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# Session Start: Sat Nov 16 00:00:00 2013
# Session Ident: #developers
# [00:01] <@ehsan> yep
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# [00:02] <glandium> ehsan: btw, did you try it on a subset of js?
# [00:02] <tbsaunde> ehsan: man I remember when you didn't think what a sane idea ;)
# [00:02] <@ehsan> glandium: not yet
# [00:02] <@ehsan> but I will
# [00:02] <@ehsan> tbsaunde: pardon?
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# [00:03] <glandium> ehsan: there's potential for big wins. but the files are already quite long to compile, so 16 of them might be over the top
# [00:03] <glandium> ehsan: some directories might benefit from having a different limit
# [00:03] <@ehsan> glandium: my plan is that once we have a considerable chunk of the tree in unified mode, try to adjust that number
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# [00:04] <@ehsan> yeah
# [00:04] <@ehsan> can we do it per dir?
# [00:04] <tbsaunde> ehsan: several months ago you thought unified building was crazy or am I dreaming
# [00:04] <glandium> ehsan: not currently
# [00:04] <@ehsan> tbsaunde: I don't remember thinking that!
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# [00:04] <@ehsan> but I sometimes change my mind!
# [00:04] <@ehsan> glandium: yeah I know. I mean, is that an option?
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# [00:05] <glandium> ehsan: that's one i thought about when i implemented UNIFIED_SOURCES, but as it wasn't necessary at first, i skipped that
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# [00:05] <@ehsan> ok, it might be nice to have that option
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# [00:06] <glandium> something to measure build time of individual files would be helpful too
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# [00:06] <glandium> i've done some stats a while ago from the logs of my distcc. The average build time on my machine was 1.5s per file
# [00:07] <glandium> but some were taking like 8 or 9s
# [00:07] <@ehsan> not sure if that number gives us anything actionable
# [00:07] <@smaug> glandium: curious, do you know if other large projects use unified compiling ?
# [00:07] <RyanVM|afk> sqlite :)
# [00:07] <@ted> sqlite
# [00:07] <@ehsan> see the numbers that gps posted to the list for example
# [00:07] * RyanVM|afk wins
# [00:07] <@ted> bah
# [00:07] <@ehsan> they're interesting to know, but I don't think they're useful to make things faster
# [00:07] <RyanVM|afk> :P
# [00:07] <@ehsan> smaug: I know of one
# [00:07] <@ehsan> it's proprietary
# [00:07] <glandium> ehsan: well, i'd rather not consider unifying 16 files that take 8s each to build
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# [00:08] <tbsaunde> smaug: I think I've seen some unified stuff in the webkit repo
# [00:08] <@ehsan> glandium: I'll experiment with it when I get to js/src
# [00:08] <Mook_as> do template-heavy C++ things do it? (things like Qt)
# [00:08] * Mook_as is guessing that looks vaguely like what js/src is like these days
# [00:08] <glandium> ehsan: and it's also interesting to measure how long those unified files take to be built. If we have some that take 30s, we may want to reconsider them
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# [00:08] <lgarner> gps: ping.
# [00:08] <bobowen> bholley: ping
# [00:08] <bholley> bobowen: hey
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# [00:09] <bholley> bobowen: sorry for the delay in the bug - I was going to respond soon
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# [00:09] <bobowen> bholley: no problem, do you have any time to chat now?
# [00:09] <@ehsan> glandium: depends on how long it takes to build them individually too
# [00:09] <@ehsan> but we can move the needle in either direction
# [00:09] <glandium> ehsan: sure
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# [00:09] <bholley> bobowen: basically, bz and I are super excited that you're working on this, and we've been trying to sprint to get the incumbent script stack ready for you (which is what I'm working on now)
# [00:10] <@ehsan> anyways, I gotta go home now
# [00:10] <glandium> ehsan: but the point is, currently, we're kind of doing this blindly
# [00:10] <@ehsan> have a nice weekend everyone
# [00:10] <bholley> bobowen: sure thing - let's talk
# [00:10] <glandium> ehsan: you too
# [00:10] <@ehsan> glandium: true, but I'm aware of it :)
# [00:10] <glandium> hey, it *is* the week end
# [00:10] <@ehsan> so I'll look into adjusting it in the future
# [00:10] <@ehsan> glandium: you're living in the future ;)
# [00:10] <glandium> indeed i am
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# [00:11] <bholley> bobowen: (I just CCed you on bug 937317)
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# [00:30] <dholbert> I just noticed that when you edit a patch file in emacs and delete a contextual line, it automatically updates the "@@ -510,16 +510,26 @@" patch-hunk header for you, to indicate the new line count
# [00:30] <dholbert> [mind blown]
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# [00:30] <sfink> yep, pretty awesome
