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  227. # [04:46] <WeirdAl> glandium: yt? Looking at packager.py, wondering how we can add Info.plist for XULRunner. (Hoping that doesn't mean a package manifest.)
  228. # [04:47] <firebot> Check-in:
  229. # [04:47] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/2b1118ec0cc1 - Josh Aas - Bug 957883: Handle channel errors during process launch such that we don't sit on a dead channel for the full time-out (e.g. 45 secs for NPAPI), and allow us to detect when
  230. # [04:47] <firebot> an error happens during child process init. Also, now that it's possible, actually check for an error during NPAPI child process init. r=bsmedberg
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  233. # [05:01] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/f03891e62f0e - Nicholas Cameron - Bug 956967. Don't use direct2d if we forcing d3d9. r=Bas
  234. # [05:02] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/3b1616997a89 - Nicholas Cameron - Bug 956967. If we have to fallback to our default Azure backend, we must support that backend. r=nical
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  237. # [05:02] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/d18cb326989c - Mats Palmgren - Bug 958249 - The first ::first-letter continuation should display all sides of the border, the following continuations none. r=dholbert
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  239. # [05:03] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/6ee832db1ddb - Mats Palmgren - Bug 943249 - Make <[i]frame scrolling> compatible with IE/Chrome; that is scrolling="no" (and synonyms) suppress scrollbars (as before), anything else has no effect.
  240. # [05:03] <firebot> r=bz
  241. # [05:03] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/716a56941b4e - Mats Palmgren - Bug 943249 - Repair a few reftests that depend on the old @scrolling behavior.
  242. # [05:03] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/52241cfa373d - Mats Palmgren - Bug 943249 - Reftests.
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  278. # [05:40] <philor> well, that's awkward
  279. # [05:41] <philor> somebody do something about metro and pdf.js recently?
  280. # [05:42] <philor> whatever it was, it ain't gonna build on aurora
  281. # [05:42] <mfinkle> philor, i think mbrubeck landed something related to both
  282. # [05:43] <philor> and, interestingly, test_browserElement_inproc_Alert.html is going to be permaorange
  283. # [05:43] <philor> we've had a busy week of breaking stuff :)
  284. # [05:45] <mbrubeck> What's up now?
  285. # [05:45] <philor> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=3152231fa396
  286. # [05:46] <philor> the Windows builds, not the rest of it, far as I know
  287. # [05:47] <philor> sweet, browser-chrome doesn't even start
  288. # [05:47] <philor> maybe this is two weeks of breaking stuff, I was away last weekend
  289. # [05:51] <mbrubeck> philor: https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/fx-team/rev/c8c8831321da
  290. # [05:51] <philor> mbrubeck: can't be, too long ago and that wouldn't affect packaging, would it?
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  292. # [05:52] <philor> I'm slack about pushing to try, but that's twenty days ago, not that slack I hope
  293. # [05:52] <philor> should be more like a two week range
  294. # [05:53] <mbrubeck> Hmm, not aware of any relevant changes in that range
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  296. # [05:55] <philor> http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/ae27b82c41ee
  297. # [05:56] <philor> it's probably that mbrubeck character, only building it for Nightly but trying to package it for non-Nightly
  298. # [05:56] <mbrubeck> Heh
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  302. # [05:58] <philor> oh, heh, that took me a while to see
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  304. # [05:58] <philor> that put browser/chrome/pdfjs.manifest in a nightly_build ifdef, but not metro/chrome/pdfjs.manifest
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  307. # [06:00] <mbrubeck> Argh
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  311. # [06:01] <philor> maybe I'll just kill those try pushes, I think I'm about to be pushing again :)
  312. # [06:02] <mbrubeck> I'll push a fix to fx team
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  314. # [06:03] <philor> turns out vlad is right about -e not sending email, though, so they told me that
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  329. # [06:13] <mbrubeck> philor: https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/fx-team/rev/211c36cf894a
  330. # [06:13] <mbrubeck> thanks for catching that
  331. # [06:13] <philor> np, I like 'em better now than at 5pm on mergeday :)
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  334. # [06:17] <philor> non-nightly at https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=1bfad7fb05d1, but it should be anticlimactic
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  396. # [07:24] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/9380208b53cf - Brian Smith - Bug 958906: Remove reliance on implicit conversion from enum types to integers to fix VS2013 build bustage, r=bjacob
  397. # [07:24] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/38807790e001 - Brian Smith - Bug 957665: Add telemetry to measure how many people have OCSP enabled, r=keeler
  398. # [07:26] <philor> but how many people have telemetry disabled but OCSP enabled?
