873. # [08:17] <Bas> mattwoodrow: What does GPU commited say in process explorer for the process while it runs.
874. # [08:17] <Bas> (potentially I can make it run longer)
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876. # [08:17] <Bas> Or does it crash?
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878. # [08:18] <mattwoodrow> Bas: Doesn't look like it crashes
879. # [08:18] <mattwoodrow> and memory didn't get too high
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881. # [08:18] <mattwoodrow> 36kb?
882. # [08:19] <mattwoodrow> I mean 36,000
883. # [08:19] <Bas> GPU commited? Hmmm
884. # [08:19] <Bas> mattwoodrow: How about GPU system?
885. # [08:19] <mattwoodrow> 300k
886. # [08:20] <mattwoodrow> oh, it spikes to 3000k just before it closes
887. # [08:20] <Bas> mattwoodrow: Yeah, not interesting. Hrm, it spikes to 6GB on my machine.
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891. # [08:22] <Bas> mattwoodrow: Maybe it doesn't run long enough, I'm going to increase how long it runs.
892. # [08:22] <Bas> mattwoodrow: Looks like it might do something different on intel drivers, I'll make one that shoves actual data in.
893. # [08:23] <mattwoodrow> I think I have optimus too btw
894. # [08:23] <mattwoodrow> which may be relevant
895. # [08:23] <Bas> mattwoodrow: Are you running it on an external screen?)
896. # [08:23] <mattwoodrow> no
897. # [08:23] <Bas> mattwoodrow: Try forcing it to run as intel.
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899. # [08:24] <mattwoodrow> How do I do that? Is it only a bios setting?
900. # [08:24] <Bas> mattwoodrow: You can set it in your NVidia control panel
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908. # [08:27] <mattwoodrow> Bas: Maybe I don't, can't find the setting for it
909. # [08:28] <glandium> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=859955#c47 facepalm
910. # [08:28] <Bas> mattwoodrow: So the problem's not present on my Win8 NVidia laptop with this simple test :s
911. # [08:28] <Bas> Oddly enough the problem in the firefox testcase on the bug is, lemme try something else.
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913. # [08:30] <Bas> mattwoodrow: How about my latest upload - http://people.mozilla.org/~bschouten/unittest.exe ?
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917. # [08:32] <mattwoodrow> Bas: You did better, got to almost 200mb
918. # [08:33] <Bas> mattwoodrow: Interesting, this one crashed my laptop.
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920. # [08:33] <mattwoodrow> The quadro 1000M is obviously a solid piece of hardware
921. # [08:33] <Bas> mattwoodrow: Funny thing is - I'm also on a Quadro 1000M I think :p
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923. # [08:34] <mattwoodrow> It seems to vary a bit, got 275mb that time
924. # [08:35] <Bas> mattwoodrow: And what does my latest upload do?
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927. # [08:37] <mattwoodrow> About the same, unless I got a cached version
928. # [08:38] <mattwoodrow> nah, definitely the same usage. 200mb
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932. # [08:40] <Bas> Alright
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936. # [08:43] <mattwoodrow> I'm trying khuey's webpage test
937. # [08:43] <Bas> mattwoodrow: My workaround is also ineffective on this laptop :(
938. # [08:44] <mattwoodrow> which one? creating lots of small surfaces?
939. # [08:44] <Bas> Looks like it, checking to see if it just needs a flush.
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941. # [08:45] <mattwoodrow> The browser test case looks like its working
942. # [08:45] <mattwoodrow> I'm up to 1.2GB
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944. # [08:48] <Bas> mattwoodrow: So every device basically responds differently.. great!
945. # [08:48] <mattwoodrow> \o/
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947. # [08:48] <Bas> mattwoodrow: I have another test for you to run.
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950. # [08:48] <Bas> mattwoodrow: One sec.
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953. # [08:50] <Bas> mattwoodrow: What does my current upload do?
954. # [08:50] <mattwoodrow> checking
955. # [08:50] <Bas> mattwoodrow: My build failed due to a typo :( (I couldn't test build locally because of stupid moz build crap)
956. # [08:51] <mattwoodrow> Bas: Still the same!
957. # [08:51] <Bas> mattwoodrow: Wait, it just works?
958. # [08:51] <mattwoodrow> yeah
959. # [08:51] <mattwoodrow> Bas: Upload it to a different name
960. # [08:52] <mattwoodrow> just in case it's being cached somewhere
961. # [08:52] <Bas> mattwoodrow: How about now?
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965. # [08:54] <mattwoodrow> Bas: And still
966. # [08:54] <mattwoodrow> 200mb.
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968. # [08:54] <Bas> mattwoodrow: I inserted a crash in there this time :p
969. # [08:54] <Bas> LEt me upload to a different name :)
970. # [08:55] <Bas> mattwoodrow: http://people.mozilla.org/~bschouten/unittest_new.exe
971. # [08:56] <mattwoodrow> Bas: Doesn't crash!
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973. # [08:56] <Bas> mattwoodrow: I removed the crash from this one, what does it do?
974. # [08:57] <mattwoodrow> Bas: about the same, got to 280mb
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978. # [08:59] <Bas> mattwoodrow: The fx build where you could repro the problem, is that a local build?
979. # [08:59] <mattwoodrow> Nah, it was 26
980. # [08:59] <mattwoodrow> release
981. # [08:59] <Bas> mattwoodrow: Darn, otherwise I would've had a patch you could try.
982. # [08:59] <mattwoodrow> I can try it
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984. # [09:02] <Bas> mattwoodrow: pastebin.mozilla.org/3607757
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989. # [09:08] <mattwoodrow> ugh, was on battery power
990. # [09:08] <mattwoodrow> that's why it's going so slow
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995. # [09:10] <Bas> mattwoodrow: Once this build is done you should be able to do incremental builds, and I'll have more patches for you ;)
996. # [09:10] <mattwoodrow> Bas: I've gotta pop out for a bit (20 mins)
997. # [09:10] <Bas> mattwoodrow: Sure thing!
998. # [09:10] <mattwoodrow> but it looks like its not leaking memory with that patch
999. # [09:11] <mattwoodrow> It spikes to 125mb ish
1000. # [09:11] <mattwoodrow> and then drops
1001. # [09:11] <Bas> mattwoodrow: Your build already finished? w00t!
1002. # [09:11] <mattwoodrow> it was only an incremental one
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1005. # [09:13] <Bas> mattwoodrow: So you should also try pastebin.mozilla.org/3607832 and see if that makes memory go down when we reach a critical point.
1006. # [09:13] <Bas> (i.e. before it crashes)
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1008. # [09:16] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> Bas: your try build failed
1009. # [09:17] <Bas> Tomcat|sheriffduty: I know, already pushes a new one.
1010. # [09:17] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> ah ok
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1012. # [09:18] <glandium> Tomcat|sheriffduty: would you happen to know what kind of string would show up reliably across all platforms in the tbpl error popup that shows up when there are build failures
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1017. # [09:23] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> glandium: hm looking
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1035. # [09:37] <glandium> Tomcat|sheriffduty: would something containing "Error" always show up?
1036. # [09:38] <glandium> or maybe I should add a TinderboxPrint or something like that
1037. # [09:39] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> glandium: hm https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=30588339&tree=Try#error0 it seems more error 2 or so
1038. # [09:39] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> not just Error
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1040. # [09:40] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> but edmorley should know more about this more detailed internals of tbpl
1041. # [09:40] <glandium> but he's not here right now
1042. # [09:40] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> yeah but should be around in 20 minutes or so
1043. # [09:41] <Bas> mattwoodrow: back yet? :)
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1048. # [09:43] <mattwoodrow> Bas: kind of, but making food
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1051. # [09:44] <Bas> mattwoodrow: Could you see if https://hg.mozilla.org/try/rev/b12eb295e5cd saves you from crashing at least?
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1053. # [09:44] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> looking at the developer docs currently https://wiki.mozilla.org/Sheriffing/TBPL/DeveloperDocs
1054. # [09:44] <Ms2ger> Bonjour
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1056. # [09:44] <Bas> mattwoodrow: And if https://hg.mozilla.org/try/rev/e66af2b5c47f saves you from your memory usage getting very high.
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1060. # [09:47] <mattwoodrow> Bas: gimme 10 mins and I'm on it
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1062. # [09:47] <Bas> mattwoodrow: Sure, I have to wait for my try builds anyway.
1063. # [09:47] <Bas> I sent off a whole bunch, I'm out of ideas, so I'm going to sit here playing Pokemon X now.
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1071. # [09:54] <mattwoodrow> Bas: I haven't reproduced a crash yet, just slow climbing memory usage
1072. # [09:54] <mattwoodrow> I guess it'll crash eventually, but it'd take half an hour or more
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1074. # [09:54] <mattwoodrow> I can confirm that without the first patch you sent me, it's climbing
1075. # [09:55] <mattwoodrow> with the patch, it isn't
1076. # [09:55] <mattwoodrow> i'll try the most recent try push now
1077. # [09:55] <Bas> mattwoodrow: Alright.
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1089. # [09:59] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> glandium: found https://hg.mozilla.org/webtools/tbpl/annotate/8538e6d7fb63/php/inc/GeneralErrorFilter.php
1090. # [09:59] <glandium> Tomcat|sheriffduty: the TinderboxPrint thing worked, actually
1091. # [10:00] <glandium> which doesn't make it show up in the popup, but it shows up in the bottom box
1092. # [10:00] <glandium> close enough
1093. # [10:00] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> cool
1094. # [10:00] <mattwoodrow> Bas: e66af2b5c47f is working to keep my memory usage down
1095. # [10:00] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> sorry for the delay had to dig trough the source code
1096. # [10:01] <mattwoodrow> spikes to 200mb at max
1097. # [10:01] <Bas> mattwoodrow: That's expected.
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1104. # [10:05] <mattwoodrow> Bas: Trying the memory pressure event one now, with the test page edited to consume memory faster
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1107. # [10:05] <shu> Bas: fascinating stuff in the comments of bug 859955
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1109. # [10:06] <Bas> mattwoodrow: Great idea, thanks. Make sure to keep the surface down to 8x8K or lower or we'll take different codepaths.
1110. # [10:06] <Bas> shu: Heh, interesting way to put it :-)
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1113. # [10:06] <mattwoodrow> Bas: No crash, memory climbs to around 4GB and then drops
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1115. # [10:06] <shu> Bas: great story to tell in the making for the future
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1117. # [10:07] <mattwoodrow> popping the patch and rebuilding to confirm that my test changes aren't related
1118. # [10:07] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> yeah
1119. # [10:07] <Bas> shu: I just hope this isn't a red herring for the mochitest failures.
1120. # [10:07] <Bas> mattwoodrow: Excellent.
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1122. # [10:08] <Bas> mattwoodrow: If we can get any of these to fix the mochitests failures, we'll just emergency-review and push them, we'll think of better solutions when the rest of Mozilla can get back to work :-)
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1126. # [10:10] <Bas> shu: The amount of differences between different device and driver combinations never seize to amaze me. Everytime I think 'I know how bad it can be.' something pops up that makes me go 'Hmm.. guess it's worse than I thought'
1127. # [10:10] <mattwoodrow> Bas: I think we'll want to land this asap even if it doesn't
1128. # [10:10] <mattwoodrow> It's a pretty severe memory leak, I can go through 4GB in about a minute
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1130. # [10:10] <Bas> mattwoodrow: Well, so the reason the test works is the canvas never gets drawn.
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1132. # [10:11] <mattwoodrow> oh. So, I can't reproduce a crash without the patches
1133. # [10:11] <Bas> mattwoodrow: :(
1134. # [10:11] <mattwoodrow> It dropped memory usage anyway
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1137. # [10:11] <Bas> mattwoodrow: It should only drop when the canvas gets destroyed, in theory.
