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# Session Start: Fri Nov 29 00:00:00 2013
# Session Ident: #developers
# [00:00] <felipe> smaug: could you take a quick look at 937377 to see if that's fine
# [00:02] <@smaug> felipe: is it possible that the selected index doesn't actually change?
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# [00:02] <@smaug> felipe: so, should there if (this.element.selectedIndex != message.data.value) ...
# [00:03] <felipe> good point
# [00:03] <felipe> we should add that
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# [00:03] <felipe> but in general it's fine for the framescript to create and dispatch that event? instead of this being handled by the Element impl code
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# [00:04] <@smaug> felipe: it should be, especially for this kind of simple event
# [00:04] <felipe> cool, thanks! metro/android does the same for their select UI implementations
# [00:04] <@smaug> felipe: other option is to add some ChromeOnly API to the select
# [00:05] <@smaug> so that changing index is interpreted as user input
# [00:05] <@smaug> so that change is dispatched
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# [00:06] <hub> ehsan: filed https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=944554
# [00:06] <felipe> yeah, I thought about that..
# [00:06] <felipe> as this way is fine, adding a new api is probably overkill for now
# [00:06] <@ehsan> hub: thanks
# [00:07] <felipe> smaug: do you know which other initEvent is being used in metro code that has more arguments?
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# [00:08] <felipe> all definitions i ca find only take the 3 args
# [00:08] <felipe> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/browser/metro/base/content/contenthandlers/FormHelper.js#699
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# [00:09] <@smaug> felipe: it looks like a copy-paste error
# [00:09] <@smaug> that init has params of initMouseEvent, I think
# [00:09] <@smaug> yet the created event is just Event
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# [00:09] <felipe> ah, ok then!
# [00:09] <@smaug> and since JS doesn't complain about extra args...
# [00:10] <felipe> right
# [00:10] <felipe> yeah, thanks!
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# [00:13] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/21bce5b41a7c - Matthew Gregan - Bug 943159 - Remove MOZ_SPEEX_RESAMPLER/MOZ_SOUNDTOUCH defines since we don't support building without them anyway. r=doublec,gps
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# [00:32] <danieru> spaces falcon 9 http://www.spacex.com/webcast/?2
# [00:32] <danieru> sorry, thought I had the window set to foxymonkies =(
# [00:33] <RealRaven> how would one go about removing a built in keyboard shortcut (Thunderbird) from from an Addon
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# [00:36] <RealRaven> I want to disable mxr.mozilla.org/comm-central/source/editor/ui/composer/content/editorOverlay.xul#103 and mxr.mozilla.org/comm-central/source/editor/ui/composer/content/editorOverlay.xul#106
# [00:37] <RealRaven> Is there any way I can iterate this keyset and remove the keys?
# [00:38] <@smaug> RealRaven: can't you override that overlay in your addon?
# [00:39] <@smaug> (wouldn't be restartless addon, but still)
# [00:40] <RealRaven> smaug: it isn't anyway - yes, maybe that's the better solution. I usually only add stuff, but could add a load event handler and then find the key id and remove it? Or is there a way to do this with pure xul? (Like I said I usually only add stuff with xul)
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# [00:41] <RealRaven> probably could do onload: function() { document.getElementById('decreasefontsizekb').remove() ; } or something along these lines
# [00:41] <RealRaven> (don't mind the broken Syntax, you know what I mean anyway
# [00:42] <@smaug> RealRaven: it might have disabled attribute
# [00:42] <@smaug> commands at least have that
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# [00:43] <RealRaven> ok. I will check it out. so if I overlay an element of the same id and make it disabled will it override the original?
# [00:43] <RealRaven> or will there be 2 copies
# [00:44] <RealRaven> (this type of DOMi modification stuff is usually easier in Javascript)
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# [00:45] <@smaug> trying to recall how that all works
# [00:45] <RealRaven> don't worry, I will hack it with a bit of trying. Usually only elements without ids give greater trouble.
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# [00:49] <@smaug> RealRaven: if I read the code correctly, attributes in the element in overlay document are merged with the original one
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# [00:49] <@smaug> and if you want to remove the element, removeelement="true"
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# [00:50] <RealRaven> cool. I will try that - nice one!
# [00:50] <@smaug> ehsan: ok, this is the record on this machine. clobber debug build (now with clang and gold) on this laptop 16mins
# [00:51] <@smaug> finally I can see some difference when using clang
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# [00:52] <@ehsan> smaug: \o/
# [00:52] <@ehsan> smaug: the good news is that things will get better
# [00:52] <@ehsan> we're not done yet
# [00:53] <@smaug> clang seems to be must
# [00:53] <@smaug> since gcc + unified uses just too much memory
# [00:53] <@ehsan> how much more?
# [00:54] <@smaug> gcc + unified ends up using 500Mb per gcc process
# [00:54] <@smaug> occasionally
# [00:54] <@smaug> clang is perhaps 50% of that
# [00:54] <@smaug> and since this laptop has only 8
# [00:55] <@smaug> GB
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# [01:11] <markh> smaug: thanks for the f+. I'm not sure what you mean I should do about "Notification aren't still quite perfect since in-process-browser-or-app-frame-shown is clearly for browser-or-app." - do you mean I should also tweak 'in-process-browser-or-app-frame-shown' in the same way - ie, rename it to "inprocess-browser-shown" and add the same 'reallyIsBrowserOrApp' check to the consumers of that notification?