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  416. # [07:52] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/bcc2c29c1e16 - Niko Matsakis - Bug 955815 - Correct test headers for SIMD tests
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  421. # [07:58] <philor> that should be fun
  422. # [07:58] <philor> https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=32882645&tree=Try - apparently NSS plans to not build when aurora merges to beta
  423. # [08:02] <philor> briansmith: ^ might be relevant to your interests
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  426. # [08:03] <philor> not that I see anything build-related in the last update that landed on aurora
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  428. # [08:05] <briansmith> philor: what am I looking at?
  429. # [08:05] <philor> briansmith: a try push with current aurora plus the changes that happen when aurora gets merged to beta, beta's version number and update channel
  430. # [08:05] <briansmith> philor: I have given up expecting tryserver to do anything useful with mozilla-beta or mozilla-aurora.
  431. # [08:05] <briansmith> Does it ever work?
  432. # [08:06] <philor> yep
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  435. # [08:07] <philor> I took last weekend off, so you're right, there could have been an infra change in the last two weeks that made it impossible to build Windows opt, but I wouldn't count on it
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  437. # [08:08] <briansmith> c:\builds\moz2_slave\try-w32-0000000000000000000000\build\obj-firefox\security\C:\builds\moz2_slave\try-w32-0000000000000000000000\build\security\nss\lib\base
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  439. # [08:08] <briansmith> nsinstall: failed to create directory c:\builds\moz2_slave\try-w32-0000000000000000000000\build\obj-firefox\security\C:\builds\moz2_slave\try-w32-0000000000000000000000\build\security\nss\lib\base: [Error 123] The filename, directory name, or volume label syntax is incorrect: u'c:\\builds\\moz2_slave\\try-w32-0000000000000000000000\\build\\obj-firefox\\security\\C:'
  440. # [08:09] <philor> yeah, silly nsinstall being unable to create that directory
  441. # [08:09] <philor> pymake seems to be of the opinion that it's in C:\etc, dunno where the lowercase one comes from
  442. # [08:10] <briansmith> the problem is that it is treating C:\builds\... as a relative path
  443. # [08:10] <briansmith> and appending it to c:\builds\...
  444. # [08:10] <briansmith> Right now mozilla-aurora and mozilla-beta have the exact same NSS
  445. # [08:10] <briansmith> NSS 3.15.4 RTM
  446. # [08:11] <briansmith> So, i'm betting it is an infra issue
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  480. # [09:06] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/d5d5fb7cb469 - Masatoshi Kimura - Bug 952961 - Remove our own executable check and pref check, and added a regitry check when downloading a file. r=paolo
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  487. # [09:12] <Ms2ger> Hmm
  488. # [09:13] <Ms2ger> So with the Google API key for what'sit, geolocation? not being available, can we truly say Firefox is 100% open source?
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  527. # [09:50] <ewong> Ms2ger: safebrowsing as well
  528. # [09:50] <ewong> it's still open source.
  529. # [09:51] <ewong> it's just no longer possible to fork it and have it running as-is
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  533. # [09:55] <ewong> but.. point taken
  534. # [09:56] <ewong> boy I love talking to myself :)
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  618. # [11:44] <smontagu> eww
  619. # [11:44] <smontagu> directory listings in utf-8 regularly send incomplete code units
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  621. # [11:44] <smontagu> seems to be apache's bug rather than hours
  622. # [11:44] <smontagu> s/h//
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  657. # [12:29] <cers> did anything happen during development of Firefox 23 that might explain why in the nightlies I see a huge boost in js performance in a specific benchmark (on jsperf.com), but when the range between the two is tested via js shell, there is no significant difference?
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  667. # [12:39] <Ms2ger> cers, what's the range?
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  669. # [12:40] <cers> Ms2ger: http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/pushloghtml?fromchange=acf388eaf9e9&tochange=fef5f202b2dc
  670. # [12:41] <cers> according to mozregression that should be the range between the nightly from 2013-04-23 and 2013-04-24
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  674. # [12:44] <Ms2ger> Hrm, nothing jumps at me
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  687. # [13:10] <evilpie> Ms2ger: have you seen bug 958887?
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  689. # [13:10] <evilpie> does the dom spec require this to work?