1138. # [10:11] <Bas> Make sure that's not accidentally happening.
1139. # [10:11] <shu> Bas: yeah, certainly much worse than CPUs. at least no driver problems there
1140. # [10:11] <Bas> (or displayed)
1141. # [10:12] <mattwoodrow> Bas: Well, the GPU committed value climbed to 4.1GB
1142. # [10:12] <glandium> Bas: i bet people at Valve or similar companies would have horror stories to tell
1143. # [10:12] <mattwoodrow> and then drops to 50mb
1144. # [10:12] <glandium> even advices
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1146. # [10:12] <mattwoodrow> it's happened twice in a row
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1148. # [10:12] <Bas> mattwoodrow: I bet you'll see your physical memory usage climb,.
1149. # [10:12] <Bas> mattwoodrow: Or disk usage.
1150. # [10:12] <mattwoodrow> actually, maybe my whole computer just hung
1151. # [10:12] <Bas> mattwoodrow: It's just paging like it should.
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1153. # [10:13] <mattwoodrow> what have you done!
1154. # [10:13] <Bas> mattwoodrow: Fantastic :-) I think we'll need to go with my relatively heavy duty patch that jumps through extra hoops every 100 MB.
1155. # [10:13] <mattwoodrow> Mouse won't even move :(
1156. # [10:13] <mattwoodrow> Bas: Not wait until we run out?
1157. # [10:13] <Bas> glandium: Interestingly enough, it's interesting how many problems we run into because we're on the forefront of desktop software using the GPU.
1158. # [10:13] <Bas> mattwoodrow: Indeed, that's the one you tested that keeps the memory usage down.
1159. # [10:14] <Bas> It just does some flushes to be sure every 100 MB of uploads.
1160. # [10:14] <mattwoodrow> Bas: Well I tested the other one too, and it appeared to reset when the memory usage got close to 4GB
1161. # [10:14] <Bas> mattwoodrow: Very possible.
1162. # [10:14] <mattwoodrow> but now i'm not sure if it was worked, or if it just got swapped
1163. # [10:14] <mattwoodrow> if my laptop ever responds again I can find out
1164. # [10:14] <Bas> Permadeath :p
1165. # [10:15] <mattwoodrow> I haven't had to hard power off a computer in a while
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1167. # [10:15] <Bas> See! I knew my code was special!
1168. # [10:16] <Bas> glandium: Our usage patterns are so wildly different from games.
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1181. # [10:20] <glandium> Bas: unrelatedly, what part(s) of gfx do you build standalone?
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1184. # [10:21] <Bas> glandium: Moz2D
1185. # [10:21] <glandium> Bas: that's gfx/2d?
1186. # [10:21] <Bas> glandium: Yup: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Platform/GFX/Moz2D#Building_Moz2D
1187. # [10:21] <glandium> Bas: thanks
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1191. # [10:23] <glandium> Bas: oh, you're not keeping the build parts in m-c
1192. # [10:23] <Bas> glandium: Not up to date, no.
1193. # [10:23] <glandium> Bas: i guess you're not using moz.build/Makefile.in at all then
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1195. # [10:23] <Bas> glandium: I'm not :)
1196. # [10:23] <Bas> glandium: One of the systems I work on doesn't even have Mozilla build :)
1197. # [10:24] <Bas> (Shit hardware, can't really compile mozilla, can compile Moz2D though, so I can play with the microbenchmark suites :)
1198. # [10:24] <glandium> Bas: makes things simpler for me then :) Although at some point in the distant future, it might be possible to generate your makefiles/whatever from our moz.build
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1200. # [10:25] <Bas> glandium: That would be great, if it can be done with a nice, small, self-contained tool.
1201. # [10:25] <Bas> glandium: If it can generate decent visual studio projects that is :)
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1203. # [10:25] <glandium> Bas: essentially, that would require python, and the python/ tree
1204. # [10:25] <glandium> Bas: but we're talking months ahead
1205. # [10:25] <Bas> glandium: Hrm, yeah, doubt I'd use that in practice then I guess.
1206. # [10:26] <Bas> We should have it in a stand-alone executable :)
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1211. # [10:29] <mattwoodrow> Bas: I don't think the memory pressure patch works sorry
1212. # [10:30] <mattwoodrow> just ruined my laptop again, with it applied this time
1213. # [10:30] <Bas> mattwoodrow: We'll go for the other one then. It might work on try though, simply due to the fact that doesn't try to swap :)
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1219. # [10:34] <mattwoodrow> Bas: I don't know if i'll still be up when we get try results
1220. # [10:34] <julienw> I have a 256MB windows xp computer here at home, if you need to test some memory pressure stuff ;)
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1223. # [10:34] <mattwoodrow> That is impressive
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1225. # [10:35] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> Bas: btw also got some windows 7 vm's that are on standby and one win 7 laptop
1226. # [10:35] <julienw> it's being retired in a few days but it's still running right now
1227. # [10:35] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> but i think has ATI Graphics Card and not intel
1228. # [10:35] <Bas> mattwoodrow: Can you IRC r+ this patch as an emergency stop-gap if it's successful at fixing the tests in the tree. https://hg.mozilla.org/try/rev/e66af2b5c47f
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1230. # [10:36] <mattwoodrow> Bas: Yeah absolutely, r=me
1231. # [10:36] <Bas> Tomcat|sheriffduty: Let's see what try does, if none of my attempts succeed I'm sort of out of ideas, they fix the testcases we have, we know that. And I'm not that sharp anymore as I've almost been up for over 24 hours by now :)
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1235. # [10:38] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> Bas: yeah ok
1236. # [10:38] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> also you should get some sleep
1237. # [10:39] <Bas> Tomcat|sheriffduty: I will once we can open inbound again :p
1238. # [10:39] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> :)
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1240. # [10:39] <Bas> I'm sure the value of sleep does not weigh up to the opportunity cost of inbound being closed. :P
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1244. # [10:40] <shu> this is to fix M2 or bc?
1245. # [10:40] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> Bas: in case you fall asleep i will retrigger this 25 m2/b2 runs :)
1246. # [10:40] <Bas> shu: I hope.. it's a long shot, but who knows :)
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1250. # [10:41] <Bas> Tomcat|sheriffduty: Are you crazy!? I just caught a Ralts.. levelling this up will keep me up until the tests are done! :P
1251. # [10:41] <shu> Bas: which is it targeting mainly? after i got backed out BC should be fairly green again, though i saw the CC OOM on the M2 retriggers. are you pushing to try before my backout or after my backout?
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1255. # [10:42] <Bas> shu: I think after. We seem to have closed again after the backout.
1256. # [10:42] <shu> Bas: we never reopened after the backout
1257. # [10:42] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> we never opened after the backout
1258. # [10:42] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> because not fixed root issue
1259. # [10:42] <Bas> shu: Ah :) Well. Philor told me what revision to push on top of, I have no idea :)
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1262. # [10:43] <shu> Bas: if it's not too much trouble, it might be interesting to push a try of before 494827a9190e
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1265. # [10:44] <Bas> shu: I pushed this one onto '7b014f0f3b03'
1266. # [10:44] <Bas> Is that good?
1267. # [10:45] <shu> Bas: looking...
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1269. # [10:45] <shu> Bas: yeah that's after the backout
1270. # [10:45] <shu> Bas: actually i can just take your patch and push it myself to before my backout
1271. # [10:45] <Bas> shu: So you need me to push on top of something else before the backout too?
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1273. # [10:46] <Bas> shu tomcat|sheriffduty: So if I pushed after the backout... how are we going to know if my patch fixed the issue?
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1275. # [10:46] <shu> Bas: we still have CC OOMs after my backout
1276. # [10:46] <Bas> shu: Oh good :)
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1278. # [10:47] <shu> Bas: if you can push on top of... let me get the revision, i think the one i gave you was wrong
1279. # [10:47] <allstarschh> gps: ping
1280. # [10:47] <gps> allstarschh: (autoresponse) content-free ping detected. Please consider providing some additional context so I can address your questions more efficiently.
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1282. # [10:47] <shu> Bas: if you can push one on top of 15c617927012
1283. # [10:47] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> shu 15c617927012
1284. # [10:47] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> yeah :)
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1288. # [10:51] <Bas> Tomcat|sheriffduty shu: Pushed my 2 favourite attempts :)
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1291. # [10:51] <mjrosenb> there's no way to re-allocate something using the c++allocationoperatiors, right?
1292. # [10:54] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> Bas: cool!
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1296. # [10:55] <Bas> mjrosenb: To the best of my knowledge that was explicitly not added to C++ :)
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1298. # [10:55] <mjrosenb> :-(
1299. # [10:55] <Bas> mjrosenb: Why the sadface? A new allocation and a copy does the same thing :p
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1302. # [10:57] <mjrosenb> Bas: I just need to remember to get all of the sizes correct for malloc/memcpy/...
1303. # [10:58] <Bas> Heh :)
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1306. # [10:58] <tbsaunde> Bas: not if you get lucky and the next block is free
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1308. # [10:59] <shu> Bas: awesome, ty
1309. # [10:59] <Bas> tbsaunde: There's a whole bunch of unlikely things that need to happen for that don't there? Like, the remapping is not trivial. I guess if you resize within a page :)
1310. # [11:00] <Bas> I guess you can use an std::vector and resize it and get more or less the same thing? ;)
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1312. # [11:01] <tbsaunde> Bas: hm, why is it more than just needing there to be free space after your array?
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1314. # [11:02] <Bas> tbsaunde: I forgot the details of how virtual address space to physical mapping works and what the constraints are, so I'm not sure :)
1315. # [11:02] <tbsaunde> vector is certainly an option, but its probably possible to come up with a use case that needs to keep the number of elements itself for some reason and so a vector is extra over head
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1317. # [11:03] <Bas> tbsaunde: yeah, major downside is also that vector always initializes its elements I think.
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1320. # [11:04] <Bas> Man, this try build has been going for an hour and 40 minutes.
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1323. # [11:04] <Bas> Can we please just buy 100 server-grade Xeon machines as build bots, I think we'd have a positive return on investment in 2 weeks.
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1331. # [11:06] <Bas> Any way to see how far along a build is?
1332. # [11:07] <glandium> Bas: no
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1334. # [11:07] <mjrosenb> Bas: hax the system to use cmake!
1335. # [11:07] <Bas> :)
1336. # [11:07] <Bas> glandium: Do you know what hardware the try server builders are?
1337. # [11:08] <glandium> Bas: no
1338. # [11:08] <Bas> I can't believe they build slower than my $1600 laptop
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1340. # [11:08] <glandium> Bas: well, to begin with, they don't start the build immediately.
1341. # [11:08] <glandium> Bas: then, they are currently using pymake
1342. # [11:09] <Bas> glandium: It started building fairly quickly after I pushed :)
1343. # [11:09] <Bas> glandium: I build with pymake on my laptop :)
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1346. # [11:09] <glandium> Bas: well, you should give a try to modernity, and use mozmake
1347. # [11:09] <Bas> w00t!!! Tests!!!
1348. # [11:10] <glandium> and mach build binaries for incremental C/C++ builds
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1351. # [11:10] <glandium> Bas: https://groups.google.com/d/msg/mozilla.dev.platform/cm0Jsgr6nr0/Pm2Ah5DSQEIJ
1352. # [11:12] <Bas> glandium: It wasn't too much faster for me when I tried 3 weeks ago, but I'll try again sometime soon :)
1353. # [11:12] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> ok Bas retriggered some tests also
1354. # [11:12] <Bas> Tomcat|sheriffduty: Yeah, do we have enough slaves? I want to prioritize certain patches over others.
