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# [00:08] <nrc> KWierso|lunch, bjacob: should changeset 7c27af05042e be backed out too? It is another patch from the same bug as the last backout, not sure if it should land without the backed out stuff
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# [00:10] <KWierso|lunch> nrc: good observation :)
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# [00:10] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/7cfdbd447930 - Wes Kocher - Backed out changeset 7c27af05042e (bug 929506) because it should've been backed out with f08ab0578efb on a CLOSED TREE
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# [00:16] <evilpie> where do I change the hg fingerprint?
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# [00:16] <dholbert> evilpie, ~/.hgrc
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# [00:16] <dholbert> evilpie, under [hostfingerprints]
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# [00:17] <dholbert> evilpie, https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.dev.b2g/bQHcJifBVvk
# [00:17] <evilpie> weird I have bugzilla.mozilla.org
# [00:17] <evilpie> thanks!
# [00:17] <dholbert> np
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# [00:27] <glandium> bz: looking at the history of one file is easy with hgweb, although i don't know if it follows renames
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# [00:27] <glandium> bz: when you have the file in blame or raw view, just click on revisions
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# [00:40] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/4d8b604333d1 - Ryan VanderMeulen - Backed out changeset c524051861d5 (bug 915184) for test failures. a=backout.
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# [00:58] <philor> nice tree
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# [00:59] <philor> I think I'll kill everything below inbound tip, if we turn out to need it we can just stay closed and retrigger it
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# [01:18] <fabrice1> is there anything in OS.File to list a directory's files?
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# [01:19] <@gavin> fabrice1: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/JavaScript_OS.File/OS.File.DirectoryIterator_for_the_main_thread
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# [01:39] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/c294147de930 - Wes Kocher - Backed out changeset 763bcda2802f (bug 834243) for Android bustage on a CLOSED TREE
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# [01:55] <J13R> Hello!
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# [02:05] <KWierso> J13R: hi
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# [02:09] <jgilbert> did mdn used to be wiki-based?
# [02:09] <@gavin> used to be mediawiki IIRC
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# [02:10] <jgilbert> it's weird-and-awkward WYSIWYG now
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# [02:10] <jgilbert> (IMO, clearly)
# [02:11] <dholbert> jgilbert, I usually use the "source" button to be more in control of the changes I'm actually making
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# [02:12] <philor> I usually use the "con someone else into doing the editing" button
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# [02:25] <jgilbert> 9:06 first-build, cool
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# [02:27] <jgilbert> 1:12 no-op, still, oh well
# [02:28] <padenot> ./mach build binaries ?
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# [02:28] <jgilbert> padenot, what all does that do?
# [02:28] <jgilbert> (5s, btw)
# [02:29] <padenot> it ./mach builds the binaries
# [02:29] <padenot> the one you and I care about
# [02:29] <jgilbert> can I just always do that instead of ./mach build?
# [02:29] <dholbert> if you change IDL files or any other non-cpp stuff, you need "build"
# [02:29] <jgilbert> oh, veeerrry good to know
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# [02:31] <jgilbert> cool, 20s for a touch-GLContext.h build
# [02:31] <jgilbert> thanks
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# [02:51] <sheppy-afk> jgilbert: MDN is still a wiki. It's just one we built ourselves to be a better docs platform. :)
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# [02:52] <jgilbert> sheppy-afk, I can appreciate that, but I so-far prefer wiki-style simplified markup
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# [03:01] <jld> I have a crash report where the "crash address" is actually the pid of the process that sent the fake segfault. Computers are *awesome*.
# [03:01] <glosoli> hmm am I imagining or there was some web styling framework from Mozilla available
# [03:01] <glosoli> ?
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# [03:04] <kbrosnan> brick?
# [03:05] <kbrosnan> glosoli: https://github.com/mozilla/brick ?
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# [03:05] <glosoli> Nah brick is components only iirc, I might be imagining that there was some Bootstrap alternative
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# [03:13] <sheppy-afk> jgilbert: yeah, some folks do. We had to weigh things and decided to go with this. One thing we are hoping to do eventually is at least let new content be written initially in markdown, with auto conversion to HTML.
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# [03:28] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/b5951a90ef32 - Josh Matthews - Bug 915184 - Wait for the default about:privatebrowsing page to appear before continuing the test. r=ehsan, a=test-only
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# [04:27] <@njn> aha, $311M revenue in 2012
# [04:27] <ckitching> njn: That's quite a lot...
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# [04:30] <@njn> ckitching: up 90% from 2011, thanks to the renewed Google deal
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# [04:30] <ckitching> njn: Oooh. Which deal is this?
# [04:30] <ckitching> Or is that classified?
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# [04:30] <ckitching> Sounds like you should find some more deals like that :P.
# [04:31] <@njn> ckitching: http://thenextweb.com/insider/2013/11/21/mozillas-reliance-google-increasing-90-2012-revenue-came-one-source/
# [04:31] <@njn> details were just released today
# [04:31] <ckitching> njn: Niice.
# [04:31] <ckitching> But - doesn't that mean Mozilla is royally forked if Google pulls out?
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# [04:32] <@njn> ckitching: nope
# [04:32] <@njn> ckitching: other search engines would like to have that deal
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# [04:32] <@njn> "Every time the contract is up for renewal, supporters of the organization worry Google will turn its back on Mozilla, which would in turn fail to make ends meet."
# [04:32] <ckitching> njn: Ah. How does the deal work?
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# [04:32] <@njn> they don't mention how google's search team might worry that Mozilla will turn its back on Mozilla
# [04:32] <ckitching> They pay per search through firefox or something?
# [04:33] <@njn> ckitching: read the article and the linked documents
# [04:33] <@njn> ckitching: but roughly, yes
# [04:33] <ckitching> Sure. Sorry. :P
# [04:33] <reuben> oh would you look at that
# [04:33] <reuben> a decade? old logo
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# [04:35] <glandium> njn: also, note that 10% of 311M is more than 15% of 163M, so non-Google revenue *also* increased
# [04:35] <glandium> which one could assume has not been the case
# [04:35] <@njn> glandium: sure
# [04:36] <@njn> glandium: the stories are still all "OMG what if Google pulls the plug"
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# [04:36] <reuben> yea they said the same thing when the deal was being renewed
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# [04:36] <reuben> "google didn't insta-renew, mozilla is doomed"
# [04:36] <glandium> reuben: and the same the year before that, and ...
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# [04:38] <philor> wait, the tech press just recycles the same tired stories that weren't particularly true when they were new?
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# [04:38] <philor> does that mean Apple isn't *actually* a religion?
# [04:39] <glandium> heh
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# [04:41] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/34be216f6d0e - Masatoshi Kimura - Bug 925599 - Replace GetVersionEx() in toolkit/. r=bsmedberg
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# [04:42] <froydnj> dmajor: nice spot on the js gc allocation. nice improvement on the largest heap block, too!
# [04:42] <@njn> gotta turn "revenue is up 90%" into a bad story, I guess
# [04:42] <@njn> froydnj: oh, what's that?
# [04:42] <froydnj> njn: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=941837
# [04:42] <froydnj> njn: and
# [04:42] <froydnj> http://people.mozilla.org/~sguo/mochimem/viewer.html?url=http%3A//ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/tinderbox-builds/mozilla-central-win32-debug/1385065562/mozilla-central_win7-ix-debug_test-mochitest-browser-chrome-bm69-tests1-windows-build184.txt.gz&url=http%3A//ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/try-builds/dmajor@mozilla.com-a9643c5b477b/try-win32-debug/try_win7-ix-debug_test-m
# [04:42] <froydnj> ochitest-browser-chrome-bm69-tests1-windows-build1420.txt.gz&
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# [04:43] <dmajor> froydnj: thanks! xperf really helped make it stand out
# [04:43] <@njn> dmajor: *nice*
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# [04:45] <@njn> dmajor: I give you a gold star
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# [04:45] <dmajor> yay!
# [04:45] <glandium> erf, iirc i had the same kind of problem in jemalloc3
# [04:46] <glandium> it doesn't help that windows doesn't allow partial unmapping
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# [04:47] <@njn> dmajor: that's probably worth backporting to aurora
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# [04:48] <@njn> dmajor: possibly even beta
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# [04:49] <dmajor> njn: I think terrence is driving the checkin aspect. Comment in the bug perhaps?
# [04:49] <@njn> ok
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# [04:52] <@njn> dmajor: done
# [04:53] <dmajor> cool
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# [04:58] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/49cab4f07faf - Chris Peterson - Bug 757726 - Part 6b: Cloak all plugin names except Flash, Director, Java, and QuickTime. r=johns sr=bsmedberg
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# [04:59] <@njn> wtf is this: https://pastebin.mozilla.org/3651320
# [04:59] <@njn> why is a mutex causing a 2MB allocation?
# [05:00] <froydnj> deadlock detection?
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# [05:00] <@njn> and I see a bunch of similar, smaller ones
# [05:00] <@njn> froydnj: this is a debug build...
# [05:00] <@njn> froydnj: I always regret doing memory profiling of debug builds...
# [05:00] <@khuey> heh
# [05:00] <@njn> froydnj: I'll retry with an opt build
# [05:00] <@njn> tanks
# [05:00] <@njn> h
# [05:00] <@njn> tanksh?
# [05:00] <froydnj> that still sounds awfully high
# [05:01] <@njn> froydnj: I ran Membench, which opens 150 sites
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# [05:01] <froydnj> njn: at least your clobber build will be fast!
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# [05:02] <@njn> froydnj: I have an old opt build lying around in that dir, so it will be a ccache'd incremental build!
# [05:02] <@njn> froydnj: in fact, it finished already -- 56s
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# [05:03] <@njn> froydnj: facebook.com, prolly
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# [05:03] <glandium> njn: your stack has PL_HashTableRawAdd
# [05:03] <@njn> glandium: which indicates...?
# [05:04] <glandium> njn: that's what allocating 2MB, not the mutex itself
# [05:04] <@njn> glandium: yes, there's a pldhash involved
# [05:04] <@njn> glandium: hence my "wtf" :)
# [05:04] <glandium> njn: plhash, not pldhash ;)
# [05:05] <@njn> glandium: one of our damned hash tables!
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# [05:05] <@njn> froydnj: and the deadlock detector uses plhash
# [05:06] <tbsaunde> whyyyyy
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# [05:07] <@njn> dmajor: can you audit everywhere else we call mmap/VirtualAlloc, to see if we're doing that stupidness elsewhere?
# [05:07] <glandium> "The partial order on resource acquisitions used by the deadlock detector."
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# [05:07] <@njn> dmajor: I think there are only a few callsites
# [05:07] <@njn> dmajor: well, a few dozen, according to grep...
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# [05:07] <dmajor> njn: not a bad idea
# [05:08] <@njn> dmajor: getting you to do it? yeah, I thought so :)
# [05:08] <dmajor> ha
# [05:08] * froydnj wonders how much space that stuff is taking up in our debug builds
# [05:09] <@njn> froydnj: deadlock detection? DMD estimates around 10MB in the run I just did, which had the 150 sites
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# [05:10] <froydnj> njn: hm, but what about browser-chrome, which opens a lot more than 150 windows, I bet... (though the paths may not be as complex)
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# [05:10] <@njn> froydnj: so let's think about all the ways that debug builds use more memory
# [05:10] <@njn> - deadlock detection
# [05:11] <@njn> - there used to be a difference with pldhash, but I got rid of that
# [05:11] <@njn> - more code, due to assertions and #ifdef DEBUG blocks
# [05:11] <@njn> anything else?
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# [05:11] <froydnj> DMD should have shown it on the runs we were doing last week, I suppose
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# [05:11] <@njn> froydnj: if it was a big deal, you mean?
# [05:11] <froydnj> oh, bother, I bet I was doing those builds opt
# [05:11] <jdm> njn: NS_DECL_OWNINGTHREAD
# [05:12] <froydnj> welp, that's something to look at tomorrow, then
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# [05:12] <jdm> it adds an nsAutoOwningThread to every instance of every class deriving from nsISupports
# [05:12] <jdm> basically +1 pointer
# [05:12] <@njn> jdm: huh, ok
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# [05:17] <philor> ouch. got to wondering when I last fixed a Real Bug, not just tools and tests, and the answer might be May 2012
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# [05:18] <@njn> froydnj, glandium: so opt builds are much better, but I still have this: https://pastebin.mozilla.org/3651404
# [05:19] <@njn> 24 mutexes take up 98KB?
# [05:20] <glandium> lock = PR_NEWZAP(PRLock);
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# [05:20] <@njn> glandium: yeah, it just allocates a PRLock AFA
# [05:20] <@njn> AFAICT
# [05:20] <@njn> which suggests that sizeof(PRLock) is multiple KB
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# [05:21] <Callek> njn: it is
# [05:21] <@njn> Callek: O_o
# [05:21] <Callek> njn: at least in aggregate
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# [05:21] <Callek> (as in when you account for all the semaphors, etc, it handles
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# [05:22] <glandium> https://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/nsprpub/pr/include/private/primpl.h#1403
# [05:22] <Callek> walk NSPR initializing code, especially around locking, you'll be happy and sad, mostly sad
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# [05:22] <glandium> https://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/nsprpub/pr/include/private/primpl.h#136
# [05:22] <froydnj> looks like ~150ish bytes
# [05:22] <glandium> #define PT_CV_NOTIFIED_LENGTH 6
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# [05:25] <glandium> pthread_mutex_t is 40 bytes, and pthread_t is an unsigned long it
# [05:25] <glandium> so yeah around 150
# [05:26] <froydnj> hm, 300 DOMWINDOW live at one time, that can't be good
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# [05:28] <@njn> glandium: ~150B * 24 doesn't give 98KB...
