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  13. # [00:07] <Tanner> hey all, I'm trying to attach Firefox to a debugger to figure get a trace for bug 955878 but whenever i do that, Firefox just freezes up, and never crashes. somebody else has tried the same thing, and the same has happened with him
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  29. # [00:23] <ConnorBehan> do you know what toolchain was used for the official xulrunner-26.0 binaries?
  30. # [00:23] <ConnorBehan> and by what milestone will gcc-4.8 be part of it?
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  66. # [00:56] <derf> Is http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/legal/fraud-report/index.html broken for everyone, or just me?
  67. # [00:57] <derf> When I try to submit a report I get "We could not process your request."
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  69. # [00:58] <derf> (the site I tried to report being the one discussed here: <https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/982199>)
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  80. # [01:13] <NeilAway> bah, missed ehsan
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  182. # [03:16] <KWierso|afk> derf: looks like bug 948300 is similar to that sumo thread?
  183. # [03:17] <KWierso|afk> also bug 937171
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  189. # [03:27] <derf> KWierso|afk: Slightly different URL, but yes, probably the same people.
  190. # [03:28] <derf> Oh, 948300 comment 1 has the other URL.
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  208. # [03:53] <stevensn> can someone push https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=8355830 to try for me with try: -b do -p linux,linux64,macosx64,win32,android,linux64_gecko -u all -t none
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  213. # [03:59] <ckitching> stevensn: Your patch doesn't apply cleanly and has no parent changeset in the heeader.
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  215. # [04:00] <ckitching> stevensn: Which branch did you write this patch against? And how long since you last pulled?
  216. # [04:00] <ckitching> (With Mercurial, that is, I stress.)
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  219. # [04:02] <stevensn> ckitching: sorry, aurora, I last pulled yesterday
  220. # [04:02] <ckitching> stevensn: Ah. Aurora. That probably explains why I can't apply it to central. Just a minute.
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  230. # [04:09] <ckitching> stevensn: I'm possibly doing this incorrectly (Having never before had to apply a patch to aruora myself), but moving my repository to the changeset tagged FIREFOX_AURORA_27_BASE still leaves your patch impossible to apply... Have I done something stupid?
  231. # [04:10] <ckitching> I don't understand why your patch doesn't have a parent changeset in the header...
  232. # [04:10] <stevensn> I generated the patch with git, so it is possible that I did it improperly
  233. # [04:10] <ckitching> Do you have handy the ID of the HG changeset you built it on top of?
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  235. # [04:11] <ckitching> (And that explains the missing parent header, anyway. It's optional, but really handy when you get lost like I just did. :P )
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  238. # [04:12] <stevensn> hmm, fefdc280c829
  239. # [04:15] <ckitching> Ta. There will be a brief interlude during which I shall stop being an idiot.
  240. # [04:16] <bz_away> FIREFOX_AURORA_27_BASE is where aurora branched from m-c
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  242. # [04:16] <bz_away> I wouldn't generally expect patches to aurora to apply there...
  243. # [04:17] <ckitching> That explains why my attempt failed. :P
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  245. # [04:17] <bz_away> What you generally want is to just pull the aurora tree
  246. # [04:17] <bz_away> and apply to its tip
  247. # [04:17] <ckitching> Yes, this is what I just did.
  248. # [04:18] <ckitching> All is now well. Alas, doing so on this dodgy internet took ages.
  249. # [04:18] <ckitching> (The try push is going through now)
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  251. # [04:18] <bz_away> mmm
  252. # [04:18] <bz_away> yeah, that's no fun
  253. # [04:18] <stevensn> ckitching: thanks,I feel bad about putting you through this trouble
  254. # [04:18] <ckitching> stevensn: Happy easter: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=f4c69c9db80a
  255. # [04:19] <ckitching> stevensn: No trouble at all. It's something I'd have to figure out eventually :P
  256. # [04:19] <ckitching> Better now than sometime when I'm trying to unbreak something.
  257. # [04:19] <ckitching> Although I appear to have omitted to unbork your commit message.
  258. # [04:19] <ckitching> You should do that before landing.
  259. # [04:20] <ckitching> (Probably another quirk of generating it from git)
  260. # [04:20] <ckitching> One day I'll learn to perform simple tasks without emitting a medium-sized essay on the subject.