1355. # [11:12] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> yeah
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1357. # [11:13] <Bas> glandium: Well, I didn't try mozmake, it's true. I should try that.
1358. # [11:13] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> since the trunk trees are closed i guess thats ok
1359. # [11:13] <Bas> glandium: I also want to try Vlad's ninja stuff.
1360. # [11:13] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> Bas: as example https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Mozilla-Inbound&rev=494827a9190e
1361. # [11:13] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> we had this OOM not on every testrun on win7
1362. # [11:14] <Bas> Tomcat|sheriffduty: Which is the OOM? The blue one?
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1365. # [11:15] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> Bas: the orange ones i guess
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1368. # [11:15] <glazou> bonjour
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1373. # [11:18] <Bas> Tomcat|sheriffduty: How long do these usually take?
1374. # [11:18] <Bas> M2 and BC?
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1378. # [11:19] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> m2 about 20 minutes and bc i guess around 80 minutes
1379. # [11:19] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> yeah m2 around 18 minutes
1380. # [11:20] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> Bas: thats why i triggered so much bc tests at once, otherwise with doing one by one it takes long
1381. # [11:20] * Bas nods
1382. # [11:20] <Bas> 80 minutes, you have to wonder what the hell it's all testing :p
1383. # [11:21] <darktrojan> everything
1384. # [11:21] <Bas> Ignore those winXP crashes btw, that's just my patch being a little stupid.
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1394. # [11:24] <Bas> glandium: How do I set the object directory location with mach btw?
1395. # [11:25] <glandium> Bas: mozconfig, as usual
1396. # [11:25] <Bas> Oh, you just use mozconfig I guess.
1397. # [11:25] <Bas> I haven't used mozconfig for years :)
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1399. # [11:26] <glandium> Bas: how do you set your objdir?
1400. # [11:26] * mjrosenb has never used mozconfig :-/
1401. # [11:26] <Bas> glandium: I run configure manually from the directory I create as my objdir? :P
1402. # [11:26] <glandium> Bas: man, you're so old school
1403. # [11:26] <glandium> at least, you're not running configure in the source directory
1404. # [11:27] <Bas> glandium: Nah, I build on to a directory I share over my network. So I can run my builds on other machines with no build environment and remote debug.
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1407. # [11:31] <Bas> Tomcat|sheriffduty: Fwiw, the patch I'm hoping will do the trick is here: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=e66af2b5c47f
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1409. # [11:31] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> Bas: so first result is in
1410. # [11:32] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> oh cool
1411. # [11:32] <Bas> Tomcat|sheriffduty: So that M2 we see failing on my patch I didn't think would help is an OOM?
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1413. # [11:33] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> yeah Bas its bug 923614
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1415. # [11:33] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> comment 112 khuey thinks this may be related to OOMpocalypse 2
1416. # [11:34] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> hm
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1418. # [11:34] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> "Bug 923614 may be related, but in my extensive retriggering campaign, I haven't seen it more than once or twice." from the tree closure bug
1419. # [11:35] * Bas nods.
1420. # [11:35] <Bas> That's what I saw?
1421. # [11:35] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> yeah
1422. # [11:36] <Bas> It's too bad those bcs take so long.
1423. # [11:36] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> happened on that push only one time and the others are green
1424. # [11:36] <Bas> Tomcat|sheriffduty: Yeah, seems like a regular random orange.
1425. # [11:37] <Bas> Guess we'll have to wait for BC.
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1428. # [11:38] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> yep
1429. # [11:39] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> Bas maybe worth to put this "hope-run try url" in the bug so that people outside of irc can watch at the results
1430. # [11:40] * @smaug triggered Win7-debug-try for Bug 938945 couple of more times
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1432. # [11:41] <@smaug> the patch is bit silly, but I'm not familiar with mochitest testrunner
1433. # [11:41] <Bas> Tomcat|sheriffduty: Working on it :)
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1435. # [11:42] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> cool!
1436. # [11:42] <Bas> Done :)
1437. # [11:44] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> thx Bas
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1439. # [11:47] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> Bas: btw this xp crashes on the e66af2b5c47f patch are also this ones we can ignore for now right ?
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1441. # [11:48] <Bas> Tomcat|sheriffduty: Yeah.
1442. # [11:48] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> ok :)
1443. # [11:48] <Bas> I pushed a tidied up patch to try for all platforms.
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1445. # [11:48] <Bas> To make sure my patch was ready to push if it turns out to improve the bc situation.
1446. # [11:49] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> :)
1447. # [11:49] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> ok cool stared & commented this 2 failures now before you get more questions about that :)
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1450. # [11:51] <Bas> They're good ol' friendly nullptr dereferences. Turns out we don't have a D3D10 device on Windows XP :-)
1451. # [11:52] <@smaug> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=26e62fdcec83 doesn't look too bad
1452. # [11:53] <@smaug> no Bug 923614 all the time
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1454. # [11:54] <Bas> smaug: I think bc, not M2 is the big problem though.
1455. # [11:54] <@smaug> m2 has been a problem
1456. # [11:54] <@smaug> win7 debug m2
1457. # [11:55] <Bas> smaug: It's 'fairly' solid on inbound actually.
1458. # [11:55] <Bas> And has been on my pushes too, even the ones that don't fix anything :)
1459. # [11:55] <@smaug> what is the issue with bv
1460. # [11:55] <@smaug> ibc
1461. # [11:55] <@smaug> er, bc :)
1462. # [11:55] <@smaug> it looks pretty green
1463. # [11:55] <Bas> smaug: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Mozilla-Inbound&rev=494827a9190e
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1465. # [11:58] <Bas> Tomcat|sheriffduty: My favourite patch didn't work.
1466. # [11:58] <Bas> Had an OOM.
1467. # [11:58] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> :(
1468. # [11:59] <Bas> Tomcat|sheriffduty: We can try and see if the bc situation improves than I'll still push it.
1469. # [11:59] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> yeah
1470. # [11:59] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> we should wait for the bc results too
1471. # [12:00] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> Bas seems you are running into Bug 935419 - i guess smaug was looking into that too
1472. # [12:01] <@smaug> that is m2 on win7
1473. # [12:01] <@smaug> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=26e62fdcec83 is about that
1474. # [12:01] <Bas> smaug: Yeah, so that might've worked.
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1476. # [12:02] <@smaug> Bug 938945 is about that too
1477. # [12:02] <@smaug> kind of
1478. # [12:02] <Bas> smaug: Although it's hard to say, you can see in https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=e66af2b5c47f that even in my pushes where they do occur the occurrence is fairly low.
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1480. # [12:06] <@smaug> so with Bug 938945 we end up having a lot less live DOMWindow objects just before shutting down
1481. # [12:06] <@smaug> and the m2 failure seems to be at least partially about having too many objects alive during shutdown
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1483. # [12:08] <NeilAway> mjrosenb: why not use nsTArray?
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1486. # [12:09] <mjrosenb> NeilAway: what constructors does that call?
1487. # [12:10] <NeilAway> mjrosenb: depends on your element traits
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1489. # [12:10] <mjrosenb> NeilAway: you lost me there.
1490. # [12:11] <mjrosenb> NeilAway: also, this is in the js engine, and I think we try to stay away from things that require nspr.
1491. # [12:11] <NeilAway> mjrosenb: oh, js engine, then never mind me
1492. # [12:11] <NeilAway> mjrosenb: (nsTArray is in xpcom/glue)
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1494. # [12:11] <@smaug> anyone familiar with mochitest?
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1496. # [12:11] <@smaug> the framework
1497. # [12:11] <Ms2ger> I've looked a little bit at times
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1500. # [12:13] <@smaug> Ms2ger: just wondering the best place to call gc/cc
1501. # [12:13] <@smaug> Ms2ger: Bug 938945 adds it to one place, outside the framework itself
1502. # [12:13] <@smaug> which is kind of nice
1503. # [12:14] <@smaug> no need to hack the internals of the testrunner
1504. # [12:14] <@smaug> Ms2ger: you could give r+ to that patch :p
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1506. # [12:14] <Ms2ger> iframe-between-tests.html was actually what I was thinking too :)
1507. # [12:15] <Ms2ger> But does it have SpecialPowers?
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1509. # [12:15] <@smaug> yes, that code is executed
1510. # [12:15] <Ms2ger> !seen ted
1511. # [12:15] <firebot> ted was last seen 13 hours, 3 minutes and 51 seconds ago, saying 'i'd like to see if it makes sense to do things like integrate the jit-crash-categorize stuff' in #breakpad.
1512. # [12:15] <Ms2ger> Bah
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1516. # [12:17] <Ms2ger> smaug, how about you land it with f=me, pending-r=ted, a=Tomcat on a CLOSED TREE? :)
1517. # [12:17] <@smaug> sounds good to me
1518. # [12:18] * Ms2ger puts that in the bug
1519. # [12:19] <Ms2ger> Tomcat|sheriffduty, so, a? :)
1520. # [12:19] <edmorley> smaug: I don't think we should rush the landing of that
1521. # [12:19] <edmorley> smaug: let's wait until ted is awake
1522. # [12:20] <@smaug> why we should not rush with that?
1523. # [12:20] <edmorley> smaug: why do you think?:
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1526. # [12:20] <@smaug> it is rather clear to me that we may end up using tons of memory at the end of test run and then we close and run the final CC (which happens without optimizations)
1527. # [12:21] <@smaug> and that can take tons of memory
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1529. # [12:21] <@smaug> that is a situation to which doesn't ever happen to users
1530. # [12:21] <@smaug> since we run shutdown CC only in debug builds
1531. # [12:22] <@smaug> If we have real leaks, they should show up in leak detector and/or in cc graph analyzer
1532. # [12:22] <@smaug> or as shutdown leaks
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1534. # [12:23] <@smaug> s/to which/which/
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1536. # [12:24] <@smaug> so, I think we should do whatever we can to get the tree opened
1537. # [12:24] <edmorley> yes, and that's the problem
1538. # [12:24] <@smaug> Tomcat|sheriffduty: a+ ?
1539. # [12:24] <edmorley> smaug: no
1540. # [12:24] <@smaug> edmorley: what no?
