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# [00:01] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/e451b39305f6 - Andrea Marchesini - Bug 949488 - postMessage's targetOrigin argument should accept /, r=bholley
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# [00:03] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/3d519786b858 - Jeff Walden - Bug 953296 - Implement mozilla::IsRvalueReference and mozilla::IsReference. r=froydnj
# [00:04] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/b3ae449c47ec - Jeff Walden - Bug 956601 - Add Char16.h to RequiredDefines.h so that SpiderMonkey standalone works again, in compilers without native char16_t support. r=sstangl
# [00:04] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/a6330cc7cc46 - Jeff Walden - Bug 953296 - Implement mozilla::IsArray. r=froydnj
# [00:04] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/8c5e82bc3241 - Jeff Walden - Bug 956597 - Update the SpiderMonkey source package generation script for bug 794506. r=gps
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# [00:07] <jcranmer> jorendorff++
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# [00:14] <njn> what is it exactly that causes TBPL to show a job as orange?
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# [00:14] <njn> an exit code? a string in the output? something else?
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# [00:26] <@ehsan> njn: iirc it's the exit code
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# [00:26] <njn> ehsan: do you know what causes red vs. orange?
# [00:26] <@ehsan> njn: and we grep the logs for TEST-UNEXPECTED-FAIL to show the summary
# [00:26] <@ehsan> hmm
# [00:27] <@ehsan> I'm not sure
# [00:27] <njn> ehsan: we grep for various things for the summary; I thought that would also trigger orange but you're right that it doesn't, because I just disabled a non-zero exit for the valgrind job and it went green even in the presence of hightlighted errors
# [00:27] <@ehsan> actually you made me doubt my previous answer!
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# [00:28] <njn> ehsan: I think non-zero exit triggers red, and have no idea what triggers orange
# [00:28] <@ehsan> njn: I know for a fact that TEST-UNEXPECTED-FAIL on its own doesn't trigger an orange
# [00:28] <@ehsan> (or didn't use to at least)
# [00:28] <njn> ehsan: yeah, the test push I just did confirms that
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# [00:29] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/3b169432bbf7 - Gregory Szorc - Bug 952606 - Don't leave temporary files when executing test_preprocessor.py; r=mshal
# [00:29] <njn> ehsan: ryanvm just said in the bug that it's the exit code that causes non-greenness
# [00:29] <njn> ehsan: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=952605#c10
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# [00:30] <@ehsan> njn: he will have better answers than my abysmal combination of memory and guesses :)
# [00:30] <njn> :)
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# [00:31] <@dbaron> ehsan, njn, each build step can return a bunch of possible exit codes
# [00:31] <@dbaron> ehsan, njn, if you look at the log, it's separated by build step, and shows a result for each
# [00:31] <@dbaron> ehsan, njn, but I'm not sure what makes a given step yield a given code
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# [00:33] <njn> dbaron: do some exit codes cause red and some orange?
# [00:34] <@dbaron> njn, exit codes of what process?
# [00:34] <njn> aha! https://mxr.mozilla.org/webtools-central/source/tbpl/dataimport/import-buildbot-data.py#80
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# [00:36] <njn> and that makes sense for the valgrind builds, because they currently return 2 if errors are present, and hence show up red
# [00:36] <njn> excellent
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# [00:38] <@ehsan> huh, nice!
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# [00:55] <@ehsan> NeilAway: ping
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# [00:59] <NeilAway> ehsan: pong
# [00:59] <@ehsan> NeilAway: I was typing in a comment... but:
# [00:59] <@ehsan> 1. GetTopWindowRoot can return null
# [01:00] <@ehsan> so I'd still have to check |root|
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# [01:00] <@ehsan> 2. Not sure which style inconsistency you're referring to
# [01:00] <@ehsan> 3. I can take keyup and keydown out, I only included them for completeness, but I guess it doesn't make a lot of sense
# [01:00] <@ehsan> (trying to minimize the roundtrips on bugzilla!)
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# [01:02] <NeilAway> ehsan: well, most of DoCommandCallback early-returns
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# [01:02] <@ehsan> I guess I'm just missing what you're asking me to do here
# [01:03] <@ehsan> do you want me to nest this stuff as opposed to early returning?
# [01:03] <NeilAway> ehsan: so you might as well write var win = doc.window; if (win) return; var root = win.topWindowRoot; if (root) return;
# [01:03] <NeilAway> whoops, dropped some !s there
# [01:03] <@ehsan> oh ok
# [01:03] <@ehsan> I see now
# [01:04] <NeilAway> ehsan: I don't know what the right way to deal with those unwanted keyup/down events is offhand
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# [01:04] <@ehsan> NeilAway: those event handler were added to handle pressing ctrl+shift on windows
# [01:05] <@ehsan> which doesn't generate a keypress
# [01:05] <@ehsan> they should not matter for this bug
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# [01:06] <@ehsan> NeilAway: so I'll just remove them from the patch, does that sound fine?
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# [01:08] <NeilAway> ehsan: ok, as long as you add an XXX comment that you're not passing keyup/down events to the native bindings
# [01:08] <@ehsan> NeilAway: inside the keypress handler you mean?
# [01:08] <NeilAway> ehsan: right
# [01:08] <@ehsan> sure, can do
# [01:09] <@ehsan> new patch coming up
# [01:10] <NeilAway> ehsan: no rush, won't have time to review tonight anyway
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# [01:10] <@ehsan> NeilAway: it's ok, need to pass it through try anyway!
# [01:12] <@ehsan> NeilAway: last but not least, thanks *so much* for your help with this bug, I'll sleep better once it's fixed :)
# [01:12] <NeilAway> ehsan: can try even test native key bindings?
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# [01:12] <@ehsan> NeilAway: the test case that I wrote fails without the patch and passes with it
# [01:12] <@ehsan> iirc synthesizeKey does the right magic
# [01:13] <@ehsan> plus, I wanna make sure I'm not breaking other things here
# [01:13] <NeilAway> ehsan: ok, but presumably if a developer customises his bindings it might fail ;-)
# [01:13] <@ehsan> NeilAway: yep, for sure :)
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# [01:14] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/b8f1b1cfc9e2 - Brian Smith - Bug 952876: Add test for bug 952808 (OCSP stapling not honored when there is a error entry in the OCSP cache), r=keeler
# [01:14] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/75e5396d0847 - Brian Smith - Bug 933109: Add tests to verify that we retry OCSP when we have a cached Unknown response, r=keeler
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# [01:21] <cpeterson> Is there a mozconfig flag to make a debug build without NS_ENSURE log spew?
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# [01:21] <mccr8> cpeterson: I think there's some environment variable... I don't recall what it is.
# [01:21] <cpeterson> OK
# [01:22] <mccr8> cpeterson: MOZ_QUIET maybe?
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# [01:22] <mccr8> I think billm may know
# [01:22] <mccr8> as he hates the console spew. ;)
# [01:22] <billm> cpearce: MOZ_IGNORE_WARNINGS=1
# [01:22] <cpeterson> bug 673252
# [01:22] <cpeterson> s/cpearce/cpeterson/ :)
# [01:23] <billm> MOZ_QUIET=1 is also good
# [01:23] <billm> oops
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# [01:24] <shu> ++DOMWINDOW
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# [01:32] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/4efbfe0c7320 - Richard Newman - Bug 953993. a=lsblakk
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# [01:40] <@smaug> jcranmer: aha, I had missed bsmedberg-away's post. I guess I'll add DOM_ENSURE_* macros then :p
# [01:41] <@smaug> (not really, but would like to understand why those macros are deprecated )
# [01:41] <jcranmer> smaug: long story short, the objection was to macros hiding return statements
# [01:41] <mccr8> yeah I forgot about that and just added some.
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# [01:42] <@smaug> I've been adding more NS_ENSURE_ all the time
# [01:42] <jcranmer> as did njn, myself, etc.
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# [01:43] <jcranmer> I personally disagree with deprecating NS_ENSURE_*; the hiding-return-statements don't particularly persuade me
# [01:43] <@smaug> if (NS_WARN_IF(NS_FAILED(rv)) looks rather horrible
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# [01:43] <jcranmer> if (NS_WARN_IF(NS_FAILED(rv))) return rv; pattern is ugly
# [01:43] <@smaug> hiding-return-stmt is kind of annoying
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# [01:43] <jcranmer> and it's particularly annoying in code that is largely "call XPCOM function a, then b, then c, then d, etc."
# [01:43] <njn> I've gotten used to it now
# [01:44] <tbsaunde> yeah, its still a lot to type
# [01:44] <jcranmer> I'm kind of fine with killing NS_ENSURE_STATE, etc. macros
# [01:44] <@smaug> need to add some abbreviation to my editor
# [01:44] <tbsaunde> its also a departure from return on its on line and bracing...
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# [01:45] <tbsaunde> or we can just continue having multiple code styles and use NS_ENSURE_XXX ;p
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# [02:35] <gkw> ted: i helped to land bug 953314, thanks for fixing it!
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# [02:38] <I_RIGHT_I> Hello all,....I need help regarding geckofx and c#. I want to be able to add selected text(html) to the system(ms windows) clipboard in html format, yet am only able to copy non-formatted string at the moment. From what i read the way to do it is to use the nsIClipboard interface but i have to clue how to do that of if it is possible with gekofx in c#.
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# [03:29] <edwin> How do I get useful output on linux from nsTraceRefcntImpl::WalkTheStack?
# [03:30] <edwin> I've tried fix-linux-stack.pl, but that doesn't do much.
# [03:30] * bz suspects "more booze" is not the answer edwin is looking for....
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# [03:31] <edwin> I get this http://pastebin.mozilla.org/3955493
# [03:32] <glandium> edwin: what does "file /fast/me/build/gst/dist/bin/libxul.so" say
# [03:33] <bz> This is a debug build with symbols?
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# [03:33] * edwin requests approval-mozilla-beer-fridge? - Reason: bz said - Risks: None
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# [03:34] <bz> also, with beer I suspect you will throw up before you drink enough to make this work.
# [03:34] <bz> You need something stronger.
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# [03:35] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/b57e3944342a - Lucas Rocha - Bug 935473 - Avoid unnecessary animations in forward button (r=wesj, a=lsblakk)
# [03:35] <edwin> I count half a bottle of gin, and some frangelico. Will that be enough?
# [03:35] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/499a6bcb6da9 - Lucas Rocha - Bug 935473 - Factor out method to animate forward button's visibility (r=wesj, a=lsblakk)
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# [03:35] <edwin> We would have more but doublec has a problem.
# [03:35] <edwin> Or did you mean gdb? :P
# [03:37] <doublec> edwin: the problem being I'm always running out of something stronger?
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# [03:39] <bz> edwin: I meant stronger booze.
# [03:39] <bz> edwin: gdb is quite unlike strong booze in various ways. ;)
# [03:39] <efaust|EST> bz: I dunno, strong booze often makes me want to drink strong booze
# [03:39] <efaust|EST> in some ways it's uncannily similar...
# [03:39] <bz> sure
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# [03:40] <bz> Also, disorientation, etc.
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# [03:40] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/3749f33287c4 - Karl Tomlinson - b=956611 remove costly atomic reference counting from ProduceDataForStreamsBlockByBlock r=padenot
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# [03:50] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/e9d6fd04d08e - Boris Zbarsky - Bug 950315 part 1. Convert a bunch of event targets to passing a Window or nsDOMEventTargetHelper directly to the constructor of their ancestor nsDOMEventTargetHelper.
# [03:50] <firebot> r=smaug
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# [04:13] <bz> roc: ping
# [04:13] <bz> roc: does "inherit attribute" actually parse?
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# [04:23] <mayhemer> when not all platforms build after a project branch push, how can I retrigger them? (e.g. https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Gum&rev=f53229bb6090)
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# [04:25] <@roc> bz: not only does it parse, but it actually works!
# [04:25] <@roc> I have a feeling it may be working by accident :-)
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# [05:14] <@khuey> roc: why am I superreviewing?