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# [05:30] <@njn> glandium: oh, that's due to DMD's imprecise sampling
# [05:30] <@njn> glandium: let me do a run with no samping
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# [05:32] <froydnj> hm, the deadlock detector isn't even showing up in these runs
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# [05:40] <@njn> glandium: so 90% of our "royalty revenue" was from the google deal, but that's only 69% of the total "receivables"
# [05:40] <@njn> that 69% is down from 77% last year
# [05:41] <glandium> njn: you wouldn't expect journalists to read, would you?
# [05:42] <@njn> glandium: now I'm a bit confused about the difference between royalties and receivables
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# [05:44] <@njn> glandium: ok: 176 bytes per Mutex on 64-bit
# [05:44] <@njn> glandium: that makes more snese
# [05:44] <@njn> *sense
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# [05:52] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> good morning guys
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# [05:58] <@njn> Tomcat|sheriffduty: hello
# [05:59] <@njn> dmajor: it's a bit weird that your patch improves vsize/vsizeMaxContiguous in the middle, but not at the end
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# [05:59] <@njn> dmajor: sounds like the holes get filled in eventually, and so it won't make any difference in the end?
# [05:59] <@njn> dmajor: or do the holes not actually get filled in?
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# [06:01] <dmajor> njn: I did see some alternating used/free/used patterns near the end of a run
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# [06:02] <dmajor> njn: it doesn't surprise me too much to see the max size degrade near the end.
# [06:03] <@njn> dmajor: I don't understand why both pairs of measurements end up almost the same
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# [06:03] <dmajor> njn: there's so much stuff going on in these runs that clutter is bound to accumulate and prevent coalescing unless we're absolutely perfect with memory handling
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# [06:06] <dmajor> a single 4kb leak (or pseudo-leak) object can prevent two 100MB neighbors from joining :(
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# [06:09] <glandium> waw, 12 minutes for a clobber build
# [06:09] <dmajor> in some sense the max size isn't a perfect measure. five 100mb regions could be just as good as one 500mb region if you never need more than 100mb. it's only when the max gets super low that I get worried
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# [06:11] <glandium> which means i'm now past the 50% mark
# [06:11] <glandium> compared to august
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# [06:11] <dmajor> wow
# [06:12] <heycam> I wonder what the compilation time would be like if we blatted all the source into one file
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# [06:12] <glandium> i should try a build without pseudo derecurse, just for fun
# [06:12] <glandium> heycam: horrible
# [06:12] <glandium> heycam: that's what windows pgo builds do
# [06:12] <glandium> aka single-threaded-compilation-of-everything
# [06:13] <heycam> oh yeah fair enough
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# [06:13] <heycam> I wonder where the balance is going to be
# [06:13] <glandium> also, that wouldn't work very well for incremental builds
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# [06:14] * dmajor remembers a past project where line numbers wrapped around to negative
# [06:14] <heycam> ha
# [06:14] <tbsaunde> is this the msvc uses a short for the line number thing?
# [06:14] <dmajor> yea
# [06:14] <heycam> a short? that's optimistic :)
# [06:15] <tbsaunde> its pretty crazy they just fixing that
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# [06:15] <dmajor> oh is it fixed in 2013?
# [06:15] <tbsaunde> heycam: welcome to windows
# [06:15] <Waldo> shoulda bumped shorts to 32 bits
# [06:15] <heycam> population: -4
# [06:15] <tbsaunde> dmajor: think I heard something like that
# [06:15] <dmajor> neat
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# [06:16] <glandium> 2013, the year where 64k+ lines source code is supported
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# [06:18] <glandium> does someone know a download manager that takes urls on stdin and downloads them all, with continuation support (like wget -c), and parallel download?
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# [06:21] <glandium> i guess i could use wget with gnu parallel
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# [06:22] <nalexander> glandium: I like xargs and wget.
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# [06:23] <glandium> nalexander: that doesn't do the parallel download part
# [06:23] <nalexander> glandium: xargs has nice parallelization, like gnu parallel -- but it seems to be installed a little more frequently
# [06:23] <nalexander> glandium: http://stackoverflow.com/a/11850469
# [06:23] <glandium> nalexander: huh? xargs doesn't do parallization
# [06:23] <nalexander> glandium: I just learned this a few days ago. Perhaps it is new.
# [06:24] <nalexander> glandium: it certainly does on my Mac OS X box.
# [06:24] <glandium> oh waw
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# [06:26] <glandium> doesn't look like it works with -L though
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# [06:27] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/fd648afaf3f0 - <t_mrc-ct@users.sourceforge.jp> - Bug 882130 - In IDBObjectStore, endian swapped data are treated improperly on big endian platform. r=janv (bitrot fixed by stevensn)
# [06:27] <glandium> doesn't seem to work at all
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# [06:28] <glandium> ah it kind of works
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# [06:36] <@njn> glandium: I think stabs debug info used a short for something; I remember having to work around that for something Valgrind-related once
# [06:36] <@njn> back in 2002 or so
# [06:36] <@njn> *short for some kind of line number
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# [06:39] <Mook> glandium: for the future: I find that aria2c works well for parallel console-based downloading.
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# [07:37] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/4bfd3281f531 - Mark Hammond - Bug 937412 - Syntax errors in xpcshell tests don't report the error. r=ted
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# [07:48] <shu> Tomcat|sheriffduty: hi
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# [07:49] <shu> Tomcat|sheriffduty: i have a try push of a possible workaround for one of the debugger test leaks here: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=fbdd2319bd5f
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# [07:50] <shu> Tomcat|sheriffduty: however i have to catch a plane early in the morning, and i'm probably not going to be awake tonight to retrigger bc on it 20 times to see how much it makes the situation better; could you do watch that try and retrigger for me?
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# [07:55] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/9a179f9b33ca - Daniel Holbert - Bug 941916: Drop unused constructor param "aItems" from SingleLineCrossAxisPositionTracker constructor. r=mats
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# [08:15] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> shu: yeah will watch the checkin and will do the trigger
# [08:16] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> shu: just OS X this time for retrigger or better all platforms ?
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# [08:19] <shu> Tomcat|sheriffduty: i thought the intermittents were os x only?
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# [08:19] <shu> Tomcat|sheriffduty: should i repush with all platforms?
# [08:19] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> yep
# [08:19] <shu> Tomcat|sheriffduty: okay then just os x
# [08:20] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> shu: but not sure we are seeing also now xp leaks
# [08:20] <shu> Tomcat|sheriffduty: same tests or different tests?
# [08:20] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> like bug Bug 942039
# [08:20] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> also shutdown leak at least
# [08:20] <shu> what is TEST-UNEXPECTED-FAIL | ShutdownLeaks | leaked 2 DOMWindow(s) and 0 DocShell(s) until shutdown
# [08:20] <shu> is that hte new leak detector?
# [08:21] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> might be
# [08:21] <shu> Tomcat|sheriffduty: well, it's hard to pin 942039 on debugger stuff...
# [08:21] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> shu: there is also https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=30940864&tree=Mozilla-Inbound - different test but just need to file it
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# [08:22] <shu> ditto for that one, especially for tests that run before any of the debugger stuff runs
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# [08:24] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> yeah
# [08:24] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> shu: so i will retrigger bc test for all platforms, just to be sure
# [08:24] <shu> Tomcat|sheriffduty: ok. do i nede to repush?
# [08:25] <shu> Tomcat|sheriffduty: or can you do that for the existing push
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# [08:26] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> oh i think it needs a repush for all platforms then
# [08:26] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> so that linux and windows is covered too
# [08:26] <shu> Tomcat|sheriffduty: ok
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# [08:28] <shu> Tomcat|sheriffduty: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=35c7285d48ff
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# [08:28] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> shu: cool thx
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# [09:35] <firebot> volume of the A2DP devices can be changed r=mchen
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# [09:50] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> hey KWierso|afk :)
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# [09:51] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> good morning edmorley
# [09:51] <edmorley> Tomcat|sheriffduty: good morning :-)
# [09:51] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> :)
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# [09:52] <KWierso|afk> those three m2 oranges on inbound don't look nice
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# [09:54] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> causing problems there
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# [09:58] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/fa0d790596e9 - Gian-Carlo Pascutto - Bug 932692 - Check for uncaught exceptions after JNI calls followed by JNI calls. r=blassey
# [09:58] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/03ece8541cd1 - Gian-Carlo Pascutto - Bug 932692 - Remove unused rotation variables in Android WebRTC driver. r=blassey
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# [11:13] <jdm> bug 33284: make necko threadsafe
# [11:13] <jdm> ha. ha. ha
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# [11:19] <hsivonen> how does PDF.js create the top-level nsIDocument that hosts PDF.js when the location bar shows a .pdf URL?
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# [11:23] <Gijs> Tomcat|sheriffduty: if I run new dep builds on a revision (on a project branch) from the self-serve build api, will that trigger new tests, and can I use this to get test coverage on stuff that got coalesced?
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# [11:23] <glandium> jdm: find netwerk -name moz.build | while read f; do echo 'DEFINES["THREADSAFE"] = 1' >> $f; done
# [11:23] <glandium> that was easy
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# [11:24] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> edmorley: ^ see the question from Gijs , not exactly sure how self serve api works
# [11:24] <Gijs> edmorley: ie, if I had pushes a, b and c, and push C got all the test coverage, and I want tests to run on a and b separately to help narrow down a regression range, can I use self-serve for that or am I condemned to try? :)
# [11:24] <edmorley> Gijs: yes and yes :-)
# [11:24] <Gijs> awesome
# [11:25] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> cool
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# [11:25] <edmorley> Gijs: you can sometimes also cheat - jobs sometimes show up in self-serve for a push, even if that push didn't run them (ie the coalesced entry shows up, but shows the result of whenever it finally ran)
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# [11:26] <Gijs> edmorley: oh, and get a test run for that rev after all, assuming builds ran on it? :)
# [11:26] <edmorley> Gijs: so if that push had builds for that platform (but just not tests), you can press the retrigger on the self-serve page and get the test to be scheduled without needing to wait for new builds
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# [11:26] <edmorley> Gijs: yeah
# [11:26] <Gijs> ahhhhh
# [11:26] <Gijs> let me see about that
# [11:26] <Gijs> that'll make this a lot quicker
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# [11:27] <Gijs> awesome!
# [11:27] <Gijs> yes, that'll help a lot.
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# [11:29] <Gijs> huh
# [11:30] <Gijs> how come there are builds in self-serve that aren't showing up on tbpl?
# [11:30] <Gijs> edmorley: so I'm looking at https://secure.pub.build.mozilla.org/buildapi/self-serve/holly/rev/fe4ac14772f1
# [11:30] <Gijs> edmorley: it has an orange Windows 7 32-bit holly debug test mochitest-other
# [11:30] <Gijs> edmorley: is that just the coalesced variant that ran against a later rev and is the rev field simply lying?
# [11:31] <edmorley> Gijs: yes
# [11:31] <edmorley> Gijs: but that is also what conventiently lets us cheat
# [11:31] <Gijs> :(
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# [11:31] <Gijs> well right
# [11:31] <edmorley> Gijs: and yeah non-obvious lol
# [11:31] <Gijs> but lying isn't nice.
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# [11:31] <edmorley> Gijs: I think there is a bug filed for it
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# [11:34] <hsivonen> do we have some sort of canonical test image file and the test PDF file that are reachable from mochitest-browser-chrome?
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# [11:36] <Gijs> edmorley: alright, that was very helpful
# [11:36] <Gijs> edmorley: thanks! Now let's hope we can figure out what's turning this test orange RSN. :)
# [11:36] <edmorley> Gijs: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=681957 :-)
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# [11:36] <edmorley> Gijs: added a comment
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# [11:45] <Gijs> edmorley: treeherder will fix all the things, right? :P
# [11:45] <Ms2ger> Duh!
# [11:45] <edmorley> Gijs: treeherder will still be using buildapi I imagine
# [11:45] <edmorley> Gijs: it's the layer above the releng bits
# [11:46] <Gijs> :(
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# [11:46] <hsivonen> from mochitest-browser-chrome, how do I open the view menu as if the user had opened it?
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# [11:48] <Gijs> hsivonen: what do you mean "as if the user had opened it" ?
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# [11:48] <Gijs> as opposed to what? :)
# [11:48] <Gijs> (keep in mind the menubar is hidden by default on win > xp and now also on linux)
# [11:49] <hsivonen> Gijs: open in a way that makes the menu open and run the JS that runs when the user opens it
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# [11:49] <Gijs> hsivonen: I /think/ setting .open = true on the menu node might do it.
# [11:50] <Gijs> but don't kill me if that doesn't work :)
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# [11:53] <Gijs> (doesn't seem to work on OS X, at least)
# [11:54] <Gijs> (but then again, menus on OS X are special)
# [11:54] <hsivonen> Gijs: this doesn't start well, if this test can't run on OS X.
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# [11:54] <hsivonen> Gijs: I'll try that. thanks
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# [11:56] <hsivonen> Gijs: when the menu opens, does it run its JS synchronously?
# [11:56] <hsivonen> that is, can I poke at the opened menu right after setting .open = true;?
# [11:56] <Gijs> hsivonen: onpopupshowing/onpopupshown are events, so I would wager 'no'
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# [11:57] <Gijs> hsivonen: you probably want to listen for the onpopupshown event
# [11:57] <Gijs> err
# [11:57] <Gijs> popupshown event, or onpopupshown attribute, obviously
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# [11:59] <hsivonen> Gijs: ok.
# [11:59] <hsivonen> where do I see what the id of the charset menu is? that is, where's ID_PREFIX defined?
# [11:59] <Gijs> uhh, not sure what you mean
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# [12:00] <hsivonen> Gijs: there's this macro expansion: https://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/browser/base/content/browser-charsetmenu.inc#7
# [12:01] <hsivonen> from the department of fixes where the bug fix is much easier to write than the test case
# [12:01] <Gijs> Oh
# [12:01] <Gijs> blah
# [12:01] <Gijs> yes
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# [12:02] <Gijs> hsivonen: I think it's going to be ""
# [12:02] <Gijs> that prefix
# [12:02] <Gijs> see http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/7da00dcb512e
# [12:03] <Gijs> hsivonen: the only reason it was a .inc is, apparently, the Firefox app menu, which we removed in Australis
# [12:03] <hsivonen> Gijs: thanks
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# [12:04] <hsivonen> I think I'm going to cut some corners and not actually open the menu
# [12:04] <Gijs> I just checked in DOMI, and the id is just "charsetMenu" :)
# [12:04] <hsivonen> the event listeners I want are the ones that participate in what I'm trying to test
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# [13:53] <bz> er, do
# [13:53] <bz> ok
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# [14:26] <jfkthame> is it just me, or are other people finding it disconcerting that the page title is no longer displayed anywhere? (in Nightly on OS X)
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# [14:28] <glazou> jfkthame, not just you...