  261. # [04:21] <stevensn> ok, I'm also unclear if this patch needs to be re-reviewed or re-approved before landing , the last landing attempt on aurora was backed out because it broke a debug assert
  262. # [04:21] <ckitching> If it's something straightforward like that you're probably fine. I'd suggest you r? the original reviewer with the new version and mention what you changed.
  263. # [04:22] <ckitching> If it's a broken assert, the change is probably really simple, so the reviewer will just instantly r+ it.
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  265. # [04:23] <ckitching> Particularly if try goes green.
  266. # [04:23] <stevensn> and then I re-request approval for aurora ?
  267. # [04:23] <ckitching> I'm actually not sure what the protocol is for things getting backed out of Aurora.
  268. # [04:23] <ckitching> I've never managed to break Aurora. :P
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  270. # [04:24] <stevensn> that sounds like a better approach :)
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  272. # [04:24] <ckitching> stevensn: Have you considered applying for L1 commit access?
  273. # [04:24] * KWierso|afk can back stuff out of aurora if needed
  274. # [04:25] * KWierso|afk doesn't know the context, though
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  276. # [04:26] <stevensn> I probably should, I'm not really sure who to ask to vouch for me
  277. # [04:26] <ckitching> KWierso|afk: Patch got uplifted, broke a debug assert, got backed out, now doing a try push of the fixed one. Uncertain if need to request uplift clearance again for the new patch.
  278. # [04:26] <ckitching> stevensn: If you've had a few patches landed, go ask the people who reviewed them to vouch for you.
  279. # [04:27] <KWierso|afk> ckitching: depends how minor the fix is
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  282. # [04:28] <stevensn> KWierso|afk: it's changing an #ifdef that was in the original m-c patch but I mismerged the conflict for aurora
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  284. # [04:29] <KWierso|afk> stevensn: imo, that should be fine just relanding, then post the updated patch to the bug and ask for(/if it needs) re-review
  285. # [04:29] * KWierso|afk isn't a release driver, though, so don't take my word on that :P
  286. # [04:29] * bz_away waits for our perf bot to decide the improvement is not noise. ;)
  287. # [04:30] <ckitching> bz_away: We *have* one of those?
  288. # [04:30] <ckitching> And it actually works? And gives useful data?
  289. # [04:30] <ckitching> Is this Talos, or something new?
  290. # [04:31] <ckitching> The last time I tried to use Talos I concluded it was merely a fairly poor PRNG.
  291. # [04:31] <ckitching> :P
  292. # [04:31] <bz_away> ckitching: we have some bots watching talos data
  293. # [04:31] <bz_away> ckitching: And sending mail if it changes by more than usual, basically
  294. # [04:31] <ckitching> Oh, that's sort of nifty.
  295. # [04:31] <bz_away> ckitching: In this case, the graph is http://graphs.mozilla.org/graph.html#tests=[[73,63,24]]&sel=1382543030000,1382715830000&displayrange=7&datatype=running
  296. # [04:32] <bz_away> ckitching: and hopefully at some point it'll realize that jump is really a jump....
  297. # [04:32] * ckitching Just discovered that graphs.mozilla.org is a thing.
  298. # [04:32] * bz_away bets the earlier landing+backout might confuse it a bit
  299. # [04:32] <ckitching> Hmm.
  300. # [04:32] <bz_away> ckitching: ah, yeah
  301. # [04:32] <ckitching> That seems a rather nifty jump, certainly.
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  303. # [04:32] <bz_away> ckitching: It's pretty spiff
  304. # [04:32] <ckitching> I wonder if there's a measurable jump from Proguard...
  305. # [04:32] <ckitching> How long have we had this?
  306. # [04:33] <ckitching> I spent much of my summer doing performance work. I feel my arguments would have gone better if I'd had shiny graphs. :P
  307. # [04:33] <bz_away> ckitching: Turns out, optimizing away the benchmark code makes us really fast.... ;)
  308. # [04:33] <ckitching> ...
  309. # [04:33] <ckitching> No, really?
  310. # [04:33] <bz_away> ckitching: graphs.m.o has been around for a long time
  311. # [04:33] <bz_away> ckitching: really
  312. # [04:33] <ckitching> I see.
  313. # [04:33] * ckitching appears to be denser than neutronium.
  314. # [04:33] <ckitching> Nifty.
  315. # [04:33] <bz_away> ckitching: Well, if no one ever told you about it, how would you know? :(
  316. # [04:33] <ckitching> Quite.