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# [01:14] <@ehsan> smaug: if this happens in specific directories, please file bugs
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# [01:16] <@smaug> markh: actually yes, inprocess-browser-shown would be nice, and fire it always, not only for browser-or-app
# [01:16] <@smaug> markh: and sorry about delay
# [01:16] <markh> smaug: understood, will do, thanks
# [01:16] <markh> np!
# [01:16] <@smaug> I tend to process reviews before feedback..
# [01:16] <@smaug> and since review queue is rarely empty...
# [01:17] <markh> hasn't blocked me yet, so np!
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# [01:17] <@smaug> yes, please do :)
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# [02:14] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/dc9ebdf27e98 - Matthew Gregan - Bug 942657 - Devirtualize AudioStream. r=doublec,gps
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# [03:14] <glandium> looks like try is freezing
# [03:14] <glandium> stuck on "searching for changes"
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# [03:15] <glandium> damn, it works now
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# [04:04] <@njn> if I reopen a closed bugzilla tab (with ctrl-shift-T) I get the default Bugzilla skin instead of the sandstone one
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# [04:16] <bjacob> kamidphish: you switched channels ;-)
# [04:16] <kamidphish> Oops
# [04:16] <kamidphish> bjacob: I'm a n00b
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# [04:33] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/6c15f3df605a - Matthew Gregan - Bug 942657 - Devirtualize AudioStream. r=doublec,gps
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# [06:24] <firebot> spectre was last seen 4 weeks, 6 days, 10 hours, 33 minutes and 8 seconds ago, saying 'jandem: thanks for the suggestions' in #jsapi.
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# [08:30] <Ms2ger> Bonjour
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# [08:31] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> hi Ms2ger
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# [08:32] <Ms2ger> Hi Tomcat|sheriffduty
# [08:32] <Ms2ger> Are you doing any merges atm?
# [08:32] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> nope, cleaning up the trees
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# [08:33] <glazou> bonjour
# [08:33] <Ms2ger> Okay
# [08:33] * Ms2ger pushes, then
# [08:34] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> heh
# [08:34] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> :)
# [08:34] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> btw thanks Ms2ger for stepping in on sheriffduty yesterday
# [08:34] <Ms2ger> No problem
# [08:34] <Ms2ger> There wasn't much to do anyway :)
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# [08:36] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> :)
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# [09:07] <ewong> can someone point out where is the code for nsIXULTreeBuilderObserver?
# [09:07] <ewong> all I see is the IDL for it.. shouldn't there be some cpp code for it as well?
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# [09:09] <ttaubert> ewong: that's because it's an interface and can be implemented by multiple classes with each their own .cpp file
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# [09:09] <Ms2ger> ewong, it's probably implemented by js
# [09:10] <ttaubert> right
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# [09:10] <ewong> oh.. sorry.. totally green at figuring this out..
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# [09:10] <ewong> I'm tracing all over the place with this code http://mxr.mozilla.org/comm-central/source/mozilla/content/xul/templates/src/nsXULTreeBuilder.cpp#907
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# [09:14] <ewong> so if I'm looking for the OnCycleCell() method.. I should be looking at a xml file?
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# [09:15] <ewong> the basis of my question lies with bug 617811
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# [09:17] <ewong> could someone point out where I might start?
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# [09:17] <ttaubert> ewong: that method is calling a list of observers implemented in JS
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# [09:21] <ttaubert> ewong: http://mxr.mozilla.org/comm-central/source/mozilla/toolkit/content/widgets/tree.xml#1020
# [09:21] <ttaubert> ewong: that's the mousedown handler calling .cycleCell()
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# [09:29] <ewong> ttaubert: oooh dude! thanks! would've been going around in circles
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# [09:29] <ttaubert> ewong: np :)
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# [09:35] <Ms2ger> Tomcat|sheriffduty, want me to merge?
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# [09:39] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> Ms2ger: if you want but could do it too but feel free :)
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# [09:40] <Ms2ger> Tomcat|sheriffduty, c84597fb24e0 from inbound?
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# [09:42] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> Ms2ger: yes! the pgo one :)
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# [09:48] <heftig> if I wanted to remove the requirement to set MOZ_USE_OMTC from an aurora branch build, I would have to patch gfx/thebes/gfxPlatformGtk.cpp and toolkit/xre/nsAppRunner.cpp ?
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# [10:03] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> cool will do then the merge back and thanks Ms2ger
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# [10:05] <ewong> actually.. who should I talk to about this bug? (i.e whether it should be fixed)
# [10:06] <ewong> err helps if I mentioned it was bug 617811
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# [10:14] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> ewong: maybe peterv might know who is a good contact for that bug
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# [10:21] <ewong> Tomcat|sheriffduty: ah thanks. I'm looking at the list of reviewers for Toolkit.. I guess anyone of them would know..
# [10:23] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> yeah or that
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# [10:33] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> Ms2ger: i was running now mcmerge on your merge, so you don't need to worry about that
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# [10:41] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/7e7ba237d059 - Paul Adenot - Bug 940707 - Get more accurate latency numbers when using OpenSL. r=sotaro,kinetik
# [10:41] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/81c66b34eb05 - Paul Adenot - Bug 944132 - Make sure we don't loose precision when computing the audio clock when using opensl. r=sotaro
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# [10:43] <Ms2ger> Tomcat|sheriffduty, thanks; back now
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# [11:13] <jwatt> mxr's regular expression search is broken, then
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# [11:20] <gcp> padenot: lose not loose
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# [11:25] <padenot> gcp: what?