# [14:28] <jfkthame> ah, i see someone filed this as bug 940093
# [14:29] <glazou> and to more precise, the title is displayed in the tab, but clipped...
# [14:29] <jfkthame> yeah. clipped to the point of being pointless
# [14:29] <glazou> exactly
# [14:30] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/582687f6eaba - Jonathan Watt - Bug 638293 - When the value of <input type=number> changes, keep its anonymous text input field child in sync as appropriate. r=smaug
# [14:30] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/e4a69852984c - Jonathan Watt - Bug 665528 - Add support for placeholders to <input type=number>. r=mounir
# [14:30] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/fdb9fe9e898f - Jonathan Watt - Bug 930010 - Hide the CSS pseudo-elements for <input type=number>'s anonymous content tree from content. r=bz
# [14:30] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/435d9468467c - Jonathan Watt - Bug 635240 - Implementation of the layout and anonymous shadow tree portion of <input type=number>. r=dholbert
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# [14:31] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/764f96661644 - Jonathan Watt - Bug 927435 - When a user types into <input type=number>'s anonymous text control, update the value of the <input type=number> as appropriate. r=smaug
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# [14:37] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/8aaed2b88538 - Jonathan Watt - Bug 941539 - Add a .lldbinit file to the tree and make the build system install it to $(DIST)/bin
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# [14:37] <@smaug> jfkthame: interesting. I'd actually like to get rid of the titlebar on linux and just have tabs which are rather tiny especially since I have tons of tabs open.
# [14:39] <Cork> anyone know in what product/component one should file bugs about symlink problems on ftp.mozilla.org?
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# [14:43] <jfkthame> smaug: out of curiosity, does browser.tabs.drawInTitlebar work for you on linux? what's its default setting?
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# [14:53] <Yoric> ttaubert: I'm running http://dxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/browser/components/sessionstore/test/browser_597315.js?from=browser_597315.js#1 – do you have any idea why testURL counts as a dynamically added subframe?
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# [14:55] <glandium> smaug: i've setup my window manager not to display titlebars for years. you could do that too
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# [14:56] <@smaug> glandium: but how do I get minimize/maximize buttons still?
# [14:56] <@smaug> I'd like tabs to be on top, but min/max/close on the right
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# [14:56] <glandium> smaug: i might be wrong but i think that requires gtk3
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# [15:00] <evilpie> do you use a firefox build with gtk3?
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# [15:03] <@smaug> evilpie: well, in gtk3 environment (Gnome shell)
# [15:03] <@smaug> didn't some gtk3 stuff land to m-c
# [15:03] <evilpie> does that work? I heard that firefox with gtk3 doesn't do flash
# [15:03] <Yoric> smaug: ping
# [15:03] <@smaug> Yoric: pong
# [15:03] <Yoric> Ah, hadn't seen you were here already.
# [15:03] <glandium> evilpie: s/doesn't/can't/
# [15:03] <Yoric> smaug: Hi.
# [15:03] <@smaug> evilpie: yeah, I guess Flash wouldn't like it
# [15:04] <evilpie> stupid flash also doesn't like e10s ;)
# [15:04] <Yoric> smaug: I am trying to understand something about http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/annotate/dbf94e314cde/docshell/shistory/public/nsISHEntry.idl, I hope that you can help me.
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# [15:04] <glandium> the problem being that flash loads gtk2
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# [15:04] <@smaug> evilpie: at least some Flash works on e10s
# [15:04] <evilpie> i know
# [15:04] <Yoric> smaug: How do we determine isDynamicallyAdded()/isSubFrame()?
# [15:04] <gaston> just dont use flash ? :)
# [15:04] <evilpie> got it working with windowed mode
# [15:05] <evilpie> or wmode rather
# [15:05] <@smaug> Yoric: let see.... paging in stuff from 2010
# [15:06] <Yoric> smaug: More precisely, I have a frameset but all history entries have isDynamicallyAdded() == true and isSubFrame == true.
# [15:06] <Yoric> And they all have URI = the uri of the page containing the frameset.
# [15:07] <Yoric> So there is obviously something I don't understand.
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# [15:08] <@smaug> Yoric: do you have the testcase somewhere
# [15:08] <@smaug> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/content/base/src/nsFrameLoader.cpp#1554 is anyhow the key
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# [15:09] <Yoric> Well, I'm running an instrumented version of browser_597315
# [15:09] <Yoric> With an instrumented version of SessionHistory.jsm
# [15:09] <@smaug> and for the IsSubFrame, IIRC if we end up creating all those subframes before load event for the top level page, we won't have nsISHEntry for it with isSubFrame == false
# [15:10] <Yoric> Actually, it looks normal that isSubFrame == true, because the test navigates in subframes.
# [15:10] <Yoric> But isDynamicallyAdded is more surprising.
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# [15:11] <Yoric> So mNetworkCreated might be false in our test?
# [15:11] <Yoric> Because we have called gBrowser.addTab?
# [15:11] <Yoric> That looks surprising.
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# [15:13] <@smaug> Yoric: no, that shouldn't matter
# [15:13] <@smaug> but looking...
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# [15:14] <@smaug> Yoric: ah, the test does something during load event listener
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# [15:14] <Yoric> Indeed, it does.
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# [15:16] <Yoric> smaug: Would that change anything?
# [15:16] <@smaug> it would, in general
# [15:16] <@smaug> session history is "stabilized" right after load
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# [15:16] <@smaug> but I still don't see where this dynamic thing is coming from
# [15:17] <Yoric> Well, it looks like mNetworkCreated is never changed after construction.
# [15:17] <Yoric> Might even be a const.
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# [15:17] <Yoric> http://dxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/search?q=nsFrameLoader::Create Seems to indicate that it's often false.
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# [15:18] <Yoric> It's not clear to me which one is called, though.
# [15:19] <@smaug> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/content/html/content/src/nsGenericHTMLFrameElement.cpp#132 should have been called
# [15:21] <Yoric> Mmmh... what's that? http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/content/html/content/src/nsGenericHTMLFrameElement.cpp#208
# [15:21] <@smaug> see LoadSrc few lines above
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# [15:22] <Yoric> I still don't get it. Does this mean that the document is now loaded and that anything past this point should be considered dynamic?
# [15:22] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/13e33fcc873d - Benjamin Bouvier - Bug 939868: Merge int32 and float32 types into float32 only if the int32 can be converted; r=sstangl
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# [15:25] <@smaug> Yoric: yes, if you move the frame or iframe, its load should be considered dynamic
# [15:25] <@smaug> (but my current guess for this case is the load event. Looking at nsDocShell...)
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# [15:27] <@bsmedberg> if I do "for (let child of el.childNodes) { if (condition) el.removeChild(child); }"
# [15:27] <@bsmedberg> will the loop still work correctly?
# [15:27] <@bsmedberg> I'm seeing cases where it appear to be skipping the next child
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# [15:27] <Ms2ger> Seems plausible, I think it just does a for i = 0; ... loop
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# [15:30] <@bsmedberg> hrm, is there an equivalent loop that will dynamically update?
# [15:30] <@bsmedberg> oh, there's .children
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# [15:32] <Ms2ger> bsmedberg, .children just has elements
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# [15:32] <@bsmedberg> that's fine for my use cases... the docs say that it is a live list
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# [15:33] <Yoric> smaug: I've added a few setTimeouts, just to see if it changes anything and it doesn't
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# [15:33] <@smaug> k
# [15:33] <@smaug> I don't see now where the dynamic bit is coming
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# [15:33] <@smaug> Yoric: could you just add a break point for the case we're adding dynamic entry ?
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# [15:34] <Yoric> I've been trying to do this, but I haven't found out how to run a mochitest through the debugger.
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# [15:34] <Yoric> (--debugger fails, btw)
# [15:35] <@smaug> Yoric: start mochitest, attach debugger, run the test ?
# [15:35] <Yoric> smaug: That seems to timeout.
# [15:35] * @bsmedberg wonders if for...of is supposed to work on dynamic lists
# [15:35] <Yoric> Wait, there is a way to launch mochitest without launching the test?
# [15:35] <Yoric> I'm interested.
# [15:35] <@bsmedberg> Yoric: sure, --no-autostart or something like that
# [15:36] <Yoric> Ahaha
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# [15:36] <Yoric> Thanks
# [15:36] <Yoric> --no-autorun
# [15:36] <@smaug> runtests --test-path=path
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# [15:36] <@smaug> if mach isn't used
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# [15:36] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/535370a8c66f - Benjamin Bouvier - Bug 940846: MArrayPush shouldn't take a Float32 as an input; r=sstangl
# [15:37] <Yoric> Oh great, it can't find the symbols.
# [15:38] <Yoric> I never know how to handle this situation.
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# [15:39] <@smaug> --debugger-interactive --debugger=gdb seems to work here
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# [15:39] <Yoric> --debugger-interactive?
# [15:40] <Yoric> I don't even have that option.
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# [15:40] <Yoric> Or is that a runtests option?
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# [15:40] <@smaug> looks like --debugger=gdb is enough
# [15:40] <Yoric> In which case, which runtests are you talking about?
# [15:41] <Yoric> --debugger==lldb doesn't wfm
# [15:41] <Yoric> I'll try with gdb, but I'm not optimistic, gdb hasn't work for me in ages.
# [15:41] <Yoric> (running MacOS X)
# [15:41] <@smaug> so the old style runtest
# [15:41] <@smaug> before mach
# [15:41] <Yoric> Hey, seems to work.
# [15:42] <froydnj> Yoric: --debugger=lldb doesn't work for you?
# [15:42] <Yoric> nope
# [15:42] <froydnj> exit code 6 when trying to run firefox?
# [15:42] <@smaug> I think someone else said yesterday that --debugger= doesn't work
# [15:43] <@smaug> with mach
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# [15:43] <froydnj> that's unfortunate
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# [15:45] <Yoric> froydnj: I don't remember exactly.
# [15:45] <Yoric> I think it just tells me that it's a socket problem.
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# [15:50] <Yoric> smaug: I believe this is it: https://pastebin.mozilla.org/3653981
# [15:50] <TheOne> Gijs: ping
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# [15:50] <bz_away> the debugger + mach thing is fixed
# [15:50] <Gijs> TheOne: pong
# [15:50] <bz_away> or should be
# [15:50] <bz_away> at least on mac
# [15:50] <bz_away> it wasn't just mach
# [15:50] <bz_away> it was test automation in general
# [15:50] <bz_away> ms2ger fixed it.
# [15:50] <bz_away> ms2ger++
# [15:51] <@smaug> Yoric: oh, but that is the top level case
# [15:51] <Ms2ger> It wasn't even hard ;)
# [15:51] <Yoric> smaug: At least, that's the addTab() stack.
# [15:51] <bz_away> ms2ger: hard is a relative concept
# [15:51] <Yoric> So, do you want me to provide the next calls?
# [15:51] <bz_away> ms2ger: and person-dependent. ;)
# [15:51] <TheOne> Gijs: hi! In Australis, when I drag the "Tab groups button" beneath the "Tab list" button in the tabs bar, it shows the "back" icon, is this already known?
# [15:51] <@smaug> Yoric: yes, so that is not something to care about
# [15:51] <bz_away> e.g. I think most frame construction fixes are easy. ;)
# [15:52] <@smaug> I guess the top level nsISHEntry should never be marked dynamic
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# [15:52] <@smaug> Yoric: are the child shentries dynamic?
# [15:52] <Yoric> Well, isDynamicallyAdded() tells me that they are.
# [15:52] <TheOne> Gijs: or is this not supported? Because dragging that button into the new Firefox menu shows the right icon
# [15:53] <Yoric> But it is my understanding that they shouldn't be.
# [15:53] <Gijs> That's known, but it's a real bug, yeah
# [15:53] <Gijs> there's a couple of dupes already ;)
# [15:53] <Gijs> TheOne: ^^
# [15:53] <@smaug> Yoric: so HasDynamicallyAddedChild returns true?
# [15:53] <TheOne> Gijs: ok thx
# [15:53] <Yoric> smaug: I can test.
# [15:53] <Yoric> smaug: Not sure I can launch two mochitests at once, though.
# [15:53] <Yoric> Do you want any further data on this one?
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# [15:53] <Yoric> On this run, that is.
# [15:54] <Yoric> Btw: frame load (I believe) https://pastebin.mozilla.org/3653982
# [15:54] <@smaug> Yoric: so IsDynamicallyAdded on the top level shentry is possibly bogus (well, some definition of bogus)
# [15:54] <@smaug> yes, aNetworkCreated=true
# [15:54] <TheOne> Gijs: do you know the bug offhand? I can't find it
# [15:54] <@smaug> that is what I excepted
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# [15:55] <Yoric> smaug: Indeed, that looks better.
# [15:55] <@khuey> yay
# [15:55] <@khuey> my flight is already delayed
# [15:55] <Yoric> So wth does it tell me that it's isDynamicallyAdded()?
# [15:55] <@smaug> Yoric: if you have an SHEntry for an iframe
# [15:55] <@smaug> you can check if that is dynamically added
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# [15:56] <Gijs> TheOne: bug 940046
# [15:56] <TheOne> Gijs: great, thx!
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# [15:56] <@smaug> top level shentries just happen to be usually dynamically added, because xul:browser and html:iframe use the same nsFrameLoader
# [15:56] <TheOne> ah, I was searching for "back" instead of "left arrow"
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# [15:56] <@smaug> and in fact, IsDynamicallyAdded is "right" there. At least it is consistent.
# [15:57] <@smaug> Yoric: so you should be interested in IsDynamicallyAdded of descendants of the root nsISHEntry
# [15:57] <Yoric> smaug: Ok, so how do I check that I'm only dealing with a non-toplevel?
# [15:58] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/a9edd6f12058 - Ehsan Akhgari - Back out part of bug 940215 because of a problem detected by bug 941854
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# [15:59] <Yoric> smaug: Note that isSubFrame also returns true for the toplevel frame.
