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1. # Session Start: Thu Dec 19 00:00:00 2013
2. # Session Ident: #developers
3. # [00:00] <billm> oh right, we don't do that message preprocessing
4. # [00:00] <@bsmedberg> the event loop is very different on each platform
5. # [00:00] <@bsmedberg> to the point of being crazy-different
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7. # [00:00] <@bsmedberg> we might want to fix that in content processes, since they probably don't ever need to process native events
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10. # [00:00] <@bsmedberg> but I wouldn't want to bet on that right now
11. # [00:01] <billm> yeah, I've been having a hard time following all this code. there's a lot of weird nesting.
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14. # [00:01] <@smaug> tn: no
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16. # [00:01] <@smaug> 1am
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18. # [00:03] <@smaug> tn: feel free to give r+ to the first or the last patch in Bug 899910. or both. if the last one works, I'd push that, otherwise the first one
19. # [00:03] <@smaug> but now, good night
20. # [00:03] <@bsmedberg> billm: I owe everyone a doc on how the event loop fits together on each platform, but that's not going to happen until mid-January at the earliest
21. # [00:04] <@bsmedberg> I do know that unfortunately-well
22. # [00:04] <tn> smaug: ok, i'll look. good night.
23. # [00:04] <@bsmedberg> in any case, in this case we should probably just flag the "we've exited" bit and not re-run the loop if we already exited
24. # [00:05] <billm> bsmedberg: ok. my main question is whether we'd ever expect the sequence Run(); Exit(); Run(); to be okay.
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27. # [00:05] <@bsmedberg> I cannot think of a case where that makes sense, no.
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29. # [00:05] <billm> bsmedberg: if not, then I can just return early from nsAppShell::Run if Exit has already been called. does that sound okay?
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31. # [00:05] <@bsmedberg> But also, this shit is weird, so smichaud should probably be aware of whatever we're doing.
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35. # [00:06] <@bsmedberg> yeah, try it and see what happens
36. # [00:06] <billm> ok, I can ask him for review
37. # [00:06] <billm> thanks
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39. # [00:07] <@ehsan> glandium: ping
40. # [00:07] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/7301ccf7e0be - Steve Workman - Bug 947391 - Add a timeout for initial HTTP responses r=mcmanus
41. # [00:07] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/58db1fb509be - Steve Workman - Bug 947391 - Add test for HTTP response timeouts r=mcmanus
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51. # [00:16] <mjrosenb> RyanVM|afk: I have a hard time beleiving that the one line patch caused any failurs on x86.
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55. # [00:16] <RyanVM|afk> mjrosenb: the failure was debug-only and the code change was in an ifdef DEBUG, so it was the best I had to go off
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57. # [00:17] <mjrosenb> RyanVM|afk: fair enough.
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59. # [00:17] <RyanVM|afk> mjrosenb: that said, I'm noticing now that the push before yours (mccr8's ICC patches) did have a win debug run like I thought they did
60. # [00:17] <RyanVM|afk> so we'll see
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62. # [00:18] <glandium> ehsan: pong
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64. # [00:19] <grobinson> Gonna throw this one out again - given an nsIRequest/nsIChannel, is there any way to determine if it was created for XHR?
65. # [00:19] <@ehsan> glandium: you clobbered some of my changes to gyp_reader and recursivemake.py
66. # [00:19] <@ehsan> glandium: was that intentional?
67. # [00:19] <grobinson> nsIXMLHttpRequest has a channel member, but I'm not sure if I can get back to that channel from nsIXMLHttpRequest
68. # [00:19] <glandium> ehsan: ?
69. # [00:19] <grobinson> (i mean, to XMLHttpRequest from that channel)
70. # [00:19] <@ehsan> glandium: in your patch to the webrtc bug
71. # [00:20] <glandium> ehsan: i started from scratch
72. # [00:20] <@bz> grobinson: there is, kinda
73. # [00:20] <@ehsan> glandium: ok, I'll submit the rest of the changes separately
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75. # [00:21] <@bz> grobinson: But why do you need to?
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86. # [00:27] <mbrubeck> RyanVM|afk: I'm about to start uplifting some Metro patches to Aurora; just want to make sure I'm not going to collide if you're in the middle of any uplifts
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91. # [00:28] <RyanVM|afk> mbrubeck: not planning to do any uplifts until the morning. fire away
92. # [00:29] <mbrubeck> thanks!
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94. # [00:29] <mayhemer> when I add new telemetry probe, what do I have to do to recompile the json file and use the new probe in C++ then?
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100. # [00:30] <mayhemer> ignore me! I'm changing a bad json file, different tree :)
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104. # [00:31] <grobinson> bz: Bug 713980
105. # [00:31] <grobinson> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=713980
106. # [00:31] <grobinson> I was thinking it would be nice to have different error messages for blocked cross-site XHR, vs. other blocked cross-site requests
107. # [00:32] <@bz> Ah
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109. # [00:32] <grobinson> Especially since the first cases is such a common pain point for js devs
110. # [00:32] <grobinson> Although just having one message is probably sufficient
111. # [00:32] <grobinson> so it's a "nice to have"
112. # [00:32] <@bz> So the most common case where this is a pain point is fonts
113. # [00:32] <@bz> fwiw
114. # [00:32] <@bz> You can detect XHR by examining the channel's notification callbacks
115. # [00:33] <@bz> which in the case of XHR are the XHR object itself.
116. # [00:33] <@bz> But ideally we'd actually flag channels with what they're loading somehow
117. # [00:33] <@bz> So you wouldn't have to play games like that
118. # [00:33] <@bz> I expect in general logging the URI will be enough for people to figure out what was being loaded, fwiw.
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120. # [00:34] <grobinson> Good to know you can use the notification callbacks
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122. # [00:34] <@bz> I'd rather we didn't
123. # [00:34] <grobinson> I agree, the URI is probably enough
124. # [00:34] <@bz> Enough addons do it that we can't just break it, I expect.
125. # [00:34] <@bz> But stilll....
126. # [00:34] <grobinson> Why isn't it good to use the notification callbacks?
127. # [00:35] <@bz> because nothing actually promises that they'll be the xhr object
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129. # [00:35] <@bz> it was done for convenience
130. # [00:35] <@bz> but it's not supported API
131. # [00:35] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/11751c0efe27 - Sean Stangl - Bug 951439 - Use CallVM for RegExp.exec(). r=h4writer
132. # [00:36] <@bz> technicaly, it's supposed to be an opaque pointer...
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142. # [00:41] <NeilAway> seth: is it expected that hitting stop before a full-screen animated GIF loads switches to "The image cannot be displayed because it contains errors"?
143. # [00:41] <mbrubeck> Are IID changes allowed on Aurora? Specifically, bug 941774 changes an IID in nsIWidget.h
144. # [00:41] <NeilAway> s/full-screen/full-page/
145. # [00:41] <@bz> mbrubeck: you have to get binary approval
146. # [00:41] <@bz> mbrubeck: iirc
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148. # [00:42] <RyanVM|afk> mbrubeck: bz: only on beta
149. # [00:43] <RyanVM|afk> Aurora's fine
150. # [00:43] <grobinson> bz: I understand. Will not do that for now, and will just report a generic "Cross-Site Request Blocked" message. Thank you!
151. # [00:43] <RyanVM|afk> bz: mbrubeck: FWIW, we have commit hooks that enforce it
152. # [00:43] <mbrubeck> RyanVM|afk: thanks
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168. # [00:56] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/fb1b9398aa86 - Brian Birtles - Bug 946540 part 2 - Reftest for motion paths with inflection points outside (0,1); r=longsonr
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170. # [00:58] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/693808c3546c - Dan Gohman - Bug 925088 - SpiderMonkey: Fold loads into branchTest32. r=nbp
171. # [00:58] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/a2d86e1bf774 - Dan Gohman - Bug 925088 - SpiderMonkey: Micro-optimize x64's testStringTruthy. r=mjrosen
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179. # [01:01] <bent> billm, i'm here now, sorry
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181. # [01:01] <bent> billm, sounds like you got a plan though?
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189. # [01:08] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/a3287212603e - Ryan VanderMeulen - Backed out changesets b03bd1170d1c, 419615a1195d, a1b699b80442, and 524c573fd8a6 (bug 937960) for Win7 debug xpcshell orange.
190. # [01:08] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/b464f609a193 - Ryan VanderMeulen - Backed out changesets 472a1be79a9f, 2b43b310858b, and adc20d941bd8 (bug 948554) for Win7 debug xpcshell timeouts.
191. # [01:08] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/14eaffaa838a - Marty Rosenberg - Land bug 951573. r=jandem
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203. # [01:14] <seth> NeilAway: no. that sounds worth filing. (sounds like we should either not actually stop until the frame is done downloading, or throw away the currently-downloading frame if you hit stop.)
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206. # [01:14] <mjrosenb> RyanVM|afk: toldya :-p
207. # [01:15] <RyanVM|afk> mjrosenb: you win the prize
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209. # [01:15] * nrc idly wishes Thunderbird had sync
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211. # [01:16] <seth> nrc: what would it sync? mail server connection info?
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213. # [01:16] <nrc> seth: accounts, filters, rss subscriptions, passwords
214. # [01:16] <nrc> esp. filters
215. # [01:17] <seth> nrc: yeah, that would be very useful
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217. # [01:17] <seth> nrc: i often curse the similar lack of ability to sync my Mail.app filters to my iPhone, which means that things aren't filed correctly until my computer gets around to downloading them =\
218. # [01:17] <nrc> oh yeah, same, very annoying
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221. # [01:18] <nrc> hmph, I can't even find a way to export that info :-(
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224. # [01:19] <nrc> oh yeah, and all the address book/complete the email address info, syncing that would be awesome
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227. # [01:20] <seth> could always file a bug =)
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229. # [01:20] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/6523e469b1cb - Christian Holler - Bug 950658 - Clear pending exception in HeapTypeSetKey::instantiate on OOM. r=bhackett
230. # [01:20] <nrc> ah, the lazy man's alternative to writing a patch, perfect!
231. # [01:21] <seth> i prefer to think of it as: a sign of maturity is a willingness to delegate =)
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236. # [01:22] <nrc> looks like seth is management material
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240. # [01:24] <@njn> philor, RyanVM|afk: I have questions about https://wiki.mozilla.org/Sheriffing/Job_Visibility_Policy#6.29_Outputs_failures_in_a_TBPL-starrable_format
241. # [01:25] <@njn> philor, RyanVM|afk: i.e., what exactly do I need to do for the Valgrind job
242. # [01:25] <nrc> bug 621198 already exists
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245. # [01:25] <nrc> probably moe sadness than one man can take though
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247. # [01:25] <nrc> *more
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252. # [01:28] <NeilAway> seth: ok, I'll try to remember to file tomorrow
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287. # [01:42] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/a6f4adade9df - Ryan VanderMeulen - Backed out changeset 11751c0efe27 (bug 951439) for mass bustage.
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292. # [01:44] <jgilbert> is there a way to run mochitests on a system I didn't build on?
293. # [01:46] <nthomas> this is what the testers do on tbpl. on the build side, 'make package package-tests', then see a test log for how to unpack them
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295. # [01:47] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/86eb809847a3 - Honza Bambas - Bug 951713 - CacheIOThread causes activity spikes during idle, r=michal
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299. # [01:49] <jgilbert> cool, thanks
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303. # [01:51] <nthomas> there's probably no nice mach command or make target to call, because no build system any more
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325. # [02:07] <@ehsan> glandium: where is the caller site?
326. # [02:07] <glandium> ehsan: in the same file, look for Unified_%s_%s
327. # [02:08] <@ehsan> glandium: so with these new patches I'm getting a weird build failure
328. # [02:08] <@njn> gps: I put |valgrind-test| in python/mach_commands.py because that let me use self.python_executable... is that usable elsewhere?
329. # [02:09] <@ehsan> glandium: the unified .c files are now getting compiled with clang++
330. # [02:09] <@ehsan> and not clang
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332. # [02:09] <@ehsan> which causes the build to fail
333. # [02:09] <@ehsan> and I have no idea why
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339. # [02:10] <glandium> ehsan: check the contents of the corresponding backend.mk
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341. # [02:11] <@ehsan> glandium: already did, it's sane
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343. # [02:11] <@ehsan> the .c unified file goes in CSRCS
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345. # [02:12] <@ehsan> glandium: https://pastebin.mozilla.org/3806338
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349. # [02:13] <glandium> ehsan: there was a good reason for the prefix to contain the file suffix
350. # [02:13] <glandium> ehsan: hint: a .cpp file is built as a .o file
351. # [02:14] <glandium> ehsan: a .c file is built as a .o file
352. # [02:14] <glandium> both have the same name
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354. # [02:14] <@ehsan> ah ok
355. # [02:14] <@ehsan> dammit
356. # [02:14] <@ehsan> let me write this patch for the 15th time!
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358. # [02:15] <glandium> ehsan: i told you to munge the path ;)
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360. # [02:15] <@ehsan> glandium: which is what I did :)
361. # [02:15] <glandium> ehsan: apparently, you removed the suffix
362. # [02:16] <@ehsan> no
363. # [02:16] <@ehsan> I removed the cpp in Unified_cpp_foo
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367. # [02:16] <glandium> ehsan: that's what i'm saying
368. # [02:16] <@ehsan> ok sure
369. # [02:16] <glandium> ehsan: unrelatedly, did you see that unified windows debug builds are broken?
370. # [02:17] <glandium> it's amazing how quickly these happen
371. # [02:17] <@ehsan> glandium: I did not
372. # [02:17] <glandium> unified builds are winning the pissing contest
373. # [02:17] <grobinson|laptop> glandium: quickly meaning the builds, or the bustage?
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377. # [02:18] <glandium> grobinson|laptop: how quickly changes land that break unified or non-unified builds, depending on what the tree is building (currently, b2g is all non-unified, and other builds are unified on opt and non-unified on debug)
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380. # [02:19] <@ehsan> glandium: well it's naive to expect things that we don't test to not break
381. # [02:19] <@ehsan> software breaks by default!