# [11:25] <padenot> haa
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# [11:27] <gcp> your commit msg
# [11:27] <gcp> just google "lose not loose"
# [11:27] <padenot> yes
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# [11:28] <gcp> At least you have the excuse of not being a native speaker.
# [11:28] <padenot> yeah
# [11:29] <padenot> but then, I think I write way more english than french, these days
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# [12:16] <timdream> Tomcat|sheriffduty: ping
# [12:16] <timdream> Tomcat|sheriffduty: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=B2g-Inbound&rev=007a28b19570 inbound Gu is burning but it seems the offending commit is a backout patch, O_o? Please advice.
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# [12:22] <Ms2ger> Jinxed
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# [12:28] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> hey timdream i fixed this in https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/b2g-inbound/rev/bd8e79ae5976
# [12:28] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> backedout the change
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# [12:29] <timdream> Tomcat|sheriffduty: oh, ic. interesting coz I thought the failed tests has nothing to do with download managers
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# [12:30] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> timdream: yeah i checked with zac and seems the problem is the java expection
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# [13:22] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/e9337081c744 - Brian R. Bondy - Bug 944434 - Updates from Desktop launch Metro to perform the update. r=emtwo
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# [13:29] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> bbondy: let us know when we can help retriggering the nightlies
# [13:31] <bbondy> I can retrigger, I just want to wait for the current ones to finish
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# [13:31] <bbondy> FYI for eveyrone else, I'm going to respin a Nightly on Windows and cancel the current one because I wanted this bug in for the Nightly: bug 944434 and I landed that directly on m-c.
# [13:32] <bbondy> otherwise updates will work, but on win8 people will be confused because it'll be launching the metro browser.
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# [13:32] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> ^ edmorley Ms2ger fyi
# [13:33] <Ms2ger> Why wait for the current one to finish?
# [13:33] <bbondy> I've been told before that you can't run 2 Nightlies at once, in experience though as long as they don't finish at the same time you're ok.
# [13:34] <bbondy> the incremental packaging can get screwy if they are too close to each other I think
# [13:34] <bbondy> I could cancel the other platforms if you prefer though
# [13:35] <Ms2ger> No, that's fine
# [13:36] <bbondy> k, I meant to land it with the other 14 changesets but noticed this morning that I missed it.
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# [13:39] <bbondy> launching metro after an update instead of desktop seems not spin worthy, but it's worth a spin just in case there's any other unknown issues there.
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# [14:23] <Yoric> smaug: Hi.
# [14:24] <Yoric> I'm still looking at nsISHEntry stuff and I'm trying to understand the docshellID.
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# [14:24] <Yoric> If I have two frames with the same docshellID, what can I deduce?
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# [14:25] <@smaug> IIRC that means the shentries were created for the same docshell
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# [14:25] <Yoric> So, would that be the same <iframe> at different points in history?
# [14:26] <@smaug> right
# [14:27] <Yoric> Ok, so I realize that I still don't understand how nsISHEntry works :)
# [14:27] <@smaug> so we have shtransactions
# [14:28] <@smaug> each transaction is a tree of shentries
# [14:28] <Yoric> The children of a nsISHEntry represent all the children of the parent document at each point in history?
# [14:28] <@smaug> and each transaction represents a state in shistory
# [14:28] <@smaug> right
# [14:29] <Yoric> I thought that we had a new parent nsISHEntry for each point in history of any of the children documents.
# [14:29] <@smaug> Well, we have a new nsSHTransaction, and each nsSHTransaction is a root of an nsISHentry tree
# [14:30] <Yoric> Well, I'm looking at https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=8340082 (warning, 16Mb after decompression) and trying to understand exactly what is going on.
# [14:31] <bbondy> ok I started a new Nightly build, sorry for any inconvenience (CC Tomcat|sheriffduty edmorley Ms2ger)
# [14:32] <@smaug> hmm, what would be the package name for 7z on fedora
# [14:32] <Yoric> smaug: Here's a small extract of the children: https://pastebin.mozilla.org/3689434
# [14:33] <Yoric> So, firstly, I don't understand how the docshell can go from Twitter to Facebook.
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# [14:33] <Yoric> Secondly, I'm trying to understand how to limit the amount of history we look at in children, and I'm somewhat lost.
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# [14:34] <Yoric> Should I walk all the children, index them by docshellID, sort them by id (or order of encounter?), then keep only the most recently seen?
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# [14:35] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> bbondy: no problem
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# [14:36] <@smaug> Yoric: different tabs?
# [14:36] <@smaug> er, no
# [14:36] <Yoric> smaug: That's a single tab.
# [14:36] <@smaug> that shouldn't do it
# [14:36] <@smaug> and id should be global
# [14:36] <@smaug> hmm, are we cloning shentry somewhere in an unexpected way
# [14:37] <Yoric> Ah, actually, this could be distinct tabs across restarts of Firefox.
# [14:37] <Yoric> I don't quite understand the semantics of children well enough to be sure, but that would make some sense.
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# [14:43] <@smaug> yup
# [14:44] <Yoric> Does it make sense for us to save the docshellID, then?
# [14:45] <@smaug> if we end up saving stuff from several FF runs, no
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# [14:47] <Yoric> Do you know what's the point of saving docshellID in general?