# [15:59] <@smaug> Yoric: nsISHEntry has .parent and if you QI to nsISHContainer, that has childCount
# [16:00] <Yoric> Which helps me how?
# [16:00] <@smaug> isSubFrame is about subframe navigation
# [16:00] <@smaug> Yoric: well if you have parent, you're certainly not dealing with non-toplevel nsISHEntry
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# [16:00] <@smaug> or perhaps I misunderstood the question
# [16:00] <Yoric> Ok, so parent is null for toplevel nsISHEntry?
# [16:01] <Yoric> Actually, my question was about the childCount.
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# [16:01] <Yoric> I don't understand why you tell me about childCount.
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# [16:02] <@smaug> If you care only some top-level only page case
# [16:02] <@smaug> then you don't have parent nor children
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# [16:02] <@smaug> btw, isSubFrame seems to have ok documentation
# [16:03] <Yoric> Yes, it does, I just got confused at some point in the discussion, sorry about that.
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# [16:03] <Yoric> Actually, I care about not collecting the history of dynamically added frames for session restore.
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# [16:04] <@smaug> so, you go through the SHEntry trees and check whether there are dynamically added entries
# [16:04] <@smaug> but don't check the root
# [16:05] <Yoric> That's the idea, yes.
# [16:05] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/32aaf8cf175a - Jon Coppeard - Bug 941767 - Fix rooting hazard in GetNativeForGlobal() r=bholley
# [16:05] <Yoric> I was confused by the fact that the root is dynamic, too.
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# [16:05] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/4de097a9f7a6 - Jon Coppeard - Bug 941793 - Always remove store buffer entries on relocation r=terrence
# [16:05] <@smaug> indeed, that can be confusing
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# [16:05] <Yoric> So, if I have an <iframe> containing an <iframe>, that second <iframe> won't be dynamic, right?
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# [16:06] <h4writer> owh wrong channel
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# [16:07] <@smaug> Yoric: assuming the second iframe isn't added dynamically
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# [16:07] <Yoric> indeed.
# [16:07] <@smaug> IIRC document.write, innerHTML, appendChild() all end up marking created frames dynamically created
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# [16:08] <Yoric> Fine with me.
# [16:08] <Yoric> Thank you very much for the help.
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# [16:17] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/c26abb79ec82 - Oleg Romashin - Bug 822898 - Implement pointer events. Basic Tests. r=smaug
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# [16:28] <edmorley|sheriffduty> glandium: do you have any ideas about https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Mozilla-Inbound&rev=3f67ee152c9f&jobname=xp.*debug.*jetpack (press down)
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# [16:37] <philor> we don't have anything like a talos test that measures shutdown speed, do we?
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# [16:37] <AutomatedTester> anyone know where to raise australis bugs?
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# [16:38] <jmaher> philor: we measure shutdown speed on tp5
# [16:38] <jmaher> AutomatedTester: ask Gijs, he might know
# [16:38] <philor> sweet, maybe glandium regressed that
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# [16:39] <edmorley|sheriffduty> AutomatedTester: mark blocking https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=939862
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# [16:40] <AutomatedTester> the blog post about Australis would benefit from a bugzilla link
# [16:40] <philor> heh, just comparing to the push before, he improved it quite a bit
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# [16:40] <Ms2ger> AutomatedTester, for people to flame into?
# [16:40] <philor> maybe jetpack is trying to remove the profile too slowly, instead of shutdown happening too slowly
# [16:41] <AutomatedTester> Ms2ger: people dont already flame into things?
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# [16:41] <philor> or compare-talos doesn't know which way is improvement
# [16:41] <jmaher> philor: interesting, can you link me to which tree it is
# [16:41] <philor> jmaher: http://perf.snarkfest.net/compare-talos/index.html?oldRevs=2656e9b93114&newRev=ad3f19e7c0fc&submit=true
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# [16:42] <philor> or edmorley|sheriffduty's inbound winxp debug jetpack link above, the reason I'm looking is because inbound is permapurple and should be closed
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# [16:43] <philor> tp5o_shutdown_paint winxp, -24.7%
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# [16:43] <edmorley|sheriffduty> philor: yeah I was waiting for some retriggers to see if it wasn't a mozharness/?? deploy
# [16:43] <edmorley|sheriffduty> philor: but might as well close
# [16:43] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/9c20a21b7faf - Ehsan Akhgari - Bug 942127 - Build the JS editline library in unified mode; r=glandium
# [16:43] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/da93690f74ec - Ehsan Akhgari - Bug 942124 - Build the js shell in unified mode; r=glandium
# [16:43] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/3f2f79d495d3 - Ehsan Akhgari - Bug 942122 - Build the JS gdb tests in unified mode; r=glandium
# [16:44] <jmaher> philor: hard to tell if there is a regression: http://graphs.mozilla.org/graph.html#tests=[[273,131,37]]&sel=none&displayrange=7&datatype=running
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# [16:44] <philor> edmorley|sheriffduty: 10pm Pacific, so 1am RelEng time for this week, I'm going to bet against it being them, though it's always possible
# [16:44] <jmaher> philor: I am working on fixing a few things like the shutdown stuff (fallout from mozprocess which fixed tp5 and svg for osx)
# [16:44] <Gijs> AutomatedTester: depends what the bug is about
# [16:45] <edmorley|sheriffduty> philor: ah work week, forgot
# [16:45] <edmorley|sheriffduty> philor: ty
# [16:45] <Gijs> AutomatedTester: but usually, Fx > Toolbars & Customization, Fx > Tabbed Browsing, Fx > Theme
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# [16:45] <Gijs> AutomatedTester: please mark it as blocking 'australis-merge'
# [16:45] <AutomatedTester> Gijs: the area about the tabs when opening multiple windows is not rendering cleanly
# [16:45] <AutomatedTester> I am raising a bug now
# [16:45] <philor> jmaher: interesting graph, I see a butterfly, and a unicorn, and a very large clown with a knife
# [16:45] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/ffb690f7d744 - Taylor Skidmore - Bug 941795 - Simple rename of LayerView.show/hide to LayerView.showSurface/hideSurface. r=mcomella
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# [16:45] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/b4867e279d3c - Michael Shuen - Bug 941406 - Build netwerk/dns in unified mode. r=ehsan
# [16:45] <Gijs> AutomatedTester: what platform?
# [16:45] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/3b0fc0963fc1 - Dan Glastonbury - Bug 939368 - Add lost context check to WebGLContext::DrawBuffers() to stop NULL
# [16:45] <AutomatedTester> Gijs: OSX
# [16:46] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/e9e744a809df - Olli Pettay - Bug 941888 - Add null check to nsXULElement::GetWindowWidget(). r=mats
# [16:46] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/bd8942ec737b - Chris Pearce - Bug 941857 - Only build WMFPlatofrmDecoderModule when MOZ_WMF is defined. r=kinetik
# [16:46] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/82131a5ab66d - Michael Shuen - Bug 940832 - Build content/mathml/content/src in unified mode. r=bzbarsky
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# [16:46] <Gijs> AutomatedTester: are you seeing glitches on the window buttons (red/yellow/green things) ?
# [16:46] <philor> good thing most checkins don't affect jetpack
# [16:46] <Gijs> AutomatedTester: because that's known and fixed in tomorrow's nightly, I think. IIRC it just missed today's (but it wouldn't hurt to update and check)
# [16:47] <AutomatedTester> Gijs: https://www.evernote.com/shard/s63/sh/8095bfaf-7bcc-4de9-b500-e0ddd4076b07/db8cb28e1e76e476c7250f4577ce8bc3
# [16:47] <Gijs> AutomatedTester: the fullscreen button glitching also has a bug filed against it already.
# [16:47] <AutomatedTester> I tried to print and had my finger on shift at the same time
# [16:47] <Gijs> Oh.
# [16:47] <Gijs> That is weird
# [16:47] <Gijs> mconley: ^^
# [16:47] <Gijs> mconley: is that the bug you were just talking about?
# [16:47] <Gijs> with the half-rendering?
# [16:47] <mconley> Gijs: yeash
# [16:47] <mconley> er, yeah
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# [16:47] <Gijs> AutomatedTester: so, also filed already ;)
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# [16:48] <AutomatedTester> awesome
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# [16:48] <AutomatedTester> mconley: whats the bug number?
# [16:48] <AutomatedTester> or Gijs?
# [16:48] * mconley looks
# [16:50] <mconley> mstange: --^ do you remember?
# [16:50] <mstange> one sec
# [16:51] <mstange> bug 936033
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# [16:51] <mstange> But it looks like the fullscreen button is not completely fixed yet
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# [16:51] <mstange> I can reproduce the artifacts in the current Nightly, and that already has the fix
# [16:51] <mconley> hrm
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# [16:52] <mstange> I'm going to clone that bug
# [16:52] <mconley> coolbeans
# [16:52] <@bsmedberg> jimm: ping
# [16:52] <jimm> bsmedberg: pong
# [16:52] <mstange> oops
# [16:52] <mstange> it was bug 934023 actually
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# [16:52] <@bsmedberg> jimm: I have a question about Firefox desktop in fullscreen mode
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# [16:52] <jimm> ok
# [16:53] <@bsmedberg> jimm: the maximize/minimize/restore buttons when we're *not* fullscreen are drawn by the OS, right?
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# [16:53] <@bsmedberg> but when we're in fullscreen mode, we draw our own buttons using XUL
# [16:53] <jimm> depends on the os
# [16:53] <@bsmedberg> win7
# [16:53] <jimm> then yes
# [16:53] <jimm> and yes
# [16:53] <BenWa> ehsan: 9mins builds, we broken even yesterday
# [16:53] <@bsmedberg> so I'm writing an extension to make fullscreen using the "normal" buttons, not the XUL ones
# [16:53] <@ehsan> BenWa: :(
# [16:54] <@bsmedberg> but they just show up as black
# [16:54] <mstange> AutomatedTester, mconley: I've filed bug 942170
# [16:54] <jimm> bsmedberg: oh, except if you're in basic/classic theme. we only rely on the os for glass buttons.
# [16:54] <mconley> mstange: great, thanks!
# [16:54] <@bsmedberg> yeah, I'm glass for the moment
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# [16:55] <RyanVM> Yoric: fx-team bustage
# [16:55] <AutomatedTester> mstange: want my screenshot in there too?
# [16:55] <gcp> Gijs: ha, thanks for finding that dupe
# [16:55] <RyanVM> Yoric: OSFileConstants.cpp(822) : error C2228: left of '.Append' must have class/struct/union
# [16:55] <mstange> AutomatedTester: that would be great, yes
# [16:55] <jimm> bsmedberg: since glass butons are drawn by the Windows compositor, we just make space for them in our ui. Windows slaps those down after our window gets rendered and handed to the compositor.
# [16:56] <@bsmedberg> jimm: hrm. I guess that doesn't happen by default in fullscreen
# [16:56] <edmorley|sheriffduty> RyanVM: also inbound b4867e279d3c warns as errors
# [16:56] <RyanVM> *sigh*
# [16:56] <jimm> bsmedberg: we switch to a non-chrome window in fullscreen mode, and render everything internally.
# [16:56] <AutomatedTester> mstange: done
# [16:56] <RyanVM> ehsan: ping
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# [16:56] <@ehsan> RyanVM: hi
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# [16:56] <mstange> AutomatedTester: thanks!
# [16:57] <RyanVM> inbound Werror unified bustage
# [16:57] <@bsmedberg> jimm: is there any way I can "undo" that?
# [16:57] <@ehsan> ?
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# [16:57] <RyanVM> ehsan: you r+ed :)
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# [16:57] <RyanVM> mind looking?
# [16:57] <mstange> AutomatedTester: oh, wait! Looks like we were talking about a different bug there!
# [16:57] <@ehsan> sure
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# [16:57] <@ehsan> RyanVM: (I don't test the patches I r+ ;)
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# [16:58] <@ehsan> RyanVM: want me to push a fix?
# [16:58] <RyanVM> sure
# [16:58] <mstange> AutomatedTester: your bug is bug 941559, I didn't see your screenshot before apparently
# [16:58] <Yoric> RyanVM: ?
# [16:58] <RyanVM> I won't hold Werror bustage against Michael either
# [16:58] <RyanVM> Yoric: OSFileConstants.cpp(822) : error C2228: left of '.Append' must have class/struct/union
# [16:58] <Yoric> Ok, I guess I must have forgotten to run this through VC++.
# [16:58] <RyanVM> Yoric: bustage from bug 941565
# [16:58] <Yoric> I'll fix that.
# [16:58] <Yoric> Sorry about that.
# [16:58] <RyanVM> Yoric: shall I backout or do you want to spot fix?
# [16:58] <Yoric> I need to leave the office now, so if you could backout that would be great.
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# [16:59] <RyanVM> k
# [16:59] <jimm> bsmedberg: we could use the theme code to render basic buttons in place of our custom drawn ones. but we can't do glass buttons since we have the slide up nav bar.
# [16:59] <jimm> windows would paint those on top of content.
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# [16:59] <RyanVM> ah crap, closed tree
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# [17:00] <jimm> bsmedberg: what are you trying to fix?
# [17:00] <edmorley|sheriffduty> philor: does your spidey sense say the jetpack bustage is clobber related?
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# [17:00] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/2d8d46e3e15c - Ehsan Akhgari - Follow-up to bug 941406 - Mark a variable as DebugOnly in order to shut up the compiler warning
# [17:00] <@bsmedberg> jimm: an extension which puts the titlebar back in Australis
# [17:01] <edmorley|sheriffduty> (I've clobbered and retriggered prior pushes in case we have to fall back to that in an hrs time)
# [17:01] <@ehsan> bsmedberg: yes please!
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# [17:01] <philor> edmorley|sheriffduty: nope, so far all I'm feeling is that one of c30371a66429 or 1eb6ceed2cda somehow affected shutdown, maybe speed, maybe, um, asserting and crashing very late during shutdown?
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# [17:02] <edmorley|sheriffduty> philor: sounds plausible :-)
# [17:02] <@bsmedberg> ehsan: benjamin.smedbergs.us/aero-window-title.xpi only a little weirdness in fullscreen mode
# [17:02] <philor> or not all that late, since the log shows --DOMWINDOW == 310 and then stops
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# [17:03] <@ehsan> bsmedberg: 1. is it windows only? 2. does it do anything other than toggling the drawInTitlebar pref?