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# [05:15] <@roc> no idea
# [05:15] <@khuey> ok then
# [05:15] <@roc> Ms2ger requested it
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# [06:01] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/215f5bc6284d - Robert O'Callahan - Bug 946065. Part 3: Move content/smil to dom/smil. r=Ms2ger
# [06:01] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/67ff9392766b - Robert O'Callahan - Bug 946065. Part 2: Move content/xslt to dom/xslt and flatten away 'public' and 'src'. r=ms2ger
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# [06:02] <bz> mmm
# [06:02] <benjamin> tasty
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# [06:03] <bz> Good thing no one ever patches those dirs
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# [06:03] <@khuey> yes I asked if we could move xslt to /dev/null instead
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# [06:04] <benjamin> that makes it easy to rebase patches
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# [06:06] <bz> khuey: it's used. :(
# [06:06] <bz> khuey: or was a year or two back... ;)
# [06:06] * benjamin had fun writing xslt-based websites in his youth
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# [06:21] <@roc> hg rebase can rebase through those patches no problem
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# [06:27] <bz> I don't trust hg rebase
# [06:27] <bz> based on past experience....
# [06:29] <firebot> Check-in:
# [06:29] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/1fc3ac9b4a2c - Boris Zbarsky - Bug 950315 part 2. Convert some idb classes to passing a Window or nsDOMEventTargetHelper directly to the constructor of their ancestor nsDOMEventTargetHelper. r=khuey
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# [06:31] <jcranmer> hg rebase is fine if your workflow involves a lot of qpush/qpop anyways
# [06:31] <bz> jcranmer: That's what all the people who corrupted blame thought too...
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# [06:32] <jcranmer> bz: I hg qpop -a; hg qpush [x n]; hg qfinish -a before pushing anyways
# [06:32] <bz> jcranmer: Sure, that's basically what I do
# [06:32] <jcranmer> if you don't rebase between the qpush and the qfinish, there's no problem
# [06:32] <jcranmer> and it's been fixed in newer hg versions anyways, AFAIK
# [06:33] <bz> Right.
# [06:33] <bz> Or so they say.
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# [06:37] <tbsaunde> bz: since you just hand edit patches anyway shouldn't it be easy to just change the path in the patch header?
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# [06:41] <@roc> I've done a lot of hg pull --rebase over large mq patch stacks without any problems. Not for many months at least.
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# [06:42] <ewong> for the tbpl vagrant instance, what's the password for the root?
# [06:42] <heycam> I think it also leaves hg bundles around as a backup in case it stuffs up when rebasing
# [06:44] <@roc> yes it does
# [06:44] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/88596d701a2d - Mike Conley - Bug 952592 - Collect sizemode from first window in BrowserUITelemetry. r=Gijs, a=lsblakk.
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# [07:27] <dholbert> bz, RE the exit sign in https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=952011#c11 -- it's the small green sign with an arrow on it. Do you see that? (I do)
# [07:28] <dholbert> bz, (note that the "exit" text is upside down in Firefox, and backwards in Chrome)
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# [07:36] <bz> dholbert: I don't see it...
# [07:36] <bz> dholbert: in either Chrome or Firefox
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# [07:37] <ewong> !seen edmorley
# [07:37] <firebot> edmorley was last seen 12 hours, 33 minutes and 34 seconds ago, saying 'Gijs: he watches the build config component, so he should see it I hope' in #fx-team.
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# [07:39] <dholbert> bz, how about this version -- do you see a face on an orange backdrop? (dropped all the external references): http://people.mozilla.org/~dholbert/csstransform_face.html
# [07:39] <bz> No. :(
# [07:39] <bz> In either Chrome or Firefox
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# [07:39] <bz> Or Safari...
# [07:39] <bz> wtf?
# [07:40] <dholbert> weird! I see in both. (and Midori [webkit]), and Opera [presto]
# [07:40] * bz assumes dholbert is in fact seeing these things, obviously.
# [07:40] <dholbert> any third party want to sanity-check us? :)
# [07:40] <dholbert> bz, I'm on Linux, FWIW
# [07:41] * bz is in Mac
# [07:41] <bz> but....
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# [07:41] <dholbert> mwu, thanks
# [07:41] <bz> this is really weird
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# [07:43] <bz> ok
# [07:43] <bz> if I set transform: none ! important, I see the white face on orange background
# [07:44] <bz> transform-style: flat also makes it show up
# [07:45] <bz> in Gecko
# [07:45] <bz> not in Chrome
# [07:45] <dholbert> odd
# [07:45] <bz> but -webkit-transform: none makes it show up in Chrome
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# [07:47] <mwu> dholbert: I see nothing on osx firefox 26
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# [07:47] <dholbert> mwu, thanks
# [07:48] <dholbert> bz, (so it's not just you!)
# [07:48] <dholbert> bz, (reducing further, btw)
# [07:48] <bz> -moz-transition:-webkit-transform 1s ease-in-out;
# [07:48] <bz> Curious style rule there. ;)
# [07:48] <dholbert> haha
# [07:49] <dholbert> worth pointing out, but can't be responsible for the upside-down thing...
# [07:49] <dholbert> (though I'll bet the actual issue is something like that)
# [07:49] <bz> -webkit-transform:translateZ(1199px);
# [07:50] <bz> ooh
# [07:50] <bz> so as I go into positive translatez, the box gets bigger
# [07:50] <bz> right?
# [07:50] <dholbert> not sure
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# [07:50] <bz> yes
# [07:50] <bz> it does
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# [07:51] <bz> If I set that translateZ value to 300px, I get a very large box
# [07:51] <bz> in both Gecko and WebKit
# [07:51] <bz> 399px, even bigger
# [07:51] <bz> 400px, it disappears
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# [07:52] <bz> maybe we're getting bigger than my max gpu texture or some such nonsense....
# [07:52] <dholbert> it disappears sooner for me
# [07:52] <dholbert> but yeah, same results here
# [07:52] <bz> On mac?
# [07:52] <dholbert> linux
# [07:52] <bz> interesting
# [07:53] <bz> but you said you could see stuff on Linux!
# [07:53] <dholbert> oh, depends on window size
# [07:53] <dholbert> I can! and if I change that value to be something smaller (like e.g. 80px), the image isn't upside down
# [07:53] <bz> This graphics stuff is hard
# [07:53] <bz> ooh
# [07:53] <dholbert> and then for some range, the image disappears
# [07:53] <dholbert> and then at 1199px, it's upside down
# [07:54] * bz smells fixed-point overflow or something
# [07:54] <bz> Or something.
# [07:54] <dholbert> or something.
# [07:54] <bz> I wonder whether this is why he claimed that it works for him in Chrome whereas for me it's totally busted in Chrome...
# [07:54] <bz> He might be on non-Mac?
# [07:54] <bz> Or something.
# [07:54] <bz> Let's just work on the JIT instead. It's simpler. :(
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# [07:55] <bz_sleep> Or sleep
# [07:55] <bz_sleep> As teh case may be.
# [07:56] <dholbert> also a good plan :)
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# [08:13] <ewong> aside for edmorley, who else knows the tbpl code?
# [08:14] <ewong> stupid me.. /me looks up the code blame
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# [09:35] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/e7a366c1036c - Carsten "Tomcat" Book - Backed out australis changeset 5a8d6a009942 (bug 935815) for frequent oranges on a CLOSED TREE
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# [09:37] <Unfocused> Tomcat|sheriffduty: uh oh. what'd i break?
# [09:38] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> hey Unfocused i backed out bug 935815 from central
# [09:38] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> seems we have this timeouts again on all trees
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# [09:39] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> like https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=32621737&tree=B2g-Inbound
# [09:39] <Unfocused> Tomcat|sheriffduty: as in bug 956202?
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# [09:39] <ewong> Tomcat|sheriffduty: ping
# [09:39] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> yeah
# [09:39] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> ewong: pong
# [09:39] <Unfocused> ok - thanks for letting me know :)
# [09:40] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> Unfocused: seems to have started again shortly after the merges
# [09:40] <ewong> Tomcat|sheriffduty: you wouldn't happen to be familiar with tbpl code?
# [09:40] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> yeah sorry for backing this out again Unfocused
# [09:40] * Unfocused wishes he'd felt well enough to fix that test today
# [09:40] <Unfocused> n/p, its my code ;)
# [09:40] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> ewong: hm not really, edmorley is the master
# [09:40] <Unfocused> sorry for messing up your tree!
# [09:40] <ewong> Tomcat|sheriffduty: ok. thanks
# [09:40] <Ms2ger> ewong, I've touched it once or twice
# [09:41] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> Unfocused: no problem, just cleaning up after a public holiday yesterday :)))
# [09:42] <ewong> Ms2ger: I'm fiddling with a somewhat updated version I think.. how do I determine why I'm getting |Loading failed: error (http://tbpl-dev.callek.net/buildapi_data/builds-pending.js)|
# [09:42] <Ms2ger> Okay, haven't touched that :)
# [09:42] <Ms2ger> Does that file exist?
# [09:42] <ewong> I think it's complaining about the json format.. but I don't see what's wrong with the json format
# [09:42] <ewong> Ms2ger: yes..the file exists
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# [09:43] <ewong> even if I set the file to contain only |{"pending": {}}| it still errors
# [09:43] <Ms2ger> Then the best I guess I have is to grep for the error message :)
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# [09:44] <ewong> right.. I get to that part of the code.. don't know what to do next..
# [09:44] <gcp> mchen: ping
# [09:45] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/e7a366c1036c - Carsten "Tomcat" Book - Backed out australis changeset 5a8d6a009942 (bug 935815) for frequent oranges on a CLOSED TREE
# [09:45] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/5734ebc705fd - Carsten "Tomcat" Book - Merge mozilla-central to mozilla-inbound on a CLOSED TREE
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# [09:54] <mchen> gcp: pong
# [09:54] <gcp> mchen: I think SafeBrowsing updates are broken
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# [09:55] <gcp> mchen: my windows machines all have firefoxen in use, I see the last modified timestamps on safebrowsing data are all early or mid december
# [09:55] <gcp> mchen: iceweasel isn't updating at all it seems
# [09:56] <ewong> oh man.. back to square one...
# [09:56] <ewong> ahh!
# [09:56] <ewong> edmorley ping
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# [09:59] <edmorley> ewong: hi
# [10:00] <ewong> edmorley: hi! I'm looking at tbpl code again.. and I'm back at square one :( any chance I can pick your brain for a few questions?
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# [10:01] <mchen> gcp: I have no idea about this. Maybe you find the wrong guy...^_^
# [10:01] <edmorley> ewong: the aim is to have treeherder feature compatible with tbpl at the end of Q1, and then at some point after that eol it; so I don't know if it's worth making substantial changes at this point
# [10:02] <edmorley> ewong: if you are interested in getting involved with treeherder, there's some info at https://wiki.mozilla.org/Auto-tools/Projects/Treeherder
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# [10:02] <edmorley> (not all up to date, but should be good enough to get a feel of it)
# [10:02] <ewong> edmorley: well, this is for the SeaMonkey tbpl..
# [10:02] <edmorley> ah
# [10:02] <Ms2ger> Poor old seamonkey
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# [10:03] <ewong> as a reference: http://tbpl-dev.callek.net/?tree=SeaMonkey-Beta
# [10:03] <Ms2ger> So did they move off tinderbox yet? :)
# [10:03] <ewong> Ms2ger: yup
# [10:03] <edmorley> Ms2ger: only bugzilla is on tinderbox now
# [10:03] <edmorley> ewong: which bug were you looking at?
# [10:04] <ewong> edmorley: not actually a bug, but figuring out how things fit.. for example.. where in the UI-Interface.js does it display the machines?
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# [10:05] <gcp> mchen: ugh you're right. need Monica Chew
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# [10:05] <ewong> and where does tbpl get those names? I don't remember any of this..
# [10:06] <edmorley> ewong: data.js and config.js
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# [10:08] <ewong> ohh near the end of Data.js
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# [10:10] <ewong> so data translates the incoming machine name from the json dump "buildername" to some key that is looked up in OSNames?
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# [10:14] <ewong> edmorley btw, in vagrant, what's the root password?
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# [10:14] <ewong> err I mean the tbpl vagrant instance
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# [10:15] <edmorley> ewong: yeah that's correct :-) I believe the default vagrant username/password is vagrant/vagrant
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# [10:15] <ewong> edmorley: I mean the root password.. not the vagrant user, which doesn't have root access
# [10:16] <edmorley> ewong: there's now phpmyadmin in the vagrant project, if that's why you are sshing in
# [10:16] <edmorley> ewong: I believe you can su
# [10:17] <edmorley> ewong: look on the vagrant docs? the vagrant project is using the defaults mostly
# [10:17] <ewong> ahh ok thanks!
# [10:17] <edmorley> :-)
# [10:18] <ewong> edmorley ok.. reason why I'm asking is when I'm running a local instance of tbpl (sea-tbpl from Callek's repo), I get "Loading failed: error (http://tbpl-dev.callek.net/buildapi_data/builds-pending.js"
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# [10:18] <ewong> whereas it works on his system..