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384. # [02:20] <@ehsan> glandium: ok new patch up, it does fix the issue
385. # [02:20] <@ehsan> with that, the build works on mac
386. # [02:20] <glandium> ehsan: the point is, we won't be testing it on every landing. and things will break, and sheriff are going to be pissed
387. # [02:21] <@ehsan> glandium: why can't we test it on every landing? we could if we wanted to
388. # [02:21] <glandium> ehsan: yeah, like we're going to double the amount of builds we do
389. # [02:21] <@ehsan> well
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392. # [02:22] <@ehsan> glandium: with things like bug 950850, we clearly have much bigger fish to fry when we decide to care about our infra load
393. # [02:22] * @ehsan pushes to try
394. # [02:23] <glandium> we should use aws for windows builds too
395. # [02:23] <glandium> the new compute nodes have ssd
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399. # [02:24] <@ehsan> yeah either that, or look at how much time we're spending doing what, and start to fix the worst offenders
400. # [02:25] <@ehsan> I guess ssds are easier
401. # [02:25] <glandium> and be smarter with mercurial. seriously
402. # [02:25] <bkero> someone cares about infra load? <3
403. # [02:25] <bkero> Oh, just me. :(
404. # [02:25] <glandium> ehsan: there have been bugs files about the slowness of everything before configure even runs for months
405. # [02:25] <@ehsan> bkero: see bug 950850 if that interests you!
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407. # [02:26] <@ehsan> glandium: yes and we all know how having a bug on file fixes everything right? ;)
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411. # [02:27] <@ehsan> glandium: my point is, until we back up the ideology of caring about infra load with actual action, there's only so much I'm willing to bend backwards to not add additional load
412. # [02:27] <bkero> ehsan: blanket statements like 'hg purge' isn't reliable doesn't interest me. But I'm sure I can forward it to hg developers who would challenge or second such a view.
413. # [02:27] <@ehsan> and I'm about to get to the maximum bending point here ;)
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415. # [02:27] <@ehsan> bkero: I believe what catlee-mtg said was based on a prior attempt
416. # [02:27] * @ehsan is not pointing a finger at anyone fwiw
417. # [02:28] <glandium> ehsan: with an old version of mercurial
418. # [02:28] <@ehsan> it's just that we as an organization have failed at this
419. # [02:28] <glandium> ehsan: completely
420. # [02:28] <glandium> utterly
421. # [02:28] <@ehsan> glandium: yes, with an old version
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423. # [02:28] <@ehsan> I almost cried when I watched that slave spend an hour doing 100% useless work
424. # [02:29] <glandium> i don't understand why those bugs are kept open for so long
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426. # [02:29] <bkero> Different parts of Mozilla work at different paces. You want stability, it comes with a slow pace.
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428. # [02:29] <@ehsan> bkero: see the part about not pointing fingers? :)
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430. # [02:30] <bkero> I would be happy to upgrade mercurial to the latest version right now, but many different people demand things like testing periods.
431. # [02:30] * bkero doesn't point fingers
432. # [02:30] <@ehsan> well
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434. # [02:30] <@ehsan> upgrading mercurial is not the only possible fix
435. # [02:30] <@ehsan> we could also work around whatever hg purge bugs there are
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437. # [02:30] <@ehsan> same way that we work around compiler bugs etc
438. # [02:31] <@ehsan> we don't declare defeat when we hit a bug in a tool
439. # [02:31] <bkero> I'd like to see the 'bugs' defined.
440. # [02:31] <bkero> I'm sure the mercurial devs would like to see them defined even more.
441. # [02:31] <@ehsan> bkero: "hg purge not doing what it says on the can"?
442. # [02:31] <Mook_as> hire some contractor to write a windows service that does format /q for you? :p
443. # [02:32] <@ehsan> I doubt hg devs are interested in bugs in ancient versions of hg ;)
444. # [02:32] <@ehsan> Mook_as: why would we need a contractor? we already have a tool for that (winrm.exe)
445. # [02:32] <bkero> ehsan: we're up to 2.5 now.
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447. # [02:33] <@ehsan> bkero: here's a simple workaround! hg purge; do hg status; if it shows anything odd, then fall back to the stupid thing we currently do
448. # [02:33] <bkero> Infra is, I'm not sure about other parts of moz. Seeing the confusion in the bug about having hg needing matching versions, I bet the folks who confused that also upgraded their systems too
449. # [02:33] <Mook_as> ehsan: yes, but that still traverses the file system, no?
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452. # [02:33] <glandium> yeah, we should use volume shadow copy
453. # [02:33] <bkero> ehsan: sounds like you need to go a three line shell script patch :)
454. # [02:33] <@ehsan> Mook_as: yes, but that's a lot faster than doing that through posix ;)
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456. # [02:34] <@ehsan> bkero: believe me I would if I knew how to contribute to that stuff
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458. # [02:34] <@ehsan> I don't even know where that code is, how to test it etc
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461. # [02:34] <@ehsan> I _have_ put my patches where my mouth is in mozilla-central
462. # [02:35] <bkero> ehsan: If you'd like to contribute to the hg server configuration/setup, it's all there and self-contained for you to deploy on ec2 or docker. http://github.com/bkero/puppet-module-hg
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465. # [02:35] <@ehsan> bkero: there is a huge barrier to entry there for somebody like me, I'm not familiar with any of that stuff
466. # [02:35] <bkero> ehsan: that hidden-ness might be part of the problem :(
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468. # [02:35] <@ehsan> I even barely know python, ask glandium ;)
469. # [02:36] <@dolske> ehsan: cmon, github isn't _that_ bad. ;)
470. # [02:36] <@ehsan> dolske: not talking about github
471. # [02:36] <@dolske> I know :)
472. # [02:36] <@ehsan> ec2 config, docker, etc
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474. # [02:36] <@ehsan> I mean, the whole "patches accepted" concept only goes so far
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476. # [02:36] <Waldo> dolske++
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479. # [02:37] <@ehsan> there are practical reasons which prevent *me* from contributing those patches
480. # [02:37] <bkero> ehsan: You can run it in any VM. Just 1) install linux, 2) install puppet, 3) git clone $thing, 4) sh $thing/setup.sh
481. # [02:37] * Waldo wonders when he'll get around to ever using github, or actually learning git
482. # [02:37] <@ehsan> bkero: maybe I'll give that a shot, but do you see my point?
483. # [02:37] <bkero> ehsan: there is plenty of room for non-code contributions too, yes :)
484. # [02:37] <@ehsan> in general, *anything* that runs on our infra is 100% pure black magic to most gecko hackers
485. # [02:38] <glandium> bkero: note we don't need to upgrade mercurial on the *server* to do hg purge on the build *slaves*
486. # [02:38] <@ehsan> the easiest thing we can do is file bugs, discuss solutions, give ideas etc
487. # [02:38] <@ehsan> but that doesn't help much
488. # [02:38] <bkero> ehsan: the best way for me to improve the infra for the needs of developers is to understand their workflows
489. # [02:38] <glandium> we're upgrading the toolchain much more often than the mercurial client.
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491. # [02:39] <bkero> I actually has a mercurial dev ask me today to get a gecko dev in touch with him because he wants to know how to make our workflow more efficient!
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493. # [02:39] <@ehsan> bkero: well, look for the bugs that I've filed in the releng component, you'll find quite a bit of improvement ideas ;)
494. # [02:39] <bkero> (so if any of y'all would volunteer ;) )
495. # [02:39] <glandium> bkero: easy: make it as fast as git
496. # [02:39] <@ehsan> bkero: I would take that offer but I've switched to git :)
497. # [02:39] <@khuey> git++
498. # [02:39] <@ehsan> khuey++
499. # [02:39] <bkero> glandium: He's sitting on a patch for bundled revlog pushes, which would solve that for us.
500. # [02:39] <@khuey> ehsan: jlebar++ really
501. # [02:40] <@khuey> he converted me
502. # [02:40] <@ehsan> jlebar++ :)
503. # [02:40] <@khuey> I was a h8er
504. # [02:40] <glandium> bkero: that what?
505. # [02:40] <@ehsan> yes, I was sitting in that room
506. # [02:40] <@ehsan> remember? ;)
507. # [02:40] <@khuey> no
508. # [02:40] <@ehsan> boo
509. # [02:40] <bkero> glandium: would make clones as 'fast as git'.
510. # [02:40] <glandium> bkero: i'm not talking about cloning
511. # [02:40] <glandium> bkero: i'm talking about everything
512. # [02:40] <@njn> glandium: I briefly tried git and found it not noticeably faster than hg; and that was before I updated to a modern hg like 2.7
513. # [02:41] <glandium> bkero: that being said, i'd take a faster hg clone -r rev
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515. # [02:41] * Mook_as hopes that means downloading bundle files off ftp will be obsolete
516. # [02:41] <bkero> glandium: I'm curious if you have any numbers for that. :) AFAIK there are no modern benchmarks done for operations.
517. # [02:41] <glandium> njn: it's slower on all accounts for me. log, commit, etc.
518. # [02:41] <@dolske> khuey: what sold you on git?
519. # [02:41] <@ehsan> bkero: workflow wise, the reason I stopped using hg is mq
520. # [02:41] <@khuey> dolske: git rebase -i
521. # [02:41] <bkero> I was helping the mercurial devs out by writing some tests to make sure operations were operating in expected time complexities.
522. # [02:41] <@ehsan> it's just soooooooo bad :(
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524. # [02:42] <bkero> ehsan: I can pass on some constructive criticism if you'd care to explain
525. # [02:42] <@ehsan> bkero: if you ever talk to them about this, ask them if they have tried stacked git
526. # [02:42] <@ehsan> sure
527. # [02:42] <@ehsan> bkero: mq is based on textual diffs
528. # [02:42] <glandium> mq is set to die anyways
529. # [02:42] <@njn> glandium: I was ready for the blazing speed I was promised, and was disappointed. And the UI! |rebase -i| seems like the killer feature hg is missing, though I hear something equivalent is coming soon
530. # [02:42] <@ehsan> which means that the VCS cannot do things like merges and rebases
531. # [02:42] <mbrubeck> I did a bunch of simple perf comparisons between hg and git on Windows, but Google Groups deleted my post. :(
532. # [02:42] <@ehsan> which keeps destroying your work
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534. # [02:43] <@ehsan> stacked git is an implementation of an mq like thing, but on top of actual commits instead of textual diffs
535. # [02:43] <@khuey> njn: it's all slow as hell on windoze ;-)
536. # [02:43] <@ehsan> which uses merges and rebases
537. # [02:43] <@ehsan> and implements the same concepts (popping a patch, pushing a patch, reordering patches etc)
538. # [02:43] <@njn> khuey: which version are you on?
539. # [02:43] <glandium> ehsan: and even without mq, hg blows at merging
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541. # [02:43] <@khuey> njn: of windows?
542. # [02:43] <@njn> khuey: of hg
543. # [02:43] <@khuey> oh, idk
544. # [02:43] <@ehsan> I don't use stacked git myself, but it gives you a good implementation of that idea, and it should technically be possible on hg too
545. # [02:43] <@khuey> 2.5.4 apparently
546. # [02:44] <bkero> glandium: using the rebase extension?
547. # [02:44] <mbrubeck> Here was my non-scientific git versus hg perf comparison on one Windows laptop: https://pastebin.mozilla.org/3806489
548. # [02:44] <@khuey> vs git 1.8.3
549. # [02:44] <@njn> khuey: ok, should be reasonable
550. # [02:44] <glandium> bkero: no
551. # [02:44] * khuey is now known as khuey|away
552. # [02:44] <@ehsan> bkero: I'd be happy to provide more info if they need it
553. # [02:44] <glandium> bkero: just merging m-c into birch has been a pain in the ass
554. # [02:44] <bkero> ehsan: Could you join #mercurial on freenode or pm durin42 in private and give him some feedback?
555. # [02:44] <@ehsan> mbrubeck: did you use perf and windows in the same sentence? ;)
556. # [02:44] <@njn> mbrubeck: thank you for data
557. # [02:45] <@ehsan> bkero: sure!
558. # [02:45] <mbrubeck> ehsan: I should have said "git versus hg slowness comparison" :)
559. # [02:45] <@ehsan> mbrubeck: ah, slowness fits perfectly in that sentence!
560. # [02:45] <mbrubeck> ehsan: Although this is not the first time today I've used "perf" and "windows" together, as you know since I saw your comment in bug 946877...
561. # [02:46] <@ehsan> lol
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564. # [02:46] <@ehsan> mbrubeck: there are more ways to make such sentences, here's an example "oh you use windows? prffff" :D
565. # [02:47] <bkero> "What's that? It sounds like you have a slow leak. You're leaking my dear."
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567. # [02:47] <@ehsan> bkero: do you have durin42's email address?
568. # [02:47] <bkero> ehsan: I do! 1s
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570. # [02:49] <bkero> ehsan: PM sent.
571. # [02:49] <@ehsan> bkero: wanna be CCed?
572. # [02:49] <bkero> ehsan: sure, I'm curious about workflow problems too
573. # [02:49] <@ehsan> k
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575. # [02:50] <bkero> FWIW we have local git copies of github repos too that could be used if git is desired
576. # [02:50] <bkero> (git.mozilla.org, and soon gitlab.allizom.org)
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581. # [02:54] <bkero> ehsan: durin42 is also in Chicago, so he might be having dinner right now. :) In any case he'll be back in an hour to play Starcraft.
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583. # [02:56] <@ehsan> yeah
584. # [02:56] <@ehsan> bkero: I need to leave now... but I sent him an email
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587. # [02:56] <@ehsan> I'll stay on #mercurial if he needs to find me later
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590. # [02:58] <@ehsan> glandium: the .S stuff didn't work :( see the try bustage
591. # [02:58] <bkero> cool
592. # [02:58] <@ehsan> glandium: please review with the assumption that I'll fix it before landing
593. # [02:59] <@ehsan> gotta go now
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631. # [03:20] <gkw> njn: wasn't --num-callers=20 a temporary number? are we bumping that back up later?
632. # [03:20] <gkw> (great to see the mach valgrind patches coming along, btw!)
633. # [03:20] <@njn> gkw: I'm actually pretty happy with it
634. # [03:20] <@njn> gkw: I don't think it needs to be higher
635. # [03:20] <gkw> ok, sure
636. # [03:20] <gkw> just a ponder
637. # [03:20] <@njn> gkw: I need just one more review before I can make progress
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645. # [03:27] <Waldo> git--
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650. # [03:31] <@njn> Wow: the Go compiler is being rewritten from C to Go using automatic translation
651. # [03:31] <glandium> njn: yay, one more pain in the ass to bootstrap
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653. # [03:32] <Waldo> scumbag RyanVM push-races me :-(
654. # [03:32] <glandium> although if it's bundled with gcc, they might keep bootstrapping possible, unlike rust
655. # [03:36] <Waldo> noooooooooooooo
656. # [03:36] <Waldo> y u closed tree
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712. # [04:19] <yeukhon> grobinson|laptop: grobinson ah im so glad i see im the only one have issue with https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=951895
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715. # [04:20] <grobinson|laptop> you mean you're not the only one? :)
716. # [04:20] <grobinson|laptop> is this a problem you're having with that patch you're working on?