# [17:03] <jimm> bsmedberg: not sure where the type of window switching happens for fullscreen mode.
# [17:03] <jimm> probably down in the global window, doubt that's controllable by script.
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# [17:04] <@bsmedberg> ehsan: win/mac and it doesn't toggle the pref, it does things via CSS
# [17:04] <@ehsan> huh
# [17:04] <@ehsan> bsmedberg: isn't toggling the pref a better option?
# [17:04] <@bsmedberg> ehsan: looks like crap on Windows
# [17:04] <@ehsan> :(
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# [17:04] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/ed4f3c12c532 - Ed Morley - Backed out changeset 1eb6ceed2cda (bug 938437) on suspicion of causing WinXP debug jetpack failures on a CLOSED TREE
# [17:05] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/de482d38dc53 - Ed Morley - Backed out changeset c30371a66429 (bug 941450)
# [17:05] <@ehsan> bsmedberg: I hope we reconsider the removal of the title bar before we ship australis...
# [17:05] <@bsmedberg> ehsan: also it doesn't actually draw the window title (on windows)
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# [17:05] <@ehsan> oh, I didn't know that
# [17:05] <philor> mmm, look what's on m-c
# [17:05] * @ehsan has tried the pref on mac only
# [17:05] <@bsmedberg> we haven't shown the window title on Windows since Firefox 4 or so
# [17:05] <@ehsan> and has seen only one (terrible) bug
# [17:05] <@ehsan> yeah so no wonder it regressed
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# [17:05] <@bsmedberg> I've been maintaining this extension for a while now ;-)
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# [17:06] <@bsmedberg> only now do the mac users get to experience it also
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# [17:06] <@ehsan> mconley: how much do we care about drawInTitlebar bugs?
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# [17:07] <mconley> ehsan: it's always good to file bugs
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# [17:07] <jimm> bsmedberg: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/dom/base/nsGlobalWindow.cpp#5567
# [17:08] <jimm> and http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/widget/windows/nsWindow.cpp#2774
# [17:08] <@ehsan> mconley: have you seen the bug where the titlebar disappears when you disconnect your external monitor on mac?
# [17:08] <mconley> ehsan: I have not, no. :/
# [17:08] <@ehsan> :(
# [17:08] * @ehsan can't repro now
# [17:08] <@ehsan> I'll file it
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# [17:09] <RyanVM> edmorley|sheriffduty: don't worry about the JP purple on m-c
# [17:09] <RyanVM> we can just star the few jobs until the next merge
# [17:09] <AutomatedTester> mstange: thanks for that, updated the bug I attached my screenshot to :)
# [17:09] <edmorley|sheriffduty> RyanVM: cool
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# [17:12] <@ehsan> o_O
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# [17:12] <@ehsan> edmorley|sheriffduty: why did you back out bug 941450?
# [17:12] <@ehsan> that will break all of the things :(
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# [17:13] <edmorley|sheriffduty> ehsan: jetpack failures due to one of the things in glandium's push
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# [17:13] <edmorley|sheriffduty> ehsan: it wasn't clear there were dependencies, sorry
# [17:13] <@ehsan> :(
# [17:13] <@ehsan> edmorley|sheriffduty: can you please reland? there are two deps (at least) that we know of
# [17:13] <@ehsan> there could be more which we don't know of
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# [17:14] <edmorley|sheriffduty> ehsan: we can reland when someone fixes https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Mozilla-Inbound&jobname=Windows%20XP%2032-bit%20mozilla-inbound%20debug%20test%20jetpack
# [17:14] <edmorley|sheriffduty> (press down)
# [17:14] <edmorley|sheriffduty> ehsan: or more we can reland, but the tree will still be closed until that's fixed
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# [17:14] <@ehsan> edmorley|sheriffduty: have you talked to whoever owns this stuff?
# [17:14] <mstange> AutomatedTester: thank you
# [17:14] * @ehsan is not that person
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# [17:15] <edmorley|sheriffduty> ehsan: ok but the tree is clsoed and glandium didn't respond to my question in this channel (forget which timezone he is in at the moment), so I didn't have any other choice
# [17:15] <@ehsan> he lives in Japan
# [17:15] <@ehsan> and is asleep now
# [17:15] <jmaher> edmorley|sheriffduty: I saw him reply to a bugzilla comment a couple hours ago
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# [17:16] <edmorley|sheriffduty> ok, so inbound stays closed for now
# [17:16] <@ehsan> edmorley|sheriffduty: well, I'm trying to tell you that you can't back out just bug 941450 :)
# [17:16] <@ehsan> that will cause random build failures
# [17:16] <@ehsan> if you want you can back out the dependencies
# [17:16] <@ehsan> and be ready to deal with the ones that we don't know
# [17:16] <Ms2ger> Then do that
# [17:16] <edmorley|sheriffduty> ehsan: ok, let's reland that and hope that maybe the other bug was responsible
# [17:16] <@ehsan> what is the other bug?
# [17:17] <@ehsan> oh hmm
# [17:17] <edmorley|sheriffduty> ehsan: and failing that we can wait until glandium is awake or else revert inbound to 2656e9b93114
# [17:17] <@ehsan> I'm pretty sure you can't back out one of them without the other
# [17:17] <@ehsan> I guess let's keep the tree closed then? :/
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# [17:17] <edmorley|sheriffduty> wfm
# [17:17] <@ehsan> whatever we do, the current tree is broken :)
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# [17:17] <edmorley|sheriffduty> ehsan: yeah agreed
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# [17:18] <@ehsan> can you please reland those two patches for now then? *or* back out the two known dependencies?
# [17:18] <@ehsan> (the choice is yours)
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# [17:19] <RyanVM> ehsan: some choice
# [17:19] <RyanVM> hint: we're not re-landing known bustage
# [17:19] <@ehsan> RyanVM: see above, I'm trying to explain that backing out just that one patch is definitely going to break the tree
# [17:19] <RyanVM> that's fine
# [17:20] <RyanVM> the only option is backing out the other stuff then
# [17:20] <RyanVM> there isn't a re-land option here is what I'm saying
# [17:20] <@ehsan> ok!
# [17:20] <@ehsan> isn't that what I said? :)
# [17:20] <RyanVM> i saw two proposed options ;)
# [17:20] <@ehsan> well there is
# [17:20] <@ehsan> because whatever we do the tree will be broken!
# [17:20] <@ehsan> so we can choose which brokenness we want
# [17:20] <@ehsan> the jetpack brokenness
# [17:21] <@ehsan> or random build failures
# [17:21] <RyanVM> we have a clear patch forward - backout the regressor and any other dependencies
# [17:21] <RyanVM> path*
# [17:21] <RyanVM> that's the *only* option
# [17:21] <@ehsan> (I *think* the likelihood of random build failures is lower)
# [17:21] <@ehsan> but I'm not sure
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# [17:21] <RyanVM> well, I suppose we could just revert inbound too
# [17:21] <@ehsan> the thing is we probably don't know all of the dependencies
# [17:21] <@ehsan> but we do know two of them
# [17:22] <@ehsan> reverting inbound seems like too big of a hammer
# [17:22] <RyanVM> well, I guess we don't have much of a choice but to wait to see what breaks and go from there
# [17:22] <RyanVM> edmorley|sheriffduty: looking at the backout, I'm guessing we may want a clobber too
# [17:22] <@ehsan> RyanVM: edmorley|sheriffduty: also to make things worse, glandium will wake up on a Saturday...
# [17:23] <RyanVM> ehsan: what are the two known ones?
# [17:23] <@ehsan> RyanVM: hmm, maybe it's better to back out the two known dependencies?
# [17:23] <RyanVM> (might as well get them now if we know they'll be trouble)
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# [17:23] <@ehsan> see the bug
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# [17:23] <@ehsan> I can do the backout for you
# [17:23] <RyanVM> might as well
# [17:23] <@ehsan> ok
# [17:23] <RyanVM> touch CLOBBER too
# [17:24] <@ehsan> ok
# [17:24] <RyanVM> thanks :)
# [17:24] <edmorley|sheriffduty> ehsan: I;ve filed https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=942184
# [17:24] <@ehsan> oh
# [17:24] <@ehsan> actually one of them is not yet landed!
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# [17:25] <edmorley|sheriffduty> ehsan: agree totally with what you are saying, I just don't know the best path forwards
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# [17:25] <edmorley|sheriffduty> and/or losing the will to live with the tree in general at the moment
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# [17:25] <RyanVM> edmorley|sheriffduty: I suppose we could ask ourselves how much we care about XP JP
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# [17:25] <RyanVM> and just hide it
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# [17:25] <@ehsan> edmorley|sheriffduty: you should eat lunch :)
# [17:25] <@ehsan> I'm backing out the dependency
# [17:25] <edmorley|sheriffduty> ehsan: sounds like a plan :-)
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# [17:26] <@ehsan> edmorley|sheriffduty: well, it's not really lunch any more ;)
# [17:26] <RyanVM> linner?
# [17:26] <RyanVM> lunner
# [17:27] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/53f09386d367 - Ehsan Akhgari - Backed out changeset 5993d8ad664c (bug 939608) because bug 941450 was backed out
# [17:27] <@ehsan> oh fuck
# [17:27] <@ehsan> I forgot to touch clobber :(
# [17:27] <@ehsan> sorry :(
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# [17:28] <RyanVM> i'll clobber inbound
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# [17:28] <RyanVM> and touch clobber on the next merge to m -c
# [17:28] <@ehsan> wait
# [17:28] <@ehsan> RyanVM: I pushed another patch
# [17:28] <RyanVM> k
# [17:28] <@ehsan> erm
# [17:28] <@ehsan> no
# [17:28] <@ehsan> I didn't
# [17:28] <@ehsan> some kind of hook is preventing me :(
# [17:28] <RyanVM> ?
# [17:29] <@ehsan> nm please clobber
# [17:29] <RyanVM> done
# [17:29] <@ehsan> ty
# [17:29] <@ehsan> oh
# [17:29] <@ehsan> I guess I needed a bug number
# [17:29] <@ehsan> pff
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# [17:29] <RyanVM> No bug - works too
# [17:30] <@ehsan> yeah, forgot about it
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# [17:39] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/8db4465f4e92 - Tim Taubert - Bug 919060 - Make browser_625016.js wait for another saveState() call if the window is untracked. r=smacleod, a=test-only
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# [17:43] <fabrice1> mayhemer: ping
# [17:43] <mayhemer> fabrice1: yup
# [17:43] <fabrice1> mayhemer: so, I fix things are broke others ;)
# [17:44] <fabrice1> mayhemer: we are failing in ipc mode because the parent has no list of allowed domains
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# [17:45] <mayhemer> fabrice1: it has NOT to have it
# [17:45] <mayhemer> fabrice1: it has to interact only with the permission manager
# [17:45] <fabrice1> mayhemer: ok... so this is what makes us fail oop
# [17:45] <mayhemer> why?
# [17:45] <RyanVM> ttaubert: ping
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# [17:46] <bz_not_away> wtf?
# [17:46] <bz_not_away> Why is my Firefox not reporting uncaught exceptions???
# [17:46] <fabrice1> mayhemer: let me get you a backtrace
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# [17:47] <bz_not_away> data:text/html,<script>foopy()</script>
# [17:47] <bz_not_away> web console shows nothing
# [17:47] <bz_not_away> Same for browser console?
# [17:48] <bz_not_away> Did we kill the error console?
# [17:48] <bz_not_away> anyway
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# [17:54] <jesup> I think the error console is still hidden somewhere, but it should be in the web console IIRC
# [17:55] <jesup> may need to set an about:config pref for error console - if it hasn't been removed since then
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# [17:55] <RyanVM> data:text/html,<script>foopy()</script>;
# [17:55] <RyanVM> SyntaxError: syntax error
# [17:55] <RyanVM> is what I see in the web console with the JS button clicked
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# [18:05] <RyanVM> jaws: ping
# [18:05] <RyanVM> jaws: you've got Android mochitest failures on fx-team
# [18:05] <RyanVM> jaws: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=30963874&tree=Fx-Team
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# [18:08] <nbp> ehsan: the regression range is http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/pushloghtml?fromchange=ad3f19e7c0fc3f355d3127eb56ae09d191676479&tochange=3f67ee152c9fc80a7686848bd5bbe520feb92fa7
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# [18:08] <@ehsan> nbp: that is pretty narrow :)
# [18:08] <@ehsan> nbp: want me to back out?
# [18:09] <nbp> ehsan: I can check that on Monday if you want.
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# [18:09] <@ehsan> nbp: well, there's nothing else js related in that range
# [18:10] <nbp> ehsan: there is Terrence patch, but ForkJoinSlice is only for PJS.
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# [18:10] <RyanVM> ehsan: so what bustage are we expecting on Ed's backout?
# [18:10] <@ehsan> nbp: oh right
# [18:10] <RyanVM> because everything's green so far
# [18:11] <@ehsan> RyanVM: possible random build failures
# [18:11] <@ehsan> (intermittent)
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# [18:11] <@ehsan> nbp: ok please tell me what I need to do :)
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# [18:11] <nbp> ehsan: you can try to backout.
# [18:12] <@ehsan> k
# [18:12] <@ehsan> RyanVM: can I back out on the closed tree?
# [18:12] <RyanVM> sure
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# [18:12] <nbp> ehsan: FYI, AWFY B2G is running within the browser app of B2G, and I also suspect "Bug 939608 - Part 2" to be part of the regression
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# [18:13] <@ehsan> nbp: that is already backed out...
# [18:13] <@ehsan> nbp: should we wait?
# [18:13] <nbp> ehsan: also, as I mentionned in the bug, this is likely some code locality issue :/
# [18:13] <nbp> ehsan: sure.
# [18:13] <@ehsan> nbp: whatever the cause is I will probably unassign it from myself :)
# [18:13] <@ehsan> I won't be the right person to figure it out
# [18:14] <@ehsan> nbp: alright so please let me know when and if you need me to back out something
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# [18:19] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/e05ba13f8bfa - Terrence Cole - Bug 941837 - Reduce JS heap fragmentation to help a CLOSED TREE; r=billm
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# [18:25] <@ehsan> RyanVM: nope, sounds good
# [18:25] <@ehsan> and thanks
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# [18:31] <jaws> RyanVM: ffff
# [18:31] <RyanVM> nrc: ping
# [18:32] <RyanVM> jaws: I've got your backout queued
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# [18:32] <jaws> ok sorry
# [18:32] <RyanVM> just trying to figure out the robocop failures
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# [18:32] <jaws> RyanVM: it didn't show up on https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Fx-Team&rev=fae487ae86fc
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# [18:32] <RyanVM> yes it did...