# [10:18] <ewong> from the vagrant system, I can wget that js file
# [10:18] <ewong> so I have no idea why it's error'ing..
# [10:19] <edmorley> ewong: that file is client-side, so you'll be wanting to debug on your client, rather than in the VM
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# [10:19] <edmorley> ewong: I'd start by checking what the web console says
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# [10:21] <ewong> web console?
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# [10:21] <edmorley> ewong: https://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/Tools/Web_Console
# [10:23] <ewong> edmorley: sorry, I'm a bit confused. builds-pending.js is clientside? or did I misunderstand
# [10:23] <edmorley> yes
# [10:23] <edmorley> it's javascript
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# [10:24] <edmorley> ewong: it's pulled in by the tbpl ui
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# [10:25] <edmorley> ewong: watch the calls in the webconsole, and you'll see it's polled every 2 mins
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# [10:27] <ewong> ok.. I'm getting HTTP/1.1 2000 OK for both builds-pending.js and builds-running.js
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# [10:28] <ewong> err 200
# [10:28] <ewong> so I guess that means the file is ok.. so something local is screwing up?
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# [10:36] <edmorley> ewong: see the section on errors in the webconsole docs? you need to check for js errors and/or add extra logging if needed
# [10:37] <ewong> edmorley: ah thanks!
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# [10:41] <gaston> stevensn: if you need hints pushing to try dont hesitate :)
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# [10:45] <ewong> hmm.. I have JS errors on.. yet there are no js errors
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# [10:47] <ewong> I've got all logging on as well..
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# [11:03] <NeilAway> Ms2ger: maybe the changed the principal spelling as a matter of principle?
# [11:04] <NeilAway> *they
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# [11:26] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/f3f667c17c26 - Geoff Lankow - Bug 953156 - Stop unregistering add-on chrome manifests at app shutdown; r=Unfocused
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# [11:34] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/96ea8706f382 - Jon Coppeard - Bug 956673 - Postbarrier writes to crosscompartment wrappers table r=terrence
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# [11:34] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/224f3b70841f - Jon Coppeard - Bug 929546 - We don't need to mark the initial shape table in minor GCs any more r=terrence
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# [12:10] <Yoric> gcp: pong
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# [12:11] <gcp> Yoric: I'm looking at a weird issue
# [12:11] <Yoric> So am I :)
# [12:11] <gcp> Yoric: safebrowsing files on windows have very old modification times
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# [12:11] <gcp> Yoric: which might imply they're not being updated
# [12:11] <gcp> Yoric: but only for one table
# [12:11] <Yoric> weird
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# [12:11] <gcp> Yoric: SafeBrowsing is using a hack on SafeOutputStream to add checksumming
# [12:12] <gcp> Yoric: also, in the past I ran into bugs in windows where having a file handle open interfered with some parts of SafeOutputstream
# [12:12] <gcp> now I'm looking at things like bug 928321
# [12:12] <Yoric> That can certainly happen.
# [12:13] <Yoric> Having open file handles is always messy.
# [12:13] <gcp> I'm worried that might have accidentally regressed something
# [12:13] <gcp> due to my hackish extension of safeoutputstream
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# [12:15] <Yoric> Ah.
# [12:15] <Yoric> Where's your hackish extension?
# [12:17] <Yoric> gcp: ^
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# [12:48] <cers> if I'm looking for a change that happened between two releases (say 8.0.1 and 9.0), is there a reasonable way of figuring out which dates to check with mozregression to get a smaller range?
# [12:50] <gcp> cers: I'd try to see if you can find the points on m-c that define the regression range first
# [12:50] <edmorley> cers: https://wiki.mozilla.org/RapidRelease/Calendar has the dates when those versions were on trunk
# [12:50] <gcp> cers: basically, figure out which nightlies delimit the error
# [12:51] <edmorley> cers: so use --good=2011-07-05 --bad=2011-08-16
# [12:51] <cers> gcp: yeah, that's what I want to do with mozregression - so I think the calendar that edmorley linked is exactly the thing I need!
# [12:51] <cers> edmorley: thanks! :-)
# [12:52] <gcp> Yoric: http://dxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/toolkit/components/url-classifier/nsCheckSummedOutputStream.h?from=nsCheckSummedOutputStream.h#1
# [12:52] <edmorley> cers: I'd suggest making the bad date a bit later than we think, in case it was an uplift that broke it
# [12:53] <edmorley> cers: especially given that increasing the range doesn't increase the number of bisection iterations significantly (vs starting from scratch if the range was too narrow)
# [12:55] <cers> edmorley: ok, thanks. Working on a blog post about js performance over time, and trying to identify what caused large changes (both up and down) between releases. It's a bumpier road than what I might have expected
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# [12:56] <gcp> can't that be done from talos graphs? or too noisy?
# [12:56] <edmorley> cers: ah cool :-)
# [12:56] <cers> gcp: well, performance with a specific image library that I wrote some years ago
# [12:56] <edmorley> cers:
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# [12:57] <edmorley> cers: are you using mozregression's specify profile parameter?
# [12:57] <edmorley> cers: that with the suite set as homepage will speed up iterations a bit
# [12:57] <cers> haven't started using it yet. I tested releases manually, in an empty profile
# [12:58] <edmorley> cers: or there might be another mozregression param specifically for URL I can't remember
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# [12:59] <cers> edmorley: I wasn't expecting quite so large bumps, so now I'm just trying to make sense of them
# [12:59] <cers> (also, damn internet!)
# [12:59] <cers> http://geeksbynature.dk/uploads/distance-plot.png that's the result of testing just releases
# [13:02] <gcp> That makes us look good.
# [13:02] <cers> it does indeed
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# [13:04] <cers> when I'm done figuring out the jumps in firefox, I'd like to figure out the two in chrome, but well... not sure how I'd go about that
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# [13:06] <gcp> git bisect, I guess
# [13:06] <gcp> although how does that even work with repo
# [13:06] <cers> just getting to test the releases was a bit of a challenge
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# [13:39] <RealRaven> how would I check that certain folder exists?
# [13:40] <RealRaven> nsIMsgFolder.filePath.exists() is unreliable
# [13:40] <RealRaven> so I need a way to create a nsIFile instance (without creating a file) to check wheter filePath+".sbd" exists
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# [13:47] <Yoric> Normally, no.
# [13:47] <Yoric> gcp: Normally, no.
# [13:47] <Yoric> I
# [13:47] <Yoric> I'll double-check.
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# [14:58] <Gijs> where am I meant to find a "make version strictly greater than 4.0" ?
# [14:58] <Gijs> for Windows, I mean?
# [14:58] <Gijs> I just installed the latest 'pre' version of mozilla-build, so I'm very confused :s
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# [14:58] <mcsmurf> Gijs: I downloaded the one pointed at https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.dev.platform/S_KXlDKTNQw
# [14:58] <mcsmurf> +in this post
# [14:59] <mcsmurf> which is 4.01 or something..
# [14:59] <Gijs> mcsmurf: but I just upgraded mozilla-build :\
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# [14:59] <Gijs> mcsmurf: and that post says that that would be good enough
# [14:59] <cers> edmorley: well - turns out there seems to be no nightly from that period (at least not one found by mozregression) that shows the dip in performance that 9.0 had
# [14:59] <mcsmurf> heh..
# [14:59] <mcsmurf> what does mozmake -V say?
# [14:59] <Gijs> 4.0
# [14:59] <mcsmurf> or -v maybe
# [15:00] <edmorley> cers: huh strange
# [15:00] <Gijs> "GNU Make 4.0"
# [15:00] <cers> edmorley: but I mean - since I don't know the exact bad date, it's entirely possible that it's a very small range that just so happens to be not tested by mozregression
# [15:02] <mcsmurf> Gijs: maybe the pre version is already out of date again the
# [15:02] <mcsmurf> n
# [15:02] <Gijs> mcsmurf: modified date on it is different than all the other files in msys/bin, so I guess the installer silently skipped upgrading it for whatever reason
# [15:02] <Gijs> either that or it's not included
# [15:02] <Gijs> or it's not where I expected it
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# [15:03] <Gijs> ahhh
# [15:03] <Gijs> so the trouble is I already dumped a version in msys' bin directory
# [15:03] <Gijs> and the one in mozilla-build got put in a separate mozmake directory
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# [15:03] <Gijs> for whatever reason
# [15:04] <Gijs> anyway, the msys bin dir comes first in my $PATH, and so that's what got precedence in the unix shell
# [15:04] <edmorley> cers: yeah true
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# [15:04] <edmorley> cers: I'm presuming the release versions were tested enough times to rule out noise?
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# [15:05] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/d18a4d380644 - Ryan VanderMeulen - Bug 947624 - Upgrade SQLite to version 3.8.2 - Mozilla changes. r=mak
# [15:06] <cers> edmorley: yeah, the test runs the lib 5 times, and at least 10 iterations of the tests are run, then averaged. When the score was way off, I ran additional tries to validate
# [15:07] <cers> just ran it again for 9.0, same result
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# [15:07] <cers> maybe I'll just make mozregression run every nightly in that date-range
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# [15:08] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> jacek: ping
# [15:09] <edmorley> cers: maybe test the beta builds for that version range, in case it was up uplift
# [15:09] <cers> edmorley: yeah, not a bad idea
# [15:10] <jacek> Tomcat|sheriffduty: hi
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# [15:10] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> hey jacek i guess https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=32635912&tree=Mozilla-Inbound is related to your push or ?
# [15:11] <jacek> yes, probably
# [15:11] <jacek> hmm, there must be some include differences on b2g
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# [15:11] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> jacek: i will backout this change or do you think this is a easy fix ?
# [15:12] <Ms2ger> Let's backout :)
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# [15:12] <RyanVM> mmmm...Valgrind
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# [15:12] <jacek> Tomcat|sheriffduty: it's probably easy, but backout will be safer
# [15:13] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> jacek: ok will do
# [15:13] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> thx
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# [15:13] <jacek> thanks and sorry for the problem
# [15:13] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> np :)
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# [15:30] <mhoye> NeilAway: Yeah, that eye tracking, code-reading stuff is the real deal.
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# [15:55] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/403ab3213879 - Morris Tseng - Bug 893304 - Convert CanvasClient to new TextureClint/Host and replace SurfaceDescriptors with TextureClients inside SharedSurfaces. r=nical, r=snorp, r=jgilbert, r=bjacob
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# [15:55] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/7e7ae8cbd023 - Garrett Robinson - Bug 713980 - Log warnings about blocked cross-site requests to the Web Console. r=smaug
# [15:55] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/ea1cb5463063 - Byron Campen [:bwc] - Bug 949708 - Dump RLogRingBuffer on test failures in ice_unittest. r=ekr
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# [15:59] <ekr> Tomcat|sheriffduty: potential impending bustage: https://pastebin.mozilla.org/3959539
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# [16:01] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> ekr: hm which tree is that
# [16:01] <ekr> mozilla-inbound
# [16:01] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> oh
# [16:01] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> RyanVM: ^ if so it would be a bustage from 403ab3213879 i guess
# [16:02] <RyanVM> ekr: better not be the patch you reviewed! :P
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# [16:02] <ekr> Tomcat: I don't think it is!
# [16:02] <RyanVM> heh
# [16:02] <RyanVM> no, it's the texture patch
# [16:02] <RyanVM> apparently 4 reviewers wasn't enough
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# [16:03] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> heh
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# [16:04] <RyanVM> i blame the canadians
# [16:04] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/e281ab880710 - Ryan VanderMeulen - Backed out changeset 403ab3213879 (bug 893304) for bustage.