717. # [04:20] <yeukhon> yeah my patch doesnt work because of this same bug
718. # [04:20] <yeukhon> two days straight keep bilding
719. # [04:20] <yeukhon> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=7df1b576f62c
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722. # [04:20] <yeukhon> this literally doesn't do anything but never hit listener
723. # [04:21] <yeukhon> since the dump/log message never appear in my log
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725. # [04:22] <dholbert> yeukhon, don't you need waitForExplicitFinish in that test?
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730. # [04:23] <yeukhon> dholbert: it's a strange test… one the same process linux build, i think only this patch will complain "simple.test() has been called multiple times" if i add that statement
731. # [04:24] <yeukhon> i have to double check again it was like 3-4 days ago. but something like that
732. # [04:24] <yeukhon> with the absence of simple.finish() in the test
733. # [04:25] <dholbert> yeukhon, ok. I haven't looked at it too closely. But I'd expect you'd want waitForExplicitFinish, and then finish() in your "cleanup" function, or something like that
734. # [04:25] * dholbert stops driveby-test-critiquing
735. # [04:25] <yeukhon> yeah thats how i do it in the other patch
736. # [04:25] <dholbert> (that would explain the "no tests run" error you're hitting in your try run, anyway)
737. # [04:26] <yeukhon> which is the exact patch except (well testing a different problem) and loading a different locale file
738. # [04:26] <yeukhon> but b2g is the only one failing
739. # [04:26] <dholbert> could just be a race condition
740. # [04:26] <yeukhon> i supposed all other desktop builds are single process?
741. # [04:26] <dholbert> yeah, I think so
742. # [04:26] <dholbert> stuff's loading fast enough elsewhere, loading more slowly in b2g
743. # [04:27] <dholbert> so we end up thinking the test is done, before the listener ever fires
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745. # [04:27] <dholbert> or something
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747. # [04:27] <dholbert|dinner> yeukhon, good luck!
748. # [04:27] <yeukhon> dholbert|dinner: thanks
749. # [04:28] <yeukhon> *back to digging problem*
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758. # [04:33] <LongXiuping> Does any body knows that why in Firefox OS v1.3 we can not get the local storage size with the API long getUsage(in AString aOwnerDomain) like in v1.1? I know the API is removed from nsIDOMStorageManager, but why?
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764. # [04:36] <grobinson|laptop> yeukhon: does it work on e10s? try running with mach mochitest-plain --e10s
765. # [04:36] <grobinson|laptop> If it works there, then it's localized to B2G (and not just single vs. multi process)
766. # [04:36] <yeukhon> let me try
767. # [04:36] <grobinson|laptop> i didn't lookat your test, but listen to dholbert
768. # [04:36] <yeukhon> need to boot up my vm
769. # [04:36] <grobinson|laptop> he knows some things :D
770. # [04:37] <yeukhon> :3 hes gone for dinner (my dinner is right in front of me 222222)
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773. # [04:38] <tbsaunde> LongXiuping: try reading the bug that removed it?
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776. # [04:40] <yeukhon> grobinson|laptop: yeah it works for me
777. # [04:40] <yeukhon> the original test i have (without explicit)
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779. # [04:41] <grobinson|laptop> still, definitely check the race condition thing
780. # [04:41] <grobinson|laptop> if there's anything async happening, you need SimpleTest.waitForExplicitFinish
781. # [04:41] <yeukhon> it's pretty much the same patch for x-content-policy the one u reviewed
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789. # [04:48] <rcampbelllaos> Anyone know who I should contact about adding a new spellcheck dictionary extension to the Dictionaries & Language Packs page (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/language-tools/)?
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791. # [04:48] <KWierso> rcampbelllaos: try asking in #amo ?
792. # [04:49] <rcampbelllaos> KWierso: Thanks!
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801. # [04:57] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/d86702f2170c - Ehsan Akhgari - Bug 951555 - Clean up dead code from dom/workers/RuntimeService.cpp after removal of heuristic detection from the File API; r=bent
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810. # [05:05] <ewong> it's doing the lambada!! ;P
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818. # [05:08] <mbrubeck> KWierso: Me too.
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820. # [05:08] <mbrubeck> I swear I didn't break it!
821. # [05:08] <KWierso> mbrubeck: bug 951911 made it sound like it should only be on trunk trees
822. # [05:08] <KWierso> and hidden at that
823. # [05:09] <KWierso> and I didn't think there would be a reconfig to pick it up until tomorrow
824. # [05:09] <mbrubeck> KWierso: I notice that mochitest-metro-chrome just showed up on my Aurora push for the first time
825. # [05:09] <mbrubeck> which is https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=950144
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827. # [05:09] <mbrubeck> so someone must have done something to the masters there
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839. # [05:19] <jhopkins|afk> mbrubeck: coop appears to have done a reconfig tonight (see #releng at 9:25PM EST)
840. # [05:19] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/ab6a4c0bb082 - Jeff Walden - Bug 937793 - Tweaks to template-array creation. r=bhackett
841. # [05:20] <rcampbelllaos> Quick question on ./intl//lwbrk/public/nsILineBreaker.h... Are lines 70-72 the correct location for adding the Burmese range of characters?
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845. # [05:22] <KWierso> philor|away: odd, these new gaia-integration jobs aren't showing up in the hidden builders list on the trunk branches, but they're running there?
846. # [05:22] <KWierso> aurora listed both 32 and 64 bit versions
847. # [05:22] <KWierso> m-c has only 32 bit
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876. # [05:46] <mbrubeck> so close to zero failures: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Mozilla-Aurora&rev=04a669b65fb3
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882. # [05:49] <KWierso> mbrubeck: stabbed in the back by our infrastructure...
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890. # [06:01] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/85830cef2651 - Trevor Saunders - bug 883708 - don't assert when parent of reorder event is shown later r=surkov
891. # [06:02] <Unfocused> KWierso: as opposed to being stabbed in the face?
892. # [06:03] <KWierso> Unfocused: would you prefer being stabbed by a thousand horse-sized infra failures, or a thousand infra failure-sized horses?
893. # [06:03] <@bz> Doesn't the size of an infra failure depend on your default font size in your browser?
894. # [06:03] <Unfocused> i prefer pie.
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917. # [06:26] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/94d22ab0b17f - Andrew McCreight - Bug 937960, part 1 - Add ICC pref to nsJSEnv. r=smaug
918. # [06:26] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/ccdc3d4f4571 - Andrew McCreight - Bug 937960, part 4 - Reduce time until CC when it is incremental. r=smaug
919. # [06:27] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/0ae14946314b - Andrew McCreight - Bug 937960, part 2 - Add ICC slice timer and scheduling. r=smaug
920. # [06:27] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/4dcc91e771e3 - Andrew McCreight - Bug 937960, part 3 - Pass in a small time budget with ICC. r=smaug
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927. # [06:37] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/77c909ca0f94 - Wes Kocher - Merge m-c to inbound
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948. # [07:01] <philor> oh yay, new permared suite on multiple trees, with log messages which will make it awkward to star, and which very probably doesn't meet the visibility requirements
949. # [07:01] <philor> I think my Christmas vacation might start right this minute
950. # [07:02] <KWierso> philor: I think I hid them everywhere
951. # [07:02] <KWierso> though I don't think they're supposed to be running at all on aurora
952. # [07:02] <KWierso> and nothing's pushed to beta yet to see if they run there
953. # [07:02] <philor> KWierso: the way that you hide them from me is... don't run them, run them on Cedar until they are green and meet visibility requirements
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956. # [07:03] <philor> I can either choose to not look at showall=1, despite there being multiple things on multiple trees that are hidden but I watch them closely, or I can just stop
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958. # [07:05] <philor> I just don't seem to want to be shit upon this week
959. # [07:06] <KWierso> I couldn't possibly imagine why...
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963. # [07:08] <@bz> philor: _my_ vacation is starting about now.
964. # [07:09] <@bz> philor: Join me in vacationing!
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969. # [07:11] <philor> I think I shall
970. # [07:11] <philor> maybe b2g will implode and disappear by the time I get back
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1101. # [09:09] <Ms2ger> Bonjour
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1108. # [09:17] <yeukhon> mornong to you
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1111. # [09:19] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/c245cc9c1b43 - Henri Sivonen - Bug 951110 - Make AssertValidDepedentString() more informative. r=bsmedberg.
1112. # [09:20] <Ms2ger> Depedent? :)
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1114. # [09:22] <yeukhon> its time for me to sleeeeep
1115. # [09:22] <yeukhon> it's hard to go to bed
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1117. # [09:22] <yeukhon> still can't get my people account working last time i crashed my ec2...
1118. # [09:22] <Ms2ger> Get out :)
1119. # [09:23] <yeukhon> Ms2ger: BOOOOOO
1120. # [09:23] <yeukhon> okay!
1121. # [09:23] <Ms2ger> Aren't you in est?
1122. # [09:23] <yeukhon> yeah
1123. # [09:23] <yeukhon> 3:20am
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1151. # [09:45] <NeilAway> seth: ah, that's bug 602108, and jesse commented on the case I was thinking of
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1156. # [09:50] <heycam> XPCOM_DEBUG_BREAK=break ./mach mochitest-plain --debugger=lldb blah/blah/blah
1157. # [09:50] <heycam> is the break bit meant to work with running mochitests through mach like that?
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1159. # [09:53] <Ms2ger> Try mach -v?
1160. # [09:53] <heycam> what's -v?
1161. # [09:53] <heycam> looks like the break thing works with an old school make -C objdir mochitest-plain
1162. # [09:53] <Ms2ger> It logs more stuff about the env
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1164. # [09:54] <heycam> ah
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1183. # [10:11] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/d44b65359da5 - Andrea Marchesini - Bug 946316 - Allow the use of strings as DataStore IDs, r=ehsan
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1205. # [10:32] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/ab6a4c0bb082 - Jeff Walden - Bug 937793 - Tweaks to template-array creation. r=bhackett
1206. # [10:32] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/f6588099c40b - Ryan VanderMeulen - Merge m-c to inbound.
1207. # [10:32] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/85830cef2651 - Trevor Saunders - bug 883708 - don't assert when parent of reorder event is shown later r=surkov
1208. # [10:32] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/d86702f2170c - Ehsan Akhgari - Bug 951555 - Clean up dead code from dom/workers/RuntimeService.cpp after removal of heuristic detection from the File API; r=bent
1209. # [10:32] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/35c6a9cd23b0 - Carsten "Tomcat" Book - merge mozilla-inbound to mozilla-central
1210. # [10:33] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/86eb809847a3 - Honza Bambas - Bug 951713 - CacheIOThread causes activity spikes during idle, r=michal
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1224. # [10:48] <glandium> sigh. and once again, mercurial can't do a simple merge
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1228. # [10:54] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> :)
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1242. # [11:03] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/1c09e7f144b4 - Nicolas B. Pierron - Bug 951668 - IonCaches: Use icRestoreLive. r=efaust
1243. # [11:03] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/208094b94589 - Nicolas B. Pierron - Bug 951668 - IonCaches: Group leave-exit-frame logic next to the call. r=efaust
1244. # [11:04] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/49f4fd358fa1 - Nicolas B. Pierron - Bug 951668 - IonCaches: Make setFramePushed implicit. r=efaust
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1264. # [11:14] <RattyAway> gps: I'm having problems with the JAR_MANIFESTS
1265. # [11:14] <RattyAway> mozmake[8]: Entering directory 'c:/t1/hg/objdir-sm/mozilla/extensions/inspector/resources/locale'
1266. # [11:14] <RattyAway> c:/t1/hg/comm-central/mozilla/config/rules.mk:1327: *** c:/t1/hg/comm-central/mozilla/extensions/inspector/resources/locale contains a jar.mn file but this file is not declared in a JAR_MANIFESTS variable in a moz.build file. Stop.
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1268. # [11:15] <RattyAway> gps: but I DID put JAR_MANIFESTS += ['jar.mn'] all over the place
1269. # [11:16] <RattyAway> my current patch: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/3808981
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1303. # [11:42] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/5c3c9e97a1c1 - Henri Sivonen - Bug 945189 - Finish sjs response explicitly using XHR instead of relying on a timer. r=bzbarsky.
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1317. # [11:52] <RealRaven> mozdev.org is still down :( :'( can anybody ping someone about this?
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1323. # [11:54] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/4e6b39fbd81e - Jon Coppeard - Bug 951722 - Add asserts that hash table postbarriers are working for new type objects r=terrence
1324. # [11:54] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/8d8b6b62294b - Jon Coppeard - Bug 951722 - Add asserts that hash table postbarriers are working for debug scopes r=terrence
1325. # [11:54] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> RealRaven: well ping davidwboswell
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1327. # [11:55] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> seems he is listed as contact for the domain
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1330. # [11:56] <RealRaven> Tomcat|sheriffduty: I have already sent him an email yesterday...
1331. # [11:56] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> ah ok
1332. # [11:56] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> RealRaven: he is in #webdev as example but since he is in california might take some time till he responds i guess
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1334. # [11:57] <RealRaven> ok
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1343. # [12:03] <zee> hi
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1345. # [12:04] <NeilAway> seth: although, I'm seeing a partly loaded image turn into a broken image when its load is stopped, I'm not sure what's correct here :s
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1347. # [12:05] <NeilAway> bah, it took me too long to find out the new name for nsImageDocument :s
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1350. # [12:07] <NeilAway> aryeh++
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1356. # [12:10] <NeilAway> bah, why does ImageURL exist, and why does it have nsAutoCString members?
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1375. # [12:26] <Ms2ger> NeilAway, ImageDocument?
1376. # [12:28] <Yoric> For testing purposes, I need to ensure that some document has postdata attached to it.
1377. # [12:28] <Yoric> Is there a natural way to do this or do I need to reach into nsIDocShell?
1378. # [12:29] <ttaubert> Yoric: I thought postdata is per shistory entry
1379. # [12:29] <Yoric> Not quite clear to me.
1380. # [12:29] <Yoric> http://dxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/docshell/base/nsIWebNavigation.idl#227 and http://dxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/docshell/base/nsIDocShell.idl#140 give an navigation-related API to set it.
1381. # [12:30] <Yoric> I guess it's stored somehow in the shistory.
1382. # [12:30] <Yoric> But the question is how I'm supposed to put it there :)
1383. # [12:31] <Yoric> Preferably without having to mess with history.
1384. # [12:31] <Ms2ger> "Ask bz"
1385. # [12:31] <Yoric> bz: ^
1386. # [12:32] <Ms2ger> Though, "Boris Zbarsky [:bz] (Vacation Dec 19 to Jan 1)"
1387. # [12:33] <ttaubert> noooo
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1390. # [12:33] <Yoric> Gasp.