  690. # [13:10] * Ms2ger looks
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  693. # [13:10] <Ms2ger> We might have a bug for that already...
  694. # [13:11] <ttaubert> like... five
  695. # [13:11] <ttaubert> eight
  696. # [13:12] <cers> Ms2ger: between those two nightlies, my benchmark score jumps by more than a factor of 2 - but when I test those two endpoints of the range, I get the same result in the js shell
  697. # [13:12] <Ms2ger> A million
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  700. # [13:14] <Ms2ger> evilpie, let's see if bz can find it :)
  701. # [13:14] <evilpie> Ms2ger: ok
  702. # [13:15] <till> cers: bug 863518, maybe?
  703. # [13:15] <SJW> We have an inactive user as default assigne in Core > Java to XPCOM Bridge
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  705. # [13:16] <till> cers: jsperf.com introduces so much overhead and dirtyness in the testing environment that it's easily possible that your shell test basically tests something completely different
  706. # [13:16] <NeilAway> we have a Java to XPCOM Bridge?
  707. # [13:16] <till> we shouldn't have a Java to XPCOM bridge
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  709. # [13:17] <SJW> NeilAway: Seems like it was planned...
  710. # [13:17] <SJW> So we may close the whole component?
  711. # [13:17] <till> cers: or, bug 862103. Again, with the jsperf.com testing different things
  712. # [13:17] <cers> till: doesn't sound an unlikely candidate - I'd like nothing better than to test in a consistent matter (ie. only shell), however it's proven very difficult to do so.
  713. # [13:18] <till> cers: it's a real pain, I know
  714. # [13:18] <SJW> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=Core&component=Java%20to%20XPCOM%20Bridge&resolution=---&list_id=9169692
  715. # [13:19] <cers> till: building firefox just a version or two back seems borderline impossible
  716. # [13:19] <cers> (the js shell however is easier)
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  718. # [13:19] <till> cers: because of shifting compiler requirements?
  719. # [13:20] <cers> till: so it seems
  720. # [13:20] <SJW> Some parts are already implemented? https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?product=Core&component=Java%20to%20XPCOM%20Bridge&list_id=9169695
  721. # [13:21] <till> cers: also, this is a good read on the topic: http://mrale.ph/blog/2012/12/15/microbenchmarks-fairy-tale.html
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  723. # [13:21] <cers> till: so investigating the causes for bumps in performance (up and down) as far back as Firefox 4 is err.. challenging. http://geeksbynature.dk/uploads/distance-plot.png
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  725. # [13:22] <till> cers: I like the trend of that graph :)
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  727. # [13:22] <cers> till: I wouldn't really call it a micro benchmark - it's an image library I wrote for a project that requires a distance transform to be run a number of times - and the speed difference is quite noticeable
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  729. # [13:23] <till> cers: ah, ok. So it's different from your jsperf.com benchmark?
  730. # [13:24] <cers> till: well the data in that graph is obtained by running the lib in jsperf
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  733. # [13:25] <till> cers: ah. Don't do that :)
  734. # [13:25] <cers> to be exact, it runs the lib 5 times on 500x500 px images, whereas the real use case is more often than not much larger images, and it runs... something like 25 times, iirc
  735. # [13:25] <till> cers: really, for a large lib, creating your own test harness should be almost as easy as setting up a jsperf test
  736. # [13:26] <till> cers: also, testing the real use case is much more informative
  737. # [13:26] <till> cers: ooc, why do you want to do sub-release regression and improvement range discovery?
  738. # [13:26] <cers> till: I suppose. (on both counts) but in poorly performing versions, that would often easily cause a slow script warning
  739. # [13:27] <till> cers: you can increase the timeout for that in about:config
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  741. # [13:27] <cers> and Chrome?