# [00:30] <sfink> though it gets confused pretty easily
# [00:30] <tbsaunde> I guess that helps explain how bz tolerates hand editing patches
# [00:31] <jesup> emacs reach self-awareness in 2004, and is just biding it's time....
# [00:31] <jesup> s/reach/reached/
# [00:32] <jesup> It is, after all, written in a variant of LISP
# [00:32] * dholbert makes a note to avoid switching to the "skynet" major mode
# [00:32] <jesup> Which I think would seriously confuse a lot of people graduating today. Let's not even mention APL.... (oops)
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# [00:34] <jesup> emacs has kitchen-sinks hidden in kitchen-sinks. Witness stuff like artist-mode
# [00:34] <dholbert> jesup, and here I've been using asciiflow.com for my ascii art needs
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# [00:35] <dholbert> when I could've saved all that bandwidth and just used emacs
# [00:35] <jesup> dholbert: :-) It was sitting under your fingers this whole time
# [00:36] <jesup> artist-mode is good for IETF spec diagrams (which must be ASCII)
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# [00:47] <jesup> There are other fun mods: bug-reference-mode/bug-reference-prog-mode, array-mode, css-mode (you probably know that one!), cwarn-mode, glasses-mode (which could be REALLY confusing), hexl-mode, mouse-avoidance-mode, occur-mode (and occur), whitespace-mode/whitespace-newline-mode, etc. We won't mention wordstar-mode.... (oops again ;-)
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# [00:50] <mccr8> anybody want to review a bustage fix for inbound? https://pastebin.mozilla.org/3612145
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# [00:50] <mccr8> it is a change to TestRunner.js
# [00:50] <mccr8> bholley: ted: ^
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# [00:52] <froydnj> mccr8: lgtm
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# [00:53] <mccr8> froydnj: thanks! with that, we get stats for mochitest plain and mochitest chrome
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# [00:57] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/a7a6ff24a7b8 - Andrew McCreight - Bug 939137 - make it work in both mochitest plain and chrome. r=froydnj
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# [00:57] <philor> wonder whether cooking the order we run things in would improve our lives
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# [00:58] <philor> either by letting poor toolkit/mozapps/extensions/ finally get out of the hotseat at the very end of the run, or by letting devtools and maybe sessionstore run at the start on a nice clean system
# [00:59] <mccr8> yeah that should help, though maybe we'll just find later tests that allocate big chunks
# [01:00] <mccr8> once we figure out what tests are fragmenting virtual memory or whatever we can also put those last...
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# [01:21] <alagenchev> I am trying to add a new observer service topic that would be observable by add ons. When I notifyObservers, my observers on the browser side receive the notification, but the addon observers don't. My code on the addon side receives other observers just fine. What could be wrong?
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# [01:34] <WeirdAl> alagenchev: pastebin.mozilla.org please?
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# [01:49] <jesup> NeilAway: ironically, that's missing. Emacs within emacs... Perhaps vi-mode has emacs-mode within it....
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# [03:35] <ckitching> Anyone with clearance mind cancelling https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=b0ab97bb7b98 for me?
# [03:35] <ckitching> (I only have publickey authentication, so the tbpl UI won't talk to me. :P)
# [03:36] <KWierso> ckitching: boom
# [03:36] <ckitching> Ta.
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# [03:51] <ckitching> Wow.
# [03:51] <ckitching> That's really annoying to follow.
# [03:51] <ckitching> A GitHub pull request tracked by a Bugzilla bug reviewed on Critic.
# [03:52] <ckitching> Hmm. I'm sure this could be made more tangled if we thought about it. BitBucket isn't in use.
# [03:52] <ckitching> And I'm pretty sure JIRA could be included if you put your mind to it. :P
# [03:52] <froydnj> RyanVM|afk: \o/
# [03:54] <RyanVM|afk> so much for "see if anyone notices this" ...
# [03:54] <RyanVM|afk> froydnj: that said, thank you VERY much for all you've done over the past few days
# [03:54] <KWierso> ^
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# [04:00] <froydnj> RyanVM|afk: KWierso: thanks
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# [05:03] <froydnj> Yoric++
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# [05:10] <hattmammerly> forgive me if this is off-topic. I'm trying to build a fresh clone from the repo. here's the tail end of the error I receive when running ./mach build: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/3613184 I have gstreamer and gstreamer-plugins-base 1.0.10 installed on gentoo linux, so I'm not quite sure how to proceed.