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# [18:33] <RyanVM> jaws ^
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# [18:33] <jaws> oh, i didn't know it would be under 8
# [18:33] <jaws> RyanVM: ^
# [18:33] <RyanVM> Android chunking is different
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# [18:33] <RyanVM> so yeah...
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# [18:35] <jaws> yeah
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# [18:44] <catlee> ehsan: any tips for using gdb to catch this update crash?
# [18:44] <catlee> I've tried follow-fork-mode child, but that doesn't seem to work
# [18:44] <@ehsan> catlee: hmm
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# [18:44] <@ehsan> I do remember running into the same problem
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# [18:44] <@ehsan> the thing is we don't fork
# [18:44] <@ehsan> we just vexec iirc
# [18:45] <catlee> there's follow-exec-mode too
# [18:45] <@ehsan> try that maybe?
# [18:45] <@ehsan> (I think that didn't work...)
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# [18:46] <@ehsan> catlee: oh see http://stackoverflow.com/questions/10671229/gdb-follow-execv
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# [18:48] <@ehsan> oh
# [18:49] <@ehsan> catch exec
# [18:49] <@ehsan> that's probably what you want
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# [18:50] <gaston> js/src/jscompartment.cpp:824: undefined reference to `js::AutoDebugModeInvalidation::~AutoDebugModeInvalidation()'
# [18:50] <RyanVM> ehsan: looks like backing out glandium worked
# [18:50] <gaston> rings abell to anyone ?
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# [19:11] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/d8d39b1716a8 - Nathan Froyd - Bug 940637 - part 0 - add helper function for getService magic; r=jmaher
# [19:11] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/65c17a201cd9 - Nathan Froyd - Bug 940637 - part 2 - update TestRunner.js to understand new dumping options; r=jmaher
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# [19:11] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/cc4c02a6bb5c - Nathan Froyd - Bug 940637 - part 1 - add dump options to runtests.py and propagate to mochitests; r=jmaher
# [19:11] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/93ae647825db - Nathan Froyd - Bug 940637 - part 0b - add a license header and editor modelines to MemoryStats.js; r=jmaher
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# [19:48] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> jaws: ooo, Windows debug m-oth perma-fail on Holly
# [19:48] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> that didn't take long
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# [19:49] <jaws> RyanVM|sheriffduty: uh oh
# [19:50] <Gijs> jaws: we already know this
# [19:50] <Gijs> RyanVM|sheriffduty: I've been investigating but I busted all my try pushes this morning
# [19:51] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> win
# [19:51] <Gijs> jaws: it's the layer thing again
# [19:51] <Gijs> yeah
# [19:51] <Gijs> I know
# [19:51] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> any idea when nightlies will be running?
# [19:51] <msucan> firefox 26 beta is particularly crashy for me. anyone noticed this?
# [19:51] <Gijs> I thought I'd be smart and nix all the build stuff out of the diff
# [19:51] <jaws> Gijs: oh yeah it's the bug that i reopened yesterday
# [19:51] <jaws> yeah i knew about this
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# [19:56] <jaws> Gijs: did one of the patches that we merged in need to get backed out?
# [19:56] <Gijs> jaws: I don't think so.
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# [19:56] <jaws> neither did i
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# [19:56] <Gijs> jaws: I think it's a graphics issue. I should just rerun my try runs without the attempt to back out all the build stuff
# [19:56] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/36be4254baba - Ehsan Akhgari - Bug 941417 - Build ipc/glue in unified mode; r=bent
# [19:56] <jaws> ok
# [19:56] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/343050db8d4e - Ehsan Akhgari - Bug 942116 - Stop using the register keyword in the JS engine; r=luke
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# [19:57] <Gijs> jaws: I posted a diff in the bug, feel free to have a look
# [19:57] <Gijs> jaws: there's almost nothing in /browser, nevermind something that'd cause this, AFAICT
# [19:57] * jaws looks through email to find the bug
# [19:57] <Gijs> (no CSS changes except devtools, AFAICT)
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# [19:59] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/061c63d261e5 - Bobby Holley - Bug 933681 - Tests. r=jorendorff
# [19:59] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/497280442d1d - Bobby Holley - Bug 933681 - Rename the tables in jsapi.cpp to something that makes sense. r=jorendorff
# [20:00] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/176caf61a975 - Bobby Holley - Bug 933681 - Resolve canonical eval() onto Xrayed globals. r=jorendorff
# [20:00] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/72db5a6ae5c8 - Bobby Holley - Bug 933681 - Define JSStdName tables in terms of jsprototypes.h. r=jorendorff
# [20:00] <jorendorff> ping me some more please
# [20:00] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/93cead0610da - Bobby Holley - Bug 933681 - Add lookups for standard classes in XrayWrapper. r=jorendorff
# [20:00] <jorendorff> thanks
# [20:00] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/30bbe45c775e - Bobby Holley - Bug 933681 - Factor JSStdName table iteration into a helper function. r=jorendorff
# [20:00] <jorendorff> you can stop now
# [20:00] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/98881f65a665 - Bobby Holley - Bug 933681 - Introduce an API to map from names to JSProtoKeys. r=jorendorff
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# [20:00] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/b5ad39d10f98 - Bobby Holley - Bug 933681 - Always stash resolved constructors in global slots, and kill markStandardClassInitializedNoProto. r=jorendorff
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# [20:01] <froydnj> look at all that context firebot is providing in those pings, though
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# [20:01] <jorendorff> true
# [20:01] <@ehsan> jwatt: got a sec to rs https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=942248
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# [20:02] <jaws> Gijs: i filed a new bug for this, bug 942250
# [20:02] <Gijs> jaws: thanks
# [20:02] <jaws> yw
# [20:03] <dmajor> bz: where did you get 1.3mb or GetBuffer? all I see are empty dumps
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# [20:04] <bz> dmajor: from the windbg log in the bug?
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# [20:05] <bz> dmajor: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=930797#c0
# [20:05] <dmajor> bz: oh. oops. I actually have to read things that users very kindly take time to collect? :)
# [20:05] <bz> dmajor:
# [20:05] <bz> ea1df4e0 105e28ab mozalloc!moz_xmalloc(unsigned int size = 0x151800)+0x1b [e:\builds\moz2_slave\rel-m-rel-w32_bld-000000000000\build\memory\mozalloc\mozalloc.cpp @ 56]
# [20:05] <bz> ea1df4f8 106235c9 xul!mozilla::layers::BufferRecycleBin::GetBuffer(unsigned int aSize = 0x9c4cf9a4)+0x52 [e:\builds\moz2_slave\rel-m-rel-w32_bld-000000000000\build\gfx\layers\imagecontainer.cpp @ 111]
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# [20:05] <froydnj> terrence++
# [20:05] <bz> dmajor: ignoring the the moment that aSize is different in GetBuffer itself
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# [20:06] <bz> dmajor: I figured the 0x151800 is a likely number for the size
# [20:06] <froydnj> "Improvement: Firefox - Tp5 Optimized Responsiveness - MacOSX 10.6 (rev4) - 100% decrease"
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# [20:06] <bz> and I blame "optimizations" for the mismatch. ;)
# [20:06] <froydnj> I hope one of my patches is responsible for that
# [20:07] <mbrubeck> jmaher is on top of the Responsiveness "regression"
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# [20:07] <jmaher> mbrubeck: yeah, my fix wasn't as good as I would have liked :(
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# [20:08] <dmajor> bz: ok, cool, I see it now
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# [20:19] <Gijs> So there's someone on fx-dev who's seeing a lot of crashes on 25.1 as compared to previous builds, and submitted 10 crash reports. All of the ones I've seen from that list are in moz_alloc. I'm guessing something is leaking or such, but is there something we can ask them to do next to assess the issue? Cross-post to dev platform and let other folks take it from there?
# [20:19] <jesup> akeybl: bajaj: who is handling Aurora approvals?
# [20:20] <Gijs> https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=&hl=en#!topic/firefox-dev/kxsl86JhTSY for context
# [20:20] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/4eca387b65c5 - Steve Workman - Bug 941884 - Add negative DNS cache entries to the eviction queue r=mcmanus
# [20:20] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/f7b3e94e3d50 - Steve Workman - Bug 941884 - Add some null checks for nsHostRecords r=mcmanus
# [20:20] <lizzard> Gijs: They could file a bug with the crash ids in it
# [20:20] <Gijs> Oh, except the crash ID message hasn't gone through to google yet
# [20:20] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> jesup: bajaj
# [20:20] <jesup> RyanVM|sheriffduty: thanks
# [20:21] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> jesup: if it's about the bug I think it's about, I was going to assume approval as well ;)
# [20:22] <Gijs> lizzard: well, is there some other diagnostic that we can use for leakage that we could tell them about? I feel bad just going "Now that you've emailed us with all these crashes, can you file a bugreport with basically the same stuff"
# [20:22] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/e58ce8839585 - Ethan Hugg - Bug 940819 - Signaling - use IPC_PRIVATE instead of generating unique key for IPC r=jesup
# [20:22] <@bsmedberg> Gijs: I've got several of these, I'm planning on starting a thread today.
# [20:22] <@bsmedberg> Gijs: our debugging tools aren't great for this sort of thing
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# [20:23] <dmajor> OOM Allocation Size
# [20:23] <dmajor> 48
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# [20:24] <bz> dmajor: ouch
# [20:24] <bz> dmajor: I will claim infallible malloc is the right answer there... :(
# [20:24] <Gijs> bsmedberg: alright. Would you mind replying to the fx-dev thread when you do that? :)
# [20:24] <bz> dmajor: was this running on an early-90s Casio calculator?
# [20:24] * bz bets not
# [20:24] <@bsmedberg> bz: the answer to what?
# [20:24] <@bsmedberg> We have a serious memory issue in Fx25 for some users
# [20:25] <bz> bsmedberg: to not being able to allocate 48 bytes
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# [20:25] <bz> bsmedberg: fair.
# [20:25] <Ms2ger> bz, no, a TI
# [20:25] <@bsmedberg> well yeah, that's the proximate cause of the crash, but not the thing we're going to fix
# [20:25] <lizzard> Gijs: your advice and bc's seems good to me in that thread
# [20:25] <bz> bsmedberg: Makes sense.
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# [20:25] <bz> bsmedberg: Do we have any way of reporting not just the virtual memory available but the size of the biggest available virtual chunk?
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# [20:26] <@bsmedberg> bz: yes actually, starting Tuesday
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# [20:26] <bz> bsmedberg: awesome. :)
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# [20:26] <@bsmedberg> bz: unfortunately not in the crash-stats UI, and also not for anything with an empty minidump (which are also OOM crashes)
# [20:26] <@bsmedberg> but it should be good enuogh to help
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# [20:26] <@bsmedberg> hbase/jydoop FTW
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# [20:27] <bz> bsmedberg: slightly less awesome, from y pov. ;)
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# [20:27] <bz> er, my
# [20:27] <@bsmedberg> bz: yeah I know
# [20:27] <bz> Who can do those queries?
# [20:27] <@ehsan> jwatt: yep
# [20:27] <bz> Just so I know whom to pester with needinfo if needbe?
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# [20:27] <@bsmedberg> bz: myself or a bug in Socorro: Data Request
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# [20:28] <@dolske> 48 bytes ought to be enough for anybody.
# [20:29] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> dolske++
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# [20:29] <jld> Lazyweb, did ted's patch to make breakpad understand the ARM exception handling format affect the crash reporter, or just the profiler?
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# [20:30] <bz> bsmedberg: gotcha
# [20:30] <@ted> jld: i um
# [20:30] <@ted> that's a good question
# [20:30] <bz> bsmedberg, dmajor: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=930797#c17 is awesome
# [20:30] <@ted> plausibly both, but i don't know that we'd know in practice
# [20:30] <bz> bsmedberg, dmajor: fragmentation down to below the 10MB range sure would kill graphics....
# [20:30] <jwatt> ehsan: done - although you could probably just have gone ahead and landed that ;)
# [20:30] <@ted> because you'd only see a difference when dumping stripped binaries
# [20:30] <jld> ted: In particular, b2g libc.so.sym seems to not have any of the syscall asm stubs.
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# [20:31] <@ted> jld: if the library has dwarf we'll use that preferentially
# [20:31] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/94c3daf6e242 - Ehsan Akhgari - Bug 942248 - Fix a non-unified build bustage in nsNumberControlFrame.cpp; r=jwatt
# [20:31] <bz> bsmedberg: have we shipped h264 on win7+?
# [20:31] <@ted> so if those symbols aren't dwarf-annotated they'll probably get missed
# [20:31] <@ehsan> jwatt: yeah thanks, I wanted to stick to the rules :)
# [20:31] <bz> bsmedberg: and if so, what release?
# [20:31] <bjacob> RyanVM|sheriffduty: could you please consider upping the priority of at least a couple of my Android 2.2 mochitest jobs on https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=4c35569a7afb ?
# [20:31] <@ted> bz: yes
# [20:31] <@ehsan> jwatt: I can't break them all the time ;)
# [20:31] <@bsmedberg> bz: I believe so and I don't know
# [20:31] <jwatt> ehsan: meh :)
# [20:31] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> bjacob: you can do that yourself you know :P
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# [20:31] <bjacob> RyanVM|sheriffduty: oh, i didnt know, looking
# [20:31] <bz> because those STR are to watch a bunch of youtube videos using <video>
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# [20:32] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> bjacob: it's not something we like to advertise
# [20:32] <jld> ted: Ah, I see. Yeah, I think they're just symbols and exidx entries, not DWARF. The symbols don't even have a FUNC for them.
# [20:32] <jld> (The breakpad symbols, not the ELF symbols. Words. Sigh.)
# [20:32] <bjacob> RyanVM|sheriffduty: hehe :) (found it)
# [20:32] <@ted> bz: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=799315 was the impl
# [20:32] <bz> Ah, 21
# [20:32] <@ted> which landed for 20
# [20:32] <@ted> but preffed off
# [20:32] <bz> or so
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# [20:33] <bz> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=837859 landed in 2
# [20:33] <bz> er, 21
# [20:33] <@ted> jld: unfortunate
# [20:33] <bz> preffing on
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# [20:34] <RealRaven> anybody know how to clone a nsIMsgSearchTerm ?