1541. # [12:24] <edmorley> smaug: we're not missing review
1542. # [12:24] <@smaug> did you miss my explanation
1543. # [12:24] <Ms2ger> a-
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1545. # [12:24] <edmorley> smaug: I missed part due to disconnect, but reading on logbot
1546. # [12:25] * Ms2ger wonders why m1 takes so long
1547. # [12:25] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> a+ :)
1548. # [12:25] <edmorley> smaug: ok, seems like my message didn't go through either
1549. # [12:25] <edmorley> 11:23:20 - edmorley: smaug: ok, how about these three? 1) ted will be awake in a few hours, so no need to circumvent our review process, 2) forcing more frequent CCes in our test automation seems like a good way to hide issues with our heuristics, so getting a few more eyes/thoughts on this first seems wise, 3) that level in the harness might not be the most suitable, so I'd like someone from a-team to weigh in
1550. # [12:25] <edmorley> Tomcat|sheriffduty: please don'ty
1551. # [12:26] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> yeah
1552. # [12:26] <@smaug> 2) is bogus
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1554. # [12:26] <@smaug> as I explained
1555. # [12:26] <@smaug> but I might agree with 1) and 3)
1556. # [12:27] <edmorley> smaug: race condition with me missing your messages due to the disconnect; #1 and #3 remain
1557. # [12:27] <@smaug> we could land the patch, but not close the tree
1558. # [12:27] <@smaug> er, open the tree
1559. # [12:27] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> lets take teds feedback/review
1560. # [12:27] <tbsaunde> it seems like the worst than can possibly happen is ted can say that's actually a dumb idea and we back the patch out in which case we're at the same spot we are now anyway
1561. # [12:27] <@smaug> yeah
1562. # [12:27] <@smaug> I see no harm to just land the patch
1563. # [12:27] <edmorley> smaug: ok, let's land and retrigger a load, but not reopen
1564. # [12:27] <@smaug> right
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1566. # [12:29] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/c3d8ec0e53c7 - Olli Pettay - Bug 938945, gc/cc more during test runs, f=Ms2ger, pending-r=ted, a=Tomcat on a CLOSED TREE
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1570. # [12:32] <Bas> Tomcat|sheriffduty: Well, my first patch certainly -didn't- help ;) (although I didn't expect it to)
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1573. # [12:37] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> Bas: yeah just checked the results of https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=e66af2b5c47f
1574. # [12:37] <Bas> Yeah, no, it didn't help. Okay, well, with that, I'm going to bed :)
1575. # [12:38] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> good night Bas
1576. # [12:38] <Bas> (will comment on the bug first)
1577. # [12:39] * Ms2ger thought Bas was in his timezone
1578. # [12:39] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> yeah but up for more then +24 hours
1579. # [12:39] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> i guess
1580. # [12:39] <@smaug> .nl certainly hints CET
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1582. # [12:41] <Bas> Ms2ger: I am :)
1583. # [12:41] <Ms2ger> Bas, then get some sleep! :)
1584. # [12:41] <Bas> But I was hoping that fixing the test case in bug 859955 would allow us to reopen the tree. But it didn't help at all :(
1585. # [12:42] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> lets just call ist BCET :) Bas Central European Time :)
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1588. # [12:46] <edmorley> smaug: thinking about what you said more - I'm still concerned we''ll end up missing OOMs by forcing CC more often - *yes* release builds don't do shutdown CCes, but not all fo the OOMs we were seeing were at shutdown
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1590. # [12:47] <edmorley> smaug: in addition, as given by the number of dependent bugs under the current tree closure one, it's clear that the leak analyser is missing cases at the moment
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1592. # [12:49] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> seems its waiting for review
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1594. # [12:51] <@smaug> edmorley: do we even have the old leak detector back?
1595. # [12:51] <edmorley> smaug: not yet
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1598. # [12:52] <@smaug> edmorley: but note, gc/cc don't "fix" any leaks
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1600. # [12:53] <edmorley> smaug: yeah I realise that, they just hide the symptoms so we can carry of blissfully unaware (which is why I was hesitant to land the patch without review)
1601. # [12:53] <edmorley> s/of/on/
1602. # [12:53] <@smaug> well, OOM != leak
1603. # [12:53] <@smaug> we need to get the old leak detector back
1604. # [12:53] <@smaug> and then also perhaps improve the cc graph analysis we do
1605. # [12:54] <edmorley> agreed
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1616. # [13:03] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> edmorley: tree closure window comment done :)
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1718. # [14:46] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/d110d77fbd4a - Brad Lassey - Bug 890985 - Crash in nsStandardURL::SetSpec @ nsStandardURL::BuildNormalizedSpec. r=glandium, a=lsblakk
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1741. # [15:02] <Gijs> Wait, fx-team is still getting merged to m-c?
1742. # [15:02] * Gijs is so confused
1743. # [15:04] <RyanVM> just the stuff that already landed and stuck
1744. # [15:04] <RyanVM> nothing new landing there
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1746. # [15:04] <RyanVM> mainly to avoid merge conflicts later
1747. # [15:04] <Gijs> Ah, OK, that makes sense.
1748. # [15:04] * Gijs is still wondering if he should merge m-c to UX at this point
1749. # [15:05] <RyanVM> 13 patches in my inbound queue and 17 in my fx-team queue at this point
1750. # [15:05] <RyanVM> whee
1751. # [15:05] <Gijs> gkruitbosch-16516:ux gkruitbosch$ incoming-from-mc
1752. # [15:05] <Gijs> Incoming changes: 229
1753. # [15:05] <Gijs> Hrmpf.
1754. # [15:05] <Gijs> I should have done this before, clearly.
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1766. # [15:13] <bbondy> is the mk_add_options MOZ_MAKE_FLAGS="-j4" still applicable on Windows with mozmake?
1767. # [15:13] <bbondy> I think so but just checking
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1770. # [15:16] <Ms2ger> bbondy, I think so, yes, but note that ./mach build with pick -j<# of cores> by default
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1772. # [15:17] <bbondy> perfect thanks
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1784. # [15:23] <bbondy> Ms2ger: mach build with no arguments is the best way to pickup changes after changing your .mozconfig right?
1785. # [15:24] <Ms2ger> Hmm
1786. # [15:24] <bbondy> just doing a video on it so want to make sure I'm giving the best info :)
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1789. # [15:24] <Ms2ger> It's probably best to ./mach configure, if that doesn't happen by default
1790. # [15:24] <bbondy> I think that's included in the mach build
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1792. # [15:25] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> yeah i combine ./mach configure and ./mach build also when i changed something in my mozconfigs just to be safe :)
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1795. # [15:26] <bbondy> k I'll recommend doing both thanks
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1823. # [15:57] <bjacob__> still closed /o\
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1833. # [16:03] <Yoric> when running my iframe test.
1834. # [16:04] <Yoric> Is that me or is that known?
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1846. # [16:13] <RyanVM> in case anyone is wondering about the status of their checkin-needed, here are my landing queues: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=8e63bace72c9 (inbound) & https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=ae1e52b19061 (fx-team)
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1851. # [16:14] <froydnj> RyanVM++
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1855. # [16:15] <RyanVM> smaug: so that inbound push looks good
1856. # [16:16] <froydnj> RyanVM: that's "good" as "failure rate low enough or nonexistant that we can reopen"?
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1858. # [16:17] <RyanVM> I'd like some confirmation from those of you measuring memory usage that we're reasonably away from the edge of the cliff before reopening
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1864. # [16:26] <RyanVM> but really, the fact that we've hit this twice in the last few weeks tells me that we really need to get our house in order vs. just patching it up and moving on like last time
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1880. # [16:38] <RyanVM> decoder: ping
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1882. # [16:43] <vlad> Bas: fwiw -- I have had great success with mozmake + binaries target on windows. There's an issue potentially with using it to build tests due to pathnames, so I did a --disable-tests in my dev tree
1883. # [16:43] <vlad> Bas: but with the binaries target, I can make a change in gfx (either in moz2d or gfx) and get an (incremental) xul.dll rebuild in ~10s
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1885. # [16:43] <vlad> Bas: or a no-op build in 3s
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1888. # [16:46] <bjacob__> RyanVM: is there something that random devs like me can do to help?
1889. # [16:47] <RyanVM> bjacob__: better asked in #memshrink
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1901. # [16:54] <bjacob__> glandium: how do i tell mach bootstrap to stop recommending mesa? grep find no occurence of mesa under build/ .
1902. # [16:54] <bz> For a closed tree we're sure landing a bunch of stuff...
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1904. # [16:55] <RyanVM> bz: b-i is still open?
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1906. # [16:56] <Usul> I'm getting UAC pormpts on win7 when testing upgrades from TB 25 to tb26 - anybody knows where the logs fro the updaters are ? cc bbondy
1907. # [16:56] <bbondy> c:\programdata\mozilla\logs
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1909. # [16:57] <bbondy> Usul: I think there was a cert change recently CC bhearsum|buildduty, may be a problem if thunderbird is also not being signed with the newer cert.
1910. # [16:57] <bbondy> Usul: If you need a diff cert we can work that out in the registry in a way that won't break anything, but we'll cover that in the bug.
1911. # [16:58] <Usul> looking for logs now ta bbondy
1912. # [16:58] <bbondy> k thx, just cc me on the bug and we'll continue discussion there. When there's a cert check failure it will fall back to UAC prompts for updates, so I'm thinking that's what's happening.
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1945. # [17:19] <gfritzsche> do we have docs on chrome.ini/mochitest.ini? specifically can i restrict tests to specific platforms?
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1948. # [17:20] <@bsmedberg> gfritzsche: I believe so, grep for winnt
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1951. # [17:21] <@bsmedberg> gfritzsche: e.g. http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/caps/tests/mochitest/chrome.ini#4
1952. # [17:21] <gfritzsche> bsmedberg: ah, thanks
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1955. # [17:22] <RyanVM> gfritzsche: the syntax is the same as xpcshell AFAIK
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1959. # [17:24] <Ms2ger> gfritzsche, yes, actual docs too!
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1961. # [17:24] <Ms2ger> gfritzsche, https://ci.mozilla.org/job/mozilla-central-docs/Build_Documentation/test_manifests.html
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1964. # [17:26] <eis_os> What component does the print preview system belong to? Most stuff isn't touched since ages, and can't find a clear responsible. The Bundle in Bug 629500 is old aswell. The whole UI concept of PP is broken, you always get the PrintPreview of your last printout settings
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1966. # [17:26] <gfritzsche> Ms2ger: yay, real documentation!
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1970. # [17:27] <@smaug> eis_os: Core: Print Preview
1971. # [17:27] <@smaug> eis_os: assuming it isn't UI change
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1974. # [17:28] <@smaug> eis_os: feel free to fix the UI!
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1976. # [17:28] <@ehsan> bent: ping
1977. # [17:28] <bent> ehsan, hi
1978. # [17:28] * corey|away is now known as corey
1979. # [17:28] <@ehsan> bent: hey, quick question
1980. # [17:28] <@ehsan> do we need callstacks for our deadlock detector code?
1981. # [17:29] <@smaug> eis_os: I'd like to see a pp UI where we just open a new tab
1982. # [17:29] <@ehsan> I mean, do we need to call NS_DescribeCodeAddress on the stack frames?
1983. # [17:29] <bent> ehsan, trying to figure out deadlocks without stacks is pretty hard...
1984. # [17:29] <@smaug> eis_os: (we actually do that nowadays, but the UI is still the ancient per-window UI)
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1986. # [17:30] <@ehsan> bent: but we only need the symbolification if a deadlock actually occurs, right?
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1988. # [17:30] <bent> ehsan, maybe i don't understand your question
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1991. # [17:31] <@ehsan> bent: the issue I'm facing is that these days launching firefox debug builds on desktop takes about a minute or two for me
1992. # [17:31] <eis_os> @smaug: I thought about doing a new extension, but I don't think it's possible as extension to get the platform specific print dc.
1993. # [17:31] <@ehsan> it's unusably slow
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1995. # [17:31] <@ehsan> and we are spending all of our time calling NS_DescribeCodeAddress on the callstack frames for the deadlock detector
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1997. # [17:31] <shu> decoder: ping
1998. # [17:31] <@ehsan> and we're of course throwing away most of that information if not all
1999. # [17:31] <@smaug> eis_os: why you need dc?
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2002. # [17:32] <bent> ehsan, i think the deadlock detector grabs a stack the first time it sees a lock,
2003. # [17:32] <@ehsan> bent: see http://grab.by/s4hq
2004. # [17:32] <bent> and then it saves the most recent stack too
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2006. # [17:32] <@ehsan> right
2007. # [17:32] <@ehsan> but why does it need the symbolification?
2008. # [17:33] <bent> hm
2009. # [17:33] <@ehsan> aren't addresses enough?
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2011. # [17:33] <gwagner> RyanVM: ping
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2013. # [17:33] <bent> can you generate the stack from the address alone if we need it later?
2014. # [17:33] <RyanVM> gwagner: pong
2015. # [17:33] <@ehsan> bent: sure, you can call NS_DescribeCodeAddress later
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2018. # [17:34] <gwagner> RyanVM: hey! any idea why bug 920302 didn't get closed yet? It should have been merged to mc already
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2020. # [17:34] <bent> ehsan, i don't understand how that works...