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  743. # [13:27] <till> cers: dunno, but I bet they have a similar setting. Ours is dom.max_script_run_time
  744. # [13:28] <cers> I've already changed it in Firefox in my benchmarking profile :-)
  745. # [13:28] <NeilAway> hmm, my opt build is freezing up intermittently :s
  746. # [13:29] <cers> till: but I guess I'll try to write my own test harness, and repeat the somewhat (read: enormously) tedious task of testing releases by hand
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  752. # [13:34] <till> cers: how about saving all releases in subfolders, named after the release you want to test, creating a page that contains the test code and, at the end, sends the results to a tiny local web server (in node.js, say) which appends them to a text file? Then you can write a script that iterates over the folders and invokes the applications with your test as the url, and everything just runs through while you make a coffee
  753. # [13:36] <cers> hmm.. not a bad idea - I wonder if there's an easy way to figure out when the test is complete, so I know when to close the browser and move on to the next
  754. # [13:37] <cers> I suppose I might be able to listen for the result coming in
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  836. # [14:46] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/0c63a95e2dd8 - Majda Nafissa Rahal - Bug 884355 - Warn about closing multiple tabs when "Never remember history" is enabled" r=gavin
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  856. # [14:59] <NeilAway> ah, because 10 tabs now apparently consumes 1.4GB and I'm swapping
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  860. # [15:03] <zzzzz> 10 tabs using 1.4gig - that does not sound anywhere near right , I have 18 tabs here, 400meg on latest hourly m-c win32 on win7 x64
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  869. # [15:10] <@smaug> NeilAway: what kinds of stuff you have open in the tabs?
  870. # [15:11] <NeilAway> smaug: various cheezburger.com pages
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  872. # [15:11] <NeilAway> also I thought I was swapping but maybe I'm cycle collecting (opt build without symbols so can't really be sure)
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  874. # [15:12] <@smaug> NeilAway: why you think you're CCing?
  875. # [15:12] <@smaug> heavy weight pages may take lots of memory
  876. # [15:13] <@smaug> looks like HTML spec uses about 200MB
  877. # [15:14] <NeilAway> smaug: well, the stack trace isn't really useful without symbols, it was just a wild guess by the debugger
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  884. # [15:16] <@smaug> you could be leaking...
  885. # [15:16] <@smaug> NeilAway: high CC/GC times?
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  888. # [15:16] <@smaug> javascript.options.mem.log = true
  889. # [15:16] <@smaug> and look at browser console
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  892. # [15:17] <NeilAway> smaug: if I can open about:config...
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  911. # [15:34] <NeilAway> smaug: whoa, I just had an 80s CC
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  913. # [15:37] <NeilAway> smaug: CC(T+12826.1) max pause: 79890ms, total time: 79890ms, suspected: 10514, visited: 47279 RCed and 79697 GCed, collected: 1561 RCed and 4942 GCed (6503|510 waiting for GC)
  914. # [15:37] <NeilAway> smaug: ForgetSkippable 13 times before CC, min: 0 ms, max: 34 ms, avg: 14 ms, total: 182 ms, max sync: 0 ms, removed: 69096
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  925. # [15:45] <@smaug> NeilAway: woohoo
  926. # [15:45] <@smaug> that is impressive
  927. # [15:46] <@smaug> NeilAway: want to create leak logs, https://wiki.mozilla.org/Performance:Leak_Tools#Cycle_collector_heap_dump
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  929. # [15:46] <@smaug> the first gray box
  930. # [15:46] <@smaug> NeilAway: hmm
  931. # [15:46] <@smaug> but that doesn't make sense
  932. # [15:46] <@smaug> you're swapping
  933. # [15:47] <@smaug> visited: 47279 RCed and 79697 GCed isn't much
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  936. # [15:49] <@smaug> HTML spec causes 10x more garbage, and CC time is ~500ms
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  938. # [15:49] <@smaug> after closing the tab
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  943. # [15:54] <NeilAway> smaug: how big does this log get?
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  946. # [15:56] <NeilAway> ah, over 800 MB in my case
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  951. # [15:58] <@smaug> NeilAway: even without allTraces?
  952. # [15:58] <@smaug> huh
  953. # [15:59] <NeilAway> smaug: the gc log was 800 MB
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  955. # [15:59] <NeilAway> smaug: the cc log is only 11 MB
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  958. # [16:01] <@smaug> ahaa
  959. # [16:01] <@smaug> hmm
  960. # [16:01] <NeilAway> smaug: I'm going to have to restart my browser, this is unusable
  961. # [16:01] <@smaug> yup
  962. # [16:01] <@smaug> NeilAway: I could look at the cc log
  963. # [16:01] <@smaug> zip it a send it to me?