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# [16:05] <Ms2ger> Blame Canada
# [16:05] <Ms2ger> Blame Canada
# [16:05] <mcsmurf> twice even?
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# [16:05] <mcsmurf> ok ;)
# [16:05] <RyanVM> with their beady little eyes and flappin heads all full of lies
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# [16:15] <RyanVM> bjacob: I thought we had build system checks for headers being in the right order, so I'm surprised it didn't complain about that patch
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# [16:15] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/1470c1a77e8b - Byron Campen [:bwc] - Bug 950990 - NrIceCtx::ice_completed is fired even on failed contexts, so do not mark such contexts as completed. r=abr
# [16:15] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/47ffc320ef0c - Alessio Placitelli - Bug 950762 - Add fallible AppendUTF16toUTF8 and make DOMParser::ParseFromString fallible. r=jst, r=bsmedberg
# [16:16] <bjacob_> RyanVM: do you mean *exporting* headers (in moz.build) ?
# [16:17] <RyanVM> no, in the cpp fiels
# [16:17] <Ms2ger> RyanVM, only in jseng
# [16:17] <RyanVM> oh...
# [16:17] <bjacob_> ah ok
# [16:17] <RyanVM> anyway, probably a good practice anyway :)
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# [16:18] <bjacob_> Ms2ger: i'm surprised, what is the rationale for wanting to include headers alphabetically? i thought good practice was roughly include headers from "most local" (e.g. MyClass.h) to "most general" (e.g. <iostream>) so as to minimize the risk of accidentally relying on one header to be included before another one
# [16:18] <RyanVM> abr: ekr: FTR, if you guys don't care who's landing things, checkin-needed is preferable to checkin?
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# [16:19] <ekr> RyanVM: thanks, but don't you mean bwc in this case :)
# [16:19] <RyanVM> in this case, sure
# [16:19] <RyanVM> but I see it pretty commonly amongst the webrtc patches
# [16:19] <abr> RyanVM -- Thanks. I'll keep that in mind.
# [16:19] <ekr> RyanVM: thanks. I generally try
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# [16:19] <RyanVM> thanks :)
# [16:20] <ekr> bjacob_: the order I tend to prefer is alphabetical within groups going from most general to most local.
# [16:20] <Ms2ger> bjacob_, because that's painful to maintain
# [16:20] <abr> RyanVM -- I think part of why we're doing that is that we like having a specific person tagged to take care of it. I assume that doing both would be at least as good as just doing [checkin-needed], right?
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# [16:21] <ekr> (or rather: http://google-styleguide.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/cppguide.xml#Names_and_Order_of_Includes)
# [16:21] <ekr> though with that said, couldn't we like have tools that detect this stuff?
# [16:21] <RyanVM> abr: well, the issue is that our tool can clear checkin-needed automatically when commenting in the bug, but it can't set checkin+, so it's extra steps to manually clear it
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# [16:21] <Ms2ger> bjacob_, and just including the module header first in its cpp file is usually good enough to avoid weird deps
# [16:21] <bjacob_> Ms2ger: so a funny consequence of such a policy is that one can't anymore rename headers without risking breaking the build
# [16:21] <RyanVM> abr: and checkin-needed pushing is a daily job for me, so there's *someone* doing it :P
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# [16:22] <Ms2ger> bjacob_, I tend to follow the policy that I expect any compiled code change can break the build :)
# [16:23] <abr> RyanVM -- Yes, I know, and you're quite good about it. I guess in practical terms, it's not a problem. It does sound like a tools shortcoming, though -- wouldn't this be relatively easy to fix?
# [16:23] <bjacob_> Ms2ger: there used to be exceptions, such as, "i just renamed a file".
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# [16:23] <Ms2ger> bjacob_, then again, I've heard claims that "i just renamed a file" needs a CLOBBER touch :)
# [16:23] <RyanVM> abr: assuming it was always clear which patches needed checkin? changed, but I also don't know what can be done over bzapi/rest and what can't
# [16:23] <bjacob_> bz: we can't support all your crazy tier 3 platforms
# [16:24] <RyanVM> bjacob_: it's like some people just dont' like a challenge or something
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# [16:24] <abr> RyanVM: Ah, yes, that's the other issue. When there are multiple patches on a bug and not all of them should be landed, whiteboard notations are at the wrong level.
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# [16:25] <Ms2ger> abr, "When there are multiple patches on a bug and not all of them should be landed" is not the common case, though
# [16:25] <RyanVM> bjacob_: but fwiw, when I'm talking about alphabetizing in this context, I'm referring to things like |#include "mozilla/layers/GrallocTextureClient.h"| coming after |#include "mozilla/layers/TextureClient.h"|
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# [16:25] <abr> Ms2ger: That may be true, but for the specific case that triggered this conversation, it very much is.
# [16:25] <bjacob_> RyanVM: and that
# [16:26] <RyanVM> bjacob_: doesn't seem likely that being alphabetical there is going to increase bustage risk :)
# [16:26] <abr> The bug has 14 patches on it, and they've been landing over the course of months.
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# [16:26] <RyanVM> abr: checkin? is perfect for multi-patch bugs
# [16:26] <RyanVM> that's really waht it's for IMO :)
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# [16:26] <bjacob_> RyanVM: and that's exactly what i would object to, for the reason mentioned above: i prefer to have more specific headers included first, so that we can't accidentally have them rely on other headers being already included for them
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# [16:26] <RyanVM> for a single-patch bug, though, checkin?/+ doesn't make as much sense
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# [16:27] <abr> RyanVM: Okay, so I'll use that as the rule of thumb: single patch, use the whiteboard. Multi-patch, use [checkin?]. Sound good?
# [16:27] <RyanVM> bjacob_: so this makes sense to you?
# [16:28] <RyanVM> bjacob_: #include "mozilla/layers/TextureClient.h" // for TextureClient, etc
# [16:28] <RyanVM> #include "mozilla/layers/GrallocTextureClient.h"
# [16:28] <RyanVM> #include "mozilla/layers/TextureClientOGL.h"
# [16:28] <RyanVM> abr: multi-patch being "not all landing at the same time"
# [16:28] <abr> RyanVM: Right.
# [16:28] <abr> Thanks.
# [16:28] <RyanVM> yes, sounds perfect :)
# [16:28] <RyanVM> thank you!
# [16:28] <Ms2ger> bjacob_, I think that's a lot more work for very little gain
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# [16:28] <bjacob_> RyanVM: If a file must include these three headers, I would like TextureClient.h to be included last, so that the other two headers can't accidentally rely on it
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# [16:28] <Ms2ger> bjacob_, and in particular, not machine-checkable
# [16:28] <bjacob_> Ms2ger: it's a standard coding rule in other projects, such as Qt
# [16:29] <RyanVM> bjacob_: ok, I'm just going to point out that I stole that from the patch in question :P
# [16:29] <Ms2ger> bjacob_, and as long as you include GrallocTextureClient.h first in GrallocTextureClient.cpp and TextureClientOGL.h first in TextureClientOGL.cpp, there's no way for them to depend on TextureClient.h
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# [16:29] <Ms2ger> bjacob_, otoh, your approach allows TextureClient.h to depend on the others
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# [16:30] <bjacob__> RyanVM: yeah ok not saying i agree or disagree with a particular patch, just mentioning the coding rule that i try to follow myself, that may or may not agree with alphabetical order
# [16:31] <Ms2ger> bjacob__, but my main issue is that I don't want to have to think about it, that's just a waste of everyone's time
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# [16:32] <bjacob__> Ms2ger: so might be a IMO arbitrary rule about including headers alphabetically!
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# [16:34] <Ms2ger> bjacob__, with an alphabetical order, you can write a script to check the correctness, so that reviewers don't need to look at it, and you can use your editor's sorting facilities to put a new include in its correct place, so a lot less human time is wasted
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# [16:35] <bjacob__> Ms2ger: but rules for the sake of rules is pointless, so you must know something specific about alphabetical order that is beneficial
# [16:36] <bjacob__> Ms2ger: i mentioned something beneficial about the order that i like
# [16:36] <Ms2ger> bjacob__, it saves time wondering where an include should go
# [16:36] <Ms2ger> bjacob__, and arguing about it :)
# [16:37] <Ms2ger> bjacob__, right now, when you add an include, you need to first figure out if there's some pre-existing order you should follow
# [16:38] <Ms2ger> bjacob__, and I already rebuffed the benefit of your order :)
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# [16:40] <firebot> bz was last seen 19 minutes and 28 seconds ago, saying '* bz guesses 10%' in #developers.
# [16:40] <nemo> heh. you know, firefox really should make profiles easier
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# [16:40] <nemo> listening to coworker
# [16:40] <nemo> "I like to keep my network management separate from my regular browsing, so I use chrome for all the network management activities, and firefox for everything else"
# [16:41] <nemo> which is fine, I guess, but someone who has no idea that he could just use 2 profiles :)
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# [16:41] <gcp> I use Chrome too when debugging. Clicking chrome icon for MDN/Android doc lookup is easier than messing with profile manager.
# [16:42] <mcsmurf> I use IE
# [16:42] <mcsmurf> :/
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# [16:44] <gcp> That doesn't run on Linux.
# [16:44] <bz> Yoric: yes?
# [16:44] <SJW> Has anyone here mod access on bugzilla?
# [16:44] <bz> mod acess?
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# [16:44] <SJW> to remove / hide comments or attachements
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# [16:45] <Yoric> bz: There's a new contributor interested in working on bug 955860.
# [16:45] <Yoric> I told him he could ask questions, but he's over #introduction.
# [16:45] <Yoric> I told him he could ask *you* questions, but he's over #introduction.
# [16:45] <bz> SJW: there is no such thing, generally
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# [16:45] <bz> SJW: I mean, it requires manual SQL ops
# [16:45] <bz> SJW: but start by mailing Gerv?
# [16:45] <Yoric> So it would be great if you could /join #introduction, in case he has any question.
# [16:45] <SJW> I've seen an attachement that maight include sensitive data
# [16:45] <Ms2ger> Or filing a bug in bmo::admin, I think
# [16:46] <bz> Yoric: talking to him in /query right now
# [16:46] <mcsmurf> you can change the visibility of comments
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# [16:46] <Yoric> Ah, good.
# [16:46] <mcsmurf> to a very small group of users iirc
# [16:46] <mcsmurf> but not sure who can do that
# [16:46] <mcsmurf> it's certainly possible
# [16:46] <mcsmurf> (without any SQL hacking)
# [16:46] <bz> Well, I mean the comment can be restricted to moco or security-group or both
# [16:46] <SJW> bz: where can I find grev's mail address?
# [16:47] <bz> SJW: gerv at mozilla dot org
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# [16:49] <bz> Ah, and as usual I can't even _pull_ on Windows
# [16:49] <bz> Thus is dumb
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# [16:51] <jhopkins> vlad: the 'date' branch should probably get a refresh - no checkins since sept. 24
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# [17:49] <Ms2ger> mhoye, I think that would be awful first bugs, actually
# [17:49] <Ms2ger> mhoye, because you're basically asking "what should this code actually do"
# [17:49] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/83bc132d37f3 - Gijs Kruitbosch - Bug 636374 - don't show multiple onbeforeunload prompts, r=bz
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# [17:52] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/7e26630c50f4 - Hannes Verschore - Bug 956361 - IonMonkey: Add extra debugging code for optimization levels, r=jandem
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# [17:54] <@bsmedberg> Ms2ger: that doesn't sound awful to me. I'd expect most of the time the meaning to be pretty clear from context.
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# [17:56] <nemo> ugh. found a truly horrid site
# [17:56] <nemo> thecodeplayer.com
# [17:56] <mhoye> Ms2ger: I can imagine cases where that's ugly, sure, but I expect most cases will amount to "make explicit what was implicit, with just four characters!"
# [17:56] <nemo> what's truly horrid is how it interacts with Firefox
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# [17:57] <nemo> I decided to foolishly play http://thecodeplayer.com/walkthrough/perspective-mockups-css3-3d-transforms
# [17:57] <nemo> watch it for a while, then decide I get the point, try to go back in history. can't
# [17:57] <nemo> as it is busy playing away, you can't use the back button, you can't focus the url bar, you can't use the search bar
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# [17:58] <nemo> you can obviously press pause in the player at the bottom of the screen, but people have to realise this
# [17:58] <nemo> and, IMO, the browser behaviour, not good.
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# [17:58] <nemo> and ofc completely screws up the tab history
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# [18:04] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/8665e3aedd3d - Ryan VanderMeulen - Backed out changeset 5428d3c1a8e4 (bug 893836) for robocop orange.