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2024. # [17:36] <@ehsan> bent: I mean, one issue is that trace-malloc has a global bool telling it whether we should symbolify each frame or not
2025. # [17:36] <RyanVM> gwagner: looks like it somehow got missed when resolving bugs
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2027. # [17:36] <RyanVM> gwagner: wait
2028. # [17:36] <RyanVM> it has bug 904298 in the commit message
2029. # [17:36] <@ehsan> (the NS_TRACE_MALLOC_DISABLE_STACKS env variable)
2030. # [17:36] <RyanVM> any reason for that?
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2033. # [17:37] <eis_os> @smauq: as far as I read the code, the print / printpreview is doing some odd stuff, the printsettings-service is in gfx, a lot of code depends in writing and reading to the prefs
2034. # [17:37] <gwagner> reuben: ping
2035. # [17:37] <botond> Hey, does anybody know if there's a way to write a "bugs I recently reviewed" search query for bugzilla?
2036. # [17:37] <gwagner> RyanVM: I guess copy and paste mistake
2037. # [17:37] <RyanVM> gwagner: that would do it...
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2041. # [17:39] <RyanVM> gwagner: please add a note to bug 904298 and resolve the other bug
2042. # [17:41] <gwagner> RyanVM: ok I added a note in the other bug. can you set the right flags if needed in bug 920302?
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2045. # [17:42] <RyanVM> sure
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2047. # [17:42] <RyanVM> gwagner: i'll change the bug # on the uplift too
2048. # [17:43] <gwagner> RyanVM: thanks!
2049. # [17:43] <RyanVM> mmm, conflicts
2050. # [17:43] <reuben> gwagner: pong
2051. # [17:44] <reuben> RyanVM: the original patch was in the other bug, I split bugs and forgot to update patch message, sorry about that
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2054. # [17:45] <Waldo> Ms2ger: can you tell me more about how build docs are being auto-generated from the tree, exactly? that's kind of the holy grail lots of people want, didn't know anyone actually had a setup for it (however hackish) working
2055. # [17:46] <@smaug> !ted
2056. # [17:46] <@smaug> !seen ted
2057. # [17:46] <@killer> ted is on the channel right now!
2058. # [17:46] <firebot> ted was last seen 18 hours, 34 minutes and 25 seconds ago, saying 'i'd like to see if it makes sense to do things like integrate the jit-crash-categorize stuff' in #breakpad.
2059. # [17:46] <@smaug> ted: ping
2060. # [17:46] <Ms2ger> Waldo, no, I can't :)
2061. # [17:46] <Ms2ger> Waldo, but gps can
2062. # [17:46] <Waldo> gps: ^ elucidate the above! :-)
2063. # [17:47] <Ms2ger> Waldo, I think "Sphinx" was the tool?
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2065. # [17:48] <Waldo> hmm, I didn't know there were two of sfink, let alone that they had time to do doc-generation script hacking
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2067. # [17:51] <sfink> if you have a problem that you need to get another sfink to fix, you're just gonna end up with two problems
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2069. # [17:51] <RyanVM> gwagner: reuben: please sanity check this before I push? Had to fix up conflicts in Notification.cpp, Notification.h, and nsAlertsService.cpp - https://www.pastebin.mozilla.org/3610304
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2071. # [17:53] <RyanVM> gwagner: reuben: btw, the indentation on that second hunk in Notification.cpp looks weird to me
2072. # [17:53] <reuben> RyanVM: LGTM, other than the indentation issue
2073. # [17:53] <RyanVM> reuben: i went with how it was indented on m-c, fwiw
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2075. # [17:54] <reuben> ah
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2077. # [17:54] <reuben> RyanVM: feel free to fix it in the uplift, I'll fix it on central
2078. # [17:54] <RyanVM> reuben: k
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2135. # [18:29] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/8785dac97882 - Ryan VanderMeulen - Bug 914401 - Skip browser_toolbox_raise.js on Windows due to frequent failures.
2136. # [18:30] <nemo> heh
2137. # [18:30] <nemo> Clicked on a link to an flv in view:source . Appears to have tried to render it instead of download it
2138. # [18:30] <nemo> view source window has gone completely unresponsive
2139. # [18:30] <nemo> if I interact w/ it at all it freezes firefox for a couple of minutes
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2145. # [18:35] <nemo> copying the link and pasting it into location bar is fine ofc
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2147. # [18:35] <nemo> but. yeah. non-optimal behaviour IMo
2148. # [18:35] <nemo> IMO
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2189. # [18:56] <ejpbruel> bsmedberg: ping
2190. # [18:56] <@bsmedberg> ejpbruel: pong
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2194. # [18:57] <jryans> is there a good way to copy a fixed amount (not all) of an nsIInputStream to an output stream?
2195. # [18:57] <ejpbruel> bsmedberg: actually, nm for now. might have made a mistake
2196. # [18:57] <ejpbruel> sorry
2197. # [18:58] <@ehsan> hmm
2198. # [18:58] <@ehsan> what is the correct way of writing this?
2199. # [18:58] <@ehsan> nsTArray<x> GetFoo() { nsTArray<x> foo; return foo; }
2200. # [18:59] <@ehsan> the nsTArray's copy ctor is explicit...
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2202. # [18:59] <Ms2ger> void GetFoo(nsTArray<X>& aFoo) { ... }
2203. # [18:59] <@bsmedberg> ehsan: we really need a move constructor for that to work properly
2204. # [18:59] <@bsmedberg> otherwise, what Ms2ger said
2205. # [18:59] <@ehsan> bsmedberg: shall I write one?
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2208. # [18:59] <@bsmedberg> We agreed we can use move constructors nowadays, right?
2209. # [18:59] <@bsmedberg> If so, sure
2210. # [18:59] <dholbert> bsmedberg, so return-value-optimization doesn't help us there?
2211. # [18:59] <@ehsan> yeah
2212. # [19:00] <dholbert> bsmedberg, (because we have to invoke the copy constructor, since it's got an explicit one?)
2213. # [19:00] <@bsmedberg> dholbert: I don't think so with the explicit constructor
2214. # [19:00] <dholbert> ok
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2219. # [19:01] <@ehsan> bsmedberg: should I use SwapArrayElements ?
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2223. # [19:02] <@ehsan> nm
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2226. # [19:03] <bjacob__> the build is broken for me on ubuntu 12.04, bug 939158, am i alone?
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2228. # [19:03] <RyanVM> reuben: ping
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2236. # [19:11] <RyanVM> gwagner: b-i mochitest orange
2237. # [19:12] <rmkoesters> ls
2238. # [19:12] <RyanVM> gwagner: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=30603069&tree=B2g-Inbound
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2240. # [19:12] <rmkoesters> crap, wrong window
2241. # [19:12] <@dolske> hmm
2242. # [19:12] <@dolske> usually someone replies with a directory listing.
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2244. # [19:12] <@dolske> maybe firebot should do that...
2245. # [19:12] <RyanVM> bjacob__: suspicious-looking OSX crashes on b-i
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2248. # [19:12] <bjacob__> RyanVM: looking
2249. # [19:13] <RyanVM> bjacob__: they're on the push after yours due to coalescing
2250. # [19:13] <RyanVM> and they're hitting on other pushes too
2251. # [19:13] <RyanVM> and the JP looks to be yours as well
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2253. # [19:13] <RyanVM> actually, I bet the M1 failure above is yours too
2254. # [19:13] <bjacob__> RyanVM: here is my try run https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=f973086e453d
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2257. # [19:14] <RyanVM> hmm
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2259. # [19:15] <bjacob__> RyanVM: i agree that nsWindowWatcher does sound like me; maybe i didn't rev all the UUID's that i should have?
2260. # [19:15] <bjacob__> let me ask
2261. # [19:15] <RyanVM> needs-clobber fail
2262. # [19:15] <bjacob__> bsmedberg: ping, for my nsWindowWatch patch, the only IID that I updated was the one in the idl file, should i have updated anything else?
2263. # [19:16] <bjacob__> bsmedberg: here is the cset as it landed https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/b2g-inbound/rev/c50ed59b010f
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2265. # [19:18] <bjacob__> bsmedberg: dxr doesn't find any other occurrence of 0x002286a8...
2266. # [19:18] <bjacob__> RyanVM: do IID changes require a clobber in general?
2267. # [19:18] <RyanVM> bjacob__: in general, no
2268. # [19:18] <RyanVM> the build system should detect a changed UUID
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2270. # [19:18] <@ehsan> bjacob__: you should have rev'ed http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/embedding/components/windowwatcher/public/nsIWindowWatcher.idl#39
2271. # [19:19] <@ehsan> (please do that now)
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2273. # [19:19] <bjacob__> ehsan: ooh!
2274. # [19:19] <bjacob__> RyanVM: give me 30 sec!!
2275. # [19:19] <bjacob__> ehsan: thanks!!
2276. # [19:19] <@ehsan> bjacob__: actually, I think we should remove NS_WINDOWWATCHER_IID
2277. # [19:19] <@ehsan> that's stupid
2278. # [19:20] <@bsmedberg> bjacob__: that's totally wird
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2280. # [19:20] <@bsmedberg> yeah, the bottom IID shouldn't be there at all
2281. # [19:20] <@ehsan> er wait
2282. # [19:20] <@ehsan> that's NS_WINDOWWATCHER_IID not NS_IWINDOWWATCHER_IID
2283. # [19:21] <@ehsan> and nobody seems to be using it anyway
2284. # [19:22] <bjacob__> ehsan: removing it
2285. # [19:22] <@ehsan> ty
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2291. # [19:25] <Optimizer> qnyone has any idea why this (http://pastebin.mozilla.org/3610498) would give error that secondFooBar().then is not a function ?
2292. # [19:25] <bjacob__> RyanVM: ehsan: pushed on CLOSED TREE
2293. # [19:26] <RyanVM> bjacob__: thanks
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2295. # [19:26] <bjacob__> oh
2296. # [19:26] <bjacob__> anothe bustage fix coming
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2302. # [19:32] <bjacob__> (pushed)
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2309. # [19:37] <Ms2ger> !seen ted
2310. # [19:37] <firebot> ted was last seen 20 hours, 25 minutes and 54 seconds ago, saying 'i'd like to see if it makes sense to do things like integrate the jit-crash-categorize stuff' in #breakpad.
2311. # [19:37] <Ms2ger> Bah
2312. # [19:38] <RyanVM> bjacob__: i'll reopen b-i when tip goes green
2313. # [19:38] <RyanVM> but there are green clobber builds, so I'm optimistic :)
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2317. # [19:39] <bjacob__> RyanVM: ouch, that will take hours :-( i'm very sorry.
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2319. # [19:39] <RyanVM> bjacob__: shouldn't be too bad
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2321. # [19:40] <bjacob__> i'm glad the new DOM bindings dont have uuids
2322. # [19:40] <RyanVM> no, they're just worse for random needs-clobber bustage :P
2323. # [19:40] <RyanVM> bjacob__: bit confused on your reply to bug 936864
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2326. # [19:41] <Optimizer> !seen anyoneWhoCanHelpMeWithMyPromiseIssue
2327. # [19:41] <firebot> I've never seen an 'anyoneWhoCanHelpMeWithMyPromiseIssue', sorry.
2328. # [19:41] <Optimizer> :(
2329. # [19:41] <RyanVM> bjacob__: what's "this" in that context?
2330. # [19:41] <RyanVM> bjacob__: given that there's no B2G development on Aurora at the moment
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2342. # [19:46] <alagenchev> does anyone know how to create a JSObject from array of strings?