# [14:47] <@smaug> no idea
# [14:47] <Yoric> In which cases could this be useful?
# [14:47] <@smaug> I'm not familiar with sessionstore
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# [14:48] <Yoric> Well, when we recreate a nsISHEntry from sessionstore.js, we re-assign the saved docshellID.
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# [14:48] <Yoric> That is the only thing we do with that docshellID.
# [14:49] <Yoric> I guess it makes sense if the iframe is static.
# [14:49] <@smaug> ah, yes that way
# [14:49] <Yoric> It probably doesn't make any sense if the iframe is dynamic.
# [14:49] <@smaug> Yoric: do we really store stuff from several FF runs?
# [14:50] <@smaug> and if so, why?
# [14:50] <Yoric> Well, we store history.
# [14:50] <Yoric> I'm not sure I understand your question.
# [14:50] <Yoric> We restore the history, then store it back.
# [14:50] <Yoric> We restore the history when we start FF, then store it back whenever we save sessionstore.js.
# [14:51] <Yoric> This often ends up storing stuff from several successive runs, for users who restore sessionstore.js automatically (e.g. me).
# [14:51] <@smaug> oh, does the docshellid go wrong during restoring
# [14:51] <Yoric> (or the reporter of that bug)
# [14:51] <Yoric> Well, I suspect that it doesn't make sense anymore during restoring.
# [14:51] <@smaug> docshell doesn't know about the id that has been updated to shentries
# [14:51] <@smaug> so new docshells get history entry IDs from 1 onwards
# [14:51] <Yoric> (especially with delayed tab restoration)
# [14:52] <@smaug> and sessionstore uses ids from the previous FF run...
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# [14:53] <Yoric> Indeed.
# [14:53] <Yoric> I wonder why.
# [14:53] <@smaug> but nsDocShell::mHistoryID is updated when docshell loads something from history
# [14:54] <@smaug> since we may have recreated the docshell
# [14:54] <@smaug> I wonder...
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# [14:55] <@smaug> should we store the max nsDocShell::mHistoryID value when we store sessionstore data
# [14:55] <@smaug> and then when FF starts, we start from that value
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# [14:55] <@smaug> so, store gDocshellIDCounter
# [14:55] <@smaug> and restore it when starting
# [14:56] <Yoric> Would that work if the session is restored with one more docshell than when it was saved?
# [14:56] <Yoric> Which is a common case, if we start either with about:home or about:sessionrestore.
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# [14:56] <@smaug> well, at least session history entries wouldn't have the same id as some newly loaded docshells
# [14:57] <Yoric> Assuming that we managed to store/restore docshellID correctly, what's the benefit?
# [14:57] <Yoric> Of restoring this field, that is.
# [14:58] <@smaug> well, as far as I see, it is currently possible to create docshell with id N, and sessionstore restores id N' . N' refers to the ID from the previous run
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# [14:58] <@smaug> so excepted stuff may happen
# [14:59] <@smaug> and at least the data stored in sessionstore may look odd
# [14:59] <@smaug> same id in several places
# [14:59] <@smaug> gDocshellIDCounter is uint64_t so it doesn't overflow too easily
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# [14:59] <@smaug> JS ofc can't represent that....
# [15:00] <@smaug> is JS 50+ bit or what
# [15:00] <@smaug> 53
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# [15:02] <Yoric> Or set it to a non-existent value?
# [15:03] <@smaug> don't understand the questions
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# [16:03] <ttaubert> Tomcat|sheriffduty: yup?
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# [16:04] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> ttaubert: was https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=31262090&tree=Fx-Team expected ?
# [16:04] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> seems happend after your push
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# [16:04] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> the one for https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/fx-team/rev/c284670371cc
# [16:04] <ttaubert> Tomcat|sheriffduty: oh I didn't see the one on my push :( certainly not expected
# [16:05] <ttaubert> Tomcat|sheriffduty: so should we back it out? it hasn't been merged yet, right?
# [16:05] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> yeah was not merged yet
# [16:06] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> i can back it out
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# [16:06] <ttaubert> Tomcat|sheriffduty: ok, ty
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# [16:20] <eis_os> Hello, anyone know how loadBindingDocument works?, I can find a way to load a binding, and get it's constructor called before other code gets run, so have odd timing errors
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# [16:22] <Ms2ger> Nobody who'll admit to it during Thanksgiving weekend, I suspect
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# [17:26] <@smaug> firebot: TART
# [17:26] <firebot> smaug: Sorry, I've no idea what 'TART' might be.
# [17:26] <@smaug> exactly
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# [17:28] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/8cbac89f1929 - Benoit Jacob - Bug 942492 - Add a missing #include to a header that really needs it - no review, trivial compilation fix
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# [17:29] <@ehsan> BenWa: ok, the -D flags only matter if they affect what you're PCHing :)
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# [17:29] <@ehsan> BenWa: at least in clang
# [17:29] <BenWa> ehsan: nice
# [17:29] <@ehsan> just did a simple test with libc
# [17:29] <@ehsan> yep
# [17:29] <BenWa> ehsan: try sse2
# [17:30] <BenWa> ehsan: Also the ABI effects PCH validation
# [17:30] <@ehsan> BenWa: like -msse2?
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# [17:30] <@smaug> could someone remind me what TART is? Tab-Animation-foo-bar?