  317. # [04:34] <bz_away> ckitching: anyway, you can pick different benchmarks, different platforms, time ranges, etc, etc
  318. # [04:34] <bz_away> ckitching: Sometimes, it really does look like an RNG. ;)
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  320. # [04:34] <ckitching> Nifty. How far back does the data go?
  321. # [04:34] <ckitching> Oh, also, I've just realised. I was trying to measure on Android.
  322. # [04:34] <bz_away> graphs will let you go back a year....
  323. # [04:35] <ckitching> I bet there's a few fun Android problems which make it more PRNG-esque.
  324. # [04:35] <bz_away> We seem to have no Android data on grapsh.m.o
  325. # [04:35] <bz_away> Do we run Talos on android?
  326. # [04:36] * bz_away is pretty proud of the 1-year dromaeo-dom graph
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  328. # [04:36] <ckitching> For some value of "run", yes.
  329. # [04:36] <bz_away> mmm
  330. # [04:36] <bz_away> Wonder why it's not reported here. :(
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  332. # [04:36] <ckitching> Most likely because of its unreliability.
  333. # [04:37] <ckitching> Seriously. I made a change that, according to my own (Admittedly fairly crude) tests produced an 11-18% reduction in pageload times. Ran it on Talos and got just noise. :P
  334. # [04:37] <ckitching> So I suspect the reason it's not reported is because work is still happening there or something.
  335. # [04:37] <ckitching> Unclear.
  336. # [04:37] <ckitching> Glad to see Talos is useful elsewhere.
  337. # [04:37] <ckitching> It's presumably just been mildly multilated when it got ported. Or something. Tasty.
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  339. # [04:39] <ckitching> Aaanyway. Sleepage.
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  389. # [05:57] <tonythomas01> Hi. can someone help me with https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=956231
  390. # [05:57] <tonythomas01> As the attachements I had added, the context menu doesn't show up, when the menu type is given as a button
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  583. # [11:26] <NeilAway> huh, decltype(sizeof(1)) != size_t ?
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  596. # [11:45] <NeilAway> presumably https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=8355575&action=diff#a/js/xpconnect/src/XPCJSRuntime.cpp_sec3 is requred due to anti-footgun properties of UniquePtr
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  602. # [11:57] <Ms2ger> NeilAway, which bit?
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  604. # [12:02] <cron> hello everyone i want to contribute to mozilla , so how should i start with
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  608. # [12:04] <cron> hello everyone i want to contribute to mozilla , so how should i start with
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  610. # [12:06] <tonythomas01> I moved the entire build of thunderbird to another location and now, when I give mozilla/mach build the build exists with an error saying problem with finding files under previous locations
  611. # [12:07] <tonythomas01> please help me fix tihs
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  613. # [12:08] <NeilAway> Ms2ger: having to create a local unique pointer and move it to the parameter
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  617. # [12:09] <Ms2ger> Maybe Foo(UniquePtr<T>(new T)) would have worked too
  618. # [12:10] <NeilAway> Ms2ger: hmm, actually the declaration is SetSourceHook(JSRuntime *rt, mozilla::UniquePtr<SourceHook> hook);
  619. # [12:10] <Ms2ger> Right
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  621. # [12:11] <NeilAway> Ms2ger: oh, but the constructor is explicit, so you can't just pass in new T
  622. # [12:11] <NeilAway> Ms2ger: your version looks reasonable though
  623. # [12:11] <Ms2ger> An implicit constructor there seems like an awful idea :)
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  625. # [12:14] <NeilAway> Ms2ger: I also don't get the bit about whether the deleter is a base class or member
  626. # [12:14] <Ms2ger> I think that's some memory-saving thing?
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  630. # [12:18] <NeilAway> Ms2ger: well, why not make it always a base class in that case?
  631. # [12:19] <NeilAway> Ms2ger: bah, # is a comment in reftest.list
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  637. # [12:31] <NeilAway> ah, phew, # is only a comment at the beginning of a line or after whitespace
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  651. # [13:12] <NeilAway> Ms2ger: ok, here's my reftest: http://diff.pastebin.mozilla.org/3943066
  652. # [13:12] <NeilAway> Ms2ger: worth a try run? if so, please suggest trychooser syntax
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  908. # [19:12] <Waldo> anyone know how I should be building clang, if I want to use it with --enable-clang-plugin? getting "/home/jwalden/moz/slots/build/clang-plugin/clang-plugin.cpp:4:10: fatal error: 'clang/AST/ASTConsumer.h' file not found" which suggests I need to build clang a little harder
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  914. # [19:16] <Waldo> hm, maybe I need the clang tools extra stuff
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  917. # [19:24] <jcranmer|away> did you install clang somewhere?