1391. # [12:33] <Ms2ger> Maybe smacleod
1392. # [12:33] <Ms2ger> Er
1393. # [12:33] <Ms2ger> smaug,
1394. # [12:33] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> yeah the mozilla holiday will be more from tomorrow eod on :)
1395. # [12:33] <Ms2ger> smacleod, I wish your name didn't start with sma :)
1396. # [12:34] <ttaubert> Yoric: so it looks like nsIUploadChannel.uploadStream might be what you want
1397. # [12:34] <ttaubert> you'd have to get the current document's channel then
1398. # [12:34] <Yoric> I was thinking of nsIWebNavigation::loadURI.
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1401. # [12:35] <ttaubert> I thought you want to find out whether there's post data for the current page?
1402. # [12:36] <Yoric> I want to put post data.
1403. # [12:36] <Yoric> I'm counting on Session Restore to extract it.
1404. # [12:36] <Yoric> I'm still in my Telemetry tester.
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1406. # [12:36] <ttaubert> so you want to load some page with post data basically
1407. # [12:36] <@smaug> Ms2ger: at least smacleod is not smontagu (== not smaug)
1408. # [12:37] * @smaug can't remember postData stuff
1409. # [12:37] <Yoric> ttaubert: Yep.
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1411. # [12:37] <Ms2ger> I already learned to avoid smontagu by using a length-3 prefix :)
1412. # [12:37] <ttaubert> Yoric: the easiest way might be to have a simple form?
1413. # [12:37] <Yoric> ttaubert: Is that sufficient to ensure that it's stored?
1414. # [12:37] <Yoric> Anyway, time for lunch.
1415. # [12:37] <Yoric> Talk to you later.
1416. # [12:37] <ttaubert> I *think* so
1417. # [12:38] <ttaubert> alright
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1419. # [12:41] <Ms2ger> CRLF--
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1425. # [12:46] <NeilAway> Ms2ger: mozilla::dom::ImageDocument if you're in WinDbg
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1428. # [12:48] <Ms2ger> Now all I need to do is hope that there's still a few reviewers around
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1430. # [12:49] <jonco> Tomcat|sheriffduty: hey, looks like I broke the ggc test on inbound. I'll backout.
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1434. # [12:55] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> jonco: ok cool
1435. # [12:55] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> was not sure so did the retrigger
1436. # [12:55] <jonco> cheers for that
1437. # [12:57] <NeilAway> bah, it's too easy to hit the t and y keys simultaneously
1438. # [12:57] <NeilAway> thus answering y to the question that the t key asks :s
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1444. # [13:11] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/e2b59ec2df63 - Jon Coppeard - Backout changeset 4e6b39fbd81e (bug 951722) for ggc orange
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1461. # [13:23] <hsivonen> is Holly supposed to compile using clang on Linux 64?
1462. # [13:24] * hsivonen tries GCC
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1469. # [13:29] <@smaug> ttaubert: why is <a ping> so hot suddenly?
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1471. # [13:30] <Ms2ger> Maybe the Beacon stuff
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1476. # [13:33] <ejpbruel> anyone else having problems with smtp.mozilla.org?
1477. # [13:33] <ejpbruel> seeing connection timeouts
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1479. # [13:34] <hsivonen> smaug: a simple attribute starts looking better when the alternative is running JS on every plain-link navigation
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1486. # [13:38] <@smaug> hsivonen: how so?
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1489. # [13:39] <@smaug> window.addEventListener("unload", function() { navigator.sendBeacon(); }) isn't too complicated
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1493. # [13:42] <Ms2ger> In a no-op build, 225 of 286 lines of console spam come from NSS
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1500. # [13:50] <hsivonen> smaug: well, maybe it isn't, but still it's probably the contrast to beacon that caused the new interest in <a ping>
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1506. # [13:52] <hsivonen> at least Holly compiles on GCC
1507. # [13:52] <@smaug> how is holly different from m-i ?
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1513. # [13:54] <hsivonen> smaug: Holly does not have Australis and js/src/gc/Barrier.h on Holly does not compile with clang on Linux. Dunno what that has to do with the absence of Australis
1514. # [13:54] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> i thought holly is the australis tree
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1516. # [13:55] <@smaug> m-i is australis
1517. # [13:55] <Ms2ger> The non-Australis tree
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1525. # [13:58] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> see https://wiki.mozilla.org/ReleaseEngineering/DisposableProjectBranches#BOOKING_SCHEDULE
1526. # [13:58] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/0c5ba564c2b7 - Felix S. Klock II - Bug 943852: need not set resultTypeSet for get prop on known type (r=h4writer).
1527. # [13:59] <@smaug> yes, Holly is the Australis backout branch
1528. # [13:59] <ttaubert> smaug: bug 786347
1529. # [13:59] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> grr i wish hg on b2g-inbound would finish checkout so i can merge
1530. # [14:00] <ttaubert> smaug: oh you actually asked me smth sorry I didn't see that
1531. # [14:01] <ttaubert> smaug: I don't know why it's hot. I just saw a tweet about it and thought I could make it spec-compliant
1532. # [14:01] <@smaug> ah
1533. # [14:01] <ttaubert> smaug: looked like a not too complicated thing for me to do
1534. # [14:01] <ttaubert> and after I fixed that I wanted to enable it :)
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1536. # [14:03] <@smaug> I see
1537. # [14:03] <@smaug> I thought there was some urgent need for this kind of feature
1538. # [14:03] <ttaubert> smaug: that was what I read http://calendar.perfplanet.com/2013/browser-wishlist-2013/#anchorping
1539. # [14:03] <ttaubert> I guess that is the reason why people want to have it
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1544. # [14:07] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/7cc3096a8ae3 - Olli Pettay - Bug 950367 - random failures in test_bug462106_perwindow.xul, r=ehsan
1545. # [14:08] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/6fc89dd13c81 - Olli Pettay - Bug 867505 - Intermittent test_bug536567_perwindowpb.html, r=ehsan
1546. # [14:08] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/f2ffe58a9aef - Olli Pettay - Bug 950342 - Random failures in toolkit/components/places/tests/browser/browser_visituri_privatebrowsing_perwindowpb.js, r=ehsan
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1551. # [14:10] <shianyow_> How to print nsCString or nsAutoCString in gdb?
1552. # [14:10] <mfinkle> ttaubert, i saw your fixes to make <a ping> spec compliant and i got excited
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1554. # [14:11] <ttaubert> mfinkle: good, that was my intention
1555. # [14:12] <ttaubert> mfinkle: now with the beacon thingy... let's see how that goes
1556. # [14:12] <Ms2ger> shianyow_, .get()?
1557. # [14:12] <mfinkle> ttaubert, but now i wish i never said anything and we just turned it on :(
1558. # [14:12] <shianyow_> "(gdb) p string.ToNewCString()" in wiki seems out of date.
1559. # [14:12] <shianyow_> ms2ger: thanks, let me try.
1560. # [14:12] <ttaubert> mfinkle: yeah, we're almost stuck in a big discussion again
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1564. # [14:15] <RyanVM> smaug: are you running into bug 857427 at all?
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1566. # [14:16] <@smaug> hmm, no, I don't think so
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1568. # [14:18] <ttaubert> Tomcat|sheriffduty: hey, did you forgot to mark the fx-team -> m-c bugs as merged?
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1571. # [14:19] <RyanVM> smaug: interesting, that's the top "perwindowpb" test failure we hit on trunk
1572. # [14:19] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> ttaubert: checking
1573. # [14:20] <@smaug> RyanVM: yeah, I assume it would need some similar fix
1574. # [14:20] <RyanVM> smaug: don't suppose I could talk you into it? :)
1575. # [14:20] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> ttaubert: the one from 5c7fa2bfea8b were done
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1577. # [14:21] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> ttaubert: any specific changeset/bug ?
1578. # [14:21] <ttaubert> Tomcat|sheriffduty: oh sorry my bad. the only bug I looked at was backed out again (partly) sorry :)
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1581. # [14:22] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> np :)
1582. # [14:22] <@smaug> RyanVM: I can probably look at it
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1585. # [14:22] <RyanVM> smaug: thanks :)
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1593. # [14:26] <Yoric> ttaubert: Fun fact: we seem to have no test for postdata.
1594. # [14:26] <Yoric> (in session restore)
1595. # [14:27] <ttaubert> Yoric: not really surprising :/ we also don't have a test for .innerHTML for contenteditables and other niche stuff
1596. # [14:30] <shianyow_> Ms2ger: it worked, thank you.
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1612. # [14:41] <NeilAway> Ms2ger: speaking of reviews, who do you think should do http://pastebin.mozilla.org/3809932 ?
1613. # [14:42] <NeilAway> Yoric: I didn't even think we restored post data...
1614. # [14:43] <Yoric> NeilAway: Well, at least, we store it.
1615. # [14:43] <NeilAway> Yoric: although, it's been ages since I last looked at it
1616. # [14:43] <ttaubert> NeilAway: yeah I"m not even sure that's a "feature"
1617. # [14:43] <Yoric> I have no issue with getting rid of it.
1618. # [14:43] <Yoric> ttaubert: From content, how would you simulate a click?
1619. # [14:43] <Yoric> Can we somehow access EventUtils?
1620. # [14:43] <ttaubert> Yoric: file a bug. let's think about it and if there's no counter args get rid of it
1621. # [14:44] <ttaubert> Yoric: element.click()
1622. # [14:44] <Yoric> Oh.
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1624. # [14:44] <@bsmedberg> Does new C++ have destructuring assignment?
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1638. # [14:50] <Yoric> ttaubert: So far, I haven't succeeded at writing a test for POST telemetry. I believe that everything else is tested. Are you ok with not covering this bit in the current bug?
1639. # [14:50] <ttaubert> Yoric: yup
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1648. # [14:54] <Ms2ger> NeilAway, looking
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1654. # [14:55] <Ms2ger> NeilAway, empty
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1657. # [14:56] <NeilAway> Ms2ger: sorry, typo, try http://diff.pastebin.mozilla.org/3809932
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1659. # [14:57] <Ms2ger> NeilAway, bz or smaug, I think
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1664. # [14:58] <NeilAway> Ms2ger: ta
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1667. # [15:01] <Yoric> ttaubert: I'm CC-ing you on bug 951671, we seem to be the culprits.
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1669. # [15:01] <ttaubert> hm
1670. # [15:01] <ttaubert> :(
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1678. # [15:12] <ttaubert> Yoric: hm ok let's see what comes out of this. SessionWorker shouldn't do a thing if the machine is really idle
1679. # [15:12] <Yoric> Nor should OS.File.
1680. # [15:12] <Yoric> Might be a js-ctypes-related bug.
1681. # [15:12] <Yoric> Or a OS.File bug.
1682. # [15:12] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/95266299b1ed - Benjamin Smedberg - Bug 943519 - If we don't have a valid nsIFormProcessor, the HTML parser should continue and should not mark the entire document as broken, r=hsivonen
1683. # [15:12] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/5de427ba924e - Alessio Placitelli - Bug 943519 - Using moz_malloc/free/realloc instead of nsMemory::Alloc/Free/Realloc (fallible allocations); r=bsmedberg
1684. # [15:12] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/bc87301018f7 - Alessio Placitelli - Bug 943519 - Handle errors returned from calls to Perform; r=reviewers
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1705. # [15:26] <firebot> Check-in:
1706. # [15:26] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/0192ade0e746 - Matt Woodrow - Bug 946475 - Avoid using AutoSaveRestoreClippedOut for ClearRect when the cumulative clip can be represented as a single axis aligned rectangle. r=Bas, a=lsblakk
1707. # [15:27] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/6c0aa15ef904 - Matt Woodrow - Bug 946475 - Clip to the clear area in DrawTargetD2D::ClearRect so that we don't accidentally restore pixels that weren't drawn. r=Bas, a=lsblakk
1708. # [15:27] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/a5f796e3a9de - Hannes Verschore - Bug 944278 - OdinMonkey: Fix stack alignment. r=luke, a=lsblakk
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1711. # [15:27] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/82f563712074 - Peter Van der Beken - Bug 938640 - Move GetTopImpl. r=bz, a=lsblakk
1712. # [15:27] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/22fe8c3d4f3b - Peter Van der Beken - Bug 938640 - Make forwarding to outer conditional on current inner. r=bz, a=lsblakk
1713. # [15:27] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/abcbe0e114e3 - Benoit Jacob - Bug 948406 - Append some zeros to EGL attrib lists to work around a bug in Android/B2G emulator. r=vladv, a=lsblakk
1714. # [15:28] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/384f34c4d96e - masaya iseki - Bug 944153 - Modify setJitCompiler to return undefined. r=nbp
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1718. # [15:30] <yzen> Yoric: ping
1719. # [15:30] <Yoric> yzen: pong
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1721. # [15:30] <yzen> Yoric: ya i realize i didn't have to make that chance, i can put back the conditional stuff, or keep the patch as is and mark for checkin after the other one ?
1722. # [15:31] <Yoric> Conditional stuff should be good for now.
1723. # [15:31] <yzen> ok ill put it back and mark for check-in ?
1724. # [15:31] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/eac0c33eeebe - James Willcox - Bug 869368 - Fix Flash plugin positioning on Android 2.3 r=clord
1725. # [15:32] <yzen> Yoric: ^
1726. # [15:32] <Yoric> Sounds good.
1727. # [15:32] <yzen> \o/
1728. # [15:32] <kats> RyanVM: are you done aurora uplifts?
1729. # [15:33] <RyanVM> kats: done or doing?
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1731. # [15:33] <kats> done
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1733. # [15:33] <RyanVM> no
1734. # [15:33] <RyanVM> still doing
1735. # [15:33] <kats> ok cool
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1743. # [15:39] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/e3e21c3ada8c - Benjamin Bouvier - Bug 936740: inline call to libc's ceil for Math.ceil(); r=jandem
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1747. # [15:41] <RattyAway> $ ./mozilla/mach build-backend
1748. # [15:41] <RattyAway> 0:00.20 c:\t1\hg\objdir-sm\_virtualenv\Scripts\python.exe c:\t1\hg\objdir-sm\config.status
1749. # [15:41] <RattyAway> Error running mach:
1750. # [15:41] <RattyAway> ['build-backend']
1751. # [15:41] <RattyAway> gps: march build-backend doesn't work
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1753. # [15:42] <RattyAway> WindowsError: [Error 2] The system cannot find the file specified
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1755. # [15:43] <RyanVM> kats: I did all the 1.3+ stuff first, so your stuff got a bit mixed up with the combination of a+ vs. 1.3+
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1759. # [15:43] <kats> RyanVM: fair enough
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1762. # [15:44] <kats> i just noticed that you did some beta uplifts too so i thought you might be done with aurora
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1766. # [15:44] <kats> RyanVM: thanks for doing all the uplifts, btw. saves me a ton of time :D
1767. # [15:45] <RyanVM> np :)
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1780. # [15:55] <RyanVM> argh, I hate getting push raced by pushbot
1781. # [15:56] <kats> lol
1782. # [15:56] <kats> pushbot doesn't even get the satisfaction of racing
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1784. # [15:57] <RattyAway> anyone around who knows how this mozbuild thingy works?