# [17:30] <BenWa> yes
# [17:30] <@ehsan> BenWa: error: current translation unit was compiled with the target feature'+sse2' but the AST file was not
# [17:30] <BenWa> smaug: regression test
# [17:30] <BenWa> ehsan: right so we have to watch out for these
# [17:31] <@ehsan> yeah
# [17:31] <@ehsan> BenWa: this documents all of this stuff for msvc: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/fey8ayyf%28v=vs.90%29.aspx
# [17:31] <@smaug> BenWa: so thinking about "Expected TART breakage" message in .planning. Do we still in some cases have non-OMTC on OSX?
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# [17:32] <BenWa> smaug: 32-bit OSX maybe?
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# [17:33] <BenWa> and blacklist 10.6 hardware
# [17:33] <@smaug> oh dear
# [17:33] <BenWa> i.e. some 2006 laptops with crappy drivers
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# [17:33] <@smaug> ok, need to hack some OSX code then too
# [17:33] <@ehsan> BenWa: from: http://clang.llvm.org/docs/PCHInternals.html
# [17:33] <@smaug> when removing favor-perf-mode
# [17:33] <@ehsan> "The source manager block also contains information about all of the headers that were included when building the AST file. This includes information about the controlling macro for the header (e.g., when the preprocessor identified that the contents of the header dependent on a macro like LLVM_CLANG_SOURCEMANAGER_H)."
# [17:33] <@ehsan> which confirms my results about -D
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# [17:35] <BenWa> ok cool
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# [17:35] <BenWa> ehsan: I don't have time to get started on this today so feel free to if you do
# [17:35] <@ehsan> k
# [17:36] <BenWa> ehsan: Would be good to know the cost of having useless includes
# [17:36] <BenWa> that should be easy to get data for
# [17:36] <@ehsan> yep
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# [17:41] <BenWa> ehsan: from my test its entirely negligible
# [17:41] <@ehsan> BenWa: that's good!
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# [17:42] <BenWa> ehsan: Shoot, made a mistake. It takes an extra 0.15 CPU second for a large PCH
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# [17:42] <@ehsan> BenWa: hmm, what's in the pch?
# [17:43] <mconley> !seen sidstamm
# [17:43] <firebot> I've never seen a 'sidstamm', sorry.
# [17:43] <BenWa> ehsan: what you saw in bugzilla
# [17:43] <@ehsan> mconley: geekboy
# [17:43] <mconley> ehsan: ah, thanks
# [17:43] <@ehsan> BenWa: k
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# [17:44] <BenWa> ehsan: If I just get a hit on Layers.h then its quickly turns to a net saving
# [17:44] <@ehsan> BenWa: what do you mean?
# [17:45] <BenWa> ehsan: if I compile a file with just include Layers.h and my large PCH happens to have layers.h then it's a net saving
# [17:45] <@ehsan> right
# [17:45] <@ehsan> BenWa: yeah that's sort of a MVP criteria :)
# [17:45] <BenWa> I predict overall anything with a hit rate of 10% is worth having in a PCH
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# [17:46] <BenWa> which makes this easy to roll out
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# [17:46] <@ehsan> BenWa: also, see http://gamesfromwithin.com/the-care-and-feeding-of-pre-compiled-headers
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# [17:46] <@ehsan> BenWa: the guys also has a script to find the headers worth PCHing
# [17:46] <@ehsan> (http://gamesfromwithin.com/the-care-and-feeding-of-pre-compiled-headers)
# [17:47] <@ehsan> erm
# [17:47] <@ehsan> http://www.gamesfromwithin.com/wp-content/uploads/bin/list_precomp_py.txt
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# [17:47] <@ehsan> I'll try to take this for a test drive this weekend1
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# [17:51] <@ehsan> aklotz: ping
# [17:51] <aklotz> ehsan: pong
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# [17:51] <@ehsan> aklotz: hey, I'm landing my talos change... that's kosher isn't it?
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# [17:52] <BenWa> ehsan: I just cat all your *.pp | uniq -c | sort
# [17:52] <aklotz> ehsan: Since it's just a whitelist change, I think you're okay to land that with my r+
# [17:52] <@ehsan> BenWa: you will have more than one header on a line that way
# [17:53] <@ehsan> aklotz: cool, thank you
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# [17:53] <BenWa> It's not perfected but still found the top headers
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# [17:53] <BenWa> guess you pass it to a tokenizer first
# [17:54] <@ehsan> aklotz: now, what do I need to change in talos.json to pick this up?
# [17:54] <@ehsan> BenWa: yeah, should be easy enough
# [17:55] <@ehsan> aklotz: is it just global.talos_revision?
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# [18:00] <aklotz> ehsan: I'm not sure how current my advice is, but the last time I did it I had to update the url for talos.zip. I don't recall talos_revision being in there before, but something might have changed since I last pushed a talos update.
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# [18:08] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/d9f86fd4fa60 - Till Schneidereit - Bug 911578 - Introduce self-hosting intrinsic isPackedArray. r=jandem
# [18:09] <Ms2ger> ehsan, I think there might even be some docs for that
# [18:09] <Ms2ger> But in general, ask jmaher|afk
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# [18:12] <@ehsan> aklotz: I'm basing my guesses on https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=900913
# [18:12] <@ehsan> linked to from https://wiki.mozilla.org/Buildbot/Talos/Misc#Steps_to_add_a_test_to_production
# [18:12] <@ehsan> vladan: are you coming in today?
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# [18:13] <aklotz> ehsan: Those docs should be up to date, I think jmaher just revised them.