  918. # [19:24] <jcranmer|away> --enable-clang-plugin uses llvm-config to find the paths
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  926. # [19:29] <Waldo> jcranmer|away: I added the location of llvm-config to my path, also tried adding -isystem stuff to get in the llvm headers and such, but my include/ doesn't have the clang headers in it
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  929. # [19:29] <Waldo> we'll see where I am after that
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  933. # [19:34] <Waldo> I think I also tried setting LLVMCONFIG appropriately
  934. # [19:34] <Waldo> the other possibility is my tree was too new, and clang's changed its headers around
  935. # [19:35] <Waldo> but I was only ~1k revs past the rev in asan tree logs, so that seems unlikely
  936. # [19:36] <Gijs> uh... so how do I get a stacktrace (or any info at all) for a startup crash on mac on my own build + patch? I've tried running from XCode and running from the commandline with ./mach debug, and both show the crash reporter...
  937. # [19:36] <Gijs> lldb only ever bothers saying "Process 84941 exited with status = 6 (0x00000006) "
  938. # [19:36] <Gijs> and that's it
  939. # [19:36] <Gijs> (opt build, if that matters)
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  954. # [19:48] <NeilAway> Gijs: interesting... https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=485531#c15
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  958. # [19:51] <Gijs> NeilAway: hrm. Shame the workaround doesn't seem to work. :(
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  961. # [19:51] <Gijs> (although I used "env MOZ_CRASHREPORTER=0" because 'unset' doesn't seem to exist in lldb)
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  964. # [19:55] <Waldo> jcranmer|away: https://pastebin.mozilla.org/3945172 is the compile error I'm getting, https://pastebin.mozilla.org/3945161 is the compiler flags llvm-config produces; seems not to be installing the clang headers -- you know what I'm not doing? https://pastebin.mozilla.org/3945200 is how I build, I have all the checkout parts mentioned in http://clang.llvm.org/get_started.html
  965. # [19:55] <NeilAway> Gijs: that doesn't work, you need it to be the empty string or unset
  966. # [19:55] <Gijs> NeilAway: empty string has the same result
  967. # [19:56] <Waldo> jcranmer|away: https://pastebin.mozilla.org/3945206 to be clear about exactly which components I have
  968. # [19:56] <NeilAway> Gijs: set a breakpoint on line 3034 of nsAppRunner.cpp, and manually skip parts the code that enables the crash reporter?
  969. # [19:56] <Waldo> ...oh, maybe I need to do a make install
  970. # [19:56] <NeilAway> *past
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  981. # [20:10] <Gijs> NeilAway: I... don't know how to do that.
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  983. # [20:11] <jcranmer|away> Waldo: yes, you need to do make install
  984. # [20:12] <Gijs> NeilAway: OK, I *think* I managed the first bit (breakpoint set -f 'nsAppRunner.cpp' -l 3034) - output: "Breakpoint 1: where = XUL`XREMain::XRE_mainInit(bool*) + 1234 at nsAppRunner.cpp:3035, address = 0x00000001027b3dd2" - but it still crashes without hitting that
  985. # [20:12] <Gijs> so presumably something worse is happening?
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  987. # [20:12] <Gijs> Let me do a clobber just in case...
  988. # [20:13] <Gijs> (I love our new compile times where that only loses me ~10-12 minutes)
  989. # [20:15] <Waldo> jcranmer|away: yup, getting past that stage right now, thanks for the help you provided by just listening ;-)
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  994. # [20:17] <Waldo> hmm, this "warning: replacement function 'operator new' cannot be declared 'inline' [-Winline-new-delete]" seems to be hitting everything
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  1009. # [20:32] <NeilAway> Gijs: either that or our line numbers don't match (I was going from an MXR search)
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  1012. # [20:34] <Gijs> NeilAway: maybe. on the clobber, was still seeing it with my original profile that had DOMI, on a new profile I can start the browser, but if I try to construct an inIDeepTreeWalker, I crash, but at least that's something to go on...