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1786. # [15:58] <RattyAway> I'm trying to port bug 774572 to inspector, chatzilla, etc and nothing is working
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1788. # [15:58] <@bsmedberg> Anyone know who owns nsJAR certificate checking? And please, I'm sure the answer isn't me!
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1791. # [15:59] <RyanVM> RattyAway: Ms2ger ^ ?
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1794. # [15:59] <@bsmedberg> RattyAway: "this mozbuild thingy"?
1795. # [15:59] <Ms2ger> bsmedberg
1796. # [15:59] <Ms2ger> Oh, not you?
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1798. # [15:59] <Ms2ger> RattyAway, gps
1799. # [15:59] <Ms2ger> And glandium
1800. # [16:00] <RattyAway> glandium: hihi!
1801. # [16:00] <Ms2ger> bsmedberg, maybe taras?
1802. # [16:00] <@bsmedberg> RattyAway: #build in general, but maybe the question should be more specific ;-)
1803. # [16:00] <@bsmedberg> Ms2ger: heh, sounds good
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1820. # [16:13] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/2a4d9d11d0be - Benjamin Bouvier - Bug 944398: Inline Math.fround even if its returned value hasn't ever been observed; r=bhackett
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1822. # [16:15] <RyanVM> smaug: can you nominate bug 950930 for uplift please?
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1828. # [16:18] <RyanVM> kats: done now, ping me if I missed anything
1829. # [16:19] <kats> RyanVM: nope, you got it all, thansk
1830. # [16:19] <kats> err thanks
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1835. # [16:22] <RyanVM> Ms2ger: n00b question - the example you gave in the style guide thread - the compiler should optimize that extra work out, right?
1836. # [16:22] <Ms2ger> The extra local?
1837. # [16:22] <Ms2ger> Probably
1838. # [16:22] <RyanVM> yeah
1839. # [16:22] <Ms2ger> Let's say that code where that matters is excused
1840. # [16:22] <Ms2ger> And probably shouldn't be nsresults
1841. # [16:23] <RyanVM> Ms2ger: I would hope that a compiler could see that it's only used in the one spot and be smart about it
1842. # [16:23] <Ms2ger> Well, typically the rv would be reused
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1865. # [16:40] <jdfm> hey all
1866. # [16:40] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/f0dc92f252c9 - Nicolas Silva - Bug 948470 - Correctly set the format of DataSourceSurfaceD2DDrawTarget. r=Bas
1867. # [16:40] <jdfm> can anyone tell me why DocumentType implements the ChildNode interface?
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1874. # [16:45] <jgraham> jdfm: Because it's a Node in DOM?
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1876. # [16:46] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/7d5f0e7885e9 - Hannes Verschore - Bug 939614: IonMonkey: Revert hoisting of setting ION_COMPILING_SCRIPT. We can only set this when background compiling, r=jandem
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1881. # [16:49] <jdfm> jgraham: I was reading through the documentation for ChildNode and it seemed to me that the first sentence didn't really make sense
1882. # [16:49] <jdfm> here's the original: The ChildNode interface allows to traverse from a {{domxref("Node")}} to its sibling {{domxref("Node")}}. It is specific operations done on children of a common parent.
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1884. # [16:50] <jdfm> here's what I currently have: The ChildNode interface contains methods that are particular to {{domxref("Node")}} objects that can have a parent.
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1908. # [17:04] <jdfm> (relative to my questions about DocumentType nodes, chalk that up to me not knowing enough about DocumentType nodes, sorry)
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1913. # [17:07] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/dd19bec07e82 - Henri Sivonen - Bug 947507 - [Australis] Limit the charset detector pref to values available from the UI. r=dao,emk.
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1915. # [17:07] <hsivonen> to push a Holly version of an [Australis] patch, I just put [Holly] to the commit message and push directly to holly, right?
1916. # [17:07] <hsivonen> is holly like inbound as far as starring oranges goes?
1917. # [17:08] <hsivonen> looks like whoever pushed previously hasn't starred oranges
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1922. # [17:10] <NeilAway> NS_Alloc is infallible?
1923. # [17:10] * NeilAway can never remember
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1925. # [17:11] <heftig> NeilAway: it is
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1928. # [17:13] <NeilAway> heftig: ok, I always thought it was fallible... maybe it got changed
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1933. # [17:14] <heftig> NeilAway: the docs were updated to say it's infallible in april
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1936. # [17:15] <NeilAway> heftig: ooh!
1937. # [17:17] <heftig> as in, april in the past, not next april
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1964. # [17:27] <@ted> mstange: ping
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1967. # [17:28] <mstange> ted: pong
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1969. # [17:28] <mstange> ted: thanks for the CC
1970. # [17:28] <@ted> mstange: yeah, just wanted to explicitly call that out
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1972. # [17:28] <@ted> i dug into my email archives, michael miller was the guy with the plan to scrape symbols out of mac updates
1973. # [17:28] <@ted> i think all our communication about that happened on irc tho
1974. # [17:29] <mstange> too bad... let's hope he answers on bugzilla :)
1975. # [17:30] <mstange> I haven't spent any more time on this since I talked to you about it, but I still have the script that I can push to the Talos servers to extract symbols from them
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1977. # [17:30] <mstange> but that only gets us symbols for one minor OS X version per major version
1978. # [17:30] <RealRaven> firebot: seen davidwboswell
1979. # [17:30] <firebot> davidwboswell was last seen 2 days, 21 hours, 47 minutes and 7 seconds ago, saying 'hey CaseyBecking, just pinging to see if you can make webdev stewards call' in #webdev.
1980. # [17:31] <nemo> huh. nightly isn't letting me close a tab Oo
1981. # [17:31] <nemo> ah. finally closed
1982. # [17:31] <nemo> took about 30 seconds
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1984. # [17:32] <mstange> nemo: I've seen that sometimes when the page spun a nested event loop for sync XHR
1985. # [17:32] <mstange> nemo: I don't know if there's a bug about it
1986. # [17:32] <nemo> hm
1987. # [17:32] <nemo> I'm wondering if it is related to all this shumway spam
1988. # [17:33] <nemo> that is. shumway busy trying to compile something
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1990. # [17:33] <nemo> mstange: here's the page that is acting up for me
1991. # [17:33] <nemo> http://www.newstatesman.com/culture/2013/08/i-hate-strong-female-characters
1992. # [17:33] <nemo> mstange: and obviously, shumway enabled
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1994. # [17:33] <nemo> I just clicked X on it back when I said "hm"
1995. # [17:33] <nemo> and it still hasn't closed
1996. # [17:33] <nemo> clicked it again
1997. # [17:33] * nemo drops by the shumway folks
1998. # [17:34] <mstange> nemo: sounds interesting
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2000. # [17:35] <nemo> Linux nightly, build from 16th. looks like I'm due for a reboot
2001. # [17:35] * nemo does so
2002. # [17:35] <nemo> (of firefox)
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2004. # [17:35] <nemo> Redirection loop trying to set HTTPS on: http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_22680619/women-behaving-badly-are-tv-viewers-ready-more
2005. # [17:35] <nemo> (falling back to HTTP)
2006. # [17:35] <nemo> also had that in console
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2008. # [17:35] <nemo> oh. that's a different site
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2011. # [17:35] <nemo> (I was hunting for this particular article in newstatesman based on a discussion with a friend about movies)
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2013. # [17:36] <nemo> specifically, she was relieved to finally have some disney princesses in Frozen who *weren't* kickass tomboys who were improbably good at kungfu
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2015. # [17:38] <mkaply> Is there some simple way to tell Firefox "Check for updates as if you're update timer pinged"
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2017. # [17:38] <nemo> mkaply: "your" :-p
2018. # [17:38] <nemo> oh wait
2019. # [17:38] <nemo> hm
2020. # [17:38] <mkaply> nemo: I was about to say that :)
2021. # [17:38] <nemo> your sentences reads both ways
2022. # [17:38] <nemo> parse error
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2024. # [17:38] <nemo> as if you are update timer pinged
2025. # [17:38] <nemo> legit
2026. # [17:39] <nemo> if confusing
2027. # [17:39] <mkaply> yep
2028. # [17:39] <nemo> damn natural languages.
2029. # [17:39] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/050d3c674e82 - Ehsan Akhgari - Bug 940708 - Code changes required to build webrtc in unified mode; r=jesup
2030. # [17:39] <nemo> all questions in #developers shall be expressed in lojban
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2036. # [17:43] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/ec79d33b9b0b - Tom Schuster - Bug 949197 - Make Array#slice on COW arrays work again. r=bz f=bholley
2037. # [17:43] <nemo> mkaply: reproduced in latest nightly, clean profile (still linux)
2038. # [17:44] <nemo> oups
2039. # [17:44] <nemo> I mean mstange ^^
2040. # [17:44] <nemo> there is apparently a ton of flash on that page according to shumway
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2042. # [17:44] <nemo> mstange: didn't happen the first time. 2nd time I waited a few seconds more and scrolled down the page
2043. # [17:44] <nemo> at that point the tab was no longer closeable
2044. # [17:45] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/cffe18264682 - Martin Thomson - Bug 946348 - Refactoring fingerprint handling. r=abr
2045. # [17:45] <mstange> nemo: great, don't hesitate to file the bug ;)
2046. # [17:45] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/40bb8646e3f8 - Rick Eyre - Bug 950049 - Rename VTTCue::TextTrackCueAlign to AlignSetting. r=rillian
2047. # [17:45] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/27cf4fe3975b - Martin Thomson - Bug 950957 - Use ${COMP_WORDS[0]} for completion in mach. r=gps
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2049. # [17:45] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/e0b09e643806 - Isura Edirisinghe - Bug 676907 - Refactor (replace) calls to Gestalt because it is deprecated in OS X 10.8 and will not work in after 10.9. r=BenWa
2050. # [17:45] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/08009e8417e9 - Nils Ohlmeier [:drno] - Bug 951314 - Only set WebRTC debug variables if not present. r=ted
2051. # [17:46] <nemo> mstange: ugh. was hoping for at least confirmation
2052. # [17:46] <mstange> mkaply: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/timer-fire/
2053. # [17:46] <nemo> or a vague idea of what is happening
2054. # [17:46] <mstange> mkaply: sounds like you knew about that already ;)
2055. # [17:46] <nemo> mstange: bugs that are just "tab doesn't close" can often languish without a clear person to blame
2056. # [17:46] <mkaply> Odd. The downloader is only downloading one chunk every time the app opens (XULRunner). Then I close. Then I open, it downloads one more chunk
2057. # [17:46] <mstange> nemo: sure, one sec, I don't have shumway enabled at the moment
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2059. # [17:46] <nemo> mstange: I don't think shumway is at fault
2060. # [17:46] <mkaply> How slow is the background downloader?
2061. # [17:47] <nemo> mkaply: since I did a clean profile
2062. # [17:47] <nemo> mkaply: according to yury in #shumway it is disabled by default
2063. # [17:47] <nemo> I think the shumway spam is just symptomatic of a craptastic web page
2064. # [17:47] <mstange> nemo: oh, right, missed that
2065. # [17:47] <mstange> nemo: let me try again
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2073. # [17:51] <mkaply> To answer my own question, default background download interval is 600 seconds
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2076. # [17:52] <mkaply> And default chunks are 300K
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2078. # [17:52] <mstange> nemo: I can't reproduce it :(
2079. # [17:52] <mstange> nemo: do you wait for the page to finish loading, or do you close it during the load?
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2082. # [17:53] <nemo> mstange: ummm. not sure.
2083. # [17:53] <nemo> mstange: I just wait about 2 or 3 seconds and scroll down
2084. # [17:53] <mstange> nemo: I've found https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=823030
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2086. # [17:54] <nemo> hm
2087. # [17:54] <nemo> year old
2088. # [17:54] <nemo> no activity
2089. # [17:54] <nemo> mstange: page load animation stopped
2090. # [17:54] <nemo> mstange: I then clicked close
2091. # [17:54] <nemo> and. yeah. close ignored
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2094. # [17:55] <nemo> Oo ctrl-shift-j was ignored
2095. # [17:55] <nemo> I had to switch to a new tab to open it
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2097. # [17:55] <nemo> there is a truly insane amount of stuff scrolling by in console
2098. # [17:55] <nemo> could be the XHR thing I guess
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2101. # [17:56] <nemo> ok, yeah. takes about a minute to close (just closed now)
2102. # [17:56] * nemo tries on OSX and Windows
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2105. # [17:57] <nemo> heh. page is taking a ridiculously long time to even load on my OSX box
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2107. # [17:58] <nemo> mstange: reproduced on OSX
2108. # [17:58] <nemo> mstange: I did have to wait for the page to load
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2110. # [17:59] <nemo> Latest nightly
2111. # [17:59] <mstange> nemo: can you get a profile with the profiler?
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2113. # [17:59] <mstange> nemo: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Performance/Reporting_a_Performance_Problem
2114. # [17:59] <nemo> mstange: I doubt very much that will help anything
2115. # [17:59] <nemo> mstange: there's no noticeable CPU usage
2116. # [17:59] <nemo> but...
2117. # [17:59] <mstange> nemo: the call stack may still be relevant
2118. # [17:59] <nemo> maaaybe
2119. # [18:00] <mstange> nemo: if there's a nested event loop, you'll be able to see that in the profile
2120. # [18:00] <nemo> ok. the OSX tab finally closed
2121. # [18:00] <nemo> so weird that you can't reproduce this :(
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2123. # [18:00] <mstange> yeah
2124. # [18:00] <mstange> I've tried many times now
2125. # [18:00] <nemo> mstange: did you wait for it to load?
2126. # [18:00] <nemo> hm
2127. # [18:00] <mstange> yes, and I scrolled down and everything
2128. # [18:00] <nemo> if it is a network delay thing. could be our crappy network
2129. # [18:00] <mstange> yes
2130. # [18:00] <mstange> my network is relatively fast
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2132. # [18:01] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/3d0de9cfddcb - Ryan VanderMeulen - Backed out changeset 08009e8417e9 (bug 951314) for Windows bustage.
2133. # [18:02] <nemo> close works instantly on the tab in android
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2135. # [18:02] <nemo> but. that's just a completely different frontend
2136. # [18:02] <nemo> so probably not relevent
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2138. # [18:03] <nemo> mstange: eh. screwit. I'm gonna file it and mention the bug you mentioned and your inability to reproduce
2139. # [18:03] <nemo> reproduced in Stable btw
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2141. # [18:03] <mstange> nemo: thank you!