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2362. # [19:59] <jaws> dougt: great picture huh? :D
2363. # [19:59] <dougt> i couldn't do better. :)
2364. # [20:00] <jaws> :)
2365. # [20:00] <bjacob__> RyanVM: i think you want BenWa, not me
2366. # [20:01] <RyanVM> bjacob__: doh
2367. # [20:01] <RyanVM> oh well, I repliedin the bug anyway
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2372. # [20:04] <bjacob__> RyanVM: why are some build on my _newer_ b-i push reported as cancelled on tbpl? I thought i had only cancelled builds of the previous bad push
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2374. # [20:05] <RyanVM> coalescing
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2382. # [20:12] <jmaher> what platforms have the biggest problem with OOM? is it b-c mostly?
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2385. # [20:13] <nalexander> jmaher: hey, do you have a second to answer Q's about Android test harnesses?
2386. # [20:13] <nalexander> jmaher: I want to write something like robocop, but with less mochitest baggage.
2387. # [20:13] <@ted> smaug, ms2ger: sorry, i'm in PDT this week
2388. # [20:13] <jmaher> nalexander: yeah, just a few
2389. # [20:13] <@ted> also i've been in brainstorming meetings
2390. # [20:13] <@ted> what's up?
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2392. # [20:14] <nalexander> jmaher: I'd really like to avoid the mochitest log parsing. And I know ateam has been doing work to do machine readable logging.
2393. # [20:14] <jmaher> nalexander: robocop is the baggage- mochitest doesn't do much in regards to runtime, etc..
2394. # [20:14] <Ms2ger> ted, I figured it out now, and it turns out the manifestdestiny skip-if stuff is insane
2395. # [20:14] <Ms2ger> ted, see #build
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2397. # [20:14] <@smaug> ted: there is one patch in your review queue
2398. # [20:14] <nalexander> jmaher: is there an example of how that works? A suite using the new log stuff?
2399. # [20:14] <jmaher> nalexander: oh, I haven't been working on the machine readable stuff
2400. # [20:14] <@ted> Ms2ger: don't think i'm in #build right now
2401. # [20:14] <@ted> smaug: okay, which one?
2402. # [20:14] <@smaug> ted: about gc/cc during tests
2403. # [20:14] <jmaher> nalexander: I am not sure, I think xpcshell uses it now
2404. # [20:14] <Ms2ger> ted, okay, what does |skip-if = !crashreporter || os != "win"| mean? :)
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2406. # [20:15] <@smaug> so I landed one patch, but it runs gc/cc only in mochitests
2407. # [20:15] <nalexander> jmaher: neat.
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2409. # [20:15] <@smaug> ted: this new approach runs gc/cc at the end up mochitest/chrome/browser-chrome
2410. # [20:15] <@ted> ok
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2412. # [20:15] <nalexander> jmaher: so are there any changes to robocop test harness in the works that I should know about? It seems to not be following modern best practices but I see no better examples.
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2420. # [20:18] <jmaher> nalexander: not sure I understand- it was written 2+ years ago and the harness has been stable
2421. # [20:18] <jmaher> nalexander: as far as i know there are no big changes, but gbrown might know more
2422. # [20:19] <nalexander> jmaher: that answers the question -- no rewrite planned, and I can use this as a base. Thanks!
2423. # [20:19] <jmaher> cool
2424. # [20:19] <jmaher> looking forward to what you come up with
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2433. # [20:23] <Ms2ger> http://i.imgur.com/FeYn6Hf.jpg
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2460. # [20:36] <jcranmer> Waldo: ping
2461. # [20:37] <Waldo> jcranmer: pong
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2464. # [20:38] <jcranmer> Waldo: looking at MFBT, I see it's missing a hashtable implementation
2465. # [20:39] <jcranmer> Waldo: is there any good reason to not move the js::Hashtable stuff to MFBT?
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2471. # [20:42] <@bz> js::Hashtable is interesting
2472. # [20:42] <@bz> it's very inlined
2473. # [20:42] <@bz> not great for codesize
2474. # [20:42] <Waldo> jcranmer: aside from the likelihood of template explosion due to instantiation with many different types, and no real work done as yet to share binary-compatible method implementations/instantiations, probably not a whole lot
2475. # [20:42] <@bz> So not a one-size-fits-all solution
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2477. # [20:43] <lsblakk> clokep: pong
2478. # [20:43] <jcranmer> trying to move mozilla::Mutex et al to MFBT requires the leak and the deadlock detectors, which both require a hashtable
2479. # [20:43] <clokep> lsblakk: So I see you've made a bunch of the recent commits on bztools, could I ask you a couple of (probably stupid) questions about it?
2480. # [20:43] <lsblakk> clokep: sure
2481. # [20:43] <clokep> lsblakk: So is there a way to create a new bug from scratch using that library or only to modify existing bugs?
2482. # [20:44] <hub> jcranmer: I guess it is really time for the other MFBT ;-)
2483. # [20:44] <lsblakk> clokep: only reading bugs, not even altering them
2484. # [20:44] <clokep> lsblakk: How hard would it be for me to add support for that?
2485. # [20:44] <Waldo> jcranmer: are you aware of bug 773491?
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2487. # [20:45] <clokep> Ah well it can add attachments, that's kind of modifying. :-D
2488. # [20:45] <@ted> smaug: r+ed btw
2489. # [20:45] <@smaug> ted: thanks
2490. # [20:45] <@smaug> ted: I'm waiting for try results
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2493. # [20:45] <jcranmer> Waldo: yes, I'm aware of it
2494. # [20:46] <Waldo> jcranmer: in principle I see no reason we couldn't move it, just may be tricky; also I dunno just how much any more JS people feel frequent need to keep tweaking it to handle things like movability and such, for GC
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2498. # [20:46] <jcranmer> Waldo: I have another bug where I added really thin wrappers around NSPR primitives
2499. # [20:47] <lsblakk> clokep: i don't think it can add attachments
2500. # [20:47] <jcranmer> which has a f? awaiting you on it
2501. # [20:47] <clokep> lsblakk: https://github.com/mozilla/bztools/blob/master/scripts/attach.py is an entire script to add attachments.
2502. # [20:47] <lsblakk> ooh - the scripts, sure
2503. # [20:47] <lsblakk> ya, you could write a separate script
2504. # [20:47] <Waldo> yeah, my request queue is 18 deep right now, trying to trim it to size today :-\
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2506. # [20:47] <lsblakk> to do anything
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2508. # [20:47] <jcranmer> (it also uses std::chrono::duration)
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2510. # [20:48] <clokep> lsblakk: Maybe I'm misunderstanding some of the design of that code...but why is there a separate "AttachmentAgent" that's not just part of the BugzillaAgent?
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2514. # [20:48] <lsblakk> clokep: so that part is before my time - i mostly used it to write the nag script and add phonebook data gathering
2515. # [20:49] <clokep> lsblakk: OK. :) Just figured I'd ask...and I couldn't find LegNeato's IRC handle (or he's not online). :)
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2517. # [20:49] <lsblakk> clokep: i don't see at a glance why you'd store credentials separately for AttachmentAgent
2518. # [20:49] <lsblakk> clokep: try @LegNeato on twitter
2519. # [20:49] <@ted> smaug: would be nice to move that "gc 3 times" logic down into domwindowutils or something, but that's just a nice to have
2520. # [20:49] <lsblakk> or facebook
2521. # [20:49] <@ted> heh
2522. # [20:49] <clokep> lsblakk: Thanks for the help! :)
2523. # [20:50] <lsblakk> np
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2557. # [21:19] <@ehsan> spohl: ping
2558. # [21:19] <spohl> ehsan: pong
2559. # [21:19] <@ehsan> spohl: hey! do you know about the bug where we temporarily show the contents of a closed tab when you open a link from another application?
2560. # [21:19] <@ehsan> (on mac)
2561. # [21:20] <@ehsan> I think this is regressed by the swipe animation stuff
2562. # [21:20] <spohl> ehsan: never heard of it
2563. # [21:20] <spohl> ehsan: that wouldn't be ideal, to say the least
2564. # [21:20] <@ehsan> spohl: ok I'll file it
2565. # [21:20] <@ehsan> yep, it's not :)
2566. # [21:21] <spohl> ehsan: what makes you think it came back with swipe animations?
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2569. # [21:21] <@ehsan> spohl: that's the only code which snapshots the whole content area isn't it? :)
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2571. # [21:21] <@ehsan> also, I've seen this since the swipe animations landed
2572. # [21:22] <spohl> ehsan: I guess that's true. just wondering if it could be actual content of a window, rather than a snapshot
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2574. # [21:22] <@ehsan> no, it's the contents of a closed tab
2575. # [21:22] <spohl> ehsan: right, I just wonder if what you're seeing is the encoded image that we took for swipe animations, or the actual html content of the window
2576. # [21:22] <spohl> if that makes sense
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2578. # [21:23] <RyanVM|afk> current checkin-needed queue if anyone's interested: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=d5846e32555f (inbound) - https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=6b6191a8f09f (fx-team)
2579. # [21:23] <@ehsan> spohl: that's a very difficult question to answer
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2581. # [21:23] <@ehsan> spohl: but my guess is the former
2582. # [21:23] <@ehsan> spohl: since the tab itself is closed
2583. # [21:23] <RyanVM|afk> nice, I'm in the "changesets omitted" category now for my inbound queue
2584. # [21:23] <spohl> ehsan: okay. please CC me on the bug and I'll take a look
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2586. # [21:24] <spohl> ehsan: thanks for caring and filing the bug. :-)
2587. # [21:24] <@ehsan> will do
2588. # [21:25] <RyanVM|afk> spohl: got yours lined up and waiting :)
2589. # [21:25] <froydnj> ted: if you can look at the review I tossed in your queue, I think that might be the last bit required for re-opening the tree
2590. # [21:25] <froydnj> unless RyanVM|afk really wants the same stats in browser-chrome tests right now
2591. # [21:25] <RyanVM|afk> ?
2592. # [21:25] <spohl> RyanVM|afk: no rush. I just wanted to make sure they didn't get forgotten with tree closures etc. :-)
2593. # [21:25] <@ted> ok
2594. # [21:25] <@ehsan> spohl: 939242
2595. # [21:25] <@ted> waiting for jhford to finish something to go to lunch anyway
2596. # [21:25] <@ehsan> RyanVM|afk: why, are we going to reopen?
2597. # [21:26] <froydnj> RyanVM|afk: bug 939137 has patches for printing memory stats following each mochitest
2598. # [21:26] <spohl> RyanVM|afk: thank you though!
2599. # [21:26] <froydnj> RyanVM|afk: but not for browser-chrome
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2601. # [21:26] <@bz> gps: are you around?
2602. # [21:26] * @bz guesses no
2603. # [21:26] <RyanVM|afk> froydnj: that sounds importantn
2604. # [21:26] <RyanVM|afk> ehsan: so they're ready to push as soon as the tree reopens
2605. # [21:26] <RyanVM|afk> and don't bust the tree in th eprocess
2606. # [21:26] <@ehsan> I see
2607. # [21:27] * @ehsan has his own checkin-needed queue
2608. # [21:27] <@ehsan> 12 patches so far
2609. # [21:27] <@bz> oh, are we reopening the tree?
2610. # [21:27] <@ehsan> what could possibly go wrong ;)
2611. # [21:27] * @bz gets ready
2612. # [21:27] <RyanVM|afk> pfft, rookie
2613. # [21:27] <@ehsan> bz: no
2614. # [21:27] <@ehsan> well
2615. # [21:27] <spohl> ehsan: thanks! should be able to take a look later today, Monday at the latest
2616. # [21:27] <@ehsan> some day, maybe
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2618. # [21:27] <RyanVM|afk> ehsan: 23 in the inbound queue, 18 in fx-team :D
2619. # [21:27] <@ehsan> spohl: cool, sorry I didn't file it earlier
2620. # [21:27] <@bz> mmm, 170 new changes
2621. # [21:27] <@bz> on a closed tree
2622. # [21:27] <@bz> nice. ;)
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2624. # [21:27] <RyanVM|afk> bz: see my last response to you on that
2625. # [21:27] <@ehsan> RyanVM|afk: well, my queue consists of only my changes :)
2626. # [21:28] <@bz> RyanVM|afk: hmm?