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# [18:06] <RyanVM> snorp: I think you missed the bikeshed convo earlier about header ordering
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# [18:06] <snorp> RyanVM: thankfully :)
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# [18:06] <snorp> woo
# [18:06] <RyanVM> snorp: but I think there was some agreement at least that there are includes that could be better ordered in that patch vs. how they were done
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# [18:07] <RyanVM> for example: 10:32:01 AM - RyanVM: […] #include "mozilla/layers/TextureClient.h" // for TextureClient, etc
# [18:07] <RyanVM> 10:32:01 AM - RyanVM: #include "mozilla/layers/GrallocTextureClient.h"
# [18:07] <RyanVM> 10:32:01 AM - RyanVM: #include "mozilla/layers/TextureClientOGL.h"
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# [18:07] <RyanVM> IIUC bjacob correctly, TextureClient.h should be after the other 2
# [18:07] <Ms2ger> But we don't agree where it should go instead :)
# [18:07] <Ms2ger> Because it obviously should go in the middle
# [18:07] <RyanVM> lol
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# [18:07] <RyanVM> so it's wrong, we just can't agree on how :P
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# [18:29] <Gijs> TimAbraldes: ping
# [18:30] <TimAbraldes> Gijs: pong
# [18:30] <Gijs> TimAbraldes: I'm poking at (D) from https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=616853#c39 - do you know where the code is that deals with destroying the prompt/dialog/thingamebob in a tab when that tab is closed?
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# [18:33] <TimAbraldes> Gijs: I think I can find it; just a second
# [18:33] <matthewgertner> what's the best way to be alerted whenever the focused window changes?
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# [18:33] <matthewgertner> I was kind of hoping nsIWindowWatcher would facilitate this, but I can't see anything applicable there
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# [18:34] <matthewgertner> or do I just have to listen for DOM focus events on all windows?
# [18:34] <Gijs> matthewgertner: can't you just listen for focus/blur event on the window you're interested in?
# [18:35] <matthewgertner> Gijs: when I'm interested whenever focus changes
# [18:35] <matthewgertner> so yeah, I can listen for focus/blur on every window if that's the best way
# [18:35] <Gijs> why are you interested in that ? :)
# [18:35] <matthewgertner> to implement chrome.windows.onFocusChanged :-)
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# [18:37] <RyanVM> nical: inbound orange
# [18:37] <RyanVM> nical: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=32643748&tree=Mozilla-Inbound
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# [18:38] <matthewgertner> anyway I can use DOM events, just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something obvious
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# [18:39] <Gijs> matthewgertner: don't know, I'm not an authority
# [18:39] <matthewgertner> Gijs: I trawled around nsFocusManager for a while, probably DOM events are the way to go
# [18:39] <matthewgertner> at least I couldn't see any other way
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# [18:41] <nical> RyanVM: I am looking at this, it doesn't look related
# [18:41] <nical> digging
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# [18:43] <Gijs> TimAbraldes: isn't the implementation in http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/toolkit/components/prompts/src/nsPrompter.js ?
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# [18:44] <Gijs> TimAbraldes: I don't see anything in there that deals with the tab going away
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# [18:45] <Gijs> (which makes me wonder why/how we're quitting/crashing in those cases)
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# [18:46] <TimAbraldes> Gijs: I think that file just deals with opening the prompt
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# [18:47] <TimAbraldes> Gijs: and the prompt is implemented in https://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/toolkit/components/prompts/content/commonDialog.xul
# [18:47] <Gijs> TimAbraldes: hrm. Where is that doc inserted?
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# [18:48] <Gijs> and would it be unloaded if you closed the tab?
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# [18:49] <TimAbraldes> Gijs: I think this is where we insert the dialog - http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/toolkit/components/prompts/src/nsPrompter.js#484
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# [18:50] <nical> RyanVM: actually it looks like i messed 2 lines up while doing the last rebase
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# [18:50] <nical> RyanVM: can I push a quick fix or should we back it all out ?
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# [18:51] <RyanVM> if you're sure about the fix, go ahead and push
# [18:51] <nical> RyanVM: Ok thanks, i need to reboot, i'll land the fix in 5 mins
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# [18:54] <TimAbraldes> Gijs: it's possible that the prompt itself isn't the one causing the crash... in nsDocumentViewer we might be doing something wrong if the user tries to navigate while the prompt is showing - https://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/layout/base/nsDocumentViewer.cpp#1064
# [18:54] <Gijs> TimAbraldes: why would that be wrong?
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# [18:54] <Gijs> TimAbraldes: it basically means that if a dialog is up and you try to navigate, we always let you.
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# [18:54] <Gijs> that's fine
# [18:55] <Gijs> TimAbraldes: basically, what I guess we should do is if you ignore the modal prompt in the window closure/shutdown case, we should cancel the window close/shutdown
# [18:55] <Gijs> I'm just trying to figure out where that ought to happen and how.
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# [18:55] <Gijs> TimAbraldes: funnily enough nsIContentViewer already has a "ResetCloseWindow" method but it's never used
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# [19:00] <TimAbraldes> Gijs: I agree that we should treat the case where you ignore the prompt (by navigating or switching tabs or maybe some other action) as canceling the close/shutdown... I think it might be easiest to do that by just treating those actions as equivalent to pressing "stay on page"
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# [19:02] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/ff328828dfda - Nicolas Silva - Bug 938591 - Fix a test on a CLOSED TREE. r=me
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# [19:03] <@ehsan> jcranmer: hi
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# [19:04] <jcranmer> ehsan: is it possible to stop force-including Char16.h now?
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# [19:05] <@ehsan> jcranmer: no, we still need char16_t in compilers that don't support it
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# [19:06] <jcranmer> ehsan: well, if we were to, say, stick it in nscore.h
# [19:07] <jcranmer> or wherever we used to typedef PRUnichar manually
# [19:07] <Ms2ger> jcranmer, hmm, how about jseng?
# [19:07] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> nical: thanks
# [19:07] <jcranmer> Ms2ger: wherever they used to define jschar :-)
# [19:07] <nical> RyanVM|sheriffduty: np, sorry about that
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# [19:08] <Ms2ger> jcranmer, DRY!
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# [19:08] <@ehsan> jcranmer: the issue is, there is no header except for mozilla-config.h which is included in enough places
# [19:08] <jcranmer> much like how we only include NullPtr.h where we "need" to use it
# [19:08] <Waldo> jcranmer: actually a part of me thinks the nullptr definition should be force-included as well
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# [19:09] <jcranmer> force-inclusion does fun things like include a C++-only-header in C code
# [19:09] <Gijs> TimAbraldes: mmhmm.
# [19:09] <jcranmer> or includes it in code built before mfbt
# [19:09] <Gijs> TimAbraldes: looks like aborting the dialog doesn't set the button that was pressed to anything
# [19:09] <Waldo> jcranmer: see, that latter is something we should fix
# [19:10] * Gijs suspects the C++ code casts to int and gets '0' which is 'leave page'
# [19:10] <Waldo> jcranmer: and the former, well, we should change our command lines so that the inclusion is on the correct language-by-language basis
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# [19:11] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/49de12be81eb - Brian Smith - Bug 933109: Add tests to verify that we retry OCSP when we have a cached Unknown response, r=keeler, a=test-only
# [19:11] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/79166ec900e3 - Brian Smith - Bug 952876: Add test for bug 952808 (OCSP stapling not honored when there is a error entry in the OCSP cache), r=keeler, a=test-only
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# [19:11] <Gijs> Hrm, or not
# [19:11] <Waldo> jcranmer: also we need a force-include to be able to use UINT32_MAX, PRId32, and INT64_C macros, due to <stdint.h> rules about those macros being exposed being dumb
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# [19:12] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> tn: I've been noticing lately that on reddit pages with lots of thumbnails, the thumbnails will often all disappear and reappear at the same time (like they're being discarded and redecoded). Are you aware of any open bugs on that?
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# [19:14] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> tn: nevermind, I think it's on my end
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# [19:15] <catlee> ehsan: any objections to having a separate mozconfig for the non-unified builds?
# [19:16] <@ehsan> jcranmer: the difference with nullptr is that all of our supported compilers support it
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# [19:16] <@ehsan> catlee: whatever is easiest for you, we can refactor the common stuff in common mozconfigs and just source them
# [19:16] <jcranmer> ehsan: I beg to differ
# [19:16] <jcranmer> gcc 4.6 is the first version to implement nullptr
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# [19:16] <bz> http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/nightly/ only has debug nightlies for beta?
# [19:16] <@ehsan> right
# [19:17] <@ehsan> jcranmer: s/all/most/
# [19:17] <jcranmer> most of our compilers support char16_t as well
# [19:17] <jcranmer> it's only MSVC that's a lazy bastard and doesn't implement it
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# [19:17] <@ehsan> I guess you're right!
# [19:17] <@ehsan> I don't know, we may be able to make it work by including it in nscore.h and elsewhere as neeeded
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# [19:18] <@ehsan> jcranmer: why do you want it out of mozilla-config.h?
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# [19:18] <bz> This is making no sense
# [19:18] <jcranmer> mostly because I want it to stop being used in C files
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# [19:19] <bz> When did we spin up our last beta?
# [19:19] <@ehsan> jcranmer: the msvc headers do define char16_t for both C and C++
# [19:19] <@ehsan> jcranmer: I did not dare break that :/
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# [19:19] <bz> FIREFOX_27_0b2_RELEASE
# [19:19] <@ehsan> bz: iirc before the holidays
# [19:19] <@ehsan> bz: also iirc mitchel did that
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# [19:19] <bz> is what I seem to have
# [19:19] <bz> OK
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# [19:19] <bz> I see
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# [19:19] <@ehsan> bz: http://oduinn.com/blog/2013/12/29/mitchell-baker-and-firefox-27-0-beta2/
# [19:20] <bz> yeah, I remember that
# [19:20] <bz> I thought we did betas weekly!
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# [19:21] <@ehsan> jcranmer: anyways, that's the only reason we have char16_t in C, but I can experiment with removing it from C and seeing what happens if you want
# [19:21] <bz> alright, that explains what I'm seeing
# [19:21] <jcranmer> please
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# [19:21] <@ehsan> jcranmer: also the other reason is that PRUnichar existed in C
# [19:21] <@ehsan> that may give us additional pain
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# [19:22] <jcranmer> ehsan: I see 0 of uses PRUnichar in a .c file outside of NSPR/NSS
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# [19:23] <@ehsan> jcranmer: that's good news
# [19:23] <@ehsan> I hadn't checked
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# [19:23] <jcranmer> (well, there's one use, but it's in a comment and doesn't count)
# [19:23] <ejpbruel> bz: ping
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# [19:24] <bz> ejpbruel: ack
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# [19:24] <ejpbruel> bz: having some problems with the dom bindings
# [19:24] <Ms2ger> Shoot
# [19:24] <Ms2ger> Or in #content, I guess
# [19:24] <ejpbruel> bz: I'm trying to make a custom wrapper for a worker (the debuggable worker thing)
# [19:24] <ejpbruel> bz: i have a patch that should work, but doesnt
# [19:25] <ejpbruel> bz: I'm likely missing something trivial
# [19:25] <ejpbruel> bz: care to take a quick look at it?
# [19:25] <bz> Sure
# [19:25] <bz> pastebin it?
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# [19:25] <ejpbruel> bz: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/3960650
# [19:26] <ejpbruel> bz: when i call getOrCreateDebuggable from JS, nothing happens
# [19:26] <ejpbruel> bz: the script doesn't continue, so its probably some uncatchable exception
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# [19:29] <bz> ejpbruel: reading
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# [19:32] <bz> ejpbruel: so you verified that the getOrCreateDebuggable method is present?
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# [19:32] <ejpbruel> bz: let me check
# [19:33] <ejpbruel> bz: confirmed, its present
# [19:33] <ejpbruel> bz i suspect somehow the object I'm returning doesn't get wrapped properly?
# [19:33] <bz> can I see the generated code for this function?
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# [19:34] <bz> ejpbruel: ^
# [19:35] * bz would try himself, but this patch doesn't apply to his tree
# [19:35] <ejpbruel> bz: one second
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# [19:37] <Waldo> ehsan: wait, when did we drop support for gcc 4.5 and below? doesn't b2g still require it?