# [20:34] <@ted> jld: i guess we could probably fix that, read both sections and use exidx if we don't have dwarf
# [20:34] <@ted> jld: file a bug?
# [20:34] <bz> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=847267 landed in 23
# [20:34] <bz> offloading to GPU
# [20:34] <jld> ted: Context being that I've made the crash reporter handle the SIGSYS from seccomp-bpf, which is usually in a libc asm routine.
# [20:34] <bz> hrm
# [20:34] <RealRaven> or copy it
# [20:34] <RealRaven> nsIMsgSearchTerm
# [20:34] <bz> so nothing new there in 25....
# [20:34] <@ted> jld: bleh
# [20:35] <Jesse_> Waldo: http://blog.regehr.org/archives/1068#comment-13138 sounds neat, do you think it makes sense for mfbt/?
# [20:35] <jld> ted: But also, the other day I saw a crash from a segfault, and one of the sleeping threads had the stack scanner pick up a false stack that looked related (but wasn't... or, maybe wasn't, because if it's something the thread had *just* run... but you can't really tell that from stack garbage)
# [20:35] <bz> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=861693 was 26
# [20:35] <bz> bsmedberg: this spike was in 25?
# [20:36] <@bsmedberg> bz: yes, well "spike" is a weird word for it
# [20:36] <@bsmedberg> empty-dump crashes are up to 25% of crashes, IIRC
# [20:36] <@bsmedberg> but there are some users who are seeing crashes constantly
# [20:36] <bz> umm
# [20:36] <@bsmedberg> so it's definitely usage-or-configuration dependent
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# [20:36] <bz> User Dderss was seeing this stuff with 24 too
# [20:36] <@bsmedberg> it was hovering at 15-20% or so for a while
# [20:37] <@bsmedberg> hrm
# [20:37] <@ted> dmajor: you should write up a doc to guide users through using vmlist or whatever that windbg command is
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# [20:37] <@ted> like https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/How_to_get_a_stacktrace_with_WinDbg
# [20:37] <bz> https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/b5105c81-5298-468b-b25f-717ac2131016 e.g.
# [20:37] <@ted> we have a few users willing to attach a debugger
# [20:37] <bz> bsmedberg: I suppose we could ask him to bisect on nightlies if it's a regression for him....
# [20:38] <bz> bsmedberg: and if he's willing to
# [20:38] <@ted> bz: it's kind of hard because there are likely multiple overlapping causes
# [20:38] <@ted> and aggravating factors
# [20:38] <@bsmedberg> well, for this particular person, maybe not
# [20:38] <@gavin> 0:01.20 The reason for the clobber is:
# [20:38] <@gavin> 0:01.20
# [20:38] <@gavin> 0:01.20 More Windows WebIDL changes.
# [20:38] <@ted> sure
# [20:38] <@gavin> $%^$%(^*$(%^*($$$%
# [20:38] <@ted> i just mean that user's problem could be one thing, and video memory could be another
# [20:38] <@ted> (or ws it the same user saying the video thing?)
# [20:38] * @ted is lost
# [20:38] <NeilAway> why does changing preprocessor.py require reticulating splines?
# [20:38] <@ted> gavin: gps has a patch to fix that
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# [20:39] <@dolske> yeah, he's got clobber build times converging on incrementals... ;)
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# [20:40] <@ted> hah
# [20:40] <@ted> no, he has a patch to fix webidl deps
# [20:40] <@ted> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=928195
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# [20:42] <jld> ted: So, also, SIGSYS is a little different from the other crash signals, because (at least with seccomp; haven't tried an actual unsupported syscall) returning from the signal handler will return to the instruction *after* the offending SWI/INT/whatever, instead of re-crashing.
# [20:42] <@ehsan> bsmedberg: do you know at what point we decide to inject a crash in a mochitest?
# [20:43] <@bsmedberg> no, but I believe it's the "300 seconds without output" point or something like that
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# [20:44] <Yoric> smaug: If you're still around, there's still something I don't understand about dynamic iframes.
# [20:44] <@ehsan> bsmedberg: looking at the timestamps in the log, I don't see how this test is timing out...
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# [20:44] <Yoric> If I have a nsISHEntry, is there a way to make a difference between a toplevel static iframe and a toplevel dynamic iframe?
# [20:44] <@ehsan> hmm
# [20:44] <@ehsan> bsmedberg: no actually I think that's 5 minutes
# [20:45] <NeilAway> hmm
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# [20:45] <NeilAway> I accidentally ran make, and it started to remove stuff in dist before I was able to interrupt it
# [20:45] <tbsaunde> jld: A! does the kernel have a bit of a disassembler in it or what?
# [20:45] <NeilAway> so then I ran make again, and it went through, but didn't restore the stuff in dist :-(
# [20:45] <@smaug> Yoric: ask
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# [20:46] <@smaug> ah
# [20:46] <Yoric> smaug: I beg your pardon?
# [20:46] <Yoric> Ah, got it.
# [20:46] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/4e3e7a20399f - Ted Mielczarek - bug 942207 - Update NSPR to NSPR_4_10_3_BETA1
# [20:46] <@smaug> Yoric: "top level static iframe" ?
# [20:47] <Ms2ger> NeilAway, it'll restore the stuff in dist/ while recursing
# [20:47] <Yoric> smaug: <html><body><iframe src="..."></body></html>
# [20:47] <@smaug> Yoric: there isn't any helper method for that
# [20:48] <Yoric> smaug: And is there a non-helper way to do so?
# [20:48] <@ehsan> ted: ping
# [20:48] <@gavin> Yoric: why does the distinction matter?
# [20:48] <@smaug> you'd need to check if entry.parent == root and !entry.isDynamicallyCreated()
# [20:48] <jld> tbsaunde: The syscall instruction works like a procedure call -- the PC it saves is the address to return to when returning normally.
# [20:48] <NeilAway> Ms2ger: you'd think so
# [20:48] <NeilAway> Ms2ger: just trying to run make a third time to be sure
# [20:48] <Ms2ger> Heh
# [20:48] <Yoric> smaug: What will entry.parent == root tell me?
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# [20:49] <@smaug> that you're the top most iframe
# [20:49] <Yoric> gavin: Well, I want all dynamic stuff, for the facebook bug.
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# [20:49] <@gavin> Yoric: (I'm making an assertion in the form of a question)
# [20:49] <@ted> ehsan: pong
# [20:49] <Yoric> smaug: But didn't you tell me that top most iframe always had isDynamicallyAdded()?
# [20:49] <Waldo> Jesse_: there's something to be said for simplicity of things, here, and having one way to do it; also our having gotten by with what we have for 15 years is suggestive, at least
# [20:49] <jld> tbsaunde: But I'm adapting code meant for segfaults, where the PC is the offending instruction.
# [20:49] <@smaug> no
# [20:49] <@ehsan> ted: do you know why I'm not getting line numbers here for example? https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=30892856&full=1&branch=mozilla-inbound#error2
# [20:49] <@gavin> maybe I don't understand your definition of static vs. dynamic, but I don't see why we'd care about whether the iframe was in html or created vs dom calls
# [20:49] <@ted> jld: interesting, i know nothing about SIGSYS
# [20:50] <@smaug> Yoric: top most shentry has IsDynamically() true, usually
# [20:50] <@smaug> top most shentry isn't for html:iframes
# [20:50] <@smaug> it is for the top level html page
# [20:50] <@smaug> under xul:browser
# [20:50] <@ted> ehsan: in which part?
# [20:50] <@ehsan> ted: or are those numnbers line numbers?
# [20:50] <@ehsan> hmm
# [20:50] <Yoric> gavin: Well, if it's html, we can restore its history, if it's not, we can't, so there's no reason to store the history in session restore.
# [20:50] <@ted> 06:17:12 INFO - 0 crashinjectdll.dll!CrashingThread(void *) [crashinjectdll.cpp:4887ddabba31 : 17 + 0x0]
# [20:50] <jld> ted: I'm not even sure I know how it's supposed to work normally... but I can find out.
# [20:50] * @ehsan checks
# [20:50] <@ehsan> yeah nm
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# [20:50] <@ehsan> sorry
# [20:50] <@ted> that's crashinjectdll.cpp, revision 4887... line 17
# [20:50] <@ted> np
# [20:50] <Yoric> gavin: Storing the history in session restore is part of what made the facebook spam an efficient DoS.
# [20:50] <@ted> (it's not incredibly obvious)
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# [20:52] <@smaug> Facebook is good at DoS'ing
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# [20:53] <@smaug> oh, FB has fixed the horrible leak
# [20:54] <tbsaunde> jld: ah, that makes sense, I guess you keep crashing if you use int then?
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# [20:54] <@gavin> Yoric: you're not understanding what I'm getting at
# [20:54] <Yoric> smaug: So, do I understand correctly that I should follow the strategy at https://pastebin.mozilla.org/3655095 ?
# [20:54] <@gavin> but nevermind
# [20:54] <Yoric> gavin: Obviously :)
# [20:55] <@smaug> Yoric: that could work yes
# [20:55] <Yoric> smaug: Thanks.
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# [20:59] <jld> Apparently I'm not the only person to try and fail in this way: https://codereview.chromium.org/1801007
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# [21:02] <@ted> jld: i am unsurprised that chrome would hit it
# [21:02] <WeirdAl> there's been a lot of bug traffic on unified code building... and a few checkins... do we see any evidence that it's beginning to affect build times?
# [21:02] <froydnj> WeirdAl: yes
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# [21:02] <WeirdAl> froydnj: pretty pictures and blog post wanted :)
# [21:03] <froydnj> WeirdAl: http://brasstacks.mozilla.com/gofaster/#/executiontime/build
# [21:03] <froydnj> WeirdAl: and all the developers who are marveling about their local clobber times
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# [21:04] <jfkthame> WeirdAl: also see recent posts on dev.platform ("Recent build time improvements?")
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# [21:06] <Gijs> Jesse_: thank you for weighing in there. :)
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# [21:09] <lizzard> Gijs: Oh I see the guy's crash reports now. Before when you asked I didn't have the last email with all the crash ids. never mind :D
# [21:09] <WeirdAl> froydnj: that chart's a little complex.
# [21:09] <froydnj> WeirdAl: yes, it's not the best
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# [21:09] <froydnj> WeirdAl: local builds make it much more obvious that things have improved
# [21:10] <Jesse_> Gijs: weighing in where?
# [21:10] <WeirdAl> froydnj: I'm just curious. That's all.
# [21:10] <Gijs> Jesse_: that fx-dev thread
# [21:10] <Jesse_> ahh
# [21:10] <Gijs> WeirdAl: as anecdotal data, my mbp clobber times have gone from 20 minutes to ~12 minutes in the past 3-ish months
# [21:10] <Gijs> WeirdAl: on Windows, it's gone from ~35 to ~20 minutes
# [21:10] <WeirdAl> niiiiiiiice...
# [21:11] <Gijs> (both machines are pretty beefy, but yeah, the speedup is pretty impressive)
# [21:11] <WeirdAl> and there's more to come
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# [21:11] <Gijs> aye
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# [21:12] <Jesse_> Gijs: i'm just wildly speculating and i hope someone like mccr8 can weigh in
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# [21:12] <WeirdAl> wish I had the time to lend a hand, froydnj.
# [21:13] <froydnj> WeirdAl: oh, I haven't been doing anything
# [21:13] <Gijs> Jesse_: well, you noticed he was on OS X, I had just assumed this was another case of "I'm on Windows and I use a bunch of tabs and/or several really heavy apps"
# [21:13] <WeirdAl> (?)
# [21:13] <WeirdAl> :?
# [21:13] <froydnj> WeirdAl: ehsan and his motley band are to blame :)
# [21:13] <Gijs> Jesse_: and the memory corruption is a good point too, so yeah
# [21:13] <WeirdAl> well, we should still get a blog post :)
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# [21:14] <Jesse_> (gijs and i are talking about https://mail.mozilla.org/pipermail/firefox-dev/2013-November/001181.html where a mac user is hitting crashes that look like OOM)
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# [21:17] <jld> ted: The other thing about the breakpad signal handler is that it seems to assume that "sandboxing" would cause the tgkill (to reraise the signal) to simply fail, rather than to immediately kill the process.
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# [21:18] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/93370e831032 - Trevor Saunders - bug 938025 - part 1 - get rid of some static constructors r=bz r=bjacob
# [21:18] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/557e799afd76 - Trevor Saunders - bug 941736 - unify sources in extensions/ r=ehsan
# [21:19] <@ehsan> froydnj: what did I do?
# [21:19] <@ted> jld: the breakpad stuff is all tailored to what chrome/chromeos does
# [21:19] <froydnj> ehsan: all the unified build stuff
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# [21:19] <@ehsan> oh
# [21:20] <@ehsan> did it break something?
# [21:20] <Ms2ger> All the unified build stuff that's making me swap?
# [21:20] <Gijs> cpeterson++
# [21:20] <froydnj> only the hearts of the cpu manufacturers wanting to sell the latests and greatest ;)
# [21:20] <jld> ted: My thought as well -- and there's been talk of trying to use the chromium sandbox bits instead of our hand-rolled FoxInABox, but we're not there yet.
# [21:20] <@ehsan> lol
# [21:20] <@ehsan> froydnj: yeah I have received some hatemail already!
# [21:20] <Gijs> cpeterson: nice work on the plugins fingerprinting stuff! :)
# [21:21] <@ted> jld: in any event, i don't think upstream would be averse to taking changes that don't break their use case but enable ours
# [21:21] <cpeterson> Gijs: thanks. We'll have to wait and see what breaks. <:) Unfortunately, the EFF's Panopticlick website is down.. right when I want people to test it!
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# [21:23] <Gijs> heh
# [21:23] <jld> ted: The nice thing is that it's already using tgkill, not tkill. I was already going to try to allow tgkill with first argument equal to getpid(), both for raise(3) and for the profiler, because it *should* be safe.