# [05:11] <hub> hattmammerly: but do you have the development packages>
# [05:11] <hub> oh wait.
# [05:11] <hub> it says 0.10
# [05:11] <hub> that not 1.0
# [05:11] <hub> that's older and API incompatible
# [05:13] <hattmammerly> hub: that confused me; I most certainly have 1.0.10 installed. that's the latest stable version in the gentoo repositories
# [05:15] <hub> 0.10, not 1.0.10
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# [05:16] <hub> it is much older
# [05:16] <hub> and API incompatible
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# [05:18] <hattmammerly> hub: that's what is being reported there. but here's what my package manager reports http://i.imgur.com/9Ed6q4J.png
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# [05:30] <hub> hattmammerly: ok, let's rephrase it. You have 1.0.10. Firefox want 0.10.25 or higher in the 0.10 branch.
# [05:30] <hub> hattmammerly: so you don't have the right version
# [05:31] <KWierso> hattmammerly: you'd need bug 806917 fixed to use 1.0
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# [05:34] <hattmammerly> hub: oooooh. I understand.
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# [05:38] <WeirdAl> Can someone help me understand this stack trace? I've been seeing FF close unexpectedly on the first session in Windows, and I think Norton's to blame... fx-debug, mozilla-release: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/3613440
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# [05:39] <WeirdAl> the OpenWindow call is a call to open commonDialog.xul
# [05:39] <hattmammerly> and there we are. reticulating splines. thank you!
# [05:41] <WeirdAl> even stranger, I couldn't get a JS stack trace from {,,xul}DumpJSStack()
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# [05:44] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/5e1ebc80c917 - Daniel Holbert - (no bug) Remove some obsolete/incorrect comments from nsFlexContainerFrame.cpp. comment-only, DONTBUILD
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# [09:14] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/a434e4fc3482 - Landry Breuil - Bug 928390: Partially backport libffi upstream 049d8386ff for OpenBSD/mips/hppa. r=glandium
# [09:14] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/362b06bd9363 - Martin Husemann - Bug 810716: Avoid AC_TRY_LINK on systems where we do not want res_ninit r=ted
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# [09:34] <sfink> hairball builds
# [09:35] <Ms2ger> Hairball builds for spaghetti code \o/
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# [09:42] <gaston> Ms2ger: which unified building stuff ?
# [09:42] <Ms2ger> Not reading m.d.platform? :)
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# [09:43] <gaston> i dont read any of the mozilla groups/lists :(
# [09:43] <gaston> enotime for that
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# [09:45] <gaston> ufff
# [09:45] <gaston> scary stuff
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# [10:13] <glandium> Ms2ger: not long
# [10:14] <glandium> Ms2ger: maybe we should force releng builds not to do unified builds
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# [10:16] <glandium> Ms2ger: you should bring it up on dev-platform
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# [10:19] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/fc55a33f6b3f - Jan de Mooij - Bug 937540 part 4 - Use placement new for MBasicBlock. r=djvj
# [10:19] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/cde2604ee22b - Jan de Mooij - Bug 937540 part 1 - Add |operator new| for placement new to TempObject and use for regalloc objects. r=luke
# [10:20] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/d06ce084e3a9 - Jan de Mooij - Bug 937540 part 2 - Use placement new for BitSet and LoopAliasInfo. r=sstangl
# [10:20] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/4d4d4d111dfd - Jan de Mooij - Bug 937540 part 3 - Use placement new for GVN ValueNumberData. r=mjrosenb
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# [10:23] <Ms2ger> glandium, sounds like that'd cause a lot of "but it built locally!"
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# [10:24] <glandium> Ms2ger: is it worse than "but it built until i added a file!"
# [10:25] <Ms2ger> That's the question :)
# [10:25] <glandium> that's why it's worth bringing up on the dev-platform thread
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# [10:26] <Ms2ger> Right, doing that now
# [10:29] <mjrosenb> huh, the ps4 uses webgl for its frontent
# [10:29] <mjrosenb> I wonder whose renderer they use.
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# [10:32] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/5dd82c64f4b7 - Makoto Kato - Bug 935499. r=honzab
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# [10:34] <Ms2ger> Wait, inbound is open?