# [19:38] <@ehsan> Waldo: b2g needs 4.4
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# [19:38] <@ehsan> and we haven't dropped support for b2g yet ;)
# [19:38] <Waldo> *stab*
# [19:38] <Waldo> lack of true nullptr creates incredible pain for UniquePtr, somewhat surprisingly
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# [19:39] <Waldo> and not always pain that can be worked around
# [19:39] <ejpbruel> bz: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/3960756
# [19:40] <@ehsan> Waldo: how so?
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# [19:40] <bz> ejpbruel: I don't see getOrCreateDebuggable in there
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# [19:40] <bz> ejpbruel: I mean the WorkerBinding, not the WorkerDebuggableBinding
# [19:40] <Waldo> ehsan: there's an operator=(decltype(nullptr)) on UniquePtr, but no operator=(T*), by design
# [19:40] <ejpbruel> bz: oh, I'm sorry, i misunderstood your question
# [19:40] <ejpbruel> bz: coming up
# [19:40] <bz> ejpbruel: since the former is what's failing, right?
# [19:41] <Waldo> ehsan: same for the reset() method
# [19:41] <Waldo> ehsan: also same for the constructor
# [19:41] <@ehsan> Waldo: can't we use void* for 4.4?
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# [19:41] <ejpbruel> bz: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/3960767
# [19:42] <Waldo> ehsan: not always; reset() does have a reset(T*) flavor, so having reset(void*) too would result in an ambiguity
# [19:42] <Waldo> ehsan: and it's not quite as simple as just always using the reset(T*) flavor
# [19:43] <Waldo> ehsan: because in fact it's not reset(T*), but sometimes reset(T*), and sometimes reset(something else)
# [19:43] <@ehsan> hmm
# [19:43] <@ehsan> Waldo: can't we use SFINAE to differentiate between the two resets?
# [19:43] <Waldo> ehsan: we already are in the patches there
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# [19:44] <@ehsan> hmm, ok
# [19:44] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/32b6a69436de - Patrick McManus - bug 956890 - nshttpconnectioninfo should use ns_inline_decl_refcounting r=sworkman
# [19:44] <Waldo> ehsan: it's really non-trivial to get it all right
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# [19:44] <@ehsan> I believe you
# [19:44] <Waldo> ehsan: probably I spent at least a couple days over the break doodling on gcc 4.5-specific issues here, which would have been entirely unnecessary if I could rely on true nullptr
# [19:45] <bz> ejpbruel: ok, well, this is calling the right thing...
# [19:45] <@ehsan> yeah
# [19:45] <bz> WrapNewBindingObject, that is
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# [19:46] <bz> ejpbruel: try just stepping through that code to see what's up?
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# [19:46] <ejpbruel> bz: yeah, ill try that. ill get back to you if i get stuck. thanks
# [19:46] <bz> ejpbruel: oh
# [19:46] <bz> ejpbruel: wait
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# [19:46] <ejpbruel> bz: ?
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# [19:46] <bz> ejpbruel: Where do you call SetIsDOMBinding() on your object?
# [19:46] <ejpbruel> bz: ah!
# [19:47] * bz wouldn't think this would silently abort the script, but....
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# [19:47] <bz> Oh
# [19:47] <bz> but it does
# [19:47] <bz> that's sucky
# [19:47] <ejpbruel> bz: oops :)
# [19:47] <bz> s.
# [19:47] <bz> 681 if (!couldBeDOMBinding) {
# [19:47] <bz> 682 return false;
# [19:47] <bz> 683 }
# [19:47] <bz> but without throwing anything
# [19:48] <bz> So yes, uncatchable and unreportable exception
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# [19:48] <bz> we should really have something better here
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# [19:50] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/de68c6ddc8fd - Andrea Marchesini - Bug 949488 - postMessage's targetOrigin argument should accept /, r=bholley
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# [19:53] <ejpbruel> bz: actually, isn't SetIsDOMBinding called in nsDOMEventTargetHelper?
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# [19:55] <bz> ejpbruel: You're not calling any of them explicitly, and the default one doesn't
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# [19:55] <tanner> hey all, I'm trying to attach Firefox to a debugger to figure get a trace for bug 955878 but whenever i do that, Firefox just freezes up, and never crashes. somebody else has tried the same thing, and the same has happened with him.
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# [20:07] <cpeterso_> mccr8: ICC question: What is the difference between the dom.icc.enabled and dom.cycle_collector.incremental prefs?
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# [20:08] <sfink> RyanVM|sheriffduty: I hope I'm not interfering with your tree decorating over in b2g18 land. You seem like you're having fun with it.
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# [20:09] <mccr8> cpeterso_: I think somebody just put the wrong pref in the notes, I'll update it, thanks!
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# [20:09] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> sfink: lol
# [20:09] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> have at it
# [20:09] <@smaug> cpeterso_: icc is something else
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# [20:10] <cpeterso_> mccr8, smaug: thanks
# [20:10] <@smaug> mccr8: now everyone tries some b2g API on desktop :p
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# [20:10] <mccr8> oh there is an icc thing in there. hah.
# [20:10] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> briansmith: looks like m-b doesn't like the ocsp_caching test you landed
# [20:10] <briansmith> RyanVM|sheriffduty: thank you. I will back it out
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# [20:11] <briansmith> RyanVM|sheriffduty: I am in an important meeting; could you bounce the checkin for me please? (sorry)
# [20:11] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> no prob
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# [20:15] <briansmith> thanks
# [20:16] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/bd3039d008e9 - Ryan VanderMeulen - Backed out changeset 79166ec900e3 (bug 952876) for xpcshell orange. a=backout
# [20:16] <bz> ejpbruel: did that help?
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# [20:36] <Waldo> mhoye: I have Code Complete 2ed. if you want anything looked up, and can quickly point me toward what you want to know
# [20:37] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> botond: ping
# [20:37] <botond> RyanVM|sheriffduty: pong
# [20:37] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> botond: for bug 940257
# [20:37] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> is what you said for trunk true for aurora (v1.3) as well?
# [20:37] <Waldo> haven't read it myself, tho, so I can't find stuff in it except by ToC or searching for keywords
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# [20:38] <botond> RyanVM|sheriffduty: one sec, i have to check whether a certain patch (that makes this unnecessary) made it into 1.3
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# [20:38] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> ok
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# [20:40] <botond> RyanVM|sheriffduty: it's been uplifted to 1.3. so yeah, the bug 940257 patches are 1.2-only
# [20:40] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> great, thanks
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# [20:50] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/91002487d440 - Terrence Cole - Bug 955660 - Fix an exact rooting hazard in CallSetup; r=bz
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# [20:58] <@bsmedberg> Does NS_FAILED(bool) fail to compile?
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# [21:01] <@smaug> bsmedberg: yes
# [21:01] <@bsmedberg> does `if (rv)` also fail to compile?
# [21:02] <@smaug> error: value of type 'nsresult' (aka 'tag_nsresult') is not contextually convertible to 'bool'
# [21:02] <@smaug> so, yes
# [21:02] <dmajor> bsmedberg: smaug: does it depend on which definition of nsresult your compiler uses?
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# [21:02] <@smaug> possibly
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# [21:03] <@bsmedberg> Yeah, don't care much as long as it breaks the tree.
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# [21:06] <mhoye> Waldo: If you've got the citations for the bit about laying out whitespace, I'll take them.
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# [21:13] <Waldo> mhoye: is https://pastebin.mozilla.org/3961242 what you want?
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# [21:16] <@bz> So why 4 instead of 2?
# [21:16] <@bz> 6 is claimed too much
# [21:16] <@bz> none is bad
# [21:16] <@bz> but what about 2 vs 4?
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# [21:17] <@bz> I should note that for the common case of "if" 2-space has a measurable benefit over 4-space:
# [21:17] <@bz> it makes it clear where the condition ends and body begins
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# [21:19] <mhoye> I don't think "why" is an answerable question here?
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# [21:20] <@bz> well
# [21:20] <@bz> I don't mean "why is 4 more readable?"
# [21:20] <@bz> I mean "why select 4 over 2?"
# [21:20] <mhoye> From what I can see in the research, the optimum is either 3 or 4.
# [21:20] <@bz> hmm
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# [21:20] <@bz> What you cited says "two to four"
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# [21:20] <mhoye> Yeah, I've got some other stuff I'm going to follow up with.
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# [21:21] <@bz> I mean, if there's research that says 4 is more readable than 2, great. ;)
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# [21:21] * @bz will wait. ;)
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# [21:21] <mhoye> Man, have you ever tried wading through the IEEE-search-tool sewer?
# [21:21] <mhoye> Give me a minute!
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# [21:22] <derf> The best way to search IEEEExplore is Google.
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# [21:22] <mhoye> "We have all the knowledge and research you can ever want, and it will cost you $20/paper and miserable hours of your life to even begin to see it!"
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# [21:22] <mcsmurf> heh
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# [21:23] <mcsmurf> or an university that pays for it :) wonder how much an university pays per year
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# [21:24] <Waldo> I think $50-$100k was what I remember hearing as MIT's cost for a JSTOR subscription a few years ago
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# [21:24] <Waldo> which gives you some vague guess
# [21:24] <@bz> mcsmurf: there are probably gag orders keeping them from disclosing. :(
# [21:24] <mcsmurf> not bad... (for IEEE)
# [21:24] <@bz> mcsmurf: much like NSLs.
# [21:25] <mcsmurf> yeah..
# [21:25] <mhoye> Find a promising hint of research -> find the citation -> of course you can't click that, what did you think this was, modernity? -> copy the citation into Google -> go to the IEEE site -> get the actual paper's citation -> attempt to decode the abstract -> seriously, fuck this -> copy and paste the paper title into Google -> see if the original is still on line somewhere -> oh great it's not fantastic -> fuck this, seriously -> bourbon.
# [21:25] <Waldo> four spaces is really bad for ifs, definitely
# [21:25] <mhoye> There's a process.
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# [21:26] <sheeri> mhoye: that does stink. At least you didn't have to search the stacks to find that it was gone, missing, maybe isn't shelved in the right place...
# [21:26] <sheeri> with the internet you can curse loudly and nobody shushes you :D
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# [21:26] <@smaug> mcsmurf: yes, that is another good reason to stay as a student forever
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# [21:27] <mcsmurf> smaug: yeah, I'll see if I can keep an account at some university system :)
# [21:27] <mcsmurf> to have access to all those websites the university pays for
# [21:28] <Waldo> mm, accounts
# [21:28] <mcsmurf> (as I'll probably leave university this year :O)
# [21:28] * Waldo wonders if his account ever got JSTOR back after that little debacle at MIT a few years back now
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# [21:29] <@bz> mcsmurf: Workedforme.... ;)
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# [21:29] <Callek> mhoye: relatedly you just pinged most of IT/releng who are in this channel with your alchohol choice --- :-)
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# [21:29] <@bz> waldo: I would think libproxy will give you JSTOR
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# [21:29] <Callek> should have chosen something stronger
# [21:29] <Callek> :-P
# [21:29] <Waldo> bz: at one point, I think shortly after Swartz did his number on things, my affiliate account would no longer get me into JSTOR articles :-(
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# [21:31] <mcsmurf> bz: at worst I would have to pay ~130$ per semester (six month) as this is the study fee over here; but I think I can convince some nice person to keep my account on some system that's not connected to my student status ;)
# [21:31] <@bz> waldo: huh
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# [21:31] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> nical: ping
# [21:32] <@smaug> mcsmurf: expensive
# [21:32] <@smaug> well, 2x what it is here
# [21:32] <mcsmurf> smaug: I think in other countries (like USA) it's waaaay more expensive :D
# [21:32] <mcsmurf> smaug: hey, I can drive around with public transport all day for that ;)
# [21:33] <mcsmurf> (except I dont want to)
# [21:33] <mhoye> Callek: Is that some sort of protective mechanism?
# [21:33] <mhoye> "If somebody from ops says "fuck this" and "bourbon" in the same sentence, suspend their LDAP account for 12 hours just in case."
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# [21:33] <Callek> mhoye: theory is, if someone is discussing that, we all want to know about it so we can try and sneak into the room and drink some
# [21:33] <Callek> :-)
# [21:34] <Callek> in the "other" uses of the word, its for serious issues in IT
# [21:34] <Waldo> nope, still no JSTOR :-(
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# [21:34] <Waldo> maybe I should go directly to the library and ask if that can be fixed or something
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# [21:35] <sheeri> that is true, but not many IT people are around on here :D
# [21:35] * @bz ponders putting in a vote for 0 columns as opposed to infinite columns
# [21:35] <@bz> One
# [21:35] <@bz> token
# [21:35] <@bz> per
# [21:35] <@bz> line
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# [21:36] <@bz> huh
# [21:36] <@bz> | Your authentication credentials are inadequate for access to this licensed content due to an "e-control" error. |
# [21:36] <@bz> when I try to hit jstor via libproxy
# [21:37] <@bz> sadfaces
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# [21:37] <mhoye> "E-Control" sounds like an error generated in the 50's.
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# [21:37] <Waldo> bz: yeah
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# [21:38] <Waldo> that's exactly what I get, too
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# [21:42] * Ms2ger would try, but eh, vpn
# [21:42] <Waldo> mhoye: incidentally, the bunch of text on formatting in the surrounding pages of CC2 sometimes cites interesting data, but other times it seems to make bald-faced assertions that are just not justified, IMO
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# [21:42] <benjamin> the trick is to be involved in a lazy department that never cleans up its accounts
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# [21:43] <abr> mhoye: It's not perfect, but are you familiar with scholar.google.com?