2627. # [21:28] <RyanVM|afk> bz: when you mentioned that earlier
2628. # [21:28] <RyanVM|afk> b-i is still open
2629. # [21:28] <@bz> Ah
2630. # [21:28] <RyanVM|afk> and it was merged around
2631. # [21:28] <@bz> "why"? ;)
2632. # [21:28] <@bz> In any case
2633. # [21:28] <RyanVM|afk> and there have been some OOM stuff landing on m-i
2634. # [21:28] <@bz> right
2635. # [21:28] <@bz> Those I expected
2636. # [21:28] <RyanVM|afk> bz: because B2G/Android have nothing to do with this closure?
2637. # [21:28] <@bz> just not 170 changesets worth
2638. # [21:29] <spohl> ehsan: were you saying that there was an earlier bug with this problem that got fixed at some point?
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2641. # [21:29] <RyanVM|afk> b-i didn't get merged for over a day
2642. # [21:29] <@bz> ah, the OOM doesn't affect them?
2643. # [21:29] <RyanVM|afk> most of those were Pushbot
2644. # [21:29] <RyanVM|afk> nope
2645. # [21:29] <@bz> ok
2646. # [21:29] <@bz> Carry on, then. ;)
2647. # [21:29] <RyanVM|afk> k ;)
2648. # [21:30] <@ehsan> spohl: no, I just incorrectly assumed someone else has filed this!
2649. # [21:31] <@ted> froydnj: r+
2650. # [21:31] <spohl> ehsan: oh okay. thanks
2651. # [21:31] <froydnj> ted: \o/
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2653. # [21:31] * @ted lunch
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2655. # [21:32] <@ehsan> spohl|away: oh still here?
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2657. # [21:32] <@ehsan> spohl|away: I'll file another bug
2658. # [21:32] <spohl|away> ehsan: yup, for a minute or so
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2660. # [21:33] <@ehsan> spohl|away: nm, we'll talk in bugzilla :)
2661. # [21:33] <spohl|away> ehsan: sounds good, thanks! :-)
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2663. # [21:33] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/86cf2e690f90 - Nathan Froyd - Bug 939137 - part 2 - display memory statistics following each mochitest; r=ted
2664. # [21:33] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/b3995a14d968 - Nathan Froyd - Bug 939137 - part 1 - add largestContiguousVMBlock attribute to nsIMemoryReporterManager; r=bsmedberg
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2667. # [21:34] <@bsmedberg> how did froydnj push those without a CLOSED TREE message?
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2669. # [21:34] <froydnj> froydnj fact: froydnj pushes on CLOSED TREE without including CLOSED TREE in his commit
2670. # [21:35] <@bsmedberg> oh, I see, it's in a subsequent line
2671. # [21:35] <@bsmedberg> the mystery is gone
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2711. # [22:04] <WeirdAl> Yoric: ping
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2714. # [22:06] <BenWa> dholbert: Any tips on tracking this down? https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=939260
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2718. # [22:07] <dholbert> BenWa, which part of the profile there should I be looking at?
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2720. # [22:08] <BenWa> dholbert: There's a long layout::Flush (Flush_Style) but the profile wont really tell you more then that
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2722. # [22:08] <dholbert> BenWa, (at a talk that just started; can't dig in too much right now)
2723. # [22:08] <BenWa> dholbert: How do I find what causing the flush to take so long. I'm assuming it's a bad piece of JS
2724. # [22:08] <BenWa> ohh, np
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2727. # [22:11] <dholbert> BenWa, (presumably there are just a lot of queued style changes and/or style changes to an ancestor that has lots of descendants)
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2729. # [22:11] <dholbert> BenWa, (the latter class of issue is sort of addressed by bug 862276)
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2731. # [22:12] * WeirdAl needs a deeper discussion on OS.File
2732. # [22:12] <BenWa> Right. I'ld like to find how I can modify the app to avoid it. It's not doing anything complicated and the styles aren't really changing
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2734. # [22:13] <dholbert> BenWa, perhaps a pseudoclass is being added or removed, which rewrites all of the style? I don't really know what sort of change is happening
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2736. # [22:13] <BenWa> dholbert: How do I debug and find what in the app is triggering it?
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2742. # [22:14] <dholbert> BenWa, if it were me, I'd use sysprof to get finer-grained insight into that style flush
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2744. # [22:14] <dholbert> but I guess we don't have that on devices (but maybe you can run it in the emulator?)
2745. # [22:14] <BenWa> dholbert: I could get a profile with unwinds. Will the full stack help here?
2746. # [22:15] <dholbert> BenWa, I think so, yeah
2747. # [22:15] <bkelly> BenWa, is that only when the page is first opened?
2748. # [22:15] <BenWa> Or I can attach a debugger and inspect something if I know what to look for
2749. # [22:15] <BenWa> bkelly: No, clicking on 'Sound' in Settings does something like this
2750. # [22:15] <BenWa> it's always fairly delayed. Like 200ms-ish
2751. # [22:15] <bkelly> BenWa, ah
2752. # [22:15] <BenWa> I think simple gaia changes could bring this way down
2753. # [22:16] <bkelly> BenWa, because I think when we first open a sub-page in settings it dynamically "loads" its html
2754. # [22:16] <BenWa> its still slow after
2755. # [22:16] <bkelly> BenWa, ok
2756. # [22:16] <BenWa> at least on the nexus 7
2757. # [22:17] <BenWa> hamachi too
2758. # [22:17] <bkelly> BenWa, you could ask kgrandon... I think he is familiar with that code
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2760. # [22:18] <BenWa> bkelly: Well in the process i'm trying to make it easier to diagnose long flushes because currently its very difficult
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2762. # [22:18] <BenWa> with a better tool there we can inspect gaia and fix the worse offenders
2763. # [22:18] <bkelly> BenWa, that would be nice :-)
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2766. # [22:19] <@smaug> what is crashinjectdll.cpp
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2768. # [22:19] <bent> smaug, i think it's how we kill hung processes on tinderbox
2769. # [22:20] <@smaug> ah
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2782. # [22:30] <WeirdAl> Does anyone know of a "When to use workers and when not to" document?
2783. # [22:30] <WeirdAl> (chrome workers, OS.File come to mind)
2784. # [22:32] <@bz> If you can get them to work for free, use workers.
2785. # [22:32] <@bz> Otherwise, outsource.
2786. # [22:32] <Ms2ger> 1. Loan a slave
2787. # [22:32] <WeirdAl> ??????
2788. # [22:32] <Ms2ger> 2. ???
2789. # [22:32] <Ms2ger> 3. Profit
2790. # [22:32] <@bz> ms2ger: precisely.
2791. # [22:33] <WeirdAl> as often as I use wry humor in IRC and appreciate it when it's applied to me, these answers aren't particularly helpful :)
2792. # [22:33] <@bz> They weren't meant to be, sorry. ;)
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2797. # [22:39] <froydnj> KWierso: RyanVM|afk: do you know who's unofficially sheriffing atm?
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2799. # [22:39] <RyanVM|afk> froydnj: KWierso
2800. # [22:39] <RyanVM|afk> i'm about to start making dinner
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2804. # [22:40] <froydnj> RyanVM|afk: real sheriffs star with one hand and drink beer with the other
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2806. # [22:40] <dholbert> BenWa, BTW I'm still a bit of a newbie on usage of our profiler -- where do you see the layout::flush (Flush_Style) in the profile in https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=939260 ?
2807. # [22:40] <KWierso> froydnj: you called?
2808. # [22:40] <RyanVM|afk> froydnj: i haz no beer :(
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2810. # [22:41] <froydnj> KWierso: I think once things go green on inbound tip, we can reopen the tree
2811. # [22:41] <dholbert> BenWa, I see the big "Layout" bar at the beginning, but if I select that region and drill down, I only see Compositor stuff
2812. # [22:41] <BenWa> dholbert: You have to click on GeckoMain otherwise your looking at the compositor
2813. # [22:41] <dholbert> BenWa, where?
2814. # [22:41] <froydnj> KWierso: we have some monitoring, and I'm going to work on the rest next week if somebody doesn't beat me to it
2815. # [22:41] <dholbert> BenWa, if I double-click GeckoMain, it just selects the text
2816. # [22:42] <froydnj> KWierso: I think shu has or will have some tools for graphing the monitoring log output
2817. # [22:42] <dholbert> doesn't change the function listing
2818. # [22:42] <BenWa> dholbert: one moment
2819. # [22:42] <dholbert> k
2820. # [22:42] <RyanVM|afk> froydnj: where is said information being reported?
2821. # [22:42] <froydnj> KWierso: and the failure rate of the OOM tests is at least back to normal levels
2822. # [22:42] * RyanVM|afk doesn't see a tinderboxprint on the finished runs
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2824. # [22:42] <froydnj> RyanVM|afk: mochitest (plain) logs only
2825. # [22:43] <Waldo> wchen, mrbkap: https://pastebin.mozilla.org/3611595 :-) so basically drop ball except for retaken PKs and placement at the edge of the goal area if necessary
2826. # [22:43] <mrbkap> Waldo: I am disappointed that the cause is not mentioned.
2827. # [22:43] <mrbkap> Waldo: IMO, if it's punctured by somebody's hair, they deserve some sort of reward.
2828. # [22:44] <froydnj> RyanVM|afk: do you want it tinderboxprint'd?
2829. # [22:44] <RyanVM|afk> froydnj: depends on how you're expecting it to be monitored
2830. # [22:45] <Waldo> mrbkap: for such a sharp play, definitely
2831. # [22:45] <froydnj> RyanVM|afk: mmm
2832. # [22:45] <RyanVM|afk> MEMORY STAT vsize after test: 3765137408
2833. # [22:45] <RyanVM|afk> coooool
2834. # [22:45] <RyanVM|afk> and scary
2835. # [22:45] <BenWa> dholbert: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/10523664/select.gif
2836. # [22:45] <RyanVM|afk> osx 10.6 debug m4
2837. # [22:46] <BenWa> dholbert: So you click on the timeline there, it goes up to flush_style which takes about 60ms
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2839. # [22:47] <froydnj> that's...pretty high
2840. # [22:47] <RyanVM|afk> froydnj: sheesh, maybe that's why OSX has so many mochitest timeouts
2841. # [22:47] <dholbert> BenWa, ahh, ok
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2844. # [22:47] <dholbert> BenWa, got it, thanks
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2846. # [22:48] <froydnj> RyanVM|afk: well, heck, it starts at 3.4GB
2847. # [22:49] <RyanVM|afk> froydnj: that's awful
2848. # [22:49] <Yoric> WeirdAl: pong
2849. # [22:49] <mccr8> RyanVM|afk: froydnj: vsize on OSX is just screwy, don't pay too much attention to it
2850. # [22:49] <jesup> ted: ping
2851. # [22:50] <RyanVM|afk> mccr8: ok
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2853. # [22:50] <froydnj> I don't think it'd be too hard to tinderboxprint the max of whatever we're printing out already
2854. # [22:50] <mccr8> "This figure is of limited use on Mac, where processes share huge amounts of memory with one another."
2855. # [22:51] <mccr8> (that's from the about:memory description of vsize)
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2892. # [23:07] <KWierso> froydnj: uh...
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2894. # [23:07] <mccr8> froydnj: Moth doesn't look so good on your push...
2895. # [23:07] <KWierso> did you just break m-oth?