# [18:14] <@ehsan> ok thanks
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# [19:08] <bhearsum> gaia ui test failures seem to be fallout from https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=943008
# [19:08] <bhearsum> i backed it out
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# [19:19] <@ehsan> botond: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=942799
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# [19:23] <@ehsan> botond: r+
# [19:23] <botond> ehsan: thanks
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# [19:23] <@ehsan> sure thing
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# [20:13] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/f4bfed6175a1 - Catalin Iacob - Bug 819839 - Part 2 - Print file name and line number if available in DMD report. r=njn
# [20:13] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/bc2e4db71486 - Catalin Iacob - Bug 944438 - Get rid of InstallSignalHandlersMutex; r=luke
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# [20:29] <bhearsum> bbondy: is there a way i can print out the channel id of a mar file?
# [20:29] <bbondy> ya I think it's -V
# [20:29] <bbondy> sec I'll check for sure
# [20:29] <bbondy> but there is a different error code for mar channel mismatch btw
# [20:29] <bhearsum> ouch, segfault on this version of signmar
# [20:29] <bhearsum> oh
# [20:29] <bhearsum> right
# [20:29] <bhearsum> so, can i print out a full signature of a mar file? :)
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# [20:32] <bbondy> signmar -T archive.mar I think
# [20:32] <bbondy> should say something like Signature block found with 1 signature
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# [20:32] <bbondy> and then show you the embedded mar channel id
# [20:32] <bbondy> bhearsum^
# [20:32] <bhearsum> that gives me somethnig...
# [20:32] <bhearsum> no certificate information though
# [20:33] <bbondy> are you using mar or signmar?
# [20:33] <bhearsum> i'm pretty sure it's signmar, the usage message says "mar" though
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# [20:33] <bhearsum> this is the binary we use to sign with, so it must be signmar...
# [20:33] <bbondy> what does it give you when you -T?
# [20:33] <bhearsum> https://pastebin.mozilla.org/3690804
# [20:34] <bhearsum> hmmm, -X looks like it might be useful
# [20:34] <bbondy> that looks correct
# [20:34] <bbondy> the pastebin
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# [20:34] <bbondy> signature block found with 1 signature
# [20:34] <bbondy> and shows the mar channel id
# [20:34] <bhearsum> ok, i think i extracted the signature with -X ...
# [20:35] <bbondy> ya
# [20:35] <bbondy> I think it's a corrupted mar
# [20:35] <bbondy> and so the signature fails
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# [20:35] <bhearsum> what makes you think that?
# [20:35] <bjacob> man, we really need to r- very hard the IWYU-generated patches that add this kind of comments:
# [20:35] <bjacob> #include "mozilla/mozalloc.h" // for operator delete, etc
# [20:35] <bbondy> because that's what the error says :)
# [20:36] <Ms2ger> bjacob, some people like them :)
# [20:36] <bbondy> checksum doesn't check out
# [20:36] <bjacob> Ms2ger: i didnt make this up, we actually have files with that comment
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# [20:36] <bhearsum> bbondy: the one in his update log?
# [20:36] <Ms2ger> bjacob, I know
# [20:36] <bbondy> bhearsum: This is a new issue? or is this like the first update we do with holly?
# [20:36] <bhearsum> i don't know, this is the first report
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# [20:37] <bbondy> maybe the mar cert we embed in updater.exe isn't the same as waht we're generating for mars
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# [20:37] <bhearsum> right, that's what i'm trying to verify
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# [20:37] <bbondy> that sounds likely and maybe no one has ever gotten a good update from holly
# [20:37] <bhearsum> do you know what format the certs from signmar -X are in?
# [20:38] <bhearsum> they look kindof like x509 but openssl can't seem to read them..
# [20:38] <bbondy> I think the extract just gives you a the base64 encoded hash of the actual binary signature
# [20:38] <bhearsum> oh
# [20:38] <bhearsum> damn
# [20:38] <bbondy> probably not useful to you
# [20:38] <bhearsum> yeah
# [20:38] <bbondy> sec I'll check what we're verifying with
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# [20:40] <bbondy> bhearsum: I think we probably wanted holly here: http://dxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/toolkit/mozapps/update/updater/Makefile.in#102
# [20:40] <bhearsum> ah, indeed
# [20:41] <bhearsum> it's embedding the dep certs
# [20:41] <bhearsum> OK
# [20:41] <bbondy> so it's going to get signed with...
# [20:41] <bbondy> yep
# [20:41] <bhearsum> not the end of the world - i'll fix that, and the next set of nightlies will apply fine
# [20:41] <bbondy> k I guess since no one reported this until now no one is using holly nigthly updats anyway
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# [20:41] <bhearsum> it's kindof a PITA that this is specified in the tree...