2142. # [18:03] <mstange> nemo: did you try to get a profile?
2143. # [18:04] <nemo> nope :-p
2144. # [18:04] <nemo> dislike oh so very much the profiling tool
2145. # [18:04] * nemo sighs and installs it in this new profile
2146. # [18:04] <nemo> I find it terribly counterintuitive to use
2147. # [18:04] <nemo> its most irritating peculiarity that I keep forgetting about
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2149. # [18:04] <nemo> is that I'll want to record a snippet of something, then stop recording
2150. # [18:05] <nemo> but... you have to open the profile while still recording
2151. # [18:05] <nemo> if you stop, it erases it
2152. # [18:05] <nemo> I also dislike very much the export/import process
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2154. # [18:05] <BenWa> nemo: that's because your using it wrong :P
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2157. # [18:05] <BenWa> It not meant to be stopped
2158. # [18:05] <nemo> BenWa: I want a profile of a particular sequence of stuff
2159. # [18:05] <BenWa> It meant to monitor your usage so that you can dump it when something interesting happens
2160. # [18:05] <mstange> nemo: I agree some things are unintuitive
2161. # [18:05] <nemo> ...
2162. # [18:05] <nemo> BenWa: dude.
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2165. # [18:06] <nemo> BenWa: start recording at beginning of problematic stuff. stop recording when you've had enough, then move onto UI and such so that it doesn't add noise
2166. # [18:06] <mstange> BenWa: Maybe we should rename the Stop button Cancel or something
2167. # [18:06] <nemo> I think it is a pretty sensible way to do it
2168. # [18:06] <nemo> BenWa: is how I profile everything else in other apps
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2170. # [18:06] <mstange> nemo: what do you mean with "move onto UI and such"?
2171. # [18:06] <nemo> mstange: I mean, that when I'm profiling an app
2172. # [18:06] <BenWa> mstange: Yea well look into changing some of that
2173. # [18:06] <nemo> usually only a subset of the app's actions are a problem
2174. # [18:06] <nemo> mstange: so. I want to initiate profiling as close as possible to the problem area
2175. # [18:07] <nemo> so that the profile is not full of noise from doing non-problematic stuff
2176. # [18:07] <nemo> that's why I start, stop, then look at the analysis
2177. # [18:07] <BenWa> nemo: You can zoom in to what you need
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2180. # [18:07] <nemo> BenWa: meh. if I knew enough about how it worked maybe. but if it worked in the way other tools worked, I could send someone this reduced subset in a reasonable fashion
2181. # [18:07] <mstange> nemo: ok, so basically you want to eliminate unnecessary stuff before it's recorded instead of afterwards
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2184. # [18:07] <nemo> mstange: yes!
2185. # [18:08] <nemo> mstange: and then send that to you
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2188. # [18:08] <mstange> I can see the merit of that
2189. # [18:08] <nemo> so. record, stop recording, dump, send to mstange
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2191. # [18:08] <nemo> in this case would initiate record just before hitting submit on the url
2192. # [18:08] <nemo> and stop recording once the tab closed, or maybe 10 seconds after the failure of the tab to close
2193. # [18:08] <mstange> nemo: for a while we had the feature "share view" where you could select the part of the profile that was interesting, and then it would only upload that part
2194. # [18:08] <nemo> still requires me to know what that part is :D
2195. # [18:09] <nemo> I don't care enough about this whole process to want to know :-p
2196. # [18:09] <nemo> aaanyway
2197. # [18:09] <nemo> adding the annoying tool hang on ;)
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2210. # [18:13] <mkaply> Woohoo! XULRunner update succeeded
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2214. # [18:14] <nemo> mstange: http://people.mozilla.org/~bgirard/cleopatra/#report=5644bceca7b61015667bb9c3af2587910d4ede86
2215. # [18:16] <nemo> mstange: say. do you have a suggestion for where this might go? core/xhr? firefox/tabbed browser?
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2217. # [18:18] <mstange> nemo: let's start in the first one
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2220. # [18:18] <mstange> nemo: both sounds good, but I think you need to know where the bug is before being able to know which component it belongs in...
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2224. # [18:19] <nemo> mhm
2225. # [18:19] <mstange> nemo: the profile is very useful. it definitely is a sync XHR, and the profile showed me the part of the JS that is responsible for it
2226. # [18:20] <nemo> oooh
2227. # [18:20] <nemo> neat
2228. # [18:20] <nemo> was this something I could have figured out myself?
2229. # [18:20] <nemo> mstange: so. no need to file a new bug then. it is that bug from last year
2230. # [18:20] <nemo> I mean. found myself in the profile
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2233. # [18:21] * nemo is hunting through all the RunScript for "sync"
2234. # [18:21] <mstange> nemo: let's file a new one, at the moment I don't see any indications that this has to do with CORS
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2236. # [18:21] <mstange> nemo: it's obfuscated: f.open("GET",b,!1)
2237. # [18:22] <mstange> the third argument is "boolean async", and !1 == false
2238. # [18:22] <grobinson> Anybody have a few cycles to take a look at https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=951895 ?
2239. # [18:22] <nemo> please let it be the scorecardresearch crap
2240. # [18:22] <nemo> they were crashing my browser ages ago
2241. # [18:22] <nemo> over and over and over
2242. # [18:22] <nemo> well. more like hanging with 100% CPU usage
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2244. # [18:22] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/57eb08af0794 - Ehsan Akhgari - Bug 950856 - Fail the build if you attempt to use NS_StackWalk on Windows where it won't work; r=froydnj,BenWa
2245. # [18:22] <nemo> I'd profiled it and posted this info, but, nothing came of it
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2247. # [18:23] <nemo> s/ages ago/months ago/
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2252. # [18:24] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/bfa229337eb2 - Nicolas B. Pierron - Bug 920322 - Support encoding/decoding singletons. r=luke
2253. # [18:24] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/90f44c93d249 - Nicolas B. Pierron - Bug 920322 - Provide better XDR interface for coding constants. r=luke
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2255. # [18:25] <nemo> eh. I don't see it. n/m
2256. # [18:25] <nemo> on to bug
2257. # [18:25] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/78dbc3afea91 - Nicolas B. Pierron - Bug 920322 - Save the displayAtom instead of only saving the qualified name. r=bhackett
2258. # [18:25] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/7294b1ba5056 - Nicolas B. Pierron - Bug 920322 - Enable XDR of CompileAndGo scripts. r=luke
2259. # [18:25] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/231c4f316322 - Nicolas B. Pierron - Bug 920322 - Add treatAsRunOnce to XDRScript. r=bhackett
2260. # [18:25] <mstange> nemo: sorry, I wasn't clear
2261. # [18:25] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/95efd20ead47 - Nicolas B. Pierron - Bug 946843 - XDR the column of JSScript. r=luke
2262. # [18:25] <mstange> nemo: the javascript function q() is responsible, and if you right-click on that and choose View JS Source, you'll find the part of the code that I quoted
2263. # [18:26] <nemo> ahhh
2264. # [18:26] <mstange> nemo: the fact that it's a nested event loop is not that obvious because this profile only shows simplified call stacks, but usually you don't have Timer::Fire under content JS, for example
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2266. # [18:26] <mstange> nemo: if you get the profile on OS X instead, you should see more complete callstacks
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2268. # [18:26] <nemo> mstange: hm. I wonder if that's why scrolling seemed important
2269. # [18:26] <Waldo> RyanVM: gentleman and a scholar as always
2270. # [18:26] <nemo> mstange: onscroll.com fires ads on load
2271. # [18:27] <mstange> nemo: probably!
2272. # [18:27] <nemo> ah. can do OSX, sure
2273. # [18:27] <nemo> hmph. OSX has *better* callstacks?
2274. # [18:27] * nemo 's FOSS bias is showing
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2277. # [18:29] <mstange> nemo: for some reason we have frame pointers and full symbols in our OS X binaries, but not in our linux binaries. I don't know why
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2292. # [18:36] <nemo> mstange: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=952169
2293. # [18:36] <nemo> thanks for taking an interest
2294. # [18:36] <nemo> I quoted you extensively
2295. # [18:36] <nemo> right. on to creating a clean profile in OSX
2296. # [18:37] <nemo> whiich involves AFAIK digging up the path to the binary to pass the commandline params
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2298. # [18:37] <nemo> don't think there's any nicer way to do it (like a builtin link in OS gui to firefox -P)
2299. # [18:37] <nemo> (could do that under linux w/ a 2nd .desktop file :) )
2300. # [18:38] <RyanVM> ehsan: ping
2301. # [18:39] <mstange> nemo: yes, I always create profiles on the commandline.
2302. # [18:39] <mstange> nemo: you can get the app path into Terminal quickly by dragging the application from Finder into the Terminal window
2303. # [18:39] <RyanVM> ehsan: unping
2304. # [18:39] <mstange> nemo: except that that won't get you the Contents/MacOS/firefox part
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2306. # [18:39] <nemo> grr. there's this annoying thing where I launch an app (in this case firefox) from terminal, and then trying to access menu for it becomes difficult
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2308. # [18:40] <nemo> the app at top of screen is finder
2309. # [18:40] <mstange> nemo: Cmd+Tab into Firefox first
2310. # [18:40] <nemo> I try clicking off the app, then on the firefox window again which helped in past, no love
2311. # [18:40] <mstange> nemo: or pass -foreground on the command line the next time
2312. # [18:40] <mstange> nemo: huh
2313. # [18:40] <mstange> nemo: that's strange
2314. # [18:40] <nemo> mstange: ok. cmd+tab worked
2315. # [18:40] <nemo> but that's annoying
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2322. # [18:42] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/13dc0f84907e - Ryan VanderMeulen - Backed out changeset cffe18264682 (bug 946348) for Windows bustage.
2323. # [18:42] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/06ebd514613b - Nils Ohlmeier [:drno] - Bug 951314 - Only set WebRTC debug variables if not present. r=ted
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2378. # [18:56] <mjrosenb> what are the the dates for christmas time off?
2379. # [18:57] <mjrosenb> I'm looking at the pto app, and dec 19. through jan 03 is being marked as 96 hours, which would be fine, except i'm pretty sure there are 3 days off in that range.
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2390. # [19:00] <jimb> Is there a way to indicate that an IDL interface can't be implemented by JS, but can be used by JS?
2391. # [19:00] <jimb> Like, half-scriptable
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2403. # [19:04] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/3eb853546cff - Brian Hackett - Bug 938124 - Add thread safety class instances to get IonBuilder passing the thread safety dynamic analysis, r=jandem.
2404. # [19:04] <Waldo> mjrosenb: December 23 through January 1, so [December 19, January 3] should be 4 * 8 === 32 hours, unless I'm being dumb
2405. # [19:05] <Waldo> which is always a possibility
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2407. # [19:06] <nemo> mstange: http://people.mozilla.org/~bgirard/cleopatra/#report=87b62e2b10b3b7578625f2f581ed5bd4484c6fef
2408. # [19:06] <Waldo> anyone want to give me the executive overview of what b2gblah corresponds to which blocking-b2gN.M in bmo, and why exactly the systems aren't the same, again?
2409. # [19:07] <mstange> nemo: uh oh...
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2411. # [19:07] <mstange> nemo: but thanks
2412. # [19:07] <nemo> huh?
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2414. # [19:07] <nemo> did I screw up recording it again? :(
2415. # [19:07] <nemo> it seems a bit light on details
2416. # [19:08] <mstange> nemo: you didn't, we did
2417. # [19:08] <mstange> BenWa: do you remember what we do when the user doesn't have atos installed?
2418. # [19:08] <nemo> mstange: 'k. was wondering if it was related to my having stopped profiling
2419. # [19:09] <nemo> I did start/stop a couple of times since the first time I closed the tab the sync problem did not appear
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2421. # [19:10] <mstange> nemo: that shouldn't be a problem
2422. # [19:10] <mstange> nemo: the problem in your profile is that the addon failed to symbolicate it
2423. # [19:11] <mstange> nemo: most of the places where you see a hex address should be replaced with something readable
2424. # [19:11] <mstange> nemo: and IIRC we use atos to do the symbolication, which is a command line tool that isn't installed by default
2425. # [19:11] <mstange> nemo: it gets installed with XCode, I think, but I won't make you do that now
2426. # [19:12] <nemo> 'k. I was just surprised there was so little in the tree under q()
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2428. # [19:12] <nemo> as compared to the first profile
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2431. # [19:12] <mstange> nemo: huh
2432. # [19:13] <mstange> nemo: 100% of the profile is under q() for me
2433. # [19:13] <nemo> m'k...
2434. # [19:13] <nemo> I just opened the cleopatra link on another computer
2435. # [19:13] <nemo> and it still seemed oddly sparse
2436. # [19:13] <nemo> but if you're happy, all good
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2440. # [19:14] <mstange> nemo: ooh, I know the problem
2441. # [19:14] * joduinn is now known as joduinn-mtg
2442. # [19:14] <mstange> nemo: you do have atos
2443. # [19:14] <mstange> nemo: but you used a release build, not Nightly or Aurora, right?
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2445. # [19:14] <nemo> mstange: no. I started this in nightly
2446. # [19:14] <nemo> let me just try that damn profiling tool again
2447. # [19:14] <mstange> nemo: then I don't know what's wrong
2448. # [19:14] <nemo> and not be quite so trigger happy on "stop profiling"
2449. # [19:14] <nemo> despite my love of getting a precise snapshot of the sequence
2450. # [19:15] <mstange> nemo: is there a background update running and does it want you to restart?
2451. # [19:15] <mstange> ah, I think I got it now
2452. # [19:15] <nemo> ohhhh
2453. # [19:15] <nemo> omg
2454. # [19:15] <nemo> you're right
2455. # [19:15] <nemo> yeesh. this nightly is aaaaancient
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2459. # [19:15] <nemo> And I think I know why
2460. # [19:15] <nemo> stupid fail network here and their stupid !@#$ update blocking
2461. # [19:15] <mstange> if that doesn't fix it, there's one other hypothesis I have
2462. # [19:15] <nemo> took me a while to fix that
2463. # [19:16] <nemo> for one thing. they weren't blocking the ping url, they were blocking the download url from the response
2464. # [19:16] <mstange> you might not have the "strip" command line tool, through which we run the Nightly binary
2465. # [19:16] <nemo> so. I had to get that url to submit to them for unblock
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2467. # [19:16] <nemo> firefox did not make this easy to solve, but in all fairness, isn't exactly a typical situation
2468. # [19:16] * nemo hates websense
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2471. # [19:17] <nemo> if only the download url was https too, this wouldn'tve happened
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2473. # [19:17] <nemo> luckily they aren't MITMing https yet
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2477. # [19:18] <nemo> ok. up to date. restarting
2478. # [19:19] <nemo> mstange: http://people.mozilla.org/~bgirard/cleopatra/#report=b5475848a919b392c9b5e3b35b6c1879b9a147a6
2479. # [19:19] <nemo> all better
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2482. # [19:20] <mstange> nemo: still no symbols for firefox functions, so it does look like you're missing "strip"
2483. # [19:21] <nemo> yeah
2484. # [19:21] <nemo> oh well
2485. # [19:21] <mstange> nemo: it's good to know that this can happen, we should change the addon code to detect that
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2487. # [19:21] <mstange> nemo: but thanks for going through this with me
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2489. # [19:21] <nemo> alrighty. welp. where do I get this from?