  964. # [16:01] <@smaug> it contains urls
  965. # [16:02] <@smaug> so, if you don't want me to know them, don't send it :)
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  969. # [16:05] <NeilAway> smaug: as I said, all cheezburger.com pages
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  971. # [16:05] <NeilAway> smaug: http://neil.rashbrook.org/cc-edges.34904.zip
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  973. # [16:05] * @smaug doesn't know if those can contain something privacy sensitive
  974. # [16:05] <@smaug> thanks
  975. # [16:06] <@smaug> I don't know what cheezburger.com is
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  978. # [16:07] <NeilAway> smaug: even on a good day it's a waste of time ;-)
  979. # [16:07] <NeilAway> smaug: it started off as funny pictures of cats
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  983. # [16:09] <@smaug> NeilAway: hmm, ~2500 nsXBLDocumentInfo objects
  984. # [16:09] <@smaug> that is surprising
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  986. # [16:10] <@smaug> in my current cc log there no such objects
  987. # [16:10] <@smaug> since they are optimized out from the graph
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  989. # [16:10] <@smaug> have you disabled xul cache or something?
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  993. # [16:11] <@smaug> it sure looks like xbl stuff is all in the graph
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  995. # [16:12] <@smaug> also many cheezburger docs...
  996. # [16:12] <@smaug> I wonder...
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  998. # [16:12] <@smaug> is it possible that CC OOMed
  999. # [16:12] <@smaug> and isn't collecting anymore
  1000. # [16:13] <@smaug> this is so odd looking
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  1003. # [16:14] <NeilAway> smaug: yeah, xul cache disabled
  1004. # [16:14] <NeilAway> shutdown was nice and quick though :-)
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  1009. # [16:19] <@smaug> NeilAway: xul cache disabled is guaranteed to cause huge cc times ;)
  1010. # [16:19] <@smaug> so blame yourselves
  1011. # [16:19] <@smaug> yourself
  1012. # [16:19] <@smaug> aslödfkj
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  1027. # [16:35] <Ms2ger> unsupported operand parent(s) for '*': 'Ring of integers modulo 5474602557093231090681135097958204451853490049749010066446739786967129791947945660735006089415410701671032562083201' and 'Univariate Polynomial Ring in x over Finite Field of size 3851'
  1028. # [16:35] <Ms2ger> :(
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  1108. # [17:59] <vlad> philor: hmm
  1109. # [17:59] <vlad> philor: I do have a filter set up, specifically for that initial email
  1110. # [17:59] <vlad> philor: but I'm not getting anything
  1111. # [17:59] <philor> weird
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  1113. # [18:00] <vlad> and pobox is set up to do weak spam filtering only
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  1115. # [18:01] <vlad> checking their spam list now
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  1118. # [18:02] <philor> not obviously spammy other than being sent base64 encoded for no clear reason
  1119. # [18:02] <vlad> yeah, wasn't caught by their filters, or by gmail's
  1120. # [18:02] <vlad> hmmm
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  1129. # [18:05] <vlad> weird, I had some trusted senders set up in pobox for some .cn and qq addresses, created by "sending mail"
  1130. # [18:05] <vlad> there is no way someone would have cracked my pobox account.. I don't use it for sending mail anyway
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  1214. # [18:56] <philor> wow, we sort of pile up the crud about mochi.test:8888, don't we?
  1215. # [18:57] <philor> this screenshot has four badges in the addressbar, plus a blocked popup notification
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  1220. # [18:59] <RealRaven> is there a resource on MDN for writing XUL based mobile firefox addons? I need an example for adding an overlay in chrome context
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  1222. # [19:00] <RealRaven> What is easy in Firefox seems really much harder in Fennec
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  1227. # [19:05] <philor> RealRaven: you can't find the docs because Fennec isn't built with XUL
  1228. # [19:05] <paul> RealRaven: we don't use XUL in Fennec
  1229. # [19:05] <philor> khuey|away: ping
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  1233. # [19:08] <Ms2ger> philor, what'd he do?
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  1236. # [19:08] <philor> Ms2ger: that shutdown hang fix that didn't work added the not-infrequent https://tbpl.mozilla.org/php/getParsedLog.php?id=32880197&tree=Mozilla-Inbound assertion, trying to decide whether to merge inbound anyway
  1237. # [19:09] <Archaeopteryx> RealRaven: do you want to extent a menu?
  1238. # [19:09] <Ms2ger> :/
  1239. # [19:09] <RealRaven> no I need to build a dialog for displaying a filtered list of logins
  1240. # [19:09] <philor> might be An Clue, but it's certainly going to be an pain in the ass, since we're already up to asserting in three different tests
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  1243. # [19:10] <RealRaven> Archaeopteryx: I saw an advice on dialogs. does this mean I can build a dialog in Fennec?