# [20:41] <bbondy> yep agree
# [20:42] <bbondy> I don't have a good solution otherwise though
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# [20:42] <bbondy> if you want you can post about it and we can try to think of a better way
# [20:42] <bhearsum> we could explicitly set it in something that gets passed to the build system
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# [20:42] <bbondy> let's post for that separate and then discuss possible solutions there
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# [20:42] <bhearsum> +1
# [20:43] <bhearsum> bbondy: mind if i tag you to review this?
# [20:43] <bbondy> yep np
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# [20:43] <bhearsum> thanks for your help with this :)
# [20:43] <bbondy> np!
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# [20:44] <@ehsan> BenWa: is this cool with you? https://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/ab739ba4a8f2#l1.11
# [20:45] <BenWa> ehsan: if it compiles I guess
# [20:45] <@ehsan> looks like it does ;)
# [20:45] <Ms2ger> ehsan, doesn't change behaviour...
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# [20:45] <@ehsan> good, just checking
# [20:46] <@ehsan> Ms2ger: btw, did my testharness.js change make it into the tree now?
# [20:46] <Ms2ger> Yes
# [20:46] <BenWa> the important part is in the moz.build already
# [20:46] <@ehsan> great!
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# [20:46] <@ehsan> Ms2ger: now that I have your attention... how does one add a new moz.build variable?
# [20:46] <Ms2ger> Somewhere here, I assume: https://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/dc71a9c74cab#l3.1
# [20:47] <Ms2ger> ehsan, I tend to try to find some patch that added one, and parrot it :)
# [20:47] <@ehsan> Ms2ger: (that's it: https://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/dc71a9c74cab#l3.432)
# [20:47] <@ehsan> Ms2ger: I've tried doing that before, but I don't really understand what those patches do
# [20:47] <@ehsan> there is the notion of pass through variables
# [20:48] <@ehsan> and "other" variables
# [20:48] <@ehsan> which confuses me too
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# [20:48] <Ms2ger> A pass through variable is a variable that's just dumped into backend.mk
# [20:48] <Ms2ger> So the logic still lives in rules.mk/config.mk
# [20:48] <Ms2ger> For the other variables, the logic lives in python (or maybe a dedicated makefile)
# [20:49] <@ehsan> hmm
# [20:49] <@ehsan> Ms2ger: here's what I want to do
# [20:49] <@ehsan> we currently add some delay loading flags to EXTRA_DSO_LDOPTS on windows
# [20:49] <@ehsan> I want to have a moz.build variable like this:
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# [20:49] <@ehsan> DELAYLOAD_DLLS = ['foo.dll', 'bar.dll']
# [20:49] <@ehsan> and map that to this on the linker's command line:
# [20:50] <@ehsan> -DELAYLOAD:foo.dll -DELAYLOAD:bar.dll
# [20:50] <Ms2ger> Mmm
# [20:50] <@ehsan> which type of variable do I want for this?
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# [20:51] <Ms2ger> Something in between :)
# [20:51] <@ehsan> hrm
# [20:51] <bbondy> bhearsum: r+ed
# [20:51] <@ehsan> can you be more specific please?
# [20:51] <Ms2ger> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/60139be512d4
# [20:51] <@ehsan> (I know *nothing* about this stuff)
# [20:51] <bhearsum> bbondy: cheers
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# [20:51] <Ms2ger> That's probably a good one to start from
# [20:52] <@ehsan> Ms2ger: is this line the main logic here? http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/60139be512d4#l1.14
# [20:52] <Ms2ger> Yep
# [20:53] * Ms2ger thinks
# [20:53] <@ehsan> great, that's very helpful
# [20:53] <@ehsan> thanks a lot!
# [20:53] * @ehsan will play with this during the weekend
# [20:55] <Ms2ger> So you'd probably end up with something like passthru.variables['EXTRA_DSO_LDOPTS'] = ['-DELAYLOAD:%s' for dll in sandbox['DELAYLOAD_DLLS']] there
# [20:57] <@ehsan> Ms2ger: yeah, that's exactly what I want
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# [20:58] <@ehsan> Ms2ger: bug 944800 if you're curious
# [20:59] <Ms2ger> Eh, it's windows, not terribly ;)
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# [20:59] <@ehsan> lol
# [20:59] <@ehsan> fair enough
# [20:59] <@ehsan> oh
# [20:59] <@ehsan> Ms2ger: do I need to emit an error or something if this is done on non-windows?
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# [20:59] <jdm> it feels zippy
# [20:59] <jdm> that is not an adjective I'm used to applying to gecko builds
# [21:00] <Ms2ger> ehsan, I guess either that or make it a no-op on windows
# [21:00] <Ms2ger> jdm, is it faster than Servo's now? :)
# [21:00] <@ehsan> jdm: zippy?
# [21:00] <jdm> Ms2ger: quite.
# [21:00] <@ehsan> Ms2ger: ok, assuming you meant "non-windows"
# [21:00] <Ms2ger> ehsan, yeah, that
# [21:00] <jdm> and there are more steps, so it feels less frustratingly silent
# [21:00] <Ms2ger> ehsan, not sure which is better
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# [21:01] <@ehsan> it's ok, I catch your drift :)
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# [21:12] <bjacob> hey, i was wondering
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# [21:12] <bjacob> we have a lot of hashtables where the key type has an order that's cheap to compute, for example pointers
# [21:12] <bjacob> why are these using hashtables then?
# [21:13] <bjacob> why not plain maps?
# [21:13] <bjacob> ie binary trees
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# [21:15] <Ms2ger> Isn't that O(log n) rather than O(1) lookup?
# [21:16] <Ms2ger> Also, we've got a lot of hashtable implementations, but I can't think of a tree implementation in the tree
# [21:16] <bjacob> Ms2ger: the constant in that O(1) is comparable to the log n for the biggest possible n ...
# [21:16] <bjacob> Ms2ger: we already use std::map in many places
# [21:16] <Ms2ger> bjacob, that's not what my algorithms professors said! :)
# [21:16] <Ms2ger> And std::* containers are awful
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# [21:21] <@smaug> not that our hashtables are too good either
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# [21:21] <bjacob> smaug: have you played with using a std::map for the CC's mPtrToNodeMap ?