2490. # [19:22] <nemo> kinda suprised stripping would help a trace.
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2495. # [19:23] <jimb> Ah, [builtinclass]
2496. # [19:23] <jimb> excellent, excellent
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2502. # [19:24] <mstange> nemo: probably by installing XCode
2503. # [19:25] <mstange> nemo: we use it to strip some stuff but not the important stuff in order to speed up the atos invocations
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2510. # [19:27] <felipe> was there a change to text rendering in OSX this week?
2511. # [19:28] <nemo> mstange: I have xcode on this machine
2512. # [19:28] <@gavin> felipe: I noticed a difference
2513. # [19:28] <@gavin> kind of looked like a different font
2514. # [19:28] <nemo> mstange: btw, this shows up on the commandline
2515. # [19:28] <nemo> Warning: /usr/bin/atos is moving and will be removed from a future OS X release.
2516. # [19:28] <nemo> It is now available in the Xcode developer tools to be invoked via: `xcrun atos`
2517. # [19:28] <nemo> To silence this warning, pass the '-d' command-line flag to this tool.
2518. # [19:28] <felipe> yeah, the text everywhere looks lighter
2519. # [19:28] <nemo> also... got symbolicator for /System/Library/Frameworks/OpenGL.framework/Versions/A/Libraries/libGLProgrammability.dylib, base address 0
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2541. # [19:40] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/3a015ec9a7be - Gregory Szorc - Bug 949875 - Delay import some WebIDL modules; r=glandium
2542. # [19:40] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/0f982fab4b85 - Gregory Szorc - Bug 951736 - Adjust sys.path while native commands are executed; r=ted
2543. # [19:41] <jesup> smaug: ping (unlikely)
2544. # [19:41] <@smaug> jesup: pong
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2547. # [19:41] <@smaug> likely
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2549. # [19:41] <jesup> Man I'm lucky :-)
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2555. # [19:44] <jesup> Got a problem with b2g mochitests I've been working with schien and ahal on (and vicamo). See https://pastebin.mozilla.org/3810490 for the errors we get if we enable the emulator data connection (ril.data.enabled). After the first test runs, when SimpleTest.finish() executes and tries to run the second, we get those errors
2556. # [19:44] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/1a6e1c27d9bf - Terrence Cole - Bug 942547 - Report all unhandlable OOMs for the fuzzers; r=jonco
2557. # [19:44] <@smaug> tn: ping
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2562. # [19:45] <jesup> smaug: ahal and I have been discussing in #b2g; schien and I were talking a bunch last night until 5am EST in #media while we bisected it down to the ril.data.enabled setting
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2564. # [19:47] <jesup> smaug: so the errors we get if we enable the ril data are from a block in nsDocShell::CheckLoadingPermissions() marked with "// We're a frame. Check that the caller has write permission to the parent before allowing it to load anything into this docshell." Could enabling data be mucking with the origins (dns change?)
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2567. # [19:47] * @smaug wonders which version of the tree this is about
2568. # [19:47] <@smaug> the line numbers aren't for m-i
2569. # [19:47] <jesup> m-c right now
2570. # [19:48] <jesup> Perhaps a few days old inbound actually
2571. # [19:48] <jesup> I'll get the rev
2572. # [19:48] <@smaug> k
2573. # [19:48] <@smaug> but ok, looking at the docshell
2574. # [19:48] <jesup> smaug: base is rev d9f6b387a49a\
2575. # [19:48] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/af60314cfda2 - Nicolas Silva - Bug 951858 - Support DrawTarget::CopySurface with A8 D2D textures. r=Bas
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2579. # [19:49] <@smaug> jesup: is there a stack trace for this?
2580. # [19:50] <jesup> smaug: no
2581. # [19:50] <@smaug> I wonder why we don't have subject principal
2582. # [19:50] <@smaug> no js running on the stack or something
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2586. # [19:51] <jesup> And it works if we just uncomment the ril.data.enabled (I was using an empty test_datachannel_basicAudio.html with runTest() just having SimpleTest.finish() to avoid any confusion about the test itself, just looking at the chaining)
2587. # [19:52] <jesup> s/uncomment/comment/ oops
2588. # [19:52] <jesup> "comment out" to be more clear
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2590. # [19:52] <@smaug> hard to say anything based on this information
2591. # [19:53] <@smaug> at least some stack traces would be needed
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2593. # [19:53] <jesup> Where do you want them taken?
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2595. # [19:54] <jesup> This is bug 950317 BTW
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2597. # [19:54] <@smaug> well, I think at least for that permission case
2598. # [19:55] <jesup> I'll try, never tried to debug against the emulator, let alone in a mochitest :-)
2599. # [19:56] * jesup extra points for complexity
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2604. # [19:56] <jhopkins|buildduty> smacleod: i'm retriggering your 'windows xp opt' try build to be sure it wasn't a machine-specific failure. w64-ix-slave30 was just reimaged and returned to the pool today
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2606. # [19:57] <smacleod> jhopkins|buildduty: Alright, thanks.
2607. # [19:57] <smacleod> jhopkins|buildduty: I don't think my patch would cause that in any way, so I'm thinking it's probably the machine :P
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2609. # [19:58] <@smaug> jesup: mrbkap might know this stuff better
2610. # [19:58] <jhopkins|buildduty> smacleod: ok, good to know. i'll probably have to queue that one for diagnostics
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2612. # [19:58] <jesup> mrbkap: ping
2613. # [19:58] <jesup> smaug: thanks.
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2617. # [20:01] <@bsmedberg> huh, nsBaseChannel::SetContentCharset with a string size of 3.8MB...
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2622. # [20:02] <bholley> froydnj: ping
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2624. # [20:02] <bholley> or ted
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2653. # [20:12] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/57225ef2a7b7 - Mike Hommey - Bug 944551 - Handle unicode in mozbuild.util.shell_quote. r=gps
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2665. # [20:20] <@bsmedberg> what does "limit output to pattern" do in MXR?
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2670. # [20:21] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> mccr8: retriggering on inbound still seems to point to you
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2689. # [20:27] <@ted> bholley: pong
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2693. # [20:28] <bholley> ted: I was just going to ask you about bug 952211, but then I remembered that I can just work around it locally with --interactive
2694. # [20:28] <bholley> ted: also, though - I'm getting semi-garbage dumps with buildsymbols and MINIDUMP_STACKWALK on osx when xpcshell-test crashes
2695. # [20:29] <bholley> ted: known bug, or should I file?
2696. # [20:29] <@ted> bholley: not that i've heard of
2697. # [20:29] <@ted> file it and we can sort it out
2698. # [20:29] <bholley> ted: great, thanks
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2700. # [20:29] <@ted> bholley: hm, the fix for lldb in mochitest didn't fix xpcshell tests?
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2703. # [20:29] <@ted> i thought they used the same automationutils code
2704. # [20:30] <bholley> ted: well, there was some mochitest-specific stuff in that patch
2705. # [20:30] <bholley> ted: moreover, I think the meat of what actually needs to be escaped is different
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2707. # [20:31] <bholley> ted: commented in the bug
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2709. # [20:32] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/2a74116d9dbe - Alexander Surkov - Bug 880159, part3 - clean up CharAt stuff, r=tbsaunde
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2713. # [20:34] <@ted> bholley: okay
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2736. # [20:51] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/23eade41cfcc - Mike Connor - bug 950201 - add search suggestions to Bing search plugin, r=margaret
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2744. # [20:55] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/8e64c79bb855 - Mike Connor - bug 950204 - Bing search suggestions on desktop do not include locale, r=gavin
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2749. # [20:59] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/b41d9ac46315 - Brian Hackett - Bug 950513 - Remove JS_WORKER_THREADS typedef, r=luke.
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2753. # [21:02] <mrbkap> jesup: pong
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2756. # [21:04] <firebot> Check-in:
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2759. # [21:04] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/2d2e77e82179 - Jeff Walden - Inherit RangedPtr's operator= in all of SpiderMonkey's *CharsZ classes, so that assignment of the correct raw pointer to each will compile. No bug, r=terrence over IRC
2760. # [21:04] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/3c86dfbca278 - masaya iseki - Bug 507998 - Add line/column information to the errors reported by JSON.parse, pointing out exactly where in the input string the first bad character was found. r=njn,
2761. # [21:04] <firebot> r=Waldo, rs=jorendorff on the delta (particularly the Unicode escape bits) from the originally-posted patch
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2770. # [21:08] <tn> smaug, pong
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2773. # [21:09] <@smaug> tn: more suggestions what to do with that test?
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2777. # [21:10] <tn> smaug: if you want to debug more maybe reinstate the non-maximized mode on winxp (and expect it to fail the test) just to see if that affects things?
2778. # [21:10] <tn> smaug: otherwise i'm fine with just making the settimeout thing winxp only
2779. # [21:10] <@smaug> tn: I don't want to debug it more :)
2780. # [21:10] <@smaug> tn: I don't understand that winxp only
2781. # [21:11] <@smaug> the test has failed on all the win* platforms
2782. # [21:11] <jesup> mrbkap: hi - got a question with running mochitests on b2g emulators where enabling the "3g" data connection causes the mochitests to fail due to principal
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2784. # [21:11] <tn> smaug: oh, it does fail on all windows?
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2786. # [21:12] <@smaug> yes, randomly
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2788. # [21:12] <mrbkap> jesup: principal...?
2789. # [21:12] <@smaug> the bug was filed originally for win7
2790. # [21:13] <jesup> mrbkap: Got a problem with b2g mochitests I've been working with schien and ahal on (and vicamo). See https://pastebin.mozilla.org/3810490 for the errors we get if we enable the emulator data connection (ril.data.enabled). After the first test runs, when SimpleTest.finish() executes and tries to run the second, we get those errors
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2792. # [21:13] <jesup> And it works if we just comment the ril.data.enabled (I was using an empty test_datachannel_basicAudio.html with runTest() just having SimpleTest.finish() to avoid any confusion about the test itself, just looking at the chaining)
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2796. # [21:17] <mrbkap> jesup: how does the simulator run the mochitests?
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2798. # [21:18] <tn> smaug: hmm, okay, looking at the test again
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2801. # [21:20] <jesup> mrbkap: ./mach mochitest-remote dom/media/tests/mochitest 2>&1 | ts | tee /tmp/z -- note if you have a py.xml error, you need to do "source ../inbound_merge/obj-gonk/_virtualenv/bin/activate; pip install py" first
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2803. # [21:20] <jesup> and it only works from bash, not tcsh :-(
2804. # [21:20] <mrbkap> jesup: I don't have a simulator handy here :(
2805. # [21:21] <mrbkap> jesup: I more meant "How does the mochitest get started in the child."
2806. # [21:21] <jesup> testing/mozbase/mozrunner/mozrunner/remote.py and testing/marionette/client/marionette/emulator.py set it up
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2808. # [21:21] <mrbkap> jesup: Could you break on the line that fails?
2809. # [21:21] <jesup> it restarts the b2g process/homescreen
2810. # [21:22] <jesup> mrbkap: I'm goign to try; smaug suggested getting stacks
2811. # [21:22] <mrbkap> jesup: Yeah, that's what I was going to ask for.
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2813. # [21:23] <jesup> I'll try to do that in a bit. Gotta critical call to make (personal), and then I have to do a phone screen.
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2815. # [21:23] <jesup> bug 950317 is teh bug
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2817. # [21:24] <yeukhon> anyone familiar with building b2g? i have the ff desktop build from moz-central
2818. # [21:24] <yeukhon> following this https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/Firefox_OS/Using_the_B2G_desktop_client#Create_a_mozconfig i build again
2819. # [21:24] <mrbkap> jesup: I'm in and out today... needinfo me on the bug with stacks and I'll take a look when I have a chance?
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2821. # [21:24] <yeukhon> is that all i need to do?
2822. # [21:25] <jesup> mrbkap: sure
2823. # [21:25] <jesup> thanks
2824. # [21:25] <yeukhon> or do i still need gaia if im only interested in mochtest
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2829. # [21:25] <yeukhon> basically i want to re-produce the way b2g is build on try on my laptop
2830. # [21:25] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/d46a72c9085d - Jonathan Kew - bug 950590 - part 1 - use nsRefPtr instead of manual addref/release calls for gfxFontGroup's reference to the user font set. r=roc
2831. # [21:25] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/b712295eed24 - Jonathan Kew - bug 950590 - part 2 - make SetUserFontSet support updating a gfxFontGroup's user font set on the fly, and use this in canvas rendering context. r=roc
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2841. # [21:30] <+benjamin> battle no. 4664 in the great style wars!
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2844. # [21:31] <Waldo> ?
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2848. # [21:32] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/4e75d3da1ed3 - Randall Barker - Bug 895358 - Part 2, Enable progressive tile rendering in B2G; r=BenWa,kats,Cwiiis
2849. # [21:33] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/8a47074c7af5 - Randall Barker - Bug 895358 - Part 1, Adding POSIX cross process mutex to support progressive tile rendering in B2G; r=khuey
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2851. # [21:34] <tbsaunde> Waldo: I assume its the if alignment thing
2852. # [21:34] <kats> uhh Waldo: bustage on m-i
2853. # [21:34] <+benjamin> in this volume, our heros propose a way to wrap long lines
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2855. # [21:34] <Waldo> kats: looking
2856. # [21:34] <+benjamin> but soon they must face the timeless questions
2857. # [21:34] <+benjamin> like do style guides even matter?
2858. # [21:35] <+benjamin> what does gecko put * on the variable and sm * on the type?
2859. # [21:35] <kats> lol
2860. # [21:35] <+benjamin> can't we just run clang-format and get it over with?
2861. # [21:36] <tbsaunde> benjamin: once you complete the impossible task of getting agreement sure
2862. # [21:36] <Waldo> kats: easy fix, coming shortly, looks like clang is permissive here
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2864. # [21:36] <tbsaunde> why don't we just give up on everything being exactly the same and do something useful?