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# [10:39] <Ms2ger> abort: No space left on device: '/builds/slave/m-in-lx-0000000000000000000000/tools'
# [10:42] <mjrosenb> Ms2ger: and good times were had by all.
# [10:43] <Ms2ger> And no buildduty around \o/
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# [10:52] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/717711fc6d5d - Robert Longson - Bug 938569 - Path fails to render, with comma between move command and implied line command. r=dholbert
# [10:53] <ttaubert> wat, no space left?
# [10:53] <ttaubert> :(
# [10:53] <ttaubert> so who pushed that 230gb binary blob?
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# [10:56] <Ms2ger> I filed a blocker
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# [10:57] <ttaubert> Ms2ger: bug #?
# [10:57] <Ms2ger> 939408
# [10:58] <ttaubert> ty
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# [10:59] <Ms2ger> And closed the trees
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# [11:01] <glandium> you'll note *all* those failed builds are on the same slave
# [11:01] <glandium> ah no, there's another one
# [11:01] <Ms2ger> No, there's two
# [11:02] <mjrosenb> ok, gcc just downed a handle of vodka.
# [11:02] <glandium> Ms2ger: note the closing reason is not exactly bug 939408
# [11:03] <Ms2ger> Well, that's why I closed it :)
# [11:03] <Ms2ger> I guess "... and are still taking jobs"
# [11:03] <glandium> well, there are many blues that are not related to those two slaves
# [11:03] <glandium> like the test blues
# [11:03] <glandium> and the windows ones
# [11:03] <Ms2ger> Bah
# [11:03] <glandium> seems there's a network problem that's making things blow up
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# [11:04] <Ms2ger> The network issues come back green on the next run, though
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# [11:05] <Ms2ger> Hrm
# [11:05] * Ms2ger finds bug 939324
# [11:05] <glandium> it's kind of ironic to have networking issues before a planned network outage
# [11:06] <glandium> (a few hours before)
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# [11:06] <Ms2ger> Are these the slaves that have been running the rooting analysis?
# [11:08] <glandium> Ms2ger: unfortunately, it already overflew the history shown on https://secure.pub.build.mozilla.org/builddata/reports/slave_health/slave.html?name=bld-centos6-hp-009
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# [11:08] <Ms2ger> bld-centos6-hp-009 did run the Hf on inbound:eb08b1c4e656
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# [11:10] <glandium> bld-linux64-ec2-405 ran out of disk space on birch:0c9c1581d321, asan debug build
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# [11:15] <glandium> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=30624563&tree=Mozilla-Inbound O_o
# [11:16] <glandium> make[6]: Entering directory `/builds/slave/m-in-and-000000000000000000000/build/obj-firefox/js/src/ctypes/libffi'
# [11:16] <glandium> /bin/sh ./config.status --recheck
# [11:16] <glandium> sigh
# [11:16] <Ms2ger> Not following
# [11:17] <glandium> somehow that incremental build had the libffi build system run config.status --recheck
# [11:17] <glandium> except that fails
# [11:17] <Ms2ger> Fun
# [11:17] <glandium> that's the android red on m-i tip
# [11:18] <glandium> i'll pretend i didn't see it
# [11:18] * glandium is out of here
# [11:18] * Ms2ger already has his head covered with a lot of sand
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# [11:22] <gaston> glandium: i've landed a libffi commit a bunch of hours ago
# [11:23] <gaston> but it wasnt supposed (tm) to break things
# [11:23] * Ms2ger glares at gaston
# [11:24] <gaston> but but but but it was for hppa & mips64el!
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# [11:25] <gaston> Ms2ger: 928390
# [11:25] <Ms2ger> Not that it matters before buildduty wakes up
# [11:26] <gaston> dont make me look at tbpl :(
# [11:26] <gaston> my smartphone just died, i had a shitty week, dont pile on top of that..
# [11:27] <Ms2ger> I won't
# [11:27] <Ms2ger> For now ;)
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# [11:28] <Ms2ger> gaston, and clearly you should get a FxOS phone now :)
# [11:28] <gaston> and the android builds were green onmy push
# [11:28] <gaston> Ms2ger: was planning to, but i need a phone now, not in 3 months :)
# [11:29] <Ms2ger> Wasn't someone selling them on ebay?
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# [11:32] <gaston> configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
# [11:32] <gaston> what the
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# [11:33] <gaston> that just cant be mine
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# [11:40] <glandium> gaston: so, here's the deal. You changed configure, that requires a configure rerun. Which doesn't happen on an incremental build
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# [11:40] <glandium> gaston: so you need a clobber, essentially