  1244. # [19:10] <Ms2ger> Did anything land?
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  1246. # [19:10] <RealRaven> Archaeopteryx: (btw. the operation I am doing is necessary modal. It will still be a one-click affair for most use cases)
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  1250. # [19:12] <Archaeopteryx> modal as not being able to switch tabs? then you load that dialog in a xhtml file in a tab and hide the tab bar. better ask in #mobile
  1251. # [19:12] <RealRaven> Archaeopteryx: I have already drawn up a UX prototype which would work on a mobile phone or any bigger device. Ideally I want to overlay the page with a semi-transparent gray and then put the dialog on top.
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  1255. # [19:12] <RealRaven> Archaeopteryx: I want the tab displayed in the background, to provide context. I am building a more usable login experience
  1256. # [19:13] <RealRaven> Archaeopteryx: UX will be vastly superior to any existing addon.
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  1258. # [19:13] <Archaeopteryx> add a div as child of body and use z-index and position:absolute?
  1259. # [19:14] <RealRaven> But I really would lioke the tab remaining in the background. the login list will be filtered automatically according to context, similar to my desktop addon QuickPasswords.
  1260. # [19:14] <RealRaven> Archaeopteryx: ok, I was hoping to not inject into the page for security reasons. Can I inject it on chrome level instead?
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  1263. # [19:15] <RealRaven> Archaeopteryx: basically I do not want to "Mix" the UI with anything on the page.
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  1265. # [19:15] <RealRaven> A floating panel overlaying the browser pane in chrome context would be the preferred solution, but I do not know whether this is allowed
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  1268. # [19:16] <Archaeopteryx> RealRaven: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/Add-ons/Firefox_for_Android/API/Prompt.jsm is like what you want
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  1272. # [19:17] <Archaeopteryx> full overview on https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/Add-ons/Firefox_for_Android
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  1274. # [19:18] <RealRaven> Archaeopteryx: thanks, I will have a look but that looks very painful. I would rather write a xul dialog so I have more control on the UI. A prompt is really like a hammer, it treats all UX as nails.
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  1278. # [19:20] <RealRaven> Is using the <dialog> element completely forbidden?
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  1280. # [19:21] <RealRaven> I wouldn't like to build it to find out it was deprecated a few versions down the line
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  1283. # [19:26] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/3f7225e6d33a - Arnaud Bienner - Bug 944737 - Allow only one color picker at a time. r=dholbert,jmathies
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  1303. # [19:43] <RealRaven> ]I need to build something like a dialog but I need full access to the CSS
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  1352. # [20:28] <RealRaven> Paul: for security reasons I don't want my form on the page context.
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  1383. # [20:54] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/b8d91785f387 - Ehsan Akhgari - Bug 958577 - Add Uyghur to the list of RTL languages; r=smontagu
  1384. # [20:54] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/2c474a82e2b0 - Ehsan Akhgari - Bug 958497 - Use the correct character type in th_char.h depending on the language to use; r=smontagu
  1385. # [20:54] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/6a9730f94bae - Ehsan Akhgari - Bug 957358 - Restrict everything in Char16.h to C++; r=jcranmer
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  1389. # [20:55] <jcranmer|away> I need to figure out how to tell irssi to ignore pings due to firebot
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  1391. # [20:58] <briansmith> How do I view the aggregate data from Firefox health report.
  1392. # [20:59] <briansmith> In particular, I am interested in knowing the aggregate "wikipedia.searchbar" data so we can help wikipedia decide whether we drive too much traffic to them for them to switch to HTTPS in the search bar
  1393. # [20:59] <briansmith> (bug 758857)
  1394. # [20:59] <Ms2ger> I think you ask gps on a weekday :)
  1395. # [21:00] <jcranmer|away> mconley: ping
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  1398. # [21:00] <briansmith> Thanks
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  1403. # [21:05] <LegNeato> If I have permission to push to m-c, do I automatically have permission to push to mozilla-inbound?