2896. # [23:08] <shu> KWierso: froydnj: i will have a visualizer after the weekend
2897. # [23:08] <shu> KWierso: froydnj: i have existing plans today that might prevent me from getting much work done
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2909. # [23:15] <johns> bsmedberg: I'm seeing a lot of flash hangs with nested NPP_SetWindow -- has anyone looked into those?
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2915. # [23:18] <jorendorff> stupid question of the day: does addEventListener create a weak reference (in the GC sense, not the XPCOM sense)?
2916. # [23:20] <WeirdAl> hi Yoric - a followup, you said to reach out to you about writing to OS.File at shutdown
2917. # [23:20] <mbrubeck> jorendorff: reference to the listener? No, I think it's strong.
2918. # [23:21] <jorendorff> mbrubeck: thank you
2919. # [23:21] <mbrubeck> given that we pass anonymous functions all the time, like addEventListener("foo", event => whatever())
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2921. # [23:22] <bent> for DOM it's always strong
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2933. # [23:26] <@smaug> jorendorff: yes, DOM is always strong
2934. # [23:26] <@smaug> which is why I'm very surprised that some JS lang devs want weak refs
2935. # [23:26] <KWierso> froydnj: ping?
2936. # [23:27] <dholbert> froydnj / KWierso, It's the call to SpecialPowers.Cc that's failing, here: https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/86cf2e690f90#l1.44
2937. # [23:27] <jorendorff> @smaug: no JS engine devs want weak refs, and i'm currently involved in an exciting discussion about whether they are desirable even from a user perspective
2938. # [23:28] <dholbert> which calls "wrapPrivileged()" which (according to the logs) is undefined
2939. # [23:28] <@smaug> dholbert: ho ho, it was me going crazy. I wondered why I couldn't run chrome tests locally
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2941. # [23:28] <dholbert> smaug, did you pull very recently?
2942. # [23:28] <@smaug> yes
2943. # [23:28] <dholbert> smaug, I'm talking about the current Moth bustage on M-i
2944. # [23:28] <dholbert> ok
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2946. # [23:29] <@smaug> jorendorff: I said JS lang devs ;)
2947. # [23:29] <@smaug> I know JS eng devs may not want weak refs
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2951. # [23:30] <KWierso> dholbert: any ideas on a fix? :)
2952. # [23:30] <shu> jorendorff: we also have a very unique use case fo weak refs
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2954. # [23:31] <dholbert> KWierso, not yet
2955. # [23:31] <jorendorff> shu: tell me about it
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2957. # [23:31] <jorendorff> shu: or send email
2958. # [23:31] <dholbert> KWierso, this code is foreign to me; just trying to figure out what I can
2959. # [23:31] <shu> jorendorff: shumway represents ActionScript objects as JS objects
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2961. # [23:31] <shu> jorendorff: without being able to hook into the GC, it makes things... harder
2962. # [23:31] <shu> jorendorff: or leaky
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2964. # [23:31] <shu> jorendorff: yeah i'll tell mbx to write one
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2966. # [23:31] <shu> jorendorff: or maybe till mentioned it...
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2971. # [23:32] <terrence> yeah, till mentioned it
2972. # [23:32] <jorendorff> shu: till mentioned it, if you mean the fact that ActionScript has weakrefs :)
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2975. # [23:33] <froydnj> KWierso: argh, I hate m-oth
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2978. # [23:34] <froydnj> KWierso: I don't have time to fix; I think the right thing is |var Cc = SpecialPowers ? SpecialPowers.Cc : Components.classes;| and so forth
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2980. # [23:35] <froydnj> KWierso: can either back me out, somebody else can fix, or I can try to fix later tonight
2981. # [23:35] <Yoric> WeirdAl: Can you remind me of the context?
2982. # [23:35] <KWierso> froydnj: well, hopefully "fixing this reopens the tree" would be incentive for someone to help out :P
2983. # [23:36] <mccr8> froydnj: I can take a look
2984. # [23:36] <shu> jorendorff: yeah, but i also mean that in general, weak refs would be super useful for compiling managed languages to JS without also compiling their GC
2985. # [23:36] <tbsaunde> froydnj: I seem to remember gcc having an exension that was something like basename(__file__) am I on crack?
2986. # [23:36] <WeirdAl> Yoric - we were at the time talking about addon data directories and providing helpers for them... I'm currently looking into building a settings helper for my own addon that kinda reflects where I wanted to go, but not for Mozilla yet
2987. # [23:36] <froydnj> tbsaunde: __BASE_FILE__?
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2989. # [23:36] <jorendorff> shu: added to my use cases list
2990. # [23:36] <shu> jorendorff: cool
2991. # [23:36] <jorendorff> shu: it may look like it's labeled "ENEMIES LIST" but it's really use cases
2992. # [23:37] <Yoric> WeirdAl: Actually, it's getting close to midnight, can we chat about this some other day?
2993. # [23:37] <WeirdAl> sure
2994. # [23:38] <WeirdAl> I'm just trying to figure out the prototype design right now
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2997. # [23:38] <Yoric> jorendorff: "Enemies^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^HUse cases of Carlotta"?
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3000. # [23:38] <Yoric> WeirdAl: At the moment, OS.File flushes its queue twice, once during profile-before-change and once during xpcom-will-shutdown.
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3003. # [23:39] <tbsaunde> froydnj: I think not, that seems to be foo/bar.cpp if you do gcc foo/bar.cpp I just want bar.cpp in that case
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3005. # [23:39] <gozala> hey gavin, I posted link to a gist with alternative implementation you asked me
3006. # [23:40] <gozala> have you had chance to look at it ?
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3008. # [23:41] <gozala> mrbkap: can both notifications go into same patch or would you prefer separate ones ?
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3010. # [23:42] <froydnj> mccr8: thanks
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3012. # [23:42] <mccr8> froydnj: thanks for writing the patch :)
3013. # [23:42] <froydnj> tbsaunde: hm. then I don't know
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3016. # [23:43] <Waldo> hum, there's a "CSS Parsing and Computation" component now, wonder when that showed up
3017. # [23:44] <bholley> ehsan: is the new git repo with the new SHAs ready for use?
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3020. # [23:44] <mccr8> bholley: what is the right thing to use instead of SpecialPowers.Cc in Moth?
3021. # [23:45] <dholbert> Waldo, I think that's the renamed "Style" component
3022. # [23:45] <tbsaunde> froydnj: a quick look isn't showing me anything other than __BASE_FILE and __FILE__
3023. # [23:45] <bholley> mccr8: What kind of Moth? mochitest-chrome?
3024. # [23:45] <@ehsan> bholley: I think so
3025. # [23:45] <mccr8> bholley: yes
3026. # [23:45] <bholley> ehsan: which one do I use?
3027. # [23:45] <bholley> mccr8: just use Components.classes
3028. # [23:45] <Waldo> dholbert: huh, style's gone completely? I was imagining some sort of subdivision of it
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3030. # [23:45] <bholley> mccr8: you're chrome, after all
3031. # [23:45] <@ehsan> bholley: I'm going to retire mine at some point, if you have the time it would be nice to switch to the releng one
3032. # [23:46] <mccr8> bholley: ok. what's the right thing to write that will work in both chrome and regular mochitests?
3033. # [23:46] <bholley> ehsan: right, that's my intention - I'm just asking for the URL
3034. # [23:46] <dholbert> Waldo, s/gone/renamed to CSS Parsing and Computation/
3035. # [23:46] <bholley> ehsan: ;-)
3036. # [23:46] <@ehsan> oh
3037. # [23:46] <Waldo> well, yeah :-)
3038. # [23:46] <@ehsan> let me try to find it
3039. # [23:46] <bholley> ehsan: I've been using yours for years :-)
3040. # [23:46] <mccr8> froydnj was suggesting "var Cc = SpecialPowers ? SpecialPowers.Cc : Components.classes" but it seems like specialpowers is defined so I'm not sure if that will work.
3041. # [23:46] <dholbert> Waldo, I think the subdivision is between that and e.g. Layout
3042. # [23:46] <dholbert> so now it's clearer that this CSS-flavored component is *just* for parsing/computation, and the actual effects are in other bugs
3043. # [23:46] <dholbert> s/bugs/components/
3044. # [23:46] <bholley> mccr8: you're writing code that is executed in both chrome and non-chrome?
3045. # [23:46] <tbsaunde> bholley: ehsan fwiw I'm probably going to merge both repos into github.com/tbsaunde/mozilla-central.git at some point
3046. # [23:46] <@ehsan> bholley: I *think* this is it: https://github.com/mozilla/integration-gecko-dev
3047. # [23:47] <@ehsan> tbsaunde: cool
3048. # [23:47] <mccr8> bholley: yes, this is in tests/mochitest/tests/SimpleTest/TestRunner.js
3049. # [23:47] <bholley> ehsan: thanks
3050. # [23:47] <@ehsan> tbsaunde: be prepared to maintain that for the years to come ;)
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3053. # [23:47] <Waldo> dholbert: yeah; the "computation" bit is a little fruity, I think, as a "75%" dimension looks totally like CSS, and is in CSS, but probably in most cases (backgrounds are the first exception to come to mind) would be layout
3054. # [23:47] <tbsaunde> ehsan: its really not hard since I'm going to do it locally anyway to rebase my local stuff onto the releng tree
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3056. # [23:47] <bholley> mccr8: well, if you're doing anything non-trivial, the wrapper effects can be surprising. You should be very cautious about using them in the harness
3057. # [23:48] <Waldo> not that I have any better suggestions for making this clearer to the uninitiated :-)
3058. # [23:48] <@ehsan> ok
3059. # [23:48] <bholley> mccr8: what are you trying to do with Cc?
3060. # [23:48] <mccr8> bholley: https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/86cf2e690f90
3061. # [23:48] <tbsaunde> ehsan: I'm fairly confident git pull; git push will keep working even if releng isn't :)
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3065. # [23:49] <bholley> mccr8: yeah that looks ok
3066. # [23:49] <bholley> mccr8: you could even use the SpecialPowers.Cc in both versions
3067. # [23:49] <bholley> mccr8: or does it break?
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3069. # [23:50] <mrbkap> gozala: They can go in the same patch.
3070. # [23:50] <KWierso> bholley: it breaks like this: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=30612549&tree=Mozilla-Inbound
3071. # [23:51] <KWierso> where the actual error is 13:58:34 INFO - Full message: TypeError: wrapPrivileged(...) is undefined
3072. # [23:51] <mccr8> bholley: it breaks in Moth. dholbert said that wrapPrivileged() is undefined when you try to call SpecialPowers.Cc
3073. # [23:51] <bholley> mccr8: odd. I wonder why that is
3074. # [23:52] <dholbert> mccr8 / bholley, full error / backtrace is here: https://pastebin.mozilla.org/3611903
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3076. # [23:52] <dholbert> specialpowersAPI.js:556 is "get Cc() { return wrapPrivileged(this.Components).classes; },"
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3079. # [23:53] <bholley> dholbert: right. I just don't understand why that works for SpecialPowers-in-content but not SpecialPowers-in-chrome
3080. # [23:53] <bholley> dholbert: probably better to ask jgriffin or someone
3081. # [23:53] <bholley> but in the mean time
3082. # [23:53] <bholley> mccr8: Cc might just be defined already in the chrome case
3083. # [23:53] <bholley> you could see if it is
3084. # [23:54] <WeirdAl> ehsan: what is "unified mode"?
3085. # [23:54] <mccr8> ok I'll try that
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3088. # [23:55] <@ehsan> WeirdAl: see my dev.platform post?
3089. # [23:56] <@ehsan> it's basically combining multiple .cpp files into one when building
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3091. # [23:56] <WeirdAl> ah, about damn time :)
3092. # [23:57] <WeirdAl> (and about build time too, I suppose)
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