# [11:40] <glandium> and to file a bug about that sucky behavior
# [11:41] <gaston> like autoclobber-on-i-touched-configure ?
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# [11:42] <glandium> gaston: like autorerun configure
# [11:42] <gaston> and it isnt related to the fact that other builders have no space right ?
# [11:42] <glandium> top-level configure
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# [11:42] <glandium> no, it's unrelated
# [11:42] <gaston> can someone clobber the android builders for me then ?
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# [11:43] <glandium> gaston: all builders
# [11:44] <Ms2ger> Touch the file :)
# [11:44] <gaston> "each time you touch configure, $deity kills a thousand kittens"
# [11:44] <glandium> Ms2ger: yeah, that works too
# [11:44] <gaston> ah so i should have touched CLOBBER right
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# [11:46] <Ms2ger> Could you file a bug in Core::Build System? I can land a change if the tree reopens
# [11:46] <glandium> Ms2ger: a change for what?
# [11:46] <gaston> to CLOBBER ?
# [11:46] <Ms2ger> Yeah, to CLOBBER
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# [11:47] <gaston> something like "touching any sub-configure should autorerun toplevel configure ?
# [11:48] <glandium> gaston: bug xxxx required a clobber
# [11:48] <glandium> and explain the problem
# [11:48] <gaston> but the clobber wouldnt have been needed if toplevel configure was rerun right ?
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# [11:57] <gaston> filed 939416
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# [12:01] <Ms2ger> Thank
# [12:01] <Ms2ger> s
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# [13:41] <evilpie> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhh
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# [13:46] <mjrosenb> evilpie: ?
# [13:46] <evilpie> tree closure
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# [13:48] <evilpie> I was going to land something
# [13:50] <tbsaunde> you mean the tree can be open? ;)
# [13:51] <tbsaunde> I thought we'd declared gecko done
# [13:51] <KaiRo> it declared itself done after some OMG OOM
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# [15:01] <hattmammerly> well, I successfully built a fresh copy of firefox. this copy crashes on start, and now launching my preinstalled actual install doesn't load any addons or session history as if it's loading the fresh build.
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# [15:04] <hattmammerly> (I was told these installations were separate and wouldn't interfere with each other. apparently this is not the case, but I'm hoping my session data was preserved; I had a lot of work open)
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# [15:05] <zzzzz> If you didn't create a new test profile for your experimental build then it used your existing profile, and it sounds like it may be toast
# [15:06] <Ms2ger> Look into your profile dir *first* and copy out any sessionstore files
# [15:06] <hattmammerly> gdi wish i would have known that haha. how can I reload my already-installed addons? I don't want to install them again and have them redundantly in another location
# [15:07] <hattmammerly> Ms2ger: might I suggest putting this on the 'Simple Firefox Build' instructions page?
# [15:08] <Ms2ger> I dunno, this Shouldn't Happen (tm) :)
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# [15:11] <hattmammerly> sigh... well can you guys instruct me on how to set up a new test profile?
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# [15:13] <zzzzz> firebot profile manager
# [15:13] <firebot> zzzzz: The Profile Manager is a way to easily create, or switch profiles. See: http://support.mozilla.com/kb/Managing+profiles
# [15:13] <zzzzz> hattmammerly: ^
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# [15:24] <hattmammerly> oh hey firefox sync hasn't caught up so my phone can still see the tabs I had open. the day is saved!
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# [15:27] <zzzzz> \o/
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# [15:56] <@smaug> oh, tree was open for some time
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# [15:59] <bhackett> any idea when the tree will reopen?
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# [16:00] <Ms2ger> When releng wakes up
# [16:00] <Ms2ger> Probably before Monday
# [16:00] <bhackett> I've basically been unable to do work for the last several days because of tree closures
# [16:01] <@smaug> bhackett: I wonder why
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# [16:01] <@smaug> you should just have plenty of patches to push
# [16:01] <@smaug> but yes, it is really annoying to have the tree closed for so long time
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# [16:02] <@smaug> we should have some different kind of rules for keeping the tree closed
# [16:02] <bhackett> smaug: I have a bunch of patches to push, and the work I want to be doing depends on these being in the tree
# [16:03] <@smaug> like clone the problematic state from m-i to some other tree, backout from m-i and open m-i, and let people to fix the issues elsewhere
# [16:03] <@smaug> bhackett: you can have the patches in your tree, no?
# [16:04] <bhackett> smaug: yes but merging gets complicated and time wasting
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# [16:08] <Ms2ger> Mmm, maybe hwine can do something
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# [16:11] <Ms2ger> hwine, interesting philosophical question... Can you close closed trees?