  1013. # [20:34] <Gijs> NeilAway: (I modified that class, though, so it's probably totally my fault, just need to figure out why)
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  1016. # [20:36] <Gijs> oh, hmm
  1017. # [20:36] <Gijs> maybe ./mach debug is just broken
  1018. # [20:36] <Gijs> argh
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  1096. # [21:53] <knhor> smontagu: ping
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  1099. # [21:57] <knhor> !seen smontagu
  1100. # [21:57] <firebot> smontagu was last seen 3 days, 11 hours, 9 minutes and 29 seconds ago, saying 'dear clang, if you know what I mean, why don't you just do that without asking?' in #developers.
  1101. # [21:57] <smontagu> knhor: what?
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  1105. # [21:58] <knhor> hi, I was told by surkov to ask you about bug #333938
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  1108. # [21:58] <knhor> It has been suggested that I finish this in order to be able to finish bug #505981
  1109. # [21:59] <knhor> I need to get the firstDayOfTheWeek for #505981
  1110. # [21:59] <knhor> the patch attached to #33938 if very staile
  1111. # [22:00] <knhor> err stale
  1112. # [22:00] <smontagu> knhor: today you might be able to use the js internationalization API for that
  1113. # [22:00] <smontagu> not sure specifically if it supports firstDayOfWeek, but it seems likely
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  1116. # [22:01] <Waldo> hmm
  1117. # [22:02] <Waldo> if there's a locale that formats date strings differently for first date of the week, maybe
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  1119. # [22:02] <Waldo> there is no direct API to expose this information, tho
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  1121. # [22:02] <smontagu> :(
  1122. # [22:02] <knhor> I don't need formatting... I need to know the os' view of the first day of the calendar week
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  1125. # [22:02] <Waldo> sure
  1126. # [22:03] <Waldo> I'm just saying, the Intl interface doesn't expose it directly right now, so you'd have to do hackarounds
  1127. # [22:03] <Waldo> formatting a date is the potential workaround
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  1129. # [22:04] <Waldo> and the "weekday" format specifier can be one of "narrow", "short", or "long", and I believe all of those are (in practice -- spec doesn't actually require particular text choices) F Fr Friday sorts of things in practice
  1130. # [22:04] <josh> I cannot figure out how to get the VS 2010 C++ Redistributable package installed and working, my Windows build just fails in configure because it's missing the DLL. If anyone knows a way out let me know...
  1131. # [22:04] <knhor> I have (untested) code for win32, mac os X, and linux to retrive the info, I just need to know how it should be applied towards #333938
  1132. # [22:04] <knhor> or if it should be
  1133. # [22:05] <smontagu> the info is in CLDR
  1134. # [22:05] <knhor> if not then I'll just keep it internal to #505981 nsGroupView
  1135. # [22:06] <knhor> I don't know what CLDR is
  1136. # [22:06] <smontagu> Unicode Common Locale Data Repository
  1137. # [22:07] <smontagu> but you want to get it from the OS rather than the browser locale IIRC
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  1140. # [22:07] <knhor> squib: can you jump in and help me a bit here
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  1143. # [22:09] <nkhorman> smontagu: so CLDR != nsLocale ?
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  1145. # [22:09] <smontagu> CLDR is a pile of data for different locales
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  1148. # [22:10] <nkhorman> yea, so nsLocale->GetCatagory(bla,bla) ... right ?
  1149. # [22:11] <Waldo> nkhorman: CLDR says stuff like "for this locale, this is the first day of the week, this is the weekday strings that are used, these are the month strings, this is how a long-form date is written, it uses MM/DD/YYYY for date format", &c.
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  1152. # [22:12] <Waldo> nkhorman: CLDR itself isn't code, just data -- code like ICU, or the Windows internationalization APIs, do the work of providing an interface to all of the information about locales that CLDR includes
  1153. # [22:12] <Waldo> or, for that matter, the JS internationalization API (which itself, in Firefox, is built on ICU)
  1154. # [22:13] <nkhorman> Waldo: ok, can you help with the api that I should use to access it with ?
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  1156. # [22:14] <Waldo> nkhorman: if Mozilla-specific APIs don't expose it, I don't have particular suggestions here
  1157. # [22:14] <Waldo> nkhorman: conceivably you could use ctypes to access platform libraries to find it out
  1158. # [22:14] <Waldo> nkhorman: but honestly I know nil about that
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  1160. # [22:17] <nkhorman> just to be clear.. I'm not in JS, but in cpp.... nsMsgGroupView.cpp to be exact
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  1163. # [22:17] <nkhorman> i'm not sure how ctypes would help with this
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  1165. # [22:18] <nkhorman> sorry, if it isn't obvious, I'm a total noob with TB && FF code base.