# [21:23] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> Ms2ger: mind r+ing the imptests timeout patch? :)
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# [21:24] <Ms2ger> RyanVM|sheriffduty, mine?
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# [21:24] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> Ms2ger: oh, heh
# [21:24] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> misread that bugmail :P
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# [21:24] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> so who's supposed to review it?
# [21:25] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> Ms2ger: I suppose ehsan? :)
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# [21:28] <@ehsan> I wrote the patch
# [21:28] <@ehsan> so r=me
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# [21:32] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> \m/
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# [21:34] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/3dd2b651b3a6 - Adrian Cruceru - Bug 876876: Fix race condition in DeviceInfoDS::GetDeviceInfo()/GetDeviceFilter() r=bas,jesup
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# [21:36] <jesup> First-patch for a new contributer in webrtc: ^
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# [21:37] <nalexander> jesup: \o/
# [21:37] <nemo> greeeat http://www.orenh.com/2013/11/google-account-recovery-vulnerability.html
# [21:38] <jld> ted: As long as I'm bothering you about the crash reporter, do we try to save anything about the JS stack?
# [21:38] <@ted> jld: no, it's nontrivial
# [21:39] <@ted> since we have to do everything in a memory-safe manner
# [21:39] <@ted> sfink had some thoughts about it
# [21:39] <@ted> he was toying with writing a little interpreted set of opcodes for recovering heap info to store in the dump at exception time
# [21:39] <sfink> ooh, jld is crazy enough to do something like taht
# [21:39] <@ted> "i just need to find someone crazier than i am"
# [21:40] <sfink> I wonder if I ever filed a bug for it
# [21:40] <@ted> don't recall one
# [21:40] <jld> sfink,ted: I think I'm going to do a less crazy thing, and dump the stack for sandbox violations.
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# [21:40] <@ted> that's probably much simpler
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# [21:41] <@ted> since your process state is probably not trashed
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# [21:41] <jld> Because (1) for a segfault you aren't likely to be staring in complete bafflement at the native stack, and (2) what ted just said.
# [21:41] <sfink> I keep getting pinged about the crash bug that this whole thing was for, so I may still do it at some point
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# [21:41] <@ted> i could see it being pretty compelling for b2g
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# [21:42] <jld> It's a little weird, because in production a sandbox violation should mean that the process is compromised, so anything in its address space or registers is malicious -- but in testing, stuff is probably in a perfectly reasonable state.
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# [21:50] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> ted: you broke inbound
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# [21:50] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> ted: ASAN
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# [21:52] <ttaubert> RyanVM|sheriffduty: um. very late pong?
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# [21:52] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> ttaubert: heh
# [21:52] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> I already CCed you to the bug of interest
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# [21:53] <ttaubert> RyanVM|sheriffduty: ah, the intermittent orange you want me to take a look at?
# [21:53] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> yeah
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# [21:53] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> was hoping we'd be lucky and the problem would be similar
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# [21:54] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> can we just kill panorama please?
# [21:54] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> would eliminate a bunch of flaky tests
# [21:54] <ttaubert> I know. I worked on that.
# [21:54] <ttaubert> I mean on Panorama. and on "killing" it
# [21:54] <ttaubert> :)
# [21:56] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> ttaubert: why did that ever die?
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# [21:57] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/4409ec6a6482 - Ryan VanderMeulen - Backed out changeset 4e3e7a20399f (bug 942207) for ASAN failures.
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# [21:58] <ttaubert> RyanVM|sheriffduty: well, it was forced into Firefox 4 in a state where it basically was still a prototype. so maintenance and improving it was a little tougher than usual. it ended up dead because UX thought we shouldn't enable it by default because it's ugly and confusing and nobody wanted to invest time in it because nobody uses it and it's such a
# [21:58] <ttaubert> hardcore user feature. a little of a chicken and egg problem
# [21:59] <@dolske> holy crap
# [21:59] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> ttaubert: yeah, I'm trying to understand why removing it ever went nowhere
# [21:59] <@dolske> NS_ENSURE_* is going away?!
# [21:59] <@dolske> bsmedberg++
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# [22:00] <ttaubert> RyanVM|sheriffduty: oh. mostly due to time constraints because it doesn't really disturb anyone (sorry I know it disturbs you :) and because we don't really have a proper mechanism (afaik) to selectively replace a feature with an add-on for users that use it
# [22:00] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> ttaubert: so the logical follow-up
# [22:00] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> would anyone scream if we "accidentally" disabled all their tests?
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# [22:01] <gaston> shu: re the non-ion breakage in #933882, i'm puzzled as to why AutoDebugModeInvalidation::~AutoDebugModeInvalidation() is in js/Ion.cpp.....
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# [22:01] <ttaubert> RyanVM|sheriffduty: maybe not because we're not investing in any new Panorama code. *but* breaking Panorama isn't really ideal either
# [22:02] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> ttaubert: or at least *very* aggressively disable any flaky tests
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# [22:02] <bz> um
# [22:02] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> ttaubert: if nobody's going to own making it better, I think that's the best way to go
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# [22:02] <bz> unified builds make my profiler unhappy
# [22:02] <bz> ehsan: ^
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# [22:03] <@ehsan> bz: how so
# [22:03] <gaston> shu: maybe adding an empty implem at the declaration in jscompartment.h:461 would help ?
# [22:03] <ttaubert> RyanVM|sheriffduty: I would be okay with that I think as it's a tradeoff but OTOH I don't think that anyone will have time to fix those :( maybe I can tackle removing Panorama as my winter/xmas project again
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# [22:05] <RyanVM> ttaubert: OK. I'll make a note of treating Panorama as unowned for the purposes of orange tolerance :)
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# [22:06] <ttaubert> RyanVM: I guess that's fair
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# [22:07] <RyanVM> ttaubert: I don't see an alternative given that there's little to no likelihood of getting any developer resources to look at the failures
# [22:07] <ttaubert> RyanVM: I'm not blaming you. I'm just a little sad because I would like to improve that
# [22:08] <RyanVM> meh, if it's already on the chopping block, I think we should just bite the bullet and finish the job
# [22:08] <RyanVM> put it on AMO and let the community own it if they want it
# [22:08] <ttaubert> that's what I meant
# [22:08] <ttaubert> :)
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# [22:08] <RyanVM> ttaubert: I'm sure the "OMG FIREFOX IS BLOATED" crowd would love such a move :P
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# [22:09] <ttaubert> RyanVM: most of the people didn't seem to hate me too much for removing it, only if they can continue using it as an add-on
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# [22:11] <heftig> i use both panorama *and* tab trees
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# [22:12] <heftig> sad that it's not getting any attention
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# [22:12] <ttaubert> heftig: I used it as well when I was working on the removal patch. I still like the idea but the current state is just... sad. it's in a deadlock basically
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# [22:13] <ttaubert> needs to be rewritten. and rethought
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# [22:13] <heftig> tab trees sorta solve the same problem
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# [22:13] <heftig> but they're not attractive either, i guess?
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# [22:14] <ttaubert> heftig: they're a great add-on. but I don't think they're good for the majority of users
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# [22:18] <jld> I tried using Panorama, and for a little while I was all organized and stuff, but then it rapidly decayed into Giant Pile Of Disorganized Forgotten Tabs.
# [22:19] <jld> Although that's kind of how most of my attempts at being organized wind up.
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# [22:19] <@ehsan> jld: being organized is overrated
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# [22:21] <Gijs> ttaubert, RyanVM: last I heard we're actually cautiously thinking about improving it rather than abandoning it
# [22:21] <Gijs> but good luck finding someone to fix it while we're all nose-to-grindstone on Australis
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# [22:22] <RyanVM> Gijs: yep, and improving the tests? HAH
# [22:22] <ttaubert> Gijs: I heard that too many times now honestly. I still think it needs a complete rewrite
# [22:22] <Gijs> ttaubert: I mean, this was about improving the experience
# [22:22] <Gijs> ttaubert: the implementation might well benefit from rewrites
# [22:23] * Gijs doesn't really know
# [22:23] <ttaubert> Gijs: well... the current experience is quite limited due to the code
# [22:23] <ttaubert> but let's see
# [22:23] <Gijs> ttaubert: I would volunteer to help on a Christmas project of fixing the code, except I'm kinda moving country and that looks like it'll be my December project :|
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# [22:24] <ttaubert> Gijs: there is no way to "fix" the code. we need a concept that UX would think is worth to ship enabled by default somehow
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# [22:25] <RyanVM> and resources to implement
# [22:25] <ttaubert> yo
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# [22:31] <briansmith> Do we have any existing measurements (telemetry) from CPUID metadata?
# [22:31] <briansmith> I would like to add some telemetry to find out how many of our users have AES-NI and/or AVX
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# [22:32] <dmajor> if(NS_WARN_IF(...)) makes me think that the statement is asking "should I warn?" rather than "did it fail?"
# [22:32] <dmajor> but I think I am too late on this one.
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# [22:36] <KWierso> mixedpuppy: ping
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# [22:38] <@dolske> briansmith: offhand I don't see it in telemetry or FHR, but I thought we had something
# [22:38] <KWierso|sheriffduty> mixedpuppy: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=30977484&tree=Fx-Team
# [22:38] <@dolske> maybe I'm thinking from crash reports?
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# [22:39] <dmajor> briansmith: dolske: crash reports have vendor and model. I don't recall seeing feature bits
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# [22:41] <briansmith> Thanks guys. I will take a look
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# [22:42] <mixedpuppy> KWierso|sheriffduty: sigh. I'll look at it shortly
# [22:42] <@dolske> briansmith: my quick look was from skimming telemetry.mozilla.org and Help -> Health Report --> Raw Data
# [22:43] <@dolske> seems like this would be a no-brainer to collect in telemtry and/or FHR.
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# [22:44] <@gavin> briansmith: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=921609
# [22:44] <@bsmedberg> briansmith: I am certain that data is not in FHR. It's unlikely to be in telemetry but wouldn't be hard to add there.
# [22:45] <@gavin> (not quite what you're looking for, but kind of related)
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# [22:45] <briansmith> is it the case that if we put it in FHR then we'll get more, more accurate, data, than telemetry?
# [22:45] <@gavin> yes
# [22:46] <briansmith> And, if so, then does anybody forsee any difficulty adding it to FHR?
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# [22:46] <briansmith> policy-wise, I mean.
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# [22:46] <gregglind> odd question re: mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/toolkit/components/search/nsSearchService.js#1482 .... do the 'names' of the xml files need to be unique?
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# [22:46] <gregglind> (ie., the 'bing.xml' part)
# [22:47] <@gavin> gregglind: the name is the ShortName in the opensearch description, not the filename
# [22:47] <@gavin> (the filenames need to be unique because they're all stored in the same folder, but we'll uniquify the filename automatically when saving engines if there's a conflict)
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# [22:48] <gregglind> gavin, I have noticed that that *also* needs to be unique. I guess, when installing from url, does '_location' affect thing...
# [22:48] <gregglind> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/toolkit/components/search/nsSearchService.js#2507
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# [22:48] <@gavin> gregglind: what are you actually trying to do? :)
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# [22:50] <gregglind> see pm gavin
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# [22:56] <jesup> KWierso|sheriffduty: starring-race on Aurora! :-)
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# [22:58] <hub> is it possible to use xpcshell to run JS in the currently running firefox instance?
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# [23:09] <WeirdAl> hub: I don't think so; xpcshell and ff are different instances
# [23:09] <WeirdAl> different processes
# [23:10] <WeirdAl> why?
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# [23:16] <glandium> RyanVM: so... mozmake ;)
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# [23:20] <froydnj> briansmith: we have fields for SSE* and a few others, but none of the more recent extensions
# [23:20] <froydnj> briansmith: (in telemetry at least, I assume FHR is the same)
# [23:20] <froydnj> briansmith: not hard to add
# [23:20] <briansmith> froydnj: awesome
# [23:21] <briansmith> do you have a pointer to the SSE* stuff?
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# [23:22] <froydnj> briansmith: the telemetry bits are here: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/toolkit/components/telemetry/TelemetryPing.js#340
# [23:22] <froydnj> briansmith: the actual C++ bits for exposing that are here: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/xpcom/base/nsSystemInfo.cpp#128
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# [23:23] <briansmith> froydnj: thank you very much. Much time saved.
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# [23:24] <froydnj> briansmith: np. happy to review patches to either of those
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# [23:24] <briansmith> thanks
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# [23:30] <@dolske> much time saved. very wow.
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# [23:32] <@dolske> froydnj: hmm, that doesn't see exposed on telemetry.mo... or is it?
# [23:33] <hub> WeirdAl: I was thinking of it as a mechanism to inject / control firefox
# [23:34] <WeirdAl> hub: you're going to need some XPCOM component to accept your messages in FF
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# [23:39] <froydnj> dolske: yeah, doesn't seem to be =/
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# [23:40] <Yoric> Does anyone know where SIMPLE_MEASURES_STARTUPSESSIONRESTOREREADBYTES is implemented?
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# [23:43] <Yoric> froydnj: What's extended_statistics_ok in Telemetry?
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# [23:43] <froydnj> Yoric: whether or not we compute log_sum statistics for exponential histograms
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# [23:43] <Yoric> What's the point of these statistics?
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# [23:44] <froydnj> better analyses on the metrics side of things
# [23:44] <froydnj> (and that's about all the detail I know)
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# [23:44] <Yoric> Any suggestion on whether I should set this flag to |true| for various stuff related to measuring the size of sessionstore.js?
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# [23:45] <froydnj> hm, 5GB virtual...
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# [23:45] <froydnj> Yoric: I think it's ok to set it to true
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# [23:45] <Yoric> Will do, thanks.
# [23:45] <froydnj> Yoric: the main thing was that these statistics can be too expensive to compute in inner loops
# [23:46] <Yoric> Well, this one is computed once per startup.
# [23:46] <froydnj> Yoric: so we provide an option to turn them off
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# [23:46] <Yoric> thanks
# [23:46] <Yoric> And back to my previous question: do you know where SIMPLE_MEASURES_STARTUPSESSIONRESTOREREADBYTES is implemented?
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# [23:50] <froydnj> Yoric: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/toolkit/components/telemetry/TelemetryPing.js#882
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# [23:50] <Yoric> Thanks.
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