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# [16:12] <hwine> I think so - it's a stack of messages so we keep all the reasons straight
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# [16:22] <@smaug> whaat, also try is closed
# [16:22] <@smaug> Ms2ger: why did you close try?
# [16:23] <Ms2ger> Because I'm even less likely to pick up infinitely repeating runs on try
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# [16:24] <@smaug> hmm, maybe the trees will be opened bug 935663
# [16:24] <@smaug> food
# [16:25] <hattmammerly> so my fresh build crashes on startup and provides me with really no technical details. any ideas for troubleshooting this?
# [16:25] <AdrianC> windows/linux?
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# [16:26] <hattmammerly> oh. gentoo linux
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# [16:26] <hattmammerly> (as such I suppose it's weird there's some deep quirk with my system that I've forgotten about)
# [16:26] <hattmammerly> s/weird/possible
# [16:27] <AdrianC> do you have --enable-debug?
# [16:27] <AdrianC> if so, just check the core dump or attach if in logs it tells you too
# [16:27] <hattmammerly> I do not. wasn't sure how to pass compile options to mach
# [16:28] <AdrianC> this might be useful
# [16:28] <AdrianC> https://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/Configuring_Build_Options
# [16:28] <AdrianC> just add ac_add_options --enable-debug
# [16:28] <AdrianC> (Should work, disclaimer, I'm new to this too :) )
# [16:28] <AdrianC> also, do you have core dumps enabled on your gentoo?
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# [16:29] <AdrianC> (/etc/sysctl.conf doesn't have them disabled or folder redirected to /dev/null?)
# [16:30] <AdrianC> (just see if there's any core.<number> in the folder where you started the binary, if not, see if sysctl.conf has folder someplace else)
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# [16:36] <hattmammerly> never disabled core dumps, not sure of defaults.
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# [16:38] <hattmammerly> alright, rebuilding with --enable-debug
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# [16:42] <Ms2ger> Hmm, is bmo supposed to be down?
# [16:42] <zzzzz> thought I saw somwhere where 'everything' was going to be down
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# [16:43] <zzzzz> down here for me, was working about an hour ago
# [16:43] <zzzzz> error 500
# [16:43] <Ms2ger> Alright
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# [16:44] <zzzzz> and its back for now..
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# [16:47] <Pike> I thought bmo was supposed to have fail-over servers. which might have just kicked in?
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# [16:47] <Pike> > bugzilla.mozilla.org and git.mozilla.org will be failed over to the Phoenix datacenter. During the cutover, systems may be unstable for a few minutes.
# [16:47] <philor> decoder: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=30627657&full=1&branch=fx-team#error0 - not much of a stack there
# [16:48] <jesup> error 500 here too
# [16:48] <philor> of course, workers, not much of a surprise there either
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# [16:50] <hattmammerly> okay, I built with --enable-debug... but I get the same nontechnical crash report info. sigh why can I never get anything working with just the instructions in the box
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# [16:57] <jesup> ETA on failover? Still 500 here
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# [16:59] <jesup> hattmammerly: set NSPR_LOG_DEBUG=all:5 NSPR_LOG_FILE=/tmp/nspr.out and that should give way more log info than you want.... and hopefully errors that point to the problem. And/or run under GDB/etc
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# [16:59] <txema> hi
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# [17:00] <txema> As of version 14 of firefox the error stack doesn't keep trace of params information
# [17:00] <txema> I've created a framework (lluvia-Project) that recovers from TypeError. xxx is not a funcition and responds to dynamic methods
# [17:00] <txema> Does someone know how to achieve information of the params?
# [17:00] <txema> Thanks.
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# [17:04] <fubar> Pike: bmo and gitmo are now in PHX1; bmo might want a shift-reload if you get a 500 error
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# [17:06] <jesup> I found shift-reload was needed, thanks
# [17:06] <jesup> on bmo
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# [19:58] <gcp> trademark violation or not?
# [19:58] <gcp> there's no source or anything here
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# [20:10] <Ms2ger> gcp, probably worth reporting
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# [22:34] <ckitching> That's an obscenely long time to have to wait for a build :(
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# [22:59] <Jesse> http://w3cmemes.tumblr.com/ was a bit noisy last week, but the last two (posted this morning) are great
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