# [21:43] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/b4dabccb06b8 - Ryan VanderMeulen - Backed out changeset d1b5408d946f (bug 952087) for Android reftest failures.
# [21:43] <abr> It's better than normal google search for finding this kind of research.
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# [21:43] <abr> For some small, but still non-zero, value of "better."
# [21:44] <Waldo> like how it says that |loop-start / { / <TAB> statement; / <TAB> statement; / } | is bad because the braces aren't part of the control construct, but aren't part of the statements after it either -- failing to understand that braces used that way should, to the reader, be considered as part of the loop control even if that's not what the strict language grammar says
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# [21:44] <Waldo> the whole point of picking a style is to not use the exact language grammar as written, but to create a subset of it
# [21:45] <Waldo> moving any braces from loop bodies, into the loop statement itself, is not a failure to indent, under that understanding
# [21:45] <abr> mhoye -- And, yes, I tried finding studies for code as opposed to natural languages (there seem to be a lot of papers on English and Chinese), but came up empty.
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# [21:49] <mhoye> Me too.
# [21:50] <mhoye> I've contacted some people who've written papers referencing promising leads. We'll see what I come up with.
# [21:51] <mhoye> I may spend Thursday at the U of T library, just to dig this shit up.
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# [21:53] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> sfink: your push is an oasis of green in an otherwise barren wasteland
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# [21:57] <sfink> yeah, looks like your fun is continuing
# [21:57] <sfink> persistent, aren't you?
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# [21:57] <@ehsan> catlee-lunch: thanks for bug 918057
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# [22:06] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/5b8fa7087936 - Nicholas Cameron - Bug 933549. Change PaintState to use a DrawTarget instead of a gfxContext. r=mattwoodrow
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# [22:12] <ekr> RyanVM|sheriffduty: potential bustage at https://pastebin.mozilla.org/3961559 on m-i
# [22:12] <@ehsan> blassey: victory!
# [22:12] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/869a5af0fd20 - Nick Fitzgerald - Bug 933460 - part 1: rename 'sourceURL' to 'displayURL' throughout spidermonkey for consistency; r=ejpbruel
# [22:13] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/2fcf4c085473 - Brian Grinstead - Bug 957160 - DevTools Themes: Use 2x icon for split console on tab bar;r=pbrosset
# [22:13] <blassey> woot
# [22:13] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/b2ec8cc7299d - Veeti Paananen - Bug 951274 - Disable click on selected text to copy. r=mleibovic
# [22:13] <blassey> ehsan: can you comment in the bug
# [22:13] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/41b72281dd1e - Jim Chen - Bug 953288 - Limit length of URLs for display; r=lucasr
# [22:13] <blassey> and close it out?
# [22:13] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/c85cbcb0e170 - Nick Lebedev - Bug 926561. Separated click handlers for different mouse buttons. Added logic that closes selected tab on middle click. r=mbrubeck
# [22:13] <@ehsan> blassey: I'll do you one better, I'll fix the wiki page first!
# [22:13] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/948bfed4eb68 - Ryan VanderMeulen - Merge fx-team to m-c.
# [22:13] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> nrc: ping ^
# [22:13] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/1e870df73ef5 - Tim Taubert - Bug 952998 - Follow-up to fix test and use document.documentURIObject rs=Unfocused
# [22:13] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/836f2dca0336 - Nick Fitzgerald - Bug 933460 - part 0: add 'displayURL' filtering to Debugger.prototype.findScripts; r=ejpbruel
# [22:13] <nrc> RyanVM|sheriffduty: pong
# [22:13] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> nrc: 4:16:50 PM - ekr: RyanVM|sheriffduty: potential bustage at https://pastebin.mozilla.org/3961559 on m-i
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# [22:14] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> ekr: thanks for the heads-up :)
# [22:15] <ekr> RyanVM: NP
# [22:15] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> nice to get inbound closed before anything can pile on top
# [22:15] <Unfocused> ttaubert: you only just landed that? :P
# [22:15] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> (merged to m-c)
# [22:16] <nrc> ekr, RyanVM|sheriffduty: is that my push?
# [22:16] <Unfocused> oh, right
# [22:16] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> nrc: AFAICT?
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# [22:16] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> nrc: sure looks related to what you pushed
# [22:16] <ekr> nrc: that's what my system thinks
# [22:16] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> nrc: tbpl isn't showing the bustage yet
# [22:16] <nrc> oh right
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# [22:16] <KWierso> and there it is on tbpl
# [22:17] <blassey> ehsan: btw... the cannonical documentation for me is here https://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/mobile/android/config/mozconfigs/common#16
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# [22:17] <@ehsan> blassey: should I link there from the wiki page?
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# [22:18] <blassey> ehsan: yea, that could be useful
# [22:18] <@ehsan> will do
# [22:18] <blassey> even if it's just a footnote
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# [22:18] <nrc> RyanVM|sheriffduty: looks like my patches rotted, sorry. Best to backout
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# [22:20] <nrc> shall I do the honours?
# [22:20] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> nrc: if you like
# [22:21] <nrc> sure
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# [22:25] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/4ef057726724 - Nicholas Cameron - backed out bug 933549 on a CLOSED TREE
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# [22:26] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> nrc: thanks :)
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# [22:28] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> KWierso: going to revert hopefully what's making Gu so red on Aurora
# [22:29] <KWierso> woo
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# [22:31] <nemo> huh. I was scrolling up and down the long https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=749786
# [22:32] <nemo> and I noticed that the background colour seems to be either light grey or darker grey (tan?)
# [22:32] <nemo> the weird thing is as I scroll up and down, it seems to stick and tear
# [22:32] <nemo> so I get banding of the two colours
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# [22:32] <nemo> some repaint bug in nightly I guess
# [22:32] <nemo> this is on linux, ati with radeon driver, defaults for azure and layers .
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# [22:34] <RyanVM|sheriffduty> KWierso: good to take over?
# [22:34] <KWierso> sure
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# [22:34] <RyanVM> thanks
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# [22:35] <RyanVM> terrence: looks like your push to inbound made Hf mad
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# [22:37] <nrc> hg at Facebook - interesting - https://code.facebook.com/posts/218678814984400/scaling-mercurial-at-facebook/
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# [22:40] <@ehsan> jcranmer: still around?
# [22:40] <jcranmer> ehsan: yes
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# [22:40] <@ehsan> jcranmer: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/parser/expat/expat_config.h#30
# [22:40] <@ehsan> jcranmer: that is included in at least one .c file
# [22:41] <@ehsan> I guess that's written for C11!
# [22:41] <@ted> nrc: facebook hired sid0 to work on mercurial
# [22:41] <@ehsan> uh oh
# [22:41] <jcranmer> :-/
# [22:41] <@ehsan> jcranmer: guess who broke that! :D http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/diff/5a9badd6db00/parser/expat/expat_config.h
# [22:41] <@ehsan> hint: it's me!
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# [22:42] <@ehsan> jcranmer: now, what would be the correct type to use there?
# [22:43] <@ehsan> wchar_t?
# [22:43] <nrc> ted: who is sid0?
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# [22:43] <jcranmer> that code is broken, AFAICT
# [22:43] <RyanVM> nrc: the man
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# [22:44] <RyanVM> nrc: sid agartwal? (god I butchered that spelling)
# [22:44] <Ms2ger> Yes
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# [22:45] <Ms2ger> Also, about CamelCase vs under_scored, I was pointed at http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/articleDetails.jsp?arnumber=5521745
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# [22:46] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/23e682c34d75 - Terrence Cole - Backed out changeset 12a28278bb20 (Bug 952818) for adding rooting hazards on a CLOSED TREE.
# [22:46] <@ted> nrc: he's right here :-P
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# [22:46] <@ted> nrc: mozillian, mostly hacked on thunderbird stuff
# [22:47] <nrc> ah, cool
# [22:47] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/fba7bb9253f1 - David Keeler - bug 951354 - nsNSSCertificateDB: call shutdown(calledFromObject) in destructor r=cviecco a=abillings
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# [22:50] <yeukhon|lunch> yeah i wonder what mozilla central can do with these new changes.
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# [22:51] <@ehsan> jcranmer: the char16_t usage sure! but the question is, how should we fix it?
# [22:52] <@ehsan> jcranmer: also as a side note, changing that to wchar_t will make the build with Char16.h restricted to C++ succeed on windows
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# [22:53] <jcranmer> ehsan: I don't know parser/expat code very well
# [22:53] <jcranmer> but the XML_L() define is clearly wrong
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# [22:53] <RyanVM> terrence: FWIW, looks like this was also from that patch - https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=32656919&tree=Mozilla-Inbound
# [22:53] <@ehsan> hmm ok, let me get a bug on file and see if hsivonen has any input
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# [22:54] <jcranmer> [why are we still using the expat parser?]
# [22:54] <@ehsan> jcranmer: oh, the reason why that code "works" is that the XML_L call sites are #if 0'ed out!@
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# [22:55] <@ehsan> jcranmer: see http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/parser/expat/lib/xmlparse.c#52, look down for XML_L
# [22:55] <jcranmer> o_O
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# [22:56] <jcranmer> if that's the case, you can probably replace char16_t with uint16_t and things should work
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# [22:56] <@ehsan> let me try that
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# [22:59] <@ehsan> jcranmer: so, expat is called from code in parser/htmlparser, which does use char16_t
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# [23:00] <@ehsan> sigh
# [23:00] <@ehsan> fg
# [23:00] <jcranmer> #ifdef __cplusplus #include mozilla/Char16.h #else typedef uint16_t char16_t; #endif?
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# [23:01] <@ehsan> jcranmer: hrm, that's kind of what the existing windows code path in Char16.h does already!
# [23:02] <@ehsan> am I missing something?
# [23:02] <jcranmer> ehsan: the problem is that we don't define MOZ_UTF16 for C code
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# [23:02] <billm> ehsan: ping
# [23:02] <jcranmer> so I really hate having the header not include something that is its whole raison d'être
# [23:03] <@ehsan> jcranmer: we do have MOZ_UTF16 for C
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# [23:03] <@ehsan> billm: hi
# [23:03] <billm> ehsan: oh, sorry, didn't mean to interrupt your conversation
# [23:03] <jcranmer> ehsan: no we don't
# [23:04] <@ehsan> billm: no worries, I can have two conversations at the same time!
# [23:04] <jcranmer> well, we don't have MOZ_UTF16_HELPER
# [23:04] <@ehsan> jcranmer: http://dxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/mfbt/Char16.h#183
# [23:04] <@ehsan> jcranmer: http://dxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/mfbt/Char16.h#33 :)
# [23:04] <billm> ehsan: I'm trying to figure out what to do about private browsing in e10s
# [23:04] <jcranmer> ehsan: but not if you're not using MSVC
# [23:04] <@ehsan> jcranmer: we don't have it for gcc
# [23:04] <@ehsan> yes
# [23:04] <@ehsan> billm: oh god! :D
# [23:05] <@ehsan> billm: can we talk over vidyo? that would be a long-ish conversation
# [23:05] <billm> ehsan: my main question is how important you think it is to support pb per-tab
# [23:05] <@ehsan> billm: essential
# [23:05] <billm> ehsan: sure, if you think it makes sense
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# [23:05] <@ehsan> billm: hang on, is that the only question you had?
# [23:05] <billm> ehsan: ok. when do you want to talk?
# [23:05] <jcranmer> ehsan: we don't support gcc/clang in C with char16_t because we don't have a way to test for uchar.h's existence
# [23:05] <billm> ehsan: well, if the answer were "not important", then that would be the only question :-)
# [23:06] <@smaug> we support per-tab pb ?
# [23:06] <@ehsan> jcranmer: yeah ok I see, sorry I was talking about msvc this whole time
# [23:06] <billm> smaug: I think there's some add-on that does it
# [23:06] <@ehsan> billm: hrm, did you mean per tab or per window?
# [23:06] <billm> ehsan: per tab
# [23:06] <@ehsan> ok
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# [23:06] <@ehsan> billm: so we don't support per tab officially
# [23:06] <@ehsan> billm: but it mostly works at the API level
# [23:06] <dholbert> bz, new testcase for that 3d transform bug -- do you see a green quad (w/ perspective applied) in short windows, which disappears in large windows, here: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=8356803 ?