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# [21:22] <@smaug> I see no reason to use std::map
# [21:23] <@smaug> I may see a reason to get faster hashtable though
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# [21:23] <@smaug> mPtrToNodeMap isn't in too perf critical code path
# [21:23] <bjacob> smaug: my primary motivation would be avoiding pldhash's size limit ; then i have no idea what's going to be faster
# [21:24] <@smaug> I know that our hashtables aren't fast enough for certain cases
# [21:24] <@smaug> but I don't know what we should do to them
# [21:24] <bjacob> smaug: when the key type is void*, how do good hash tables compared to good binary trees, speed wise?
# [21:24] <@smaug> I don't know what kind of performance one can get from std::map and whether if varies between platforms
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# [21:25] <bjacob> smaug: it's a plain binary tree, it tends to be implemented as a RB tree...
# [21:26] <@smaug> binary tree may require quite a few lookups
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# [21:26] <@smaug> so depending on the implementation, it may look at memory which is not in the caches
# [21:27] <@smaug> hashtable, if working well, should do just one
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# [21:29] <bjacob> smaug: yes, that's a problem with simple binary trees. It's workaroundable though, for example the binary tree in your HDD's filesystem is very good at not making random disk access ;-)
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# [21:30] <@smaug> bjacob: do you know how std::map is actually implemented
# [21:30] <@smaug> on all the platforms?
# [21:31] <@smaug> if it is slower than our hashtables, I see no reason to use it ;)
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# [21:31] <bjacob> smaug: i only know how it's implemented on GCC (and there it's a RB tree). there is only one way to tell how fast it's going to be!
# [21:33] * @smaug should try std::map in some DOM stuff where hashtable perf has been a problem
# [21:35] <tessarakt2> bjacob: filesystems use binary trees?
# [21:35] <@smaug> ... just to see how slow std::map is.
# [21:35] <bjacob> tessarakt2: for sure! but heavily tweak ones to cope with very slow random access speed
# [21:35] * @smaug has no trust std::map being fast
# [21:36] <bjacob> smaug: note that for cases where a hashtable is really wanted, c++11 has unordered_map
# [21:36] <@smaug> sure
# [21:36] <tessarakt2> I thought they usually use B-trees ...
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# [21:36] <bjacob> tessarakt2: that's what i called 'heavily tweak ones to cope with very slow random access speed'
# [21:37] <@smaug> bjacob: but before starting to use std::map, better to understand its perf
# [21:37] <bjacob> smaug: chicken & egg problem though
# [21:38] <bjacob> tessarakt2: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B-tree "The B-tree is a generalization of a binary search tree in that a node can have more than two children." so indeed not a real binary tree
# [21:38] <@smaug> yup. which is why one needs to try it for some use cases and get some profiles
# [21:38] <bjacob> smaug: yup
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# [22:48] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/48a03977660e - Ehsan Akhgari - Bug 942421 - Work around a gcc 4.8 bug when building the JS engine in unified mode; r=djvj
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# [22:55] <@ehsan> "Your message has been sent. Invite dev-platform to Gmail"
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# [22:56] <bhearsum> hehe
# [22:56] <bhearsum> well what are you waiting for?!
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# [22:59] <jdm> spread the love
# [23:02] <@ehsan> I'm not that close to dev-platform
# [23:02] <@ehsan> don't want to give her the wrong impression :P
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# [23:37] <@ehsan> glandium: is build/mozconfig.common includes in *all* mozconfigs?
# [23:38] <glandium> ehsan: it's supposed to
# [23:38] <@ehsan> k
# [23:38] <@ehsan> glandium: fwiw I have tested those builds manually on all platforms myself
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# [23:46] <glandium> ehsan: sorry, i had to r-
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# [23:46] <@ehsan> glandium: why?
# [23:47] <glandium> ehsan: see the comments
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# [23:48] <@ehsan> glandium: can you please suggest solutions as part of the r-? :)
# [23:48] <@ehsan> glandium: I don't know how to do most of the stuff you're asking me to do
# [23:48] <glandium> ehsan: i won't block on the m4 thing, but the other things are blocking
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# [23:49] <@ehsan> glandium: about the m4 thing, those checks are not exactly the same, so I wouldn't be able to reuse them anyway
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# [23:49] <glandium> ehsan: they're like 90% the same, the remaining 10% is mostly noop at toplevel, i'm sure this can be shared
# [23:49] <glandium> ehsan: but as i said, i won't block you on that
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# [23:50] <@ehsan> glandium: can I ask the person who wrote that stuff to do the refactoring please?
# [23:50] <@ehsan> glandium: I am very afraid of changing that logic because I barely undertsand it
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# [23:51] <glandium> ehsan: who wrote that stuff?
# [23:51] <@ehsan> I don't know
# [23:51] <@ehsan> I can file a follow-up
# [23:51] * @ehsan suspects Waldo?
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# [23:53] <glandium> i'm not following, what refactoring are you talking about?
# [23:53] <@ehsan> glandium: moving things into m4 then figuring out how to share code in both configures etc
# [23:54] <glandium> ah, i said i won't block you on that :)
# [23:54] <@ehsan> ok :)
# [23:55] <@ehsan> glandium: actually let me reply to your comment with questions
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