  1166. # [22:18] <nkhorman> i'm just trying to solve what I thought was a simple bug
  1167. # [22:18] <Waldo> sounds like you want to consult platform libraries, then, maybe
  1168. # [22:18] <Waldo> but I honestly know nothing about what they might be
  1169. # [22:18] <nkhorman> and it turned into a can of worms
  1170. # [22:19] <Waldo> :-)
  1171. # [22:19] <Waldo> (a commiserating smile, to be clear)
  1172. # [22:19] <nkhorman> thx
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  1217. # [23:01] <dtucker3> hey guys - new dev here
  1218. # [23:01] <dtucker3> having trouble getting the project set up using VS 2012 express edition
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  1226. # [23:04] <josh> dtucker3: what's your problem? Ask the full question and you're more likely to get an answer.
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  1234. # [23:09] <dtucker3> let me explain a little more then. I have visual studio 2012 express edition. I have downloaded (and built) the source code. However, there's no .sln file or .vcproj file with the source code. I've tried the steps located here: http://benoitgirard.wordpress.com/2011/05/27/using-visual-studio-2010-ide/ but since I have express, I can't import existing code
  1235. # [23:10] <dtucker3> see http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/754c3hy7%28v=vs.110%29.aspx as to why i can'y import existing code
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  1238. # [23:10] <dtucker3> so now i have the IDE but can't import or create the project in a reasonable manner, unless there's something i'm missing?
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  1240. # [23:10] <dtucker3> or without paying money to get the paid version
  1241. # [23:10] <dtucker3> thank you in advance for your help by the way
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  1244. # [23:11] <Waldo> dtucker3: note that you can work with/build Mozilla's source code without a project file, if you weren't aware
  1245. # [23:11] <josh> dtucker3: have you installed the mozilla-build package on your system yet?
  1246. # [23:12] <josh> dtucker3: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Developer_Guide/Build_Instructions/Windows_Prerequisites
  1247. # [23:12] <dtucker3> josh: yes. waldo: yes, i'm aware of that. in fact, i have built it successfully. I also know i can edit th source using notepad or vim, but i'd like to have it laid out in an organized way via an IDE
  1248. # [23:13] <Waldo> dtucker3: cool, just making sure
  1249. # [23:13] * Waldo knows nil about project files, on Windows or otherwise
  1250. # [23:13] <dtucker3> sorry if i wasn't as clear earlier
  1251. # [23:13] <josh> dtucker3: what you're trying to do is not something many people do, my advice would be to not bother
  1252. # [23:14] <Waldo> no worries
  1253. # [23:15] <dtucker3> erm, i don't think it's unreasonable to have an IDE that can take you to class definitions, auto-complete, and do lots of other handy things, especially if you're a new developer and want to explore the project easier
  1254. # [23:16] <dtucker3> maybe i should just wait to see if someone who has VS 2012 paid edition can send me their .sln file, assuming their source is in the same directory mine is (the default)
  1255. # [23:16] <nrc> dtucker3: dxr.mozilla.org works better than any IDE I know of
  1256. # [23:16] <nrc> I use visual studio, but not the intellisense stuff
  1257. # [23:17] <josh> dtucker3: what you're looking for is not unreasonable, but there are other ways of accomplishing what you want
  1258. # [23:17] <josh> try dxr.mozilla.org or mxr.mozilla.org for searching, for example
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  1261. # [23:18] <dtucker3> nrc: that's handy!
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  1264. # [23:19] <dtucker3> josh: i didn't know these resources were available. these should help get me started
  1265. # [23:19] <dtucker3> josh: ncr: Waldo: thank you!
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  1267. # [23:19] <dtucker3> Waldo: thank you for your help earlier
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  1269. # [23:20] <Waldo> :-)
  1270. # [23:20] <Waldo> such as it was :-)
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  1275. # [23:22] <neonfuz> Hey, not sure if this is the right place to ask, but I want to write a ebuild for firefox nightly for gentoo, and I'm wondering if there is a url that will always point to the latest firefox nightly
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  1279. # [23:24] <NeilAway> josh: did you try using --enable-jemalloc ?
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  1282. # [23:27] <Unfocused> neonfuz: ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/nightly/latest-mozilla-central/
  1283. # [23:27] <Unfocused> pick whatever file is relevant from that dir, its a symlink to the latest
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  1299. # [23:36] <@njn> gps: ping?
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