# [23:07] <@ehsan> and I'd rather not break it if I can avoid it
# [23:07] <@ehsan> billm: but why is that an issue for e10s?
# [23:07] <billm> ehsan: er, ok. so it's not essential then?
# [23:07] <@ehsan> billm: no, but highly desired
# [23:07] <dholbert> bz, (that's what I get, on Win & Linux. the disappearing is the bug)
# [23:07] <@ehsan> jcranmer: couldn't we detect uchar.h at configure time?
# [23:07] <billm> ehsan: well, we don't have a load context that we can easily get our hands on for each tab
# [23:07] <tbsaunde> jcranmer: have I mentioned recently how crazy mfbt is for refusing to use something configure like recently?
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# [23:07] <billm> ehsan: we do for the chrome window
# [23:08] <@ehsan> billm: hang on, let me dig you up a link
# [23:08] <jcranmer> tbsaunde: configure is even worse
# [23:08] <jcranmer> ehsan: mfbt does not want to use configure-based options
# [23:08] <@ehsan> billm: have you seen this? http://dxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/docshell/base/SerializedLoadContext.h
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# [23:08] <tbsaunde> jcranmer: huh? configure + compile time checks \superset compile time checks ...
# [23:09] <@ehsan> jcranmer: ok... so, this is a problem that we've invented ;)
# [23:09] <billm> ehsan: yes. it's just that we need to store it somewhere and expose it as an API.
# [23:09] <Waldo> ehsan: clang has __has_include(<uchar.h>), I believe
# [23:09] <sid0> nrc: any questions for me?
# [23:09] <@ehsan> Waldo: does gcc?
# [23:09] <billm> ehsan: I was thinking that the browser element could hold on to a per-tab load context and we could access it that way
# [23:09] <Waldo> ehsan: it didn't last I checked; might be in 4.9 or so, tho
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# [23:09] <@ehsan> billm: that makes sense to me
# [23:09] <tbsaunde> Waldo: its still stupid to search for it every compile not just once
# [23:09] <@ehsan> Waldo: so, that's not an option
# [23:10] <Waldo> tbsaunde, ehsan: you're wrong about that, but glandium can cite the rationale better than I can
# [23:10] <jcranmer> tbsaunde: configure-based checks are increasingly based on an antiquated notion that compilers have only one architecture and one build system
# [23:10] <@ehsan> Waldo: that being?
# [23:10] <Waldo> ehsan: I don't remember it off the top of my head
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# [23:10] <@ehsan> ok!
# [23:10] * @ehsan is not sure how to continue this conversation
# [23:10] <billm> ehsan: ok, thanks, I'll try something like that
# [23:10] <jcranmer> with pure compiler-based checks, it's possible to redistribute code without having to provide xxx-config.h headers
# [23:10] <@ehsan> billm: let me know if you need help!
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# [23:10] <tbsaunde> jcranmer: no, there based on the idea you use an objdir for only one target
# [23:11] <@ehsan> jcranmer: we do not live in that world
# [23:11] <billm> ehsan: I'll probably just ask you for feedback on the patch
# [23:11] <Waldo> that sounds like it might have been the reason
# [23:11] <@ehsan> billm: you got it!
# [23:11] <jcranmer> tbsaunde: explain how universal builds work then
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# [23:11] <tbsaunde> jcranmer: multiple objdirs
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# [23:11] <@ehsan> jcranmer: ok, I'm not much interested in this meta discussion tbh cause it will go nowhere
# [23:12] <jcranmer> tbsaunde: and it's painful as crap
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# [23:12] <@ehsan> jcranmer: I'll just fix expat to use wchar_t and call it victory
# [23:12] <jcranmer> in the long run, configure causes more problems than it solves
# [23:12] <jcranmer> ehsan: why not uint16_t?
# [23:12] <tbsaunde> yeah, and universal builds are a funny thing to do so who cares
# [23:12] <@ehsan> jcranmer: sure, uint16_t
# [23:12] <nrc> sid0: no, just thought it was cool what was happening with hg at Facebook and we coul dprobably learn some things
# [23:12] <@ehsan> jcranmer: (why is that better?)
# [23:13] <jcranmer> ehsan: because I think we actually want it to be 16-bit, even on non-short-wchar'd linux
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# [23:13] <tbsaunde> jcranmer: [disagreement box] but == ehsan :betterthingstodo
# [23:13] <@ehsan> oh, I guess for mingw
# [23:13] <sid0> nrc: yep. hg has been a huge success for us
# [23:13] <@ehsan> tbsaunde: lol! what language is that?!
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# [23:13] <sid0> (with all the work we put into it)
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# [23:13] <@ehsan> looks like our test manifests
# [23:13] <jcranmer> I was goin to say ruby
# [23:14] <@ehsan> they're both equally unintelligible to me!
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# [23:14] <tbsaunde> ehsan: non really
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# [23:16] <@ehsan> jcranmer: dammit... so, it turns out that our parser code depends on XML_Char and char16_t to be the same thing :(
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# [23:16] <Waldo> fixable easily?
# [23:16] <Waldo> (and, understandable)
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# [23:17] <jcranmer> that's why I suggested the #ifdef __cplusplus hack several paragraphs ago?
# [23:17] <Waldo> also, this is yet again why we should standardize on C++, even if holdouts write C++ in C style
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# [23:17] <jcranmer> Waldo++
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# [23:18] <@ehsan> jcranmer: trying that now :/
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# [23:20] <@ehsan> jcranmer: it worked, but it's gross
# [23:20] <@ehsan> SHIP IT, I guess
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# [23:22] <jcranmer> complain to the C standards committee for being a bunch of idiots?
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# [23:26] <mixedpuppy> anyone know the status of building on osx 10.9?
# [23:26] * mixedpuppy has new laptop, thinking about updating to 10.9 first
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# [23:27] <heycam> mixedpuppy, working fine for me
# [23:27] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla-beta/rev/06a89edd358b - Jim Chen - Bug 945327 - Improve local ref management in AndroidBridge. r=blassey, a=bajaj
# [23:27] <heycam> mixedpuppy, unless you like using gdb
# [23:27] <mixedpuppy> heycam: great, thanks!
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# [23:34] * @bz wonders how much of a dealbreaker this lldb thing will turn out to be
# [23:34] <heycam> bz, I'm getting quite used to lldb
# [23:34] <heycam> I started porting some of the useful aliases that I cribbed from your gdbinit file, but got distracted
# [23:34] <@ehsan> bz: what's the problem?
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# [23:39] <Jesse> heycam: ooh, i'd like that too. i wonder how many people here *haven't* copied bz's gdbinit
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# [23:40] <heycam> Jesse, heh yeah. though I only recently realised there is a more up-to-date gdbinit in the tree now
# [23:40] <@bz> ehsan: Other than the general "have to learn a new tool" curve?
# [23:40] <@bz> ehsan: I don't know. Maybe there isn't one!
# [23:41] <Jesse> my favorite thing in my gdbinit is "set prompt \n(gdb)" to add a blank line between commands. unfortunately, the equivalent in lldb makes the prompt disappear (rdar://15564750)
# [23:41] <@ehsan> bz: I have so far hit one problem, no |bt full|
# [23:41] <Ms2ger> bz, so why isn't your gdbinit in-tree? :)
# [23:41] <@bz> ehsan: I don't do anything too insane with gdb
# [23:41] <@bz> ms2ger: dunno
# [23:41] <@ehsan> bz: but http://lldb.llvm.org/lldb-gdb.html in case you haven't seen it
# [23:42] <@bz> ehsan: mostly simple stuff, plus the function to print out unichar strings
# [23:42] <@ehsan> oh, pu?
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# [23:42] <@ehsan> yeah, someone please port tat
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# [23:42] <@bz> pu/ps
# [23:42] <@bz> Ms2ger: it's at http://web.mit.edu/bzbarsky/www/gdbinit ;)
# [23:42] <@ehsan> oh ps
# [23:42] <@bz> Ms2ger: Though some of that is just cruft now
# [23:42] <@ehsan> that's how long I haven't used gdb for ;)
# [23:42] <@bz> esp since I don't do much with layout code nowadays
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# [23:43] <@bz> and we rejiggered atoms
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# [23:43] <@ehsan> bz: I put some of that stuff into the tree
# [23:43] <@bz> and I'm pretty sure the "jsscript" bit there is out of date, etc
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# [23:43] <Ms2ger> frametree192-other? :)
# [23:43] <@bz> yeah, the frametree funcs needed to be different on different branches
# [23:43] <@bz> because signature changes, etc
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# [23:44] <Jesse> "stderrp"
# [23:44] <@bz> That's a Mac-ism
# [23:44] <@bz> "stderr" is a macro here
# [23:44] <Ms2ger> Standard derp?
# [23:44] <heycam> Ms2ger++
# [23:44] <@bz> standard error pointer
# [23:44] <Jesse> for when you need 3 output channels (out, err, derp)
# [23:44] <@bz> or something
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# [23:45] * @bz hadn't realized his gdbinit was widely cribbed... ;)
# [23:45] <heycam> one thing that you really need in lldbinit is |settings set target.prefer-dynamic-value run-target|
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# [23:45] <Jesse> what does that do?
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# [23:46] <@bz> Like set print object on?
# [23:46] <@bz> auto-type deduction based on vtable or something?
# [23:46] <heycam> prints pointers with their concrete object type, rather than nsIFrame* or whatever
# [23:46] <heycam> yeah
# [23:46] <@ehsan> heycam: please put that into the tree
# [23:46] <@bz> yes
# [23:46] <@bz> Please!
# [23:46] <@ehsan> r+a+etc=me
# [23:46] <heycam> ok :)
# [23:46] <@ehsan> no bugs needed!
# [23:46] <@bz> If I wait long enough to update, you guys will solve all the issues before I do.
# [23:46] <@ehsan> bz: just go on vacation ;)
# [23:46] <heycam> the gdb->lldb cheat sheet page is pretty useful
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# [23:47] <Waldo> pretty sure that stuff's in the Mozilla Unix Debugging FAQ or whatever
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# [23:47] <@dolske> doesn't anyone read https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Debugging_Mozilla_with_gdb any more?!!!1!
# [23:47] <@dolske> (spoiler: very outdated)
# [23:47] <mjrosenb> so I asked for a virtual server before I took my winter break, and the bug hasn't had any activity since then. Who should I poke about that?
# [23:48] <Waldo> dolske: exactly
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# [23:48] <@ehsan> $ gdb
# [23:48] <@ehsan> bash: gdb: command not found
# [23:48] <@ehsan> dolske: ^
# [23:49] <@khuey> mjrosenb: who did you ask?
# [23:49] <@khuey> presumably you should start with them ...
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# [23:49] <@bz> ehsan: can I auto-forward all my mail to you while I do? ;)
# [23:49] <@ehsan> bz: sure, but do not expect me to sit there and not retaliate ;)
# [23:49] <@dolske> ehsan: weird. have you tried rebooting?
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# [23:49] <@ehsan> I can forward all of mail back to you in return
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# [23:49] <mjrosenb> khuey: I asked
# [23:49] <@ehsan> it would be interesting to see if we can bring the internetz down
# [23:50] <mjrosenb> server-ops-virtualization@mozilla-org.bugs
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# [23:50] <@ehsan> dolske: no, I stopped using windows in 2001. :P
# [23:50] <Ms2ger> 2001? I was 2/3rds of my way through primary school then
# [23:51] <@ehsan> thanks for making me feel old!
# [23:51] <Ms2ger> :D
# [23:51] <mjrosenb> I think I tried linux in 2001, but I didn't switch for many years afterwards.
# [23:51] <@dolske> I think I tried linux in 2001, but I didn't inhale.
# [23:51] <@ehsan> guys, that was supposed to be a joke! ;)
# [23:52] <@ehsan> stop taking me seriously ;)
# [23:52] <@smaug> Ms2ger can make anyone else except khuey to feel old
# [23:52] <@ehsan> smaug: haha those kids!
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# [23:52] <Ms2ger> smaug, and maybe dz
# [23:52] <Ms2ger> Where's dz these days anyway?
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# [23:55] <@bz> school
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# [23:55] <@bz> also, sort of fed up with dealing with our payroll/hr departments... :(
# [23:55] <@khuey> mjrosenb: go ask around in #it?
# [23:55] <@khuey> bz: that's always a good time
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# [23:56] <@smaug> uh
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# [23:58] <@bz> Actually, right now on a trip too, iirc
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