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2866. # [21:37] <+benjamin> tbsaunde: yes, it turns out enforcing style guidelines is an important distributed systems problem
2867. # [21:37] * timeless looks up
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2871. # [21:38] <timeless> benjamin: presumably you mean "why" and not "what"
2872. # [21:38] <+benjamin> indeed
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2875. # [21:39] <Waldo> tbsaunde: can I be somewhat impolitic and suggest that most of us look at the code more than you do? ;-)
2876. # [21:39] <Waldo> consistency aids readability for us
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2879. # [21:41] <tbsaunde> Waldo: as far as white space is concerned that's probably true you care more than I do
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2882. # [21:42] <tbsaunde> well, have more reason to care
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2885. # [21:43] <kats> i dislike style guidelines that result in bloated patches because one name got longer or shorter
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2891. # [21:46] <Waldo> bustage should be fixt now
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2893. # [21:47] <firebot> Check-in:
2894. # [21:47] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/c0f0a2299dd0 - Jeff Walden - MSVC bustage fix (apparently it doesn't like "\u0000" in C++, while clang is somehow perfectly happy to accept it, bizarro). Followup to bug 507998, r=bustage
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2896. # [21:48] <kats> cool
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2910. # [21:57] <kats> nicklebedev: do you have try server access?
2911. # [21:58] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/e5def2cce4bc - Nicholas Hurley - Bug 950888 - Check for null DNS results before using them. r=mcmanus
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2916. # [22:03] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/efca82d20128 - Ehsan Akhgari - Bug 949704 - Turn off the useless warning about swapping after the build finishes until we have better reasons to display it; r=gps
2917. # [22:03] <gps> jesup: you should file a bug on the missing import error. we can install pypi modules from mach commands automatically
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2930. # [22:09] <tbsaunde> ehsan: ping
2931. # [22:09] <@ehsan> tbsaunde: hi
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2934. # [22:10] <tbsaunde> ehsan: is there anyway I can know if a node can have an editor without forcing it to be created?
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2936. # [22:11] <@ehsan> tbsaunde: what kind of node and what kind of editor?
2937. # [22:12] <tbsaunde> ehsan: HTMLInput so nsPlainTextEditor I guess? I'm not really when you get which impl of nsIEditor
2938. # [22:12] <bent> so for new c++ tests are we supposed to use gtest? or still the old style c++ tests?
2939. # [22:13] <@ehsan> bent: you can use either. gtests are easier if you need stuff from libxul
2940. # [22:13] <bent> hrm, i do
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2942. # [22:13] <@ehsan> tbsaunde: so there is a GetEditor() method, but it creates the editor if it doesn't exist already
2943. # [22:13] <@ehsan> tbsaunde: can you tell me what you want to do?
2944. # [22:14] <@ehsan> and why you care whether an editor exists or not?
2945. # [22:14] <KWierso> Waldo: ping?
2946. # [22:14] <Waldo> KWierso: pong
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2948. # [22:15] <tbsaunde> ehsan: HyperTextAccessible::NativeState() wants to decide if the element is "editable" and the existing way it does that is to call GetEditor()
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2950. # [22:15] <KWierso> Waldo: are those json-related failures (the osx xpcshell and the b2g emulator builds) fixed by your followup?
2951. # [22:15] <KWierso> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Mozilla-Inbound&rev=3c86dfbca278&onlyunstarred=1
2952. # [22:15] <tbsaunde> ehsan: but its not really ok for that code to flush
2953. # [22:16] <Waldo> KWierso: the b2g ones, yes; the other, no, I'll look
2954. # [22:16] <Waldo> looks like a test testing too hard
2955. # [22:16] <@ehsan> hmm
2956. # [22:16] <KWierso> Waldo: thanks
2957. # [22:16] <Waldo> it was a mistake to ever include a code-visible message in errors :-\
2958. # [22:17] <@ehsan> tbsaunde: try QIing for nsITextControlElement ?
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2968. # [22:21] <tbsaunde> ehsan: is <input readonly> a thing / what happens there?
2969. # [22:21] <Ms2ger> Yes it is
2970. # [22:22] <tbsaunde> I guess that node will QI to nsITextControlElement, but does it get an editor?
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2973. # [22:22] <@ehsan> yes and yes
2974. # [22:23] <Waldo> KWierso: I'm going to do a local build to test out a very-slightly-more-involved fix; that one test failure shouldn't close the tree, tho, while I wait on that, if you had any thoughts of possibly doing it
2975. # [22:23] <@ehsan> (I think it won't get an editor if it's never set to not-realonly but you shouldn't assume that)
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2977. # [22:24] <KWierso> Waldo: so less than an hour? sounds good :)
2978. # [22:24] <tbsaunde> ok, then I guess nsITextControlElement probably works
2979. # [22:24] <Waldo> KWierso: well less, yes
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2981. # [22:24] <@ehsan> tbsaunde: yeah. let me know if it doesn't
2982. # [22:24] <KWierso> Waldo: just keep me updated :)
2983. # [22:24] <Waldo> wilco
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2985. # [22:27] <tbsaunde> ehsan: actually how does <div contenteditable=true> work?
2986. # [22:27] <Ms2ger> Sounds like tbsaunde owns editor/
2987. # [22:28] <tbsaunde> Ms2ger: no, just trying to make sure I'm covering all the cases
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2989. # [22:28] <msucan> Waldo: i see you have an r+ for the patch from bug 843004. is that ready to land as-is? i also have r+s for my patches there and i'd like to know if i can land them all tomorrow (after more try runs)
2990. # [22:28] <Ms2ger> tbsaunde, that's how it starts... :)
2991. # [22:29] <Waldo> msucan: not quite
2992. # [22:29] <Waldo> msucan: I'll land it after I deal with this orange
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2994. # [22:29] <msucan> Waldo: thank you. then i'll land my patches after yours
2995. # [22:29] <@ehsan> tbsaunde: we attach only one nsHTMLEditor to the document if it has any number of contenteditables or if it's in designMode
2996. # [22:29] <@ehsan> tbsaunde: (please, don't ask me why!)
2997. # [22:30] <gps> nrc: facepalm
2998. # [22:30] <gps> (bug 950864)
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3000. # [22:30] <nrc> gps: :-) (just saw)
3001. # [22:31] <tbsaunde> ehsan: I won't but that sounds insane
3002. # [22:31] <nrc> gps: that is a kinda funny bug
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3004. # [22:31] <nrc> gps: and by 'funny' I mean makes me furious about programming language design/compiler implementation
3005. # [22:31] <@ehsan> tbsaunde: it's basically a hack done to get contenteditable support in firefox 3-ish
3006. # [22:32] <nrc> gps: trying a build now...
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3008. # [22:32] <tbsaunde> lovely
3009. # [22:32] * nrc is entertained to find out that he is presumably the only person building Firefox on Windows using python -OO
3010. # [22:33] <gps> nrc: I'm kinda surprised by that as well. a year ago, I think most people were running -OO
3011. # [22:33] <gps> i removed that from the MDN docs because it doesn't actually do anything
3012. # [22:33] <firebot> Check-in:
3013. # [22:33] <gps> now it's actually breaking the build. so I guess we'll have to test for it
3014. # [22:33] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/03d86cd05b7e - Jeff Walden - Remove an exact-error-message check from an xpcshell test -- error message string format is not a stable interface, and tests shouldn't break when message strings change
3015. # [22:33] <nrc> anything other than breaking the world :-)
3016. # [22:33] <firebot> from time to time. Followup to bug 507998, r=orange
3017. # [22:34] <nrc> I guess most of our tiny pool of windows users have migrated to mach
3018. # [22:34] <Ms2ger> beltzner, re your tweet, Gecko supports a ping per spec now; still preffed off, though
3019. # [22:34] <Waldo> KWierso: ^
3020. # [22:35] <KWierso> waldo++
3021. # [22:35] <Waldo> eh, just cleaning up after myself :-)
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3029. # [22:41] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/7a1445739c07 - Nicholas Nethercote - Bug 631842 (part 2) - Implement |mach valgrind-test|. r=gps.
3030. # [22:41] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/32430af5d9d4 - Nicholas Nethercote - Bug 631842 (part 1) - Clone the PGO profile test script and data for use in the Valgrind test. r=ted.
3031. # [22:43] <gps> E_TOO_MANY_MACH_COMMANDS
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3033. # [22:44] <NeilAway> tbsaunde: can you call mozIsTextField?
3034. # [22:46] <tbsaunde> NeilAway: maybe, though it would be nice if it handled HTMLTextField too
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3043. # [22:53] <@njn> gps: thanks for the |hg histedit| pointer. I've looked at it before and I thought that it needed the Changeset Evolution stuff to really be complete, but I could well be wrong. I found the documentation a bit sparse
3044. # [22:53] <@njn> gps: a "mq-to-histedit" transition tutorial would be ideal :)
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3046. # [22:54] <yeukhon> does ENABLE_MARIONETTE=1 needs to have mz_add_options appended to the front?
3047. # [22:54] <gps> njn: yeah, it's a little awkward with mq. mq is effectively it's own interactive rebase
3048. # [22:54] <gps> when I gave up on mq, i started using histedit a lot more
3049. # [22:54] <@njn> gps: I understand the two don't really fit together
3050. # [22:54] <@njn> gps: but I don't have a sense how to switch from mq to histedit
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3052. # [22:55] <gps> njn: you can start by using bookmarks to do development (like branches in git)
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3054. # [22:55] <gps> however, unless you have changeset evolution enabled, rebase and histedit will strip the repo
3055. # [22:55] <gps> and those ops can be slow
3056. # [22:55] <AutomatedTester> yeukhon: it shoudlnt matter if its at the beginning or the end of your mozconfig
3057. # [22:56] <gps> unfortunately, I can't recommend changeset evolution to people just yet. still a bit rough around the edges and performance needs work
3058. # [22:56] <@njn> gps: I'm happy to wait
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3060. # [22:57] <yeukhon> AutomatedTester: when i try to run ./mach mochitest-b2g-desktop im getting Add 'ENABLE_MARIONETTE=1' to your mozconfig file and re-build the application.
3061. # [22:57] <yeukhon> but i have ENABLE_MARIONETTE=1 with and without mz_options
3062. # [22:57] <yeukhon> unless i need to recompile from scratch again
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3064. # [22:58] <AutomatedTester> yeukhon: just add ENABLE_MARIONETTE=1 to the file
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3067. # [22:58] <AutomatedTester> it doesnt have t be in the options
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3069. # [22:59] <yeukhon> i first compiled with the options, so if i do it wihtout, i assume i would have ot clobber and then build again?
3070. # [22:59] <fabrice> yes
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3072. # [23:00] <yeukhon> okay. thanks. want to confirm im doing something right before clobber again
3073. # [23:00] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/6296ca67d80b - Brian Hackett - Bug 951979 - Reorder compilation vs. operation callback lock ordering constraints, r=jandem.
3074. # [23:00] <yeukhon> thanks a lot
3075. # [23:01] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/e9bab00a241e - Ryan VanderMeulen - Backed out changesets ccdc3d4f4571, 4dcc91e771e3, 0ae14946314b, and 94d22ab0b17f (bug 937960) for Windows 7 debug xpcshell failures.
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3080. # [23:03] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/3c174bf854ce - Brian Hackett - Bug 950460 - Fixup test used for discarding property type information for singleton objects, r=jandem.
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3091. # [23:06] <tbsaunde> ehsan: so just checking for the node QIing to nsITextControlElement isn't enough because the accessible for the div in <div contenteditable=true> should be editable and that accessible is a HyperTextAccessibl
3092. # [23:06] <@ehsan> tbsaunde: is nsIContent::IsEditable() what you want then?
3093. # [23:07] <tbsaunde> let me look
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3101. # [23:11] <firebot> Check-in:
3102. # [23:11] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/c75e5f21cd86 - Jeff Walden - Bug 843004 - Make detecting-ful evaluations of undefined properties in self-hosted code not warn, so that self-hosted code can use that pattern when it wants to.
3103. # [23:11] <firebot> r=jorendorff
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3118. # [23:22] <@smaug> tn: any ideas?
3119. # [23:22] * @smaug is trying to do some magic tomorrow and land the real patch
3120. # [23:22] <@smaug> will try to do...
3121. # [23:23] <@smaug> that future tense
3122. # [23:23] <tn> smaug: got sidetracked into other stuff, sorry, haven't gotten to that bug yet
3123. # [23:23] <@smaug> silly English
3124. # [23:23] <@smaug> ok
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3127. # [23:24] <tn> smaug: if i were to debug it i would want to dump a bunch of extra stuff to see what was going on, like when we do actual paints and resizes and a dump of the layer tree to see why it fails the test
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3129. # [23:25] <@smaug> tn: I had debug trypush which logged all the events
3130. # [23:25] <@smaug> nothing useful there
3131. # [23:26] <tn> smaug: not just the events but also when we do the resize reflow and the paint (from c++), because the events are dispatched async. what the layer tree is would also be interesting to know why we are failing actually
3132. # [23:27] <@smaug> tn: oh you mean printfs in C++ and such
3133. # [23:27] * @smaug has spent way too much time with that existing randomly failing test which he is just making fail a bit more often :/
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3142. # [23:33] <tn> smaug: knowing what the layer tree is when it fails would be useful, right now we don't know why it fails, maybe its overlaping, maybe it doesnt cover the whole thing? we don't know
3143. # [23:34] <@smaug> tn: well, someone familiar with layer tree should hopefully do such debugging ;)
3144. # [23:35] <@smaug> I'm just trying to get my pretty much unrelated patch landed
3145. # [23:35] * mattwoodrow|away is now known as mattwoodrow
3146. # [23:35] * @smaug could just disable the test :p
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3149. # [23:37] <tn> smaug: the test does tell you how to dump the layer tree when it fails. :)
3150. # [23:37] <tn> smaug: what do i need to push to try along with it to get useful results?
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3154. # [23:38] <@smaug> tn: the patches for bug 930793
3155. # [23:38] <@smaug> just use patch -p1 --fuzz=9 < patch.
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3157. # [23:38] <@smaug> it will complain about one thing, but it is just IID update
3158. # [23:40] <tn> smaug: actually, just make this line true http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/gfx/thebes/gfxUtils.cpp#864 and push to try, easier for you to do since you have it already queued
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3163. # [23:42] <@smaug> k
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3166. # [23:43] <tn> smaug: is there an easy way to limit the test suite to just the one test or directory we are interested in? otherwise we might run out of log space, that generates a lot of spew
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3168. # [23:44] <@smaug> tn: I'm not aware of such thing
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3179. # [23:53] <tn> smaug: guh, MOCHITEST_CHROME_MANIFESTS scattered over the tree seems to be the only way to control what gets run
3180. # [23:53] <jesup> smaug: got a stack https://pastebin.mozilla.org/3812621 - can't find mochi.test.
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