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  1405. # [21:05] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/1ff7a0feb484 - Nicholas Cameron - Bug 951554. Changes to ContentClient. r=nical
  1406. # [21:05] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/5f4439be303b - Nicholas Cameron - Bug 951554. Replace SyncFrontBufferToBackBuffer with PrepareFrame and FinalizeFrame. r=nical
  1407. # [21:05] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/c6bbb2c41e78 - Nicholas Cameron - Bug 951554. Changes to RotatedBuffer. r=nical
  1408. # [21:06] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/54060f623fb7 - Nicholas Cameron - Bug 951554. Add SurfaceMode::SURFACE_NONE. r=nical
  1409. # [21:06] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/1b3735a6c466 - Nicholas Cameron - Bug 951554. Change the high level painting functions. r=nical
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  1413. # [21:08] <nrc> LegNeato: yes, I believe so
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  1416. # [21:10] <LegNeato> nrc: ok, I'm getting some weird errors that look like I don't have permission :-(
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  1418. # [21:11] <nrc> LegNeato: but you can push to m-c without problems?
  1419. # [21:11] <LegNeato> nrc: yes
  1420. # [21:11] * LegNeato debates just pushing to m-c haha
  1421. # [21:12] <NeilAway> how long ago did you last push?
  1422. # [21:12] <philor> is default-push in your inbound .hg/hgrc correctly set to ssh://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/?
  1423. # [21:12] <LegNeato> philor: it's https://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound
  1424. # [21:13] <philor> pretty sure you have to push to ssh://
  1425. # [21:13] <LegNeato> philor: with ssh I get running ssh hg.mozilla.org 'hg -R integration/mozilla-inbound serve --stdio'
  1426. # [21:13] <LegNeato> remote: Permission denied (publickey).
  1427. # [21:13] <LegNeato> abort: no suitable response from remote hg!
  1428. # [21:13] <LegNeato> (I pushed to m-c with https a month or so ago)
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  1431. # [21:13] <LegNeato> philor, nrc: I'll file a bug for access, thanks for your help!
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  1435. # [21:15] <philor> LegNeato: and you have all of https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Mercurial_FAQ#How_do_I_check_stuff_in.3F set?
  1436. # [21:15] <@smaug> LegNeato: I've got such error few times, and IIRC I had to reboot. (perhaps restarting some shh daemon would have worked too )
  1437. # [21:15] <Ms2ger> Oh hey, it's LegNeato
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  1440. # [21:15] <LegNeato> :-D
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  1442. # [21:16] <LegNeato> philor: yeah, like I said I pushed from this machine to m-c a month ago. I'll poke around before filing a bug
  1443. # [21:16] <Ms2ger> Not often that we see you around :)
  1444. # [21:17] <philor> pushed with https, rather than ssh, it may well be that we accidentally allow https pushes to m-c, but not to other trees
  1445. # [21:17] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/72fc7d58a274 - Christian Legnitto - Bug 935377 - Firefox should fix common scheme typos, r=dolske
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  1447. # [21:17] <Archaeopteryx> [2013-11-17 21:21:15] * Ms2ger * LegNeato landing directly on central?
  1448. # [21:17] <Archaeopteryx> [2013-11-17 21:21:20] * Ms2ger * What year is it?
  1449. # [21:17] <Ms2ger> Heh
  1450. # [21:18] <Archaeopteryx> :P
  1451. # [21:18] <LegNeato> philor: yeah, that looks to be the case. I figured it out with your pointers, I had my ssh confer still pointed to my moz email
  1452. # [21:18] <LegNeato> heh
  1453. # [21:18] <Archaeopteryx> [2013-11-17 21:21:50] * Ms2ger * Sounds like we'll have to invite him next summit :)
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  1455. # [21:18] <Ms2ger> Sounds like someone keeps good logs
  1456. # [21:18] <LegNeato> I'm working back channels to try to make the release cycle go faster too
  1457. # [21:19] <LegNeato> I want us to merge aurora and nightly and go to a 12 week cycle
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  1459. # [21:19] <LegNeato> some people think I am crazy
  1460. # [21:19] <Ms2ger> Are you cra... Ah
  1461. # [21:21] <nrc> LegNeato++ Beta is so stable it may as well be a release version
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  1463. # [21:21] <LegNeato> nrc: exactly. And that extra 6 weeks end-to-end matters for developer happiness and to be able to move fast in the market
  1464. # [21:22] <nrc> I guess my experience may not be universal though...
  1465. # [21:22] <LegNeato> do we still use features pages in the wiki?
  1466. # [21:22] <nrc> agreed
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  1468. # [21:22] <philor> and we can always chemspill to fix the things that would otherwise be caught by people who are willing to use beta but not aurora
  1469. # [21:22] <Ms2ger> I guess I'm not such a fan of moving too fast
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  1472. # [21:23] <@smaug> LegNeato: did we ever use feature pages
  1473. # [21:23] <Archaeopteryx> LegNeato: https://wiki.mozilla.org/index.php?title=Features/Release_Tracking uses bugzilla keywords
  1474. # [21:23] * nrc cannot tell if philor is being sarcastic, errs on the side of probability and goes for 'yes'
  1475. # [21:23] <LegNeato> Ms2ger: it's been pretty impressive to see the benefits Facebook gets from moving fast
  1476. # [21:24] <Ms2ger> I hope you're not arguing for pushing twice a day ;)
  1477. # [21:24] <philor> nrc: if my fingers are moving... ;)
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  1479. # [21:24] <LegNeato> Ms2ger: our mobile apps ship every month and the website ships twice a day (with a full uplift from trunk every week)
  1480. # [21:24] <LegNeato> Archaeopteryx: excellent, thanks
  1481. # [21:24] <nrc> Facebook is not a good example - they move too fast - a lot of users get pissed off, but can't change due to network effect. Our users can change browser only too easily
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  1483. # [21:24] <nrc> philor :-)
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  1487. # [21:25] <nrc> ANyway, we should have easy access to stats about bugs fixed on Beta so it should be easy to see how useful the extra step is
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  1489. # [21:26] <Archaeopteryx> it's not only about bugs, but also about localization, final design etc.
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  1492. # [21:28] <nrc> yeah, I guess there is a lot to take into account
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  1496. # [21:30] <LegNeato> fucking comcast
  1497. # [21:30] <LegNeato> nrc: fair point, though 1) WhatsApp ships daily on Android 2) LinkedIn, twitter, and dropbox all ship their mobile apps once every 4 weeks
  1498. # [21:30] <LegNeato> the whole industry is going to faster ship cycles
  1499. # [21:30] <LegNeato> because while it i fast to break it is also fast to fix
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  1501. # [21:32] <nrc> I guess we could keep four stages, but go from 6 to 4 week cycles
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  1503. # [21:32] <nrc> 6 weeks feels right though - maybe just habit
  1504. # [21:33] <nrc> I would rather drop a stage, but I see that it is a tough thing to get right
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  1506. # [21:34] <LegNeato> nrc: yeah, I propose to the end user it is still 6 weeks between release, but for development is is 12 weeks end to end rather than 18 weeks end to end
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  1508. # [21:36] <@smaug> LegNeato: something like LinkedIn/Twitter/dropbox apps are quite a bit simpler than browsers
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  1511. # [21:36] <@smaug> no need to care about backwards compatibility the same way as browsers do
  1512. # [21:36] <LegNeato> smaug: ok, how about google's android services stuff...they ship that about every month :-P
  1513. # [21:37] <@smaug> they live in their own world
  1514. # [21:37] <@smaug> they own that world
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  1516. # [21:37] <@smaug> harder to own the web ;)
  1517. # [21:37] <LegNeato> true dat
  1518. # [21:38] <@smaug> I think Aurora phase could be shorter though
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  1520. # [21:39] <nrc> having different length phases would be complicated
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  1523. # [21:41] <@dbaron> I'd be fine with merging aurora/nightly... we'd just need to be a bit stricter about disabling things rather than taking fixes on beta (i.e., not treat beta like we treat aurora now)
  1524. # [21:41] <LegNeato> yep
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  1545. # [21:59] <bjacob> are talos numbers "higher is better" or "lower is better" ?
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  1547. # [22:00] <bjacob> froydnj: ^ ?
  1548. # [22:00] <philor> some of each
  1549. # [22:00] <nrc> bjacob: depends on the test
  1550. # [22:00] <bjacob> ouch
  1551. # [22:00] <bjacob> what about the 'canvasmark' tests?
  1552. # [22:01] <nrc> bjacob: higher is better
  1553. # [22:01] <bjacob> nrc: thanks!
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  1590. # [22:23] <firebot> http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/088897ae34f2 - Patrick McManus - bug 950768 - http/2-draft08 pref off r=hurley r=mcmanus
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  1695. # [23:49] <firebot> Check-in: http://hg.mozilla.org/integration/mozilla-inbound/rev/9ce81e47d4ab - Steve Singer - Bug 958803 - Add the new args to ExecuteSequentially in the non-ion path. r=shu
  1696. # [23:51] <nrc> so, |mach buildsymbols|, is it real or is it a joke?
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